[00:08.600 --> 00:13.600]  I'm Bryan Hagen with your Liberty Beat for Thursday, October 2nd, 2014.
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[00:51.640 --> 00:55.400]  Texans for Accountable Government held a City Council Candidates Forum earlier this week,
[00:55.400 --> 00:58.120]  attended by over 75 accountability activists.
[00:58.120 --> 00:59.120]  Here's John Bush.
[00:59.120 --> 01:04.240]  The upcoming election, taking place on November 4th, is the first since Austin voters elected
[01:04.240 --> 01:07.760]  to have single-member districts with elections in November.
[01:07.760 --> 01:12.000]  One of the candidates present was Don Zimmerman, who's running in District 6.
[01:12.000 --> 01:15.960]  Zimmerman is well-known in the local Liberty community for his role in organizing during
[01:15.960 --> 01:18.900]  the Ron Paul for President 2008 campaign.
[01:18.900 --> 01:23.720]  At the forum, Don touted his experience as a taxpayer advocate, as he shared his role
[01:23.720 --> 01:28.200]  in a recent legal battle between the Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District, of which
[01:28.200 --> 01:32.560]  Don was the president, and the City of Austin, a dispute which ended up going all the way
[01:32.560 --> 01:34.600]  to the state Supreme Court.
[01:34.600 --> 01:39.440]  So they elected me, engineer of no charm, and we started a lawsuit against them, and
[01:39.440 --> 01:44.480]  after fighting them for seven years, we actually beat the City of Austin on an illegal taxation
[01:44.480 --> 01:49.040]  issue, and we abolished a property tax.
[01:49.040 --> 01:53.680]  More information about Don's campaign can be found at DonZimmerman.org.
[01:53.680 --> 01:58.240]  Ken Phillips, a Liberty candidate running in District 3, also addressed the crowd.
[01:58.240 --> 02:02.400]  Ken is an activist who previously ran as a Libertarian against Democratic Senator Kirk
[02:02.400 --> 02:03.400]  Watson.
[02:03.400 --> 02:09.340]  Ken's biggest issues are corporate protectionism, police accountability, traffic, and gentrification.
[02:09.340 --> 02:13.600]  At the forum, he touched upon a police department reform that seemed to resonate nicely with
[02:13.600 --> 02:14.600]  the audience.
[02:14.600 --> 02:18.200]  I would actually go so far as to say we can start putting cameras on the police officers'
[02:18.200 --> 02:22.920]  colors, and so the people always see the weather going.
[02:22.920 --> 02:28.140]  More information about Ken's campaign can be found at VoteKenPhillips.com.
[02:28.140 --> 02:32.360]  Be sure to tune in to tomorrow's edition of the Liberty Beat as we discuss candidates
[02:32.360 --> 02:36.840]  Michael Cargill for District 1 and Laura Presley in District 4.
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[02:51.480 --> 02:55.160]  This is the Liberty Beat for Thursday, October 2nd, 2014.
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[03:55.160 --> 04:24.760]  Howdy, howdy.
[04:24.760 --> 04:28.660]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[04:28.660 --> 04:40.680]  On this October 2nd, 2014, another year has almost slipped by us while we weren't looking.
[04:40.680 --> 04:47.760]  And last week, I talked about politics, and I talked about the politics because it led
[04:47.760 --> 04:49.880]  somewhere else.
[04:49.880 --> 04:56.840]  You know, I've been doing this show a long time and I've been helping people with foreclosure
[04:56.840 --> 05:04.200]  and criminal and other issues for a long time.
[05:04.200 --> 05:14.000]  NOAA helped over 600, probably close to 700 people file suits in foreclosure issues.
[05:14.000 --> 05:19.800]  And for the most part, we can hold off the banks.
[05:19.800 --> 05:29.340]  But while we get an occasional win, the number of wins we get are incredibly few.
[05:29.340 --> 05:31.480]  And we understood that going in.
[05:31.480 --> 05:37.080]  Primary purpose was to buy time.
[05:37.080 --> 05:48.440]  And over all of this time, it's frustrating to me that there were other remedies available
[05:48.440 --> 05:56.080]  that those of us in the legal reform community blinded ourselves to.
[05:56.080 --> 06:03.880]  And because we tend to be the fighters, and since we tend to be the fighters, we primarily
[06:03.880 --> 06:19.720]  tend to want to fight, and we look for remedies that tend to match or go along with our personal
[06:19.720 --> 06:22.960]  proclivities.
[06:22.960 --> 06:26.640]  That's not necessarily the best remedy.
[06:26.640 --> 06:34.880]  And I have for a while been frustrated with my lack of ability to get past these incredibly
[06:34.880 --> 06:47.760]  corrupt courts and actually get the courts to rule the way we would expect them to rule
[06:47.760 --> 06:51.640]  by determining the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence and applying the law
[06:51.640 --> 06:59.640]  and the facts to come to the case, and it's been a frustration and we've taken a while
[06:59.640 --> 07:11.480]  to come to the realization that winning may not quite be what we thought it was.
[07:11.480 --> 07:19.840]  And there may be another way to frame what a win will be, and another way to get to a
[07:19.840 --> 07:33.760]  win, and last week we talked about the politics, about how to use our pleadings to gain leverage.
[07:33.760 --> 07:39.280]  And tonight I'm going to talk more about why we want the leverage.
[07:39.280 --> 07:44.600]  It's not because we think we can get the court to rule in our favor.
[07:44.600 --> 07:50.080]  Technically, I'm at the point where I consider the court to be essentially irrelevant.
[07:50.080 --> 07:52.800]  The court's a given.
[07:52.800 --> 07:58.800]  The given is that the court's going to rule against you out of hand at every turn.
[07:58.800 --> 08:05.800]  But the problem that the banks still have, even though the courts are pretty well bought
[08:05.800 --> 08:13.200]  and paid for, is we have this country that has all of these annoying laws that go to
[08:13.200 --> 08:15.280]  due process.
[08:15.280 --> 08:22.040]  So even when you're screwing somebody big time, you still have to give them at least
[08:22.040 --> 08:26.200]  the semblance of due process.
[08:26.200 --> 08:33.800]  And because of that, we have other options available to us.
[08:33.800 --> 08:38.240]  In the end, it's not about the law, it's all about the money.
[08:38.240 --> 08:41.560]  It's always about the money.
[08:41.560 --> 08:46.800]  The banks have the most money, and the lawyers are out there.
[08:46.800 --> 08:51.680]  They don't have as much money, but they're trying to get a lot of money.
[08:51.680 --> 08:56.800]  And the way they get a lot of money is they get it from the banks, defending against guys
[08:56.800 --> 08:57.800]  like us.
[08:57.800 --> 09:06.560]  So lawyers like us, especially for pro se, because we tend to give them a sure win, but
[09:06.560 --> 09:11.480]  in the process we file lots of annoying documents that the lawyers have to respond to, and they
[09:11.480 --> 09:14.460]  charge a lot of money to do that.
[09:14.460 --> 09:21.280]  So these are the influences on the bank, and recently we've had the banks complaining
[09:21.280 --> 09:26.160]  rather loudly about their litigation costs.
[09:26.160 --> 09:31.560]  And I was certainly glad to hear that, because in the end it's all about the money, and
[09:31.560 --> 09:38.480]  if it's beginning to cost the banks more money to fight with us, then to come to some
[09:38.480 --> 09:47.360]  other solution, then we need to develop another solution, and there's a number of ways of
[09:47.360 --> 09:49.240]  doing that.
[09:49.240 --> 09:52.640]  First off, we can sue them, we can sue them a whole bunch.
[09:52.640 --> 09:54.640]  Hang on just a sec.
[09:54.640 --> 09:58.600]  Excuse me, I didn't want to sneeze into the microphone.
[09:58.600 --> 10:03.040]  It gets real excited when I do that.
[10:03.040 --> 10:10.800]  First thing we want to do is figure out what all the claims that we have are.
[10:10.800 --> 10:21.080]  Now I'm not in any way suggesting that we pursue an invalid or frivolous claim.
[10:21.080 --> 10:22.720]  We don't have to.
[10:22.720 --> 10:29.680]  The banks have been so arrogant, and they've screwed things up so horribly, that we don't
[10:29.680 --> 10:35.600]  have to address a frivolous issue.
[10:35.600 --> 10:42.040]  We have lots of really pertinent, well-founded issues to throw at them.
[10:42.040 --> 10:52.520]  But in crafting remedies, what I've come to is the conclusion that the best remedy we
[10:52.520 --> 11:01.160]  can achieve is through mediation, is through making a deal with the banks.
[11:01.160 --> 11:06.560]  I know a lot of people out there are going to bristle at that, and you want to get out
[11:06.560 --> 11:09.840]  there and you want to fight them and you want to beat them up.
[11:09.840 --> 11:18.600]  But frankly, the more enthusiastic you are about fighting them and taking them on, the
[11:18.600 --> 11:27.840]  easier it will be for the banks to give you a feeling of betrayal and defeat.
[11:27.840 --> 11:31.680]  The one tends to lead to the other.
[11:31.680 --> 11:35.320]  What was it the priest said to Romeo and Juliet?
[11:35.320 --> 11:38.320]  Therefore, love moderately.
[11:38.320 --> 11:41.520]  Long love death so.
[11:41.520 --> 11:48.440]  In the fight against these guys, we need not to get too passionate because that passion
[11:48.440 --> 11:51.620]  is so easily deflated.
[11:51.620 --> 12:03.540]  We need to back up, pay attention, get mean, get serious, and figure out what do I want
[12:03.540 --> 12:06.160]  and how can I get there?
[12:06.160 --> 12:16.160]  Now, if you want everything, face the world you live in, you're not going to get it.
[12:16.160 --> 12:19.440]  It just doesn't work that way.
[12:19.440 --> 12:25.160]  At least it never has for me, maybe for somebody, but I've never found that I ever got everything
[12:25.160 --> 12:27.120]  I wanted.
[12:27.120 --> 12:29.360]  We need to stop expecting everything you want.
[12:29.360 --> 12:34.240]  We ask for everything you want, but don't really expect to get it.
[12:34.240 --> 12:42.320]  Sit down and decide for you what would be an equitable outcome, and then let's figure
[12:42.320 --> 12:50.840]  out how we can give the banks a reason to give you that equitable outcome.
[12:50.840 --> 13:00.320]  The way we do that is we look at the issues the banks have given us that we can address
[13:00.320 --> 13:07.120]  and then we look at the best way to address those issues.
[13:07.120 --> 13:15.640]  Normally, when you file a suit, the courts want you to bring all the claims you have
[13:15.640 --> 13:18.200]  when you come to the table.
[13:18.200 --> 13:21.480]  They don't want you filing a bunch of suits.
[13:21.480 --> 13:24.560]  However, the courts are corrupt.
[13:24.560 --> 13:32.960]  If you file a suit that has anything even vaguely resembling a federal issue, the lawyers
[13:32.960 --> 13:36.960]  are going to bump it out to the federal courts and the federal courts are going to dismiss
[13:36.960 --> 13:40.880]  with prejudice, out of hand at every turn.
[13:40.880 --> 13:48.080]  They know they really do have the federal courts bought and paid for.
[13:48.080 --> 13:51.680]  State courts, they are elected.
[13:51.680 --> 13:58.540]  They have other political issues going on, but the federal courts, they're a waste
[13:58.540 --> 14:00.200]  of our time.
[14:00.200 --> 14:05.640]  So we want to keep out of the federal courts unless we don't really care what happens
[14:05.640 --> 14:12.080]  to the suit, and what I've been helping people do initially is we go back and start
[14:12.080 --> 14:21.880]  at the beginning and we craft our issues in a way that we don't have to claim everything
[14:21.880 --> 14:24.840]  we have all at once.
[14:24.840 --> 14:34.680]  We want to look at the claims we have and how can we use these claims to trap the other
[14:34.680 --> 14:41.440]  side into giving us what we need for a claim we haven't made yet.
[14:41.440 --> 14:49.040]  And generally the first claim I want to make against the bank is a claim for agency standing
[14:49.040 --> 14:56.240]  and capacity because one of the rules is never stipulate to anything.
[14:56.240 --> 15:01.840]  It's hard to keep from stipulating to something.
[15:01.840 --> 15:13.080]  You get a lawsuit here and the lawsuit says that Wells Fargo is the holder of this claim
[15:13.080 --> 15:22.240]  and you have defaulted on this claim and therefore Wells Fargo is suing you by and through their
[15:22.240 --> 15:29.600]  attorney or agent, so-and-so law firm.
[15:29.600 --> 15:39.720]  What do you really know about who is doing what?
[15:39.720 --> 15:47.000]  Now you know that the document says that Wells Fargo is the holder and Wells Fargo is suing
[15:47.000 --> 15:52.360]  you, but you don't really know that, you just know the document says that.
[15:52.360 --> 15:58.120]  The only thing you know is some lawyer signed this document.
[15:58.120 --> 16:06.320]  Now he claims that Wells Fargo hired him to represent this case and he's a proper agent
[16:06.320 --> 16:09.860]  for Wells Fargo, you don't know that.
[16:09.860 --> 16:15.160]  So I suggest never stipulate to anything.
[16:15.160 --> 16:22.760]  If you're the proper agent for a principal who is a bona fide holder of a claim against
[16:22.760 --> 16:28.200]  this property, I dispute your claim, prove it up.
[16:28.200 --> 16:31.800]  The way you get them to prove it up is you sue them under the Fair Debt Collections Practices
[16:31.800 --> 16:32.800]  Act.
[16:32.800 --> 16:39.080]  Now that goes to the Fed, you sue them directly in the Fed.
[16:39.080 --> 16:44.280]  While the judge is going to rule against you, almost certainly he will dismiss with prejudice,
[16:44.280 --> 16:48.200]  they do that most of the time, it's going to take him a while to get there.
[16:48.200 --> 16:50.720]  We'll talk about that when we come back on the other side.
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[16:54.200 --> 16:55.200]  Give us a call.
[16:55.200 --> 17:00.680]  As soon as I'm done here, we'll start taking calls and we'll be right back.
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[19:08.080 --> 19:32.280]  Look what we got, we asked a Christian, don't know what to hide, he don't have the answer,
[19:32.280 --> 19:42.920]  hope they're not abiding, we asked a Christian, look what we got, and they don't have the
[19:42.920 --> 19:47.920]  answer, hope they slip and slide, they might want gold, fish, shoes, posse, lord, how they
[19:47.920 --> 19:52.920]  want waiting, take it easy, they might want way too politically and them getting mad and
[19:52.920 --> 19:59.480]  angry, but them not standing up and fighting, fight for their freedom and be free, and they
[19:59.480 --> 20:10.440]  love slavery and get hand out from the government, well, again, we asked a Christian, don't know
[20:10.440 --> 20:18.800]  what to hide, they don't have the answer, hope they're not abiding, we asked a Christian.
[20:18.800 --> 20:25.600]  We are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and I was talking about
[20:25.600 --> 20:30.680]  the politics of what we're doing, and the primary politics is how much money can we
[20:30.680 --> 20:33.040]  cost the other side.
[20:33.040 --> 20:38.200]  Now, I know if there's a lawyer listening out there, he's going to say, oh, that is
[20:38.200 --> 20:45.040]  not a proper consideration, well, maybe not for a lawyer, and maybe not, it's not a
[20:45.040 --> 20:55.200]  consideration you can admit to, but we're the clients, we're not lawyers, and we understand
[20:55.200 --> 20:58.840]  the reality of the life we live in.
[20:58.840 --> 21:04.120]  Even when they're screwing you with totally corrupt courts, the courts have to at least
[21:04.120 --> 21:11.200]  give the semblance of due process, and the semblance of due process can cost the banks
[21:11.200 --> 21:13.400]  a fortune.
[21:13.400 --> 21:24.980]  Now, what we had been doing here is we filed a quiet title action, and he filed a quiet
[21:24.980 --> 21:29.240]  title action, they'll bump it out to the federal courts immediately, no matter what
[21:29.240 --> 21:30.240]  it is.
[21:30.240 --> 21:36.560]  You file a total suit that's totally in the state, they'll bump it out to the federal
[21:36.560 --> 21:39.480]  courts, and the courts will dismiss it.
[21:39.480 --> 21:44.680]  But then, when they dismiss it, you'll file a motion for reconsideration, they'll file
[21:44.680 --> 21:47.740]  an objection to the motion for reconsideration.
[21:47.740 --> 21:53.680]  The judge will deny your motion for reconsideration, you'll file a notice of appeal, the other
[21:53.680 --> 21:57.880]  side will file an objection to your, you'll file a notice of appeal, then you'll file
[21:57.880 --> 22:01.440]  an appeal, and the other side will file an objection to your appeal, then you'll file
[22:01.440 --> 22:03.480]  an answer to the objection.
[22:03.480 --> 22:06.800]  All this takes time.
[22:06.800 --> 22:15.080]  And a year and a half down the road, the appeals court will finally get to it, maybe two years,
[22:15.080 --> 22:20.320]  because all the courts are crowded, so it stays in court a long time.
[22:20.320 --> 22:28.960]  And they'll eventually toss it, then you come back and file a complaint against them
[22:28.960 --> 22:39.200]  for fraud, for the fees they charged you at closing.
[22:39.200 --> 22:46.480]  At closing, I've never heard of anyone who at closing was given documentation to show
[22:46.480 --> 22:56.120]  that the fees that they were charged on the HOD-1 settlement statement were actually valid.
[22:56.120 --> 23:02.720]  In order for them to be valid, they would be required to give you documentation to show
[23:02.720 --> 23:13.980]  that the fees they charged were not fees that were otherwise specifically exempted from
[23:13.980 --> 23:21.480]  being charged to you, that they were intended to be taken from the finance charge, which
[23:21.480 --> 23:29.500]  is the interest they charge on the note, that the fees were for services actually rendered,
[23:29.500 --> 23:34.280]  that the services were necessary, the amounts charged were reasonable, and that the lender
[23:34.280 --> 23:40.020]  did not take an undisclosed markup on the fees charged, and this all goes right down
[23:40.020 --> 23:47.480]  the Truth in Lending Act and Fair Debt Collections Practices Act.
[23:47.480 --> 23:52.360]  So we maintained that they didn't provide that documentation to take all of the amounts
[23:52.360 --> 23:57.720]  they charged you on the HOD-1 settlement statement, subtract it from the principle of your note
[23:57.720 --> 24:04.240]  on the first payment, run an amortization on it, see when it goes to zero.
[24:04.240 --> 24:09.980]  We did that with Steve Skidmore's, and his went to zero at payment 240.
[24:09.980 --> 24:13.560]  So all of those other payments were fraudulent.
[24:13.560 --> 24:19.960]  So you sue them not for the amount that you were actually defrauded of.
[24:19.960 --> 24:27.200]  In Steve's case, the note was five years old, but it was a 30-year note.
[24:27.200 --> 24:34.360]  You sue them for the amount you would have been defrauded of, had their plan ran to fruition,
[24:34.360 --> 24:36.200]  but you don't sue them for that amount.
[24:36.200 --> 24:38.660]  You sue them for triple because it's fraud.
[24:38.660 --> 24:47.160]  So you come up with this really large number that you can calculate to the penny, put them
[24:47.160 --> 24:53.720]  back in court again, walk them through the system again, but we don't want to do all
[24:53.720 --> 24:55.560]  of that now.
[24:55.560 --> 25:04.160]  The idea is look at the issues you have, lay them out to where you can show the other side,
[25:04.160 --> 25:09.520]  you guys have a problem and it's going to take you a long time to overcome it.
[25:09.520 --> 25:11.600]  File an action against them.
[25:11.600 --> 25:18.200]  The first thing you want to do is petition the court for court-ordered mediation.
[25:18.200 --> 25:25.760]  That's not hard to get because the court does not want to hear all of these issues.
[25:25.760 --> 25:31.080]  The judge sits there all day every day hearing the same things over and over and over.
[25:31.080 --> 25:32.480]  They get tired of it.
[25:32.480 --> 25:35.920]  They'd rather be out playing golf or something.
[25:35.920 --> 25:40.600]  But with all these foreclosures, the courts have gotten incredibly crowded and the judges
[25:40.600 --> 25:43.600]  are actually having to work.
[25:43.600 --> 25:46.920]  And they've gotten to where they dismiss your case as quickly as they can get away
[25:46.920 --> 25:49.200]  with because they don't want to mess with it.
[25:49.200 --> 25:53.680]  They want it to go away to clear the calendar so they don't go play golf.
[25:53.680 --> 25:55.600]  That's where they get paid.
[25:55.600 --> 26:03.240]  The other guy lets the judge win at golf so the guy can lose 500 bucks to him at golf
[26:03.240 --> 26:07.120]  so he can come back into court and screw you, Royal.
[26:07.120 --> 26:13.260]  And this comes from another lawyer who is familiar with the process.
[26:13.260 --> 26:19.840]  So anyway, the bank doesn't want to have to spend a whole lot of money adjudicating
[26:19.840 --> 26:22.680]  cases.
[26:22.680 --> 26:28.620]  And if you demonstrate to them that with you, they're going to spend a whole lot of money,
[26:28.620 --> 26:32.160]  now we need you to do a calculation.
[26:32.160 --> 26:42.000]  Pull out your note, look at what month, what year was your note generated, what month,
[26:42.000 --> 26:50.000]  what year did you stop paying on the note, and run an amortization to see how much you've
[26:50.000 --> 26:54.920]  actually paid in principle on the note.
[26:54.920 --> 26:58.400]  So calculate the remaining principle.
[26:58.400 --> 27:04.480]  That's how much skin the bank has in the transaction.
[27:04.480 --> 27:08.960]  They're going to claim attorney fees and late fees and all that.
[27:08.960 --> 27:14.180]  They can eat all that stuff because you're going to claim they charged you false fees
[27:14.180 --> 27:18.780]  and the only reason you couldn't pay the mortgage is because they added these extra
[27:18.780 --> 27:22.760]  fees on it and blah, blah, blah.
[27:22.760 --> 27:27.400]  But you need a number that you can give to the bean counters.
[27:27.400 --> 27:34.120]  Show the bean counters, the accountants when they do the books, that this is how much the
[27:34.120 --> 27:39.980]  bank actually has in the property.
[27:39.980 --> 27:45.240]  This is what we're going to do to you in terms of civil actions.
[27:45.240 --> 27:52.960]  We'll be filing two, maybe three quiet title actions, a suit for false fees, and a number
[27:52.960 --> 27:56.960]  of suits for breach of contract.
[27:56.960 --> 28:01.000]  And good chance we're going to sue the lawyer if there's any problems with the documentation.
[28:01.000 --> 28:08.760]  The thing I didn't address is the most fertile area for claims against the lender.
[28:08.760 --> 28:12.120]  The public records.
[28:12.120 --> 28:20.240]  I honestly believe that the banks got together and said, what is the easiest thing that we
[28:20.240 --> 28:28.160]  can defend or what is the thing that we can wear out our opponent with?
[28:28.160 --> 28:32.160]  Because we've really made a mess here.
[28:32.160 --> 28:37.040]  And if the courts were to rule, according to law, we would get our behinds kicked every
[28:37.040 --> 28:39.340]  way from Sunday.
[28:39.340 --> 28:47.260]  So where do we want them to go that will give us the best chance of beating them?
[28:47.260 --> 28:55.700]  This MERS nonsense about the bank sending MERS all of their documentation and MERS shredding
[28:55.700 --> 28:59.200]  them, that was horse manure.
[28:59.200 --> 29:06.560]  And it was put out by the FBI, those lion SOBs.
[29:06.560 --> 29:10.160]  MERS never did any such thing.
[29:10.160 --> 29:15.720]  If you read the Fannie Mae manual, I mean the Ginnie Mae manual, it is clear that the
[29:15.720 --> 29:21.060]  document custodian has all those records that are required to have them by Ginnie Mae.
[29:21.060 --> 29:24.040]  They didn't send them to anybody.
[29:24.040 --> 29:27.360]  And securitization.
[29:27.360 --> 29:32.440]  Without addressing whether securitization is valid or not, it's a hard fight.
[29:32.440 --> 29:36.560]  It'll take you a long time to get that fight done.
[29:36.560 --> 29:44.560]  So you're likely to run out of money and burn out before the end and the bank wins by attrition.
[29:44.560 --> 29:46.760]  Hang on, we'll pick this up on the other side.
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[33:40.640 --> 33:46.120]  When you gonna stop abuse your power.
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[34:02.640 --> 34:17.800]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio and we're talking about
[34:17.800 --> 34:26.560]  how to bring the banks to the table, how to come out, how to arrange things so that you
[34:26.560 --> 34:30.240]  can achieve an outcome you can live with.
[34:30.240 --> 34:36.020]  When you run the calculations on the false fees, that will give you a number you can
[34:36.020 --> 34:43.120]  work with and when you run the calculation on how much the bank actually has in the property,
[34:43.120 --> 34:46.320]  that gives you another number you can work with.
[34:46.320 --> 34:53.880]  So the one gives you leverage to make a claim that the banks are gonna figure you're probably
[34:53.880 --> 35:02.360]  not gonna win that because they've bought and paid for the courts but the problem is
[35:02.360 --> 35:08.440]  most of the time you'll eventually ask for a jury trial and they never know what a jury
[35:08.440 --> 35:10.840]  is gonna do.
[35:10.840 --> 35:17.960]  And if you go in with this large number from the HUD-1 settlement statement, then they're
[35:17.960 --> 35:21.880]  gonna argue against the validity of the number.
[35:21.880 --> 35:26.280]  And we tell them, you know, you didn't give us any proof of any of these so we took them
[35:26.280 --> 35:27.280]  all off.
[35:27.280 --> 35:29.880]  If you can prove one up, we'll adjust the calculation.
[35:29.880 --> 35:38.080]  You see, we don't care about that because they know and we know that in the end, there's
[35:38.080 --> 35:45.620]  only one number a jury is gonna remember and that's the number you walked in the door with.
[35:45.620 --> 35:51.460]  They can give you that amount no matter what calculations the bank does.
[35:51.460 --> 35:54.600]  They can give you less than that amount or they can give you more depending on what the
[35:54.600 --> 35:57.100]  jury thinks about it.
[35:57.100 --> 36:03.000]  If we can keep the issue from getting dismissed in the meantime and the bank always has to
[36:03.000 --> 36:08.160]  worry that that's something that's likely to happen and especially if you come to the
[36:08.160 --> 36:15.880]  table with a good large number to make a claim for and I've showed this to a number of attorneys
[36:15.880 --> 36:24.160]  and they look at that and really like the fact that we had actual numbers generated
[36:24.160 --> 36:29.000]  from the facts of the actual case.
[36:29.000 --> 36:36.680]  Lawyers tend not to like taking on vague and general issues because it's harder to get
[36:36.680 --> 36:45.720]  a judge to make a ruling that's more general, a ruling that has the potential of changing
[36:45.720 --> 36:48.880]  the world as we know it.
[36:48.880 --> 36:50.320]  Judges don't like to do that.
[36:50.320 --> 36:56.840]  They like to follow the way things are and they like simple issues that's easy to wrap
[36:56.840 --> 36:59.560]  their head around.
[36:59.560 --> 37:05.000]  So when you go to bifurcation and the MERS issue, it's a lot more difficult issue to
[37:05.000 --> 37:13.900]  get the judge to understand it and then to give him, give you a ruling even if he does
[37:13.900 --> 37:15.960]  understand it.
[37:15.960 --> 37:21.480]  It's a lot easier if you can go in there and say, when we sit down at the closing table,
[37:21.480 --> 37:26.880]  they charge me this administration fee.
[37:26.880 --> 37:34.120]  Well I don't know what that is and the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act forbids the
[37:34.120 --> 37:44.440]  lender from charging the borrower those fees that are the normal part of doing business.
[37:44.440 --> 37:49.640]  Those costs to the lender that are the normal part of doing business were intended to be
[37:49.640 --> 37:57.060]  taken out of the interest that they charge and these administration fees seem to go to
[37:57.060 --> 38:03.960]  the normal part of doing business.
[38:03.960 --> 38:08.400]  They were supposed to take that out of their interest but instead they added it to the
[38:08.400 --> 38:14.200]  principal and now they're going to charge interest on it for 30 years because every
[38:14.200 --> 38:20.120]  extra dollar they add to the top is the last dollar I pay off.
[38:20.120 --> 38:25.880]  So every dollar they add, I'll pay interest on it for 30 years and that interest just
[38:25.880 --> 38:29.720]  about triple or quadruple that amount.
[38:29.720 --> 38:36.960]  So we argue this is a lot easier for the judge to wrap his head around.
[38:36.960 --> 38:41.080]  This fee charged here, was it necessary?
[38:41.080 --> 38:42.560]  Was it actually performed?
[38:42.560 --> 38:44.560]  There's an appraisal.
[38:44.560 --> 38:46.880]  Where's the appraisal?
[38:46.880 --> 38:49.960]  Did the appraiser actually do a proper appraisal?
[38:49.960 --> 38:51.960]  Were there property inspections?
[38:51.960 --> 38:56.000]  Where is a copy of the report from the property inspection to show that they were actually
[38:56.000 --> 38:57.000]  done?
[38:57.000 --> 39:01.240]  There's all kinds of stuff you can do, all kinds of discovery on.
[39:01.240 --> 39:04.480]  You can keep these guys in court until they get old.
[39:04.480 --> 39:11.400]  So calculate a way for the bank to get out from under this problem.
[39:11.400 --> 39:16.760]  One of the things I told the bank, we have the vast majority of the people in the foreclosure
[39:16.760 --> 39:20.080]  issue just walk away and you shouldn't do that.
[39:20.080 --> 39:23.280]  There are things you can do to recover even if you can't keep the house.
[39:23.280 --> 39:27.080]  There are things you can do to come out of this better.
[39:27.080 --> 39:33.360]  The worst thing that's going to happen to you in a foreclosure is not necessarily losing
[39:33.360 --> 39:39.480]  the house but getting your credit destroyed.
[39:39.480 --> 39:46.120]  Now you're in a house you can't pay for and now you have to leave the house and go
[39:46.120 --> 39:53.800]  find an apartment to rent and with the bad credit it's extremely difficult to rent
[39:53.800 --> 39:54.800]  an apartment.
[39:54.800 --> 39:58.520]  They're going to charge you a whole lot more money for it so you'll have an apartment
[39:58.520 --> 40:01.240]  you really can't afford.
[40:01.240 --> 40:09.600]  So one of the most valuable things to save in the foreclosure mediation process is to
[40:09.600 --> 40:14.040]  get the foreclosure off your credit and all the marks off your credit.
[40:14.040 --> 40:19.200]  If there's been a foreclosure get the banks to rescind the foreclosure.
[40:19.200 --> 40:28.600]  This is especially easy if the bank has purchased the property back because everything is about
[40:28.600 --> 40:41.640]  the money and rescinding the foreclosure in lieu of a deal with you then removing the
[40:41.640 --> 40:45.480]  marks off your credit that don't cost them anything.
[40:45.480 --> 40:49.480]  So as long as it doesn't cost them anything they're pretty easy about getting that done.
[40:49.480 --> 40:54.160]  If you show them where you're going to cost them a lot of money, potentially more money
[40:54.160 --> 41:05.360]  than they can sell the property for and all they have to do is what I suggest you do is
[41:05.360 --> 41:08.040]  get them to sell you the note.
[41:08.040 --> 41:16.640]  Now a lot of people out here who are flipping properties and if you've ever tried a short
[41:16.640 --> 41:23.720]  sale 70% of all the short sales fail and that's because the bank has no incentive.
[41:23.720 --> 41:32.080]  Well look at the public record that's your place to find incentive and this false fee
[41:32.080 --> 41:35.880]  issue that's incentive.
[41:35.880 --> 41:41.640]  If you go to the bank and say I want to short sell the property and they're going to have
[41:41.640 --> 41:46.000]  blah, blah, blah, drag their feet, they want to drag their feet until they can get the
[41:46.000 --> 41:52.600]  foreclosure done especially if it's an older note and you've got equity in the property.
[41:52.600 --> 41:55.640]  They want to steal the equity.
[41:55.640 --> 42:01.800]  So you have to come back and give them a different calculation to make.
[42:01.800 --> 42:04.840]  We're going to sue you, we're going to hold you in court for a long time, we're going
[42:04.840 --> 42:11.360]  to cost you a whole lot more than you can make and we're going to offer to purchase
[42:11.360 --> 42:20.880]  the note and all you have to do is take the amount we actually still owe you on the principle
[42:20.880 --> 42:30.280]  knock 10% off of that and sell me the note and then you can find an investor who will
[42:30.280 --> 42:35.560]  purchase the note so that he can extinguish it.
[42:35.560 --> 42:45.680]  If your note is 2006 or older when you run the calculation you see you take the price
[42:45.680 --> 42:57.360]  the property sold at and if you purchase the property 02, 03 between 02 or 03 and today
[42:57.360 --> 43:03.600]  the property values have increased tremendously especially here in Texas.
[43:03.600 --> 43:08.120]  So the value of the property is increased considerable.
[43:08.120 --> 43:14.280]  So you do the calculation, you look at how much it's risen from the date you purchased
[43:14.280 --> 43:16.960]  it to today and that gives you a spread.
[43:16.960 --> 43:24.640]  Now deduct from that the amount you've paid on the principle and you get a larger spread
[43:24.640 --> 43:31.840]  and then deduct from that 10% that the bank's not going to have to pay in litigation costs
[43:31.840 --> 43:40.400]  and make the bank an offer and deal back up to what you actually owe them.
[43:40.400 --> 43:47.480]  Sell the property, flip it over, get a few thousand in hand and get the foreclosure off
[43:47.480 --> 43:48.680]  of your record.
[43:48.680 --> 44:02.360]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Wheel of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[46:28.920 --> 46:29.920]  Somebody calls the police.
[46:29.920 --> 46:55.600]  They're watching the spots fly, watching the spots fly, watching the spots fly, watching
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[47:03.040 --> 47:15.040]  The friction is an addiction.
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[47:39.060 --> 47:44.680]  setting up producers and such, so we'll have to run an archive tomorrow night, so
[47:44.680 --> 47:50.080]  we won't have a live show. If you have a question that you want to ask, call in tonight
[47:50.080 --> 48:01.500]  and get it in tonight. We apologize for that, but we run this show on a really tight shoestring.
[48:01.500 --> 48:06.600]  Sometimes we get in crunches that we just have to work our way through, and tomorrow
[48:06.600 --> 48:11.660]  is going to be one of those crunches, so I do apologize for that, but if you have a question
[48:11.660 --> 48:20.020]  or comment, give us a call tonight. We were talking about how to use the politics to make
[48:20.020 --> 48:28.100]  a deal, and if you're in a property you can't pay for, but you have been paying for
[48:28.100 --> 48:36.820]  it for quite a while. You have equity. Do not walk away from that equity. Even if you're
[48:36.820 --> 48:42.980]  done with it, you accept that you're going to lose the property, do not walk away from
[48:42.980 --> 48:51.780]  your equity. This is how you can do the equity. There's a lot of people out there wholesaling
[48:51.780 --> 48:56.860]  properties, buying properties that wholesale, and David and I, someone I'm working with
[48:56.860 --> 49:05.780]  here in the DFW area, he was just remarking today about in looking at the foreclosure
[49:05.780 --> 49:18.500]  sales that the purchases have gone from 70% to 80%, and he has other places where he can
[49:18.500 --> 49:26.080]  see properties that have sold, and the wholesalers are consistently purchasing at around 80%
[49:26.080 --> 49:35.820]  of fair market value. So get a real estate agent to look at your property and get you
[49:35.820 --> 49:42.820]  a fair market value on it. Get a real estate agent to help you do a short sale. Now, problem
[49:42.820 --> 49:49.940]  with a short sale is you're asking the bank to make a concession to you so you can sell
[49:49.940 --> 49:56.620]  the property and pay off the property at a lesser amount than the bank says you owe.
[49:56.620 --> 50:02.180]  Well the bank is going to claim that you owe the principal plus all these fines and fees
[50:02.180 --> 50:07.900]  and lawyer, attorney fees and all that. Well we don't care about all that extra stuff
[50:07.900 --> 50:16.540]  they added on. We're going to calculate what the principal is and then go down to
[50:16.540 --> 50:25.540]  the county record. That's where the action is, look in the county record. And frankly
[50:25.540 --> 50:34.100]  what you're looking for is not that difficult. The county recorder's office was put in
[50:34.100 --> 50:44.980]  place so that anyone considering purchasing property could go look in the record and determine
[50:44.980 --> 50:52.700]  if there was a preexisting claim against the property. 13.001 Texas property code says
[50:52.700 --> 51:00.020]  any claim against real property not acknowledged or proven and filed in the public record is
[51:00.020 --> 51:11.260]  void as to the holder. Well that's because in order for me to purchase property I need
[51:11.260 --> 51:16.680]  to be sure there isn't some hidden claiming on that property. And it's intended that
[51:16.680 --> 51:22.200]  an ordinary person can go down and look in the record and see if there's a valid claim
[51:22.200 --> 51:33.620]  against the property. And the primary evaluation tool you use is that don't look right. Look
[51:33.620 --> 51:40.180]  at the documents, look at the deed of trust. First thing you look at when you pull the
[51:40.180 --> 51:49.420]  deed of trust, who was the original lender. Then you go to the internet and do a search
[51:49.420 --> 51:54.900]  for this lender, see if the lender's still in business. And the vast majority of the
[51:54.900 --> 52:00.400]  lenders, unless they're major banks, are not in business anymore. And you try to find
[52:00.400 --> 52:07.320]  out what date they went out of business. Then you put down who's the trustee. That can
[52:07.320 --> 52:15.000]  become important later. ISMER is included in the note. That's likely to give you some
[52:15.000 --> 52:24.340]  contractual claims you can make later. Then you look for three particular documents. You
[52:24.340 --> 52:32.980]  look for an assignment of the security instrument, an appointment of substitute trustee, and
[52:32.980 --> 52:39.060]  a substitute trustee sale. These things are just a wealth of claims to make against the
[52:39.060 --> 52:49.620]  lender. When you look at the assignment of the security instrument, who did the assignment?
[52:49.620 --> 52:57.600]  If MERS was included on the deed of trust, most likely, but not always, MERS will do
[52:57.600 --> 53:09.340]  the assignment. When you read it, it will either say that MERS as nominee for the lender
[53:09.340 --> 53:19.300]  and his successors and assigns and doesn't name the lender. If it doesn't name the lender,
[53:19.300 --> 53:26.080]  there is a very good chance it doesn't name the lender because the lender's out of business.
[53:26.080 --> 53:32.160]  So they're just saying as a successor, they're acting as if they are a successor or a sign.
[53:32.160 --> 53:37.740]  If it names the original lender, then there's a good chance the original lender is still
[53:37.740 --> 53:46.420]  in business, but not necessarily. You need to check. And here's the reason. The original
[53:46.420 --> 53:56.200]  lender is a legal fiction, a corporation, association, LLC, some type of company. And
[53:56.200 --> 54:05.380]  under law, companies have rights. So under Texas Code of Criminal Procedure 17A, they
[54:05.380 --> 54:12.420]  define a person as a corporation and 17A goes specifically to corporations and associations.
[54:12.420 --> 54:18.040]  And they define a person as a corporation or association. Well, if the company's out
[54:18.040 --> 54:27.600]  of business, then that person died. And then we have MERS comes along and they say, well,
[54:27.600 --> 54:35.100]  we were the agent for that guy before he died. And now we're going to transfer the security
[54:35.100 --> 54:43.120]  instrument to someone else. Now, hold on here. MERS does not hold that security instrument.
[54:43.120 --> 54:52.840]  They're merely an agent for the holder. And at closing, you granted to the lender who
[54:52.840 --> 55:01.680]  was the original bona fide holder, you granted two privileges, a privilege to make a claim
[55:01.680 --> 55:11.180]  against the property. And that's if you were in a mortgage state, in a judicial state
[55:11.180 --> 55:16.300]  where they have to go to court to foreclose like Illinois, then you only grant them a
[55:16.300 --> 55:20.720]  claim against the property. That way they can come in and sue the property essentially
[55:20.720 --> 55:27.420]  in rem instead of suing you. They name you, but they're really suing the property because
[55:27.420 --> 55:33.200]  you gave them a claim against the property. If you're in a nonjudicial state, not only
[55:33.200 --> 55:41.320]  did you grant them a claim against the property, you also granted them a confessed judgment
[55:41.320 --> 55:46.160]  against the property. So now they don't have to go to court, beat you in court and
[55:46.160 --> 55:53.920]  get a judgment against the property. Excuse me. You already confessed that.
[55:53.920 --> 56:03.480]  So those are privileges you granted to the lender based on certain specific conditions
[56:03.480 --> 56:09.980]  contained in the covenants within the security instrument. And the first one we want to look
[56:09.980 --> 56:20.300]  at is covenant 16, where both parties agreed to abide by all law. But I digress. MERS claims
[56:20.300 --> 56:27.360]  to be an agent for this bona fide lender. And the lender held these claims. Then the
[56:27.360 --> 56:36.160]  lender died. If the lender did not transfer the claim to someone else and died, did he
[56:36.160 --> 56:43.660]  abandon those claims? MERS can't come along after the fact and say, oh, well, the dead
[56:43.660 --> 56:56.240]  lender ordered me to transfer this property. Well, how do you do that, Bubba?
[56:56.240 --> 57:05.800]  And so if the MERS has transferred the security instrument after the lender, the original
[57:05.800 --> 57:14.460]  holder's out of business, then that document is fraudulent on its face. And that goes to
[57:14.460 --> 57:25.300]  this don't look right. How does MERS make this transfer without the lender being the
[57:25.300 --> 57:32.980]  principal ordering him to do that? Okay, I think I beat that to death. But when you see
[57:32.980 --> 57:38.020]  that, that's a great claim you can make against the lender. And with the ruling against
[57:38.020 --> 57:45.120]  Mackie that a lawyer can be sued for filing fraudulent documents, you go look in the record
[57:45.120 --> 57:53.440]  and see whose name is on that document. You sue that person personally for filing a fraudulent
[57:53.440 --> 58:00.160]  document. If a lawyer subsequently comes along and tries to do a foreclosure or a trustee
[58:00.160 --> 58:07.780]  tries to do a foreclosure based on that document, that's fraud and you can sue them personally
[58:07.780 --> 58:14.060]  for it. Trustee can't be sued so long as he acts in good faith. But the public record
[58:14.060 --> 58:20.260]  is public and he has imputed knowledge, if not actual knowledge of what's in there. And
[58:20.260 --> 58:25.180]  if the document that's in there is fraud on his face, you can sue him personally. Hang
[58:25.180 --> 58:30.460]  on. We'll go into the top of the hour. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Roo La Radio. I'll
[58:30.460 --> 58:37.860]  call in number 512-646-1984. We'll come back on the other side. Bob, I see you there. I
[58:37.860 --> 58:44.260]  have a little more to finish up. I'll address the trustees, the appointment substitute trustee
[58:44.260 --> 58:50.340]  and a trustee deed, and then I'll take your call. We'll be right back.
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[01:03:56.820 --> 01:04:23.820]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rude Law Radio, and just a couple more things.
[01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:31.580]  Read your deed of trust carefully. Primarily in there you have, it's generally Covenant
[01:04:31.580 --> 01:04:40.180]  16. Sometimes it may be 15 or 17, depending on what deed of trust you have. But that's
[01:04:40.180 --> 01:04:48.100]  a covenant where both parties agreed to abide by all law. We have a lot of people going
[01:04:48.100 --> 01:04:54.220]  into court, making claims under Fair Debt Collections Practices Act, the Truth in Ending
[01:04:54.220 --> 01:05:01.700]  Act, and the Real Estate Sentiment Procedures Act. Well, those look like remedies. And I
[01:05:01.700 --> 01:05:07.660]  believe the banks conned the legislature into creating those so they could use those to
[01:05:07.660 --> 01:05:16.460]  screw us around with. They appear to provide protection, but the legislature set the statute
[01:05:16.460 --> 01:05:22.140]  of limitations so short of them as to make them unusable.
[01:05:22.140 --> 01:05:34.980]  However, Covenant 16, even if the time limit for exercising the remedy as created by the
[01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:42.100]  legislature when they created those consumer protection laws, even though that may have
[01:05:42.100 --> 01:05:54.500]  run, Covenant 16 still applies. The lender agreed to abide by all relevant law. And if
[01:05:54.500 --> 01:06:02.500]  they break one of the relevant laws, even though you may not have a claim under Hope
[01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:09.600]  at Helarespa, because the time limit's already run, it's only one to three years, you have
[01:06:09.600 --> 01:06:18.340]  a claim under breach of contract. You granted those privileges to the lender on the condition
[01:06:18.340 --> 01:06:25.540]  that he abide by all of the covenants. The lender will attempt to foreclose accusing
[01:06:25.540 --> 01:06:35.180]  you of breaching one of the covenants, the agreement to make the monthly payments. Well,
[01:06:35.180 --> 01:06:44.100]  you maintain that the lender breached a covenant prior to your breach. Therefore, they renunciated
[01:06:44.100 --> 01:06:54.260]  the contract and cannot come in now when they're in violation of the covenants and exercise
[01:06:54.260 --> 01:07:01.740]  the privilege granted based on compliance with these covenants. And what you're going
[01:07:01.740 --> 01:07:08.700]  to run into are the bought and paid for judges. They're going to want to say, oh, wow, that
[01:07:08.700 --> 01:07:16.700]  don't really matter. Well, whether it matters or not, the judge has no power to cancel or
[01:07:16.700 --> 01:07:22.940]  negate a covenant of the contract. That's interfering with private contract and he has
[01:07:22.940 --> 01:07:30.820]  no power to do that. He has a duty to rule on the contract the way it is. And this is
[01:07:30.820 --> 01:07:37.340]  the kind of thing that's easier for the judge. You go in based on the facts of this
[01:07:37.340 --> 01:07:48.940]  particular case, this particular document, you can show precisely where the law was violated,
[01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:56.500]  how the violation of the law violates a covenant real easy for the judge to wrap his head around.
[01:07:56.500 --> 01:08:03.180]  So, read the covenants very carefully and then look at what they've done. After you
[01:08:03.180 --> 01:08:11.500]  looked at the deed of trust, then go look at any assignment. If you can't tell from
[01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:25.420]  the assignment how the entity doing the assigning got the authority to do it, then it's insufficient.
[01:08:25.420 --> 01:08:30.780]  If you have a Washington Mutual loan, Washington Mutual was put out of business by the federal
[01:08:30.780 --> 01:08:38.840]  government. They did not file any transfers of the security instrument. Okay. Chase supposedly
[01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:48.780]  took over all of the assets of Washington Mutual. First question is, was your note an
[01:08:48.780 --> 01:08:57.180]  asset of Washington Mutual at the time they went out of business? If Washington Mutual
[01:08:57.180 --> 01:09:09.580]  had sold the income stream from the security instrument, it was no longer an asset. And
[01:09:09.580 --> 01:09:17.840]  even if it was, Washington Mutual would have had to transfer the security instrument to
[01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:21.540]  Chase Bank and they did not do that.
[01:09:21.540 --> 01:09:32.840]  Then, okay, next thing to look at is the assignment of substitute trustee. Who does the assignment?
[01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.860]  Is it the original lender if the original lender is still in business? If it's not
[01:09:37.860 --> 01:09:44.900]  the original lender, how did the entity who's doing the assignment get authority to make
[01:09:44.900 --> 01:09:52.680]  the assignment? Is any claim affecting real property not properly acknowledged or proven?
[01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:58.520]  Proven means two witnesses. Acknowledged means notary. And filed in the public record is
[01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.700]  voidage to the holder. So if you don't see something filed in the record showing this
[01:10:02.700 --> 01:10:09.580]  entity had the authority to do that, then the assignment is fraudulent.
[01:10:09.580 --> 01:10:16.820]  And then there's one more. And you would think this would not be something that would
[01:10:16.820 --> 01:10:24.860]  come up. Look at the substitute trustee's deed if there has been a foreclosure. Who
[01:10:24.860 --> 01:10:35.840]  is the substitute trustee? And is there a document in the record appointing the trustee
[01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:43.820]  as substitute trustee? You will be amazed at how many foreclosures are done by trustees
[01:10:43.820 --> 01:10:52.260]  who were never appointed by the record. Now, there may be an appointment out there. But
[01:10:52.260 --> 01:11:01.680]  unless that appointment has been filed in the public record, it is void. You won't
[01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:06.820]  believe how many of those are. And if they foreclosed and forced someone out of the property
[01:11:06.820 --> 01:11:12.940]  and they don't have all their ducks in a row, now you have a really nice claim against
[01:11:12.940 --> 01:11:19.680]  them. But trying to adjudicate these claims is difficult because they bought and paid
[01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:28.120]  for the judges. So look at the claims you have. Look at the potential, especially if
[01:11:28.120 --> 01:11:41.380]  you have a document that you can show is fraudulent. Fraudulent under Texas Government Code 51901
[01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:48.860]  C. And I can't quote it exactly, but what it essentially says is that any document filed
[01:11:48.860 --> 01:11:58.100]  in the record for which there is no documentation establishing authority for the filing is presumed
[01:11:58.100 --> 01:12:07.940]  to be fraudulent. And with the ruling against Mackey, you can now sue the lawyer who took
[01:12:07.940 --> 01:12:16.620]  the action, either the lawyer or the trustee who took the action based on the alleged validity
[01:12:16.620 --> 01:12:22.140]  of the fraudulent document. And you bring this to their attention. This is what I'm
[01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:28.360]  asking you to do to you guys. But instead of that, let's not have this big fight.
[01:12:28.360 --> 01:12:36.500]  Now you have leverage to give the bank reason to approve a short sale. You can short sale
[01:12:36.500 --> 01:12:46.020]  that property, clear the marks off your credit and get enough, maybe enough to get reestablished
[01:12:46.020 --> 01:12:51.060]  and get another place. Okay, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. We're going to
[01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:57.620]  go to Bob in Texas. Hello, Bob. What do you have for us today?
[01:12:57.620 --> 01:13:04.980]  Hello, Mr. Kelton. Close, but not exactly on topic. Still pertaining to government documents,
[01:13:04.980 --> 01:13:13.540]  though. What I was curious about is what can I find under the government code statute requiring
[01:13:13.540 --> 01:13:19.000]  public officials to release court documents. And this is in particular reference to criminal
[01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:25.220]  charges and against me. They tried to tell me today at the court, at the clerk window,
[01:13:25.220 --> 01:13:33.420]  that I needed to fill out a motion for discovery. And I just could not believe that I had to
[01:13:33.420 --> 01:13:40.780]  follow and get the approval of the opposing attorney what I was allowed to see in my record.
[01:13:40.780 --> 01:13:56.820]  Absolutely not. Uh, 1.29 Texas code of criminal procedure. Never make a claim under constitution.
[01:13:56.820 --> 01:14:02.300]  Constitution doesn't apply to you. Constitution applies to that public official.
[01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:06.620]  So I wasn't, I wasn't referring to my constitutional right.
[01:14:06.620 --> 01:14:12.900]  Okay, hold on. I'm going, I'm just, this is kind of general. It wasn't you in particular.
[01:14:12.900 --> 01:14:20.100]  You do have a constitutional right to a fair trial, a fair and public trial, article one
[01:14:20.100 --> 01:14:28.260]  paragraph 10. But that is not the constitution. When the court says it doesn't apply, the
[01:14:28.260 --> 01:14:37.200]  constitution doesn't grant you any rights. It merely restricts public officials from
[01:14:37.200 --> 01:14:48.220]  infringing on the rights that you already have. What you claim here is article 1.29. All courts
[01:14:48.220 --> 01:14:54.660]  shall be public. These are court records. It's been well adjudicated. They are public.
[01:14:54.660 --> 01:15:04.980]  So the way to handle that, it's really easy. Dial 911. 911 is recorded and they don't trash
[01:15:04.980 --> 01:15:13.740]  those things. At least, at least not for a long time. You dial 911 for the purpose of
[01:15:13.740 --> 01:15:25.760]  memorializing the facts of the issue at hand. I was in Amarillo, Texas and I asked to see
[01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:32.620]  some documents and she told me I could, they're on the computer, you can go look at them on
[01:15:32.620 --> 01:15:38.580]  the computer. No ma'am, I need to see the actual file because I expect certain documents
[01:15:38.580 --> 01:15:44.500]  to be missing from that file. And if I look at it on the computer, files have a way of
[01:15:44.500 --> 01:15:52.240]  magically appearing after the fact. So I need to verify that on this day, at this time,
[01:15:52.240 --> 01:15:57.380]  the document I'm looking for is not in the file. She said, I don't have the personnel
[01:15:57.380 --> 01:16:02.220]  and I don't have the time, you don't have to look in the record, look in the computer.
[01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:09.780]  I said, wait right there. Don't go anywhere. Somebody's going to want to talk to you.
[01:16:09.780 --> 01:16:15.620]  I stepped over and opened the door and pointed at this sergeant on the bailiffs who was standing
[01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:23.420]  out there, you come here. They hate to be summoned. They came over. I said, no, what's
[01:16:23.420 --> 01:16:28.100]  this? I said, Ms. Clerk, I need to see those documents I requested. I told you, I don't
[01:16:28.100 --> 01:16:32.820]  have the time, you'll have to look in the computer. Turned to him, I said, did you hear
[01:16:32.820 --> 01:16:38.940]  that? He said, yes I did. Arrest that woman. Why can't arrest her? He said, sure, just
[01:16:38.940 --> 01:16:42.900]  go to throw the cuffs on her and drag her off to jail. Heck, you don't have far ago,
[01:16:42.900 --> 01:16:48.020]  it's just a couple of blocks over. Hang on, we'll pick this up on the other side. Randy
[01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:55.140]  Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. I call in number 512-646-1984. We'll be right
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[01:18:59.620 --> 01:19:11.980]  This is the Logos Radio Network.
[01:19:11.980 --> 01:19:38.500]  Don't bore me, ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again. I was blindsided but
[01:19:38.500 --> 01:19:46.860]  now I can see your plan. You put the fear in my pockets, took the money from my act,
[01:19:46.860 --> 01:20:14.420]  ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again. Ain't gonna drop me with that same
[01:20:14.420 --> 01:20:20.100]  old sucka punch. I get it now, but then I must have it now.
[01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:25.140]  Okay, we are back. Brandi Kelton, Brenda Stevens with our radio, and we're talking to Bob in
[01:20:25.140 --> 01:20:33.780]  Texas. You know, I've been talking about politics. This is about politics. And the politics of
[01:20:33.780 --> 01:20:43.940]  the situation is such that they are the servants, you are the master. And you know, they can
[01:20:43.940 --> 01:20:51.020]  claim whatever they want to claim. You don't care. You came and requested to see the records.
[01:20:51.020 --> 01:20:56.940]  She's required to make the public record available for public inspection. She failed to do so.
[01:20:56.940 --> 01:20:59.940]  What statute is that she violated?
[01:20:59.940 --> 01:21:04.020]  Well, that's what I was wondering.
[01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:12.940]  Okay, you should have this one memorized. 39.03 Penal Code. If a public official acting
[01:21:12.940 --> 01:21:18.720]  under the color, meaning pretense, of an official capacity fails to perform a duty she's required
[01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:25.140]  to perform or exerts or purports to exert an authority he does not expressly have, and
[01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:30.940]  in the process denies a citizen in the full and free access to or enjoyment of a right.
[01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:37.240]  That's a Class A misdemeanor in the state of Texas up to a year in prison, $10,000 fine.
[01:21:37.240 --> 01:21:44.340]  That's a serious crime. And you, sir, have a duty to report crime.
[01:21:44.340 --> 01:21:51.420]  That's exactly right. And that's why I wanted to get this found out tonight so I can type
[01:21:51.420 --> 01:22:03.420]  up a brief bar complaint as being referred to the city attorneys for permission to get
[01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:06.460]  public records and no approval.
[01:22:06.460 --> 01:22:16.660]  That is clever. The bar complaint against the attorneys for advising the clerk to violate
[01:22:16.660 --> 01:22:20.060]  1.29 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:22:20.060 --> 01:22:29.540]  Exactly. And all I want from the attorneys tomorrow is their name and bar number.
[01:22:29.540 --> 01:22:37.060]  That'd be fun. And then make sure you prepare a complaint against the clerk and have it
[01:22:37.060 --> 01:22:41.820]  verified before a notary and give it to the mayor.
[01:22:41.820 --> 01:22:47.340]  A complaint to the of the code. Okay.
[01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:52.940]  Under 39.03 Penal Code. The mayor just happens to be a magistrate.
[01:22:52.940 --> 01:22:53.940]  Okay.
[01:22:53.940 --> 01:23:01.180]  And when the mayor refuses to act on it, then you take the municipal judge a criminal complaint
[01:23:01.180 --> 01:23:07.380]  against the mayor. Too little politics here.
[01:23:07.380 --> 01:23:13.380]  That's exactly what I'm doing tomorrow. I got to get typing tonight.
[01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:27.180]  With the original complaint, go to jurisimprudence.com. That's J-U-R-I-S imprudence. I-M-P-R-U-D-E-N-C-E.com.
[01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:33.380]  And click on the Cherokee County documents and you'll find a bunch of criminal complaints
[01:23:33.380 --> 01:23:38.140]  in there. And that'll give you an idea how to put them together.
[01:23:38.140 --> 01:23:44.780]  Okay. Well, I'm headed to the website as soon as I get to hear what all you've said for
[01:23:44.780 --> 01:23:45.780]  tonight.
[01:23:45.780 --> 01:23:54.580]  Okay. Well, okay. Let me finish up about Randall County. That was so much fun. But yeah, that's
[01:23:54.580 --> 01:24:00.980]  the warning I have to give you. When you start doing this, it can be way too much fun. But
[01:24:00.980 --> 01:24:01.980]  another warning.
[01:24:01.980 --> 01:24:02.980]  We're clean.
[01:24:02.980 --> 01:24:11.820]  Okay. Another warning is remember you are the master, they are the servants. Never argue
[01:24:11.820 --> 01:24:24.740]  with your servants. Do not let your servants engage you in an argument. You tell your servants
[01:24:24.740 --> 01:24:32.340]  what they are to do and never ever ask a public official to do anything you actually want
[01:24:32.340 --> 01:24:40.300]  them to do. The reason is you never ask a public official to do anything the law does
[01:24:40.300 --> 01:24:49.300]  not require them to do. So that when they don't do it, you get to pull out 39.03. Think
[01:24:49.300 --> 01:24:56.940]  of 39.03 as your tar baby. You got this little tar baby. And you go up to the clerk and say,
[01:24:56.940 --> 01:25:04.340]  I got this tar baby. You wanna touch it? Here, go ahead. Touch it for me. So when you don't
[01:25:04.340 --> 01:25:12.780]  do what you ask her to do, don't get upset. And whatever you do, don't give fair warning.
[01:25:12.780 --> 01:25:21.220]  Don't give legal advice. When the clerk refused, I called the bailiff, asked the bailiff to
[01:25:21.220 --> 01:25:27.260]  arrest him. He went and got his lieutenant and lieutenant said he wasn't gonna arrest
[01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:31.420]  anybody. I said, well, I need to take my criminal complaint. I won't be taking any complaints
[01:25:31.420 --> 01:25:35.540]  here either. I need your name and I need number. I asked the sergeant, what's the number
[01:25:35.540 --> 01:25:41.060]  for the sheriff's department? And this lieutenant said, well, I can do you one better. And he
[01:25:41.060 --> 01:25:47.940]  gave me his card and I took it. Lieutenant Woods, oh, good. Thank you. I called the sheriff's
[01:25:47.940 --> 01:25:56.060]  department and asked him to send out an officer to arrest the district clerk and the lieutenant.
[01:25:56.060 --> 01:26:03.540]  And then I went over and sat down. And it's important you understand this part. Don't
[01:26:03.540 --> 01:26:08.080]  let them engage you. I went and sat down while I'm waiting for him to dispatch somebody.
[01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:12.540]  And this young bailiff comes over and said, Mr. Cowden, you're creating a disturbance.
[01:26:12.540 --> 01:26:17.020]  You're gonna have to leave the building. I looked up at him. I was in the process of
[01:26:17.020 --> 01:26:23.060]  writing out criminal complaints. Beat it. Mr. Cowden, you're gonna have to leave the
[01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:31.100]  building. Get lost. And this sergeant came over and said, leave him alone. Leave him
[01:26:31.100 --> 01:26:34.740]  alone. He's just trying to get you to do something so he can file complaints against
[01:26:34.740 --> 01:26:40.500]  you. I looked at the sergeant and said, I looked at the young guy and pointed at the
[01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:49.220]  sergeant and said, he's a really smart guy. Listen to him. And he went away. And then
[01:26:49.220 --> 01:26:58.180]  in a few minutes, the lieutenant and the clerk came out. And this is about the tar baby.
[01:26:58.180 --> 01:27:02.860]  You want them to touch the tar baby. Once they've touched it, it's done. So the
[01:27:02.860 --> 01:27:09.140]  lieutenant comes out and the clerks comes out and she's got a handful of documents,
[01:27:09.140 --> 01:27:14.580]  vanilla folders. The lieutenant starts to say something and I held up my hand. No, no,
[01:27:14.580 --> 01:27:21.100]  no, no. I can't be talking to you. I'll be filing criminal charges against you. I
[01:27:21.100 --> 01:27:29.560]  have someone coming. When they get here, I'll give them a full explanation. But since I'll
[01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:35.380]  be filing against you, it would be inappropriate for us to talk. And the sergeant said, well,
[01:27:35.380 --> 01:27:42.220]  she has those records you asked for. Sorry, Bubba. That bell's already been rung.
[01:27:42.220 --> 01:27:49.060]  The damage has been done. Exactly. Keep that in mind. You're going in there with your
[01:27:49.060 --> 01:27:54.600]  tar baby. You're not asking them to do anything. You're invoking their duty and you hope
[01:27:54.600 --> 01:28:03.440]  they don't do it. So go ahead. Touch it. Touch it. And if you keep that in your heart,
[01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:10.020]  when they don't do what you want them to do, instead of doing what they're accustomed
[01:28:10.020 --> 01:28:17.380]  to everybody doing, getting upset, creating a confrontation, that's what they're good
[01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:18.380]  at.
[01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:28.540]  You just say, oh, okay. I was in Arlington and she refused to give me the documents.
[01:28:28.540 --> 01:28:37.820]  I said, oh, okay. And I turned my back on her, took out my cell phone, dialed 911 while
[01:28:37.820 --> 01:28:45.980]  she's standing there. Oh, that was so much fun. And when you turn from them and don't
[01:28:45.980 --> 01:28:51.300]  speak to them anymore, now they're wondering what's going on, because this is not what
[01:28:51.300 --> 01:28:56.820]  they're used to. In psychology, that's called pattern interruption. And they're
[01:28:56.820 --> 01:29:05.180]  standing there thinking something's not right here. When that sergeant told the younger
[01:29:05.180 --> 01:29:08.640]  guy, don't mess with him. He's just trying to get you to do something so he can file
[01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:18.260]  against you. He got it. He said, this jerk is setting us up. So back up. This ain't
[01:29:18.260 --> 01:29:26.660]  working like we want it to. But whatever you do, do not get in an altercation with them.
[01:29:26.660 --> 01:29:34.060]  If you don't get an altercation, if you don't argue with them, that terrifies them.
[01:29:34.060 --> 01:29:39.740]  They're wondering what you got up their sleeve that they don't know about. Okay, hang on.
[01:29:39.740 --> 01:29:44.400]  We'll pick this up on the other side. I could have way too much fun with this, but I take
[01:29:44.400 --> 01:29:46.220]  it this is a municipal court?
[01:29:46.220 --> 01:29:49.460]  Yes, class B is the name of it.
[01:29:49.460 --> 01:29:53.220]  Okay, good, good. Okay, hang on. We'll pick this up on the other side. Randy Kelton, Deborah
[01:29:53.220 --> 01:29:59.700]  Stevens, Rule of Law Radio. Our call in number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:33:15.100 --> 01:33:44.980]  Thank you so much for watching and I'll see you in the next video.
[01:33:45.100 --> 01:33:55.340]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, RooVla Radio and we're talking to
[01:33:55.340 --> 01:34:04.360]  Bob in Texas. And of all the things that if I could give you something, that understanding
[01:34:04.360 --> 01:34:20.180]  would be the most valuable. Not letting them manipulate you, but you manipulate them instead.
[01:34:20.180 --> 01:34:32.100]  But the real danger there is you will have too much fun with it. Okay, you had a ticket.
[01:34:32.100 --> 01:34:36.540]  Have you talked to Eddie Craig on the Monday Night Show?
[01:34:36.540 --> 01:34:42.900]  I've listened to all three of y'all's programs religiously for, well, three, four years now.
[01:34:42.900 --> 01:34:52.860]  Oh, good, good, good. Then have you filed a claim, filed documentation in the record?
[01:34:52.860 --> 01:35:00.340]  Just challenging subject matter jurisdiction. Oh, good, good, good, good. I was in Garland,
[01:35:00.340 --> 01:35:08.820]  Texas, Judge Cooper and the hearing just finished and I said, Your Honor, are you really going
[01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:15.220]  to deny that challenge to subject matter jurisdiction without even reading it? Mr. Kelton, I've
[01:35:15.220 --> 01:35:21.900]  made my decision. Oh, yes, you have. Thank you, Your Honor. And I turned from him, pointed
[01:35:21.900 --> 01:35:30.060]  at the bailiff, you come with me. I need you outside. I went outside, asked the bailiff
[01:35:30.060 --> 01:35:38.700]  to arrest the judge. That was so much fun.
[01:35:38.700 --> 01:35:44.260]  When you mentioned documents not in the record, as far as I know, there's only four documents
[01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:50.220]  in the record. One would be the citation of all things for an expired sticker. It's $100
[01:35:50.220 --> 01:36:00.260]  a month. So what cheaper wonderland ride to get on. Exactly. So I challenged the subject
[01:36:00.260 --> 01:36:06.460]  matter jurisdiction at my initial appearance, declined to plea. Of course, they had to plea
[01:36:06.460 --> 01:36:18.260]  for me. I commanded the clerk to be sure and get my objection on record since my. Wait,
[01:36:18.260 --> 01:36:26.060]  is this a court of record? Yes, it was an initial appearance with an attending. What
[01:36:26.060 --> 01:36:33.460]  do you call them when they? No, wait a minute, you need to check. A lot of these courts have
[01:36:33.460 --> 01:36:44.220]  made themselves courts of record. Is this one of them? Yes. Oh, good. There was a stenogal
[01:36:44.220 --> 01:36:49.060]  for president. So I looked her in the eye and I said, objection and get that on the
[01:36:49.060 --> 01:36:57.660]  record. And so the judge went ahead and signed the, uh, uh, my false plea of not guilty to
[01:36:57.660 --> 01:37:03.340]  go ahead and carry it forward. And so in the mail, oh, I don't know, two weeks, a week
[01:37:03.340 --> 01:37:11.300]  later I get a direction to appear and it's the 14th of this month. And, uh, so I went
[01:37:11.300 --> 01:37:19.900]  down to the court today to get every document that had been filed to prep for my, uh, pretrial.
[01:37:19.900 --> 01:37:26.060]  And like I said, there should be only three, possibly four documents in it, the ticket,
[01:37:26.060 --> 01:37:33.940]  my challenge, and then the judge assigning the court to direct me to appear. But there
[01:37:33.940 --> 01:37:39.340]  was another document come up on screen. I couldn't tell what it was. So I thought, well,
[01:37:39.340 --> 01:37:45.460]  maybe that's the judge's order, no entering my plea and directing. I said, okay, I need
[01:37:45.460 --> 01:37:50.620]  a copy of that document. He said, no, you can't have it. And I said, it goes, you can't
[01:37:50.620 --> 01:37:58.420]  have it. You have to fill out this form motion for discovery to see if the prosecuting attorney
[01:37:58.420 --> 01:38:05.540]  will let you have it. Oh, I said, oh no, you know, I'm, uh, these are public records and
[01:38:05.540 --> 01:38:11.260]  it's, it's, it's me that's being accused. So I have every right to see what's, what's
[01:38:11.260 --> 01:38:17.500]  in the record. Oh no, no, you have to, you have to do this. Well, of course, taking everybody's
[01:38:17.500 --> 01:38:24.860]  advice, I did have my pen cam in my pocket. So what was, what was said to who I had to
[01:38:24.860 --> 01:38:30.980]  go see? So I immediately went over to the prosecutor's office and she said, oh yeah,
[01:38:30.980 --> 01:38:36.900]  I see you've requested, I feel out of motion here for discovery. I said, I'm not discovering
[01:38:36.900 --> 01:38:42.460]  anything. I said, I want to see what's in fact in the record right now. Oh, well, every
[01:38:42.460 --> 01:38:48.300]  day I said, just, just what's been signed in the records, all I'm demanding to see.
[01:38:48.300 --> 01:38:53.020]  Well, we'll have to take this into consideration and we'll get back to you. It could take 10
[01:38:53.020 --> 01:39:02.300]  days. I said, oh yeah. I said, well, my court is in, is before tape. So that's why I'm going
[01:39:02.300 --> 01:39:10.180]  back down there tomorrow to just to get some names and bar cards. And then this weekend
[01:39:10.180 --> 01:39:20.460]  I can prep up my bar complaint and possibly criminal complaint and see if one of the city
[01:39:20.460 --> 01:39:25.340]  magistrates wants to take them.
[01:39:25.340 --> 01:39:32.660]  That'll be good. But keep in mind, it's great if you're recording this because you will
[01:39:32.660 --> 01:39:42.820]  always be aware that this is being recorded. Before you say or do anything, always think
[01:39:42.820 --> 01:39:54.700]  how would this play before a grand jury of my peers? And by that calculation, the less
[01:39:54.700 --> 01:40:02.820]  you say, the better. Ask for what you want, direct them in what they're to do. And when
[01:40:02.820 --> 01:40:12.060]  they don't do it, go find someone else and invoke their duty to generally to arrest whoever
[01:40:12.060 --> 01:40:13.780]  doesn't do what they're supposed to.
[01:40:13.780 --> 01:40:20.260]  Well, I did let them admit, I said, are these public records? And they said, yes. And I
[01:40:20.260 --> 01:40:23.700]  said, you're denying me access to public records.
[01:40:23.700 --> 01:40:27.300]  Okay, next time don't do that.
[01:40:27.300 --> 01:40:29.140]  Okay. Okay.
[01:40:29.140 --> 01:40:35.820]  Yeah. Just don't even talk to them. You're the master. You don't have to negotiate with
[01:40:35.820 --> 01:40:41.500]  these chumps. You're down there getting them to not do what they're supposed to. Do you
[01:40:41.500 --> 01:40:46.580]  know someone else you could get to go down and request to see the record?
[01:40:46.580 --> 01:40:48.780]  Yeah, my sister.
[01:40:48.780 --> 01:40:51.300]  Get her to do it.
[01:40:51.300 --> 01:40:57.540]  I'm sorry to say for her, she looks a lot like me, but hey.
[01:40:57.540 --> 01:41:04.660]  That's okay. Go to the juris imprudence side. And when you open it up, it's got a bunch
[01:41:04.660 --> 01:41:14.100]  of frogs on there. Top frog on the left goes to documents and research. There will be a
[01:41:14.100 --> 01:41:21.220]  folder for blanks. Click on that one and you'll find one for info. Pull down one of my information
[01:41:21.220 --> 01:41:28.380]  requests and take it down there. And what they generally do is say, now you have to
[01:41:28.380 --> 01:41:35.900]  fill out ours. And I tell them, nah, I like mine better. Mine's a lot more obnoxious.
[01:41:35.900 --> 01:41:41.900]  Well, you'll have to fill out ours. Well, I'm going to give you this one. You can take
[01:41:41.900 --> 01:41:49.340]  it or not take it. I really don't care what you do. They tend to always take it.
[01:41:49.340 --> 01:41:58.020]  But this one is structured based on a bunch of the crapola that they tend to pull. And
[01:41:58.020 --> 01:42:03.180]  it's all pretty well covered in there. And it starts out with, you are hereby directed
[01:42:03.180 --> 01:42:11.700]  to. And I really liked that part. But look at that one. It's a little more, it's comprehensive
[01:42:11.700 --> 01:42:19.340]  and designed for your benefit, not for theirs. So pull down one of those. You'll have fun
[01:42:19.340 --> 01:42:25.300]  with it. Always when you give them your hand, you don't tell them what it is. You just say
[01:42:25.300 --> 01:42:35.380]  here, I need you to initial that you received this and make me a copy of the first page.
[01:42:35.380 --> 01:42:38.780]  And then they'll look at it and see what it is. And then they'll start this. You have
[01:42:38.780 --> 01:42:46.580]  to fill out ours. No, you have that one. Act on that one or don't. I really don't care
[01:42:46.580 --> 01:42:51.940]  what you do. And then when they, you know, if they refuse to do anything and call the
[01:42:51.940 --> 01:42:57.300]  bailiff over, I need you to arrest this woman. And I'm not going to arrest her. That's okay.
[01:42:57.300 --> 01:43:03.420]  I do need you to take a complaint to memorialize the fact that she's refused to accept an
[01:43:03.420 --> 01:43:08.580]  information request. And that always makes them, you know, that's when they start getting
[01:43:08.580 --> 01:43:15.580]  worried that you do that instead of negotiating with them.
[01:43:15.580 --> 01:43:24.060]  When you don't negotiate with them, you know, they expect you to talk back to them and ask
[01:43:24.060 --> 01:43:30.380]  them questions and try to negotiate to get them to do what you want them to do. But when
[01:43:30.380 --> 01:43:38.740]  it's clear you don't care what they do, dramatically changes their behavior. You should have seen
[01:43:38.740 --> 01:43:43.540]  Justice of the Peace Judge Wright when she's three feet in front of me when I asked the
[01:43:43.540 --> 01:43:50.740]  bailiff to arrest that woman. Oh, that was fun. Hang on, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
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[01:46:25.380 --> 01:46:54.460]  Okay, we
[01:46:54.460 --> 01:47:02.420]  are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, talking to Bob in Texas. Okay,
[01:47:02.420 --> 01:47:11.940]  anyway, I'm struggling to get this point across. It took me years to really develop
[01:47:11.940 --> 01:47:23.580]  how to do this, but it has turned out to be incredibly powerful. You scare the bejesus
[01:47:23.580 --> 01:47:31.380]  out of them, and this is about the politics. This is how you create the politics. I just
[01:47:31.380 --> 01:47:43.100]  got to go to my chief of police, and this worked because I just followed the steps.
[01:47:43.100 --> 01:47:49.460]  I went to the police department, and my niece is having a family issue, and the family issue
[01:47:49.460 --> 01:47:56.260]  spilled over to my house, and I had to throw a bunch of them off the property, and one
[01:47:56.260 --> 01:48:01.400]  of them came back on the property, and I had to throw him off a second time. So the police
[01:48:01.400 --> 01:48:08.420]  by that time showed up, and I charged the guy with criminal trespass because I threw
[01:48:08.420 --> 01:48:13.160]  him off once, and he returned, and I had to throw him off again. That's the definition
[01:48:13.160 --> 01:48:19.700]  of criminal trespass, and he didn't give it to the magistrate, and I asked him why
[01:48:19.700 --> 01:48:25.620]  not, and he said, well, the prosecuting attorney won't accept it. I said, I don't care
[01:48:25.620 --> 01:48:30.740]  what the prosecuting attorney does. That's between me and the prosecuting attorney. You
[01:48:30.740 --> 01:48:34.900]  have a duty to present that to some magistrate. Well, my boss told me I couldn't. I said,
[01:48:34.900 --> 01:48:40.380]  okay. So I went to the county attorney, and they had already called him and told him about
[01:48:40.380 --> 01:48:46.080]  me. Well, he knows me anyway. I get there, and he comes out, and he said, Mr. Kelton,
[01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:51.260]  you think I'm out of my mind? Do you really think I would waive my sovereign immunity?
[01:48:51.260 --> 01:48:58.240]  I said, I didn't think so, but this is what I was told, so I had to check it. I go back
[01:48:58.240 --> 01:49:05.220]  to the police department. I knocked on the door. They had it locked, and the guy come
[01:49:05.220 --> 01:49:09.960]  out, and I said, I need to talk to the chief. The chief come out, and he said, what can
[01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:17.420]  I do for you, Mr. Kelton? I said, well, the county attorney just threw you under the bus,
[01:49:17.420 --> 01:49:30.540]  and I'm here to run you over with it. Oh, that was so much fun, and they were really
[01:49:30.540 --> 01:49:39.620]  concerned because I walked the code with them, and the chief said that he didn't want to
[01:49:39.620 --> 01:49:47.040]  waste the taxpayer's money by filing a complaint that he knew wouldn't be prosecuted, and
[01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:55.560]  I told him, I really don't care if you waste the taxpayer's money or not. What I care
[01:49:55.560 --> 01:50:02.080]  about is when I file a complaint with one of your officers, they are to present that
[01:50:02.080 --> 01:50:11.880]  complaint to some magistrate. So what happens? Since then, these guys have made further threats.
[01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:20.740]  They've threatened my life. If anything happens to me, then this officer sitting there,
[01:50:20.740 --> 01:50:29.000]  this officer over here will be charged with depraved heart assault or murder, and he'll
[01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:35.340]  be charged with that because he did what you told him to do. And boy, this guy's over
[01:50:35.340 --> 01:50:48.600]  there just squirming. And my point was, you follow code. If you don't follow code, then
[01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:54.180]  you create problems for yourself. He said, well, if we'd have gave it to the magistrate,
[01:50:54.180 --> 01:51:00.760]  he wouldn't have done anything with it. That's between me and the magistrate. But I want
[01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:04.180]  you to keep your officers off the hook.
[01:51:04.180 --> 01:51:11.920]  They have no business being put in this situation. He should never be in a situation to have
[01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:16.880]  to make these kinds of decisions. That's what we got magistrates for. If the magistrate
[01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:43.160]  don't do her job, I'll take that up with the magistrate. And he said, well, it's fair enough,
[01:51:43.160 --> 01:52:00.300]  now you have a man that is capable of fights and all those deals that I don't have right
[01:52:00.300 --> 01:52:01.300]  now.
[01:52:01.300 --> 01:52:11.300]  I've got to believe my heart If I can't believe my ears
[01:52:11.300 --> 01:52:21.300]  I've got to believe my heart Yeah, if I can't believe the newspapers
[01:52:21.300 --> 01:52:31.300]  I've got to believe my heart If I can't believe the radio
[01:52:31.300 --> 01:52:41.300]  I've got to believe my heart And my heart said woah, wait a minute
[01:52:41.300 --> 01:52:46.300]  You know I'm out here in this wilderness alone
[01:52:46.300 --> 01:52:51.300]  Troubles you bring to me make me feel like stone
[01:52:51.300 --> 01:52:56.300]  Just because you can't find belief in this reality
[01:52:56.300 --> 01:53:20.300]  Reality, reality, reality
[01:53:20.300 --> 01:53:36.300]  I keep finding myself in places
[01:53:36.300 --> 01:53:41.300]  Okay, we are back. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Roovelaw Radio. Sorry about that.
[01:53:41.300 --> 01:53:45.300]  I think the bad guys were listening and pulled the plug on me.
[01:53:45.300 --> 01:53:51.300]  There was one thing I did want to mention before I lose it again.
[01:53:51.300 --> 01:53:56.300]  You have a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:53:56.300 --> 01:54:01.300]  That means you come to the court at arm's length.
[01:54:01.300 --> 01:54:10.300]  Last time I went to court, they were going to have trial and I told the prosecutor, you might as well send the jury home.
[01:54:10.300 --> 01:54:15.300]  Well, we've got the jury here. We're not going to get to the jury.
[01:54:15.300 --> 01:54:19.300]  We have you set up for trial. I'm sorry, we're not going to get there.
[01:54:19.300 --> 01:54:22.300]  I filed a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:54:22.300 --> 01:54:26.300]  So I'm here at arm's length to the court.
[01:54:26.300 --> 01:54:36.300]  If the judge denies my challenge to subject matter jurisdiction, I cannot participate in any proceedings as I'm still at arm's length to the court.
[01:54:36.300 --> 01:54:43.300]  And I'll have to appeal the decision on subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:54:43.300 --> 01:54:46.300]  Does that make sense to you?
[01:54:46.300 --> 01:54:50.300]  Well, yeah, because that was leading up to another question I had.
[01:54:50.300 --> 01:54:53.300]  Should the court decide to just move forward to trial?
[01:54:53.300 --> 01:55:01.300]  My next appearance, which I'm just assuming, and you know how that gets you, is pretrial.
[01:55:01.300 --> 01:55:17.300]  And until the prosecution or the movement has entered something into the record for the judge to settle an discrepancy of, I see no reason for the judge to rule not on my behalf.
[01:55:17.300 --> 01:55:22.300]  Well, you're at arm's length. There is no ruling yet.
[01:55:22.300 --> 01:55:26.300]  Keep track of where you are.
[01:55:26.300 --> 01:55:34.300]  You have a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction, and most of the time if somebody files this, they don't understand what they're doing.
[01:55:34.300 --> 01:55:40.300]  You are at arm's length to the court. You have not accepted the jurisdiction of the court yet.
[01:55:40.300 --> 01:55:46.300]  And you will not accept the jurisdiction of the court until it's proven.
[01:55:46.300 --> 01:55:51.300]  Did you make your claim based on the right to travel issue?
[01:55:51.300 --> 01:56:00.300]  I didn't make it based on anything. I said I hereby challenge the subject matter jurisdiction of the court. Deny all charges.
[01:56:00.300 --> 01:56:09.300]  Send me an email. I will send you one that is a little more complete.
[01:56:09.300 --> 01:56:13.300]  How big is the town where this is at?
[01:56:13.300 --> 01:56:22.300]  Amarillo. You were close when you said Randall County. I live on the county line, Randall and Potter, right at the center of Amarillo.
[01:56:22.300 --> 01:56:29.300]  Oh, okay. So this is Amarillo. Okay. I'll send you a couple of requests to make.
[01:56:29.300 --> 01:56:43.300]  One of the things you want to see is the certification of the police officer, I mean of the peace officer, establishing him as a police officer.
[01:56:43.300 --> 01:56:47.300]  You understand the difference between those?
[01:56:47.300 --> 01:56:50.300]  I do, but not completely enough to...
[01:56:50.300 --> 01:56:57.300]  Okay, here it is. In Texas, we have peace officers and police officers.
[01:56:57.300 --> 01:57:03.300]  A police officer enforces the criminal code. A police officer enforces the traffic laws.
[01:57:03.300 --> 01:57:16.300]  The Texas administration code sets up the DPS, says the DPS may not enforce the criminal laws except at the request of and under the direction of local law enforcement.
[01:57:16.300 --> 01:57:20.300]  They are police officers, not peace officers.
[01:57:20.300 --> 01:57:26.300]  They may be certified as a police officer, but they are not employed as a peace officer.
[01:57:26.300 --> 01:57:41.300]  In order for a peace officer in a municipality to enforce the traffic laws, they must go through the certification listed in the Texas administrative code.
[01:57:41.300 --> 01:57:46.300]  And I don't think Amarillo is big enough to be able to do it.
[01:57:46.300 --> 01:57:57.300]  There are restrictions in there. Go to Monday night, talk to Eddie Craig, ask him to address that issue, who can enforce the traffic laws. You'll love this.
[01:57:57.300 --> 01:58:04.300]  Send me an email, I'll send you my ASIL documents. It's all in there. You'll have great fun with it.
[01:58:04.300 --> 01:58:10.300]  Alright, thank you so much. This is my hope to help everybody.
[01:58:10.300 --> 01:58:20.300]  OK, thank you much, Bob. And have fun up there in Randall County. Tell them you're good buddies with me. That'll get you thrown under the jail.
[01:58:20.300 --> 01:58:26.300]  OK, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Wheel of Law Radio.
[01:58:26.300 --> 01:58:35.300]  And we won't be here tomorrow night. We're going to have to run an archive as we have some maintenance duties to take care of.
[01:58:35.300 --> 01:58:49.300]  But we'll be back next Thursday. Thank you all for listening. And make sure you come back next Thursday and Friday. Good night.
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