[00:00.000 --> 00:04.280]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.280 --> 00:09.240]  Rescuers in Christchurch, New Zealand Thursday were looking for any remaining life in the rubble
[00:09.240 --> 00:13.960]  as the death toll from Sunday's 6.3 earthquake rose to 98.
[00:13.960 --> 00:18.280]  With grave fears, many of the 226 missing are dead.
[00:18.280 --> 00:21.400]  Hundreds of foreign specialists are helping police and soldiers
[00:21.400 --> 00:25.000]  and teams of sniffer dogs are searching unchecked buildings.
[00:25.000 --> 00:29.080]  Damage is estimated at $12 billion.
[00:29.080 --> 00:32.880]  A US military official says the Pentagon is looking at all options
[00:32.880 --> 00:34.800]  in dealing with the Libyan crisis.
[00:34.800 --> 00:37.720]  The official said the prudent planning for military options
[00:37.720 --> 00:41.080]  centers around protecting US citizens and interests
[00:41.080 --> 00:43.680]  and stopping the violence against Libyan civilians.
[00:43.680 --> 00:47.880]  He cautioned against thinking the US military was about to storm the beaches
[00:47.880 --> 00:52.520]  but also declined to rule out the use of military force.
[00:52.520 --> 00:56.480]  Egyptians and Tunisians are rushing to the aid of their Libyan neighbors
[00:56.480 --> 01:02.080]  with hastily organized blood drives, field hospitals and convoys of food and medicine.
[01:02.080 --> 01:07.920]  In Libya, thousands are believed to have been killed in the 10-day uprising against Muammar Gaddafi.
[01:07.920 --> 01:11.280]  Volunteers say they couldn't remain indifferent to the suffering next door
[01:11.280 --> 01:15.640]  after having just fought their own battles for freedom.
[01:15.640 --> 01:20.320]  The website Politico reported Thursday the Obama White House has been holding meetings
[01:20.320 --> 01:24.360]  with lobbyists at a complex just off White House grounds.
[01:24.360 --> 01:29.040]  The venue means they're not recorded in secret service logs of White House visitors
[01:29.040 --> 01:30.680]  that are released to the public.
[01:30.680 --> 01:34.320]  The administration has touted its release of White House visitor's logs
[01:34.320 --> 01:36.760]  as a breakthrough in transparency.
[01:36.760 --> 01:40.920]  But lobbyists who've been to the off-radar conference rooms at Jackson Place
[01:40.920 --> 01:44.240]  say they had the distinct impression the meetings took place there
[01:44.240 --> 01:46.520]  so their visits wouldn't be made public.
[01:46.520 --> 01:52.040]  During last year's push to move comprehensive immigration reform legislation on Capitol Hill,
[01:52.040 --> 01:56.400]  the White House invited business representatives from the US Chamber of Commerce
[01:56.400 --> 02:00.640]  and lobbyists from the construction, manufacturing and restaurant industries
[02:00.640 --> 02:02.320]  to a Jackson Place meeting.
[02:02.320 --> 02:05.440]  One attendee told Politico the meeting was held there
[02:05.440 --> 02:09.720]  because it included several high-level business and trade association lobbyists.
[02:09.720 --> 02:13.880]  In a preemptive move to buy peace,
[02:13.880 --> 02:20.880]  King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia announced Wednesday an unprecedented $36 billion economic package
[02:20.880 --> 02:24.560]  that will provide Saudis with interest-free home loans,
[02:24.560 --> 02:27.680]  unemployment assistance and sweeping debt forgiveness.
[02:27.680 --> 02:32.160]  While Saudi Arabia has mostly been spared the unrest rippling through the Middle East,
[02:32.160 --> 02:36.520]  a robust protest movement has sprung up in its tiny neighbor Bahrain
[02:36.520 --> 02:41.120]  calling for representative government and relief from poverty and unemployment.
[02:41.120 --> 02:44.240]  In Saudi Arabia, nearly half a million people are jobless.
[02:44.240 --> 02:50.040]  Large swathes of the population rely on government aid and live in government-provided housing.
[02:50.040 --> 02:55.640]  Two-thirds of the population are under 29 and many are chafing under harsh religious rule.
[03:20.920 --> 03:28.480]  Bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:28.480 --> 03:33.880]  Bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:33.880 --> 03:39.440]  When the sherry sun comes for you?
[03:39.440 --> 03:42.360]  Tell me, whatcha gonna do?
[03:42.360 --> 03:45.840]  Whatcha gonna do?
[03:45.840 --> 03:47.480]  Yeah!
[03:47.480 --> 03:50.560]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:50.560 --> 03:52.960]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:52.960 --> 03:56.040]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[03:56.040 --> 03:58.640]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:58.640 --> 04:01.400]  When you were eight and you had bad trees,
[04:01.400 --> 04:04.120]  you'd go to school and learn the golden rule.
[04:04.120 --> 04:06.880]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[04:06.880 --> 04:09.400]  It's your good cop singing monster cool.
[04:09.400 --> 04:13.480]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[04:13.480 --> 04:16.840]  What are you going to do when we come for you?
[04:16.840 --> 04:21.520]  Here on the Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com.
[04:21.520 --> 04:23.400]  I'm one of your hosts, Deborah Stevens.
[04:23.400 --> 04:26.840]  We're here with Randy Kelton and Eddie Craig.
[04:26.840 --> 04:29.560]  Now, Randy has a very special guest for you tonight,
[04:29.560 --> 04:32.200]  a gentleman by the name of Preston Fleming.
[04:32.200 --> 04:33.440]  He's on the line with us right now.
[04:33.440 --> 04:35.600]  So, Randy, why don't you introduce our guest?
[04:35.600 --> 04:39.640]  Yes, I received an email from Mr. Fleming
[04:39.640 --> 04:44.240]  and he was talking about an exit tax
[04:44.240 --> 04:47.320]  that I was totally unaware of.
[04:47.320 --> 04:51.440]  And I suspect most of you will be unaware of it.
[04:51.440 --> 04:54.960]  And in looking at the exit tax,
[04:56.040 --> 05:00.520]  he projected where he thought this kind of treatment
[05:00.520 --> 05:04.200]  of the American public would lead the population.
[05:04.200 --> 05:07.720]  And he wrote a trilogy, they're novels,
[05:07.720 --> 05:11.200]  but they're essentially novels that predict
[05:11.200 --> 05:13.480]  where he believes we are going.
[05:13.480 --> 05:17.640]  Preston, will you explain the exit tax
[05:17.640 --> 05:22.000]  that was the germ for the creation of this trilogy?
[05:22.000 --> 05:22.840]  Certainly.
[05:23.920 --> 05:27.120]  This originated back in 1996.
[05:27.120 --> 05:28.560]  Oh, first of all, I wanted to thank you
[05:28.560 --> 05:30.080]  for inviting me on the show, Randy.
[05:30.080 --> 05:31.000]  You are welcome.
[05:32.000 --> 05:35.160]  But this exit tax idea started in 1996
[05:35.160 --> 05:39.000]  with an act called the Health Insurance Portability
[05:39.000 --> 05:42.480]  and Accountability Act, or what the tax accountants
[05:42.480 --> 05:44.240]  call it, HIPAA.
[05:44.240 --> 05:48.520]  And what it did was it taxed any wealthy American
[05:50.480 --> 05:51.880]  who renounced his citizenship
[05:51.880 --> 05:54.520]  and became a citizen of another country
[05:54.520 --> 05:57.080]  for tax avoidance purposes.
[05:57.080 --> 05:58.520]  It taxed them for 10 years
[05:58.520 --> 06:00.760]  after they renounced their citizenship.
[06:00.760 --> 06:04.320]  Now, that act later was changed
[06:05.280 --> 06:09.560]  and it became something called the,
[06:09.560 --> 06:13.560]  we had the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act
[06:13.560 --> 06:17.920]  in 1996 that went on to allow the government
[06:17.920 --> 06:22.200]  to permanently deny those same wealthy expatriates
[06:22.200 --> 06:23.560]  from entering the United States,
[06:23.560 --> 06:25.680]  again, if they were presumed to have
[06:25.680 --> 06:28.360]  tax reasons for expatriating.
[06:28.360 --> 06:32.560]  But then in 2004, the American Jobs Creation Act
[06:32.560 --> 06:36.800]  raised the levels of net worth and taxable income
[06:36.800 --> 06:40.520]  required for a presumption of tax avoidance purposes.
[06:40.520 --> 06:45.520]  And so that essentially became the first true exit tax.
[06:47.240 --> 06:50.440]  But in 2008, again, the government doesn't let up
[06:50.440 --> 06:51.800]  on this sort of thing.
[06:51.800 --> 06:56.760]  They changed the tax to, so instead of a 10 year extension
[06:56.760 --> 06:59.600]  of your tax liabilities after leaving the country,
[06:59.600 --> 07:04.320]  it created a tax that was created at the time you expatriate
[07:04.320 --> 07:07.040]  or give up your citizenship.
[07:07.040 --> 07:09.600]  And what it did was create a tax that presumes
[07:09.600 --> 07:12.960]  that you sold all your worldly possessions
[07:12.960 --> 07:17.240]  and the unrealized capital gains would be taxed at that time.
[07:17.240 --> 07:19.520]  And it would be a horrendous tax for anybody
[07:19.520 --> 07:22.320]  who had to sell their house or their property
[07:22.320 --> 07:23.960]  or their stocks at that moment.
[07:25.360 --> 07:29.960]  But it also presumes that anyone with a net worth
[07:29.960 --> 07:34.840]  of $2 million and income tax liability
[07:34.840 --> 07:39.200]  of over a certain amount, about $133,000 a year,
[07:39.200 --> 07:41.920]  it presumes that the reason for leaving the country
[07:41.920 --> 07:43.440]  is tax avoidance.
[07:43.440 --> 07:45.600]  So essentially what you see here is a news
[07:45.600 --> 07:47.560]  that tightens and tightens.
[07:47.560 --> 07:50.640]  And then in 2010, the last step here,
[07:51.560 --> 07:56.560]  buried in the offset provisions in title five
[07:56.560 --> 08:00.120]  of the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act,
[08:00.120 --> 08:03.520]  which is called the HIRE Act, H-I-R-E,
[08:03.520 --> 08:06.240]  there's a withholding tax of 30%
[08:06.240 --> 08:08.640]  of all outgoing capital flows
[08:10.160 --> 08:12.760]  and also full disclosure of the details
[08:12.760 --> 08:17.760]  for certain taxpayers if the person is deemed
[08:18.600 --> 08:21.680]  to have tax avoidance reasons.
[08:21.680 --> 08:25.120]  So again, we have essentially budding capital controls
[08:25.120 --> 08:29.840]  imposed in 2010 requiring that you prove
[08:29.840 --> 08:32.560]  that the money you are taking out with you
[08:32.560 --> 08:34.680]  has already had taxes paid on it.
[08:34.680 --> 08:36.640]  Preston, let me ask you a question.
[08:36.640 --> 08:39.840]  Okay, does this just apply to people
[08:39.840 --> 08:42.080]  who are giving up their U.S. citizenship?
[08:42.080 --> 08:43.720]  I mean, what if somebody just goes
[08:43.720 --> 08:44.920]  and lives abroad for a while?
[08:44.920 --> 08:47.320]  I mean, you know what I'm saying?
[08:47.320 --> 08:48.880]  Does that apply to people like that
[08:48.880 --> 08:50.920]  or do you have to give up your citizenship
[08:50.920 --> 08:52.880]  in order for this to apply?
[08:52.880 --> 08:55.320]  Well, it's a very important point
[08:55.320 --> 09:00.320]  because if you simply went abroad
[09:00.400 --> 09:03.320]  and parked your assets abroad
[09:03.320 --> 09:06.000]  and got dual citizenship in the country you left for
[09:07.520 --> 09:10.920]  and then decided later on to renounce your citizenship,
[09:10.920 --> 09:12.800]  there wouldn't be much left in the United States
[09:12.800 --> 09:15.280]  for this tax to apply to.
[09:15.280 --> 09:18.080]  So that's essentially what a lot of folks have done
[09:18.080 --> 09:22.400]  because the tax does require you to give up your citizenship.
[09:22.400 --> 09:24.760]  It's an expatriation tax.
[09:24.760 --> 09:27.600]  It requires that event of giving up your citizenship.
[09:27.600 --> 09:30.160]  So what a lot of folks apparently are doing
[09:30.160 --> 09:32.880]  and there are statistics on this, Deborah,
[09:32.880 --> 09:37.760]  is that they're simply raging their business affairs
[09:37.760 --> 09:42.560]  so that when and if they decide to stay abroad
[09:42.560 --> 09:47.160]  they will not be harmed by this tax.
[09:47.160 --> 09:49.320]  And essentially this is a capital flight.
[09:49.320 --> 09:51.280]  It's a very quiet capital flight.
[09:51.280 --> 09:54.160]  The people are not notifying the jailer
[09:54.160 --> 09:55.400]  as they leave the door.
[09:56.280 --> 09:58.480]  But the bad thing for the country is that
[09:59.440 --> 10:02.520]  these taxes essentially have stimulated capital flight.
[10:02.520 --> 10:06.120]  They've stimulated people to make their tax plans
[10:06.120 --> 10:09.440]  and this capital, which is very important to our economy,
[10:09.440 --> 10:12.000]  not only for business reasons,
[10:12.000 --> 10:13.760]  for all the capital formation
[10:13.760 --> 10:15.480]  that is created by this capital,
[10:15.480 --> 10:17.000]  but also the taxpayers.
[10:18.360 --> 10:20.280]  If the taxpayers are leaving,
[10:20.280 --> 10:22.480]  then the rest of us pay more tax.
[10:22.480 --> 10:24.560]  And I've got statistics on that too,
[10:24.560 --> 10:27.120]  but I wanted to just wrap up that point.
[10:28.240 --> 10:30.520]  So it sounds like the government
[10:31.480 --> 10:33.760]  is, they don't really care if you leave or not.
[10:33.760 --> 10:36.880]  They just don't want you to take your assets with you.
[10:36.880 --> 10:39.320]  At the moment, that appears to be the case.
[10:39.320 --> 10:44.160]  The law does not yet make it illegal
[10:44.160 --> 10:45.480]  to take your money out.
[10:45.480 --> 10:48.200]  But that essentially is what happens
[10:48.200 --> 10:50.480]  in many countries along the way.
[10:50.480 --> 10:54.240]  Capital controls essentially are rules
[10:54.240 --> 10:57.160]  that apply in a variety of ways.
[10:57.160 --> 11:00.040]  Right now, we have some form of capital controls
[11:00.040 --> 11:02.840]  because of the war on terror and the war on drugs.
[11:02.840 --> 11:04.800]  Essentially, if you're going to be transferring
[11:04.800 --> 11:07.080]  a large amount of money overseas,
[11:07.080 --> 11:09.280]  the Federal Reserve will hold up those transfers
[11:09.280 --> 11:10.440]  under the Patriot Act.
[11:11.520 --> 11:15.200]  Also, down the road, what countries often do
[11:15.200 --> 11:19.280]  is they will restrict bank deposits
[11:19.280 --> 11:21.360]  from being moved out of the country,
[11:21.360 --> 11:24.160]  ban the use of foreign currency within the U.S.,
[11:24.160 --> 11:26.640]  or ban U.S. residents from possessing
[11:26.640 --> 11:31.000]  foreign currency or gold, or restrict currency exchange
[11:31.000 --> 11:33.520]  to government-approved exchanges,
[11:33.520 --> 11:35.400]  those official exchange rates.
[11:35.400 --> 11:39.200]  All these things occur during the socialist economies
[11:39.200 --> 11:40.600]  in the 70s and 80s.
[11:40.600 --> 11:43.040]  If you were living in a country that essentially
[11:43.040 --> 11:44.440]  had a socialist economy,
[11:44.440 --> 11:46.880]  you couldn't exchange money easily.
[11:46.880 --> 11:49.400]  There were so-called hard currencies,
[11:49.400 --> 11:52.520]  and then the local currency, which was the soft currency.
[11:52.520 --> 11:55.040]  And this happens in many countries
[11:55.040 --> 11:57.680]  that have capital flight because people
[11:57.680 --> 12:00.560]  have no longer confidence in the currency
[12:00.560 --> 12:01.840]  or in the government.
[12:01.840 --> 12:05.280]  And that sounds sort of like the situation
[12:05.280 --> 12:07.400]  here at the present.
[12:08.800 --> 12:09.640]  It is developing.
[12:09.640 --> 12:12.360]  I think folks see the writing on the wall,
[12:12.360 --> 12:14.640]  and therefore, they're arranging their affairs
[12:14.640 --> 12:18.120]  so that they've got some money overseas.
[12:18.120 --> 12:20.480]  I'm not making any recommendations.
[12:20.480 --> 12:23.640]  I'm not a financial planner, and I'm not a tax attorney.
[12:23.640 --> 12:25.320]  So I'm not a tax accountant.
[12:25.320 --> 12:27.880]  So everyone has to decide for themselves,
[12:27.880 --> 12:29.840]  get the appropriate advice.
[12:29.840 --> 12:31.960]  But apparently, what is happening is that people
[12:31.960 --> 12:34.280]  are first arranging their affairs
[12:34.280 --> 12:37.320]  so that their money is no longer subject to tax.
[12:37.320 --> 12:40.320]  Then they're arranging their citizenship affairs.
[12:40.320 --> 12:44.480]  And then last thing, if indeed they do it at all,
[12:44.480 --> 12:46.680]  some of them are renouncing citizenship
[12:46.680 --> 12:49.080]  or simply just not coming back into the country.
[12:50.800 --> 12:53.120]  Do you have any statistics on approximately
[12:53.120 --> 12:57.200]  how many Americans immigrate from the United States each year?
[12:57.200 --> 12:59.760]  Yeah, that's hard to piece together,
[12:59.760 --> 13:01.200]  but there are statistics available.
[13:01.200 --> 13:03.720]  Some of them are no longer current
[13:03.720 --> 13:07.400]  because they've stopped collecting these numbers.
[13:07.400 --> 13:11.480]  For example, in 2000, the year 2000,
[13:11.480 --> 13:17.680]  there was a study based on the Immigration Service
[13:17.680 --> 13:20.760]  and the Census Bureau that projected
[13:20.760 --> 13:24.480]  that around 300,000 American citizens
[13:24.480 --> 13:29.200]  were expected to immigrate annually from 2000 to 2005.
[13:29.200 --> 13:31.680]  And that was projected before 9-11,
[13:31.680 --> 13:34.520]  so before the Patriot Act.
[13:34.520 --> 13:36.240]  And the Bureau of Consular Affairs
[13:36.240 --> 13:39.560]  also kept statistics on people
[13:39.560 --> 13:43.160]  who were giving up their citizenship.
[13:43.160 --> 13:45.640]  But based on the best statistics,
[13:45.640 --> 13:48.120]  both IRS statistics,
[13:48.120 --> 13:50.640]  the Bureau of Consular Affairs statistics,
[13:50.640 --> 13:52.960]  and the Census Bureau,
[13:52.960 --> 13:54.320]  there appeared to be somewhere between
[13:54.320 --> 13:57.480]  four and seven million Americans abroad.
[13:57.480 --> 14:00.000]  And many of these Americans
[14:00.000 --> 14:03.360]  are not filing taxes, tax returns at all.
[14:03.360 --> 14:06.040]  And of those who are filing tax returns,
[14:06.040 --> 14:08.640]  only a small number can be presumed
[14:08.640 --> 14:11.600]  to be working abroad just temporarily
[14:11.600 --> 14:13.640]  because, as you may know,
[14:13.640 --> 14:16.360]  there is a very substantial tax credit.
[14:16.360 --> 14:18.960]  Let's say you're working for a big American company
[14:18.960 --> 14:21.560]  and they post you to Switzerland for two years
[14:21.560 --> 14:24.640]  or to Colombia or someplace.
[14:24.640 --> 14:26.760]  You get a very nice tax credit
[14:26.760 --> 14:30.200]  for your income earned abroad
[14:30.200 --> 14:33.680]  that can make that a good situation for you.
[14:33.680 --> 14:35.640]  So you're definitely going to claim that tax credit
[14:35.640 --> 14:37.120]  on your tax return.
[14:37.120 --> 14:40.200]  The number of Americans living abroad
[14:40.200 --> 14:42.920]  filing returns who claim that credit
[14:42.920 --> 14:44.120]  is very, very small.
[14:44.120 --> 14:46.320]  So I think from that you can conclude
[14:46.320 --> 14:50.360]  that the people who are filing those returns
[14:50.360 --> 14:52.280]  are actually not working abroad.
[14:52.280 --> 14:55.200]  They're living abroad and earning their income
[14:55.200 --> 14:57.320]  from the local economy.
[14:57.320 --> 15:01.240]  Or there are some other financial arrangements going on.
[15:01.240 --> 15:04.040]  So do you see this as a trend
[15:04.040 --> 15:06.760]  that you would expect to increase?
[15:08.120 --> 15:09.160]  That's what I'm seeing.
[15:09.160 --> 15:11.440]  That's what the numbers are telling me.
[15:11.440 --> 15:14.040]  In fact, you can see it in other ways.
[15:14.040 --> 15:16.280]  There's a whole industry.
[15:16.280 --> 15:17.600]  If you, once you start Googling,
[15:17.600 --> 15:20.920]  you can see it affects patriot planning,
[15:20.920 --> 15:23.920]  relocation planning, retirement planning.
[15:23.920 --> 15:27.320]  And there are magazines and websites
[15:27.320 --> 15:31.440]  and all kinds of people selling foreign real estate
[15:31.440 --> 15:34.240]  and foreign financial planning.
[15:34.240 --> 15:35.960]  Because many Americans are moving to places
[15:35.960 --> 15:40.480]  like Panama and Costa Rica, Colombia, Mexico,
[15:40.480 --> 15:42.840]  not to mention Ireland and Switzerland
[15:42.840 --> 15:44.760]  and European places.
[15:44.760 --> 15:48.680]  And then many of them are going to the Far East as well.
[15:48.680 --> 15:50.360]  Australia, New Zealand, Philippines
[15:50.360 --> 15:52.160]  are attractive destinations.
[15:52.160 --> 15:55.520]  And you can just imagine that a person
[15:55.520 --> 15:59.120]  who's in his 50s or 60s, these are baby boomers.
[15:59.120 --> 16:03.760]  If they've got money to retire abroad,
[16:03.760 --> 16:07.240]  they've probably got a substantial amount of assets.
[16:07.240 --> 16:08.600]  And if they're taking those abroad
[16:08.600 --> 16:10.640]  to buy real estate in their new country
[16:10.640 --> 16:12.520]  or maybe set up a business there,
[16:12.520 --> 16:16.760]  that's a business that's no longer being set up in the US.
[16:16.760 --> 16:17.960]  In fact, some of those businesses
[16:17.960 --> 16:20.000]  compete with American businesses.
[16:20.000 --> 16:22.320]  So when you see the numbers of Americans
[16:22.320 --> 16:26.320]  who are planning to, invisibly planning to move abroad,
[16:27.200 --> 16:28.040]  that's disturbing.
[16:28.040 --> 16:31.840]  I've got a poll as well for 2007
[16:31.840 --> 16:33.440]  that says more light in this.
[16:35.880 --> 16:39.400]  Okay, we're about to go to break.
[16:39.400 --> 16:41.480]  Debbie, Eddie, take this out.
[16:41.480 --> 16:42.880]  I don't have my car pencil.
[16:44.440 --> 16:46.680]  All right, folks, this is Rule of Law Radio.
[16:46.680 --> 16:48.800]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[16:48.800 --> 16:50.840]  We'll be right back on the other side of the break.
[16:50.840 --> 16:54.400]  So please hang in there and follow us on through.
[16:54.400 --> 16:55.720]  This is Thursday.
[16:55.720 --> 17:00.720]  We'll be back shortly.
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[19:20.920 --> 19:23.800]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[19:23.800 --> 19:28.080]  Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Preston Fleming
[19:28.080 --> 19:31.560]  about the exit tax.
[19:31.560 --> 19:32.920]  And we have a caller.
[19:32.920 --> 19:34.760]  We have Tom from Virginia.
[19:34.760 --> 19:36.240]  You had a question on point.
[19:37.960 --> 19:41.760]  Yeah, I had the, I was, I live in a boat
[19:42.640 --> 19:45.240]  and I was touching base with another gentleman
[19:45.240 --> 19:48.920]  that is preparing his boat to be launched
[19:48.920 --> 19:50.840]  not that long from now.
[19:50.840 --> 19:52.640]  And we were discussing a lot of things
[19:52.640 --> 19:57.160]  and we ended up discussing politics and stuff like that.
[19:57.160 --> 19:59.960]  But in any event, he was warning me about the fact
[19:59.960 --> 20:02.040]  and that was the reason for my question.
[20:02.040 --> 20:06.000]  That they, apparently there's some sort of law
[20:06.000 --> 20:09.440]  or stipulation or something that when a citizen
[20:09.440 --> 20:12.600]  attempts to leave the country on his boat,
[20:12.600 --> 20:14.400]  whereas in the past, I always thought it was like,
[20:14.400 --> 20:15.840]  well, you could just travel.
[20:16.920 --> 20:18.960]  They, you have to, the Homeland Security
[20:18.960 --> 20:21.760]  or somebody had permission for you to leave the country
[20:22.800 --> 20:26.840]  and a permission for me to leave the country.
[20:26.840 --> 20:30.200]  So, I mean, it's really just a question.
[20:30.200 --> 20:31.440]  Have you heard anything about that?
[20:31.440 --> 20:34.240]  Yes, there was talk about legislation
[20:34.240 --> 20:37.920]  that would require you as a private pilot
[20:37.920 --> 20:42.560]  to have to get permission to fly wherever you wanted to fly
[20:42.560 --> 20:44.120]  that you would have to get permission
[20:44.120 --> 20:47.560]  from Homeland Security to get on an airplane.
[20:48.920 --> 20:52.000]  That does not seem to have come to fruition,
[20:52.000 --> 20:55.320]  but a few months ago, there was a lot of hoopla about it.
[20:56.800 --> 21:00.280]  I don't think that ever actually occurred.
[21:00.280 --> 21:04.040]  But you're referring to pilots of private planes.
[21:04.040 --> 21:06.560]  Well, here you're talking about a boat
[21:06.560 --> 21:09.480]  that's going, if it's leaving the country,
[21:09.480 --> 21:12.080]  it will enter the ADIZ zone,
[21:12.080 --> 21:14.480]  Air Defense Identification Zone.
[21:14.480 --> 21:17.120]  And I'm not sure how that affects boats,
[21:17.120 --> 21:19.120]  but I know if I stray into that thing,
[21:19.120 --> 21:21.840]  I'll find myself with either a jet or a helicopter
[21:21.840 --> 21:24.880]  hanging off of each wingtip really fast
[21:24.880 --> 21:26.960]  if I haven't filed a flight plan
[21:26.960 --> 21:30.080]  that tells them exactly when I'm coming, when I'm going.
[21:31.000 --> 21:34.760]  And apparently, they're getting a lot more restricted
[21:34.760 --> 21:38.520]  with airplanes, but with boats,
[21:40.160 --> 21:41.680]  I haven't heard anything about that,
[21:41.680 --> 21:45.080]  and that is an interesting issue.
[21:45.080 --> 21:47.760]  Where might I be able to research?
[21:47.760 --> 21:51.480]  Because you're describing planes, which, and I agree,
[21:51.480 --> 21:53.240]  if you're going to be flying something bizarre,
[21:53.240 --> 21:56.000]  you don't file a flight plan or whatever,
[21:56.000 --> 21:57.200]  yeah, just not for nothing,
[21:57.200 --> 21:58.560]  but somebody should know where you're going
[21:58.560 --> 22:00.120]  and whatever else.
[22:00.120 --> 22:02.320]  A boat is a totally different instrument,
[22:02.320 --> 22:04.800]  a totally different vehicle.
[22:04.800 --> 22:07.240]  Where might I be able to look at the law
[22:08.400 --> 22:10.840]  or the ruling or the, you know,
[22:10.840 --> 22:11.920]  it's probably not a law,
[22:11.920 --> 22:15.120]  it's probably some sort of administrative rule
[22:15.120 --> 22:17.440]  that they're trying to implement
[22:18.400 --> 22:23.080]  that I might be able to look at and see what exists.
[22:23.080 --> 22:24.480]  You know, any idea?
[22:24.480 --> 22:28.160]  The only idea I would have would be Homeland Security.
[22:28.160 --> 22:29.840]  You might try the customs website,
[22:29.840 --> 22:33.160]  because they might have a,
[22:33.160 --> 22:34.560]  this might be a procedural matter
[22:34.560 --> 22:37.120]  where just as you're required to declare
[22:37.120 --> 22:39.720]  a large amount of money if you're boarding an airplane,
[22:39.720 --> 22:41.840]  there may be procedural requirements
[22:41.840 --> 22:46.280]  when you're leaving the country with an asset like a boat.
[22:46.280 --> 22:47.880]  Yeah, and I can almost understand that.
[22:47.880 --> 22:49.440]  If I try to cross the border,
[22:50.720 --> 22:53.280]  I have to jump through all sorts of hoops.
[22:53.280 --> 22:55.920]  But if you get in a boat, you leave the jurisdiction
[22:57.440 --> 23:02.160]  and you can just enter another country essentially anywhere.
[23:04.400 --> 23:08.520]  Well, that's what I was surprised at when I,
[23:08.520 --> 23:11.040]  we were of like mind in a lot of different areas,
[23:11.040 --> 23:12.160]  which I'm not going to get into,
[23:12.160 --> 23:15.640]  but he said, be careful if you go to leave the country.
[23:16.560 --> 23:18.280]  And initially, I'm just going to go south.
[23:18.280 --> 23:21.880]  This is my last winter up this far north.
[23:21.880 --> 23:23.960]  I'll be going south and maybe the Bahamas
[23:23.960 --> 23:24.800]  and stuff like that.
[23:24.800 --> 23:27.680]  But the idea of leaving the country
[23:27.680 --> 23:29.400]  and then having some sort of a rule
[23:29.400 --> 23:31.600]  to restrict your freedom of travel,
[23:32.560 --> 23:35.480]  I know that might broach into your other topics
[23:35.480 --> 23:37.080]  that you get into, like I'm not driving,
[23:37.080 --> 23:39.200]  I'm traveling and that kind of stuff.
[23:39.200 --> 23:42.440]  I haven't really looked into the law on marathon law
[23:42.440 --> 23:45.560]  as to what the, you know, once you're out at sea,
[23:47.000 --> 23:48.040]  you know, barring pirates,
[23:48.040 --> 23:50.840]  but you should have some freedom.
[23:50.840 --> 23:53.920]  That was the, once you're 12 miles out,
[23:53.920 --> 23:57.320]  as I understand, they have no claim,
[23:57.320 --> 24:00.560]  but the United States, the last I heard were made with,
[24:00.560 --> 24:02.520]  they were making claims,
[24:02.520 --> 24:06.200]  I think up to either 50 or 150 miles out.
[24:06.200 --> 24:09.240]  Yeah, I think it's like, didn't they claim like 200?
[24:09.240 --> 24:10.320]  It's something like that.
[24:10.320 --> 24:11.720]  It's not going to stand up,
[24:12.760 --> 24:14.600]  but, you know, they do this kind of thing.
[24:14.600 --> 24:17.480]  When the Coast Guard decides to say, you know,
[24:17.480 --> 24:19.840]  we claim Rez Judica right here.
[24:19.840 --> 24:21.720]  So whatever.
[24:21.720 --> 24:23.080]  In the real world we live in,
[24:23.080 --> 24:25.600]  they pretty much do what they want to, but.
[24:25.600 --> 24:27.280]  I agree.
[24:27.280 --> 24:30.520]  I absolutely have no experience in this area.
[24:32.360 --> 24:33.840]  All right, well, I'll tell you what,
[24:33.840 --> 24:37.000]  if I grind through it, which I will,
[24:37.000 --> 24:41.040]  and come up with something concrete for work on,
[24:41.040 --> 24:42.800]  I'll email you some information on it
[24:42.800 --> 24:45.160]  because something that I need, what about?
[24:45.160 --> 24:48.200]  Wonderful, I would very much like to get that.
[24:48.200 --> 24:49.520]  Yeah, if you're doing a search online,
[24:49.520 --> 24:54.240]  I would look for maritime departure requirements,
[24:54.240 --> 24:55.840]  look at the customs website,
[24:55.840 --> 24:58.640]  because there's probably people who have commented about
[24:58.640 --> 24:59.840]  forms they've had to fill out,
[24:59.840 --> 25:04.840]  or after the fact regulation type
[25:04.880 --> 25:07.360]  procedure requirements that they weren't aware of,
[25:07.360 --> 25:10.280]  but later on they were told they had to abide by.
[25:10.280 --> 25:13.680]  So you're probably the first one that's asked this question
[25:13.680 --> 25:15.400]  that's probably out there somewhere.
[25:15.400 --> 25:18.760]  There is a website called the Sales Forum,
[25:18.760 --> 25:21.840]  and it's actually an international, it's a global thing.
[25:21.840 --> 25:24.560]  It's for people who sell worldwide,
[25:24.560 --> 25:27.640]  and the topics you can get into and everything
[25:27.640 --> 25:29.480]  are literally worldwide.
[25:29.480 --> 25:31.160]  And many times, your answer,
[25:31.160 --> 25:32.520]  you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
[25:32.520 --> 25:35.600]  Your answer is right there on the Sales Forum.
[25:35.600 --> 25:39.120]  And I do that, because I'll go and I'll just,
[25:39.120 --> 25:41.680]  there's a search box and everything, you look it up.
[25:41.680 --> 25:44.800]  But I'll start there, because many times people
[25:44.800 --> 25:47.720]  have crossed that path and either solved
[25:47.720 --> 25:50.640]  or been a victim of the problem,
[25:50.640 --> 25:52.760]  and then they have the real life experience.
[25:52.760 --> 25:55.160]  So I'll do my due diligence.
[25:55.160 --> 25:57.760]  And as I said, a friend of mine kept saying
[25:57.760 --> 26:00.640]  that you really gotta call Rule of Law Radio,
[26:00.640 --> 26:03.560]  and I just decided to log in tonight
[26:03.560 --> 26:04.880]  and listen to what you're talking about.
[26:04.880 --> 26:06.880]  And I just happened to be at a topic
[26:06.880 --> 26:08.880]  that really came up in the last couple of weeks.
[26:08.880 --> 26:13.040]  So I'm sure I'll be talking to you again.
[26:13.040 --> 26:14.960]  Okay, thank you very much for calling.
[26:14.960 --> 26:18.960]  Okay, Preston, I would like to get into a topic.
[26:18.960 --> 26:23.960]  Preston and I did a show on Truth Radio last week,
[26:23.960 --> 26:28.960]  and he got into the topic of how the country
[26:30.800 --> 26:35.800]  could deteriorate into a totalitarian regime
[26:36.720 --> 26:38.200]  and the signs to look for.
[26:38.200 --> 26:42.400]  Will you address that and how it relates to the books,
[26:42.400 --> 26:45.200]  the trilogy that you have written?
[26:45.200 --> 26:46.200]  Certainly, yeah.
[26:46.200 --> 26:51.200]  Oh, I wrote the first book in the Kamas trilogy,
[26:51.200 --> 26:56.200]  the book, 40 Days of Kamas, in 2000, of course, before 9-11.
[26:57.200 --> 27:00.600]  At that time, everything was going fine for me,
[27:00.600 --> 27:04.200]  and I lived in a place I loved and the work I enjoyed.
[27:04.200 --> 27:07.000]  But I was apprehensive about the feeling
[27:07.000 --> 27:09.240]  that things weren't gonna stay the same,
[27:09.240 --> 27:12.120]  weren't gonna stay as swell as they were then.
[27:12.120 --> 27:15.200]  And I had a vision of an America
[27:15.200 --> 27:18.360]  that was not what people projected forward for America.
[27:18.360 --> 27:22.120]  It wasn't this high-tech, prosperous country
[27:22.120 --> 27:26.360]  where we all lived in harmony.
[27:26.360 --> 27:29.200]  It was something more like what I experienced
[27:29.200 --> 27:30.840]  overseas in the Third World,
[27:30.840 --> 27:34.120]  particularly in the former Soviet Union
[27:34.120 --> 27:37.640]  and in the Middle East during some of their civil wars.
[27:37.640 --> 27:41.000]  And what I saw was an America that was low-tech,
[27:41.000 --> 27:46.000]  impoverished, and also had a great deal of civil unrest.
[27:46.480 --> 27:50.560]  And so, as a result of that, I wrote the first book,
[27:50.560 --> 27:52.240]  and then I wrote the second one,
[27:52.240 --> 27:54.760]  which is called Star Chamber Brotherhood,
[27:54.760 --> 27:56.560]  which is set five years later.
[27:56.560 --> 28:01.560]  But in 40 Days of Kamas, it's set in the year 2024
[28:01.600 --> 28:05.880]  in a corrective labor camp in the Kamas Valley in Utah,
[28:05.880 --> 28:09.040]  which is not far from the resort towns of Park City.
[28:09.040 --> 28:14.040]  And it's at a time after we had a president for life,
[28:14.880 --> 28:18.160]  one of those dictators that simply won't go away.
[28:18.160 --> 28:22.600]  And he, in order to subdue the population,
[28:22.600 --> 28:24.280]  created these camps.
[28:24.280 --> 28:28.040]  After a series of natural and man-made disasters
[28:28.040 --> 28:32.040]  essentially had made Americans suffer a great deal.
[28:32.040 --> 28:35.280]  Because these kinds of revolutionary events
[28:35.280 --> 28:36.760]  don't occur out of the blue.
[28:36.760 --> 28:39.240]  There are events that precipitate them.
[28:39.240 --> 28:41.840]  For example, in the Depression
[28:41.840 --> 28:45.760]  and the hyperinflation in Germany in the 20s and 30s,
[28:45.760 --> 28:49.040]  also in the Soviet Union, you had the Russian Revolution,
[28:49.040 --> 28:51.240]  and World War I that precipitated
[28:51.240 --> 28:52.600]  a great deal of hardship.
[28:52.600 --> 28:55.520]  So if you posit that there would be
[28:56.640 --> 28:57.960]  certain prerequisites occurring,
[28:57.960 --> 29:00.840]  and then in America where we lost some freedom,
[29:00.840 --> 29:03.160]  and then certain hardships occurred,
[29:03.160 --> 29:07.480]  I imagined and wrote the book saying that
[29:07.480 --> 29:09.240]  under those circumstances, even America,
[29:09.240 --> 29:12.040]  that could have its American democracy
[29:12.040 --> 29:14.200]  replaced by an American tyranny.
[29:14.200 --> 29:16.240]  And so in 40 days of Kamas,
[29:16.240 --> 29:19.920]  there is a revolt of these political prisoners,
[29:19.920 --> 29:22.720]  these Americans who were rounded up
[29:22.720 --> 29:24.560]  for many spurious reasons.
[29:24.560 --> 29:28.320]  Many of them were simply objected to the degree
[29:28.320 --> 29:33.320]  of oppression by their president for life.
[29:33.400 --> 29:37.440]  And so this is how I imagine things happening.
[29:37.440 --> 29:41.960]  But as it is now, I imagine a certain set of steps.
[29:41.960 --> 29:43.200]  We're about to go to break.
[29:43.200 --> 29:44.280]  Oh sure.
[29:44.280 --> 29:46.240]  I'd like to go back to this on the other side,
[29:46.240 --> 29:50.720]  and the signs to look for that would lead us there.
[29:50.720 --> 29:51.560]  Great.
[29:51.560 --> 29:54.600]  Because you're speaking to the gallery with this audience.
[29:54.600 --> 29:56.840]  This is Randy Kalten, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[29:56.840 --> 29:59.000]  Rule of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[31:54.720 --> 32:18.480]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Barry Stevens, and Craig
[32:18.480 --> 32:21.920]  out of La Radio, we're here with Preston Fleming.
[32:21.920 --> 32:24.640]  And I did an interview with him a while back
[32:24.640 --> 32:27.800]  and after talking to Preston for a while,
[32:27.800 --> 32:30.160]  it became clear that he's not one of us,
[32:31.640 --> 32:35.200]  that he's not steeped in the legal reform movement.
[32:35.200 --> 32:40.200]  And frankly, I was surprised based on the nature
[32:40.480 --> 32:43.880]  of the documents of the book that he wrote
[32:43.880 --> 32:46.040]  and the things that he was talking about,
[32:46.040 --> 32:55.040]  the five stages to watch for that would point to us,
[32:55.280 --> 32:59.440]  leading to a totalitarian government.
[32:59.440 --> 33:02.920]  And we didn't go into Preston's bio
[33:02.920 --> 33:05.080]  and I would like you to do that.
[33:06.040 --> 33:06.880]  Okay.
[33:06.880 --> 33:11.440]  Because Preston did this from what he saw
[33:11.440 --> 33:14.600]  from his travels around the world.
[33:14.600 --> 33:16.480]  And then when you listen to him
[33:16.480 --> 33:18.480]  tell you about these five steps,
[33:18.480 --> 33:21.400]  I think you will find it as chilling as I did.
[33:23.000 --> 33:24.840]  Okay, Preston, kind of give us an idea
[33:24.840 --> 33:28.280]  of what your background is that led you to this.
[33:28.280 --> 33:29.560]  Great.
[33:29.560 --> 33:34.560]  Well, I spent about 11 years in the federal government
[33:34.720 --> 33:36.800]  and most of that was spent in the Middle East.
[33:36.800 --> 33:38.560]  I was working in our American embassies
[33:38.560 --> 33:41.440]  in the State Department, the US Foreign Service.
[33:41.440 --> 33:45.680]  And so I was in Beirut during part of the Civil War
[33:45.680 --> 33:49.080]  and also in Saudi Arabia during the Mecca Mosque takeover
[33:49.080 --> 33:51.880]  and in several other countries during their civil unrest.
[33:51.880 --> 33:53.360]  So I could see what led to it,
[33:53.360 --> 33:56.000]  I could see what it felt like to be in those countries.
[33:56.000 --> 33:59.640]  It's certainly not something that I would wish on anyone.
[34:00.560 --> 34:03.080]  And then I was also having worked in the government later,
[34:03.080 --> 34:05.440]  I worked in business and also practiced law
[34:05.440 --> 34:06.760]  for several years.
[34:06.760 --> 34:09.320]  I've had direct meetings with high level leaders
[34:09.320 --> 34:11.400]  so I know how they think.
[34:11.400 --> 34:15.120]  And also I made the lifelong study of tyranny and freedom
[34:15.120 --> 34:18.680]  because I grew up in a place, Cleveland, Ohio,
[34:18.680 --> 34:21.200]  where there are many refugees,
[34:21.200 --> 34:24.960]  especially after World War II and after the Hungarian revolt
[34:24.960 --> 34:27.040]  and after the Czech Spring and so on.
[34:27.040 --> 34:29.120]  And so it was part of our culture there
[34:29.120 --> 34:32.000]  to hear the stories of oppression in the old country
[34:32.000 --> 34:34.040]  and what made people come to America for freedom.
[34:34.040 --> 34:36.360]  So this is something that I've learned about
[34:36.360 --> 34:37.360]  when I was a child.
[34:37.360 --> 34:42.360]  So my, I was very sensitive to this.
[34:43.440 --> 34:46.000]  And so what I was able to do over the years
[34:46.000 --> 34:49.800]  was kind of distill what the sensitive points are
[34:49.800 --> 34:51.200]  we should watch for.
[34:51.200 --> 34:53.560]  The sort of the infrastructure that gets put in place
[34:53.560 --> 34:57.360]  that makes it possible, prerequisites so to speak,
[34:57.360 --> 34:58.760]  for tyranny.
[34:58.760 --> 35:00.960]  And the five stages, and I'll just first name them
[35:00.960 --> 35:03.400]  and then I'll explain the first few stages
[35:03.400 --> 35:05.080]  that apply to where we are now.
[35:05.080 --> 35:08.360]  First of all, you have a concentration of power
[35:08.360 --> 35:10.040]  and obviously we're talking about government,
[35:10.040 --> 35:11.960]  but it's not just government.
[35:11.960 --> 35:13.920]  Then there's a stage of corruption
[35:13.920 --> 35:17.120]  where there are abuses of that power.
[35:17.120 --> 35:19.640]  Then third, there's a stage of polarization
[35:19.640 --> 35:22.360]  where portions of the population suffering
[35:22.360 --> 35:24.880]  under that corruption and concentration of power
[35:24.880 --> 35:27.880]  start resisting and then there's a crystallization
[35:27.880 --> 35:29.640]  of what those issues are.
[35:29.640 --> 35:32.840]  And then that, if indeed it gets bad enough,
[35:32.840 --> 35:36.520]  there'll be a crisis where the,
[35:36.520 --> 35:41.680]  where certain hardships happen.
[35:41.680 --> 35:43.280]  This could be natural disasters,
[35:43.280 --> 35:45.280]  it could be civil unrest, it could be war,
[35:45.280 --> 35:48.320]  it could be a pandemic, those, every country,
[35:48.320 --> 35:49.920]  every era is different.
[35:49.920 --> 35:52.200]  But if you have that sort of crisis,
[35:52.200 --> 35:54.600]  then what happens next is a conflict
[35:54.600 --> 35:57.040]  and usually it's a winner take all conflict.
[35:57.040 --> 36:00.640]  And if the winner is a tyrannical regime
[36:00.640 --> 36:02.840]  and you never know until it happens,
[36:04.240 --> 36:07.520]  then you essentially have repression of the losers.
[36:07.520 --> 36:10.640]  The winners will open those camps,
[36:10.640 --> 36:13.960]  they'll take their opponents and they'll put them away
[36:13.960 --> 36:17.320]  and not only prevent them from counterrevolution,
[36:17.320 --> 36:19.920]  but also to intimidate the remaining people
[36:19.920 --> 36:22.600]  and also to use their assets and their labor.
[36:22.600 --> 36:27.600]  Of course, if you're a person of some financial means
[36:27.600 --> 36:29.800]  and you're a loser in this battle,
[36:29.800 --> 36:31.400]  they're gonna take what you have
[36:31.400 --> 36:33.280]  before they throw you in the camp.
[36:33.280 --> 36:36.160]  That's history has shown that.
[36:36.160 --> 36:38.040]  So getting back to where we are now,
[36:38.040 --> 36:40.160]  we're not nearly to the crisis stage.
[36:40.160 --> 36:42.240]  In fact, we probably aren't very far
[36:42.240 --> 36:44.000]  into the polarization stage,
[36:44.000 --> 36:46.720]  but we certainly have seen the concentration of power,
[36:46.720 --> 36:48.480]  we're seeing the corruption.
[36:48.480 --> 36:52.960]  And here are some of the things that I would look for
[36:52.960 --> 36:54.520]  within those stages.
[36:54.520 --> 36:59.520]  First of all, I think you look for things like election fraud,
[37:02.880 --> 37:06.200]  intimidation and persecution of political opponents.
[37:06.200 --> 37:07.160]  I think that's what we call
[37:07.160 --> 37:09.400]  the politics of personal destruction.
[37:09.400 --> 37:12.040]  And that can take the form of selective prosecution,
[37:13.040 --> 37:16.600]  abuse of civil forfeiture procedures,
[37:16.600 --> 37:18.400]  confiscation and so on.
[37:18.400 --> 37:21.600]  You could have just the general flouting of the law
[37:21.600 --> 37:24.840]  where the federal administration,
[37:24.840 --> 37:27.160]  the executive flouts court orders,
[37:27.160 --> 37:28.480]  Congress and the Constitution,
[37:28.480 --> 37:30.360]  you're seeing that now.
[37:30.360 --> 37:32.960]  Certain executive orders essentially going
[37:32.960 --> 37:37.200]  in the face of court orders from high court to the land.
[37:37.200 --> 37:39.360]  Then you see things like currency controls
[37:39.360 --> 37:40.360]  and capital controls,
[37:40.360 --> 37:42.960]  which is what we're talking about with the exit tax.
[37:42.960 --> 37:46.400]  And the exit taxes lead to things called exit visas.
[37:46.400 --> 37:47.840]  And that's what they had in the Soviet Union.
[37:47.840 --> 37:52.200]  You couldn't leave the country without getting permission.
[37:52.200 --> 37:55.440]  And just recently, last week, I believe it was,
[37:55.440 --> 37:57.240]  I read an article, an op-ed piece
[37:57.240 --> 38:00.960]  by former cabinet member Robert Reich.
[38:00.960 --> 38:03.560]  And he said that, well, these wealthy people
[38:03.560 --> 38:04.680]  who aren't paying their taxes
[38:04.680 --> 38:06.600]  ought to lose their citizenship.
[38:06.600 --> 38:10.440]  Well, to me, that's not a very American thought.
[38:10.440 --> 38:14.520]  I think there can be arguments about taxes
[38:14.520 --> 38:17.520]  and about how much taxes are due,
[38:17.520 --> 38:19.360]  but it's not something you lose your citizenship over.
[38:19.360 --> 38:21.840]  So I really took issue with that.
[38:22.920 --> 38:25.320]  Then there are things like the state ID card
[38:25.320 --> 38:27.480]  that's essentially required for everything.
[38:27.480 --> 38:30.360]  And the Soviet Union, that was called the internal passport.
[38:30.360 --> 38:33.160]  In fact, they had a procedure there
[38:33.160 --> 38:35.360]  where you had to have a permit
[38:35.360 --> 38:36.840]  to live in a certain portion of the country.
[38:36.840 --> 38:39.760]  You couldn't live in Moscow if you didn't have a permit.
[38:39.760 --> 38:41.800]  They didn't want everyone flocking to Moscow.
[38:41.800 --> 38:45.440]  So under that system, you couldn't move to New York City
[38:45.440 --> 38:47.920]  or to Atlanta or to Houston
[38:47.920 --> 38:50.080]  without permission from the government.
[38:50.080 --> 38:53.000]  Then another stage in this corruption
[38:53.000 --> 38:56.440]  and polarization stage would be suppression of free speech.
[38:56.440 --> 38:58.400]  For example, the things they're proposing
[38:58.400 --> 39:00.640]  against talk radio and the free internet.
[39:00.640 --> 39:02.880]  The internet kill switch is the kind of idea
[39:02.880 --> 39:04.480]  I think we're looking at here.
[39:05.440 --> 39:08.400]  Abolition of private schooling and homeschooling
[39:08.400 --> 39:10.720]  and political indoctrination in the schools.
[39:10.720 --> 39:13.440]  Now, homeschoolers, as many of you know,
[39:13.440 --> 39:15.640]  go through a great deal of trouble.
[39:15.640 --> 39:20.000]  And that is not ending those procedures
[39:20.000 --> 39:23.720]  are becoming, if anything, probably more rigid.
[39:23.720 --> 39:26.480]  Things like compulsory national service.
[39:26.480 --> 39:29.920]  If that's on the horizon, that's something to watch out for.
[39:29.920 --> 39:32.200]  Gun control, obviously, that's a perennial.
[39:33.320 --> 39:35.640]  It's always something we have to be vigilant about.
[39:35.640 --> 39:36.960]  And then there are things like
[39:36.960 --> 39:39.280]  state licensing and professions.
[39:39.280 --> 39:40.800]  There was just an article a couple weeks ago
[39:40.800 --> 39:42.600]  in the Wall Street Journal about this.
[39:42.600 --> 39:46.680]  More and more states are imposing licensing requirements
[39:46.680 --> 39:49.040]  on more and more jobs and professions.
[39:49.040 --> 39:52.120]  Things like being a shampoo person in a beauty parlor.
[39:52.120 --> 39:55.200]  I mean, do they really need a license for that?
[39:55.200 --> 39:58.600]  The danger is not just the regulatory hoopla.
[39:58.600 --> 40:00.960]  The danger is that if you have to have a license
[40:00.960 --> 40:04.240]  to make your living and you run afoul of somebody
[40:04.240 --> 40:08.360]  in the state capitol or in steady hall or in a big company
[40:08.360 --> 40:11.160]  and they start coming at you, they pull your license.
[40:11.160 --> 40:12.960]  That's what happens.
[40:12.960 --> 40:14.840]  Many doctors have lost their licenses
[40:14.840 --> 40:19.680]  over practicing medicine in a way
[40:19.680 --> 40:22.680]  that the mainstream medical community doesn't want.
[40:22.680 --> 40:24.560]  So I won't go into details there,
[40:24.560 --> 40:28.640]  but once you require the government to license your job,
[40:28.640 --> 40:29.920]  you are at risk.
[40:29.920 --> 40:33.160]  And then finally, there are things like domestic surveillance.
[40:33.160 --> 40:35.840]  This thing on your phone, this thing on your internet.
[40:35.840 --> 40:40.360]  Street cameras, RFID chips, GPS tracking.
[40:40.360 --> 40:43.240]  Now they're talking about, is cities having drones
[40:43.240 --> 40:44.960]  to watch their population?
[40:44.960 --> 40:47.600]  I mean, really, those things are not,
[40:47.600 --> 40:50.760]  we would have thought about them five years ago.
[40:50.760 --> 40:53.360]  And then there are things like state collusion
[40:53.360 --> 40:58.360]  with big business to enrich both the elites of the state
[40:58.360 --> 40:59.840]  and the elites of the big business.
[40:59.840 --> 41:04.440]  And there you have things like the condemnation of property
[41:04.440 --> 41:09.240]  for let's say a new factory going up or a new mall
[41:09.240 --> 41:15.240]  or a new movie theater for that matter using municipal bonds.
[41:15.240 --> 41:17.240]  Now if you lose your property because somebody
[41:17.240 --> 41:20.000]  wants to build a mall, is that really something
[41:20.000 --> 41:21.800]  that is required or is that abuse
[41:21.800 --> 41:23.920]  of power between big business and government?
[41:23.920 --> 41:27.520]  I think that's where that's heading.
[41:27.520 --> 41:31.400]  And another step, this is when it gets really worse,
[41:31.400 --> 41:34.200]  is you find state collusion with organized crime.
[41:34.200 --> 41:37.120]  The state collusion with people like the drug cartels
[41:37.120 --> 41:40.560]  or street gangs where the criminals become
[41:40.560 --> 41:46.160]  a vehicle of enforcing the law of an illegitimate regime.
[41:46.160 --> 41:48.400]  We're not there yet, but then the final step
[41:48.400 --> 41:52.520]  would be where you have private militias.
[41:52.520 --> 41:55.600]  People feel they have to defend their rights by having
[41:55.600 --> 41:57.880]  their own little private militia.
[41:57.880 --> 42:00.280]  And I think you're kind of seeing some of that there
[42:00.280 --> 42:05.520]  with, well, I won't mention the details,
[42:05.520 --> 42:09.400]  but you're seeing some degree of that in America
[42:09.400 --> 42:12.880]  but not to the degree that it's a threat at the moment.
[42:12.880 --> 42:14.640]  So these are the kind of things before you
[42:14.640 --> 42:18.040]  get to a crisis stage where if you see one of those happening
[42:18.040 --> 42:24.960]  after another, then I think we have to really raise our antennae.
[42:24.960 --> 42:28.240]  It looks like all of them are happening to me.
[42:28.240 --> 42:29.960]  I just started to say, I think you've just
[42:29.960 --> 42:32.440]  frightened everybody out here listening.
[42:32.440 --> 42:35.000]  Well, I don't know if he's frightened everyone out here
[42:35.000 --> 42:35.480]  listening.
[42:35.480 --> 42:37.200]  I mean, this is a pretty jaded audience.
[42:37.200 --> 42:39.720]  We're like, yes, check, check, check.
[42:39.720 --> 42:43.520]  Yeah, we've known about all these for quite a while.
[42:43.520 --> 42:45.160]  We've all got the pieces of the mosaic,
[42:45.160 --> 42:47.360]  but what I'm saying is that let's
[42:47.360 --> 42:48.640]  follow the scientific method.
[42:48.640 --> 42:52.680]  Scientific method is you have a working hypothesis,
[42:52.680 --> 42:54.600]  you make predictions, and then you
[42:54.600 --> 42:56.400]  see where the facts lead you.
[42:56.400 --> 42:58.920]  Do your predictions come true?
[42:58.920 --> 43:00.920]  Do the facts follow your predictions
[43:00.920 --> 43:02.720]  or are your predictions off?
[43:02.720 --> 43:04.400]  And so I'm making predictions.
[43:04.400 --> 43:08.400]  And when these things happen, it shows that my theory probably
[43:08.400 --> 43:09.880]  has some credence.
[43:09.880 --> 43:13.080]  So if you see a lot of these things happening,
[43:13.080 --> 43:15.720]  then you'll be looking for this polarization stage.
[43:15.720 --> 43:22.280]  And if you then have something like a pandemic
[43:22.280 --> 43:26.600]  or you have some kind of an earthquake or, you know,
[43:26.600 --> 43:28.280]  it's not going to be very good.
[43:28.280 --> 43:30.840]  The analysis are dispossessed in the right way.
[43:30.840 --> 43:31.840]  Hold on.
[43:31.840 --> 43:32.340]  Hold on.
[43:32.340 --> 43:33.760]  We're coming up on break.
[43:33.760 --> 43:38.560]  And when we come back, I would like for Eddie and Deborah
[43:38.560 --> 43:41.920]  to address some of those things that we're already
[43:41.920 --> 43:44.680]  seeing that the general public doesn't hear about.
[43:44.680 --> 43:45.480]  Great.
[43:45.480 --> 43:47.640]  That what you're talking about, we
[43:47.640 --> 43:50.800]  see that it really is here and it's happening now.
[43:50.800 --> 43:52.440]  I'd love to hear that myself.
[43:52.440 --> 43:54.640]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[43:54.640 --> 43:56.160]  Wheel of Law Radio.
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[46:45.640 --> 46:48.920]  OK, Watching the Sparks Fly here on Wheel of Law Radio
[46:48.920 --> 46:51.720]  with Randy Felton, Debra Stevens, Betty Craig.
[46:51.720 --> 46:55.640]  We're back with our very special guest, Preston Fleming.
[46:55.640 --> 46:59.320]  And you were talking about making predictions
[46:59.320 --> 47:06.680]  based on a theory or an expectation of what would come
[47:06.680 --> 47:08.800]  and apply it to the scientific method.
[47:08.800 --> 47:11.120]  If your theory is correct, your predictions
[47:11.120 --> 47:14.520]  should come true as you make them.
[47:14.520 --> 47:16.920]  Will you continue on that track?
[47:16.920 --> 47:18.080]  Yes.
[47:18.080 --> 47:19.880]  Of course, we all have free will.
[47:19.880 --> 47:21.800]  And these things are not set in stone.
[47:21.800 --> 47:25.960]  We have a choice as to how we deal with these events.
[47:25.960 --> 47:29.200]  But I think part of choosing is being informed.
[47:29.200 --> 47:31.200]  And there are patterns in history.
[47:31.200 --> 47:33.920]  We've seen them, especially in the 20th century,
[47:33.920 --> 47:36.880]  when totalitarian governments have taken over.
[47:36.880 --> 47:38.400]  And if you watch those patterns, you
[47:38.400 --> 47:43.680]  can see certain things that are common in our state today.
[47:43.680 --> 47:47.920]  And I think what's unique today is that we are, I believe,
[47:47.920 --> 47:50.120]  at the end of a cycle.
[47:50.120 --> 47:51.440]  And there are cycles in nature.
[47:51.440 --> 47:52.880]  There are cycles in history.
[47:52.880 --> 47:55.560]  There are cycles in generations.
[47:55.560 --> 47:59.640]  And to use one analogy, in the natural cycle,
[47:59.640 --> 48:03.240]  forest fires start when the forest gets overgrown.
[48:03.240 --> 48:05.760]  And you all remember the scene in Bambi
[48:05.760 --> 48:11.840]  where all the animals, both the bears and both the carnivores
[48:11.840 --> 48:14.280]  and the little furry animals, are all
[48:14.280 --> 48:18.120]  fleeing in the same direction away from the forest fire.
[48:18.120 --> 48:23.560]  Well, I think we're living in a time of the end of the line
[48:23.560 --> 48:26.160]  with our current big government, big business, big banks,
[48:26.160 --> 48:29.080]  big media, big academia, you name it.
[48:29.080 --> 48:31.360]  I think history is not a straight line.
[48:31.360 --> 48:33.640]  We can't just project more of the same.
[48:33.640 --> 48:36.440]  We've got a certain turning coming.
[48:36.440 --> 48:41.160]  And as the Germans in Weimar, Germany in the 20s and 30s,
[48:41.160 --> 48:42.600]  they could feel there was a change.
[48:42.600 --> 48:45.640]  They just didn't know what form the change would take.
[48:45.640 --> 48:48.960]  And in the revolution, there were
[48:48.960 --> 48:52.280]  many groups vying for power at the time of the Russian
[48:52.280 --> 48:53.160]  Revolution.
[48:53.160 --> 48:56.960]  The one that was most power hungry, the most ruthless,
[48:56.960 --> 48:58.120]  won.
[48:58.120 --> 49:00.480]  And in America, if we're not careful,
[49:00.480 --> 49:05.760]  if it actually leads from the stage of concentration
[49:05.760 --> 49:08.680]  of power through corruption, through polarization,
[49:08.680 --> 49:12.240]  if we get to the point of crisis and conflict,
[49:12.240 --> 49:16.760]  then we have to watch out for which are those factions that
[49:16.760 --> 49:18.280]  are vying for power.
[49:18.280 --> 49:20.640]  And you have to decide at that point,
[49:20.640 --> 49:24.280]  are you going to stay and either surrender or resist
[49:24.280 --> 49:27.360]  or are you going to leave because you've got perhaps
[49:27.360 --> 49:31.120]  children or people you've got to take care of?
[49:31.120 --> 49:33.640]  And everyone's got to choose that, make that choice.
[49:33.640 --> 49:38.120]  But I think you'd be better off leaving before the you know
[49:38.120 --> 49:42.280]  what is the fan by being able to predict these events.
[49:42.280 --> 49:44.800]  For example, in just in terms of the exit tax,
[49:44.800 --> 49:49.040]  you want to leave before they prevent bank transfers.
[49:49.040 --> 49:51.920]  You want to leave before they confiscate your gold.
[49:51.920 --> 49:55.120]  You want to leave before they have an exit tax that
[49:55.120 --> 50:01.200]  is more rigid than the one we've got now, if that's your choice.
[50:01.200 --> 50:03.360]  Now, if you choose to stay, of course,
[50:03.360 --> 50:04.920]  you're going to do everything you can
[50:04.920 --> 50:08.200]  to prevent a non-democratic government from getting in.
[50:08.200 --> 50:12.360]  And that begs the question, if you were to leave,
[50:12.360 --> 50:16.800]  where is a place less dangerous than where we are?
[50:16.800 --> 50:19.000]  Well, I'm an optimist and I wouldn't
[50:19.000 --> 50:22.520]  be writing these books if I weren't writing in a life
[50:22.520 --> 50:24.880]  affirming frame of mind.
[50:24.880 --> 50:27.360]  So I think that you're right that America
[50:27.360 --> 50:29.040]  is the bastion of freedom.
[50:29.040 --> 50:33.200]  And if our son, so to speak, were to go into Eclipse,
[50:33.200 --> 50:35.960]  the other little countries that have freedom now
[50:35.960 --> 50:38.520]  would be in a period of chill as well.
[50:38.520 --> 50:41.840]  But I think at the moment, there are places one can go
[50:41.840 --> 50:43.520]  and hopefully they will stay free.
[50:43.520 --> 50:48.560]  But if you had the president for life coming in next year,
[50:48.560 --> 50:51.400]  you'd have to make the choice and pick the best place
[50:51.400 --> 50:52.160]  you could find.
[50:52.160 --> 50:54.600]  Yes, and all the people who are talking about what
[50:54.600 --> 50:58.120]  they're expecting to happen, they're saying,
[50:58.120 --> 51:00.160]  it's going to happen quickly.
[51:00.160 --> 51:03.200]  Don't expect to have a lot of warning.
[51:03.200 --> 51:05.400]  When they shut down the currency,
[51:05.400 --> 51:07.800]  they're going to do that very quickly.
[51:07.800 --> 51:09.840]  You raised an important point there.
[51:09.840 --> 51:13.000]  As far as how do you know how long it will take?
[51:13.000 --> 51:15.000]  And here's the dilemma.
[51:15.000 --> 51:17.240]  What I'm describing is these prerequisites
[51:17.240 --> 51:18.520]  being put into place.
[51:18.520 --> 51:22.240]  We've seen over the last 15, 20 years the tools
[51:22.240 --> 51:26.000]  that an unscrupulous president could use.
[51:26.000 --> 51:28.440]  Now, you may be a Democrat or a Republican
[51:28.440 --> 51:30.120]  in terms of your voting.
[51:30.120 --> 51:31.960]  If you're a Democrat, you were very uncomfortable
[51:31.960 --> 51:35.040]  with President Bush putting those things into power.
[51:35.040 --> 51:37.400]  If you're Republican, maybe you were comfortable
[51:37.400 --> 51:39.120]  with Bush doing it or some degree,
[51:39.120 --> 51:41.760]  but you're not comfortable with President Obama doing it.
[51:41.760 --> 51:44.240]  But the point is that if you had an event
[51:44.240 --> 51:48.640]  like a natural disaster or an EMP strike,
[51:48.640 --> 51:50.440]  and I can describe that as what that is later
[51:50.440 --> 51:51.920]  if people are familiar with it,
[51:51.920 --> 51:54.600]  or a serious terrorist event
[51:54.600 --> 51:57.560]  or just a major financial collapse,
[51:57.560 --> 51:59.960]  that kind of event means that all bets are off.
[51:59.960 --> 52:04.200]  We have a discontinuity in the circumstances
[52:04.200 --> 52:06.160]  that now inform our government.
[52:06.160 --> 52:08.760]  At that point, some of these rules we have on the books,
[52:08.760 --> 52:10.680]  such as the Military Commissions Act,
[52:10.680 --> 52:12.080]  this new Council of Governors
[52:12.080 --> 52:15.400]  that Obama has been putting into place,
[52:15.400 --> 52:19.840]  the PDD 51, all these kind of things
[52:19.840 --> 52:21.480]  which are in the background,
[52:21.480 --> 52:25.360]  could be implemented with an executive order in a day.
[52:25.360 --> 52:29.400]  So you can't be sure that it's gonna be five years
[52:29.400 --> 52:31.320]  or however long you predict,
[52:31.320 --> 52:34.240]  because if there were some kind of precipitating event,
[52:34.240 --> 52:35.640]  it could happen a lot faster.
[52:35.640 --> 52:39.400]  And this is one of the things that really concerned me
[52:39.400 --> 52:42.680]  because of the presence of the Military Commissions Act
[52:42.680 --> 52:44.000]  in the background.
[52:44.000 --> 52:44.960]  And I know on the last show,
[52:44.960 --> 52:47.600]  we talked about that certain missile
[52:47.600 --> 52:49.640]  that erupted out of the ocean
[52:49.640 --> 52:51.520]  five miles off Catalina Island.
[52:51.520 --> 52:54.520]  And with my background in nuclear weapons,
[52:54.520 --> 52:59.520]  that to me, that was an absolutely incredible event.
[53:00.600 --> 53:05.600]  And our media gave it short shrift coverage.
[53:10.200 --> 53:12.920]  But Russia and China,
[53:12.920 --> 53:15.120]  they seem to have seen the importance of it
[53:15.120 --> 53:18.120]  because it pulled out of the dollar almost immediately.
[53:18.120 --> 53:22.600]  I think if there were a time where a plan was in place
[53:22.600 --> 53:25.680]  to implement the Military Commissions Act,
[53:25.680 --> 53:27.640]  that would have been it.
[53:27.640 --> 53:29.760]  Well, I guess I'm not in the same place
[53:29.760 --> 53:30.840]  as you are on that, Randy,
[53:30.840 --> 53:34.360]  in that I don't believe we have yet
[53:34.360 --> 53:37.360]  the kind of people that I'm describing in my books.
[53:37.360 --> 53:39.200]  I think those people could be out there.
[53:39.200 --> 53:40.880]  We just don't know who they are yet.
[53:40.880 --> 53:43.960]  So I don't claim now to be aware
[53:43.960 --> 53:46.520]  of any plan to implement this stuff,
[53:46.520 --> 53:49.000]  but I'm very uneasy that the tools are there
[53:49.000 --> 53:50.920]  waiting to be picked up by somebody
[53:50.920 --> 53:54.840]  who happens to seize power after some kind of event
[53:54.840 --> 53:56.120]  that we haven't happened yet.
[53:56.120 --> 53:57.880]  You might want to tune into our show
[53:57.880 --> 54:00.960]  and listen to the Agenda 21 show.
[54:02.120 --> 54:04.120]  They talk about the government
[54:04.120 --> 54:06.640]  and how they're trying to organize things
[54:06.640 --> 54:09.040]  to force everybody back into the cities
[54:09.040 --> 54:12.920]  and to pretty well literally control everything that we do
[54:12.920 --> 54:17.920]  under the auspices of sustainable development.
[54:18.720 --> 54:21.000]  Oh yes, sustainable development
[54:21.000 --> 54:23.640]  and smart growth and all that stuff.
[54:23.640 --> 54:26.120]  Those are all euphemisms for Agenda 21.
[54:26.120 --> 54:29.280]  It's all about taking away property rights,
[54:29.280 --> 54:32.000]  taking away property, people's property, period,
[54:32.000 --> 54:37.000]  and setting up these zones in areas that are non-urban
[54:37.280 --> 54:40.280]  where literally they will not allow humans to live
[54:40.280 --> 54:41.920]  and to force everyone into cities.
[54:41.920 --> 54:44.360]  And even you'll see it happening
[54:44.360 --> 54:46.080]  in places like here in Austin.
[54:46.080 --> 54:50.040]  They promote these types of zoning
[54:50.040 --> 54:52.120]  where you have the multi-use.
[54:52.120 --> 54:53.480]  It's called multi-use zoning
[54:53.480 --> 54:56.960]  where the ground floor is for shops and businesses
[54:56.960 --> 54:59.480]  and then on top of that it's apartments.
[54:59.480 --> 55:01.680]  Oh, and it's so all fluffy and cute and pretty
[55:01.680 --> 55:03.840]  and everything, but that's all part of Agenda 21
[55:03.840 --> 55:05.800]  and the whole thing with the street lamps.
[55:05.800 --> 55:07.840]  I've been seeing that here in Austin too,
[55:07.840 --> 55:10.600]  the green street lamps that they are putting up
[55:10.600 --> 55:13.280]  along Guadalupe towards in the campus area.
[55:13.280 --> 55:15.640]  They're implementing, they're rolling this out
[55:15.640 --> 55:19.080]  where every city will actually look exactly the same,
[55:19.080 --> 55:22.440]  the same type of street lamps, the same type of buildings.
[55:22.440 --> 55:24.200]  All of this is part of Agenda 21
[55:24.200 --> 55:27.120]  to drive everyone off of their property
[55:27.120 --> 55:29.280]  in the rural areas and into the cities
[55:29.280 --> 55:31.480]  and ultimately it's about population control,
[55:31.480 --> 55:34.920]  about reducing the world's population by about 80%.
[55:34.920 --> 55:36.880]  Well, those zones are something actually I describe
[55:36.880 --> 55:39.920]  in my book under somewhat a little bit different conditions
[55:39.920 --> 55:42.720]  but I describe them as restricted zones
[55:42.720 --> 55:44.440]  and these are zones that are cleared out
[55:44.440 --> 55:46.640]  of civilian population and that's of course
[55:46.640 --> 55:49.440]  where they put the corrective labor camps.
[55:49.440 --> 55:52.120]  Are you familiar with FEMA camps?
[55:52.120 --> 55:53.840]  I am familiar with those, Randy,
[55:53.840 --> 55:57.760]  and they're still in my gray box
[55:57.760 --> 56:02.320]  because I recognize that there could be a legitimate use
[56:02.320 --> 56:04.320]  for some of those camps if there were a flood
[56:04.320 --> 56:09.320]  in the Mississippi or an earthquake in California.
[56:09.320 --> 56:10.960]  They also could be abused.
[56:10.960 --> 56:14.720]  Okay, there was a major hurricane
[56:14.720 --> 56:17.400]  that demolished New Orleans
[56:17.400 --> 56:19.320]  and they did not use those camps.
[56:21.040 --> 56:23.880]  The people spread out amongst the population
[56:23.880 --> 56:26.120]  and the population absorbed them.
[56:26.120 --> 56:28.800]  Actually, there were a lot of those camps, Randy,
[56:28.800 --> 56:32.520]  and there was a lot of them around the New Orleans area
[56:32.520 --> 56:36.280]  and one of them was near, I forgot,
[56:36.280 --> 56:37.800]  kind of a refinery it was.
[56:37.800 --> 56:40.000]  It was near one of these refineries
[56:40.000 --> 56:43.240]  and it literally was a camp run by FEMA.
[56:43.240 --> 56:44.800]  I think it was a FEMA camp
[56:44.800 --> 56:49.520]  and they were taking these people by bus to Walmart
[56:49.520 --> 56:52.600]  like once a week or something to get provisions or whatever
[56:52.600 --> 56:56.240]  and they were locked in the camp and they could not leave.
[56:56.240 --> 56:57.600]  That is a fact.
[56:57.600 --> 56:59.960]  That was like mainstream news.
[56:59.960 --> 57:01.040]  Okay, I didn't hear that one.
[57:01.040 --> 57:01.880]  Yeah.
[57:01.880 --> 57:03.600]  So they are using them.
[57:03.600 --> 57:05.080]  It's like they're...
[57:05.080 --> 57:07.080]  No, they're absolutely using them.
[57:07.080 --> 57:08.040]  They're setting us up.
[57:08.040 --> 57:09.800]  They're getting us accustomed to it.
[57:09.800 --> 57:12.320]  Yeah, there were camps all over the place
[57:12.320 --> 57:16.400]  where they were forcefully shipping people to these camps
[57:16.400 --> 57:18.760]  that were the Katrina refugees.
[57:18.760 --> 57:19.600]  I was saying...
[57:19.600 --> 57:21.480]  Actually, this is a good point to bring up
[57:22.520 --> 57:24.040]  the role of fiction in all this.
[57:24.040 --> 57:27.080]  Of course, the books I've written are fiction.
[57:27.080 --> 57:28.560]  Those of us who are following this,
[57:28.560 --> 57:31.360]  and of course your listeners are among them,
[57:31.360 --> 57:33.720]  after a while there's a certain information overload.
[57:33.720 --> 57:35.040]  You don't know what to make of it.
[57:35.040 --> 57:37.480]  It's too, there's too much to deny,
[57:37.480 --> 57:38.960]  but it's hard to feel it.
[57:38.960 --> 57:42.960]  What fiction allows you to do is to role play,
[57:42.960 --> 57:46.240]  to imagine a richly imagined environment
[57:46.240 --> 57:48.280]  which the author provides,
[57:48.280 --> 57:51.200]  and then imagine what you would do under those circumstances
[57:51.200 --> 57:53.520]  because you identify with the characters.
[57:53.520 --> 57:56.360]  And so many of us are kind of...
[57:56.360 --> 57:58.120]  We don't know what to do.
[57:58.120 --> 58:01.640]  We're just waiting kind of like the deer in the headlights.
[58:01.640 --> 58:04.080]  When you read a book about this,
[58:04.080 --> 58:06.120]  then you're able to kind of feel it besides.
[58:06.120 --> 58:11.120]  And that leads us to some self-promotion.
[58:11.400 --> 58:12.840]  Shameless self-promotion.
[58:12.840 --> 58:15.360]  So we're about to go to break,
[58:15.360 --> 58:16.560]  and this is top of our break.
[58:16.560 --> 58:19.240]  We'll have a three minute break.
[58:19.240 --> 58:20.360]  Let me come back.
[58:20.360 --> 58:22.960]  The first thing I'd like you to do is tell people
[58:22.960 --> 58:24.520]  where they can get your book.
[58:25.400 --> 58:27.400]  And do a little shameless self-promotion.
[58:27.400 --> 58:28.240]  We love that kind of stuff.
[58:28.240 --> 58:29.240]  Happy to do it.
[58:29.240 --> 58:31.880]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton,
[58:31.880 --> 58:35.040]  Debra Stevens, Eddie Craig, Rule of Law Radio.
[58:36.400 --> 58:40.280]  And after this next, we'll do one more session
[58:40.280 --> 58:42.200]  and then we'll open the phones.
[58:42.200 --> 58:47.200]  So if you have any questions, call in at 512-646-1948.
[58:48.320 --> 58:49.160]  And...
[58:49.160 --> 58:51.160]  It's actually 1984, Randy.
[58:51.160 --> 58:53.200]  I'm sorry, 1984.
[58:53.200 --> 58:55.520]  Okay, I'm getting old.
[58:55.520 --> 58:57.360]  I'm getting old.
[58:57.360 --> 58:58.440]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:04.160 --> 01:00:06.480]  Yemen's President Ali Abdullah Saleh
[01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.720]  has ordered his security forces to protect demonstrators
[01:00:09.720 --> 01:00:12.520]  who are trying to end his 32-year rule.
[01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:14.680]  At least 15 people have been killed
[01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:17.440]  in the country's pro-democracy demonstrations.
[01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.560]  A tent city housing thousands
[01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:22.960]  has sprung up outside the capital's Sanaa University.
[01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.440]  Pro-Saleh loyalists wielding clubs and daggers
[01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.280]  have sought to break up opposition protests.
[01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.520]  Members of Courage to Resist, a group raising funds
[01:00:33.520 --> 01:00:35.960]  to support Army Private Bradley Manning,
[01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.200]  accused of passing classified documents to WikiLeaks,
[01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:42.240]  said Thursday the online payment provider PayPal
[01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:43.840]  has frozen their account.
[01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.280]  Manning is being held in solitary confinement
[01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:47.680]  in a Virginia prison.
[01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:50.120]  The group has raised over $200,000
[01:00:50.120 --> 01:00:53.400]  for Manning's legal defense fund.
[01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.640]  The Lancet Journal reported Thursday
[01:00:55.640 --> 01:00:59.320]  air pollution triggers more heart attacks than using cocaine.
[01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.240]  The World Health Organization estimates pollution
[01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:07.200]  causes 2 million premature deaths worldwide every year.
[01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:09.560]  Rolling Stone magazine reported Thursday
[01:01:09.560 --> 01:01:13.120]  the US Army ordered a team of soldiers in Afghanistan
[01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:15.640]  specializing in psychological operations
[01:01:15.640 --> 01:01:18.000]  to manipulate visiting US senators
[01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.960]  into providing more troops and funding for the war.
[01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.160]  PSYOPs are intended to target hostile foreign groups
[01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:27.360]  that are banned by federal law for use on Americans.
[01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.560]  When Lieutenant Colonel Michael Holmes,
[01:01:29.560 --> 01:01:31.560]  leader of information operations,
[01:01:31.560 --> 01:01:34.680]  tried to deflect the order given by Lieutenant General William
[01:01:34.680 --> 01:01:37.400]  Caldwell, he found himself being investigated
[01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.400]  for alleged alcohol abuse and an inappropriate relationship
[01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.560]  with a subordinate.
[01:01:42.560 --> 01:01:44.600]  Holmes' job was to compile profiles
[01:01:44.600 --> 01:01:46.720]  of special visitors to Afghanistan,
[01:01:46.720 --> 01:01:49.840]  but Caldwell's staff commissioned Holmes' team
[01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:51.520]  to refine our messaging.
[01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:53.440]  Holmes said his team was supposed
[01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.440]  to provide a deeper analysis of pressure points
[01:01:56.440 --> 01:02:00.160]  we could use to leverage the delegation for more funds.
[01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:03.640]  Among those targeted were senators John McCain, Joe
[01:02:03.640 --> 01:02:07.000]  Lieberman, and Al Franken.
[01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.960]  A lawyer for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange
[01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.520]  says he'll appeal Thursday's ruling from a British judge.
[01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:16.880]  Assange can be extradited to Sweden to face sex crimes
[01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:17.680]  charges.
[01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:21.360]  The judge dismissed arguments he would face an unfair trial.
[01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.200]  Assange's mother Christine said, what we're looking at
[01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:27.120]  is political and legal gang rape of my son.
[01:02:27.120 --> 01:02:30.440]  Assange rocked the world's diplomatic institutions
[01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.000]  and infuriated Washington when WikiLeaks began releasing
[01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.560]  more than 250,000 secret diplomatic cables sent
[01:02:37.560 --> 01:02:39.120]  by US embassy staff.
[01:02:39.120 --> 01:02:41.360]  Among numerous revelations, the cables
[01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:43.480]  showed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
[01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.000]  ordered diplomats to spy on top UN officials.
[01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.120]  No investigation has been launched into that affair.
[01:02:50.120 --> 01:02:53.360]  Assange says the claims made against him by two women
[01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:54.720]  are politically motivated.
[01:02:54.720 --> 01:02:59.360]  More details on this story, visit INNworldreport.net.
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[01:03:58.040 --> 01:04:02.400]  OK, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.600]  Rule of Law Radio.
[01:04:04.600 --> 01:04:07.800]  And we're talking to our very special guest, Preston
[01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:16.240]  Fleming, and I found his presentation most interesting
[01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:20.480]  on the one hand and chilling on the other.
[01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:26.040]  This is someone who's seen these things happen in other places.
[01:04:26.040 --> 01:04:29.000]  And when he talked about those things that
[01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:36.560]  happened in other places and how the pieces came together,
[01:04:36.560 --> 01:04:38.520]  as he mentioned them, I was saying,
[01:04:38.520 --> 01:04:41.320]  yeah, check that one off, yes, that one, that one.
[01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.720]  I recognized all of them.
[01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:50.400]  So I think that the trilogy that he's written
[01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.280]  will be worth the read.
[01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.640]  And in that vein, I would like you to tell people
[01:04:56.640 --> 01:04:58.600]  where they can get your book.
[01:04:58.600 --> 01:04:59.600]  Great.
[01:04:59.600 --> 01:05:02.000]  Well, they can get it in several places.
[01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:07.560]  You can go to my website, which is www.PrestonFleming.com.
[01:05:07.560 --> 01:05:11.360]  That's spelled F-L-E-M-I-N-G. There you
[01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:15.160]  have free chapters you can read, as well as
[01:05:15.160 --> 01:05:17.080]  some reviews of the book.
[01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:20.560]  And the books are for sale there.
[01:05:20.560 --> 01:05:23.040]  And then you can also go to Amazon.com.
[01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:26.160]  There are quite a few reviews there of both books.
[01:05:26.160 --> 01:05:29.760]  So you can see what other people have written about them.
[01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:33.720]  Recently, I've got a review by a former military officer,
[01:05:33.720 --> 01:05:36.280]  which I'm quite proud of.
[01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.120]  And the books also are described.
[01:05:38.120 --> 01:05:42.720]  They're short synopses, so you can see what they're about.
[01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:46.800]  And then hopefully, if you like what
[01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:51.440]  you see in terms of synopsis or the sample chapters
[01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.520]  and you read the book, I would love
[01:05:53.520 --> 01:05:56.960]  to have you write a review or pass the book along
[01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.680]  to your friends, because word of mouth is really essential
[01:06:00.680 --> 01:06:03.640]  to getting these ideas out.
[01:06:03.640 --> 01:06:07.640]  As you probably remember, many people before the Civil War
[01:06:07.640 --> 01:06:09.840]  didn't really understand much about slavery
[01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.120]  until they read Uncle Tom's Cabin, which
[01:06:12.120 --> 01:06:16.320]  had a huge influence on people's perception of what
[01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:17.600]  slavery was like.
[01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:20.840]  And in the 1930s, when there was fascism in Europe
[01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:25.240]  and where we had the New Deal and the Depression going on,
[01:06:25.240 --> 01:06:28.080]  there was a book called It Can't Happen Here
[01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:31.160]  by Sinclair Lewis.
[01:06:31.160 --> 01:06:32.960]  And that book had a very large effect
[01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:34.760]  on the political dialogue then, and I
[01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.960]  think had an effect on keeping our freedoms alive
[01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:39.560]  during that period.
[01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:41.440]  So I think fiction has a big role to play.
[01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:45.680]  And if you find these books useful,
[01:06:45.680 --> 01:06:48.440]  they may help convey to people who
[01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:52.840]  don't see these things happening yet how it might feel.
[01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.840]  And always fiction has been a way
[01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:01.800]  of delivering a message to people
[01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:03.760]  in a way that's vicarious.
[01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:08.840]  It gives us a way to experience these things vicariously
[01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:14.040]  and run through the different possibilities and options.
[01:07:14.040 --> 01:07:18.240]  And I feel at an emotional level that I
[01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:21.120]  think our mind processes these things.
[01:07:21.120 --> 01:07:24.840]  You can have a large complexity of situations in fiction,
[01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.160]  but everyone understands it.
[01:07:27.160 --> 01:07:29.960]  And so sometimes your mind can process it more effectively
[01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.840]  through this kind of role playing process.
[01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:33.360]  Precisely.
[01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.120]  My primary study is psychology and not law.
[01:07:36.120 --> 01:07:40.640]  And this is a way to examine something
[01:07:40.640 --> 01:07:44.000]  that I know a lot of you people out there listen to Alex Jones.
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.000]  And he's very sensationalist.
[01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.320]  And he talks about a lot of really bad things happening.
[01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.720]  And sometimes it's difficult to process all of that.
[01:07:53.720 --> 01:07:56.920]  Well, I think the problem is that he's not really
[01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:58.320]  all that sensationalist.
[01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.880]  He's telling the truth.
[01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:02.680]  It's just that the truth sounds sensational
[01:08:02.680 --> 01:08:04.680]  because it's so outrageous.
[01:08:04.680 --> 01:08:09.480]  By doing it through fiction, you can say, well, this is not
[01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:11.040]  really happening right now, but I
[01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:14.360]  get to experience what it would be like if it actually happened.
[01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:18.000]  And it gives us a little familiarity
[01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.560]  with the possibilities so that when these things do
[01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:27.720]  begin to occur, we recognize the patterns.
[01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.520]  Yeah, I think we all have an intuition.
[01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.560]  And intuition plays an important role in large decisions.
[01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:36.840]  And so once you experience something through a movie
[01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:38.960]  or through a book, I think particularly a book,
[01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.240]  because the book asks you to imagine, whereas a movie just
[01:08:43.240 --> 01:08:44.600]  delivers a scene.
[01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.800]  But when you are forced to create your own mental images
[01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.480]  and your own views of characters based on the printed word,
[01:08:51.480 --> 01:08:54.400]  I think at that point, you're able to make up your own mind
[01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:57.920]  as to how you would act under those circumstances.
[01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:58.440]  Precisely.
[01:09:01.400 --> 01:09:03.680]  I study hypnosis.
[01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:12.080]  And the most hypnotic thing I ever do is read, especially
[01:09:12.080 --> 01:09:13.880]  when I read good prose.
[01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.480]  If the prose is well written, then I
[01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:19.600]  fall inside the writing.
[01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:23.040]  And it is the most powerful medium
[01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:26.800]  I've ever come across for transmitting ideas
[01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:27.920]  and understandings.
[01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:35.240]  And it's ethical, because you read the information
[01:09:35.240 --> 01:09:37.480]  and you come to your own conclusions.
[01:09:37.480 --> 01:09:40.040]  But you get exposed to information
[01:09:40.040 --> 01:09:46.200]  in a vicarious environment to where if someone were,
[01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:49.680]  if you were actually in a situation like this,
[01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:51.440]  there were a lot of other influences
[01:09:51.440 --> 01:09:55.560]  that wouldn't allow you to understand what's going on.
[01:09:55.560 --> 01:10:00.560]  That's an important point also to focus on here.
[01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.760]  The decisions we may have to make in the future.
[01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.040]  When I was in Beirut, first of all,
[01:10:07.040 --> 01:10:09.440]  Beirut in those days was a very sophisticated city.
[01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:12.680]  And many of the Lebanese were very Westernized.
[01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:18.960]  And they had to make decisions under similar circumstances.
[01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.680]  During the Civil War in 75, and then repeatedly
[01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:27.440]  when things got worse, people who, once their wife was held
[01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:30.640]  up at gunpoint, or once they drove by a car bomb that
[01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.200]  went by and they thought if I'd been five seconds later,
[01:10:34.200 --> 01:10:38.920]  I'd be cooked, or once the militia stops them
[01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.800]  at a checkpoint and holds them up or takes
[01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:46.080]  their car, they don't need to stay around for a second time.
[01:10:46.080 --> 01:10:49.560]  They say, I won't subject my family to this anymore.
[01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:50.280]  We're leaving.
[01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:52.960]  I don't care if we have to take the clothes off our backs,
[01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:54.520]  leave everything else behind.
[01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.040]  But in many cases, what people did was they would leave,
[01:10:58.040 --> 01:10:59.320]  the families would pull resource.
[01:10:59.320 --> 01:11:02.240]  They'd leave one of the young men
[01:11:02.240 --> 01:11:05.600]  behind to watch the apartment or the house
[01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.120]  so the squatters wouldn't take it.
[01:11:08.120 --> 01:11:11.200]  They'd leave a couple of guys to run the family business.
[01:11:11.200 --> 01:11:12.960]  And somebody in the new country would
[01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.960]  help them get on their feet.
[01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:20.600]  But all it takes is one event for many people to decide.
[01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:27.040]  I can't afford to say I have to fulfill my obligations
[01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:30.600]  to my spouse and my children or my elderly parents.
[01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.280]  And so I respect that everyone's going
[01:11:32.280 --> 01:11:34.680]  to make a different choice.
[01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:37.160]  But having seen, also when I was in Russia,
[01:11:37.160 --> 01:11:39.960]  after the fall of the Soviet Union, what was happening
[01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.800]  was that the mafia, the Russian mafia,
[01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.960]  was colluding with the government
[01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.440]  so that people were trying to form legitimate businesses
[01:11:48.440 --> 01:11:49.880]  were being squeezed out.
[01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.800]  And all it takes is one event like that for people to say,
[01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:55.760]  OK, this is a stacked deck.
[01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:59.600]  I got to get out because they're either going to take my money
[01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.000]  or they're going to take me.
[01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:02.400]  And I'd rather they take the money.
[01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:04.120]  I'll leave the business behind, and I'm
[01:12:04.120 --> 01:12:06.080]  going to go to Australia or someplace.
[01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:08.440]  And I had friends who had to make that choice
[01:12:08.440 --> 01:12:11.280]  because the Russian mafia was ruthless.
[01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:13.000]  And of course, it was all about money,
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.160]  but they didn't stop at anything.
[01:12:18.480 --> 01:12:21.800]  The problem is it's always about money.
[01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:30.200]  The thing that I like about good fiction and focused fiction
[01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:35.360]  is it gives us an opportunity to examine circumstances
[01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:39.880]  and situations from a vicarious position
[01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:45.160]  so that if we reach those circumstances and situations,
[01:12:45.160 --> 01:12:48.560]  we've already had experience there.
[01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.560]  They're not quite so difficult to handle.
[01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:53.440]  Well, actually, there's a good example of this
[01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:58.040]  in Camus in Chapter 2, which is a flashback scene.
[01:12:58.040 --> 01:13:02.440]  The main character, Paul Wagner, is sitting in his backyard
[01:13:02.440 --> 01:13:06.440]  in Swiftly, Pennsylvania, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh,
[01:13:06.440 --> 01:13:09.360]  with his lawyer and his kids playing with the fallen leaves
[01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:10.640]  in the background.
[01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:14.920]  And they're watching people with hand carts and their cars
[01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.960]  stacked high watching them leave Pittsburgh for the South.
[01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.800]  And they're deciding whether or not to sell their business.
[01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.040]  And Paul Wagner's wife is taking the position
[01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:26.360]  that, no, you can't leave.
[01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:28.760]  Our families have been here for generations,
[01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.520]  and it's just the wrong thing to do.
[01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:32.120]  Let's wait it out.
[01:13:32.120 --> 01:13:33.320]  Let's stay.
[01:13:33.320 --> 01:13:37.400]  And Paul Wagner's thinking, this may be my last chance to leave,
[01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:39.560]  but he's persuaded to stay.
[01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:43.160]  And that's, of course, he's looking back on that scene
[01:13:43.160 --> 01:13:46.240]  after he's already in the corrective labor camp.
[01:13:46.240 --> 01:13:49.360]  And the consequences, not only to him, but to his wife
[01:13:49.360 --> 01:13:54.000]  and to his young girls, are the subject of the book.
[01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.760]  So what this says is, pay attention to what's happening.
[01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.920]  Things do not always stay the same.
[01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.440]  Things always change.
[01:14:05.440 --> 01:14:08.320]  And if we're not able to change with them,
[01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:10.240]  we'll suffer the consequences.
[01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:15.160]  And sometimes we can make plans to cover our bets a bit,
[01:14:15.160 --> 01:14:16.840]  through our friends, through our relatives,
[01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.080]  through our choices of job offers,
[01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:22.200]  through where we choose to live, how we choose to invest
[01:14:22.200 --> 01:14:23.520]  our retirement money.
[01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.720]  All these things are choices we're making now,
[01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:27.600]  and they have to be informed on what we think
[01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.040]  is going to happen in the future.
[01:14:30.040 --> 01:14:30.600]  Exactly.
[01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.520]  And that's the thing that, to me,
[01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.520]  is the most interesting on life, that I'm 61 years old
[01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:39.920]  and I've made a lot of decisions in my life.
[01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:44.000]  And I get to look back on them and consider
[01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.880]  the possibility of different decisions
[01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:51.240]  and look at the consequences of the decisions that I've made.
[01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:58.000]  And if I had read more interesting stories
[01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:03.640]  about the kinds of situations I could expect to get into,
[01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.800]  I would have a deeper reservoir of potential choices to make.
[01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:16.640]  So that's what I like about good, focused fiction.
[01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:19.840]  And this fiction sounds very good and focused,
[01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.800]  because when I first talked to Preston,
[01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.160]  he was talking about the things that we've been talking
[01:15:27.160 --> 01:15:29.680]  about for quite a while.
[01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:34.120]  He was warning us to watch for the very things we have
[01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:37.360]  been seeing for quite a while.
[01:15:37.360 --> 01:15:42.280]  And every one of the five indicators that he mentioned,
[01:15:42.280 --> 01:15:44.480]  we already see.
[01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:48.760]  It's already occurring right now in front of us.
[01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:53.520]  But on the other hand, there are other things happening
[01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:57.360]  that have the potential of negating what is going on.
[01:15:57.360 --> 01:16:00.280]  And that's always the case.
[01:16:00.280 --> 01:16:04.200]  So on the one hand, I'm concerned and worried.
[01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:07.440]  And on the other hand, I'm encouraged.
[01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:08.920]  I think we all have a choice in this.
[01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.280]  And it doesn't have to turn out like my books.
[01:16:12.280 --> 01:16:14.000]  In fact, one of the reasons I wrote the books
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:18.480]  is so people have a choice and they can be forewarned
[01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:19.760]  and forearmed.
[01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:22.840]  And hopefully, it's one of those things that doesn't happen.
[01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.320]  When I was younger, I really expected
[01:16:25.320 --> 01:16:28.120]  there might be a World War III between us
[01:16:28.120 --> 01:16:30.080]  and the Soviet Union in the 1980s.
[01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:31.360]  It didn't happen.
[01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:33.320]  And since then, I've read a lot of history.
[01:16:33.320 --> 01:16:36.880]  And now I understand why it didn't happen.
[01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.080]  But at that point, I think it was a near thing.
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[01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:30.360]  I was blindsided, but now I can see your plans.
[01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:35.360]  You put the fear in my pocket, took the money from my hands.
[01:19:35.360 --> 01:19:44.360]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:19:44.360 --> 01:19:53.360]  Ain't gonna fool me.
[01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:57.360]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton,
[01:19:57.360 --> 01:20:01.360]  Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, The Rule of Law Radio,
[01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:06.360]  and we have a caller, Jim from Massachusetts.
[01:20:06.360 --> 01:20:08.360]  It's Massachusetts, Randy.
[01:20:08.360 --> 01:20:13.360]  Massachusetts, it's Worcester, Worcester, Massachusetts.
[01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:16.360]  Massachusetts does not have a T in the middle.
[01:20:16.360 --> 01:20:19.360]  And it's not Massachusetts either, it's Massachusetts.
[01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:21.360]  There's no T in the middle of that thing.
[01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:24.360]  And there's no T in the middle of it either.
[01:20:24.360 --> 01:20:30.360]  Okay, Jim, are you from Worcester?
[01:20:30.360 --> 01:20:32.360]  No, no, I'm from Framingham,
[01:20:32.360 --> 01:20:34.360]  but you should try to spell Massachusetts.
[01:20:34.360 --> 01:20:37.360]  It's even better.
[01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:39.360]  Okay, you have a question or a comment?
[01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:40.360]  Yes.
[01:20:40.360 --> 01:20:44.360]  Well, I wanted to talk to you about a case of mine.
[01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:47.360]  I know you were talking about this other subject matter, but I'm...
[01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:51.360]  That's okay, I have my mic taser turned off today.
[01:20:51.360 --> 01:20:52.360]  Okay.
[01:20:52.360 --> 01:20:57.360]  Generally, I keep a mic taser for anybody off-topic.
[01:20:57.360 --> 01:20:58.360]  Okay.
[01:20:58.360 --> 01:21:02.360]  Well, anyway, I spoke to you actually about a week or two ago,
[01:21:02.360 --> 01:21:06.360]  and I have a very interesting case of corruption in the courts up here,
[01:21:06.360 --> 01:21:08.360]  dealing with what I go through here.
[01:21:08.360 --> 01:21:13.360]  What it has to do with this, I'm a very political figure in town,
[01:21:13.360 --> 01:21:15.360]  in the town I live in,
[01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:18.360]  and I've run for a few public offices, state rep.
[01:21:18.360 --> 01:21:20.360]  I'm now running for selectman,
[01:21:20.360 --> 01:21:23.360]  and I've done this twice for both of those seats.
[01:21:23.360 --> 01:21:29.360]  And I have a bunch of people in this town that do their best to start me
[01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:33.360]  in my tracks every time I run for office.
[01:21:33.360 --> 01:21:38.360]  Well, what happened, actually, this happened in October 2010.
[01:21:38.360 --> 01:21:42.360]  There was a meeting that was held,
[01:21:42.360 --> 01:21:47.360]  it was a public meeting, a public forum by a nonprofit organization,
[01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:51.360]  and they invited the candidates there at that meeting,
[01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:55.360]  and I was a candidate, and I went to that meeting.
[01:21:55.360 --> 01:22:00.360]  And what happened was they wouldn't let me in, all right?
[01:22:00.360 --> 01:22:02.360]  They wouldn't let me in.
[01:22:02.360 --> 01:22:06.360]  But as I stood at the door waiting for permission to go in,
[01:22:06.360 --> 01:22:08.360]  because I asked them if I could come in, they said,
[01:22:08.360 --> 01:22:13.360]  stay here at the door, the fellow that ran the group called the police.
[01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:16.360]  He called a false 911 call on me.
[01:22:16.360 --> 01:22:20.360]  He said that I was creating a disturbance
[01:22:20.360 --> 01:22:25.360]  and that the police should come down there because I was harassing people.
[01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:30.360]  So four police officers came down, they came in,
[01:22:30.360 --> 01:22:32.360]  and then the priest was there.
[01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:36.360]  It was actually an erectory building, a religious building actually, too.
[01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:41.360]  And, you know, they said that, well, the priests don't want you in here,
[01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:43.360]  and they want you to leave.
[01:22:43.360 --> 01:22:45.360]  So that was the extent of that.
[01:22:45.360 --> 01:22:46.360]  I left.
[01:22:46.360 --> 01:22:49.360]  Now, I could have been arrested, but I didn't want to cause a problem,
[01:22:49.360 --> 01:22:51.360]  and I did leave.
[01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.360]  But anyway, my big problem is the 911 call.
[01:22:54.360 --> 01:23:00.360]  And so I tried to get the police to file charges because in Massachusetts,
[01:23:00.360 --> 01:23:06.360]  he broke mass general law, it's 28914B, all right,
[01:23:06.360 --> 01:23:11.360]  which had to do with peace, you know, going against the peace of the town
[01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:12.360]  or whatever it was.
[01:23:12.360 --> 01:23:13.360]  The breach of the peace.
[01:23:13.360 --> 01:23:14.360]  But anyway, what's that?
[01:23:14.360 --> 01:23:16.360]  Breach of the peace?
[01:23:16.360 --> 01:23:19.360]  Yeah, it's something like that in the law.
[01:23:19.360 --> 01:23:24.360]  But anyway, the police wouldn't file charges against this individual,
[01:23:24.360 --> 01:23:31.360]  even though he lied to the police by saying that I was creating a disturbance.
[01:23:31.360 --> 01:23:32.360]  I wasn't hurting anybody.
[01:23:32.360 --> 01:23:33.360]  I wasn't doing anything.
[01:23:33.360 --> 01:23:35.360]  I just was there waiting to go into the meeting.
[01:23:35.360 --> 01:23:38.360]  I actually got into the meeting, but then they kicked me out.
[01:23:38.360 --> 01:23:39.360]  Okay.
[01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:40.360]  Wait, stop, stop.
[01:23:40.360 --> 01:23:41.360]  Go ahead, yeah.
[01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:42.360]  Okay.
[01:23:42.360 --> 01:23:48.360]  There is a common misconception about the duty of the police.
[01:23:48.360 --> 01:23:53.360]  The police have no duty to protect you.
[01:23:53.360 --> 01:23:57.360]  The police do have a duty to enforce law.
[01:23:57.360 --> 01:24:04.360]  And what we do is we practice the bushwhack technique.
[01:24:04.360 --> 01:24:11.360]  Never ask the police to do anything unless you know that they have an
[01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:17.360]  absolute duty to do what you ask them to do.
[01:24:17.360 --> 01:24:22.360]  If you go to the police and you make a complaint to them,
[01:24:22.360 --> 01:24:26.360]  they'll give you their voluntary statement.
[01:24:26.360 --> 01:24:35.360]  Now, that's complaining, whining, griping, a Bible word called murmuring.
[01:24:35.360 --> 01:24:42.360]  However, if you take to the police officer a verified criminal affidavit
[01:24:42.360 --> 01:24:46.360]  stating that you have reason to believe and do believe based on these facts
[01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:51.360]  that this person committed this criminal act, that is a criminal complaint.
[01:24:51.360 --> 01:24:53.360]  That's not complaining.
[01:24:53.360 --> 01:24:57.360]  And that invokes a specific duty on the part of the officer to enforce the law.
[01:24:57.360 --> 01:25:01.360]  He has no duty to protect you, but if you make an accusation,
[01:25:01.360 --> 01:25:06.360]  a verified accusation of violation of law, that invokes his duty.
[01:25:06.360 --> 01:25:11.360]  When he fails to perform that duty, then he breaches a duty of his own.
[01:25:11.360 --> 01:25:20.360]  And that duty he breaches is in 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:25:20.360 --> 01:25:25.360]  18 U.S. Code 242 says if a public official acting in his official capacity
[01:25:25.360 --> 01:25:30.360]  exerts or purports to exert an authority he does not expressly have
[01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:35.360]  or fails to perform a duty he is required to perform in the process,
[01:25:35.360 --> 01:25:41.360]  denies a citizen full free access to or enjoyment of a right, that's a crime.
[01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:50.360]  Every state except New Mexico has a state statute that reflects 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:25:50.360 --> 01:25:54.360]  In Texas it's 39.03 penal code.
[01:25:54.360 --> 01:26:02.360]  Every American citizen should have that statute memorized.
[01:26:02.360 --> 01:26:09.360]  You go to the police and hand him a verified criminal affidavit.
[01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:16.360]  Now, I tend not to give legal advice to the police.
[01:26:16.360 --> 01:26:19.360]  I put the affidavit in their hand.
[01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:21.360]  They refuse to act on it.
[01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:24.360]  Hey, bubba, life is full of decisions.
[01:26:24.360 --> 01:26:27.360]  We all get to make some your turn.
[01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:30.360]  Are you going to do what the law requires you to do,
[01:26:30.360 --> 01:26:32.360]  or are you going to do something else?
[01:26:32.360 --> 01:26:35.360]  If you do something else, then I'll take a criminal complaint
[01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:39.360]  against the police officer to the prosecuting attorney
[01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:48.360]  and ask the prosecutor to arrest the police officer for official oppression
[01:26:48.360 --> 01:26:50.360]  or official misconduct.
[01:26:50.360 --> 01:26:56.360]  However, it's termed in a particular state.
[01:26:56.360 --> 01:27:00.360]  And when the prosecuting attorney refuses to perform his duty,
[01:27:00.360 --> 01:27:06.360]  then I go to the highest criminal district judge I can find,
[01:27:06.360 --> 01:27:10.360]  the highest level judge in the county I can find,
[01:27:10.360 --> 01:27:16.360]  and ask him to act in his capacity as a magistrate
[01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:20.360]  and take my criminal complaints against the prosecuting attorney,
[01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:24.360]  accusing the prosecuting attorney of obstruction of justice
[01:27:24.360 --> 01:27:26.360]  for failing to perform his duty
[01:27:26.360 --> 01:27:31.360]  and preferring criminal charges against the police department
[01:27:31.360 --> 01:27:34.360]  with the grand jury.
[01:27:34.360 --> 01:27:37.360]  And you know what the district judge is going to do.
[01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:40.360]  He's going to refuse to act.
[01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:43.360]  At least we hope he does,
[01:27:43.360 --> 01:27:46.360]  because then we get to go back to the grand jury
[01:27:46.360 --> 01:27:50.360]  with criminal charges against the district judge,
[01:27:50.360 --> 01:27:53.360]  and we accuse the district judge of official oppression
[01:27:53.360 --> 01:27:59.360]  obstruction of justice for failure to prefer criminal charges
[01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:05.360]  against the district attorney to the grand jury.
[01:28:05.360 --> 01:28:07.360]  And in order to get...
[01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:12.360]  Okay, everything's political.
[01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:17.360]  If you think that anybody obeys law, you are naive.
[01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:20.360]  The law doesn't matter.
[01:28:20.360 --> 01:28:23.360]  Yes, we need the law to get influence,
[01:28:23.360 --> 01:28:28.360]  but in the end you won't win your case based on law.
[01:28:28.360 --> 01:28:31.360]  You'll win your case based on politics.
[01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:33.360]  It's always politics.
[01:28:33.360 --> 01:28:36.360]  So how do we get politics in our favor?
[01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:38.360]  We go in and we set them up.
[01:28:38.360 --> 01:28:42.360]  We bushwack them. I love bushwacking.
[01:28:42.360 --> 01:28:46.360]  You go to the police department and you tell them,
[01:28:46.360 --> 01:28:50.360]  this dirty rotten scoundrel did this no good awful thing.
[01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:56.360]  And then you hand them a verified criminal affidavit
[01:28:56.360 --> 01:29:01.360]  as opposed to a voluntary statement.
[01:29:01.360 --> 01:29:04.360]  Voluntary statements complaining of verified criminal affidavit
[01:29:04.360 --> 01:29:06.360]  is a complaint.
[01:29:06.360 --> 01:29:09.360]  Where do you get those? Where do you get one?
[01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:16.360]  Look in, go to the district court or to the county court
[01:29:16.360 --> 01:29:18.360]  or any of the court clerks
[01:29:18.360 --> 01:29:22.360]  and ask to see some criminal complaints.
[01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:24.360]  The last time I did that, they said,
[01:29:24.360 --> 01:29:27.360]  well, what cause number do you want to see?
[01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:32.360]  I want to see the first cause number issued this year.
[01:29:32.360 --> 01:29:34.360]  They said, well, what cause number was that?
[01:29:34.360 --> 01:29:36.360]  I don't know. Look it up.
[01:29:36.360 --> 01:29:39.360]  I called 911.
[01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:42.360]  Okay, I'll explain that a little more in a little more detail
[01:29:42.360 --> 01:29:44.360]  when I get back.
[01:29:44.360 --> 01:29:48.360]  How we set these guys up to sting them good,
[01:29:48.360 --> 01:29:50.360]  to force them to follow law.
[01:29:50.360 --> 01:29:53.360]  This is Randy Kelton, Denver, Steve and Dave Craig,
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[01:32:22.360 --> 01:32:42.360]  Okay, Randy Kelton, Dr. Steven Zeddi-Craig, Radio La Radio.
[01:32:42.360 --> 01:32:48.360]  We're talking to Jim in Massachusetts.
[01:32:48.360 --> 01:32:53.360]  And we were talking about how to deal with public officials.
[01:32:53.360 --> 01:33:01.360]  Frankly, I like it when public officials refuse to perform their duty.
[01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:07.360]  If they don't refuse to perform their duty, I can't kick them in their professional teeth.
[01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:16.360]  And the one thing we try to do on this show is demonstrate how we can go after these people.
[01:33:16.360 --> 01:33:23.360]  We look for opportunities to set them up.
[01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:27.360]  In this case, you file criminal charges with the district attorney.
[01:33:27.360 --> 01:33:33.360]  He's going to refuse to perform his duty because he don't want to prosecute one of his buddies.
[01:33:33.360 --> 01:33:37.360]  So you don't go to the district attorney and read him the Riot Act,
[01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:43.360]  let him know how the cow ate the cabbage and blah, blah, blah, and all that other stuff that people normally do.
[01:33:43.360 --> 01:33:45.360]  That's not how we gain influence.
[01:33:45.360 --> 01:33:46.360]  Let's go.
[01:33:46.360 --> 01:33:47.360]  Wait, hold on one second.
[01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:50.360]  Jim, there's a lot of background noise going on on your line.
[01:33:50.360 --> 01:33:51.360]  Oh, there is?
[01:33:51.360 --> 01:33:52.360]  Yeah.
[01:33:52.360 --> 01:33:53.360]  You still there?
[01:33:53.360 --> 01:33:54.360]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:33:54.360 --> 01:33:55.360]  Okay.
[01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:56.360]  All right.
[01:33:56.360 --> 01:33:57.360]  I'm on like a headset.
[01:33:57.360 --> 01:33:58.360]  I can help you hook it.
[01:33:58.360 --> 01:33:59.360]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:33:59.360 --> 01:34:01.360]  Headsets, the call screener may not have told you.
[01:34:01.360 --> 01:34:04.360]  It's like we ask the listeners that call in, please don't use a headset.
[01:34:04.360 --> 01:34:05.360]  Okay.
[01:34:05.360 --> 01:34:06.360]  Don't use a Bluetooth.
[01:34:06.360 --> 01:34:07.360]  Don't use any kind of headset.
[01:34:07.360 --> 01:34:13.360]  Just use the regular handset and make sure you hold the mouthpiece down by your chin so you don't breathe into the mic because we hear a lot of breathing too.
[01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:15.360]  Okay, if you're on a headset.
[01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:16.360]  Yeah, that's much better.
[01:34:16.360 --> 01:34:17.360]  Yeah.
[01:34:17.360 --> 01:34:18.360]  Please call us when you call in.
[01:34:18.360 --> 01:34:21.360]  Do not use a headset of any kind at all.
[01:34:21.360 --> 01:34:22.360]  Okay.
[01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:25.360]  If you're on a headset, I'm going to hook up my mic taser.
[01:34:25.360 --> 01:34:26.360]  Okay.
[01:34:26.360 --> 01:34:27.360]  I got it.
[01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:28.360]  Okay.
[01:34:28.360 --> 01:34:33.360]  The point is we go to the government.
[01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:36.360]  We ask them to do what they're supposed to do, and they don't do it.
[01:34:36.360 --> 01:34:44.360]  We get all frustrated and we feel thwarted and defeated and angry and frustrated and all that stuff.
[01:34:44.360 --> 01:34:46.360]  Don't do that.
[01:34:46.360 --> 01:34:52.360]  I hope when I go to a public official that he doesn't do what I want him to do.
[01:34:52.360 --> 01:35:01.360]  You have not lived until you go to a public official and request that he do something he's required to do.
[01:35:01.360 --> 01:35:06.360]  And when he doesn't do it, you take out your cell phone, dial 911.
[01:35:06.360 --> 01:35:10.360]  You just haven't lived until you've done that.
[01:35:10.360 --> 01:35:15.360]  You get to see what we call the chicken dance.
[01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:23.360]  I especially like to call the police on the police when a policeman violates a law relating to his office
[01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:32.360]  and in the process denies me in full access to or enjoyment of a right that's a Class A misdemeanor in Texas, 39.03 penal code.
[01:35:32.360 --> 01:35:34.360]  And I don't care what his reasons are.
[01:35:34.360 --> 01:35:36.360]  I don't care what his opinions are.
[01:35:36.360 --> 01:35:38.360]  I don't want to hear his opinions.
[01:35:38.360 --> 01:35:42.360]  I don't even want to talk to him because he's a criminal and I don't talk to criminals.
[01:35:42.360 --> 01:35:47.360]  So I dial 911 and ask them to send an officer out to arrest this guy.
[01:35:47.360 --> 01:35:51.360]  So they send out an officer and, you know, they're buddies.
[01:35:51.360 --> 01:35:54.360]  He don't want to arrest his buddy.
[01:35:54.360 --> 01:35:57.360]  But, you know, I tell them, you know, life is filled with little decisions.
[01:35:57.360 --> 01:36:00.360]  We all get to make some.
[01:36:00.360 --> 01:36:06.360]  Are you going to perform your duty as prescribed by Article 213 Code of Criminal Procedure?
[01:36:06.360 --> 01:36:12.360]  Or are you going to shield this individual from prosecution and violation of 38.05 penal code,
[01:36:12.360 --> 01:36:16.360]  which happens to be a felony in the state of Texas?
[01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:20.360]  Bubba, life is filled with little decisions.
[01:36:20.360 --> 01:36:22.360]  We all get to make some.
[01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:27.360]  Your turn.
[01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:30.360]  I never really want to get a public official indicted.
[01:36:30.360 --> 01:36:35.360]  I don't want to get to cause them to lose their job.
[01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:39.360]  I just want to give them a little kick in the seat of the pants.
[01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:41.360]  You know, I'm a grandpa.
[01:36:41.360 --> 01:36:47.360]  And if one of my grandchildren runs out in the road, I love him dearly.
[01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:50.360]  But I'm fixing to tan his hide.
[01:36:50.360 --> 01:36:52.360]  It's not because I want to harm him.
[01:36:52.360 --> 01:36:56.360]  I want to adjust his behavior.
[01:36:56.360 --> 01:37:05.360]  And I assure you, as a sovereign citizen, you have more power to adjust their behavior than you imagine.
[01:37:05.360 --> 01:37:11.360]  You are the baddest motor scooter ever to walk in the door of the courthouse.
[01:37:11.360 --> 01:37:14.360]  Because you are the sovereign.
[01:37:14.360 --> 01:37:17.360]  No one has any claim against you.
[01:37:17.360 --> 01:37:24.360]  When you start going after them, everything they do makes it worse for them.
[01:37:24.360 --> 01:37:31.360]  If you keep your perspective, expect them not to do what they're supposed to.
[01:37:31.360 --> 01:37:45.360]  The procedure that I suggest is if you can get a public official to fail to act in accordance with the law governing his behavior,
[01:37:45.360 --> 01:37:47.360]  don't argue with him about it.
[01:37:47.360 --> 01:37:51.360]  Don't give him legal advice and tell him what he's supposed to do.
[01:37:51.360 --> 01:38:00.360]  When I take on a jurisdiction, I go in and entice them to do something they're not supposed to do.
[01:38:00.360 --> 01:38:04.360]  I give them opportunity.
[01:38:04.360 --> 01:38:10.360]  Walked into the probation department, Wise County, Texas, told the clerk, I want to see all your financial records.
[01:38:10.360 --> 01:38:11.360]  Who are you?
[01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:13.360]  Well, I'm here to tell them.
[01:38:13.360 --> 01:38:14.360]  Who are you with?
[01:38:14.360 --> 01:38:17.360]  I look behind me, look back, there's nobody back there.
[01:38:17.360 --> 01:38:18.360]  Well, why do you want to see this?
[01:38:18.360 --> 01:38:19.360]  Don't ask me that.
[01:38:19.360 --> 01:38:20.360]  She said, well, I'm asking you that.
[01:38:20.360 --> 01:38:21.360]  No, you're not asking me that.
[01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:26.360]  Because if you were asking me that, I'd have to take out my cell phone, call 911, and a police come down here and arrest you.
[01:38:26.360 --> 01:38:29.360]  Who is the custodian of the record?
[01:38:29.360 --> 01:38:33.360]  He gives me her box, and he comes out, and he said, hello, my name is Randy Moon.
[01:38:33.360 --> 01:38:34.360]  Can I help you?
[01:38:34.360 --> 01:38:35.360]  I said, yes, you can.
[01:38:35.360 --> 01:38:37.360]  I want to see all your financial records.
[01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:38.360]  Well, who are you?
[01:38:38.360 --> 01:38:40.360]  I'm Randall Kelton.
[01:38:40.360 --> 01:38:41.360]  Who are you with?
[01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:43.360]  I look behind me, there's nobody back there.
[01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:47.360]  So he's not sure if I'm just joking with him or not.
[01:38:47.360 --> 01:38:51.360]  He said, well, why do you want to see this?
[01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:53.360]  Don't ask me that.
[01:38:53.360 --> 01:38:54.360]  He said, I'm asking you that.
[01:38:54.360 --> 01:38:55.360]  I told you not to ask me that.
[01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:59.360]  He said, look, if you don't tell me why you want to see them, I'm not going to show them to you.
[01:38:59.360 --> 01:39:09.360]  He said, I already knew that 552 Texas Government Code says that the custodian of the record may make no inquiry of the requester
[01:39:09.360 --> 01:39:14.360]  other than to determine his identity and the records sought.
[01:39:14.360 --> 01:39:18.360]  Why I want to see them is not included.
[01:39:18.360 --> 01:39:28.360]  And the Open Records Act is not a civil statute, it's a criminal statute, violation of the Act, Class A misdemeanor, up to six months in jail.
[01:39:28.360 --> 01:39:32.360]  He said, if you're not going to tell me why you want to see them, I'm not going to show them to you.
[01:39:32.360 --> 01:39:34.360]  Oh, man, you shouldn't have said that.
[01:39:34.360 --> 01:39:38.360]  They got the cell phone, 911, called the chief of police.
[01:39:38.360 --> 01:39:45.360]  I called the Decatur Police Department, and this dispatcher recognized my voice and gave me the chief.
[01:39:45.360 --> 01:39:47.360]  And he sent someone out.
[01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:53.360]  I told the chief, you know, I'm here at the probation office, and I need you to send an officer out here to arrest.
[01:39:53.360 --> 01:39:55.360]  Hey, you, what did you say your name was?
[01:39:55.360 --> 01:39:58.360]  I remembered, but I made him tell me again.
[01:39:58.360 --> 01:40:06.360]  Randy Boone for Class A misdemeanor, official misconduct, criminal violation, 39.03 penal code.
[01:40:06.360 --> 01:40:08.360]  I'll sprout the complaint.
[01:40:08.360 --> 01:40:10.360]  I'll wait.
[01:40:10.360 --> 01:40:13.360]  But we'll get someone right out there.
[01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:18.360]  I told him, Mr. Boone, don't go anywhere.
[01:40:18.360 --> 01:40:21.360]  Somebody's going to want to talk to you.
[01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:24.360]  And I go over and sit down and pick up a magazine.
[01:40:24.360 --> 01:40:31.360]  And he's standing there looking at me, not believing I just did that.
[01:40:31.360 --> 01:40:34.360]  He can't believe this is happening to him.
[01:40:34.360 --> 01:40:37.360]  That's called pattern interruption.
[01:40:37.360 --> 01:40:53.360]  He will never forget that experience if we can get one or two people in every county in the country willing to do what a sovereign is required to do and take these guys on this way.
[01:40:53.360 --> 01:40:58.360]  We really can change everything.
[01:40:58.360 --> 01:41:06.360]  If you go to Wise County, Texas, and you get arrested, they're going to take you directly to the nearest magistrate.
[01:41:06.360 --> 01:41:11.360]  The only reason they do that, because I have kicked them right square in their teeth.
[01:41:11.360 --> 01:41:16.360]  And I'm just one person.
[01:41:16.360 --> 01:41:27.360]  If, Jim, if you look at them from a different perspective, stop looking at them in terms of what they didn't do right.
[01:41:27.360 --> 01:41:36.360]  Start looking at them in terms of opportunities they give you to kick them in their legal teeth.
[01:41:36.360 --> 01:41:38.360]  Everything changes.
[01:41:38.360 --> 01:41:41.360]  Well, let me tell you what happened since, though.
[01:41:41.360 --> 01:41:44.360]  This is even more interesting.
[01:41:44.360 --> 01:41:51.360]  I went this week because what happened is the police wouldn't file charges against them for breaking mass general law.
[01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:55.360]  So they told me to take them to court myself.
[01:41:55.360 --> 01:41:57.360]  So I took them to court.
[01:41:57.360 --> 01:42:00.360]  So I went before the magistrate, actually, this week, a couple days ago.
[01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:03.360]  The magistrate, he can't see.
[01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:05.360]  He can't see, if you can believe that.
[01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:07.360]  He can't hardly read because his eyes are so bad.
[01:42:07.360 --> 01:42:09.360]  He even says that.
[01:42:09.360 --> 01:42:12.360]  So that means if you have any information to present to him, he won't read it.
[01:42:12.360 --> 01:42:18.360]  And so he said to me, right off the bat, I'm not going to hear this case.
[01:42:18.360 --> 01:42:20.360]  I'm not going to let this case go.
[01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:22.360]  He goes, I'm dismissing it right now.
[01:42:22.360 --> 01:42:24.360]  Now, the guy that was bringing the court wasn't even there.
[01:42:24.360 --> 01:42:26.360]  So he was dismissing the case.
[01:42:26.360 --> 01:42:29.360]  And that's a whole other story.
[01:42:29.360 --> 01:42:33.360]  And then I said, well, what happened here?
[01:42:33.360 --> 01:42:34.360]  Why didn't the guy show up?
[01:42:34.360 --> 01:42:36.360]  I come to find out.
[01:42:36.360 --> 01:42:39.360]  I sent, when I put the guy's address down, I sent it to his work.
[01:42:39.360 --> 01:42:41.360]  It didn't get delivered to him.
[01:42:41.360 --> 01:42:44.360]  But they never told me it didn't get delivered to him.
[01:42:44.360 --> 01:42:47.360]  And so the guy didn't show up.
[01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:50.360]  But that's a whole other story.
[01:42:50.360 --> 01:42:53.360]  So anyway, he said he wasn't going to deal with it.
[01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:55.360]  He's not going to pursue it.
[01:42:55.360 --> 01:42:57.360]  The magistrate said, you know, case closed.
[01:42:57.360 --> 01:43:02.360]  So then in the time, you can appeal to a judge directly now.
[01:43:02.360 --> 01:43:04.360]  So I went right back downstairs.
[01:43:04.360 --> 01:43:06.360]  I filled out the application.
[01:43:06.360 --> 01:43:08.360]  And so now I'm taken to the judge.
[01:43:08.360 --> 01:43:14.360]  So I should be hearing from them soon when I'm going to go before a judge to take this kind of court.
[01:43:14.360 --> 01:43:15.360]  Okay.
[01:43:15.360 --> 01:43:16.360]  I have a question.
[01:43:16.360 --> 01:43:17.360]  Yeah.
[01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:21.360]  Did you file a judicial conduct complaint against the magistrate?
[01:43:21.360 --> 01:43:22.360]  Not yet.
[01:43:22.360 --> 01:43:24.360]  That is so much fun.
[01:43:24.360 --> 01:43:25.360]  Yes.
[01:43:25.360 --> 01:43:30.360]  Well, I'm mad because, see, I've been to court about five times in town.
[01:43:30.360 --> 01:43:31.360]  I take everybody to court.
[01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:33.360]  I've been attacked and everything.
[01:43:33.360 --> 01:43:35.360]  So I mean, that's why I do it.
[01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:36.360]  Okay.
[01:43:36.360 --> 01:43:37.360]  Hold on.
[01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:38.360]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:38.360 --> 01:43:41.360]  But if you're getting mad, you've got to fix that part.
[01:43:41.360 --> 01:43:42.360]  No, I'm not mad at all.
[01:43:42.360 --> 01:43:45.360]  It's more fun to kick their behinds.
[01:43:45.360 --> 01:43:49.360]  So it sounds like you're setting them up for a lot of fun.
[01:43:49.360 --> 01:43:52.360]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Brutal Law Radio.
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[01:46:21.360 --> 01:46:25.360]  Okay, this is Randy Kelford and Deborah Stevens and Craig, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:46:25.360 --> 01:46:31.360]  And Jim, I know I used up a lot of your time going over the strategy.
[01:46:31.360 --> 01:46:35.360]  And if you will call in tomorrow night,
[01:46:35.360 --> 01:46:39.360]  I would very much like to go over what's going on with Jurisdictionary in detail.
[01:46:39.360 --> 01:46:40.360]  Okay.
[01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:43.360]  Because it sounds like what you're doing is a lot of fun.
[01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:47.360]  Oh, you haven't heard the half of it. You haven't heard the half of it.
[01:46:47.360 --> 01:46:52.360]  We're going to – I've used up too much time and we're going to run out of time.
[01:46:52.360 --> 01:46:56.360]  But if you'll call in tomorrow, I would like to go over yours in detail
[01:46:56.360 --> 01:47:01.360]  because we don't have enough people who are willing to actually take these officials on.
[01:47:01.360 --> 01:47:05.360]  Right. Well, I'm willing, believe me. I'm doing it all the time.
[01:47:05.360 --> 01:47:14.360]  Good. And the part about it is, is when people start doing it, we get the same comments about it.
[01:47:14.360 --> 01:47:19.360]  They always say, this is fun.
[01:47:19.360 --> 01:47:20.360]  Right.
[01:47:20.360 --> 01:47:25.360]  And it really is once you realize how much power you have to affect the system.
[01:47:25.360 --> 01:47:27.360]  It is fun.
[01:47:27.360 --> 01:47:29.360]  Okay.
[01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:30.360]  Okay.
[01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:33.360]  We'll just have to date them where you're at.
[01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:35.360]  All right. So what time do you want me to call you?
[01:47:35.360 --> 01:47:37.360]  Just call in early tomorrow night.
[01:47:37.360 --> 01:47:40.360]  I don't have a guest scheduled. I don't think anybody else does.
[01:47:40.360 --> 01:47:44.360]  So tomorrow night's going to be just taking calls. So call in early.
[01:47:44.360 --> 01:47:46.360]  Okay. Right when you start. Right when you start.
[01:47:46.360 --> 01:47:48.360]  Yeah. I'll call in right when we start.
[01:47:48.360 --> 01:47:49.360]  Okay.
[01:47:49.360 --> 01:47:50.360]  Okay. Good.
[01:47:50.360 --> 01:47:52.360]  I'll talk to you then.
[01:47:52.360 --> 01:47:53.360]  Thank you.
[01:47:53.360 --> 01:47:54.360]  All right. Thank you now. See you tomorrow.
[01:47:54.360 --> 01:47:55.360]  Okay.
[01:47:55.360 --> 01:47:56.360]  Bye.
[01:47:56.360 --> 01:47:58.360]  Now we're going to go to Gary from Georgia.
[01:47:58.360 --> 01:48:03.360]  And Gary was going to speak to 18 U.S. Code 241-242.
[01:48:03.360 --> 01:48:07.360]  Most people have heard of the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:48:07.360 --> 01:48:15.360]  The most people who look into law think that the Ku Klux Klan Act is 42 U.S. Code 1983,
[01:48:15.360 --> 01:48:19.360]  the part of the code that allows you to sue a public official
[01:48:19.360 --> 01:48:23.360]  if he violates a law related to his office and denies you a right.
[01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:26.360]  But that's the second part of the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:48:26.360 --> 01:48:33.360]  The first part, 18 U.S. Code 241-242, which makes it a crime.
[01:48:33.360 --> 01:48:35.360]  Gary.
[01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:40.360]  Yes, sir. That's exactly what I was going to speak about,
[01:48:40.360 --> 01:48:51.360]  is conspiracy to violate a person's individual's right under the federal Constitution
[01:48:51.360 --> 01:48:56.360]  and that particular statute because it's a statutory right.
[01:48:56.360 --> 01:49:05.360]  And even in 42 U.S. Code 1985, it has some great cases of conspiracy codes.
[01:49:05.360 --> 01:49:11.360]  So what I wanted to say there is people need to read it
[01:49:11.360 --> 01:49:19.360]  and understand when they act under color of law, they need to be pretense of law.
[01:49:19.360 --> 01:49:26.360]  One of the things I think would go right with that is theft of honest services.
[01:49:26.360 --> 01:49:35.360]  And that's 18 U.S. Code 1346 in conjunction with conspiracy of 18 U.S. Code 1341, the mail fraud.
[01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:41.360]  And then we throw him there where the public official is sworn in the oath,
[01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:48.360]  he may make false statements under the federal Constitution if it's related
[01:49:48.360 --> 01:49:56.360]  and he's dealing in the mails in commerce, then it would be 18 U.S. Code 1001.
[01:49:56.360 --> 01:49:59.360]  I call it the Martha Stewart lying law.
[01:49:59.360 --> 01:50:01.360]  Poor lady, she didn't know about it.
[01:50:01.360 --> 01:50:05.360]  It was her accountants and so forth that got her convicted.
[01:50:05.360 --> 01:50:13.360]  But anyway, that will bring to light, most people know who Martha Stewart was, a cookie lady,
[01:50:13.360 --> 01:50:17.360]  and they got her for making false statements.
[01:50:17.360 --> 01:50:25.360]  So what we're looking for on a local level, which that particular stat story right,
[01:50:25.360 --> 01:50:32.360]  is when anyone, a person acts under color of law and he got,
[01:50:32.360 --> 01:50:39.360]  I like what you used with the issue of official misconduct.
[01:50:39.360 --> 01:50:52.360]  You mentioned that there's a colliery of, in about every state except New Mexico, of 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:50:52.360 --> 01:51:11.360]  And so as far as my knowledge of Georgia, it would be OCGN 17-4 where you report a criminal act to an official.
[01:51:11.360 --> 01:51:18.360]  And one of the good things we have in our state is when you make an open record check request
[01:51:18.360 --> 01:51:20.360]  that they don't give it to you in three days.
[01:51:20.360 --> 01:51:23.360]  So there's some qualifications, not totally absolute.
[01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:30.360]  But if they don't give you the information, we will inspect it or whatever they have,
[01:51:30.360 --> 01:51:35.360]  then it's a misdemeanor where you get up to six months.
[01:51:35.360 --> 01:51:46.360]  So about enforcing things, if you do have your complaint issue described on this program,
[01:51:46.360 --> 01:51:54.360]  I certainly would like or put it in your frog farm and I will use it for other people.
[01:51:54.360 --> 01:51:57.360]  And we start doing exactly what you said.
[01:51:57.360 --> 01:52:03.360]  And the next thing people need to do, which I've heard you say, is get them on the bond.
[01:52:03.360 --> 01:52:09.360]  And I do have Lexus and Maxus, so you go to look at the company profiles of these,
[01:52:09.360 --> 01:52:17.360]  let's say, superior courts in my county, and also I'm in Muscogee County, Georgia.
[01:52:17.360 --> 01:52:22.360]  So the correctional institution says it's run by private individuals.
[01:52:22.360 --> 01:52:29.360]  So that's where everything's been securitized, commercialized, and I can't back it up
[01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:37.360]  because I challenge anyone to take their greenie and go try redeem it for at least silver.
[01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:40.360]  And I could when I'm 71 years old.
[01:52:40.360 --> 01:52:43.360]  So when I was a kid, that's what you could do.
[01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:46.360]  But right now, there is no money.
[01:52:46.360 --> 01:52:52.360]  And I carry around a five million atheist Peruvian note,
[01:52:52.360 --> 01:52:55.360]  and I kid people saying I'm a millionaire.
[01:52:55.360 --> 01:52:57.360]  No, I got nothing.
[01:52:57.360 --> 01:53:02.360]  And in Bolivia, they used to weigh the paper and inflation cuts a bit.
[01:53:02.360 --> 01:53:07.360]  But I would advise everyone, get them a Zimbabwe dollar
[01:53:07.360 --> 01:53:15.360]  before they started using hard currency like such as U.S. dollar,
[01:53:15.360 --> 01:53:19.360]  English pound, South African rand.
[01:53:19.360 --> 01:53:20.360]  Okay, wait a minute, Garrett.
[01:53:20.360 --> 01:53:21.360]  Yes, sir.
[01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:24.360]  You're kind of moving from one topic to another.
[01:53:24.360 --> 01:53:25.360]  I agree.
[01:53:25.360 --> 01:53:26.360]  I apologize.
[01:53:26.360 --> 01:53:27.360]  Absolutely.
[01:53:27.360 --> 01:53:30.360]  Okay, let me qualify that.
[01:53:30.360 --> 01:53:33.360]  Gary is a legal researcher like I am.
[01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:37.360]  And we have a lot of information.
[01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:43.360]  And it's hard sometimes to give you only a small piece of information
[01:53:43.360 --> 01:53:47.360]  when we recognize there is a lot bigger picture.
[01:53:47.360 --> 01:53:51.360]  And when you understand how all of these pieces fit together,
[01:53:51.360 --> 01:53:53.360]  it becomes much more powerful.
[01:53:53.360 --> 01:54:00.360]  But let's go back to 18 U.S. Code 241, 242,
[01:54:00.360 --> 01:54:08.360]  and how we can use that to beat the crapola out of public officials.
[01:54:08.360 --> 01:54:12.360]  And I certainly agree with that.
[01:54:12.360 --> 01:54:19.360]  And that particular issue goes to public officials, too.
[01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:27.360]  While the civil side will go mostly to it has to be a state act or a policy.
[01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:34.360]  And I will use the case of Owens versus Independence of Missouri
[01:54:34.360 --> 01:54:38.360]  that cities and counties have no immunity.
[01:54:38.360 --> 01:54:40.360]  So that's good.
[01:54:40.360 --> 01:54:42.360]  Wait, wait, say that again.
[01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:47.360]  Owens versus Independence, Independence of Missouri.
[01:54:47.360 --> 01:54:48.360]  It says what?
[01:54:48.360 --> 01:54:57.360]  That the 1983 statute says every person who violates a right,
[01:54:57.360 --> 01:55:03.360]  and they have included that a county is a person.
[01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:06.360]  And it has no individual rights.
[01:55:06.360 --> 01:55:09.360]  If you like the case law, I'll certainly send it to you, sir,
[01:55:09.360 --> 01:55:13.360]  plus just tons of others in the team.
[01:55:13.360 --> 01:55:19.360]  Okay, well, there's a lot of other case law that states that the state itself
[01:55:19.360 --> 01:55:27.360]  is a sovereign and the subdivisions of the state are equally sovereign.
[01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:33.360]  And there are only certain areas, certain things under which the sovereign
[01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:35.360]  weighs its sovereign immunity.
[01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:39.360]  One of them is exercising authority they don't expressly have.
[01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:42.360]  They're outside their subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:55:42.360 --> 01:55:48.360]  Another, and one of my favorites, is if they commit a tort against a citizen
[01:55:48.360 --> 01:55:54.360]  while operating a piece of machinery owned by the governmental entity.
[01:55:54.360 --> 01:55:59.360]  And I maintain that when a police officer makes a false arrest
[01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:07.360]  and then he places you into a motorized piece of equipment owned by the county,
[01:56:07.360 --> 01:56:14.360]  transports you not to the magistrate but straight to jail,
[01:56:14.360 --> 01:56:18.360]  that he could not have done that had he not had that piece of motorized equipment
[01:56:18.360 --> 01:56:24.360]  available to him, and therefore he falls under that exclusion.
[01:56:24.360 --> 01:56:33.360]  And also there's conspiracy between he and the jailer by losing your liberty.
[01:56:33.360 --> 01:56:38.360]  Exactly, culpability. Culpability does not go to
[01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:42.360]  whether or not you intended to commit a crime.
[01:56:42.360 --> 01:56:49.360]  Culpability goes to whether or not you intended the outcome of your action.
[01:56:49.360 --> 01:56:55.360]  If the outcome of that action was in itself a crime, even if you didn't know it,
[01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:58.360]  sorry, Bubba, life is tough.
[01:56:58.360 --> 01:57:05.360]  If you drove away from the convenience store not knowing that your friend had just robbed it,
[01:57:05.360 --> 01:57:07.360]  you got a problem.
[01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:11.360]  Yes, sir, anything anybody. Absolutely.
[01:57:11.360 --> 01:57:16.360]  Now, you have an affirmative defense if you had no knowledge that there had been a crime,
[01:57:16.360 --> 01:57:20.360]  but it's not a bar to prosecution.
[01:57:20.360 --> 01:57:23.360]  You may beat the time, but you won't beat the rod.
[01:57:23.360 --> 01:57:30.360]  And in the same way with public officials, public officials are bound more tightly than you and I.
[01:57:30.360 --> 01:57:36.360]  A public official may only do what the law specifically allows him to do.
[01:57:36.360 --> 01:57:39.360]  You and I, on the other hand, we can do anything we want to
[01:57:39.360 --> 01:57:43.360]  unless the law specifically forbids us from it.
[01:57:43.360 --> 01:57:45.360]  That is such an important consideration.
[01:57:45.360 --> 01:57:48.360]  Gary, I'm sorry, we are running completely out of time.
[01:57:48.360 --> 01:57:50.360]  Okay, we're going to turn.
[01:57:50.360 --> 01:57:54.360]  Let me go to Jay. We've got about one minute left.
[01:57:54.360 --> 01:57:55.360]  Thank you very much.
[01:57:55.360 --> 01:57:57.360]  Thank you, Gary. Good night.
[01:57:57.360 --> 01:57:58.360]  Good night.
[01:57:58.360 --> 01:58:01.360]  Okay.
[01:58:01.360 --> 01:58:02.360]  Oh, I'm sorry, Jay.
[01:58:02.360 --> 01:58:05.360]  Yeah, we don't have any time left.
[01:58:05.360 --> 01:58:07.360]  Preston, thank you so much for coming on tonight.
[01:58:07.360 --> 01:58:10.360]  Do you have any closing thoughts for us?
[01:58:10.360 --> 01:58:13.360]  No, just thank you for having me on the show.
[01:58:13.360 --> 01:58:16.360]  I really enjoyed it and hopefully we can talk again some time.
[01:58:16.360 --> 01:58:18.360]  Give us your website again.
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[01:58:49.360 --> 01:58:51.360]  I did that on purpose that time.
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