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[00:42.920 --> 00:48.480]  Today in history, the year 1415, Protestant Christian reformers John Wycliffe and Jan
[00:48.480 --> 00:52.160]  Haas are condemned as heretics at the Council of Constance.
[00:52.160 --> 00:55.920]  This declaration led to the digging up and burning of Wycliffe's bones, who had died
[00:55.920 --> 01:01.000]  a few decades before, with his ashes being dumped into a river, into the eventual execution
[01:01.000 --> 01:06.240]  of Jan Haas by burning at the stake, yet another attempt at stamping out Protestantism via
[01:06.240 --> 01:13.080]  the Catholic Inquisition today in history.
[01:13.080 --> 01:16.700]  In recent news, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said concerning President Obama's
[01:16.700 --> 01:20.600]  first visit to Flint, Michigan, in response to the lead poisoning crisis that has been
[01:20.600 --> 01:24.680]  happening there, that, quote, this administration will continue to help mobilize the resources
[01:24.680 --> 01:28.440]  necessary that will allow Flint to recover and come back stronger than ever.
[01:28.440 --> 01:30.480]  This is not an exercise in finger pointing.
[01:30.480 --> 01:34.520]  This is an exercise in asserting the responsibility that everybody has to make sure the people
[01:34.520 --> 01:37.360]  of Flint have an opportunity to get back on their feet.
[01:37.360 --> 01:41.240]  President Obama did declare a state of emergency in mid-January and ordered federal aid in
[01:41.240 --> 01:43.560]  addition to the state and local response.
[01:43.560 --> 01:47.560]  His first priority in Flint is to be updated on the federal response to the crisis and
[01:47.560 --> 01:55.080]  is even meeting with some city residents.
[01:55.080 --> 01:58.920]  Israel's Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked in an interview with the Washington Post stated
[01:58.920 --> 02:03.880]  today that, quote, in the past, we've seen European leaders speaking against the Jews.
[02:03.880 --> 02:05.280]  Now we see them speaking against Israel.
[02:05.280 --> 02:10.680]  It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libel, spreading lies, distorting reality, and brainwashing
[02:10.680 --> 02:12.920]  people into hating Israel and the Jews.
[02:12.920 --> 02:17.680]  She went as far as to say that the supporters of movements such as BDS, which call for putting
[02:17.680 --> 02:21.520]  economic and political pressure on Israel in order to achieve compliance with international
[02:21.520 --> 02:27.040]  law and gain rights for Palestinians, are, quote, using the same kind of anti-Semitism,
[02:27.040 --> 02:30.560]  but instead of saying they're against the Jews, they say that they're against Israel.
[02:30.560 --> 02:34.200]  In response to comments made in recent weeks by members of Britain's Labor Party claiming
[02:34.200 --> 02:38.720]  that Hitler was a Zionist and previous remarks by lawmakers that Israel's population should
[02:38.720 --> 02:43.560]  be transported out of the Middle East to America, Shaked stated that, quote, today it is not
[02:43.560 --> 02:47.920]  politically correct to be anti-Semitic, but being anti-Israeli is acceptable.
[02:47.920 --> 02:51.720]  People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership
[02:51.720 --> 02:52.720]  positions.
[02:52.720 --> 03:09.960]  This is Rick Rode with your Lowdown for May 4th, 2016.
[03:09.960 --> 03:36.520]  Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time on Lowdown for May 4th, 2016.
[03:39.960 --> 03:54.840]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, packed with our radio, and we're going to Ryan in California.
[03:54.840 --> 03:58.160]  Hello, Mr. Ryan, what do you have for us today?
[03:58.160 --> 03:59.160]  Hi, Randy.
[03:59.160 --> 04:02.160]  Hopefully my connection is still good.
[04:02.160 --> 04:03.160]  Yes, yes, yes.
[04:03.160 --> 04:04.160]  Good sound.
[04:04.160 --> 04:05.160]  Okay.
[04:05.160 --> 04:06.160]  Okay, good.
[04:06.160 --> 04:07.160]  I'm glad.
[04:07.160 --> 04:14.800]  I don't know how to make this simple at all, but I had a call with regard to a case back
[04:14.800 --> 04:17.240]  in 2007.
[04:17.240 --> 04:23.760]  I was cultivating marijuana within the county limits and with a medical prescription.
[04:23.760 --> 04:30.320]  And what I was led to believe, following a name change on my electric bill, PG&E's billing
[04:30.320 --> 04:35.480]  department flagged their own legal department, who in turn contacted the county sheriff with
[04:35.480 --> 04:37.560]  a concern about my electric usage.
[04:37.560 --> 04:43.000]  PG&E provided the sheriff department with my bill, then the sheriff used this bill,
[04:43.000 --> 04:48.200]  and some photos of somebody's trash cans with stems and twigs wrapped up in a newspaper
[04:48.200 --> 04:51.200]  to a judge to issue a search warrant.
[04:51.200 --> 04:59.040]  About half a dozen sheriffs served this warrant in January of 2007 when I was away at lunch.
[04:59.040 --> 05:01.960]  When I returned, they searched me and my girlfriend.
[05:01.960 --> 05:03.240]  They let her leave.
[05:03.240 --> 05:07.680]  I was told I wasn't under arrest, but not allowed to leave or move around in my own
[05:07.680 --> 05:08.680]  home.
[05:08.680 --> 05:13.040]  They emptied my pockets and interrogated me for about two and a half hours.
[05:13.040 --> 05:16.240]  I knew in my gut from the start they didn't have any right to be in my house.
[05:16.240 --> 05:22.000]  There was no reason for them to be there that I was aware of.
[05:22.000 --> 05:26.400]  Intermittently, various officers approached me with questions and making subtle threats.
[05:26.400 --> 05:31.360]  They didn't seem to act like law enforcement, so half the time I believed that I was being
[05:31.360 --> 05:35.000]  robbed and my life was in danger.
[05:35.000 --> 05:40.480]  They threatened to make mine a federal case sometime during that as well.
[05:40.480 --> 05:45.160]  They did a real good job convincing me that I broke the law, but wasn't under arrest.
[05:45.160 --> 05:50.000]  So I decided to get them out of my house any way possible.
[05:50.000 --> 05:54.760]  So I told them that I intended to sell any extra marijuana that I might have someday
[05:54.760 --> 06:00.120]  to a licensed club or a dispensary.
[06:00.120 --> 06:04.880]  I didn't say that I had any extra, but I was in possession of one pound and had some
[06:04.880 --> 06:07.440]  plants growing in my garage.
[06:07.440 --> 06:11.880]  They took $800 from my safe and took my medicine and all my plants.
[06:11.880 --> 06:16.360]  At the end, one of the sheriff's deputies handed me a business card and told me I could
[06:16.360 --> 06:19.280]  start growing again, but only if it was for myself.
[06:19.280 --> 06:25.960]  Now, four months later, the DA mailed me a summons regarding a complaint filed, which
[06:25.960 --> 06:29.800]  included two felony counts and one misdemeanor count.
[06:29.800 --> 06:36.600]  I retained an attorney who took my case on from start to finish, so she said, for $10,000.
[06:36.600 --> 06:42.460]  They dragged on for almost two years and the closer we got to trial, the more my attorney
[06:42.460 --> 06:47.560]  complained about having run out of money and wanted to dismiss herself from my case.
[06:47.560 --> 06:52.240]  The attorney filed a request to have the public defender sign to me and directed me to fill
[06:52.240 --> 06:58.240]  out a financial form fraudulently so that I would qualify for free representation.
[06:58.240 --> 07:01.760]  The judge asked the attorney why she wanted to be dismissed and she responded accurately
[07:01.760 --> 07:03.800]  that I could not afford her service.
[07:03.800 --> 07:06.040]  Accurately, I couldn't afford anyone else's service.
[07:06.040 --> 07:12.400]  By the way, I later found she was disbarred from Texas.
[07:12.400 --> 07:17.160]  The judge then asked me if what she stated was accurate and if that's what I wish to
[07:17.160 --> 07:18.160]  do.
[07:18.160 --> 07:21.320]  I informed the judge that I have paid her up front and am told to represent me through
[07:21.320 --> 07:22.320]  trial.
[07:22.320 --> 07:26.880]  I did not wish to retain any other attorney and in truth, I didn't want to be implicated
[07:26.880 --> 07:31.200]  or associated with defrauding the court of the state of California, so she stayed on
[07:31.200 --> 07:32.200]  reluctantly.
[07:32.200 --> 07:38.080]  Now, my attorney and the assistant DA made a deal for one count of felony cultivation
[07:38.080 --> 07:46.240]  to which I played no contest, which I was sentenced on 60 days community service, jaded
[07:46.240 --> 07:51.320]  fees and penalties, three years probation without circumceder, no jail time or drug
[07:51.320 --> 07:58.120]  classes and included with a promise to expunge my case at completion of probation.
[07:58.120 --> 08:04.440]  I did all the above and hired a different attorney to file a motion 17B.
[08:04.440 --> 08:10.040]  The first judge refused to hear the motion and he yelled at the lawyers to get out of
[08:10.040 --> 08:12.200]  his court.
[08:12.200 --> 08:14.440]  Very confusing and a little frightening.
[08:14.440 --> 08:19.720]  The second judge heard the motion and allowed me to, if I'm using the word correctly, revoke
[08:19.720 --> 08:27.080]  my plea of no contest and enter a plea of not guilty by reopening my original case.
[08:27.080 --> 08:34.160]  The felony was dismissed and the misdemeanor was reintroduced as a charge or I was recharged
[08:34.160 --> 08:36.680]  with a misdemeanor to which I fled not guilty.
[08:36.680 --> 08:40.880]  I was informed that my rights at that point were restored.
[08:40.880 --> 08:45.200]  The clerk's office never sent my expungement or the court minutes to DOJ.
[08:45.200 --> 08:49.840]  This was in 2011 by this time.
[08:49.840 --> 08:56.960]  I went and just recently this year, having to work security now, I used to be a chiropractor.
[08:56.960 --> 08:59.560]  I went to purchase a gun for my security job and got denied.
[08:59.560 --> 09:05.400]  I went back to the court and got the papers sent off to the DOJ.
[09:05.400 --> 09:08.520]  That court actually laughed at me and said, we don't arrest people for things like that
[09:08.520 --> 09:09.520]  these days.
[09:09.520 --> 09:13.440]  I went to purchase a second gun and it was denied again.
[09:13.440 --> 09:14.440]  I called the court.
[09:14.440 --> 09:20.360]  I found a mistake and was really confused by the proceedings because they weren't very
[09:20.360 --> 09:21.360]  common.
[09:21.360 --> 09:25.960]  She was never seen anything like that before.
[09:25.960 --> 09:31.680]  That leads us right about to today where I have been without my chiropractic license
[09:31.680 --> 09:39.960]  of practice since 2009, lost my gun rights until whenever the DOJ processes the paperwork
[09:39.960 --> 09:40.960]  if they do.
[09:40.960 --> 09:45.520]  Lost my practice, my home, two cars, all my possessions and valuables, destroyed my credit
[09:45.520 --> 09:47.960]  and defaulted on my student loans.
[09:47.960 --> 09:54.800]  I didn't know anything obviously about common law or my rights at this time.
[09:54.800 --> 10:01.480]  I've just over the last year or so been learning as much as possible about the right to travel.
[10:01.480 --> 10:06.160]  I don't know what to do if anything from here about this case.
[10:06.160 --> 10:14.200]  Okay, what would you like to achieve?
[10:14.200 --> 10:15.680]  What do you want to do?
[10:15.680 --> 10:23.600]  Well, I feel like filling my rights were violated in several different ways.
[10:23.600 --> 10:26.480]  I don't want to sound like a victim, but I do feel victimized.
[10:26.480 --> 10:27.720]  Okay, hold on.
[10:27.720 --> 10:33.520]  At the end of the day, how would you like things to be different?
[10:33.520 --> 10:39.000]  What would you like to achieve as a ultimate outcome?
[10:39.000 --> 10:46.160]  As an ultimate outcome, I would like for justice to be served on those who trespass against
[10:46.160 --> 10:47.160]  me.
[10:47.160 --> 10:48.160]  Okay, hold on.
[10:48.160 --> 10:49.160]  Forget about justice.
[10:49.160 --> 10:50.160]  Okay.
[10:50.160 --> 10:56.840]  The system is not just, never has been and never will be.
[10:56.840 --> 11:03.440]  I know they talk about justice in high school and all that, but when we get out here looking
[11:03.440 --> 11:11.800]  for justice, justice is so subjective that nobody can really define what it is.
[11:11.800 --> 11:23.960]  In order to achieve some outcome, we need to determine some place that you want to get
[11:23.960 --> 11:25.800]  to.
[11:25.800 --> 11:37.440]  If you could reach this point, then is this something that you could live with?
[11:37.440 --> 11:39.240]  I know this sounds harsh, but-
[11:39.240 --> 11:42.480]  Well, that's very clear.
[11:42.480 --> 11:43.480]  Yeah.
[11:43.480 --> 11:51.560]  If you're trying to secure justice from the system, you will be continually disappointed.
[11:51.560 --> 11:58.320]  One of the dangers of getting into these kinds of circumstances, especially when you didn't
[11:58.320 --> 12:06.320]  know what was going on in the beginning and they really rolled rough shot over you, is
[12:06.320 --> 12:13.360]  if you're not careful, it becomes about the fight and not about an outcome.
[12:13.360 --> 12:18.080]  I had a friend that helped people with IRS issues.
[12:18.080 --> 12:19.080]  She was in Pennsylvania.
[12:19.080 --> 12:23.520]  They sent her to the next door neighbors who had some IRS tax liens they were trying to
[12:23.520 --> 12:25.560]  get rid of.
[12:25.560 --> 12:28.320]  She sat down and asked them, what do you want to do?
[12:28.320 --> 12:29.680]  I want to get rid of these liens.
[12:29.680 --> 12:30.680]  She looked at them and said, okay.
[12:30.680 --> 12:32.360]  She tore them up and threw them in the trash.
[12:32.360 --> 12:33.360]  They're gone.
[12:33.360 --> 12:35.640]  Now what do you want?
[12:35.640 --> 12:36.640]  They were flabbergasted.
[12:36.640 --> 12:43.160]  She said, guys, these liens expired two years ago and the IRS didn't reinstate them.
[12:43.160 --> 12:44.160]  They're gone.
[12:44.160 --> 12:47.360]  What do these people do?
[12:47.360 --> 12:57.160]  They sent a blistering letter to the IRS and when the IRS did, they reinstated the liens.
[12:57.160 --> 13:06.680]  At the end of the day, where would you like to be to get yourself back in a position where
[13:06.680 --> 13:08.600]  you can restart your life?
[13:08.600 --> 13:18.880]  You may be able to get justice, but not if you're being run over by a truck.
[13:18.880 --> 13:22.080]  First we need to get stabilized.
[13:22.080 --> 13:29.040]  What would it take to get you back in a stable position?
[13:29.040 --> 13:36.000]  I would say having my chiropractic license reinstated, which I have that paperwork in
[13:36.000 --> 13:42.960]  the works, I don't know if it'll be successful, and to have my property returned, to have
[13:42.960 --> 13:52.080]  what I lost restored, and having a history in the medical profession, I would use the
[13:52.080 --> 13:56.720]  term pre-injury status in some sort.
[13:56.720 --> 13:57.720]  Okay.
[13:57.720 --> 14:03.040]  Of course, I defaulted on my loans and everything, too, and that may have prohibited me from
[14:03.040 --> 14:07.960]  getting back my license.
[14:07.960 --> 14:11.600]  I guess I'm looking for reprimand.
[14:11.600 --> 14:12.600]  Okay.
[14:12.600 --> 14:13.600]  Yeah.
[14:13.600 --> 14:21.240]  I understand that you want to be paid back for the harm, but in order to get paid back
[14:21.240 --> 14:26.760]  from the harm, you have to be in a position where you can fight them.
[14:26.760 --> 14:36.760]  One of the things that these guys do is they try to grind you down to you can't fight them.
[14:36.760 --> 14:43.000]  My suggestion is let's find a way to get re-stabilized.
[14:43.000 --> 14:46.840]  They don't like people who can fight them.
[14:46.840 --> 14:52.360]  Once you're out from under the criminal, are you out from under criminal that will cost
[14:52.360 --> 14:56.880]  you your liberty at this point?
[14:56.880 --> 14:57.880]  I believe so.
[14:57.880 --> 15:06.880]  I think that as of yesterday, the DOJ at least has been informed of the amended paperwork
[15:06.880 --> 15:10.480]  sent to them, and I'm out of way of harm.
[15:10.480 --> 15:13.120]  I do have a steady job now.
[15:13.120 --> 15:14.120]  Okay.
[15:14.120 --> 15:18.040]  Liberty for me is the most important thing.
[15:18.040 --> 15:24.720]  I am very reluctant to suggest that somebody do something that can cost them their liberty.
[15:24.720 --> 15:28.400]  You're mentioning the right to travel issue.
[15:28.400 --> 15:34.280]  I'm going to suggest leave that fight to me or to Eddie Craig or to somebody else.
[15:34.280 --> 15:40.320]  You got bigger battles to fight, and I've been doing this show for a long time.
[15:40.320 --> 15:46.680]  I've been researching this kind of thing for 30 years, and I'm just now taking on the travel
[15:46.680 --> 15:48.400]  issue just for yucks.
[15:48.400 --> 15:55.880]  I really don't care about it because I have really more important fights to fight, and
[15:55.880 --> 16:02.840]  the one I'm fighting is the one that will give us an underlying structure that we can
[16:02.840 --> 16:06.200]  use to win things like the travel issue.
[16:06.200 --> 16:09.600]  Pick your battles really carefully is my point.
[16:09.600 --> 16:19.360]  I think what's it going to take to get your chiropractic license back?
[16:19.360 --> 16:29.120]  Hearing with the state board and of course clean live scan fingerprint.
[16:29.120 --> 16:30.960]  What are the requirements?
[16:30.960 --> 16:34.680]  How did you get... How did they cancel it to start with?
[16:34.680 --> 16:39.600]  Come on, about to go to break, and that's going to take us out because your voice sounds
[16:39.600 --> 16:42.160]  better than mine.
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[19:05.440 --> 19:10.440]  Well, don't let nothing get to you.
[19:10.440 --> 19:15.440]  Only the Father can deliver you.
[19:15.440 --> 19:22.440]  Don't let bad-minded people hurt you until they can get behind you.
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[19:30.720 --> 19:31.720]  We are back from break.
[19:31.720 --> 19:34.960]  This is Rule of Law Radio with Randy Kelton and Ben Pack.
[19:34.960 --> 19:38.960]  We are on the air with Ryan from California.
[19:38.960 --> 19:42.760]  Okay, Ryan.
[19:42.760 --> 19:47.960]  In order to be able to fight these fights, we have to have some tools to fight them with.
[19:47.960 --> 19:55.360]  JP Morgan once said, don't worry about the radical rabble.
[19:55.360 --> 20:00.600]  They don't even have the money for bus fare to get to their rallies.
[20:00.600 --> 20:03.520]  And to a large degree, he was right.
[20:03.520 --> 20:09.440]  If we're going to seriously fight this battle, the first thing we have to do is get ourselves
[20:09.440 --> 20:13.800]  in a position to where they can't push us around so easy.
[20:13.800 --> 20:24.400]  And since you have a chiropractic lessons, I have a question about the student loan.
[20:24.400 --> 20:28.840]  How does that affect your ability to restore your license?
[20:28.840 --> 20:33.600]  Well, it was brought up to the board.
[20:33.600 --> 20:41.640]  I think it's maybe a requirement, and it may depend if they enforce this in my case.
[20:41.640 --> 20:47.400]  But it is said that if you are on default of your student loan, they may retain the
[20:47.400 --> 20:52.760]  right to refuse re-licensure or new licenses and so forth.
[20:52.760 --> 20:56.840]  I'm looking for reinstatement, so it's a similar category.
[20:56.840 --> 20:57.840]  Okay.
[20:57.840 --> 21:04.640]  The first thing I suggest is get a hold of whoever is adjudicating your student loan
[21:04.640 --> 21:12.960]  and see if you can get them to reinstate because they don't want to default your student loan.
[21:12.960 --> 21:15.080]  All they care about is collecting money.
[21:15.080 --> 21:23.000]  And if you go to the arm and indicate that you had an interruption in your practice and
[21:23.000 --> 21:29.800]  that you have that taken care of and you would like to reinstate your loan and start paying
[21:29.800 --> 21:37.960]  it off again, very likely that they will bend over backwards to get you back on their books.
[21:37.960 --> 21:44.560]  So all you have to do is get them to refinance that loan and you can get back on the books
[21:44.560 --> 21:48.160]  and get in good standing there.
[21:48.160 --> 21:52.160]  What else would prevent you from getting your license back?
[21:52.160 --> 21:56.120]  Let's see.
[21:56.120 --> 22:01.480]  If they charged exorbitant fees, of course, I'd need to be able to afford those.
[22:01.480 --> 22:08.320]  There is the possibility that because, and this ties into the answer to a previous question
[22:08.320 --> 22:17.640]  you'd have, because the license was revoked by default, that they may be able to waive
[22:17.640 --> 22:19.640]  those fees.
[22:19.640 --> 22:24.520]  Okay.
[22:24.520 --> 22:28.640]  What would it take to get them to waive those fees?
[22:28.640 --> 22:36.200]  What I'm going to suggest is put justice behind you for the moment.
[22:36.200 --> 22:38.200]  Justice is always going to be there waiting for you.
[22:38.200 --> 22:42.240]  You can go after these guys anytime you want to.
[22:42.240 --> 22:47.920]  This is for a large degree what I do.
[22:47.920 --> 22:52.280]  I had a bailiff drag me down the stairs once, shove me out the door, knock me down, break
[22:52.280 --> 22:55.560]  my elbow.
[22:55.560 --> 23:06.080]  That really, really hurt and I was really, really upset at that bailiff, but I looked
[23:06.080 --> 23:14.280]  at my goals and what was I trying to achieve and I asked myself, will that help me toward
[23:14.280 --> 23:18.360]  my intended ultimate outcome?
[23:18.360 --> 23:23.680]  I couldn't find any way of framing that to where it would help me toward my ultimate
[23:23.680 --> 23:24.680]  outcome.
[23:24.680 --> 23:29.920]  I had to just let that go, put it behind me.
[23:29.920 --> 23:35.640]  Once I got in a position to where I could do something, then I come back after it.
[23:35.640 --> 23:41.080]  After I got in a position where I could, it turned out it wasn't important.
[23:41.080 --> 23:43.480]  It did not be done on purpose.
[23:43.480 --> 23:44.880]  It is.
[23:44.880 --> 23:51.680]  Just because they did something wrong, you don't have to fight that fight now.
[23:51.680 --> 23:56.680]  I was in the military and I was in combat and I was a good combat soldier.
[23:56.680 --> 24:00.480]  You did not want me after you.
[24:00.480 --> 24:03.160]  You're not going to make me angry.
[24:03.160 --> 24:04.160]  You're not going to get me flustered.
[24:04.160 --> 24:07.060]  If I'm coming after you, I'm coming after you.
[24:07.060 --> 24:11.440]  You're not going to get me to do something stupid.
[24:11.440 --> 24:21.280]  There's a story about Henry V. Fighting with the French, he couldn't get at them to attack,
[24:21.280 --> 24:29.320]  so he launched a set of longbows at them, fired arrows into their ranks and it upset
[24:29.320 --> 24:39.320]  them so much they charged parallel into him and 500 took on 10,000 because 500 were disciplined
[24:39.320 --> 24:42.040]  and 10,000 were not.
[24:42.040 --> 24:47.480]  They ran into a muddy field where they couldn't fight and they just slaughtered them.
[24:47.480 --> 24:49.520]  Let's get serious.
[24:49.520 --> 24:51.280]  Let's get mean.
[24:51.280 --> 24:54.000]  Let's get focused.
[24:54.000 --> 25:00.320]  From what I hear from you, the most important thing you can do is get your license back,
[25:00.320 --> 25:06.920]  get re-stabilized and once you're back in a position of strength, then we can come back
[25:06.920 --> 25:10.200]  after these guys and I can show you how to do that.
[25:10.200 --> 25:16.520]  I can show you how to do that where they can't come after you.
[25:16.520 --> 25:18.240]  I do this.
[25:18.240 --> 25:24.320]  I just filed first degree felony aggravated assault charges against my district judge
[25:24.320 --> 25:29.520]  because he had a bailiff touch me.
[25:29.520 --> 25:33.720]  When he figured out I wasn't impressed with him touching me and I asked a bailiff if that
[25:33.720 --> 25:37.880]  pistol was loaded, the judge figured out I was setting him up and told the bailiff to
[25:37.880 --> 25:38.880]  back off.
[25:38.880 --> 25:39.880]  Sorry, Bubba.
[25:39.880 --> 25:40.880]  Too late.
[25:40.880 --> 25:49.320]  That bell's already been rung and I'm coming after him, first degree felony aggravated
[25:49.320 --> 25:54.320]  assault with something so minor he can't believe it.
[25:54.320 --> 25:55.320]  Don't mess with me.
[25:55.320 --> 25:57.920]  When I'm coming after you, I'm going to set you up.
[25:57.920 --> 26:01.920]  I'm not going to let you lead me into a fight I can't win.
[26:01.920 --> 26:10.640]  So I take it that, you know, I was concerned when you first spoke of this that your license
[26:10.640 --> 26:14.560]  was revoked because maybe there was a felony against you and you can't have a license
[26:14.560 --> 26:18.800]  if you're a felony, that there was something really hard and fast that would absolutely
[26:18.800 --> 26:23.120]  prevent you from getting it, but I take it that's not the case, that these are more
[26:23.120 --> 26:27.560]  administrative issues that you could get sorted out?
[26:27.560 --> 26:36.440]  Well, I don't know that for a fact, but because it has been expunged now, I do have a fighting
[26:36.440 --> 26:41.440]  chance and I did want to take a moment, if it's all right, to respond to a question
[26:41.440 --> 26:47.600]  that you asked me a couple of minutes ago and which was how exactly did the license
[26:47.600 --> 26:48.600]  get revoked?
[26:48.600 --> 26:55.280]  And I have a short answer and it is the Attorney General, I believe, of California informed
[26:55.280 --> 27:00.240]  the board of the charges and the worst possible details of the investigation and then finally
[27:00.240 --> 27:02.800]  the felony conviction.
[27:02.800 --> 27:07.720]  The board in turn mailed me two letters of inquiry to my friend's office where my new
[27:07.720 --> 27:14.200]  practice was registered and I had started practicing there and he, who was my classmate
[27:14.200 --> 27:20.440]  years ago, thought fit to return those letters to the board instead of calling me or forwarding
[27:20.440 --> 27:25.440]  the letters to me, but it was revoked by default that I didn't answer them.
[27:25.440 --> 27:28.240]  Hold on, back up.
[27:28.240 --> 27:31.280]  Who asked him to return those letters?
[27:31.280 --> 27:34.440]  Well, no, that was his self-directed.
[27:34.440 --> 27:40.080]  Oh, so he just returned them because we weren't there?
[27:40.080 --> 27:43.840]  Okay, here's the thing about defaults.
[27:43.840 --> 27:46.200]  He's taking my calls.
[27:46.200 --> 27:49.000]  Wait, I'm sorry.
[27:49.000 --> 27:56.120]  My mistake, if I'm speaking and you're speaking, our suppressor should push your voice down
[27:56.120 --> 27:57.120]  below me.
[27:57.120 --> 28:01.160]  So we both started to talk at the same time and I stepped on you, I'm sorry.
[28:01.160 --> 28:03.160]  Say that last part again.
[28:03.160 --> 28:07.760]  Oh, that's okay, but I didn't mean to interrupt.
[28:07.760 --> 28:15.880]  No, that was self-directed and I don't know the answer to that question because at this
[28:15.880 --> 28:19.200]  point he stopped returning my call.
[28:19.200 --> 28:27.320]  Okay, so this is, if they have a default, the default's not too bad.
[28:27.320 --> 28:32.600]  That's not so hard to get over and for the most part, the board doesn't want to revoke
[28:32.600 --> 28:39.280]  your license and they'll only do it if they feel they have to and almost certainly, how
[28:39.280 --> 28:42.000]  much time has passed?
[28:42.000 --> 28:46.160]  Well, since 09, September.
[28:46.160 --> 28:52.400]  09, so that's seven years, they almost certainly, there's been enough time to pass and if you
[28:52.400 --> 28:59.920]  go back to them now and petition for reinstatement and give them any kind of reason, very likely
[28:59.920 --> 29:05.080]  they'll reinstate you because they don't want you to, they don't want to take your license
[29:05.080 --> 29:06.080]  away from you.
[29:06.080 --> 29:11.440]  This is not something they'd like to do and in the end, everything's political.
[29:11.440 --> 29:18.360]  If you just start working the political side, go to them, guys, what do you need to get
[29:18.360 --> 29:19.360]  this resolved?
[29:19.360 --> 29:25.800]  What do I need to do to show you that you don't need to revoke my license?
[29:25.800 --> 29:29.560]  Almost certainly you'll be able to get this fixed.
[29:29.560 --> 29:31.560]  Hang on, we're about to go to break.
[29:31.560 --> 29:34.640]  Vette, you want to bring this out?
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[33:19.920 --> 33:43.000]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, VetPak, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Ryan in
[33:43.000 --> 33:44.000]  California.
[33:44.000 --> 33:45.000]  So, Ryan.
[33:45.000 --> 33:46.000]  Yes, sir.
[33:46.000 --> 33:50.560]  What do you think it would take to get your license back?
[33:50.560 --> 33:59.640]  Well, I filled out all the paperwork that I know to fill out.
[33:59.640 --> 34:06.920]  I was informed by the board that returning an attorney wouldn't be necessary.
[34:06.920 --> 34:13.800]  It would be too expensive for me, but I don't want to do it wrong either.
[34:13.800 --> 34:22.240]  There is a stipulation, once you are approved or are scheduled for a hearing, if there's
[34:22.240 --> 34:27.040]  any reason for denial, you have to wait another year before you can even apply, and then you
[34:27.040 --> 34:28.600]  go back on the waiting list.
[34:28.600 --> 34:36.400]  I've been waiting since, oh gosh, October, I believe, and they have quarterly meetings.
[34:36.400 --> 34:42.240]  So, I did fill out their forms, and yeah.
[34:42.240 --> 34:47.120]  Can you apply in another state?
[34:47.120 --> 34:48.120]  That would be nice.
[34:48.120 --> 34:51.240]  I don't believe that it's possible.
[34:51.240 --> 34:55.160]  They do, certain states have reciprocation.
[34:55.160 --> 35:02.040]  We have national licensing examinations and so forth, and there is some reciprocation
[35:02.040 --> 35:03.280]  between states.
[35:03.280 --> 35:07.480]  For example, my California license was in good standing.
[35:07.480 --> 35:11.720]  I could go to Washington, pay MSD, fill out some forms, and have a license in Washington,
[35:11.720 --> 35:15.360]  but not necessarily in Oregon, there'd be some extra tests.
[35:15.360 --> 35:20.320]  I suppose that it's possible that I could apply in other states.
[35:20.320 --> 35:23.320]  I haven't held a hope.
[35:23.320 --> 35:24.320]  Well, okay.
[35:24.320 --> 35:30.720]  So, let's say you're in California, and your license gets revoked there, and your
[35:30.720 --> 35:36.120]  parents live in Washington state, and they're ill, and you have to go to Washington state
[35:36.120 --> 35:41.400]  and stay there and take care of your parents, but you need your license back.
[35:41.400 --> 35:48.440]  Is going to be a provision to where you can go to the state of Washington and ask them
[35:48.440 --> 35:57.200]  to review the revocation in California and reinstate your license from Washington.
[35:57.200 --> 36:06.240]  If they have reciprocity, they're going to have reciprocity both ways.
[36:06.240 --> 36:09.680]  That's an interesting concept right there.
[36:09.680 --> 36:15.120]  That is something that you could request.
[36:15.120 --> 36:18.800]  People call me about law, and I'm not an attorney.
[36:18.800 --> 36:30.040]  A lot of times, most of what I do is I look at things and think, what would a reasonable
[36:30.040 --> 36:36.520]  person of ordinary prudence think in this circumstance, or what would a reasonable person
[36:36.520 --> 36:42.560]  of ordinary prudence do in these circumstances to handle these issues?
[36:42.560 --> 36:50.320]  If something seems like it ought to be a certain way, it almost always is, and when I go back
[36:50.320 --> 36:53.840]  and check the law, it almost always comes out that way.
[36:53.840 --> 37:00.560]  That's if we can think of things from a neutral perspective.
[37:00.560 --> 37:05.520]  If we look at things just from our own focused individual perspective, we sometimes get all
[37:05.520 --> 37:12.520]  screwed up, but from a neutral party perspective, what is right, just, and reasonable, I find
[37:12.520 --> 37:18.760]  is almost always the case in law.
[37:18.760 --> 37:26.080]  If you have to move to another state for some reason, if there is reciprocity, there is
[37:26.080 --> 37:34.240]  certainly reciprocity that goes to reinstating your license.
[37:34.240 --> 37:42.520]  You might look at the states that have the least stringent requirements, the ones that
[37:42.520 --> 37:50.760]  need chiropractors more than another state, so that once you get reinstated there, then
[37:50.760 --> 37:58.760]  you can come back to California or anywhere else and be able to just transfer it.
[37:58.760 --> 38:18.840]  There is more than one way of getting at this thing.
[38:18.840 --> 38:24.880]  You might start questioning and finding out which states need chiropractors more than
[38:24.880 --> 38:33.320]  others, or which states are more likely to reinstate you.
[38:33.320 --> 38:34.320]  That shouldn't take too long.
[38:34.320 --> 38:43.720]  That's a great idea, and you know, Randy, what I actually feel slightly more hopeful
[38:43.720 --> 38:51.040]  hearing that than years ago when I considered it for myself the first time is that, let's
[38:51.040 --> 38:58.660]  say the Pacific Northwest, due to its proximity and its beauty, I should love it up there
[38:58.660 --> 39:06.760]  and wouldn't mind living there, they had a very bleak view, legally speaking, of marijuana,
[39:06.760 --> 39:14.160]  and I did not want to risk taking that history up there for them to review.
[39:14.160 --> 39:22.840]  In the last few years, their laws have gone very different.
[39:22.840 --> 39:26.760]  Now maybe not for chiropractors, but for the general public.
[39:26.760 --> 39:33.320]  Yeah, the whole issue of marijuana, you know, your license is revoked in California for
[39:33.320 --> 39:36.320]  something that's legal in Washington.
[39:36.320 --> 39:37.320]  Yes.
[39:37.320 --> 39:45.080]  That's likely to give them a whole different perspective, Washington, Colorado, there are
[39:45.080 --> 39:54.160]  a number of states, I wouldn't suggest Colorado, because just a couple of times I was in Colorado,
[39:54.160 --> 39:59.680]  I hated Colorado.
[39:59.680 --> 40:05.880]  I couldn't get past that blue stallion in the airport with the red eyes, I just couldn't
[40:05.880 --> 40:07.840]  get past that.
[40:07.840 --> 40:13.480]  Oh yeah, that was at the great big airport there, huh?
[40:13.480 --> 40:16.760]  Yeah, that's a really creepy airport.
[40:16.760 --> 40:21.080]  Yeah, there's lots of stories about that.
[40:21.080 --> 40:28.840]  When I was in Colorado, I was called there to do some seminars, and the people that brought
[40:28.840 --> 40:33.320]  me there were at each other's throats like a pack of dogs.
[40:33.320 --> 40:38.600]  I'd never been to a place where people seemed so miserable to one another.
[40:38.600 --> 40:45.040]  And in Colorado's defense, I may have just been the group I was exposed to, but I was,
[40:45.040 --> 40:47.520]  I couldn't wait to get out of there.
[40:47.520 --> 40:53.240]  Go back to Texas where people smile at you on occasion.
[40:53.240 --> 41:03.040]  I shouldn't pick on Colorado, but yeah, I would look at states, if you're free to relocate,
[41:03.040 --> 41:10.200]  but certainly look at a place that would be more friendly to your situation, it's certainly
[41:10.200 --> 41:18.000]  worth looking into, and if you want to come back and seek justice later, fine.
[41:18.000 --> 41:27.480]  But I'm going to suggest, I've been fighting this fight for 30 years, and I've got lots
[41:27.480 --> 41:34.240]  of things to be upset about, the caller before you is from Cherokee County.
[41:34.240 --> 41:38.400]  I filed criminal charges with the grand jury in Cherokee County, and the judge I filed
[41:38.400 --> 41:44.320]  against prosecuted me for operating and investigating business without a license.
[41:44.320 --> 41:52.520]  When I was an investigative journalist, they tried me, convicted me, gave me a year in
[41:52.520 --> 42:00.600]  prison, and then after 24 days in solitary confinement, I filled out about 30 criminal
[42:00.600 --> 42:07.800]  complaints and sent them to the court of criminal appeals, and two days later, the prosecuting
[42:07.800 --> 42:10.560]  attorney came in and said, let's make a deal.
[42:10.560 --> 42:19.040]  They got me out of there, but I would really like to go back there and pay them back for
[42:19.040 --> 42:20.040]  what they did to me.
[42:20.040 --> 42:25.880]  The judge now has been removed from the bench, and they're all going to have stuff happen,
[42:25.880 --> 42:32.600]  but that won't lead me toward my intended ultimate outcome.
[42:32.600 --> 42:38.840]  So yeah, they beat me up, yeah, they subjected me to major misery, and I could go back and
[42:38.840 --> 42:45.720]  fight them and beat them up back, but that's not going to lead me toward my intended outcome
[42:45.720 --> 42:49.040]  in the end.
[42:49.040 --> 42:55.760]  Sometimes I've got to take some lumps, three dislocated ribs, two broken collarbones, broken
[42:55.760 --> 42:59.040]  elbow, and a tooth knocked out.
[42:59.040 --> 43:05.440]  That's part of the injustice I've paid for trying to find justice.
[43:05.440 --> 43:16.080]  Okay, I'll pay those debts and stay focused on what's most important to me, and once you
[43:16.080 --> 43:21.400]  get back on your feet, then if you want to come back and fight them, call me.
[43:21.400 --> 43:28.600]  I will show you how to do it, but do it from a position of power, and the only problem
[43:28.600 --> 43:36.040]  you will have with doing it the way I suggest is that it can become way too much fun.
[43:36.040 --> 43:45.640]  It's a whole other animal, when you go in and pick the fight, then they pick it for
[43:45.640 --> 43:46.640]  you.
[43:46.640 --> 43:52.840]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Rue de la Radio, I call it number, wait a minute, Randy Kelton,
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[46:20.560 --> 46:44.640]  We are back from break.
[46:44.640 --> 46:49.680]  This is rule of law radio with Randy Kelton and Vette Pack.
[46:49.680 --> 46:52.680]  We are on the phone right now with Ryan from California.
[46:52.680 --> 47:02.960]  Okay, Ryan, so do we have a direction, is there anything else, any questions or comments
[47:02.960 --> 47:03.960]  you need?
[47:03.960 --> 47:04.960]  Yes, sir.
[47:04.960 --> 47:06.960]  I had one more question.
[47:06.960 --> 47:12.840]  You had mentioned an action that I may take regarding my student loan, I think it's a
[47:12.840 --> 47:13.840]  good one.
[47:13.840 --> 47:20.800]  And what about the tax liens that have been, that have encouraged me to remain in a cash
[47:20.800 --> 47:21.800]  basis economy?
[47:21.800 --> 47:28.160]  You know, they've tried to attach wages in the past and if I have an account, they'll
[47:28.160 --> 47:31.160]  certainly freeze the assets.
[47:31.160 --> 47:41.160]  I see that as a pretty big hindrance to both, even with a license or if you were in headed
[47:41.160 --> 47:42.160]  with that.
[47:42.160 --> 47:49.320]  If you are a, ask to your license, how does bankruptcy affect your licensing?
[47:49.320 --> 47:52.200]  Okay, wait, let me back up, back up.
[47:52.200 --> 48:02.680]  You said they, someone, by they do you mean the student loan people or someone else coming
[48:02.680 --> 48:04.160]  after your assets?
[48:04.160 --> 48:16.080]  Oh, this would be state tax for past years and in federal tax, I presume.
[48:16.080 --> 48:20.160]  I think they're both have wings, I guess Mike.
[48:20.160 --> 48:31.920]  Oh, okay, send me an email, I know some tax people, for the most part, it's a bad idea
[48:31.920 --> 48:34.760]  to fight the tax man.
[48:34.760 --> 48:39.000]  You can work with the tax man, he don't want to fight with you.
[48:39.000 --> 48:45.240]  All he wants to do is to be able to go back and show his boss that I have this account
[48:45.240 --> 48:49.760]  here that was not paying anything.
[48:49.760 --> 48:57.080]  And I got it off the books, either I collected something or for some other reason, I got
[48:57.080 --> 49:00.080]  it off my book, so I don't have to mess with it anymore.
[49:00.080 --> 49:05.880]  And a lot of times, if you get someone who knows what they're doing, instead of fighting
[49:05.880 --> 49:11.960]  the tax guy, you give the tax guy more information than he wants, the vast majority of the tax
[49:11.960 --> 49:14.640]  issues you can take care of.
[49:14.640 --> 49:18.640]  That's good to hear.
[49:18.640 --> 49:26.000]  I'm not certain at this point if a bankruptcy would affect my reinstatements, but I do know
[49:26.000 --> 49:34.440]  that of course you can't bankrupt, you can't list student loans on those as far as I understand
[49:34.440 --> 49:35.440]  it.
[49:35.440 --> 49:40.480]  Student loans and taxes, student loans you can fight.
[49:40.480 --> 49:46.880]  I fight foreclosures, but this is a credit issue, and I might want to get you in contact
[49:46.880 --> 49:50.440]  with Mike Gomiris.
[49:50.440 --> 49:59.480]  Student loan is a debt collector, and he has ways of handling student loans.
[49:59.480 --> 50:08.840]  Send me an email, I'll forward it to Mike Gomiris, he has a program that he sells for
[50:08.840 --> 50:17.480]  I think 250 bucks, Trump change, and he shows you how to go after these guys on debt collectors.
[50:17.480 --> 50:23.200]  I do foreclosure, maybe give me a foreclosure case, I'll give you a hundred ways to hammer
[50:23.200 --> 50:24.200]  them.
[50:24.200 --> 50:31.480]  Mike Gomiris does the same thing with debt collectors and student loan is a debt collector.
[50:31.480 --> 50:34.160]  There are ways of doing it, and we have the resources.
[50:34.160 --> 50:38.760]  I don't get into that part because that's his, so I stay out of it, like Eddie Craig
[50:38.760 --> 50:41.600]  does, the traffic side.
[50:41.600 --> 50:50.000]  Send me an email, and send me an email giving me the basics on what your situation is with
[50:50.000 --> 50:57.840]  the student loan, and then a separate email on what your situation is with the IRS, and
[50:57.840 --> 51:05.040]  I will get these, I'll forward these to people who can probably help you.
[51:05.040 --> 51:10.080]  There are a lot of really cool ways of taking care of this stuff, and we've got a lot of
[51:10.080 --> 51:11.080]  them.
[51:11.080 --> 51:14.520]  It's not the stuff you learned in high school.
[51:14.520 --> 51:15.520]  That's true.
[51:15.520 --> 51:21.680]  Oh, thank goodness, didn't learn anything about this in high school, that's for doggone
[51:21.680 --> 51:22.680]  sure.
[51:22.680 --> 51:30.680]  I was impressed by Mike Gomiris' commercials on your radio program, but not having a background
[51:30.680 --> 51:38.520]  in that, and I just had no idea which way to turn, who to turn to, or what to ask him,
[51:38.520 --> 51:43.120]  but I'll go ahead and send you the information that I'm aware of in two separate emails,
[51:43.120 --> 51:48.120]  and I'll look forward to getting in touch with your people on those topics.
[51:48.120 --> 51:58.760]  Okay, I will give that to them, and one thing you might want to look at also is jurisdictionary.
[51:58.760 --> 52:05.920]  Guys go to law school, and in law school, they teach lawyers how to argue legal issues,
[52:05.920 --> 52:09.120]  but they don't teach them how to practice law.
[52:09.120 --> 52:14.240]  They generally get out of law school, they go to work for a law firm, and the law firm
[52:14.240 --> 52:17.720]  shows them how to do all this stuff, how to file a motion, how to get a motion put on
[52:17.720 --> 52:26.200]  for trial, how to deal with clients, all this stuff that they don't teach in law school.
[52:26.200 --> 52:34.120]  A jurisdictionary will give you legal practice 101.
[52:34.120 --> 52:41.120]  It will, yeah, that's like 250 bucks on this course, it's 24 hours of CDs.
[52:41.120 --> 52:48.920]  When you get done with that, if you call into my show, and you start talking about a legal
[52:48.920 --> 52:52.360]  issue, and I say, well, you need to do this, you'll say, I already did that.
[52:52.360 --> 52:55.440]  Well, you need to do that, I already did that.
[52:55.440 --> 53:01.800]  I can always tell people who've been through jurisdictionary, it gives you information
[53:01.800 --> 53:09.320]  the lawyers for the most part don't know, all the basic stuff you need to know.
[53:09.320 --> 53:19.240]  It will change how you perceive yourself in the environment that surrounds you.
[53:19.240 --> 53:25.760]  When I drive down the street, and these red lights come on behind me, I don't get those
[53:25.760 --> 53:29.240]  butterflies in my stomach anymore.
[53:29.240 --> 53:34.680]  I don't think, oh, no, genius, I got to deal with all this.
[53:34.680 --> 53:40.720]  I think, come on, Bubba, take your best shot.
[53:40.720 --> 53:49.960]  I'm fixing to give you wrong through the legal system, you are not going to believe.
[53:49.960 --> 53:57.800]  These things that have happened to you, had you had jurisdictionary, this garbage would
[53:57.800 --> 54:00.680]  not have happened.
[54:00.680 --> 54:05.520]  They come after me, they are not going to believe the fight they're going to get.
[54:05.520 --> 54:12.000]  I'm in the process of filing criminal charges against a federal judge.
[54:12.000 --> 54:17.680]  I filed a quiet title, the bank removed it to the federal court, I filed a challenge
[54:17.680 --> 54:23.480]  to subject matter jurisdiction instead of a motion to remand.
[54:23.480 --> 54:27.960]  The other side filed a rule 12, the judge dismissed with prejudice on the basis of the
[54:27.960 --> 54:28.960]  rule 12.
[54:28.960 --> 54:34.840]  Is that a fact, Jack, we'll see how that works out for you.
[54:34.840 --> 54:42.040]  I'm going to present him to a grand jury, lawyers will just file an objection or a motion
[54:42.040 --> 54:43.040]  for reconsideration.
[54:43.040 --> 54:50.960]  Now, I'm going to file against him with the grand jury, shall you like that?
[54:50.960 --> 55:01.920]  There is so much we can do with not a whole lot of information, we don't have to be lawyers.
[55:01.920 --> 55:08.280]  This jurisdictionary will give you a basic understanding of how law works.
[55:08.280 --> 55:14.640]  It's not as difficult as it sounds, lawyers won't want you to think it's really complex,
[55:14.640 --> 55:17.240]  but it's not.
[55:17.240 --> 55:24.600]  Michael Mears will give you a really good way to understand that collectors, they do
[55:24.600 --> 55:27.160]  everything wrong.
[55:27.160 --> 55:33.680]  They know they do everything wrong, they don't care, yeah, every once in a while somebody
[55:33.680 --> 55:41.440]  comes along and stings them good, but that's so rare, it's just a cost of doing business.
[55:41.440 --> 55:45.400]  Michael Mears will show you how to be the one that stings them good.
[55:45.400 --> 55:50.720]  We have a guy in Michigan, his first credit card, they dismissed the debt and paid him
[55:50.720 --> 55:56.120]  6,000 to go away and leave him alone, second credit card, they dismissed the debt and paid
[55:56.120 --> 56:01.000]  him 3,500 to go away and leave him alone and he was complaining you didn't have any more
[56:01.000 --> 56:06.000]  credit cards.
[56:06.000 --> 56:11.760]  So there are a lot of things that we could do and we have the resources to show you how
[56:11.760 --> 56:13.160]  to do that.
[56:13.160 --> 56:21.880]  It will change the way you hold yourself in the environment and it serves my interest
[56:21.880 --> 56:31.040]  because it's my purpose to help everybody understand that all our public servants are
[56:31.040 --> 56:38.400]  the servants, you and I, we are the masters, we're the masters of the servants and when
[56:38.400 --> 56:44.480]  we understand that we are the masters of the servants, then we control our servants much
[56:44.480 --> 56:51.520]  better and keep our servants from getting out of line and it doesn't take the whole
[56:51.520 --> 56:59.800]  population, it only takes a few, when you know, I tell everybody that the courts hate
[56:59.800 --> 57:07.200]  pro se litigants, they don't hate pro se litigants because they file stupid pleadings, they like
[57:07.200 --> 57:14.360]  that part, they hate pro se litigants because every once in a while they come across the
[57:14.360 --> 57:25.240]  pro se from hell and we will show you how to be the pro se from hell, the one that holds
[57:25.240 --> 57:33.840]  up the rule of law, this is what the law says you were supposed to do, you didn't do what
[57:33.840 --> 57:39.600]  it says you're supposed to do and this is a crime you committed when you did it and
[57:39.600 --> 57:50.360]  here's my remedy against you, so let's dance, this is what we can help you with and it's
[57:50.360 --> 57:56.680]  valuable to us because if I can get you out there in California or Washington just kicking
[57:56.680 --> 58:04.760]  their beehives, then for every judge that you hammer big time, there's probably a hundred
[58:04.760 --> 58:12.160]  people behind you that won't be mistreated, so God willing I'd be willing to do that,
[58:12.160 --> 58:16.600]  I'm not afraid of a fight, I just don't want to go in with my arm tied behind my back or
[58:16.600 --> 58:24.680]  my brain tied up in this question, this is what we'll do, we'll untie your hands, okay
[58:24.680 --> 58:30.960]  but keep listening to the show, it takes a while for this different mindset to sink in
[58:30.960 --> 58:37.440]  but once it sinks in, you will have way too much fun with it, hang on, about to go to
[58:37.440 --> 58:43.960]  break, Vette you want to bring us out, sure, this is rule of law radio, Randy Kelton and
[58:43.960 --> 58:52.600]  Vette Pat, call us at 512-646-1984, would you like to make more definite progress in
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[01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:13.040]  Inquisition, today in history.
[01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:16.680]  In recent news, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said concerning President Obama's
[01:01:16.680 --> 01:01:20.600]  first visit to Flint, Michigan in response to the lead poisoning crisis that has been
[01:01:20.600 --> 01:01:24.680]  happening there, that quote, this administration will continue to help mobilize the resources
[01:01:24.680 --> 01:01:28.400]  necessary that will allow Flint to recover and come back stronger than ever.
[01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:32.400]  This is not an exercise in finger pointing, this is an exercise in asserting the responsibility
[01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:36.280]  that everybody has to make sure the people of Flint have an opportunity to get back on
[01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:37.280]  their feet.
[01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:41.240]  President Obama did declare a state of emergency in mid-January and ordered federal aid in
[01:01:41.240 --> 01:01:43.560]  addition to the state and local response.
[01:01:43.560 --> 01:01:47.560]  His first priority in Flint is to be updated on the federal response to the crisis and
[01:01:47.560 --> 01:01:55.040]  is even meeting with some city residents.
[01:01:55.040 --> 01:01:58.880]  Israel's Justice Minister Eilat Shaked in an interview with the Washington Post stated
[01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:04.000]  today that quote, in the past we've seen European leaders speaking against the Jews, now we
[01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.240]  see them speaking against Israel.
[01:02:05.240 --> 01:02:10.640]  It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libel spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing
[01:02:10.640 --> 01:02:12.840]  people into hating Israel and the Jews.
[01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.640]  She went as far as to say that the supporters of movements such as BDS, which call for putting
[01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:21.480]  economic and political pressure on Israel in order to achieve compliance with international
[01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:27.000]  law and gain rights for Palestinians are quote, using the same kind of anti-Semitism, but
[01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.520]  instead of saying they're against the Jews, they say that they're against Israel.
[01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:34.160]  In response to comments made in recent weeks by members of Britain's Labour Party claiming
[01:02:34.160 --> 01:02:38.680]  that Hitler was a Zionist and previous remarks by lawmakers that Israel's population should
[01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:43.520]  be transported out of the Middle East to America, Shaked stated that quote, today it is not
[01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:47.880]  politically correct to be anti-Semitic, but being anti-Israeli is acceptable.
[01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.680]  People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership
[01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:52.680]  positions.
[01:02:52.680 --> 01:03:09.920]  This is Rick Rodey with your Lowdown for May 4th, 2016.
[01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:32.760]  We are back, Randy Kelton and Vet Pack with Rule of Law Radio.
[01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:38.080]  And we are talking to Ryan in California.
[01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:39.080]  Hello Ryan.
[01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:40.080]  Okay.
[01:03:40.080 --> 01:03:41.080]  Yes, Randy.
[01:03:41.080 --> 01:03:45.120]  Do you have any other questions or comments?
[01:03:45.120 --> 01:03:54.800]  Well let's see, I'll try to make this a short one, beyond the best of my ability here, because
[01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:05.120]  I've been working security as much as possible since that incident to try to make ends meet.
[01:04:05.120 --> 01:04:09.880]  And I don't want to get into a whole other case, but there's a person trying to chase
[01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:15.600]  me around with a subpoena over a work-related incident.
[01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:26.400]  And I'm wondering if for the moment, since I'm not that easy to find, if your first suggestion
[01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:36.480]  of stabilizing and getting into a better position to fight would also apply to this, presuming
[01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.680]  that this doesn't get served on me.
[01:04:38.680 --> 01:04:42.360]  Oh, this guy wants to serve you or something?
[01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:43.360]  What would you say?
[01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:44.360]  Yes.
[01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:46.560]  It's a civil case.
[01:04:46.560 --> 01:04:55.960]  Again, I was named and the restaurant bar nightclub was also named on this case.
[01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:01.680]  And in short, this fellow attacked a busboy who was outside on his break.
[01:05:01.680 --> 01:05:04.480]  I shoved him away and the kid went to the hospital.
[01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:10.920]  I was put in jail a week later overnight and bailed out, which I have an issue with.
[01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:17.920]  No criminal charges were filed after four hearing dates got dismissed.
[01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.840]  I'd like to deal with that at some point.
[01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.440]  What, is he trying to sue you, silly?
[01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:25.440]  Yes.
[01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:26.440]  Oh, good.
[01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:27.440]  Okay.
[01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.440]  We can help you with that.
[01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:31.440]  Countersuit.
[01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:36.960]  Oh, we have got so many tools for that.
[01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.240]  Your first thing you do is, this is unethical.
[01:05:43.240 --> 01:05:52.520]  This is just shyster practices, dirty, rotten, stinking, low down.
[01:05:52.520 --> 01:05:56.520]  I'll grieve his attorney.
[01:05:56.520 --> 01:05:59.280]  His attorney will get apoplexy.
[01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.040]  Okay.
[01:06:01.040 --> 01:06:03.960]  We can help you with that.
[01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:08.800]  I would not dodge service.
[01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:19.080]  You could once, this is, if it's over, you're intervening in a physical altercation between
[01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:32.280]  two other people, you're in pretty good standing and there are so many things you can do to,
[01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.880]  you can do things that a lawyer can't do.
[01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:44.200]  If this other guy has a lawyer representing him, the lawyer is absolutely vulnerable and
[01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:49.760]  we can almost certainly show you how to get the other lawyer to want to drop you from
[01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:50.760]  the suit.
[01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.840]  They're not going to want you anyway because you don't have any pockets.
[01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:55.840]  Right.
[01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:01.640]  They want the restaurant order, so I wouldn't avoid the service.
[01:07:01.640 --> 01:07:04.800]  In Texas, it's a felony to avoid service.
[01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:13.360]  Well, not so much of an avoidance as much as I don't have an address.
[01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:17.480]  You might want to just go ahead and take the service and then talk to us about it and we're
[01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.480]  sure you had to go after them.
[01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:26.560]  I used to have concerns about that kind of thing, not anymore.
[01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:30.200]  They want to sue me, we'll fight.
[01:07:30.200 --> 01:07:36.000]  I'll give you a romp through the legal system you won't believe.
[01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:44.720]  If you heard Scott earlier, Scott, he was in court on a traffic issue and he raised
[01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:49.400]  the right to travel and the judge shouted him down, told him he wasn't going to have
[01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:52.400]  any of that kind of stuff in his courtroom.
[01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:54.400]  So what do you do?
[01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.960]  Well, he filed criminal charges as a grand jury, of course.
[01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:07.560]  The judge, you won't have yourself an attitude, we'll tear your attitude off and see how that
[01:08:07.560 --> 01:08:09.800]  works for you.
[01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.760]  As a pro se, you can do that.
[01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:21.160]  The lawyer never would because the lawyer comes into court dangling by his bar card.
[01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:23.680]  You're not.
[01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:28.160]  The first thing to understand, you don't care if the judge doesn't like you.
[01:08:28.160 --> 01:08:30.960]  That's not out of criteria.
[01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:36.200]  I had a judge tell me once that he didn't like where I was going.
[01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:41.200]  Well, I don't really care what you like.
[01:08:41.200 --> 01:08:46.480]  I'm here to put the law and the facts on the record and I don't care what you like or don't
[01:08:46.480 --> 01:08:47.480]  like.
[01:08:47.480 --> 01:08:50.800]  And if you have likes or don't likes, you need to leave those at home.
[01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.360]  Anyway, we can help you handle that.
[01:08:54.360 --> 01:08:58.400]  I definitely wouldn't avoid the service.
[01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:06.600]  Yeah, it's been easy because I've been so transient really between locations and work
[01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:07.600]  anyway.
[01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:14.120]  I've only just recently opened a PO box but haven't even mailed something to you.
[01:09:14.120 --> 01:09:22.680]  But I could get in touch with the restaurant or the bar, their attorney and of course that
[01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:23.680]  would be it.
[01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:24.680]  Yeah.
[01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:25.680]  Get a call over to the restaurant.
[01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:35.600]  They're almost certainly they'll represent you because you're at their bar and this occurs.
[01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:44.560]  If the other side sues you and the bar's attorney doesn't handle your side, then you're likely
[01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:50.520]  to sue the bar or you're likely to make a deal with the other side and turn against
[01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:51.520]  them.
[01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.520]  They'll protect you.
[01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:59.960]  I was afraid that they wouldn't because if they can throw me under the bus, legally speaking,
[01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:03.920]  then they would hope to indemnify themselves.
[01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:07.160]  Even though they didn't fire me afterwards, I wasn't disciplined and of course, had I
[01:10:07.160 --> 01:10:11.160]  not intervened, I would have been fired, I had a duty obligation.
[01:10:11.160 --> 01:10:14.960]  Oh, so you were working for the bar?
[01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:15.960]  Yes.
[01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.840]  Oh, you don't have a problem anyway.
[01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.040]  You're covered.
[01:10:22.040 --> 01:10:27.240]  They have to name you, but you're covered by the bar.
[01:10:27.240 --> 01:10:33.560]  Oh, yes, of course, the liability and so forth, personal injuries and all that stuff.
[01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.880]  Of course, I'd be covered under their insurance, I was on payroll.
[01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:37.880]  Yeah.
[01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.920]  So you don't have to worry about that.
[01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:47.400]  And on duty at the time, but I was inconvenienced and had to bail out.
[01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:50.360]  The bar hasn't paid me back for my bail or anything like that.
[01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:54.720]  They did offer to pay for my defense if anything went that way.
[01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.120]  And you know, word to the grapevine is it is going that way.
[01:10:58.120 --> 01:11:03.520]  Well, yeah, then they're going to be liable in any case.
[01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.360]  So they'll almost have to and they're insured for that purpose.
[01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:17.600]  Yeah, of course, and you recommend that I just allow their attorney to proceed?
[01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.600]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:24.440]  You want to see what they're charging, and then we'll give you an idea of how to go back
[01:11:24.440 --> 01:11:25.440]  at them.
[01:11:25.440 --> 01:11:26.440]  Wow.
[01:11:26.440 --> 01:11:34.040]  Okay, so get the information and then get a hold of you with whatever I can find out
[01:11:34.040 --> 01:11:35.040]  and stuff.
[01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:36.040]  Yes.
[01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:42.200]  And then we'll talk about on the show how to go after them.
[01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:48.400]  One thing about a court case, there is always something you can do.
[01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:54.800]  You'll never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.080]  To think so is naive.
[01:11:58.080 --> 01:12:02.680]  You win the case if you have the politics on your side.
[01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:10.960]  And pro-says can manipulate the politics like nobody else.
[01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:19.520]  It's not the way they told you it was in high school.
[01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.920]  Would I be pro-say if their attorney is defending me?
[01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:31.760]  No, but you see, their attorney can defend you, but you're also able to do things on
[01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:38.160]  your own like file bar grievances against opposing counsel, judicial conduct complaints
[01:12:38.160 --> 01:12:43.320]  against the judge just to be annoying, criminal complaints against the party on the other
[01:12:43.320 --> 01:12:44.320]  side.
[01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:47.160]  There's all kinds of stuff you can do.
[01:12:47.160 --> 01:12:51.160]  Oh, that's good to know.
[01:12:51.160 --> 01:12:54.040]  Oh, yeah, you got lots of options.
[01:12:54.040 --> 01:12:56.360]  Okay, I need to move on.
[01:12:56.360 --> 01:13:04.000]  We've got Rob from New Mexico, and I'm hoping he's here to do some crowing.
[01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:10.720]  He's been winning some lately, and that's not bad for a truck driver because you know
[01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:21.120]  how truck drivers are, diesel fumes cause deadheading, and Rob never finds my truck
[01:13:21.120 --> 01:13:24.000]  driver jokes as funny as I do.
[01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:34.800]  Okay, thank you, Ryan, but give me those emails, and then keep us up to speed on what happens.
[01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.880]  I will, and thank you again for all your time.
[01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:38.440]  It's been really valuable.
[01:13:38.440 --> 01:13:39.920]  I really appreciate it.
[01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:41.960]  Okay, thank you, Ryan.
[01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:43.960]  Now we're going to go to Rob in New Mexico.
[01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.960]  Rob, did we put you to sleep?
[01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.880]  No, there's the diesel fumes.
[01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:55.200]  I should have got carbon monoxide and brain damage, but I'm dead now.
[01:13:55.200 --> 01:13:56.640]  You heard that, did you?
[01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:04.000]  Rob, do you know what the difference between a truck driver and a puppy dog is?
[01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  No.
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:10.760]  A puppy dog will quit whining after about six weeks.
[01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:11.760]  Okay.
[01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:12.760]  You're so mean.
[01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:23.040]  I've got 25 years at the end of this month, and I ain't quit whining yet, so.
[01:14:23.040 --> 01:14:25.640]  See, it fits.
[01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.280]  Okay, have you quit whining at your legal opponents?
[01:14:30.280 --> 01:14:35.360]  Oh no, I whine at them on a regular basis.
[01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:37.800]  So here's what we have now.
[01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:41.320]  Did you buy any chance to get my email I sent it after the show started?
[01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:44.880]  No, I did not.
[01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.000]  That would require multitasking.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.680]  I am old.
[01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.680]  I do not multitask.
[01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:52.680]  Gotcha.
[01:14:52.680 --> 01:15:02.600]  I met with the attorney for the sellers today at his office, which is also the office of
[01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:09.480]  the debt collector attorney and the debt collector trust company that I sued in federal court.
[01:15:09.480 --> 01:15:11.480]  So that was fun.
[01:15:11.480 --> 01:15:13.840]  Wait a minute.
[01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:16.320]  Debt collector trust company?
[01:15:16.320 --> 01:15:20.560]  So this is not your foreclosure issue?
[01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:21.560]  Trust company.
[01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:24.560]  Oh, trust company, okay.
[01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:31.000]  So they're all in the same office building, different suites, but they're all under the
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:32.400]  same roof.
[01:15:32.400 --> 01:15:38.000]  And the debt collector attorney is one of the directors of the trust company.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.240]  So that gets real interesting.
[01:15:41.240 --> 01:15:46.280]  But I met with the attorney for the sellers for the purpose of viewing and inspecting
[01:15:46.280 --> 01:15:51.800]  the original escrow documents, which he appeared to have.
[01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:57.600]  They had the actual stamp from the court of court filing.
[01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:02.880]  They had the actual raised notary stamp by the signatures.
[01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:05.900]  So that all looked legit.
[01:16:05.900 --> 01:16:12.760]  This is what my email to you goes to up in the top right, or I'm sorry, top left and
[01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:19.640]  towards the middle, there's a bunch of staple holes, like a bunch of staple holes.
[01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.200]  And I asked him what those were from.
[01:16:22.200 --> 01:16:23.200]  And he said, oh, I don't know.
[01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:25.000]  I said, well, they look like staple holes.
[01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.600]  They said, well, I don't know that they're staple holes.
[01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.600]  I said, well, either they're staple holes or a cat chute on it.
[01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:36.360]  And he said, well, they're probably from when the contract was taken apart, the photo
[01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:37.360]  copy.
[01:16:37.360 --> 01:16:46.560]  Okay, hang on about to go to break that you want to take this out.
[01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:47.560]  You got it.
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[01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:53.360]  Okay, Mr. Rob, okay, you had a meeting with these guys and they were explaining away the
[01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:56.360]  staple holes.
[01:19:56.360 --> 01:19:57.360]  Exactly.
[01:19:57.360 --> 01:20:00.240]  Trying to anyway, not doing a very good job of it.
[01:20:00.240 --> 01:20:05.480]  So what I'm looking at now, I went back and looked at all the other copies that have been
[01:20:05.480 --> 01:20:08.720]  given of the contract prior to this.
[01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:15.200]  Now this is, you know, they got it back, allegedly, after, you know, the alleged default when
[01:20:15.200 --> 01:20:20.680]  they filed in the county records and filed the special warranty deed, conveying the property
[01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:22.800]  back to the sellers.
[01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:29.440]  All of the copies prior to this one, the first page is folded over, you know, there's a fold
[01:20:29.440 --> 01:20:35.640]  mark in the upper left-hand corner, like there's something over page one.
[01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:39.120]  And I never noticed that until today.
[01:20:39.120 --> 01:20:43.640]  So I don't know what they've had attached and removed to this.
[01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.640]  He's claiming nothing.
[01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:50.920]  So what do I do with that?
[01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:55.960]  I don't know that it would matter.
[01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:01.640]  Is the contract that you signed complete?
[01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:08.280]  Well, what do you mean complete?
[01:21:08.280 --> 01:21:10.840]  I mean, are all the pages there?
[01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:15.200]  Yeah, all the pages were there that he showed me today.
[01:21:15.200 --> 01:21:22.280]  Okay, there's some stuff will go floating around the internet about staple holes.
[01:21:22.280 --> 01:21:30.840]  But the only time that has any credence is where a mortgage may have been transferred,
[01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:41.600]  a mortgage or a debt transferred between various parties and where the indication is that there
[01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:48.880]  was an allonge attached to the note.
[01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:57.360]  So if you're looking at a note and you, it has staple holes, especially in the last page,
[01:21:57.360 --> 01:22:02.320]  that's an indication there may have been an allonge attached to it.
[01:22:02.320 --> 01:22:08.080]  But I've heard these arguments about staple holes, and for the most part, they come up
[01:22:08.080 --> 01:22:12.200]  with a patriot mythology.
[01:22:12.200 --> 01:22:20.200]  There's certainly nothing in law about staple holes, and I've heard guys argue that a document
[01:22:20.200 --> 01:22:28.520]  that has staple holes in it is not an original document, unless whatever was stapled to it
[01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.120]  still stapled to it.
[01:22:30.120 --> 01:22:33.720]  Well, I haven't found any law to back that up.
[01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:36.640]  That's just some stuff somebody said.
[01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.040]  Right.
[01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:41.480]  There could be a lot of things stapled to it.
[01:22:41.480 --> 01:22:47.960]  It could be a rubber band staple to it that, I don't know, it could be anything.
[01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:52.840]  There's nothing to indicate that there was anything of any relevance stapled to it unless
[01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:56.840]  something of specific relevance is missing from the document.
[01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:06.600]  Well, and my question is, as far as that goes, is these other copies prior to it being returned,
[01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:11.000]  and this goes also to what I said about this guy being in the same office as the trust
[01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:16.520]  company, what was that first page that got folded over on all the previous copies?
[01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:22.600]  Well, did it just have a dogeared page and somebody folded it back?
[01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:31.840]  No, you can clearly tell that there is a page preceding page one that's folded over in the
[01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:38.560]  middle of it. Okay, well, somebody might have put a cover page on it saying, I get documents
[01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:42.360]  from the court and there's a cover page that just has my name and address in the middle
[01:23:42.360 --> 01:23:43.360]  of it.
[01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:44.360]  Right.
[01:23:44.360 --> 01:23:50.240]  I've got one right here, an order from the court, and the first page is blank except
[01:23:50.240 --> 01:23:53.280]  for my name and address right in the middle of it.
[01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:57.840]  I turn that over and the order is underneath.
[01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:04.640]  Just because there's staple holes or just because there was a page on top does not necessarily
[01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:15.640]  give cause to believe that a material portion of the document has been removed.
[01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:27.800]  Now, I always number my pages one of whatever, so if a document is removed, then it's clearer
[01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:32.000]  from observing the document that it's removed.
[01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:38.240]  If something's been added to the top that wasn't there when you created it or when you
[01:24:38.240 --> 01:24:46.440]  signed it and then it was taken away, I don't see how it could have any relevance.
[01:24:46.440 --> 01:24:54.880]  Okay. What about the fact that you got really agitated when I asked them about it?
[01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:59.560]  Well, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.
[01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:06.440]  He's just maybe concerned that you're going to raise an issue that's meritless, but he's
[01:25:06.440 --> 01:25:08.920]  going to have to argue the issue.
[01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:14.040]  The hardest thing to argue is something that somebody just made up.
[01:25:14.040 --> 01:25:20.880]  Well, that sounds like it is something I should go after then.
[01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:30.680]  It might lead to something, but as far as something you can bring into court, it doesn't
[01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:31.680]  mean anything.
[01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:40.360]  I've had a number of guys make this staple hole argument, but I have never found anything
[01:25:40.360 --> 01:25:43.120]  of substance to support it.
[01:25:43.120 --> 01:25:47.920]  You know, I'm always looking for good arguments we can bring.
[01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:48.920]  Right.
[01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:49.920]  Okay.
[01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:56.240]  Then let's move from there to a slightly more pressing issue.
[01:25:56.240 --> 01:26:01.520]  You know, the trust company, you know, sued them first in state court under the unfair
[01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:08.480]  practice of that, and they got summary judgment, so that got dismissed.
[01:26:08.480 --> 01:26:12.760]  Then they subsequently filed an affidavit of cost.
[01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:17.480]  Wait, did you file an appeal on the summary judgment?
[01:26:17.480 --> 01:26:24.720]  No, I didn't, I just amended my federal complaint to add them as a debt collector in the FDCPA
[01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:25.720]  case.
[01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:29.720]  That was easier to master.
[01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.640]  Did you bar grade the attorneys in that case?
[01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:33.640]  Of course.
[01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:34.640]  Okay.
[01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:38.600]  Then if they put in a- Randy, would you explain?
[01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:39.600]  I'm sorry.
[01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:42.480]  Randy, would you explain what bar grade means?
[01:26:42.480 --> 01:26:43.840]  Oh, yeah.
[01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:51.480]  The American Bar Association sets out a set of standards for attorneys.
[01:26:51.480 --> 01:26:58.200]  And if an attorney breaches one of those standards, then you can file a complaint with the licensing
[01:26:58.200 --> 01:26:59.200]  boards.
[01:26:59.200 --> 01:27:04.200]  American Bar Association, I'm sorry, each state has its own.
[01:27:04.200 --> 01:27:10.280]  If you practice in DC or only in the federal venue, then you'll be under the American Bar
[01:27:10.280 --> 01:27:11.280]  Association.
[01:27:11.280 --> 01:27:17.920]  Every state has their own state bar association.
[01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:27.480]  And that is the entity that polices licensed attorneys.
[01:27:27.480 --> 01:27:41.720]  That is the only place where the licensee, licensees police themselves.
[01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:46.780]  If you're a doctor, they have a special board that's not doctors that police you.
[01:27:46.780 --> 01:27:53.800]  If you're a plumber, electrician, a private investigator, they all have boards that are
[01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:58.800]  not licensed, they have attorneys and non-attorneys, I'm sorry, that have licensed personnel and
[01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:01.240]  non-licensed policing it.
[01:28:01.240 --> 01:28:05.200]  The only one that polices themselves is the bar association.
[01:28:05.200 --> 01:28:06.200]  Okay.
[01:28:06.200 --> 01:28:15.360]  If you file a bar grievance against a lawyer, the lawyer will get, I'm sorry, the bar, my
[01:28:15.360 --> 01:28:17.600]  tank is getting toggled.
[01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:22.940]  If you file a bar grievance against a lawyer, the state bar association will get that grievance
[01:28:22.940 --> 01:28:27.520]  and they will throw it in the trash.
[01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:32.400]  You'll get this letter back from the bar saying, we examined into your complaint and find it
[01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:36.640]  does not rise to the level of misconduct.
[01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:41.200]  Everyone I've ever filed, I got that back.
[01:28:41.200 --> 01:28:46.480]  So people tend to think, well, if you file a complaint with the bar, the bar is not going
[01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:47.480]  to do anything.
[01:28:47.480 --> 01:28:49.040]  And that is exactly right.
[01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:51.200]  They're not.
[01:28:51.200 --> 01:28:55.280]  And that's a good thing.
[01:28:55.280 --> 01:29:02.320]  The reason it's a good thing is their insurance carrier knows that the bar will throw it in
[01:29:02.320 --> 01:29:04.140]  the trash.
[01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:09.080]  So how does the insurance carrier measure its level of risk?
[01:29:09.080 --> 01:29:15.900]  By filing bar grievances, they throw them all in the trash, by the numbers.
[01:29:15.900 --> 01:29:20.320]  One bar grievance your first year of practice, they will cancel immediately.
[01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:24.360]  Two bar grievances, any one year of practice, they'll cancel.
[01:29:24.360 --> 01:29:28.360]  Three, they'll cancel your law firm's malpractice insurance.
[01:29:28.360 --> 01:29:31.880]  I had a lawyer tell me that is partly unfair.
[01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:39.320]  And I stood there grinning from ear to ear, agreeing with him wholeheartedly.
[01:29:39.320 --> 01:29:44.480]  That's what I'm talking about with bar grievances, one of the most powerful things proceeds can
[01:29:44.480 --> 01:29:45.480]  do.
[01:29:45.480 --> 01:29:46.480]  Okay.
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[01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:34.240]  This is Rule of Law Radio with Leanne D. Kelton at Zetpack.
[01:33:34.240 --> 01:33:36.720]  Before we get started, I have a quick question for you.
[01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:42.920]  So we were talking about bar grievances, and I've got this question with this.
[01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:46.940]  So in order to throw a bar grievance, how does one do that?
[01:33:46.940 --> 01:33:50.120]  Do you have to know the laws against the lawyer?
[01:33:50.120 --> 01:33:54.320]  I mean, how do you know where to pull one of these?
[01:33:54.320 --> 01:33:55.320]  Okay.
[01:33:55.320 --> 01:33:57.840]  This is the good part about bar grievances.
[01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:06.200]  Now, we have the American Bar Association standards, and most states, all but three, have adopted
[01:34:06.200 --> 01:34:14.000]  the model American Bar Association standards, and then they've made minor adjustments themselves.
[01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:20.440]  But the only ones that need to know what those are are the lawyers.
[01:34:20.440 --> 01:34:25.760]  You and I, we can grieve them for anything.
[01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:32.320]  I can file a bar grievance and claim that that no good, dirty, rotten schreister parts
[01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:36.600]  his hair on the left, if you can believe that.
[01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:37.600]  He should be disbarred.
[01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:38.600]  Really?
[01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:39.600]  Yeah.
[01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:40.600]  Really?
[01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:41.600]  Yeah.
[01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.120]  The bar is going to send me a letter back saying we examined into your accusation and
[01:34:45.120 --> 01:34:49.320]  find it does not rise to the level of misconduct.
[01:34:49.320 --> 01:34:59.720]  I can say the lawyer took this grieving widow's money and then took her house and sold it
[01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:03.920]  and had her evicted on the street, out onto the street.
[01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:08.640]  And I'll get this letter from the bar that says, we examined into your accusation and
[01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.640]  find it does not rise to the level of misconduct.
[01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:18.680]  It makes no difference what you accuse a lawyer of.
[01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:25.040]  If it's valid, invalid, it makes no difference.
[01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:29.600]  For the most part, anything that doesn't seem right is not.
[01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:35.520]  And if you read through the standards, you'll be amazed at what you can grieve them for.
[01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:40.000]  But I'm saying it doesn't matter.
[01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.800]  Grieve them because they part their hair the wrong way.
[01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.000]  You didn't create this mess for them.
[01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:46.000]  They did.
[01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:52.360]  Okay, so what if you have a lawyer that you hired and you feel as though that this lawyer
[01:35:52.360 --> 01:35:57.920]  hasn't represented you to what you need, but they told you from the very beginning, oh
[01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:02.840]  yes, I can do your case, we can get this, I feel 70% sure that we're going to win this
[01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:03.840]  case.
[01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:06.240]  And you get into it, halfway into it.
[01:36:06.240 --> 01:36:07.240]  They want more money.
[01:36:07.240 --> 01:36:08.400]  They want more money.
[01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:11.200]  And you don't feel like you've accomplished a damn thing.
[01:36:11.200 --> 01:36:15.960]  So can you throw a bar grievance at them for saying that you don't feel like you've accomplished
[01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:20.240]  it, feel like they misrepresented the fact that they could represent you?
[01:36:20.240 --> 01:36:21.860]  Absolutely.
[01:36:21.860 --> 01:36:26.200]  The point is you can bar grieve them for anything you don't like.
[01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:33.480]  And unfortunately, as far as the bar is concerned, it doesn't matter what you grieve them for.
[01:36:33.480 --> 01:36:35.800]  The bar is not going to act against them.
[01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:38.960]  So do they know that they were bar grievance?
[01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:42.600]  Oh yes, absolutely they know.
[01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:48.720]  And the worst part for the lawyer is when they're grieved, they have to notify their
[01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:51.800]  insurance carrier.
[01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:58.960]  They have to tell on themselves because if they don't, then they're not insured.
[01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:05.240]  And the point is, the bar is not going to pay any attention to what you file against
[01:37:05.240 --> 01:37:08.560]  a lawyer, no matter what it is.
[01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:15.880]  So you can bar grieve them for anything.
[01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:17.120]  How would you go about doing that?
[01:37:17.120 --> 01:37:24.760]  Say the person like Scott earlier, this happened seven years ago or whatever.
[01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:30.160]  And you feel like, well, if I had have had a better lawyer, she would have said that
[01:37:30.160 --> 01:37:33.880]  she couldn't represent me to my best, but here's someone she thinks could have represented
[01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:34.880]  me.
[01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:44.360]  And I mean, could you possibly see that you could make, would she possibly try something
[01:37:44.360 --> 01:37:46.360]  with you?
[01:37:46.360 --> 01:37:53.720]  Seven years is really too long to try to achieve any remedy.
[01:37:53.720 --> 01:38:02.320]  I mean, you could bar grieve the lawyer and even if the bar grievance is out of time for
[01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:09.440]  something that's absolutely doesn't matter, it's going to hurt the lawyer anyway.
[01:38:09.440 --> 01:38:14.560]  And you know, lawyers complain about that, that I can bar grieve them because they part
[01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:19.200]  their hair on the left and it's going to double their malpractice insurance.
[01:38:19.200 --> 01:38:24.320]  And I say, sorry, guys, you created this mess.
[01:38:24.320 --> 01:38:27.360]  You made it so that a bar grievance means nothing.
[01:38:27.360 --> 01:38:30.160]  That's why the insurance carrier stings you so hard.
[01:38:30.160 --> 01:38:32.880]  So how do you file that?
[01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:41.720]  Oh, you can go to the state bar association and they have a grievance form on their website.
[01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:48.440]  Now if your lawyer's done a number of things, don't put them all in one grievance.
[01:38:48.440 --> 01:38:51.560]  Don't file them all at the same time.
[01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:56.200]  Because if you do, the bar will treat it like one grievance.
[01:38:56.200 --> 01:39:01.360]  So you file them a week apart for each thing he's done.
[01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:05.000]  And that way they come in as separate grievances.
[01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:10.200]  Now you'll get a notice back from the bar that says be examined into your accusation
[01:39:10.200 --> 01:39:13.880]  and find it does not rise to the level of misconduct.
[01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:19.200]  And I can assure you that is exactly what it says.
[01:39:19.200 --> 01:39:25.280]  It doesn't matter what state you're in, they all say the same thing.
[01:39:25.280 --> 01:39:27.480]  It's how bad it is.
[01:39:27.480 --> 01:39:30.880]  So you're going to get that so don't feel frustrated.
[01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:37.760]  It's a good thing because what they're not going to tell you is you're going to double
[01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.440]  their malpractice insurance.
[01:39:40.440 --> 01:39:42.520]  It hurts them big time.
[01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:44.600]  So it doesn't matter what you file.
[01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:54.680]  It's better that, you know, I don't suggest you file fraudulent or facetious complaints.
[01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:57.640]  We don't need to.
[01:39:57.640 --> 01:40:04.160]  Lawyers will give you more than ample opportunity to file grievances against them.
[01:40:04.160 --> 01:40:11.200]  And if you read through the bar association standards, you'll read like a comic book.
[01:40:11.200 --> 01:40:17.200]  You won't believe the stuff you can nail them for, legitimately.
[01:40:17.200 --> 01:40:23.120]  So you can go to the state bar association, they have a fill in the blank site, a form
[01:40:23.120 --> 01:40:27.960]  on their site, and you can just fill that form out.
[01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:30.120]  And then you download it, print it, sign it.
[01:40:30.120 --> 01:40:35.480]  They won't accept it electronically and then you mail it to them.
[01:40:35.480 --> 01:40:40.160]  So you'll always get that same form letter back and that's okay because you've done
[01:40:40.160 --> 01:40:41.160]  them good.
[01:40:41.160 --> 01:40:48.200]  And the lawyer won't say anything to you about it because he's forbidden to.
[01:40:48.200 --> 01:40:55.640]  If he mentions it in court, you ask for sanctions against him because the bar forbids him to
[01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:57.720]  do that.
[01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:00.880]  And then you file a bar grievance against it for that.
[01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.440]  It really hurts lawyers.
[01:41:03.440 --> 01:41:08.640]  Rob, how many bar grievances have you filed?
[01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:11.680]  I'm way behind, Randy.
[01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.640]  I'm ashamed to admit it.
[01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:18.080]  I've only filed, I think, about 15 in this case.
[01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:19.080]  15?
[01:41:19.080 --> 01:41:20.080]  What?
[01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:21.080]  Have you been sleeping?
[01:41:21.080 --> 01:41:22.080]  You've been snorting too much diesel fumes?
[01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:23.080]  15?
[01:41:23.080 --> 01:41:30.560]  Well, one of my envelopes that had five bar grievances against different attorneys got
[01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:36.600]  returned to me because they changed the address of the bar association.
[01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.560]  I need to fix that and re-send it.
[01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:43.240]  And you forgot the most important part about filing a bar grievance.
[01:41:43.240 --> 01:41:46.600]  When you get that letter back saying that your allegations don't rise to the level of
[01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:50.560]  misconduct and they're not going to do anything, you need to file a bar grievance against the
[01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:53.560]  attorney that sent that letter.
[01:41:53.560 --> 01:42:06.680]  This is what I've met earlier when we talked about how the courts hate pro-says because
[01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:11.960]  every once in a while they run across Rob from New Mexico.
[01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:18.960]  I think the court actually likes me, but the bar absolutely hates me.
[01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:20.240]  And this is what we have to do.
[01:42:20.240 --> 01:42:26.640]  I mean, this is dirty, rotten, low down, and it's patently unfair to lawyers.
[01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:28.200]  Sorry, guys.
[01:42:28.200 --> 01:42:29.640]  Life is tough.
[01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:35.240]  You created this mess for yourself, so you don't get to come and whine to us about it.
[01:42:35.240 --> 01:42:39.880]  If you'd had adequate oversight, you wouldn't have this problem.
[01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:49.760]  There was an article recently in the American Bar Association newsletter that said 20% of
[01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:58.920]  all litigants now are pro-say litigants primarily because they don't trust lawyers.
[01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:02.480]  So lawyers have created this mess for themselves.
[01:43:02.480 --> 01:43:10.280]  So I suggest to people, don't feel bashful about filing bar grievances.
[01:43:10.280 --> 01:43:15.360]  If lawyers don't want bar grievances filed against them, then they need to start doing
[01:43:15.360 --> 01:43:16.360]  their job right.
[01:43:16.360 --> 01:43:17.360]  That's true.
[01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:24.680]  But then on the other hand, they're in business, they're in business to make money, and they
[01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:33.760]  don't dare adequately adjudicate your case because the judge is not going to be happy.
[01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:38.120]  They're not going to do anything to annoy the judge, or the judge can pull their bar
[01:43:38.120 --> 01:43:41.880]  card at the drop of a hat.
[01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:43.760]  So they're in a bad spot.
[01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:45.200]  We need to get them out of that spot.
[01:43:45.200 --> 01:43:50.040]  The best way we can get them out of that spot is grieving them to oblivion.
[01:43:50.040 --> 01:43:53.040]  Hang on, Randy Kelton.
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[01:46:29.080 --> 01:46:35.080]  Okay, and we are talking to Rob in New Mexico.
[01:46:35.080 --> 01:46:42.080]  Okay, Rob, where were we before we got sidetracked on having fun with attorneys?
[01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:47.080]  So we were talking about an affidavit of costs submitted by an attorney.
[01:46:47.080 --> 01:46:50.080]  Yeah, I got one of those too.
[01:46:50.080 --> 01:46:58.080]  And I'm going to bargrieve the lawyer.
[01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:02.080]  Could you explain exactly what that is that you received?
[01:47:02.080 --> 01:47:13.080]  Yeah, if the court rules against you, the other side sometimes asks the court to grant them attorney fees.
[01:47:13.080 --> 01:47:14.080]  Okay.
[01:47:14.080 --> 01:47:20.080]  And this guy asked for 800 bucks in attorney fees, so I'll just bargrieve him.
[01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:29.080]  And I'll charge him about, I'll cost him about 20 grand a year in increased malpractice insurance.
[01:47:29.080 --> 01:47:35.080]  And then if the judge, if the judge has no subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:47:35.080 --> 01:47:42.080]  so if the judge grants him the $800, I'll give him a dollar.
[01:47:42.080 --> 01:47:44.080]  I'll give him a dollar.
[01:47:44.080 --> 01:47:53.080]  He can't go back and ask the judge for sanctions for not paying the attorney fees because I'm paying them.
[01:47:53.080 --> 01:47:56.080]  So it's just him.
[01:47:56.080 --> 01:48:05.080]  He's doing that because he thinks that I'm indigent pro se and this is a fight in me so I won't come back after him.
[01:48:05.080 --> 01:48:08.080]  We're breaking from that habit.
[01:48:08.080 --> 01:48:14.080]  You can do the same thing, Rob.
[01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:16.080]  You there?
[01:48:16.080 --> 01:48:18.080]  Yeah, I'm here.
[01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:27.080]  Well, my question on that, and I've already got this guy hung on FDCPA because the minute he filed the counterclaim asking for attorney fees,
[01:48:27.080 --> 01:48:30.080]  I sent him a validation command and he didn't respond to it.
[01:48:30.080 --> 01:48:32.080]  And he keeps asking for money.
[01:48:32.080 --> 01:48:35.080]  So I'm going to be suing him in federal court.
[01:48:35.080 --> 01:48:40.080]  But my question is, you have a hearing on a cost issue on the 19th.
[01:48:40.080 --> 01:48:43.080]  So I've never faced this before.
[01:48:43.080 --> 01:48:44.080]  What do I do?
[01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:47.080]  They have this hearing on this particular issue.
[01:48:47.080 --> 01:48:48.080]  Wait a minute.
[01:48:48.080 --> 01:48:52.080]  A cost issue on the 19th?
[01:48:52.080 --> 01:48:55.080]  A hearing on the 19th.
[01:48:55.080 --> 01:48:56.080]  Oh, okay.
[01:48:56.080 --> 01:48:59.080]  For the cost.
[01:48:59.080 --> 01:49:00.080]  Wait a minute.
[01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:01.080]  You kind of broke up there.
[01:49:01.080 --> 01:49:04.080]  A hearing on the 19th for what?
[01:49:04.080 --> 01:49:05.080]  The cost.
[01:49:05.080 --> 01:49:10.080]  Oh, okay.
[01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:12.080]  Did he win?
[01:49:12.080 --> 01:49:15.080]  Did you get a case ruled against you?
[01:49:15.080 --> 01:49:19.080]  Yeah, they got summary judgment.
[01:49:19.080 --> 01:49:23.080]  And you didn't appeal the summary judgment?
[01:49:23.080 --> 01:49:26.080]  Right.
[01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:30.080]  Oh.
[01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:33.080]  Okay.
[01:49:33.080 --> 01:49:37.080]  There's a chance the judge will award attorney fees.
[01:49:37.080 --> 01:49:41.080]  So what did he ask for in attorney fees?
[01:49:41.080 --> 01:49:44.080]  What's that?
[01:49:44.080 --> 01:49:46.080]  How much?
[01:49:46.080 --> 01:49:48.080]  Yes.
[01:49:48.080 --> 01:49:51.080]  He's asking for $7,000.
[01:49:51.080 --> 01:49:53.080]  Now that's absorbent.
[01:49:53.080 --> 01:49:58.080]  And you might ask him for a complete accounting.
[01:49:58.080 --> 01:50:07.080]  Well, he gave a list of everything that he did and how long it took and what he charged for it.
[01:50:07.080 --> 01:50:11.080]  That's when you should have appealed.
[01:50:11.080 --> 01:50:18.080]  Most likely the court's not going to award it to him.
[01:50:18.080 --> 01:50:28.080]  The thing about summary judgments is they can almost always be overturned.
[01:50:28.080 --> 01:50:29.080]  Okay.
[01:50:29.080 --> 01:50:32.080]  Why didn't you appeal?
[01:50:32.080 --> 01:50:37.080]  Because I had already amended my FDCPA case to include these defendants.
[01:50:37.080 --> 01:50:46.080]  And I thought it would just be easier to deal with that rather than having another case going.
[01:50:46.080 --> 01:50:48.080]  I had three cases.
[01:50:48.080 --> 01:50:50.080]  Now I only have two, but I'm still...
[01:50:50.080 --> 01:50:51.080]  Oh, okay.
[01:50:51.080 --> 01:50:52.080]  Okay.
[01:50:52.080 --> 01:51:00.080]  Now you might file an objection claiming that these same issues are still being litigated
[01:51:00.080 --> 01:51:08.080]  as to why the reasons for not appealing and that the issues are still before court.
[01:51:08.080 --> 01:51:12.080]  Okay.
[01:51:12.080 --> 01:51:14.080]  That sounds good.
[01:51:14.080 --> 01:51:24.080]  And even if they do get a claim against you, you're familiar with Mike Maris?
[01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:26.080]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:51:26.080 --> 01:51:31.080]  You don't have to worry about that because he'll try to collect and he won't collect properly
[01:51:31.080 --> 01:51:36.080]  and then you get to go back and you may be able to sue him for more than he's trying to collect.
[01:51:36.080 --> 01:51:39.080]  Yep. Yep.
[01:51:39.080 --> 01:51:44.080]  But make sure you bar-greed him again just for yucks.
[01:51:44.080 --> 01:51:45.080]  Oh, yeah.
[01:51:45.080 --> 01:51:49.080]  And I'm going to bar-greed the attorney today for submitting an altered document,
[01:51:49.080 --> 01:51:52.080]  even if that won't fly in court.
[01:51:52.080 --> 01:51:54.080]  Yeah.
[01:51:54.080 --> 01:51:57.080]  They may mess with the bar-greeders.
[01:51:57.080 --> 01:52:00.080]  It gives us leverage that we can use against them.
[01:52:00.080 --> 01:52:03.080]  So we let them deal with it.
[01:52:03.080 --> 01:52:04.080]  Okay.
[01:52:04.080 --> 01:52:06.080]  Do you have anybody behind me?
[01:52:06.080 --> 01:52:08.080]  Nope.
[01:52:08.080 --> 01:52:09.080]  Okay.
[01:52:09.080 --> 01:52:12.080]  Let's go on to my federal case then.
[01:52:12.080 --> 01:52:17.080]  You know, I sued the debt collector attorney and his law firm.
[01:52:17.080 --> 01:52:18.080]  Okay.
[01:52:18.080 --> 01:52:23.080]  During the process of my state case against the escrow company,
[01:52:23.080 --> 01:52:30.080]  they acknowledged that they obtained the account after a default.
[01:52:30.080 --> 01:52:35.080]  So I amended my FDCPA case in federal court to include them.
[01:52:35.080 --> 01:52:38.080]  In addition to the company,
[01:52:38.080 --> 01:52:45.080]  I named the executive officer who submitted the affidavit in the state court,
[01:52:45.080 --> 01:52:48.080]  and I named their four directors.
[01:52:48.080 --> 01:52:58.080]  Well, one of the directors has a name similar to the name of the debt collector,
[01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:01.080]  the debt collector attorney.
[01:53:01.080 --> 01:53:08.080]  So I named him in his capacity as director of the trust company.
[01:53:08.080 --> 01:53:11.080]  Well, they came back and answered.
[01:53:11.080 --> 01:53:15.080]  The trust company answered for the trust company,
[01:53:15.080 --> 01:53:22.080]  the executive officer, and all of the other directors, but not that guy.
[01:53:22.080 --> 01:53:27.080]  And the debt collector attorney, his law firm,
[01:53:27.080 --> 01:53:32.080]  and director of the trust company with a similar name to the debt collector attorney,
[01:53:32.080 --> 01:53:38.080]  all answered, admitting that that director of the escrow company,
[01:53:38.080 --> 01:53:44.080]  the trust company, is a debt collector.
[01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:49.080]  But they're saying that the trust company is not a debt collector.
[01:53:49.080 --> 01:53:54.080]  So how is this guy in his capacity as a director a debt collector,
[01:53:54.080 --> 01:53:58.080]  because the trust company is?
[01:53:58.080 --> 01:54:07.080]  So that just means he likely has two separate positions.
[01:54:07.080 --> 01:54:09.080]  That doesn't sound right.
[01:54:09.080 --> 01:54:16.080]  If he's the director of the trust company, who's he collecting debts for?
[01:54:16.080 --> 01:54:19.080]  Exactly.
[01:54:19.080 --> 01:54:27.080]  So that was a question. Is he collecting debts for the same company that he's the director of?
[01:54:27.080 --> 01:54:29.080]  Yeah.
[01:54:29.080 --> 01:54:39.080]  Okay. How is that, from your perspective, how does that make a difference?
[01:54:39.080 --> 01:54:42.080]  It doesn't.
[01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:49.080]  The trust company is a debt collector trying to collect a debt for the seller.
[01:54:49.080 --> 01:54:56.080]  And they admitted that by saying that this director in his capacity as a director is a debt collector.
[01:54:56.080 --> 01:55:00.080]  Oh, okay. Now I see where you're going. It took me a while to sort out where you're going.
[01:55:00.080 --> 01:55:07.080]  So, okay. Did they claim they were not a debt collector?
[01:55:07.080 --> 01:55:16.080]  Absolutely. The trust company and the executive and the other directors claim that they're not debt collectors.
[01:55:16.080 --> 01:55:26.080]  But the debt collector admitted to being a debt collector in his capacity as director of the trust company.
[01:55:26.080 --> 01:55:34.080]  Okay. So how does that affect the adjudication of your case?
[01:55:34.080 --> 01:55:40.080]  And what I'm going to is how does that give you a clue?
[01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:49.080]  If they had included all of the directors together with the trust company and said, we're not debt collectors.
[01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:59.080]  Oh, hold on. Okay. He is a director and they didn't include him in, oh, wait a minute.
[01:55:59.080 --> 01:56:03.080]  They didn't include him with the other directors.
[01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:10.080]  Okay. What I'm thinking is they failed to name a interested party.
[01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:17.080]  Did they file an action against you that included all these people except the debt collector?
[01:56:17.080 --> 01:56:21.080]  No, no. I sued them. They haven't done anything.
[01:56:21.080 --> 01:56:26.080]  Okay. I'm trying to find a way that this creates a claim.
[01:56:26.080 --> 01:56:34.080]  One way, if he's included in one place and not another, then the party is not included.
[01:56:34.080 --> 01:56:41.080]  They may well have no subject matter jurisdiction because they failed to name a necessary party.
[01:56:41.080 --> 01:56:43.080]  Right.
[01:56:43.080 --> 01:56:51.080]  Okay. Then what is the issue about this? Why is this important?
[01:56:51.080 --> 01:57:01.080]  Well, what I just said, if they had included him in his capacity as a director with the other directors and the trust company,
[01:57:01.080 --> 01:57:06.080]  that would probably fly and they could say, well, the trust company is not a debt collector,
[01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:13.080]  but this guy in his capacity as an attorney in his law firm, yeah, they might be debt collectors.
[01:57:13.080 --> 01:57:19.080]  Okay. But what they did instead was they cut him off.
[01:57:19.080 --> 01:57:24.080]  Everybody else is represented by one attorney saying that they're not debt collectors.
[01:57:24.080 --> 01:57:33.080]  He in both capacities as director of the company and as an attorney is represented by another attorney,
[01:57:33.080 --> 01:57:37.080]  wherein they admitted that they are all debt collectors.
[01:57:37.080 --> 01:57:42.080]  Well, did they admit they all were debt collectors or did just he was a debt collector?
[01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:46.080]  Just he, just he in both capacities.
[01:57:46.080 --> 01:57:56.080]  Okay. So if he is debt collector in his capacity as a director of the company, doesn't that tie the company to the debt?
[01:57:56.080 --> 01:58:06.080]  Not necessarily. If he can exercise the debt collecting functions independent of his capacity as a director of the company, I wouldn't.
[01:58:06.080 --> 01:58:10.080]  I'm not sure this is a really fine point of law.
[01:58:10.080 --> 01:58:18.080]  Whether a executive of a company can step aside and become a debt collector separate from the company.
[01:58:18.080 --> 01:58:24.080]  Saying it that way, it doesn't sound like they would be able to. It doesn't sound right.
[01:58:24.080 --> 01:58:27.080]  Yeah, they're not separating him. They're getting it.
[01:58:27.080 --> 01:58:30.080]  Okay. I'm sorry. We are out of time.
[01:58:30.080 --> 01:58:37.080]  You want to bring this up?
[01:58:37.080 --> 01:58:43.080]  Okay. Thank you all for listening.
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