[00:00.000 --> 00:09.640] News Corporation boss Rupert Murdoch flew to London Thursday to confront a hostile news [00:09.640 --> 00:15.160] staff on his flagship daily tabloid, The Sun. Police inquiries into illegal phone hacking [00:15.160 --> 00:20.960] led to the dawn arrest of 10 Sun's staff in recent weeks on allegations of corruption [00:20.960 --> 00:26.840] and bribing police officials. Reports Friday spoke of a civil war atmosphere in the newsroom. [00:26.840 --> 00:30.320] Murdoch's own investigation committee had passed information to police. [00:30.320 --> 00:36.880] A new study by Australian think tank, the Gratton Institute, said quote, [00:36.880 --> 00:42.560] and Shanghai, the average 15-year-old mathematics student, is performing at a level two to three [00:42.560 --> 00:49.000] years above his or her counterpart in Australia, the US, and Europe. 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The whistleblower website that leaked hundreds of [02:05.720 --> 02:11.600] thousands of confidential military and diplomatic documents in 2010 lodged a strong protest with [02:11.600 --> 02:16.320] the UN educational scientific and cultural organization for banning it from an international [02:16.320 --> 02:21.480] conference, the media world after WikiLeaks, organized by the US World Press Freedom Committee [02:21.480 --> 02:26.880] at UNESCO headquarters. WikiLeaks said the conference was packed with a who's who of the [02:26.880 --> 02:32.160] websites opponents and critics, including speakers who are not merely critics, but four who have [02:32.160 --> 02:37.520] active legal conflicts with the organization. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, currently [02:37.520 --> 02:43.480] under house arrest in England, said UNESCO must conduct a full frank and open investigation as to [02:43.480 --> 02:49.720] how its constitution has become a blunt instrument of censorship, adding it's time to occupy UNESCO. [03:13.480 --> 03:27.240] Bad boys, what you want, what you're going, what you're going to do, when every son and [03:27.240 --> 03:40.120] girl comes for you? Tell me, what you're going to do, what you're going to do? Bad boys, [03:40.120 --> 03:46.400] what you're going to do, what you're going to do, when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys, [03:46.400 --> 03:52.040] what you're going to do, what you're going to do, when they come for you? When you were 8 and [03:52.040 --> 03:57.960] you had that trait, you go to school and learn to go, then lose. So why are you acting like I'm [03:57.960 --> 04:04.680] love food? If you get hot, then you must get cool. Bad boys, bad boys, what you're going to do, what [04:04.680 --> 04:06.560] What you gon' do when they come for you? [04:06.560 --> 04:08.880] Bad boys, bad boys [04:08.880 --> 04:10.000] What you gon' do? [04:10.000 --> 04:12.460] What you gon' do when they come for you? [04:12.460 --> 04:19.800] Bad boys, bad boys [04:19.800 --> 04:28.280] What you gon' do? [04:28.280 --> 04:30.320] Bad boys, bad boys [04:30.320 --> 04:31.020] What you gon' do? [04:31.020 --> 04:37.580] All right folks, good evening. This is the rule of law Monday night traffic show. I am your host Eddie Craig [04:37.580 --> 04:39.580] It is February 20th [04:40.020 --> 04:43.140] 2012 tonight. I do have a guest on the show [04:43.140 --> 04:49.100] I have asked Harman Taylor to come on and to discuss those issues with me regarding [04:49.860 --> 04:53.140] some of the things these municipal and JP courts are [04:54.540 --> 05:00.140] Completely failing to do in regards to proper due process [05:00.140 --> 05:07.540] Now for those of you that have read my material and come to the class as you know that there is a cornucopia of [05:09.220 --> 05:16.420] Gadget-tree defenses, I guess is one way of putting them where the rules are completely ignored and broken [05:16.940 --> 05:22.860] Every single step of the way and part of what we do is document those violations [05:22.860 --> 05:31.300] And we definitely hang on to them if those violations result in a harm to our right to due process [05:31.860 --> 05:36.980] What we wanted to talk about with Harman tonight was some of the specific issues [05:37.620 --> 05:41.500] That virtually every one of these cases develops into [05:42.820 --> 05:44.380] sustaining [05:44.380 --> 05:49.180] Which leads to the ability for us to get it overturned on appeal [05:49.180 --> 05:58.180] So Harman that being said I would like to just jump in with you and see what we can come up with as far as the list of things [05:59.300 --> 06:01.300] Where would you like to start? [06:02.540 --> 06:07.300] Good evening. It's good to be on the show. The due process one is an excellent one [06:07.980 --> 06:14.460] The place to start may be just in the concept of what are we talking about with due process? [06:14.460 --> 06:16.460] Well in general [06:17.300 --> 06:23.660] What should due process entail? Let's start there. That's excellent, but due process has to entail [06:24.020 --> 06:27.660] It's not what it should entail. It's what it has to entail is [06:29.100 --> 06:31.100] delivery of the [06:32.100 --> 06:34.100] plaintiff's original bleeding [06:36.180 --> 06:38.180] Protonotus [06:38.540 --> 06:40.540] constitutes [06:40.540 --> 06:44.740] constitutes delivery of the writing [06:46.900 --> 06:54.700] So we have to we have to get something in writing it's not that we can go without it because we can we can wave notice [06:54.700 --> 06:57.500] It's one of the easiest things on the planet [06:58.140 --> 07:02.700] To wave and it's why the system is set up that way. It depends greatly on [07:03.420 --> 07:04.780] waiver [07:04.780 --> 07:06.780] to get notice [07:06.780 --> 07:14.100] The state has for the defendant to get notice the state has to send the charging instrument [07:14.540 --> 07:20.700] State's original pleading to the defendant and if it's a municipal court or a JP court matter [07:21.420 --> 07:26.580] That delivery has to occur has to occur at least a day before [07:27.460 --> 07:29.460] What's called any? [07:30.020 --> 07:32.820] Proceeding do you quote statutes to them at all? [07:32.820 --> 07:41.620] Uh, yes, sir. I do as in all the time probably from a cold article. Where are we forty five point zero one eight B? [07:41.700 --> 07:43.700] that's the one and [07:44.300 --> 07:51.780] What that says is the defendant supposed to get notice at least a day before any proceeding [07:52.620 --> 07:56.300] What is notice we can get to any proceedings later and it's a good question [07:56.300 --> 08:03.620] What we're talking about right now is what is notice and the answer on what is notice is [08:04.100 --> 08:06.100] something in writing [08:06.100 --> 08:10.660] It's the generic concept. They have to send the charging instrument [08:10.660 --> 08:13.380] We can talk about what a charging instrument is [08:13.620 --> 08:18.940] But whatever qualifies as a charging instrument that has to be delivered [08:19.580 --> 08:23.620] Has to be delivered by a party that doesn't have any interest in the case [08:23.620 --> 08:26.440] That's notice [08:28.420 --> 08:35.500] Yeah, if I may there is something that I would like to jump into on that after some things that you and I have discussed [08:36.100 --> 08:41.700] Previously in this new book on the traffic court survivors guide that I'm doing [08:42.220 --> 08:44.220] one of the things I came up with [08:45.100 --> 08:47.100] regarding notice [08:47.100 --> 08:53.780] Is how this has to function there are three specific things that [08:55.620 --> 08:58.700] Constitutes notice and I've divided them up into [09:00.260 --> 09:05.500] Two particular things and let me get to them here in the paperwork and [09:06.540 --> 09:08.180] Tell you how I've got it broken up [09:08.180 --> 09:14.860] And I actually got this based upon something that you wrote and you and I discussed and what I've done is I've [09:14.860 --> 09:20.100] Outlined it like this in the book for notice to be meaningful. It has to follow certain rules [09:20.100 --> 09:23.620] There are two procedural rules and three substantive rules [09:24.180 --> 09:31.500] The procedural rules are simple enough first for any instrument pleading or document to have bearing in a case in a cause of action [09:31.900 --> 09:35.260] It must first be filed in the court record [09:35.980 --> 09:40.860] As far as the court record goes that the instrument pleading or document is not properly filed [09:40.860 --> 09:43.740] It simply does not exist in the court [09:43.740 --> 09:45.740] Second [09:46.380 --> 09:52.260] The instrument pleading or document must be served on the opposing party [09:52.660 --> 09:57.380] Until service has been made to the opposing party notice has not been provided [09:57.540 --> 10:05.460] The opposing party has a right to know what the other side is filed in the cause and the duty is on the party filing the instrument [10:05.460 --> 10:10.140] Pleading or document into the record to ensure notice is properly performed [10:10.140 --> 10:17.660] It is not the other party's responsibility to seek out notice by monitoring the record of the court for changes [10:18.020 --> 10:20.020] Now would you agree with those? [10:20.620 --> 10:27.740] Straight down the line. Okay. Now the second note there. We'll come back to 25.04 here after a while [10:27.900 --> 10:35.220] Right now the three substantive rules are divided into three specific errors areas constituting notice [10:35.820 --> 10:38.460] Now this is how I explained it in class yesterday [10:38.460 --> 10:42.060] The first is proper notice [10:43.100 --> 10:50.220] Was notice provided in accordance with a method authorized and or required by law such as [10:50.860 --> 10:52.860] Delivery in open court [10:52.940 --> 10:58.540] Hand delivery or by certified u.s. Postal mail return receipt requested [10:58.940 --> 11:03.740] Whatever the laws of your state requires to get proper notice [11:04.380 --> 11:06.620] Then you have sufficient notice [11:06.620 --> 11:13.500] Was the defendant provided with everything that the law gives them a right to have [11:14.540 --> 11:19.260] And or that was required to be provided in order to respond [11:19.900 --> 11:27.740] Such as the cause number a copy of the complaint a copy of the charging instrument the name and service address of the court [11:28.140 --> 11:34.300] Allegedly have jurors having jurisdiction of the case and the name and service address of opposing counsel [11:34.300 --> 11:38.940] Then you have the third requirement, which is timely notice [11:39.580 --> 11:45.900] Was all of the above completed in a time frame that was meaningful to due process [11:46.380 --> 11:51.740] For instance delivery of the complaint or charging instrument the day of trial on the merits [11:52.140 --> 11:59.580] Is not proper sufficient and timely notice to the defense and therefore constitutes a due process violation [11:59.580 --> 12:06.380] So how would that stack up in what we're discussing here? [12:06.700 --> 12:10.140] Yeah, that that sounds right straight down the line [12:11.020 --> 12:15.100] The the thing on the municipal court thing [12:15.820 --> 12:19.580] The thing on the thing the issue in the municipal court case [12:20.460 --> 12:23.180] Be raised there about notice to the other side [12:23.180 --> 12:30.460] In the forums of record in these municipal courts of record [12:31.340 --> 12:36.300] Everything is expected to be written down. They're supposed to be documents by the defense [12:37.100 --> 12:39.100] They might be able to take [12:40.380 --> 12:46.220] Oral pleadings I feel I don't remember that the the municipal courts take oral pleadings all the time [12:46.860 --> 12:48.860] the municipal courts of record [12:48.860 --> 12:54.540] Might take oral pleadings. I don't remember but they expect everything to be in writing. So [12:55.740 --> 12:58.780] In the municipal court of record in particular [12:59.980 --> 13:06.620] Where there is in state never gets noticed right all the things we just went through they never do it. It's too expensive [13:07.260 --> 13:13.660] So they heavily dependent on the waiver of notice by the defendant heavily dependent [13:13.660 --> 13:19.260] dependent let's say they got notice right and they sent the complaint [13:19.980 --> 13:24.460] A day ahead of time a day ahead of any proceeding relevant to the prosecution [13:25.980 --> 13:29.660] It would the complaint really give us notice and it wouldn't [13:30.780 --> 13:36.060] There's no indication on any of this paperwork about who we send our responses to [13:36.060 --> 13:43.100] They don't really want a response. They tell us that by not giving us a name and address of the party to whom sent it [13:44.460 --> 13:46.460] Is notice adequate. I don't know [13:46.620 --> 13:48.220] Yeah, that's also [13:48.220 --> 13:55.660] Not forget the straight-up fact that they normally will not even assign a prosecutor until within a couple of days of actually doing anything [13:56.140 --> 14:00.780] Right in a particular prosecutor versus a prosecutor's office. We don't have to have [14:00.780 --> 14:08.300] Necessarily who it is is going to show up in court, but there's somebody appointed or elected to an office [14:08.380 --> 14:10.380] It's going to prosecute the case [14:10.700 --> 14:15.740] Or there will be an address even if they don't want to print the name of the opponent or elected official [14:16.060 --> 14:18.860] Because it might change out more often than they want to reprint the [14:19.500 --> 14:22.780] The tickets the the the blanks that they use [14:23.420 --> 14:25.420] So just leave that out [14:25.900 --> 14:27.180] Okay [14:27.180 --> 14:32.140] That's not real good. Maybe they should write in the name of somebody if they're going to leave it blank [14:32.780 --> 14:33.740] but [14:33.740 --> 14:39.980] For heaven's sakes, where's the address they're expecting something in writing if it's a municipal quarter record [14:40.300 --> 14:44.940] They're expecting something in writing. That means it has to be filed [14:45.500 --> 14:51.900] Has to be filed. Which means what it has to be served. Well, who do you send it to they never say [14:51.900 --> 14:58.940] So is notice adequate? Maybe it's not our statutory requirement, but it sure is a procedural one [14:59.980 --> 15:01.980] And they never give us that [15:06.140 --> 15:11.820] Let's look at something that I have seen specifically in the court records here in Austin [15:12.780 --> 15:18.540] Uh, you will get a notice from the court that your case has been set for trial [15:18.540 --> 15:20.540] Now [15:21.820 --> 15:24.300] If you actually went and checked the court record [15:25.340 --> 15:32.380] There's no complaint or any other thing constituting a charging instrument if a complaint could even validly be so [15:32.940 --> 15:34.940] That's currently in the court record [15:35.660 --> 15:38.700] Uh, for instance specifically in in my case [15:39.500 --> 15:44.860] They sent me the notice that my case had been scheduled for trial on the 8th of february [15:44.860 --> 15:48.780] The letter is dated the 2nd of january [15:50.140 --> 15:55.820] But when you get the actual complaint served on you the day of trial by the prosecutor [15:56.540 --> 16:00.940] The only thing on the complaint that even resembles a date [16:01.820 --> 16:03.820] If it is an actual date [16:04.780 --> 16:09.980] Says that this document didn't exist until the 2nd of february [16:09.980 --> 16:13.740] So how did the municipal court get the authority? [16:14.700 --> 16:21.980] When there's no issue before that court to generate a cause number and to schedule a trial when there's no [16:22.540 --> 16:26.700] Cause before the court one of those setting a trial for [16:27.340 --> 16:33.820] Well, and under what authority can they set a trial when there's no there's no case exactly [16:33.820 --> 16:40.060] Exactly. All right, uh, we're about to take a break. So folks if you're listening out there [16:40.300 --> 16:45.660] Hang on we're going to go a couple of more segments if harmon is willing and then we'll start taking your calls [16:46.140 --> 16:50.460] Call in number if you want to get on the board is five one two six four six [16:50.620 --> 16:55.580] 1984 but it will be a little bit before we start taking callers in the meantime [16:55.820 --> 16:58.140] We will be right back on the other side of the break [16:58.140 --> 17:05.900] America is in trouble. Washington is a disgrace. Government has become too big. 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They don't send it to us [21:20.700 --> 21:26.940] Where pleadings are expected to be viva voce by voice oral verbal pleadings [21:27.820 --> 21:30.700] Then contact information not quite so important [21:30.700 --> 21:36.620] But where they're expecting it and writing where they're compelling it in writing [21:37.180 --> 21:39.180] They're going to have to update the statutes [21:40.060 --> 21:42.780] They're going to have to update we should not have to guess [21:43.660 --> 21:46.220] Where to send the paperwork shouldn't have to guess [21:54.700 --> 21:56.700] So [21:56.700 --> 22:02.700] Yeah, I mean I would agree with that generally you're left from many many times experiencing this [22:02.780 --> 22:07.340] You're left having to call the court to find out. Well, what prosecutor gets this information [22:07.580 --> 22:10.780] Who do I have to send this to you get one of two answers? [22:11.260 --> 22:15.500] Oh, well, we don't know yet. Who's going to get it or we don't know at all [22:16.620 --> 22:20.380] Very rarely will they tell you that oh it goes to so and so's office [22:21.020 --> 22:24.060] Every now and then you'll get some answer like well [22:24.060 --> 22:28.860] We have a private contract with some firm here in town [22:29.660 --> 22:32.220] And they're the ones that handle all our cases [22:33.180 --> 22:36.460] Which brings us back to of course several other issues [22:37.100 --> 22:41.340] With these people acting as city attorneys and prosecuting in the name of the state [22:41.980 --> 22:49.260] When they have absolutely no qualification to do so because they don't meet any of the necessary requirements to fill the position [22:49.260 --> 22:54.140] Of an attorney for the state, but that's just one of numerous issues [22:54.780 --> 22:59.900] That the appellate courts have screwed up time and time again in regards to this [23:01.100 --> 23:04.780] Revenue stream that they do not wish to interfere with [23:08.140 --> 23:09.340] Um [23:09.340 --> 23:12.300] Where else would we go on the lack of notice? [23:12.860 --> 23:18.060] Uh violations harmon. Okay. Well the the concept of notice is something in writing [23:18.060 --> 23:20.060] If the judge says [23:21.340 --> 23:27.340] How do you plea and the answer is to what I don't have any notice the judge can say well, let's just read it right now [23:27.900 --> 23:32.860] You've been charged and it says such and such and of course the municipal court and I'm going to tell us the statute [23:33.660 --> 23:38.380] The court the courts have said more than once they don't have to give you a statute [23:39.820 --> 23:44.780] So there's no real notice in the way they do it because they don't ever say what the statute violated is [23:44.780 --> 23:47.900] They make them go hot and packed for the [23:49.100 --> 23:51.500] statutory basis for the charge [23:52.780 --> 23:54.540] the [23:54.540 --> 23:59.260] Concept there being okay, they go through all this. Are we really on notice under there? [23:59.900 --> 24:01.900] Was that 45.019? [24:02.540 --> 24:04.540] Elements, are we really? [24:04.620 --> 24:14.140] Yes, they don't have to give us a statue right now the issue there with 45.0109 is it gives you what the statutory requirements of a [24:14.140 --> 24:15.820] complaint are [24:15.820 --> 24:17.980] But here's my issue with that [24:18.700 --> 24:21.900] as you of course know from having to read the the [24:22.300 --> 24:25.900] Chapters in chapter 21 dealing with indictments and informations [24:26.700 --> 24:28.700] That original pleading by the state [24:29.420 --> 24:36.540] Has to list all of the things required to be proven in other words all the necessary elements of the charge [24:36.540 --> 24:47.340] Yeah, there is absolutely nothing in 45.019 that requires a complaint to list all of the elements [24:48.460 --> 24:50.940] Therefore my opinion is this [24:52.860 --> 24:54.860] How am I to challenge [24:55.820 --> 24:58.380] the complaint on form and content? [24:59.580 --> 25:03.660] When the issue is it lacks all of the necessary elements [25:03.660 --> 25:05.660] Of the offense alleged [25:06.540 --> 25:14.540] Where the court can turn around and then argue there's nothing in statute that says a complaint has to have those things [25:15.100 --> 25:19.980] Well, maybe not but you idiots are saying it's a viable charging instrument [25:20.860 --> 25:23.420] And those things have to have those things [25:23.980 --> 25:28.060] So either I can nullify the complaint because it lacks them [25:28.060 --> 25:33.340] Or you dummies are calling the complaint something it can't possibly be [25:33.980 --> 25:35.980] So which is it? [25:36.860 --> 25:38.860] Yeah, it gets into a mess [25:40.220 --> 25:47.500] And we can we can add a little bit more complication to that on what's now missing. You've probably covered that before [25:49.980 --> 25:54.860] Well, let's run through it again. Even if we know it somebody out there's libel not to okay [25:54.860 --> 25:58.620] I mean if you haven't been through it recently and they're not sick of it. We can talk about [25:59.420 --> 26:04.620] The the article that was and is no more at least it's not right now [26:05.900 --> 26:09.820] And the complication that adds to the charging process [26:12.540 --> 26:19.180] 45.01 yeah, the the recision or repeal of 45.01 back in 1999 [26:19.180 --> 26:26.700] And the appellate courts and trial courts complete failure to keep abreast of current statutory changes [26:27.180 --> 26:29.980] in favor of star rate decisive ineptitude [26:31.500 --> 26:33.500] Yeah, that that area. Yeah, I'm familiar with it [26:34.540 --> 26:35.740] Yeah [26:35.740 --> 26:40.700] Yeah, you're uh, you're all over that one. The that's the history is this [26:41.100 --> 26:47.500] Before the change in the money system, and I'm just gonna throw 1965 out that's not necessarily set in stone [26:47.500 --> 26:49.500] It's just a date to use [26:49.580 --> 26:54.940] To give a date to show that something major happened and about that time frame [26:55.420 --> 26:59.740] Before then we have all of these cases that say there's no such thing as a license [27:00.220 --> 27:02.220] You can't do this to people [27:02.300 --> 27:03.900] and for [27:03.900 --> 27:06.460] I'm gonna say at least 10 years and maybe in 20 [27:07.660 --> 27:13.100] The concept of the driver's license was kicked around pretty good by the high courts in texas [27:13.100 --> 27:20.380] We get the change in money, which means we have what is in a business sense. We can talk about a hostile takeover [27:21.100 --> 27:24.700] We can talk about several ways as fundamental change in choice of law [27:25.580 --> 27:31.100] We went from a law of the land system to a law of the sea system when they took out the last vestiges of an honor system [27:31.100 --> 27:37.900] awaits in measures that was after the Kennedy assassination and they sucked out all the silver from circulation [27:38.620 --> 27:39.500] and [27:39.500 --> 27:48.300] We get the token coins and all sorts silver certificates are collected and at the end of the day [27:49.340 --> 27:54.140] What used to be a charging system of the affidavit the complaint [27:54.620 --> 28:00.380] And something in the way of an information or an indictment. These are misdemeanors. It would be an information [28:00.700 --> 28:06.540] So there would be the affidavit in the form of a complaint and then a formal charging instrument called an information [28:06.540 --> 28:12.220] That was before the change in money. Then they said oh, well, we don't need the information anymore [28:13.260 --> 28:15.260] And the complaint alone [28:15.740 --> 28:17.740] Was sufficient to get the case started [28:18.380 --> 28:20.380] That was under article 4501 [28:21.580 --> 28:24.300] Now that 4501 is no more [28:24.940 --> 28:31.340] Does that mean that we're just running on fumes running on momentum? There's one appellate court case. It suggests. Yes [28:31.340 --> 28:34.460] That's exactly what we're doing. We still have [28:34.460 --> 28:37.500] Complaint only cases [28:38.140 --> 28:41.660] But with the statutes don't really say that anymore [28:42.380 --> 28:49.100] Do we have now the return to the need to have the affidavit in the form of the complaint? [28:49.980 --> 28:54.060] Which doesn't have to assert anything except this is what I think I saw [28:55.260 --> 29:00.860] Coupled with a formal charging instrument namely an information that would then have what? [29:01.500 --> 29:03.500] Some attorneys contact information [29:03.500 --> 29:09.260] It'd probably be the elected official. That's fine, but you wouldn't expect to find that in a ticket [29:10.700 --> 29:13.180] You would you would expect to find that in the [29:14.300 --> 29:15.580] information [29:15.580 --> 29:23.340] So right now in the municipal court is complaint alone sufficient. There's no more statutory basis for it [29:24.380 --> 29:27.260] There is judicial momentum for it [29:27.260 --> 29:32.860] But the basis that they used to have does not exist right now [29:36.540 --> 29:39.340] All right, sounds like we're about to head off on another break [29:40.060 --> 29:47.180] Okay, folks. This is rule of law radio. This is Eddie Craig with my guest Harman Taylor. 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This is rule of law radio with my guest Harman Taylor [32:34.940 --> 32:37.180] Alright Harman. Let's continue on please [32:38.140 --> 32:40.140] We are talking about the [32:43.260 --> 32:47.980] Pleading's issue and what constitutes a legitimate pleading [32:49.100 --> 32:51.100] The history [32:51.100 --> 32:55.340] Starts off with you have to have two sheets of paper one's called a complaint [32:55.820 --> 33:01.340] However many pieces of paper with it one's a complaint and the other for misdemeanor is [33:01.980 --> 33:03.980] calling information [33:03.980 --> 33:07.820] Without both of those no cases started [33:08.940 --> 33:10.940] Then we get to the change in money [33:11.660 --> 33:16.460] We totally upset everything that seems intuitive to every american [33:17.020 --> 33:22.300] About what is and isn't right about how things are done totally turns it on its ear [33:23.180 --> 33:27.420] That which is offensive to us is now the right way that things are [33:27.420 --> 33:36.700] And that goes along from let's just say mid-60s to about 1999 when the [33:37.980 --> 33:43.100] Article 4501 article 4501 in what criminal procedure code [33:45.820 --> 33:47.820] Gets repealed [33:47.980 --> 33:53.020] So it's effectively out by the end of well probably fourth quarter [33:53.020 --> 33:59.580] Now if I may interject on that here's my big problem with the way the courts interpreted that [34:00.380 --> 34:03.500] The language of that statute simply stated [34:04.300 --> 34:08.540] All prosecutions in a municipal court shall commence by complaint [34:09.100 --> 34:10.860] Right all it says [34:10.860 --> 34:13.660] Now that is where the court took the word commence [34:14.380 --> 34:19.980] And used it under a completely brand new definition of commence [34:19.980 --> 34:21.980] Here they took it to mean [34:22.780 --> 34:25.340] This is the only thing you have to have [34:25.900 --> 34:29.900] Whereas in law the word commence means simply to start [34:30.300 --> 34:37.500] And my argument has always been you dummies in every type of case criminal or civil [34:38.060 --> 34:41.260] Everything commences with a complaint [34:42.220 --> 34:44.220] That doesn't change [34:44.220 --> 34:50.700] All the statute did was verify that the municipal court couldn't do it any different [34:51.020 --> 34:56.060] It didn't give them an extracurricular power to do it on complaint alone [34:56.540 --> 35:02.700] That never appeared in the language yet. That's how the appellate courts turned around and interpreted it [35:03.340 --> 35:08.060] Well, it would be consistent the federal system functions [35:08.940 --> 35:12.220] On that exact same concept complaint alone [35:12.220 --> 35:14.220] Is sufficient [35:15.020 --> 35:17.020] It's in the federal side too [35:17.980 --> 35:20.700] So yeah, there was a there was a major shift [35:21.420 --> 35:27.980] There and I'm satisfied as everything to do the fact we went from a law of the land system to a law of the sea system [35:28.620 --> 35:35.660] And it there's some indication that we're headed back the other way as we speak [35:35.660 --> 35:44.460] One of those is the very subtle repeal of article 4501 that basically says complaint alone is sufficient [35:44.940 --> 35:46.940] And that's how the system functioned [35:47.420 --> 35:49.420] Complaint alone was sufficient [35:49.740 --> 35:54.620] Is it now that's a good question the thing to do there is just keep asking the question [35:55.180 --> 36:03.260] Is complaint alone sufficient and the appellate courts very well may say yes, it's still sufficient. Yes, it's still sufficient [36:03.260 --> 36:05.260] Yes, it's still sufficient [36:05.660 --> 36:09.100] Even though article 45.01 is no longer [36:10.060 --> 36:13.260] Really statutorily backing them up anymore [36:17.340 --> 36:18.700] Well [36:18.700 --> 36:25.420] There there are times when I wonder exactly whether or not there's an open bar at the appellate courthouse when they're making these ruins [36:25.420 --> 36:34.940] Because some of this stuff that I've read is just so far out there and it's conceptual viewpoint of logic and law that it's [36:35.660 --> 36:37.660] It borders on alien [36:39.100 --> 36:43.180] Well, they do have they come anywhere near applying legal reality [36:44.300 --> 36:46.940] It is alien it's designed to be that way [36:46.940 --> 36:53.420] It's written in English so that we don't understand it because what we really need to read is nowhere in print [36:53.420 --> 36:56.220] And that's not a bit accidental [36:57.260 --> 37:01.260] It's just the nature of the beast and of course that's a [37:02.140 --> 37:04.940] That's a literal and a figurative assertion [37:05.900 --> 37:12.460] It's just the nature of the beast they control by confusing the daylights that of the people to be controlled [37:13.660 --> 37:19.100] Well while we're on the subject of the initiating instrument. Well, let's talk a little bit about [37:19.900 --> 37:22.140] Who can sign it as the affian? [37:22.140 --> 37:29.660] And the dangers associated with the way they are currently doing it. Yeah dangerous for them. You mean [37:30.220 --> 37:36.780] Oh, absolutely. Well in a way. Yeah, it could wind up being so but initially it's dangerous for us [37:37.500 --> 37:42.780] Because if we don't know this is what's going on and bring it to light [37:43.500 --> 37:48.300] Our case could very well be tampered with to such a degree that we could never win it on appeal [37:48.300 --> 37:52.460] So it's dangerous in both directions in my opinion [37:53.020 --> 37:56.700] We have to know enough about the system to know [37:57.340 --> 38:02.940] That when we start talking sense about the matter when we start hitting this nail on the head [38:03.740 --> 38:11.020] Not putting dents in the wood around it that always hitting the nail on the head driving it in squarely [38:12.140 --> 38:14.860] That we're going to be on appeal because we're talking [38:14.860 --> 38:18.460] In Greek to these people they have never heard this before [38:19.100 --> 38:22.700] And for us to be right is for them to have to admit [38:23.260 --> 38:25.260] That they're part of a scam [38:25.340 --> 38:29.100] They have to admit they've been lied to they have to admit that they've got [38:29.580 --> 38:32.940] Other decisions behind them where people have made similar arguments [38:33.660 --> 38:35.660] That the really was just wrong [38:36.380 --> 38:38.380] So it is a huge bad [38:38.380 --> 38:46.940] Momentum problem to talk the system for what it is and expect to win a trial doesn't happen [38:47.660 --> 38:55.500] Yet it will but we're going to have to do some boulders by hand by shoulder to get there [38:56.460 --> 38:58.460] the [38:58.460 --> 39:02.940] Step that we're talking about here is who can sign the complaint [39:04.140 --> 39:06.140] Who can be states? [39:06.140 --> 39:08.140] It's charging [39:08.140 --> 39:14.540] Witness who can be the party to get the thing going even if it's a complaint only case [39:15.420 --> 39:21.740] What we find in article 45.019 is a list of people who may verify [39:23.340 --> 39:25.500] The statement it says there in the statute [39:25.980 --> 39:31.020] That the deputy clerk has the authority to verify that means they don't have to go [39:31.020 --> 39:35.740] To secretary of state's office and become a notary. They don't have to do that [39:36.060 --> 39:41.260] The legislature says in these circumstances these people have the authority to take the statement. Okay [39:42.140 --> 39:44.140] No heartburn there. No heartburn at all [39:44.940 --> 39:47.340] Now what if the party making [39:48.460 --> 39:54.380] The statement not the party verifying it the party asserting it is one of the clerks [39:54.380 --> 40:01.100] Now what well for it to be a hearsay complaint isn't really necessarily offensive [40:01.580 --> 40:04.300] And we can go through some theories and explain that yeah [40:04.380 --> 40:07.660] We really if it were us if the shoe were on the other foot [40:08.380 --> 40:13.660] And someone else was an intermediary with the court. We would think that'd be just fine [40:14.460 --> 40:20.620] So hearsay complaint. Okay. Uh, it's not really an affidavit. It's on knowledge and belief [40:20.620 --> 40:27.180] So it doesn't there so they're saying right there on the concept of what's being verified [40:27.820 --> 40:30.860] That's really not personal knowledge necessarily [40:31.580 --> 40:32.860] anyway [40:32.860 --> 40:34.860] So knowledge and belief fine [40:35.180 --> 40:37.180] That gets the case started [40:37.660 --> 40:39.100] but [40:39.100 --> 40:42.300] What if it's the court clerk that is the hearsay? [40:43.100 --> 40:46.620] Complain it the court clerk gets the information [40:47.420 --> 40:49.420] by what means [40:49.420 --> 40:51.420] The operation of the job [40:52.780 --> 40:56.060] It's not as if the court clerk were out there on the highway [40:56.940 --> 41:02.940] And heard the party before they went unconscious and this is what the the party said to me before [41:03.660 --> 41:07.100] Uh, he went unconscious. It's not like that [41:08.140 --> 41:12.460] The clerk gets the ticket or gets the report or gets something [41:12.460 --> 41:19.980] And then says oh, yeah, I'm now the complaint it and this is this is what happened [41:21.100 --> 41:27.180] Okay, they have good belief because of the report to assert what happened great, but [41:28.540 --> 41:30.540] Now look at what we've got [41:31.420 --> 41:35.980] We've got an employee of the court not acting judicially [41:35.980 --> 41:44.060] But jumping across the separation of powers line into being what a witness for the executive authority [41:45.260 --> 41:47.900] We've got a witness for the executive authority [41:48.700 --> 41:53.580] And the question there's several questions one is does that make the court? [41:54.780 --> 41:58.940] The charging witness is the court now the complaining witness [42:00.140 --> 42:01.660] Obviously [42:01.660 --> 42:04.780] If we do the agency twice like that [42:04.780 --> 42:06.780] The clerk is the employee [42:07.740 --> 42:14.700] Then the clerk basically is the agent for the court deputy is the agent for the clerk clerk's agent for the court [42:15.900 --> 42:21.500] That makes the court the complaining witness that doesn't invalidate the complaint [42:22.540 --> 42:27.980] But there's serious question as to whether that court can preside over that case [42:27.980 --> 42:33.260] So we've got the the makings of a disqualification [42:33.980 --> 42:36.460] Issue because the judge cannot be a witness [42:37.420 --> 42:40.380] Is the judge a witness if the deputy clerk is the complaining? [42:41.100 --> 42:44.940] Witness good question. We need to get that [42:45.580 --> 42:47.580] Pursued far enough to get a ruling [42:48.700 --> 42:55.340] Let's say that that doesn't work out that way. Let's say no the deputy clerk can do it and there's no conflict with the court [42:55.340 --> 43:01.260] It's a massive conflict with the court. So let's say that doesn't bother the the status quo [43:01.740 --> 43:03.740] There is another problem [43:03.900 --> 43:09.980] That other problem is we've got a complaining witness who is the custodian of that record [43:10.460 --> 43:13.660] We've got a party with an interest in that case who is now [43:14.300 --> 43:18.060] Handling that record day in and day out being the custodian [43:18.860 --> 43:20.860] over it [43:20.860 --> 43:26.940] And whether it knocks the judge out through disqualification or the clerk out through [43:28.780 --> 43:31.340] The manifest conflict of interest there [43:32.220 --> 43:34.220] The matter stinks [43:34.380 --> 43:37.500] There's a there's a massive problem here [43:41.580 --> 43:43.740] And I'm hearing we're about to go to another break [43:44.460 --> 43:47.740] All right, Herman hang on there and we'll get this wrapped up on the other side [43:47.740 --> 43:54.460] All right folks calling number is 5126461984. 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Please visit ruleoflawradio.com and click on the banner or call toll-free [44:58.460 --> 45:00.460] 866 law easy [45:01.660 --> 45:06.540] The oklahoma city bombing top ten reasons to question the official story reason number one [45:06.540 --> 45:14.060] Jondo number two and other accomplices on the day of the bombing nearly all of the witnesses that saw tim mcbay and the writer truck [45:14.460 --> 45:16.780] report that he was accompanied by other perpetrators [45:17.580 --> 45:21.100] The fbi and federal prosecutors insist that tim mcbay alone [45:21.500 --> 45:24.540] Delivered the writer truck bomb to the murra building and detonated it [45:25.180 --> 45:28.860] The only witness the government produced a place mcbay at the building that morning [45:29.260 --> 45:32.780] Dana bradley who lost her children and one of her legs in the bombing [45:32.780 --> 45:38.700] Testified that she saw mcbay with another man the fable jondo number two exiting the writer truck [45:39.500 --> 45:44.220] While at least 15 other witnesses claim to have seen mcbay with other perpetrators the day of the bombing [45:44.780 --> 45:50.460] No less than 226 witnesses placed him with other men in the days before the bombing [45:51.100 --> 45:57.820] Including when he rented the writer truck and in some cases have positively identified the other perpetrators for more information [45:57.820 --> 46:03.820] Please visit okcbombingtruth.com [46:17.100 --> 46:21.020] All right folks, we are back again. This is rule of law radio [46:21.580 --> 46:26.060] And right now I am talking with my guest harman taylor and we are talking about the [46:26.060 --> 46:30.860] Issues of the clerk being the affiant in the criminal complaint [46:31.500 --> 46:33.500] and how that affects [46:33.500 --> 46:35.500] The right of due process [46:36.060 --> 46:39.340] When that same clerk is the custodian of the record [46:40.780 --> 46:43.500] All right harman, and it's a massive problem [46:44.540 --> 46:47.980] The statute never the 4501 [46:47.980 --> 46:55.580] 45.019 I get it out yet never intended for the clerks to be the affiants [46:56.540 --> 46:59.340] It intended for them to be the verifying party [47:00.060 --> 47:02.060] Play the judicial role [47:02.300 --> 47:06.620] Confirm that this is what the information from the witness is [47:07.340 --> 47:09.340] And handle paperwork [47:09.340 --> 47:17.580] The paperwork comes in not the witness the paperwork comes in and the clerks are becoming the witnesses [47:18.060 --> 47:23.980] Does that disqualify the court it should it should disqualify the court [47:25.500 --> 47:31.340] Why because the only reason that the clerk has access to that information at all [47:32.380 --> 47:34.380] Is the judicial employment [47:34.380 --> 47:40.940] Angle on the matter it's because she is there as a judicial officer or he [47:41.420 --> 47:44.300] Whoever the clerk is it's because the clerk is there [47:45.260 --> 47:47.260] Filling the judicial role [47:47.900 --> 47:49.900] in the administrative side [47:50.380 --> 47:52.780] That they have access to information at all [47:54.380 --> 48:01.820] So it doesn't and it's very important the fact that the clerk is the witness doesn't make the complaint bad [48:01.820 --> 48:07.580] That doesn't invalidate the complaint what it does is invalidate the court [48:08.620 --> 48:13.740] If the this is the argument we don't have anything in print that confirms this yet [48:14.540 --> 48:16.140] It's the argument [48:16.140 --> 48:20.620] The argument goes the clerk is now acting for the state [48:21.020 --> 48:26.380] Which means the clerk in the employment of the court that just shifted roles here [48:26.780 --> 48:29.820] Just shifted into a different part of separation of powers [48:29.820 --> 48:33.900] That act takes the whole court with the clerk [48:34.700 --> 48:36.700] Because what clerks an agent for the court? [48:37.980 --> 48:41.900] Principal cannot do through agency with the principal cannot do directly [48:43.180 --> 48:49.420] So the court can't get by with indirectly being the complaining witness and presiding over those cases [48:50.220 --> 48:52.220] That's fundamentally it's an agency [48:53.100 --> 48:57.660] Issue is the clerk the agent for the court for purposes of getting this started that's the issue [48:57.660 --> 49:01.660] Only these days are going to find out if it gets argued enough [49:01.740 --> 49:06.860] We're going to get one case that sits squarely on sufficiently good factual [49:08.140 --> 49:15.420] Foundation to get the ruling that's going to address this competently. Okay disqualifications one issue [49:16.220 --> 49:21.980] even more directly related even more directly related is [49:21.980 --> 49:30.700] When the clerk signs as a complaining witness can that party be anything be anywhere near that record ever again? [49:31.980 --> 49:34.380] We've now got a biased interested party [49:35.020 --> 49:37.580] Pretending to be custodian of that record [49:37.980 --> 49:42.700] It's not like they're dispassionate to it and can handle the record the right way [49:43.100 --> 49:45.100] So witness with an interest in the case [49:45.580 --> 49:47.580] Handling the record [49:47.580 --> 49:55.180] So whether it ever gets to the issue of disqualification of the court if it's also raised at the same time same case [49:55.580 --> 50:00.620] We've got a conflict of interest here. The record has to stay and therefore the clerk has to go [50:01.500 --> 50:06.780] And the clerks that have become complainants have to be fired because the records can't go anywhere [50:07.580 --> 50:14.460] Then we may never reach the disqualification issue because the clerks will stop doing it because they're going to have to be terminated [50:14.460 --> 50:20.860] Because they can't be screened from these cases because they're all over the place. They just can't be screened from it. They have to be fired [50:21.900 --> 50:25.980] So whichever way that works out. It's going to stop [50:26.780 --> 50:30.860] What what we're talking about here the point Eddie is raising is [50:31.580 --> 50:38.780] It needs to be raised look at the paperwork whenever the paperwork shows up. Look at it find out what that name is [50:39.340 --> 50:41.340] Find out who that is [50:41.340 --> 50:48.940] Find out who that is find out whether that party is in fact employed with that JP or municipal court [50:49.500 --> 50:50.860] and if so [50:50.860 --> 50:54.060] make of record the fact that the [50:55.260 --> 50:58.940] Signing witness a complaining witness on this thing is [50:59.500 --> 51:04.860] The one of the deputy clerks with the court and then have a couple of arguments ready to go [51:04.860 --> 51:13.100] One is disqualification in the other's conflict of interest with the clerk can't be custodian records and witness at the same time [51:14.700 --> 51:21.980] Yeah, I actually have exactly that issue in my case and the prosecuting attorney stood up and admitted on the record that [51:22.060 --> 51:29.180] Yes, that is a deputy clerk of the court. So what I don't understand. Mr. Craig's arguing about why that's a problem [51:29.420 --> 51:31.420] Well, of course not [51:31.420 --> 51:37.580] That right there folks is the level of ineptitude that we're dealing with here a prosecuting attorney [51:37.980 --> 51:42.380] It admits that she is so due processing competent [51:42.940 --> 51:50.540] That she cannot fathom how the court got involved on why having the clerk as a custodian of the record in the case [51:50.860 --> 51:53.740] And being the complainant is actually a problem [51:55.580 --> 51:59.500] Now that right there just goes way beyond [51:59.500 --> 52:01.500] Just common sense [52:02.380 --> 52:07.180] Now arm and there is one other thing that I recommended we start doing as far as [52:07.580 --> 52:12.540] People's individual cases go and I would like your opinion on this before we go to the next particular issue here [52:14.140 --> 52:19.100] Yesterday I brought up the point that what we may wish to start doing [52:19.740 --> 52:21.500] Is to avoid [52:21.500 --> 52:23.500] checking the court record [52:24.540 --> 52:26.540] for anything [52:26.540 --> 52:33.820] Simply because we do not yet know for certain or do we have you discovered any case law on the subject [52:34.540 --> 52:38.940] That says whether or not the appellate court will view that [52:39.900 --> 52:46.380] Delving into the record by the defendant as a waiver of notice. It can never be a waiver [52:47.580 --> 52:53.180] To go find out what's in the record. See there's this really weird rule. I say weird. I don't like the rule [52:53.180 --> 52:58.300] There are other states that do this in a manner that is much more to my satisfaction [52:58.700 --> 53:04.940] On the issue of when do we get notice of the ruling? Texas says that if the judge in the clerk can [53:05.580 --> 53:11.900] It doesn't say this. I'm translating. You'll get my feel for the drift of this thing in my translation [53:12.860 --> 53:20.140] The if the clerk and the court conspired together to keep away from the adversely affected party of the ruling [53:20.940 --> 53:22.940] that ruling [53:22.940 --> 53:24.940] Then that party is hosed [53:25.900 --> 53:29.180] There's a time period in there where the party has to get [53:30.700 --> 53:32.700] Notice of the order [53:33.100 --> 53:38.140] If they don't get notice of the order, there's a time period in there by which they can make that point [53:38.780 --> 53:43.660] Of record. I didn't get notice and then the the time periods change [53:44.460 --> 53:45.740] but [53:45.740 --> 53:48.220] the the technical read of that rule is [53:48.220 --> 53:54.860] The party has to find out in time then to follow motion and get a ruling that says they didn't get notice [53:56.220 --> 54:02.940] Or the whole thing goes by and because the ruling was never served on the party timely [54:03.340 --> 54:07.980] Then it operates fully against them as if they had notice even though they never got it [54:08.700 --> 54:10.700] I don't like the concept of that [54:10.700 --> 54:17.980] Maybe that came out in the description of it. There are other court systems. There are other states [54:17.980 --> 54:20.940] Well, we'll call them states for discussion purposes [54:21.500 --> 54:29.420] There are other states that say the appellate timetable doesn't start until after the clerk can prove the date of service [54:30.460 --> 54:36.700] And on things like that when you actually get service, it's really okay to confirm. Yes, that's when I got service [54:36.700 --> 54:40.220] And it it saves costs for everybody all the way around [54:40.540 --> 54:45.660] But to trigger it on the date of service by the clerk rather than the date of entry by the judge [54:45.980 --> 54:49.500] Is all the world different all the world different [54:50.300 --> 54:54.300] And so the the question here is when [54:54.940 --> 54:56.140] the [54:56.140 --> 55:00.860] When we get to the point of going up on the appeal [55:01.340 --> 55:04.140] When does what happen and in Texas? [55:04.140 --> 55:06.700] It's possible to get snookered [55:07.500 --> 55:15.580] In Texas it is possible to get snookered. So we do where we hit it. We do have to check the record [55:16.460 --> 55:19.420] To see what they're doing behind our back [55:20.300 --> 55:27.500] And I don't like that. I don't like that at all. It it tends to encourage that very sort of behavior [55:27.500 --> 55:34.540] Now because we have to go check the record. Is that notice? No, what's notice notice is delivery to us [55:35.500 --> 55:39.980] In a meaningfully timely manner of the paperwork [55:41.500 --> 55:45.500] And it takes us to article 25.04 [55:46.780 --> 55:50.620] Which for misdemeanor cases it's not 45.08 for [55:51.500 --> 55:53.500] JP and municipal courts [55:53.500 --> 55:57.500] It's up into misdemeanor matters and maybe it should apply [55:58.060 --> 56:02.060] The rule is Texas does not have to give notice [56:02.940 --> 56:04.940] Okay, Supreme Court of the United States says [56:05.820 --> 56:07.820] That the defendant has to get notice [56:08.380 --> 56:11.900] State of Texas says if they want notice they can go read the record [56:13.100 --> 56:17.980] It's exactly what the statute says. Well, I say exactly that's the concept that the statute says [56:18.620 --> 56:22.620] So we don't have to give notice. We accept the statute [56:22.620 --> 56:24.620] Notice we [56:24.940 --> 56:30.220] Excuse ourselves from the duty of due process. That's what the statute does [56:30.620 --> 56:35.340] We excuse ourselves from the duty of due process. Can that happen? No [56:36.780 --> 56:37.980] No [56:37.980 --> 56:44.940] The thing is there are not enough people in the position of complaint to know what notice has to consist of [56:45.020 --> 56:48.220] Who are then also in a position to argue their case [56:48.940 --> 56:50.940] To complain about lack of notice [56:50.940 --> 56:57.340] And so they say, oh, well, we don't have to do it. Here's the statute 25.04. Okay, 25.04 [56:58.940 --> 57:00.940] Defies due process [57:01.500 --> 57:04.620] State is not ever excused from its duty [57:05.260 --> 57:09.420] To give notice not even in a law of the C system [57:10.060 --> 57:12.060] They have to give notice [57:12.380 --> 57:17.660] It has to be meaningful. It has to be timely. It has to allow the opportunity to respond [57:17.660 --> 57:19.660] All of that matters [57:20.060 --> 57:28.540] So do we get charged with notice when we go dig into the record? The answer is no [57:29.180 --> 57:31.180] Absolutely, positively not [57:32.060 --> 57:36.380] They have a duty to give notice. What's that delivery of the paperwork? [57:37.260 --> 57:46.060] Delivery of paperwork that says here's what's being said against you and here's the contact party for your written response [57:46.060 --> 57:50.620] Okay, if we don't if we don't have all that we need to complain that we don't have all of that [57:51.180 --> 57:54.540] And document it and document it and document it. Why? [57:55.420 --> 57:59.420] Because wait notice is one of the easiest things on the planet to waive [58:02.460 --> 58:07.420] All right folks, we're going to take another break. We'll pick back up on the other side with Harman Taylor [58:07.420 --> 58:09.420] This is we'll move on radio [58:09.420 --> 58:16.300] Rule of law radio. Uh, Walt Robert, we do see you there on the board. Please hang on. There are some of these issues [58:16.300 --> 58:21.260] We want to get out for general purposes to everybody before we start taking any calls. So please be patient [58:21.260 --> 58:38.940] This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton rule of law. 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by that term rightly [01:03:43.340 --> 01:03:46.140] I won't pay for the war with my body [01:03:46.700 --> 01:03:49.580] Ain't gonna pay for their car with my money [01:03:50.060 --> 01:03:52.860] I won't pay for the fun with my body [01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:56.460] They're friends wicked and their logic shoddy [01:03:56.860 --> 01:03:59.740] Ain't gonna pay for the war with my body [01:04:00.220 --> 01:04:03.020] I won't pay for the boys with my money [01:04:03.020 --> 01:04:06.380] All right folks we are back this is rule of law radio [01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:11.980] All right wall robert took me we see there on the board hang on just a moment and we will get to you [01:04:11.980 --> 01:04:14.300] We got one last issue to bring up here [01:04:17.020 --> 01:04:19.020] Harmon what I'd like to ask about next [01:04:19.020 --> 01:04:27.100] Is when that these lower courts have the issue of a challenge to their jurisdiction laid in front of them [01:04:27.740 --> 01:04:34.620] Uh including when that challenge is based upon lack of notice or any other thing that would normally [01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:36.860] Deprive the court of jurisdiction [01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:43.500] And the court wishes to assert under its own authority. We have it. We're proceeding [01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:51.100] How can we address that and make sure that that's something that can be brought up on appeal [01:04:51.660 --> 01:04:55.580] Or whatever so that that opportunity to document is not lost [01:04:56.540 --> 01:05:01.100] Okay, two things to go here generically in jurisdiction. There's three pieces [01:05:02.300 --> 01:05:06.380] Generically, there are three pieces that the court has to have [01:05:07.180 --> 01:05:10.940] In order to have the authority to enter a valid ruling [01:05:10.940 --> 01:05:12.940] Subject matter jurisdiction [01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:17.660] Personal jurisdiction and proper venue [01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:23.900] Subject matter jurisdiction can be pretty much anything for the municipal courts. It is [01:05:24.540 --> 01:05:26.300] Fine only cases [01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:31.100] It's not just that we go read the statutes and the court can do this other and this other and this other [01:05:31.820 --> 01:05:37.340] But the topics the generic type of controversy or case [01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:39.980] Is subject matter jurisdiction [01:05:39.980 --> 01:05:45.500] Uh just to throw out another example federal courts have subject matter jurisdiction [01:05:45.980 --> 01:05:50.220] If the two parties live in different states and the amount in controversy [01:05:51.100 --> 01:05:54.700] Gets to or exceeds a certain dollar amount [01:05:56.220 --> 01:06:01.260] So there we're not talking about necessarily any particular topic at all [01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:05.100] It's just one party's in new york the other party's in california [01:06:05.100 --> 01:06:13.820] And they've got a dispute in some kind of area that it equals or exceeds the minimum amount controversy [01:06:14.060 --> 01:06:18.060] So that in five thousand dollars hundred thousand dollars whatever it happens to be these days [01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:24.220] Subject matter jurisdiction the other one's the next one's personal jurisdiction. That's the notice issue [01:06:24.700 --> 01:06:30.140] Personal jurisdiction is the fundamental question of of whether that [01:06:30.860 --> 01:06:32.700] party [01:06:32.700 --> 01:06:37.900] Is subject to the court's essentially geographic scope [01:06:39.180 --> 01:06:41.180] Geographic scope [01:06:41.180 --> 01:06:44.700] uh, and so that's where we get into long arm statutes and [01:06:45.740 --> 01:06:51.820] The the reason that panoramic nephew no longer applies and takes us to the money issue and things like that [01:06:52.220 --> 01:06:55.020] The subject matter jurisdiction has to do with what the case is about [01:06:55.420 --> 01:07:00.220] Personal jurisdiction is whether that court can properly assert jurisdiction over that party [01:07:00.220 --> 01:07:06.620] And third thing is venue. There are any number of courts in texas [01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:10.940] And the tickets issued in say austin [01:07:11.740 --> 01:07:17.420] Are not going to be tried in a court in the waco or san Antonio or corpus or houston [01:07:18.220 --> 01:07:22.620] Venue actually there is a slight problem with that here. There are times [01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:25.260] When wilmson county [01:07:25.260 --> 01:07:29.660] Is actually trying tickets that are issued in travis county [01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:36.300] And they have some sort of intercity agreement that they say allows them to do that [01:07:36.780 --> 01:07:41.340] But i don't know how the cities would have the authority to create such an agreement [01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:45.740] Well, it's something that is uh, it's an interesting issue [01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:51.820] And it's a venue study there may or may not be authority for them to do that [01:07:51.820 --> 01:07:57.180] And if there's a legitimate question on the point then it needs to be raised [01:07:57.660 --> 01:08:03.260] And raised far enough and strong enough to see if we can get a ruling on it to [01:08:03.980 --> 01:08:07.420] Satisfy our minds that yeah, that really is an issue or [01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:10.700] It's it's just not letting do what they want to do [01:08:11.180 --> 01:08:15.500] But subject matter jurisdiction personal jurisdiction venue court has to have those [01:08:16.060 --> 01:08:19.340] Or there's no valid ruling now [01:08:19.340 --> 01:08:24.380] Personal jurisdiction and venue can be waived the easiest thing on the planet to waive [01:08:25.660 --> 01:08:31.580] So we've got to be mindful of personal jurisdiction and venue can never waive subject matter jurisdiction [01:08:31.980 --> 01:08:37.980] Subject matter jurisdiction is not a matter of agreement between the parties. You can't just say yeah, okay [01:08:37.980 --> 01:08:39.980] Let's go ahead in this court can't do that [01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:46.540] Subject matter jurisdiction is highly regulated. It's why it can be raised as sense. I mean you do your appeal timely [01:08:46.540 --> 01:08:51.020] But you do your appeal timely raise subject matter jurisdictions any time [01:08:52.300 --> 01:08:55.580] In other words, you're on appeal. Oh, I didn't think about this before [01:08:56.300 --> 01:09:00.380] Disqualification issues subject matter jurisdiction issue can be raised on appeal [01:09:01.180 --> 01:09:03.980] Not necessarily the best way to go about it [01:09:04.700 --> 01:09:08.460] But subject matter jurisdiction can never be waived [01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:14.380] Okay, so we're talking about a court in courts jurisdiction. We complain to the court [01:09:14.380 --> 01:09:17.660] No jurisdiction. Let's talk about how we do that [01:09:18.620 --> 01:09:21.180] How do we complain to the court in writing? [01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:24.700] Typically by some kind of motion [01:09:25.340 --> 01:09:28.940] If it's a jurisdictional thing it'd probably be a motion to dismiss [01:09:30.700 --> 01:09:36.860] The concept there being we have to raise our objection in writing and we need to do it timely [01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:38.620] so we did [01:09:38.620 --> 01:09:40.620] We just put everything that we have in the way of [01:09:40.620 --> 01:09:48.780] A jurisdictional argument in a motion. I don't see your subject matter jurisdiction. Well, that's the reason why I don't see personal jurisdiction [01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:55.020] In addition to the fact I don't agree to it and no service and no notice here. No personal jurisdiction [01:09:55.580 --> 01:10:00.860] Uh, no venue. This was a Travis County deal. What are we doing in Williamson County? This sort of thing [01:10:01.740 --> 01:10:03.740] The document put it in a motion [01:10:03.740 --> 01:10:12.620] And it's generally a good idea on any kind of motion to talk truthfully about facts [01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:17.500] And to confirm to everybody all the way up the line that you meant it at the time [01:10:17.980 --> 01:10:23.020] And that you're correct about it and you're not going to change your mind on it. Put it in a verified motion [01:10:23.900 --> 01:10:30.060] Verified motion is where you say everything I'm saying in here is true under penalty of perjury [01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:35.420] So I'm lying to you put me in jail. I'm not lying to you. This is what happened and this is what didn't happen [01:10:35.820 --> 01:10:37.820] and here's the dates I've got [01:10:38.380 --> 01:10:40.860] and so we put that in verified form [01:10:41.820 --> 01:10:43.820] and now we've got [01:10:43.900 --> 01:10:46.460] We've got basis good basis solid basis [01:10:47.340 --> 01:10:52.940] For the motion, but yeah, the thing about jurisdiction is it needs to be objected to in writing [01:10:52.940 --> 01:10:59.420] And it's okay to follow a concept of deorder of pleading. We're not going to waive anything after we've asserted it [01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:04.620] We assert it. We just continue to assert it say we got this we got this objection [01:11:05.420 --> 01:11:08.220] Sometimes the court doesn't really know [01:11:08.940 --> 01:11:13.740] whether subject matter jurisdiction personal jurisdiction or a venue are suitable [01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:17.660] Until trial some of these issues are proper for trial [01:11:18.300 --> 01:11:20.300] So some of them in no way that [01:11:20.300 --> 01:11:25.180] The fit is ever going to be made. So those should be ruled on ahead of time [01:11:25.820 --> 01:11:29.580] And then the JP courts and municipal courts municipal courts are record [01:11:30.540 --> 01:11:34.780] Getting those kinds of things ruled on ahead of time in our favor is [01:11:36.380 --> 01:11:40.380] Unlikely that doesn't mean that the the ruling against us is correct [01:11:41.020 --> 01:11:44.540] That means the system is burdening us to make our point [01:11:44.540 --> 01:11:49.820] And I have more than one story very credible source [01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:55.740] A lawyer goes into the court and says never got timely notice court says case dismissed [01:11:56.460 --> 01:12:01.020] Pro say I'll go in 15 minutes later exact same court same docket same [01:12:01.580 --> 01:12:04.140] Everything judge. I got no notice overruled [01:12:06.460 --> 01:12:11.260] So the prosays have just got to be fully ready willing and able [01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:15.980] To document the case get kicked in the head all the way through the first trial process [01:12:16.620 --> 01:12:18.620] And then take the thing up on appeal [01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:24.860] We have to know what the procedures are at trial. We've got to know what the procedures are on appeal [01:12:25.180 --> 01:12:29.100] We've got to know the mechanism of the transition from one to the other [01:12:29.660 --> 01:12:34.380] And if necessary just have the the war chest as it's called have the [01:12:34.940 --> 01:12:38.620] piggy bank over there oh with sufficient funds in it [01:12:38.620 --> 01:12:40.620] To afford the appeal [01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:50.860] But we we can expect right now because they just have they have not been impressed with how bad the problem is [01:12:51.980 --> 01:12:53.980] That who's that the decision makers? [01:12:54.300 --> 01:13:00.780] They have not felt the receiving end of the consequences legally. I'm talking about [01:13:01.580 --> 01:13:07.660] What the consequences are when they continue to assert jurisdiction they don't have and I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on that [01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:09.660] But at the end of the day [01:13:10.620 --> 01:13:14.620] The judge that acts without jurisdiction has no immunity [01:13:16.460 --> 01:13:18.460] Has no immunity [01:13:19.980 --> 01:13:21.980] So what else we want to talk about jurisdiction [01:13:22.540 --> 01:13:24.540] Just document it put it in a motion [01:13:24.860 --> 01:13:28.860] That's exactly it and that's the part that I keep trying to tell everybody in the class [01:13:29.020 --> 01:13:32.220] We do everything in writing no exceptions [01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:39.340] Everything is done in writing got to do it. It's a good head whether it be affidavits motions doesn't matter [01:13:39.740 --> 01:13:44.140] Anything that occurs in your case that needs to be a part of the record for appeal [01:13:44.300 --> 01:13:51.500] You get it in writing and you get it filed. You always do it verified if it is asserting specific facts [01:13:52.540 --> 01:13:57.660] Relevant to your rights or illegal activities by the other party [01:13:57.660 --> 01:14:03.900] So even if it's just facts see whether it whether it gets to that stage or not right now [01:14:04.620 --> 01:14:07.100] a verified a verified document [01:14:08.140 --> 01:14:14.300] Keeps should keep everybody on the up and up and we're not we're not the ones that are going to have that problem [01:14:14.700 --> 01:14:19.740] We just need to document the case and then be prepared to take it on up the line all the way up the line [01:14:21.660 --> 01:14:23.340] Well, do you feel like taking a few [01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:25.180] Absolutely looking forward to it [01:14:25.180 --> 01:14:30.380] We got about two and a half minutes left before we go to break but we're going to go ahead and start with walt in new york [01:14:31.020 --> 01:14:32.860] Walt what can we do for you? [01:14:32.860 --> 01:14:38.060] Yes, uh, good evening eddie and mr. Taylor. I didn't quite get your first name is it harman or harman [01:14:38.620 --> 01:14:40.940] It's harmony without the y it's with an h [01:14:41.500 --> 01:14:46.780] Okay, harman. Nice to meet you. Good to meet you. Thanks for the call. Okay. I got two questions for you [01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:52.380] Uh wild back maybe a month ago or a little more you made a stunning statement [01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:54.380] I'll hold that one up [01:14:55.420 --> 01:14:57.420] first question is [01:14:57.420 --> 01:15:02.300] Regarding oaths of office when you take an oath to uphold the constitution. I know judges [01:15:03.180 --> 01:15:05.180] and other government officials if they [01:15:05.820 --> 01:15:11.820] Take an oath and they're in one court and they get promoted or they go to another court. They have to take a second oath [01:15:12.780 --> 01:15:15.740] But what about other government officials when they [01:15:16.300 --> 01:15:20.380] Take the oath and they get promoted to a different or higher position in the government [01:15:20.380 --> 01:15:23.660] So they have to take a second oath also every time they change their jobs [01:15:24.460 --> 01:15:27.980] Probably it really depends upon what their job is [01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:35.980] Uh in in general we can expect the judicial officers to need to take an oath of some kind [01:15:37.420 --> 01:15:43.660] There are legislative positions. There are executive positions that have some kind of oath associated with them [01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:47.020] Staff positions don't necessarily have the oath [01:15:47.020 --> 01:15:53.820] That's what i'm saying. It depends on the on the position. They can be in government not necessarily be under oath [01:15:54.140 --> 01:15:57.740] Why would you say you're in one branch of government? You take the oath [01:15:58.380 --> 01:16:02.220] Why would you have to take a second oath if you're in the same branch of government? [01:16:02.620 --> 01:16:08.140] Would this be the same in the same branch as in one judge to another? Yeah. Yeah, what's the difference? [01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:11.180] Well, the difference is the requirements [01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:14.620] If a judge becomes a visiting judge [01:16:14.620 --> 01:16:21.500] He is required by law to take the oath every time he sits as a visiting judge [01:16:21.580 --> 01:16:24.060] He can't take it once and that'd be enough [01:16:24.620 --> 01:16:27.660] Every time he assumes the bench in a new case [01:16:28.220 --> 01:16:32.700] Or for a new session. He is required to retake that oath [01:16:33.260 --> 01:16:35.740] He's not in his normal position [01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:42.860] If they change jobs, they have to take the oath to do their duty in that job [01:16:42.860 --> 01:16:49.100] Okay, I got a second question. Okay. Well, hang on. We're going to go to break. You can ask it on the other side. Walton. Okay [01:16:50.140 --> 01:16:55.580] All right, folks. This is ruling of law radio calling number is five one two six four six 1984 [01:16:55.740 --> 01:16:59.500] We have harm and tater on give us a call if you got a question. 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We are talking to waltz. All right waltz [01:19:49.900 --> 01:19:55.660] Let's wrap you up here. Okay. At first thing. I want to say too is I apologize for a couple weeks ago when I called [01:19:55.660 --> 01:19:59.980] My phone went dead. So I'm sorry about that when you were answering my question. That's okay [01:20:00.460 --> 01:20:04.860] My second question to harman is he made a stunning statement about a month ago [01:20:05.980 --> 01:20:10.220] And he said there's no such thing as public property [01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:12.220] And my question is [01:20:12.620 --> 01:20:19.340] What's the significance of that information and how does that relate to the laws of our land and the constitution of the united states? [01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:24.460] You're not likely to answer waltz. I can tell you that right now [01:20:25.820 --> 01:20:31.500] Well, go ahead. No, you go ahead. I'm just letting you know. He's not getting what he's expecting from that answer [01:20:32.220 --> 01:20:37.820] Uh, we don't really have time to answer all that. So I'll try to be real brief. Of course, there is no constitution [01:20:37.820 --> 01:20:44.380] So there's no relationship there and the the thing about public versus private property [01:20:44.380 --> 01:20:50.300] We've got to understand that the system that that serves the function of government right now [01:20:50.780 --> 01:20:53.180] Isn't really a public thing [01:20:53.900 --> 01:20:56.620] In the respect that we normally think about public [01:20:57.260 --> 01:21:00.300] It's a private thing that functions publicly [01:21:01.260 --> 01:21:03.900] It's a private thing that has all of the [01:21:03.900 --> 01:21:08.300] The language that it operates with against us [01:21:09.020 --> 01:21:11.580] That's out there published publicly [01:21:12.700 --> 01:21:17.420] Where gm has its contracts and a vault somewhere those are private [01:21:19.100 --> 01:21:25.180] The government has all of its agreement language published a lot of people call them statutes [01:21:26.300 --> 01:21:31.180] So the there are some things to call considered public [01:21:31.180 --> 01:21:37.820] It that's part of it. There really is no such thing as public property. It's all privately owned [01:21:38.460 --> 01:21:46.060] It may be privately owned by entities that have to for all kinds of political reasons need to allow public access [01:21:46.700 --> 01:21:52.460] Just generic off the street anybody can can use it like picnic tables along the highway [01:21:53.740 --> 01:21:58.060] But it really is not themselves public property. It's private property [01:21:58.060 --> 01:22:01.980] But what about the highways and the streets and the sidewalks and everything? [01:22:02.620 --> 01:22:05.420] Okay, those are going to be treated as public access [01:22:06.060 --> 01:22:07.980] No question about it [01:22:07.980 --> 01:22:12.380] But when we're going to see this more and more with the toll roads, we're going to confirm that it's private [01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:16.140] The there's an ownership interest in those streets [01:22:16.460 --> 01:22:18.620] And if it's a county ownership interest [01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:22.460] Then it's the county funds that'll pay for the trucks to go and the people [01:22:23.100 --> 01:22:25.100] To go repay them [01:22:25.100 --> 01:22:30.460] If it's a national road, then that's the group of people that do the contracts and funding of the [01:22:31.100 --> 01:22:33.500] Of the roadways to keep them functional [01:22:34.460 --> 01:22:35.980] but [01:22:35.980 --> 01:22:37.740] it's [01:22:37.740 --> 01:22:41.740] That's that's a good one in the sense that it is public access for sure [01:22:42.540 --> 01:22:47.660] Okay, we move we move a little bit toward the buildings and the private security [01:22:48.780 --> 01:22:53.980] That you know, they're on the federal payroll, but they check everybody's bags and things [01:22:53.980 --> 01:22:55.980] It's private property [01:22:56.540 --> 01:23:01.660] All right, Harman. This one final thing. You said there's no constitution. Do you mean practically or legally? [01:23:02.300 --> 01:23:04.300] Yes [01:23:06.940 --> 01:23:10.700] The the national constitution never was [01:23:11.900 --> 01:23:17.420] The state constitutions have never been if there's an exception to that it's alabaman, texas [01:23:18.060 --> 01:23:23.180] It's impossible to have a constitutional system of the kind that we're talking about here [01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:25.980] Without an on a system of weights and measures [01:23:26.460 --> 01:23:30.460] So the instant the on a system of weights and measures went away the most recent [01:23:31.020 --> 01:23:34.140] time period for that being circa 1965 [01:23:35.660 --> 01:23:42.380] It's impossible to run the constitutional system. Why the constitutional system cannot exist in the law of the sea [01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:45.900] Platform it has to have a law the land platform [01:23:46.780 --> 01:23:51.500] So we're money circular funny money circulates. That's a law of the sea platform [01:23:51.500 --> 01:23:55.660] The law of the sea is the only kind of system that can tolerate funny money [01:23:57.100 --> 01:24:01.900] So the minute we realize the connection between the money and and the choice of law [01:24:02.780 --> 01:24:08.380] We look in our our pocket books and we say we cannot possibly have a constitutional system [01:24:08.940 --> 01:24:10.940] It happens that [01:24:11.180 --> 01:24:15.980] We've never had a constitutional system, which is why they was possible to change out the money [01:24:15.980 --> 01:24:25.580] But no state right now we call them calm states are not really their counties within the place called this state [01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:28.140] Which is also known as united states [01:24:28.940 --> 01:24:35.820] But there are no state constitutions. There is no national constitution. We've never had any of those [01:24:36.700 --> 01:24:41.340] If we had had we wouldn't have the situation that we've got right now. It just wouldn't be possible [01:24:41.340 --> 01:24:46.140] What's the situation we've got right now? We've got a choice of law of its law of the land [01:24:46.540 --> 01:24:50.700] Which tolerates funny money if we had constitutions if we had them [01:24:51.100 --> 01:24:54.860] The only thing that would pass as legal tender would be gold and silver coin [01:24:55.340 --> 01:25:01.420] Or the paper that could be immediately traded for gold and silver coin in other words the certificates [01:25:02.380 --> 01:25:06.620] We've got something other than that right now. It's it's uh, it's a debt [01:25:07.260 --> 01:25:09.580] Instrument. It's not really even dead. It's called credit [01:25:09.580 --> 01:25:12.860] What's credit? Well, whatever they want it to be [01:25:14.220 --> 01:25:18.540] But yeah, fundamentally we we do not now have and have never had a constitution [01:25:19.580 --> 01:25:21.580] And it's a wicked paradigm shift [01:25:22.620 --> 01:25:24.620] So appreciate the call [01:25:24.780 --> 01:25:26.460] Okay, thank you. Yeah, waltz [01:25:26.460 --> 01:25:29.100] I was just going to mention to you also that uh, [01:25:29.580 --> 01:25:35.420] Harman's discussed this at great length on some of the other shows where he's been on for like four hours on Friday nights [01:25:35.420 --> 01:25:40.380] So the best thing for you to do to kind of get caught it get up to speed on these issues with Harman [01:25:40.700 --> 01:25:45.580] is to go to the archive page on the logo's radio network website and and [01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:49.660] Type in the word Harman or Harman Taylor in the search window [01:25:49.900 --> 01:25:54.540] And then you it'll pull up a list of all the archives that Harman is on you can listen to those and get caught up [01:25:55.260 --> 01:26:01.180] Okay, are you guys ready for the next caller? We are ready. Yeah, let's go ahead and take robert there [01:26:01.180 --> 01:26:05.100] Since he's been holding for small robert. What can we do for you? [01:26:05.900 --> 01:26:10.380] And robert just dropped off right when you went to take his call [01:26:10.940 --> 01:26:18.220] All right robert if you're out there listening call us back right now. We're going to go to wendy in california wendy. What can we do for you? [01:26:19.180 --> 01:26:23.900] Hi, um, I was wondering what to do in the case where um, if the traffic [01:26:25.020 --> 01:26:27.020] stopped and their [01:26:27.020 --> 01:26:33.820] charges were a failure to be to present license failure to show registration and and then also [01:26:34.460 --> 01:26:35.500] um [01:26:35.500 --> 01:26:36.860] insurance [01:26:36.860 --> 01:26:38.860] But where are you driving at the time? [01:26:39.740 --> 01:26:45.260] Do we want to be driving? Hold on. That's why i'm asking. Were you driving at the time? [01:26:45.980 --> 01:26:47.020] No [01:26:47.020 --> 01:26:49.020] Good, that's the correct answer [01:26:51.100 --> 01:26:52.700] Okay [01:26:52.700 --> 01:27:00.220] Okay, thank you. She's one of your students. Yes. She is okay. She's a regular caller trying to fight this issue out there in california [01:27:00.220 --> 01:27:05.500] Harman, you want to help her out here with what you got on it? Yeah, really briefly the the thing [01:27:06.140 --> 01:27:09.340] There is to know and this is the case with any case [01:27:10.060 --> 01:27:13.340] The thing to do is to know what we're getting into at the time [01:27:13.820 --> 01:27:20.300] And so where we're at the situation where the mars lights go on and we get stopped and they treat us [01:27:20.300 --> 01:27:26.940] Very professionally and say we uh, give us your life history and do it now and we don't do that [01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:33.500] They say well, this is uncomfortable for us. You put us in a bad position. We're going to have to write you up for 14 things [01:27:34.220 --> 01:27:38.540] Okay, they start writing out all these tickets. Here's all these tickets. You owe us $4,500 [01:27:39.100 --> 01:27:40.940] See in court [01:27:40.940 --> 01:27:48.060] Okay, this is where it matters that we know what we're getting into before we ever get into that circumstance [01:27:48.060 --> 01:27:51.500] The failure to present a license [01:27:52.460 --> 01:27:58.060] Only matters if we're actually in transportation, which is why I'm getting into the driving issue [01:27:58.620 --> 01:28:00.620] Driving being a terribly [01:28:01.180 --> 01:28:02.540] detailed [01:28:02.540 --> 01:28:04.300] Semantical term [01:28:04.300 --> 01:28:08.380] It doesn't mean a generic getting behind the wheel. That's traveling [01:28:09.340 --> 01:28:13.020] Driving is transportation if we're not in transportation [01:28:13.020 --> 01:28:18.300] That's what we need to be able to articulate at the time of the stop [01:28:18.940 --> 01:28:24.300] It's the concept. We need to be able to articulate all the way through the process right now [01:28:24.620 --> 01:28:26.620] They're not very many trial courts [01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:32.780] Dealing, you know first time around trial courts in the meaning. I don't know what kind of courts you have in california [01:28:33.020 --> 01:28:36.620] Here they're municipal and jp courts. What's y'all's first level court there? [01:28:37.980 --> 01:28:39.980] You know, I'm not sure [01:28:39.980 --> 01:28:43.980] Okay, well, I'll call the municipal court. It could be anything [01:28:44.780 --> 01:28:51.100] The the question is do they understand what we're talking about when we say we're not in transportation answer? No, they don't [01:28:51.740 --> 01:28:53.100] Not yet [01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:55.100] They will it's going to take a while [01:28:55.740 --> 01:29:00.540] But we have to know going into it what the game is we have to be able to document [01:29:00.940 --> 01:29:05.980] That we know what the game is and we just have to strap on the seat belt [01:29:05.980 --> 01:29:10.140] And go in for the the whole of that ride [01:29:10.940 --> 01:29:17.020] And document timely what our position is in the right court and just save the money aside [01:29:17.100 --> 01:29:19.100] this stuff can get kind of expensive [01:29:19.900 --> 01:29:24.780] And and just follow the timely paperwork that continues to assert the position [01:29:27.420 --> 01:29:29.420] Okay [01:29:30.940 --> 01:29:32.940] In this case [01:29:32.940 --> 01:29:39.740] Hang on just second wendy. We're about to go to break. So for those out there listening Robert is called back in and we're about to [01:29:39.740 --> 01:29:41.900] Go to break. We've got about a half an hour left in the show [01:29:42.540 --> 01:29:49.580] Wendy we'll finish up with you on the other side and take Robert calling number is 5126461984 folks [01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:53.900] You've got about 30 minutes if you've got an issue now it's time to call [01:29:54.060 --> 01:29:58.220] Please do not wait till the last minute and that's not be able to get to you. We'll be right back [01:29:58.220 --> 01:30:04.540] Top 10 reasons to question the official story of the Oklahoma City bombing reason number 10 [01:30:04.940 --> 01:30:06.380] What is on the surveillance tapes? 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Let's wrap you up [01:32:49.580 --> 01:32:55.820] Okay before I forget I need to get hold of rick in california who you've mentioned before my emails are just not getting to you [01:32:56.460 --> 01:32:57.580] strangely [01:32:57.580 --> 01:32:59.580] but then also about this case [01:32:59.980 --> 01:33:00.940] um [01:33:00.940 --> 01:33:05.900] What happened was this embarrassing this was the one where I had an attorney early on who [01:33:06.460 --> 01:33:10.540] Turned out to withhold all my evidence which would have exonerated me [01:33:11.180 --> 01:33:13.180] so but then I um [01:33:14.140 --> 01:33:16.780] You know no longer have him but then when the trial came up [01:33:16.780 --> 01:33:21.580] I it made a mistake and missed the trial so it turned into a trial in absentia [01:33:22.220 --> 01:33:26.380] But I I'm told there's a way to get like a motion to overturn it [01:33:26.380 --> 01:33:30.620] I mean, I just need to know what to do at this point to get my evidence in [01:33:31.900 --> 01:33:33.900] That's at all possible [01:33:35.580 --> 01:33:42.700] Hi, you're talking california the procedure which uh, I would not for a moment profess to be able to [01:33:42.700 --> 01:33:46.300] To tell you immediately on that sort of thing [01:33:46.940 --> 01:33:50.860] Uh, if you've got an ineffective assistance thing [01:33:51.420 --> 01:33:53.820] Well, you say the attorney wasn't even there at the time [01:33:54.700 --> 01:34:00.060] It's at that stage an issue of timely going to the court to say [01:34:01.020 --> 01:34:04.220] Uh, I realize I missed this and here's why [01:34:05.100 --> 01:34:10.700] And either it's a good reason or it's not if it's a good reason they may give you a new trial and if it's not [01:34:10.700 --> 01:34:14.060] Uh, it may just that case may just be over [01:34:17.020 --> 01:34:20.140] No, I don't I don't know right now up top of my head [01:34:20.940 --> 01:34:24.380] Uh, what to suggest to do in the california system [01:34:25.420 --> 01:34:27.340] Okay [01:34:27.340 --> 01:34:30.380] If you've got if you've got the procedural code there [01:34:31.020 --> 01:34:33.020] That's that's where I would start [01:34:33.660 --> 01:34:38.940] And just see if there's a rule that talks about that and if there's not and we go to the cases and see if there's a case [01:34:38.940 --> 01:34:41.980] It talks about it and if there's not you got [01:34:42.700 --> 01:34:44.380] got a whole [01:34:44.380 --> 01:34:48.460] Open court there to see if there's a way to get that reinstated [01:34:49.660 --> 01:34:51.660] Uh, wendy exactly [01:34:52.700 --> 01:34:56.860] Where did you get the email address you're using to contact rick is the one I supplied you with? [01:34:57.580 --> 01:35:01.580] No, no, no, I never was able to reach you to even get this contact information [01:35:01.820 --> 01:35:06.940] Is what i'm saying and not your fault at all. It's like a lot of my email messages just sort of vanished [01:35:06.940 --> 01:35:08.940] But only the important one [01:35:09.580 --> 01:35:15.580] Ah, well, of course. Okay, normally he has his address posted in his youtube videos [01:35:16.220 --> 01:35:20.780] Uh, let me see if I can get you exactly what that information is for him here [01:35:21.820 --> 01:35:22.940] um [01:35:22.940 --> 01:35:24.940] Let's see [01:35:26.380 --> 01:35:28.140] Yeah, it is [01:35:28.140 --> 01:35:29.820] tacit [01:35:29.820 --> 01:35:30.940] i k [01:35:30.940 --> 01:35:32.620] al [01:35:32.620 --> 01:35:34.380] g u y [01:35:34.380 --> 01:35:35.180] one [01:35:35.180 --> 01:35:37.180] Is his yahoo ID [01:35:38.380 --> 01:35:43.180] Now he did give me permission to give out his cell phone number for folks there in california [01:35:43.900 --> 01:35:46.540] His cell phone is seven six zero [01:35:47.660 --> 01:35:49.660] six nine four [01:35:50.220 --> 01:35:52.220] two eight one eight [01:35:53.660 --> 01:35:55.020] Okay, great [01:35:55.020 --> 01:35:59.900] Can you repeat that email address his email address one for that's not his email? [01:35:59.900 --> 01:36:03.660] That's his yahoo ID or his um youtube ID [01:36:03.660 --> 01:36:11.820] He has an email address. That is that id with the number one on the end of it at yahoo. I know that [01:36:13.020 --> 01:36:14.620] Okay [01:36:14.620 --> 01:36:19.500] So it's tactical guy one with the spelling I gave you at yahoo.com [01:36:20.220 --> 01:36:21.820] Okay [01:36:21.820 --> 01:36:23.180] Thank you [01:36:23.180 --> 01:36:25.180] You're very welcome. We're sent the call [01:36:26.060 --> 01:36:28.060] Thanks for calling in wendy [01:36:28.060 --> 01:36:30.060] Okay [01:36:31.260 --> 01:36:35.260] All right, now we're going to go to robert in texas robert. What can we do for you? [01:36:35.900 --> 01:36:41.660] Yes, sir greetings to both of you gentlemen sir and my question is can uh on surcharges [01:36:43.900 --> 01:36:49.260] You're talking about the surcharges for the license fees and all that yes, sir, okay [01:36:50.700 --> 01:36:52.700] Uh, can those be uh [01:36:52.700 --> 01:36:57.900] Um, this dismiss or drop to I don't know how you know, it's well first off [01:36:57.980 --> 01:37:02.540] What's the situation? How did you wind up with surcharges? I didn't it's my son [01:37:03.100 --> 01:37:07.100] So it's good. I'm going to get him to see if I can go to his class or give you a call [01:37:07.980 --> 01:37:13.180] This number can we get a hold of you this number that we call for this way? No, this is a call in line [01:37:13.900 --> 01:37:15.900] This is a call. I want some radio show [01:37:15.900 --> 01:37:22.540] Okay, so uh, you can send me an email at eddyde at ruleoflawradio.com [01:37:23.420 --> 01:37:27.100] Do not call the show to try to get in touch with me. That's not going to help you [01:37:27.660 --> 01:37:29.020] Okay, what is that? [01:37:29.020 --> 01:37:31.020] email again [01:37:31.020 --> 01:37:33.020] eddyde [01:37:33.580 --> 01:37:36.460] at rule of law radio dot com [01:37:37.820 --> 01:37:39.260] Okay [01:37:39.260 --> 01:37:44.220] All right now as far as the surcharges and all that goes first thing is [01:37:44.220 --> 01:37:46.220] Has your son had a trial? [01:37:47.500 --> 01:37:49.260] No [01:37:49.260 --> 01:37:54.460] No, then why are they sticking surcharges on the license if he hadn't even had the case adjudicated? [01:37:55.260 --> 01:38:00.140] Well, that means there's a good chance of being dismissed or dropped. I don't know. I think that's why I'm calling [01:38:01.020 --> 01:38:01.820] but uh [01:38:01.820 --> 01:38:08.860] Did they tell you that there's the potential for surcharges or they already told you that there are surcharges surcharges [01:38:08.860 --> 01:38:16.060] I believe is there a number a phone number we can call or something like that or just I could send you that after you send me an email [01:38:16.940 --> 01:38:21.420] Okay, so it's eddy. I do not wish to give out my cell phone on the air [01:38:21.500 --> 01:38:25.580] I understand it's busy enough and the bill's high enough as it is [01:38:25.980 --> 01:38:30.460] I I understand now eddy at what radio dot com. What is it? [01:38:31.660 --> 01:38:37.100] eddy at rule of law radio dot com [01:38:37.100 --> 01:38:39.580] Yeah, robert. See we donate [01:38:40.620 --> 01:38:47.580] About eight hours a week of our time for free to help people on the air on the radio [01:38:48.060 --> 01:38:53.020] If people want more of our time than that they're going to have to hire us because we have to pay [01:38:53.260 --> 01:38:58.940] You know, we we got to eat too. We can't just we can't just give out our cell phone numbers and just give a free [01:38:59.260 --> 01:39:03.500] You know run a free legal help desk 24 seven. That's not going to work [01:39:03.500 --> 01:39:07.660] But but we will give out free help on the air on the radio [01:39:07.740 --> 01:39:13.100] But if people need more help than that, then they're going to have to go to eddy's class or they're going to have to hire us privately for our time [01:39:13.180 --> 01:39:16.460] Yeah, I've already I've already got the address of it for the class stuff. It's in Guadalupe [01:39:16.940 --> 01:39:21.660] Anyway, I wrote that down but another question y'all were taking donations for something is that I don't know [01:39:22.540 --> 01:39:24.540] Well, we always need donations [01:39:25.340 --> 01:39:28.780] Yeah, uh, there's several different kinds you can offer right now [01:39:28.780 --> 01:39:35.580] We we need donations for the website and for the network, of course, but we also have ongoing issues like [01:39:36.540 --> 01:39:41.740] My appellate case and the lawsuit will be filing against the city and the state [01:39:42.380 --> 01:39:44.380] Eventually over this case [01:39:44.620 --> 01:39:47.180] We need donations to support all of those [01:39:47.740 --> 01:39:52.460] We're fighting these fights for you folks so that you don't have to do it [01:39:52.460 --> 01:39:59.500] We've made the effort to learn how to combat the system, but we need your support to make it happen [01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:03.580] We are not independently wealthy. In fact, if [01:40:04.940 --> 01:40:08.060] Money was miles. I couldn't get across the street [01:40:09.180 --> 01:40:11.180] Okay, so [01:40:11.260 --> 01:40:15.340] Every donation to everything we've got helps us somehow [01:40:15.340 --> 01:40:22.140] Whether it be to us as individuals to pursue these cases or be the network to keep us going on the air [01:40:22.860 --> 01:40:24.860] So we're always up for donations [01:40:25.100 --> 01:40:28.700] We're always looking for people to join the new website and support us [01:40:29.260 --> 01:40:35.100] On that venue and so on and so forth. I understand now to take your class [01:40:36.380 --> 01:40:43.500] Is that uh, can I name the first class is free if it's your first visit or if you're a police officer or attorney [01:40:43.500 --> 01:40:47.820] There's never a charge. I want you to come in and get educated beyond where you're at [01:40:48.380 --> 01:40:51.340] We would raise your IQ considerably on your job [01:40:53.500 --> 01:41:02.060] But other than that after that initial class, it's 20 a class and if you want private consultation on particular specifics of your case [01:41:02.540 --> 01:41:04.540] It's an ounce of silver per hour [01:41:04.780 --> 01:41:07.420] And there's also the traffic seminar [01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:15.900] Which includes the full the audio of the full weekend when eddie gave a seminar on the on the texas transportation code [01:41:16.220 --> 01:41:23.420] That includes. I don't know how many it's like 20 hours worth of audio and eddie's book that he that he wrote [01:41:23.820 --> 01:41:30.780] Dissecting the texas transportation code that seminar package is $250 and that's highly recommended for folks that are going to get it [01:41:30.780 --> 01:41:33.340] You need that in addition to the classes [01:41:33.340 --> 01:41:38.780] Is especially if you want the legal documents because the classes eddie's week [01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:47.660] Sunday classes don't include legal documents if you want all the motions and the briefs and all the all of all of that kind of information [01:41:47.900 --> 01:41:49.900] Then you need to purchase the traffic seminar [01:41:52.700 --> 01:41:54.700] Okay [01:41:55.900 --> 01:42:01.020] Anything else robert he may have dropped off. Are you still there robert? I think he's gone [01:42:01.020 --> 01:42:08.780] Okay, hopefully that answered all your questions robert in the meantime. We're going to go ahead and take david in illinois david [01:42:08.780 --> 01:42:10.460] What can we do for you? [01:42:10.460 --> 01:42:12.460] hey guys [01:42:12.460 --> 01:42:18.860] I want to tell you that i purchased your traffic seminar to help you guys out and i found a lot of the information in there [01:42:20.940 --> 01:42:25.420] Very interesting and some of the stuff i haven't seen before hey david wait a second [01:42:25.420 --> 01:42:32.300] You've got a real bad phone connection. Can you get on another extension or something? Are you on a landline or a cell phone? [01:42:32.300 --> 01:42:33.820] Or what's going on? [01:42:33.820 --> 01:42:35.020] What's the problem? [01:42:35.020 --> 01:42:40.060] It's clicking. There's like this real loud loud pop really loud pops and you're cutting in and out [01:42:40.300 --> 01:42:43.420] Are you on a cell phone or are you on a landline or what on a landline? [01:42:43.740 --> 01:42:46.860] Can you get on another extension? It may be the phone itself [01:42:48.380 --> 01:42:49.980] well [01:42:49.980 --> 01:42:51.580] Yeah, well that [01:42:51.580 --> 01:42:53.580] Can you call in from your cell phone? [01:42:53.580 --> 01:42:58.300] It sounds like there's a problem with the actual phone line itself [01:42:59.580 --> 01:43:02.860] Yeah, I heard that I heard that on the air before with you guys before [01:43:03.420 --> 01:43:05.900] There was a lot of static with some other colors coming. I don't know if it's [01:43:06.540 --> 01:43:11.740] Well, this is that there was a problem with the phones on friday because we're in the middle of a rainstorm and when there's a [01:43:11.980 --> 01:43:16.780] Big heavy rainstorm pretty much all the landlines in austin have problems [01:43:16.940 --> 01:43:21.100] But that's not what's going on right now. This is your phone. This is your line this time [01:43:21.100 --> 01:43:25.020] Okay, do you okay? I'll call back on my cell phone. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay [01:43:26.300 --> 01:43:30.380] All right folks, that's the last caller we have until he reconnects with us [01:43:31.180 --> 01:43:35.660] Uh harmon anything else you want to talk about for the last 30 seconds here before we go to break? [01:43:36.460 --> 01:43:43.580] Uh, I think we got some very good callers and it's good to see that the level of interest in this is as high as it is [01:43:44.460 --> 01:43:47.580] It's going to take that kind of continued effort [01:43:47.580 --> 01:43:50.620] To get this matter resolved [01:43:51.340 --> 01:43:54.460] What what's the matter the the matter is? [01:43:55.100 --> 01:43:59.820] Having people pretend to be in transportation thereby regulated when they're on [01:44:00.780 --> 01:44:03.980] Hey, did you hear Ron Paul's announced he's running for president in 2012? [01:44:04.060 --> 01:44:05.260] It's Ron Paul [01:44:05.260 --> 01:44:10.860] Really? Okay put down the cell phone for one minute. Your friends really don't care about your twitter updates on what you had for breakfast [01:44:10.860 --> 01:44:15.980] Oh, but I love to make those little smiley faces with punctuation marks. Of course you do now listen closely [01:44:15.980 --> 01:44:20.860] You need to go down to brave new books and learn as much as you can about Ron Paul and his message before it's too late [01:44:20.940 --> 01:44:23.340] They have all of his books and many of the books he talks about [01:44:23.660 --> 01:44:28.460] They also have t-shirts bumper stickers and yard signs so that you can show your support for him during the campaign [01:44:28.700 --> 01:44:31.100] Brave new books. Did they have Harry Potter and Twilight? [01:44:31.820 --> 01:44:37.260] No, but they do carry a large selection of survival and preparedness books to protect your family in time of emergency [01:44:37.500 --> 01:44:39.820] Uh, that sounds like that show in the discovery channel [01:44:39.820 --> 01:44:45.820] Yeah, there's even a wilderness survival expert that teaches classes called earth skills school that you can sign up for on the website [01:44:45.900 --> 01:44:47.500] bravenewbookstore.com [01:44:47.500 --> 01:44:52.940] What are you doing? I'm tweeting all my friends that they should go to bravenewbookstore.com or down to the bookstore in person [01:44:53.100 --> 01:44:59.020] Where's it located? 1904 Guadalupe street. There it's sent. I even made a smiley face. Great [01:45:03.740 --> 01:45:06.220] Are you the plaintiff or defendant in a lawsuit? 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Please visit ruleoflongradio.com and click on the banner [01:45:58.860 --> 01:46:02.940] Or call toll free 866 law easy [01:46:02.940 --> 01:46:11.740] All right folks, we are back. David has reconnected with us. We're going to take him online here and see a snap crackling pot [01:46:12.140 --> 01:46:14.140] I [01:46:14.140 --> 01:46:22.620] Can you hear us? Yeah, well, yeah, but the issue is can you hear me? Yes, this time we'll hear you. Okay [01:46:23.580 --> 01:46:25.580] I [01:46:25.580 --> 01:46:33.020] Have folks we are back. David has reconnected with us. We're going to take him online here and see a snap crackling pot [01:46:33.180 --> 01:46:37.020] Have left his conversational tunes there. David. Can you hear us? [01:46:37.900 --> 01:46:40.460] Yeah, well, yeah, but the issue is can you hear me? [01:46:41.340 --> 01:46:43.340] Yes, this time [01:46:43.340 --> 01:46:45.340] Okay, excellent. I [01:46:46.140 --> 01:46:48.140] I want to ask Harman to if he [01:46:48.860 --> 01:46:52.860] Put him more thought to my question that I gave him at the end of the show [01:46:53.420 --> 01:46:56.540] Oh, I think it was on a Friday night. We were just ending up [01:46:57.260 --> 01:47:02.700] Um, I've given some more thought to it and I I wrote a fairly link. Can you repeat the question? [01:47:02.700 --> 01:47:04.940] So we'll know what we're dealing with. Oh, yeah [01:47:05.580 --> 01:47:11.740] I said I said is there a way to remove yourself from every single contract between yourself and the state [01:47:11.740 --> 01:47:15.660] Because the state is a corporation and he said yes [01:47:15.740 --> 01:47:19.260] And that would be very difficult to do and he also mentioned or he suggested that [01:47:19.900 --> 01:47:23.740] You should only do that if you are fairly well off or fairly wealthy [01:47:24.220 --> 01:47:29.660] Well, I have the ability to be autonomous and take care of myself. I have enough land and that's not an issue for me [01:47:30.540 --> 01:47:36.460] Um, I just wondered if he went home and talked about the question a little bit more after I asked it [01:47:37.100 --> 01:47:40.860] Harman you got any you got any suggestions for me or any other thoughts about that? [01:47:40.860 --> 01:47:45.260] It's a a question, of course, has been in mind for [01:47:46.220 --> 01:47:48.220] We'll say at least [01:47:48.860 --> 01:47:50.860] 15 years [01:47:50.860 --> 01:47:54.860] So, yes, it gets plenty of review in the mind [01:47:55.820 --> 01:48:00.860] And the situation is no different now from when we last talked about it [01:48:01.420 --> 01:48:03.420] Of course, there are ways [01:48:03.900 --> 01:48:05.420] to [01:48:05.420 --> 01:48:07.420] Go that direction [01:48:07.420 --> 01:48:11.500] I refer to that as the political disconnect [01:48:12.540 --> 01:48:17.580] I have talked with people who have accomplished the political disconnect [01:48:18.620 --> 01:48:19.980] and [01:48:19.980 --> 01:48:21.980] The it's it's interesting [01:48:22.300 --> 01:48:26.060] Uh, the the mechanism of political disconnect [01:48:26.780 --> 01:48:30.860] Really has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding the law [01:48:30.860 --> 01:48:41.340] So what what one bypasses by going that route is all the struggles the rest of us deal with who are not politically [01:48:42.220 --> 01:48:44.220] disconnected yet [01:48:44.540 --> 01:48:47.660] Then getting our mind around how the rest of these things work [01:48:48.620 --> 01:48:54.780] Uh, but yeah, there's there's no question that there is a condition of no [01:48:55.500 --> 01:48:57.500] Gotcha agreements, of course there is [01:48:57.500 --> 01:49:03.020] There's a condition of no political association with the current system [01:49:03.900 --> 01:49:05.500] right and [01:49:05.500 --> 01:49:07.500] so [01:49:07.500 --> 01:49:09.500] Yeah, of course it can be done [01:49:09.980 --> 01:49:15.340] Yeah, I just I found something interesting the other day there was a there was a post somebody put up and it was a [01:49:15.740 --> 01:49:17.740] I don't know if you know the gentleman [01:49:18.060 --> 01:49:20.060] His his name escapes me at the moment [01:49:20.860 --> 01:49:22.860] it was a gentleman that had a [01:49:24.220 --> 01:49:26.220] a news [01:49:26.220 --> 01:49:28.700] A news show on fox news. He was a judge [01:49:29.100 --> 01:49:30.220] um [01:49:30.220 --> 01:49:32.220] I forget his name, but um [01:49:32.700 --> 01:49:34.700] Napolitano [01:49:34.700 --> 01:49:36.540] Yeah, his last show [01:49:36.540 --> 01:49:44.300] I found that his last show his last sign-off some of the things that he said in that show were extremely telling [01:49:45.980 --> 01:49:50.620] One of the things that he said and it was almost as though he said it in a way [01:49:50.620 --> 01:49:56.620] That was almost encoded to the rest of us. He said does the government work for us [01:49:57.340 --> 01:50:01.740] Or do we work for the government and I thought about that for a second? [01:50:02.940 --> 01:50:05.260] And it became just [01:50:06.140 --> 01:50:08.140] Brilliantly clear in my head [01:50:09.180 --> 01:50:12.140] That wow if I have all these contracts with this [01:50:12.860 --> 01:50:14.860] corporation [01:50:14.860 --> 01:50:19.260] Am I not am I not an employee or am I an employee [01:50:19.260 --> 01:50:25.900] For them and that made me think even more about the question that I asked you that night and [01:50:27.020 --> 01:50:29.020] um [01:50:29.100 --> 01:50:33.260] And so I found that interesting that he that he would say that on his last show [01:50:34.220 --> 01:50:36.220] almost as a hey guys [01:50:37.020 --> 01:50:38.380] Wake up [01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:42.220] look at what the real deal is, you know, and so [01:50:42.780 --> 01:50:43.660] I [01:50:43.660 --> 01:50:49.100] I had been thinking about that and then when I saw that it reminded me of the question that I asked you and and [01:50:50.060 --> 01:50:55.180] What I've been doing recently or what I what I completely wrote up and I think I'll send it [01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:59.660] I'll send it to you Eddie and I'll maybe if we can let's hurry this up because we still got other callers [01:50:59.660 --> 01:51:02.620] And we're about to run out of time on this segment and that's the end of the show [01:51:03.340 --> 01:51:08.300] Okay, um, I'll send you what I what I wrote up. I haven't sent it yet off to [01:51:09.020 --> 01:51:10.700] the various different [01:51:10.700 --> 01:51:14.620] State agencies and whatnot, but I wrote up a notice of understanding and intent [01:51:15.500 --> 01:51:19.660] And if Eddie you could pass that on to Harman when it gets to you [01:51:20.380 --> 01:51:25.180] Uh, I'll see what I can do. I would I would be very much appreciative and could you also [01:51:25.980 --> 01:51:27.980] just for the listeners [01:51:28.380 --> 01:51:31.500] Restate your actual snail mail address [01:51:32.380 --> 01:51:35.580] Because I think a lot of people are having difficulty my snail mail address [01:51:35.580 --> 01:51:40.540] Yeah, well, yeah, you all you guys in general like where you where we can send snail mail stuff to you [01:51:41.260 --> 01:51:43.260] in general because go to ruleoflawradio.com [01:51:43.900 --> 01:51:48.700] And it's right there on the contact page and on the donation page where you can actually send us donations [01:51:50.140 --> 01:51:54.540] Okay, so we'll send donations. You guys go get documents in the same place then okay [01:51:57.020 --> 01:52:01.180] Okay, thanks for the call. Yep. That's all news. All right. Thank you. All right [01:52:01.180 --> 01:52:08.220] Thanks, David. All right, we're going to go to T in Texas and then we'll take vince in california if we've got enough time left [01:52:08.300 --> 01:52:09.980] T. What's up? [01:52:09.980 --> 01:52:13.980] Hey, um, I'm wondering if you can elaborate a little bit on the surcharges [01:52:14.380 --> 01:52:16.380] uh, guess given the scenario that [01:52:17.260 --> 01:52:19.660] He went down and paid the final ticket [01:52:20.380 --> 01:52:22.380] uh, B you didn't uh [01:52:23.020 --> 01:52:26.380] You just I guess didn't do anything if you pay the fine [01:52:26.380 --> 01:52:34.380] You've pled guilty if you plead guilty, you're cooked end of story. They will surcharge you for the next three years to the tune of [01:52:35.020 --> 01:52:37.020] $750 total [01:52:37.020 --> 01:52:42.460] Plus anything else it does to your insurance rates and so on and so forth [01:52:43.820 --> 01:52:48.860] Now as far as instituting those surcharges before you've even gone to trial [01:52:49.420 --> 01:52:53.820] Farman, would you agree that that is levying a punishment without due process? [01:52:53.820 --> 01:52:58.540] That's a good question. If the party is actually in transportation [01:53:00.140 --> 01:53:02.700] Uh, in that case isn't developed [01:53:03.660 --> 01:53:05.660] We got major problems [01:53:06.060 --> 01:53:10.620] They're trying to collect an amount that's never been adjudicated as due [01:53:11.420 --> 01:53:15.260] They're in transportation or if there's no issue about being in transportation [01:53:16.220 --> 01:53:21.980] Then it's it's a little bit different matter. Of course, they're presuming the authority to do it [01:53:21.980 --> 01:53:26.620] And those who are saying we're not in transportation [01:53:27.340 --> 01:53:30.780] Are the only ones in a position to make that habit stop [01:53:31.900 --> 01:53:33.900] But yeah, if there's an adjudication [01:53:34.780 --> 01:53:41.420] Whether it's administrative or otherwise if they're doing double duty and saying we're going to run this administratively and judicially [01:53:41.420 --> 01:53:44.140] And we're going to clobber you administratively have a nice day [01:53:44.940 --> 01:53:48.620] And it's never adjudicated. Yeah, that's that's bad [01:53:48.620 --> 01:53:52.300] Does that make sense to you T? [01:53:53.100 --> 01:53:59.180] Makes a lot of sense. Cool. This is exactly why we document the administrative side from the DPS [01:53:59.340 --> 01:54:02.860] Levying surcharges when the issue has never gone to trial [01:54:05.980 --> 01:54:10.140] See the problem is is the statute only allows the trial court [01:54:10.620 --> 01:54:14.380] To issue that information to the DPS regarding the surcharges [01:54:14.380 --> 01:54:19.260] After a ruling and order has been issued and the defense lost [01:54:20.060 --> 01:54:22.060] Well, this has not occurred [01:54:22.060 --> 01:54:27.580] The court is just unilaterally issuing that decree to the department of public safety [01:54:27.820 --> 01:54:32.380] And they're acting as if the case is already a done deal slam dunk guilty verdict [01:54:34.380 --> 01:54:38.460] So if if the case is being uh, it has been adjudicated [01:54:38.620 --> 01:54:41.740] You know, they found you guilty if it has or hasn't [01:54:41.740 --> 01:54:48.460] If it has and they found you guilty and you uh, uh, appeal in the case they they still can't [01:54:48.620 --> 01:54:54.700] That's still in adjudication and they cannot collect the charges as long as the appeal is ongoing [01:54:55.740 --> 01:54:59.340] Okay, so it's until once everything is done finish [01:55:00.300 --> 01:55:03.340] Correct. Okay. Cool. Appreciate it [01:55:04.380 --> 01:55:11.020] Yes, sir. No problem. The call. All right. All right. This leaves us just a little over three minutes to take vince in california [01:55:11.020 --> 01:55:13.020] Vince, what can we do for you? [01:55:13.100 --> 01:55:17.260] Hey, real quick the guy two callers ago about us being government employees [01:55:17.260 --> 01:55:20.860] I would suggest he read about the pure food and drug act 1906 [01:55:21.020 --> 01:55:24.540] Alfred adapt because they've written a lot about it on his blog avask [01:55:25.900 --> 01:55:31.180] And uh, I would say that we're not a man and other animals, right property. Exactly. Yeah, we're animals [01:55:31.740 --> 01:55:36.140] Uh, Harman real quick on the institution two two things. Um [01:55:36.140 --> 01:55:43.740] Um, when you go to court here in california, the one of the first papers they shove in front of you, uh, explains all of your rights according to the constitution [01:55:43.740 --> 01:55:48.700] Is that uh basis enough to bring up the constitution in court and then the second thing? [01:55:49.260 --> 01:55:51.260] Well, uh, go ahead with that. I'll [01:55:51.260 --> 01:55:56.860] See what we do with that. No, there's no reason to talk about constitution in a transportation case [01:55:57.020 --> 01:56:04.060] Constitution's got nothing to do with it either. We have agreed to be regulated by the transportation code or we haven't [01:56:04.060 --> 01:56:07.420] The only thing relevant there about a constitution [01:56:08.060 --> 01:56:13.740] Is the right to contract and of course the right to contract precedes any constitution. We have that right [01:56:14.300 --> 01:56:18.380] So we we have either agreed to be regulated or we have not [01:56:19.180 --> 01:56:22.700] And they don't have anything to do with the constitution. It's just pure commerce [01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:27.180] Okay, well that okay. Excellent. That segway is right into the second half of my question [01:56:27.980 --> 01:56:30.220] Would you say that transportation? [01:56:30.220 --> 01:56:34.860] Falls under the interstate commerce clause of the federal constitution [01:56:35.900 --> 01:56:44.300] Uh, of course, there's no federal constitution. So first answer is no and then we get into what kind of transportation are we talking about? [01:56:45.180 --> 01:56:52.380] They get here into the distinction of basically three categories international interstate and intrastate [01:56:53.100 --> 01:56:58.460] Uh, I'm not going to take the time right now to explain how we know that there is no difference between [01:56:58.460 --> 01:57:00.860] Interstate and intrastate [01:57:01.580 --> 01:57:07.740] And that can go both ways right now fundamentally an interstate right to travel exists [01:57:08.380 --> 01:57:12.300] An intrastate right to travel has not been confirmed [01:57:13.020 --> 01:57:18.060] But with or without a right to travel we cannot be compelled into commerce [01:57:18.780 --> 01:57:22.620] We cannot be compelled into any licensed area of commerce [01:57:22.620 --> 01:57:29.580] And transportation is a licensed area of commerce. We either go there voluntarily and say please regulate me [01:57:30.140 --> 01:57:35.740] Or we don't go there at all and we say I'm not in transportation. I'm just traveling [01:57:36.380 --> 01:57:41.660] Uh, we'll we'll debate this as far as we need to to get you people to understand the difference [01:57:42.300 --> 01:57:45.340] Right and there is case law about interstate [01:57:45.980 --> 01:57:51.660] Right to travel correct. I think correct. That's the one that's confirmed interstate and international [01:57:51.660 --> 01:57:55.260] Are the ones that are confirmed intrastate [01:57:56.140 --> 01:57:57.660] different matter [01:57:57.660 --> 01:58:04.940] And there's some states colorado in particular being one I've come across recently where they they actually try to distinguish the two [01:58:05.740 --> 01:58:11.420] They they commercialize part of it and then they say they've got the authority to regulate travel [01:58:15.340 --> 01:58:20.300] Yeah, they it's very confusing. No, it's all up to us constitution and everything to do that [01:58:20.300 --> 01:58:24.940] We either agree to be regulated or we don't right and you said there never was a constitution [01:58:24.940 --> 01:58:28.940] But then you said that they're what then you kind of implied that there was when there was real money [01:58:30.140 --> 01:58:36.140] Uh, no, we've never had a constitution even with real money. It's just that it's impossible to have a constitution without real money [01:58:38.140 --> 01:58:43.420] Okay, yeah the issue there being whether or not the people themselves ever agreed to accept it [01:58:43.500 --> 01:58:46.140] We never voted on the constitution as individuals [01:58:46.140 --> 01:58:49.580] Do we agreed to be bound by it and bind our government by it or not? 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