[00:00.000 --> 00:06.360]  A string of burglaries in Torrance, California had the police scratching their heads until
[00:06.360 --> 00:12.200]  they raided a motel and nabbed the perpetrator, a fragile 82-year-old woman, under Dr. Katherine
[00:12.200 --> 00:16.880]  Albrecht, back with the tale of the blue-haired burglar after this.
[00:16.880 --> 00:18.600]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.600 --> 00:22.200]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.200 --> 00:27.200]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:27.200 --> 00:32.160]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.160 --> 00:34.960]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[00:46.000 --> 00:49.200]  Doris Ann Gamble at a 21-page rap sheet.
[00:49.200 --> 00:53.720]  She'd been arrested in connection with a homicide, gone to jail nine times, and used at least
[00:53.720 --> 00:54.720]  25 aliases.
[00:54.720 --> 00:59.200]  At 82, you'd think Gamble might retire, but no.
[00:59.200 --> 01:03.880]  Police recently busted her for burglarizing eight doctor's offices in California.
[01:03.880 --> 01:07.960]  The frail elderly woman would hide in the doctor's offices after being seen.
[01:07.960 --> 01:12.760]  When the staff went home, she'd raid the cash boxes, netting over a 17 grand.
[01:12.760 --> 01:17.200]  At her sentencing, she told detectives she wouldn't do all this nonsense if the government
[01:17.200 --> 01:18.520]  gave us more money.
[01:18.520 --> 01:22.280]  Then she asked the court for donations to buy snacks in jail.
[01:22.280 --> 01:33.000]  And Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[01:33.000 --> 01:38.040]  The U.S. military is planning to implant soldiers with microchips under the guise of keeping
[01:38.040 --> 01:39.040]  them healthy.
[01:39.040 --> 01:43.920]  And Dr. Catherine Albrecht, in a moment, will tell you why that bad idea is a dangerous
[01:43.920 --> 01:47.520]  step toward a total surveillance society.
[01:47.520 --> 01:49.240]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:49.240 --> 01:52.840]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:52.840 --> 01:57.840]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[01:57.840 --> 02:02.960]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
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[02:14.920 --> 02:21.160]  Ten Hut, you soldier, hold out that arm, it's time for your implant.
[02:21.160 --> 02:23.320]  Force microchipping of American soldiers?
[02:23.320 --> 02:26.680]  Shockingly, that's apparently on the military's to-do list.
[02:26.680 --> 02:31.200]  To implant all soldiers with microchips, so their health in the battlefield can be remotely
[02:31.200 --> 02:32.200]  monitored.
[02:32.200 --> 02:36.560]  Never mind the fact that implanted microchips cause illnesses like cancer.
[02:36.560 --> 02:39.440]  There are other reasons to oppose this awful plan.
[02:39.440 --> 02:44.920]  No American soldier, teacher, cop, or criminal should ever be forcibly chipped and tracked,
[02:44.920 --> 02:47.280]  no matter how good the government says it is for us.
[02:47.280 --> 02:51.280]  If we allow this to happen to our soldiers, it won't be long before they come for the
[02:51.280 --> 02:52.280]  rest of us.
[02:52.280 --> 03:18.280]  I'm Dr. Cameron Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
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[03:35.640 --> 03:57.160]  and I'm Dr. Cameron Albrecht.
[03:57.160 --> 04:02.920]  Alright, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you here on the
[04:02.920 --> 04:05.920]  rule of law?
[04:05.920 --> 04:08.920]  Tonight is November 8th, 2012.
[04:08.920 --> 04:10.920]  I am your host, Deborah Stevens.
[04:10.920 --> 04:12.920]  I'm here with Randy Kelton.
[04:12.920 --> 04:15.560]  Eddie Crick has the night off.
[04:15.560 --> 04:19.640]  And tonight we have a very special guest for the first few segments.
[04:19.640 --> 04:21.960]  Good friend of mine, Mr. Richard Reeves.
[04:21.960 --> 04:26.520]  He was a host on this network, and now he's moved on to bigger and better things.
[04:26.520 --> 04:30.520]  It would seem he works over at Info Wars now.
[04:30.520 --> 04:36.480]  We have Richard on tonight to talk about a few different things, the election, and also
[04:36.480 --> 04:39.720]  a very important young Jevvie event that's coming up.
[04:39.720 --> 04:41.880]  But first we're going to talk about the election.
[04:41.880 --> 04:48.040]  So Richard, thanks for coming on tonight, and give us your take on the election.
[04:48.040 --> 04:49.640]  Well Deborah, thank you for having me on.
[04:49.640 --> 04:53.600]  Randy, thank you as well, and I appreciate all the work you guys are doing.
[04:53.600 --> 05:00.500]  And I tell you, looking back, even as late as Monday, it's really looking like, going
[05:00.500 --> 05:04.360]  into this election, there's absolutely no win situation for us.
[05:04.360 --> 05:08.640]  And ultimately, I guess it kind of was, we were going to either get pretty much Barack
[05:08.640 --> 05:13.600]  Obama or Mitt Romney, and I thought there was no way for me to find any kind of satisfaction
[05:13.600 --> 05:22.000]  at all on Tuesday, but on Tuesday night, I realized, hey, this is, somehow I'm sitting
[05:22.000 --> 05:28.600]  here and I'm very upset and not happy that Barack Obama is going to be present for four
[05:28.600 --> 05:36.440]  more years, I'm not happy that he's winning, but man, was I ever happy that Romney lost.
[05:36.440 --> 05:41.840]  I was extremely happy Romney lost because of the abuse.
[05:41.840 --> 05:46.160]  And for those that don't know, probably most of the people that are listening to your broadcast
[05:46.160 --> 05:51.840]  know, but the Republican establishment at not just the RNC convention, which was the
[05:51.840 --> 05:57.600]  Big Daddy Republican Convention in Tampa, but all the prior conventions at the state
[05:57.600 --> 06:03.720]  level and at the senatorial level, county level, precinct level, there was just YouTube
[06:03.720 --> 06:12.760]  video after YouTube video, the old guard Republican establishment abusing their power and squashing
[06:12.760 --> 06:18.920]  the new folks coming in that supported Ron Paul, which ultimately did lead to the just
[06:18.920 --> 06:24.600]  incredible tyrannical display that happened at the Republican National Convention.
[06:24.600 --> 06:27.600]  And unfortunately, it hasn't really been properly covered.
[06:27.600 --> 06:29.760]  I don't think it's really gotten the coverage that it should have.
[06:29.760 --> 06:36.360]  But you know, when I saw that, and from my perspective is going to the state of Texas
[06:36.360 --> 06:42.040]  convention as a delegate and I saw what happened at the RNC and I wasn't even there and I could
[06:42.040 --> 06:48.680]  just imagine how crazy it could have been for the folks that did attend the RNC and
[06:48.680 --> 06:55.360]  the just outright blatant tyranny of what basically the Republican National Convention
[06:55.360 --> 06:57.840]  basically is just like a beauty contest.
[06:57.840 --> 07:00.520]  It's not even the main contest.
[07:00.520 --> 07:06.400]  It's not worth squashing people over, but that's exactly what the Republican establishment
[07:06.400 --> 07:14.000]  did to the freedom and liberty delegates, the Ron Paul delegates, the info warrior delegates
[07:14.000 --> 07:15.200]  that showed up there.
[07:15.200 --> 07:24.000]  They squashed them, they absolutely put that big jack boot on the backs of our delegates
[07:24.000 --> 07:27.760]  next in heads and other parts of their bodies.
[07:27.760 --> 07:35.400]  And so when Romney lost, I said, vindication, vindication, Republican establishment, I tell
[07:35.400 --> 07:41.640]  you what, I'm going to make some enemies tonight, I'm sure, at the Republican party, but don't
[07:41.640 --> 07:42.640]  shoot the messenger.
[07:42.640 --> 07:43.640]  I'm the messenger.
[07:43.640 --> 07:44.640]  I'm the messenger.
[07:44.640 --> 07:46.200]  Now, you can shoot me.
[07:46.200 --> 07:51.800]  You're not going to like what I got to say, but look, the Republican establishment leadership
[07:51.800 --> 07:55.600]  proffered in 1996 candidate Bob Dole.
[07:55.600 --> 07:59.680]  They proffered John McCain in 2008.
[07:59.680 --> 08:05.440]  In 2012, they proffered Mitt Romney as your designated candidate.
[08:05.440 --> 08:12.840]  Do you like just repeatedly losing and losing and losing to the likes of Bill Clinton's
[08:12.840 --> 08:15.600]  and to the likes of Barack Obama's?
[08:15.600 --> 08:16.760]  Come on, guys.
[08:16.760 --> 08:24.160]  It's just if you're not going to put forth a true constitutionalist candidate, then you
[08:24.160 --> 08:26.680]  might as well just get used to losing.
[08:26.680 --> 08:31.640]  And we, in the meantime, will continue fighting within the system to change it.
[08:31.640 --> 08:36.600]  But we're also going to be digging our foxholes, buying our guns, buying our ammunition, buying
[08:36.600 --> 08:41.080]  our storable food, getting our bunkers set up.
[08:41.080 --> 08:44.640]  And maybe if you're nice to us later, maybe we'll have a little room in the foxhole for
[08:44.640 --> 08:48.160]  you when our country goes down in flames.
[08:48.160 --> 08:53.120]  I tell you, the Republican establishment has got to wake up.
[08:53.120 --> 08:54.800]  They lost this election.
[08:54.800 --> 09:02.480]  Look, Deborah, had it not been for the injustice that occurred at the Republican National Convention,
[09:02.480 --> 09:07.560]  I may have held my nose and voted for Romney.
[09:07.560 --> 09:09.960]  We all had to sit there and think about it.
[09:09.960 --> 09:11.000]  But you know what?
[09:11.000 --> 09:16.360]  A lot of people made the same decision that I made without even being prompted.
[09:16.360 --> 09:17.840]  They made this decision.
[09:17.840 --> 09:19.080]  You know what?
[09:19.080 --> 09:20.360]  Not just no, but hell no.
[09:20.360 --> 09:23.360]  We're not voting for Romney, and we were the difference.
[09:23.360 --> 09:25.520]  We were the swing vote.
[09:25.520 --> 09:30.840]  There's people on Daily Paul that have actually gone and dug up the numbers and have demonstrated
[09:30.840 --> 09:37.400]  how in these, especially in the key swing vote states like Florida, Ohio, I think New
[09:37.400 --> 09:42.280]  Hampshire, I don't have that list right here in front of us if I can pull it up, Connecticut,
[09:42.280 --> 09:49.400]  Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio, Virginia, in those five states, the Ron Paul primary votes,
[09:49.400 --> 09:55.560]  had they shown up, would have been greater than the loss of margin, the loss margin that
[09:55.560 --> 09:56.960]  Romney had in those states.
[09:56.960 --> 10:02.760]  In other words, if those Ron Paulers had come and voted for Romney, boom, Romney would
[10:02.760 --> 10:05.000]  be president right now.
[10:05.000 --> 10:13.000]  So Republican establishment, please learn your lesson finally, Bob Dole, John McCain,
[10:13.000 --> 10:15.720]  and now Romney, we're just not going to go there.
[10:15.720 --> 10:24.000]  We would rather not, just rather not join you and compromise and elect a trader candidate.
[10:24.000 --> 10:27.600]  As a matter of fact, one thing I had to print out, and Deborah interrupted me any time you
[10:27.600 --> 10:31.840]  feel like doing it, but I just said, you know, when I'm thinking about Romney, I had to
[10:31.840 --> 10:37.680]  go back and print out a quote, and I think everybody sometime sooner or later has probably
[10:37.680 --> 10:40.920]  heard this quote, but it's called, the enemy is within the gates.
[10:40.920 --> 10:47.320]  Now I don't consider Barack Obama, I mean, he's within the gates, but this particular
[10:47.320 --> 10:49.440]  quote refers to traders.
[10:49.440 --> 10:52.680]  You know, Barack Obama basically openly is a trader.
[10:52.680 --> 10:56.720]  He talks about how he'd like to take Americans guns openly.
[10:56.720 --> 11:03.080]  So you know, everybody can pretty much know that this guy is really ultimately an enemy
[11:03.080 --> 11:08.920]  of the Constitution, but Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is one of these people that could
[11:08.920 --> 11:10.120]  be designated trader.
[11:10.120 --> 11:15.400]  Here's the quote, a nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious, but it cannot
[11:15.400 --> 11:17.440]  survive treason from within.
[11:17.440 --> 11:23.320]  An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his back openly,
[11:23.320 --> 11:28.000]  but the trader moves amongst those within the gate freely, his fly whispers rustling
[11:28.000 --> 11:32.560]  through all the alleys, hurting the very halls of government itself, but the trader appears
[11:32.560 --> 11:33.680]  not a trader.
[11:33.680 --> 11:39.360]  He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments.
[11:39.360 --> 11:42.680]  He appeals to the basement that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
[11:42.680 --> 11:44.120]  He rots the soul of a nation.
[11:44.120 --> 11:48.680]  He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city.
[11:48.680 --> 11:54.920]  He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist, a murderer is less to fear.
[11:54.920 --> 11:55.920]  Let me repeat that part.
[11:55.920 --> 11:58.440]  A murderer is less to fear.
[11:58.440 --> 12:05.240]  The trader is the plague, and that quote fit Mitt Romney to a T, did it not?
[12:05.240 --> 12:07.640]  Absolutely, Richard.
[12:07.640 --> 12:13.120]  And you know, one thing I was going to say to the Republican establishment, this is
[12:13.120 --> 12:14.120]  what you get.
[12:14.120 --> 12:23.080]  This is what you get when you totally smack down and disrespect your base and your grassroots
[12:23.080 --> 12:25.080]  support.
[12:25.080 --> 12:31.480]  I mean, what do you expect, you know, do you think that we're really going to vote for
[12:31.480 --> 12:36.160]  your establishment candidate and be quote unquote loyal to the party after the way you
[12:36.160 --> 12:37.160]  treat us?
[12:37.160 --> 12:39.360]  I mean, this is ridiculous.
[12:39.360 --> 12:46.880]  I mean, and the thing is, you don't even have to look at the number of votes that went in
[12:46.880 --> 12:51.800]  for Gary Johnson because a lot of the Ron Paul supporters just stayed home and didn't
[12:51.800 --> 12:52.800]  even vote.
[12:52.800 --> 12:53.800]  That's right.
[12:53.800 --> 12:54.800]  Exactly.
[12:54.800 --> 12:56.880]  A lot of them did stay home, Deborah, and it's a darn shame.
[12:56.880 --> 13:01.920]  It's an absolute shame they stayed home, though, because there were so many important local
[13:01.920 --> 13:05.600]  races, state level, county levels, you name it.
[13:05.600 --> 13:08.360]  There's just so many things, ballot initiatives.
[13:08.360 --> 13:10.160]  It's just a shame.
[13:10.160 --> 13:13.720]  I just want to remind everybody that it was out there, and I know, Deborah, you were one
[13:13.720 --> 13:17.560]  of those folks, and I know a lot of the listeners out there were the folks that were at that
[13:17.560 --> 13:22.600]  Hyde Park Baptist Church here in Austin, Texas, back at our senatorial convention.
[13:22.600 --> 13:28.320]  I think it was back in May, I think it was, April or May.
[13:28.320 --> 13:33.640]  We saw some activity there that you could just call tyrannical as well.
[13:33.640 --> 13:41.000]  Well, the whole setup, the whole nine yards, what happened at that Hyde Park Baptist Church
[13:41.000 --> 13:45.360]  was just absolutely ridiculous from the beginning.
[13:45.360 --> 13:50.680]  They manipulated things in the rules committee ahead of time to do away with all the precinct
[13:50.680 --> 14:00.360]  caucusing, and we managed to beat that, but it took almost all day just to get that done,
[14:00.360 --> 14:06.680]  and so then it's like they're thanking the people who rented the place, and I have to
[14:06.680 --> 14:14.560]  say shame on you, the people who run the Travis County Republican Party for acting like you
[14:14.560 --> 14:20.240]  didn't know that this was going to be a big fight over number one, the precinct caucuses,
[14:20.240 --> 14:29.000]  and number two, challenging the slate of the committee selected at large candidates.
[14:29.000 --> 14:34.880]  I mean, of course we're going to challenge that, of course we're going to want to select
[14:34.880 --> 14:42.120]  our own delegates, and I remember four years ago, we were at the convention center, it
[14:42.120 --> 14:46.960]  was at the convention center four years ago, we were there till like midnight, one o'clock
[14:46.960 --> 14:51.240]  in the morning, and then, oh, they think that four years later there's not going to be a
[14:51.240 --> 14:59.200]  fight, and so they spend exorbitant amounts of money renting the Hoity Toity High Park
[14:59.200 --> 15:04.400]  Baptist Church, probably the most expensive venue they could have possibly found just
[15:04.400 --> 15:09.400]  to act like they're all that, and they can only afford to rent it until six o'clock
[15:09.400 --> 15:15.480]  in the evening, and then by five thirty we just barely finished the precinct caucuses,
[15:15.480 --> 15:19.960]  and it's time to start the real business of the convention, and so then we have to go
[15:19.960 --> 15:27.320]  out to the parking garage, because the church could not donate any time to us, because it's
[15:27.320 --> 15:32.120]  against their 501C3, alright, so then we're out in the parking garage, and we're sitting
[15:32.120 --> 15:38.680]  there waiting for like four or five hours while the committee comes up with their slate,
[15:38.680 --> 15:45.200]  and then they do a voice vote, and then we couldn't challenge it ahead of time, because
[15:45.200 --> 15:49.240]  I didn't even hear this, I'm sure it was against the rules of the party, and against all these
[15:49.240 --> 15:50.240]  convention rules.
[15:50.240 --> 15:56.600]  There was no sound system, there was no amplification for the chairman's voice, and so he quieted,
[15:56.600 --> 16:00.880]  this is what I heard from someone else anyway, I didn't hear it myself, and he says, okay,
[16:00.880 --> 16:04.480]  as long as there's no objections, like he's real quiet, as long as there's no objections,
[16:04.480 --> 16:07.520]  once the committee hands down their slate, we're just going to do an up or down vote,
[16:07.520 --> 16:13.920]  okay, and it's like there's hundreds of people in the parking garage that did not hear this,
[16:13.920 --> 16:18.360]  and if I would have heard that, I would have said, oh no, there is an objection, I do object,
[16:18.360 --> 16:22.800]  I don't want to just have an up or down vote when the committee hands their slate down
[16:22.800 --> 16:29.120]  four hours from now while we're sitting in this parking garage, and so then when the
[16:29.120 --> 16:33.440]  slate comes, then all these people are trying to challenge it, and they're like, oh no,
[16:33.440 --> 16:37.440]  we already agreed, we're just going to have an up or down vote, remember, no one objected,
[16:37.440 --> 16:41.240]  blah, blah, blah, okay, the whole thing was planned, and then they act like, how could
[16:41.240 --> 16:46.640]  we have possibly known, I mean you've got to be kidding, how many thousands of dollars,
[16:46.640 --> 16:52.080]  I mean, Richard, I could have rented a venue three times as big for two, three days in
[16:52.080 --> 17:20.560]  a row than the Hyde Park Baptist Church, okay, TISC, TISC, TISC, TISC, not very good spending.
[17:20.560 --> 17:27.600]  But those different找ers brought people here so they're going to get some, I don't
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[19:00.740 --> 19:09.740]  All right, folks, we are back.
[19:09.740 --> 19:17.740]  And yes, I was saying tis tis to the managers, the management of the Travis County Republican Party who's running the show,
[19:17.740 --> 19:24.740]  who rented the venue, whoever made the decision to spend whatever exorbitant amounts of money it cost
[19:24.740 --> 19:33.740]  to rent this hoity-toity high park Baptist church when they could have much better spent the money on a much larger venue
[19:33.740 --> 19:35.740]  for a longer period of time.
[19:35.740 --> 19:39.740]  We could have had a venue for two, three days to actually get the business of the convention done.
[19:39.740 --> 19:46.740]  You know, I think that was all part of the off in and of itself, you know, to make sure that it took all day
[19:46.740 --> 19:52.740]  just to get past this precinct caucusing stuff so that there would be no way to challenge, you know,
[19:52.740 --> 19:54.740]  the slate of at-large candidates.
[19:54.740 --> 19:58.740]  I'm sure it was all by design, but, you know, in the end, it's just, you know,
[19:58.740 --> 20:01.740]  it just goes against everything the Republican Party is supposed to stand for,
[20:01.740 --> 20:06.740]  which is conservative spending for sure and conservative time efficiency as well.
[20:06.740 --> 20:08.740]  But yes, vindication as well.
[20:08.740 --> 20:13.740]  I hope you Republican establishment like what you get, okay?
[20:13.740 --> 20:16.740]  Because in my opinion, Richard, it backfired.
[20:16.740 --> 20:18.740]  It totally blew up in their face.
[20:18.740 --> 20:19.740]  It sure did.
[20:19.740 --> 20:22.740]  I'll tell you what, we've got four more years of Obama.
[20:22.740 --> 20:30.740]  And I guess, you know, one of the good things about that is Obama has proven to be the best gun salesman
[20:30.740 --> 20:33.740]  in at least the history that I'm aware of.
[20:33.740 --> 20:36.740]  So, you know, hopefully that trend will continue.
[20:36.740 --> 20:40.740]  I mean, I was reading articles a week or two prior to the election that gun sales were up
[20:40.740 --> 20:44.740]  and I'm reading more articles that gun sales are surging right now as we speak.
[20:44.740 --> 20:50.740]  So, you know, hopefully Obama will keep doing that, whereas with Mitt Romney, folks might have said,
[20:50.740 --> 20:51.740]  you know what?
[20:51.740 --> 20:52.740]  I got enough guns in ammo.
[20:52.740 --> 20:53.740]  I don't think I'll get any more.
[20:53.740 --> 20:57.740]  Or maybe somebody that doesn't even own a gun or ammo, maybe they wouldn't even get any.
[20:57.740 --> 21:01.740]  But Barack Obama, I think, will continue to at least inspire that.
[21:01.740 --> 21:07.740]  And going back to the scenario at the Hyde Park Baptist Church, I think Deborah, you're absolutely right.
[21:07.740 --> 21:08.740]  They figured out a way.
[21:08.740 --> 21:13.740]  See, when they prolong these events like that, then they turn these different factions
[21:13.740 --> 21:18.740]  against each other even harder, and it creates even more angst
[21:18.740 --> 21:22.740]  in fighting amongst the different factions present at these conventions.
[21:22.740 --> 21:26.740]  And to show you and demonstrate another thing that happened, one thing that happened
[21:26.740 --> 21:30.740]  at the State Convention was that I arrived there a little bit late
[21:30.740 --> 21:35.740]  because I'd been on the Bilderberg trip with Alex and the crew
[21:35.740 --> 21:38.740]  to do the Bilderberg event in Chantilly, Virginia.
[21:38.740 --> 21:42.740]  And so I wasn't able to get to the Texas State Convention right when it started.
[21:42.740 --> 21:47.740]  But I got there that first day, a little bit towards the afternoon,
[21:47.740 --> 21:49.740]  just in time to hear Ron Paul speaking.
[21:49.740 --> 21:52.740]  And if I remember right, it was around 1 p.m., 2 p.m.
[21:52.740 --> 21:54.740]  Somewhere around there that I got there.
[21:54.740 --> 21:59.740]  And Ron Paul was right there at center stage at the Tarrant County Convention Center
[21:59.740 --> 22:01.740]  up in Fort Worth, Texas speaking.
[22:01.740 --> 22:04.740]  And there were quite a few people in attendance at that moment in time.
[22:04.740 --> 22:07.740]  But since I had just arrived there, I didn't know the lay of the land.
[22:07.740 --> 22:09.740]  I didn't know what was going on.
[22:09.740 --> 22:14.740]  I knew things were going on at the convention besides the Ron Paul speech.
[22:14.740 --> 22:18.740]  But as time went by, I figured out what happened.
[22:18.740 --> 22:24.740]  I remember being surprised in hearing that Ron Paul was even going to be allowed to speak
[22:24.740 --> 22:26.740]  at the Texas State Convention.
[22:26.740 --> 22:28.740]  I was going, wow, that's a surprise.
[22:28.740 --> 22:31.740]  I would have thought that they'd have blocked that.
[22:31.740 --> 22:35.740]  Being that Rick Perry was at that time, I think he'd already dropped out by then.
[22:35.740 --> 22:40.740]  But being that Rick Perry was their guy and things like that, that they wouldn't even invite him.
[22:40.740 --> 22:43.740]  But lo and behold, they invited Ron Paul.
[22:43.740 --> 22:47.740]  And everybody in the Ron Paul camp thinks, wow, that's wonderful.
[22:47.740 --> 22:48.740]  That's great.
[22:48.740 --> 22:54.740]  Well, it just so happens that during the time that Ron Paul was speaking,
[22:54.740 --> 22:57.740]  they were having senatorial district caucusing.
[22:57.740 --> 23:05.740]  And so simultaneously, as Ron Paul is in the main area of the Tarrant County Convention Center, the main arena part,
[23:05.740 --> 23:09.740]  in the breakout rooms within the Tarrant County Convention Center,
[23:09.740 --> 23:12.740]  in the breakout rooms, they're having the senatorial district caucuses.
[23:12.740 --> 23:17.740]  And one, these caucuses, there's a lot of important business that happens in these caucuses.
[23:17.740 --> 23:18.740]  That's why they do them.
[23:18.740 --> 23:23.740]  One of the most important pieces of business that happened in the senatorial district caucuses,
[23:23.740 --> 23:29.740]  while Ron Paul is speaking on the floor and a lot of Ron Paul delegates are there listening and watching him
[23:29.740 --> 23:31.740]  instead of being in their district caucus.
[23:31.740 --> 23:42.740]  Well, Texas Republican committee people are being nominated and elected out of these senatorial district caucuses.
[23:42.740 --> 23:51.740]  And this virtually made us not have any representation going to the state level committee for the Republican Party here in Texas.
[23:51.740 --> 24:00.740]  That's the level of conniving that goes on with the Republican establishment and these conventions.
[24:00.740 --> 24:03.740]  Tell me that was coincidence, Deborah.
[24:03.740 --> 24:11.740]  That cannot possibly be a coincidence, but I'm a little surprised that the Ron Paul supporters didn't realize what was going on
[24:11.740 --> 24:15.740]  and just said, hey, you know, we love our man, but we got to participate in these precinct.
[24:15.740 --> 24:19.740]  I mean, we got to participate in these senatorial district caucuses.
[24:19.740 --> 24:22.740]  We're not going to be able to support him, but you got to remember.
[24:22.740 --> 24:27.740]  You got to remember that, you know, most of the people involved are new to this process.
[24:27.740 --> 24:31.740]  I mean, by myself and still I'm a newbie at it.
[24:31.740 --> 24:34.740]  I'm still learning every time I go more and more about this stuff.
[24:34.740 --> 24:44.740]  But yeah, they basically figured out a way to make sure that there's no Ron Paul people got to the state level of the Republican Party here in Texas.
[24:44.740 --> 24:50.740]  And so now we'll have to wait till, you know, 2014 Lord willing that we get another chance at it to try to get somebody.
[24:50.740 --> 24:54.740]  We need to be the ones that are on these committees.
[24:54.740 --> 25:04.740]  We need to be on these different committees to, you know, the nominations committees and the rules committees and all the different things that has to happen to make the party work.
[25:04.740 --> 25:07.740]  We need to be involved to help fight the good fight.
[25:07.740 --> 25:17.740]  And basically they figured out a way, I mean, just imagine if all our delegates had stayed in their central district caucuses and then Ron Paul all of a sudden is speaking virtually to an empty hall.
[25:17.740 --> 25:20.740]  So I mean, they were willing to allow that to happen.
[25:20.740 --> 25:23.740]  I mean, how ugly is that that they would?
[25:23.740 --> 25:26.740]  Oh, yeah, Ron Paul come and speak and we'll make sure you speak to nobody.
[25:26.740 --> 25:27.740]  Yeah, and they don't care.
[25:27.740 --> 25:29.740]  They don't care how ugly it is.
[25:29.740 --> 25:33.740]  Well, and so that's why they get uglyness thrown back right in their face.
[25:33.740 --> 25:36.740]  All right, this is this is what they get.
[25:36.740 --> 25:38.740]  They get what this is what you want.
[25:38.740 --> 25:39.740]  This is what you get.
[25:39.740 --> 25:40.740]  This is what you want.
[25:40.740 --> 25:41.740]  This is what you get.
[25:41.740 --> 25:43.740]  Just like song says, it's like, this is what you guys want.
[25:43.740 --> 25:44.740]  Okay, that's what you get.
[25:44.740 --> 25:46.740]  You want to, you know, spew out all this ugliness.
[25:46.740 --> 25:48.740]  It's going to come right back at you.
[25:48.740 --> 25:58.740]  And this is what you get for totally disrespecting your base and totally poo pooing all over your base and all of your grassroots support.
[25:58.740 --> 25:59.740]  This is what you get.
[25:59.740 --> 26:01.740]  Okay, you get what you deserve.
[26:01.740 --> 26:09.740]  But yeah, so I'm, I'm, I am happy to see the just desserts rewarded to these very well.
[26:09.740 --> 26:15.740]  But Richard, listen, we've got three and a half minutes left and you said you needed to run at the end of the segment.
[26:15.740 --> 26:18.740]  So let's transition here to something totally different.
[26:18.740 --> 26:26.740]  We have a very important young Jevity event coming up on the 19th and the 20th started registration starts at 630 p.m.
[26:26.740 --> 26:32.740]  at the Promise Land Church, there is going to be a PSA running on the local affiliate here.
[26:32.740 --> 26:34.740]  There's not the network, but the local affiliate.
[26:34.740 --> 26:42.740]  So folks who are in the Austin area or even the central Texas area or even the regional area, we've got Dr. Joe Wallet coming.
[26:42.740 --> 26:44.740]  Pharmacies Ben Fuchs coming.
[26:44.740 --> 26:50.740]  Some of the top people in the young Jevity company are going to be giving presentations on how to run a successful business.
[26:50.740 --> 26:53.740]  So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit more about this?
[26:53.740 --> 26:54.740]  That's right, Deborah.
[26:54.740 --> 26:56.740]  You've given a good thumbnail sketch there.
[26:56.740 --> 26:59.740]  It is going to be actually two events.
[26:59.740 --> 27:06.740]  Like Deborah said, Monday night, the 19th and Tuesday night, the 20th registration starts at 630 p.m.
[27:06.740 --> 27:08.740]  Both events are free on the 19th.
[27:08.740 --> 27:13.740]  It's going to be a big health lecture by none other than Doc Wallet himself.
[27:13.740 --> 27:16.740]  And as Deborah said, there's going to be a lot of other folks.
[27:16.740 --> 27:18.740]  I'm calling it the Mount Rushmore event.
[27:18.740 --> 27:26.740]  There's going to be a lot of folks on the Infowars team there and Doc Wallet, and we're looking at potential Steve Wallet, Steve Schultz.
[27:26.740 --> 27:27.740]  A lot of folks.
[27:27.740 --> 27:33.740]  Ben Fuchs, as Deborah mentioned, and Dr. Glidden would have been here, but he had a prior commitment, unfortunately.
[27:33.740 --> 27:36.740]  But I tell you what, it's going to be one heck of an event.
[27:36.740 --> 27:45.740]  I don't think we've had anything this big come to town since, I guess, G. Edward Griffin there, I guess, a couple years back, two or three years ago, however long that's been.
[27:45.740 --> 27:59.740]  But it's going to be big, Promised Land Church, 1504 East, 51st Street, 1504 East, 51st Street, and that's going to be in the Phillips Pavilion gymnasium.
[27:59.740 --> 28:01.740]  Phillips Pavilion gymnasium right there.
[28:01.740 --> 28:03.740]  We're going to have plenty of room for folks.
[28:03.740 --> 28:12.740]  Those of you that attended the Crosspoint event back seven or eight months ago, remember out there that we didn't have enough parking and we filled up that hall.
[28:12.740 --> 28:17.740]  We filled up that church with at least 400 people standing room only.
[28:17.740 --> 28:29.740]  And I don't know how many more we would have had if there had been room to park, but at Promised Land, there's a lot of room to park over there on East 51st, a way more convenient location to get to.
[28:29.740 --> 28:31.740]  So folks, you got to get up there.
[28:31.740 --> 28:32.740]  It's going to be very exciting.
[28:32.740 --> 28:44.740]  Monday night, the 19th, and Tuesday night, the 20th registration for both free events, 6.30pm, and the speakers are going to start right about seven o'clock.
[28:44.740 --> 28:48.740]  And Joe Wallach is a very good speaker.
[28:48.740 --> 28:59.740]  Most of you that have been hearing this show on GCN Live, usually it's kind of a different show that he does on there because you have a lot of callers calling in with specific health problems and health issues.
[28:59.740 --> 29:08.740]  So you don't really get to hear his lecturer talk on this particular show because it's more like a doctor and patient scenario.
[29:08.740 --> 29:15.740]  But it's really interesting to hear Doc Wallach tell his story and his background live and in person.
[29:15.740 --> 29:19.740]  So I can't encourage people enough to make sure and get to these two.
[29:19.740 --> 29:21.740]  Both these events are going to be really great.
[29:21.740 --> 29:28.740]  Ben Fuchs is arriving on Tuesday, so he should be up there to say a few words along with Doc Wallach on Tuesday.
[29:28.740 --> 29:30.740]  And there's going to be other special guests.
[29:30.740 --> 29:37.740]  And as soon as we get that full list, we'll make sure and forward that message up to the powers of B to get the word out.
[29:37.740 --> 29:38.740]  All right.
[29:38.740 --> 29:39.740]  Excellent.
[29:39.740 --> 29:42.740]  And folks, if you want more information about this, just send me an email.
[29:42.740 --> 29:44.740]  I've got an email that I can forward to people.
[29:44.740 --> 29:48.740]  Richard, is there a website that people can go look at this information about this?
[29:48.740 --> 29:50.740]  You know, unfortunately, not right this second.
[29:50.740 --> 29:53.740]  Hopefully, maybe we can get something on Logos' website.
[29:53.740 --> 29:54.740]  Okay.
[29:54.740 --> 29:55.740]  All right.
[29:55.740 --> 29:56.740]  We sure will.
[29:56.740 --> 29:57.740]  Thank you for joining us tonight, Richard.
[29:57.740 --> 29:59.740]  Thank you very much, and thank you guys for coming.
[30:27.740 --> 30:29.740]  Remember building 7.org today.
[30:58.740 --> 31:06.740]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy.
[31:06.740 --> 31:09.740]  And neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[31:09.740 --> 31:12.740]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[31:12.740 --> 31:13.740]  Brave New Books?
[31:13.740 --> 31:14.740]  Yes.
[31:14.740 --> 31:20.740]  Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Angie Edward Griffin.
[31:20.740 --> 31:24.740]  They even stock inner food, Burkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[31:24.740 --> 31:26.740]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[31:26.740 --> 31:28.740]  Go check it out for yourself.
[31:28.740 --> 31:32.740]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[31:32.740 --> 31:33.740]  Oh, by UT?
[31:33.740 --> 31:35.740]  There's never anywhere to park down there.
[31:35.740 --> 31:43.740]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility just behind the bookstore.
[31:43.740 --> 31:46.740]  It does exist, but when are they open?
[31:46.740 --> 31:51.740]  Monday through Saturday, 11 a.m. to 9 p.m., and 1 to 6 p.m. on Sundays.
[31:51.740 --> 32:00.740]  So give them a call at 512-480-2503, or check out their events page at bravenewbookstore.com.
[32:00.740 --> 32:10.740]  Live free speech radio, logosradionetwork.com.
[32:10.740 --> 32:25.740]  Okay, folks, we are back. This is the rule of law on the Logos Radio Network, logosradionetwork.com.
[32:25.740 --> 32:28.740]  I'm your host, Deborah Stevens. I'm here with Randy Kelton.
[32:28.740 --> 32:34.740]  And, yeah, just to finish up talking about this young Jevity event, I did talk to Richard on the break.
[32:34.740 --> 32:40.740]  I wanted to get something posted on the Logos Radio Network website about the event,
[32:40.740 --> 32:44.740]  but there will also be something posted on infowarsteam.com.
[32:44.740 --> 32:50.740]  That's the website for folks who want to sign up with the InfoWars team to build a business, purchase product.
[32:50.740 --> 32:55.740]  Of course, you can sign up under Logos Radio Network by clicking on the Tangy Tangerine banner.
[32:55.740 --> 33:00.740]  We are also part of the InfoWars team, and folks, this is going to be a great opportunity.
[33:00.740 --> 33:08.740]  So, if you have not signed up for as a distributor yet, I would encourage you to go to logosradionetwork.com and sign up as a distributor.
[33:08.740 --> 33:14.740]  Get me an email. If you want to participate in the business building aspect of this event,
[33:14.740 --> 33:26.740]  the opportunity has been open to the Logos Radio Network distributors just our line to actually work the event as far as
[33:26.740 --> 33:31.740]  manning tables to sign people up. We're expecting five to six hundred people per night,
[33:31.740 --> 33:37.740]  and so if you've been on the fence for a while or just thinking about building a business,
[33:37.740 --> 33:43.740]  or maybe you've already signed up under Logos as a distributor but just haven't really done much with it yet,
[33:43.740 --> 33:48.740]  if this is a golden opportunity, it's going to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I think,
[33:48.740 --> 33:53.740]  to have all these people here coming from the young Jevity Company all in one place two nights in a row,
[33:53.740 --> 33:58.740]  and like I said, we're expecting five to six hundred people at least at the event.
[33:58.740 --> 34:02.740]  We had five hundred people show up just for Ben Fuchs a few months ago,
[34:02.740 --> 34:07.740]  and now we've got Ben Fuchs and Joel Wallach and on and on and on and on.
[34:07.740 --> 34:13.740]  So, folks, if you want to work a table with Randy and me, we will both be there.
[34:13.740 --> 34:16.740]  Richard Reeves will be there. Katherine Moreno will be there.
[34:16.740 --> 34:23.740]  Our upline, we've got other distributors that we know for sure are going to participate in this event
[34:23.740 --> 34:28.740]  that are part of our business, part of our business structure.
[34:28.740 --> 34:35.740]  If you want to participate, now is the time to get on board so that you can take advantage of the crowd
[34:35.740 --> 34:39.740]  and the interest and sign people up to get in your downline.
[34:39.740 --> 34:42.740]  It would be a great kickstart for your business.
[34:42.740 --> 34:47.740]  So, if that's something that you're interested in working a table and enrolling people,
[34:47.740 --> 34:50.740]  getting people signed up, building your downline, building your business,
[34:50.740 --> 34:55.740]  please send me an email and let me know because we are putting that together right now
[34:55.740 --> 34:57.740]  and we actually need to get ahead count pretty soon.
[34:57.740 --> 35:01.740]  So, sorry for the kind of last-minute notice here,
[35:01.740 --> 35:05.740]  but yeah, anybody that wants to be involved in running the tables with Randy and me,
[35:05.740 --> 35:09.740]  please let me know as soon as possible by sending me an email.
[35:09.740 --> 35:12.740]  Please also don't forget the fundraiser, logosradionetwork.com.
[35:12.740 --> 35:17.740]  There's the chip-in or you can mail donations.
[35:17.740 --> 35:22.740]  The address for that is actually on the donations page of the Rule of Law radio website.
[35:22.740 --> 35:26.740]  I haven't had a chance to put that information up on the logo site yet,
[35:26.740 --> 35:30.740]  but you can go to ruleoflawradio.com and click on the Donations button
[35:30.740 --> 35:34.740]  and you can see the address and the instructions of how to mail donations.
[35:34.740 --> 35:39.740]  But if you just want to use PayPal or debit credit card, you can click on the chip-in
[35:39.740 --> 35:44.740]  and folks who really do need your help, our equipment is limping,
[35:44.740 --> 35:48.740]  we've got to get new equipment, we need things like battery backups
[35:48.740 --> 35:53.740]  so that when these central Texas thunderstorms hit, the whole network doesn't go down.
[35:53.740 --> 35:57.740]  So, folks, we do need your help and we've got to start putting some money aside
[35:57.740 --> 36:01.740]  to pay for these operating expenses because it's just like on a month-to-month basis,
[36:01.740 --> 36:06.740]  we're just barely making it and Jerry and I are having to pay mostly
[36:06.740 --> 36:10.740]  out of our own pockets to keep this thing running and we've tapped our savings dry.
[36:10.740 --> 36:12.740]  I mean, we don't have a buffer anymore.
[36:12.740 --> 36:17.740]  We don't have a buffer zone anymore for these expensive operating expenses
[36:17.740 --> 36:21.740]  and equipment purchases, so that's why we're doing the fundraiser.
[36:21.740 --> 36:24.740]  So, folks, please help us out if you value this information,
[36:24.740 --> 36:27.740]  if you like what you're hearing, if we've helped you in any way,
[36:27.740 --> 36:31.740]  if you've won a case, if you've had any success at all,
[36:31.740 --> 36:35.740]  just think how much you would have had to spend on an attorney
[36:35.740 --> 36:41.740]  and just give us a portion of that, something, or if it's just pure entertainment to you.
[36:41.740 --> 36:46.740]  I mean, hey, you know, the amount you would spend going to a movie or whatever,
[36:46.740 --> 36:48.740]  I mean, please consider giving it to us.
[36:48.740 --> 36:52.740]  Small donations are certainly welcome, but we do need your help.
[36:52.740 --> 36:54.740]  It's getting more and more expensive to stay on the air
[36:54.740 --> 36:58.740]  and we do want to stay on the air and keep providing this information to you.
[36:58.740 --> 37:03.740]  So, Randy, what do you have to say about the Young Jevity event and the fundraiser?
[37:03.740 --> 37:09.740]  Well, the Young Jevity event, I'm looking forward to being down there at it.
[37:09.740 --> 37:16.740]  The fundraiser, I have sent emails out to everyone who has donated.
[37:16.740 --> 37:23.740]  I'm going to send them some soap and I send emails to get their mailing addresses.
[37:23.740 --> 37:29.740]  In this batch, I've got three different soaps I'm going to send.
[37:29.740 --> 37:36.740]  And we're looking at if these are well received,
[37:36.740 --> 37:43.740]  we're looking at putting together a set of products that we can sell to our listeners
[37:43.740 --> 37:46.740]  to help support the radio station.
[37:46.740 --> 37:55.740]  So, I would like everyone who has sent these samples to try them out and give me some feedback.
[37:55.740 --> 38:01.740]  So far, I've been making this for a number of years, but never to sell.
[38:01.740 --> 38:09.740]  And I keep getting surprising feedback on it that it does things that were unexpected.
[38:09.740 --> 38:17.740]  I know my wife had a problem with sensitive skin and she would get little bumps on the back of her arm.
[38:17.740 --> 38:20.740]  Apparently, this is not uncommon.
[38:20.740 --> 38:24.740]  But everybody who had that used my soap that went away immediately.
[38:24.740 --> 38:27.740]  I have no idea why.
[38:27.740 --> 38:33.740]  But she used to have dry skin on her feet where it would round her heel and such.
[38:33.740 --> 38:39.740]  It would crack and make little ugly little marks, took all of that away.
[38:39.740 --> 38:50.740]  So, it does, it is a remarkable soap, but only because it doesn't have any trash in it.
[38:50.740 --> 38:52.740]  It's the best we could make.
[38:52.740 --> 38:59.740]  And when you get it, it won't take you long to figure out it's not a regular bar of soap.
[38:59.740 --> 39:04.740]  You can't take it in your hands and rub it around in your hands like you do a regular bar of soap.
[39:04.740 --> 39:08.740]  You will get way, way too much soap.
[39:08.740 --> 39:19.740]  The way I use it is I get it wet and set it down and then get my body wet and then reach up and set my hand on it for a second or so.
[39:19.740 --> 39:28.740]  And because of the way I'm making it, it doesn't have enough water in it to cause it to react.
[39:28.740 --> 39:32.740]  I have two chemicals that I put in it.
[39:32.740 --> 39:43.740]  And when they combine, both of them chemically change into a third chemical that really makes the soap work the way it does.
[39:43.740 --> 39:47.740]  Well, I don't put enough water in it to get that reaction to happen.
[39:47.740 --> 39:56.740]  So, when you put your hand on it, your hands wet, it causes it to react and the soap will foam right up under your hand.
[39:56.740 --> 39:59.740]  It's not like anything you've ever used before.
[39:59.740 --> 40:07.740]  So, anybody who donates, I will send you a sample and we will put together a set of products.
[40:07.740 --> 40:11.740]  I'm sending it as a solid soap.
[40:11.740 --> 40:20.740]  I've been working on that technology, but Deborah and my daughter and some others really prefer my soap as liquid.
[40:20.740 --> 40:28.740]  And if you get this open, you prefer it as liquid, just drop it in a quart of water.
[40:28.740 --> 40:33.740]  Leave it overnight and it'll turn into a liquid soap.
[40:33.740 --> 40:41.740]  If you don't have enough water in it, you'll get a suds on the top, a little white layer on the top.
[40:41.740 --> 40:45.740]  And that simply means there's not enough water to hold everything in solution.
[40:45.740 --> 40:50.740]  There's a little bit more water to it and it'll go to a nice amber viscous liquid.
[40:50.740 --> 40:56.740]  It has a real nice feel to it, but it doesn't take much.
[40:56.740 --> 41:04.740]  Anyway, get us our mailing addresses if you donate and I will get you some of this and you can try it out.
[41:04.740 --> 41:07.740]  Give me some feedback if you like it.
[41:07.740 --> 41:12.740]  You know, my wife uses it for laundry, she uses it to clean carpet with.
[41:12.740 --> 41:19.740]  She works at a car dealership and they had a problem with the tile, they couldn't get anything to get the stains off the tile.
[41:19.740 --> 41:24.740]  It took some of my soap, I threw some peroxide in it, she dumped it on the floor and it took it right out.
[41:24.740 --> 41:29.740]  So you really like it, use it for almost anything.
[41:29.740 --> 41:39.740]  And it has no harsh chemicals in it, so it can cause something to lose color if you use it pure.
[41:39.740 --> 41:42.740]  But I never suggest you use that.
[41:42.740 --> 41:49.740]  It's like 50 times stronger than what you'd normally get at the store, but it won't hurt you.
[41:49.740 --> 41:55.740]  But it has good products, so if you're going to use it like to wash your car with,
[41:55.740 --> 42:01.740]  put a half a cup full of five gallons of water and that's way more soap than you'd expect to need.
[42:01.740 --> 42:07.740]  And by the way, it was developed for that purpose and it does that extremely well.
[42:07.740 --> 42:16.740]  So anyway, donate lots so I can send out lots of free soap and maybe we can use this to help support the network.
[42:16.740 --> 42:22.740]  I do have a caller, I'm hoping we'll call in, he's got a little crowing to do.
[42:22.740 --> 42:31.740]  We had Chris from Texas has been calling in about this towing issue where this company towed his daughter's car.
[42:31.740 --> 42:40.740]  It was all improper, I'm hoping he'll call in on the next segment or so and do a little crowing about that.
[42:40.740 --> 42:42.740]  He made him cry uncle.
[42:42.740 --> 42:48.740]  And I have a couple of things I'd like to talk about when we come back on the other side.
[42:48.740 --> 42:54.740]  One of the things is the FDCPA issue.
[42:54.740 --> 43:03.740]  I think we found a first plus issue in there that we can give the court something to dance with.
[43:03.740 --> 43:17.740]  And we are beginning to have some very good results going after the fine details and stop drinking the koozade that the banks and everybody else point out for us.
[43:17.740 --> 43:25.740]  Oh, and I do want to talk about the elections. Really bad news in Cherokee County.
[43:25.740 --> 43:30.740]  The district attorney and county attorney both lost the election.
[43:30.740 --> 43:32.740]  Oh, woe is me.
[43:32.740 --> 43:39.740]  They're going to be back on the streets and I'll get to visit some of the stuff on them they visited to me.
[43:39.740 --> 43:41.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Deb.
[43:41.740 --> 43:49.740]  Greg, who is on radio. We're going to turn our phone lines on. So give us a call 512-646-1984.
[43:49.740 --> 44:12.740]  We'll be right back.
[44:19.740 --> 44:26.740]  D&T Catherine Mallet also overheard one agent say to another, close, is that why we got the page to not come in today?
[44:26.740 --> 44:34.740]  Bruce Shaw, as interviewed on KFOR TV, was also told by ATF agents that they had been paged to not come into work.
[44:34.740 --> 44:41.740]  The ATF initially denied these claims and now variously claim that one of their agents was in a free falling elevator which has been disproven,
[44:41.740 --> 44:45.740]  or that they had been in an all night stick out, or that they had been in a golf tournament.
[44:45.740 --> 44:50.740]  As they try to sort out their lies, all we want to know is, did the ATF receive a warning?
[44:50.740 --> 44:55.740]  And if so, why did they not pass it on to others and memorials?
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[46:21.740 --> 46:47.740]  Okay folks, we are back. If you'd like to call in, just 512-646-1984.
[46:47.740 --> 46:52.740]  We've got about an hour and 15 minutes left of the show, so don't wait until the last minute.
[46:52.740 --> 46:58.740]  The calls always seem to stack up on the board the last half an hour, 15 minutes of half an hour of the show.
[46:58.740 --> 47:07.740]  So please call in. If you have questions, comments, you want to discuss the election, you want to crow about some victories or ask questions.
[47:07.740 --> 47:17.740]  So maybe we can help you. We've got our caller on the line right now, Chris from Texas, who wants to call and crow a little bit about how he kicked their butts.
[47:17.740 --> 47:23.740]  I remember him talking about this on the air a few times already. Chris, thanks for calling in.
[47:23.740 --> 47:25.740]  Hey, how y'all doing this evening?
[47:25.740 --> 47:28.740]  Pretty good.
[47:28.740 --> 47:37.740]  So give us the scoop for the listeners out here who don't know the story. Why don't you give us a little brief background and then tell us about the victory.
[47:37.740 --> 47:46.740]  Okay, a little bit of brief background is my daughter went over to an apartment complex to visit a friend.
[47:46.740 --> 47:59.740]  They were there all of five minutes and a tow truck came up and started to tow their car. They actually went out there and found him in the process of doing it.
[47:59.740 --> 48:11.740]  Well, I got news for everybody out there. If you have to go to court with these guys, they will lie, lie, lie in court.
[48:11.740 --> 48:16.740]  Yes, so that's a reason to film, videotape everything.
[48:16.740 --> 48:28.740]  On the spot, whenever there's something going down, you get video of it immediately on the spot, the whole thing, so that when they lie in court, then you can take them down for perjury.
[48:28.740 --> 48:30.740]  Okay, so go ahead, Chris.
[48:30.740 --> 48:35.740]  Yes, which is exactly what we have this tow truck driver.
[48:35.740 --> 48:49.740]  This was their fatal flaw when we had to go back to court. We went to court first time and we got a continuance, which I would imagine is unheard of for these little probable cause hearings that they have.
[48:49.740 --> 49:07.740]  And when we went back to court over here on Tuesday, their fatal flaw was bringing the tow truck driver in because he was not expecting for us to bring up the fact that his license was expired.
[49:07.740 --> 49:24.740]  And when I say license, let me explain what I mean when I say license. It's not his driver's license. He has to have a tow truck operator license with the Texas Department of Licensing and Registration.
[49:24.740 --> 49:33.740]  And if that license is expired, they are not able to do consent or non-consent towing.
[49:33.740 --> 49:46.740]  Oh, wait a minute. If he operated in a license capacity when he didn't have a license, that's a class A misdemeanor.
[49:46.740 --> 49:51.740]  Well, I was thinking more like grand theft auto being a felony.
[49:51.740 --> 50:09.740]  Well, that too. Well, actually, you can't accuse someone of stealing your automobile unless you can prove that they intended to permanently deprive you of the vehicle.
[50:09.740 --> 50:21.740]  Oh, well then. Okay, Randy, explain to me what constitutes aggravated perjury as opposed to just perjury.
[50:21.740 --> 50:40.740]  That is a good question. Aggravated perjury goes to lying about a material fact. And to state the difference between the two, I'd have to go back and read the nuance of the code.
[50:40.740 --> 50:45.740]  One of them, I really don't know.
[50:45.740 --> 51:00.740]  Would a material fact be him sitting there telling the judge, yes, I went ahead and renewed my license four days before it expired in September, and it just hasn't arrived yet.
[51:00.740 --> 51:10.740]  And then he knows the judge that, I mean, she told him as soon as she brought it up on their website, she said, sir, your license shows here, it's expired.
[51:10.740 --> 51:16.740]  And he said, but I have, I've gotten it, it's on its way.
[51:16.740 --> 51:24.740]  And she said, well, you can bring that up on appeal. And that's when she found in favor of my daughter.
[51:24.740 --> 51:36.740]  Then when we were leaving, I called the TDLR and checked with them and they said that his license showed to be expired as of September 29, 2012,
[51:36.740 --> 51:48.740]  and that he had not renewed it, and then he would have to take a four hour class and $158 later, he could renew his license.
[51:48.740 --> 51:56.740]  That's a material fact. That's aggravated perjury.
[51:56.740 --> 52:02.740]  Okay. I thought that that's what he had done.
[52:02.740 --> 52:15.740]  Now, that's a nice thing to take to the first take to the district attorney, the district attorney refused to act on it, and then take it to the attorney general.
[52:15.740 --> 52:26.740]  Because as a, well, I don't know, as a licensed official, you take the district attorney to the attorney general.
[52:26.740 --> 52:32.740]  And this is something you can push directly to a grand jury.
[52:32.740 --> 52:45.740]  If the complaint was against a public official, then the attorney general would have had a regional jurisdiction along with the local prosecutor attorney.
[52:45.740 --> 52:48.740]  But this is a licensed issue, so that's different.
[52:48.740 --> 52:53.740]  But that's a class A misdemeanor.
[52:53.740 --> 53:00.740]  Aggravated perjury, that's a first degree felony. I'm sorry, I think it's a second degree felony.
[53:00.740 --> 53:02.740]  Yeah, the second or third degree.
[53:02.740 --> 53:10.740]  Yeah, but it's definitely a felony that put his behind back in the can.
[53:10.740 --> 53:13.740]  So, tell us how much you got.
[53:13.740 --> 53:24.740]  We ended up getting $400 plus what was $390.77, which is the exact amount of the toe, plus she gave us the court cost.
[53:24.740 --> 53:32.740]  She gave me the cost of the printing of all those pictures I had to print out for them and the cost of the paper.
[53:32.740 --> 53:38.740]  And she threw in like $10 for paper.
[53:38.740 --> 53:40.740]  Wonderful.
[53:40.740 --> 53:46.740]  Okay, now what is your plan from this point?
[53:46.740 --> 54:08.740]  I'm taking the judge's advice and going straight to the state court to sue them for the way that the law states it is that you consume for the amount of the property that they intended to deprive you of.
[54:08.740 --> 54:13.740]  Wonderful. Hope it was a new car.
[54:13.740 --> 54:15.740]  It was a brand new car.
[54:15.740 --> 54:22.740]  Oh, good news. So they might buy you a car from you, especially.
[54:22.740 --> 54:28.740]  Yeah, $24,000 car, and we can sue for three times that amount.
[54:28.740 --> 54:35.740]  Wonderful. And this is likely to be dead bank.
[54:35.740 --> 54:39.740]  You've already, it is rest judicata.
[54:39.740 --> 54:44.740]  It's already been adjudicated that he had no license at the time of the toe.
[54:44.740 --> 54:47.740]  It doesn't matter if he's applied for one.
[54:47.740 --> 54:54.740]  Even though, you know, he stated that that was aggravated perjury because that was a material fact.
[54:54.740 --> 55:11.740]  If he had applied for one soon enough and it had already been issued and he just didn't have it in his hand, then that would have been sufficient to overcome the convicted, the ruling against him.
[55:11.740 --> 55:13.740]  So it was a material fact.
[55:13.740 --> 55:24.740]  I have a question here because we've talked about this before in this particular court that Chris got involved with. He was going to file a state lawsuit.
[55:24.740 --> 55:39.740]  And then somehow the clerk managed to railroad him into filing for some administrative hearing for due process under the transportation code, but this has nothing to do with transportation.
[55:39.740 --> 55:43.740]  This is a private car on private property.
[55:43.740 --> 55:45.740]  So I don't understand.
[55:45.740 --> 55:53.740]  We didn't get the listeners and me, at least on this level, have not gotten the link here to what happened.
[55:53.740 --> 56:00.740]  Why did this hearing proceed anyway when this has nothing to do with transportation at all?
[56:00.740 --> 56:10.740]  Well, I thought that you were going to either make the clerk file the case in the proper venue. What happened here?
[56:10.740 --> 56:13.740]  That was before the phone call.
[56:13.740 --> 56:21.740]  I can't accuse the judge of being the one who made that clerk make the phone call on Monday.
[56:21.740 --> 56:39.740]  But on Monday, the clerk called up my daughter and said that the judge had said that she could not take into account city ordinances that that had to go over into either a municipal court or a state court.
[56:39.740 --> 56:47.740]  And that's also where the advice came from about the suing in state court.
[56:47.740 --> 56:55.740]  Okay, but I still don't understand why this case proceeded when this has nothing to do with transportation.
[56:55.740 --> 56:59.740]  I mean, was this the probable cause hearing that you were talking about?
[56:59.740 --> 57:01.740]  Yes, this was the probable cause hearing.
[57:01.740 --> 57:07.740]  But how did that go? I just don't even understand how that case even proceeded.
[57:07.740 --> 57:11.740]  How did the probable cause hearing even proceed when this case has nothing to do with transportation?
[57:11.740 --> 57:15.740]  This was a private car on private property.
[57:15.740 --> 57:20.740]  To be honest, I only allowed that to continue is because I knew the guy's license was expired.
[57:20.740 --> 57:22.740]  Oh, okay, okay.
[57:22.740 --> 57:40.740]  And I knew that I could take the judge's opinion and ruling that they did not have probable cause because he did not have a license and walk that right over into another court and say, hey, this is what the judge ruled over there.
[57:40.740 --> 57:43.740]  Good job, Chris. Good job.
[57:43.740 --> 57:56.740]  I had that kind of as a backup plan just in case because I also know that the vehicle storage facility has no insurance because the state revoked it.
[57:56.740 --> 57:59.740]  Oh, wonderful.
[57:59.740 --> 58:06.740]  And this is fraud. You can go after their house even if it's homesteaded.
[58:06.740 --> 58:08.740]  Really?
[58:08.740 --> 58:12.740]  Fraud mitigates everything. You lose all protection under fraud.
[58:12.740 --> 58:15.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Deb Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[58:15.740 --> 58:18.740]  We've already gone to our top of the hour break.
[58:18.740 --> 58:21.740]  Hang on, Chris. We will pitch you up on the other side.
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[01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:44.740]  Okay, folks, we are back for hour two of our Thursday, November 8th edition of Rule of Law here on the Logos Radio Network.
[01:03:44.740 --> 01:03:54.740]  Before we went to break, we were talking about this due process hearing administrative court that falls under the transportation code
[01:03:54.740 --> 01:04:02.740]  that the clerk had apparently, quote, unquote, it would seem railroaded Chris to file his case
[01:04:02.740 --> 01:04:07.740]  when Chris was actually going to file a state lawsuit against this tow truck driver.
[01:04:07.740 --> 01:04:18.740]  Well, under normal circumstances, if he'd had a license, a valid license, you wouldn't want to file suit in that court
[01:04:18.740 --> 01:04:20.740]  because it's completely inapplicable.
[01:04:20.740 --> 01:04:23.740]  It's a non-sequitur.
[01:04:23.740 --> 01:04:25.740]  It wouldn't fall under the transportation code.
[01:04:25.740 --> 01:04:31.740]  There's a private car on private properties, a private civil matter, possibly even a criminal matter,
[01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:34.740]  but not anything that would fall under the transportation code.
[01:04:34.740 --> 01:04:41.740]  But because the guy didn't have a license, that's why Chris decided to go ahead and pursue it in that particular court.
[01:04:41.740 --> 01:04:48.740]  So I just wanted to make that clarification that if the guy did have a license, you probably wouldn't really want to do it in that court.
[01:04:48.740 --> 01:04:53.740]  You would want to withdraw and go into a standard court, possibly even federal court.
[01:04:53.740 --> 01:04:56.740]  Okay, this is an issue I wanted to look at.
[01:04:56.740 --> 01:05:08.740]  I suspect that the tow truck driver hears that the towing company is going to fall under the transportation code.
[01:05:08.740 --> 01:05:15.740]  And that's why you'd be able to take it to a hearing under transportation code,
[01:05:15.740 --> 01:05:26.740]  because you were subject to it because he was, because he was operating a business using the public thoroughfare.
[01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:33.740]  So that would put him under transportation code.
[01:05:33.740 --> 01:05:40.740]  Randy, how does that allow him to come onto private property under the guise of a contract?
[01:05:40.740 --> 01:05:42.740]  That's what I was going to say.
[01:05:42.740 --> 01:05:45.740]  What does that have to do with transportation?
[01:05:45.740 --> 01:05:52.740]  Because if he is operating under private contract and showing a car off private property,
[01:05:52.740 --> 01:05:55.740]  I don't see how the transportation code could possibly apply at all.
[01:05:55.740 --> 01:06:02.740]  His licensing and the operation of his business, it's just like if he was hauling product,
[01:06:02.740 --> 01:06:11.740]  if he came to a warehouse, if the warehouse is private property and he picks up materials and then he transports them somewhere else.
[01:06:11.740 --> 01:06:20.740]  This guy came and picked up your car for the purpose of transporting it on the public thoroughfares for pay.
[01:06:20.740 --> 01:06:23.740]  That puts him under transportation code.
[01:06:23.740 --> 01:06:35.740]  So I'm certain that, I haven't looked it up yet, but the towing activity is going to be regulated under the transportation code,
[01:06:35.740 --> 01:06:46.740]  because it is a business that is specifically about transporting automobiles for pay on the public thoroughfares.
[01:06:46.740 --> 01:06:49.740]  And that's probably what would bring him there.
[01:06:49.740 --> 01:06:51.740]  But haven't looked it up yet.
[01:06:51.740 --> 01:06:53.740]  Does that make sense?
[01:06:53.740 --> 01:06:55.740]  Yeah, that makes sense.
[01:06:55.740 --> 01:06:58.740]  I agree with you on him being under it.
[01:06:58.740 --> 01:07:00.740]  Right, you're not.
[01:07:00.740 --> 01:07:13.740]  They dragged you into it by making you go through this probable cause hearing to determine whether or not the individual who was in the transportation code
[01:07:13.740 --> 01:07:16.740]  had probable cause to take your property to begin with.
[01:07:16.740 --> 01:07:19.740]  Yeah, you're not the one being brought to court.
[01:07:19.740 --> 01:07:21.740]  He is.
[01:07:21.740 --> 01:07:27.740]  So he's the one that's being drugged into court by you, and this would challenge his license.
[01:07:27.740 --> 01:07:31.740]  Well, see, that was my question regarding the probable cause hearing.
[01:07:31.740 --> 01:07:40.740]  Was this a probable cause hearing to determine if the tow truck driver did anything wrong, or if your daughter did anything wrong?
[01:07:40.740 --> 01:07:49.740]  Well, the way the judge explained it at the very beginning of the hearing on the first hearing we had was she said,
[01:07:49.740 --> 01:07:58.740]  this is a probable cause hearing to determine whether or not the tow driver had probable cause to tow your car.
[01:07:58.740 --> 01:08:04.740]  In other words, if your daughter did anything wrong, that went out of the way.
[01:08:04.740 --> 01:08:11.740]  No, this was to see if the tow truck driver had authority to do what he did.
[01:08:11.740 --> 01:08:22.740]  To see if the tow truck driver, if there was probable cause for the tow truck driver to do what he did, which to me indicates to make a determination
[01:08:22.740 --> 01:08:28.740]  if Chris's daughter did anything wrong that would warrant probable cause for this tow truck driver to do something.
[01:08:28.740 --> 01:08:34.740]  In other words, the daughter is the one who's on the hot seat here, not the tow truck driver.
[01:08:34.740 --> 01:08:38.740]  That's why I was saying I don't see how that court would apply.
[01:08:38.740 --> 01:08:41.740]  She wasn't in transportation. She was on private property.
[01:08:41.740 --> 01:08:45.740]  You see, the driver's being, he's the defendant here.
[01:08:45.740 --> 01:09:00.740]  So the one who drags him into court, they have to come up first and give prima facia evidence that his act was improper.
[01:09:00.740 --> 01:09:04.740]  So she's the plaintiff. She's not the defendant here.
[01:09:04.740 --> 01:09:13.740]  So she has to make a prima facia case. He doesn't have to prove anything until a prima facia case has been made against him.
[01:09:13.740 --> 01:09:23.740]  And once a prima facia case has been made, then he has to address the burden shifts to him.
[01:09:23.740 --> 01:09:32.740]  Just like you get a ticket, the prosecution has to make their case first before you have to respond.
[01:09:32.740 --> 01:09:40.740]  So here we've all watched these TV programs where somebody put on a case and the defendant, after the prosecutor got finished,
[01:09:40.740 --> 01:09:49.740]  the defendant stands up and says, I move for summary dismissal as the prosecution failed to prove its case.
[01:09:49.740 --> 01:09:52.740]  If they don't prove the case, you don't have to defend.
[01:09:52.740 --> 01:09:54.740]  So that's why the daughter had to tell her story.
[01:09:54.740 --> 01:10:02.740]  And in no case under any kind of threat or obligation here, only he was.
[01:10:02.740 --> 01:10:18.740]  And it was probably the transportation code that stipulated this hearing and designated the justice of the peace as the person to preside over the hearing.
[01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:23.740]  Eddie would probably know that.
[01:10:23.740 --> 01:10:31.740]  And the thing that really, this is why for anybody listening, this is why you don't want to have to go to one of these little hearings,
[01:10:31.740 --> 01:10:41.740]  because your individual cities have city ordinances that govern these particular issues.
[01:10:41.740 --> 01:10:45.740]  The state statute even says that it allows for it.
[01:10:45.740 --> 01:10:52.740]  But when you get to the justice of the peace court, she immediately tells you, I cannot hear city ordinance.
[01:10:52.740 --> 01:10:55.740]  That's because of the nature of the hearing.
[01:10:55.740 --> 01:11:08.740]  If you were to bring accusations against the towing company based on city ordinance, you'd bring that to the municipal court.
[01:11:08.740 --> 01:11:10.740]  The JP can't adjudicate.
[01:11:10.740 --> 01:11:12.740]  He's a county official.
[01:11:12.740 --> 01:11:18.740]  I mean, he can't address municipal court issues.
[01:11:18.740 --> 01:11:22.740]  So that would have to go to a municipal court and JP was right.
[01:11:22.740 --> 01:11:24.740]  He could only address the state issues.
[01:11:24.740 --> 01:11:34.740]  And I suspect he's going to have specific authority concerning transportation code issues, which we already know he does because he here's tickets.
[01:11:34.740 --> 01:11:44.740]  So actually it would seem that if he's under the same authority that he has otherwise in the transportation code,
[01:11:44.740 --> 01:11:48.740]  the municipal court would be able to hold this hearing as well.
[01:11:48.740 --> 01:11:53.740]  Well, the municipal courts where it goes when they go on appeal.
[01:11:53.740 --> 01:11:56.740]  No, no, that'll go to the county.
[01:11:56.740 --> 01:12:02.740]  Hmm. They told me over there that it went to the, because we asked them if they do appeal it, where's it going to go?
[01:12:02.740 --> 01:12:05.740]  And she said it'll go to the municipal court.
[01:12:05.740 --> 01:12:09.740]  Absolutely not ever going to happen.
[01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:15.740]  The municipal court judge is an appointed official. The justice of the piece is an elected official.
[01:12:15.740 --> 01:12:20.740]  You are not going to have a two-bit municipal judge overruling the JP.
[01:12:20.740 --> 01:12:22.740]  That is not going to happen.
[01:12:22.740 --> 01:12:25.740]  They are absolutely wrong about that.
[01:12:25.740 --> 01:12:29.740]  The only place to go from the JP is to the county court.
[01:12:29.740 --> 01:12:39.740]  Well, I definitely take your word for it more than I take theirs because they also did not know what rules govern that court over there.
[01:12:39.740 --> 01:12:43.740]  Well, that portion was Chapter 45.
[01:12:43.740 --> 01:12:49.740]  But here we're talking about strictly a transportation code issue, but it's going to be the same as a ticket.
[01:12:49.740 --> 01:12:53.740]  Tickets under transportation code as well.
[01:12:53.740 --> 01:13:02.740]  If a ticket is issued by a municipal police officer, a municipal judge can hear transportation code issues.
[01:13:02.740 --> 01:13:11.740]  So it may be that this towing company is primarily governed by the county.
[01:13:11.740 --> 01:13:15.740]  And that's why the justice of the piece here is it.
[01:13:15.740 --> 01:13:22.740]  If you're given a ticket outside of municipality, then the JP hears it.
[01:13:22.740 --> 01:13:27.740]  If you're given a ticket inside of municipality, the municipal court hears it.
[01:13:27.740 --> 01:13:38.740]  But if this towing company is governed county-wide, then by the county, then it would almost certainly go to the JP.
[01:13:38.740 --> 01:13:42.740]  And that's probably why the venue went where it did.
[01:13:42.740 --> 01:13:50.740]  But before we went to the break, you asked me about perjury, an aggravated perjury.
[01:13:50.740 --> 01:13:51.740]  Yes, sir.
[01:13:51.740 --> 01:13:55.740]  I'm glad you did because I looked it up and now I understand it.
[01:13:55.740 --> 01:13:58.740]  Perjury, 3702 penal code.
[01:13:58.740 --> 01:14:06.740]  A person commits an offense if with intent to deceive and with knowledge of the statement's meaning.
[01:14:06.740 --> 01:14:13.740]  He makes a false statement under oath or swears to the truth of a false statement previously made,
[01:14:13.740 --> 01:14:18.740]  and the statement is required or authorized by law to be made under oath.
[01:14:18.740 --> 01:14:27.740]  We're talking here about affidavits or any document that is validated or acknowledged by a notary.
[01:14:27.740 --> 01:14:35.740]  Or he makes a false, unsworn declaration under Chapter 132, Civil Practice and Remedies Code.
[01:14:35.740 --> 01:14:37.740]  I haven't looked that one up yet.
[01:14:37.740 --> 01:14:40.740]  Then offense under this section is a class A misdemeanor.
[01:14:40.740 --> 01:14:44.740]  Aggravated perjury, 37.03.
[01:14:44.740 --> 01:14:50.740]  A person commits an offense if he commits perjury as defined in 3702,
[01:14:50.740 --> 01:14:57.740]  and the false statement is made during or in connection with an official proceeding,
[01:14:57.740 --> 01:15:00.740]  and is material.
[01:15:00.740 --> 01:15:05.740]  And offense under this section is a felony of a third degree.
[01:15:05.740 --> 01:15:18.740]  So in your account, materiality, 37.04, a statement is material regardless of the admissibility of the statement under the rules of evidence
[01:15:18.740 --> 01:15:25.740]  if it could have affected the course or outcome of the official proceeding.
[01:15:25.740 --> 01:15:37.740]  It is no defense to prosecution under 37.03, Aggravated Perjury, that the death are mistakenly believed the statement to be immaterial.
[01:15:37.740 --> 01:15:44.740]  Whether a statement is material in a given factual situation is a question of law.
[01:15:44.740 --> 01:15:47.740]  There you have it.
[01:15:47.740 --> 01:15:52.740]  So if you lie on an affidavit, that's perjury.
[01:15:52.740 --> 01:16:03.740]  If you lie in court to something that matters, if you lie about how much you weigh in the courts about doesn't have anything to do with your weight, that's immaterial.
[01:16:03.740 --> 01:16:16.740]  But in this case, if you lie about having a valid license and you don't, that is very material.
[01:16:16.740 --> 01:16:23.740]  Then he's going dead.
[01:16:23.740 --> 01:16:35.740]  So you don't think it would be wise to go back to the judge who just found against him and who he lied to?
[01:16:35.740 --> 01:16:37.740]  And file a complaint of Aggravated Perjury.
[01:16:37.740 --> 01:16:40.740]  Yeah, the judge is not going to like that.
[01:16:40.740 --> 01:16:42.740]  I think that's a good thing.
[01:16:42.740 --> 01:16:44.740]  That's probably the best place to take it.
[01:16:44.740 --> 01:16:46.740]  Okay, hang on.
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[01:20:15.740 --> 01:20:21.740]  Okay, we are back Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, Eddie Craig from Real Law Radio
[01:20:21.740 --> 01:20:26.740]  And we're talking to Chris in Texas and while we're on the break we kinda
[01:20:26.740 --> 01:20:31.740]  Check this around a little bit
[01:20:31.740 --> 01:20:36.740]  Wait for the music to kind of fade a little
[01:20:36.740 --> 01:20:39.740]  There we go, now we kinda kick this around a little bit
[01:20:39.740 --> 01:20:46.740]  And it occurred to me, you know, Chris mentioned that during this hearing
[01:20:46.740 --> 01:20:51.740]  The owner of the company testified
[01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:57.740]  And I was under the impression that the tow truck driver was the next felon
[01:20:57.740 --> 01:21:02.740]  But it wasn't, it was the owner of the company
[01:21:02.740 --> 01:21:07.740]  Therefore the owner of the company can't testify
[01:21:07.740 --> 01:21:10.740]  Because we've said this on the show a number of times
[01:21:10.740 --> 01:21:15.740]  What constitutes a credible person
[01:21:15.740 --> 01:21:26.740]  In the Texas Penal Code, a credible person is defined as
[01:21:26.740 --> 01:21:36.740]  A person over the age of 18 who has never been convicted of a felony
[01:21:36.740 --> 01:21:45.740]  So if Chris sues them and the owner of the company tries to testify
[01:21:45.740 --> 01:21:51.740]  Either on the stand or through affidavit
[01:21:51.740 --> 01:21:56.740]  You can raise an objection as he is not allowed to testify
[01:21:56.740 --> 01:22:01.740]  As he is not a credible person
[01:22:01.740 --> 01:22:05.740]  That should be interesting
[01:22:05.740 --> 01:22:11.740]  You just gave me more ammo to fight on in the state court
[01:22:11.740 --> 01:22:15.740]  It'll just make it a lot more fun to be interesting to
[01:22:15.740 --> 01:22:22.740]  This is one you might, especially when you're bringing Class A misdemeanor felony charges
[01:22:22.740 --> 01:22:30.740]  What I suggest you consider is start with pre-litigation discovery
[01:22:30.740 --> 01:22:34.740]  We have pre-litigation discovery in Texas
[01:22:34.740 --> 01:22:40.740]  You have ample grounds to request pre-litigation discovery
[01:22:40.740 --> 01:22:46.740]  Through the district court because your case will be big enough
[01:22:46.740 --> 01:22:49.740]  To land in the district court
[01:22:49.740 --> 01:22:53.740]  And ask the district court for pre-litigation discovery
[01:22:53.740 --> 01:22:58.740]  Of all of the toes made by this operator
[01:22:58.740 --> 01:23:08.740]  From the time his license expired until the current date
[01:23:08.740 --> 01:23:11.740]  Because you don't know if he's still towing or not
[01:23:11.740 --> 01:23:18.740]  Well how about if, would I be able to also ask for all the toes from the time
[01:23:18.740 --> 01:23:24.740]  That the vehicle storage facilities insurance was revoked by the state?
[01:23:24.740 --> 01:23:34.740]  Have you looked in the code for the requirements to operate this type of business?
[01:23:34.740 --> 01:23:35.740]  Yes
[01:23:35.740 --> 01:23:38.740]  Does it require the...
[01:23:38.740 --> 01:23:39.740]  Do you require it?
[01:23:39.740 --> 01:23:40.740]  Yes
[01:23:40.740 --> 01:23:41.740]  Do you require it?
[01:23:41.740 --> 01:23:42.740]  Sure
[01:23:42.740 --> 01:23:45.740]  Okay then, absolutely
[01:23:45.740 --> 01:23:53.740]  And I would suggest that you don't sue for three times the amount of that car
[01:23:53.740 --> 01:24:01.740]  I suggest you sue for three times the amount of every car they towed
[01:24:01.740 --> 01:24:02.740]  Oh I love it
[01:24:02.740 --> 01:24:07.740]  Okay, you're looking at these guys going to prison
[01:24:07.740 --> 01:24:14.740]  And if the owner is a convicted felon, you know, he could be looking at serious big time
[01:24:14.740 --> 01:24:18.740]  And what if you do this...
[01:24:18.740 --> 01:24:21.740]  Okay, this is probably something we shouldn't...
[01:24:21.740 --> 01:24:23.740]  We'll just toss this on the air
[01:24:23.740 --> 01:24:29.740]  If this is a towing company, they work real close with the police
[01:24:29.740 --> 01:24:32.740]  And local municipalities and such
[01:24:32.740 --> 01:24:35.740]  Because they're on a list where they...
[01:24:35.740 --> 01:24:40.740]  The police, when they call for a tow, they have this list
[01:24:40.740 --> 01:24:42.740]  They have this rotation list
[01:24:42.740 --> 01:24:46.740]  Yeah, they go down the list and they just take one after the other
[01:24:46.740 --> 01:24:50.740]  It's kind of like a point in court upon a council, they do the same thing
[01:24:50.740 --> 01:24:53.740]  So they're involved with the cities
[01:24:53.740 --> 01:24:58.740]  If there's entanglement
[01:24:58.740 --> 01:25:06.740]  You can wind up with public officials getting entangled in this issue
[01:25:06.740 --> 01:25:09.740]  And this all goes to politics
[01:25:09.740 --> 01:25:15.740]  And it goes to the big fish while on the little fish
[01:25:15.740 --> 01:25:22.740]  And in the overall scheme of things, the towing companies are relatively little fish
[01:25:22.740 --> 01:25:30.740]  So if you can make the big fish nervous enough, they'll swallow the little fish for you
[01:25:30.740 --> 01:25:36.740]  Or they will feed you the little fish to keep you from eating them
[01:25:36.740 --> 01:25:39.740]  This could get real interesting
[01:25:39.740 --> 01:25:41.740]  But the way to...
[01:25:41.740 --> 01:25:47.740]  And pre-negation discovery is a good way to get them to come to you and say, hey
[01:25:47.740 --> 01:25:50.740]  Let's make a deal
[01:25:50.740 --> 01:25:54.740]  What can we do to make this go away? That's where you want to go
[01:25:54.740 --> 01:25:58.740]  But unless you want to put them out of business, there's a chance you may be able to do that
[01:25:58.740 --> 01:26:03.740]  But what you're more likely to be able to do is get them to come to you and make a deal
[01:26:03.740 --> 01:26:09.740]  And if it looks like you're going to entangle some public officials in this sticky nasty mess
[01:26:09.740 --> 01:26:13.740]  They're likely to go to this guy and say, fix it
[01:26:13.740 --> 01:26:15.740]  Ah
[01:26:15.740 --> 01:26:18.740]  It's all about the politics
[01:26:18.740 --> 01:26:21.740]  I told you about the making the connection
[01:26:21.740 --> 01:26:24.740]  I mean, I'm not going to say...
[01:26:24.740 --> 01:26:30.740]  I don't know that I need to say on the air again the exact connections we've made
[01:26:30.740 --> 01:26:39.740]  But we made a bunch of connections that draw public officials into the ordeal
[01:26:39.740 --> 01:26:41.740]  Yeah, that's what I was referring to
[01:26:41.740 --> 01:26:46.740]  We're kind of reluctant, I guess everybody can understand where you're reluctant to say exactly what we got
[01:26:46.740 --> 01:26:54.740]  But if you've got public officials, even if they haven't done anything wrong
[01:26:54.740 --> 01:26:58.740]  He goes to Kim's second rule
[01:26:58.740 --> 01:27:00.740]  Perception is everything
[01:27:00.740 --> 01:27:04.740]  If you can make them look like they've got dirty fingers
[01:27:04.740 --> 01:27:13.740]  That is likely to be enough to sting them good and get them to put pressure on the towing company to make you a deal
[01:27:13.740 --> 01:27:17.740]  Get you to go away and be blown
[01:27:17.740 --> 01:27:20.740]  So that they don't have to wind up swallowing the towing company
[01:27:20.740 --> 01:27:22.740]  There's going to be...
[01:27:22.740 --> 01:27:26.740]  If they're using a driver who is not licensed
[01:27:26.740 --> 01:27:36.740]  I have no doubt that the owner of the towing company is going to be criminally liable along with the driver
[01:27:36.740 --> 01:27:41.740]  You need to look at the professions code
[01:27:41.740 --> 01:27:44.740]  Occupations and professions code
[01:27:44.740 --> 01:27:46.740]  And see what it says about that
[01:27:46.740 --> 01:27:50.740]  Do you know which section of that goes to tow truck drivers?
[01:27:50.740 --> 01:27:53.740]  2308 of the occupations code
[01:27:53.740 --> 01:27:55.740]  2208?
[01:27:55.740 --> 01:27:57.740]  2308
[01:27:57.740 --> 01:27:59.740]  Oh, 2308
[01:27:59.740 --> 01:28:08.740]  We look in there and there's either going to be a reference to the transportation code
[01:28:08.740 --> 01:28:10.740]  Yes, there is
[01:28:10.740 --> 01:28:15.740]  Okay, do you know what the reference is?
[01:28:15.740 --> 01:28:21.740]  No, not on top of my head, but if you give me just a second, I'll pull it up
[01:28:21.740 --> 01:28:25.740]  Okay, this is kind of where we want to go
[01:28:25.740 --> 01:28:28.740]  Because...
[01:28:28.740 --> 01:28:36.740]  Oh my, they have a chapter in here for regulating stevedores
[01:28:36.740 --> 01:28:38.740]  Regulating what?
[01:28:38.740 --> 01:28:41.740]  Stevedores
[01:28:41.740 --> 01:28:46.740]  That's the old trucks they used to use on the ships and such
[01:28:46.740 --> 01:28:49.740]  I don't think they use those anymore
[01:28:49.740 --> 01:28:51.740]  Okay, I think that's what it is
[01:28:51.740 --> 01:28:53.740]  I may be mistaken anyway
[01:28:53.740 --> 01:28:59.740]  Not to get distracted, it's called 2308
[01:28:59.740 --> 01:29:03.740]  It'll take too long to go through this, but
[01:29:03.740 --> 01:29:07.740]  I want to look down at the bottom, that's generally where you'll find
[01:29:07.740 --> 01:29:10.740]  The violation is criminal penalty towing
[01:29:10.740 --> 01:29:14.740]  A person commits an offense if the person violates an ordinance
[01:29:14.740 --> 01:29:18.740]  Resolution, order, rule, regulation of a political subdivision
[01:29:18.740 --> 01:29:27.740]  Adopted under section 2308, 201, 202 and 2085
[01:29:27.740 --> 01:29:31.740]  For which the political subdivision does not prescribe a penalty
[01:29:31.740 --> 01:29:37.740]  Charges a collective fee and running out of time here
[01:29:37.740 --> 01:29:42.740]  Okay, I will finish reading this on the other side
[01:29:42.740 --> 01:29:45.740]  Hold on a break, let's see if we can find some cruising machine here
[01:29:45.740 --> 01:29:48.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig
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[01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:37.740]  Okay, we are back
[01:32:37.740 --> 01:32:40.740]  Randy Kelton, Dennis Stevens, Eddie Craig
[01:32:40.740 --> 01:32:42.740]  We live on our radio
[01:32:42.740 --> 01:32:50.740]  And we are talking to Chris in Texas about his towing issue
[01:32:50.740 --> 01:32:55.740]  We looked in the code and the first thing I did is went to the bottom
[01:32:55.740 --> 01:32:57.740]  And that's what the penalties are
[01:32:57.740 --> 01:33:05.740]  And if a person commits an offense, if the person violates the permitting or licensing requirements
[01:33:05.740 --> 01:33:11.740]  of this chapter, performs towing without a license to perform towing in this state
[01:33:11.740 --> 01:33:19.740]  employs an individual who does not hold the appropriate license required by this chapter
[01:33:19.740 --> 01:33:27.740]  falsifies a certification or training and offends under this section is a Class C misdemeanor
[01:33:27.740 --> 01:33:32.740]  And offends under this section is a forceful bylaw enforcement
[01:33:32.740 --> 01:33:42.740]  Okay, now you can file Class C misdemeanor for each toe that this guy has made
[01:33:42.740 --> 01:33:43.740]  Against...
[01:33:43.740 --> 01:33:45.740]  Since the license is revoked, right?
[01:33:45.740 --> 01:33:47.740]  Or since the license would be expired
[01:33:47.740 --> 01:33:55.740]  Yes, against him and the owner of the company
[01:33:55.740 --> 01:34:01.740]  All right, that sounds awesome
[01:34:01.740 --> 01:34:03.740]  And then this...
[01:34:03.740 --> 01:34:09.740]  Look at pre-litigation discovery and you want to discover...
[01:34:09.740 --> 01:34:15.740]  What we were looking at is insurance
[01:34:15.740 --> 01:34:22.740]  We want to find what the insurance requirements are
[01:34:22.740 --> 01:34:26.740]  Is that the one, the civil liability?
[01:34:26.740 --> 01:34:31.740]  Civil liability of towing company, booting company, or parking facility owner
[01:34:31.740 --> 01:34:35.740]  for violation of this chapter, towing company
[01:34:35.740 --> 01:34:40.740]  This is 2308-404 that I met
[01:34:40.740 --> 01:34:52.740]  Now that's the civil liability, I'm looking for the requirement to carry insurance
[01:34:52.740 --> 01:34:56.740]  Let's... I'll work out it while we're working
[01:34:56.740 --> 01:35:02.740]  There is a requirement, I know you'll find it there
[01:35:02.740 --> 01:35:05.740]  And there's also another requirement
[01:35:05.740 --> 01:35:12.740]  That is that every employee employed by a tow company
[01:35:12.740 --> 01:35:18.740]  or a vehicle storage facility has to have a TDOR license
[01:35:18.740 --> 01:35:23.740]  Take a wild guess as to how many of them don't have it
[01:35:23.740 --> 01:35:26.740]  All of them?
[01:35:26.740 --> 01:35:31.740]  Okay, wait, say that again, I miss part of it
[01:35:31.740 --> 01:35:41.740]  Okay, every employee who works for a towing company or a vehicle storage facility
[01:35:41.740 --> 01:35:46.740]  has to have a TDOR license
[01:35:46.740 --> 01:35:48.740]  And...
[01:35:48.740 --> 01:35:51.740]  Would these be clerical employees as well?
[01:35:51.740 --> 01:35:56.740]  Yes, every employee, it says every employee
[01:35:56.740 --> 01:35:58.740]  Interesting
[01:35:58.740 --> 01:36:08.740]  Okay, I'm looking at 2308.103 requirements for incident management towing permit
[01:36:08.740 --> 01:36:13.740]  An incident management towing permit is required for a tow truck
[01:36:13.740 --> 01:36:18.740]  used to perform any non-consent tow initiated by a peace officer
[01:36:18.740 --> 01:36:27.740]  including a tow authorized under section 545.3051 transportation code
[01:36:27.740 --> 01:36:38.740]  Now, if this company is on the list and is called and tows for the police in that
[01:36:38.740 --> 01:36:47.740]  In order to do this, the applicant has to be eligible for an incident management towing permit
[01:36:47.740 --> 01:36:54.740]  An applicant must submit evidence that the truck is equipped to tow light, do your heavy duty vehicles
[01:36:54.740 --> 01:36:57.740]  according to manufacturer's towing guidelines
[01:36:57.740 --> 01:37:03.740]  The applicant has at least 500,000 of liability for the tow truck
[01:37:03.740 --> 01:37:11.740]  and the applicant has at least 50,000 of cargo insurance for the tow truck
[01:37:11.740 --> 01:37:18.740]  So, if they've been hauling for the city, then there is a problem
[01:37:18.740 --> 01:37:28.740]  because if the towing company had proof of insurance sent to the city
[01:37:28.740 --> 01:37:35.740]  then when the towing company's insurance was revoked
[01:37:35.740 --> 01:37:44.740]  the insurance company would have necessarily noticed anyone to whom they have sent proof of insurance
[01:37:44.740 --> 01:37:50.740]  This is a standard procedure with commercial insurance
[01:37:50.740 --> 01:37:55.740]  Okay, now we go to another one. Requirements for a private property towing permit
[01:37:55.740 --> 01:38:01.740]  A private property towing permit is required for a truck used to perform a non-consent tow
[01:38:01.740 --> 01:38:09.740]  authorized by a parking facility owner under this chapter to be eligible for a private property towing permit
[01:38:09.740 --> 01:38:19.740]  An applicant must submit evidence that the tow truck is equipped to tow light or heavy duty vehicles according to manufacturer's towing guidelines
[01:38:19.740 --> 01:38:28.740]  The applicant has at least 300,000 of liability insurance and the applicant has at least 50,000 of cargo insurance
[01:38:28.740 --> 01:38:38.740]  Well, if they don't have this insurance, they have, what do you call it?
[01:38:38.740 --> 01:38:54.740]  Revoke, what's the term? Not revoked, but they have voluntarily rescinded their license as a permit
[01:38:54.740 --> 01:39:13.740]  And issues here, this one, since the private property company, the towing facility that is using these people
[01:39:13.740 --> 01:39:23.740]  I mean, the parking facility that's using these people would have knowledge that that requirement was not being met
[01:39:23.740 --> 01:39:28.740]  That would make them culpable
[01:39:28.740 --> 01:39:32.740]  I don't know that she'd be able to make that connection
[01:39:32.740 --> 01:39:51.740]  Oh, this, okay, if this is a requirement, the tow truck company is going to have to have their insurance carrier provide evidence of liability insurance
[01:39:51.740 --> 01:40:01.740]  And this is really standard practice, every company I worked for, I had to provide them with evidence of my insurance
[01:40:01.740 --> 01:40:09.740]  And if anything changed on my insurance policy, everyone they have noticed gets noticed immediately
[01:40:09.740 --> 01:40:29.740]  So the private parking facility owner would have knowledge that this towing company lacked the proper insurance in order to maintain a permit
[01:40:29.740 --> 01:40:39.740]  So their permit is invalid because they don't no longer meet the requirements, and this facility would know that
[01:40:39.740 --> 01:40:53.740]  So this apartment complex knew as a matter of law that this towing operator lacked the permit because they lacked the proper insurance
[01:40:53.740 --> 01:40:59.740]  Ah, and then what section were you looking at there again Randy?
[01:40:59.740 --> 01:41:02.740]  2308.104
[01:41:02.740 --> 01:41:10.740]  Okay, jump down to 2308.1521
[01:41:10.740 --> 01:41:28.740]  Vehicle storage facility employee and and towing operator dual license the commission shall adopt rules for the issuance of a dual license for a person who is a vehicle storage facility employee and towing operator
[01:41:28.740 --> 01:41:40.740]  The department shall issue the license to an applicant who meets requirements established under section 2308.153.545
[01:41:40.740 --> 01:42:00.740]  Section 2303.1015 and any applicable rules adopted under this sub chapter or sub chapter C chapter 2303 and submits to the department an application on a department approved form
[01:42:00.740 --> 01:42:12.740]  The required license fee a person holding a license issued under this section may work at a vehicle storage facility and perform towing operations
[01:42:12.740 --> 01:42:30.740]  The fee for a license issued under this section may not be less than the fee for a license issued under this sub chapter or section 2303.1015 or more than the sum of the fees for a license issued under this chapter
[01:42:30.740 --> 01:42:34.740]  under 2303.1015 blah blah blah
[01:42:34.740 --> 01:42:38.740]  Now is that not saying that everyone there has to have a license?
[01:42:38.740 --> 01:42:48.740]  That's what it says. So you can under pre litigation discovery
[01:42:48.740 --> 01:43:05.740]  sue for request the names of all their current employees or all current and past employees who works for this company during
[01:43:05.740 --> 01:43:09.740]  I guess last year or whatever
[01:43:09.740 --> 01:43:13.740]  I can go five years because they're required to keep these records five years
[01:43:13.740 --> 01:43:21.740]  Okay then go back five years list of all employees and then go to the agency and trust I guess the
[01:43:21.740 --> 01:43:30.740]  Where's the agency they father the commission is this reference the commission shall what commission are they talking about
[01:43:30.740 --> 01:43:35.740]  The licensing and registration
[01:43:35.740 --> 01:43:45.740]  Okay go to them and see if they have their applications and that's a license for a valid during the times that they were employed
[01:43:45.740 --> 01:43:53.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens, Eddie Craig who rules our radio our calling number 512-646-1984
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[01:46:47.740 --> 01:46:52.740]  Okay, we are back, ready to talk with David Stevens and Craig at Rule of Law Radio
[01:46:52.740 --> 01:46:59.740]  And we're talking to Chris in Texas and this is turning into an interesting conversation
[01:46:59.740 --> 01:47:07.740]  If anybody's out there has ever been towed, you definitely are going to want to listen to this whole show
[01:47:07.740 --> 01:47:14.740]  This is interesting, we're down to the licenses that are required
[01:47:14.740 --> 01:47:20.740]  And we're looking at incident management towing operators license
[01:47:20.740 --> 01:47:28.740]  And incident management, that was where the police called you, the towing company, in to make a tow
[01:47:28.740 --> 01:47:41.740]  An incident management towing operators license is required to operate a tow truck permitted under section 23803
[01:47:41.740 --> 01:47:48.740]  And that's the one we read earlier that said this where the police call you
[01:47:48.740 --> 01:47:52.740]  Private property towing operators license
[01:47:52.740 --> 01:48:02.740]  The private property towing operators license is required to operate a tow truck permitted under section 2308104
[01:48:02.740 --> 01:48:08.740]  And that was the guy that had a parking facility
[01:48:08.740 --> 01:48:13.740]  And then consent towing operators license
[01:48:13.740 --> 01:48:20.740]  It looks like there is a different license for each one of these
[01:48:20.740 --> 01:48:22.740]  Have you looked at that, Chris?
[01:48:22.740 --> 01:48:30.740]  Yes, and when you talk to a TDLR representative, when they say that they have a dual operators license
[01:48:30.740 --> 01:48:41.740]  What they really mean is that they have the 2308154 and the 2308155 license
[01:48:41.740 --> 01:48:45.740]  You know, the private property towing operator and consent towing
[01:48:45.740 --> 01:48:50.740]  Yeah, and then there's a separate license for incident management towing
[01:48:50.740 --> 01:48:52.740]  Yes
[01:48:52.740 --> 01:49:06.740]  So if you want to check the records, I don't know if you can get there in a civil action
[01:49:06.740 --> 01:49:11.740]  You're talking about the ones I've already requested through the public information request
[01:49:11.740 --> 01:49:15.740]  Through...
[01:49:15.740 --> 01:49:23.740]  Yeah, I wasn't thinking. Yeah, you can request the list of everybody who's been towed
[01:49:23.740 --> 01:49:30.740]  And I would suspect that they would have records of who actually operated the tow vehicle
[01:49:30.740 --> 01:49:32.740]  Yes
[01:49:32.740 --> 01:49:34.740]  So if...
[01:49:34.740 --> 01:49:36.740]  I'm talking about the incident management
[01:49:36.740 --> 01:49:41.740]  You could do that from the municipality
[01:49:41.740 --> 01:49:47.740]  And if they take it to this Fort Worth, you could find out all of the tows this guy's done without a license
[01:49:47.740 --> 01:49:53.740]  All of the tows this company has done without meeting the permitting requirements
[01:49:53.740 --> 01:49:59.740]  And then you could sue the city for using these guys
[01:49:59.740 --> 01:50:01.740]  Wow, because they report...
[01:50:01.740 --> 01:50:09.740]  The city has to keep records of this for two years and then they get a copy, a report from the tow company
[01:50:09.740 --> 01:50:18.740]  For every car they tow, either incident management control or your tow or non-consent tow
[01:50:18.740 --> 01:50:25.740]  They get a report from the tow companies every week on Monday
[01:50:25.740 --> 01:50:30.740]  So you could simply request these reports from this company and get them all
[01:50:30.740 --> 01:50:32.740]  This is good
[01:50:32.740 --> 01:50:36.740]  Yes, what you want to do is, I don't know about every other city so far
[01:50:36.740 --> 01:50:44.740]  But in the city of Fort Worth and the city of Dallas, you would request these from the city manager
[01:50:44.740 --> 01:50:46.740]  Wonderful
[01:50:46.740 --> 01:50:50.740]  So you've got some homework to do
[01:50:50.740 --> 01:50:55.740]  You might find out getting paid well for this
[01:50:55.740 --> 01:51:02.740]  We have been like hound dogs on this, I'm sorry, bloodhounds
[01:51:02.740 --> 01:51:05.740]  We have just been following the trail
[01:51:05.740 --> 01:51:12.740]  When I take these on, that's always what I do, I just follow the thunder
[01:51:12.740 --> 01:51:18.740]  Just follow it where it leads you, but if you pay attention and think about it
[01:51:18.740 --> 01:51:26.740]  Each step you take, you look at it and ask yourself what are the implications
[01:51:26.740 --> 01:51:30.740]  Who else is implicated?
[01:51:30.740 --> 01:51:37.740]  In this case, you have a towing company, so who else has something to do with this towing operator?
[01:51:37.740 --> 01:51:45.740]  And here you have an operator that cannot have a permit because his insurance has been revoked
[01:51:45.740 --> 01:52:00.740]  He specifically, expressly says in the statute that no one with a felony background can have or own a vehicle storage facility or towing company
[01:52:00.740 --> 01:52:08.740]  And you have direct evidence that the owner has a felonies background
[01:52:08.740 --> 01:52:12.740]  Yes, publicdata.com
[01:52:12.740 --> 01:52:20.740]  Then this goes to city manager
[01:52:20.740 --> 01:52:26.740]  This was his job to ensure that this company wasn't used
[01:52:26.740 --> 01:52:38.740]  He has placed the city at serious risk because the towing operator is not indemnified by insurance
[01:52:38.740 --> 01:52:43.740]  That leaves the city open for any harm the tow driver causes
[01:52:43.740 --> 01:52:47.740]  So you'd have to sue the city as well
[01:52:47.740 --> 01:52:49.740]  Okay
[01:52:49.740 --> 01:52:52.740]  Is this still going to fall in state court?
[01:52:52.740 --> 01:52:59.740]  Oh yeah, everything in your state, doesn't matter how high it goes in the district court
[01:52:59.740 --> 01:53:07.740]  But everything you know, there's nothing federal involved, invoked that I can tell
[01:53:07.740 --> 01:53:11.740]  What you're saying, I can't turn around after I've still been one and still been the other two
[01:53:11.740 --> 01:53:15.740]  No, no, you're not going to get two bites at this apple
[01:53:15.740 --> 01:53:18.740]  So that's why you have to do all your homework first
[01:53:18.740 --> 01:53:22.740]  You want to have everything lined up, everything in place
[01:53:22.740 --> 01:53:26.740]  The other side is going to have statutory time limits
[01:53:26.740 --> 01:53:34.740]  They're going to have time, they're going to get 30 days to respond to one of your pleadings
[01:53:34.740 --> 01:53:38.740]  And you have all the time you need to do your research before you go in
[01:53:38.740 --> 01:53:40.740]  So you can be ready for them
[01:53:40.740 --> 01:53:49.740]  And in doing this, if you craft this right, you need to look at what you're going to do
[01:53:49.740 --> 01:53:53.740]  And consider what the other side is going to do
[01:53:53.740 --> 01:53:55.740]  Do you ever play chess?
[01:53:55.740 --> 01:53:56.740]  Yes
[01:53:56.740 --> 01:53:58.740]  Let me make a suggestion
[01:53:58.740 --> 01:54:04.740]  Go down with Larry, get six moves into a chess game
[01:54:04.740 --> 01:54:09.740]  And then both of you get up and change sides
[01:54:09.740 --> 01:54:14.740]  When you sit down on the other side and look at the table from the other side
[01:54:14.740 --> 01:54:20.740]  You'll be surprised at how different it looks
[01:54:20.740 --> 01:54:25.740]  As opposed to the side you were on before
[01:54:25.740 --> 01:54:34.740]  It's difficult to visualize the other side and you have to work at it
[01:54:34.740 --> 01:54:42.740]  But in order, if you're going to beat these guys, you need to have them set up
[01:54:42.740 --> 01:54:47.740]  You need to look at how they're going to respond to what you do
[01:54:47.740 --> 01:54:51.740]  And see what you can do in your pleadings
[01:54:51.740 --> 01:54:55.740]  We were talking earlier about these guys who get in there and lie like dogs
[01:54:55.740 --> 01:54:57.740]  And you need to videotape them
[01:54:57.740 --> 01:54:59.740]  I was thinking but didn't say it
[01:54:59.740 --> 01:55:03.740]  You want to videotape them without them knowing it
[01:55:03.740 --> 01:55:05.740]  That's what I did
[01:55:05.740 --> 01:55:11.740]  The judge knew because she could see I was back there holding the recorder
[01:55:11.740 --> 01:55:19.740]  I'm talking about when they commit these acts that they're going to lie about
[01:55:19.740 --> 01:55:26.740]  If you record them, if you can, don't let them know
[01:55:26.740 --> 01:55:32.740]  And then you get them into court and ask them a question you know they're going to lie about
[01:55:32.740 --> 01:55:37.740]  And don't address it right at that moment
[01:55:37.740 --> 01:55:41.740]  You wait until the hearing is over
[01:55:41.740 --> 01:55:54.740]  And then you come back and you move against them for perjury and you move to strike whatever testimony was made that was perjurious
[01:55:54.740 --> 01:55:59.740]  But this doesn't give them an opportunity to recant
[01:55:59.740 --> 01:56:02.740]  You can recant perjury
[01:56:02.740 --> 01:56:15.740]  If you can recant perjury, if you do it before the perjurious nature of the statement is made obvious by the evidence
[01:56:15.740 --> 01:56:22.740]  So technically you could do this after the witness is testified
[01:56:22.740 --> 01:56:30.740]  Then you could bring on a witness who held the cell phone and videotaped this
[01:56:30.740 --> 01:56:38.740]  And then you have to establish foundation for the recording
[01:56:38.740 --> 01:56:49.740]  And one of the great ways that I did this in court one time is I had put together an evaluation for a guy who had a renter who didn't pay his rent
[01:56:49.740 --> 01:56:54.740]  And I calculated what the costs and everything were and it was a rather extensive spreadsheet
[01:56:54.740 --> 01:57:02.740]  And they gave it to the side and they called me on the stand and he asked how I knew all of these
[01:57:02.740 --> 01:57:08.740]  He said did you create this spreadsheet? I said no I didn't
[01:57:08.740 --> 01:57:10.740]  You didn't, no I didn't
[01:57:10.740 --> 01:57:13.740]  Well who created it? Oh the computer did
[01:57:13.740 --> 01:57:19.740]  Oh well, how do you know all these figures are right?
[01:57:19.740 --> 01:57:23.740]  Oh computer don't make mistakes
[01:57:23.740 --> 01:57:31.740]  They expect you when they ask you a question
[01:57:31.740 --> 01:57:37.740]  They expect you to elaborate and I didn't
[01:57:37.740 --> 01:57:48.740]  And finally he had to accept everything that was in there because he couldn't get me to testify that it was
[01:57:48.740 --> 01:57:55.740]  I missed why I got to this point, I was watching the clock at the end of the show and I lost my place
[01:57:55.740 --> 01:58:00.740]  But I actually told the wrong story and I'm bad about doing that sometimes
[01:58:00.740 --> 01:58:08.740]  My apologies but this is a lot of fun when you get into it and I'm sorry about missing my place there
[01:58:08.740 --> 01:58:12.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, Eddie Craig with our radio
[01:58:12.740 --> 01:58:20.740]  We're reaching the end of the show, we will be back tomorrow night for our four hour info marathon
[01:58:20.740 --> 01:58:30.740]  And I didn't get to talk about the two prosecutors in Cherokee County got loaded out of office, too bad
[01:58:30.740 --> 01:58:32.740]  But we'll talk about that tomorrow
[01:58:32.740 --> 01:58:36.740]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, Eddie Craig with our radio
[01:58:36.740 --> 01:58:43.740]  Thank you for listening and good night
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