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[00:51.680 --> 00:56.880]  In the news, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck says three officers violated deadly force
[00:56.880 --> 01:01.080]  rules when they shot an unarmed man on live television last year.
[01:01.080 --> 01:05.480]  The Los Angeles Times reports that Beck rejected the officers' claims that they feared for
[01:05.480 --> 01:07.960]  their lives after a high-speed chase.
[01:07.960 --> 01:11.040]  Beck says the evidence did not show a deadly threat.
[01:11.040 --> 01:14.960]  The Chief will now have to decide what punishment of any to give the officers who have been
[01:14.960 --> 01:17.760]  relieved of duty since the December 2013 shooting.
[01:17.760 --> 01:22.880]  The city council in August voted to pay $5 million to the family of victim Brian Beard
[01:22.880 --> 01:27.640]  to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit.
[01:27.640 --> 01:32.080]  A long-delayed Senate report on the Central Intelligence Agency's use of enhanced interrogation
[01:32.080 --> 01:35.880]  techniques or torture will reportedly be released on Monday.
[01:35.880 --> 01:39.480]  Journalist Jason Leopold tweeted that his lawyers were told that the report would be
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[01:49.760 --> 01:53.880]  Other sources say the final version of the report will refrain from using the word torture
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[01:59.600 --> 02:04.000]  The NSA has spied on hundreds of international companies and organizations searching for
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[03:27.040 --> 03:48.120]  Okay, howdy, howdy, this is Randy Helton, Steve Skidmore, grew your radio on this Friday,
[03:48.120 --> 03:58.520]  December 5, 2014 and almost over already.
[03:58.520 --> 04:02.760]  My mother warned me that it's going to keep going faster and faster, but we have had a
[04:02.760 --> 04:07.240]  great time this year, so I can't complain.
[04:07.240 --> 04:14.320]  I wanted to start out tonight, Steve's going to be a little bit late, I wanted to start
[04:14.320 --> 04:19.520]  out asking for help.
[04:19.520 --> 04:22.760]  We are building an application.
[04:22.760 --> 04:30.040]  We've been looking at what's going on with law and the politics of law and we've been
[04:30.040 --> 04:46.320]  trying to find a way to engage people in change and find a way to give people greater access
[04:46.320 --> 04:48.520]  to legal remedy.
[04:48.520 --> 04:58.600]  We call this show Rule of Law, we're trying to enforce the rule of law and in doing that
[04:58.600 --> 05:10.280]  we're trying to bring real tangible remedy to people and not just a lot of patriot theory.
[05:10.280 --> 05:15.960]  We've come to a conclusion that we need to do something more material than what we've
[05:15.960 --> 05:25.720]  been doing, so we are developing a mobile application and the intent of the mobile application
[05:25.720 --> 05:39.800]  is to give someone a way to have immediate and direct access to professional assistance.
[05:39.800 --> 05:48.920]  You know, as many times as I've been arrested doing what I do and as much as I know, when
[05:48.920 --> 05:56.440]  I get arrested I'm kind of dropped into a black hole.
[05:56.440 --> 06:00.920]  Don't know if anybody knows I'm there, don't know what's going on outside, if there's anybody
[06:00.920 --> 06:11.920]  outside that's working toward my benefit, waiting for that first phone call and first
[06:11.920 --> 06:19.280]  time I was arrested in Austin I've got a really rude awakening.
[06:19.280 --> 06:26.600]  From the jail you can't call cell phones, you can only call a landline and you have
[06:26.600 --> 06:29.640]  to know what number to call.
[06:29.640 --> 06:35.720]  The only numbers I had in my cell phone were cell phone numbers.
[06:35.720 --> 06:42.480]  There was no one I can call and you only get one call.
[06:42.480 --> 06:47.480]  I did find one number but I got no answer.
[06:47.480 --> 06:56.280]  So I kind of felt like I was in a black hole with no way out, nobody knowing I'm there
[06:56.280 --> 07:00.480]  and nobody had my back.
[07:00.480 --> 07:07.440]  So we're trying to develop an app that people can put on their phone and it will have your
[07:07.440 --> 07:10.520]  back.
[07:10.520 --> 07:17.600]  One of the things it will do is 9-1-1, if you have a need to call 9-1-1, instead of
[07:17.600 --> 07:27.240]  calling 9-1-1 directly, if you select the app and select 9-1-1, it will call the 9-1-1
[07:27.240 --> 07:28.240]  operator.
[07:28.240 --> 07:39.200]  It will also turn on live internet streaming to our cloud server so that it records everything.
[07:39.200 --> 07:48.440]  And a live operator will come on the line and listen to you until you finish the 9-1-1
[07:48.440 --> 07:55.000]  call and then the live operator will come back to you and ask you if you need any assistance.
[07:55.000 --> 08:01.360]  One of the things we're working on is taking advantage of the interferometers that are
[08:01.360 --> 08:04.720]  in all of the smart phones.
[08:04.720 --> 08:09.600]  They need an interferometer in there so that a lot of these computer games that play on
[08:09.600 --> 08:14.760]  the cell phone will operate.
[08:14.760 --> 08:21.200]  And that thing can tell if the phone experiences G-force, the interferometer registers movement
[08:21.200 --> 08:23.080]  in the phone.
[08:23.080 --> 08:27.800]  I've got one of these new Galaxy phones and if I pick it up, it turns on.
[08:27.800 --> 08:31.200]  And that's the interferometer telling it to do that.
[08:31.200 --> 08:42.880]  So we want to use that so that when the phone experiences in excess of one G-force against
[08:42.880 --> 08:48.440]  it, it will automatically call us and tell us.
[08:48.440 --> 08:57.720]  It will open the app, turn on voice recognition immediately, and call us.
[08:57.720 --> 09:06.760]  So behind the app, we will have live human beings, not some machine asking you questions
[09:06.760 --> 09:11.280]  and telling you to push buttons and say numbers, but have a live human being.
[09:11.280 --> 09:19.360]  For the most part, we know there's a lot of really great technology out there, but especially
[09:19.360 --> 09:25.000]  us old school folks, we don't have a clue as to what it is.
[09:25.000 --> 09:31.520]  And even the new school folks, even if they do have a clue as to what it is, in a time
[09:31.520 --> 09:37.880]  of emergency, they are far too busy with what's going on around them that they don't have
[09:37.880 --> 09:41.240]  time to dig through all the technology.
[09:41.240 --> 09:51.320]  So we're developing an app where you are immediately put in contact with someone that's there to
[09:51.320 --> 09:53.400]  have your back.
[09:53.400 --> 09:59.960]  We will, when you load the app, you will be able to load in people to contact in case
[09:59.960 --> 10:03.640]  of an emergency.
[10:03.640 --> 10:09.480]  And if you say you're driving along in the red lights from a police car, come on behind
[10:09.480 --> 10:10.960]  you.
[10:10.960 --> 10:15.560]  You activate the app and tell it to police stop.
[10:15.560 --> 10:22.560]  You'll immediately get online streaming turned on so everything's recorded.
[10:22.560 --> 10:28.760]  And we can even do that with the phone black so it doesn't show that it's recorded.
[10:28.760 --> 10:34.200]  We're also looking at setting the phone so you can just bang the phone against the palm
[10:34.200 --> 10:38.200]  of your hand and it'll immediately come on.
[10:38.200 --> 10:45.920]  So if you're outside the car and the policeman walks up to you and starts asking you questions,
[10:45.920 --> 10:51.160]  if you try to make a telephone call, a lot of times the officer will be in the fear.
[10:51.160 --> 10:56.800]  So you take the phone out of your pocket and if he says anything about using it, just bang
[10:56.800 --> 11:03.600]  it against your hand, then automatic live streaming will come on immediately.
[11:03.600 --> 11:07.440]  But it won't show on the phone.
[11:07.440 --> 11:11.000]  And the phone can hear you.
[11:11.000 --> 11:15.320]  We'll have an operator on the other side that can hear you.
[11:15.320 --> 11:21.840]  If you need a lawyer, we will have lawyers that we can call, we can contact, they will
[11:21.840 --> 11:22.840]  come on the line.
[11:22.840 --> 11:27.680]  So if you have an officer with attitude that he's asking you questions you don't want
[11:27.680 --> 11:34.440]  to answer, you can tell him here, ask my lawyer that question.
[11:34.440 --> 11:42.240]  This will go a long way toward eliminating a lot of the bad behavior that we've been
[11:42.240 --> 11:44.440]  experiencing from the police.
[11:44.440 --> 11:53.440]  You know, you watch the news, cell phones have already gone a long way toward addressing
[11:53.440 --> 11:55.440]  this issue.
[11:55.440 --> 12:03.520]  A policeman, you know, we complain that we are being photographed everywhere.
[12:03.520 --> 12:08.040]  Everything we do is on a security camera somewhere.
[12:08.040 --> 12:11.480]  Well, the police are complaining about the same thing.
[12:11.480 --> 12:16.840]  Everything they do is on about a dozen cell phone cameras.
[12:16.840 --> 12:26.240]  And now with all the pressure against them, departments are being forced to put personal
[12:26.240 --> 12:29.520]  recording devices on these officers.
[12:29.520 --> 12:32.240]  So everything they do is videotaped.
[12:32.240 --> 12:38.320]  Now what we need to do is make sure we can get access to those videos.
[12:38.320 --> 12:42.440]  But that aside, we have our own.
[12:42.440 --> 12:51.080]  So if you have a tool that will automatically start recording, if you're in an accident,
[12:51.080 --> 12:58.200]  then if it experiences with something we'll have to adjust to find out what it needs to
[12:58.200 --> 13:05.040]  be, say, approximately two G's, then that indicates that at the time the interferometer
[13:05.040 --> 13:10.360]  says that you were moving at a rate that you were obviously in an automobile.
[13:10.360 --> 13:15.000]  And the phone experiences two G's, that means you've been in an accident.
[13:15.000 --> 13:19.800]  And it will immediately call 911, it will immediately try to contact you.
[13:19.800 --> 13:24.040]  It'll come on and the live operator will try to contact you.
[13:24.040 --> 13:27.600]  If you don't answer, it's going to call 911.
[13:27.600 --> 13:34.720]  So you have someone that has your back, has your back in an accident situation, has your
[13:34.720 --> 13:41.480]  back if the police stop you, has a medical emergency, they have a medical emergency,
[13:41.480 --> 13:48.000]  you open the app and hit urgent need, medical.
[13:48.000 --> 13:55.400]  And our live human being will come on who has access to the current technology and to
[13:55.400 --> 14:02.240]  medical professionals in most any area in which you need one.
[14:02.240 --> 14:08.480]  They can contact a medical professional immediately to address whatever issue you have.
[14:08.480 --> 14:17.480]  And we have lawyers and medical professionals and essentially professionals of just about
[14:17.480 --> 14:25.600]  any kind who will gladly make their time available to do this for free.
[14:25.600 --> 14:34.800]  Okay, it's not really free, but they're spending a lot of money on advertising.
[14:34.800 --> 14:41.680]  And instead of spending all that money on just blank advertising, we have them spend
[14:41.680 --> 14:56.360]  some of that money on time that they're making available to ordinary people in difficult situations.
[14:56.360 --> 15:03.000]  If you have a medical emergency and we refer you to a clinic and the clinic gives you the
[15:03.000 --> 15:08.760]  information you need, if you need further assistance, a good chance you might use that
[15:08.760 --> 15:09.760]  clinic.
[15:09.760 --> 15:17.600]  It's not required to, but at least the clinic has had the opportunity to be of service to
[15:17.600 --> 15:19.600]  you.
[15:19.600 --> 15:23.600]  And they'll pay us to do this, they'll help support the app, that way we can make the
[15:23.600 --> 15:25.600]  app free.
[15:25.600 --> 15:32.880]  Okay, what I need help with, we're going to go to break here in a minute or so, and
[15:32.880 --> 15:42.680]  over the break, consider this app on your phone.
[15:42.680 --> 15:49.920]  What would you want to have on there that I haven't mentioned?
[15:49.920 --> 15:55.640]  What would give you confidence to move around in the public?
[15:55.640 --> 16:02.440]  One thing I understand my daughter-in-law brought this to my attention about women driving
[16:02.440 --> 16:10.920]  around in traffic with men driving around in traffic.
[16:10.920 --> 16:16.000]  And how terrifying that can be, especially if a man starts trying to pay attention to
[16:16.000 --> 16:26.080]  you in a way that you don't, that you did not promote or didn't want, for a woman that
[16:26.080 --> 16:27.080]  can be terrified.
[16:27.080 --> 16:28.080]  What do you do?
[16:28.080 --> 16:29.080]  You call the police?
[16:29.080 --> 16:33.000]  What do you need to do with anything?
[16:33.000 --> 16:39.520]  We're looking at an app where we can connect to other people with the app in the area,
[16:39.520 --> 16:48.480]  ping their GPS, and get like-minded people to cover your back.
[16:48.480 --> 16:53.840]  Over the break, see if you can come up with something that we might add to it.
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[19:29.600 --> 19:48.920]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelpin and Steve Skidmore live on radio and we were talking
[19:48.920 --> 19:55.800]  about an app and what we can put in this app over the break. I was talking to our producer
[19:55.800 --> 20:03.680]  and he had an interesting suggestion. A camera where you can see everything that's going
[20:03.680 --> 20:10.520]  on. A cell phone is okay but you got to point it at the guy and someone sent me a video
[20:10.520 --> 20:18.200]  of this guy who is stopped by a police officer and he takes out his cell phone, turns it
[20:18.200 --> 20:23.280]  on and points it at him and the cop is standing there talking to him and he's got this cell
[20:23.280 --> 20:29.960]  phone pointed at him and the cop did one of the neatest things I've ever seen. He took
[20:29.960 --> 20:36.200]  out his cell phone and pointed at the other guy. It was like they were holding guns on
[20:36.200 --> 20:46.800]  each other and the cop was professional and he did not get out of line. Part of it was
[20:46.800 --> 20:56.560]  the individual was pretty cranked up. He was pretty annoyed at being stopped this way.
[20:56.560 --> 21:04.400]  But the cop handled him well and didn't get out of hand and worked out in the end well.
[21:04.400 --> 21:15.000]  But it indicates the difficulty of video peace officers. They feel threatened by the camera
[21:15.000 --> 21:23.120]  and justify every soul. So they feel like when you point the camera at them that you're
[21:23.120 --> 21:31.880]  being aggressive and our police have been taught to handle aggression, any kind of aggression
[21:31.880 --> 21:40.200]  with massive force and that can get really, really dangerous. And so what a producer suggested
[21:40.200 --> 21:51.880]  is a camera that you could point back at the patrol car and I thought about that. Right
[21:51.880 --> 22:01.320]  now there's some current cameras coming out that have three separate lenses. Each lens
[22:01.320 --> 22:14.720]  will see almost 180 degrees. Those three cameras set in a framework so that the three cameras
[22:14.720 --> 22:27.200]  will videotape 360 degrees. If we develop the camera of that nature, Bluetooth camera
[22:27.200 --> 22:40.440]  and they have those already available and make it magnetic mounted. So you turn it on,
[22:40.440 --> 22:46.640]  step out of the vehicle and just stick it on the roof. It sees 360 degrees and on the
[22:46.640 --> 22:54.920]  roof of the car it's high enough that it didn't get everything. So that's one thing. We're
[22:54.920 --> 23:07.280]  looking for other ideas of things that we can add to this app to make it so that when
[23:07.280 --> 23:15.960]  you're driving in your car, you don't feel like you're out there on the highway all alone.
[23:15.960 --> 23:23.120]  Early on when we started this program we had someone call in because his daughter was going
[23:23.120 --> 23:33.800]  to school here in Austin. And she worked part time at a real estate office. And a guy came
[23:33.800 --> 23:41.480]  into the office and came several times and always wanted to talk to her. And she said
[23:41.480 --> 23:47.760]  he was getting really creepy. And one day she's driving home and she sees this guy following
[23:47.760 --> 23:54.880]  her. And she speeds up to try to get away from him. He stays with her. She dropped off
[23:54.880 --> 24:02.240]  an entrance ramp and he turned off and drove down the shoulder of the road to get on the
[24:02.240 --> 24:08.360]  entrance ramp behind her. And then he drove up beside her and showed her, well I'm sorry,
[24:08.360 --> 24:16.080]  he had, while he was in the real estate office, he had showed her that he had a pistol. And
[24:16.080 --> 24:23.000]  she was absolutely terrified. And the father called us to ask him what we could do about
[24:23.000 --> 24:31.680]  it. And they wound up setting him up so that he came into the real estate office and the
[24:31.680 --> 24:38.160]  police were waiting for him. And he turned out to be a lawyer. But this is really, really
[24:38.160 --> 24:47.200]  dangerous behavior. And you know, us guys, you know, we can pull the guy over and dot
[24:47.200 --> 24:55.240]  his eye. And that's what guys do. But we can't do that. So they need something else to handle
[24:55.240 --> 25:04.520]  these issues. And I'm looking for something that we haven't thought of. And I'm basically
[25:04.520 --> 25:15.520]  an engineer. And one thing an engineer understands is that an engineer, if he does his job right,
[25:15.520 --> 25:22.880]  he doesn't really design anything. What he does is gather up the parameters, throw them
[25:22.880 --> 25:31.840]  all in a box and shake it and watch what falls into place. And by doing that, he lets the
[25:31.840 --> 25:38.280]  project design itself. If the engineer comes in with a preconceived notion of what will
[25:38.280 --> 25:45.280]  work and what won't work, he's going to miss some real magic. And any of those who's been
[25:45.280 --> 25:50.640]  listening to this show for any amount of time knows that I've been talking about this electronic
[25:50.640 --> 26:01.080]  lawyer. Well, the electronic lawyer is behind this. The electronic lawyer, the tool that
[26:01.080 --> 26:10.720]  grew out of designing an electronic lawyer, grew into something that will make an electronic
[26:10.720 --> 26:21.360]  professional of any kind. So it outgrew the original project. And now, in trying to find
[26:21.360 --> 26:30.800]  a way to make this process viable, you know, in asking the questions, how do we get it
[26:30.800 --> 26:42.000]  into the hands of the individuals who would benefit the most by it? And my motivation
[26:42.000 --> 26:47.920]  has never been money. Anybody who listens to the show knows what my motivation is. I have
[26:47.920 --> 26:56.720]  an intended outcome. And I stated on a rather relatively regular basis as much to remind
[26:56.720 --> 27:04.920]  me as it is to tell someone else. So that I always know where I'm going because if you
[27:04.920 --> 27:08.040]  don't know where you're going, there's a good chance you're going to wind up somewhere
[27:08.040 --> 27:16.680]  else. And it is my stated purpose to place every judge in the country in a position such
[27:16.680 --> 27:24.280]  that when he steps out behind the bench and looks out across the bar at the gallery, I
[27:24.280 --> 27:29.320]  want him wondering which one, which one of those scoundrels sitting out there in the
[27:29.320 --> 27:34.240]  gallery is waiting for me to render a ruling that he doesn't like so he can run down to
[27:34.240 --> 27:45.120]  the grandeur and try to get the end died. If we can get our judges in that position, politics
[27:45.120 --> 27:53.840]  gets flushed out the window. Everything changes. The politics changes to where you and I as
[27:53.840 --> 28:05.600]  private citizens walk in with the most political clout far beyond any of their contributors
[28:05.600 --> 28:11.880]  to their election campaigns because we're the ones that can cut them short very quickly.
[28:11.880 --> 28:18.840]  So that's my ultimate outcome, but how do I get there? In order to get there, we need
[28:18.840 --> 28:27.800]  people who are willing to step up and take these guys on. Okay, how do we do that? Well,
[28:27.800 --> 28:36.960]  we have to put in the hands of the layperson, your new individual, not the corporate jurist,
[28:36.960 --> 28:41.960]  not the whole body of law. They don't care about the whole body of law, but that portion
[28:41.960 --> 28:51.160]  of the law that applies specifically to their instant situation so that they can hold their
[28:51.160 --> 28:56.600]  public officials to the law that applies to them in their current situation. And that's
[28:56.600 --> 29:04.200]  what the electronic lawyer was all about. Okay, we've got, you know, in developing that,
[29:04.200 --> 29:14.320]  we've developed two or three proprietary technologies, two or three ways of doing things that were
[29:14.320 --> 29:18.400]  nothing like we thought they would be when we started out. That's another one of the
[29:18.400 --> 29:25.880]  tools that just grew out of this by sticking into parameters and seeing what happened.
[29:25.880 --> 29:30.160]  We're about to go to another break. We do have a phone call. Fire lines open. We'll
[29:30.160 --> 29:37.560]  have them open all night. If you have a question on any topic, this one or others, give us
[29:37.560 --> 29:45.560]  a call. But I especially like some calls with some suggestions or criticisms, suggestions
[29:45.560 --> 29:51.720]  of what we might add and warnings about what we should not do. Randy Keltan, Steve Skidmore,
[29:51.720 --> 30:00.800]  Louisville Radio, 512-646-1984. Give us a call. We'll be right back.
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[33:57.280 --> 34:22.280]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve's Kidmore, rule of law radio and we're going
[34:22.280 --> 34:27.280]  to talk about the evolution. When I went out, I was talking about an evolution and I'm
[34:27.280 --> 34:35.560]  asking my listeners to help me with the evolution. You know, we started this idea, started out
[34:35.560 --> 34:42.360]  with a simple questionnaire. I had someone call into the show one time and asked me if
[34:42.360 --> 34:48.840]  I knew what a Frank's hearing was. I said, Frank's hearing F-R-E-N-K-S. And I said,
[34:48.840 --> 34:54.760]  yeah, I've heard of it, but I don't remember what it was. So after the show, I looked it
[34:54.760 --> 35:04.000]  up. And when I saw what it was, I said, holy mackerel, how could I ever have forgotten that?
[35:04.000 --> 35:10.040]  Frank's hearing is a hearing for the purpose of determining the veracity of a police officer
[35:10.040 --> 35:16.640]  who testified before a magistrate to secure a warrant. And you get to subpoena the magistrate.
[35:16.640 --> 35:24.720]  When you start subpoenaing judges, everybody gets excited. The last case I had in Travis
[35:24.720 --> 35:30.160]  County where the DPS guy knocked my tooth out at the Secretary of State's building,
[35:30.160 --> 35:37.640]  they threw my case out in order to protect my lawyer from me because I demanded that
[35:37.640 --> 35:44.320]  he file a motion for a Frank's hearing. And my lawyer said, I can't subpoena a judge,
[35:44.320 --> 35:50.760]  I'll get disbarred. They don't worry about it. I'll subpoena him myself. Well, I can't
[35:50.760 --> 35:56.480]  examine a judge on the stand, I'll get disbarred. That's no problem. He hasn't lived until
[35:56.480 --> 36:02.120]  I've examined him. Oh, Mr. County, you're going to get me disbarred. We went into court
[36:02.120 --> 36:09.640]  and the judge dismissed the case to keep from having to get a judge subpoenaed on the stand
[36:09.640 --> 36:17.080]  and had me examine that judge on the stand. So how could I ever have forgotten that? Well,
[36:17.080 --> 36:22.400]  I got to looking at what I had, what we had been doing. We had people calling in with
[36:22.400 --> 36:28.560]  all kinds of cool stuff. And then next week, somebody called in something else and then
[36:28.560 --> 36:33.640]  in next week, something else, and we'd forget. We couldn't keep up with all of them. And
[36:33.640 --> 36:42.480]  pretty well decided we got to find a way to fix this. And what we decided on was a questionnaire.
[36:42.480 --> 36:47.080]  Do you have reason to believe that the police officer who testified before a magistrate
[36:47.080 --> 36:50.760]  to secure the warrant, misrepresented the truth to the magistrate? We put that question
[36:50.760 --> 36:59.600]  in there. And if the person answers yes, Frank's hearing, the questionnaire never forgets to
[36:59.600 --> 37:06.600]  ask the question. So all of these things we keep coming up with, we look at the process
[37:06.600 --> 37:15.720]  and how can we ask the user a question that will point at this particular remedy? And
[37:15.720 --> 37:23.600]  that was the original idea and purpose. But it grew into something much more. And this
[37:23.600 --> 37:34.320]  is what ideas do. Being an engineer, I have people come to me with ideas all the time.
[37:34.320 --> 37:39.720]  And they want me to develop this, develop that. And I tell them, are you kidding me?
[37:39.720 --> 37:44.960]  They got this great idea. Don't tell anybody about it because they might take it and do
[37:44.960 --> 37:51.880]  it themselves. And they don't worry about that, guys. You have no idea how difficult
[37:51.880 --> 38:04.640]  it is to bring an idea into the real world as a viable product. It is extremely difficult,
[38:04.640 --> 38:11.680]  takes a very long time, and it never winds up the way you thought it would be. Just how
[38:11.680 --> 38:21.240]  it works. When you're developing an idea, you cannot ever allow yourself to get invested
[38:21.240 --> 38:30.520]  in the idea. When we were developing the questionnaire, we sat down with Deborah and Eddie and a bunch
[38:30.520 --> 38:38.800]  of us got together and put in all the questions we could. And as it developed, it came to
[38:38.800 --> 38:46.880]  a point that I looked at it and I said, this is all wrong. And everybody was aghast. So
[38:46.880 --> 38:55.120]  we had to toss this thing. And it was hard. They didn't want to toss all of this work.
[38:55.120 --> 39:01.480]  If you're going to develop an idea, you have to be willing to do that. I once built a sweeper
[39:01.480 --> 39:07.920]  that would sweep out the insides of refrigerated trailers. It would mount on a forklift. So
[39:07.920 --> 39:10.960]  the driver would never have to get off the forklift to empty the trailer, pick up the
[39:10.960 --> 39:17.760]  sweeper, sweep the trailer, out set it down on the trailer. My son and I built a prototype
[39:17.760 --> 39:25.440]  for his graduation project from engineering school. We just barely got it to work and
[39:25.440 --> 39:31.440]  he got an A on the project. And then I took it and put a few more months work into it
[39:31.440 --> 39:39.880]  and had about $60,000 in the project by the time I got this first prototype working. We
[39:39.880 --> 39:46.600]  picked it up on a forklift and fired it up, ran it for about 30 minutes. And I told the
[39:46.600 --> 39:53.800]  guy I was with, okay, you can cut it up now. And he was aghast. He couldn't believe that.
[39:53.800 --> 40:03.880]  I said, well, the prototype told me some things I needed to know. One that the brush diameter
[40:03.880 --> 40:13.560]  was the right size. That the bristles on the brush were the right consistency and type.
[40:13.560 --> 40:18.840]  That the speed we had it rotating at was slow enough so when you set it down in dust like
[40:18.840 --> 40:25.720]  if you did a bag of flour, it wouldn't throw dust everywhere. The hydraulic motor was strong
[40:25.720 --> 40:33.600]  enough and the gas engine pulling the pump was strong enough to turn the brush aggressively.
[40:33.600 --> 40:42.120]  The hydraulics didn't get hot so I had a big enough reservoir. The rest of it was garbage.
[40:42.120 --> 40:48.160]  No way this thing could be produced. So we cut it up, started over again. But we start
[40:48.160 --> 40:55.680]  all over knowing a lot about what we need to do in the next one. If you're going to
[40:55.680 --> 41:02.560]  try to develop an idea, you have to be willing to take what you've got and throw it in the
[41:02.560 --> 41:11.360]  trash and start over again. You can't get married to it. And that also protects you
[41:11.360 --> 41:20.160]  from missing something really important. Because when you address a design project from this
[41:20.160 --> 41:28.960]  perspective, then you're willing to look at what will improve the project. If you're
[41:28.960 --> 41:38.320]  invested in the project, then you tend to be focused on what you've already got. If
[41:38.320 --> 41:44.680]  you're not invested in what you've already got, then you can look around and say what
[41:44.680 --> 41:50.560]  will be of great advantage. No matter what I have to do behind me, it doesn't matter
[41:50.560 --> 41:54.320]  how much work I've got back there. If I have to toss it all out, it doesn't matter. If
[41:54.320 --> 42:00.840]  in the end I get a better project. When you do things that way, the project will literally
[42:00.840 --> 42:05.080]  design itself. And that's exactly what this one has done.
[42:05.080 --> 42:13.240]  Started out with a simple questionnaire and it turned into a tool with which we can extract
[42:13.240 --> 42:22.600]  an expert's entire expertise through a strategic method of asking questions. And then that
[42:22.600 --> 42:33.360]  morphed into a method of taking all of the codes and converting the proactive assertions
[42:33.360 --> 42:42.480]  of the code. You shall not do this. You shall do this. There are statements of what the
[42:42.480 --> 42:51.040]  code is. We take the codes and convert them into questions. And then with the questionnaire
[42:51.040 --> 42:56.440]  and the code in forms of questions, now we look at the questionnaire and everywhere an
[42:56.440 --> 43:03.360]  answer implicates a section in the code. We link directly to that section in the code
[43:03.360 --> 43:09.080]  to the questions there that address the elements of that code. And then we come back and keep
[43:09.080 --> 43:19.160]  going. This thing begins to look like a neural net. This begins to look like something that
[43:19.160 --> 43:31.560]  will be an electronic lawyer that has all of the codes, all of the corpus juris interconnected
[43:31.560 --> 43:41.120]  just like all of your knowledge in your mind is interconnected by referential index. This
[43:41.120 --> 43:47.840]  is essentially where we're at with that part. Now we've got to take it and make it applicable
[43:47.840 --> 43:51.560]  to all of the human beings. We'll talk a little bit more about that when we come back on the
[43:51.560 --> 43:58.520]  other side. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[46:22.360 --> 46:52.040]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore of Rule of Law Radio and we went out with
[46:52.040 --> 46:59.720]  the electronic lawyer. If you've been listening to the show for a number of years, you probably
[46:59.720 --> 47:09.480]  got tired of me talking about developing this electronic lawyer. But I hope that this explanation
[47:09.480 --> 47:18.320]  kind of explains why this has taken so long. When I show this to a lawyer, they really
[47:18.320 --> 47:29.800]  get excited. We have some really major companies out there that are providing products in this
[47:29.800 --> 47:40.880]  area. And when someone looks at the technologies that we have developed here, even a layperson,
[47:40.880 --> 47:47.560]  this doesn't take a rocket scientist, a layperson looks at it and says, well, you know, all
[47:47.560 --> 47:57.760]  of that really makes sense. So the question becomes why hasn't somebody already done this?
[47:57.760 --> 48:07.560]  Because what we're doing, the technology has been around to do this for 30 years. So why
[48:07.560 --> 48:18.960]  has somebody done it? Well, that has been for me a running concern. And I keep searching
[48:18.960 --> 48:27.000]  the internet to find where somebody else has already done this and I can't find it. And
[48:27.000 --> 48:40.800]  what it gets down to is the one thing that is most valuable in terms of advancing our
[48:40.800 --> 48:51.360]  technology is not the technology. The technology has advanced incredibly. What has not kept
[48:51.360 --> 49:04.440]  pace is human imagination. And the imagination, especially when we get into areas of this
[49:04.440 --> 49:14.440]  kind of sophistication, is not sufficient on its own. It's natural imagination is insufficient.
[49:14.440 --> 49:21.400]  I've talked to a number of people who were aspiring writers who had no technical writing
[49:21.400 --> 49:27.920]  background and I have a couple of people give me manuscripts. Great ideas and I've looked
[49:27.920 --> 49:36.360]  them over and I said, you need to take some courses. Your subject matter is wonderful.
[49:36.360 --> 49:44.440]  But your writing technology is atrocious. And the one guy said to me, well, I wanted
[49:44.440 --> 49:53.720]  my writing to sound natural. I said, it does. It sounds like a natural eighth grader. Natural
[49:53.720 --> 50:05.360]  talent is great. But if it's not coupled with technology with skill, then it's of little
[50:05.360 --> 50:11.200]  value. Imagination is the same way. We have to discipline imagination. What I've been
[50:11.200 --> 50:20.600]  talking about for the most of this show is how over the last few years I've been trying
[50:20.600 --> 50:30.720]  to discipline my imagination, if that makes sense. Been trying to let the pieces fall
[50:30.720 --> 50:40.040]  into place. And the thing that's kept me going is we find a piece that fits into place. And
[50:40.040 --> 50:46.840]  it really looks like a great tool. But then when you look at it more closely, yeah, yeah,
[50:46.840 --> 50:53.760]  it's okay, but it needs something else added to it. And then we'll get the next thing that
[50:53.760 --> 51:02.880]  needs something else added to that. And we have a very sophisticated tool here that will
[51:02.880 --> 51:15.520]  in fact do what we've been talking about doing. I know it's fantastic to say that we intend
[51:15.520 --> 51:20.840]  to eliminate the profession of lawyers and get lawyers to pay us to do it. Well, actually,
[51:20.840 --> 51:29.120]  we won't ever eliminate the profession of lawyer. But we will dramatically decrease
[51:29.120 --> 51:38.520]  the need for lawyers and dramatically increase the technology of the lawyers that are left.
[51:38.520 --> 51:46.440]  And yes, in fact, the lawyers will pay us to do it. Because one of the things that added
[51:46.440 --> 51:56.480]  itself to the process was once we developed a questionnaire that would capture an expert's
[51:56.480 --> 52:04.280]  expertise, and then we take that questionnaire and give it to a second expert and have him
[52:04.280 --> 52:10.840]  look at it and say, you know, right here, I would ask a question about this issue that
[52:10.840 --> 52:18.160]  you didn't address. So by that method, we include his expertise into the process. And
[52:18.160 --> 52:30.200]  then every lawyer who uses the process adds his expertise to the product. And very quickly,
[52:30.200 --> 52:39.720]  we reach a point to where any lawyer practicing where this is used will have to have it or
[52:39.720 --> 52:47.960]  have to have something comparable. Otherwise, the lawyer who has access to the expertise
[52:47.960 --> 52:52.920]  of all of the best experts in the field is going to come into court and wipe the floor
[52:52.920 --> 53:01.480]  with you. So you essentially have to have it. We will get lawyers to pay us to do this.
[53:01.480 --> 53:11.640]  And what the questionnaire projected is, okay, we have a tool that walks down the elements
[53:11.640 --> 53:22.080]  of the code and indicates where emotional pleading is needed. Well, we've got all the
[53:22.080 --> 53:29.280]  information already. We have the relevant facts in the case. It's a piece of cake to
[53:29.280 --> 53:37.440]  have the system spit out that motion or pleading. So that added a very powerful product. But
[53:37.440 --> 53:48.000]  more than just adding a product, now we can give this to a prosa. And the system will
[53:48.000 --> 53:59.120]  spit out professionally prepared documentation for his case. And we talked before about developing
[53:59.120 --> 54:08.600]  documentation. In developing documentation for the court, the last caller last yesterday
[54:08.600 --> 54:16.080]  addressed this issue where he had prepared a motion for the court, sent it to me to look
[54:16.080 --> 54:23.560]  at and I sent him an email and said, do not file this, but he had already filed it. It
[54:23.560 --> 54:31.720]  was a document made up by a prosaid. It was very clear that a prosaid had written it up
[54:31.720 --> 54:42.880]  because he didn't know to use the local litigation guides. Every lawyer pre well knows this.
[54:42.880 --> 54:50.120]  When a judge sits down to do motion hearings, he will hear the same things, same issues
[54:50.120 --> 54:55.360]  over and over and over. These are technical issues in most every case that have to be
[54:55.360 --> 55:01.280]  addressed. And he hears the same motions over and over and over. If you go to a court when
[55:01.280 --> 55:07.520]  they're having motion hearings, the lawyers you get up there and want to state his side
[55:07.520 --> 55:12.800]  very quickly, the other state his side very quickly, the judge will bam, and just walk
[55:12.800 --> 55:18.560]  right through them. And it looks like the judge is not doing anything. He's just rubber
[55:18.560 --> 55:25.680]  stamping and stuff. And yeah, he is. Because these are technical issues that need to be
[55:25.680 --> 55:34.160]  addressed. And the lawyers are giving him motions that all look almost exactly alike
[55:34.160 --> 55:39.880]  because they pulled him out of the litigation guides. So that when the judge looks at the
[55:39.880 --> 55:45.920]  motion, he sees the parties where he expects to see the parties. He sees venue section
[55:45.920 --> 55:54.280]  where he expects to see it. He sees each of the sections of the particular motion exactly
[55:54.280 --> 55:59.720]  where he expects to see it because he saw it a hundred times. And then he gets to the
[55:59.720 --> 56:06.000]  one paragraph that's peculiar to this particular situation. And that's all he has to deal
[56:06.000 --> 56:15.320]  with. Yeah, very quickly. The prosecutor comes in and gives him a document that he's prepared
[56:15.320 --> 56:24.040]  from scratch. He's done all the backside research, found all his own case law. And the judge
[56:24.040 --> 56:30.920]  gets this document that he has to read every word because nothing's the way he expects
[56:30.920 --> 56:38.640]  to see it. You've got 20 cases in there the judge has never seen before. And the judge
[56:38.640 --> 56:48.840]  says, I am not reading all of these cases. Denied. Well, that may not be right. But the
[56:48.840 --> 57:00.880]  judge after all is a human being. And if God created human beings, he created us terribly
[57:00.880 --> 57:10.880]  flawed. It's just how it is. We got these weaknesses. And you and I can say the judge
[57:10.880 --> 57:18.880]  should be perfect. He should be without personal flaws. And he should do everything exactly
[57:18.880 --> 57:28.000]  how the code directs him to do things. Well, good luck on that. If we want a ruling in
[57:28.000 --> 57:38.240]  our favor, there are considerations we must make. Just that deal with the nature of the
[57:38.240 --> 57:47.160]  human animal. Humans are what they are. And if you tell a judge that you're an ignorant,
[57:47.160 --> 57:53.840]  know nothing, pro se, it will be very hard for him to give credence to what you just
[57:53.840 --> 58:00.840]  put in front of him. But if you put a document in front of him that the only way he can tell
[58:00.840 --> 58:08.840]  it wasn't prepared by a lawyer, is that there's no lawyer signature at the bottom. He's much
[58:08.840 --> 58:15.600]  more likely to trust what you put in there and give you a ruling in favor. So what this
[58:15.600 --> 58:25.000]  tool will do is allow a pro se to simply answer a questionnaire and the system will spit out
[58:25.000 --> 58:33.800]  all this documentation in exactly the format the judge expects to see it fully hyperlinked.
[58:33.800 --> 58:38.720]  It will dramatically change the way law is done. And I'll explain that when we get back
[58:38.720 --> 58:50.400]  on that side. Call it number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:03:19.160 --> 01:03:34.280]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, the Skidmore News, our video, and we're talking about how
[01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:47.520]  the tool will change everything. What this does, the tool kept growing and morphing because
[01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:59.000]  it implied more things that we needed. In asking the questionnaire, we primarily ask
[01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:06.200]  questions that go to point of law. If you go sit down in front of a lawyer, the lawyer
[01:04:06.200 --> 01:04:12.800]  doesn't know what happened, so he doesn't know what to ask you. You don't know the underlying
[01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:18.680]  law, so you don't know what's relevant to the adjudication of the case and what's not
[01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:24.760]  relevant to it. You and the lawyer sit down across from each other and you start telling
[01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:29.440]  your story. When the lawyer is sitting there with his legal pad out and he'll just sit
[01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:34.000]  there and patiently listen, and every once in a while he'll write something down. What
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:41.200]  he's doing is he's listening for you to step on a point of law that he can adjudicate,
[01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:48.880]  and then he'll make a note about that. He's just keeping points of law. The questionnaire,
[01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:55.200]  that's what it does, is it walks down the points of law. Since the questionnaire, you're
[01:04:55.200 --> 01:05:01.160]  doing it on a computer and you're not sitting across from a human being that you're trying
[01:05:01.160 --> 01:05:13.960]  to sell on the idea of representing you, then it's easier for you to exercise greater candor.
[01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:24.360]  Candor is difficult if you have instructed your inner mind to deliver up to you verbiage
[01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:33.800]  that will convince this other human being that you are in the right and you are worthy
[01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:42.120]  of his representation. The inner mind's not going to deliver up to bad stuff, and the
[01:05:42.120 --> 01:05:49.480]  lawyer probably needs to hear the bad stuff more than any other. I mean, who here hasn't
[01:05:49.480 --> 01:06:01.080]  watched a lawyer's program where counsel on the other side brings up an issue, and the
[01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:10.280]  heroes or the guy on the other side's lawyer turns and looks at the client as fast as it
[01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:17.480]  said, well, what's the deal? For lawyers, that terrifies them more than just about anything
[01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:27.880]  else is that they miss an important element. So the questionnaire will walk down the elements.
[01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:39.080]  Well, if you're doing legal research, lawyers do legal research, and the most difficult
[01:06:39.080 --> 01:06:47.440]  part about doing legal research is finding that first case on point. You go through case
[01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:54.240]  after case after case. It looks close, but once you read through all of the elements
[01:06:54.240 --> 01:07:00.320]  and the decision, it's off point. It doesn't fit your case well enough to use an individual
[01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:09.480]  through another and another and another so that you find a case that addresses the particular
[01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:16.800]  element in the particular context that you're addressing. Well, the questionnaire we've
[01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:26.720]  developed has all the elements. It has all the elements in every variation that we have
[01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:32.840]  ever come across. It's in the questionnaire. The user of the questionnaire doesn't see
[01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:42.320]  how big it is. The questionnaire is monstrous, but the user only sees those questions that
[01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:49.480]  relate to his previous answers. So it looks kind of like the roots of a tree and the user
[01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:55.760]  just follows one route all the way out to the end. He doesn't see all the rest of that,
[01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:01.200]  but the lawyer can open up the whole thing. So the lawyer gets a client and the client
[01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:11.760]  moves down this line through the system. The lawyer can open it up and see all the elements.
[01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:17.240]  The questionnaire gives him all the elements. So if he has case law that goes to a particular
[01:08:17.240 --> 01:08:25.200]  element, he needs a way to connect the case law to that element. So in the output product,
[01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:31.920]  you'll design a system where there will be a link to a folder. On this element, he can
[01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.840]  click it. It'll open a folder and he can drop his case law that goes specifically to this
[01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:45.120]  element in that folder. And we get other lawyers to do the same thing. When I'm doing research,
[01:08:45.120 --> 01:08:53.840]  I find great cases. They just don't address what I'm looking for. And I've tried to find
[01:08:53.840 --> 01:09:04.680]  a way to keep track of all of them. And I've got this 16 gigabyte repository where I create
[01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:12.760]  a folder name that is representative of the issue and drop the case in there. But when
[01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.880]  I need it the next time, I have to remember how I named it so I'll be able to go find
[01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:25.640]  it. The questionnaire gives you a map right to it. So every time I come across a case,
[01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:30.680]  it's a great case. But for a different point, I can follow the map to that point, drop the
[01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:42.600]  case in there. In a very short time, we will have an exhaustive repository of case law,
[01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:51.320]  pleadings, points and authorities on every element you can think of so that the lawyer
[01:09:51.320 --> 01:09:59.320]  doesn't have to worry about missing anything. But even normally the lawyers will create
[01:09:59.320 --> 01:10:06.240]  that because essentially they don't have to have it. If you have one lawyer who's going
[01:10:06.240 --> 01:10:11.280]  to come in here with this accumulated expertise, the other lawyer is going to have to do the
[01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:17.080]  same or he's going to get clobbered. So this will essentially force all of the lawyers
[01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:26.520]  to either use this tool or one somebody else develops similar to it to organize the case
[01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:35.200]  law and the pleadings. Right now, it's like a crapshoot. If your lawyer happens to find
[01:10:35.200 --> 01:10:41.360]  the right case law and the other lawyer doesn't find the right case law to counter it, even
[01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:50.520]  though the case law may be out there, you lose. This tool will standardize the practice
[01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:57.440]  of law. There's a movie, Judge Dredd with Sylvester
[01:10:57.440 --> 01:11:03.520]  Salon. It's a futuristic movie. And in one scene in the movie, Judge Dredd writes this
[01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:13.240]  guy a ticket and he goes over to this kiosk and an electronic judge pops up on the screen
[01:11:13.240 --> 01:11:23.040]  and adjudicates the case right there. That is almost what this tool will make available
[01:11:23.040 --> 01:11:31.120]  because it will render the law very consistent. It will no longer be variable based on the
[01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:39.520]  skill of your lawyer. Everybody will have access to all of the law relevant to an issue
[01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:48.120]  so it will become very consistent. And that consistency will eliminate the need for a
[01:11:48.120 --> 01:11:55.080]  lot of lawyers. But we'll still need lawyers to adjudicate
[01:11:55.080 --> 01:12:02.280]  first-plus issues. This will always be new first-plus issues. When new law is passed,
[01:12:02.280 --> 01:12:08.760]  we'll need lawyers to work out how this law integrates into the Corpus Juris, the body
[01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:13.280]  of law. So it won't eliminate the profession of lawyer, but we'll dramatically decrease
[01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:23.080]  it. And the lawyers really won't have an option because if they are to come to the table with
[01:12:23.080 --> 01:12:30.520]  requisite technology, they'll have to use our tool. We've got all that down and we've
[01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:40.600]  got a very sophisticated set of tools. Now we're at the point to where we're trying
[01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:48.800]  to figure out how do we get this in the hand of the person who needs it the most and that's
[01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:57.000]  not the lawyer. My motivation has never been money. If my motivation was money, good chance
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:03.920]  I'd be rich by now, but that never was my motivation. And here my motivation is very
[01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:13.320]  clearly defined. My purpose is to find legal remedy for the ordinary individual. And the
[01:13:13.320 --> 01:13:18.720]  way to get to that remedy is to put our lawyers and judges in a position to where they have
[01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:23.600]  to do what's right whether they want to or not. And removing all of this is about moving
[01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:35.040]  in that direction. Now, how do we get this into the hands of every individual who needs
[01:13:35.040 --> 01:13:46.800]  it when they need it? That's what the app is all about. And that's why I need people
[01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:56.720]  to think about what we're proposing here and tell us where we're full of crapola. Our problem
[01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:08.680]  is, is we get too immersed in the subject matter and we wrap these boxes around us that
[01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:18.760]  we can't see. I just, I think yesterday I spoke about how I was frustrated with myself
[01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:28.120]  because of something that once you recognize it, it's glaringly obvious. But it took me
[01:14:28.120 --> 01:14:37.200]  forever to figure it out. And that's as in speaking to the venue of a grand jury. If
[01:14:37.200 --> 01:14:41.600]  you have a complaint, you take the, you're complaining to a grand jury, well, which
[01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:52.640]  grand jury do you take it to? And what just automatically came to mind was the grand jury
[01:14:52.640 --> 01:15:03.840]  in the venue that has venue over the area where the infraction occurred. Well, that's
[01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:15.000]  based on an unstated presupposition, an unstated presupposition that the venue of a grand jury
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:25.320]  is restricted to the venue of a district court. There is no such restriction. You know, I
[01:15:25.320 --> 01:15:31.480]  get on here and I huff and puff and I say, you know, public officials can only do what
[01:15:31.480 --> 01:15:36.160]  the law specifically allows them to do. And us, private citizens, heck, we do anything
[01:15:36.160 --> 01:15:46.360]  we want to. And then I find myself stepping right into the shoes of our public officials
[01:15:46.360 --> 01:15:54.080]  because I'm too immersed in it. I know the law surrounding venue and jurisdiction too
[01:15:54.080 --> 01:16:02.400]  well. So when I think about who can do what, my knowledge of venue and jurisdiction just
[01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:14.160]  jumps up in front of me and nothing ever says why. And finally, one day, we went to the district
[01:16:14.160 --> 01:16:23.000]  attorney in Dallas County with criminal complaints and they threw us out of the office. So I'm
[01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:33.160]  thinking, what's my remedy when the prosecutor in the venue restricts my access to the grand
[01:16:33.160 --> 01:16:42.800]  jury and my previous remedies has been we'll go to the district judge within the venue.
[01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:48.520]  But he's going to do the same thing. And I know it's going to be. Finally, after about
[01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:55.520]  30 years, it dawns on me. There's no venue restriction at all. And you address that little
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[01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:34.000]  Okay, we are back. We're in the Kelton Street Skidmore. There is our radio on this December
[01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:47.080]  15, 2014, and when we went out, we were talking about grand juries indirectly, but more specifically,
[01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:56.120]  how we get stuck inside our unstated presuppositions. We get ourselves trapped inside a box we can't
[01:19:56.120 --> 01:20:05.840]  see out of, and we need people who don't live inside this box that we're inside and who
[01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:15.520]  can give us some suggestions of other things that we can do. But so far, we've got no
[01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:24.880]  calls at all tonight, so the phone lines are open 512-646-1984, and if you have a question
[01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:32.800]  or a comment about the most in any subject, give us a call. It's not restricted to what
[01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:39.840]  I happen to be talking about. This is just one of the things that I'm deeply involved
[01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:48.640]  in at the moment, and I wanted to kind of go through what it was all about, hoping I
[01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:56.480]  can get your participation. But in the process of kind of getting, I didn't intend to get
[01:20:56.480 --> 01:21:05.760]  into how all of this developed, but it's been a good opportunity for me to organizing
[01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:14.520]  how I think about some of it. I have to do that on occasion. If you've never sat down
[01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:23.720]  and carefully thought about how you think about the things you think about, it's time
[01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:33.120]  you thought about it. I try to do that on a regular basis to keep what I'm doing fresh
[01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:42.720]  and invigorated. Right now, it really is getting pretty invigorated, invigorating, because
[01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:50.440]  things are changing. If you look around you right now, the news just before I came on
[01:21:50.440 --> 01:22:01.600]  the show, the headline said that the demonstrations around the country are increasing. After these
[01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:13.760]  latest grand jury no-bills, the public at this point seems to really be up in arms.
[01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:26.120]  If ever there was a time for us to have influence, to put things in place to eliminate the police
[01:22:26.120 --> 01:22:37.200]  state that has grown up over the last 30 years or so, now is the time to get that done. And
[01:22:37.200 --> 01:22:43.320]  we have some tools to do that with. This doesn't go to the application that I'm working on,
[01:22:43.320 --> 01:22:53.320]  but this is a different thing. We need to lobby our legislators to change legislation.
[01:22:53.320 --> 01:22:59.880]  But in saying that, it's a little more, there's more to it than just asking your legislator
[01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:13.640]  to do this, that, or the other. If you want a legislator to take on an issue for you,
[01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:22.960]  don't expect him to do your homework for you. You have to design the legislation. You have
[01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:32.000]  to do the legal research surrounding the legislation. And you also have to show how the legislation
[01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:38.960]  will fit in with the Corpus Juris, the body of law, to make sure that it doesn't conflict
[01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:46.920]  with any other legislation or case law. And you have to demonstrate how you'll get the
[01:23:46.920 --> 01:24:00.520]  money to pay for it. Well, with all of that in mind, we have over time kind of whittled
[01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:11.880]  things down to the least amount of change we can make that will have the greatest effect.
[01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:18.960]  And with all of this pressure on grand juries around the country right now, from all of
[01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:28.520]  these protesters, it is the perfect time to do what we need done. And what I'm looking
[01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:42.280]  at proposing in Texas is legislation that will require the grand jury to set aside time at
[01:24:42.280 --> 01:24:54.640]  least once a month or at least once a session to hear complaints by private citizens. Because
[01:24:54.640 --> 01:25:03.840]  20.09 makes it the duty of the grand jury to investigate into all criminal accusations
[01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:10.760]  in just a second. And I will pull that up. It didn't read exactly the way I had been
[01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:18.000]  paraphrasing it. I would rather read it exactly how it's written in the code. It's very clear.
[01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:35.280]  Okay, here it is. 20.09, duties of grand jury. The grand jury shall inquire into all offenses
[01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:42.240]  liable to indictment of which any member may have knowledge, or of which they shall be
[01:25:42.240 --> 01:25:52.560]  informed by the attorney representing the state, or any other credible person. What we have
[01:25:52.560 --> 01:26:02.880]  happening is the district attorney exerting or purporting to exert an authority to deny
[01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:12.440]  access to a grand jury by private citizens. There's nothing in the code that gives him
[01:26:12.440 --> 01:26:22.000]  that authority. He has just taken it. So we can fight it, and I would have a plan to
[01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:32.200]  overcome that issue even without new legislation. But if we could get legislation, we could
[01:26:32.200 --> 01:26:42.040]  get this done without a fight. And it would prevent this issue from occurring again. And
[01:26:42.040 --> 01:26:55.040]  the legislation being, in addition to 20.09, 20.09A, in order to facilitate the intent
[01:26:55.040 --> 01:27:03.040]  of 20.09, the grand jury shall make itself available at least once a month to hear complaints
[01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:17.840]  by credible persons. Now, that will not conflict with any law. It does not in any way infringe
[01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:25.960]  upon the authority or the duties of the grand jury. As a matter of fact, it facilitates the
[01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:36.200]  duty of the grand jury, and it won't cost any extra, plus the grand jury is sitting anyway.
[01:27:36.200 --> 01:27:45.920]  This is the most elegant piece of legislation we could come up with that would tend to have
[01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:55.640]  the greatest effect and be the hardest one for anyone to argue against. How would you
[01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:02.960]  take a position against this? I've looked at it and tried to figure out how I could
[01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:09.760]  make an argument against this legislation without arguing that the legislature was too
[01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:16.080]  ignorant to know what they were doing when they passed the legislation, 20.09, when they
[01:28:16.080 --> 01:28:21.080]  said, an incredible person. The only thing you could argue is that a credible person
[01:28:21.080 --> 01:28:29.520]  is not sophisticated enough to be able to give notice to a grand jury, but then that
[01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:36.960]  goes to the whole structure of our criminal justice system. Only private citizens are
[01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:43.080]  authorized to give notice of criminal acts. If a police officer gives notice of a criminal
[01:28:43.080 --> 01:28:50.640]  act, he does it in his private capacity. If a prosecuting attorney gives notice of a criminal
[01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:59.480]  act, he does it in his personal capacity, and he can't prosecute the case wherein he's
[01:28:59.480 --> 01:29:05.480]  the one that filed a criminal complaint. Kennedy State forbids that. It says in order to avoid
[01:29:05.480 --> 01:29:09.800]  the obvious evils of the accumulation of power in any one office for the purpose of filing
[01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:15.800]  a criminal complaint, the prosecuting attorney is not a credible person. So it has to be
[01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:20.120]  a private citizen who files a complaint, so they'd have a hard time arguing against this.
[01:29:20.120 --> 01:29:25.080]  We have a couple of calls showing up. We're about to go to break. John in Texas, Chris
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[01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:51.200]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton and Steve Skidmore with our radio. Thank you so much
[01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:56.200]  for joining us today.
[01:33:56.200 --> 01:34:07.000]  Well, I talked to you two or three weeks ago, and I think I told you that I was reopening
[01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:16.840]  my closed bankruptcy. I filed bankruptcy, and it was discharged the 23rd of July this
[01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:32.640]  year. There's an attorney firm that was in Dallas. It's got that Barnett Daffy flapper
[01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:53.400]  Turner in England. Well, I filed that to reopen the bankruptcy case the 25th of November, two
[01:34:53.400 --> 01:35:03.480]  days before Thanksgiving. I filed it, and the next day, the 26th, the day before Thanksgiving,
[01:35:03.480 --> 01:35:13.760]  I filed in the data records a notice of reopening and automatic to put the automatic stay back
[01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:27.040]  into existence. Well, things went along, and then last Monday, the first, I faxed a notice
[01:35:27.040 --> 01:35:36.760]  over to the attorney that were to full close on me last Tuesday. Well, I talked to Bank
[01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:39.920]  of America. They're the ones that have the lien on it. They think they have the lien
[01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:49.480]  on it. This is one of those Americans post-sale lenders, New York Corporation. Well, I talked
[01:35:49.480 --> 01:35:56.560]  to Bank of America the morning of the Tuesday of the sale, and the lady said, you might
[01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:03.040]  ought to go down there and give a notice to the trustee that was going to sell that one.
[01:36:03.040 --> 01:36:08.040]  So I went down there and met with him, and the trustee, the substitute trustee said
[01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:17.040]  that he would pull it, or he won't sell it. Well, the next day, Wednesday, there's a lady
[01:36:17.040 --> 01:36:23.360]  contact me, and they said, when are you going to move? They went ahead and had the sale.
[01:36:23.360 --> 01:36:33.880]  Well, I was pretty shocked about that. So you probably would want to sue the person
[01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:44.920]  who purchased and the trustee for selling. Yes. The trustee is immune from suit so long
[01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:54.000]  as he acts in good faith. But when you gave him notice of issues concerning the foreclosure,
[01:36:54.000 --> 01:37:01.200]  he can no longer claim good faith. So you sue him personally. I've been working on
[01:37:01.200 --> 01:37:08.560]  the paperwork for all days. It's about 4 a.m. this morning. But Randy, there's a much bigger
[01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:23.200]  problem. This attorney firm in Dallas, they sent me a copy of a promissory note. The Bank
[01:37:23.200 --> 01:37:35.080]  of America also sent me a copy of a promissory note. Then they brought in a third attorney,
[01:37:35.080 --> 01:37:45.800]  and she sent me a copy of a promissory note. Randy, those three promissory notes were forgeries.
[01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:55.880]  Are the three promissory notes identical? Yes. And you can establish that they are forgeries?
[01:37:55.880 --> 01:38:08.840]  Very, very easily. Santiago V. Mackie. Okay. I've got four. I might have six copies, but
[01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:18.120]  I was faxed through it. Now, the man that supposedly signed it is a rubber stamp, and
[01:38:18.120 --> 01:38:29.040]  he left. It was countrywide, and he left in August 2006. It's very easy to prove that
[01:38:29.040 --> 01:38:37.360]  they're forgeries. Well, I discovered something when I was looking at these documents. What
[01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:45.960]  I did, I took them apart, I scanned them, and the account number is in the upper right
[01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:57.600]  hand corner. But one of the things I could not understand, the lady from Bank of America,
[01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:08.560]  she forged a little bit of the account number, and what didn't make sense, the one that the
[01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:19.520]  Dallas Company, that Barnett Daffy Clapper, their number was real clear. I figured it
[01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:28.120]  out. Oh, incidentally, the third attorney, she blacked it out, the account number in
[01:39:28.120 --> 01:39:36.040]  the upper right hand corner. Well, what I figured out was the lady, attorney with this
[01:39:36.040 --> 01:39:45.760]  Barnett Daffy Clapper, she took the rubber stamp and stamped it herself, or someone in
[01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:56.120]  the office stamped it. In other words, her right hand corner number was clear as a bell,
[01:39:56.120 --> 01:40:05.000]  but the one from Bank of America isn't. What it's saying is, the lady in Dallas with the
[01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:14.960]  Daffy Clapper, they sent a copy that they forged to Bank of America. It's just a robo-signing
[01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:22.040]  coming down, the attorney from in Dallas, Clapper deal, sent it to Bank of America,
[01:40:22.040 --> 01:40:28.040]  and that's why the number was all jacked up, and she put, she draw it in like four numbers
[01:40:28.040 --> 01:40:36.440]  on the account number, and that's what I figured out. They forged it in Dallas.
[01:40:36.440 --> 01:40:50.080]  Okay. The account number in the corner. Now, that's just one part of it. Okay. My question
[01:40:50.080 --> 01:40:59.280]  is, how is that material? Well, it's material from a standpoint. There's no question. There
[01:40:59.280 --> 01:41:08.920]  are three forgeries. They were stamped on the third page, America's wholesale lender, DBA,
[01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:17.800]  countywide, each one of them third page, but the promissory notes that I've got, they're
[01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:25.680]  not even stamped on the third page, but on the front page is it was certified by, I can't
[01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:31.280]  remember, I can't read, I don't know what it is, but it's a certification, this is a
[01:41:31.280 --> 01:41:38.600]  true and correct copy, and the other three that the attorneys have, the certification
[01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:44.160]  is not even on it. Now, when I say that...
[01:41:44.160 --> 01:41:53.360]  Okay, wait a minute. Under what circumstances did these other attorneys include this document?
[01:41:53.360 --> 01:42:00.000]  Now, the one, the one in Dallas? Yes.
[01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:10.800]  She sent me a notice of change, a substitute trustee and a full-closure notice.
[01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:15.720]  And the document was attached? Yes.
[01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:19.520]  For what purpose? Just to send me a copy.
[01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:26.040]  I didn't pay any more, but she sent it.
[01:42:26.040 --> 01:42:35.440]  I'm trying to find a way to make a claim based on that document. Apparently, they sent you
[01:42:35.440 --> 01:42:47.600]  a copy, but they didn't claim that this was a true and accurate copy of the original.
[01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:59.200]  Since it was, okay, was this, it wasn't filed in a court case, it was just sent to you.
[01:42:59.200 --> 01:43:05.000]  Have you made a request for the original under UCC 3ds 501?
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:13.400]  Well, as a matter of fact, I did. The bankruptcy, they're going to have hearing on the 16th
[01:43:13.400 --> 01:43:20.560]  of this month at 1.30 p.m. And I did a whole list of people. There's about the trustee,
[01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:28.680]  the three attorney firms. There might have been another one. But I asked them, just asking,
[01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:35.800]  bring the original. And see, I do not call that a promissory note. It's not a promissory
[01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:46.120]  note. It's an investment of security because it's over nine months old. Hey, catch on
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[01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:32.440]  Okay, we are back. Randy Feldman, Student Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to John
[01:46:32.440 --> 01:46:41.760]  in Texas. Okay, John, what I'm trying to get to, it goes to how we make claims. I'm trying
[01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:52.880]  to figure out how we can frame a claim that the court will consider material. And I really
[01:46:52.880 --> 01:47:01.200]  need Steve here because he has some knowledge in this area that I don't have. And I appreciate
[01:47:01.200 --> 01:47:08.160]  you're addressing that as a security. That is something that I had heard before, but
[01:47:08.160 --> 01:47:14.400]  I haven't gotten it programmed in my brain to think of it that way.
[01:47:14.400 --> 01:47:27.960]  So there's a little more to it. They did not enlarge that investment security 150% larger
[01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:35.200]  or 150% less when they mailed that to me. That's a federal offense.
[01:47:35.200 --> 01:47:47.520]  Yes, it is. You can't make an exact copy of a security. That's like making an exact
[01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:57.240]  copy of a Federal Reserve note. You have to make it black and white or bigger or smaller.
[01:47:57.240 --> 01:48:11.440]  150%. But that's not a claim you could make in the court. That's correct. How do we get
[01:48:11.440 --> 01:48:20.560]  to, I want to see this get to Santiago v. Mackie. And I'm sure you know what that is, but for
[01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:29.040]  the ones who don't, Guy sent a request to Mackie. Mackie is one of the foreclosure
[01:48:29.040 --> 01:48:38.000]  mills here in Texas. Sent a request to his office under UCC3-501 to examine the original
[01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:48.200]  instrument. Now, the lawyer was not required to give the original instrument to the individual,
[01:48:48.200 --> 01:48:53.760]  but he was required to make the instrument available for inspection. So Mackie called
[01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:56.920]  the guy and said, yeah, we got it down here at the office. Just come on down, we'll show
[01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:04.640]  it to you. So he went down to the office. Mackie showed him a copy. The guy walks. And
[01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:13.560]  then he sued Mackie for presenting a fraudulent document. Mackie was kind of a bonehead.
[01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:20.240]  He's not sharp as a knife in the door. He, in his motion to dismiss the suit, he merely
[01:49:20.240 --> 01:49:28.040]  argued that he was immune from suit. And the court said, no, you're not because filing
[01:49:28.040 --> 01:49:35.600]  a, presenting a fraudulent document is not a duty of a lawyer. So this is where we're,
[01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:46.040]  in my questions, is where I'm trying to get to. How can we say he presented a document
[01:49:46.040 --> 01:49:58.240]  in a way that we can claim the copy as being fraudulent? And you're close on one where
[01:49:58.240 --> 01:50:08.400]  you can show that the document with the clear stamp, the fresh stamp is one created by the
[01:50:08.400 --> 01:50:15.960]  lawyers. The ones with the faded stamp is the one that was supposedly made by Bank of
[01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:25.200]  America. Who's the one that should be the entity holding the original. Well, so the
[01:50:25.200 --> 01:50:31.080]  problem is the original holder has got a faded copy and the copy holder has got the
[01:50:31.080 --> 01:50:40.920]  unfaded copy. I see where your argument is. The girl with Bank of America sent me a copy
[01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:48.320]  of the, it would be simple just to say, promissory note, but she enclosed her letters that I
[01:50:48.320 --> 01:50:58.360]  have the original, but I can't send you a copy of it. And she also said, I will send
[01:50:58.360 --> 01:51:06.240]  under separate letters because I ask for the real parties and interests. And she has not
[01:51:06.240 --> 01:51:09.800]  sent me a letter with the real parties and interests, but she said, I,
[01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:18.080]  Would you make a specific, if she said she's got it, did she do that in an email or a letter?
[01:51:18.080 --> 01:51:28.880]  I got it in a letter. Okay. Send her a request on the 3ds 501. She said she had it. Yeah,
[01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:35.320]  I've got it. Now she's required to show it to you. She's right. She can't send it to
[01:51:35.320 --> 01:51:43.800]  you and she can't give it to you, but she has to show it to you. Now, I need to tell
[01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:53.560]  you this. When I filed that to reopen the bankruptcy case, I did it ex-parki. So anyway,
[01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:57.960]  the court, the bankruptcy court said we probably need to have a little hearing on this in case
[01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:04.800]  somebody objects. So that's why I'm going to have a hearing the 16th of December about
[01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:12.760]  reopening the case. And I invited, that's all I did, invited those people, the three
[01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:20.800]  attorneys and the trustee. And there's another trustee that lowered the price of this house
[01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:33.640]  from 82,900 to 32,500 last January. And I said, bring the original and your authority
[01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:45.000]  to make a presentation for the real owners. He's asking. Okay. And in your reopening, did
[01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:56.080]  you re-declare the property is unsecured? Oh, I did that. Wonderful. And last January.
[01:52:56.080 --> 01:53:06.560]  Oh, wait a minute. You did that before it was closed? Yes. Did they, did the bank prove
[01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:14.520]  up to the trustee satisfaction or did they discharge? They discharged it. They did that.
[01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:23.960]  Nobody filed anything. It's just some minor in a... Okay. Hold on. Hold on. So did the
[01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:37.680]  bank discharge the note obligation? Yes. 15 U.S. Code 546, I think. I need Steve on for
[01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:48.640]  this one. Under the bankruptcy code, once the underlying debt is extinguished, the
[01:53:48.640 --> 01:54:00.000]  holder of the security instrument is forbidden to attempt to any collection procedures, specifically
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:13.800]  forbidden by statute. I also, on part A, I put exempt property of this house also. And
[01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:24.520]  I listed the trustee that lowered the price from $82,900 to $32,500. He did not file any
[01:54:24.520 --> 01:54:32.920]  kind of a proof of claim. Okay. There's no proof of claim and the judge, the only thing
[01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:44.440]  you care about if the judge... No, what's the term? Oh, if he discharged the underlying
[01:54:44.440 --> 01:54:54.960]  debt and I'm looking for... Steve's not here right now. He got hung up. But he's the one
[01:54:54.960 --> 01:55:06.200]  that brought this to my attention. The bankruptcy code that forbids the lender from pursuing
[01:55:06.200 --> 01:55:16.920]  any kind of collection activities once the underlying debt has been discharged. I should
[01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:29.080]  have it right here. It's close. I think it was 15 U.S. Code 586, but I may not serve
[01:55:29.080 --> 01:55:37.880]  me correctly. You really need to read that one. Actually, a little further back. That
[01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:45.360]  should be essentially the only thing you address until that has been adjudicated. Anything else
[01:55:45.360 --> 01:55:58.040]  goes to merits. And they can't get to merits if they can't get past this specific federal
[01:55:58.040 --> 01:56:10.840]  statutory prohibition. And for some reason, I'm not seeing it in Steve's Skype. But I
[01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:16.960]  hope he'll be back later. If he is, send me an email. I'll get it from Steve and I will
[01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:28.040]  send that to you. Okay. It was very definitive. Let me try looking it up on the Internet.
[01:56:28.040 --> 01:56:42.720]  It's 15, the bankruptcy code. Yeah, I know that number. It's 546 or 86. Don't remember
[01:56:42.720 --> 01:57:00.160]  exactly. Ah, I'm not finding it. I don't have the number right. Isn't it an indi-dible
[01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:08.320]  of fans to send forgeries in the mail those three ladies did? Yeah, but it's really hard
[01:57:08.320 --> 01:57:19.000]  to get the feds to act on that kind of thing. And in that instance, you don't have standing
[01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:28.600]  to take action against them yourself. And that's part of a problem there. Because while
[01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:39.120]  they did something wrong, it's not something that you can go after them for in the bankruptcy
[01:57:39.120 --> 01:57:49.040]  or in the trial court. Only the U.S. Attorney or the Postal Inspectors can go after them
[01:57:49.040 --> 01:57:56.080]  for that. So that's the problem with that one. I mean, they're just like soldiers. They're
[01:57:56.080 --> 01:58:08.960]  not any good. Well, we go back to Santiago de Maki. Santiago de Maki allows you to sue
[01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:17.960]  the lawyer if they seem to need to file a new document. Okay. I'm not finding that
[01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:30.120]  so easy. And so, I'm going to put it in a place where I can find it, and I'm a guy.
[01:58:30.120 --> 01:58:40.560]  Guys don't do forethought. Only women do that. But I'm hoping that someone will show up.
[01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:45.240]  If he doesn't, see me in the mail. I'll get that to you. One of the things we need to
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