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[03:16.000 --> 03:28.000]  Well, I received my remedy today. Came in the rocks just like they say. I accepted for value right away.
[03:28.000 --> 03:40.000]  It's not too early, not later. We are originators, and the pathway seems to get straighter every day.
[03:40.000 --> 03:47.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Felton, Steve Skidmore with La Radio, and we're talking to Ms. Carol.
[03:47.000 --> 03:53.000]  And I wanted to finish up what you were talking about on the break, MetLife.
[03:53.000 --> 03:59.000]  Yes. When I noticed the buy-sell, sell-buy, I worked for a rather large company.
[03:59.000 --> 04:07.000]  I was an inventory specialist, worked with some database and SAP R3, and did various things around the place.
[04:07.000 --> 04:14.000]  I was very familiar with Metropolitan Life Insurance Company because they were one of our providers for our benefits,
[04:14.000 --> 04:21.000]  and I was there during their demutualization. I actually had some stock in the company, and I lost some money.
[04:21.000 --> 04:32.000]  MetLife, back in 1999, was ran by a Mr. Ben Moshe, who later became the AIG CEO in 2011.
[04:32.000 --> 04:38.000]  But back in 1999, Metropolitan Life Insurance Company decided to demutualize.
[04:38.000 --> 04:45.000]  And my understanding of that is they went from a private stock company to a public stock company.
[04:45.000 --> 04:53.000]  So there were three people, Goldman Sachs and I believe McLean Brothers partnered with Metropolitan Life Insurance Company.
[04:53.000 --> 05:02.000]  They testified before the New York Insurance Commissioner, Mr. Levin, who later became the Port Authority before 9-1-1.
[05:02.000 --> 05:10.000]  But anyway, they testified before him that they needed him to okay everything and let them do this demutualization
[05:10.000 --> 05:17.000]  under an instrument called the closed block. And what that did was it created a trust up in Rhode Island.
[05:17.000 --> 05:24.000]  And it then also allowed them to not only be in the life insurance business, but to also be in the mortgage banking business.
[05:24.000 --> 05:30.000]  So they created the MetLife Bank, and they expanded their divisions, if you will.
[05:30.000 --> 05:34.000]  So they became an insurance slash mortgage banking syndicate.
[05:34.000 --> 05:40.000]  So they took a bunch of money from the private, at one point, private investors,
[05:40.000 --> 05:48.000]  and when they went public, a whole bunch of these people that had stock in the company lost a lot of money on the IPO,
[05:48.000 --> 05:53.000]  the way they did the sale. And there was a bunch of lawsuits over that side of it.
[05:53.000 --> 05:56.000]  And they ended up settling, I think, in 2011.
[05:56.000 --> 06:02.000]  MetLife Bank came in and out like a thief in the night, and they didn't tell everybody.
[06:02.000 --> 06:08.000]  Whenever they demutualized, they said, we're going to do a program, and we're going to employ certain people,
[06:08.000 --> 06:14.000]  and we're going to have mutual agreements and understandings with the title industry and the different people,
[06:14.000 --> 06:21.000]  and we're going to do what's called a purchase-sale-sale purchase program, which they later named a buy-sell-sell-buy program.
[06:21.000 --> 06:29.000]  And we're going to provide each stockholder the chance to sell everything and buy stuff, and there's not going to be any charge.
[06:29.000 --> 06:33.000]  And we're going to create this program, and we're going to pay these employees to do it,
[06:33.000 --> 06:37.000]  and we're going to pay them like 40 percent of whatever they sell or buy.
[06:37.000 --> 06:44.000]  They didn't tell everybody, we're going to get into the pension funds, and we're going to take these stockholders for a ride.
[06:44.000 --> 06:50.000]  We're going to create this private trust with only certain people that are going to own common stock.
[06:50.000 --> 06:54.000]  And then when we create the bank, we're going to do it on the mortgage side.
[06:54.000 --> 07:00.000]  And that's what I think the buy-sell-sell-buy is on the insurance side, what my daughter walked into,
[07:00.000 --> 07:06.000]  because I actually have the contract with the title company and the real estate agent. I bought it.
[07:06.000 --> 07:11.000]  And Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. So I actually have that contract.
[07:11.000 --> 07:17.000]  It's kind of like a third-party, kind of an arm's length transaction, a gentleman's agreement, if you will,
[07:17.000 --> 07:20.000]  that this is how we're going to do this side of it.
[07:20.000 --> 07:22.000]  So that's what they're doing.
[07:22.000 --> 07:31.000]  And what happened was in the testimony before Mr. Levin, the New York Insurance Commissioner, in April of 2000, or February 2000,
[07:31.000 --> 07:44.000]  the guy from Goldman Sachs testified that everybody else testified they were going to become MetLife a stock company.
[07:44.000 --> 07:48.000]  They're going to go public. But the guy from Goldman Sachs took it out of context.
[07:48.000 --> 07:51.000]  He said Met isn't going to become a livestock company.
[07:51.000 --> 07:59.000]  The other guys were quoting Rule 7312 of the Insurance Code of New York,
[07:59.000 --> 08:03.000]  but this guy took that out of context as well, and he said 7312.
[08:03.000 --> 08:07.000]  He didn't refer to the insurance law in New York.
[08:07.000 --> 08:12.000]  And then the attorneys came in a year or two later and actually corrected the record.
[08:12.000 --> 08:21.000]  And I actually have talked to Mr. Tierney, who is an actuary, who testified at hearings about objecting to this demutualization.
[08:21.000 --> 08:27.000]  So he verified with me that they were doing all kinds of things, like offsetting their tax obligation.
[08:27.000 --> 08:30.000]  I mean, he's fit to be tied about this. He's like Carol.
[08:30.000 --> 08:33.000]  And I talked to him a couple of years ago about this.
[08:33.000 --> 08:43.000]  So they testified they were going to start a livestock, L-I-V-E-S-T-O-C-K, and he went out of context again and said 7312.
[08:43.000 --> 08:49.000]  So I looked up livestock and 7312 on the Internet, and I found a cattle code for the year 1929.
[08:49.000 --> 08:54.000]  And when I looked at the cattle code, it was in an old Google book.
[08:54.000 --> 08:59.000]  And I looked at it, and I saw it in parentheses, and it said updated daily.
[08:59.000 --> 09:02.000]  And it said 7312 in parentheses.
[09:02.000 --> 09:09.000]  Well, when I cursed down, 7312 disappeared, and it went to L-I-V-E.
[09:09.000 --> 09:15.000]  And they talked about creating batch numbers and sequence numbers under common stock.
[09:15.000 --> 09:24.000]  What I didn't get to tell everyone was earlier, the property, the three properties that my daughter had in that file,
[09:24.000 --> 09:34.000]  one of them listed an address of 4294 Highway 35, which was across the street from the 4393 Highway 35.
[09:34.000 --> 09:36.000]  It was a commercial property.
[09:36.000 --> 09:40.000]  And I went back, and I kept thinking, what are they doing? Why are they going back in years?
[09:40.000 --> 09:43.000]  Well, it was because all three of the properties, there was taxes owed on them.
[09:43.000 --> 09:46.000]  They were all paid in the year 2008 when my daughter bought her house.
[09:46.000 --> 09:53.000]  They were all behind on their taxes, including this commercial property, this 4294.
[09:53.000 --> 10:00.000]  And under that was a batch number of LB, V421, and a sequence number of 61.
[10:00.000 --> 10:04.000]  And it was under the name Michelle R. Northrup.
[10:04.000 --> 10:07.000]  My daughter's name is Rachel Michelle.
[10:07.000 --> 10:09.000]  That's not her last name.
[10:09.000 --> 10:14.000]  So here's her stolen identity tied to these other houses.
[10:14.000 --> 10:19.000]  And underneath the batch and sequence number for the tax is her mother, her biological.
[10:19.000 --> 10:31.000]  That's me. That's my birth date, 0421, the year 61.
[10:31.000 --> 10:38.000]  I'm not understanding the import of this information.
[10:38.000 --> 10:43.000]  Well, Metropolitan Life said that whenever they created these common stocks
[10:43.000 --> 10:47.000]  and whenever they were going to create this buy, sell, sell, buy program,
[10:47.000 --> 10:50.000]  they were going to go under batch and sequence numbers.
[10:50.000 --> 10:54.000]  And then they would do related stock with it.
[10:54.000 --> 10:59.000]  And here is my daughter's stolen identity under these three properties.
[10:59.000 --> 11:10.000]  One of them in the mortgage had a property that was listed different than the 4385 Highway 35.
[11:10.000 --> 11:13.000]  It had a different address, which was across the street.
[11:13.000 --> 11:15.000]  It was a commercial property.
[11:15.000 --> 11:22.000]  So the Treasury, the Deputy Treasurer at the Land Record, at the Treasurer window, she helped me look it up.
[11:22.000 --> 11:24.000]  She said, this has to be it. And I said, do you think that's it?
[11:24.000 --> 11:26.000]  She said, yeah. She said, I do think it's it.
[11:26.000 --> 11:30.000]  So she wrote her name and her phone number, and I brought it home.
[11:30.000 --> 11:35.000]  And I was looking for the back taxes because all three of those properties,
[11:35.000 --> 11:44.000]  including this fourth one that I was looking up the back tax records for, all of them had back taxes owed in the year 2008.
[11:44.000 --> 11:52.000]  There was taxes owed clear back to 2005, but all of the taxes weren't paid until the year 2008 when they took out those loans.
[11:52.000 --> 11:56.000]  They were all paid at one time.
[11:56.000 --> 12:01.000]  So Rachel paid the back taxes on all three of those properties is what I'm saying.
[12:01.000 --> 12:09.000]  That fourth property that was in the mortgage, the batch number and the sequence number was underneath my birthdate
[12:09.000 --> 12:17.000]  and my birth year in a decadal digit, which ties in line with the census because in their world, time doesn't exist.
[12:17.000 --> 12:27.000]  They can go backwards and forwards and they do.
[12:27.000 --> 12:36.000]  There's still something I'm missing. I'll have to think on this and work it out.
[12:36.000 --> 12:40.000]  How are they making money this way? Did they swallow the property?
[12:40.000 --> 12:42.000]  Through the insurance.
[12:42.000 --> 12:50.000]  I'm thinking that you've got a property here that owes back taxes and normally they'll put that property up for auction.
[12:50.000 --> 12:54.000]  Oh, no. It's owned by the business leaders. I'm sorry.
[12:54.000 --> 12:59.000]  It's owned by Lingle Real Estate, Paul Lingle, the man that owns the real estate place.
[12:59.000 --> 13:02.000]  He owed a whole bunch of money that year. The clerk told me that.
[13:02.000 --> 13:10.000]  She said he owed a whole bunch of money that year and I'll bet you this might have been part of how he came up with all the money in 2008 to pay it.
[13:10.000 --> 13:13.000]  She wasn't the only one. He owed a bunch.
[13:13.000 --> 13:19.000]  There's a bunch of taxes owed in our city by some pretty major players like the common council people.
[13:19.000 --> 13:27.000]  Some of them, they owe money back tax years and they're quite substantial to back taxes.
[13:27.000 --> 13:32.000]  I'm trying to put all the pieces together. This guy has some major holdings.
[13:32.000 --> 13:43.000]  He's apparently got into cash flow issues and he's running a scam to generate funds to cover his cash flow issues.
[13:43.000 --> 13:46.000]  Is that what I'm understanding?
[13:46.000 --> 13:54.000]  I'm not sure. I just know that he's in with the county and city attorneys and there's a TIF fund and a CAFR funds
[13:54.000 --> 14:00.000]  and they're just running a backwards tax scam all the way around and they didn't just do it to her.
[14:00.000 --> 14:06.000]  They did it to everyone because MetLife is not going to just pick on a little old gal in Richmond, Indiana
[14:06.000 --> 14:12.000]  and they're not going to tie her stolen identities to her mother's birth certificate.
[14:12.000 --> 14:17.000]  Yeah, I'm thinking this is something more local and these guys are running a scam.
[14:17.000 --> 14:29.000]  No, it's not more local. It's the receipt that was generated, the LB0421 with the sequence year 61
[14:29.000 --> 14:34.000]  is actually a treasury receipt from the treasury window at the local land office.
[14:34.000 --> 14:43.000]  It's just that they play these games down at the local municipality level and people aren't looking for it.
[14:43.000 --> 14:52.000]  Okay, I'm going to have to probably go over this archive a second time to try to put this together,
[14:52.000 --> 14:55.000]  but there's an awful lot going on here.
[14:55.000 --> 15:01.000]  And if we have any listeners out there who have insight into what may be going on here,
[15:01.000 --> 15:06.000]  if we're going to go after them, we really have to understand what they're doing
[15:06.000 --> 15:09.000]  and not just that they're wheeling and dealing.
[15:09.000 --> 15:15.000]  It's clear they're doing some wheeling and dealing, but always following money.
[15:15.000 --> 15:16.000]  It's in testimony what they're doing.
[15:16.000 --> 15:18.000]  Go ahead.
[15:18.000 --> 15:22.000]  It's in testimony. They said they were going to create a livestock company.
[15:22.000 --> 15:29.000]  They said that they were going to commit the act of conversion and do a takings.
[15:29.000 --> 15:34.000]  They testified to that. Metropolitan Life Insurance Company did back in 1999.
[15:34.000 --> 15:44.000]  Okay, acts of conversion. Conversion as it relates to real property or to property is criminal.
[15:44.000 --> 15:45.000]  Right.
[15:45.000 --> 15:48.000]  That applies to criminal transfer.
[15:48.000 --> 15:55.000]  So you're saying that they testified before a hearing that they were going to illegally steal property.
[15:55.000 --> 15:58.000]  They were doing a takings in quotation.
[15:58.000 --> 16:06.000]  They were going to commit the act of conversion in quotation and do a takings.
[16:06.000 --> 16:08.000]  I would have to see that testimony in context.
[16:08.000 --> 16:10.000]  Somehow it doesn't quite make sense.
[16:10.000 --> 16:12.000]  I'll show it to you. I'm highlighting it.
[16:12.000 --> 16:17.000]  There's three different sets of testimony that I'm going to show you what I'm talking about.
[16:17.000 --> 16:21.000]  And I'm familiar with it because I worked for a large company and I lost money.
[16:21.000 --> 16:24.000]  So I'm familiar with the case itself.
[16:24.000 --> 16:25.000]  Okay, good.
[16:25.000 --> 16:31.000]  Once I've seen the documentation and went over it some, I may want you to come back on and let's do this again.
[16:31.000 --> 16:32.000]  Okay.
[16:32.000 --> 16:39.000]  It's way too complex to understand in just one or two hearings.
[16:39.000 --> 16:40.000]  I think we're about at the end.
[16:40.000 --> 16:43.000]  We've got a bunch of callers and we do want to get to them.
[16:43.000 --> 16:44.000]  That's fine.
[16:44.000 --> 16:47.000]  Thank you, gentlemen, for having me.
[16:47.000 --> 16:49.000]  Hold on. We'll finish up on the other side quickly.
[16:49.000 --> 16:53.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with our radio.
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[19:39.000 --> 19:41.000]  Okay, we are back.
[19:41.000 --> 19:46.000]  We're going to count Steve Kidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Carol in Indiana.
[19:46.000 --> 19:55.000]  Carol, can you kind of sum up where you're at and where you expect this to lead to in the near future?
[19:55.000 --> 20:08.000]  My daughter is still in her home, and we are still in this evidently corrupt judicial court.
[20:08.000 --> 20:13.000]  So we expect it to be wrapped up fairly soon.
[20:13.000 --> 20:24.000]  And the reason I wanted to bring it out is because one of the things that I noticed or that I found where people have reached out for me to help them
[20:24.000 --> 20:28.000]  is they're thinking that these are standard documents.
[20:28.000 --> 20:30.000]  Nothing about any of this is standard.
[20:30.000 --> 20:32.000]  There's a lot of trickery going on.
[20:32.000 --> 20:40.000]  If you see backdating or let's say, I'll give you an example, 422 Boyer Street.
[20:40.000 --> 20:42.000]  I'm just giving you a fix.
[20:42.000 --> 20:44.000]  Let's say 422 Randolph Street.
[20:44.000 --> 20:52.000]  It will have the other property, the way I found the other property is on the same paper it had 4393 NW 74.
[20:52.000 --> 20:58.000]  That is a mapping location like a longitude, latitude.
[20:58.000 --> 21:00.000]  That will lead you to another property.
[21:00.000 --> 21:09.000]  If you have dates that don't make sense or they're doing a disclosure or a re-disclosure to you before your closing date, that means something.
[21:09.000 --> 21:16.000]  If there's check marks everywhere on certain documents and not on others, that could mean something as well.
[21:16.000 --> 21:22.000]  The major thing is, and to pay attention to your notaries if anything is out of place, it means something.
[21:22.000 --> 21:27.000]  Every single little character on those documents have a meaning.
[21:27.000 --> 21:29.000]  That's what language is about.
[21:29.000 --> 21:31.000]  It is necessary to read that.
[21:31.000 --> 21:37.000]  It's necessary to read what your attorneys or your representatives are putting in the court cases.
[21:37.000 --> 21:42.000]  You need to pay attention to them spelling your name even slightly different because there's a meaning to everything
[21:42.000 --> 21:52.000]  and they have a thing that they do where they can create different identities and they're running mills within the judicial.
[21:52.000 --> 21:57.000]  The way that they're doing that is through the federal and state judicial conference.
[21:57.000 --> 22:05.000]  In this administration, they have decided to marry the federal and state judicial under their case management plan.
[22:05.000 --> 22:13.000]  They're paying each other through the judicial pension fund and through the victims' and lawyers' trust funds.
[22:13.000 --> 22:15.000]  That's the bottom line.
[22:15.000 --> 22:17.000]  That's about all I got to say, Randy.
[22:17.000 --> 22:18.000]  Okay.
[22:18.000 --> 22:23.000]  You have laid down some work for us.
[22:23.000 --> 22:27.000]  Steve, I think you and I have a lot of research to do.
[22:27.000 --> 22:30.000]  Absolutely.
[22:30.000 --> 22:34.000]  We will be looking at this and we'd very much like for you to come back again.
[22:34.000 --> 22:45.000]  Once Steve and I have done our own research so that we can ask at least sort of intelligent questions and not fumble around.
[22:45.000 --> 22:47.000]  No, you're very intelligent.
[22:47.000 --> 22:49.000]  There's a lot to wrap your mind around.
[22:49.000 --> 22:51.000]  I appreciate you having the opportunity to help.
[22:51.000 --> 22:54.000]  I thank you and I want to help other people.
[22:54.000 --> 22:58.000]  It's going to take all of us to get this.
[22:58.000 --> 23:04.000]  I don't want to see people homeless or people accused wrongly of something.
[23:04.000 --> 23:08.000]  If either any of us did this, we would be setting our butts in the pokey, wouldn't we?
[23:08.000 --> 23:10.000]  This isn't acceptable.
[23:10.000 --> 23:14.000]  This is illegal and not lawful.
[23:14.000 --> 23:20.000]  As complex as this is, there is no doubt in my mind that this is not an isolated event.
[23:20.000 --> 23:31.000]  I think that once we start looking into this, we're going to find this is more common than we would first think.
[23:31.000 --> 23:33.000]  There's a case in California.
[23:33.000 --> 23:36.000]  There's two or three cases in California.
[23:36.000 --> 23:43.000]  My research partner, Renee, we discovered on her property, there's a case in Colorado, Michelle.
[23:43.000 --> 23:47.000]  She said I could mention her name and we actually called the lawyers and the judges.
[23:47.000 --> 23:53.000]  They're doing the same thing and they were running that property and a third property into arrest the transaction.
[23:53.000 --> 23:54.000]  It's very prevalent.
[23:54.000 --> 23:56.000]  It's everywhere.
[23:56.000 --> 24:08.000]  This spells the destruction of the United States economy, perhaps.
[24:08.000 --> 24:10.000]  No, that's not my goal.
[24:10.000 --> 24:16.000]  It's just to get people to make them do their job.
[24:16.000 --> 24:18.000]  We're not talking about printed dollar bills here.
[24:18.000 --> 24:22.000]  We're talking about commercial paper.
[24:22.000 --> 24:28.000]  As far as I'm concerned, the powers that they can do what they want with their commercial paper.
[24:28.000 --> 24:29.000]  Right.
[24:29.000 --> 24:38.000]  But when you start dragging we the people into your commercial paper schemes, now I have a problem.
[24:38.000 --> 24:40.000]  Small children.
[24:40.000 --> 24:47.000]  We do believe in self-promotion, shameless self-promotion.
[24:47.000 --> 24:53.000]  Will you tell everybody how to find you in your blog spot?
[24:53.000 --> 25:03.000]  It's Two Moms on a Burrow and that's B-O-R-O-U-G-H and it's on blog talk radio.
[25:03.000 --> 25:08.000]  We do a show every Wednesday and we try to do it on identity theft.
[25:08.000 --> 25:15.000]  And then also I've done a show with Randy before, Randy and Steve one other time a few weeks ago.
[25:15.000 --> 25:20.000]  And then I did another show with Yoseph L. on blog talk.
[25:20.000 --> 25:22.000]  Okay.
[25:22.000 --> 25:25.000]  Thank you very much for sharing your time.
[25:25.000 --> 25:29.000]  Thank you for having me, gentlemen.
[25:29.000 --> 25:31.000]  Thank you very much and goodbye.
[25:31.000 --> 25:32.000]  Good night.
[25:32.000 --> 25:34.000]  Okay.
[25:34.000 --> 25:37.000]  Dave, thank you for hanging on so long.
[25:37.000 --> 25:42.000]  We're going to go to our callers and we're going to go to David in Texas.
[25:42.000 --> 25:45.000]  Hello, David.
[25:45.000 --> 25:47.000]  Hello.
[25:47.000 --> 25:48.000]  Hello.
[25:48.000 --> 25:50.000]  What do you have for us, Dave?
[25:50.000 --> 25:55.000]  Well, first of all, let me just say that I fell in love with you when I was visiting Austin last weekend.
[25:55.000 --> 25:57.000]  Thank you very much.
[25:57.000 --> 26:02.000]  I was flipping through the radio stations and you started going over the mirrors and everything.
[26:02.000 --> 26:05.000]  Anyway, let me just jump to what's going on with me.
[26:05.000 --> 26:15.000]  I didn't realize I was in a nonjudicial state here in Texas and I have a 6-3 sales date.
[26:15.000 --> 26:22.000]  So anyway, I ran down and filed a Chapter 13 as a matter of fact today
[26:22.000 --> 26:29.000]  and trying to figure out what the next step is to get prepared for battle here.
[26:29.000 --> 26:30.000]  Okay.
[26:30.000 --> 26:33.000]  Dave, do you have a pencil handy?
[26:33.000 --> 26:34.000]  Yes, I do.
[26:34.000 --> 26:35.000]  I got it right here.
[26:35.000 --> 26:36.000]  Now I'm ready to go.
[26:36.000 --> 26:37.000]  Good.
[26:37.000 --> 26:38.000]  Okay.
[26:38.000 --> 26:43.000]  I want to give you some research, some statutes and rules to research.
[26:43.000 --> 26:44.000]  Okay.
[26:44.000 --> 26:45.000]  I'm ready.
[26:45.000 --> 26:46.000]  Okay.
[26:46.000 --> 26:53.000]  And for bankruptcy, you want to study Bankruptcy Rule 3001.
[26:53.000 --> 26:55.000]  Okay.
[26:55.000 --> 27:06.000]  You will also want to study, that would walk hand in hand with UCC 9-312.
[27:06.000 --> 27:07.000]  Okay.
[27:07.000 --> 27:10.000]  E through H.
[27:10.000 --> 27:11.000]  Okay.
[27:11.000 --> 27:16.000]  Tell me about Texas in cash.
[27:16.000 --> 27:17.000]  I'm getting there.
[27:17.000 --> 27:18.000]  I'm getting there.
[27:18.000 --> 27:19.000]  I'm getting there.
[27:19.000 --> 27:23.000]  E through G is a kind of a pick your situation.
[27:23.000 --> 27:28.000]  H is what happens if you don't do what you're supposed to.
[27:28.000 --> 27:39.000]  Now, here in Texas, you would also want to research Texas Local Government Code,
[27:39.000 --> 27:47.000]  Section 192.007.
[27:47.000 --> 27:48.000]  Okay.
[27:48.000 --> 27:51.000]  Now go to your deed of trust.
[27:51.000 --> 27:54.000]  You're looking for Covenant 16.
[27:54.000 --> 28:00.000]  It's usually Covenant 16 in your average mortgage.
[28:00.000 --> 28:03.000]  If it is not Covenant 16, what you're looking for,
[28:03.000 --> 28:11.000]  the specific language you're looking for is governing law and severability.
[28:11.000 --> 28:13.000]  You can set aside the severability clause.
[28:13.000 --> 28:16.000]  It's the governing law clause that you're looking for.
[28:16.000 --> 28:19.000]  Now I'm going to tie all these together.
[28:19.000 --> 28:25.000]  Rule 3001 is an obligation for an alleged secured party
[28:25.000 --> 28:31.000]  to prove up their security interest.
[28:31.000 --> 28:35.000]  9-312 of the UCC.
[28:35.000 --> 28:37.000]  Hold on just a second.
[28:37.000 --> 28:40.000]  UCC in Texas is a business.
[28:40.000 --> 28:43.000]  He's in federal court.
[28:43.000 --> 28:44.000]  This is bankruptcy.
[28:44.000 --> 28:45.000]  It's not state.
[28:45.000 --> 28:46.000]  Bankruptcy is federal.
[28:46.000 --> 28:47.000]  Okay.
[28:47.000 --> 28:49.000]  I'll shut up now.
[28:49.000 --> 28:51.000]  Okay.
[28:51.000 --> 28:56.000]  9-312 E-H.
[28:56.000 --> 29:06.000]  9-312 provides a party a 20-day temporary perfection of a security interest.
[29:06.000 --> 29:12.000]  Now you can expect the alleged secured party to say,
[29:12.000 --> 29:17.000]  well, we've got a security interest, but we don't have to perfect it
[29:17.000 --> 29:28.000]  by means of the application of 192.007 of the Texas Local Government Code,
[29:28.000 --> 29:35.000]  which states that if there's a deed of trust made of record in the county records
[29:35.000 --> 29:43.000]  that anything that has anything to do with that deed of trust must also be filed in the same manner.
[29:43.000 --> 29:48.000]  That is to transfer a sign.
[29:48.000 --> 29:50.000]  And I hear the music in the background.
[29:50.000 --> 29:54.000]  I'm not going to have time to wrap this up, so I'll bring this to fruition on the other side.
[29:54.000 --> 29:56.000]  Folks, you're listening to Rule of Law Radio.
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[33:19.000 --> 33:43.000]  Yeah, I won't, oh I won't
[33:43.000 --> 33:50.000]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eye
[33:50.000 --> 33:58.000]  I really must refuse your note, also I've been lied
[33:58.000 --> 34:06.000]  It seems you like to say, but please take some words to the wise
[34:06.000 --> 34:14.000]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eye
[34:14.000 --> 34:16.000]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio, folks.
[34:16.000 --> 34:21.000]  We were talking to Dave in Texas on the way out, and Dave, I'm going to recap.
[34:21.000 --> 34:26.000]  I'm going to start back at BK Rule 3001 just to bring this all to fruition
[34:26.000 --> 34:30.000]  so that you'll have a good overview of what's going on here.
[34:30.000 --> 34:36.000]  BK Rule 3001, that's Bankruptcy Rule 3001,
[34:36.000 --> 34:42.000]  is an obligation for an alleged secured party to prove up their security interest in real property.
[34:42.000 --> 34:51.000]  Now, we go to UCC 9-312E-H.
[34:51.000 --> 34:57.000]  This allows a 20-day temporary perfection of the security interest.
[34:57.000 --> 35:00.000]  Now, how do you perfect your security interest?
[35:00.000 --> 35:03.000]  Well, you've got to tell the world, okay?
[35:03.000 --> 35:12.000]  So now you go to the state law, Texas Local Government Code, Section 192.007,
[35:12.000 --> 35:20.000]  which paraphrased states that if there's a deed of trust on record at the county record or county reporter's office,
[35:20.000 --> 35:27.000]  any assignment or transfer of interest in that original instrument or in that instrument
[35:27.000 --> 35:35.000]  must also be recorded and recorded in the same manner.
[35:35.000 --> 35:42.000]  Now, you can expect this alleged secured party to say, oh, well, we don't have to do that.
[35:42.000 --> 35:50.000]  Well, okay, let's revisit this deed of trust, the security instrument that you're claiming gives you
[35:50.000 --> 35:58.000]  some kind of right to collect on the underlying debt associated with the note.
[35:58.000 --> 36:04.000]  Now, the governing law, keep in mind the security instrument is what they bring into court
[36:04.000 --> 36:07.000]  to use as a proof of claim to take your property away.
[36:07.000 --> 36:13.000]  Governing law states that this security instrument shall be governed by federal law
[36:13.000 --> 36:18.000]  and the laws of the jurisdiction in which the property is located.
[36:18.000 --> 36:24.000]  Hello, Local Government Code, Section 192.007.
[36:24.000 --> 36:31.000]  So having said all that, and I hope you understand that, but having said all that,
[36:31.000 --> 36:38.000]  in bankruptcy, what happens to unsecured debt?
[36:38.000 --> 36:41.000]  Well, it gets written off, doesn't it?
[36:41.000 --> 36:44.000]  Well, this is Chapter 13, so there's no discussion.
[36:44.000 --> 36:45.000]  It doesn't matter.
[36:45.000 --> 36:47.000]  We're still talking about offset and recoup.
[36:47.000 --> 36:51.000]  We're talking about the discharge of an obligation.
[36:51.000 --> 36:58.000]  Okay, so secured property goes back to the secured party,
[36:58.000 --> 37:02.000]  but unsecured property gets written off.
[37:02.000 --> 37:03.000]  It's forgiven.
[37:03.000 --> 37:04.000]  The debt is forgiven.
[37:04.000 --> 37:06.000]  It goes away.
[37:06.000 --> 37:11.000]  David, did you claim your property as unsecured?
[37:11.000 --> 37:13.000]  On Schedule F.
[37:13.000 --> 37:19.000]  This is a skeleton DK, so I don't even think anything's really claimed in there.
[37:19.000 --> 37:22.000]  Well, you say you just filed it today or yesterday, is that correct?
[37:22.000 --> 37:24.000]  Not today, today this morning.
[37:24.000 --> 37:29.000]  Okay, so then you haven't had time to fill out your schedules.
[37:29.000 --> 37:42.000]  On Schedule F, as in Frank, you might consider claiming your alleged mortgage debt as unsecured.
[37:42.000 --> 37:48.000]  Now, what this is going to do is it's going to put a burden on the secured party
[37:48.000 --> 37:55.000]  to invoke his duty under 3001 and prove up his security interest.
[37:55.000 --> 38:02.000]  Now go back to the county records in the county that you live in
[38:02.000 --> 38:08.000]  and get a copy of every document in there since you purchased the property.
[38:08.000 --> 38:21.000]  Chances are that whoever is claiming a right to your property is not reflected or not recorded in the public record.
[38:21.000 --> 38:24.000]  Now, let's go back even further.
[38:24.000 --> 38:26.000]  Let's go back right after closing.
[38:26.000 --> 38:28.000]  Do you know who Pete is?
[38:28.000 --> 38:30.000]  Have you ever been introduced to Pete?
[38:30.000 --> 38:32.000]  No, I don't know who Pete is.
[38:32.000 --> 38:40.000]  Okay, Pete, P-E-T-E, that's an acronym for Party Entitled to Enforce.
[38:40.000 --> 38:42.000]  Okay.
[38:42.000 --> 38:51.000]  Now, right after closing, at closing you signed a whole lot of documents and initialed there and signed this
[38:51.000 --> 38:55.000]  and good lord, it was just a flurry of paperwork and it all took place in about 20 minutes
[38:55.000 --> 38:58.000]  and oh gee, look, it's time to go to lunch, right?
[38:58.000 --> 38:59.000]  Mm-hmm, correct.
[38:59.000 --> 39:02.000]  Okay, what happened to those documents?
[39:02.000 --> 39:04.000]  They left your purview.
[39:04.000 --> 39:13.000]  You gave up those documents for ransom for usually a minimum of 30 years or until the underlying debt is otherwise satisfied.
[39:13.000 --> 39:22.000]  Now you gave up these documents for ransom to somebody that you trusted would keep them safe and keep them intact.
[39:22.000 --> 39:23.000]  Mm-hmm.
[39:23.000 --> 39:33.000]  Okay, now right after closing, somebody took your deed of trust and they went down there and they filed that into the county records.
[39:33.000 --> 39:34.000]  Mm-hmm.
[39:34.000 --> 39:40.000]  Now pay very close attention to the language in 192.007.
[39:40.000 --> 39:46.000]  If they filed that deed of trust, then they've got to file any kind of assignments.
[39:46.000 --> 39:57.000]  Now in the securitization process, your mortgage loan instruments or an interest in your mortgage loan instruments
[39:57.000 --> 40:05.000]  changed hands through several parties along the way, but none of them are going to be in the public record anyway.
[40:05.000 --> 40:08.000]  Now this creates a cloud on title.
[40:08.000 --> 40:11.000]  Let me make a quick comment.
[40:11.000 --> 40:12.000]  Sure.
[40:12.000 --> 40:18.000]  What these guys are going to tell you and what MERS said, oh, well, gee whiz.
[40:18.000 --> 40:19.000]  Well, we don't know yet.
[40:19.000 --> 40:21.000]  We don't know if MERS is involved in this one.
[40:21.000 --> 40:22.000]  No, no.
[40:22.000 --> 40:23.000]  I understand that.
[40:23.000 --> 40:24.000]  Okay.
[40:24.000 --> 40:30.000]  This is the argument MERS made when they were sued for not filing.
[40:30.000 --> 40:35.000]  They said, well, there's nothing in the record requiring us to file the security instrument.
[40:35.000 --> 40:36.000]  And yeah, that's right.
[40:36.000 --> 40:42.000]  There's no requirement that you file the security instrument, but if you don't, you don't have a claim.
[40:42.000 --> 40:53.000]  But what Steve is saying is once they file that security instrument, now that invokes a duty to file the rest of the documents.
[40:53.000 --> 40:54.000]  That's right.
[40:54.000 --> 40:56.000]  That's absolutely right.
[40:56.000 --> 40:57.000]  Okay.
[40:57.000 --> 40:59.000]  Absolutely right.
[40:59.000 --> 41:09.000]  Now, right after closing, this thing changed hands several times and something else happened with your mortgage loan instrument.
[41:09.000 --> 41:13.000]  Somebody made a Xerox copy of it.
[41:13.000 --> 41:22.000]  When they make a Xerox copy of it, that Xerox copy is called a transferable record.
[41:22.000 --> 41:23.000]  Okay.
[41:23.000 --> 41:32.000]  Now go see Title 15 of the United States Code, Section 7021.
[41:32.000 --> 41:39.000]  That is the governing law for transferable records.
[41:39.000 --> 41:49.000]  Now, if they sold that transferable record into a real estate mortgage investment conduit, AKA a REMIC,
[41:49.000 --> 42:01.000]  what they did was in effect, what they did was they stripped the revenue stream out of the only document that you signed and gave any value.
[42:01.000 --> 42:09.000]  And they attached that revenue stream to the transferable record and sold the transferable record.
[42:09.000 --> 42:22.000]  Now, we go to UCC or the state equivalent, 3-203D as in David.
[42:22.000 --> 42:33.000]  It's 3-203D as in David in where it states that if the transferor purports to transfer less than the entire instrument,
[42:33.000 --> 42:41.000]  negotiation does not occur and the transferee acquires no rights under this chapter.
[42:41.000 --> 42:47.000]  Now, let me stress, we're not talking, we're talking about P, party entitled to enforce.
[42:47.000 --> 42:56.000]  We're not talking about who owns personal property, who owns the original instrument, who owns the transferable record.
[42:56.000 --> 43:00.000]  We're talking about who has the right to enforce that.
[43:00.000 --> 43:16.000]  3-203 is the only statute in United States Code anywhere that discusses or governs the rights transferred under a negotiable instrument.
[43:16.000 --> 43:18.000]  Rights have to be negotiated.
[43:18.000 --> 43:28.000]  Now, have you done, have you sent the foreclosing party a debt validation request?
[43:28.000 --> 43:30.000]  No, I have not.
[43:30.000 --> 43:32.000]  You might consider doing that.
[43:32.000 --> 43:35.000]  And to do that, ah, here we go to the break again.
[43:35.000 --> 43:42.000]  To do that, you want to go to Title 15 USC Section 1692G.
[43:42.000 --> 43:45.000]  That is a Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
[43:45.000 --> 43:48.000]  And we'll cover that when we get back from the break, folks.
[43:48.000 --> 43:49.000]  Stay there, David.
[43:49.000 --> 43:51.000]  There's more to come.
[43:51.000 --> 43:54.000]  You're listening to Rule of Law Radio with Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore.
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[47:07.000 --> 47:10.000]  We were talking with David in Texas on the way out.
[47:10.000 --> 47:16.000]  Actually, I was doing most of the talking, but David, I'm going to bring this back down to earth for you.
[47:16.000 --> 47:24.000]  I was talking about what happens to your mortgage instruments after they leave your purview.
[47:24.000 --> 47:36.000]  Somebody makes a transferable record out of it, and they strip the revenue stream away from the tangible instrument.
[47:36.000 --> 47:39.000]  I want to use terms tangible and intangible.
[47:39.000 --> 47:41.000]  Tangible is something you can touch.
[47:41.000 --> 47:44.000]  Intangible is something you cannot touch.
[47:44.000 --> 47:48.000]  You can touch the document that you created with your signature.
[47:48.000 --> 47:51.000]  What you cannot touch is a future revenue stream.
[47:51.000 --> 48:00.000]  It's that future revenue stream, the intangible future revenue stream, that they have stripped away from the tangible instrument,
[48:00.000 --> 48:06.000]  the only piece of paper that you gave value on the day of closing with your signature, and they attach it to the transferable record.
[48:06.000 --> 48:18.000]  Now, if they strip that intangible revenue stream from the tangible instrument and attach it to a transferable record and sell that transferable record,
[48:18.000 --> 48:24.000]  have they purported to transfer less than the entire instrument?
[48:24.000 --> 48:25.000]  Yes.
[48:25.000 --> 48:27.000]  Yes, very good.
[48:27.000 --> 48:31.000]  UCC-3203D.
[48:31.000 --> 48:34.000]  D is in David.
[48:34.000 --> 48:43.000]  But yes, then whoever it is that's coming forward has no rights under that chapter.
[48:43.000 --> 48:46.000]  Now, let's draw an analogy here.
[48:46.000 --> 48:48.000]  Let's say that you've got two pairs of glasses.
[48:48.000 --> 48:54.000]  You've got your common everyday Joe glasses, and you've got your legal glasses.
[48:54.000 --> 49:05.000]  Jake, both of these pair of glasses, now there's an old worn out trick that really doesn't work unless, I mean, it still works to a degree if you do it right,
[49:05.000 --> 49:13.000]  but not many people know how, and it's really not necessary to go there, but the old show me the note thing, okay?
[49:13.000 --> 49:14.000]  Yeah.
[49:14.000 --> 49:15.000]  All right, great.
[49:15.000 --> 49:22.000]  Let's say they bring the original instrument, the instrument that you signed on the day of closing, the wedding dock.
[49:22.000 --> 49:25.000]  Let's say they bring it into court and they say, here it is.
[49:25.000 --> 49:26.000]  Okay, great.
[49:26.000 --> 49:32.000]  Now, let me look at this through my everyday Joe glasses, and it looks through this pair of glasses,
[49:32.000 --> 49:36.000]  that original instrument looks as intact as it was the day I signed it.
[49:36.000 --> 49:37.000]  Oh, gee, okay.
[49:37.000 --> 49:39.000]  Well, let me change glasses here.
[49:39.000 --> 49:42.000]  Let me put my legal glasses on.
[49:42.000 --> 49:45.000]  There's a paragraph missing.
[49:45.000 --> 49:52.000]  I promised to pay X amount of dollars over the course of so many years, that's gone.
[49:52.000 --> 49:53.000]  That's gone.
[49:53.000 --> 49:55.000]  The obligation is gone.
[49:55.000 --> 50:00.000]  So you've got one of two things going on here.
[50:00.000 --> 50:09.000]  Either the party purporting to have a claim does not have rights to enforce the instrument.
[50:09.000 --> 50:15.000]  They don't have a security instrument in the property.
[50:15.000 --> 50:28.000]  Or there has been a breach of contract or breach of Covenant 16 or both because they have failed in their duty.
[50:28.000 --> 50:31.000]  Keep in mind, you didn't write this thing up, did you?
[50:31.000 --> 50:36.000]  This mortgage thing, you didn't draft it and bring it to the bank and say, here, do you agree with this?
[50:36.000 --> 50:37.000]  No.
[50:37.000 --> 50:39.000]  That was the other way around, wasn't it?
[50:39.000 --> 50:40.000]  Correct.
[50:40.000 --> 50:46.000]  So they saw fit to put a clause in there called governing law.
[50:46.000 --> 50:54.000]  They are the ones that said both parties are going to abide by federal law and the laws of the jurisdiction in which the property is located.
[50:54.000 --> 51:08.000]  Now, if they didn't perfect their security instrument, then they violated 192.007.
[51:08.000 --> 51:09.000]  So they breached the contract.
[51:09.000 --> 51:13.000]  Now, where's your obligation to make good on a breached contract?
[51:13.000 --> 51:15.000]  It doesn't exist.
[51:15.000 --> 51:16.000]  That's what?
[51:16.000 --> 51:19.000]  I see that we're on the same page.
[51:19.000 --> 51:20.000]  Yeah.
[51:20.000 --> 51:21.000]  No.
[51:21.000 --> 51:22.000]  I got it.
[51:22.000 --> 51:24.000]  Well, let me ask you this.
[51:24.000 --> 51:28.000]  Have debt validation, you were going there right before?
[51:28.000 --> 51:29.000]  Yes.
[51:29.000 --> 51:39.000]  Debt validation under 15 USC, that's Title 15 of the United States Code Section 1692G.
[51:39.000 --> 51:40.000]  Correct.
[51:40.000 --> 51:51.000]  That is, you would want to read that because there's a time period there in where you've got to send a demand
[51:51.000 --> 51:53.000]  or request to validate the debt.
[51:53.000 --> 52:06.000]  Now, when they send you debt validation, you might want to request a copy of the note as it exists today.
[52:06.000 --> 52:09.000]  I don't care about the original right now.
[52:09.000 --> 52:11.000]  I just want to see a copy of it.
[52:11.000 --> 52:17.000]  Do you have a copy, not of the original, but of as it exists today?
[52:17.000 --> 52:23.000]  Do you mention any launches or anything about the last page?
[52:23.000 --> 52:27.000]  Because it's that last page or in a launch, that's what you want to see.
[52:27.000 --> 52:31.000]  What you're looking for is a stamp.
[52:31.000 --> 52:38.000]  There'll be a rubber, the imprint of a rubber stamp either on the last page or on a launch.
[52:38.000 --> 52:48.000]  Now, in most cases, what you're going to find is one or more incomplete endorsements.
[52:48.000 --> 52:56.000]  And incomplete endorsements you can learn more about by reading UCC 3-115.
[52:56.000 --> 52:59.000]  3-115, okay.
[52:59.000 --> 53:01.000]  3-115.
[53:01.000 --> 53:04.000]  Now, this is a special endorsement.
[53:04.000 --> 53:13.000]  They're going to say, oh, no, this is a bearer instrument because it's been endorsed in blank.
[53:13.000 --> 53:16.000]  Au contraire, mon frère, okay.
[53:16.000 --> 53:22.000]  Go read incomplete endorsements under 3-115.
[53:22.000 --> 53:29.000]  We can see that the language there says pay to the order of,
[53:29.000 --> 53:35.000]  and then there's supposed to be an identified payee on that line, okay.
[53:35.000 --> 53:39.000]  But the payee has not been identified.
[53:39.000 --> 53:48.000]  Yet an agent for the principal signed their name underneath where it says without recourse.
[53:48.000 --> 53:55.000]  So in order, it will say pay to the order of, doesn't say pay to bearer.
[53:55.000 --> 53:59.000]  This is order paper, not bearer paper.
[53:59.000 --> 54:04.000]  Here in Texas, to understand the difference between order paper and bearer paper,
[54:04.000 --> 54:08.000]  I would encourage you to read a court case.
[54:08.000 --> 54:12.000]  I think it's 1971, if I'm not mistaken.
[54:12.000 --> 54:18.000]  It really doesn't matter, but Haas versus Faebacher, H-O-S-S-V-Faebacher.
[54:18.000 --> 54:20.000]  Faebacher spelled exactly like it sounds.
[54:20.000 --> 54:25.000]  Look up H-O-S-S-V-Faebacher, and that will bring to your mind an understanding of the difference
[54:25.000 --> 54:28.000]  between order paper and bearer paper.
[54:28.000 --> 54:34.000]  Just to nutshell this, if something says pay to the order of, that requires a special endorsement.
[54:34.000 --> 54:39.000]  That means there's got to be an identified payee on the payee line.
[54:39.000 --> 54:42.000]  Then it will usually say without recourse underneath that line,
[54:42.000 --> 54:45.000]  and then somebody would have signed that.
[54:45.000 --> 54:51.000]  Question, if there's no identified payee on the payee line,
[54:51.000 --> 54:58.000]  how can somebody act as an agent for an unnamed or unidentified principal?
[54:58.000 --> 55:00.000]  No, they can't.
[55:00.000 --> 55:02.000]  Not a chance.
[55:02.000 --> 55:04.000]  Now, here's a question for you.
[55:04.000 --> 55:11.000]  What about like the FTC and opinion writers talking about computer-generated printouts?
[55:11.000 --> 55:18.000]  I think it's Wolman, computer-generated printouts does not validate debt.
[55:18.000 --> 55:21.000]  Does any of that play into this?
[55:21.000 --> 55:25.000]  Sounds to me like you're going to the best evidence rule.
[55:25.000 --> 55:28.000]  Okay.
[55:28.000 --> 55:30.000]  Look into the best evidence rule as well.
[55:30.000 --> 55:34.000]  That is the root of the show me the note thing.
[55:34.000 --> 55:38.000]  Best evidence rule, okay.
[55:38.000 --> 55:41.000]  All right. Now, next question.
[55:41.000 --> 55:42.000]  Okay.
[55:42.000 --> 55:43.000]  I'm already in bankruptcy.
[55:43.000 --> 55:49.000]  Adversary complaint in bankruptcy with a quiet title, slander title.
[55:49.000 --> 55:54.000]  Is that a little premature?
[55:54.000 --> 55:55.000]  Is it better that I attack that?
[55:55.000 --> 55:57.000]  No, it's not premature.
[55:57.000 --> 56:04.000]  It is premature at this juncture because your adversary complaint will come in
[56:04.000 --> 56:12.000]  once the alleged secured party fails to prove up their security interest.
[56:12.000 --> 56:17.000]  They've got to fail first and then you can file an adversary pleading.
[56:17.000 --> 56:22.000]  Let me address quiet title or trespass to try title.
[56:22.000 --> 56:26.000]  That is only filed in the state court.
[56:26.000 --> 56:33.000]  And that's kind of a sneak up behind them when they're not looking type of pleading.
[56:33.000 --> 56:38.000]  First, you want to look real careful at the documentation
[56:38.000 --> 56:43.000]  and find something wrong with the filing.
[56:43.000 --> 56:49.000]  First thing you check is your lender to see if the lender went out of business.
[56:49.000 --> 56:52.000]  The lender went out of business and after they went out of business,
[56:52.000 --> 56:58.000]  there was an assignment by MERS as nominee for the lender.
[56:58.000 --> 57:02.000]  Then you ask the question, how is MERS a nominee for a dead guy?
[57:02.000 --> 57:08.000]  So you challenge the assignment as being insufficient.
[57:08.000 --> 57:13.000]  And in a quiet title or a trespass to try title,
[57:13.000 --> 57:19.000]  you only want to claim that this document is insufficient.
[57:19.000 --> 57:24.000]  Make no other claims, no claim of harm, no claim of injury.
[57:24.000 --> 57:28.000]  It's strictly a petition for declaratory judgment.
[57:28.000 --> 57:32.000]  Ask the judge to rule that when they file this document,
[57:32.000 --> 57:35.000]  they did not file it in accordance with the rules
[57:35.000 --> 57:40.000]  and ask the judge to rule that it wasn't filed in accordance with the rules.
[57:40.000 --> 57:46.000]  Therefore, it's insufficient and void and unenforceable.
[57:46.000 --> 57:50.000]  That sneaks up behind them because you get that one.
[57:50.000 --> 57:56.000]  Anything they've done using that as authority now falls apart on them.
[57:56.000 --> 57:59.000]  And you can do that at the same time you're doing the Fed.
[57:59.000 --> 58:02.000]  If you do that, they'll remove it to the Fed
[58:02.000 --> 58:05.000]  and then you file a challenge subject matter jurisdiction in the Fed
[58:05.000 --> 58:07.000]  because of the new rules.
[58:07.000 --> 58:12.000]  If there's only state issues and there's no federal issue
[58:12.000 --> 58:15.000]  inextricably bound to a state issue,
[58:15.000 --> 58:20.000]  then the federal judge must sever the state issues and remand them.
[58:20.000 --> 58:24.000]  They'll probably get it in the Fed because the Fed's totally corrupt.
[58:24.000 --> 58:27.000]  Okay, hang on.
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[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.000]  Welcome back to Rule of Law, folks.
[01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:16.000]  On the way out, Randy was going through a quiet title, trespass, tri-title.
[01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.000]  Something that he said earlier is that we like a little bit of,
[01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:24.000]  or we do encourage selfless, shameless self-promotion.
[01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:33.000]  I'm going to encourage you, Dave, to go to prosaforeclosure.wordpress.com.
[01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.000]  That's prosaforeclosure, all one word, dot wordpress.com.
[01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:47.000]  I've set up a blog site for pro se litigants to use as a tool for foreclosure issues,
[01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:53.000]  and I have in my articles an article titled Quiet Title Actions,
[01:04:53.000 --> 01:05:02.000]  in where I've got listed all of the elements of quiet title, slandered title.
[01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:06.000]  I need to go back in there and put trespass, tri-title in there,
[01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.000]  because I've seen now, looking at it, I've failed to do that.
[01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:24.000]  But in VK, you might, I don't know, slandered title might be a better suited,
[01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:32.000]  I'm sorry, slandered title might be better suited for your adversary pleading in bankruptcy.
[01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:39.000]  Now, keep in mind you're not, you won't be asking for damages in this,
[01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:44.000]  but you can certainly show that somebody slandered your title.
[01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  Now, under slander of title, there are four elements in a slander of title suit
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:58.000]  that is a publication or utterance, that's one, that is two, false,
[01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  three, with malice, and four, loss of a specific sale.
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.000]  Now, you don't need to necessarily meet all those elements,
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  because you're not necessarily trying to sell your house.
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:17.000]  So, you wouldn't have to have lost the benefit of a bargain,
[01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:25.000]  but you can certainly prove that somebody has made an utterance in a publication
[01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:31.000]  that is a written form of misrepresentations of material facts,
[01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  they came into court, and on with documents, they're purporting to have a security interest,
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:44.000]  oops, false, with malice, now they're trying to harm you,
[01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:50.000]  and they know they don't have a secured, a perfected security interest.
[01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  Malice is the only thing that they can be coming in there with the intent to do.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.000]  Let me address, they know.
[01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:06.000]  They have imputed knowledge of everything that is in the public record.
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:12.000]  If you are standing on the courthouse steps, waiting for the sale at 8 o'clock,
[01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:18.000]  and somebody goes down to the clerk and files a list pendants at 9 o'clock,
[01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:22.000]  as soon as they open, and at 9.30, you bid on the property,
[01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:26.000]  you know about that, less pendants.
[01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:32.000]  Either you have actual knowledge or you have imputed knowledge.
[01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.000]  So, they can't say they don't know if you could look in the record,
[01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  and the documentation in the record is somehow invalid or improper,
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:46.000]  and if you can get that ruled in a trespass to try title,
[01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:50.000]  a trespass to try title you would do after foreclosure,
[01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:57.000]  and you would challenge the trustee's deed or a quiet title action
[01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:03.000]  to quiet the title against a security instrument, an assignment,
[01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.000]  or appointment of substitute trustee.
[01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:12.000]  If any of those are improperly filed on their face, these guys know about it.
[01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:16.000]  They can't claim they didn't. I'll shut up now.
[01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.000]  No, that's good.
[01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:23.000]  Dave, did that pretty much address your questions?
[01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:27.000]  Totally outstanding, guys, and basically I've got a little action plan here.
[01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:31.000]  I've got to file my Schedule F and list as an unsecured debt,
[01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:37.000]  and one of the things I did today just to make sure that I would get my filing approved
[01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.000]  is I submitted a payment plan,
[01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:45.000]  and what I want to do is I want to convert it over to a fee waiver.
[01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  Any feedback on that or input on that?
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:55.000]  I'm not that familiar with bankruptcy.
[01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  Okay.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:01.000]  I know somebody who is, my boss.
[01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.000]  Okay.
[01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:09.000]  I work for a law firm, so if you'd like to contact me off air,
[01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:15.000]  if you're interested in counsel to help you out with BK, I'd be happy to do that.
[01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  Okay, Steve works for this guy.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.000]  You cannot recommend him directly, but I can.
[01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:22.000]  Okay.
[01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.000]  No, that's okay.
[01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  Call the Kelly law firm.
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  This is the guy who got the decision in a Houston case
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:38.000]  that you have standing to challenge an assignment.
[01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.000]  Yes.
[01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:45.000]  That was Miller v. Homecomings.
[01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.000]  Miller v. Homecomings.
[01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.000]  Yes.
[01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:56.000]  That was done successfully by Austin attorney Jeff Kelly of the Kelly Legal Group.
[01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:57.000]  Okay.
[01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:03.000]  Then basically what you're telling me is I really want to take this up on county court,
[01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.000]  not in the BK court.
[01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:11.000]  Oh, no, no, no, no. BK court stops them from taking any further action.
[01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.000]  Correct.
[01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:13.000]  So that's good.
[01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:14.000]  Keep that BK thing going.
[01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:19.000]  But at the same time, you come around, this will go to the district court.
[01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:23.000]  You try to undermine some of their documentation.
[01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.000]  I got you.
[01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.000]  So kind of hit them on both sides.
[01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:27.000]  Exactly.
[01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.000]  Two points.
[01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:37.000]  Read everything they've filed in the county record and read every document.
[01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.000]  And the county record is not that much.
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:42.000]  You've got a 15-page security instrument,
[01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:46.000]  and that's the one that you really need to read carefully
[01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  and then come back and ask us a lot of questions about it
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.000]  because Steve and I will rip that thing to pieces.
[01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  And then you'll have an assignment of the security instrument.
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.000]  Sometimes it says security instrument in the note.
[01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.000]  You want to look at those assignments.
[01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:03.000]  Who did the assignment?
[01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  Did the original lender do the assignment?
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:09.000]  First thing you check, is the original lender still in business
[01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  when this assignment was done?
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  When the original lender filed the security instrument in the county record,
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:22.000]  is there any indication that they had already sold
[01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:30.000]  or negotiated the payment stream?
[01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.000]  If they did, then they didn't have a claim anymore.
[01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:37.000]  The security instrument files the note,
[01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  and if they essentially transferred the note,
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.000]  the only value in the note is somebody else,
[01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.000]  they needed to transfer the security instrument to that person,
[01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  and that person needed to file it.
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  If they filed it after they negotiated away their right to be paid,
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.000]  you'd claim that was invalid.
[01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.000]  Was it electronically filed?
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:05.000]  Is it legal to electronically file documents in the real property records,
[01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:10.000]  specifically prohibited by 15 U.S. Code 7003?
[01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:14.000]  They name them specifically, you can't electronically file these.
[01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:18.000]  So there's a whole lot of stuff to look at.
[01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:21.000]  Get those documents, and the way you'd want to get it
[01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:28.000]  is you go to the clerk and tell the clerk that you are computer intolerant.
[01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.000]  Can you run me a check on this property
[01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:35.000]  and just give me a list of everything that's been filed?
[01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.000]  Now you can go to court and say,
[01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:42.000]  Your Honor, these are the documents that are publicly available
[01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.000]  concerning this property,
[01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.000]  because this was all the clerk could find.
[01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  There may be other stuff in there,
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  but if the clerk can't find it, you don't want to see it.
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.000]  It ain't there.
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:04.000]  Then you get those documents and read them really carefully,
[01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  compare all the dates, look at who signed what,
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.000]  and who is this guy?
[01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  He signed this document, where did he get authority to sign this document?
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:19.000]  Where did any person or entity get the authority to do what they did?
[01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.000]  Read them a couple of times, and that's where the action is.
[01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:29.000]  Read them all in the context of the security instrument.
[01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:32.000]  Covenant, Steve...
[01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:35.000]  16. Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:46.000]  14 is fees, 15 notices, 16 governing law, and 20.
[01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.000]  The sale of a note.
[01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  After 20 is 22, 23 sometimes.
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:58.000]  It says in there who is authorized to appoint a substitute trustee.
[01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  It always says the lender.
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  If you look on this document, Merge is mentioned on the document,
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:10.000]  and Merge references the lender's successors and assigns,
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.000]  so successors and assigns are mentioned on the document.
[01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:18.000]  But in the section that says who can transfer the security instrument,
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:22.000]  it says very specifically the lender.
[01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  It does not say the lender or Merge acting as nominee for the lender
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  or the lender's successors and assigns.
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.000]  It says the lender.
[01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.000]  And what is not included is excluded.
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:35.000]  Read those real careful.
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  You'll find lots of stuff you can hold them in court with till they get owed.
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.000]  Okay, so let me ask you this.
[01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  Do I pay the jury fee or not?
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  Absolutely.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  Okay, that's what I was thinking too.
[01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  Yeah, if you show me one sympathetic juror, I'll show you a banker's wife.
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.000]  Okay.
[01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.000]  Let's see here.
[01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:03.000]  I think that's it.
[01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.000]  I mean, I've got my homework here.
[01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000]  I've got a lot of reading to do and a little bit of work to do.
[01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  And if we hosed you down too strong, it's a good thing that this show is archived.
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:18.000]  Yeah, no, I definitely am going to be looking for the archive.
[01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  Thanks a lot, guys.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.000]  I really appreciate it.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:21.000]  You're quite welcome.
[01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.000]  Thank you for calling in, Dave.
[01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.000]  Now let's go to Jean in New York.
[01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:31.000]  Hello, Jean, what you got for us tonight?
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  Hello, Jean in New York.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.000]  It's about my brother's will.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.000]  Yes, it's about my brother's will.
[01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:42.000]  Okay.
[01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.000]  His mother died in 2000.
[01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:54.000]  She left the will to my brother because he has learning disabilities and he has a nervous disorder.
[01:15:54.000 --> 01:16:03.000]  And so she left my sister and my brother as not beneficiaries but, you know,
[01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:07.000]  executors of the will.
[01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:18.000]  And my brother is in his 80s and he's been trying to get money, you know, like when he needs money.
[01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.000]  They give him a hard time about that.
[01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:24.000]  And he's tried to talk to my sister.
[01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.000]  Okay, wait, wait, wait.
[01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  You're using pronouns.
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.000]  She's just very unreasonable with him.
[01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.000]  No, no, hold on.
[01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.000]  You're using a pronoun, they.
[01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.000]  Okay.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.000]  Do you want me to use the name?
[01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  So we don't have a reference.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.000]  I want to meet my sister.
[01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  Okay, hang on, hang on.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:42.000]  We're going to break.
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.000]  But we'll pick this up when we come back.
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[01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:26.000]  Before we left to break, we were speaking with Gene in New York about some issues concerning the will.
[01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:29.000]  Now, Gene, Randy was bringing up a point about pronouns.
[01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:35.000]  When you say they, that's they, them, he, she, they're all vague and ambiguous.
[01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:45.000]  Let's be specific as to who they, them, he or she is.
[01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.000]  You had the floor, dear.
[01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.000]  Well, my sister Pat and my brother Ron.
[01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:52.000]  Well, we don't need names.
[01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.000]  Just sister's good, brother's good, mom's good.
[01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:57.000]  Okay.
[01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.000]  We can keep it that vague.
[01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  Okay, so.
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:10.000]  Go ahead.
[01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.000]  Are you there, Gene?
[01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.000]  Okay.
[01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:22.000]  They won't, yes, and my sister will not give him any money like if he needs something.
[01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.000]  Him and he is your brother?
[01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.000]  Like an emergency, and she'll say.
[01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:28.000]  Well, the money's not to be used for an emergency.
[01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:30.000]  Yes.
[01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:31.000]  Okay.
[01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:33.000]  My brother, the one that the will is for.
[01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:35.000]  Okay, let me ask you a question.
[01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:37.000]  In the will.
[01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.000]  Okay.
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:39.000]  Hang on.
[01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.000]  You apparently can't hear me yet.
[01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:57.000]  In the will, is there anything stipulated as to how much money will be doled out of a trust to the beneficiaries?
[01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:08.000]  Well, they sold, my mother sold her house, and so all that money went to my brother because of his problems, and she, you know, was concerned about him.
[01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:09.000]  Okay.
[01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.000]  That money will be taken care of, all right?
[01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:26.000]  So it's related for like if he needs anything for either food or clothes, if he needs something for his apartment, you know, things like that.
[01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:27.000]  Okay, hold on.
[01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:39.000]  Is the sister the executor of the will or a guardian for your brother?
[01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:54.000]  Okay, what is the sister's relationship concerning the funds and the brother?
[01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:55.000]  We've got a lag, Brenda.
[01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:56.000]  Go ahead.
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:57.000]  Go ahead, Jean.
[01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.000]  I don't really know.
[01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.000]  Okay, who's controlling the money?
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.000]  Well, they've never gotten along.
[01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.000]  It doesn't matter.
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:09.000]  My sister is.
[01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:17.000]  Who's controlling the money?
[01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:18.000]  Is the sister controlling the money?
[01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.000]  My sister is.
[01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  She's the one that's in charge of the money.
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:24.000]  Yes.
[01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  Okay, go ahead, Randy.
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  Under what authority is the sister controlling the money?
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.000]  He doesn't even know.
[01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.000]  That's irrelevant.
[01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.000]  Question.
[01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.000]  Under what authority?
[01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.000]  Okay, we're having some difficulty here.
[01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:46.000]  Yeah, it sounds like we've got some lag time between questions and answers.
[01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:56.000]  Jean, are you on a satellite internet link?
[01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.000]  No.
[01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:02.000]  Okay, we're getting some terrible latency.
[01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.000]  You might try calling us back.
[01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:10.000]  Maybe we'll get a better connection, but this is not working well.
[01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.000]  We can't communicate well.
[01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.000]  It's taking way too much time.
[01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.000]  Try hanging up and calling us back.
[01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:19.000]  We'll take you right back.
[01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:20.000]  Okay.
[01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:21.000]  Okay, thank you.
[01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:26.000]  Now we're going to go to Jay in California.
[01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:28.000]  Hello, Jay.
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:31.000]  Hey, Randy, long time.
[01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.000]  What do you have for us today?
[01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.000]  Well, the last time I spoke to you about a year and a half ago,
[01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:42.000]  there was a ticket that came out of New Jersey.
[01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:48.000]  And the ticket was written for a violation that the cop made up.
[01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.000]  It didn't match.
[01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:54.000]  It was for no parking and standing, like a 2 to 5 a.m.
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:00.000]  The ticket, I appealed it after mother died.
[01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:05.000]  I ended up using the profound regret that the city and the judge just dismissed it
[01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:09.000]  because I tore the law apart, you know,
[01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.000]  put the law to it and showed them where the law was inconsistent
[01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.000]  with the time on the ticket, the whole nine yards.
[01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.000]  So the court dismissed it.
[01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:24.000]  So it so happens that I decide, well, maybe I need to go check on my California license.
[01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.000]  I have this idea that you don't really need one to drive,
[01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:31.000]  but let's go see what happens.
[01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:32.000]  So I go in.
[01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:37.000]  You do, for clarification, you do need one to drive, quote, unquote, drive.
[01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:41.000]  Drive being a commercial term, but you don't need one to travel.
[01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  No, I don't need one to travel.
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:49.000]  But the end result of it is that I go in to take the test,
[01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:55.000]  and I am told that the state of New Jersey is holding a suspension
[01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.000]  against my driver's license.
[01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:03.000]  So that day, it was a little too late to do anything about it.
[01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.000]  So I called the next morning, and I get this woman on the phone,
[01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.000]  and she says, oh, you think you could just run away.
[01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:12.000]  You're going to pay this fine.
[01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:17.000]  You've got to pay $150, and you're thinking that you're just going to be a scofflaw.
[01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.000]  You thought we were going to let you get away, right?
[01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:22.000]  And I told her, I said, ma'am, I said, if I were you,
[01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.000]  I would be very careful about what I'm saying.
[01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.000]  I said, because you are a public servant.
[01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:30.000]  You are not a judge.
[01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:31.000]  You're not a jury.
[01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:33.000]  You don't know what happened.
[01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:37.000]  And I'm here to tell you that the ticket is dismissed,
[01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.000]  and you're not getting any money.
[01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.000]  You're not going to get anything.
[01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:42.000]  You don't think so?
[01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:43.000]  But she argued with me.
[01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.000]  She called me a criminal.
[01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.000]  A couple of things.
[01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:50.000]  So I'm sitting there like, OK.
[01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.000]  She then proceeds to tell me I need to call the law department,
[01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:58.000]  because I told her, I said, what you're doing is you're extorting money
[01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.000]  for something that is not there.
[01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:01.000]  It's not valid.
[01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:07.000]  And as a public service, you have a duty to provide honest services.
[01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:12.000]  If you're not doing your due diligence, you're not providing honest services.
[01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.000]  You're going to pay this money.
[01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:18.000]  She wanted to give me the law department's phone number,
[01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:22.000]  because I was telling her what she was doing was fraudulent.
[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.000]  So she hung up on me.
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.000]  So I called back.
[01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:29.000]  I got another supervisor who proceeded to give me the law department's
[01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:32.000]  phone number again, which did not work.
[01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  So I called the judiciary in the state of New Jersey,
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.000]  gave them my driver's license number in that state,
[01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.000]  and found out the ticket number.
[01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:52.000]  I called the city and got a supervisor there who then sent the paperwork
[01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:57.000]  that had been dismissed and sent it back to DMV.
[01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.000]  Well, before I could get that out within the hour,
[01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.000]  I pulled the driving record from the state of California,
[01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.000]  and all of a sudden it's gone.
[01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:12.000]  But I still have the ocular proof where they had the suspension.
[01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:18.000]  So what I think I'm going to do is to file with the FDC about that
[01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:21.000]  and to file a claim against the state of New Jersey
[01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:25.000]  for the intentional infliction of emotional duress for fraud.
[01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:27.000]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:32.000]  Is this a ticket issued by a municipality?
[01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:33.000]  Yes.
[01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:35.000]  Okay.
[01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.000]  You have to understand, you'll never win your case
[01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:43.000]  simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:46.000]  Everything is political.
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:51.000]  You have a municipality here where the chump municipal court
[01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.000]  is not doing the job the way they're supposed to.
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:58.000]  Well, they're public officials.
[01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.000]  You are the master.
[01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  But they don't work for you.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.000]  They work for the mayor.
[01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:11.000]  So I suggest you send a tort letter to the mayor
[01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:14.000]  notifying him that you're going to sue his behind
[01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:19.000]  for having his no good rotten municipal court violate law
[01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:22.000]  and cause you all of this abuse.
[01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.000]  Have you ever been in the military?
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.000]  Oh, yeah, that's right.
[01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:30.000]  What would happen if I went in as a civilian
[01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:36.000]  and sued out your commander for something you didn't even do?
[01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:41.000]  Would it matter when they got to you?
[01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.000]  No.
[01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.000]  And everything's political.
[01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:48.000]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio
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[01:29:52.000 --> 01:30:03.000]  We'll be right back.
[01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:08.000]  A judge has imposed a lifetime driving ban on a 17-year-old boy
[01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:12.000]  after a serious accident to send a message about reckless driving.
[01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be back with more
[01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:18.000]  usually harsh punishment in a moment.
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[01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:38.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:41.000]  Randy Kelton, Thieves Kidmore, Wheel of Life Radio,
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:43.000]  and we're talking to Jay in California.
[01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:44.000]  Yeah.
[01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.000]  My point here, Jay, is you will never win your case
[01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:49.000]  because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:50.000]  Nobody cares.
[01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.000]  These guys don't care about that.
[01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:54.000]  They only care about politics.
[01:33:54.000 --> 01:34:00.000]  And if you hammered the mayor and threatened to sue him,
[01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:07.000]  accusing him of sending that court specifically to annoy you,
[01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:16.000]  good chance they'll get this fixed really fast.
[01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  I had a police officer.
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:24.000]  I live in a small town, and he didn't know who he was,
[01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:28.000]  and he came up because I was doing some plastic welding
[01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:31.000]  with a little torch and we had a fire ban on.
[01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:36.000]  And I couldn't have that torch, and I messed with him a little bit.
[01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:38.000]  And then I said, wait a minute, you jostled me, right?
[01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.000]  Oh, no, sir, no, sir, you can't have that open plan.
[01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:46.000]  That Judge Faustel, the district judge,
[01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  sent you down here to harass me, didn't he?
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.000]  Just because I filed one little criminal complaint with him,
[01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.000]  with the attorney general.
[01:34:55.000 --> 01:35:00.000]  And this guy stepped back, held up both hands with his palms out.
[01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.000]  One moment, sir, gets on the phone, calls his boss.
[01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:08.000]  About 45 seconds later, the chief of police steps out of the city hall
[01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:12.000]  and said, Randy, I live right next to city hall.
[01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.000]  Randy, what are you doing to my new officer?
[01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:19.000]  Oh, Tom, heck, I was just jerking his chain.
[01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:22.000]  And this officer said, oh, God,
[01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:28.000]  I saw my whole career pass before my eyes.
[01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.000]  What do you think is going to happen
[01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.000]  when you get done chewing out the mayor
[01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:36.000]  and the mayor gets done with the chief of police
[01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:40.000]  or the head municipal judge
[01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.000]  and the municipal judge gets hold of this smart-mouthed woman
[01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:46.000]  who's giving you all this guff?
[01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:50.000]  Good chance she'll get her attitude adjusted.
[01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  Well, the other thing that I wanted to share with you from New Jersey,
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.000]  there's something else that's very interesting
[01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.000]  and I'm trying to figure out how to address it with the state.
[01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.000]  Okay, hold on.
[01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:07.000]  You're the one with the service dogs.
[01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.000]  I'm the one with the service dogs.
[01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:10.000]  Okay, okay, I know who you are.
[01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:11.000]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.000]  Okay.
[01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:18.000]  You know, the Bridgegate scandal in New Jersey has been like all over the place.
[01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.000]  So it's something very funny about the Bridgegate scandal.
[01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:30.000]  It seems as though the legislature sued the aid for her paperwork.
[01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.000]  Now, the problem that I have with this case...
[01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:35.000]  Wait, wait, hold on a second.
[01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:37.000]  For those who don't know,
[01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:44.000]  the governor's office blocked a bridge from New Jersey
[01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:50.000]  to pay back some official who didn't endorse the governor when he ran for office.
[01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:52.000]  This is just a political crap deal.
[01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:55.000]  So that's what this Bridgegate scandal is about.
[01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:05.000]  Okay, so the legislature sued the woman who gave the order to get her note.
[01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.000]  The judge in the case, Mary C. Jacobson,
[01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:14.000]  is the same judge that was in the case with my mother and I,
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:17.000]  where my brother took stolen mail into the court,
[01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:21.000]  and she used that piece of stolen mail to go on a fishing expedition.
[01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:26.000]  Now she has a public servant who's in a paid public position
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:29.000]  who she allows more privacy for
[01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  than she allowed for my mother and myself, citing privacy.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.000]  So what I'm trying to figure out here is...
[01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:38.000]  Now, wait a minute.
[01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:40.000]  How do you get this?
[01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:44.000]  This older woman, I cited privacy issues.
[01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:48.000]  You gave us none, but you give a public official privacy,
[01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:53.000]  where on the private side you don't have any.
[01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:55.000]  Oh, I see.
[01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:04.000]  And you still think that these guys care about what the law says in the least.
[01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.000]  I kind of think that way, yeah.
[01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  Yeah, you're a veteran.
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:14.000]  You can't be that naive.
[01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.000]  No, I can't be, but you know,
[01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:21.000]  one can hope that one day things do what they're supposed to.
[01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:24.000]  Okay, I'm fixing to dash your hopes.
[01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  Think back to the movie The Miracle on 54th Street.
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:31.000]  Okay.
[01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:36.000]  Santa Claus comes down and he's telling everybody he's Santa Claus,
[01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:41.000]  and they hold a sanity hearing for him.
[01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:44.000]  And the judge rules that he is Santa Claus.
[01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:48.000]  Do you remember why the judge ruled that he was Santa Claus?
[01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:52.000]  Because the post office delivered the mail to him.
[01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:56.000]  No, because his advisor told him,
[01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:05.000]  if you don't rule that he is Santa Claus, you will never get elected again.
[01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:12.000]  Had absolutely nothing to do with law, had everything to do with politics.
[01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:17.000]  It's always political.
[01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.000]  And it's not necessarily a problem.
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:23.000]  Once we understand that it's political,
[01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:32.000]  now we start looking for how can I go up high and find this big gob of poop
[01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.000]  and get it rolling.
[01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:37.000]  I think poop's okay.
[01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  Yeah, that's the plumber's rule.
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:45.000]  There's two rules in plumbing, paydays on Friday and poop flows downhill.
[01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.000]  Exactly.
[01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  So in any case you have, I had one of the people earlier, I didn't get to it,
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:58.000]  but I wanted to say, where is the political?
[01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:03.000]  When we had Carol on, I wanted to talk about where's the politics?
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:13.000]  Where is somebody who can gain politically by helping you pursue these guys?
[01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:16.000]  Because if you can't find somebody who can gain politically,
[01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:19.000]  you're not going to find anybody to do anything.
[01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:22.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:25.000]  We start looking at politics and I tell you it's fun.
[01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:30.000]  I have great times generating politics.
[01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.000]  When I ask a bailiff to arrest a judge and he refuses,
[01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:38.000]  oh well, Bubba, life's filled with little decisions.
[01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  We all get to make some.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:44.000]  Now, you know I can sue this judge, but they'll throw my case out in a heartbeat.
[01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:51.000]  You, two-bit bailiff, that judge will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.
[01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:59.000]  So you want to protect the judge, Bubba, you want to do your job.
[01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:05.000]  It is a lot, you know, the political side, once you get it,
[01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:12.000]  and once you get over this notion that our public officials are going to enforce our law,
[01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:17.000]  that's just naive, they're not going to do it, unless you beat them up and make them.
[01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:18.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:22.000]  But don't be such a stranger, call us back, have some fun with these guys.
[01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:32.000]  What FDR told A. Philip Randolph, if you want civil rights, then make me do it.
[01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:40.000]  Exactly. Rights belong to the belligerent litigant.
[01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:46.000]  It reminds me of the Lord of the Rings scene where the racer coming after Frodo,
[01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:52.000]  and she stops and tells him, if you want him, come and take him.
[01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:55.000]  If you want your rights, take them.
[01:41:55.000 --> 01:42:00.000]  But we need to be good, you know, we're soldiers, we need to be good soldiers.
[01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:01.000]  Right.
[01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:07.000]  We fight them well, I want to be a good combatant.
[01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  I'm going to be hard to beat because I'm going to use every tool that's there.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:15.000]  I do need to go back to Gene, but don't be such a stranger.
[01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.000]  I was going to leave you on this note.
[01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:22.000]  I came across the book that I have found absolutely enjoyable reading called
[01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.000]  The Belligerent Plaintiff.
[01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.000]  Absolutely fascinating because it talks about everything,
[01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:34.000]  and it reminded me of you when I found it.
[01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  Which part, the belligerent or the plaintiff part?
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:47.000]  The fact of the matter that if you are, if you have anything that goes wrong,
[01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  that as long as you don't shut up about it, they can't win.
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:59.000]  But the minute you literally don't complain about it, you've lost your claim.
[01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:02.000]  That's the gist of it overall.
[01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:07.000]  The gist are kind of a rough sketch, but there's a few more pieces in between.
[01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.000]  But it was just the fact of the matter that, you know, if you don't,
[01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:15.000]  it kind of boils down to the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:20.000]  Yeah, it also goes to the legal maxim that acquiescence is acceptance.
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:21.000]  Yes.
[01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:31.000]  Never stipulate to anything and anything you don't challenge, you stipulate to.
[01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:32.000]  That's the rule.
[01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.000]  Okay, we're about to go to break.
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:35.000]  Have a good one, Randy.
[01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:36.000]  Talk to you soon.
[01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:37.000]  Thank you, Jerry.
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:38.000]  Don't be a stranger.
[01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:42.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with our radio.
[01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  And we're having fun here at the end.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:48.000]  Gene, we will pick you up as soon as you come back on the other side
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  and hope we get a better connection.
[01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:55.000]  So give us a, we're a little late to call, but we've got two callers.
[01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:56.000]  I see you all there.
[01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:57.000]  We'll pick you up on the other side.
[01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:55.000]  The people come down from the hill
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:59.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:02.000]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio,
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:06.000]  and we're going to Gene in New York.
[01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:10.000]  Oops, Steve un-muted her, I re-muted her.
[01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:13.000]  You want to un-mute her again?
[01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.000]  Sure, I got it.
[01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.000]  Oh, there we go.
[01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:20.000]  Okay, say something, Gene.
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:23.000]  Let's see if we've got a better connection this time.
[01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:26.000]  Okay, yes, I'm back.
[01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:27.000]  There we go.
[01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  Yes, there's not so much latency there.
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:31.000]  This is going to go a lot better.
[01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:37.000]  Okay, so when we departed, we were trying to figure out who the executor was.
[01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:40.000]  Is the sister the executor of the estate?
[01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:42.000]  Yes.
[01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:44.000]  Okay.
[01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:49.000]  Now, is the sister, I'm going to ask a rather personal question,
[01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:54.000]  and I don't mean anything, I don't mean any harm in asking this question,
[01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:58.000]  but I would ask that you be perfectly honest.
[01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:02.000]  Is this sister trustworthy?
[01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.000]  I don't think so.
[01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  Okay, so there might be a little bit of greed involved?
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.000]  Yes.
[01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  Okay, now is there a possibility that since the brother is generally,
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  I say generally, incapacitated, is there a possibility,
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  I'm not saying what the likelihood is,
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:34.000]  but is there a possibility that the sister is trying to protect the brother
[01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:38.000]  from frivolous spending?
[01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:44.000]  No, I think more that she's trying to protect herself so that when he dies
[01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:49.000]  that there's going to be enough money for her.
[01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:55.000]  Have you looked at the possibility of asking the court to appoint an attorney
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:00.000]  ad litem for your brother for his interest?
[01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:04.000]  We have tried to go through an attorney before,
[01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:11.000]  and she claims that she does all these things for my brother,
[01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:15.000]  which she doesn't, and I don't know,
[01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:20.000]  because there's not a whole lot of money in the trust,
[01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:25.000]  a lot of lawyers don't really want to tackle it or have anything to do with it.
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:29.000]  No, that wasn't what I was talking about.
[01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:34.000]  You can ask the court, if your brother is incapacitated,
[01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:38.000]  you can ask the court to appoint a guardian for him.
[01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.000]  I said attorney ad litem, and I wanted to bite my tongue when I said that,
[01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  because an attorney ad litem or any attorney in appropriate manner
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:52.000]  will do everything they can to steal every dime out of the estate.
[01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:58.000]  But a guardian, you might be able to get the court to appoint a guardian
[01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:02.000]  to look out for your brother's interest if you are concerned
[01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:09.000]  that the sister may be depriving the brother in order to maintain the estate for herself.
[01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  I see. So then she would be taken off as...
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:18.000]  No, she would still be the executor.
[01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:24.000]  If she was made the executor by your mother, that's her decision.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  But a guardian is someone who can act in your brother's self-interest.
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:37.000]  If your sister is not providing funds in accordance with the intent of the will,
[01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:42.000]  then she could pursue that issue as a third party.
[01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:51.000]  If you go to the judge, the judge is going to think you're just trying to get part of it for yourself,
[01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:57.000]  you're part of the family, you're all alike, everybody in that family is all grubbing for the money.
[01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:01.000]  But if you have a guardian who is not really a part of this group
[01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:06.000]  and is not subject to receive anything from this will,
[01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:10.000]  the court will pay real close attention to the guardian.
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  And if the guardian tells the judge that she's not providing services to the son
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:21.000]  which he needs and the will intended, then the courts will pay attention.
[01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  Okay.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:26.000]  And most likely if your sister has to deal with a third party,
[01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:29.000]  she's going to be a lot more careful anyway.
[01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:34.000]  Right, because like right now my brother does not know how much money he has,
[01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:39.000]  he doesn't know what bank it's in, I mean she won't tell him nothing.
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:45.000]  A guardian would take care of that and you can go to the court and ask the court to appoint the guardian.
[01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:49.000]  And they will almost always do that.
[01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:50.000]  Okay.
[01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:51.000]  All right.
[01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.000]  Yeah, I think maybe we ought to do that because, you know,
[01:51:55.000 --> 01:52:02.000]  she's been doing this since, like I said, 2000, you know, since my mom died.
[01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:06.000]  It may do more.
[01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:12.000]  It may give your sister opportunity to explain to the guardian what she's doing
[01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:15.000]  because she may have a really good reason.
[01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:21.000]  It may not just be that she's just trying to save the estate for herself.
[01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:28.000]  And I really hate to see a family come apart this way over money.
[01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:30.000]  Well, we've never been close, you know.
[01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.000]  He's never been close with his sister either.
[01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:36.000]  That's difficult.
[01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:38.000]  Family is so important.
[01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:39.000]  It is.
[01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:43.000]  And I think, you know, to me I think my mother should have left it
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:48.000]  and somebody that wasn't actually in the family, you know,
[01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  like an outsider that would have been more fair, you know.
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:59.000]  Yeah, the problem with that is always in these cases whoever doesn't get what they want
[01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:02.000]  thinks that the other is unfair.
[01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:03.000]  And you're close.
[01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  There's a lot of emotion involved.
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.000]  That's why if you can get a third party in the middle.
[01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:10.000]  Right.
[01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:11.000]  Yeah.
[01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:19.000]  And apparently your mother trusted that your sister had good judgment.
[01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:20.000]  Yeah, she did.
[01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  I don't know.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  And it might, you know, she may be thinking about that.
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.000]  And sometimes we need something to put a little pressure on it.
[01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:32.000]  And a guardian would most likely do that.
[01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:37.000]  She wouldn't give the guardian an opportunity to get into the estate
[01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:40.000]  and try to rob the estate herself.
[01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:41.000]  Right.
[01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:44.000]  Well, the point is my brother, the one I'm talking about,
[01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:49.000]  has had a stroke like seven, eight years ago.
[01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  And at the time that he had the stroke, my sister said to him, she goes,
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.000]  well, you probably won't be living much longer.
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:00.000]  So, you know, it's things like that when she says things like that
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.000]  that really make you wonder how much does she care about her brother
[01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:07.000]  or is she really more concerned about how much he's going to get.
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.000]  Okay, I study psychology.
[01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.000]  This is one of my primary studies.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:17.000]  And it may well be that your sister is very visually oriented
[01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:22.000]  and she is a visual-kinetic disassociation.
[01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:26.000]  The visual-kinetic disassociation pays attention to the world around them
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.000]  based on how things appear.
[01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:32.000]  And they simply don't do feelings.
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:35.000]  I had a mother-in-law, she was absolutely a sweetheart,
[01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:42.000]  but she would say the dumbest things and hurt your feelings terribly
[01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:50.000]  and literally have no clue because she didn't do feelings.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:56.000]  So it may be that if your sister is a neat freak,
[01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:00.000]  keeps everything exactly where it should be in every area and place,
[01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.000]  good chance she's a visual-kinetic disassociation.
[01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:06.000]  That doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings.
[01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:11.000]  She just doesn't know how to moderate what she says
[01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.000]  and she says things that people take wrong
[01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:19.000]  and it may not necessarily mean that her heart is in the wrong place.
[01:55:19.000 --> 01:55:26.000]  Well, I've also found out by, I have another brother too,
[01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:29.000]  not the one I'm talking about, but another one,
[01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:34.000]  and he's very much in with my sister.
[01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:39.000]  And he also said to Bobby, I'm sorry, my brother,
[01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:47.000]  he said that my sister was putting money into other people's names
[01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:51.000]  so that they couldn't find out if they checked into it.
[01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:53.000]  That's a problem.
[01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:57.000]  Now you go to the court and ask for an audit.
[01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:00.000]  Yeah, that's misappropriation.
[01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:03.000]  She can get in big heap of trouble for that.
[01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:06.000]  And then when my brother said to me, what did you say?
[01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:09.000]  And then he said, oh, nothing.
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:13.000]  So it's things like that that go on that.
[01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:18.000]  Then ask the court to appoint a guardian for the brother
[01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:23.000]  and then if the guardian goes to the court and asks for an accounting,
[01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:25.000]  they'll get it.
[01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:27.000]  Okay.
[01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:30.000]  So it all centers around getting the guardian for him?
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:31.000]  Yes.
[01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  You need a third party that has no real interest in the case
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.000]  and that's who the judge will trust.
[01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.000]  Okay.
[01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:41.000]  All right.
[01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:45.000]  Well, you've answered my question, so I thank you very much.
[01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.000]  You are welcome.
[01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:49.000]  Thank you for calling.
[01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:50.000]  Good night.
[01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  Go ahead, Steve.
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:52.000]  Take Walt.
[01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:53.000]  I'll butt out.
[01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:54.000]  Okay.
[01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.000]  We're going to go to Walt in New York.
[01:56:57.000 --> 01:56:59.000]  Walt, we've got about four minutes left in the show.
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:01.000]  What you got, brother?
[01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:02.000]  Good evening, Steve.
[01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:03.000]  First time, Steve.
[01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.000]  Nice to meet you, sir.
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:06.000]  Nice to meet you.
[01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:07.000]  Okay.
[01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:10.000]  I'm piggybacking Gene because I had a formal living contract
[01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:11.000]  back in 1974.
[01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:14.000]  That means we were married by the state, not by God.
[01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:17.000]  But anyway, he forgot to ask you one question because there's a
[01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:20.000]  time limit and, you know, she's sort of nervous.
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:23.000]  She also has a son right now that had a traffic violation.
[01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:25.000]  He's got to go to court Monday.
[01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:26.000]  I'm not going to tell you everything.
[01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:27.000]  We haven't got enough time.
[01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:30.000]  But he told the officer he wasn't in transportation.
[01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.000]  In conversation, he stole his car and everything else.
[01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:34.000]  So they got it impounded.
[01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:36.000]  We're going to handle it in court.
[01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:40.000]  But Gene wants to know what we can do to keep that car from
[01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:42.000]  being sold by the impound company.
[01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:46.000]  Because the car that her son bought, he doesn't own it all.
[01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:49.000]  The owner of the car doesn't know this happened yet.
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:51.000]  And he still holds it.
[01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.000]  The car was bought for $650, $650,000.
[01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.000]  He paid about $300 plus.
[01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:59.000]  So how can we get a lien or something so the owner doesn't
[01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:01.000]  have to get the car up to the impound company?
[01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  And we're going to fight in court on the young man that Gene's
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.000]  son said, great.
[01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.000]  I was on the phone too, Steve.
[01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:09.000]  Recording.
[01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:10.000]  Call me at the road stop.
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.000]  OK.
[01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:12.000]  OK.
[01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:14.000]  Randy?
[01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:15.000]  OK.
[01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:16.000]  I remember this one.
[01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:19.000]  You've got to get that, pay to get that car out of impound.
[01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:21.000]  The charges are billed up every day.
[01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  You can fight that later.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.000]  But get it out of impound first.
[01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:26.000]  And I'm sorry.
[01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:28.000]  We ran out of time.
[01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.000]  We'll be back next Thursday.
[01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:31.000]  Give us a call.
[01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:34.000]  And I apologize if we're too late for Monday.
[01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:36.000]  But you might listen to the Monday night show.
[01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:37.000]  That's Eddie.
[01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:40.000]  He does a traffic show on Monday nights.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:43.000]  He can give you better information than me.
[01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:45.000]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  Randy Kelton, Steve Kidmore.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:48.000]  Good night.
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