[00:00.000 --> 00:07.840]  In Japan, where pampering your dog is serious stuff, pet lovers can now keep track of every
[00:07.840 --> 00:09.840]  step their beloved pooches take.
[00:09.840 --> 00:14.400]  I've got your Cameron Albrecht back to tell you about the latest in pet equipment, dog
[00:14.400 --> 00:16.920]  pedometers, in a moment.
[00:16.920 --> 00:18.640]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.640 --> 00:22.240]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.240 --> 00:27.240]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:27.240 --> 00:28.760]  So protect your rights.
[00:28.760 --> 00:32.320]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.320 --> 00:35.040]  Privacy, it's worth hanging onto.
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[00:45.760 --> 00:50.760]  On weekends in Tokyo's Yoyogi Park, it's common to see women wheeling their dogs in strollers
[00:50.760 --> 00:53.240]  dressed in frilly doggy attire.
[00:53.240 --> 00:57.680]  In case you didn't know, pampering pets in Japan is a national pastime.
[00:57.680 --> 01:02.680]  Now dog lovers have a new way to do it on their pets, a cloud-connected pedometer pendant.
[01:02.680 --> 01:06.080]  The tracks each time Fido puts one paw in front of the other.
[01:06.080 --> 01:10.600]  The pedometer is strapped to the dog's neck and logs steps, shivering motions, and body
[01:10.600 --> 01:11.600]  temperature.
[01:11.600 --> 01:16.400]  Transfer this vital data to the cloud, owners, and their cell phones at the pendant.
[01:16.400 --> 01:17.960]  Monitoring pups with pendants?
[01:17.960 --> 01:21.560]  Pardon my Japanese, but I'd say Sayonara to this trend.
[01:21.560 --> 01:28.440]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[01:28.440 --> 01:36.960]  Did you know the majority of businesses in the U.S. are family owned?
[01:36.960 --> 01:41.320]  We're not just talking mom and pop stores, but companies at the very top of the corporate
[01:41.320 --> 01:42.320]  ladder.
[01:42.320 --> 01:47.240]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back with the top family businesses next.
[01:47.240 --> 01:48.960]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:48.960 --> 01:52.560]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:52.560 --> 01:57.560]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:57.560 --> 02:02.680]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[02:02.680 --> 02:05.320]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[02:16.320 --> 02:19.680]  When it comes to business, blood and money really do mix.
[02:19.680 --> 02:23.240]  A whopping 8 out of 10 American businesses are family owned.
[02:23.240 --> 02:27.960]  They contribute nearly 60% of the nation's economy and employ nearly two-thirds of the
[02:27.960 --> 02:28.960]  U.S. workforce.
[02:28.960 --> 02:34.360]  Many of the firms in the S&P 500 are family controlled, and they're doing great.
[02:34.360 --> 02:38.800]  They're more stable, and they inspire more commitment and trust in their employees.
[02:38.800 --> 02:42.520]  The biggest family owned business is Surprise, Walmart.
[02:42.520 --> 02:45.640]  Next comes Ford, Cargill, Koch Industries.
[02:45.640 --> 02:48.840]  Carlson Companies, Comcast, and News Corp.
[02:48.840 --> 02:52.400]  Rounding out the top 10 is the sweetest of them all, Mars.
[02:52.400 --> 02:53.400]  M&M's anyone?
[02:53.400 --> 03:21.400]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[03:21.400 --> 03:28.400]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.
[03:28.400 --> 03:38.400]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.
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[03:59.400 --> 04:16.400]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.
[04:16.400 --> 04:40.160]  What are you going to do when we come for you, bad boys and bad girls?
[04:40.160 --> 04:42.240]  We are not giving you any break.
[04:42.240 --> 04:49.320]  We are on the rule of law, this is the Logos Radio Network, LogosRadioNetwork.com.
[04:49.320 --> 04:55.960]  Tonight is Thursday, January 17th, 2013.
[04:55.960 --> 04:58.080]  I am one of your hosts, Deborah Stevens.
[04:58.080 --> 05:01.880]  I am here with my esteemed co-host, Randy Kelton.
[05:01.880 --> 05:05.760]  And tonight we have a very interesting show for you planned.
[05:05.760 --> 05:09.680]  We've got Mr. Larry Weest is on with us again tonight.
[05:09.680 --> 05:15.760]  He is our newest host on the Logos Radio Network listeners because of your support, because
[05:15.760 --> 05:17.200]  of your donations.
[05:17.200 --> 05:21.360]  We are able to continue to bring you this valuable information and we are able to continue
[05:21.360 --> 05:22.560]  to add shows.
[05:22.560 --> 05:27.400]  We've got more shows coming for you as well on health and nutrition.
[05:27.400 --> 05:34.520]  We'll be making that announcement in another week or so when that whole thing gets solidified
[05:34.520 --> 05:36.520]  and locked down.
[05:36.520 --> 05:41.840]  And we also have another special guest for you tonight, ladies and gentlemen.
[05:41.840 --> 05:46.440]  We have with us right now on the line Mr. Chris Hall.
[05:46.440 --> 05:53.000]  He is the owner of Zombie Killers Ammo and Guns in Corpus Christi.
[05:53.000 --> 06:01.240]  This is the man who is donating the Rock River AR-15 to the Logos Radio Network fundraiser.
[06:01.240 --> 06:02.600]  We are so happy to have him on.
[06:02.600 --> 06:08.720]  He wants to talk about gun laws and how the ATF abuses legislation.
[06:08.720 --> 06:10.840]  One of my producers was talking about this.
[06:10.840 --> 06:13.400]  Larry was telling me about this also.
[06:13.400 --> 06:19.640]  And speaking of the fundraiser, let me just plug a little bit here just to let folks know
[06:19.640 --> 06:23.800]  what is going on here that we have all kinds of perks for folks.
[06:23.800 --> 06:32.600]  We have, if you donate $50 or more, you will receive either a Purium Health Products gift
[06:32.600 --> 06:36.720]  card and they offer some great products.
[06:36.720 --> 06:44.560]  I use a product called the Love Powder and it is a protein drink that is all vegan.
[06:44.560 --> 06:50.280]  It's made with spirulina and chlorella and rice bran and all kinds of wonderful things,
[06:50.280 --> 06:54.400]  wheat grass, etc., etc., and all kinds of vitamins, just wonderful stuff.
[06:54.400 --> 06:59.120]  It will keep you going all day long, give you a lot of energy, excellent stuff.
[06:59.120 --> 07:06.720]  Or you could get, for $50, you could get a Hewlett Packard Light Scribe DVD Burner.
[07:06.720 --> 07:12.600]  Brand new, straight out of the box and I highly would encourage folks to take either one of
[07:12.600 --> 07:17.680]  these gifts also for $75 and these are all donated by listeners by the way.
[07:17.680 --> 07:19.320]  So please don't be afraid to take them.
[07:19.320 --> 07:25.160]  You're not robbing me, you're not taking anything out of my pockets by getting one
[07:25.160 --> 07:27.600]  of these gifts.
[07:27.600 --> 07:36.560]  If you donate $75 or more, you will get either a 32 ounce bottle of colloidal silver or a
[07:36.560 --> 07:44.880]  32 ounce bottle of Ionic Silver produced by a Silver Lungs Generator.
[07:44.880 --> 07:51.400]  We do have a listener, actually it's Larry, who has a Silver Lungs Generator and he is
[07:51.400 --> 07:56.080]  able to make these for y'all.
[07:56.080 --> 07:58.120]  Don't worry about using up too much of a silver.
[07:58.120 --> 08:02.720]  They give you a lifetime supply of silver with the Silver Lungs Generators and so I
[08:02.720 --> 08:05.800]  highly encourage you folks to get a bottle of these.
[08:05.800 --> 08:14.280]  If you donate $150, you will get both 32 ounce bottle of colloidal silver or a 32 ounce bottle
[08:14.280 --> 08:15.280]  of Ionic Silver.
[08:15.280 --> 08:16.840]  It's a great deal.
[08:16.840 --> 08:24.560]  And of course the perk that everyone is talking about is the Rock River AR-15 being donated
[08:24.560 --> 08:27.640]  by Zombie Killer's ammo and guns.
[08:27.640 --> 08:34.160]  For every $20 donation that you make, your name will be put into the hat one time for
[08:34.160 --> 08:37.320]  your chance to win this marvelous firearm.
[08:37.320 --> 08:42.000]  Now folks, this is not a raffle, okay, so just get that straight.
[08:42.000 --> 08:47.120]  Raffles are very specific types of contests.
[08:47.120 --> 08:49.600]  Raffles are a giveaway of cash, not items.
[08:49.600 --> 08:52.240]  They're highly regulated by the federal government.
[08:52.240 --> 08:58.320]  It's usually for a specific amount of cash and there are tickets and ticket numbers etc.
[08:58.320 --> 09:04.800]  Only non-profit entities like 501c3 corporations can hold raffles and government entities and
[09:04.800 --> 09:05.800]  things like that.
[09:05.800 --> 09:06.800]  So this is not a raffle.
[09:06.800 --> 09:12.840]  This is a giveaway and you will be qualified to have your name put in the drawing for this
[09:12.840 --> 09:15.440]  giveaway for every $20 donation.
[09:15.440 --> 09:17.320]  It is a screening deal.
[09:17.320 --> 09:19.280]  We are in the midst of this fundraiser right now.
[09:19.280 --> 09:22.280]  We're trying to raise $7,000 by the end of January.
[09:22.280 --> 09:24.000]  Folks, that's just bare bones.
[09:24.000 --> 09:29.800]  What I really need is $10,000 and we are actually going to be extending the course of the fundraiser
[09:29.800 --> 09:35.320]  to the end of February to include as many people as possible to have their names placed
[09:35.320 --> 09:37.960]  in the drawing for the Rock River AR-15.
[09:37.960 --> 09:42.440]  So just wanted to run that past the listeners.
[09:42.440 --> 09:47.160]  We announced this giveaway of the Rock River AR-15 on January 10th.
[09:47.160 --> 09:50.080]  Now a lot of folks have donated prior to that.
[09:50.080 --> 09:54.320]  I had a discussion with some of the other individuals that are helping me organize this
[09:54.320 --> 10:01.320]  and what we came up with to try to be fair to everyone is that if you donated prior to
[10:01.320 --> 10:07.200]  January 10th, at least $20, no matter what the amount is, we will put your name in the
[10:07.200 --> 10:08.200]  hat one time.
[10:08.200 --> 10:15.920]  I'm sorry, there's no way to retroactively go back and calculate multiple times for
[10:15.920 --> 10:19.560]  your name to be put in the hat like say if you donated $100, we're not going to be able
[10:19.560 --> 10:24.480]  to go back and retroactively calculate, okay, your name will go into the hat five times
[10:24.480 --> 10:27.360]  if you donated a month and a half ago $100.
[10:27.360 --> 10:32.600]  We just can't do that because it's just too much work from an administrative perspective
[10:32.600 --> 10:36.240]  and honestly the contest started on January 10th.
[10:36.240 --> 10:40.960]  But we are trying to be considerate of the listeners who donated prior to that.
[10:40.960 --> 10:47.080]  Now it's been very difficult for me to keep track of people who have been sending in donations
[10:47.080 --> 10:48.240]  by the mail.
[10:48.240 --> 10:52.440]  So if you're out there listening and you mailed me something, if you could please send me
[10:52.440 --> 10:57.480]  an e-mail so that I can put your name into the hat because I have a stack of envelopes
[10:57.480 --> 11:01.600]  here of people that mail me something but some of them may have gotten lost after I cashed
[11:01.600 --> 11:02.600]  the checks or whatever.
[11:02.600 --> 11:05.560]  So please remind me if you sent me something in the mail.
[11:05.560 --> 11:08.880]  Otherwise if you donated through the chip-in, you automatically go in.
[11:08.880 --> 11:14.680]  Now I wanted to read this little anecdote here before we get into the interview with
[11:14.680 --> 11:21.760]  our guests because I think it lays the groundwork for just how ridiculous these regulations
[11:21.760 --> 11:25.280]  can be in all kinds of situations.
[11:25.280 --> 11:26.280]  Here's the e-mail.
[11:26.280 --> 11:30.640]  I have permission from the listener who donated the DVD drives.
[11:30.640 --> 11:35.040]  And I mailed, I sent him an e-mail a few days ago saying, hey, you know, did you send
[11:35.040 --> 11:36.040]  them yet?
[11:36.040 --> 11:38.760]  Have they come in the mail because there's people that are wanting them, blah, blah,
[11:38.760 --> 11:44.760]  and so he writes me back and he tells me what his experience was at the post office when
[11:44.760 --> 11:46.840]  he mailed these DVDs.
[11:46.840 --> 11:48.960]  You guys and gals are going to love this.
[11:48.960 --> 11:51.880]  He writes to me, they're in the mail.
[11:51.880 --> 11:55.160]  I stuffed as many as I could into one box.
[11:55.160 --> 11:56.840]  There's at least a dozen.
[11:56.840 --> 12:03.520]  The box I packed them in was an AutoZone 10W30 motor oil box.
[12:03.520 --> 12:08.680]  You would have thought I was walking into the post office with a crate of live cobras
[12:08.680 --> 12:10.280]  hissing at people.
[12:10.280 --> 12:15.360]  The mail people got all excited and started asking if there was motor oil in my box.
[12:15.360 --> 12:19.080]  I said, no, not satisfied.
[12:19.080 --> 12:21.760]  A mailman asked me, are you sure?
[12:21.760 --> 12:23.840]  I said, of course I'm sure.
[12:23.840 --> 12:25.600]  I packed it myself.
[12:25.600 --> 12:31.040]  He continued, we just have to ask because shipping containers cannot have labeling like
[12:31.040 --> 12:33.960]  motor oil, Jack Daniels, ROM.
[12:33.960 --> 12:38.000]  I interrupted and said, so basically what you're saying, and no, I'm sorry.
[12:38.000 --> 12:43.480]  So what you're saying is basically all the life essentials.
[12:43.480 --> 12:46.560]  I was kidding, but he thought I was serious.
[12:46.560 --> 12:50.600]  No, sir, that's not what I'm saying.
[12:50.600 --> 12:55.520]  What I'm saying is that the actual writing on the box can't have those descriptions written
[12:55.520 --> 12:57.880]  on the box.
[12:57.880 --> 13:00.920]  And then the listener says, okay, I see what you mean.
[13:00.920 --> 13:06.520]  I said, reaching for my iPhone, the other clerk stepped to the back somewhere.
[13:06.520 --> 13:10.920]  He asked if I wanted to buy a box to put my box into.
[13:10.920 --> 13:14.760]  I agreed while still doing a quick lookup on my phone.
[13:14.760 --> 13:19.920]  Orlando Yellow Pages revealed that there were three Jack Daniels between Orlando, Sanford,
[13:19.920 --> 13:21.440]  and Melbourne, Florida.
[13:21.440 --> 13:27.560]  When the mailman returned, I asked, how do the three Jack Daniels in Orlando get or send
[13:27.560 --> 13:33.640]  packages if they have to write their name on boxes which is prohibited by the post office
[13:33.640 --> 13:35.160]  for shipping purposes?
[13:35.160 --> 13:41.120]  The three people behind me just started laughing their butts off at the perplexed look on the
[13:41.120 --> 13:42.720]  mailman's face.
[13:42.720 --> 13:47.520]  He just looked at me and said, I don't know.
[13:47.520 --> 13:48.800]  That was a whole lot of fun.
[13:48.800 --> 13:51.240]  Anyway, your tracking number is blah, blah, blah.
[13:51.240 --> 13:55.400]  Okay, so good question, good point.
[13:55.400 --> 14:01.120]  And it brought up the point, well, what if the Rock River Company had to send or receive
[14:01.120 --> 14:07.240]  a package through the mail that wasn't necessarily containing firearms or ammo or something like
[14:07.240 --> 14:08.240]  this?
[14:08.240 --> 14:14.640]  I mean, or Pensoil, the Pensoil Company, I mean, I'm sure they need to order office supplies
[14:14.640 --> 14:16.320]  once in a while or whatever.
[14:16.320 --> 14:22.160]  Are they not allowed to send or receive packages with their company name on it?
[14:22.160 --> 14:24.920]  Because that's just not allowed with the U.S. post office.
[14:24.920 --> 14:28.320]  So very interesting email, very interesting story there.
[14:28.320 --> 14:35.120]  So that gives you a little idea of the wit of our listeners, I'm very impressed.
[14:35.120 --> 14:40.440]  So anyways, with no further ado, I've used up almost the whole segment with the stories,
[14:40.440 --> 14:46.520]  but we've got Larry Weist on the line and Chris Hall from Zombie Killers, ammo and guns.
[14:46.520 --> 14:48.960]  Thank you gentlemen for joining us tonight.
[14:48.960 --> 14:49.960]  My pleasure.
[14:49.960 --> 14:50.960]  Thank you Deborah.
[14:50.960 --> 14:56.360]  Hey, I just want to clarify something from last week's show.
[14:56.360 --> 15:01.240]  We had originally intended, and there's a change here, intended to call the show Gun
[15:01.240 --> 15:08.640]  Control-Wive, but I got to thinking about it and thinking about future guests and it
[15:08.640 --> 15:14.920]  could be a deterrent to people that I would like to get on as guests in the future.
[15:14.920 --> 15:20.440]  So I did a little searching and I decided we're going to call, the show is going to
[15:20.440 --> 15:23.440]  be called God and Guns.
[15:23.440 --> 15:26.120]  God and Guns, that's going to be the name of the show.
[15:26.120 --> 15:31.680]  So that's what's going to be on Saturday, this coming Saturday from one to three.
[15:31.680 --> 15:38.280]  So I just wanted to let everybody know about that change, but we got Chris Hall on here
[15:38.280 --> 15:47.320]  and he's wanting to talk about some gun laws specifically to do with the Bureau of Alcohol,
[15:47.320 --> 15:52.760]  Tobacco and Firearms and explosives now, or the Bureau of Criminals.
[15:52.760 --> 15:58.360]  So actually, we're going to go to Chris now and let him talk about what he wanted to talk
[15:58.360 --> 15:59.360]  about on that.
[15:59.360 --> 16:05.200]  Well, like you're talking about on the shipping, I can't ship anything that has the full name
[16:05.200 --> 16:06.200]  of my company.
[16:06.200 --> 16:13.360]  Everything that comes out of here has to be the acronym of ZKAG and handguns have to
[16:13.360 --> 16:15.600]  be shipped second day air.
[16:15.600 --> 16:16.600]  It's a real nightmare.
[16:16.600 --> 16:23.480]  We can't go through the post office, we have to use the regular land lines, FedEx and stuff
[16:23.480 --> 16:24.480]  like that.
[16:24.480 --> 16:29.720]  But the thing that the whole background checks that they're asking us to do right now, there's
[16:29.720 --> 16:34.560]  been a rule out there for years that we can do any background checks for private sale
[16:34.560 --> 16:36.120]  that they'd like us to do.
[16:36.120 --> 16:39.080]  The problem is we have to take control of that weapon.
[16:39.080 --> 16:43.640]  So if somebody comes in and says, hey, I'd like to sell this gun to so-and-so, I can
[16:43.640 --> 16:45.320]  do the background check on so-and-so.
[16:45.320 --> 16:46.320]  That's no problem.
[16:46.320 --> 16:48.840]  Wait a minute, Chris, we're heading to break right now.
[16:48.840 --> 16:50.520]  Let's finish this up on the other side.
[16:50.520 --> 16:55.560]  We're talking about the background checks that these federal firearms dealers have to
[16:55.560 --> 16:57.560]  insist upon with their clientele.
[16:57.560 --> 16:58.560]  We'll be right back.
[16:58.560 --> 17:24.320]  Let's go.
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[19:19.960 --> 19:48.960]  Okay, folks.
[19:48.960 --> 19:49.960]  We are back.
[19:49.960 --> 19:57.460]  We are here with Mr. Chris Hall, the owner of Zombie Killers, Ammo, and Guns.
[19:57.460 --> 20:05.460]  He's a federal firearms license dealer and he is the man with the plan.
[20:05.460 --> 20:12.460]  He is donating the Rock River AR-15 to the Logos Radio Network because he supports our message and our mission.
[20:12.460 --> 20:16.460]  And he wants to get firearms into as many people's hands as possible.
[20:16.460 --> 20:17.460]  I love it.
[20:17.460 --> 20:22.460]  So, Chris, you were talking about the background check situation.
[20:22.460 --> 20:26.460]  So, if you could just back up a little bit and just start over for us, please.
[20:26.460 --> 20:27.460]  Sure.
[20:27.460 --> 20:33.460]  The ATF has asked us to do background checks on any private sales, anybody who wants us to do a background check on.
[20:33.460 --> 20:35.460]  And there's no problem.
[20:35.460 --> 20:37.460]  I mean, I would do them absolutely for free.
[20:37.460 --> 20:38.460]  You know, no big deal.
[20:38.460 --> 20:42.460]  You come in and say, hey, you know, so-and-so needs this check.
[20:42.460 --> 20:43.460]  I'd do it.
[20:43.460 --> 20:45.460]  It wouldn't cost nothing.
[20:45.460 --> 20:54.460]  Now, unfortunately, the rules are I have to take a possession of that weapon, put it into my bound book as property here,
[20:54.460 --> 20:58.460]  and then say that I sold it to the other gentleman.
[20:58.460 --> 21:01.460]  And that shouldn't be how it goes.
[21:01.460 --> 21:04.460]  The whole point of a private sale is that it's private.
[21:04.460 --> 21:09.460]  And what that does is that puts that information into my records.
[21:09.460 --> 21:17.460]  And if the ATF finds that weapon somewhere, they come and call me, you know, asking for the transfer on it.
[21:17.460 --> 21:20.460]  You know, that's the whole thing is I have no problem doing background checks.
[21:20.460 --> 21:22.460]  I'd do a background check on anybody who wants one.
[21:22.460 --> 21:26.460]  But there's no reason for there to be a record of that transaction.
[21:26.460 --> 21:27.460]  Thank you.
[21:27.460 --> 21:33.460]  So, they force you to misrepresent the truth of the sale?
[21:33.460 --> 21:36.460]  No, they make me take possession of the weapon.
[21:36.460 --> 21:44.460]  So, basically, what I'm saying is when somebody comes into my shop, the money changes hands between the two clients.
[21:44.460 --> 21:49.460]  But I have to represent that the weapon was in this building.
[21:49.460 --> 21:51.460]  Okay, let me ask you a question.
[21:51.460 --> 21:58.460]  So, you're saying that people actually come into your shop who are going to do a private sale,
[21:58.460 --> 22:05.460]  and they ask you to do the next check on the person they're selling it to or giving it to?
[22:05.460 --> 22:06.460]  Is that what I'm hearing?
[22:06.460 --> 22:07.460]  They can?
[22:07.460 --> 22:08.460]  They can.
[22:08.460 --> 22:11.460]  Or is people actually doing that?
[22:11.460 --> 22:13.460]  I've never had anybody do it.
[22:13.460 --> 22:19.460]  No, I don't understand why there has to be a background check for a private sale anyway.
[22:19.460 --> 22:20.460]  There doesn't.
[22:20.460 --> 22:27.460]  But the new regulations through the executive order that they're asking for is to close the supposed gun show loophole.
[22:27.460 --> 22:34.460]  There's no such thing as a gun show loophole because everybody that has a table at a gun show typically is an FFL.
[22:34.460 --> 22:37.460]  If they're selling guns, they're more than likely an FFL.
[22:37.460 --> 22:41.460]  The point is they're trying to get the registration.
[22:41.460 --> 22:45.460]  They want to know where that weapon is, and there's no reason for that.
[22:45.460 --> 22:52.460]  Now, when you sell a private or when you sell a firearm and you do the next check,
[22:52.460 --> 22:55.460]  you fill out the, what's it, the form 4403?
[22:55.460 --> 22:57.460]  Is that what it is?
[22:57.460 --> 22:58.460]  4473.
[22:58.460 --> 22:59.460]  Yes.
[22:59.460 --> 23:00.460]  4473, yeah.
[23:00.460 --> 23:02.460]  Okay, when you fill that out.
[23:02.460 --> 23:11.460]  Now, you keep a copy of that for your records, and does the ATF actually come in and pick up copies of that?
[23:11.460 --> 23:12.460]  No.
[23:12.460 --> 23:15.460]  I hold that record for 20 years.
[23:15.460 --> 23:21.460]  The only thing that they have is they have that transfer number that usually gets put on after the guest leaves.
[23:21.460 --> 23:25.460]  I write the number that I've been given from Nix.
[23:25.460 --> 23:28.460]  And Nix isn't supposed to maintain those records longer than 30 days.
[23:28.460 --> 23:30.460]  That's federal law.
[23:30.460 --> 23:36.460]  But they certainly know who has sold that weapon because I've had to do traces before.
[23:36.460 --> 23:38.460]  Okay, so there it is.
[23:38.460 --> 23:48.460]  But you have not had the bureau come in there and actually grab your paperwork that you filled out and you keep on record for 20 years.
[23:48.460 --> 23:55.460]  They haven't been to you yet to grab that paperwork to see who you've sold the weapons to yet.
[23:55.460 --> 24:00.460]  Well, so they're not allowed to have my book. They have to come with a specific request.
[24:00.460 --> 24:07.460]  So they would say I have, for example, a Glock serial number, blah, blah, blah, sold on this date.
[24:07.460 --> 24:16.460]  And I go to my records, I dig it up based on that serial number, and then I have 24 hours to fax that information to the ATF.
[24:16.460 --> 24:17.460]  Okay.
[24:17.460 --> 24:19.460]  So that's what it is currently under law.
[24:19.460 --> 24:33.460]  Now, have you, I mean, well, I guess they're not, because it sounds like what's happening across the country is they're actually going in threatening gun dealers now and saying,
[24:33.460 --> 24:41.460]  you're going to do this, you're going to do that, or we're going to crack down on you and make it impossible for you to do business as an SSL dealer.
[24:41.460 --> 24:46.460]  Have you heard of that happening or is that a possibility happening to you?
[24:46.460 --> 24:53.460]  That was the whole thing with the Fast and Furious in Arizona.
[24:53.460 --> 25:01.460]  They came up there and said, look, you're going to make these sales. You're going to need to buy these specific weapons and have these in stock.
[25:01.460 --> 25:10.460]  And then when we do the background checks, the background check is going to come through as proceed instead of a delay or a denied, even if that person is a felon.
[25:10.460 --> 25:19.460]  And, you know, that was the big deal there. They went through and tried to shut down two of those places, and they were trying to blame them for it.
[25:19.460 --> 25:34.460]  So I didn't stop it was that one of the owners there had an actual recording of the conversation with the ATF officer.
[25:34.460 --> 25:46.460]  Right. Yeah, I remember that being in the news. And of course, nothing's happening to the criminals who've done that so far, which is our tyrant in the White House.
[25:46.460 --> 25:53.460]  So I want to switch directions here a little bit first.
[25:53.460 --> 26:08.460]  When you do these background checks and if you get a denial, is the assumption always that the person is a felon and the person cannot buy a gun because they're a felon?
[26:08.460 --> 26:22.460]  Well, in the shop, it's supposed to stop everything. And what I'm supposed to do is hand them a brochure that's been published by the ATF, and I handwrite the reference number from the NICS background check.
[26:22.460 --> 26:29.460]  And then they have to contact NICS and go, what was this about? What do I need to do to fix it? What's going on?
[26:29.460 --> 26:38.460]  Because a lot of times, if you don't put your social security number on there, which is actually an optional feature, then they could get you confused with somebody else.
[26:38.460 --> 26:42.460]  For example, my name. My name is this extremely simple Chris Hall.
[26:42.460 --> 26:54.460]  I've been denied several times. And it's funny because now that I have my FFL, I don't even have to do paperwork. But at the time, oh, it was, you know, I would have a three-day wait almost every time.
[26:54.460 --> 27:03.460]  Now, does the concealed carry holder, the CHL license concealed carry holder, do they have to do the background check?
[27:03.460 --> 27:12.460]  It depends on your state. Here in Texas, no. We still do the paperwork based on a transfer that has the serial number and blah, blah, blah.
[27:12.460 --> 27:18.460]  And I just take a copy of your concealed carry license and put it in the file.
[27:18.460 --> 27:29.460]  Okay. So, okay, now you live in Corpus Christi, so you're close to the border, very close. So I would imagine a lot of customers are Hispanic.
[27:29.460 --> 27:43.460]  So you have, because this was a question last week about whether you had to be a U.S. citizen to actually purchase a gun, quote, legally in this country.
[27:43.460 --> 27:54.460]  Now, what process is done if somebody walks in and they just say, and they declare on their paperwork, I'm a U.S. citizen, and maybe they're not really a U.S. citizen,
[27:54.460 --> 28:00.460]  what checks are in place to ensure that that person is actually a U.S. citizen?
[28:00.460 --> 28:10.460]  Well, it starts off with the identification that I get. And then, as a matter of fact, I've done several sales that had a TWIC card, a passport,
[28:10.460 --> 28:17.460]  and they were originally born in another country. And when they went to the ATF, it was the full delay.
[28:17.460 --> 28:29.460]  It took the entire 72 hours. And, you know, after 72 hours, I'm allowed to do a transfer, whether I get a deny or a proceed after the time.
[28:29.460 --> 28:37.460]  That's one of the advantages of the law. Now, you go to one of the larger retailers, they won't, if they get a delay, sales over.
[28:37.460 --> 28:45.460]  They're not even going to mess with you because they can go and sell that weapon 10 times over in that 72-hour period.
[28:45.460 --> 28:57.460]  Oh, so basically, the law is set up so that if there's a denial or a 72-hour hold after 72 hours, whether it's denied or proceed,
[28:57.460 --> 29:06.460]  the dealer can actually sell the weapon. And if it comes back later, denied, what happens after that?
[29:06.460 --> 29:18.460]  It's never happened, so I don't know. I have gotten a proceed nearly a week later, but the thing that I've noticed is they'll give you a countdown.
[29:18.460 --> 29:25.460]  You go to your NIC site, you've got a running list of your checks that you've done, and they keep a date on there.
[29:25.460 --> 29:36.460]  So it's 72 hours of business days. So if they're like going Christmas when we had all the holidays, and those things were an absolutely spotless clean record,
[29:36.460 --> 29:42.460]  if I got a delay, it was five, six days before those three business days had gone by.
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[32:31.460 --> 32:47.460]  Okay, we are here with our newest sponsor, Chris Hall, the owner of Zombie Killers Guns and Ammo in Corpus Christi, Texas.
[32:47.460 --> 33:00.460]  He is the man with the plan. He is giving away the Rock River AR-15 and right as we were going away to break, we were discussing the issue of these background checks.
[33:00.460 --> 33:09.460]  Chris, you were saying that a lot of times, like if somebody has a very simple name or a common name, like you're saying your name, Chris Hall.
[33:09.460 --> 33:14.460]  You had been denied plenty of times before you got your FFL.
[33:14.460 --> 33:23.460]  You were saying that, well, if somebody gets the delay, then they have a few options. You could just wait it out.
[33:23.460 --> 33:30.460]  If you know for sure that you don't have any issues, you've never been arrested, you don't have any C in Texas,
[33:30.460 --> 33:38.460]  you can be denied if you have a misdemeanor domestic violence or domestic disturbance conviction, even a misdemeanor.
[33:38.460 --> 33:41.460]  If it's domestic disturbance, you're out.
[33:41.460 --> 33:48.460]  And if it's felon, you're out until after you've served your time, as Larry was talking about, these sorts of things.
[33:48.460 --> 33:57.460]  That's a state law, though, at any rate. If you get the delay, one option for people is just, if you don't want to give them your Social Security number,
[33:57.460 --> 34:05.460]  just wait a few days, unless you need the gun right now because you're going out of town on a sporting event or something.
[34:05.460 --> 34:07.460]  You don't have to give the Social Security number.
[34:07.460 --> 34:14.460]  But, Chris, say somebody just really needs the gun right now because they're on the way. They've got a skeet chute coming up.
[34:14.460 --> 34:21.460]  They have to leave town. They've got an important competition the next day or over the weekend, and they really need the gun.
[34:21.460 --> 34:26.460]  At that point, can they give you their Social Security number?
[34:26.460 --> 34:33.460]  You're saying that they have to contact the NICS people themselves and give them the Social Security number to try to work it out.
[34:33.460 --> 34:39.460]  And if they can work it out with them, then you wouldn't have to wait the full three days. Is that the way it works?
[34:39.460 --> 34:47.460]  Yes. As long as their business hour is open, if you can fix whatever it is, say you've got an adjudicated felony on your record.
[34:47.460 --> 34:53.460]  And what happens is the NICS operator is looking through there and sees that, you know, you've got this felony.
[34:53.460 --> 34:59.460]  They don't even bother reading to the end of it to see that it was adjudicated. They just go, oh, felony done, and you're done.
[34:59.460 --> 35:04.460]  But if you contact them and go, wait a minute, that was dismissed. I never did any time.
[35:04.460 --> 35:13.460]  You know, I had some probation. It was done. It was thrown out. Then, yeah, they can give me a phone call or they shoot me an email that says, oh, no, we made a mistake.
[35:13.460 --> 35:20.460]  It's OK. Then I can call that client up and say, yeah, here we go. We can do this transfer.
[35:20.460 --> 35:25.460]  The main problem is that you're waiting for business hours on that kind of stuff.
[35:25.460 --> 35:31.460]  Because if you have to correct it, if you really have to go through the steps to fix it, you have to send in fingerprints.
[35:31.460 --> 35:35.460]  You have to send in picture IDs. You have to go down to the police department.
[35:35.460 --> 35:41.460]  And if you've got a felony and you come to try to buy a gun and it's a really a felony, I'm supposed to call the police.
[35:41.460 --> 35:47.460]  Now, that's just for a denial. That's not for a delay. If it comes back that says delay.
[35:47.460 --> 35:48.460]  Right.
[35:48.460 --> 36:00.460]  OK, but if it comes back the first time around and it says delay, then the person or the potential customer could either try to fix it within the three days
[36:00.460 --> 36:09.460]  or they could just wait it out. And if there's no denial from the ATF within the three days, then they're good to go.
[36:09.460 --> 36:10.460]  They can purchase the fire.
[36:10.460 --> 36:11.460]  Yes.
[36:11.460 --> 36:17.460]  And you were saying on the break that a lot of these, actually you said on the air too, a lot of these major, you know,
[36:17.460 --> 36:22.460]  maybe large-scale gun dealers, if there's a delay, the transaction's over.
[36:22.460 --> 36:25.460]  They don't want to deal with it. They're not going to wait three days because they can just sell the gun.
[36:25.460 --> 36:36.460]  But this is something that is an advantage to dealing with a smaller business like yourself. You'll wait for them.
[36:36.460 --> 36:45.460]  Yeah. Yeah, especially if it's an order. Because handguns are shipped in two days, if that's at my vendor or my wholesaler and I order it,
[36:45.460 --> 36:53.460]  I can have it in hand in 72 hours. So it just depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
[36:53.460 --> 37:02.460]  And like you were saying about a competition shooter or something that has a weapon that they need to get a weapon for a competition or something,
[37:02.460 --> 37:10.460]  there's actually places that can rent a weapon to someone. You know, you have to do the same type of a transfer,
[37:10.460 --> 37:14.460]  but it can be rented and then whoever uses it can use it.
[37:14.460 --> 37:17.460]  Okay. Let me ask you something else here.
[37:17.460 --> 37:26.460]  Concerning this background check, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've always considered that that's kind of a misnomer.
[37:26.460 --> 37:30.460]  People are like, oh, no, I don't want to do a background check. I'm not going to buy from an FFL.
[37:30.460 --> 37:35.460]  You know, I'm going to do private sale because I'm not going to go through a background check.
[37:35.460 --> 37:40.460]  And I think this is being confirmed to me. The way I understand this, this is not really a background check.
[37:40.460 --> 37:49.460]  It's just the next system is that all you have to do is give your name and address and really all they're checking is your name,
[37:49.460 --> 37:55.460]  just to see if your name is in a list. And if it's not, you're good to go.
[37:55.460 --> 38:02.460]  It's not really a background check as far as like pulling up your history or something. Is that correct?
[38:02.460 --> 38:06.460]  No, it's quite a bit more than that.
[38:06.460 --> 38:10.460]  The problem is if you don't use your social security number, you...
[38:10.460 --> 38:12.460]  Whoa, what was that?
[38:12.460 --> 38:14.460]  I was going to go ahead.
[38:14.460 --> 38:24.460]  If you get the wrong recognition of your name, you can get some really bad complications there because, you know, for example,
[38:24.460 --> 38:32.460]  say it's a violent drug offense and you have it denied based on a confusion of your name,
[38:32.460 --> 38:37.460]  there will be police meeting you at the store. They will... I'm supposed to come and say,
[38:37.460 --> 38:43.460]  oh, hey, it's no problem. We're just waiting on it and keep you entertained until the police arrive to take you on the,
[38:43.460 --> 38:49.460]  no, take your trip downtown. So you don't want to get the confusion too bad.
[38:49.460 --> 38:56.460]  But what I'm saying is that they're not really running a background check on you specifically.
[38:56.460 --> 39:07.460]  I mean, especially if you don't give your social security number, there's no way they can run a background check on you specifically.
[39:07.460 --> 39:13.460]  You have to give your driver's license number or your state ID. You have to give that.
[39:13.460 --> 39:21.460]  Yeah, I have to take a copy of that. They also have to have your birthplace, your date of birth, your physical description,
[39:21.460 --> 39:30.460]  your life with, you know, car and stuff like that. Instead of a driver's license, I should be able to use my state ID.
[39:30.460 --> 39:34.460]  Correct. Good.
[39:34.460 --> 39:39.460]  Yeah, there's no problem. And you were asking about getting an FFL because that's another thing.
[39:39.460 --> 39:46.460]  I got my FFL because I can buy weapons a lot cheaper with my FFL through wholesalers and stuff like that.
[39:46.460 --> 39:52.460]  And it's not a whole lot more complicated than just purchasing a weapon.
[39:52.460 --> 39:59.460]  The main problem is that it takes about three months to go through the ATF and the FBI to do the background check,
[39:59.460 --> 40:05.460]  where they're really wanting to know what states you've been in, where you've lived in the last seven years.
[40:05.460 --> 40:09.460]  If there's, you know, there's possible aliases under your name.
[40:09.460 --> 40:14.460]  I mean, it gets a little more detailed, but it's not, if you can own a gun, you can have an FFL.
[40:14.460 --> 40:19.460]  Well, well, Chris, you said that they only want to know where you lived in the last seven years.
[40:19.460 --> 40:21.460]  Yes.
[40:21.460 --> 40:26.460]  Only in the last seven years? I mean, why is it only the last seven years?
[40:26.460 --> 40:34.460]  I mean, if you're going to become a federal firearms license dealer, why wouldn't it be where you've lived ever?
[40:34.460 --> 40:41.460]  Because typically if you've caught a felony charge, it's going to be tied to your identification.
[40:41.460 --> 40:47.460]  If you're just caught misdemeanor charges, they're more tied.
[40:47.460 --> 40:50.460]  They are tied to it, but it's not that important.
[40:50.460 --> 40:58.460]  It's actually easier to get a federal firearms license than it is to get the state-concealed handgun license.
[40:58.460 --> 41:05.460]  The state-concealed handgun license wants to know every arrest you've ever had in your life.
[41:05.460 --> 41:14.460]  So if you're a federal firearms license dealer, can you carry concealed without the license, without the CHL?
[41:14.460 --> 41:15.460]  No.
[41:15.460 --> 41:17.460]  No, you can't. Okay.
[41:17.460 --> 41:21.460]  No, but there is a law in Texas that most people don't know about.
[41:21.460 --> 41:27.460]  It's the 1986 Motorist Protection Act, and that allows you to carry a locked and loaded firearm in your car,
[41:27.460 --> 41:30.460]  and it just has to be concealed in your vehicle.
[41:30.460 --> 41:35.460]  Now, I wouldn't put it in the console or the glove box because police react badly when they see a gun fall out
[41:35.460 --> 41:39.460]  when you're trying to hand them your insurance information.
[41:39.460 --> 41:46.460]  But you are legally allowed to do it as long as you're not committing a crime over a misdemeanor, which is a traffic violation.
[41:46.460 --> 41:48.460]  Okay. Let me ask you one other question.
[41:48.460 --> 41:50.460]  I want to back up for a second on the felony.
[41:50.460 --> 41:55.460]  When you're talking about a person coming in, if they try to purchase a gun and they have a felony,
[41:55.460 --> 42:00.460]  you're supposed to basically delay them until the cops get there.
[42:00.460 --> 42:12.460]  Now, Obama was claiming that 3 million people have been, they have prevented 3 million people who shouldn't have had a gun from getting a gun
[42:12.460 --> 42:17.460]  since the NICS check system has been implemented.
[42:17.460 --> 42:19.460]  20 years.
[42:19.460 --> 42:20.460]  Pardon me?
[42:20.460 --> 42:22.460]  That's over 20 years.
[42:22.460 --> 42:30.460]  3 million people in over 20 years, and we sold 2.7 million background checks just in December alone.
[42:30.460 --> 42:36.460]  Okay, but if they did not 3 million, now, just because there was a denial,
[42:36.460 --> 42:40.460]  do they count that denial as, oh, we stopped somebody?
[42:40.460 --> 42:41.460]  Yes.
[42:41.460 --> 42:46.460]  Or do they go back and check to find out if there was a, like, your name, Chris Hall,
[42:46.460 --> 42:50.460]  or if somebody's name is John Smith or their last name is Washington.
[42:50.460 --> 42:58.460]  These common names, there could be lots of people with that name and the person could clear it up over the next month or so.
[42:58.460 --> 43:03.460]  Does that go, do they account that back into their records of people that they've denied?
[43:03.460 --> 43:09.460]  How many times do actual felons go in and legally try to buy a gun?
[43:09.460 --> 43:13.460]  If I had a guess, I would probably say almost never.
[43:13.460 --> 43:20.460]  I've talked to several people and they say, well, you know, I might have a warrant, I don't want to take that chance.
[43:20.460 --> 43:23.460]  So they just, you know, they won't even buy a gun based on that.
[43:23.460 --> 43:27.460]  I've been arrested for a traffic violation trying to purchase a weapon before.
[43:27.460 --> 43:32.460]  So, I mean, it happens, it just depends on the county you're in.
[43:32.460 --> 43:34.460]  All right, well, listen, we're heading to break.
[43:34.460 --> 43:36.460]  We're going to talk about this some more on the other side.
[43:36.460 --> 43:42.460]  Would you like to open the phone lines, Chris, for some folks to call and ask questions?
[43:42.460 --> 43:43.460]  All right, great.
[43:43.460 --> 43:49.460]  Listeners, if you'd like to call in and ask Chris Hall a question, 512-646-1984.
[43:49.460 --> 43:55.460]  We are opening up the phone lines, zombie killers, ammo and guns out of Corpus Christi, Texas.
[43:55.460 --> 43:56.460]  We'll be right back.
[44:01.460 --> 44:02.460]  The Oakland City Bombing.
[44:02.460 --> 44:05.460]  Top 10 reasons to question the official story.
[44:05.460 --> 44:08.460]  Reason number two, why was the ATF AWOL?
[44:08.460 --> 44:13.460]  Paramedic Tiffany Bible, who was on the scene within five minutes, has stated in an affidavit
[44:13.460 --> 44:19.460]  that agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms told her that they were not in the office that morning.
[44:19.460 --> 44:22.460]  E&T Catherine Mallet also overheard one agent say to another,
[44:22.460 --> 44:26.460]  close, is that why we got the page to not come in today, end quote.
[44:26.460 --> 44:33.460]  Bruce Shaw, as interviewed on KFL or TV, was also told by ATF agents that they had been paged to not come into work.
[44:33.460 --> 44:39.460]  The ATF initially denied these claims, and now variously claim that one of their agents was in a free-falling elevator
[44:39.460 --> 44:45.460]  which has been disproven, or that they had been in an all night stick out, or that they had been in a golf tournament.
[44:45.460 --> 44:50.460]  As they try to sort out their lies, all we want to know is, did the ATF receive a warning,
[44:50.460 --> 44:54.460]  and if so, why did they not pass it on to others in the mortals?
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[46:51.460 --> 47:04.460]  Okay, so we are back, folks. We're here with Chris Hall on the rule of law radio show.
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[47:09.460 --> 47:17.460]  get your spot in line. Get your name put in the hat for the giveaway of the AR-15,
[47:17.460 --> 47:22.460]  and you will have to do this quote-unquote background check just to get back to that a little bit.
[47:22.460 --> 47:29.460]  We were talking before the break about Obama grandstanding about the 3 million people,
[47:29.460 --> 47:35.460]  or however many it is, prevented from getting guns that we shouldn't have had
[47:35.460 --> 47:40.460]  through this NIC system, and really, as we were discussing before the break,
[47:40.460 --> 47:43.460]  probably almost all of those are just a case of mistaken identity,
[47:43.460 --> 47:50.460]  because almost never, as Chris is saying, do convicted felons,
[47:50.460 --> 47:55.460]  or people who charge with a felony, et cetera, non-adjudicated felons,
[47:55.460 --> 47:59.460]  whatever the case may be, from state to state, almost never do they come in
[47:59.460 --> 48:04.460]  and try to buy a gun from an FFL. I mean, it's ridiculous. Who would? Who would try?
[48:04.460 --> 48:09.460]  Who would try knowing that they are going to get arrested? I mean, it's ridiculous.
[48:09.460 --> 48:14.460]  Anybody that, anytime that happens, it's almost always going to be a case of mistaken identity,
[48:14.460 --> 48:19.460]  which goes back to what I was saying before. I just want to clarify,
[48:19.460 --> 48:24.460]  we talked with Chris over the break about this, so that we make sure we're all in the same page here.
[48:24.460 --> 48:31.460]  Really, it really is not a quote-unquote background check in the true sense of the word,
[48:31.460 --> 48:38.460]  which is you give somebody your personal information, including your social security number, et cetera, et cetera,
[48:38.460 --> 48:45.460]  and then they go into a system where they can pull up all the information on you,
[48:45.460 --> 48:50.460]  like the cops can, like a rap sheet. That's not what this is.
[48:50.460 --> 48:55.460]  It's not a real quote-unquote background check in that sense of the word.
[48:55.460 --> 49:04.460]  Some jobs, some employers require a quote background check, a real one,
[49:04.460 --> 49:09.460]  where you give them all this personal information on you, and then they have access through
[49:09.460 --> 49:13.460]  private detective systems or law enforcement systems, et cetera,
[49:13.460 --> 49:18.460]  because they deal with sensitive data or whatever, or maybe in security or something like that.
[49:18.460 --> 49:24.460]  They look up your rap sheet. They see your personal history. That's not what's going on here.
[49:24.460 --> 49:30.460]  What this is is that you are giving a certain set of information to an FFL dealer,
[49:30.460 --> 49:40.460]  and then they enter that into the NICS system, and the purpose is to see if that information matches what is in the NICS database.
[49:40.460 --> 49:46.460]  It's like mix and match. Does it match? Yes or no? That's what it is.
[49:46.460 --> 49:52.460]  If there is a match for whatever reason, because it's a common name and you didn't give yourself security number,
[49:52.460 --> 49:59.460]  if it's a delay, then as Chris was saying, the routine is you can either wait, wait it out.
[49:59.460 --> 50:04.460]  If you know for sure that you don't have any problems, it's just my name matches somebody else's name.
[50:04.460 --> 50:12.460]  No big deal. Just wait it out. If it's a denial, then if it's a delay, you could also try to fix it through the NICS.
[50:12.460 --> 50:18.460]  You could call up the NICS people and try to fix it. If it's a denial, then you have to go through the FBI to fix it,
[50:18.460 --> 50:26.460]  which I can see how that would be extraordinary, but again, it's not a background check in the sense that I was mentioning it.
[50:26.460 --> 50:33.460]  Personally, I really don't think that people have that much to fear, but obviously all this stuff is being database,
[50:33.460 --> 50:38.460]  and so that's not a good thing either, but I just wanted to clarify that.
[50:38.460 --> 50:41.460]  Now, Larry, you had something you were about to ask Chris.
[50:41.460 --> 50:52.460]  Yeah, I want to bring up one thing, but before I do that, I want to bring up the fact that how accurate is this database that the NICS systems is keeping,
[50:52.460 --> 51:03.460]  because if we're looking at the no fly list that are being built out there by the TSA, there are little kids,
[51:03.460 --> 51:09.460]  little seven-year-old, five-year-old little boys and little girls put on no fly list.
[51:09.460 --> 51:18.460]  Now, if we go by what Rahm Emanuel said a few months back, he said, if you're on that no fly list, you're not going to be allowed to own a gun.
[51:18.460 --> 51:28.460]  So these little boys and little girls that have been put on this no fly list, and nobody knows how to get the list of who's on that no fly list,
[51:28.460 --> 51:32.460]  and nobody knows how to get off of that no fly list.
[51:32.460 --> 51:38.460]  So if these little boys and little girls are being put on these no fly list, they have no way to know how to get off of it.
[51:38.460 --> 51:46.460]  If they add that no fly list to the NICS system in the future, this is what I was talking about last week.
[51:46.460 --> 51:56.460]  The goal is, if they can't disarm the American people through confiscation of the weapons forcefully, they're going to do it through a rule of law,
[51:56.460 --> 52:07.460]  basically through code, and they're going to use statutes and saying that this person can't own a gun, this person can't own a gun,
[52:07.460 --> 52:10.460]  and this goes all the way down to a parking ticket.
[52:10.460 --> 52:17.460]  You're not going to be able to own a gun because you've ever done anything, and everybody's done something.
[52:17.460 --> 52:22.460]  Some states have a much more serious background check.
[52:22.460 --> 52:32.460]  For example, New York, if you have any sort of thing going on, they will definitely come and harass you over you trying to purchase a weapon,
[52:32.460 --> 52:37.460]  but you have to have a permit and you have to have a void card in Chicago and stuff like that.
[52:37.460 --> 52:41.460]  Those are basically the same thing as a concealing carry license here in Texas.
[52:41.460 --> 52:46.460]  That concealing carry license, they go through a serious background check.
[52:46.460 --> 52:52.460]  And those people that have concealed carries, they are in a database.
[52:52.460 --> 53:02.460]  When a police officer pulls them over immediately, that police officer knows that that person has a concealed carry license, correct?
[53:02.460 --> 53:03.460]  Correct.
[53:03.460 --> 53:09.460]  And he will ask you, that will be the first question while his partner on the other side is covering you.
[53:09.460 --> 53:16.460]  You want to turn your lights on, you want to have your hands on the side of the window or on the steering wheel where they can see it,
[53:16.460 --> 53:20.460]  because you do not want any accidents under those kinds of circumstances.
[53:20.460 --> 53:25.460]  Now, see how they're treating those people who have jumped through all the hoops,
[53:25.460 --> 53:35.460]  have did everything that the government required, they gave their entire life history and proved that they're this upstanding citizen.
[53:35.460 --> 53:45.460]  And still, the police treat them like common criminals when they get pulled over because they have a gun in their car and they know they're a concealed carry holder.
[53:45.460 --> 53:46.460]  And that's wrong.
[53:46.460 --> 53:55.460]  That's wrong, I mean.
[53:55.460 --> 54:02.460]  You have a nice conversation with them, but there are some areas where you really don't want to be dealing with that particular officer.
[54:02.460 --> 54:05.460]  It's just wrong.
[54:05.460 --> 54:10.460]  The person has already done everything to prove that they're this, quote, good person.
[54:10.460 --> 54:20.460]  And the police are still, and I'm not on down on all police, but I'm telling you, the police are out there still down on people who are carrying these weapons,
[54:20.460 --> 54:27.460]  quote, lawfully, according to what the government says you have to do to be a lawful carrier of a weapon.
[54:27.460 --> 54:28.460]  Okay.
[54:28.460 --> 54:44.460]  I've been pulled over like going to a gun show or something like that where I had multiple firearms, but I would like to see the reaction when they look in the backseat of my car and I've got 15 AR-15s and 30 handguns just to see the particular reaction I got.
[54:44.460 --> 54:46.460]  But yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
[54:46.460 --> 54:48.460]  It's just not right.
[54:48.460 --> 54:52.460]  But anyway, what I wanted to move on and ask about.
[54:52.460 --> 54:53.460]  Hold on one second.
[54:53.460 --> 54:56.460]  Somebody's making a lot of background noise and stuff.
[54:56.460 --> 54:58.460]  Randy, are you?
[54:58.460 --> 55:00.460]  Sorry, I thought I was muted.
[55:00.460 --> 55:01.460]  Okay.
[55:01.460 --> 55:02.460]  All right.
[55:02.460 --> 55:03.460]  Sorry.
[55:03.460 --> 55:04.460]  It was just getting a little extreme.
[55:04.460 --> 55:05.460]  I was having a hard time here in Chris.
[55:05.460 --> 55:06.460]  Okay.
[55:06.460 --> 55:07.460]  Go ahead, Larry.
[55:07.460 --> 55:08.460]  Okay.
[55:08.460 --> 55:12.460]  Well, now I've been to a gun show at one time several years ago.
[55:12.460 --> 55:20.460]  There was a guy at this gun show and he had several fully automatic weapons on his table for sale.
[55:20.460 --> 55:26.460]  And of course, I think, oh, that's got to be a class three dealer, so I began to talk to him.
[55:26.460 --> 55:28.460]  He said, no, I'm not a class three dealer.
[55:28.460 --> 55:32.460]  I bought all these under my corporate name, under my corporation.
[55:32.460 --> 55:35.460]  And so I knew about that.
[55:35.460 --> 55:46.460]  Now, I've been told that you know something about this, about buying weapons as a corporation versus as an individual citizen.
[55:46.460 --> 55:49.460]  Can you speak to that a little bit?
[55:49.460 --> 55:52.460]  Yeah, I'm actually a type seven firearms dealer.
[55:52.460 --> 55:54.460]  I'm a type seven firearms manufacturer.
[55:54.460 --> 56:00.460]  So I can build guns and I send them into the ATF and get the licensing and stuff for each weapon and the serial number.
[56:00.460 --> 56:11.460]  But we're working on our class three SOT, three license, which that means is I manufacture suppressors and I can do dealer samples for the police.
[56:11.460 --> 56:21.460]  Because I can sell to Department of Homeland Security, the, you know, DOJ, I can sell to PSA, which, you know, we're a large customs area down here.
[56:21.460 --> 56:24.460]  So there's a lot of those kinds of officers.
[56:24.460 --> 56:37.460]  The main point for civilians is when I do the 1986 act, you can't buy a new manufactured fully automatic weapon.
[56:37.460 --> 56:47.460]  But if you have the proper credentials for, you know, like a trust, then you can buy those as part of your corporation.
[56:47.460 --> 56:56.460]  And a trust does have to go through a background check, but that background check is only for that individual that put in the paperwork for the trust.
[56:56.460 --> 57:07.460]  Once they can hand that paperwork to anybody they want and that particular person can go down there and purchase a class three machine gun with a suppressor the whole nine yards,
[57:07.460 --> 57:19.460]  it still has to be kept at a certain location and it removes your fourth amendment right to search for seizure because the ATF can come in anytime they want and check that location for that weapon.
[57:19.460 --> 57:26.460]  But, you know, if that's the type of route you want to go, yeah, you can definitely do that.
[57:26.460 --> 57:42.460]  But if they go, if somebody was to pursue this type of a trust, if it was a quote convicted felon that tried to do this, that person's still going to have to go through the background check because he's the signer of the trust.
[57:42.460 --> 57:45.460]  He's the trustee for the trust, correct?
[57:45.460 --> 57:49.460]  Right, but you can establish the trust to a corporation.
[57:49.460 --> 58:02.460]  So if you were to have a business and you wanted to establish a trust for that particular business, then that business is the one that gets the background check ran on it.
[58:02.460 --> 58:16.460]  Basically, they're checking to make sure that it has seven years of existence and that it's not a, you know, because there's certain felon businesses can receive and seizures and closings and stuff like that.
[58:16.460 --> 58:22.460]  Typically, the best way to do that though is you contact an attorney and you can establish a trust.
[58:22.460 --> 58:26.460]  There will be one person on that trust that's going to have to go through the background check.
[58:26.460 --> 58:34.460]  It takes six to eight months, sometimes a year, and you have to have already a weapon that you've purchased, basically.
[58:34.460 --> 58:42.460]  And then there's the form four for your transfer for your suppressor or short braille rifle for different things, but it all depends on what you're buying.
[58:42.460 --> 58:45.460]  Okay, listen, we are heading to the top of the hour break.
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[01:04:56.460 --> 01:05:00.460]  So, Larry, you had some other questions you wanted to ask Chris.
[01:05:00.460 --> 01:05:09.460]  Oh, yeah. Basically, I wanted to ask about, in all firearms transfers through a FFL dealer,
[01:05:09.460 --> 01:05:16.460]  kind of what we talked about over the break, they're all regulated by federal firearms laws.
[01:05:16.460 --> 01:05:26.460]  Can you explain, go over again what you was telling me about the difference between a purchase as a firearms dealer
[01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:32.460]  and buying it personally and reselling it again as a private person?
[01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:38.460]  Yeah, it's one of the few things that they don't talk about for FFLs. I'm still a person.
[01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:47.460]  So, what I can do is say I get a great deal on several Ruger minis 30s and I want one for my own collection.
[01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:51.460]  So, what I do is in my bound book, I write it down private collection.
[01:05:51.460 --> 01:05:57.460]  And now that weapon goes into my closet away from my weapons that I sell.
[01:05:57.460 --> 01:06:03.460]  If after a year I need some money for something or, you know, my wife wants new jewelry,
[01:06:03.460 --> 01:06:10.460]  she can take that weapon to the gun show and she can sell that weapon after one year with no background check.
[01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:16.460]  And there's another one of those deals that there's a lot of the non-background check sales.
[01:06:16.460 --> 01:06:23.460]  They're not really so much somebody skirting the law as they've already been a background check done.
[01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:28.460]  Now, you're trusting to the judgment of that individual selling the weapon as they're not going to sell it
[01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:35.460]  to somebody who's going to go out and sell it to the cartels and go on a rampage.
[01:06:35.460 --> 01:06:45.460]  Okay, so now let me, basically what we're understanding, like with this gun, we're giving away.
[01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:48.460]  The AR-15, the Rock River AR-15.
[01:06:48.460 --> 01:06:50.460]  That's a great gun too.
[01:06:50.460 --> 01:07:02.460]  Yes, it is. When we give this away to somebody, the person who gets it cannot sell it for at least one year after they receive it.
[01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:04.460]  Correct?
[01:07:04.460 --> 01:07:05.460]  Right.
[01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:11.460]  Because it would be getting a gift and then they would be selling it for a profit,
[01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:16.460]  even though they're a private person, so they're selling it for a profit to get the money for.
[01:07:16.460 --> 01:07:17.460]  Correct.
[01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:21.460]  They're actually, quote, breaking the law right there, correct?
[01:07:21.460 --> 01:07:28.460]  Right. Now, the odds of them enforcing that, the only way that the federal government would enforce that particular regulation
[01:07:28.460 --> 01:07:31.460]  is if they sold it to the wrong person.
[01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:36.460]  That person took that gun and used it in a bank robbery or something and lost the weapon.
[01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:42.460]  Well, then the police grabbed that weapon and they contact Rock River Arms and they say,
[01:07:42.460 --> 01:07:49.460]  hey, I got serial number, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they say, yes, I sold that to zombie killers and they give them my FFL.
[01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:54.460]  Well, then the ATF calls me and they go, hey, Chris, who'd you sell this gun to?
[01:07:54.460 --> 01:08:01.460]  And then I give them the information and then they go to that person's house and they say, where's your gun?
[01:08:01.460 --> 01:08:08.460]  Well, if that person turns around and goes, well, I only had it for a month and I sold it as brand new on the auction site.
[01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:15.460]  Yeah, now there's going to be some problems because they're going to go, well, we ain't got any law that we can get you on,
[01:08:15.460 --> 01:08:19.460]  but we're certainly going to get you on this trafficking without a license law.
[01:08:19.460 --> 01:08:21.460]  And that's 10 years day for day.
[01:08:21.460 --> 01:08:25.460]  So you really don't want to make that particular mistake by selling it to the wrong person.
[01:08:25.460 --> 01:08:26.460]  Correct.
[01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:30.460]  But you can still go to an FFL and say, hey, I've got somebody who wants to buy this weapon.
[01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:32.460]  Can we do a transfer?
[01:08:32.460 --> 01:08:40.460]  And then that's when, you know, if it's within that first year.
[01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:41.460]  Right.
[01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:45.460]  If it's within that first year, after that first year, there's do whatever they want.
[01:08:45.460 --> 01:08:48.460]  It doesn't matter what they do with no issues after that.
[01:08:48.460 --> 01:08:56.460]  They can sell it to somebody and if that person uses it in a bank robbery, all they have to do is say, I sold it to so-and-so and they're done.
[01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:01.460]  And it's been a year, it's been over a year and I'm done.
[01:09:01.460 --> 01:09:02.460]  There's no issues.
[01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:11.460]  There's an issue in Arizona where the number two in charge of the Phoenix office of the ATF purchased a 5.7x28 FNH handgun.
[01:09:11.460 --> 01:09:17.460]  And this is one that the cartels really want because it fires a rifle cartridge and shoots through soft body armor.
[01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:25.460]  Now, I've seen them offer $3,000 to $6,000 for this pistol and my cost is about $1,200.
[01:09:25.460 --> 01:09:29.460]  He sold it on the Internet to somebody that he didn't know.
[01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:34.460]  This is the head of the ATF, the second in charge of the ATF.
[01:09:34.460 --> 01:09:35.460]  I mean, come on.
[01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:43.460]  They found it next to the beauty pageant queen that was using an AK-47 to fight against the federales down there.
[01:09:43.460 --> 01:09:45.460]  They shouldn't be in charge of us.
[01:09:45.460 --> 01:09:47.460]  No, they should.
[01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:49.460]  Well, they're murderers.
[01:09:49.460 --> 01:09:50.460]  The ATF is murderers.
[01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:54.460]  They murdered all those people in Waco and I don't care what anybody says they did.
[01:09:54.460 --> 01:09:55.460]  They murdered them.
[01:09:55.460 --> 01:09:58.460]  They killed every one of them.
[01:09:58.460 --> 01:09:59.460]  Anyway.
[01:09:59.460 --> 01:10:00.460]  Well, wait a minute.
[01:10:00.460 --> 01:10:04.460]  Before you move on to the next topic, Larry, I have a question on this current topic.
[01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:06.460]  So you can't sell it within a year.
[01:10:06.460 --> 01:10:16.460]  Well, could you trade it for another firearm that's of equal value or less because that's not a profit?
[01:10:16.460 --> 01:10:18.460]  You know, I've never seen that come up.
[01:10:18.460 --> 01:10:27.460]  I have seen guests at gun shows go, as they're walking out the door, they'll look at one another and they both have the same weapon.
[01:10:27.460 --> 01:10:29.460]  They'll go, hey, you want to trade?
[01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:30.460]  Yeah.
[01:10:30.460 --> 01:10:33.460]  They have the same weapon.
[01:10:33.460 --> 01:10:34.460]  Yeah.
[01:10:34.460 --> 01:10:35.460]  That happens a lot.
[01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:36.460]  I've seen that.
[01:10:36.460 --> 01:10:37.460]  Wow.
[01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:42.460]  What if the person decides to give it away?
[01:10:42.460 --> 01:10:50.460]  I mean, if they get this and they say, oh, I'm going to give it to my uncle over here as a birthday present.
[01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:51.460]  Yeah.
[01:10:51.460 --> 01:10:56.460]  You can give a weapon because even on the 4473, you are accepting that that weapon is yours.
[01:10:56.460 --> 01:11:00.460]  And your possession to do with as you feel.
[01:11:00.460 --> 01:11:01.460]  Okay.
[01:11:01.460 --> 01:11:02.460]  Yeah.
[01:11:02.460 --> 01:11:06.460]  There was a profit made.
[01:11:06.460 --> 01:11:07.460]  Now, let me ask you this.
[01:11:07.460 --> 01:11:08.460]  Is it illegal?
[01:11:08.460 --> 01:11:12.460]  I'm going to one more thing before we go to this caller.
[01:11:12.460 --> 01:11:18.460]  Is it illegal because I've seen this guy in the fourth gun show several times over the last 10 years.
[01:11:18.460 --> 01:11:24.460]  He's always got a sign up in there at his table and I can't believe anybody goes and buys from me.
[01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:27.460]  But it just offends me.
[01:11:27.460 --> 01:11:34.460]  But he has a sign that says, if you buy a weapon for someone else, it's illegal and unlawful.
[01:11:34.460 --> 01:11:36.460]  Is that true?
[01:11:36.460 --> 01:11:37.460]  Yes.
[01:11:37.460 --> 01:11:41.460]  That is considered a strong purchase and that will get you 10 years in prison.
[01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:47.460]  It's illegal if I want to buy my wife a handgun.
[01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:52.460]  That becomes an issue of the FSL.
[01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:55.460]  And if you come to me and say, I want to buy it as a gift.
[01:11:55.460 --> 01:11:56.460]  Great.
[01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:59.460]  Man, give it to whoever you want and let them know where you got it.
[01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:00.460]  We'll do some training.
[01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:07.460]  But if you come to me and say, well, so-and-so gave me money to buy this, I'm supposed to deny that sale right then and there.
[01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:08.460]  So it's wording.
[01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:16.460]  It's basically, if I come and say I'm buying this as a gift for my son for his birthday, he's turning 22 today.
[01:12:16.460 --> 01:12:17.460]  It's not an issue.
[01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:24.460]  But if I just say, look, that guy over there gave me some money to come over here and buy this gun, then you're breaking the law.
[01:12:24.460 --> 01:12:25.460]  Right.
[01:12:25.460 --> 01:12:37.460]  And you can give a pistol to a younger person other than 21 as long as they're within voice control distance or they do it in the line of work.
[01:12:37.460 --> 01:12:39.460]  For example, my kids worked on a ranch.
[01:12:39.460 --> 01:12:45.460]  I could give them a sidearm to carry with them while they were doing their job for snakes and other things like that.
[01:12:45.460 --> 01:12:55.460]  And if they met up with a game warden in the line of their duty, now they've been trained and they know how to do this, but they would speak with the officer.
[01:12:55.460 --> 01:13:03.460]  And if the officer says, I need to take that weapon and unload it and go talk to your parents, they would allow them to take that weapon out of their holster and come talk to me.
[01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:09.460]  But you are legally allowed to give a child a handgun in the purpose of their job.
[01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:21.460]  And when I finally get my retail space up and I'm hiring these high school kids, they're going to get trained and they will be carrying a 40-caliber car on them while they're in the line of work.
[01:13:21.460 --> 01:13:23.460]  I mean, they're protecting my school.
[01:13:23.460 --> 01:13:28.460]  Basically, it's like with everything legal.
[01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:36.460]  You need to be quick on your feet and understand what wording to use to make sure that you're not, quote, breaking their laws.
[01:13:36.460 --> 01:13:37.460]  Absolutely.
[01:13:37.460 --> 01:13:39.460]  That's what it's all about.
[01:13:39.460 --> 01:13:43.460]  It's basically hanging yourself if you use the wrong wording.
[01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:47.460]  And it will finish to make you say it the wrong way.
[01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:48.460]  Exactly.
[01:13:48.460 --> 01:13:53.460]  And, well, Deborah, if you want to go to the caller, we can do that.
[01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:54.460]  We don't have any calls.
[01:13:54.460 --> 01:13:56.460]  The caller dropped off the line.
[01:13:56.460 --> 01:14:02.460]  I think, actually, they hadn't been listening to the show and they were calling in on a different topic or something.
[01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:07.460]  So callers, listen, don't you have any questions?
[01:14:07.460 --> 01:14:09.460]  You've got a real live FFL dealer on the line here.
[01:14:09.460 --> 01:14:14.460]  Call in 512-646-1984 if you have any questions.
[01:14:14.460 --> 01:14:21.460]  Now, again, folks who want to win this giveaway, this is not a private transaction.
[01:14:21.460 --> 01:14:24.460]  I am never going to take possession of the gun.
[01:14:24.460 --> 01:14:34.460]  This is a donation from this FFL dealer, Chris Hall.
[01:14:34.460 --> 01:14:41.460]  And so you will have to go through the NICS system check in order to take possession of the firearms.
[01:14:41.460 --> 01:14:42.460]  Let's just get that.
[01:14:42.460 --> 01:14:54.460]  Obviously, it's got to be legal in the area that you're at and stuff like that.
[01:14:54.460 --> 01:14:59.460]  And, you know, there's a problem for some reason that they can't have that particular,
[01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:03.460]  say it's somebody in California and they can't have that particular kind of weapon.
[01:15:03.460 --> 01:15:07.460]  I'm pretty sure I can get you a California compliant weapon.
[01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:13.460]  You know, now obviously there's some problems with New York right now.
[01:15:13.460 --> 01:15:14.460]  They're new law.
[01:15:14.460 --> 01:15:17.460]  They don't even make a seven round magazine.
[01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:19.460]  But, you know, we'll see what we can do.
[01:15:19.460 --> 01:15:20.460]  You'd be surprised.
[01:15:20.460 --> 01:15:21.460]  Okay.
[01:15:21.460 --> 01:15:22.460]  So there you go.
[01:15:22.460 --> 01:15:29.460]  Residents of these states that don't allow this type of weapon, we will still enter your name into the drawing.
[01:15:29.460 --> 01:15:40.460]  And if this particular weapon is not compatible with your state's laws, then we will make things right and get you something else.
[01:15:40.460 --> 01:15:41.460]  That's good to know.
[01:15:41.460 --> 01:15:42.460]  Yeah.
[01:15:42.460 --> 01:15:43.460]  I appreciate that, Chris.
[01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:45.460]  Thank you.
[01:15:45.460 --> 01:15:47.460]  Definitely good information.
[01:15:47.460 --> 01:15:52.460]  Being a manufacturer, I got way more leeway than your typical class two deal.
[01:15:52.460 --> 01:15:58.460]  You know, I can make a gun if I had to to pass certain regulations.
[01:15:58.460 --> 01:16:03.460]  The APS is trying to hand any sort of rifle cartridge in a handgun.
[01:16:03.460 --> 01:16:06.460]  And I've been working on this project now for about three years.
[01:16:06.460 --> 01:16:14.460]  I'm trying to make a revolver that'll fire the 223 round that won't blow up in your hand or kick the tar out of you.
[01:16:14.460 --> 01:16:19.460]  Because if you're carrying one style of ammunition, shouldn't you have a backup weapon?
[01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:22.460]  Exactly.
[01:16:22.460 --> 01:16:27.460]  And it needs to be the same ammunition you're carrying for your primary weapon.
[01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:28.460]  I agree.
[01:16:28.460 --> 01:16:33.460]  And if I can get this revolver to work the way I'm trying to, I'm using some special stuff.
[01:16:33.460 --> 01:16:36.460]  It'll be expensive, but it'll be a great weapon.
[01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:37.460]  Hi, folks.
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[01:16:40.460 --> 01:16:42.460]  I know we've got a lot of listeners out there.
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[01:20:17.460 --> 01:20:24.460]  And we are here with our very special guest, Chris Hall from Zombie Killers Guns.
[01:20:24.460 --> 01:20:27.460]  I'm sorry, Zombie Killers Ammo and Guns.
[01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:31.460]  And he is donating the Rock River Air 15 to the giveaway.
[01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:46.460]  Now, going back to this question about certain states, now right now we have the list of states where the gun as is cannot be transferred to.
[01:20:46.460 --> 01:20:53.460]  And that's New York, Massachusetts, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, and New Jersey.
[01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:54.460]  Not eligible.
[01:20:54.460 --> 01:21:07.460]  And I may, I think I'm going to actually strike that off the website because apparently now, Chris, you are giving us additional information that this particular weapon can be modified.
[01:21:07.460 --> 01:21:10.460]  And maybe you can go over some of the things that you were describing on the break.
[01:21:10.460 --> 01:21:16.460]  Like for California, for example, this weapon can be modified so that people in California can take possession of it.
[01:21:16.460 --> 01:21:19.460]  You want to explain about that a little?
[01:21:19.460 --> 01:21:23.460]  Yeah, the compliancy laws are based on the state of residency.
[01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:37.460]  So if for some reason, for example, California, it can't have a flash hider, it can't have a bayonet lug, it can't have a detachable magazine, it has to be top loaded, it can't have an adjustable stock.
[01:21:37.460 --> 01:21:42.460]  Some of that stuff I can modify to get it to pass.
[01:21:42.460 --> 01:21:47.460]  Now, the some of the other states, I don't know the rules in Massachusetts.
[01:21:47.460 --> 01:21:51.460]  So I don't even want to, you know, I will look it up.
[01:21:51.460 --> 01:21:55.460]  If I can get it to you in Massachusetts, by God, I'll do it.
[01:21:55.460 --> 01:22:01.460]  But I have to know the specific state where the winner is going to be to make sure that I can get it to them.
[01:22:01.460 --> 01:22:04.460]  If not, man, I'll figure something out.
[01:22:04.460 --> 01:22:05.460]  Okay, very good.
[01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:07.460]  Thank you, I appreciate that.
[01:22:07.460 --> 01:22:15.460]  And also just wanted to clarify to the listeners, because I've had this question asked to me a few times, well, what if I want a different gun?
[01:22:15.460 --> 01:22:17.460]  Can I have something else instead?
[01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:24.460]  Well, the answer to that question is no, because this gun has already been special ordered.
[01:22:24.460 --> 01:22:31.460]  This is being given from the goodness of Chris Hall's heart, and that is the gun that is already on order.
[01:22:31.460 --> 01:22:36.460]  It's being manufactured as we speak at the Rock River Factory.
[01:22:36.460 --> 01:22:44.460]  And from what Larry was telling me, this is one of the few companies left taking orders for these kinds of weapons.
[01:22:44.460 --> 01:22:48.460]  Like Colt, for example, they're not taking orders for AR-15s right now.
[01:22:48.460 --> 01:22:52.460]  And besides, it's a vastly more expensive gun than this one.
[01:22:52.460 --> 01:22:53.460]  This one is plenty good enough.
[01:22:53.460 --> 01:22:57.460]  But basically the answer is no, this is the weapon.
[01:22:57.460 --> 01:23:07.460]  If you win it and it's not the weapon that you really want, just hold on to it for a year and you can sell it and you'll be good to go.
[01:23:07.460 --> 01:23:10.460]  But yeah, the answer to that question would be no.
[01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:12.460]  I'm sorry, folks, but this is what it is.
[01:23:12.460 --> 01:23:16.460]  I think it's a very generous offer and we do appreciate it quite a bit.
[01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:20.460]  So we have a caller on the line now.
[01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:24.460]  We have Roger from Washington with some questions for Chris.
[01:23:24.460 --> 01:23:27.460]  Roger, thank you for calling in tonight.
[01:23:27.460 --> 01:23:30.460]  What is your question for Chris Hall?
[01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:31.460]  Oh, thank you.
[01:23:31.460 --> 01:23:34.460]  I have several questions actually.
[01:23:34.460 --> 01:23:44.460]  Some of them concerned definitions and he was mentioning something about, first I would be for the definition I want to ask this question.
[01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:49.460]  He mentioned something about surrendering off amendment rights.
[01:23:49.460 --> 01:23:53.460]  I don't remember exactly what he was talking about.
[01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:58.460]  But wouldn't that be considered an infringement?
[01:23:58.460 --> 01:24:00.460]  Yeah, it actually would.
[01:24:00.460 --> 01:24:13.460]  But unfortunately in order to have the permission to have an NFA item, which is the National Firearms Act item, which is a class three weapon, you have asked permission to have this weapon.
[01:24:13.460 --> 01:24:15.460]  Well, the government says they still own that weapon.
[01:24:15.460 --> 01:24:23.460]  So they want to be able to come and visit it anytime they want to and that's part of the regulations of being an FFL too.
[01:24:23.460 --> 01:24:30.460]  I can get a knock on the door anytime during business hours and I have to let that ATF agent in while I'm working.
[01:24:30.460 --> 01:24:33.460]  And Roger, I can assist in answering that question.
[01:24:33.460 --> 01:24:37.460]  Have you heard any of our shows with our very special guest, Harmon Taylor?
[01:24:37.460 --> 01:24:48.460]  That's what I'm calling. I called and spoke to him about that and we discussed that about say, for example, buying a firearm from an FFL dealer who had sold it.
[01:24:48.460 --> 01:24:58.460]  Yes. See, what Harmon will say, and I know for a fact he will say that because I say this what I'm about to say because I just talked to him about this yesterday.
[01:24:58.460 --> 01:25:01.460]  Again, it all boils down to commercial nexus with the government.
[01:25:01.460 --> 01:25:04.460]  It all boils down to commercial agreement.
[01:25:04.460 --> 01:25:19.460]  If you are going to put in these applications and fill out these forms in order to, you know, purchase this fully auto, full auto weapon in the name of a corporation, et cetera, from a class three firearms dealer,
[01:25:19.460 --> 01:25:26.460]  you are entering into a commercial agreement with the government and you are subjecting yourself to their terms.
[01:25:26.460 --> 01:25:29.460]  If you don't want to do that, don't enter into the agreement.
[01:25:29.460 --> 01:25:37.460]  So technically, no, it is not really a violation of your Fourth Amendment right because you volunteered into it, you signed your name on the dotted line.
[01:25:37.460 --> 01:25:42.460]  If you don't want to lose that right, then you don't voluntarily give it up.
[01:25:42.460 --> 01:25:47.460]  So the answer technically, according to law, is no, it's not a violation.
[01:25:47.460 --> 01:26:03.460]  That is what you're doing also when you get a concealed carry license also, you're entering into a contract with the government, giving them access to you saying when you can and can't have a weapon.
[01:26:03.460 --> 01:26:04.460]  Right.
[01:26:04.460 --> 01:26:17.460]  Well, Texas Constitution says the only thing that they are allowed to infringe upon is where you carry that weapon and for the safety of the populace, you know, for your having your sidearm on you.
[01:26:17.460 --> 01:26:18.460]  But yeah, that's exactly it.
[01:26:18.460 --> 01:26:24.460]  You're giving up that right to have that particular right to play with that gun.
[01:26:24.460 --> 01:26:34.460]  And the reason, okay, it used to be before the concealed carry license, it used to be open carry across the state.
[01:26:34.460 --> 01:26:35.460]  Okay.
[01:26:35.460 --> 01:26:44.460]  And then the reason they had to pass a law saying that they could license concealed carry is because it was illegal to carry a weapon concealed.
[01:26:44.460 --> 01:26:45.460]  So that's what they do.
[01:26:45.460 --> 01:26:51.460]  So they make a law to do something that would.
[01:26:51.460 --> 01:26:54.460]  Larry.
[01:26:54.460 --> 01:26:56.460]  Larry, your Skype is cutting out.
[01:26:56.460 --> 01:27:01.460]  They pass a law to make to get to license something that otherwise would be illegal.
[01:27:01.460 --> 01:27:03.460]  I know what he was going to say, but I'm not sure.
[01:27:03.460 --> 01:27:04.460]  So Larry.
[01:27:04.460 --> 01:27:05.460]  Yeah, you're back now.
[01:27:05.460 --> 01:27:06.460]  Go ahead.
[01:27:06.460 --> 01:27:07.460]  Yeah.
[01:27:07.460 --> 01:27:14.460]  You're saying they pass a law to issue a license on something that would otherwise be illegal.
[01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:15.460]  That's what that means.
[01:27:15.460 --> 01:27:16.460]  That's what a license is all about.
[01:27:16.460 --> 01:27:17.460]  Go ahead, Larry.
[01:27:17.460 --> 01:27:25.460]  Yeah, and that's exact, they did that and also in doing that, they made it illegal to open carry.
[01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:27.460]  Yeah, it was a step back in my book.
[01:27:27.460 --> 01:27:36.460]  And we actually, and actually we talked quite a bit about concealed carry laws in Texas just a few weeks ago.
[01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:46.460]  And honestly, I don't really much see the point of getting us a concealed carry license because if you're on private property, you don't need a license.
[01:27:46.460 --> 01:27:47.460]  Okay.
[01:27:47.460 --> 01:28:00.460]  And so if you're going from your house to your, your buddy's house, you are under the travel, under the travel aspect of the statute, you're allowed to have the weapon in your car.
[01:28:00.460 --> 01:28:08.460]  As long as it's concealed, like Chris was saying, probably not the good idea to put in the glove box because then when you go to get your proof of insurance, the cops will freak out.
[01:28:08.460 --> 01:28:11.460]  But at any rate, as long as it's concealed, you can have it on your person.
[01:28:11.460 --> 01:28:13.460]  You can have it inside your jacket.
[01:28:13.460 --> 01:28:14.460]  Okay.
[01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:15.460]  When you're in the car.
[01:28:15.460 --> 01:28:16.460]  Okay.
[01:28:16.460 --> 01:28:18.460]  You can have it inside your jacket in your house.
[01:28:18.460 --> 01:28:19.460]  All right.
[01:28:19.460 --> 01:28:20.460]  You go, you get in your car.
[01:28:20.460 --> 01:28:21.460]  It's still in your jacket.
[01:28:21.460 --> 01:28:25.460]  You don't need a license to have it in your jacket concealed in the car.
[01:28:25.460 --> 01:28:27.460]  You pull up into your buddy's driveway.
[01:28:27.460 --> 01:28:29.460]  You're now on private property again.
[01:28:29.460 --> 01:28:30.460]  Now you don't need a license.
[01:28:30.460 --> 01:28:31.460]  So what's the point?
[01:28:31.460 --> 01:28:41.460]  I mean, there's only a very few places where actually concealed carry would quote lawfully allow you to carry concealed.
[01:28:41.460 --> 01:28:47.460]  And that would be say, for example, walking down the street on public property on the sidewalk.
[01:28:47.460 --> 01:28:48.460]  Okay.
[01:28:48.460 --> 01:29:08.460]  Or in certain establishments that sell alcohol, where the percentage of income made by the owner of that establishment, as long as they, they're less, it has to be less than 51% alcohol sales or else.
[01:29:08.460 --> 01:29:19.460]  Even if you have a concealed carry, you still, you can't go walk into a full on bar whose income, you know, their, their, their mo means of income is more than 51% from alcohol.
[01:29:19.460 --> 01:29:23.460]  You still can't carry it in there even if you have a normal concealed carry license.
[01:29:23.460 --> 01:29:32.460]  So honestly, I don't really see much point of having a concealed carry anyway, because I can go just about anywhere I want with a concealed handgun lawfully without a license.
[01:29:32.460 --> 01:29:33.460]  So what's the big deal anyway?
[01:29:33.460 --> 01:29:35.460]  It seems like a big scam to me.
[01:29:35.460 --> 01:29:37.460]  That's just my take on it.
[01:29:37.460 --> 01:29:43.460]  It's just to get you in the system, get your guns registered so that I know who has what so they can come take them.
[01:29:43.460 --> 01:29:46.460]  And there's so many restrictions on concealed carry licenses.
[01:29:46.460 --> 01:29:47.460]  It's outrageous.
[01:29:47.460 --> 01:29:52.460]  You have to tell the cops if you have one in the car with you, you don't have to tell the cops if you have one.
[01:29:52.460 --> 01:29:54.460]  If you don't have a license, it's stupid.
[01:29:54.460 --> 01:29:56.460]  We'll be right back, folks.
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[01:32:10.460 --> 01:32:15.460]  Yeah, who you want to check? Who you take me for? Free toilet? Who you want to check?
[01:32:15.460 --> 01:32:18.460]  No, free toilet. You can't check me.
[01:32:18.460 --> 01:32:22.460]  All the time. You don't let them chip you in the morning. Chip you in the evening.
[01:32:22.460 --> 01:32:26.460]  Put that chip in your body. And anyway, you go computer reading.
[01:32:26.460 --> 01:32:29.460]  You can't hide me. You can't come in your body. What me say?
[01:32:29.460 --> 01:32:31.460]  Okay, folks, we are back. We're taking your calls.
[01:32:31.460 --> 01:32:33.460]  Roger from Washington. I know you had some more questions.
[01:32:33.460 --> 01:32:37.460]  Just stay right there. We're still going off on this concealed carry thing.
[01:32:37.460 --> 01:32:42.460]  As I was saying, to me, I think the whole thing is stupid. I'm not going to do it
[01:32:42.460 --> 01:32:46.460]  because there's too many restrictions. It's ridiculous.
[01:32:46.460 --> 01:32:52.460]  I mean, you know, it's like it almost doesn't really buy you that much to have the license
[01:32:52.460 --> 01:32:57.460]  and except for maybe being able to walk down the street or go into a restaurant
[01:32:57.460 --> 01:33:03.460]  that doesn't have more than 51% of its income from alcohol or whatever.
[01:33:03.460 --> 01:33:07.460]  I mean, that's really about it. Why would you want one when you have to go through all this?
[01:33:07.460 --> 01:33:10.460]  You've got to give them your fingerprints and your background check
[01:33:10.460 --> 01:33:15.460]  and you have to register the gun. And you have to tell them that you have it.
[01:33:15.460 --> 01:33:19.460]  And then the cops know they're going to automatically assume you have a weapon
[01:33:19.460 --> 01:33:24.460]  as soon as they pull you over and they're going to be all scared and point guns at the car.
[01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:28.460]  I mean, like Larry was saying, it's like you're almost treated like a criminal
[01:33:28.460 --> 01:33:31.460]  when you have one of these concealed carry licenses.
[01:33:31.460 --> 01:33:34.460]  And personally, I don't think it's a good idea. I'm not going to do it.
[01:33:34.460 --> 01:33:41.460]  I would not do it. There's really nowhere I'm going to need to have a concealed carry license
[01:33:41.460 --> 01:33:46.460]  that I can't just carry concealed anyway and not violate any laws.
[01:33:46.460 --> 01:33:52.460]  Larry, you were telling us something on the break about y'all looked into this
[01:33:52.460 --> 01:33:56.460]  and even taking the course and then deciding not to do it once you tell us about that.
[01:33:56.460 --> 01:34:01.460]  Okay, my wife, I sit her down about a year ago to take a concealed carry class
[01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:05.460]  because I thought, okay, this will be good for her because they're going to teach her how to shoot,
[01:34:05.460 --> 01:34:08.460]  help her learn more, to have more control over the weapon.
[01:34:08.460 --> 01:34:12.460]  She goes to this course. She comes back and tells me, she said,
[01:34:12.460 --> 01:34:16.460]  well, the shooting was only about 30 minutes.
[01:34:16.460 --> 01:34:22.460]  The other 11 and a half hours was telling us where we couldn't take the weapon.
[01:34:22.460 --> 01:34:27.460]  Okay? And so after that, we decided not to do it.
[01:34:27.460 --> 01:34:29.460]  I told her, no, you're not doing that.
[01:34:29.460 --> 01:34:34.460]  I said, because first of all, they tell them about the signs that are up at establishments
[01:34:34.460 --> 01:34:42.460]  like the establishment that has alcohol cells of more than 51% of their cells.
[01:34:42.460 --> 01:34:46.460]  You can't take, well, all these different places, they told the concealed carry holder,
[01:34:46.460 --> 01:34:48.460]  they could not take their weapon.
[01:34:48.460 --> 01:34:51.460]  A criminal doesn't care about those laws.
[01:34:51.460 --> 01:34:52.460]  They don't care.
[01:34:52.460 --> 01:34:55.460]  If somebody plans on shooting somebody, they're going to look, oh, well,
[01:34:55.460 --> 01:35:00.460]  I know there's no concealed carry holders in there because they got a sign up.
[01:35:00.460 --> 01:35:04.460]  And so I'm pretty safe to go in there and rob that place, definitely,
[01:35:04.460 --> 01:35:07.460]  because there's not going to be anybody in their arm.
[01:35:07.460 --> 01:35:12.460]  That's only thing that does is make sure that nobody has a weapon in all these different places.
[01:35:12.460 --> 01:35:18.460]  So first of all, one of the things that my wife told me coming out of this
[01:35:18.460 --> 01:35:25.460]  is if a person who has a concealed carry, if they tell somebody they are a concealed carry,
[01:35:25.460 --> 01:35:28.460]  they are no longer a concealed carry holder.
[01:35:28.460 --> 01:35:35.460]  And every person I've ever met that has a concealed carry, they walk around bragging about it.
[01:35:35.460 --> 01:35:36.460]  They brag about it.
[01:35:36.460 --> 01:35:39.460]  They'll pull out their license and show it to you.
[01:35:39.460 --> 01:35:42.460]  And I'm like, you're not a concealed carry holder anymore
[01:35:42.460 --> 01:35:45.460]  because you've just told me you have a concealed carry.
[01:35:45.460 --> 01:35:47.460]  Is that right, Chris?
[01:35:47.460 --> 01:35:48.460]  Yes, sir.
[01:35:48.460 --> 01:35:52.460]  And the only reason I ever tell anybody, and I tell my close friends,
[01:35:52.460 --> 01:35:57.460]  that if there's ever an active shooter situation, you get behind me and you keep running away.
[01:35:57.460 --> 01:35:59.460]  I'll delay them as long as I can.
[01:35:59.460 --> 01:36:03.460]  Now, the Israeli Special Forces says that a typical shooter can only be delayed
[01:36:03.460 --> 01:36:09.460]  for about 47 seconds from a pistol to a rifle.
[01:36:09.460 --> 01:36:15.460]  So that tells you what my odds are there, but you can only do so much.
[01:36:15.460 --> 01:36:18.460]  And you can't even carry where you work.
[01:36:18.460 --> 01:36:21.460]  Where you spend most of your time anyway is where you work.
[01:36:21.460 --> 01:36:26.460]  And that comes down to the owner of that business determining if you can carry there.
[01:36:26.460 --> 01:36:27.460]  Now, wait a minute.
[01:36:27.460 --> 01:36:31.460]  The Israelis are talking about a determined shooter.
[01:36:31.460 --> 01:36:36.460]  They're not talking about the guy who expects to be at a turkey shoot
[01:36:36.460 --> 01:36:39.460]  and finds the turkey shooting back at him.
[01:36:39.460 --> 01:36:40.460]  That's correct.
[01:36:40.460 --> 01:36:42.460]  It changes everything.
[01:36:42.460 --> 01:36:46.460]  And if you haven't been on the sharp end of one of those things
[01:36:46.460 --> 01:36:51.460]  and you decide that you're going to put somebody else on it
[01:36:51.460 --> 01:36:56.460]  and the other one points one back at you, it changes everything.
[01:36:56.460 --> 01:37:01.460]  Yeah, look what happened to that shooter that was in the mall and his firearm jammed.
[01:37:01.460 --> 01:37:02.460]  I can't remember where this was.
[01:37:02.460 --> 01:37:04.460]  It's a big news story pretty recently.
[01:37:04.460 --> 01:37:05.460]  Michael Ms. Martin.
[01:37:05.460 --> 01:37:09.460]  Yeah, and then one of the mall patrons came after him
[01:37:09.460 --> 01:37:12.460]  and started shooting back at him, pointing the gun at him.
[01:37:12.460 --> 01:37:14.460]  Well, the guy just killed himself.
[01:37:14.460 --> 01:37:15.460]  Right.
[01:37:15.460 --> 01:37:16.460]  Exactly.
[01:37:16.460 --> 01:37:24.460]  So like I said, only thing the concealed carry, in my opinion, does is it limits the places
[01:37:24.460 --> 01:37:30.460]  and puts a notice up to the criminals exactly where they have the best chance of going in
[01:37:30.460 --> 01:37:34.460]  and breaking the wall because they know no concealed carry.
[01:37:34.460 --> 01:37:36.460]  Now, if a concealed carry, tell me this, Chris.
[01:37:36.460 --> 01:37:42.460]  If a concealed carry holder takes a gun into a place where he's not supposed to have a gun
[01:37:42.460 --> 01:37:50.460]  and then a crime is committed in the business and he shoots the criminal who's committing the crime,
[01:37:50.460 --> 01:37:53.460]  what happens to the concealed carry holder?
[01:37:53.460 --> 01:37:54.460]  Does he lose his license?
[01:37:54.460 --> 01:37:55.460]  Does he go to jail?
[01:37:55.460 --> 01:37:56.460]  What happens?
[01:37:56.460 --> 01:38:00.460]  That comes down to the DA to decide if he's going to prosecute.
[01:38:00.460 --> 01:38:06.460]  And I wouldn't do it in Austin because judging from what I've read about Austin, they would probably prosecute you.
[01:38:06.460 --> 01:38:13.460]  But the whole point is, is then, you know, if you do get something like that, take it to jury trial
[01:38:13.460 --> 01:38:16.460]  because I guarantee you that jury is going to sit there and go, well, wait a minute.
[01:38:16.460 --> 01:38:19.460]  He stopped a felony in commission.
[01:38:19.460 --> 01:38:24.460]  You know, yeah, we'll give him his trespassing charge and he'll go get his 30 days in jail.
[01:38:24.460 --> 01:38:26.460]  But that's still not a felony.
[01:38:26.460 --> 01:38:29.460]  You shouldn't lose your license over that.
[01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:32.460]  Yeah, and really, it shouldn't be up to the DA.
[01:38:32.460 --> 01:38:37.460]  It should be up to the grand jury because if the grand jury refuses to indict the person,
[01:38:37.460 --> 01:38:41.460]  then the prosecutor can't prosecute no matter how much he wants to.
[01:38:41.460 --> 01:38:46.460]  And that's something that we're working on right now is educating grand jurors about these sorts of things.
[01:38:46.460 --> 01:38:47.460]  They can stop that.
[01:38:47.460 --> 01:38:50.460]  Exactly, you got it.
[01:38:50.460 --> 01:39:00.460]  We know with listening to Randy and Eddie that the jury, I mean, that the grand jury is inaccessible, almost completely inaccessible.
[01:39:00.460 --> 01:39:03.460]  The DA is the one who has the accessibility.
[01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:06.460]  It's getting better, Larry.
[01:39:06.460 --> 01:39:12.460]  I mean, Randy has kicked some serious blood even here in Travis County over the last few years.
[01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:21.460]  And even the assistant DA now is not getting in people's way anymore when they go to bring criminal complaints to the grand jury to again.
[01:39:21.460 --> 01:39:24.460]  I'll give you an idea.
[01:39:24.460 --> 01:39:37.460]  I went to a Justice of the Peace and asked to see some records and the Justice of the Peace said that I would be a security risk that I had to go down to the county clerk and look at her records from the county clerk.
[01:39:37.460 --> 01:39:43.460]  And I said, I don't want to go to the clerk. I want to see yours, which he refused. I asked the bailiff to arrest her.
[01:39:43.460 --> 01:39:47.460]  And the bailiff told me if I created a disturbance, he'd arrest me.
[01:39:47.460 --> 01:39:50.460]  So I asked him, are you threatening me?
[01:39:50.460 --> 01:39:52.460]  And he eventually said he wasn't.
[01:39:52.460 --> 01:40:01.460]  So I talked to the prosecutor attorney and told her, I'm going to come down there and I'm going to file criminal charges against that Justice of the Peace.
[01:40:01.460 --> 01:40:07.460]  3903 Penal Code of Fish and Oppression for denying me full free access to her enjoyment rights.
[01:40:07.460 --> 01:40:17.460]  And I'm going to charge that bailiff with first degree felony aggravated assault, 2204B2A.
[01:40:17.460 --> 01:40:20.460]  Do I need to bring a Texas Ranger with me?
[01:40:20.460 --> 01:40:27.460]  And she said, well, why would you need a Texas Ranger to arrest anyone who tries to interfere with my access?
[01:40:27.460 --> 01:40:38.460]  And she said it. And I told her I would give the complaint to the bailiff for the grand jury and instruct him to tell the form and I had business with the grand jury and give him this.
[01:40:38.460 --> 01:40:42.460]  She said, if that's what you want to do, no one will interfere with you.
[01:40:42.460 --> 01:40:56.460]  Now several years ago, my picture was hanging up in the grand jury room in the same place, Tarrant County, because I filed over 50 felony and misdemeanor charges against public officials.
[01:40:56.460 --> 01:41:00.460]  For them interfering with my access to the grand jury.
[01:41:00.460 --> 01:41:07.460]  And one of the prosecutors was still there and knew exactly who I was and they decided to stand aside.
[01:41:07.460 --> 01:41:10.460]  This is a big deal.
[01:41:10.460 --> 01:41:12.460]  It's a big deal and it's getting better.
[01:41:12.460 --> 01:41:14.460]  Okay, listen, we need to go back to our callers.
[01:41:14.460 --> 01:41:16.460]  We're running out of time here.
[01:41:16.460 --> 01:41:18.460]  Roger, you had another question.
[01:41:18.460 --> 01:41:20.460]  What was your other question?
[01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:32.460]  Yeah, the concealed carry is not what I called for, but I agree with you, Deborah, and it even raised other questions, but I don't want to go there now.
[01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:37.460]  My main question has like three parts to it.
[01:41:37.460 --> 01:41:40.460]  Okay, well, can you lay it out quickly and we'll try to answer as fast as we can.
[01:41:40.460 --> 01:41:44.460]  We've got two other callers on the line and it's hard to understand what you're saying.
[01:41:44.460 --> 01:41:50.460]  So give us your questions and then we can answer them the best we can on the other side.
[01:41:50.460 --> 01:41:53.460]  We're about to go to break, but what are your questions?
[01:41:53.460 --> 01:41:56.460]  Okay, well, it's all in one.
[01:41:56.460 --> 01:42:03.460]  You said that as long as you enter into agreement with them, then you're giving up your rights.
[01:42:03.460 --> 01:42:18.460]  I think we can buy guns without giving up our rights and as Harmon said, as I understand him, about three things is where you give up your rights.
[01:42:18.460 --> 01:42:23.460]  And one is you give them your social security number, which I was amazed to hear you don't have to do that.
[01:42:23.460 --> 01:42:30.460]  The other thing is you claim you're a U.S. citizen and the other thing is you pay with firms.
[01:42:30.460 --> 01:42:36.460]  Yeah, Roger, if you're going to enter into, if you're going to fill out any forms with them, you're already entering into an agreement with them.
[01:42:36.460 --> 01:42:45.460]  Okay, and you are correct when you say we should be able to and that we can be able to buy guns without giving up any rights.
[01:42:45.460 --> 01:42:47.460]  Yes, you absolutely can.
[01:42:47.460 --> 01:42:50.460]  You just may not be able to buy a gun that you want from an FFL.
[01:42:50.460 --> 01:42:51.460]  That's all.
[01:42:51.460 --> 01:43:00.460]  If you fill out the FFL mix form at all, the form that 40, what is it, 4703?
[01:43:00.460 --> 01:43:06.460]  You've already entered into agreement with them, period, even if you don't give them your social security number, even if you don't say you're a U.S. citizen or whatever,
[01:43:06.460 --> 01:43:12.460]  if you fill out any paperwork with them at all, you are automatically already entering into agreement with them.
[01:43:12.460 --> 01:43:17.460]  So if you don't want to enter into an agreement with them, don't be a part of their system at all.
[01:43:17.460 --> 01:43:20.460]  Okay, buy through private sale.
[01:43:20.460 --> 01:43:25.460]  I mean, there's nothing stopping anybody from buying a firearm through private sale.
[01:43:25.460 --> 01:43:30.460]  I mean, honestly, there's really not that much infringement of our rights.
[01:43:30.460 --> 01:43:37.460]  It's just that we don't have a right to necessarily buy a firearm from an FFL dealer.
[01:43:37.460 --> 01:43:38.460]  That's all.
[01:43:38.460 --> 01:43:40.460]  Buy it from somebody else.
[01:43:40.460 --> 01:43:41.460]  Buy from private sale.
[01:43:41.460 --> 01:43:44.460]  All right, listen, we are going to break now.
[01:43:44.460 --> 01:43:46.460]  This is the rule of law.
[01:43:46.460 --> 01:43:54.460]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, we are here with Larry Weist and our special guest, Chris Hall, from Zombie Killers Guns.
[01:43:54.460 --> 01:43:56.460]  Zombie Killers ammo and guns.
[01:43:56.460 --> 01:43:59.460]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:59.460 --> 01:44:08.460]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy, and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[01:44:08.460 --> 01:44:11.460]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then.
[01:44:11.460 --> 01:44:12.460]  Brave New Books?
[01:44:12.460 --> 01:44:19.460]  Yes, Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
[01:44:19.460 --> 01:44:23.460]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[01:44:23.460 --> 01:44:26.460]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[01:44:26.460 --> 01:44:27.460]  Go check it out for yourself.
[01:44:27.460 --> 01:44:31.460]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street just south of UT.
[01:44:31.460 --> 01:44:35.460]  Oh, by UT? There's never anywhere to park down there.
[01:44:35.460 --> 01:44:43.460]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility just behind the bookstore.
[01:44:43.460 --> 01:44:46.460]  It does exist, but when are they open?
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[01:46:12.460 --> 01:46:15.460]  Okay, we are back. We've got one segment left.
[01:46:15.460 --> 01:46:20.460]  Roger, hang on the line. We're going to try to blow through some of these other callers and then get back to you if we have time.
[01:46:20.460 --> 01:46:23.460]  It's really hard to understand what you're saying, Roger.
[01:46:23.460 --> 01:46:25.460]  And so that's one of the reasons why we need to move on.
[01:46:25.460 --> 01:46:29.460]  And we've got other callers on the line, but we will try to get back to you if we have time.
[01:46:29.460 --> 01:46:34.460]  Roger, if you have a different phone, if you could please call in on a different phone line.
[01:46:34.460 --> 01:46:36.460]  It sounds like you're on Skype.
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[01:46:57.460 --> 01:47:00.460]  Okay, we are going to go now to Brad in Texas.
[01:47:00.460 --> 01:47:02.460]  Brad, thank you for calling.
[01:47:02.460 --> 01:47:06.460]  What is your question for Chris tonight?
[01:47:06.460 --> 01:47:09.460]  I'm almost out of battery here.
[01:47:09.460 --> 01:47:11.460]  Thanks for your program. I appreciate it.
[01:47:11.460 --> 01:47:14.460]  Oh, you're welcome. I'm sorry it's taken so long to get to you, but go ahead, please.
[01:47:14.460 --> 01:47:19.460]  I'll hit it quick. First of all, was there some kind of a deal where we buy a $20 ticket?
[01:47:19.460 --> 01:47:21.460]  Would you quickly explain that?
[01:47:21.460 --> 01:47:22.460]  Yes.
[01:47:22.460 --> 01:47:24.460]  It would be interesting. I have more questions.
[01:47:24.460 --> 01:47:27.460]  Okay, yes. It's not a ticket. This is not a raffle.
[01:47:27.460 --> 01:47:31.460]  All the information is on the LogosRadioNetwork.com website.
[01:47:31.460 --> 01:47:39.460]  This is a gun giveaway and the way that it works is that LogosRadio Network is having a fundraiser right now
[01:47:39.460 --> 01:47:43.460]  to pay for operating expenses. We desperately need to upgrade equipment.
[01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:47.460]  We've been able to post archives for about three weeks because we ran out of room on the server
[01:47:47.460 --> 01:47:51.460]  and I had to upgrade, get more space on the server.
[01:47:51.460 --> 01:47:55.460]  We've had computers blow up. We've been on the air here for about five years
[01:47:55.460 --> 01:48:01.460]  and we just have not had the money to upgrade any equipment and everything is falling apart at the same time.
[01:48:01.460 --> 01:48:05.460]  So this is actually part of a fundraiser. It's not a raffle.
[01:48:05.460 --> 01:48:10.460]  You don't get a ticket because as I explained earlier on the air, raffles are highly regulated by the federal government
[01:48:10.460 --> 01:48:13.460]  and you have to be a non-profit entity to conduct a raffle.
[01:48:13.460 --> 01:48:17.460]  Raffles are only for an amount of money. They're not for items, all these things.
[01:48:17.460 --> 01:48:27.460]  This is a giveaway and for every $20 that you donate to the fundraiser, your name will be entered into the hat one time.
[01:48:27.460 --> 01:48:33.460]  So if you want to donate $100, you will have your name entered into the drawing five times
[01:48:33.460 --> 01:48:35.460]  and you will also get other perks.
[01:48:35.460 --> 01:48:41.460]  If you go to the website, logosradionetwork.com, you'll see those perks. $50 will get you a Purium gift card
[01:48:41.460 --> 01:48:44.460]  for some health food products or a DVD burner.
[01:48:44.460 --> 01:48:51.460]  All of these are items donated by listeners to help out the network to give to the other listeners for $75.
[01:48:51.460 --> 01:48:55.460]  You get a 32-ounce bottle of either colloidal silver or ionic silver.
[01:48:55.460 --> 01:49:01.460]  For $150, you get both and for every $20 increment, you not only get one of the perks
[01:49:01.460 --> 01:49:06.460]  but you also have your name entered into the hat. Okay, so that's the deal with the fundraiser.
[01:49:06.460 --> 01:49:07.460]  Good. I appreciate that.
[01:49:07.460 --> 01:49:12.460]  Then my question is this, I just bought some AR-15s Colts, barely got them.
[01:49:12.460 --> 01:49:17.460]  I wanted to ask your guys there, I'm not familiar with them so I'm just saying guys,
[01:49:17.460 --> 01:49:22.460]  but I wanted to ask them if they thought that the backlog is going to get caught up
[01:49:22.460 --> 01:49:27.460]  or the gun makers now ramping up pretty hard so that they can kind of satisfy the needs
[01:49:27.460 --> 01:49:31.460]  so we don't have to sit here and fight to get our purchases and then I have another question.
[01:49:31.460 --> 01:49:32.460]  Go ahead.
[01:49:32.460 --> 01:49:38.460]  Yeah, unfortunately you're looking at about a year before, like Ruger and Rock River Arms
[01:49:38.460 --> 01:49:44.460]  have both told me that there's three to six months out before they can even get started on something
[01:49:44.460 --> 01:49:54.460]  and back before all this happened in October, the AR-15 platform was almost impossible to get at regular prices.
[01:49:54.460 --> 01:49:57.460]  The EMS is one of the better ones. They're putting out a lot of stuff.
[01:49:57.460 --> 01:50:03.460]  Rock River is still taking orders, but I've been told a million dollars is about what it takes to get anywhere.
[01:50:03.460 --> 01:50:08.460]  So for this particular giveaway, how long do you think, I mean the order's already been placed,
[01:50:08.460 --> 01:50:14.460]  how long do you think it's going to be before the AR-15 comes in for this gun giveaway?
[01:50:14.460 --> 01:50:16.460]  The last time I ordered was in September.
[01:50:16.460 --> 01:50:21.460]  I ordered a pair of barrels, they said three months, they had it to me in a month and two days.
[01:50:21.460 --> 01:50:26.460]  So they say it takes longer than it does. They're pretty good about getting it in.
[01:50:26.460 --> 01:50:30.460]  I bet you it would take about right at two months right now.
[01:50:30.460 --> 01:50:32.460]  You think it's going to take about two months.
[01:50:32.460 --> 01:50:42.460]  So the order was placed a couple of weeks ago, so we're looking at hopefully maybe the first of March or so by the time it comes in.
[01:50:42.460 --> 01:50:43.460]  Right.
[01:50:43.460 --> 01:50:44.460]  Okay, excellent.
[01:50:44.460 --> 01:50:45.460]  Quick question.
[01:50:45.460 --> 01:50:50.460]  Is it better to order parts now rather than trying to get a gun from the dealer?
[01:50:50.460 --> 01:50:53.460]  Nobody is letting you order parts. Nobody.
[01:50:53.460 --> 01:50:54.460]  Okay.
[01:50:54.460 --> 01:51:06.460]  They're only worried about complete firearms because parts, back orders, and receivers, uppers, they all said they're on infinite back order until they can get caught up.
[01:51:06.460 --> 01:51:16.460]  And right now, getting caught up is, I mean, Ruger's running three shifts, 24 hours a day, and they're still guaranteeing a million guns a year.
[01:51:16.460 --> 01:51:18.460]  So it's crazy right now.
[01:51:18.460 --> 01:51:22.460]  You've missed something about selling guns and there's some danger in that.
[01:51:22.460 --> 01:51:30.460]  If I've got two AR-15s, but maybe I want a different one, can I sell the one that I have even though I just purchased it?
[01:51:30.460 --> 01:51:34.460]  Yes. The main problem comes with if it's founded a crime.
[01:51:34.460 --> 01:51:40.460]  And if I was you, what I would do is I would say, I want to sell this and there's going to be a background check.
[01:51:40.460 --> 01:51:45.460]  That way you're protected because you come to an FFL and the FFL goes, sure, I'll do a background check.
[01:51:45.460 --> 01:51:50.460]  Now, I can't guarantee it's going to be free. It might be $25. It might be $50.
[01:51:50.460 --> 01:51:58.460]  But that difference there is what protects you from the indictment when they decide to chase after you for selling without a license.
[01:51:58.460 --> 01:51:59.460]  And they would.
[01:51:59.460 --> 01:52:03.460]  Now, but does that only apply if you try to sell it for a profit?
[01:52:03.460 --> 01:52:06.460]  What if you sell it for equal value and you're not making a profit?
[01:52:06.460 --> 01:52:08.460]  Does that require a license within a year?
[01:52:08.460 --> 01:52:10.460]  If you do that within a year?
[01:52:10.460 --> 01:52:11.460]  No.
[01:52:11.460 --> 01:52:14.460]  No, but the main issue is going to be whether or not it's used to the crime.
[01:52:14.460 --> 01:52:20.460]  Well, that could be the case at any point in time, even if you sell the gun 10 years down the line.
[01:52:20.460 --> 01:52:26.460]  No, because if you've had it over that amount of time, then they don't get to use the selling for profit.
[01:52:26.460 --> 01:52:30.460]  Oh, okay. Okay, I got you. Gotcha.
[01:52:30.460 --> 01:52:32.460]  All right, Brad, anyone?
[01:52:32.460 --> 01:52:40.460]  Yeah, if you need to sell that weapon right now because the prices are so high you're going to make a profit, use an FFL.
[01:52:40.460 --> 01:52:49.460]  And plus, man, you don't really want that weapon getting in the hands of somebody who is going to use it for a crime at any point, you know.
[01:52:49.460 --> 01:52:57.460]  I wanted to look at the Bushmaster Texas DPS gun. I think it's only sold at GT distributors in Austin.
[01:52:57.460 --> 01:53:03.460]  And I wanted to see what your thoughts were on that gun since you know them so well.
[01:53:03.460 --> 01:53:07.460]  Well, unfortunately, I don't know the specifics on that particular model.
[01:53:07.460 --> 01:53:15.460]  But if I was you and I was looking at something that would work no matter what, one, I want a piston conversion.
[01:53:15.460 --> 01:53:26.460]  And two, there's a company, I hate to plug another company, but Anderson makes a weapon that has RF-85, basically it's a ceramic coating on the entire inside of the weapon.
[01:53:26.460 --> 01:53:32.460]  And I've put 5,000 rounds through one of those guns trying to break it as fast as I can shoot.
[01:53:32.460 --> 01:53:37.460]  I'm talking 300 rounds in two minutes flat and I couldn't make a jam.
[01:53:37.460 --> 01:53:42.460]  I understand. Good. And so you're favoring the piston system?
[01:53:42.460 --> 01:53:47.460]  Yes. Yes. I absolutely favor the piston.
[01:53:47.460 --> 01:53:55.460]  Good, guys. I always appreciate 90.1. Your Logos program is good and I appreciate all your guys' efforts here.
[01:53:55.460 --> 01:53:58.460]  Thank you, Brad. Thank you very much.
[01:53:58.460 --> 01:54:06.460]  Logos Radio Network is a separate entity from 90.1, just so folks out there realize what that difference is.
[01:54:06.460 --> 01:54:09.460]  Logos Radio Network is a network.
[01:54:09.460 --> 01:54:18.460]  It's like ABC or NBC or National Propaganda Radio, NPR, whatever.
[01:54:18.460 --> 01:54:22.460]  It's like Genesis Communication Network, the network that Alex Jones is on.
[01:54:22.460 --> 01:54:25.460]  This is a network. This is not a standalone FM station.
[01:54:25.460 --> 01:54:29.460]  Okay, networks have affiliates that are FM and AM stations.
[01:54:29.460 --> 01:54:33.460]  The Logos Network has about a dozen or so AM and FM affiliates.
[01:54:33.460 --> 01:54:38.460]  Genesis obviously has a lot more because they're a much bigger network.
[01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:41.460]  They've been around longer. They have better sponsors.
[01:54:41.460 --> 01:54:45.460]  We're working our way up to that level, folks, with your help we will get there.
[01:54:45.460 --> 01:54:50.460]  But yes, 90.1 is one of the affiliates that carries the Logos Network.
[01:54:50.460 --> 01:54:54.460]  We have about a dozen or so AM and FM stations around the country that carries our network.
[01:54:54.460 --> 01:54:58.460]  So yes, your support of Logos also supports 90.1.
[01:54:58.460 --> 01:55:05.460]  So yes, because without you supporting the network, we can't put this programming on 90.1.
[01:55:05.460 --> 01:55:11.460]  So yes, if you want to see this program and continue on 90.1, please continue to support Logos.
[01:55:11.460 --> 01:55:15.460]  All right, we're running out of time here. We've got Chris from Texas calling in.
[01:55:15.460 --> 01:55:18.460]  Chris, thank you. What is your question or comment tonight?
[01:55:18.460 --> 01:55:22.460]  This call sounds crazy, but it goes back to the concealed thing.
[01:55:22.460 --> 01:55:28.460]  And are there any laws on the book about rifles?
[01:55:28.460 --> 01:55:37.460]  And because I know you used to back in the day, you could drive down the highway with your rack on the back window
[01:55:37.460 --> 01:55:41.460]  and have your rifles just right there.
[01:55:41.460 --> 01:55:48.460]  Well, I actually argued this one on one of my hundred safety classes with a police officer.
[01:55:48.460 --> 01:55:55.460]  What it says is that if that rifle in that gun case now, I don't recommend that.
[01:55:55.460 --> 01:55:57.460]  That's a bad idea because anybody will bust the window.
[01:55:57.460 --> 01:56:00.460]  Maybe if you swap out all the glass for Lexan or something.
[01:56:00.460 --> 01:56:07.460]  But if somebody decides to say, you're carrying that rifle and it scares them,
[01:56:07.460 --> 01:56:11.460]  they will come and they will charge you with terroristic threats, which is a felony,
[01:56:11.460 --> 01:56:14.460]  and they will take away your rights to have a weapon.
[01:56:14.460 --> 01:56:20.460]  But it's still legal. You can still legally put your gun in a gun rack in the back of your truck.
[01:56:20.460 --> 01:56:24.460]  Now what I would recommend though is that you take the folding down seat,
[01:56:24.460 --> 01:56:28.460]  you put a gun rack on the backside of the seat like the game wardens do
[01:56:28.460 --> 01:56:36.460]  or on the roof of the vehicle inside your vehicle, and that's where you carry your weapon.
[01:56:36.460 --> 01:56:38.460]  Where it's not exposed.
[01:56:38.460 --> 01:56:47.460]  See, that's just, I'm telling you, the gun walls, they, you find a way to do it what you think is legally
[01:56:47.460 --> 01:56:51.460]  and they're going to find a way that you're not doing it legally.
[01:56:51.460 --> 01:56:52.460]  All right.
[01:56:52.460 --> 01:56:59.460]  Now here's the last time where I read the statute, if I'm remembering correctly, Chris, tell me if I'm wrong.
[01:56:59.460 --> 01:57:03.460]  If it's a pistol, a handgun, you have to have it hidden.
[01:57:03.460 --> 01:57:05.460]  You have to have it concealed if it's in the car.
[01:57:05.460 --> 01:57:08.460]  If it's a long arm, you don't have to have it concealed, right?
[01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:09.460]  Correct.
[01:57:09.460 --> 01:57:10.460]  Okay, that's what I thought.
[01:57:10.460 --> 01:57:12.460]  Yeah, that's 100% correct.
[01:57:12.460 --> 01:57:17.460]  But the odd difference is if you have it exposed, now it can't be locked.
[01:57:17.460 --> 01:57:25.460]  You can't have a weapon on it or it can't be loaded at the time and it's supposed to be in a locking gun rack.
[01:57:25.460 --> 01:57:31.460]  Now the weapon can still be exposed but you're not supposed to be able to take it out of there without unlocking the actual gun rack.
[01:57:31.460 --> 01:57:35.460]  But yeah, you can absolutely carry it in the back window of your truck.
[01:57:35.460 --> 01:57:39.460]  I guarantee you it won't be there after about three weeks.
[01:57:39.460 --> 01:57:43.460]  Somebody will realize it's there and then they will figure out a way to steal it.
[01:57:43.460 --> 01:57:48.460]  So I was thinking more to the, you know, you're headed out to the hunt, you know, to the hunt blind.
[01:57:48.460 --> 01:57:50.460]  You know, you're heading out to where you go hunt that.
[01:57:50.460 --> 01:57:56.460]  You've got the rocket right there loaded ready to go in the back, in the window.
[01:57:56.460 --> 01:58:02.460]  As long as there's not one in the chamber, because one in the chamber they consider it reckless.
[01:58:02.460 --> 01:58:05.460]  No, what if it's a handgun? Can it be loaded?
[01:58:05.460 --> 01:58:11.460]  Not necessarily in the chamber, but can you have rounds in the magazine with a handgun concealed in the car?
[01:58:11.460 --> 01:58:12.460]  Yes.
[01:58:12.460 --> 01:58:13.460]  Okay, that's what I thought.
[01:58:13.460 --> 01:58:16.460]  And you can actually have one in the chamber with the safety on in your holster.
[01:58:16.460 --> 01:58:20.460]  But you can't have a long arm loaded in the car.
[01:58:20.460 --> 01:58:25.460]  And you have to have the pistol concealed but you don't have to have a long arm concealed.
[01:58:25.460 --> 01:58:28.460]  I mean, what kind of ridiculousness is this?
[01:58:28.460 --> 01:58:32.460]  That's what all gun laws are. They are absolutely ridiculous.
[01:58:32.460 --> 01:58:33.460]  It's stupid.
[01:58:33.460 --> 01:58:36.460]  They can't be just common sense, but they're getting pretty crazy.
[01:58:36.460 --> 01:58:40.460]  All right, well, listen, we're out of time. Chris, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
[01:58:40.460 --> 01:58:42.460]  And thank you for your support of the network.
[01:58:42.460 --> 01:58:43.460]  My pleasure.
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