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[00:54.160 --> 00:59.660] Today in History, the year 1918, British women over the age of 30 who meet minimum property [00:59.660 --> 01:04.660] qualifications get the right to vote when the representation of the People Act of 1918 [01:04.660 --> 01:09.660] was passed by Parliament. [01:09.660 --> 01:14.260] In recent news, several Texas-based organizations found a lawsuit today requesting that a federal [01:14.260 --> 01:19.020] court stop the state from flagging about 95,000 people as potentially illegally registered [01:19.020 --> 01:20.020] to vote. [01:20.020 --> 01:24.660] The lawsuit was compiled after an 11-month-long investigation by the Office of the Texas Secretary [01:24.660 --> 01:30.020] of State and the Texas Department of Public Safety which sought to identify non-U.S. citizens [01:30.020 --> 01:33.380] who were registered to vote when obtaining major average license. [01:33.380 --> 01:37.020] Over half of the 95,000 did indeed vote, it seems. [01:37.020 --> 01:41.100] However, further controversy was raised when it became clear that some of the names were [01:41.100 --> 01:45.260] not in fact belonging to those who were non-citizens and registered. [01:45.260 --> 01:50.860] Apparently around 25% of all Latino immigrants become naturalized, gaining the right to vote. [01:50.860 --> 01:55.260] Registered voters who receive letters querying their citizenship have 30 days to respond [01:55.260 --> 01:57.060] with proof of eligibility. [01:57.060 --> 02:01.260] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and David Whitley, the Texas Secretary of State, have [02:01.260 --> 02:09.020] yet to officially comment regarding this list and any updates pertaining to it. [02:09.020 --> 02:14.420] A Texas man of only 24 years old, William Brown, died from a severed artery in his neck after [02:14.420 --> 02:16.940] a vape pen exploded while he was using it. [02:16.940 --> 02:20.660] It apparently happened in the parking lot of the vape shop where he got it. [02:20.660 --> 02:24.260] An x-ray revealed that a piece of metal was embedded in his brainstem. [02:24.260 --> 02:30.460] The vape store, Smoke and Vape DZ, has refused to comment. [02:30.460 --> 02:35.220] First edition anchorwoman, Kristin Diaz, interviewed Aislin Campbell, the executive director of [02:35.220 --> 02:40.180] Grow Local, South Texas, concerning the upcoming Texas Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association [02:40.180 --> 02:44.620] Conference, which will be taking place at the Corpus Christi Omni Hotel from February [02:44.620 --> 02:47.460] 14th to 16th, 6 to 9 p.m. [02:47.460 --> 02:50.460] You can find the interview at kiiitv.com. [02:50.460 --> 03:19.460] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [03:20.460 --> 03:47.900] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [03:47.900 --> 04:17.740] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [04:17.740 --> 04:47.580] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [04:47.580 --> 05:06.540] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [05:17.580 --> 05:47.420] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [05:47.420 --> 06:17.260] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [06:17.260 --> 06:47.100] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [06:47.100 --> 07:16.940] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [07:16.940 --> 07:46.780] This is Rick Rodie with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019. [07:46.780 --> 07:52.940] I am so happy that Larry has won the prize this year because this is a prime example [07:52.940 --> 08:00.140] of somebody who has been with us from the beginning, and he is on a very limited budget, [08:00.140 --> 08:07.260] but he is so sweet and kind and faithful to make donations to us every month. [08:07.260 --> 08:13.340] He set himself up on some recurring donations, I think there's three of them he's got going [08:13.340 --> 08:20.940] on for about $5 or $10 a piece, and I know he can hardly afford it, but he ended up winning [08:20.940 --> 08:22.940] the prize. [08:22.940 --> 08:27.340] I just think that Larry is such an awesome example of somebody who's just been with us [08:27.340 --> 08:32.540] from the beginning, and he's used Randy's methods, and he gets a lot out of the radio [08:32.540 --> 08:39.580] show, and he has contributed back to us from what he can afford, and now we're here to [08:39.580 --> 08:43.580] give back to him, so congratulations Larry. [08:43.580 --> 08:46.780] Thank you, I appreciate it. [08:46.780 --> 08:53.660] Yes, we appreciate you, and this just goes to show folks that no donation is too small. [08:53.660 --> 08:59.300] It really does add up, I mean I know we have to have a couple thousand listeners at least, [08:59.300 --> 09:05.500] and that's lowballing it, that's just from the podcast that I can see just on a minimal [09:05.500 --> 09:08.300] basis, I know there's a lot more listeners than that. [09:08.300 --> 09:13.580] And if everyone would just donate like $5 a month, we would have no problems staying [09:13.580 --> 09:19.020] on the air and upgrading and getting ourselves on satellites and pursuing affiliate relations [09:19.020 --> 09:24.900] and getting on more FM stations and things like this, so folks never think that you can't [09:24.900 --> 09:29.700] help us, never think that you know, well what can a dollar do, what can $5 do? [09:29.700 --> 09:34.380] It really makes a big difference, especially if everyone pitches in. [09:34.380 --> 09:41.100] What I've seen in the past over the years is that most of our donation income that comes [09:41.100 --> 09:48.380] in comes from just a few people that are giving a lot, and I really, really appreciate that. [09:48.380 --> 09:54.380] Don't get me wrong, I am so thankful for these people who are so generous, but then at the [09:54.380 --> 09:59.020] same time I know that there's a lot of people out there that, you know, if everyone would [09:59.020 --> 10:03.460] pitch in just a little bit, it would make such a huge difference for us to be able to [10:03.460 --> 10:05.420] take things to the next level. [10:05.420 --> 10:08.340] So I just want to thank all the listeners out there, I want to thank Larry for doing [10:08.340 --> 10:13.100] what he can and setting such a great example for the rest of the listeners. [10:13.100 --> 10:16.420] And I want to just say a little bit about the drawing. [10:16.420 --> 10:22.820] We do not conduct the drawing ourselves, we use a third party service called random.org [10:22.820 --> 10:30.660] and I submit the list of entrance numbers, the number of times that you're entered in [10:30.660 --> 10:36.500] depends on, you know, how much you've donated, I add everything up to how much people have [10:36.500 --> 10:41.980] donated over the year and then I put your name in that number of times, you know, divided [10:41.980 --> 10:43.540] by the 25. [10:43.540 --> 10:50.220] And so anyways, I have no control over who wins, I can't just like hold multiple drawings [10:50.220 --> 10:53.780] until somebody's name comes up that I want to win or anything like that because it's [10:53.780 --> 10:59.940] all public and I just put it in and they are highly reputable, they are considered one [10:59.940 --> 11:06.820] of the most reputable, if not the most reputable, randomizing websites and casinos in the gaming [11:06.820 --> 11:10.380] industry all over the world uses their services. [11:10.380 --> 11:18.660] So that's random.org and I have a link to the public drawing on my website on LogosRadioNetwork.com [11:18.660 --> 11:25.220] and if you donated, you can go and look at the list, I have the identifiers are people's [11:25.220 --> 11:29.740] first name and then the initial of their last name. [11:29.740 --> 11:34.940] So it's anonymous but you know who you are and you can look up and see that your name [11:34.940 --> 11:39.980] was entered the appropriate number of times and if you find something in error just please [11:39.980 --> 11:44.580] let me know but I was very careful to go over the list many times to make sure it was accurate. [11:44.580 --> 11:49.220] So that's how we conduct the drawing so it's right there, you can look and see. [11:49.220 --> 11:55.020] And so Michael, do you want to speak with our winner about the prize that he is going [11:55.020 --> 11:56.020] to receive? [11:56.020 --> 12:04.780] Absolutely, you know, first of all I want to thank you for definitely donating and supporting [12:04.780 --> 12:07.060] the LogosRadioNetwork. [12:07.060 --> 12:15.180] You're going to get a Spikes Tactical AR-15 and what I'm going to do for you is I'm going [12:15.180 --> 12:22.860] to get you to pick what logo you actually want, you know, which type of Spikes Tactical [12:22.860 --> 12:27.980] and I'll give you, I'll touch bases with you offline and give you an opportunity to [12:27.980 --> 12:29.620] pick, you know, the different type of logos. [12:29.620 --> 12:35.860] We actually have the Snowflake which is a popular one, it's in color enough you're [12:35.860 --> 12:40.620] that familiar with Spikes Tactical at all but there are a lot of different types of [12:40.620 --> 12:48.020] logos they have out there, you have the Spider, you have the Jack and all the different kinds [12:48.020 --> 12:49.020] of things. [12:49.020 --> 12:53.140] I'm going to give you that opportunity to pick which one you want that we have in stock [12:53.140 --> 12:59.020] and then boom, you're going to have your nice, nice-owned AR-15 from Spikes Tactical. [12:59.020 --> 13:02.020] Well, great, thank you. [13:02.020 --> 13:07.700] Not a problem at all and then we're going to have to ship that sucker off via the Arizona [13:07.700 --> 13:08.700] Fisher in Arizona. [13:08.700 --> 13:16.700] And it doesn't matter, you know, you'll be able to pick it up. [13:16.700 --> 13:20.700] Are there any restrictions or conditions to shipping to Arizona? [13:20.700 --> 13:22.700] I know there were with some states. [13:22.700 --> 13:24.700] No, no, not Arizona. [13:24.700 --> 13:25.700] Arizona is fine. [13:25.700 --> 13:27.700] There were no big issues with Arizona. [13:27.700 --> 13:30.700] If it was somewhere else then you would definitely have some problems. [13:30.700 --> 13:34.700] If you were in Colorado that would probably be an issue, magazine capacity. [13:34.700 --> 13:40.700] If you were in California it would definitely be an issue but thankfully you're not in California. [13:40.700 --> 13:41.700] Yes. [13:41.700 --> 13:49.700] So, Larry, do you have any words you want to say to our listeners concerning your participation [13:49.700 --> 13:53.700] in Logos Radio Network over the years? [13:53.700 --> 13:59.700] I would just like to encourage people to make donations to the network. [13:59.700 --> 14:07.700] The network could help me out substantially and I obviously you told people that I do [14:07.700 --> 14:09.700] recurring payments. [14:09.700 --> 14:15.700] And it's, you know, people will just get on the site and like you say just a five or [14:15.700 --> 14:22.700] ten dollar a month donation but hit the recurring payment button and, you know, five dollars [14:22.700 --> 14:29.700] a month you're just giving up one cup of coffee a month or ten dollars is one fast food lunch [14:29.700 --> 14:30.700] a month. [14:30.700 --> 14:35.700] And it would really help up the network and the network has really helped me out. [14:35.700 --> 14:39.700] And it did help me with my traffic tickets. [14:39.700 --> 14:45.700] I've been in federal court for this is my fourth year of stewing a deputy and we're [14:45.700 --> 14:53.700] about to win that and writing the property tax and hopefully that's going well. [14:53.700 --> 15:01.700] So, it's definitely worth your time to listen to the show and that donation sure would be [15:01.700 --> 15:02.700] appropriate. [15:02.700 --> 15:08.700] Well, thank you Larry and I'm so glad to hear that we have been helpful as far as dealing [15:08.700 --> 15:12.700] with property tax issues and traffic tickets and things like that. [15:12.700 --> 15:16.700] So, you listen to Eddie's show as well as Randy's show here. [15:16.700 --> 15:17.700] Is that right? [15:17.700 --> 15:18.700] Yes. [15:18.700 --> 15:20.700] Yes, that's what I thought. [15:20.700 --> 15:26.700] Well, and I know you've called in quite a bit and given us reports and we do appreciate [15:26.700 --> 15:28.700] you being with us so long. [15:28.700 --> 15:33.700] Yeah, I just when I saw your name come up I was like, this is great. [15:33.700 --> 15:35.700] If anyone deserves it, it's you Larry. [15:35.700 --> 15:38.700] I'm really, really glad to see that you got it. [15:38.700 --> 15:41.700] Well, thank you Deb, I appreciate it. [15:41.700 --> 15:48.700] Yes, so Larry and Michael can talk offline about how the firearm will be transferred [15:48.700 --> 15:54.700] and just to make it clear folks, technically Logos Radio Network is not, we are not the [15:54.700 --> 15:56.700] ones transferring the firearm. [15:56.700 --> 16:01.700] We cannot by law, only a federal licensed firearm dealer can do that. [16:01.700 --> 16:07.700] So, the way this actually is working is we hold a drawing and it is our sponsor, Central [16:07.700 --> 16:11.700] Texas Gun Works, Michael Cargill is the owner. [16:11.700 --> 16:16.700] He is the one that is transferring the firearm to the winner and the winner has to go through [16:16.700 --> 16:18.700] the background check and all of that. [16:18.700 --> 16:22.700] This is not a private transfer or private sale or anything like that. [16:22.700 --> 16:27.700] So, the network, Randy and I, we are out of the loop on that. [16:27.700 --> 16:31.700] So, this is a 100% legal situation here. [16:31.700 --> 16:34.700] So, we want to thank our sponsor, Michael Cargill. [16:34.700 --> 16:35.700] We want to thank Larry. [16:35.700 --> 16:41.700] And when we get back, Michael is going to tell us some about the lawsuit that he is involved [16:41.700 --> 16:44.700] in, the lawsuit that he filed as plaintiff. [16:44.700 --> 16:48.700] So, we will be right back to discuss that with him on the other side. [16:48.700 --> 16:52.700] This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [16:52.700 --> 17:18.700] This is Logos Radio Network and we will be right back. [17:18.700 --> 17:44.700] Thank you. [17:44.700 --> 18:10.700] Thank you. [18:10.700 --> 18:36.700] Thank you. [18:36.700 --> 19:02.700] Thank you. [19:02.700 --> 19:30.700] Thank you. [19:30.700 --> 19:58.700] Thank you. [19:58.700 --> 20:09.700] Thank you. [20:09.700 --> 20:10.700] All right, folks. [20:10.700 --> 20:11.700] We are back. [20:11.700 --> 20:15.700] This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on tonight. [20:15.700 --> 20:21.700] This Thursday, the April 4th of 2019, we're here with our very special guest, our main [20:21.700 --> 20:25.700] sponsor, Mr. Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gun Works. [20:25.700 --> 20:30.700] If you haven't visited his shop and you live in Austin, please go by there. [20:30.700 --> 20:34.700] He's got some great deals for you and he also teaches classes. [20:34.700 --> 20:40.700] So, check it out and you can mail order from him also depending on where you are, depending [20:40.700 --> 20:42.700] on what you want to order. [20:42.700 --> 20:46.700] So, anyone can support our sponsor here. [20:46.700 --> 20:52.700] So, Michael, you were telling me the other day about a lawsuit that you filed. [20:52.700 --> 20:56.700] So, why don't you tell us about it? [20:56.700 --> 20:57.700] Oh, absolutely. [20:57.700 --> 21:01.700] And, Deborah, you know, I forgot to tell you about the what against the city of Austin. [21:01.700 --> 21:04.700] First, let me get into that one as well. [21:04.700 --> 21:11.700] So, we found, you remember, we found the lawsuit by way of the attorney general against the [21:11.700 --> 21:18.700] city of Austin because the city of Austin was refusing to allow licensed holders to carry [21:18.700 --> 21:24.700] handgun inside Austin City Hall, which is under the Texas law should be legal. [21:24.700 --> 21:31.700] And so, we found that, you know, that back in 2015, well, guess what, in January of this [21:31.700 --> 21:38.700] year, 2019, he went to court and I had to testify for about an hour on the stand and [21:38.700 --> 21:44.700] the judge ruled in my favor, he ruled that I was correct and the city of Austin is violating [21:44.700 --> 21:46.700] the Texas State Law. [21:46.700 --> 21:54.700] And this was a monumental ruin because this was a very liberal district judge in Travis [21:54.700 --> 21:59.700] County that ruled in my favor and said that, you know, the city of Austin is violating [21:59.700 --> 22:06.700] the law and they had to pay $9,000 fine and allow licensed holders to be able to carry [22:06.700 --> 22:10.700] in Austin City Hall. [22:10.700 --> 22:11.700] Wow. [22:11.700 --> 22:12.700] Yeah. [22:12.700 --> 22:15.700] And that was just, it was amazing. [22:15.700 --> 22:20.700] The city, apparently, is not even going to appeal, which is really no need because, [22:20.700 --> 22:27.700] you know, that's the first judge we went to on the district level, which is a very liberal [22:27.700 --> 22:33.700] judge in Travis County ruled, you know, in my favor, you know, toward the Second Amendment. [22:33.700 --> 22:37.700] So they clearly saw that, hey, you know, we made a very good case, there's no way out [22:37.700 --> 22:40.700] of it for the city of Austin and boom, we won. [22:40.700 --> 22:45.700] We had to pay $9,000 and we held gun owners inside the bill. [22:45.700 --> 22:47.700] So I was very happy about that. [22:47.700 --> 22:51.700] So now moving on to what I'm doing right now. [22:51.700 --> 22:55.700] Yeah, congratulations on that, by the way. [22:55.700 --> 22:57.700] Yes, I'm impressed. [22:57.700 --> 23:02.700] Just for the record, I never won one. [23:02.700 --> 23:09.700] They always throw me out of court and you go in there and clean their plows. [23:09.700 --> 23:10.700] Oh, yeah. [23:10.700 --> 23:15.700] Yeah, it was pretty amazing, you know, and they tried to shake me up on the stand and [23:15.700 --> 23:19.700] ask me different things, try to put me in a corner, but, you know, there's one thing [23:19.700 --> 23:24.700] I know and I know gun laws and so there's really no way you're going to, you know, put [23:24.700 --> 23:28.700] me against the wall and stick me in a corner and try to trick me when it comes to the Second [23:28.700 --> 23:33.700] Amendment because that's one thing I'm just very well versed on. [23:33.700 --> 23:36.700] So we came out good, you know, I listened to my attorney. [23:36.700 --> 23:41.700] And in the end, my attorney said, hey, you know, he said, he was really grateful. [23:41.700 --> 23:45.700] He said, I was a great witness on the stand, you know, but I did exactly what he needs [23:45.700 --> 23:46.700] me to do on the stand. [23:46.700 --> 23:49.700] And so I encourage everyone, listen to your attorney. [23:49.700 --> 23:53.700] You should stop the attorney and then just listen to them. [23:53.700 --> 23:55.700] And I said, that was great. [23:55.700 --> 23:59.700] And now, man, we're, you know, we don't stop. [23:59.700 --> 24:03.700] We don't take a break because that was in January and now here we are. [24:03.700 --> 24:12.700] It's April and we filed a huge lawsuit at the end of March against the federal government. [24:12.700 --> 24:17.700] So I got with an organization who's a nonprofit organization. [24:17.700 --> 24:23.700] I'll tell you the name of that organization here in a second and filed a lawsuit against [24:23.700 --> 24:31.700] the Department of Justice and also the head of that department and also the ATF, the Bureau [24:31.700 --> 24:35.700] of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and also the head of that department. [24:35.700 --> 24:43.700] So we filed a lawsuit against them in federal court, in Austin, in Texas, against the bump [24:43.700 --> 24:49.700] stock ban because it's really not about bump stocks. [24:49.700 --> 24:55.700] You know, honestly, when it comes to bump stocks, it's a very unstable device. [24:55.700 --> 25:02.700] It was, the device in the first place was really designed for wounded veterans or wounded [25:02.700 --> 25:04.700] individuals to be able to shoot again. [25:04.700 --> 25:06.700] That was the purpose of bump stock. [25:06.700 --> 25:09.700] But so it's really not about that. [25:09.700 --> 25:16.700] It's really about the federal government has said that there's something that you purchase [25:16.700 --> 25:27.700] legally is now illegal, they confiscated or they made you turn it in, you know, pretty [25:27.700 --> 25:29.700] much and that will destroy it. [25:29.700 --> 25:31.700] And that's something that we just cannot stand for. [25:31.700 --> 25:33.700] I can't stand for something like that on my watch. [25:33.700 --> 25:36.700] You're telling me something that I legally purchased. [25:36.700 --> 25:42.700] With my money, you're going to destroy it, you know, or, you know, I have to destroy it [25:42.700 --> 25:46.700] or you're going to turn it in, I have to turn it in and you're not going to pay me for it. [25:46.700 --> 25:49.700] And so that was something that I just couldn't stomach. [25:49.700 --> 25:54.700] You know, I had to do something about it because I had bump stocks and when the ban came around, [25:54.700 --> 26:00.700] you know, this was announced last year that the Trump administration was going to ban bump stocks. [26:00.700 --> 26:04.700] And this was something that the ATF said was legal. [26:04.700 --> 26:09.700] This was legalized, bump stocks were legalized on the Obama administration. [26:09.700 --> 26:14.700] And now here we are with the Trump administration, you know, speed forward a little bit. [26:14.700 --> 26:16.700] Now they're saying, hey, well, you know what? [26:16.700 --> 26:21.700] What was legal, we're not going to make it illegal and you're going to turn them in [26:21.700 --> 26:26.700] or destroy them and if you don't, then you're a felon. [26:26.700 --> 26:29.700] And there's no, we're not going to pay you any money for it. [26:29.700 --> 26:33.700] There's no grandfather clause or anything like that whatsoever. [26:33.700 --> 26:38.700] And so we just realized that, you know, we've got to do something about this. [26:38.700 --> 26:40.700] I just couldn't let it happen on my watch. [26:40.700 --> 26:47.700] So we thought the lawsuit in federal court in Austin and Texas and we're going to see how all that plays out. [26:47.700 --> 26:49.700] Well, now Michael... [26:49.700 --> 26:54.700] So Michael, okay, what is number one? [26:54.700 --> 26:56.700] I got two questions. [26:56.700 --> 26:58.700] What is the reason? [26:58.700 --> 27:03.700] Are they even giving a reason for this bump stock ban? [27:03.700 --> 27:09.700] And number two, what is your cause of action of your lawsuit? [27:09.700 --> 27:10.700] Right. [27:10.700 --> 27:15.700] So the purpose of the bump stock ban really came about because of the shooting in Las Vegas [27:15.700 --> 27:24.700] because that individual there allegedly used a bump stock to carry out, you know, that heinous crime, you know, [27:24.700 --> 27:31.700] which that's a whole other story in itself, whether you did or you didn't. [27:31.700 --> 27:37.700] So because of that, they're saying, hey, you know, bump stocks have got to go. [27:37.700 --> 27:49.700] And what we're saying is we're saying a department of our federal government does not have the authority to write law. [27:49.700 --> 28:01.700] That is set aside, that is for Congress to create and write law for the, you know, that goes through the House and the Senate and then for the President to sign it into law. [28:01.700 --> 28:03.700] That's not up to the Department of Justice. [28:03.700 --> 28:12.700] That's not up to the ATF to say that something that was legal is now illegal and you're going to be a felon if you don't turn it in. [28:12.700 --> 28:16.700] That's now how our Constitution works. [28:16.700 --> 28:23.700] This sounds like it borders on expo facto law. [28:23.700 --> 28:25.700] Oh, absolutely. [28:25.700 --> 28:35.700] Well, yeah, and Michael, what kind of, I mean, I know that the ATF, there are some kind of regulatory bureaucracy. [28:35.700 --> 28:46.700] What kind of, I mean, how much discretion do they have to, you know, come up with regulations, a regulatory scheme? [28:46.700 --> 28:55.700] Because I mean, I guess Congress can't regulate, you know, they can't legislate every tiny, you know, regulation. [28:55.700 --> 29:02.700] So these regulatory entities like the EPA and, you know, entities like that, they have to have some type of the SEC. [29:02.700 --> 29:09.700] They have to have some type of discretion as far as being able to come up with a regulatory scheme. [29:09.700 --> 29:17.700] So are you saying that they have exceeded the scope of their delegated authority by enacting this regulation? [29:17.700 --> 29:22.700] I mean, how much leeway do they have to come up with regulations? [29:22.700 --> 29:23.700] Oh, absolutely. [29:23.700 --> 29:26.700] We're saying, hey, they have no authority whatsoever. [29:26.700 --> 29:34.700] You know, this is, that power is reserved for Congress, and, you know, Congress alone says, hey, you know. [29:34.700 --> 29:48.700] That was triggering either a treason or a sedition to prevent the execution of a law is sedition. [29:48.700 --> 29:50.700] Okay, well, we're about to go to break, folks. [29:50.700 --> 29:52.700] So we'll talk about this some more on the other side. [29:52.700 --> 29:53.700] This is the rule of law. [29:53.700 --> 29:56.700] Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, we're here with Michael Cargill. [29:56.700 --> 29:58.700] Central Texas Gun Works. We'll be right back. [30:02.700 --> 30:08.700] PowerPoint is crept into our lives and reached the level of near obsession in corporate America. [30:08.700 --> 30:10.700] Are we going overboard with it? [30:10.700 --> 30:11.700] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. [30:11.700 --> 30:15.700] Back with a commentary on how PowerPoint erodes critical thinking. [30:15.700 --> 30:16.700] Next. [30:16.700 --> 30:19.700] Privacy is under attack. [30:19.700 --> 30:22.700] When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again. 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[32:50.700 --> 32:56.700] That's 512-992-8745 or hillcountryhomeimprovements.com. [32:56.700 --> 32:58.700] Discounts are based on full roof replacement. [32:58.700 --> 33:01.700] I mean, I actually be kidding about chemtrails. [33:01.700 --> 33:07.700] Live, free speech radio, LogosRadioNetwork.com. [33:31.700 --> 33:46.700] All right, this is a perfect intro, Bumper. When are you going to stop abusing your power, ATF? [33:46.700 --> 33:51.700] All of these regulatory agencies, they always seem to abuse their power. [33:51.700 --> 33:54.700] And this is a prime example of this bump stock ban. [33:54.700 --> 34:02.700] So we spoke with Michael a little bit on the break about this, and we're going to talk about this some more now that we're back on the air. [34:02.700 --> 34:17.700] The ATF, they have some delegated authority to enact regulation and to basically interpret and enforce the law that is enacted by Congress. [34:17.700 --> 34:27.700] So for example, there is legislation in place by Congress that says that machine guns are banned, okay, fully automatic. [34:27.700 --> 34:31.700] Like, you hold the trigger down and it repeatedly, continuously fires. [34:31.700 --> 34:33.700] That's fully auto machine gun. [34:33.700 --> 34:46.700] And so the ATF, according to Michael, what he was just saying is that the ATF has the authority to decide and define what exactly a machine gun is. [34:46.700 --> 34:53.700] According to technical specifications, the Congress doesn't lay that out in law. [34:53.700 --> 34:54.700] That's the ATF's job. [34:54.700 --> 35:06.700] And so at one point during the Obama administration, the ATF decided that a bump stock does not turn a standard rifle into a machine gun. [35:06.700 --> 35:09.700] But now they're saying it does. [35:09.700 --> 35:13.700] And that seems like a big contradiction to me. [35:13.700 --> 35:20.700] And it also seems like they're overstepping their statutory authority that's been delegated to them. [35:20.700 --> 35:30.700] Because now, like Michael and Randy are saying, now they're legislating from within a regulatory bureaucracy. [35:30.700 --> 35:33.700] They don't have authority to do that. [35:33.700 --> 35:41.700] And also they've already laid out in their own regulatory scheme a definition of what a machine gun is. [35:41.700 --> 35:45.700] And fully auto, hold down the trigger, it repeatedly fires. [35:45.700 --> 35:52.700] And so there's a big contradiction there, because how does a bump stock turn a rifle into a machine gun? [35:52.700 --> 35:59.700] It doesn't enable a rifle to most repeatedly fire by holding down the trigger. [35:59.700 --> 36:01.700] So what's up with that? [36:01.700 --> 36:03.700] That doesn't seem proper to me. [36:03.700 --> 36:05.700] This is expo fact. [36:05.700 --> 36:10.700] You know, automobiles now have to meet certain conditions. [36:10.700 --> 36:18.700] You can't manufacture and sell an automobile now the way you could 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. [36:18.700 --> 36:21.700] 50 years ago they didn't have seatbelts. [36:21.700 --> 36:24.700] But you can still drive those cars, they're still legal. [36:24.700 --> 36:27.700] Because they were legal when they were produced. [36:27.700 --> 36:31.700] When these people purchased these bump stocks, they were legal. [36:31.700 --> 36:34.700] To now make them illegal, that's expo fact. [36:34.700 --> 36:39.700] And that's banned by the Constitution for business. [36:39.700 --> 36:43.700] That's my story in a second. [36:43.700 --> 36:46.700] And you're absolutely correct, you know. [36:46.700 --> 36:52.700] Because I want people to understand, first of all, how machine guns or pressures, [36:52.700 --> 36:57.700] NFA items, National Firearms Act items, how do you get your hands on one of those? [36:57.700 --> 37:01.700] There is a way that you, as a regular citizen, can own a machine gun. [37:01.700 --> 37:04.700] You know, absolutely you can do that. [37:04.700 --> 37:09.700] The way it's done is you go through the NFA process. [37:09.700 --> 37:13.700] So what you're going to do is you're going to identify the machine gun that you want. [37:13.700 --> 37:15.700] You find it online, someone's selling one. [37:15.700 --> 37:21.700] You're then, that machine gun will most likely, if it's out of state, [37:21.700 --> 37:24.700] will get shipped to another gun store, get transferred to a gun store. [37:24.700 --> 37:26.700] You're going to throw out some paperwork. [37:26.700 --> 37:32.700] You're going to take your photo, you're going to take some fingerprints. [37:32.700 --> 37:36.700] You're going to pay a $200 tax stamp fee, a tax. [37:36.700 --> 37:40.700] And then you're going to turn that paperwork into the HDF. [37:40.700 --> 37:44.700] They're going to approve you, which takes about 10 months for them to do this. [37:44.700 --> 37:52.700] Once they approve you, then, you know, you're able to possess that machine gun, [37:52.700 --> 37:57.700] that suppressor, or whatever NFA item, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotgun. [37:57.700 --> 37:59.700] You know, so there's a process for that. [37:59.700 --> 38:06.700] And basically what I've done is I'm trying to stop our federal government [38:06.700 --> 38:08.700] from overstepping their bounds. [38:08.700 --> 38:15.700] So I filed a lawsuit against William Barr, who happens to be the attorney general of the United States. [38:15.700 --> 38:18.700] I also filed a lawsuit against the United States Department of Justice. [38:18.700 --> 38:24.700] And I also filed a lawsuit against Thomas Brandon, who is the acting director [38:24.700 --> 38:30.700] for the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco and Firearms, the ATF, and also suing the ATF themselves. [38:30.700 --> 38:38.700] And basically our complaint says this, the U.S. Constitution best all legislative powers [38:38.700 --> 38:45.700] in the Congress and directs that the president shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. [38:45.700 --> 38:50.700] And so that's something to really remember, you know, in the back of your head there, [38:50.700 --> 38:54.700] the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco and Firearms explosives, [38:54.700 --> 39:01.700] they have basically violated this basic principle by issuing the bump stock type devices final rule. [39:01.700 --> 39:07.700] Contrary to statutory language enacted by Congress and signed by the president [39:07.700 --> 39:12.700] and circumvented congressional efforts to revise that language, [39:12.700 --> 39:20.700] this rule is scheduled to make hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding Americans into felons [39:20.700 --> 39:25.700] in defiance of constitutional restraints on executive power. [39:25.700 --> 39:31.700] Now whatever the merits of each, you know, of such policy, whatever the merits are, [39:31.700 --> 39:39.700] the final rule violates the fundamental constitutional order and thus cannot be tolerated. [39:39.700 --> 39:44.700] So I've come forward, you know, just like hundreds of thousands of other fellow Americans [39:44.700 --> 39:49.700] and basically, you know, I purchased a bump stock, you know, I had several of them. [39:49.700 --> 39:54.700] And so now, and this was with the ATFs, you know, with their approval. [39:54.700 --> 39:56.700] So this was actually legal. [39:56.700 --> 40:00.700] And even though the law written by Congress has not changed, [40:00.700 --> 40:05.700] the Department of Justice has ordered me and all owners of bump stocks to destroy [40:05.700 --> 40:12.700] or surrender our devices for face criminal prosecution. [40:12.700 --> 40:18.700] Now to make matters worse, since the final rule has come under attack in various lawsuits [40:18.700 --> 40:24.700] found across the country, what we've done is we've taken the position that the rule [40:24.700 --> 40:31.700] is not a final rule at all, but a mere, just a mere interpretation of the statues [40:31.700 --> 40:41.700] that make machine guns illegal and that bump stocks devices have been illegal machine guns since 1934 [40:41.700 --> 40:45.700] when the National Farms Act was first enacted. [40:45.700 --> 40:50.700] Consequently, what we're saying is that, hey, many thousands of other law-binding Americans [40:50.700 --> 40:59.700] have now been declared to have been violating a criminal statue for the entire time they have owned bump stocks. [40:59.700 --> 41:04.700] Now the Constitution does not permit such law making by executive fear, [41:04.700 --> 41:10.700] and the enforcement of this rule must be permanently enjoined, is basically what we're saying. [41:10.700 --> 41:19.700] And it should be noted that we essentially fought a revolution to prevent precisely that, [41:19.700 --> 41:26.700] because the king at the time would pass laws to make what people had been doing illegal [41:26.700 --> 41:32.700] and then prosecute them. That was the expo factor prohibition. [41:32.700 --> 41:35.700] We thought I had a revolution for this. [41:35.700 --> 41:40.700] And so what I have is, everything came about really quick. [41:40.700 --> 41:47.700] I got a phone call, you know, one day I announced this on my radio show that we needed help in Texas. [41:47.700 --> 41:51.700] We needed help because there are thousands of people in Texas that have bump stocks, [41:51.700 --> 41:56.700] and they're going to have to turn them in, destroy them, or face, you know, prosecution. [41:56.700 --> 41:58.700] And so we did it some assistance here. [41:58.700 --> 42:04.700] And so I called out to anyone that was out there that was listening within, you know, the sound of my voice, [42:04.700 --> 42:08.700] you know, to give me your help, because we're on the siege here. [42:08.700 --> 42:13.700] And so what happened was I had this organization responding within a matter of hours. [42:13.700 --> 42:18.700] The New Civil Liberties Alliance stepped up to the plate and they said, you know what, [42:18.700 --> 42:23.700] mind you, the NRA, there's nothing from the NRA except crickets. [42:23.700 --> 42:30.700] There's nothing from the Texas Rightful Association. [42:30.700 --> 42:35.700] Nothing from them at all except the New Civil Liberties Alliance came forward. [42:35.700 --> 42:38.700] They said, Michael, we're going to help you out. [42:38.700 --> 42:40.700] We have the funding to do this. [42:40.700 --> 42:43.700] And if it takes us going, you know, all the way up to the Supreme Court, [42:43.700 --> 42:49.700] then we're going to stand behind you and we're going to represent you and take this case all the way to the top [42:49.700 --> 42:53.700] as long as it takes and as far as it goes. [42:53.700 --> 42:55.700] That's awesome, Michael. [42:55.700 --> 43:02.700] And do you know if there's other firearms dealers or gun owners that are suing over this? [43:02.700 --> 43:04.700] Yes, there's several lawsuits. [43:04.700 --> 43:05.700] We have gun owners for America. [43:05.700 --> 43:07.700] It has a lawsuit that's going on right now. [43:07.700 --> 43:13.700] The New Civil Liberties Alliance is also representing the client out of Utah. [43:13.700 --> 43:15.700] At the same time, they're representing me. [43:15.700 --> 43:21.700] But the way our courts work and the way our appeals courts work is looking like, [43:21.700 --> 43:24.700] you know, I don't like to anticipate anything. [43:24.700 --> 43:25.700] I don't like to say the wrong thing. [43:25.700 --> 43:31.700] But I think we have better chance in Texas because of the route where we're going, [43:31.700 --> 43:36.700] you know, to be more successful than any other case that has been brought forward. [43:36.700 --> 43:41.700] Well, it looks like this could turn into a class action lawsuit because certainly, [43:41.700 --> 43:45.700] like you say, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people that have Bumsock. [43:45.700 --> 43:47.700] I mean, that's a class. [43:47.700 --> 43:51.700] Deborah, Deborah, you had a company that's based right in Texas. 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[45:51.700 --> 46:01.700] Please visit ruleoflawradio.com and click on the banner or call toll-free 866-LAW-EZ. [46:01.700 --> 46:13.700] Okay, folks, we are back. [46:13.700 --> 46:16.700] This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens. [46:16.700 --> 46:19.700] It's Thursday, April 4th, 2019. [46:19.700 --> 46:23.700] We're here with a very special guest and sponsor, Michael Cargill. [46:23.700 --> 46:25.700] He's also a host on this network. [46:25.700 --> 46:28.700] He does the show Come and Talk It. [46:28.700 --> 46:30.700] I love the title. [46:30.700 --> 46:33.700] Great content there too, so check it out. [46:33.700 --> 46:36.700] You can check it out on his website, Come and Talk It. [46:36.700 --> 46:40.700] All right, so Michael, what we were discussing before we went to break, [46:40.700 --> 46:45.700] I was saying this could potentially turn into a class action lawsuit [46:45.700 --> 46:51.700] if people would come forward because surely there are hundreds of thousands of people, [46:51.700 --> 46:55.700] at least, that have these devices, these bump stocks. [46:55.700 --> 47:01.700] You were starting to say some dealer that they were going to have to destroy 60,000 of them, [47:01.700 --> 47:02.700] or something. [47:02.700 --> 47:03.700] What were you saying about this? [47:03.700 --> 47:10.700] Yeah, we had a dealer, RW Arms, that based here in Texas in Fort Worth, [47:10.700 --> 47:14.700] and they actually had to destroy 60,000 bump stocks. [47:14.700 --> 47:16.700] They were just a dealer. [47:16.700 --> 47:18.700] They were actually the manufacturers. [47:18.700 --> 47:25.700] So they transferred, I guess they took ownership of it from the other company that was doing it originally, [47:25.700 --> 47:28.700] and so they started distributing them out. [47:28.700 --> 47:32.700] And yeah, when this ban came out, on Monday of last week, [47:32.700 --> 47:36.700] they had to destroy 60,000 bump stocks and take them to the landfill. [47:36.700 --> 47:38.700] APS stood by and watched them destroyed. [47:38.700 --> 47:42.700] They were only able to keep a pallet full of bump stocks. [47:42.700 --> 47:47.700] So literally in Texas, we just lost thousands of dollars. [47:47.700 --> 47:51.700] I can't believe they let them keep any. [47:51.700 --> 48:00.700] Did the suit not include a restraining order? [48:00.700 --> 48:07.700] I think the timing is everything, because this ban came about kind of quick. [48:07.700 --> 48:12.700] When the notice went out, it was during the holidays, the federal government went on that. [48:12.700 --> 48:17.700] We had that, the federal government was stall there during the Christmas time, remember that. [48:17.700 --> 48:20.700] So I think everyone really forgot. [48:20.700 --> 48:24.700] Right, yeah, the government was shut down, and we pretty much forgotten. [48:24.700 --> 48:27.700] It came up really quick, and March rolled around, and we were like, [48:27.700 --> 48:30.700] oh my goodness, whoa, the bump stock ban is going to go into effect. [48:30.700 --> 48:31.700] What do we do? [48:31.700 --> 48:38.700] And so luckily, I was able to find someone that stepped forward, the new civil liberties alliance, [48:38.700 --> 48:42.700] and said, hey, we can help you out with this microcard. [48:42.700 --> 48:44.700] We can help the people in Texas out. [48:44.700 --> 48:48.700] And even though they're people that may have had these, don't want the government to know they have them, [48:48.700 --> 48:52.700] we need someone to step forward who's willing to put themselves on the line. [48:52.700 --> 48:54.700] And so I decided to do that. [48:54.700 --> 48:58.700] I said, hey, well, I'll put myself out there, and I'll stand up and fight for Texas, [48:58.700 --> 49:06.700] and I'll fight for America. [49:06.700 --> 49:13.700] Yeah, and you were starting to tell us on the break about the legal team that's involved with this. [49:13.700 --> 49:15.700] Yes, so we have an awesome legal team. [49:15.700 --> 49:18.700] We have, man, they're great. [49:18.700 --> 49:21.700] We have attorneys who are judges. [49:21.700 --> 49:27.700] We have attorneys that actually were law clerks for Supreme Court justice. [49:27.700 --> 49:30.700] The team was a law clerk for Supreme Court justice Scalia. [49:30.700 --> 49:32.700] So our attorneys are actually really great. [49:32.700 --> 49:34.700] I'm really impressed by these attorneys. [49:34.700 --> 49:40.700] I'm really impressed by them because they drew up this lawsuit in the matter of hours. [49:40.700 --> 49:41.700] And it's flawless. [49:41.700 --> 49:43.700] No mistakes whatsoever. [49:43.700 --> 49:45.700] That's amazing in hours. [49:45.700 --> 49:52.700] You know, we're talking about a lawsuit that we're planning on taking all the way to the Supreme Court. [49:52.700 --> 50:00.700] And the way that stuff works is they filed two separate cases, one in Utah, here, and one in Texas. [50:00.700 --> 50:07.700] And so you get a response in Utah, you get a response in Texas, and you get two different responses from the appeals court, [50:07.700 --> 50:13.700] and then, boom, you set yourself up to go to the Supreme Court. [50:13.700 --> 50:17.700] Did they file those suits as state suits? [50:17.700 --> 50:19.700] I'm sorry, that's a stupid question. [50:19.700 --> 50:20.700] Yeah, this is federal. [50:20.700 --> 50:21.700] Right. [50:21.700 --> 50:22.700] Correct. [50:22.700 --> 50:26.700] Yeah, that has to be federal. [50:26.700 --> 50:28.700] I think they have 21 days. [50:28.700 --> 50:33.700] They're Monday after the 20th day. [50:33.700 --> 50:39.700] Yeah, so this will be, it'll be sometime at the end of April when they'll have to respond and we'll see what happens. [50:39.700 --> 50:44.700] And now I can remind everyone again that this is not about box office. [50:44.700 --> 50:50.700] You know, it's about the Constitution providing and providing rules for our government. [50:50.700 --> 50:58.700] You know, Congress writes those laws, the executive branch enforces them, and the judiciary independently interprets them. [50:58.700 --> 51:08.700] But this case threatens to consolidate all three functions into a single administrative agency, which is the ACF. [51:08.700 --> 51:19.700] And it really, what it does, it contravenes both the laws written by Congress and prior judicial interpretations of those laws. [51:19.700 --> 51:22.700] And so we're trying to get that in the bud. [51:22.700 --> 51:27.700] Well, and also they need to be held to their own standards. [51:27.700 --> 51:38.700] I mean, if they're there to enact a regulatory scheme that is in compliance with the statute, then that's what they need to be doing. [51:38.700 --> 51:43.700] And they need to be held to some level of consistency. [51:43.700 --> 51:53.700] Because if they've already defined what a machine gun is and you look at a bump stock and when it's, you know, combined with a rifle, [51:53.700 --> 52:02.700] does that fit the technical definition that the ACF has already put in the print of what a machine gun is? [52:02.700 --> 52:07.700] And if it doesn't, then they need to be called to the carpet on that. [52:07.700 --> 52:19.700] They just have 100% leeway of capriciousness to just say anytime, anyplace, anything is now a machine gun. [52:19.700 --> 52:24.700] Well, I mean, they could say, well, now a six-shooter revolver is a machine gun. [52:24.700 --> 52:28.700] I mean, they could say anything is a machine gun if we let them get away with this. [52:28.700 --> 52:29.700] Okay. [52:29.700 --> 52:35.700] If they're going to put into print some definition of what a machine gun is, they need to be held to that. [52:35.700 --> 52:41.700] So that they're not just really nilly just saying this, that, and the other is a machine gun. [52:41.700 --> 52:53.700] I mean, do y'all have anything concerning that in the lawsuit about being held to some level, some standard of consistency in their regulatory scheme? [52:53.700 --> 52:54.700] Oh, yes. [52:54.700 --> 52:57.700] You know, it talks about, you know, the definition of a machine gun. [52:57.700 --> 53:01.700] It talks about, you know, all of that, you know, in limiting. [53:01.700 --> 53:12.700] What we're trying to do is really rein in what's happening with different agencies and departments of different federal government, of our federal government. [53:12.700 --> 53:20.700] You know, they think that they have the authority to walk into your house and let's say you have, I don't care what it is, a dildo. [53:20.700 --> 53:21.700] It doesn't matter what it is. [53:21.700 --> 53:25.700] They can walk into your house and say, you know what, that is now banned. [53:25.700 --> 53:32.700] And even though you purchased it legally, it, you know, because those have actually killed more people than Buffstocks have. [53:32.700 --> 53:38.700] And so we're going to ban them and we're going to, you know, make you turn them in and we're not going to reimburse you. [53:38.700 --> 53:40.700] It doesn't matter what it is. [53:40.700 --> 53:49.700] If you can do this, this part, this piece of a firearm that you can do is do any item that's in your house. [53:49.700 --> 53:56.700] The federal government in D.C. can name any item in your home and say that it's now illegal because we say so. [53:56.700 --> 53:58.700] And we're going to ban it. [53:58.700 --> 54:00.700] You have to turn it in, destroy it. [54:00.700 --> 54:02.700] We're not going to give you money for it. [54:02.700 --> 54:03.700] And there's no way. [54:03.700 --> 54:10.700] Every year in this country, more people are killed by hammers than guns. [54:10.700 --> 54:11.700] Yeah. [54:11.700 --> 54:18.700] And Michael, can you please, just for the listeners out there that don't know what a Buffstock does, can you please tell us what it is and what it does? [54:18.700 --> 54:27.700] Richard, really what it does is it uses the pressure of the gun firing, you know, because there's recoil. [54:27.700 --> 54:31.700] And when you pull the trigger and the gun discharges, there's going to be recoil from that. [54:31.700 --> 54:38.700] It uses that recoil to actually go back forward and actually fire the gun again. [54:38.700 --> 54:41.700] And so there are a lot of different devices that you can use for that. [54:41.700 --> 54:47.700] You can use a binary trigger, you know, which do kind of the same thing. [54:47.700 --> 54:50.700] And you'll get the same kind of results. [54:50.700 --> 54:57.700] But those binary triggers, Buffstock, none of those devices there are actually machine guns. [54:57.700 --> 55:04.700] And so, yeah, it's really hard to, you know, to explain. [55:04.700 --> 55:14.700] Well, if you win this lawsuit, I'd like to see a Buffstock be put up as one of the prizes right next year. [55:14.700 --> 55:15.700] I know. [55:15.700 --> 55:22.700] And honestly, I wish we'd have done it last year, but by the time it's time to give it away, we'll have to turn it in. [55:22.700 --> 55:24.700] Yeah, I know. [55:24.700 --> 55:26.700] Right, right. [55:26.700 --> 55:31.700] Well, it may be that you'll be able to give one away next year. [55:31.700 --> 55:34.700] And if you can, it'll be because you did it. [55:34.700 --> 55:41.700] Now, in listening to this, you know, because of where I live, [55:41.700 --> 55:50.700] I'm thinking that the director of the ATF has exerted or purported to certain authority does not express they have. [55:50.700 --> 56:03.700] And in the process, denied every citizen in the state of Texas or every citizen who has or would potentially want to own a Buffstock, [56:03.700 --> 56:06.700] they've denied them full free access to enjoying the right. [56:06.700 --> 56:10.700] And that's crime in every state and in the Fed. [56:10.700 --> 56:15.700] Have you considered that aspect? [56:15.700 --> 56:17.700] One more time, Randy? [56:17.700 --> 56:19.700] Okay. [56:19.700 --> 56:23.700] If the public official exerts or purports to exert an authority, he does not expressly have. [56:23.700 --> 56:27.700] And in the process, denied a citizen full free access to enjoying the right. [56:27.700 --> 56:31.700] That's the class A Mr. Mayor in the Fed and in every state. [56:31.700 --> 56:38.700] I just went to the local court here in Tennessee and they wouldn't let me go in the courtroom with my cell phone. [56:38.700 --> 56:43.700] And I said, hey, hey, hey, I need that cell phone because I want to record the proceedings. [56:43.700 --> 56:45.700] And the bailiff said, oh, you can't record the proceedings. [56:45.700 --> 56:46.700] That's a sure thing. [56:46.700 --> 56:49.700] I just point the cell phone at him and it'll record everything. [56:49.700 --> 56:52.700] Oh, no, you're not allowed to record the proceedings. [56:52.700 --> 56:54.700] So I had to take you down and put it in my car. [56:54.700 --> 56:57.700] I come back and they had the courtroom locked. [56:57.700 --> 56:58.700] Right. [56:58.700 --> 57:00.700] I said, you're going to open that. [57:00.700 --> 57:02.700] And he said, oh, no, the judge said I had to lock it. [57:02.700 --> 57:07.700] So I just filed two criminal charges against the bailiff. [57:07.700 --> 57:17.700] We're trying to focus just a little bit and stick to really what it is, what's happening, [57:17.700 --> 57:21.700] and also the scope of who has the authority to do what. [57:21.700 --> 57:22.700] Ted Scott. [57:22.700 --> 57:27.700] Do y'all have an injunction request as part of the lawsuit? [57:27.700 --> 57:28.700] Yes. [57:28.700 --> 57:29.700] Good. [57:29.700 --> 57:30.700] Good. [57:30.700 --> 57:31.700] Yeah. [57:31.700 --> 57:32.700] Yeah. [57:32.700 --> 57:38.700] Did they ask for an emergency restraining order because if they did, the court could have [57:38.700 --> 57:39.700] signed it. [57:39.700 --> 57:40.700] Yes. [57:40.700 --> 57:41.700] And here's what happened. [57:41.700 --> 57:48.700] The lawsuit that was filed in Utah was filed a lot sooner than mine was. [57:48.700 --> 57:54.700] And so they were able to get an injunction, kind of like a, the guy in Utah, he's able [57:54.700 --> 57:56.700] to hold on to his bump stock. [57:56.700 --> 58:02.700] But in the timeframe that I filed mine, because I filed mine, the date that it went into effect, [58:02.700 --> 58:05.700] there was no time, you know, to get that injunction. [58:05.700 --> 58:06.700] Oh, yeah. [58:06.700 --> 58:07.700] Yeah. [58:07.700 --> 58:08.700] Okay. [58:08.700 --> 58:12.700] They couldn't file an injunction against the enforcement. [58:12.700 --> 58:13.700] Yeah. [58:13.700 --> 58:15.700] There would be no reason they couldn't. [58:15.700 --> 58:16.700] Yeah. [58:16.700 --> 58:18.700] You can't get anything that quick, you know. [58:18.700 --> 58:22.700] And so, you know, and our, and our filing, just so you know, it's 38 pages. [58:22.700 --> 58:29.700] There's 38 pages of, you know, strictly hard for facts. [58:29.700 --> 58:31.700] There's no fluff. [58:31.700 --> 58:34.700] There are no, you know, we're not trying to put any stories in there. [58:34.700 --> 58:36.700] We're sticking straight to the facts. [58:36.700 --> 58:40.700] 38 pages of solid, of solid case that we're going to do. [58:40.700 --> 58:41.700] All right. [58:41.700 --> 58:43.700] Well, Michael, listen, we're at the top of the hour. [58:43.700 --> 58:45.700] So we're about to go off the air. [58:45.700 --> 58:47.700] You can, you can finish up on the other side. [58:47.700 --> 58:49.700] We'll be right back, folks. [58:49.700 --> 58:56.700] We'll be right back. [59:19.700 --> 59:26.700] We'll be right back. [59:49.700 --> 59:56.700] We'll be right back. [01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:23.700] Markets for Wednesday, the 6th of February, 2019. [01:00:23.700 --> 01:00:27.700] Open with gold at $1,313.70 an ounce. [01:00:27.700 --> 01:00:29.700] Silver, $15.77 an ounce. [01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:31.700] Copper, $2.83 an ounce. [01:00:31.700 --> 01:00:34.700] Oil, Texas Crude, $3.66 a barrel. [01:00:34.700 --> 01:00:37.700] Brent Crude, $61.98 a barrel. [01:00:37.700 --> 01:00:39.700] And cryptos in order of market capitalization. [01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:42.700] Bitcoin, $3,401.64. [01:00:42.700 --> 01:00:44.700] Ripple, XRP, 29 cents. [01:00:44.700 --> 01:00:47.700] Ethereum, $103.10. [01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:54.700] And cryptos is at $2.32 of crypto coin. [01:00:54.700 --> 01:00:58.700] To date in history, the year 1918, British women over the age of 30 [01:00:58.700 --> 01:01:01.700] who meet minimum property qualifications get the right to vote [01:01:01.700 --> 01:01:04.700] when the Representation of the People Act of 1918 [01:01:04.700 --> 01:01:06.700] was passed by Parliament. [01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:09.700] To date in history. [01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:12.700] In recent news, several Texas-based organizations [01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:14.700] filed a lawsuit today requesting that a federal court [01:01:14.700 --> 01:01:17.700] stop the state from flagging about 95,000 people [01:01:17.700 --> 01:01:19.700] as potentially illegally registered to vote. [01:01:19.700 --> 01:01:22.700] The list was compiled after an 11-month-long investigation [01:01:22.700 --> 01:01:25.700] by the Office of the Texas Secretary of State [01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:27.700] and the Texas Department of Public Safety, [01:01:27.700 --> 01:01:31.700] which sought to identify non-U.S. citizens who were registered to vote [01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:33.700] when obtaining age orders license. [01:01:33.700 --> 01:01:36.700] Over half of the 95,000 didn't indeed vote, it seems. [01:01:36.700 --> 01:01:39.700] However, further controversy was raised when it became clear [01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:42.700] that some of the names were not in fact belonging to those [01:01:42.700 --> 01:01:44.700] who were non-citizens and registered. [01:01:44.700 --> 01:01:47.700] Apparently, around 25% of all Latino immigrants [01:01:47.700 --> 01:01:50.700] become naturalized, gaining the right to vote. [01:01:50.700 --> 01:01:52.700] Registered voters who receive letters [01:01:52.700 --> 01:01:54.700] querying their citizenship have 30 days to respond [01:01:54.700 --> 01:01:56.700] with proof of eligibility. [01:01:56.700 --> 01:01:58.700] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and David Whitley, [01:01:58.700 --> 01:02:00.700] the Texas Secretary of State, [01:02:00.700 --> 01:02:03.700] have yet to officially comment regarding this list [01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:05.700] and any updates pertaining to it. [01:02:08.700 --> 01:02:11.700] A Texas man of only 24 years old, William Brown, [01:02:11.700 --> 01:02:13.700] died from a severed artery in his neck [01:02:13.700 --> 01:02:16.700] after a vape pen exploded while he was using it. [01:02:16.700 --> 01:02:19.700] It apparently happened in the parking lot of the vape shop [01:02:19.700 --> 01:02:20.700] where he got it. [01:02:20.700 --> 01:02:22.700] An X-ray revealed that a piece of metal was embedded [01:02:22.700 --> 01:02:23.700] in his brainstem. [01:02:23.700 --> 01:02:27.700] The vape store, Smoke and Vape DZ, has refused to comment. [01:02:29.700 --> 01:02:31.700] First edition anchorwoman, Kristen Diaz, [01:02:31.700 --> 01:02:33.700] interviewed Aislin Campbell, [01:02:33.700 --> 01:02:36.700] the executive director of Grow Local, South Texas, [01:02:36.700 --> 01:02:38.700] concerning the upcoming Texas Organic Farmers [01:02:38.700 --> 01:02:40.700] and Gardeners Association Conference, [01:02:40.700 --> 01:02:43.700] which will be taking place at the Corpus Christi Omni Hotel [01:02:43.700 --> 01:02:46.700] from February 14th to 16th, 6 to 9 p.m. [01:02:46.700 --> 01:02:50.700] You can find the interview at kiiitv.com. [01:02:52.700 --> 01:02:54.700] This was Rick Rodey with your lowdown [01:02:54.700 --> 01:03:21.700] for February 6th, 2019. [01:03:24.700 --> 01:03:34.700] Okay, folks, we are back. [01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:37.700] This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens [01:03:37.700 --> 01:03:41.700] here on this Thursday, April 4th, 2019. [01:03:41.700 --> 01:03:44.700] We're here with our very special guest and sponsor, [01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:47.700] Mr. Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gun Works. [01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:51.700] He just presented the prize from last year's fundraiser [01:03:51.700 --> 01:03:55.700] to our winner, Larry, in Arizona. [01:03:55.700 --> 01:03:59.700] And now Michael is talking about his lawsuit. [01:03:59.700 --> 01:04:02.700] So, Michael, you wanted to get a little bit further into this [01:04:02.700 --> 01:04:04.700] with some technicals about the definitions [01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:07.700] of a bump stock and machine gun. [01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:11.700] So, let's hear what the inconsistencies are. [01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:13.700] All right. [01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:16.700] Basically, when it comes to bump firing and bump stock, [01:04:16.700 --> 01:04:20.700] what it's doing is you're using that recall, [01:04:20.700 --> 01:04:23.700] like I said earlier, of the gun firing [01:04:23.700 --> 01:04:28.700] to actually make it fire again is all you're doing. [01:04:28.700 --> 01:04:30.700] When it comes to a machine gun, [01:04:30.700 --> 01:04:32.700] the machine gun's going to be a little different. [01:04:32.700 --> 01:04:35.700] So, a machine gun basically means, and this is the definition, [01:04:35.700 --> 01:04:38.700] it means a weapon which is designed to shoot [01:04:38.700 --> 01:04:40.700] or can be readily restored to shoot [01:04:40.700 --> 01:04:43.700] automatically more than one shot [01:04:43.700 --> 01:04:47.700] without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger [01:04:47.700 --> 01:04:50.700] and the term shall also include the frame or the receiver [01:04:50.700 --> 01:04:53.700] of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely [01:04:53.700 --> 01:04:56.700] and exclusively in combination of parts designed and intended [01:04:56.700 --> 01:04:59.700] for the use in converting the weapon into a machine gun. [01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:04.700] Now, when it comes to a bump stock, you're not pulling the trigger. [01:05:04.700 --> 01:05:08.700] You know, you're just using that recall, [01:05:08.700 --> 01:05:11.700] something that every gun uses, every gun does [01:05:11.700 --> 01:05:13.700] to actually fire that next shot. [01:05:13.700 --> 01:05:16.700] And it's really unstable when you fire the bump stock. [01:05:16.700 --> 01:05:20.700] Your accuracy, you're compromising when it comes to accuracy. [01:05:20.700 --> 01:05:23.700] Machine gun, if you use a machine gun, an actual machine gun, [01:05:23.700 --> 01:05:25.700] you can actually shoot a lot better with a machine gun [01:05:25.700 --> 01:05:28.700] than you can with using a bump stock. [01:05:28.700 --> 01:05:32.700] And so, I said that, I say that to say this, [01:05:32.700 --> 01:05:36.700] if the guy in Las Vegas would have used a machine gun, [01:05:36.700 --> 01:05:39.700] he probably would have been able to kill a lot more people [01:05:39.700 --> 01:05:43.700] than using a bump stock. [01:05:43.700 --> 01:05:47.700] And that's a sad thing to say, but those are the facts [01:05:47.700 --> 01:05:50.700] because it's just an unstable piece of device. [01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:55.700] It was devices that was designed only to help wounded veterans [01:05:55.700 --> 01:05:58.700] who were coming back from Afghanistan or Iraq [01:05:58.700 --> 01:06:00.700] to be able to fire again. [01:06:00.700 --> 01:06:02.700] That was the purpose for it. [01:06:02.700 --> 01:06:06.700] So it's just an unstable device there. [01:06:06.700 --> 01:06:10.700] So what we're doing is we're saying, hey, I'm sorry, go ahead, Randy. [01:06:10.700 --> 01:06:16.700] I have a question. Does the ATF have the authority [01:06:16.700 --> 01:06:19.700] to make these determinations? [01:06:19.700 --> 01:06:21.700] Is that your issue? [01:06:21.700 --> 01:06:24.700] Are you saying they can't make this determination? [01:06:24.700 --> 01:06:28.700] Or are you saying they can't make this determination [01:06:28.700 --> 01:06:30.700] expofacto? [01:06:30.700 --> 01:06:34.700] Would they be able to make this determination [01:06:34.700 --> 01:06:38.700] and say you can't do this in the future? [01:06:38.700 --> 01:06:42.700] But not be able to say what's already out is legal. [01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:48.700] I'm trying to find where the actual issue before the court is going to be. [01:06:48.700 --> 01:06:54.700] Well, the ATF has initially, like I said back during the Obama Administration, [01:06:54.700 --> 01:07:00.700] that these devices did not turn a semi-automatic rifle into a machine gun. [01:07:00.700 --> 01:07:02.700] They made that determination. [01:07:02.700 --> 01:07:05.700] They did their whole big study. [01:07:05.700 --> 01:07:10.700] They got the device in, researched it, and all that stuff. [01:07:10.700 --> 01:07:15.700] And now they just basically come back now and totally do a flip-flop and says, hey, [01:07:15.700 --> 01:07:18.700] and like I said, consistently before then, [01:07:18.700 --> 01:07:23.700] they determined that bomb stocks, including slide fire, weren't machined up. [01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:25.700] They want to make that clear. [01:07:25.700 --> 01:07:30.700] And so now they're just because this Administration here wants to ban this device [01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:36.700] by the wave of a wand, they're saying, you know what, we changed our mind. [01:07:36.700 --> 01:07:39.700] It does turn into a machine gun and it's now banned. [01:07:39.700 --> 01:07:42.700] And we're saying that you can't do that. [01:07:42.700 --> 01:07:47.700] You can't take something that is legal, you can't take something that is legal, [01:07:47.700 --> 01:07:50.700] and then determine that it's illegal. [01:07:50.700 --> 01:07:55.700] In order for you to do that, that takes Congress. [01:07:55.700 --> 01:08:04.700] Well, that's what I'm wondering specifically what the extent of the discretion [01:08:04.700 --> 01:08:11.700] that is given legislatively to the ATF. [01:08:11.700 --> 01:08:19.700] Do they legislatively have the discretion to determine that something at one time [01:08:19.700 --> 01:08:25.700] did not appear to be something that would be illegal, [01:08:25.700 --> 01:08:30.700] or something did not appear to be a machine gun, [01:08:30.700 --> 01:08:34.700] but determined later that it, they believed it actually was. [01:08:34.700 --> 01:08:45.700] I'm not arguing the merits, but is that within the discretion of the agency? [01:08:45.700 --> 01:08:53.700] Well, what we're going to do is, because I want to get in too many detail, [01:08:53.700 --> 01:08:58.700] and I don't want to tip our hand to the other side at all about what we're trying to do. [01:08:58.700 --> 01:09:03.700] But I do think we have a very strong case. [01:09:03.700 --> 01:09:05.700] I have no doubts about that. [01:09:05.700 --> 01:09:11.700] I have no doubt about the fact that we can definitely get this decision from the Supreme Court. [01:09:11.700 --> 01:09:14.700] I have no doubt about that at all. [01:09:14.700 --> 01:09:17.700] And we're going to be successful. [01:09:17.700 --> 01:09:21.700] Okay, I wasn't trying to undermine your issue. [01:09:21.700 --> 01:09:23.700] Oh, no, you're not. [01:09:23.700 --> 01:09:32.700] What they're doing, the fact that they're making what is already legal illegal, [01:09:32.700 --> 01:09:38.700] that's the part I see no chance they can do that. [01:09:38.700 --> 01:09:42.700] They might be able to ban them in the future, but what's already out here? [01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:47.700] There's no way they can get there. [01:09:47.700 --> 01:09:53.700] Well, you guys, they're going to tell you, they are trying. [01:09:53.700 --> 01:10:00.700] And I'm seriously considering filing criminal charges against the director just for yucks. [01:10:00.700 --> 01:10:04.700] There are two places to appeal these issues. [01:10:04.700 --> 01:10:08.700] You could appeal it to the court of appeals if you lose it in the trial court, [01:10:08.700 --> 01:10:12.700] but you can also appeal to a grand jury. [01:10:12.700 --> 01:10:18.700] Our public officials are given an authority and a discretion. [01:10:18.700 --> 01:10:25.700] If they exceed that, and in the process deny a citizen phone for access to or drawing a right, that's a crime. [01:10:25.700 --> 01:10:33.700] In Texas, if a police officer or anyone prominently displaying a deadly weapon, [01:10:33.700 --> 01:10:39.700] exerts an authority, does not express what they have in the process, denies a citizen in a right, [01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:44.700] that borders on 2202 B2A Texas Pen Code. [01:10:44.700 --> 01:10:48.700] If he does that while he's prominently displaying a deadly weapon, [01:10:48.700 --> 01:10:54.700] our legislature has said that is a felony of the first degree. [01:10:54.700 --> 01:10:58.700] That is a really, really big deal. [01:10:58.700 --> 01:11:08.700] And in my opinion, for a director of an agency to knowingly and blatantly exert a purport to exert an authority he does not expressly have, [01:11:08.700 --> 01:11:20.700] he needs to explain that to a grand jury of my peers, not his peers, and not some bought and paid for federal judge. [01:11:20.700 --> 01:11:30.700] Our legislature, our founders put that grand jury in place for that purpose, and that is the best use for them. [01:11:30.700 --> 01:11:39.700] So, just for yucks, I filed against the director for exerting an authority he doesn't have, [01:11:39.700 --> 01:11:46.700] send that to the SAC in Dallas, Special Agent Charge, or the Special Agent Charge in Austin. [01:11:46.700 --> 01:11:51.700] I've already done it to Dallas. I filed criminal charges against Judge McBride, [01:11:51.700 --> 01:11:56.700] the federal judge, and for a worth, that was a hoot. [01:11:56.700 --> 01:12:04.700] But if a federal official is made known in any way that another federal official has violated a law relating to his office, [01:12:04.700 --> 01:12:09.700] he is required to report that crime to the Attorney General. [01:12:09.700 --> 01:12:12.700] It gets real interesting real fast. [01:12:12.700 --> 01:12:17.700] The funny thing is the Constitution does not allow lawmaking by shortcut. [01:12:17.700 --> 01:12:19.700] Exactly. [01:12:19.700 --> 01:12:25.700] New criminal laws must be passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law by the President. [01:12:25.700 --> 01:12:27.700] And that didn't happen here. [01:12:27.700 --> 01:12:33.700] And if the courts permit the Attorney General to get away with passing this rule, [01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:37.700] which turned half a million Americans into felons, like I said before, overnight, [01:12:37.700 --> 01:12:44.700] then nothing will stop or roll the Attorney General from, you know, from turning millions more law biases than the felons in the future. [01:12:44.700 --> 01:12:50.700] That is exactly why the legislature passed the Ku Klux Klan Act. [01:12:50.700 --> 01:12:59.700] It was precisely that kind of behavior after the Civil War that they passed the Ku Klux Klan Act to prevent. [01:12:59.700 --> 01:13:08.700] And the Ku Klux Klan Act has been codified into law under 42 U.S. Code 1983, but that's the second half. [01:13:08.700 --> 01:13:12.700] The first half was codified into 18 U.S. Code 242. [01:13:12.700 --> 01:13:15.700] That one makes it a crime. [01:13:15.700 --> 01:13:19.700] Civil parts secondary to the criminal part. [01:13:19.700 --> 01:13:21.700] We have Ted Scarlett. [01:13:21.700 --> 01:13:24.700] He was going to call in to notice online. [01:13:24.700 --> 01:13:29.700] He finally started filing criminal charges, and now these guys are dancing. [01:13:29.700 --> 01:13:31.700] They've been after him several years. [01:13:31.700 --> 01:13:37.700] But once he started filing criminal, all of a sudden this got real serious. [01:13:37.700 --> 01:13:43.700] Just like the tobacco industry, the government sued him three times, lost all three times because he had a lot of money. [01:13:43.700 --> 01:13:48.700] Fourth time they sued him, they sued him under RICO. [01:13:48.700 --> 01:13:55.700] Oh, hold on guys, all of a sudden these executives said, wait a minute, wait a minute, we can wind up going to jail. [01:13:55.700 --> 01:13:59.700] Then they came to the table and made the deal. [01:13:59.700 --> 01:14:01.700] Just a thought. [01:14:01.700 --> 01:14:04.700] Well, Randy, also I thought of something else too. [01:14:04.700 --> 01:14:14.700] I mean, since we're talking about official misconduct, public servants overstepping the scope of their authority, [01:14:14.700 --> 01:14:18.700] that goes to civil rights violations. [01:14:18.700 --> 01:14:27.700] It seems like there would be a clear cause of action for a Title 42 Section 1983 suit. [01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:31.700] That would give anyone who owns a bump stock. [01:14:31.700 --> 01:14:33.700] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [01:14:33.700 --> 01:14:48.700] Yeah, whether they have been sanctioned or not by the agency placing them under threat of sanction, that would give them standing. [01:14:48.700 --> 01:14:51.700] And here's another thought that I had too, Randy. [01:14:51.700 --> 01:14:58.700] You know, addressing your question, I don't know what the answer to the question is, but my thought was this. [01:14:58.700 --> 01:15:15.700] If the ATF does have some discretionary authority to change their mind later on down the line where at first their technical analysis was that a bump stock does not turn a rifle into a machine gun, [01:15:15.700 --> 01:15:28.700] but now they believe it does, if there was thorough technical analysis published the first time around where they showed no, it does not. [01:15:28.700 --> 01:15:31.700] But now they're saying, yes, it does. [01:15:31.700 --> 01:15:50.700] I would think that they certainly would be held to some sort of standard that they would have to publish some really strong technical research to show why they believe it now does and that it would have to be consistent with current definitions. [01:15:50.700 --> 01:15:52.700] You know what I mean? [01:15:52.700 --> 01:15:55.700] Otherwise, it's just pure capriciousness. [01:15:55.700 --> 01:16:03.700] Or that something has changed from the original determination till now that would warrant the change in the rules. [01:16:03.700 --> 01:16:04.700] Right. [01:16:04.700 --> 01:16:15.700] Or that the design of a bump stock has changed or that something in statute has changed so that it falls under, you know, a different definition now. [01:16:15.700 --> 01:16:18.700] I mean, they would have to show something has changed. [01:16:18.700 --> 01:16:33.700] Otherwise, it's pure capriciousness and they can't just, it cannot possibly be the fact that they have pure capriciousness to just decide willy-nilly what is, you know, this is a machine gun now. [01:16:33.700 --> 01:16:36.700] You know, I mean, that can't be the case. [01:16:36.700 --> 01:16:42.700] That clearly would be overstepping the bounds of their, the scope of their authority. [01:16:42.700 --> 01:16:49.700] The law cannot turn on the political wins. [01:16:49.700 --> 01:16:50.700] Hang on. 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[01:22:06.700 --> 01:22:35.700] Now, I go to the logosradionetwork.com and I click on the link on the top right-hand side. [01:22:35.700 --> 01:23:04.700] Now, I go to the logosradionetwork.com and I click on the link on the top right-hand side. [01:23:04.700 --> 01:23:31.700] Now, I go to the logosradionetwork.com and I click on the link on the top right-hand side. [01:23:31.700 --> 01:23:42.700] This is a declaratory judgment suit. So, they're not asking for damages, they're asking for the court to declare the rights of the parties. [01:23:42.700 --> 01:23:55.700] Since they're not asking for damages, there is zero immunity. So, they made sure this thing didn't get bumped on immunity issues. [01:23:55.700 --> 01:24:01.700] So, that was our question on the break, was it a declaratory judgment or a damage suit? [01:24:01.700 --> 01:24:07.700] It's been my strategy, is you do a declaratory judgment first. [01:24:07.700 --> 01:24:14.700] If you do a damage suit first, you get a Rule 12B6 motion to dismiss a state of claim which the court can be had, [01:24:14.700 --> 01:24:22.700] and the federal judge, if it's politically inexpedient, he can just kick it out capriciously. [01:24:22.700 --> 01:24:26.700] But these lawyers filed a declaratory judgment suit. [01:24:26.700 --> 01:24:37.700] I had Judge McBride in Fort Worth dismiss my petition for declaratory judgment for failure to state of claim which the court can be had. [01:24:37.700 --> 01:24:40.700] This declaratory judgment suit doesn't have any claims. [01:24:40.700 --> 01:24:43.700] So, I went straight to the FBI and asked them to arrest him. [01:24:43.700 --> 01:24:52.700] Well, that was great fun, but these lawyers know what they're doing. So, this suit will stick. [01:24:52.700 --> 01:24:55.700] It will certainly be interesting to see how this thing plays out. [01:24:55.700 --> 01:25:00.700] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Randy, I'm looking at the suit right now. Michael just sent it to me. [01:25:00.700 --> 01:25:10.700] It definitely is a declaratory judgment suit. It says so, and these lawyers are really good because I'm looking at this paragraph 248 here, [01:25:10.700 --> 01:25:16.700] and it goes to exactly where I was thinking that it should go to the capriciousness. [01:25:16.700 --> 01:25:24.700] It says, defendant's current interpretation of the relevant statute is arbitrary, capricious, and abuse of discretion, [01:25:24.700 --> 01:25:33.700] and otherwise not in accordance with law, and therefore is invalid under 5 U.S.C. section 706, paragraph 2A. [01:25:33.700 --> 01:25:40.700] Okay, that is perfect. That is perfect right there. This does go to arbitrary and capriciousness. [01:25:40.700 --> 01:25:48.700] They cannot do that. The BATF has authority to enact a regulatory scheme. [01:25:48.700 --> 01:25:51.700] Okay, that's what they're there to do, and they're there to enforce statute. [01:25:51.700 --> 01:25:56.700] They're there to define what a machine gun is. They're there to define technicals, [01:25:56.700 --> 01:26:03.700] just like the FCC is there to enact a regulatory scheme and define technicals concerning radio. [01:26:03.700 --> 01:26:11.700] What is the technicals of FM and AM and these sorts of things? Congress doesn't define that, right? [01:26:11.700 --> 01:26:16.700] But they can't just be arbitrary and capricious with their rulemaking and their enforcement. [01:26:16.700 --> 01:26:23.700] They have to fall within a scope of authority, and they have to be consistent with their own definitions and their own rules. [01:26:23.700 --> 01:26:26.700] So, yeah, this is perfect. This is great. [01:26:26.700 --> 01:26:35.700] I call Michael. And I'm thinking about this. Your suit may be way more profound than just ATF. [01:26:35.700 --> 01:26:39.700] You are asking exactly the right question. [01:26:39.700 --> 01:26:46.700] In any agency, you're likely to get a really big fight on this one, [01:26:46.700 --> 01:26:52.700] because what this is likely to do is hamstring every agency. [01:26:52.700 --> 01:26:57.700] The ATF overstepped their bounds and did something ignorant. [01:26:57.700 --> 01:27:05.700] Something really stupid, because apparently they thought it was politically expedient at the time, [01:27:05.700 --> 01:27:10.700] and this could bite them in the butt big time. [01:27:10.700 --> 01:27:17.700] If the court takes this serious, they could hamstring every agency [01:27:17.700 --> 01:27:24.700] so that an agency can't just do what's politically expedient for the moment. [01:27:24.700 --> 01:27:28.700] This could be a precedent-setting case. [01:27:28.700 --> 01:27:32.700] This is a fantastic statute. Listen to this, Randy. Let me read this to you. [01:27:32.700 --> 01:27:39.700] This is 5 U.S.C. Section 7062. This is the statute that they are suing under. [01:27:39.700 --> 01:27:47.700] It says, to the extent necessary to decision when presented, the reviewing court shall decide all relevant questions of law, [01:27:47.700 --> 01:27:58.700] interpret constitutional and statutory provisions, and determine the meaning or applicability of the terms of an agency action. [01:27:58.700 --> 01:28:00.700] What they've done is an agency action. [01:28:00.700 --> 01:28:09.700] The reviewing court shall, one, compel agency action unlawfully, withheld, or unreasonably delayed, [01:28:09.700 --> 01:28:20.700] and, two, hold unlawful and set aside agency action, finding, and conclusions found to be a, arbitrary, capricious, [01:28:20.700 --> 01:28:24.700] and abusive discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law, [01:28:24.700 --> 01:28:32.700] B, contrary to constitutional right, power, privilege, or immunity, C, in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, [01:28:32.700 --> 01:28:41.700] or short of statutory right, D, without observance of procedure required by law, E, unsupported by substantial evidence, [01:28:41.700 --> 01:28:44.700] in a case subject to other sections, blah, blah, blah. [01:28:44.700 --> 01:28:53.700] F, warranted by the facts to the extent that the facts are subject to trial de novo by the reviewing court. [01:28:53.700 --> 01:29:00.700] By making the foregoing determinations, the court shall review the whole record, or those parts of it sided by a party, [01:29:00.700 --> 01:29:05.700] and due account shall be taken of the rule of prejudicial error. [01:29:05.700 --> 01:29:07.700] Okay, so, yes, scope of review. [01:29:07.700 --> 01:29:21.700] The court absolutely has jurisdiction and authority to say, hey, bureaucratic agency, you guys are being capricious. [01:29:21.700 --> 01:29:25.700] In arbitrary, you cannot do that. This is perfect. [01:29:25.700 --> 01:29:30.700] This is an issue that I talk about quite a bit. [01:29:30.700 --> 01:29:40.700] You have to be careful of the question you ask, so that you don't get an answer you don't want to have. [01:29:40.700 --> 01:29:52.700] And government agencies, they have to be mindful, not just of the political winds, but of the potential fallout of their behavior. 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[01:33:02.700 --> 01:33:13.700] You are listening to the Logos Radio Network. LogosRadioNetwork.com. [01:33:13.700 --> 01:33:14.700] Yeah, who do you want to check with? [01:33:14.700 --> 01:33:15.700] Who do you think you are? [01:33:15.700 --> 01:33:16.700] We don't need to check with you. [01:33:16.700 --> 01:33:17.700] We don't want to check with you. [01:33:17.700 --> 01:33:18.700] We don't need to check with you. [01:33:18.700 --> 01:33:19.700] You can't check with me. [01:33:19.700 --> 01:33:21.700] I'm a fat dog. [01:33:21.700 --> 01:33:23.700] Okay, folks, we are back. [01:33:23.700 --> 01:33:26.700] This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [01:33:26.700 --> 01:33:32.700] We're here with our very special guest and our sponsor, Michael Cargill of Central Texas Gun Works, [01:33:32.700 --> 01:33:35.700] and I just want to read a couple things out of this suit. [01:33:35.700 --> 01:33:40.700] As it turns out, it's more than just a definition in the regulatory scheme. [01:33:40.700 --> 01:33:43.700] The definition of machine gun is set out in statute. [01:33:43.700 --> 01:33:49.700] I'm just going to read just a few lines here because our guest has to go, but it says here, [01:33:49.700 --> 01:33:58.700] okay, the statutory definition of machine gun is set out in the National Firearms Act at 26 USC 5845B. [01:33:58.700 --> 01:34:02.700] And it says the final rule, this is the bump shock rule, what they're referring to, [01:34:02.700 --> 01:34:06.700] which was issued by the ATF and signed by the Attorney General, [01:34:06.700 --> 01:34:14.700] purports to rewrite the definition of machine gun as set out in 26 USC 5845. [01:34:14.700 --> 01:34:20.700] The final rule attempts to incorporate this rewritten definition by reference in the GCA. [01:34:20.700 --> 01:34:31.700] The final rule was issued under the Attorney General's claimed authority under 18 USC 926A and 26 USC 7801 and 7805. [01:34:31.700 --> 01:34:41.700] The Attorney General has no substantive rulemaking authority related to the NFA under 26 USC 7805. [01:34:41.700 --> 01:34:48.700] The Secretary of the Treasury has substantive rulemaking authority related to the NFA. [01:34:48.700 --> 01:34:52.700] The Secretary of the Treasury has not approved the final rule. [01:34:52.700 --> 01:34:58.700] The Attorney General's rulemaking authority cannot operate to rewrite a separate statute [01:34:58.700 --> 01:35:02.700] under which the Attorney General has no substantive rulemaking authority. [01:35:02.700 --> 01:35:10.700] Okay, so this suit is saying clearly they have overstepped their statutory authority that has been delegated to them. [01:35:10.700 --> 01:35:13.700] It's very clear and they absolutely have. [01:35:13.700 --> 01:35:15.700] They cannot rewrite statute. [01:35:15.700 --> 01:35:17.700] Okay, they just can't. [01:35:17.700 --> 01:35:22.700] And I find it odd here that the Secretary of Treasury can somehow intervene in this, [01:35:22.700 --> 01:35:26.700] but notice Secretary of Treasury has not. [01:35:26.700 --> 01:35:29.700] And I doubt that will happen. [01:35:29.700 --> 01:35:31.700] They're not going to want to step in this. [01:35:31.700 --> 01:35:35.700] He's probably done it for cover. [01:35:35.700 --> 01:35:37.700] I'm sorry, go ahead, Michael. [01:35:37.700 --> 01:35:40.700] Yeah, and under our constitutional system, you know, Congress makes the laws. [01:35:40.700 --> 01:35:42.700] I want everyone to remember that. [01:35:42.700 --> 01:35:44.700] And it's not the Department of Justice. [01:35:44.700 --> 01:35:46.700] It's not the ATF. [01:35:46.700 --> 01:35:50.700] And Congress did not, you know, they have not banned, you know, they've banned machine guns, [01:35:50.700 --> 01:35:52.700] but they have not banned bump stocks. [01:35:52.700 --> 01:35:58.700] And so agencies like the Department of Justice and ATF can't just assume the power to rewrite the law. [01:35:58.700 --> 01:35:59.700] Right. [01:35:59.700 --> 01:36:02.700] The constitutional system of separation of powers and checks and balances will be gone. [01:36:02.700 --> 01:36:06.700] And so I want people to continue to support us at Central Texas Gun Works. [01:36:06.700 --> 01:36:11.700] You don't have to be in Austin, you know, to buy something from Central Texas Gun Works. [01:36:11.700 --> 01:36:13.700] You can do it on our website. [01:36:13.700 --> 01:36:19.700] We can, and then ship it to the gun store in your state, in your city. [01:36:19.700 --> 01:36:21.700] And you can pick it up inside the gun store. [01:36:21.700 --> 01:36:22.700] Do the background check there. [01:36:22.700 --> 01:36:24.700] We have great prices on our website. [01:36:24.700 --> 01:36:26.700] So definitely check us out there. [01:36:26.700 --> 01:36:31.700] And if you're ever in Austin, you know, come on by and see us and just say hi, [01:36:31.700 --> 01:36:34.700] because we're continuing to give up the good fight. [01:36:34.700 --> 01:36:38.700] We're going to take this fight here all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. [01:36:38.700 --> 01:36:42.700] So definitely, you know, continue to support us so we can continue the fight. [01:36:42.700 --> 01:36:45.700] And I think you have a really good shot at this, Michael. [01:36:45.700 --> 01:36:46.700] I think this is a fantastic suit. [01:36:46.700 --> 01:36:48.700] I think the lawyers are great. [01:36:48.700 --> 01:36:53.700] If people want to contribute and donate to the cause, what should they do? [01:36:53.700 --> 01:37:02.700] Should they send donations to you or should they send donations to this nonprofit group that is running the case for you? [01:37:02.700 --> 01:37:04.700] What can people do to help? [01:37:04.700 --> 01:37:05.700] Right. [01:37:05.700 --> 01:37:09.700] If you want to do donations, you do them to the New Civil Liberties Alliance. [01:37:09.700 --> 01:37:14.700] You can go to ncla.legal. [01:37:14.700 --> 01:37:19.700] I don't know their web address, but if you Google New Civil Liberties Alliance, [01:37:19.700 --> 01:37:20.700] you'll be able to find them. [01:37:20.700 --> 01:37:21.700] You can donate there. [01:37:21.700 --> 01:37:26.700] And then to support us so we can continue on different fights, including this fight, [01:37:26.700 --> 01:37:29.700] you can just simply buy something from our website. [01:37:29.700 --> 01:37:30.700] Yeah, please do. [01:37:30.700 --> 01:37:33.700] Please support our sponsor, and he's also a host on this network. [01:37:33.700 --> 01:37:34.700] Great show. [01:37:34.700 --> 01:37:35.700] Come and talk it. [01:37:35.700 --> 01:37:44.700] So, Michael, you said on the break you're going to be helping us out with another prize for a fundraiser this year. [01:37:44.700 --> 01:37:48.700] If you haven't decided what that's going to be yet, you don't have to announce it, [01:37:48.700 --> 01:37:52.700] but we really do appreciate you supporting us, Michael. [01:37:52.700 --> 01:37:53.700] Absolutely. [01:37:53.700 --> 01:37:55.700] Yeah, we're definitely going to do another firearm this year as well. [01:37:55.700 --> 01:37:56.700] Okay. [01:37:56.700 --> 01:37:59.700] Well, then I will get the fundraiser going. [01:37:59.700 --> 01:38:03.700] I'll get the announcement going, and thank you so much for joining us. [01:38:03.700 --> 01:38:06.700] Any final words, Michael? [01:38:06.700 --> 01:38:10.700] As always, more gun equals less crime. [01:38:10.700 --> 01:38:12.700] That's why you buy yourself a gun. [01:38:12.700 --> 01:38:14.700] More guns equal less crime. [01:38:14.700 --> 01:38:20.700] Go out and buy yourself a gun from Central Texas Gun Works. [01:38:20.700 --> 01:38:21.700] All right. [01:38:21.700 --> 01:38:24.700] Thank you so much, Michael, for joining us tonight. [01:38:24.700 --> 01:38:25.700] Thank you. [01:38:25.700 --> 01:38:26.700] Good night. [01:38:26.700 --> 01:38:27.700] Good night. [01:38:27.700 --> 01:38:29.700] Okay, Randy, what do you think? [01:38:29.700 --> 01:38:32.700] I think I'm impressed. [01:38:32.700 --> 01:38:35.700] I want to make a prediction. [01:38:35.700 --> 01:38:38.700] This will never make the Supreme. [01:38:38.700 --> 01:38:42.700] There is no chance the ATF is going to let this. [01:38:42.700 --> 01:38:45.700] I suspect it won't make a court of appeals. [01:38:45.700 --> 01:38:48.700] What do you think they're going to settle? [01:38:48.700 --> 01:38:57.700] I think they're going to make a deal and let the trial court rule against them, and they're [01:38:57.700 --> 01:39:04.700] not going to appeal, because they will have every other agency in the country crawling [01:39:04.700 --> 01:39:08.700] down their throats and say, are you guys out of your minds? [01:39:08.700 --> 01:39:11.700] You're going to get us all hamstrung. [01:39:11.700 --> 01:39:20.700] I wonder how many other lawsuits have been filed against other agencies under this statute? [01:39:20.700 --> 01:39:28.700] I suspect there's not many that are this blatant and outrageous and clearly political. [01:39:28.700 --> 01:39:32.700] I do understand the ATF's position. [01:39:32.700 --> 01:39:38.700] They don't want people mowed down like happened in Las Vegas and understand that part. [01:39:38.700 --> 01:39:47.700] But they were extremely unconscious and attempting to enact a remedy. [01:39:47.700 --> 01:39:58.700] They seem not to have learned from these other attacks that it does not turn the people against weapons. [01:39:58.700 --> 01:40:03.700] That seems to be what they believe will happen if someone does something horrible with a weapon. [01:40:03.700 --> 01:40:06.700] Everybody's going to run and say, get rid of all the weapons. [01:40:06.700 --> 01:40:08.700] That's not what's happening. [01:40:08.700 --> 01:40:09.700] We're smarter than that. [01:40:09.700 --> 01:40:12.700] Everybody's saying, arm the public. [01:40:12.700 --> 01:40:15.700] This guy did not come to have a gunfight. [01:40:15.700 --> 01:40:30.700] He came to have a turkey shoot and remind people of the first mass shooting in recent US history was the UTA tower in Austin. [01:40:30.700 --> 01:40:38.700] The guy got up there and in about 12 seconds shot 14 people. [01:40:38.700 --> 01:40:49.700] That's how long it took the freshman just out of high school to run to his pickup, snatch 30 out 6 off the gun rack and return fire and pin him down. [01:40:49.700 --> 01:40:55.700] Before it was over, he had 200 people returning fire. [01:40:55.700 --> 01:41:00.700] He got about 14 seconds of firing off and then he got himself a gunfight. [01:41:00.700 --> 01:41:08.700] Yeah, and not only that, Randy, it was a completely 100% civilian effort that finally took him down. [01:41:08.700 --> 01:41:12.700] All the, well, civilian, I should say citizen. [01:41:12.700 --> 01:41:14.700] See how they've got his program. [01:41:14.700 --> 01:41:16.700] Even I'm using that term. [01:41:16.700 --> 01:41:21.700] No, this was a 100% citizen effort. [01:41:21.700 --> 01:41:27.700] Everyone came out with the rifles and was pinning the guy down so that he couldn't get off any more shots. [01:41:27.700 --> 01:41:30.700] It was actually retired. [01:41:30.700 --> 01:41:39.700] He was a retired police officer and another citizen that finally were able to make it up to the tower and take him down. [01:41:39.700 --> 01:41:43.700] The active police didn't want anything to do with it. [01:41:43.700 --> 01:41:46.700] It was all we the people. [01:41:46.700 --> 01:41:50.700] Before the active police could get mobilized and get there, [01:41:50.700 --> 01:41:52.700] everybody running got their guns and returned fire. [01:41:52.700 --> 01:41:55.700] This is how we stopped this kind of thing. [01:41:55.700 --> 01:42:00.700] Not by banning all the guns and giving everybody opportunity to have himself a turkey shoot. [01:42:00.700 --> 01:42:02.700] Yeah, that's right. [01:42:02.700 --> 01:42:06.700] But when we come back, I want to bring on Ted Scarlett. [01:42:06.700 --> 01:42:17.700] Ted Scarlett, if anybody ever deserved to kick some behind, Ted has earned it and he seems to be making some headway. [01:42:17.700 --> 01:42:22.700] I could not be more police. You called me yesterday about this. [01:42:22.700 --> 01:42:25.700] I've got about a minute and a half. [01:42:25.700 --> 01:42:27.700] Ted? [01:42:27.700 --> 01:42:29.700] You there? [01:42:29.700 --> 01:42:30.700] Yes. [01:42:30.700 --> 01:42:32.700] How are you, Andy? [01:42:32.700 --> 01:42:33.700] Good, okay. [01:42:33.700 --> 01:42:40.700] Well, Ted has, they've been after him a long time and it was something really stupid. [01:42:40.700 --> 01:42:47.700] And Ted has been defending himself all this time and he's finally started to fight back. [01:42:47.700 --> 01:42:55.700] And it seems like he's beginning to see some change, some movement. [01:42:55.700 --> 01:42:58.700] And I'm kind of stalling here because we're just a minute from breaking. [01:42:58.700 --> 01:43:02.700] I didn't want to go into Ted before the break. [01:43:02.700 --> 01:43:05.700] But when he comes back, you're going to want to listen to this. [01:43:05.700 --> 01:43:07.700] I could not be more pleased. [01:43:07.700 --> 01:43:12.700] And I don't think anybody deserves it more than Ted. [01:43:12.700 --> 01:43:22.700] Ted had a heart attack in the court and the judge would not let the paramedics help him until the judge finished their hearing. [01:43:22.700 --> 01:43:25.700] What they've done to Ted is insane. [01:43:25.700 --> 01:43:28.700] That should be attempted murder right there. [01:43:28.700 --> 01:43:32.700] That should be depraved heart assault. [01:43:32.700 --> 01:43:34.700] And attempted murder. [01:43:34.700 --> 01:43:40.700] I suspect it's going to be before this is all over because Ted is getting cranked up on him. [01:43:40.700 --> 01:43:42.700] Okay, we're going to go to break. [01:43:42.700 --> 01:43:43.700] Hang on, Ted. [01:43:43.700 --> 01:43:44.700] We'll pick you up on the other side. [01:43:44.700 --> 01:43:48.700] This is Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens, rule of law radio. 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[01:45:43.700 --> 01:45:52.700] You'll receive our audio classroom, video seminar, tutorials, forms for civil cases, pro se tactics, and much more. [01:45:52.700 --> 01:46:00.700] Visit ruleoflawradio.com and click on the banner or call toll free 866-LAW-E-Z. [01:46:22.700 --> 01:46:41.700] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, Rule of Law Radio on this, the fourth day of April, 2018. [01:46:41.700 --> 01:46:45.700] And we're going to my hero, Ted Scarlett. [01:46:45.700 --> 01:46:49.700] Okay, Ted, tell us what happened. [01:46:49.700 --> 01:46:54.700] Randy, I'm your hero. [01:46:54.700 --> 01:47:00.700] What's happened is, and first off, I love Austin. [01:47:00.700 --> 01:47:07.700] And the next time I'm down there, I want to meet Michael and to tag on to what you were discussing earlier. [01:47:07.700 --> 01:47:11.700] Yeah, the public's safer with more armed citizens. [01:47:11.700 --> 01:47:14.700] And I live in California. [01:47:14.700 --> 01:47:16.700] Okay, don't be fooled. [01:47:16.700 --> 01:47:22.700] There are many Californians that absolutely believe in the right to keep in their arms. [01:47:22.700 --> 01:47:27.700] And it's the news media that tries to tell us otherwise. [01:47:27.700 --> 01:47:32.700] We are a safer society with an armed citizenry. [01:47:32.700 --> 01:47:46.700] So with that said, what's gone on, Randy, by following the motto of every time they do something wrong, write a criminal complaint. [01:47:46.700 --> 01:47:57.700] This machine, this huge monstrous machine called Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office, I think I've got them casters up. [01:47:57.700 --> 01:48:05.700] And I think that there's several dynamics going on here, Randy. [01:48:05.700 --> 01:48:08.700] I want to send you a copy. [01:48:08.700 --> 01:48:19.700] The California Bar has taken action against a deputy DA in the Los Angeles area, Sandra Lee Nasser. [01:48:19.700 --> 01:48:29.700] And they had a hearing on her and they suspended her for two years. [01:48:29.700 --> 01:48:36.700] The reason is for not turning over discovery or concealing discovery. [01:48:36.700 --> 01:48:40.700] It's all under the Brady law. [01:48:40.700 --> 01:48:42.700] It's known as Brady. [01:48:42.700 --> 01:48:55.700] And two years ago in my case, I put in the caption title of the pleading was Brady discovery request and demand for items. [01:48:55.700 --> 01:48:59.700] And the judge denied it. [01:48:59.700 --> 01:49:01.700] It's not for the judge. [01:49:01.700 --> 01:49:17.700] Okay, just like jurisdiction was challenged and the judge denied it, which the jurisdiction motion I filed was for the district attorney for the people to put on the record proof of jurisdiction. [01:49:17.700 --> 01:49:30.700] So it's gotten to the point, Randy, they're falling apart so fast that I can't keep up with writing the criminal complaints against these people. [01:49:30.700 --> 01:49:35.700] Tell about what happened in court recently. [01:49:35.700 --> 01:49:45.700] Well, I went to the court clerk a year ago with a request for a copy of the court case file. [01:49:45.700 --> 01:49:53.700] I filled out the proper little form and I put in a fee waiver because I have a fee waiver already. [01:49:53.700 --> 01:50:09.700] However, the clerk didn't do her job. She ran interference and somebody ran it up to this judge who's actually the chief judge of the criminal court. [01:50:09.700 --> 01:50:23.700] And she sent it up there and the judge denied my fee waiver, but the clerk is still obligated to give me a cost. [01:50:23.700 --> 01:50:33.700] So we go along for a few months and I find out how to file for ancillary expenses because of my financial status. [01:50:33.700 --> 01:50:38.700] I am entitled to everything at no cost. [01:50:38.700 --> 01:50:43.700] I had before the same judge and it's a lot of work. [01:50:43.700 --> 01:50:49.700] It took three days to put it all together and she waited, sat on it for a week and a half and then denied it. [01:50:49.700 --> 01:50:55.700] So I was in court yesterday like a pro the day before in the morning. [01:50:55.700 --> 01:51:08.700] I went down ex parte and went up to her courtroom and had a paper ex parte back up a minute. [01:51:08.700 --> 01:51:21.700] The day before that I was in court and another judge denied my demand for discovery and another motion I had. [01:51:21.700 --> 01:51:28.700] And so right there in the court that day I told them I'm not representing myself and I told them I wanted a hearing. [01:51:28.700 --> 01:51:31.700] Now he's supposed to give me a form. [01:51:31.700 --> 01:51:33.700] Okay, so he didn't do it. [01:51:33.700 --> 01:51:40.700] I ran downstairs and the clerk's office told me, well, do you have the judge's form to set this hearing? [01:51:40.700 --> 01:51:43.700] When you're setting on short calendars, that's what you have to do. [01:51:43.700 --> 01:52:01.700] So anyway, I ended up doing it the next day, went up there, got the ex parte, went to court yesterday and I prepared another pleading to take with me that I wanted to file on the spot. [01:52:01.700 --> 01:52:14.700] But the pleading I was there to hear that I got an ex parte order shortening time to be heard was to vacate the trial date of April 8th. [01:52:14.700 --> 01:52:21.700] So the hearing commences and it was within 30 seconds. [01:52:21.700 --> 01:52:26.700] The judge was saying she's going to dismiss it, but it went like this. [01:52:26.700 --> 01:52:32.700] So the deputy DA made an appearance. [01:52:32.700 --> 01:52:35.700] I got up and said good afternoon, Sidney Scarlett. [01:52:35.700 --> 01:52:36.700] That's all I say. [01:52:36.700 --> 01:52:37.700] I don't. [01:52:37.700 --> 01:52:45.700] And then the judge asked immediately if the people had any objection to the motion to vacate the trial date. [01:52:45.700 --> 01:52:49.700] And the deputy DA is like, no, I support it. [01:52:49.700 --> 01:52:52.700] I'm concerned that they don't call me defendant. [01:52:52.700 --> 01:52:54.700] They call me Mr. Scarlett. [01:52:54.700 --> 01:52:57.700] I'm concerned Mr. Scarlett doesn't have all discovery. [01:52:57.700 --> 01:53:04.700] I'm concerned because Mr. Scarlett said that he can't take all the information we gave him on the CDs. [01:53:04.700 --> 01:53:10.700] I'm concerned because he says that he's quitting as representation. [01:53:10.700 --> 01:53:14.700] And so I'm in favor of continuing this. [01:53:14.700 --> 01:53:23.700] And so then I got back to the judge and I said, Your Honor, before we go any further, the last time I was before you, [01:53:23.700 --> 01:53:26.700] there were competing motions to continue the trial date. [01:53:26.700 --> 01:53:30.700] I was never served the people's papers. [01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:34.700] And to this day, I can't, I haven't found the papers. [01:53:34.700 --> 01:53:37.700] I don't know what they submitted that day. [01:53:37.700 --> 01:53:45.700] And I said, and furthermore, Mr. Scarlett, we're taking care of this. [01:53:45.700 --> 01:53:54.700] And the judges, I said, well, Your Honor, as I say to my papers, I don't have a copy of the court case file. [01:53:54.700 --> 01:54:05.700] The court has deprived me of effective assistance to counsel when the court refused to give me a copy of the court case file. [01:54:05.700 --> 01:54:12.700] As you know, I had a prominent defense attorney who was going to take the case. [01:54:12.700 --> 01:54:18.700] But because the court refused to give me a copy of the court case file, he withdrew. [01:54:18.700 --> 01:54:20.700] That's why I'm in the position I'm in. [01:54:20.700 --> 01:54:34.700] And I said, and then I told her, she, I said, she says, then the next thing I said is the court clerk refused my request. [01:54:34.700 --> 01:54:39.700] And I've gone down there many times and I can't look at the file because it's not available. [01:54:39.700 --> 01:54:42.700] It's out, so on. [01:54:42.700 --> 01:54:51.700] And I'm filing criminal charges on the clerk for depriving me a copy of the court case file. [01:54:51.700 --> 01:54:53.700] Mrs. Scarlett, we're taking care of that for you. [01:54:53.700 --> 01:55:04.700] And she was telling her, she's talking to me and at the same time she's telling her clerk the call down to the clerk's office and start copying that thing right now. [01:55:04.700 --> 01:55:12.700] And then she tells the clerk to do that. The judge tells me they're copying it for you. [01:55:12.700 --> 01:55:24.700] And I said, well, I'll let you know that what I have found out is that there's a section of the case that's been sent out to a vendor. [01:55:24.700 --> 01:55:30.700] Yes, she kept interrupting me and telling me that, you know, she's going to take care of all this. [01:55:30.700 --> 01:55:44.700] But as in our phone call yesterday, because I said I'm filing criminal charges on the court clerk, Randy, you noted that that judge knows that that court clerk is going to throw the judge under the bus. [01:55:44.700 --> 01:55:47.700] Exactly. [01:55:47.700 --> 01:56:04.700] So the clerk did exactly what the judge told her to. But her problem is, if the judge told you to stand on your head and squawk like a chicken, would you do that? [01:56:04.700 --> 01:56:19.700] The judge, the clerk did what the clerk did. And she will try to throw the judge under the bus by claiming that the judge told her to. And Ted's going to say, so what? [01:56:19.700 --> 01:56:27.700] It doesn't matter what the judge told you. That just means you acted in concert inclusion and conspired against me to deny me in my rights. [01:56:27.700 --> 01:56:40.700] The one thing you don't have to prove conclusively is conspiracy can be implied. And it looks like you really struck a nerve with the judge. [01:56:40.700 --> 01:56:50.700] When you get the judge dancing, you get everybody dancing. So what was the upshot of that hearing? [01:56:50.700 --> 01:56:57.700] The trial date is vacated. We're back on the 17th for a status... [01:56:57.700 --> 01:57:07.700] Wait, wait, wait. Didn't you speak to the judge about your interlocutory appeal or your petition for a writ of prohibition? [01:57:07.700 --> 01:57:17.700] Well, she's trying to get me out of there. She's looking at the calendar. She's trying to come up with a date. And I said, judge, you interrupted me. [01:57:17.700 --> 01:57:26.700] I apologize. Didn't mean to interrupt you. I just want you to be aware that I have a writ of prohibition filed at the 6th District Court of Appeals. [01:57:26.700 --> 01:57:34.700] She didn't pledge. She already knows about it. I'll tell you my gut feeling. The Court of Appeals has already called down there and asked these people, [01:57:34.700 --> 01:57:48.700] what the hell are you doing? Because they read my writ of prohibition and they know there's no crime here. And so I think they told them, what the hell are you doing? [01:57:48.700 --> 01:58:00.700] And I'm going to file criminal charges on this judge for conspiracy official oppression. I'm going to file charges on the clerk for not doing her duty. [01:58:00.700 --> 01:58:10.700] And I've got a great record of the whole thing. I got transcripts. Okay? [01:58:10.700 --> 01:58:26.700] So the one thing that they know they cannot control and that's a grand jury. And while the more corrupt a jurisdiction is, the more political enemies they have. 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