[00:00.000 --> 00:07.000]  A cup of Joe may keep your eyes open during late night study sessions, but that's not
[00:07.000 --> 00:09.800]  all it may be doing to your exhausted eyes.
[00:09.800 --> 00:14.440]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back with some bad news about coffee and the health of your
[00:14.440 --> 00:16.840]  vision after this.
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[00:45.800 --> 00:47.080]  Coffee's got lots of perks.
[00:47.080 --> 00:52.160]  It lowers the risk of type 2 diabetes, colon cancer, gallstones, and Parkinson's disease.
[00:52.160 --> 00:57.840]  But a new study shows drinking too much can increase your chances for something else,
[00:57.840 --> 01:01.240]  glaucoma, the second leading cause of blindness.
[01:01.240 --> 01:05.600]  Harvard researchers looked at decades of data from tens of thousands of people and found
[01:05.600 --> 01:10.240]  that adults who drank three or more cups of coffee a day were a third more likely to develop
[01:10.240 --> 01:14.840]  glaucoma, a crippling disease that damages the optic nerve.
[01:14.840 --> 01:16.800]  It's apparently not the caffeine.
[01:16.800 --> 01:21.760]  The study found no link at all between glaucoma and other caffeinated beverages.
[01:21.760 --> 01:23.960]  So in that case, how about a spot of tea?
[01:23.960 --> 01:33.280]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[01:33.280 --> 01:38.280]  Online video gaming is big business in China, but now Beijing is imposing limits on how
[01:38.280 --> 01:40.040]  long citizens can play.
[01:40.040 --> 01:44.680]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back to discuss gaming addiction and the Big Brother nanny
[01:44.680 --> 01:47.000]  stage next.
[01:47.000 --> 01:48.720]  Privacy is under attack.
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[02:16.400 --> 02:21.840]  In China, more than 20 million citizens spend half a billion dollars a year in smoky cyber
[02:21.840 --> 02:26.720]  cafes lost in the virtual world of multiplayer role-playing.
[02:26.720 --> 02:31.440]  It's so popular that Beijing is trying to prevent addiction to online gaming by imposing
[02:31.440 --> 02:34.480]  limits on how long citizens can play.
[02:34.480 --> 02:38.960]  If they play more than three hours straight, their characters' in-game abilities go down.
[02:38.960 --> 02:42.440]  To get those abilities back, players must take a five-hour break.
[02:42.440 --> 02:47.800]  I'm all for parents doing this because no kid should waste his life in virtual combat,
[02:47.800 --> 02:52.840]  but for the government to monitor and control people's use of their own computers is just
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[04:36.520 --> 04:54.480]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, and bad girls, what are you going to do when we come for
[04:54.480 --> 05:17.640]  this?
[05:17.640 --> 05:25.240]  Mr. Harmon Taylor on again with Mr. Ron Avery and they are going to be discussing this issue
[05:25.240 --> 05:31.240]  and others other issues at greater lengths, but I wanted to bring Harmon on first tonight.
[05:31.240 --> 05:37.880]  But before we go to the topic at hand, first I wanted to remind folks, we are having a
[05:37.880 --> 05:41.720]  fundraiser right now on LogosRadioNetwork.com.
[05:41.720 --> 05:46.960]  We have spent a considerable amount of money over this past year.
[05:46.960 --> 05:50.040]  We have dipped into our own pockets to stay on the air.
[05:50.040 --> 05:55.280]  We've had some equipment failures that we have had to pay for in emergency situations
[05:55.280 --> 06:01.040]  to get things back up and running, to stay on the air, to keep bringing you folks this
[06:01.040 --> 06:02.760]  very valuable information.
[06:02.760 --> 06:04.000]  We hope to consider it valuable.
[06:04.000 --> 06:09.520]  We consider it valuable and folks, the operating expenses keep going up.
[06:09.520 --> 06:16.160]  We need to upgrade more equipment and so we are having a fundraiser now.
[06:16.160 --> 06:20.400]  We have a perk to the fundraiser now.
[06:20.400 --> 06:28.040]  One of our very devoted listeners who is a distributor for the Purium Health Products,
[06:28.040 --> 06:33.240]  folks out there may have heard of this company, Joyce Riley on the Power Hour, I believe she's
[06:33.240 --> 06:34.240]  a distributor.
[06:34.240 --> 06:39.480]  Well, one of our listeners, one of our devoted fans is a Purium distributor and her name
[06:39.480 --> 06:51.520]  is Tracy Downs and she has donated to us 10 $50 gift cards for the Purium Health Products.
[06:51.520 --> 07:01.800]  What we are offering now is for the very next 10 people who donate $50 or more to the fundraiser,
[07:01.800 --> 07:09.240]  you will get a $50 gift card for free for the Purium Health Products.
[07:09.240 --> 07:12.320]  We are not selling these gift cards.
[07:12.320 --> 07:16.040]  I just want to make that clear, we are not selling gift cards here.
[07:16.040 --> 07:17.120]  They are gift cards.
[07:17.120 --> 07:22.200]  We are giving them away for free and we are giving them away for free to people who donate
[07:22.200 --> 07:25.600]  at least $50 or more, the first 10 people.
[07:25.600 --> 07:31.800]  If this goes over well, we will be having the opportunity to purchase additional gift
[07:31.800 --> 07:37.760]  cards to offer for additional folks who may want to donate to the fundraiser.
[07:37.760 --> 07:42.480]  For starters, we have got 10 of them and so first come, first serve folks.
[07:42.480 --> 07:49.560]  The first 10 people who donate $50 or more starting from now will get a free $50 gift
[07:49.560 --> 07:54.040]  card for the Purium Health Products and folks, there is a lot of good stuff that they have
[07:54.040 --> 07:56.440]  and this is nothing against young Jevvie.
[07:56.440 --> 07:58.800]  Young Jevvie has great stuff.
[07:58.800 --> 08:00.360]  Purium has different kinds of things.
[08:00.360 --> 08:10.400]  They have like meal drinks, spirulina, mixes, anabolic fasting packs and anti-aging packs
[08:10.400 --> 08:12.880]  and things like this.
[08:12.880 --> 08:17.880]  Their line of health products is a little bit different from young Jevvie.
[08:17.880 --> 08:22.520]  It looks like great stuff, I would love to have some of all of it.
[08:22.520 --> 08:28.400]  Anyway, I just wanted to let folks know that and also this is an opportunity for people
[08:28.400 --> 08:32.260]  to help with the fundraiser.
[08:32.260 --> 08:37.680]  If you want to become a Purium distributor, you can apply.
[08:37.680 --> 08:42.120]  If you want to donate $50, you can get your $50 gift card to Purium.
[08:42.120 --> 08:49.720]  You can use that to apply it to purchasing a distributor package to become a Purium distributor
[08:49.720 --> 08:55.840]  yourself and in that distributor package, you will get 10 gift cards of your own and
[08:55.840 --> 09:00.960]  if you want to help with the fundraiser, that is an option that you could pursue and then
[09:00.960 --> 09:08.400]  you could donate the gift cards that you would purchase to us as well to continue this wonderful
[09:08.400 --> 09:10.960]  giveaway, I would say.
[09:10.960 --> 09:15.560]  If you want more information on how you could help with the fundraiser by becoming a Purium
[09:15.560 --> 09:23.840]  distributor and donating gift cards, then you could contact me via email debora at ruleoflawradio.com
[09:23.840 --> 09:29.000]  but if you just want to donate the $50 and get a $50 gift card to buy some excellent
[09:29.000 --> 09:37.360]  health products, just go to logosradionetwork.com, click on the chip in and if you need to mail
[09:37.360 --> 09:43.720]  me a check, then you can email me and I will give you the address for that.
[09:43.720 --> 09:47.520]  So I hope this will help kickstart everyone.
[09:47.520 --> 09:50.960]  These will make great stocking stuffers or if you don't want to give them away, you could
[09:50.960 --> 09:56.320]  spend them on yourself, so I just wanted to put that out there that we now have a perk
[09:56.320 --> 09:58.760]  on the fundraiser.
[09:58.760 --> 10:07.120]  So all right, without further ado, we are going to go to, without further ado, we are
[10:07.120 --> 10:14.440]  going, okay, hold on one moment, it looks like we've got a situation here, it looks like
[10:14.440 --> 10:20.280]  Randy has dropped off the line, I'm going to try to get him back on here real quick.
[10:20.280 --> 10:21.280]  Sorry folks.
[10:21.280 --> 10:22.280]  Randy, are you back?
[10:22.280 --> 10:23.280]  I'm back.
[10:23.280 --> 10:24.280]  Okay, all right.
[10:24.280 --> 10:25.280]  Randy is back.
[10:25.280 --> 10:30.520]  All right, without further ado, we are going to turn the floor over to Harman Taylor here
[10:30.520 --> 10:36.160]  who is going to continue the conversation about succession versus dissolution and he wants
[10:36.160 --> 10:37.160]  to give a little background.
[10:37.160 --> 10:39.760]  So Harman, thank you for joining us again tonight.
[10:39.760 --> 10:45.080]  Good evening, thanks for having me, it's always a pleasure to be here.
[10:45.080 --> 10:48.480]  We love to have you on, you're our favorite guest.
[10:48.480 --> 10:50.440]  By far, back by popular demand.
[10:50.440 --> 10:56.120]  Okay, so Harman, you said before the show, leading into the show that there are two aspects
[10:56.120 --> 11:02.000]  to this whole succession issue, one from the point of view of the state, one from the point
[11:02.000 --> 11:07.600]  of view of the individual and so we're going to be discussing those two topics tonight and
[11:07.600 --> 11:09.840]  then taking your calls later.
[11:09.840 --> 11:12.840]  So go ahead Harman, take it away.
[11:12.840 --> 11:19.800]  The concept of succession of course deals with what an entity called a state does or
[11:19.800 --> 11:26.640]  doesn't do and of course to secede is to be a member of a group that exists.
[11:26.640 --> 11:34.480]  So the concept that we have from history is that the South wanted to secede and in fact
[11:34.480 --> 11:39.280]  did secede in a practical sense.
[11:39.280 --> 11:44.640]  The legal sense we'll get into in a minute, in a practical sense the South left and the
[11:44.640 --> 11:52.560]  North said we're at war and that's correct in its analysis.
[11:52.560 --> 12:00.200]  Let's talk early on about this concept of states, rights, it's been misunderstood from
[12:00.200 --> 12:08.920]  the beginning and I think the whole discussion here is benefited by a foundational understanding
[12:08.920 --> 12:15.520]  of some of these very historic concepts that have been misunderstood from the beginning
[12:15.520 --> 12:22.200]  but in general, to secede is to leave the group, to secede is to leave the group, what's
[12:22.200 --> 12:29.160]  the group made of states and I'm going to get into that also, how we know that this
[12:29.160 --> 12:38.720]  is a state matter rather than something else and that will of course take all the calls
[12:38.720 --> 12:44.240]  that we want to, what I'm thinking we can do is focus on the states until we get that
[12:44.240 --> 12:49.280]  covered and then the individuals, if that takes an hour each then that's fine.
[12:49.280 --> 12:54.240]  States rights, let's just start with that.
[12:54.240 --> 13:03.440]  The concept on the formation of the organization at the national level comes in two types,
[13:03.440 --> 13:10.560]  two flavors if you will, two different theories on what happened nationally and we'll get
[13:10.560 --> 13:18.480]  into which one is actually what happened and that adds some more understanding to secession
[13:18.480 --> 13:26.720]  as a concept, the two different ways that we can look at what happened nationally is
[13:26.720 --> 13:30.920]  one is that it's a compact.
[13:30.920 --> 13:40.520]  When states interact the concept is federal, when states interact they interact federally,
[13:40.520 --> 13:46.960]  the representatives of the states get together, they decide what they're going to do mutually
[13:46.960 --> 13:49.280]  and the correct term for that is federal.
[13:49.280 --> 13:55.440]  In that context where we are talking about independent bodies politic whether by the
[13:55.440 --> 14:01.800]  name of a nation or by the name of a commonwealth, the label is federal and in that context it
[14:01.800 --> 14:13.600]  means by compact, C-O-M-P-A-C-T or treaty, by compact or by treaty.
[14:13.600 --> 14:22.040]  The articles of confederation are the ideal example of treaty-based interaction.
[14:22.040 --> 14:27.480]  The states formulated it and there's no question that the states formulated it.
[14:27.480 --> 14:35.280]  They went in as states without any ifs ands or buts about it and the question in the constitutional
[14:35.280 --> 14:43.320]  convention was are we going to improve on that agreement or scrap that and start something
[14:43.320 --> 14:44.840]  different.
[14:44.840 --> 14:51.640]  Fundamentally the parties that form the articles of confederation are states so that's a federal
[14:51.640 --> 14:56.480]  arrangements by compact or by treaty.
[14:56.480 --> 15:02.760]  The other theory about what happened at the national level is that the constitution didn't
[15:02.760 --> 15:11.120]  form a treaty but formed law and it's one or the other.
[15:11.120 --> 15:20.040]  The supreme court has been extremely consistent in this regard in calling it a compact and
[15:20.040 --> 15:25.160]  that of course is the correct way to view what happened at the national level.
[15:25.160 --> 15:32.560]  So the two perspectives, the constitution is either a treaty or it's law, fundamentally
[15:32.560 --> 15:43.440]  it was never law and as a compact which is the correct way to view it, this national
[15:43.440 --> 15:50.480]  change accomplished one thing legally, it accomplished one thing.
[15:50.480 --> 15:57.800]  What is that one thing that the compact formed through the constitutional convention did?
[15:57.800 --> 16:04.200]  The one thing that the constitution accomplished was setting aside the articles of confederation.
[16:04.200 --> 16:07.320]  That's what the constitution accomplished.
[16:07.320 --> 16:16.120]  It's a compact, it's not law, it's a compact and so we get into the understanding then
[16:16.120 --> 16:21.160]  that if we're going to view that language as anything, we're going to view it as an
[16:21.160 --> 16:23.760]  agreement between the states.
[16:23.760 --> 16:26.000]  Okay, what does that mean?
[16:26.000 --> 16:33.360]  That means theoretically the states are either going to violate a law to get out of it or
[16:33.360 --> 16:36.640]  they're going to breach the deal to get out of it.
[16:36.640 --> 16:41.920]  So when we get to the concept of secession, we can talk theoretically and I'm going to
[16:41.920 --> 16:46.120]  right now, talk theoretically about the two views on it.
[16:46.120 --> 16:47.120]  It's a compact.
[16:47.120 --> 16:51.280]  Okay, all right, we'll have to talk about the two views on the other side of the break.
[16:51.280 --> 16:54.600]  Folks, we're here with a very special guest, Harmon Taylor.
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[20:06.720 --> 20:08.720]  This is the rule of law.
[20:08.720 --> 20:14.720]  Again, tonight is December 6, Thursday, December 6, 2012.
[20:14.720 --> 20:23.720]  We are here with our very special guest, Mr. Harmon Taylor, who is on to give a follow-up about secession versus dissolution.
[20:23.720 --> 20:30.720]  This is a topic that we are going to be continuing on an ongoing basis with Mr. Ron Avery.
[20:30.720 --> 20:36.720]  But I wanted to bring Harmon on first to give a little bit of background so he could finish presenting some of his viewpoint
[20:36.720 --> 20:39.720]  that he was not able to finish presenting last week.
[20:39.720 --> 20:45.720]  And then we'll bring both Ron and Harmon on again together in a month or so.
[20:45.720 --> 20:49.720]  All right, so when we went to break, you're talking about the secession versus dissolution.
[20:49.720 --> 20:55.720]  With secession, there's two ways to get out of this compact. Please continue.
[20:55.720 --> 21:02.720]  Right. If we view it as a compact, then what we've got is an agreement.
[21:02.720 --> 21:09.720]  And from that point of view, there's no out clause.
[21:09.720 --> 21:17.720]  This language provided no out. There's no other option.
[21:17.720 --> 21:20.720]  It is a one-way turnstile.
[21:20.720 --> 21:26.720]  Commercial agreements properly done will have something in the way of an out clause.
[21:26.720 --> 21:29.720]  It wasn't contemplated here. It was never part of the concept.
[21:29.720 --> 21:36.720]  It was intended to be a union of everyone here, fundamentally for mutual defense, but not exclusively that.
[21:36.720 --> 21:44.720]  So viewed from the compact side of things, which it is, this is the correct way to view this,
[21:44.720 --> 21:56.720]  from the compact side for a state to say, see ya, is for that state literally to declare an act of war against the rest of them.
[21:56.720 --> 22:01.720]  Why? Because all of them are mutually dependent for their defense.
[22:01.720 --> 22:07.720]  It's the fundamental reason for the union in the first place is mutual defense.
[22:07.720 --> 22:17.720]  So for one to go away is for that one potentially to be with the opposition and right there in everyone's backyard.
[22:17.720 --> 22:25.720]  So it's literally an act of war for a state to say, out of this agreement, which has no out clause,
[22:25.720 --> 22:27.720]  it's an act of war.
[22:27.720 --> 22:38.720]  Now from this point of view in the area of states' rights, the question is, does a state have a right to breach the deal?
[22:38.720 --> 22:44.720]  Is there a right in the state to breach the agreement?
[22:44.720 --> 22:47.720]  Here's the thing about entities.
[22:47.720 --> 22:52.720]  An entity is fundamentally an agency.
[22:52.720 --> 22:58.720]  It's an agent of the people who created the entity.
[22:58.720 --> 23:04.720]  So the corporation, for example, actually can, it's an independent party.
[23:04.720 --> 23:12.720]  It's an independent legal thing, but it has no more authority than the people who created it.
[23:12.720 --> 23:25.720]  So in that manner, a government system will act on behalf of the people who created it or the entities who created it.
[23:25.720 --> 23:33.720]  A state has no more authority, no more rights than the party who created it.
[23:33.720 --> 23:49.720]  So what that means then fundamentally is if the people had a right to breach contracts, then it would be at least possible for an entity that the people to create could then breach contracts.
[23:49.720 --> 24:01.720]  As a follow-on entity, it has no more authority than the people who created it, and since the people who created it have no right to breach a deal,
[24:01.720 --> 24:06.720]  none of the things they would create have a right to breach a deal.
[24:06.720 --> 24:16.720]  Now in the very next breath, in the very next breath, there may be a duty to breach the deal.
[24:16.720 --> 24:23.720]  I'll come in on that on the energy side in a heartbeat.
[24:23.720 --> 24:34.720]  If the deal turns out to be going really bad and we didn't think enough ahead of time to create for ourselves an out clause, then we got a problem.
[24:34.720 --> 24:41.720]  We got a really serious problem that doesn't mean that breach is totally out of the question.
[24:41.720 --> 24:47.720]  It's just a question of how is it to be viewed legally.
[24:47.720 --> 24:53.720]  Legally, a state no more has a right to breach the deal than any of the people who created it.
[24:53.720 --> 24:57.720]  Okay, that doesn't mean the state doesn't have a duty.
[24:57.720 --> 25:03.720]  The state very well may have a duty to breach the deal.
[25:03.720 --> 25:09.720]  We just need to understand that that's how to view it legally, not as a right, but perhaps as a duty.
[25:09.720 --> 25:25.720]  And when the state exercises the duty to say, oops, this is really going the wrong direction, we can no longer support this union, then that is an act of war against the other members of that union.
[25:25.720 --> 25:36.720]  So on the state's rights side, viewing the matter as it should be, which is as a compact, then the question is, does the state have a right to breach the deal?
[25:36.720 --> 25:39.720]  The answer, of course, is no.
[25:39.720 --> 25:45.720]  State has no more right than the people who created the state to breach anything.
[25:45.720 --> 25:47.720]  That's the state's rights issue on that.
[25:47.720 --> 25:48.720]  There's another way to view it.
[25:48.720 --> 25:50.720]  This is the theoretical side.
[25:50.720 --> 25:55.720]  We talk about this fundamentally for completeness.
[25:55.720 --> 26:11.720]  If the Constitution had in fact been enacted as law, then we've got an issue of law, can a state that participates in the creating of the law break the law?
[26:11.720 --> 26:14.720]  Can a state subject to the law break it?
[26:14.720 --> 26:20.720]  And again, we're saying, is there a right to break the law, a right to break the law?
[26:20.720 --> 26:21.720]  No.
[26:21.720 --> 26:29.720]  The people don't have a right to break the law, and so the things that they create don't have any more rights than that.
[26:29.720 --> 26:35.720]  So the state doesn't have a right to violate the law.
[26:35.720 --> 26:38.720]  So again, we're into state's rights.
[26:38.720 --> 26:41.720]  The state has no right to breach the deal.
[26:41.720 --> 26:47.720]  State has no right to violate the law if it were a law.
[26:47.720 --> 26:55.720]  And so the whole concept of state's rights is greatly misunderstood and greatly misplaced.
[26:55.720 --> 26:57.720]  There was never a right.
[26:57.720 --> 27:00.720]  This is talking from a fourth generation Texan understand.
[27:00.720 --> 27:13.720]  They've got a lot of sympathy with the southern position a lot and has a lot to do with who's going to be taxed for what and how much of the south is going to be, let's say, pilfered.
[27:13.720 --> 27:17.720]  That's a strong term, but it's not without basis.
[27:17.720 --> 27:22.720]  Let's say the north was pilfering the state to pay for the northern financial circumstance.
[27:22.720 --> 27:24.720]  The state says, no, thank you.
[27:24.720 --> 27:26.720]  That's not part of the deal.
[27:26.720 --> 27:29.720]  The state says, you can live with your own problems.
[27:29.720 --> 27:34.720]  So the state says, we're not playing this game anymore and leaves.
[27:34.720 --> 27:35.720]  OK.
[27:35.720 --> 27:38.720]  Then not a right to do that.
[27:38.720 --> 27:42.720]  There may be a duty to do it, but there's not a right to do it.
[27:42.720 --> 27:46.720]  So that's long and short on state's rights.
[27:46.720 --> 27:48.720]  Well, Harman, I have a question.
[27:48.720 --> 28:04.720]  OK, so are you saying that in this compact, it was not built into the compact that the members could decide to leave their membership or turn in their membership card, so to speak, if they so chose for any reason?
[28:04.720 --> 28:05.720]  That's exactly right.
[28:05.720 --> 28:06.720]  OK.
[28:06.720 --> 28:08.720]  There's not an escape clause.
[28:08.720 --> 28:13.720]  There's no out in this, and how would it be?
[28:13.720 --> 28:25.720]  It would be something to the effect of if, after such and such a time, a state wants to get out of the deal, then they'd give notice or pay some kind of deal, and they'd be released.
[28:25.720 --> 28:33.720]  It'd be language to that effect, whether it's two or three sentences or two or three paragraphs or two or three pages.
[28:33.720 --> 28:39.720]  It would be that sort of concept, and of course, it's just simply not there.
[28:39.720 --> 28:46.720]  So there's no out clause, which means no right to leave.
[28:46.720 --> 28:47.720]  Duty maybe.
[28:47.720 --> 28:50.720]  OK, we can argue about that.
[28:50.720 --> 28:54.720]  Come down real hard on saying, yeah, there was a duty to end that.
[28:54.720 --> 29:00.720]  But that does create an act of war.
[29:00.720 --> 29:06.720]  That's exactly what was generated, was a war.
[29:06.720 --> 29:12.720]  So there's an overview of the foundation of this.
[29:12.720 --> 29:16.720]  There's plenty more to talk about on the foundation side of this.
[29:16.720 --> 29:23.720]  But if we're going to view this for what it is, then we need to view it as a compact.
[29:23.720 --> 29:27.720]  And in that compact, it accomplished one thing.
[29:27.720 --> 29:30.720]  It accomplished the setting aside of the Articles of Confederation.
[29:30.720 --> 29:32.720]  It didn't do anything else.
[29:32.720 --> 29:37.720]  So we've been dealing with the commercial system from the beginning.
[29:37.720 --> 29:39.720]  All right, very good.
[29:39.720 --> 29:41.720]  We've been dealing with the commercial system from the beginning.
[29:41.720 --> 29:46.720]  We're going to talk more about that on the other side and why Harmon is saying that's the case.
[29:46.720 --> 29:52.720]  Why he's saying that it was a commercial system from the beginning, never a lawful entity.
[29:52.720 --> 29:55.720]  So we'll be right back on the other side.
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[32:32.720 --> 32:35.720]  Thursday, December 6, 2012.
[32:35.720 --> 32:40.720]  And before we have Harman continue, I just want to back up a little bit.
[32:40.720 --> 32:43.720]  I didn't really properly introduce him last week.
[32:43.720 --> 32:50.720]  Harman has done many shows with us, and so a lot of our listenership is familiar with him and who he is.
[32:50.720 --> 32:56.720]  But for those who are new to the show and who are new to Mr. Harman Taylor,
[32:56.720 --> 33:03.720]  I do feel that I need to back up a little bit and give a little bit of background of our very good friend, Harman Taylor,
[33:03.720 --> 33:07.720]  because some people may be thinking, well, who is this guy?
[33:07.720 --> 33:09.720]  And what is he talking about?
[33:09.720 --> 33:14.720]  And where does he get these notions or concepts or things like this?
[33:14.720 --> 33:15.720]  Where is he getting all this?
[33:15.720 --> 33:19.720]  It sounds like some kind of legal theorist or something like that.
[33:19.720 --> 33:22.720]  Okay, folks, Harman is not a legal theorist.
[33:22.720 --> 33:25.720]  He didn't just come up with this stuff out of the blue.
[33:25.720 --> 33:32.720]  Harman Taylor is a very accomplished, practiced attorney.
[33:32.720 --> 33:38.720]  He was a bar card-carrying attorney for 14 years in the state of Texas,
[33:38.720 --> 33:43.720]  and he was licensed to practice in the federal courts.
[33:43.720 --> 33:48.720]  He has handled many cases all the way up through the Supreme Court,
[33:48.720 --> 33:50.720]  handled many Supreme Court cases.
[33:50.720 --> 33:56.720]  He turned in his bar card back in around 03, 04,
[33:56.720 --> 34:02.720]  because he realized the nature of the system, that it was a corrupt system,
[34:02.720 --> 34:06.720]  and he did not want to be part of that system anymore.
[34:06.720 --> 34:12.720]  And where he is coming up with what he's telling you tonight and what he has always told you
[34:12.720 --> 34:18.720]  is from years and years of, well, Harman may call it sometimes a padded 2x4,
[34:18.720 --> 34:22.720]  sometimes a steel-toed kick to the head.
[34:22.720 --> 34:26.720]  Okay, the School of Hard Knocks, so to speak,
[34:26.720 --> 34:32.720]  as an attorney through much litigation, Harman has learned these lessons.
[34:32.720 --> 34:37.720]  All right, so if anybody knows what they're talking about here,
[34:37.720 --> 34:40.720]  it's Harman Taylor because he's had a career in it,
[34:40.720 --> 34:45.720]  and like I said, he's learned these lessons from the Supreme Court,
[34:45.720 --> 34:51.720]  from the appellate courts, through the padded 2x4s,
[34:51.720 --> 34:55.720]  and the steel-toed kick to the head, et cetera, et cetera,
[34:55.720 --> 34:59.720]  and victories, of course, so basically through the trials of,
[34:59.720 --> 35:04.720]  no pun intended, of being an attorney, wins, losses, et cetera,
[35:04.720 --> 35:08.720]  he has figured out how this whole game works.
[35:08.720 --> 35:13.720]  And so I strongly advise people out there, not giving legal advice,
[35:13.720 --> 35:18.720]  but I strongly advise you to take heed to what Harman Taylor is saying.
[35:18.720 --> 35:22.720]  So that is my brief introduction of Harman Taylor.
[35:22.720 --> 35:25.720]  If you want to know more, you can search the archives.
[35:25.720 --> 35:31.720]  We did almost entire, I would say, four-hour show on Harman's background,
[35:31.720 --> 35:36.720]  especially this Terre Haute litigation involving the Timothy McVeigh,
[35:36.720 --> 35:41.720]  Oklahoma City case, trying to get a stay of execution so they could depose him,
[35:41.720 --> 35:42.720]  et cetera, et cetera.
[35:42.720 --> 35:44.720]  We're not going to get into all that tonight.
[35:44.720 --> 35:47.720]  You can listen to that archive to find out more.
[35:47.720 --> 35:50.720]  So I just wanted to give that brief background before we continue.
[35:50.720 --> 35:54.720]  So folks out there will have an idea of who they're dealing with
[35:54.720 --> 35:56.720]  when you deal with Harman Taylor.
[35:56.720 --> 36:00.720]  Okay, Harman, was that an adequate, accurate introduction?
[36:00.720 --> 36:02.720]  Sure, that's great.
[36:02.720 --> 36:05.720]  I appreciate the background there.
[36:05.720 --> 36:12.720]  Yeah, the Terre Haute litigation in June of 2001 was a career changer.
[36:12.720 --> 36:20.720]  And after studying into the rest of what that case compelled the study into,
[36:20.720 --> 36:28.720]  the decision had to be made either to go with what one learns about God and Scripture
[36:28.720 --> 36:35.720]  or support a system that exists totally to deny and defy God.
[36:35.720 --> 36:38.720]  So that decision's made.
[36:38.720 --> 36:40.720]  And here we are.
[36:40.720 --> 36:45.720]  So the concept then that we're talking about is succession.
[36:45.720 --> 36:54.720]  We're talking about one entity that's a member of a group terminating that group membership.
[36:54.720 --> 37:02.720]  And since there's no out clause for a state to leave is for a state to commit an act of war.
[37:02.720 --> 37:09.720]  We went through all of that in the Civil War time period, essentially what's at issue there.
[37:09.720 --> 37:20.720]  We've got so much upset nationwide, so much that the concept is, okay, we need to leave Washington.
[37:20.720 --> 37:26.720]  Whatever they're doing there, whatever they're smoking for breakfast, it's really messing with their heads.
[37:26.720 --> 37:29.720]  The people are on the short end of the stick.
[37:29.720 --> 37:40.720]  Surely there have to be wiser, more informed pro-America, pro-God policies other than the ones that seem to be shoved down our throats.
[37:40.720 --> 37:48.720]  And hence, after the alleged reelection, and I say it that way because I don't think we know how the vote came out.
[37:48.720 --> 37:49.720]  I really don't.
[37:49.720 --> 37:51.720]  I think it's pre-programmed.
[37:51.720 --> 37:59.720]  I think they knew a year ahead of time when the electronic voting machines went out, how the result was going to be.
[37:59.720 --> 38:06.720]  And we have what the machine tells us, not necessarily what the people said.
[38:06.720 --> 38:14.720]  So regardless about that, divine intervention says we have what we're supposed to have at that level.
[38:14.720 --> 38:23.720]  And what we have is a system that seems committed to, in a sense, self-destruction.
[38:23.720 --> 38:31.720]  If these people claim to be America and pro-America, and I'm not sure they do claim that, but to be in a leadership organization,
[38:31.720 --> 38:39.720]  one would think one would want to be in a leadership organization to support and benefit the organization they want to take the reins for.
[38:39.720 --> 38:47.720]  That group of people out of Washington seem to be extremely committed on destroying this nation from within.
[38:47.720 --> 38:57.720]  Those of us outside of that seeing that general policy going on for decades now are sick of it.
[38:57.720 --> 39:03.720]  What then does the populace say about that?
[39:03.720 --> 39:12.720]  And there was the immediate, the guy that started those here in Arlington, I say here in North Texas, and of course it caught on rapidly.
[39:12.720 --> 39:16.720]  I don't know what the latest count is on that petition.
[39:16.720 --> 39:28.720]  Last time I was in on it, on the confirmed count, it was about 675,000 people across the nation signing this or that or another petition saying we're out of here.
[39:28.720 --> 39:41.720]  The news gathers those people by state for the reason that secession is nominally a state organization activity.
[39:41.720 --> 39:46.720]  And we have no different a situation now as before.
[39:46.720 --> 39:50.720]  There's no promoted out clause.
[39:50.720 --> 39:53.720]  There's no promoted out clause.
[39:53.720 --> 40:04.720]  And right before we went to break Harman, you were about to talk about the fact that this whole system was commercial system from the beginning.
[40:04.720 --> 40:06.720]  And you're about to explain why.
[40:06.720 --> 40:12.720]  Yeah, from the outset, we have never had what has been marketed to have.
[40:12.720 --> 40:17.720]  And this is one of the worst paradigm shift concepts that I teach.
[40:17.720 --> 40:24.720]  It's an unfortunate thing to have to learn. It's what I learned through the terror litigation.
[40:24.720 --> 40:37.720]  And to make that story very short, they described a 100% pure constitution based position as frivolous without merit.
[40:37.720 --> 40:43.720]  The key one of no authority and for ludicrous.
[40:43.720 --> 40:55.720]  We read through the opinion. We find those descriptions in that sequence in the in the appellate opinion there that took hold in the mind immediately.
[40:55.720 --> 41:09.720]  And from that moment forward, there have been two very sure things that I could stand up before any group and before God and all other witnesses assembled and say,
[41:09.720 --> 41:14.720]  we have no states and we have no constitution.
[41:14.720 --> 41:27.720]  What that compelled, that's about September 11, a little after that, actually, what the June decision compelled after recovery from it was,
[41:27.720 --> 41:30.720]  okay, it's very clear we don't have a constitution.
[41:30.720 --> 41:34.720]  Now, when exactly did it cease to exist?
[41:34.720 --> 41:49.720]  So we trace back, we trace back, we trace back, we go to such events as Civil War and seen a die termination of the events there, the closing down of business at that point.
[41:49.720 --> 41:55.720]  But to say that that's when it ended is to presume that there was something there to begin with.
[41:55.720 --> 42:08.720]  And we can go back and we can go back and we can go back. The earliest deviation that was really apparent was that of the vote.
[42:08.720 --> 42:16.720]  The procedure in article two talks about how the electoral colleges supposed to function.
[42:16.720 --> 42:23.720]  And we have not been on the article to plan since the 1824 election.
[42:23.720 --> 42:28.720]  Oh, yeah, we got electoral college and it's doing this and it's doing that. No.
[42:28.720 --> 42:32.720]  No, we don't have an electoral college and that's instantly obvious to prove.
[42:32.720 --> 42:38.720]  There's no political party affiliation anywhere mentioned in the Constitution.
[42:38.720 --> 42:45.720]  At the time of the formation of that language, political parties were properly considered of as an anathema.
[42:45.720 --> 42:49.720]  They were the disaster waiting for a time to happen.
[42:49.720 --> 42:56.720]  Nothing was favorable in the minds of the founders about political parties that changed not long after it started.
[42:56.720 --> 43:00.720]  But at the time they were talking about it, they wanted nothing to do with them.
[43:00.720 --> 43:05.720]  We find no political party affiliation requirement for any elector.
[43:05.720 --> 43:09.720]  An elector is a national office. It's created by the Constitution.
[43:09.720 --> 43:22.720]  If it's created at all, it's created by the Constitution, makes it a national office, which means there's no state that's got the authority to change the criteria for the office.
[43:22.720 --> 43:32.720]  If we had the electoral college process at all, then it would be impossible as a matter of law to add a political party affiliation.
[43:32.720 --> 43:41.720]  And that's all we've got now. You can't be an elector without first being a party member.
[43:41.720 --> 43:46.720]  All right. We will be back in just a few moments, folks.
[43:46.720 --> 43:50.720]  On the other side, this is the rule of law. We're here with Harman Taylor.
[43:50.720 --> 44:03.720]  We're talking about succession versus the solution. We'll be right back.
[44:20.720 --> 44:23.720]  Aaron Mellon also overheard one agent say to another, quote,
[44:23.720 --> 44:26.720]  Is that why we got the page to not come in today, end quote,
[44:26.720 --> 44:29.720]  Crus Professor says, interview on KSNL TV.
[44:29.720 --> 44:31.720]  He was also told by ATF agents.
[44:31.720 --> 44:34.720]  They CDs to not coming to work.
[44:34.720 --> 44:40.720]  The ATF initially denied these claims, and now variously claim that one of their agents was in a free falling elevator,
[44:40.720 --> 44:45.720]  which has been disproven or that they've been in an all night stakeout or that they had been in a golf tournament,
[44:45.720 --> 44:47.720]  as they try to sort out their lives.
[44:47.720 --> 44:52.880]  All we want to know is, did the ATF receive a warning, and if so, why did they not pass
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[46:26.560 --> 46:54.560]  Okay folks, we are back. This is the rule of law. Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens. We are here with Harmon Taylor tonight.
[46:54.560 --> 47:10.560]  He is continuing the discussion on secession versus dissolution, and he is in the process of explaining why this entire setup of the Constitution, etc., is not a creation by law, but rather a creation by commercial agreement.
[47:10.560 --> 47:22.560]  And we have a caller on the line, and according to my call screener, it looks like the caller's question is on topic with this particular explanation that Harmon is giving right now.
[47:22.560 --> 47:30.560]  So we're going to take the call. Johnny from Texas, thank you for calling in tonight. What is your question for Harmon Taylor?
[47:30.560 --> 47:44.560]  Hey guys. Well, I have a couple of questions and a couple of comments. Harmon, you're talking about the rights of the state and the duties imposed by the state.
[47:44.560 --> 47:56.560]  First of all, I'd like for you to clarify exactly what you're talking about when you use the word state, because if you look to any law dictionary for the definition of the word state,
[47:56.560 --> 48:11.560]  it actually has multiple meanings that include but are not limited to an organic and azure area of land, a political subdivision of people united together for a common purpose, and a government.
[48:11.560 --> 48:22.560]  And there also is, in fact, for example, state of Texas, there is a corporation that is chartered, registered, traded, and doing business in the name of state of Texas.
[48:22.560 --> 48:33.560]  So when you're talking about states' rights and what state has the right to do and what it doesn't have the right to do, exactly, first of all, what are you referring to?
[48:33.560 --> 48:47.560]  There are two ways we have to think about them, and either one of them would work for what we're talking about originally, to get extremely technically correct on this and just to hit that on the head.
[48:47.560 --> 48:52.560]  We've never had anything but commercial entities in America.
[48:52.560 --> 49:07.560]  I say that, and then I'll say in the very next breath, if there's an exception to that, my study so far says that Alabama and Texas may actually have formed republics.
[49:07.560 --> 49:10.560]  And we can get into that on the state side.
[49:10.560 --> 49:12.560]  We can get into that on the national side.
[49:12.560 --> 49:14.560]  They're the same process.
[49:14.560 --> 49:35.560]  To talk about a state, we're either talking about the view that most people have, which is that it's a constitutionally established entity, which is fine for what we're talking about here, or more accurately, since we never had any of those, except maybe Alabama and except maybe Texas.
[49:35.560 --> 49:38.560]  We're talking about commercial entities.
[49:38.560 --> 50:00.560]  Well, sure, and I've read some very old books and law references, and I've seen a lot of indications that a constitution is basically a corporate charter, and I've seen some other references that talk about how the founders basically borrowed the word constitution,
[50:00.560 --> 50:08.560]  maybe not, perhaps not knowing fully exactly what it meant and even felt the need to clarify it in the body of the document.
[50:08.560 --> 50:18.560]  So, I mean, I'm aware of the commercial nature, but earlier you hit, you touched on another aspect that I wanted to discuss with you.
[50:18.560 --> 50:22.560]  The states are essentially fictions.
[50:22.560 --> 50:43.560]  They were created by living, breathing men and women to serve those men and women, and so when you're saying that the state doesn't have a right to do something or it has a duty to continue doing something, basically what that implies is that we're now, you know, the living,
[50:43.560 --> 50:48.560]  breathing people are now being controlled by a fiction that they created to serve them.
[50:48.560 --> 50:51.560]  What is your take on that?
[50:51.560 --> 50:55.560]  Okay, several pieces to the puzzle there.
[50:55.560 --> 51:02.560]  Corporations in law, of course, are fictions, and that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
[51:02.560 --> 51:05.560]  It means that they're not really tangible.
[51:05.560 --> 51:09.560]  The law fully recognizes commercial entities.
[51:09.560 --> 51:13.560]  They're fully vibrant entities in the eyes of the law.
[51:13.560 --> 51:19.560]  They don't really have the same tangible nature to them that a human being does.
[51:19.560 --> 51:24.560]  So, the concept of fiction in this, I think, is really overworked.
[51:24.560 --> 51:26.560]  It's not that it's not there.
[51:26.560 --> 51:28.560]  It's definitely there.
[51:28.560 --> 51:39.560]  It just, on the human level of the five senses, we can't interact with a corporate entity in any of those five senses.
[51:39.560 --> 51:44.560]  It's a legal entity, so we interact with it on that basis.
[51:44.560 --> 51:45.560]  Fiction is correct.
[51:45.560 --> 51:50.560]  It's greatly overused for all practical purposes.
[51:50.560 --> 51:55.560]  It's as real as the automobile that we travel around in.
[51:55.560 --> 52:07.560]  On the concept of the people, the people have never acted, and this is directly related to why what we have is a commercial system.
[52:07.560 --> 52:16.560]  The people never acted, and it may be that we get into that on the top of the hour a little bit more,
[52:16.560 --> 52:19.560]  but we'll try to talk about that here very briefly.
[52:19.560 --> 52:24.560]  For what did Alabama do and what did Texas do that separates them?
[52:24.560 --> 52:26.560]  They actually acted as a democracy.
[52:26.560 --> 52:32.560]  They actually put the democratic lawmaking process into action.
[52:32.560 --> 52:40.560]  They actually submitted documents to the people for direct vote by those who could participate by voting.
[52:40.560 --> 52:42.560]  In other words, those who had the right of suffrage.
[52:42.560 --> 52:45.560]  They never happened nationally.
[52:45.560 --> 52:48.560]  So there's two ways to create an entity.
[52:48.560 --> 52:51.560]  Fundamentally, there's two ways to create an entity.
[52:51.560 --> 52:59.560]  It's either declared commercially into existence, whether by one individual or by a group of individuals.
[52:59.560 --> 53:07.560]  It's just simply declared we now work through ABC Inc., commercial declaration.
[53:07.560 --> 53:15.560]  The other way to create an entity is by law.
[53:15.560 --> 53:24.560]  So the people in Alabama and the people in Texas actually acted by law to create an entity.
[53:24.560 --> 53:29.560]  A totally different view of the language referred to as a constitution.
[53:29.560 --> 53:37.560]  A constitution can never be the same as a set of articles of incorporation.
[53:37.560 --> 53:38.560]  It's totally different.
[53:38.560 --> 53:39.560]  Why?
[53:39.560 --> 53:46.560]  Articles of incorporation say by that mere labeling, this is a commercial declaration.
[53:46.560 --> 53:51.560]  Commercial declaration doesn't need anything except a declarant.
[53:51.560 --> 53:54.560]  And that could be one individual or a group of people.
[53:54.560 --> 53:57.560]  But that's all that it takes to create a commercial entity.
[53:57.560 --> 54:01.560]  I now declare ABC Inc. into existence.
[54:01.560 --> 54:04.560]  So you send the paperwork to the Secretary of State.
[54:04.560 --> 54:05.560]  They review it.
[54:05.560 --> 54:11.560]  They put the stamp on it and say, we agree with you and bless ABC Inc. into existence.
[54:11.560 --> 54:13.560]  That's a corporation.
[54:13.560 --> 54:14.560]  Okay.
[54:14.560 --> 54:19.560]  A constitution can't be confused with articles of incorporation.
[54:19.560 --> 54:25.560]  A constitution intends to be law.
[54:25.560 --> 54:31.560]  A constitution intends to be created by law.
[54:31.560 --> 54:35.560]  So it messes up the legal analysis.
[54:35.560 --> 54:42.560]  It messes up the mind of the party running the legal analysis ever to equate a constitution
[54:42.560 --> 54:46.560]  with a commercial act, a commercial declaration.
[54:46.560 --> 54:49.560]  And either there's a constitution or there isn't.
[54:49.560 --> 54:56.560]  And there will be or not depending on whether the people acted by law.
[54:56.560 --> 54:58.560]  How does that happen?
[54:58.560 --> 55:04.560]  It's a gathering just like we would see in ancient Greece.
[55:04.560 --> 55:10.560]  A gathering of all the people in that place, like Athens, for example.
[55:10.560 --> 55:14.560]  And the people would gather and they would decide what the law would be.
[55:14.560 --> 55:17.560]  The majority vote would carry the day.
[55:17.560 --> 55:22.560]  That's what has to happen for a democracy to create law.
[55:22.560 --> 55:30.560]  For a democracy to create a constitution, the people, all of them, all of them with suffrage,
[55:30.560 --> 55:33.560]  all of them have to have notice.
[55:33.560 --> 55:35.560]  Let's just go down the list.
[55:35.560 --> 55:37.560]  It's Robert's Rules of Order.
[55:37.560 --> 55:38.560]  They have to have notice.
[55:38.560 --> 55:40.560]  There has to be a place.
[55:40.560 --> 55:42.560]  There has to be a time.
[55:42.560 --> 55:46.560]  The meeting has to start on an appropriate time basis.
[55:46.560 --> 55:50.560]  Hold order, hold business, move business.
[55:50.560 --> 55:53.560]  The language is moved to be voted on.
[55:53.560 --> 55:56.560]  You have all the discussion you would expect.
[55:56.560 --> 55:59.560]  Question is called, a vote is taken, a quorum is determined.
[55:59.560 --> 56:05.560]  And if the quorum exists and the majority vote says yay,
[56:05.560 --> 56:10.560]  now that democratic body politic has in fact created law.
[56:10.560 --> 56:15.560]  And they could form a republic at that point.
[56:15.560 --> 56:16.560]  Absolutely.
[56:16.560 --> 56:17.560]  Absolutely.
[56:17.560 --> 56:25.560]  But you can't just have a subset of these people who are eligible for suffrage say,
[56:25.560 --> 56:28.560]  okay, we're going to form this republic.
[56:28.560 --> 56:30.560]  That's not going to fly.
[56:30.560 --> 56:32.560]  Even worse than that, what you said is correct.
[56:32.560 --> 56:39.560]  And what has actually happened nationally is 13 commercial leaders,
[56:39.560 --> 56:46.560]  13 leaders of 13 commercial entities got together and said, let's do this.
[56:46.560 --> 56:50.560]  The people no more participated than the man in the moon.
[56:50.560 --> 56:53.560]  The 13 commercial entities participated.
[56:53.560 --> 56:56.560]  In that difference is all the difference in the world.
[56:56.560 --> 56:58.560]  Article five does what?
[56:58.560 --> 57:03.560]  Article five says that if 13 entities.
[57:03.560 --> 57:05.560]  Article five is the amendment.
[57:05.560 --> 57:08.560]  Article seven is ratification.
[57:08.560 --> 57:16.560]  The ratification article says that if at least nine parties of the 13 agree,
[57:16.560 --> 57:18.560]  then it's done.
[57:18.560 --> 57:19.560]  Okay.
[57:19.560 --> 57:24.560]  When nine agree, they've just declared war against the other four.
[57:24.560 --> 57:27.560]  It happens that the other four also agreed.
[57:27.560 --> 57:32.560]  And because it was unanimous going in, it has to be unanimous coming out.
[57:32.560 --> 57:41.560]  So the compact nature, the treaty nature of what's referred to as a constitution
[57:41.560 --> 57:45.560]  didn't take effect until unanimous vote,
[57:45.560 --> 57:49.560]  which is sometime after the popular time period is normally used.
[57:49.560 --> 57:57.560]  But the question on constitution is that a constitution must be law.
[57:57.560 --> 58:03.560]  And if it's not law, then it's nothing, literally.
[58:03.560 --> 58:09.560]  The corporation being a fiction, yes, all commercial entities are fictions.
[58:09.560 --> 58:13.560]  But all that means is it's not tangible.
[58:13.560 --> 58:15.560]  It's a notebook sitting there.
[58:15.560 --> 58:19.560]  And you do all the things that the law says about how to run it.
[58:19.560 --> 58:24.560]  And you've got a business separate from the people that formed it.
[58:24.560 --> 58:29.560]  And again, regarding the people, the people never did what they needed to do
[58:29.560 --> 58:31.560]  to create constitution.
[58:31.560 --> 58:36.560]  A subset of the people declared commercially these entities into existence.
[58:36.560 --> 58:40.560]  And maybe some of that subset of people thought that they were actually
[58:40.560 --> 58:44.560]  forming a legitimate lawful constitution, but that's not what really happened.
[58:44.560 --> 58:45.560]  We'll be back on the other side.
[58:45.560 --> 58:46.560]  Johnny, hold on.
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[01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:25.080]  secession versus disillusion and Harman was talking about the two aspects of it
[01:04:25.080 --> 01:04:29.360]  one the state side and the other the individual side which we have not started
[01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:35.240]  talking about yet and Johnny I just wanted to back up a little bit to at least
[01:04:35.240 --> 01:04:39.840]  maybe partially address something you had brought up at the beginning about how
[01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.800]  well according to Harman you know he's saying the states don't have a right to
[01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:50.040]  do this and so now it's you I hope I'm paraphrasing okay here you're saying well
[01:04:50.040 --> 01:04:55.720]  now because of that now we can't do it and so what's the answer here because it
[01:04:55.720 --> 01:05:00.240]  seems like we're bound by something that we never agreed to and and honestly
[01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:05.440]  that's kind of the whole point of Harman that we never agreed to it to begin
[01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:11.040]  with but even more than that concerning the states not having a right to quote
[01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:17.120]  secede or rather turn in their membership card to this commercial compact
[01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:22.360]  that they made the reason is because that wasn't part of the agreement to begin
[01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.520]  with that wasn't part of the commercial compact it wasn't written into the
[01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:30.400]  compact between these states that they had the right to or the option to be
[01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:35.720]  able to turn in their membership card at will for any reason just because they
[01:05:35.720 --> 01:05:40.600]  wanted to and so that and so I just want to address that but other than that we
[01:05:40.600 --> 01:05:45.880]  wanted to bring you back in Johnny does this this past ten minutes of discussion
[01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.120]  or so does that we partially answer your questions do you have more questions or
[01:05:49.120 --> 01:05:53.840]  did we address your your questions properly yet or what what do you have
[01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.280]  to say well I have about a thousand more but I'm not gonna lay those I know you
[01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:02.440]  guys have other callers than a lot to listen send an email and at some point
[01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:07.200]  we'll we'll get through them it may be a different show but all all that's
[01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:11.680]  kind of does the valuable well I guess really the only where I was going with
[01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:17.760]  all of this is you know you're talking about these commercial entities you
[01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:21.320]  know the commercial the 13 commercial entities voting and the you know the
[01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:24.240]  commercial compacts and the commercial nature of all this and when you're
[01:06:24.240 --> 01:06:28.200]  talking about all of these commercial things you're talking about you know
[01:06:28.200 --> 01:06:35.560]  commercial entities and corporations and you know the their laws and their
[01:06:35.560 --> 01:06:40.160]  rules that they're creating I guess the ultimate question is if I'm not a part
[01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:44.400]  of those commercial entities what obligations can they impose on me and
[01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:52.400]  with that I'll drop off I just wanted to also get your opinion on a case that I
[01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:57.840]  read the paddleford fey and company case are you familiar with that which one
[01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:04.400]  paddleford fey and company versus mayor and alderman of city of savannah that's
[01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:13.200]  a new case to me it's a supreme court case from January 1854 where the court
[01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:19.280]  said no private person has a right to complain by suit in court on ground of
[01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.680]  a breach of the United States Constitution or while it is true that
[01:07:22.680 --> 01:07:28.520]  the Constitution is a compact he is not a party to it okay there you go how only
[01:07:28.520 --> 01:07:32.200]  the states are parties to it and only the states may complain about breach of
[01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:38.600]  the Constitution and and so on and so forth perfect what you've confirmed and
[01:07:38.600 --> 01:07:42.840]  that's just one of the several cases and it's it's not one that comes up into my
[01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:48.760]  mind as a confirmation of how the Supreme Court address it but there and
[01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:54.000]  there may be more cases that do that but that one is one more where the Supreme
[01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:03.480]  Court absolutely positively confirms the compact nature of it and that makes
[01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:09.880]  some more sense in the context of the choice and the choice is it could have
[01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:18.640]  been wall and it wasn't and the Supremes have never varied from their ruling
[01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:24.880]  from their perspective that we're dealing a compact so a compact is by and
[01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.880]  between the parties to the compact that's the states so where you're
[01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:34.760]  reading that ruling to say the individual doesn't have any say in it
[01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:41.240]  it's a hundred percent correct why individuals not party to the deal the
[01:08:41.240 --> 01:08:46.840]  commercial entities are parties to that deal right so if I'm if I'm not a party
[01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:52.640]  to that deal I guess that where the the bridge to the gap that I'm missing is if
[01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.760]  I am not a part of that compact and I'm not a part of those commercial entities
[01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:02.200]  that created the compact how can they impose any obligations on me and if the
[01:09:02.200 --> 01:09:07.480]  compact is either invalid or even if I were a party to the compact and there's
[01:09:07.480 --> 01:09:13.560]  any you know fraud or unconscionability or anything like that how how would those
[01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.760]  issues be raised and with that I'll drop off and I'll email you a whole bunch
[01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:25.920]  other stuff later it'll be great and then for anyone else if they've got email
[01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:31.320]  related information send it in we more than appreciate your support of the
[01:09:31.320 --> 01:09:38.280]  radio program and that we may or may not get to them on any particular show but
[01:09:38.280 --> 01:09:45.400]  we'll have firm basis and focus for future shows based on your questions and
[01:09:45.400 --> 01:09:52.400]  feedback which is always appreciated how does a party become obligated where
[01:09:52.400 --> 01:10:00.840]  what we're dealing with is a commercial entity okay this is why I teach the
[01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:07.080]  related concept of church it's going to be real fast for most we can go over it
[01:10:07.080 --> 01:10:15.240]  again in the future what is a state I define it this way I don't think you'll
[01:10:15.240 --> 01:10:21.240]  find this in any dictionaries but we have to think about it this way in order
[01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:29.560]  to understand what we're dealing with a state is a body politic congregated
[01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:38.480]  around a foundational moral code what is a state a body politic congregated
[01:10:38.480 --> 01:10:45.040]  around a foundational moral code how do we know that that's the case okay it
[01:10:45.040 --> 01:10:49.880]  used to be the law that drawing and quartering was a was a proper punishment
[01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:57.960]  for certain crimes moral code changed moral perspective changed and drawing
[01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:03.120]  and quartering is no longer considered proper in fact it's considered barbarous
[01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:09.560]  moral code change what about hanging horse thieves used to hang them now
[01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:16.120]  horse thieves are sentenced for other theft crimes and not necessarily hanging
[01:11:16.120 --> 01:11:23.120]  why moral perspective changed how do we know that the Texas statute struck down
[01:11:23.120 --> 01:11:30.920]  in Roe v. Wade were bad there's a moral code for the state the moral code says
[01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:35.240]  that there are certain things that have to be in a statute for it to be legit
[01:11:35.240 --> 01:11:42.760]  that set of statutes failed to meet the standards there's an internal standard
[01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:50.080]  to by which we evaluate our own laws it's a moral code and that's that's how
[01:11:50.080 --> 01:11:56.640]  state functions what is a state a body politic congregated around a
[01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.800]  foundational moral code now this tends to set some people's teeth on it but I
[01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:08.520]  tell you what a church is a church is a body politic congregated around a
[01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:15.720]  foundational moral code that part seems fairly intuitive that's what we think of
[01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:20.920]  when we think of church a body politic congregated congregated around a
[01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:25.920]  foundational moral code it doesn't have to be scripture it can be the Talmud it
[01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:33.480]  can be the Koran it can be some other thing agnostics have the moral code
[01:12:33.480 --> 01:12:37.960]  atheists have a moral code doesn't mean they're not a church it does mean
[01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:42.840]  they're not a Christian oriented church but doesn't mean they're not a church
[01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:48.360]  every church is a body politic congregated around a foundational moral
[01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:53.520]  code and the reason I describe each of them this way is to say very plainly
[01:12:53.520 --> 01:13:00.000]  that there is absolutely positively and never has been any difference between a
[01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:05.040]  state and a church what we're trying to do in this separation of church and state
[01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:11.760]  thing is define who the God is and at the beginning we didn't want the king to
[01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:21.520]  be the God okay well that's completely gone off the deep end when Israel was
[01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:26.680]  formed at Mount Sinai it was a church and a state intending to be both at the
[01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:32.400]  same time ultimately developing into a priesthood of believers totally different
[01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:38.880]  topic the point here is in the law how does this commercial entity get
[01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:47.400]  authority okay it is a church it may not have God of the Bible as its God but
[01:13:47.400 --> 01:13:54.240]  it is a church it is a foundational moral a body politic congregated around a
[01:13:54.240 --> 01:14:02.080]  foundational moral code okay so as a member of that church now one is
[01:14:02.080 --> 01:14:06.520]  obligated to that church's book of discipline what is another name for the
[01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:12.520]  church's book of discipline it's called penal code the national church has a
[01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:17.840]  penal code which goes by the label of title 18 the Benson people complained
[01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:23.840]  that title 18 was never passed into law it is that national church's book of
[01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:30.640]  discipline it becomes applicable once the party signs up for it once the party
[01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:36.840]  joins the church in that case fundamentally by getting a social security
[01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:42.920]  number and then using it then one obligates oneself to that church's
[01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:48.960]  book of discipline which is what title 18 so that's one way these commercial
[01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:53.960]  entities acquire authority over this we become members of the club we become
[01:14:53.960 --> 01:15:00.760]  church members there's a label for that it's called citizenship and the value
[01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:08.200]  in understanding the church analogy here is its citizenship 100% voluntary no one's
[01:15:08.200 --> 01:15:12.200]  compelled to get social security number it feels that way but the reality is
[01:15:12.200 --> 01:15:18.920]  we're not and the driver's license is the other fundamental membership card and
[01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:25.880]  that's for the states so how do these commercial entities call states get
[01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:30.400]  authority over this we give it to them we sign up we say I want to be a part of
[01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:36.440]  your church I want that ID card I want that driver's license so that's the
[01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:43.880]  fundamental way I want that I want that Obama phone that's that's certainly
[01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:48.320]  another aspect of it but yeah there's something that we want so we sign up for
[01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:53.480]  it okay the other way that these commercial entities get authority over
[01:15:53.480 --> 01:15:59.040]  us is commercially and this is the entire fundamental point about secession
[01:15:59.040 --> 01:16:05.600]  and so these questions that came in are ideal for the segue here and I don't
[01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:09.680]  know where we're coming up on break time so if we run out we'll come right back
[01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.640]  to this but there are two ways the question is does the commercial entity
[01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:18.080]  get authority over us first way we sign up for the club we join the
[01:16:18.080 --> 01:16:23.120]  commercial entity as a citizen the other way is we agree to the proposed
[01:16:23.120 --> 01:16:29.200]  agreements I call them gotcha agreements by that system there's gotcha
[01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:33.160]  agreements at the state level there's gotcha agreements at the national level
[01:16:33.160 --> 01:16:37.400]  there's gotcha agreements at the county level there's gotcha agreements at the
[01:16:37.400 --> 01:16:45.000]  municipal level and we're all taught all of our lives to look at that as law it's
[01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:52.680]  obligated because it exists that's just not how this federal system works federal
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[01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:29.280]  Taylor we're on the issue of succession versus disillusion and before we went to
[01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:32.400]  break Harman was talking about everything being federal in nature and
[01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:39.440]  everything is by commercial agreement everything is by contract we opt to be a
[01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:44.720]  member of this church a member of this club then we're obligated and bound by
[01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:52.320]  its bylaws and disciplinary rules etc etc and Harman you brought up title 18
[01:19:52.320 --> 01:19:59.440]  and there is you know the issue floating about that and it's likely true that
[01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:05.120]  title 18 was never properly adopted by the commercial entity according to the
[01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:10.840]  commercial entities own bylaws which IE it wasn't constitutionally ratified okay
[01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.600]  so I'm just using the commercial lingo here and and so that begs the question
[01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:21.040]  well does that really matter does that mean that the disciplinary code is is
[01:20:21.040 --> 01:20:27.160]  moot because it wasn't adopted by the commercial entities own bylaws and I'm
[01:20:27.160 --> 01:20:31.920]  thinking the answer is that no it doesn't matter because if we agree to it
[01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:36.400]  then we've agreed to it so is that correct that's where we are where we try
[01:20:36.400 --> 01:20:43.840]  to evaluate anything in that's called legislation where we try to evaluate
[01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:51.480]  anything by article one or any other part of this thing called the
[01:20:51.480 --> 01:20:58.840]  Constitution we have instantly made a false presumption and then strapped
[01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:06.120]  ourselves to a rocket sled full of fuel and lit the fuse we've we've made a
[01:21:06.120 --> 01:21:10.840]  false presumption and headed off like a house of fire in the wrong direction in
[01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:16.840]  the legal analysis and it's just it's gonna be a while before all of that
[01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:22.720]  settles down like like slim pickings and Dr. Strangelove something like that
[01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:31.720]  that's an interesting analogy here the the concept of running title 18 through
[01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:38.160]  the article one filter it makes the presumption that the Constitution has
[01:21:38.160 --> 01:21:44.200]  anything at all whatsoever to do with the promulgation of language by this
[01:21:44.200 --> 01:21:50.640]  group called the Congress it has nothing to do with it it has absolutely
[01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:58.280]  nothing to do with it so whether there was anything that passes constitutional
[01:21:58.280 --> 01:22:06.720]  muster asks the wrong question why because it's not there in the first place
[01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:13.440]  it's not there in the first place okay the I'm gonna this is a this is a turn
[01:22:13.440 --> 01:22:18.920]  of semantics it's just part of the discipline that we go through to get
[01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:23.080]  our mind around what it is we're dealing with fundamentally the question of
[01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:26.480]  cessation is how in the world do we turn off this insanity coming out of
[01:22:26.480 --> 01:22:33.480]  Washington okay the states aren't going to go anywhere because the states are
[01:22:33.480 --> 01:22:41.000]  effectively wholly on commercial subsidiaries of the nationals thing so
[01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:46.840]  they're not leaving that brings us then to what does the individual do because
[01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:50.800]  the individual is the only one that's got any authority over it the question we
[01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:55.040]  just got finished talking about was perfect segue is if they're commercial
[01:22:55.040 --> 01:22:58.640]  entities whether it's the national organization or any of these things called
[01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:02.920]  states if they're commercial how in the world they get authority over us and the
[01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:10.080]  answer is either we say we want to be a member and we use the word citizen in
[01:23:10.080 --> 01:23:15.720]  associating ourselves with that commercial entity we join the club clubs
[01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:22.880]  have membership rules all of them do if you're complied with the membership
[01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:26.680]  rules you stay a member in good standing you get sideways with the
[01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:31.880]  membership rules they will determine whether you remain a member or not we
[01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:37.360]  don't really get into member or not questions anymore simply because these
[01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:43.160]  systems can't afford to start kicking people out so they are renewable
[01:23:43.160 --> 01:23:48.280]  drivers licenses expire social security doesn't really it's an interesting
[01:23:48.280 --> 01:23:52.280]  thing the social security deal doesn't really expire that doesn't mean we have
[01:23:52.280 --> 01:23:59.800]  to use the number but we're in an entity we're a member of a club and so that's a
[01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:05.440]  way that they get authority others just to make the agreement with it okay in
[01:24:05.440 --> 01:24:10.040]  that area note that I continue to use the word agreement this is the semantics
[01:24:10.040 --> 01:24:17.720]  study I don't say contract some of it is contract some of it isn't there's more
[01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:23.600]  than one kind of agreement out there generically there are two one is
[01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:33.000]  contract and the other is called trust the other is called trust so why do I
[01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.400]  mention that because these agreements with these states or the national system
[01:24:38.400 --> 01:24:44.120]  if it's a contract no one would be going to jail why it's not possible to breach
[01:24:44.120 --> 01:24:49.520]  a contract and go to jail it's possible to commit fraud in a deal and go to jail
[01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:54.440]  but that's not the breach a contract that's fraud that's a particular kind of
[01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:57.760]  breach if you want to think about it that way but you really have to go to a
[01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:02.480]  lot of trouble to do that you really do that's not a happenstance thing and the
[01:25:02.480 --> 01:25:07.360]  charge isn't breach a contract the charges fraud or embezzlement or
[01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:12.080]  extortion or whatever it may happen to be but you can't go to jail for mere
[01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:17.080]  breach a contract so where we're dealing with an entirely federal system and we
[01:25:17.080 --> 01:25:25.080]  are dealing with an entirely federal system they tell us every day federal
[01:25:25.080 --> 01:25:29.920]  federal federal federal federal where we're not a state we just had this case
[01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:36.960]  cited from what was it 1854 1858 saying that the people aren't party to that
[01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:42.440]  okay got all kinds of confirmation going we're not party to that so how in the
[01:25:42.440 --> 01:25:49.840]  world outside the penal code does the does the jail thing work if we're not
[01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:53.680]  at where if it's federal we're not in the penal code we're outside the penal
[01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:57.160]  code we're dealing with an agreement so how do we go to jail for breach or
[01:25:57.160 --> 01:26:02.240]  agreement well it's not a contract this is why I go back to the concept of
[01:26:02.240 --> 01:26:07.800]  agreement and not contract can't go to jail for breach contract you can go to
[01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:12.760]  jail for breach of trust breach of fiduciary obligation is a jailable
[01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:18.080]  offense so we think about that and hopefully there's some light bulbs going
[01:26:18.080 --> 01:26:26.000]  on along along all along all states that have listeners here as to what it is
[01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:33.200]  we're dealing with so now we're we're pretty good stead on the on the timing
[01:26:33.200 --> 01:26:40.240]  here so session as a concept for the states is never going to happen and it's
[01:26:40.240 --> 01:26:44.720]  not the fact that they're not states because the commercial entities could
[01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:49.200]  leave they're just not going to it's a it's a commercial matter they're
[01:26:49.200 --> 01:26:53.960]  addicted to the funny money system the national system and the state systems are
[01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:58.240]  symbiotic using funny money so neither one of them is going anywhere with
[01:26:58.240 --> 01:27:06.280]  respect to the other and that leaves the individuals which is what makes this
[01:27:06.280 --> 01:27:11.000]  petition thing pretty close it's kind of exciting that the individuals are the
[01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:15.400]  ones doing it not the states the states aren't going to do it but that means
[01:27:15.400 --> 01:27:20.360]  where here we are being citizens and agreeing with these things if we want
[01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:25.720]  it to stop guess what we've had a hundred percent power over that from day
[01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:30.400]  one we just bought into all the propaganda about the kind of system that
[01:27:30.400 --> 01:27:34.920]  we're dealing with okay we buy into the propaganda that we're dealing with a
[01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:39.440]  system that's set up by law and therefore has the power to create law and
[01:27:39.440 --> 01:27:43.960]  because that language exists we're bound by it and it's because we don't
[01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:48.600]  understand the nature of the system that we keep being hoodwinked going down
[01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:54.160]  these paths where they're just not what the judges are seeing at all
[01:27:54.160 --> 01:28:04.880]  secession in our current circumstance happens one individual at a time not by
[01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:10.760]  declaration we we've got a group of people nationwide it's a huge group of
[01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:15.000]  people that mean well I think we need to declare this and declare that and we're
[01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:20.840]  done no it's an interesting confirmation of the understanding at the stage but
[01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:25.960]  we're we're wrapped up like mummies and all of what I call gotcha agreements
[01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.140]  it's flypaper if we were to take flypaper instead of these agreements we
[01:28:30.140 --> 01:28:34.320]  could wrap ourselves silly we wouldn't be able to move because of all the
[01:28:34.320 --> 01:28:38.080]  flypaper we've wrapped ourselves into because all these agreements were signed
[01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:42.840]  into we don't know their agreements this is why it works we don't know their
[01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:47.720]  agreement so we sign up like mad sign me up here sign me up there and then we
[01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:52.320]  think oh we're dealing with law not agreement so we we approach it as law
[01:28:52.320 --> 01:28:57.800]  throwing law at a fact pattern that's nothing but agreement and all the people
[01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:03.600]  do is end up clobbering themselves losing liberty losing property in
[01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:07.920]  process of thinking that they're taking on the system when they had no idea what
[01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:13.400]  it is that they're doing so what does the individual do it's the same thing at
[01:29:13.400 --> 01:29:19.240]  the state level as the national level secession is a commercial concept and
[01:29:19.240 --> 01:29:27.000]  fundamentally once the individual terminates lawfully all the agreements
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:32.640]  one has it's a different number per individual and the individual does not
[01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:43.120]  read up then the individual succeeded interesting okay we've got about another
[01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:49.280]  30 minutes left I've got a couple of questions here Harman would you like to
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[01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:23.720]  okay folks we are back rule of law Randy Kelton Eddie Craig Deborah Stevens
[01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:30.120]  here with a very special guest Harman Taylor and now we have gone from the
[01:32:30.120 --> 01:32:35.000]  state's cancer seed they never had a right to they never it was never in the
[01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:38.480]  commercial compact that they had that option to turn in their membership card
[01:32:38.480 --> 01:32:42.440]  we've also discussed the fact that there never was a Constitution in the first
[01:32:42.440 --> 01:32:46.400]  place and not a not according to law it was a commercial compact so there's
[01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:50.920]  nothing to secede from anyway as far as the states are concerned now we are
[01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:56.200]  coming full circle to the individual and the fact that Harman is saying that
[01:32:56.200 --> 01:33:00.600]  actually the individual is the only entity that can secede and so now we are
[01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:05.160]  going to drive it home here so Harman tell us more about how the individual can
[01:33:05.160 --> 01:33:13.680]  secede the individual can secede first by understanding probably in some more
[01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:18.680]  detail but I think we've covered the essence of it the individual has got to
[01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:22.800]  be very confident in the understanding of what we're dealing with today we've
[01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:30.920]  got such a totally different system then is taught that to get one's mind around
[01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:35.200]  that the fact that this thing operates because the individual signs up for it
[01:33:35.200 --> 01:33:40.680]  is a pretty wicked paradigm shift for a lot of people but that's where we start
[01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:46.560]  we've got to get in mind a couple of very foundational thoughts and those
[01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:54.200]  thoughts are these we do not now have and have never had a Constitution we can
[01:33:54.200 --> 01:33:59.680]  call it a compact that compact exists that's correct but the Constitution in
[01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:05.520]  the mind of the American people is law it self describes itself as the
[01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:14.320]  supreme law of the land and it just simply never was why the people of the
[01:34:14.320 --> 01:34:21.720]  nation never voted it comes down to being that simple doing some research on a
[01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:27.960]  different topic there's what is called in Ireland a plebiscite and if that means
[01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:33.080]  what I think it means what they did in Ireland was the correct procedure they
[01:34:33.080 --> 01:34:38.400]  submitted the paper whatever they were proposing to the entirety of the
[01:34:38.400 --> 01:34:43.200]  national population they determined that a quorum participated and that a
[01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:48.400]  majority vote of that quorum approved that document called the Irish
[01:34:48.400 --> 01:34:56.120]  Constitution that process never happened here it was never in the mind of the
[01:34:56.120 --> 01:35:01.720]  people forming the deal until when until the very end of the Constitutional
[01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.720]  Convention where somebody finally figured out that they had a mechanism to do
[01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:11.160]  what they needed to do but they hadn't talked about it that is where we get
[01:35:11.160 --> 01:35:17.200]  this concept of what is horribly called a preamble that language is no more a
[01:35:17.200 --> 01:35:23.800]  mere introduction than the man in the moon it is the enabling act and if the
[01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:29.800]  people had actually participated could have been a Constitution okay I say that
[01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:33.960]  loosely because it's got some internal flaws what we're talking about here is
[01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:38.080]  the procedural flaws the substantive flaws would have kicked it out anyway so
[01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:42.840]  it would never have worked even if we got the procedure right but as a matter of
[01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:49.120]  law as a concept of law the Constitution never was that is the exact same
[01:35:49.120 --> 01:35:56.080]  circumstance in which we find ourselves for all state constitutions save perhaps
[01:35:56.080 --> 01:36:02.360]  to Alabama and Texas those entities didn't survive the war of northern
[01:36:02.360 --> 01:36:07.160]  aggression we can read through some paperwork I'm in the process of that
[01:36:07.160 --> 01:36:11.440]  right now there may actually be some unique things with Texas I haven't
[01:36:11.440 --> 01:36:16.040]  studied into Alabama's at all yet there may be some unique things there as well
[01:36:16.040 --> 01:36:20.880]  fundamentally we can make a very safe presumption there are no constitutions
[01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:27.320]  right now why is that because the money system changed now Harman just real
[01:36:27.320 --> 01:36:30.760]  quick here the last we were talking about this this war the northern war of
[01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.840]  aggression you said you said what that really was was a hostile takeover a
[01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:41.640]  hostile corporate takeover yeah that's a hostile takeover hand the one with
[01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:47.720]  the money in 1965 was a hostile takeover it's all commercial it changed the
[01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:51.480]  fundamental choice of law and this is the thing we've got to understand right
[01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:56.360]  now about this secession movement it's really not too complicated the
[01:36:56.360 --> 01:37:01.000]  individual has got to understand that we don't have law at the national level
[01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:04.440]  creating this thing that doesn't mean we don't have a thing there it just means
[01:37:04.440 --> 01:37:08.240]  we don't have a constitutional thing there we have a commercial thing there
[01:37:08.240 --> 01:37:15.440]  okay that's that's key and the only way that thing functions is if we continue
[01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:19.920]  to participate in it now said the social security as a citizenship is pretty
[01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:25.640]  wicked thing to get out of not using that is extremely difficult those who are
[01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:31.160]  in a position not to use it really have a duty to do that so as to start to
[01:37:31.160 --> 01:37:37.640]  distance themselves and start up these other churches the most important thing
[01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:43.320]  anybody in this nation can do if they want to give Washington the greatest
[01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:49.240]  middle finger salute we can give them is to stop using the fine money now that's
[01:37:49.240 --> 01:37:54.800]  real easy to say and it's not so easy to implement but I must say it again the
[01:37:54.800 --> 01:38:02.720]  simplest and most obvious way to give Washington the we don't like you anymore
[01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:11.360]  message stop using their money in this difference is the difference between
[01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:16.200]  night and day this nation was founded on honest weights and measures that stopped
[01:38:16.200 --> 01:38:22.480]  in 1965 and I mean it's been a rapid slide into communism since that point it
[01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:28.000]  was set up before then but since 1965 it's gone pretty rapidly and here's
[01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:32.040]  where we are and the people are saying we've had enough of this communism stuff
[01:38:32.040 --> 01:38:36.720]  we it never worked anywhere except to destroy the nation we're sick of that
[01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:40.440]  why can't you people figure that out they don't intend to figure it out they
[01:38:40.440 --> 01:38:44.200]  exist to destroy us we can get into scripture and the beast system and all
[01:38:44.200 --> 01:38:49.960]  that that's fine but one of the things that enables the beast one of the things
[01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:55.120]  that empowers the beast is the use of the beast money system why is that
[01:38:55.120 --> 01:39:00.600]  because all the agreements that are made are made under their choice of law you
[01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:05.000]  when we make agreements using the concept of dollar whether it's federal reserve
[01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:10.000]  notes or something else then we say we like this choice of law that abuses the
[01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:15.800]  American people and when we go with something else say silver or had a
[01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:22.200]  cattle or bushel wheat or just about anything other than dollars or the
[01:39:22.200 --> 01:39:27.360]  dollar-based credit system use anything but that and now we're in a different
[01:39:27.360 --> 01:39:34.040]  choice of law when a different choice of law that can it can put some wrinkles
[01:39:34.040 --> 01:39:40.160]  into the judicial review of the matter but where both parties to the deal are
[01:39:40.160 --> 01:39:45.400]  honorable and not looking for a way to hose over the other anyway then honorably
[01:39:45.400 --> 01:39:50.160]  to make the agreement based on Troy ounces fine silver never mentioning the
[01:39:50.160 --> 01:39:54.800]  word dollar instantly makes that agreement something beyond the authority
[01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.840]  that this system really has the authority to get into gold is a transition
[01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:03.600]  thing if it's in silver I'm a hundred percent certain you got a different deal
[01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:11.720]  gold with Troy ounces of gold this is very semantical very detail that we
[01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:17.000]  talked solely about Troy ounces of gold that's beyond this current authority if
[01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:21.880]  we talk about dollars and gold then it would be in the authority why because
[01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:27.280]  they've got authority over dollars this is what happened to Von Nothouse he kept
[01:40:27.280 --> 01:40:33.400]  talking about dollars it it it messed him over badly yes absolutely we did a
[01:40:33.400 --> 01:40:36.320]  whole show on that harm and actually I think you were involved in that
[01:40:36.320 --> 01:40:40.280]  discussion if not this one particular show I'm remembering but I remember we
[01:40:40.280 --> 01:40:45.760]  did a show with our friend dr. Bill v's we the whole rule of law radio team
[01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:53.080]  unanimously concurred that he he had a big problem I mean he never should use
[01:40:53.080 --> 01:40:58.720]  the word dollar they meant and so secession is an individual matter the
[01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:04.040]  question is how is it done and the answer is with great study and due
[01:41:04.040 --> 01:41:08.960]  deliberation don't do anything hasty that's what people have been doing for
[01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:13.640]  around since the 50s especially in the area tax they don't understand what
[01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:16.840]  they're dealing with they create nothing but problems for themselves and
[01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:21.080]  meanwhile but they don't don't understand the game so they get into
[01:41:21.080 --> 01:41:28.120]  trouble so secession is an individual matter that part is 100% correct the
[01:41:28.120 --> 01:41:31.880]  individual is the party with the authority to say I really don't want to
[01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:38.280]  be a part of your game anymore the most fundamental concept that any individual
[01:41:38.280 --> 01:41:46.080]  can do is stop using the money that brings with it the choice of law that
[01:41:46.080 --> 01:41:53.000]  keeps the insanity in Washington in power they've got the power because they
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:42:00.520]  got the authority over the choice of law when we stop going there when we
[01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:08.360]  stop using funny money when we stop using this thing called dollars then they
[01:42:08.360 --> 01:42:16.960]  stop having say over what's what it is that simple it's that complicated we've
[01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:21.080]  got to start with the small businesses the big businesses aren't going there
[01:42:21.080 --> 01:42:26.360]  they're too addicted to it they are too addicted to it to get a new car you're
[01:42:26.360 --> 01:42:31.000]  probably gonna have to pay dollars okay there were some of the grocery store
[01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:37.080]  chains they may or may not get there but the small businesses if they do
[01:42:37.080 --> 01:42:43.120]  quality products and services don't do it just because they're doing silver if
[01:42:43.120 --> 01:42:49.320]  they do silver and provide quality goods and services trust me it is the
[01:42:49.320 --> 01:42:55.240]  greatest act of pro america pro god commercial activity we can get into to
[01:42:55.240 --> 01:43:01.280]  trade with those people they're doing everything they can for this country to
[01:43:01.280 --> 01:43:07.320]  do honest weights and measures with their clients patrons customers and and
[01:43:07.320 --> 01:43:14.400]  patrons so what can you do start using honest weights and measures now there
[01:43:14.400 --> 01:43:20.040]  there's other things to be done there are other things to be done an example is
[01:43:20.040 --> 01:43:25.760]  with transportation we've got to we've got to learn the semantics of the system
[01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:30.880]  and and understand that there's no solution in the code we've got to know
[01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:36.080]  that the code sits there and sticks its tongue out at us until when until we
[01:43:36.080 --> 01:43:41.600]  consent that it applies to us I'm hearing bumper music so I guess we'll come back
[01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:46.560]  yes we've got one more segment left excellent excellent stuff harm and
[01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:51.000]  excellent stuff all right folks you've got one more segment Harman is on a roll
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[01:46:25.360 --> 01:46:38.640]  okay folks we're coming into the home stretch here with Harman Taylor and he's
[01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:44.320]  talking about the individual and how to get away from the system that we have
[01:46:44.320 --> 01:46:49.680]  all opted into as he says we're covered with flypaper of agreements that we do
[01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:53.440]  not even realize it's not going to be such an easy thing to get out of it
[01:46:53.440 --> 01:46:59.920]  simple but not easy okay we're going to take call here Gary from Texas wants to
[01:46:59.920 --> 01:47:04.240]  know something about how the JFK assassination affected the change over
[01:47:04.240 --> 01:47:10.120]  from the monetary standard golden silver to the funding money system Gary is that
[01:47:10.120 --> 01:47:14.680]  your question go ahead ask your question yes thank you hi good evening yeah
[01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:21.160]  Harman I'm just just enthralled with what you've stated tonight and first I
[01:47:21.160 --> 01:47:25.840]  want to say and this is a little bit off topic but I respectfully disagree with
[01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:32.400]  your opinion that the Articles of Confederation no longer exists but that's
[01:47:32.400 --> 01:47:41.200]  not my that's not my topic I wanted to ask you how the murder of John Fitzgerald
[01:47:41.200 --> 01:47:51.760]  Kennedy affected the money system and the system of law in the United States of
[01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:55.240]  America if you could address that for me give me a little bit more understanding
[01:47:55.240 --> 01:47:59.400]  I really appreciate it thank you Gary thank you for the call yeah be glad to
[01:47:59.400 --> 01:48:03.280]  and it happens to fit into the succession thing actually rather directly
[01:48:03.280 --> 01:48:09.760]  Kennedy was in a position to keep the International Banking Cartel at bay and
[01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:14.360]  the International Banking Cartel had decided that that was the time they
[01:48:14.360 --> 01:48:19.520]  were that they had to move in order to accomplish their world takeover at least
[01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:24.400]  destruction of America but certainly their destruction of America en route
[01:48:24.400 --> 01:48:33.720]  to take over and so what Kennedy was doing is opposing the taking out of
[01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:42.200]  circulation of the of the silver the FDR had removed gold in the 30s that which
[01:48:42.200 --> 01:48:49.600]  still kept our system going in the common law was the general circulation of
[01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:54.840]  silver he had ordered quarters which order was rescinded by LBJ not long
[01:48:54.840 --> 01:49:02.240]  after he took office and it's because Kennedy was in the position to oppose it
[01:49:02.240 --> 01:49:07.680]  and was successfully opposing it that they had to shoot him we don't you know
[01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:15.280]  kill him by whatever by whatever means so we have the total switch out this a
[01:49:15.280 --> 01:49:19.640]  hostile takeover of the worst sort assassination of president I don't care
[01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:24.760]  what his politics are I don't care they assassinated the CEO yeah then in a
[01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:29.200]  fact that's right I don't care what presidents politics are there's certain
[01:49:29.200 --> 01:49:34.720]  things in life you don't do and that's that's one of them you don't shoot the
[01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:38.280]  president I don't care what you agree with or disagree with that's the wrong
[01:49:38.280 --> 01:49:44.360]  thing to do so it happened here fundamentally in my backyard fundamentally
[01:49:44.360 --> 01:49:50.400]  it's born in Dallas so it happened here and there's a tremendous motive to
[01:49:50.400 --> 01:49:54.240]  understand it all well it's really easy he stood in the way of the International
[01:49:54.240 --> 01:49:59.320]  Banking Cartel so what does that have to do with the session well everything
[01:49:59.320 --> 01:50:02.840]  because we have a different system now because the money changed over what
[01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:07.640]  happened when the silver went out this is directly related to the question what
[01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:13.760]  happened answer total switch out of the law we have a law of the land system for
[01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:18.400]  domestic activity under honest weights and measures when gold and silver
[01:50:18.400 --> 01:50:25.600]  circulate they carry with them which choice of law law the land law the land
[01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:30.480]  can't tolerate funny money under a law of the land system the funny money that
[01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:36.240]  circulates right now isn't just fraud it's treason it's an act of war it's
[01:50:36.240 --> 01:50:45.160]  treason against the law of the land system so the only way to get the funny
[01:50:45.160 --> 01:50:50.440]  money in is to change the foundational law foundational law was changed very
[01:50:50.440 --> 01:50:55.000]  quietly we see it filter again through at the state level through uniform
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:51:01.600]  commercial code it was changed at the national level and so we get this total
[01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:06.880]  changeover of the law overnight literally overnight you see see filtered in
[01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:10.720]  that one exactly overnight at the national level it came in overnight they
[01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:15.640]  just switched out what the choice of law was going to be how does that affect
[01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:18.520]  the session we've got switching out of the choice of law because the money
[01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:23.160]  changed with the money goes a choice of law with the money goes a choice law
[01:51:23.160 --> 01:51:27.280]  okay so if you have honest weights and measures that's one system that's where
[01:51:27.280 --> 01:51:33.080]  America started since 1965 we've been on this this other system I'd start with a
[01:51:33.080 --> 01:51:37.920]  B word regarding to a child born without at least one well without born
[01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:42.680]  parent married parents without born parents yeah without married parents
[01:51:42.680 --> 01:51:46.560]  anyway that's what they did to the money system what does that have to do with
[01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:49.440]  the session let's take what happened with Kennedy and the change out of the
[01:51:49.440 --> 01:51:56.920]  choice of wall and put it over here into succession what what what does that do
[01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:01.200]  for us the answer is we've got to know that we're dealing with a funny money
[01:52:01.200 --> 01:52:06.760]  system and that choice of wall in order to understand the standard by which these
[01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:11.760]  agreements are evaluated so as to know how to terminate them when to terminate
[01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:16.440]  them what to do to terminate them and to know that we're dealing with agreements
[01:52:16.440 --> 01:52:23.080]  at all we've got agreements prior to this change in choice of law we will have
[01:52:23.080 --> 01:52:27.800]  agreements even if we go back to an honest system weights and measures there
[01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:33.240]  will be gotcha agreements but the evaluation standard is rather different
[01:52:33.240 --> 01:52:38.600]  right now where the government is the other party all that matters is the
[01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:44.600]  existence of a signature and that's that's not the common law standard right
[01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.840]  now that all that the judge needs to know is did you sign this it's all the
[01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:52.840]  it's all judge needs to know is there a center is there some indicia of an
[01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:59.040]  agreement to this deal the governments are forcing against us if there is there
[01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:03.160]  really is nothing else to talk about that's why so many of these tax cases
[01:53:03.160 --> 01:53:08.000]  for example go the way they go so why the judges limit all the testimony there's
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:13.000]  really only one question that matters is the agreement signed is there an
[01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:17.880]  enforceable agreement they're never gonna tell you that I'll tell you that
[01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:22.560]  you've we've got to know it there's a whole lot in front of that system there's
[01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:27.680]  no way to covered in a in a program or a series of programs I teach that stuff
[01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:33.400]  because it takes a while so you know so I don't try to do it any other way but
[01:53:33.400 --> 01:53:39.360]  fundamentally there's only one question is there an enforceable agreement okay
[01:53:39.360 --> 01:53:43.680]  so what is the change in choice of law with the Kennedy assassination have to
[01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:49.760]  do a succession everything we've got to know what we sign at the end of the day
[01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:57.000]  it's the signature that controls our fate the the concept here's Moses been
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:01.400]  hearing from God and here's Moses talking to Israel and here's Joshua talking
[01:54:01.400 --> 01:54:07.880]  to Israel and the concept is choose ye this day well choose ye this day has a
[01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:13.200]  little bit different meaning today than it did then because right now it it means
[01:54:13.200 --> 01:54:19.800]  are you gonna sign something to obligate yourself to these regulations or not it's
[01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:26.640]  that simple it's that simple the the difference is before this they'd have to
[01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:32.920]  approve they'd have to prove meeting of the minds they can't get by with their
[01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:38.240]  secret gotcha agreement scam under a legitimate choice of law they're gonna
[01:54:38.240 --> 01:54:42.800]  get by with the agreements the agreements existed we as a nation didn't
[01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:47.560]  realize that was the problem as we come to realize that's the problem right now
[01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:53.200]  it's a pretty wicked standard because all it has to exist is a signature but
[01:54:53.200 --> 01:55:00.320]  when the choice of law changes then they've got to show meaning of the
[01:55:00.320 --> 01:55:05.200]  minds if we know there's an agreement it's kind of a double-edged sword here
[01:55:05.200 --> 01:55:10.000]  where we know there's an agreement and we don't get out of it then okay that'd
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:15.360]  be consent but where we learned during the during the deal that there's an
[01:55:15.360 --> 01:55:19.520]  agreement they say well never agreed to it then they may have to prove up
[01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:27.720]  something more than just a signature that's gonna be an exciting day so that
[01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:31.840]  that's fundamentally it on Kennedy is absolutely all right that was an
[01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:37.560]  excellent answer we had another caller Harman that couldn't stay on the line
[01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:44.640]  but he had a question going back to the issue of the funny money system and well
[01:55:44.640 --> 01:55:50.520]  he's the question I think maybe isn't I'm gonna try to interpret the question
[01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:54.720]  how is get how's it going to get us out of the system by going back to the gold
[01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:59.160]  and silver standard I think what he really means is how is it going to get
[01:55:59.160 --> 01:56:03.840]  us out of their system by not using their monopoly money anymore I think
[01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:06.840]  that's probably really more the question I mean we don't have to use gold and
[01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:12.480]  silver we can use bags of salt we can bar we can barter for whatever we want I
[01:56:12.480 --> 01:56:17.040]  mean the real issue is is not using their monopoly money he wants to know
[01:56:17.040 --> 01:56:23.360]  how does that really get us out of of their system okay not directly but
[01:56:23.360 --> 01:56:28.200]  indirectly it does as just take a small community as an example as a small
[01:56:28.200 --> 01:56:32.040]  community stops using funny money and uses only honest weights and measures
[01:56:32.040 --> 01:56:37.160]  they now no longer have the mechanism of financial control that comes out of
[01:56:37.160 --> 01:56:40.800]  Washington when we don't need their money anymore and we don't need their
[01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:44.920]  money when we don't need their money anymore when we are self-sufficient and
[01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:52.480]  have stable economy locally without it where does their control go okay so it
[01:56:52.480 --> 01:56:57.120]  changes the choice of law this was just talking about we've got gotcha
[01:56:57.120 --> 01:57:00.280]  agreements we're wrapped up like nummies and flypaper because the gotcha
[01:57:00.280 --> 01:57:05.880]  agreements but right now all they have to have is a signature the people
[01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:09.160]  enforcing these things really don't understand they do the way high up
[01:57:09.160 --> 01:57:12.760]  levels of course they do they got to know what the game is but the people
[01:57:12.760 --> 01:57:16.600]  actually enforcement have no idea what they're enforcing they don't know they
[01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.280]  need an agreement they wouldn't know where to go find it if there were okay
[01:57:20.280 --> 01:57:26.760]  but the judge knows a guarantee of the judge knows just knows exactly where to
[01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:32.120]  look and if there's an agreement great if there's not there's not but what the
[01:57:32.120 --> 01:57:36.160]  changing out of the money does and we won't have that with the government
[01:57:36.160 --> 01:57:40.000]  because they're not going to change their choice of law but outside of the
[01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:45.160]  government matters what we do by using honest weights and measures is reduce
[01:57:45.160 --> 01:57:49.080]  the amount of money in circulation
[01:57:49.080 --> 01:57:54.880]  interesting yes we have it we know we have done well we've got about 45
[01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:59.040]  seconds left so Harman give us some closing thoughts closing thoughts the
[01:57:59.040 --> 01:58:02.720]  session is a wonderful idea if we understand it to be an individual act
[01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:07.760]  the individuals got to know that the tie with this system is commercial it's not
[01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:12.240]  legal it's commercial we've got to understand that they are agreements that
[01:58:12.240 --> 01:58:17.880]  are being used against us not law agreements so as we understand that as
[01:58:17.880 --> 01:58:21.240]  the place to start at least we can invest our time properly and study an
[01:58:21.240 --> 01:58:27.000]  alcohol absolutely Harman thank you so much for coming on again tonight well
[01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:30.400]  you're welcome all right folks and for those of you out there that had other
[01:58:30.400 --> 01:58:38.120]  types of questions tomorrow night is randies for our Friday info marathon so
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