[00:00.000 --> 00:04.320]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[00:04.320 --> 00:08.980]  Four prisoners with ties to al-Qaeda escaped Wednesday from the U.S. controlled section
[00:08.980 --> 00:11.080]  of Baghdad's Qaq prison.
[00:11.080 --> 00:16.200]  The jail, formerly known as Camp Cropper, was turned over to Iraqi authorities in July,
[00:16.200 --> 00:21.720]  but U.S. forces retained custody of about 200 inmates.
[00:21.720 --> 00:27.780]  In Afghanistan, one man was killed after crowds attacked a NATO base to protest Florida pastor
[00:27.780 --> 00:33.040]  Terry Jones' plan to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of 9-11.
[00:33.040 --> 00:38.720]  A protester was shot when troops inside the base opened fire.
[00:38.720 --> 00:43.320]  Forty-five Colombian police, soldiers and guerrilla fighters have been killed over the
[00:43.320 --> 00:45.720]  past week in rebel attacks.
[00:45.720 --> 00:51.920]  President Juan Manuel Santos took office last month promising to keep up pressure on insurgents.
[00:51.920 --> 00:58.480]  The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, has staged several attacks this month.
[00:58.480 --> 01:03.600]  A human rights watchdog said Thursday Afghanistan's parliamentary elections are being threatened
[01:03.600 --> 01:09.480]  by Taliban violence and intimidation as the government fails to protect candidates, especially
[01:09.480 --> 01:10.480]  women.
[01:10.480 --> 01:16.920]  Afghans are set to vote in the country's second parliamentary polls September 18 when 25 candidates
[01:16.920 --> 01:21.200]  will contest 249 seats in the lower house of parliament.
[01:21.200 --> 01:25.600]  The Taliban have said anyone associated with the poll is a target and have so far been
[01:25.600 --> 01:28.480]  blamed for killing at least three candidates.
[01:28.480 --> 01:32.800]  Many others working on the elections have been attacked and kidnapped, with women candidates
[01:32.800 --> 01:35.280]  said to be the most vulnerable.
[01:35.280 --> 01:40.520]  Taliban threats and the deteriorating security situation are a repeat of last year's presidential
[01:40.520 --> 01:43.880]  election which was marred by extensive fraud.
[01:43.880 --> 01:48.520]  The Taliban killed and injured hundreds of people in last year's election, declaring
[01:48.520 --> 01:53.000]  the poll a tool of foreign occupiers.
[01:53.000 --> 01:58.520]  Former US Senator Mike Gravel and Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9-11
[01:58.520 --> 02:03.840]  Truth, presented hard evidence Thursday that all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on
[02:03.840 --> 02:07.520]  9-11 were destroyed by controlled demolition.
[02:07.520 --> 02:12.020]  Senator Gravel said, critically important evidence has come forward after the original
[02:12.020 --> 02:14.760]  government building reports were completed.
[02:14.760 --> 02:18.120]  Gage said the government refuses to debate us in person.
[02:18.120 --> 02:22.480]  Gage said his organization's findings are based on forensic evidence as well as video
[02:22.480 --> 02:26.520]  and eyewitness testimony omitted from official reports.
[02:26.520 --> 02:31.720]  Gage said the twin towers were not destroyed by jet plane impacts or fires, but by pre-set
[02:31.720 --> 02:34.600]  explosives and incendiaries.
[02:34.600 --> 02:39.680]  Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth also called for a grand jury investigation of government
[02:39.680 --> 02:45.560]  report engineers Shyam Sunder and John Gross of the National Institute of Standards and
[02:45.560 --> 02:52.560]  Technology adding, they were in a position to know the evidence we have been presenting.
[03:45.560 --> 04:12.560]  People jumping out the windows, over there jumping out the windows I guess because they're
[04:12.560 --> 04:19.560]  trying to see themselves.
[04:19.560 --> 04:24.560]  To this point we have not had a real 9-11 investigation.
[04:24.560 --> 04:30.560]  It was a big explosion, everything got dark, real dark like snow.
[04:30.560 --> 04:39.560]  All the way down.
[04:39.560 --> 04:55.560]  This material that I'm going to go over is based on fact, based on what we know.
[04:55.560 --> 05:03.560]  First let the technical truths emerge, then if necessary cope with the inevitable conspiracy
[05:03.560 --> 05:04.560]  and other questions.
[05:04.560 --> 05:11.560]  Whether he chooses or not, every man is drawn into the great historical struggle.
[05:11.560 --> 05:39.560]  This is the decisive battle into which our epoch has plunged us.
[05:39.560 --> 05:44.560]  All right, welcome to the Rule of Law.
[05:44.560 --> 05:52.560]  Tonight is September 10, 2010.
[05:52.560 --> 05:59.560]  Tonight we are doing a special edition for the 9th anniversary of 9-11.
[05:59.560 --> 06:05.560]  We have our very special friend, very special guest tonight Mr. Derek Johnson.
[06:05.560 --> 06:08.560]  He is a foundry expert.
[06:08.560 --> 06:18.560]  He is a certified welding inspector and he is going to be discussing with us some recent
[06:18.560 --> 06:21.560]  FOIA documents from NIST.
[06:21.560 --> 06:28.560]  I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Derek Johnson this past spring at the Architects and Engineers
[06:28.560 --> 06:34.560]  for 9-11 Truth press conference held here in Austin where he shredded the NIST report.
[06:34.560 --> 06:42.560]  Folks, if you would go to ruleoflawradio.com, you'll see a nine-second video direct from
[06:42.560 --> 06:43.560]  NIST.
[06:43.560 --> 06:50.560]  This is NIST's explanation concerning the collapse, concerning the initiation of the
[06:50.560 --> 06:51.560]  collapse.
[06:51.560 --> 06:55.560]  You'll see these beams like spinning and dangling in midair.
[06:55.560 --> 06:57.560]  This is NIST's explanation.
[06:57.560 --> 07:02.560]  This is our government explanation concerning what happened with Building 7.
[07:02.560 --> 07:05.560]  We're going to talk about the NIST report.
[07:05.560 --> 07:08.560]  We're going to talk about these FOIA documents.
[07:08.560 --> 07:15.560]  We're going to talk about the pools of molten metal underneath all three buildings, World
[07:15.560 --> 07:21.560]  Trade Center 1, 2, and 7, the fact that it was not a fire.
[07:21.560 --> 07:24.560]  These were anaerobic chemical reactions.
[07:24.560 --> 07:30.560]  They were not aerobic combustions, thousands of degrees.
[07:30.560 --> 07:36.560]  It was reported in a book called Nine Months at Ground Zero.
[07:36.560 --> 07:44.560]  The workers there reported that they had to coordinate with the Army Corps of Engineers.
[07:44.560 --> 07:45.560]  Hold just a second.
[07:45.560 --> 07:46.560]  Wait a minute.
[07:46.560 --> 07:47.560]  Wait a minute.
[07:47.560 --> 07:48.560]  Let me finish.
[07:48.560 --> 07:54.560]  They had to coordinate with the Army Corps of Engineers for live infrared satellite
[07:54.560 --> 08:01.560]  data so that they would not fall into the pools of molten metal.
[08:01.560 --> 08:06.560]  Some of the hot spots were over 2,400 degrees.
[08:06.560 --> 08:08.560]  This is reported.
[08:08.560 --> 08:09.560]  This is a fact.
[08:09.560 --> 08:10.560]  This is a book that's written.
[08:10.560 --> 08:15.560]  Our guest tonight, Mr. Derrick Johnson, is a foundry expert.
[08:15.560 --> 08:20.560]  We want to get into this a little bit later because this is obviously a foundry to the
[08:20.560 --> 08:32.560]  max, and we want to get into the engineering anomalies concerning the NIST report.
[08:32.560 --> 08:37.560]  Before you move much past this, one little piece of information a lot of people might
[08:37.560 --> 08:43.560]  have not picked up on there, aerobic and anaerobic.
[08:43.560 --> 08:50.560]  Derrick, will you explain that real quick so it's real clear why that's such an anomaly?
[08:50.560 --> 08:51.560]  Yeah.
[08:51.560 --> 08:54.560]  We plan on getting into that a little bit later.
[08:54.560 --> 09:01.560]  Just briefly, the aerobic reactions require oxygen, like a burning, like a flame.
[09:01.560 --> 09:04.560]  Anaerobic is a chemical reaction.
[09:04.560 --> 09:13.560]  Obviously, there was enough elements to fuel this chemical reaction that it lasted for
[09:13.560 --> 09:17.560]  months and months and months for thousands of degrees.
[09:17.560 --> 09:19.560]  That's the difference between aerobic and anaerobic.
[09:19.560 --> 09:21.560]  That means it wasn't burning in the air.
[09:21.560 --> 09:23.560]  It wasn't your normal.
[09:23.560 --> 09:26.560]  Aerobic means that it requires oxygen.
[09:26.560 --> 09:29.560]  Anaerobic means it does not require oxygen.
[09:29.560 --> 09:37.560]  It's a chemical reaction where the electron shells are literally merging.
[09:37.560 --> 09:43.560]  I wanted to read a little bit about Mr. Derrick Johnson's credentials here.
[09:43.560 --> 09:49.560]  He has a BS in mechanical engineering from the University of Texas at Austin.
[09:49.560 --> 09:56.560]  From 2009 to 2010, he was the president of the Texas Society of Professional Engineers,
[09:56.560 --> 10:00.560]  American Welding Society Certified Welding Inspector.
[10:00.560 --> 10:13.560]  He's also a candidate for 2010, Texas State Representative for District 57 under the Libertarian Ticket.
[10:13.560 --> 10:16.560]  Derrick Johnson, thank you and welcome to the show.
[10:16.560 --> 10:17.560]  Thanks a lot, Deborah.
[10:17.560 --> 10:20.560]  It's good to be with you.
[10:20.560 --> 10:24.560]  Derrick, if you would please, would you just give us a brief overview of your background
[10:24.560 --> 10:32.560]  and how you got into this, especially concerning your spirituality and your turning point.
[10:32.560 --> 10:37.560]  What is driving you to do this?
[10:37.560 --> 10:42.560]  I guess with most people it goes to their upbringing.
[10:42.560 --> 10:46.560]  I was raised with pretty strict people.
[10:46.560 --> 10:55.560]  Two of the big influences on me early on were Sister Ann and Sister Deborah at the Catholic school I attended in Iowa.
[10:55.560 --> 11:00.560]  They always expected me to do the right thing and they beat that into my head.
[11:00.560 --> 11:04.560]  They were tough, but with them and the good influences around me,
[11:04.560 --> 11:10.560]  although I rebelled from Christianity in my 20s and rebelled in a big way, which I'm ashamed of,
[11:10.560 --> 11:18.560]  I came back to the cross and acknowledged Christ as my Savior and I'm an eager person to witness for Christ whenever I can.
[11:18.560 --> 11:21.560]  Part of that is speaking the truth.
[11:21.560 --> 11:27.560]  If I'm in error, but not intentionally in error, that's forgivable.
[11:27.560 --> 11:34.560]  If I know there's more that's going on to 9-11 and if I can prove it using the laws of Newton,
[11:34.560 --> 11:42.560]  which I believe Newton is a great physicist, but in a sense he's a spokesman for God himself
[11:42.560 --> 11:49.560]  because he elucidated a lot of laws that previously we didn't really know how to technically write down
[11:49.560 --> 11:56.560]  and study and evaluate and use to predict behaviors of materials and objects and so on and so forth.
[11:56.560 --> 12:02.560]  Through everything, I believe that this is God's world and we're here for a very short amount of time.
[12:02.560 --> 12:09.560]  While we're here, we're entrusted with our talents and we're supposed to use our talents to reference Jesus' parable
[12:09.560 --> 12:11.560]  to serve other people.
[12:11.560 --> 12:13.560]  We're supposed to love God and serve other people.
[12:13.560 --> 12:18.560]  I would be doing other engineers and the public a big disservice by telling them,
[12:18.560 --> 12:20.560]  well, those buildings could have fallen.
[12:20.560 --> 12:25.560]  Yeah, it's possible, but the problem is with the investigations that have been done up until now,
[12:25.560 --> 12:31.560]  there has been no scientific investigation to prove how those buildings have fallen,
[12:31.560 --> 12:37.560]  nor has there been a root cause, especially when it comes to Building 7,
[12:37.560 --> 12:41.560]  that is clear and easy to understand and scientifically provable.
[12:41.560 --> 12:48.560]  So a goal of mine tonight with y'all on your radio show is to show you how this root cause that NIST is claiming
[12:48.560 --> 12:54.560]  is unscientific, unviable, not possible, unprecedented,
[12:54.560 --> 13:02.560]  and we can prove that that can't be done using the technology that we have available.
[13:02.560 --> 13:04.560]  Absolutely.
[13:04.560 --> 13:09.560]  Now, Derek, you've been working with a colleague of yours, Mr. Ron Brookman,
[13:09.560 --> 13:21.560]  and he is at the heart of all the FOIA documents, hammering NIST, FOIAing evidence, reports, models, et cetera.
[13:21.560 --> 13:28.560]  So can you bring us up to speed here concerning what does NIST have to say about all of this
[13:28.560 --> 13:35.560]  and what you guys have found that is new since this past spring
[13:35.560 --> 13:42.560]  and also review some of the work that you presented this past spring?
[13:42.560 --> 13:48.560]  Well, NIST has been telling us, no, you may not see what we don't want to disclose,
[13:48.560 --> 13:53.560]  but slowly we have been getting the documents to come out one by one.
[13:53.560 --> 13:58.560]  We haven't gotten the big prize yet, and the big prize was the contract documents,
[13:58.560 --> 14:06.560]  or maybe outside of construction people will refer to them as the blueprints for World Trade Center 7,
[14:06.560 --> 14:12.560]  the building that did not get hit by a plane, yet fell at freefall acceleration for two and a quarter seconds.
[14:12.560 --> 14:21.560]  That will allow us to properly model the building using its truest geometry known from the details of the plans,
[14:21.560 --> 14:27.560]  the project specifications, all the reports, the construction requests for information,
[14:27.560 --> 14:32.560]  the meeting minutes, the welding reports, the testing reports, the architects field reports,
[14:32.560 --> 14:38.560]  the engineering field reports, all of that information is needed to do a proper third-party investigation,
[14:38.560 --> 14:44.560]  which obviously I advocate for, and if we can get those out of the forbidden vault,
[14:44.560 --> 14:49.560]  then the real investigation finally will begin.
[14:49.560 --> 14:53.560]  But what has come out you have downloaded and you referred to earlier,
[14:53.560 --> 15:02.560]  and that is some of their backup for their 2008 NCSTAR 1A, that is their bottom line with World Trade Center 7.
[15:02.560 --> 15:11.560]  And this spring in Austin, Ron Avery, the architect that has the Silver Eagle Tap House Saloon,
[15:11.560 --> 15:16.560]  was kind enough to invite me and let me speak for a little while, and I brought up some points,
[15:16.560 --> 15:23.560]  and we can go over those tonight, and also I've got some more specific things regarding what NIST has released through FOIA,
[15:23.560 --> 15:31.560]  what NIST is blocking through FOIA, their excuses for blocking the FOIA, and we'll take those apart one by one.
[15:31.560 --> 15:33.560]  Well, that sounds excellent.
[15:33.560 --> 15:38.560]  Just looking at this video here, we're about to go to break in about 60 seconds,
[15:38.560 --> 15:47.560]  but just to look at this video that I've posted, and this is a FOIA file, an AVI file, FOIA from NIST.
[15:47.560 --> 15:57.560]  You can see the NIST logo, Department of Commerce, I might add, on the lower right-hand corner of the video.
[15:57.560 --> 16:04.560]  And you can see, this is NIST's explanation of the initiation of the collapse.
[16:04.560 --> 16:14.560]  And you'll see the building, the beams, certain beams falling through the floors with no resistance whatsoever.
[16:14.560 --> 16:22.560]  And then you'll see other beams are like floating and spinning in midair, and some of them are like dangling off to the side,
[16:22.560 --> 16:27.560]  just like hanging there for several seconds off to the side of the building.
[16:27.560 --> 16:36.560]  So, you know, Derek, you and I were looking at each other across the table that night discussing this chemical reaction
[16:36.560 --> 16:44.560]  and how it's an anaerobic chemical reaction and these dangling beams, and we were saying to each other,
[16:44.560 --> 16:55.560]  so what's up with that? And so when we get back on the other side, we're going to talk more about the answer to the question,
[16:55.560 --> 16:59.560]  what is up with that? We'll be right back.
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[18:46.560 --> 18:58.560]  Okay, we are back with Derek Johnson, Foundry Experts Engineer, Certified Welding Inspector.
[18:58.560 --> 19:11.560]  And Derek, so please tell us some of your objections to the investigation into Building 7 and get into the missed report and just what is wrong with it.
[19:11.560 --> 19:22.560]  Well, I guess first and foremost when a building falls with no resistance and from the roof line dropping from 1.75 seconds up to 4 seconds,
[19:22.560 --> 19:30.560]  the difference being 2.25 seconds, a building that weighs almost a half a billion pounds with 28,000,
[19:30.560 --> 19:46.560]  over 28,000 tons of structural steel offered no resistance through that 2.25 second interval, and to offer no resistance means that the dissipation of the columns didn't exist.
[19:46.560 --> 19:47.560]  It wasn't there.
[19:47.560 --> 19:55.560]  There was a complete transformation from potential energy all the way to kinetic energy just like that with no resistance.
[19:55.560 --> 20:00.560]  Now, there is such a thing as friction, and friction is known in different ways.
[20:00.560 --> 20:03.560]  One way that we commonly know friction is to rub your hands together.
[20:03.560 --> 20:04.560]  They get warm.
[20:04.560 --> 20:08.560]  They get warm because of friction or fluid flowing through a pipe.
[20:08.560 --> 20:10.560]  It drags on the walls because of friction.
[20:10.560 --> 20:18.560]  Well, if you compress an object, steel, it work hardens, and internally there's friction too from atomic dislocation.
[20:18.560 --> 20:23.560]  The atoms tend to squeeze together more tightly, and that heats up the material.
[20:23.560 --> 20:26.560]  It puts internal energy into the steel.
[20:26.560 --> 20:36.560]  In the theory of buckling, when something buckles, it dissipates lots of energy through the strain hardening medium.
[20:36.560 --> 20:39.560]  If you are familiar, and most people aren't, with the stress-strain curve.
[20:39.560 --> 20:43.560]  The stress is the force, and the strain is the stretch.
[20:43.560 --> 20:49.560]  Going up with more stress and more strain causes the metal to heat up.
[20:49.560 --> 20:54.560]  As it does that, it gets stronger and stronger and stronger until it begins to neck.
[20:54.560 --> 20:59.560]  Then the voids open up within the steel, and eventually it breaks.
[20:59.560 --> 21:05.560]  Getting it to that breaking point, for these columns in World Trade Center 7,
[21:05.560 --> 21:11.560]  for the interior columns, their critical buckling load was over 10 million pounds.
[21:11.560 --> 21:15.560]  In the exterior columns, the buckling load was over 7 million pounds,
[21:15.560 --> 21:19.560]  which is tremendously redundant if you look at the gravity load
[21:19.560 --> 21:24.560]  that those columns were anticipated to carry from the eighth floor up where it buckled.
[21:24.560 --> 21:31.560]  The gravity loads were, in many cases, a million pounds give or take on the exterior perimeter.
[21:31.560 --> 21:35.560]  If the column will not buckle until 7 million pounds,
[21:35.560 --> 21:41.560]  and the loads that are given by NIST are 1 million pounds, you have seven times redundancy.
[21:41.560 --> 21:47.560]  How in the world would all those columns buckle in the first place?
[21:47.560 --> 21:52.560]  If they did buckle, how could they offer no resistance to strain hardening in the second place?
[21:52.560 --> 21:56.560]  That has not, nine years later, been properly explained yet.
[21:56.560 --> 21:59.560]  The only thing an engineer, no matter what his discipline,
[21:59.560 --> 22:03.560]  is supposed to do ethically is protect the public safety.
[22:03.560 --> 22:05.560]  We are to protect the public safety.
[22:05.560 --> 22:10.560]  Without knowing what the root cause of World Trade Center 7's collapse was,
[22:10.560 --> 22:14.560]  we don't know what to learn from that and how not to repeat that mistake
[22:14.560 --> 22:18.560]  if it was, in fact, a design mistake going here forward.
[22:18.560 --> 22:23.560]  And that is doing Americans and everyone else worldwide a tremendous disservice.
[22:23.560 --> 22:28.560]  This building should be studied at every university with a great amount of veracity
[22:28.560 --> 22:34.560]  until it's clear and lucid what exactly went wrong on 9-11 at 5-20 in the afternoon
[22:34.560 --> 22:37.560]  when that half a billion pound building fell.
[22:37.560 --> 22:41.560]  And during that collapse, it fell with no upper resistance, no reaction,
[22:41.560 --> 22:46.560]  no reaction to the downward forces from that dropping steel and the concrete
[22:46.560 --> 22:51.560]  and all of that path of tremendous resistance that offered no resistance.
[22:51.560 --> 22:56.560]  So that tells me only one thing, that the columns somehow had to be manipulated.
[22:56.560 --> 23:00.560]  I don't know exactly how, but you're alluding to it with the thermite
[23:00.560 --> 23:03.560]  because the ground was so hot for so long afterwards,
[23:03.560 --> 23:08.560]  you can't help but to put those two pieces together.
[23:08.560 --> 23:10.560]  Absolutely.
[23:10.560 --> 23:16.560]  So what are some of the anomalies in the NIST reports that you have found?
[23:16.560 --> 23:20.560]  I mean, are they just basically hiding information or not releasing information,
[23:20.560 --> 23:24.560]  or are they releasing information that just doesn't make sense
[23:24.560 --> 23:29.560]  from a physics point of view or all of the above, or what's going on?
[23:29.560 --> 23:32.560]  Well, a lot of that is true, a lot of what you mentioned.
[23:32.560 --> 23:38.560]  First of all, I guess it needs to be clarified that no WTC7, Building 7,
[23:38.560 --> 23:41.560]  steel was retained.
[23:41.560 --> 23:47.560]  Only steel that we know of that could have possibly been from World Trade Center 7
[23:47.560 --> 23:51.560]  was in the first 2002 FEMA report,
[23:51.560 --> 23:56.560]  and that FEMA report references that steel that was in Appendix C.
[23:56.560 --> 24:01.560]  However, they kind of talk out of both sides of their mouth the way they frame it,
[24:01.560 --> 24:05.560]  whether that was really WTC7 steel or not,
[24:05.560 --> 24:07.560]  because in another NIST report,
[24:07.560 --> 24:09.560]  and I'll pull you up the exact one in just a minute
[24:09.560 --> 24:12.560]  because I don't want to be wrong about that.
[24:12.560 --> 24:16.560]  In another NIST report, they say that no WTC7 steel was tested.
[24:16.560 --> 24:19.560]  Well, if you're not going to test any physical steel,
[24:19.560 --> 24:24.560]  first of all, you don't have a chance to do a traditional investigation.
[24:24.560 --> 24:29.560]  Any time you do a forensic analysis, you have to test the actual evidence.
[24:29.560 --> 24:31.560]  You have to prepare the samples,
[24:31.560 --> 24:36.560]  look at it under a microscope or a scanning electron microscope or whatever,
[24:36.560 --> 24:40.560]  and see if there was any anomalies from the steel from the fabricator
[24:40.560 --> 24:42.560]  or back before the fabricator from the mill
[24:42.560 --> 24:45.560]  to see if it was properly executed from the foundry,
[24:45.560 --> 24:48.560]  to see if there was any fundamental flaws in the steel.
[24:48.560 --> 24:53.560]  Yet we have Mayor Bloomberg telling the media that they didn't need to test the steel.
[24:53.560 --> 24:56.560]  In this day and age, computer simulations were good enough,
[24:56.560 --> 25:00.560]  and that is such an enormous fraud.
[25:00.560 --> 25:02.560]  You always have to test the physical evidence,
[25:02.560 --> 25:10.560]  but unfortunately with WTC7, all of the steel was hustled to the port really, really fast,
[25:10.560 --> 25:13.560]  and I had a friend that I worked on in projects, a welder,
[25:13.560 --> 25:18.560]  that was one of those drivers that took that steel from ground zero to the port,
[25:18.560 --> 25:23.560]  and he didn't see any molten steel to my chagrin, unfortunately,
[25:23.560 --> 25:27.560]  but he heard lots of talk about it, which gives me another piece of evidence
[25:27.560 --> 25:32.560]  that there was molten steel at ground zero, which was highly guarded.
[25:32.560 --> 25:35.560]  No cameras, no recordable anything was allowed on site,
[25:35.560 --> 25:38.560]  and few people really had access to ground zero.
[25:38.560 --> 25:45.560]  There was highly sensitive garbage that got recycled to buy steel in China pronto.
[25:45.560 --> 25:54.560]  Only 246 pieces out of the two towers that were a billion pounds each was retained.
[25:54.560 --> 26:01.560]  So my fundamental objection is why did they destroy all of the steel for WTC7?
[26:01.560 --> 26:03.560]  That doesn't make any sense to me.
[26:03.560 --> 26:06.560]  You always have to test the evidence.
[26:06.560 --> 26:12.560]  Yeah, well, obviously they were trying to destroy the evidence,
[26:12.560 --> 26:19.560]  and I'm going to read here a little bit from a report from an engineering firm
[26:19.560 --> 26:21.560]  that designed the Twin Towers.
[26:21.560 --> 26:24.560]  Leslie Robertson, a member of the engineering firm that designed the Twin Towers,
[26:24.560 --> 26:28.560]  said, as of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning
[26:28.560 --> 26:31.560]  and molten steel was running.
[26:31.560 --> 26:37.560]  Knight-Ridder journalist Jennifer Lin discussing Joe Tooley O'Toole,
[26:37.560 --> 26:41.560]  a Bronx firefighter who worked for many months on the rescue and cleanup efforts,
[26:41.560 --> 26:44.560]  wrote, underground fires raged for months.
[26:44.560 --> 26:45.560]  I'm going to break your seat.
[26:45.560 --> 26:46.560]  They thought it was fires.
[26:46.560 --> 26:50.560]  They didn't realize that it was an anaerobic chemical reaction.
[26:50.560 --> 26:53.560]  But at any rate, O'Toole remembers in February,
[26:53.560 --> 26:58.560]  seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs.
[26:58.560 --> 27:02.560]  It was dripping from the molten steel, he said.
[27:02.560 --> 27:06.560]  Greg Fushek, vice president of sales for LynxPoint Inc.,
[27:06.560 --> 27:11.560]  supplied some of the computer equipment used to identify human remains,
[27:11.560 --> 27:15.560]  described the working conditions as hellish, partly because for six months
[27:15.560 --> 27:22.560]  the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1500 degrees or higher.
[27:22.560 --> 27:27.560]  Fushek added that sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the records,
[27:27.560 --> 27:31.560]  the end of the beam would be dripping of molten steel.
[27:31.560 --> 27:37.560]  And this happened at all three sites, one, two, and seven.
[27:37.560 --> 27:42.560]  And I'll just note here that this 1500 degrees Fahrenheit or higher,
[27:42.560 --> 27:45.560]  that is an understatement.
[27:45.560 --> 27:48.560]  In the book, Nine Months at Ground Zero,
[27:48.560 --> 27:53.560]  the workers described how they were coordinating on a moment-by-moment basis
[27:53.560 --> 28:01.560]  with the Army Corps of Engineers, getting real-time live infrared satellite feed data
[28:01.560 --> 28:05.560]  from the government identifying where the hottest spots were,
[28:05.560 --> 28:12.560]  and they were identifying the spots, some in excess of 2400 degrees Fahrenheit.
[28:12.560 --> 28:17.560]  This cannot be caused by an aerobic combustion fire, okay,
[28:17.560 --> 28:25.560]  burning an aerobic reaction which requires oxygen with energy and heat released.
[28:25.560 --> 28:28.560]  You know, you've got a flame and smoke, et cetera.
[28:28.560 --> 28:32.560]  No, this was not an aerobic combustion fire.
[28:32.560 --> 28:38.560]  This was an anaerobic chemical reaction, okay, elements.
[28:38.560 --> 28:42.560]  We're talking electron shells, certain specific situations
[28:42.560 --> 28:45.560]  where the electron shells fuse together.
[28:45.560 --> 28:53.560]  Okay, so we want to get a little bit more into this anaerobic chemical reaction.
[28:53.560 --> 28:58.560]  And, you know, Derek, you and I were discussing this tonight
[28:58.560 --> 29:04.560]  what is up with that for months and months and months because no,
[29:04.560 --> 29:08.560]  okay, obviously it was a controlled demolition, okay, we're way past that.
[29:08.560 --> 29:14.560]  But no controlled demolition has ever had these kinds of results
[29:14.560 --> 29:23.560]  where we're talking pools, I mean, enormous amounts of molten metal,
[29:23.560 --> 29:27.560]  molten steel, molten everything, chemical reactions,
[29:27.560 --> 29:36.560]  releasing unbelievable amounts of heat and energy for months and months and months.
[29:36.560 --> 29:39.560]  What is up with that?
[29:39.560 --> 29:42.560]  So we want to get into that when we get back on the other side
[29:42.560 --> 29:45.560]  and also some of the points that you are going to cover
[29:45.560 --> 29:48.560]  when we get back from the break,
[29:48.560 --> 29:50.560]  some of the points you're going to cover tomorrow night.
[29:50.560 --> 29:52.560]  I mean, this is serious business.
[29:52.560 --> 29:57.560]  The orders of magnitude is very serious here.
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[32:21.560 --> 32:23.560]  OK, folks, we're back.
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[32:26.560 --> 32:34.560]  OK, we're going to start getting into this anaerobic chemical reaction,
[32:34.560 --> 32:41.560]  which basically, in a nutshell, boils down to a sort of a fusion reaction.
[32:41.560 --> 32:45.560]  We're talking elements combining together in a situation
[32:45.560 --> 32:53.560]  where they start to share their electron shells to create new molecular compounds.
[32:53.560 --> 32:55.560]  All right, there's different types of...
[32:55.560 --> 32:57.560]  This is a chemical reaction.
[32:57.560 --> 33:01.560]  You know, I'm glossing over high school and college chemistry here,
[33:01.560 --> 33:04.560]  but this has nothing to do with fires.
[33:04.560 --> 33:06.560]  This has nothing to do with burning.
[33:06.560 --> 33:15.560]  Yeah, heat can be one of the catalysts to start a chemical reaction of this nature.
[33:15.560 --> 33:21.560]  Other catalysts are pressure, changes in pH, and these sorts of things.
[33:21.560 --> 33:26.560]  But we're talking a fusion of elements when it's all said and done,
[33:26.560 --> 33:29.560]  and they share their electron shells.
[33:29.560 --> 33:39.560]  OK, and when this happens with certain elements, there is a release of an extreme amount of energy and heat.
[33:39.560 --> 33:45.560]  And, of course, whenever there's a release of heat, that means that it's an inefficient reaction.
[33:45.560 --> 33:50.560]  And so physicists and chemists have been working for decades, if not hundreds of years,
[33:50.560 --> 33:58.560]  to try to create a cold fusion reaction, which, by the way, I might just make a side note here.
[33:58.560 --> 34:05.560]  Our very own dear professor, Steve Jones, that is his career research is cold fusion,
[34:05.560 --> 34:14.560]  and I believe he is one of the first, if not the first, physicists to actually create a cold fusion reaction in the laboratory.
[34:14.560 --> 34:19.560]  And then, of course, he got into this 9-11 thing in the thermite.
[34:19.560 --> 34:26.560]  But the bottom line here is what happened in the basements underneath World Trade Center 1, 2, and 7
[34:26.560 --> 34:29.560]  was definitely not a cold fusion reaction.
[34:29.560 --> 34:36.560]  OK, we're talking heat orders of magnitude on satellite infrared imagery,
[34:36.560 --> 34:44.560]  Army Corps of Engineers that had to be fed real-time data to the workers for months and months and months, nine months at least.
[34:44.560 --> 34:48.560]  And so, you know, this just boggles the mind.
[34:48.560 --> 34:51.560]  Derek and I were discussing this earlier this spring.
[34:51.560 --> 34:53.560]  It's like, what is up with that?
[34:53.560 --> 34:56.560]  No controlled demolition.
[34:56.560 --> 35:05.560]  This has never happened before, and obviously there had to be an extreme amount of the substances required
[35:05.560 --> 35:15.560]  to fuel this anaerobic reaction that went on and on and on for months and months and months.
[35:15.560 --> 35:19.560]  And anybody who says the government wasn't involved, well, I'm sorry.
[35:19.560 --> 35:24.560]  There's already proof positive the government was involved because the workers wrote a book about it,
[35:24.560 --> 35:28.560]  how the Army Corps of Engineers had to help them with government satellite data.
[35:28.560 --> 35:38.560]  So that's just my brief overview, you know, of high school and college chemistry and physics concerning the difference
[35:38.560 --> 35:45.560]  between anaerobic and aerobic reactions where an aerobic reaction would be like where you burn something
[35:45.560 --> 35:49.560]  and raw plasma is released in the form of a flame and it requires oxygen.
[35:49.560 --> 35:50.560]  That's what aerobic means.
[35:50.560 --> 35:57.560]  And then, of course, there's smoke and then you have, you know, ashes and these sorts of things.
[35:57.560 --> 36:03.560]  But in the anaerobic chemical reaction, you don't have any of that.
[36:03.560 --> 36:05.560]  It doesn't require oxygen.
[36:05.560 --> 36:06.560]  There's no smoke.
[36:06.560 --> 36:08.560]  You don't have ashes.
[36:08.560 --> 36:11.560]  New chemical compounds are formed.
[36:11.560 --> 36:17.560]  So that's my little hack job overview of physics and chemistry here.
[36:17.560 --> 36:20.560]  So, Derek, you know, if I was a little off on any of this,
[36:20.560 --> 36:27.560]  or if you could just extrapolate on this chemical reaction that took place here.
[36:27.560 --> 36:28.560]  Actually, you were on.
[36:28.560 --> 36:31.560]  What you described is exactly right.
[36:31.560 --> 36:37.560]  And you bring up a great point in that aerobic reaction of conventional combustion,
[36:37.560 --> 36:41.560]  that means oxygen is consumed in the reaction.
[36:41.560 --> 36:42.560]  We'll have smoke.
[36:42.560 --> 36:46.560]  And if oxygen starves, it will tend to have black smoke.
[36:46.560 --> 36:54.560]  And with other controlled demolitions, we don't have this pile of burning rubble.
[36:54.560 --> 36:55.560]  We've never had that.
[36:55.560 --> 36:58.560]  There has never, ever been that.
[36:58.560 --> 37:08.560]  And 9-11 truth debunkers like to harp on the fact that the fire in the ground was stoked by the subway complex.
[37:08.560 --> 37:14.560]  And the problem with that is if you have a billion pounds of rubble above the subway tunnels,
[37:14.560 --> 37:16.560]  oxygen has nowhere to go.
[37:16.560 --> 37:17.560]  It's not going to go up.
[37:17.560 --> 37:22.560]  It's not going to flow in the direction unless it's being forced.
[37:22.560 --> 37:26.560]  And there was no forced convection from the subway channels beneath the ground.
[37:26.560 --> 37:28.560]  So strike one on that.
[37:28.560 --> 37:43.560]  And we have a USGS aerial photo taken on 9-16-2001 in which the South Power has a surface temperature of 1,377 degrees Fahrenheit.
[37:43.560 --> 37:47.560]  And this was taken from using an IR camera.
[37:47.560 --> 37:49.560]  It looks to me by the photo.
[37:49.560 --> 37:51.560]  It was a couple thousand feet up.
[37:51.560 --> 37:58.560]  And the North Power area surface temperature was 1,340 degrees Fahrenheit.
[37:58.560 --> 38:07.560]  And Building 7 area was 1,160 degrees Fahrenheit, taken five days after they fell.
[38:07.560 --> 38:17.560]  Not even a conventional fire could get that type of heat, let alone stay lit for five days.
[38:17.560 --> 38:20.560]  Let alone nine months.
[38:20.560 --> 38:30.560]  Well, the firefighters said that on December 18th they got the temperatures at ground zero under control.
[38:30.560 --> 38:31.560]  The fires put out.
[38:31.560 --> 38:38.560]  And I think that means that the thermite reaction had run its full course
[38:38.560 --> 38:47.560]  because they weren't running into pulling up dripping beams that we have photos for, beams dripping with molten steel.
[38:47.560 --> 38:53.560]  We have credits for the steel taken by Frank Cilicia on September 27th.
[38:53.560 --> 39:05.560]  But that's 16 days after they're pulling up using some construction equipment, some of the rubble, loading it into trailers, and they have glowing metal.
[39:05.560 --> 39:16.560]  Now, it was the people that was in charge of the cleanup that got to pick and choose which pieces got selected.
[39:16.560 --> 39:27.560]  Remember, only 246 pieces out of two and a half billion pounds of three buildings were selected for analysis,
[39:27.560 --> 39:33.560]  which a lot of these beams were kept in Fresh Kills Landfill, which is, I believe, on Staten Island.
[39:33.560 --> 39:38.560]  And they were analyzed, but the problem with that is they chose the ones that were analyzed.
[39:38.560 --> 39:45.560]  Like I said earlier, Mayor Bloomberg, a former engineering major, was not concerned about the destruction of evidence.
[39:45.560 --> 39:54.560]  He said, and I quote to the media, if you want to take a look at the construction methods and design, that's in this day and age what computers do.
[39:54.560 --> 39:58.560]  Just looking at a piece of metal generally doesn't tell you anything.
[39:58.560 --> 40:09.560]  So he made an excuse for recycling 99.9 percent of the World Trade Center 1, 2, and 7 steel.
[40:09.560 --> 40:15.560]  Now, let me tell you about the people that took the steel from Ground Zero to the port.
[40:15.560 --> 40:27.560]  They all had GPS installed on their trucks, which cost like $1,000 apiece, according to SecuritySolutions.com's own website, who I'm getting this information from.
[40:27.560 --> 40:37.560]  And this website says, given that the people in charge considered the steel garbage useless to any investigation in this age of computer simulations,
[40:37.560 --> 40:42.560]  they took pains to make sure it didn't end up anywhere other than a smelting furnace.
[40:42.560 --> 40:50.560]  They installed GPS locator devices on each of the trucks that was carrying loads away from Ground Zero at a cost of $1,000 each.
[40:50.560 --> 40:56.560]  The SecuritySolutions.com website has an article on the tracking system with this passage, quote,
[40:56.560 --> 41:07.560]  99 percent of the drivers were extremely driven to do their jobs, but there were big concerns because the loads consisted of highly sensitive material.
[41:07.560 --> 41:11.560]  One driver, for example, took an extended lunch break of an hour and a half.
[41:11.560 --> 41:16.560]  There was nothing criminal about that, but he was dismissed.
[41:16.560 --> 41:25.560]  One of those drivers was my friend Jason, and Jason is a highly skilled welder, one of the best welders that I know of in this area.
[41:25.560 --> 41:31.560]  And he thought he was going to go to Ground Zero and look for bodies, look for people that were trapped,
[41:31.560 --> 41:37.560]  and, you know, be – to help out in a way that he was skilled to help out in.
[41:37.560 --> 41:41.560]  Well, he drove a truck. He never welded or used a cutting torch or anything like that.
[41:41.560 --> 41:46.560]  He just drove a truck and did exactly this job. He couldn't deviate from any path.
[41:46.560 --> 41:50.560]  He couldn't talk to people. He couldn't use his personal cell phone.
[41:50.560 --> 41:58.560]  He couldn't do anything except stay within the narrow parameters of you start your truck, you drive there, you've got 15 minutes.
[41:58.560 --> 42:02.560]  If you get in traffic, call us. Here's this issued cell phone.
[42:02.560 --> 42:07.560]  He was highly, highly controlled. He was not allowed onto Ground Zero's property site.
[42:07.560 --> 42:12.560]  And the people that were saw this sign. They walked by that said, no cameras allowed.
[42:12.560 --> 42:14.560]  Now, what's up with that?
[42:14.560 --> 42:21.560]  Who was controlling this operation or can you tell us or does Jason know?
[42:21.560 --> 42:30.560]  I believe the Port Authority was part of the chain of command that had control for a little while.
[42:30.560 --> 42:34.560]  And I would imagine that control was surrendered to FEMA at some point.
[42:34.560 --> 42:38.560]  But don't quote me on that. That's just my understanding.
[42:38.560 --> 42:47.560]  I know that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor Rudy Giuliani was involved and he was prepping the media with this bogus story
[42:47.560 --> 42:54.560]  shortly after lunchtime around 1 o'clock that World Trade Center 7 is unstable and might fall.
[42:54.560 --> 43:02.560]  And then we had the fault start with BBC at 5 o'clock sharp just about where they announced that the building fell.
[43:02.560 --> 43:10.560]  And it was standing behind Jane Stanley of BBC over her left shoulder and it didn't fall until 5 20.
[43:10.560 --> 43:16.560]  So there was evidence of foreknowledge going even to CBS.
[43:16.560 --> 43:22.560]  They say that we're getting reports that World Trade Center 7 may fall. It's unstable.
[43:22.560 --> 43:31.560]  Well, how are you going to tell the firefighters that when firefighters don't evacuate steel frame buildings generally,
[43:31.560 --> 43:38.560]  they still evacuate wood buildings or masonry buildings, but steel frame buildings have no precedence of falling from fire?
[43:38.560 --> 43:42.560]  Right. Absolutely. They knew.
[43:42.560 --> 43:45.560]  All right. We'll be right back on the other side.
[43:45.560 --> 43:54.560]  And I want to get a little bit into seriously the difference between normal controlled demolition
[43:54.560 --> 43:59.560]  and this unbelievable amount of nanothermite that was used and the purpose.
[43:59.560 --> 44:01.560]  We'll be right back.
[44:29.560 --> 44:31.560]  We'll be right back.
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[47:15.560 --> 47:17.560]  Okay. We are back, folks.
[47:17.560 --> 47:20.560]  We're here with our good friend, Derek Johnson,
[47:20.560 --> 47:25.560]  talking about Building 7 and the physics and the chemistry about it
[47:25.560 --> 47:30.560]  and poking holes in the NIST report and this chemical reaction.
[47:30.560 --> 47:33.560]  And just briefly, a little bit on the break,
[47:33.560 --> 47:36.560]  we don't want to get into too much speculation here,
[47:36.560 --> 47:40.560]  but Derek and I were asking each other this fundamental question.
[47:40.560 --> 47:42.560]  What is up with that?
[47:42.560 --> 47:48.560]  No other controlled demolition in history has had this situation
[47:48.560 --> 47:54.560]  where there are pools of molten metal of chemical reactions
[47:54.560 --> 47:58.560]  of thousands of degrees going off for months and months and months.
[47:58.560 --> 48:02.560]  And why did they do this?
[48:02.560 --> 48:06.560]  Why did they not do this just standard controlled demolition?
[48:06.560 --> 48:08.560]  And obviously, the answer is,
[48:08.560 --> 48:11.560]  and this even comes from some of the NIST reports,
[48:11.560 --> 48:13.560]  because standard controlled demolition,
[48:13.560 --> 48:19.560]  there would be too many explosion sounds as the building was falling,
[48:19.560 --> 48:20.560]  the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
[48:20.560 --> 48:23.560]  And in fact, that was even one of the excuses of NIST,
[48:23.560 --> 48:28.560]  that what couldn't have been explosions because there was no boom sounds?
[48:28.560 --> 48:33.560]  Well, okay, duh, because with the nanothermite reaction,
[48:33.560 --> 48:34.560]  it's a chemical reaction,
[48:34.560 --> 48:39.560]  there's not necessarily going to be a boom sound.
[48:39.560 --> 48:41.560]  And so it's pretty obvious.
[48:41.560 --> 48:46.560]  And, you know, I'm a mathematician, so I love formulas.
[48:46.560 --> 48:50.560]  Okay, I'm into formulas and trying to solve equations.
[48:50.560 --> 48:53.560]  I used to teach calculus and differential equations.
[48:53.560 --> 48:55.560]  I love physics, I love chemistry,
[48:55.560 --> 48:58.560]  and I love solving equations through mathematics.
[48:58.560 --> 49:00.560]  And so I was asking Derek on the break,
[49:00.560 --> 49:04.560]  is there a way to calculate, as of this point in time,
[49:04.560 --> 49:07.560]  how much nanothermite did they use?
[49:07.560 --> 49:11.560]  And we do know that the military obviously had to be involved,
[49:11.560 --> 49:16.560]  because Professor Steve Jones reported high levels of barium
[49:16.560 --> 49:20.560]  in the samples of the nanothermite that he found,
[49:20.560 --> 49:24.560]  and that's only used in military-grade nanothermite.
[49:24.560 --> 49:29.560]  Standard nanothermite does not have barium in it.
[49:29.560 --> 49:33.560]  Barium is a very toxic substance, and it's used in weaponry.
[49:33.560 --> 49:36.560]  So, yeah, we're way past that.
[49:36.560 --> 49:38.560]  But, you know, just from a mathematical point of view,
[49:38.560 --> 49:40.560]  I want to solve the equation.
[49:40.560 --> 49:41.560]  How much did they use?
[49:41.560 --> 49:44.560]  And so we have to have the different elements of the equation
[49:44.560 --> 49:46.560]  in order to be able to solve that.
[49:46.560 --> 49:49.560]  And Derek was saying that we can't really solve that equation as of yet,
[49:49.560 --> 49:51.560]  because we don't have all the information.
[49:51.560 --> 49:57.560]  But, Derek, you do know how much steel was used in the building.
[49:57.560 --> 49:58.560]  Oh, yeah.
[49:58.560 --> 50:06.560]  According to the structural engineer of record, Sullivan Arnis, it was 25,700 tons.
[50:06.560 --> 50:14.560]  So times 2,000, that number brings us to over 58 million pounds of steel.
[50:14.560 --> 50:23.560]  And of that, about 60% or 55% or so was dedicated to the columns
[50:23.560 --> 50:26.560]  and to the built-up plate around the columns.
[50:26.560 --> 50:31.560]  And obviously it was a very redundant and very strong structure.
[50:31.560 --> 50:34.560]  If you look at the individual columns themselves,
[50:34.560 --> 50:38.560]  they are the heaviest jumbo series W-shaped columns in existence.
[50:38.560 --> 50:41.560]  They're W14 by 730.
[50:41.560 --> 50:47.560]  That means it's a 14 nominal, which means it's 22 inches long and 18 inches wide.
[50:47.560 --> 50:55.560]  The web, that is the I part of the I beam, is 3.07 inches thick, a little over 3 inches.
[50:55.560 --> 51:00.560]  The flanges, that is the cross perpendicular at the top and the bottom of the I,
[51:00.560 --> 51:03.560]  the flanges are almost 5 inches thick.
[51:03.560 --> 51:07.560]  So every foot of that column was 730 pounds.
[51:07.560 --> 51:12.560]  And towards the bottom of it, they put additional plates on called built-up plates,
[51:12.560 --> 51:15.560]  which reduce the bending stress and make them even more stiff,
[51:15.560 --> 51:19.560]  which would have brought the column to over 1,000 pounds a foot,
[51:19.560 --> 51:23.560]  rendering the column itself to have over 10 million pounds of carrying capacity
[51:23.560 --> 51:32.560]  at a 12 foot fixed on both ends to carry over 10 million pounds.
[51:32.560 --> 51:38.560]  And the floors were 12 feet in between the floors,
[51:38.560 --> 51:42.560]  so you had plenty of columns to support the building.
[51:42.560 --> 51:45.560]  So there was lots and lots and lots of steel.
[51:45.560 --> 51:48.560]  And the only thing I can say to address your question of how much thermite,
[51:48.560 --> 51:53.560]  well, if there was thermitic reactions going on into mid to late December,
[51:53.560 --> 51:55.560]  obviously they had enough.
[51:55.560 --> 52:00.560]  And to address the question of sound, I don't know how they manipulated the columns,
[52:00.560 --> 52:03.560]  but I can prove that the columns were manipulated.
[52:03.560 --> 52:07.560]  The other speculative things I can offer, and I hate to go there,
[52:07.560 --> 52:11.560]  but if I just had to say, well, maybe this, if I were to destroy the building,
[52:11.560 --> 52:12.560]  how would I do it?
[52:12.560 --> 52:13.560]  I have these tools.
[52:13.560 --> 52:14.560]  I have thermite.
[52:14.560 --> 52:18.560]  I would use ram jacks.
[52:18.560 --> 52:23.560]  I would go to the west line that did kink, that is the column 79, column 80,
[52:23.560 --> 52:28.560]  column 81 line, and I would set up a ram to pull in those other columns
[52:28.560 --> 52:33.560]  after the reaction has been done on each floor, pull those columns together,
[52:33.560 --> 52:34.560]  and guess what?
[52:34.560 --> 52:38.560]  That wouldn't make any sound.
[52:38.560 --> 52:45.560]  Derek, NIST has not released the specific architectural blueprints of this
[52:45.560 --> 52:47.560]  building, is that correct?
[52:47.560 --> 52:48.560]  That is correct.
[52:48.560 --> 52:54.560]  And that is one of the most key things for us to get out of NIST.
[52:54.560 --> 53:01.560]  Since they're retaining the contract documents, we only have partial information.
[53:01.560 --> 53:07.560]  Now, since the government has it, is it not possible to FOIA those documents?
[53:07.560 --> 53:12.560]  Well, that's exactly what that structural engineer that I'm going to be
[53:12.560 --> 53:15.560]  highlighting tomorrow night is doing.
[53:15.560 --> 53:17.560]  In fact, he's paid for the FOIA already.
[53:17.560 --> 53:18.560]  His name is Ron Brookman.
[53:18.560 --> 53:20.560]  He's a structural engineer licensed.
[53:20.560 --> 53:23.560]  He practices in the San Francisco Bay Area.
[53:23.560 --> 53:26.560]  He's been practicing for quite a while.
[53:26.560 --> 53:28.560]  I don't know how old Ron is.
[53:28.560 --> 53:32.560]  I would guess late 40s, early 50s, extremely intelligent man,
[53:32.560 --> 53:39.560]  and he's the one that has gotten the ball rolling as far as getting the
[53:39.560 --> 53:44.560]  details behind the NIST reports.
[53:44.560 --> 53:49.560]  One of the main NIST items of interest to Ron is the breaking strengths
[53:49.560 --> 53:52.560]  and the justification for their model.
[53:52.560 --> 53:57.560]  Now, if we have time during this segment, I'd like to read you the letter that
[53:57.560 --> 54:01.560]  NIST wrote back to Mr. Brookman justifying why they don't want to release
[54:01.560 --> 54:07.560]  the latest round of supporting documentation and analysis for what Mr.
[54:07.560 --> 54:09.560]  Brookman is requesting.
[54:09.560 --> 54:10.560]  Yes, go ahead.
[54:10.560 --> 54:12.560]  Okay.
[54:12.560 --> 54:15.560]  January 26, 2010, this year, dear Mr. Brookman,
[54:15.560 --> 54:22.560]  the letter is in response to your January 1, 2010 FOIA number 10-037
[54:22.560 --> 54:27.560]  request to NIST in which you requested a copy of the structural calculations
[54:27.560 --> 54:28.560]  or ANSYS.
[54:28.560 --> 54:32.560]  ANSYS is a software company that makes finite element analysis software
[54:32.560 --> 54:38.560]  or ANSYS analysis results that substantiate the walk-off failures at
[54:38.560 --> 54:40.560]  columns 79 and 81.
[54:40.560 --> 54:45.560]  Enclosed, you will find a disk that contains 8,900 files that can be
[54:45.560 --> 54:48.560]  released and are responsive to your request.
[54:48.560 --> 54:53.560]  The files on the disk contain input files of a version of the 16-story
[54:53.560 --> 54:59.560]  ANSYS model of the WTC 7 structure, which does not include the connection
[54:59.560 --> 55:04.560]  models and was analyzed with service gravity loads and case B temperature
[55:04.560 --> 55:06.560]  files.
[55:06.560 --> 55:11.560]  We are, however, withholding 3,370 files.
[55:11.560 --> 55:15.560]  The NIST director, that is Dr. Sunder, determined that the release of these
[55:15.560 --> 55:19.560]  data might jeopardize public safety.
[55:19.560 --> 55:24.560]  This withheld data includes the remaining input and all result files of
[55:24.560 --> 55:29.560]  the ANSYS 16-story case B collapse initiation model, the break element
[55:29.560 --> 55:34.560]  source code, the ANSYS script files for the break element, the custom
[55:34.560 --> 55:38.560]  executable ANSYS file, and all spreadsheets and other supporting
[55:38.560 --> 55:45.560]  calculations used to develop floor connection failure models in capacity.
[55:45.560 --> 55:53.560]  Sincerely, Catherine Flexer, Freedom of Information Act officer.
[55:53.560 --> 55:57.560]  Okay, so building comes down.
[55:57.560 --> 56:00.560]  Basically, we have no explanation from the government.
[56:00.560 --> 56:02.560]  We're trying to figure out what's going on.
[56:02.560 --> 56:04.560]  We basically know what happened.
[56:04.560 --> 56:09.560]  But we're trying to create a model using finite element analysis, and I'd
[56:09.560 --> 56:14.560]  like you to discuss that a little bit more after the top-of-the-hour break.
[56:14.560 --> 56:18.560]  The government has the documents, but they're saying we're not going to
[56:18.560 --> 56:23.560]  release them because of the interest of public safety.
[56:23.560 --> 56:29.560]  Okay, so if it's really as the government said, then engineers and architects
[56:29.560 --> 56:34.560]  are just going to go around building buildings like they have before,
[56:34.560 --> 56:38.560]  potentially with fatal flaws.
[56:38.560 --> 56:42.560]  You just answered the $64,000 question.
[56:42.560 --> 56:46.560]  The only responsibility of an engineer is to protect the public safety.
[56:46.560 --> 56:50.560]  And if we don't know because the government's retaining what happened to
[56:50.560 --> 56:54.560]  Building 7, how can engineers do the only thing that engineers are
[56:54.560 --> 56:56.560]  responsible to do?
[56:56.560 --> 57:00.560]  Well, see, this answers the question that I had earlier concerning the
[57:00.560 --> 57:04.560]  private property rights issue.
[57:04.560 --> 57:09.560]  All right, if somebody is an engineer architect, they own the blueprints,
[57:09.560 --> 57:14.560]  they created it, et cetera, et cetera, we as the public don't have the
[57:14.560 --> 57:18.560]  right to that information through FOIA because they're a private entity.
[57:18.560 --> 57:25.560]  But once the government has it, especially if the government obtained
[57:25.560 --> 57:30.560]  those documents due to some type of investigation, well, then absolutely,
[57:30.560 --> 57:32.560]  we the public have the right to it.
[57:32.560 --> 57:34.560]  So this is just ridiculous.
[57:34.560 --> 57:37.560]  The government's telling us there was some kind of outrageous fundamental
[57:37.560 --> 57:44.560]  flaw in Building 7, but yet they won't release the data concerning what that
[57:44.560 --> 57:48.560]  fundamental flaw really was.
[57:48.560 --> 57:52.560]  So potentially architects and engineers are just going to go around building
[57:52.560 --> 57:57.560]  buildings possibly with these fundamental flaws and buildings are just
[57:57.560 --> 57:58.560]  going to be coming down.
[57:58.560 --> 58:00.560]  I mean, this is ridiculous, Derek.
[58:00.560 --> 58:04.560]  I mean, it sounds to me like it's time for a lawsuit.
[58:04.560 --> 58:08.560]  It's time to sue NIST, okay?
[58:08.560 --> 58:11.560]  And I don't know how or who has standing.
[58:11.560 --> 58:15.560]  Maybe we can get into that a little bit later, but, you know, this show is a
[58:15.560 --> 58:16.560]  rule of law.
[58:16.560 --> 58:20.560]  And part of the reason I wanted to have you on to discuss these issues wasn't
[58:20.560 --> 58:25.560]  just to necessarily just to go into all the physics and chemistry because I
[58:25.560 --> 58:29.560]  did want to do that, but to lay the groundwork for a potential lawsuit, we
[58:29.560 --> 58:32.560]  have to start suing these rogues.
[58:32.560 --> 58:36.560]  That's the only thing that is going to make a difference.
[58:36.560 --> 58:37.560]  We've got to start suing them.
[58:37.560 --> 58:40.560]  We've got to start taking it to the grand jury.
[58:40.560 --> 58:42.560]  So we'll get into that a little bit later.
[58:42.560 --> 58:46.560]  And on the other side of the break, I want you to discuss the finite element
[58:46.560 --> 58:52.560]  analysis, just how important that is in analyzing data and the points you're
[58:52.560 --> 58:53.560]  going to cover tomorrow night.
[58:53.560 --> 58:59.560]  We'll be right back, folks.
[58:59.560 --> 59:04.560]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet
[59:04.560 --> 59:08.560]  isn't so easy, and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[59:08.560 --> 59:11.560]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[59:11.560 --> 59:12.560]  Brave New Books?
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[59:16.560 --> 59:19.560]  Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
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[59:23.560 --> 59:25.560]  There's no way a place like that exists.
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[59:43.560 --> 59:46.560]  It does exist, but when are they open?
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[59:59.560 --> 01:00:04.560]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:00:04.560 --> 01:00:07.560]  Sir Winston Churchill may be Britain's greatest wartime leader,
[01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:12.560]  but in India he has been blamed for allowing up to 3 million people to die of starvation.
[01:00:12.560 --> 01:00:15.560]  According to a new book on the famine, Churchill's Secret War,
[01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:19.560]  he ignored pleas for emergency food aid for millions in Bengal,
[01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:23.560]  as their rice paddies were turned over to jute for sandbag production
[01:00:23.560 --> 01:00:27.560]  between 1 and 3 million died of hunger in 1943.
[01:00:27.560 --> 01:00:33.560]  A march and conference in Lower Manhattan Saturday featuring supporters of the 9-11 truth movement
[01:00:33.560 --> 01:00:37.560]  will hear Wayne Madsen, a former US intelligence officer, saying
[01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:43.560]  the 9-11 attacks were carried out by the Israeli spy agency Mossad.
[01:00:43.560 --> 01:00:47.560]  Pentagon officials are negotiating to buy and destroy all 10,000 copies
[01:00:47.560 --> 01:00:52.560]  of the first printing of an Afghan war memoir, Operation Dark Heart.
[01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:55.560]  They say it contains intelligence secrets.
[01:00:55.560 --> 01:00:59.560]  Army reviewers originally said they had no objection to Anthony Shaffer's book,
[01:00:59.560 --> 01:01:02.560]  but when the Defense Intelligence Agency saw the manuscript,
[01:01:02.560 --> 01:01:10.560]  reviewers identified more than 200 passages suspected of containing classified information.
[01:01:10.560 --> 01:01:16.560]  The website Asia Times says the Taliban are for the first time in serious negotiations with the US,
[01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:21.560]  with the Pakistan military and Saudi Arabia acting as go-betweens.
[01:01:21.560 --> 01:01:28.560]  According to Pakistani officials, the Pakistani army has already been in contact with top Taliban commanders.
[01:01:28.560 --> 01:01:33.560]  At this stage, no direct contact has been made with Taliban leader Mullah Omar,
[01:01:33.560 --> 01:01:36.560]  although he usually does not involve himself in such talks.
[01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:40.560]  The Taliban have previously insisted all foreign troops leave Afghanistan
[01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:43.560]  before any peace talks could begin.
[01:01:43.560 --> 01:01:47.560]  Separately, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has set up a high peace council
[01:01:47.560 --> 01:01:50.560]  to facilitate talks with Taliban leaders.
[01:01:50.560 --> 01:01:58.560]  The initial talks have covered two main areas, the issue of 60 Pakistanis held at Guantanamo and al-Qaeda.
[01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:02.560]  Pakistani officials are set to visit Guantanamo to interview Pakistani prisoners.
[01:02:02.560 --> 01:02:05.560]  Their release would be a goodwill gesture by the US
[01:02:05.560 --> 01:02:11.560]  and set the stage for negotiations between the Taliban and Washington.
[01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:15.560]  A breakthrough British study suggests vitamin B tablets could slow
[01:02:15.560 --> 01:02:19.560]  and even halt the devastating march of Alzheimer's disease in the elderly.
[01:02:19.560 --> 01:02:24.560]  The research showed large doses of the supplement could halve the rate of brain shrinkage,
[01:02:24.560 --> 01:02:28.560]  a physical symptom associated with memory loss and dementia.
[01:02:28.560 --> 01:02:32.560]  The effects were so dramatic, the scientists behind the work believe
[01:02:32.560 --> 01:02:35.560]  it could revolutionize the treatment of the disease.
[01:02:35.560 --> 01:02:39.560]  Brain shrinkage or atrophy is a natural part of aging,
[01:02:39.560 --> 01:02:43.560]  but is known to be accelerated in people with mild cognitive impairment,
[01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:46.560]  a kind of memory loss and forgetfulness in Alzheimer's.
[01:02:46.560 --> 01:02:53.560]  Scientists at Oxford University found that taking high doses of three vitamin B supplements every day
[01:02:53.560 --> 01:02:57.560]  reduced brain shrinkage associated with dementia by up to 53%.
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[01:03:05.560 --> 01:03:10.560]  You are listening to the rule of law radio network at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:03:10.560 --> 01:03:16.560]  Live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:25.560]  We know the official story is impossible, so we set about scientifically
[01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:28.560]  to cover the hypothesis and then you test that.
[01:03:28.560 --> 01:03:32.560]  All right, we've been searching for the truth so far.
[01:03:32.560 --> 01:03:34.560]  We've been truthless.
[01:03:34.560 --> 01:03:36.560]  Don't mean to be ruthless.
[01:03:36.560 --> 01:03:37.560]  I do.
[01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:40.560]  He was a 10-second free fall.
[01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:41.560]  That's what I saw.
[01:03:41.560 --> 01:03:42.560]  That's what you saw.
[01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:45.560]  That's what everybody saw.
[01:03:45.560 --> 01:03:48.560]  10-second free fall.
[01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:51.560]  Official story don't make a little sense at all.
[01:03:51.560 --> 01:03:53.560]  He was a 10-second free fall.
[01:03:53.560 --> 01:03:56.560]  And where would the bill makers be brought down by controlled demolition?
[01:03:56.560 --> 01:03:59.560]  It was controlled demolition.
[01:03:59.560 --> 01:04:01.560]  Concrete into fine dust.
[01:04:01.560 --> 01:04:06.560]  That's a hell of a transition from controlled demolition
[01:04:06.560 --> 01:04:08.560]  They believe it's fairytale.
[01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:10.560]  That's a 9-1-1 commission.
[01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:13.560]  But not controlled demolition.
[01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:15.560]  Well, I'm going to just ignore that idiot.
[01:04:15.560 --> 01:04:18.560]  I see two ashes concrete with us.
[01:04:18.560 --> 01:04:20.560]  Twin tower fall down in front of us.
[01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:22.560]  The beam then hanging in the building, you see.
[01:04:22.560 --> 01:04:25.560]  Twin tower should have stand up and affect it easily.
[01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:27.560]  Man with a drillie and a man in a howie.
[01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:29.560]  How the beam then destroy them quickly.
[01:04:29.560 --> 01:04:32.560]  Build them in second and then destroy.
[01:04:32.560 --> 01:04:34.560]  Destroy the paper then lock them in.
[01:04:34.560 --> 01:04:37.560]  I ain't no rocket scientist.
[01:04:37.560 --> 01:04:41.560]  But I got two good eyes and I can see right through your tricks.
[01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:44.560]  I ain't no rocket scientist.
[01:04:44.560 --> 01:04:46.560]  You can't change the laws of nature.
[01:04:46.560 --> 01:04:48.560]  You can't change the laws of physics.
[01:04:48.560 --> 01:04:52.560]  I don't need to be a rocket scientist.
[01:04:52.560 --> 01:04:55.560]  Professor Stephen Jones, he has a doctorate in physics.
[01:04:55.560 --> 01:04:58.560]  And he has now gotten samples.
[01:04:58.560 --> 01:05:00.560]  They've taken the samples.
[01:05:00.560 --> 01:05:02.560]  They've done scientific tests on them.
[01:05:02.560 --> 01:05:04.560]  Professor Jones just doesn't find evidence of thermite.
[01:05:04.560 --> 01:05:07.560]  They find the byproducts of thermate,
[01:05:07.560 --> 01:05:11.560]  patented for specific use in cutting steel columns.
[01:05:11.560 --> 01:05:13.560]  The hair on the back of my neck standing up.
[01:05:13.560 --> 01:05:16.560]  Ten second free fall.
[01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:19.560]  That's what everybody saw.
[01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:21.560]  Ten second free fall.
[01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:24.560]  Feels like my best friend just a sucker
[01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:26.560]  punched me outside my door with a
[01:05:26.560 --> 01:05:29.560]  ten second free fall.
[01:05:29.560 --> 01:05:31.560]  The groundbreaking test.
[01:05:31.560 --> 01:05:33.560]  Why don't you tell us about it?
[01:05:33.560 --> 01:05:37.560]  Yeah, so I was rather surprised when we did the analysis
[01:05:37.560 --> 01:05:39.560]  with the amount of sulfur.
[01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:41.560]  And sulfur added to thermite.
[01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:43.560]  It's called thermate.
[01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:46.560]  And that is used specifically to cut through steel.
[01:05:46.560 --> 01:05:48.560]  I mean, when you put sulfur in thermite,
[01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:50.560]  wham-o, that's like a hot knife through butter.
[01:05:50.560 --> 01:05:52.560]  Control demolition.
[01:05:52.560 --> 01:05:54.560]  Fool most of the world
[01:05:54.560 --> 01:05:57.560]  with a few well-placed munitions.
[01:05:57.560 --> 01:05:59.560]  Control demolition.
[01:05:59.560 --> 01:06:03.560]  Because one world government wants to come to its fruition.
[01:06:03.560 --> 01:06:06.560]  This is control demolition.
[01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:09.560]  6.5 seconds, collapse of building 7.
[01:06:09.560 --> 01:06:11.560]  Search on building 7.
[01:06:11.560 --> 01:06:15.560]  And it might turn out that it's your own neck that you are saving.
[01:06:15.560 --> 01:06:18.560]  Do a search on building 7.
[01:06:18.560 --> 01:06:22.560]  It might turn out that it's your republic that you're saving.
[01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:25.560]  Do a search on building 7.
[01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:27.560]  We looked at the free fall
[01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:30.560]  compared to the fall of building 7.
[01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:32.560]  They're almost the same.
[01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:34.560]  When I saw the collapse of building 7,
[01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:36.560]  and I said to myself, that, that is true.
[01:06:36.560 --> 01:06:37.560]  I'd never seen it before.
[01:06:37.560 --> 01:06:39.560]  You know, collapse that late afternoon.
[01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:40.560]  It was never hit by a jet.
[01:06:40.560 --> 01:06:42.560]  But here it comes straight down.
[01:06:42.560 --> 01:06:44.560]  I don't see any raging inferno in this building,
[01:06:44.560 --> 01:06:47.560]  but I do see it fall straight down.
[01:06:47.560 --> 01:07:07.560]  We need a real investigation.
[01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:08.560]  Cool for molten metal.
[01:07:08.560 --> 01:07:12.560]  That's what we need so we can take back our nation.
[01:07:12.560 --> 01:07:14.560]  Real investigation.
[01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:17.560]  And I thought, 10 seconds free fall.
[01:07:17.560 --> 01:07:21.560]  So I want you all to call out for a real investigation.
[01:07:21.560 --> 01:07:24.560]  If you've ever had a wood burning stove,
[01:07:24.560 --> 01:07:28.560]  but you've never had that puppy melt on you, I dare say.
[01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:31.560]  That's what everybody saw.
[01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:34.560]  10 seconds free fall.
[01:07:34.560 --> 01:07:37.560]  Official stories don't make a lick of sense at all.
[01:07:37.560 --> 01:07:41.560]  It was a 10 seconds free fall.
[01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:46.560]  The implications stop many people from going past square one.
[01:07:46.560 --> 01:07:48.560]  I mean, they say, well, wait a minute, you know,
[01:07:48.560 --> 01:07:51.560]  are we talking about an inside job here?
[01:07:51.560 --> 01:07:53.560]  And I say, well, I'm talking about physics.
[01:07:53.560 --> 01:07:56.560]  And they say, but that would imply an inside job.
[01:07:56.560 --> 01:07:58.560]  I say, I'm afraid so.
[01:07:58.560 --> 01:07:59.560]  You know, explosives in a building,
[01:07:59.560 --> 01:08:04.560]  it takes time to plan and plant those explosives and incendiary.
[01:08:04.560 --> 01:08:07.560]  So I'm afraid that the truth is out.
[01:08:07.560 --> 01:08:12.560]  You know, to suggest that Arabs had access in these buildings,
[01:08:12.560 --> 01:08:16.560]  Dixie Building 7, which has a secret CIA office,
[01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:18.560]  is ridiculous and extreme.
[01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:20.560]  9-11 is an inside job.
[01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:22.560]  You know, how they claim they fell was a lie.
[01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.560]  And the official story is completely unscientific
[01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:27.560]  and a fraud and a lie.
[01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:29.560]  If Silverstein's slipping up and saying he pulled it,
[01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.560]  everybody was there.
[01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:32.560]  That's right.
[01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:33.560]  Oh, I mean, I know.
[01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:37.560]  The official story is a complete fraud and a lie.
[01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:39.560]  We know it.
[01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:44.560]  Now we're trying to get down to what really happened
[01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:47.560]  and trying to get the information out of the government
[01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:53.560]  through FOIA and public release of documents.
[01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.560]  And Derek and I were talking on the break,
[01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.560]  well, all four of us were talking on the break,
[01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.560]  concerning the discrepancies in the information
[01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.560]  that the government has released
[01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:11.560]  regarding the steel samples from Building 7.
[01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.560]  And this boils down to the sulfur issue,
[01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.560]  which of course, as you heard,
[01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.560]  our very own dear Professor Stephen Jones
[01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:22.560]  talking about the eutectic of sulfur with thermite.
[01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.560]  It makes it thermate.
[01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.560]  And eutectic means that there's an element added
[01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:34.560]  to the reaction that causes a drop in the melting point
[01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:38.560]  of the compound, the primary compound
[01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:40.560]  that it's being applied to.
[01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.560]  As he says, it's like a hot knife through butter.
[01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.560]  It's like putting salt on ice.
[01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.560]  It lowers the melting point
[01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:55.560]  of the primary molecular compound.
[01:09:55.560 --> 01:10:00.560]  And so boiling down to this sulfur issue,
[01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.560]  and by the way, Stephen Jones has done this amazing analysis,
[01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.560]  and he has the graph showing the barium
[01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.560]  and the sulfur and everything,
[01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:13.560]  and it just matches exactly military-grade nanothermite.
[01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:19.560]  I mean, it's like not even a minuscule off of the graph, okay?
[01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:21.560]  He presented that information,
[01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:26.560]  I believe it was back in 2006,
[01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.560]  I believe, here at University of Texas at Austin.
[01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:34.560]  But at any rate, first FEMA admits
[01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.560]  in some kind of public press release
[01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:42.560]  that they had, or that the government had,
[01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.560]  samples of the steel from Building 7,
[01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:52.560]  and that there was a determination of the existence of the sulfur,
[01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.560]  et cetera, et cetera.
[01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.560]  And now, Derek, you're telling me
[01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:00.560]  that just as recent as this past June,
[01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:05.560]  per FOIA documents, FOIA from NIST,
[01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.560]  now NIST is denying that the government ever had
[01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.560]  any samples of the steel from Building 7 at all.
[01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:13.560]  And so they're contradicting themselves.
[01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:19.560]  The government's contradicting themselves concerning samples of steel
[01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:20.560]  or metal from Building 7,
[01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:24.560]  and so now it's totally up in the air that apparently,
[01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.560]  according to the pseudo-official story of the government,
[01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.560]  they've never tested any of the steel
[01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.560]  or any of the metal from Building 7 at all.
[01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.560]  Am I getting this straight?
[01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.560]  Yeah, you've got it, and you pick up on this real quick.
[01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:39.560]  You're awesome.
[01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.560]  You have pretty much nailed it.
[01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:48.560]  The FOIA that you're referring to was from June 24th of 2010,
[01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.560]  and it was a response from, again,
[01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:54.560]  the same structural engineer Ron Brookman in the San Francisco area
[01:11:54.560 --> 01:12:02.560]  was FOIAed to get the backup for the NIST steel from WTC 7,
[01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:04.560]  which wasn't tested by NIST,
[01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.560]  although the New York Times in 2002 in response, I guess,
[01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:09.560]  to the FEMA Appendix C,
[01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:15.560]  which describes the WTC 7 steel that was perhaps the deepest mystery of all,
[01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.560]  this melting steel, this intergranular melting,
[01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.560]  the sulfur attack on the grain boundaries,
[01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:23.560]  which was reported in the New York Times.
[01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.560]  And now Brookman's trying to see what's going on with that,
[01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.560]  and he gets the letter from Michael Newman,
[01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.560]  the senior communications officer at NIST,
[01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.560]  and Michael tells Ron Brookman, the structural engineer,
[01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:40.560]  finally it should be noted that origins of the samples were not definitely known.
[01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:46.560]  Thus, it was not possible to conclusively link the first sample to WTC 7,
[01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:52.560]  nor was there other evidence to suggest that such failures occurred in WTC 7,
[01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.560]  leading to its collapse.
[01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:58.560]  Since this phenomenon was observed in isolated incidences,
[01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:03.560]  it was not studied further in close.
[01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:07.560]  And this, you were just reading from a FOIA document from NIST?
[01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:15.560]  A FOIA response, well, a response to a FOIA request was what I was reading,
[01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:20.560]  word for word, from Michael Newman, the senior communications officer of NIST.
[01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:27.560]  That's how he justified not releasing it, and he said it wasn't studied further.
[01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.560]  This phenomenon was observed in isolated incidences.
[01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:34.560]  There was no other evidence to suggest that failures occurred in WTC 7,
[01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.560]  leading to its collapse.
[01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:45.560]  Basically, he just whitewashed it and said no, Stonewall, Mr. Brookman, once again.
[01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:51.560]  But, Deborah, can I take you back to what I brought up earlier about the request
[01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:55.560]  for those break element codes and the finite element analysis?
[01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:56.560]  Yes.
[01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.560]  It's a long, basically NIST thing.
[01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.560]  No, you may not see it.
[01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.560]  But the story continues a little bit, and if we have time in this segment,
[01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:09.560]  I'd like to continue on with that a little bit.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:11.560]  Yes, please go ahead.
[01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:16.560]  Okay, well, I read the long letter, and the letter basically said we can't,
[01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:21.560]  we're not going to release, we are going to release A, B, C, D, and E, 8,000 files,
[01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:26.560]  something like that, but we're not going to release F, G, H, I, J, K, L,
[01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:31.560]  because it would jeopardize national security or something like that.
[01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.560]  Now, Brookman sent a letter to, Ron Brookman, structural engineer,
[01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:44.560]  sent a letter to the editor in San Francisco, and it's available at www.seaonc.org,
[01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:50.560]  and September 2010, I guess the most recent newsletter at that site,
[01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.560]  and the letter to the editor reads like this, quote, unquote,
[01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:59.560]  quote, the complete collapse of WTC 7 was highly anomalous.
[01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:03.560]  That's why it is critical, it is crucial for building design
[01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:06.560]  and construction professionals to understand it.
[01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:10.560]  Freedom of Information Act requests for structural analysis data have been
[01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:15.560]  denied because NIST director, Dr. Shyam Sunder, determined that the release
[01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.560]  of the data might jeopardize public safety.
[01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:23.560]  So I asked the director how in the director's judgment is the release of
[01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:28.560]  calculations and analysis results developed at the taxpayer's expense for
[01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:33.560]  a building that no longer exists a threat to public safety.
[01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:38.560]  In his response, Dr. Sunder of NIST's response was, quote,
[01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:43.560]  the decision to withhold the data was based on the fact that the capabilities
[01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:48.560]  of WTC 7 collapse initiation and global collapse models are unprecedented in
[01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:54.560]  that they provide validated models that can predict collapse of typical tall
[01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:56.560]  buildings.
[01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:00.560]  If released, these models would provide a powerful tool to groups and
[01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:05.560]  individuals interested in stimulating building collapses and devising ways to
[01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:08.560]  destroy buildings.
[01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.560]  We didn't make that up, end quote.
[01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.560]  My addition was we didn't make that up.
[01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.560]  That is so ludicrous you can't make that up.
[01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:21.560]  That's the epitome of stupidity.
[01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.560]  In other words, we can't really let you know what's going on because if we
[01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:28.560]  let you know what's really going on with our calculations, that will somehow be
[01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:33.560]  used by bad people to destroy buildings.
[01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:34.560]  How does that make sense?
[01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.560]  In other words, we don't want to let you know how we destroyed the building.
[01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:42.560]  That's what it sounds like to me.
[01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:46.560]  And I'm going out a little bit on the limb there, but I'm sorry.
[01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:48.560]  I've got to speculate a little bit.
[01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:53.560]  It just has that appearance, you know?
[01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:56.560]  We know how the building was destroyed, but we're not going to let you know
[01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.560]  because we don't want you to do it, too.
[01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.560]  We'll be right back.
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[01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:46.560]  Okay, not going to bore me, not going to fool me with the same old trick again.
[01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:51.560]  Here on Rule of Law Radio, we are all about remedies.
[01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:57.560]  And so, yes, from an engineering, mathematical, physics, chemistry perspective,
[01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:01.560]  I love talking about all the details of the physics and chemistry
[01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:04.560]  because I'm a scientist at heart.
[01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:08.560]  But it's more than just getting into the science just for the sake of getting into the science
[01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:12.560]  and learning about electron shells and how chemical compounds are made
[01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.560]  and releases of energy and all these kinds of things
[01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.560]  and the different levels of electron shells
[01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:20.560]  and what isotopes are more vulnerable and all these kinds of things.
[01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:26.560]  I mean, it's very interesting, but it all boils down to how are we going to get some justice out of this?
[01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.560]  How are we going to formulate a lawsuit?
[01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:35.560]  And what we were discussing on the break is that where are the engineering societies here?
[01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:37.560]  Where are the architectural societies?
[01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:42.560]  And, you know, absolutely, you know, Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth,
[01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.560]  and Derek, you're a petition signer, so is Ron Avery.
[01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:51.560]  You know, big kudos to you guys for all that.
[01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:58.560]  But just as far as like the mainstream architects and engineering groups and societies,
[01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:04.560]  you know, like the lawyers they have of the VAR Association, okay?
[01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:11.560]  I'm sure that architects and engineers in this industry, they've got their associations.
[01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.560]  They've got their groups.
[01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.560]  And so where are the leaders of these groups
[01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:23.560]  and where are the mainstream architects and engineers speaking up concerning the liability of their licenses?
[01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:29.560]  Because the government is the one who issues these licenses, by the way,
[01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:34.560]  since we don't live in a pure libertarian society, at least not yet.
[01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:43.560]  You have to be licensed to engage in certain professions in this generation of mankind.
[01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:52.560]  And since the government issues the licenses, well then, it seems to me that these engineers and architects
[01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.560]  who have these licenses should be jumping up and down and screaming bloody murder to the government,
[01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:04.560]  demanding to know what's going on with Building 7 because how can you guys continue
[01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:10.560]  to design and engineer and build buildings the way you have for the last several hundred years
[01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:14.560]  based on all the laws of architects and engineering and physics
[01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:21.560]  because you guys are responsible and liable for the public safety and the welfare of the public
[01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:29.560]  to make sure that bridges and buildings are designed properly so they don't just fall down when somebody walks in there.
[01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:35.560]  Since y'all's licenses are on the line and the government issues the license,
[01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:40.560]  then it seems like every architect and engineer should be jumping up and down screaming bloody murder
[01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:47.560]  wanting to know what's going on with Building 7 and demanding the government tell everyone what this fundamental flaw is
[01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:52.560]  because otherwise, if you guys just keep continuing to build buildings the way you've been doing it
[01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:59.560]  with this unknown mysterious fundamental flaw, well then, y'all are liable under your license.
[01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.560]  So what's the deal?
[01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:09.560]  The deal is there's not enough engineers that really know what's going on with this and are not aware.
[01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.560]  Just like the rest of the public, engineers are no different.
[01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:18.560]  They have their busy lives. Some of them are trying to keep up with the latest ball game
[01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:24.560]  or what Angie and Brad are up to and how Jen still fits into all that.
[01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:26.560]  And yeah, you raised some good points.
[01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:31.560]  How can engineers learn from this event, this World Trade Center 7 structural stability event,
[01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:37.560]  and stay in compliance with their professional obligation if they can't see the substantiation
[01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:44.560]  for the reported root cause of World Trade Center 7 and then learn how to arm themselves and their careers
[01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:53.560]  with the World Trade Center 7 lessons learned to protect the safety, health, and welfare of the public,
[01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.560]  which is exactly what engineers are supposed to do.
[01:22:55.560 --> 01:23:01.560]  No matter what discipline, they're supposed to protect the safety, health, and welfare of the public.
[01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:02.560]  That's their obligation.
[01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.560]  And right now with this particular building, we're being withheld from the root cause
[01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.560]  and what really went on in that building.
[01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:18.560]  And so who is really endangering the safety and the health and the welfare of the public in this situation?
[01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:23.560]  We need to look at the governing statute of NIST and what their charter is.
[01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:25.560]  It's kind of like the FCC.
[01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:28.560]  This reminds me of the FCC charter where they're chartered.
[01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:34.560]  They are required to make sure that the public interest is served.
[01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:39.560]  And so if they're not making sure that the public interest is served, that's grounds for a lawsuit.
[01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:47.560]  And so we need to look at the governing charter and the governing statutes that authorize NIST to come into being
[01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:54.560]  in the first place and mount a lawsuit against NIST concerning negligence on the part of NIST.
[01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.560]  And so we're going to be working on that.
[01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:03.560]  You know, these are legal issues that we need to contemplate, things we need to bring to a grand jury,
[01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:07.560]  you know, possible RICO lawsuits, et cetera.
[01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:12.560]  We've got plenty of ammunition against these guys in the realm of law.
[01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:17.560]  But before we go any more into that, I want Randy to contemplate on that for a while.
[01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:26.560]  Let's get back to this finite element analysis issue and how crucial that is in the industry
[01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:34.560]  and what the ramifications are here concerning that there is no finite element analysis files that are being released.
[01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:37.560]  Can you explain this to us?
[01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:47.560]  Yeah, first of all, with the last thing you said, the 3,370 files that are denied to Mr. Brookman
[01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:54.560]  from the FOIA officer, Catherine Fletcher, through the director of NIST, Dr. Shyam Sunder,
[01:24:54.560 --> 01:25:01.560]  are finite element analysis support for their global collapse structural failures.
[01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:08.560]  And I itemized the different, the general categories, which I'll tell you again,
[01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:14.560]  the 16-story KCV collapse initiation model, the break element source code, the ANSYS script,
[01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:20.560]  ANSYS is a software company and probably the most well-known finite element analysis software company,
[01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:25.560]  script files for the break element, the custom executable ANSYS files, the spreadsheets,
[01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:31.560]  and other supporting calculation used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities and the connection models.
[01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:38.560]  All of that FDA information is being withheld for the excuse of jeopardizing public safety.
[01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:42.560]  Now the rebuttal that Mr. Brookman sent back to NIST was,
[01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:47.560]  this response from NIST is an insult to building design and construction professionals
[01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.560]  who are committed to ensuring public safety with high quality construction.
[01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:56.560]  As a structural engineer, I have a professional interest in understanding the collapse,
[01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.560]  and it has nothing to do with devising ways to destroy buildings.
[01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:08.560]  If the WTC-7 models actually predict the complete collapse of typical tall buildings subjected to office fires,
[01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:13.560]  then withholding this information is not in the interest of public safety.
[01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:19.560]  Independent third-party verification is an integral part of science,
[01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:25.560]  so I strongly encourage the NIST director to reconsider his decision to withhold analysis data.
[01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:31.560]  Only independent third-party verification will enable these complex models to be validated.
[01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:37.560]  Sincerely, Ron Brookman, structural engineer.
[01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.560]  Well, yeah, absolutely.
[01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:45.560]  I mean, this is just straight-up logic, and these people are defying the laws of logic.
[01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:49.560]  They're basically saying we don't want to tell you what went wrong with the building
[01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:54.560]  because if you know, then you might build a building that way and hurt people.
[01:26:54.560 --> 01:27:04.560]  Well, duh, we need to know what not to do so that we won't do it.
[01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:08.560]  Well, that would be string thermite throughout the building and set it off.
[01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:10.560]  That's what we don't want to do.
[01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:15.560]  There you go.
[01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:19.560]  So they're not releasing the finite element analysis files.
[01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:24.560]  Derek, can you tell us just what finite element analysis is?
[01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:27.560]  Sure, absolutely.
[01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:31.560]  It's an energy method, and it's as old as computers itself.
[01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:38.560]  Actually, when it comes right down to it, computers were used in the 1940s.
[01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:44.560]  They were the earliest computers we had for the purpose of achieving finite element analysis.
[01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:51.560]  The father of it, I guess you could say, was the brother of the famous libertarian economist Ludwig von Mises.
[01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:56.560]  You've probably heard of him, and most libertarians have and keep him in high regard,
[01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:00.560]  and a very intelligent man who wrote a book called Human Action,
[01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.560]  which is considered one of the greatest books on economics ever.
[01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:06.560]  He had a brother who was an engineer and a very good engineer.
[01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:12.560]  His name was Richard von Mises, and Richard von Mises did tremendous developments
[01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:19.560]  in the stress of plastic flow theory through materials such as solids
[01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:27.560]  and predicted using highly sophisticated math the stress tensors,
[01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:31.560]  and predicted the way solids deformed.
[01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:38.560]  There was a name that was given in his honor to these deformations called von Mises stresses.
[01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.560]  We use more circles to predict von Mises stresses,
[01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:49.560]  that this triaxial stress state condition applied to any force on a deformable body in any direction.
[01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:56.560]  Well, von Mises' principles were applied early on in the early, early days of computers,
[01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:02.560]  and computers have developed a newer and better finite element analysis software
[01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:08.560]  throughout the 40s, 50s, 60s up until today where our software is highly sophisticated
[01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:11.560]  in that we can take three-dimensional CAD drawings
[01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:16.560]  and save them to a universal three-dimensional file called an IGES file, I-G-E-S,
[01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:21.560]  and then load that IGES data into a finite element analysis package
[01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:27.560]  such as LSDINA, ALGOR, which is what I have, ANSYS, which is what I was trained on in college,
[01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:32.560]  and then apply boundary conditions to that IGES three-dimensional data,
[01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.560]  which I guess we'll talk about when we get to the other side because I hear the music for the break.
[01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:43.560]  Yeah, and basically this is all for the purpose so that other professionals in the industry can check
[01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:50.560]  and double-check and triple-check the data and the structural design so that it's valid.
[01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:51.560]  That's right.
[01:29:51.560 --> 01:30:01.560]  Okay, we'll be right back and we're going to talk more about finite element analysis in Building 7.
[01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.560]  Top 10 Reasons to Question the Official Story of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
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[01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:34.560]  The wicked come with temptations.
[01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:39.560]  They're trying to buy the whole place.
[01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:45.560]  They want to poison the nation
[01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:50.560]  because they've fallen from grace.
[01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:56.560]  I will not drink from that cup.
[01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:01.560]  I just can't act that way.
[01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:06.560]  They've got this problem of dreaming up.
[01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:11.560]  And I won't be the slave come what may.
[01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:27.560]  They've got this problem of dreaming up.
[01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.560]  Okay, folks, we're back.
[01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:37.560]  We're speaking with our very special guest, good friend Derek Johnson, Foundry Expert Engineer,
[01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:43.560]  talking about Building 7 and the NIST reports and the finite element analysis files.
[01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:46.560]  This is something that's industry standard,
[01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:55.560]  and we were just discussing just the whole fraudulent nature of this whole NIST thing to begin with
[01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:58.560]  and just to digress for a moment.
[01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:05.560]  The powers that be, this is ancient societal engineering techniques.
[01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:11.560]  It goes back to the days of the pharaohs in ancient Egypt and the Mayan society
[01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:16.560]  where the kings, the royalty, the ones at the top of the power grid,
[01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:24.560]  they purposefully and forcefully withheld the knowledge of higher level mathematics
[01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:32.560]  and engineering and physics from the common man for the express purpose of control.
[01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:37.560]  They don't want us to understand math, they don't want us to understand physics and chemistry
[01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:40.560]  and engineering, basic stuff.
[01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:45.560]  Folks that I learned in high school, they don't teach that stuff in high school anymore.
[01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:47.560]  You could barely learn it in college.
[01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:52.560]  They don't want us to know these things because they don't want us to be able to build our own buildings.
[01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:57.560]  They don't want us to be self-sufficient, and they don't want us to be able to figure out
[01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:02.560]  that they're pulling off all these false flag terrorist ops
[01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:06.560]  for the purpose of fear-mongering and instituting control.
[01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:09.560]  This is the same, it's classical tyranny.
[01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:13.560]  This is what has been done over and over and over again
[01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:20.560]  since the ancient Egyptians and before and on and on and on.
[01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:24.560]  I know some of you may think, oh, this is really boring.
[01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:29.560]  I was talking about math and physics and chemistry and who cares, but this is important.
[01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:34.560]  This is important because some people look at the buildings and they fall and how they fall
[01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.560]  and they think, oh, well, big deal, a plane hit it, of course it fell.
[01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:45.560]  Okay, this is the state of our society, and for people to think that, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:47.560]  You have to wake up.
[01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:53.560]  People have to wake up, and so we have to understand these things so that we can take back our rights.
[01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:56.560]  We can take back our liberty, what belongs to us.
[01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.560]  So sorry about that, a little digression there.
[01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:04.560]  And, Derek, you were talking about libertarian philosophy
[01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:12.560]  and the whole concept of regulation and government control anyway by NIST, for example,
[01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:16.560]  to keep the public safe and engineering standards,
[01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:21.560]  and you were commenting on the break how the market will do that
[01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:32.560]  because engineers aren't going to want to build buildings that are going to fall,
[01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.560]  okay, because they'll get lynched if nothing else.
[01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:38.560]  So go ahead, Derek.
[01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.560]  Yeah, the market has an axiom.
[01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.560]  If you do dumb things, you're no longer an entrepreneur.
[01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:47.560]  You're a salaried employee, and that's the way it should be.
[01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:51.560]  If you do risky and dangerous things, that's extremely bad,
[01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:57.560]  and if they're bad enough, the courts are there to punish you and lock you away or whatever,
[01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:01.560]  and that's the axiom that libertarians go by.
[01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:02.560]  We don't need a NIST.
[01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:07.560]  We don't need all these mini-government agencies that aren't able to do anything efficiently
[01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:10.560]  if they're able to do anything at all,
[01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:17.560]  and it's unfortunate that the ancient Egyptians were the early propagandists
[01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:20.560]  because if the legend of the gypsies is true,
[01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:23.560]  that gypsies supposedly were from Egypt originally,
[01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:29.560]  and that's my great-grandmother was a European gypsy, so that hurts,
[01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:31.560]  but I guess that's the nature of man,
[01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:38.560]  that man is always looking for a way to manipulate and control and take what isn't his,
[01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.560]  but libertarian philosophy is the exact opposite,
[01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:46.560]  and we respect each other's possessions, respect each other's bodies,
[01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:48.560]  respect each other's person,
[01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:54.560]  respect each other in a way that we value each other equally under the natural law of man,
[01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:56.560]  and that is man is the sovereign image of God,
[01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:02.560]  and God is free and man is free, and the respect isn't there in other political philosophies.
[01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.560]  Other political philosophies involve coercion,
[01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:09.560]  coercion of economics, coercion of personal liberties,
[01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:11.560]  coercion, coercion, coercion.
[01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:15.560]  Back to finite element analysis on the World Trade Center buildings,
[01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.560]  Kevin Ryan has been one of the independent third-party investigators
[01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:26.560]  who's done tremendous work on unraveling some of NIST's voodoo, if you will,
[01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:30.560]  and one of NIST's reports, NCSTAR 1-5G,
[01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:35.560]  they write in section 4.61 that each element in a finite element
[01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:39.560]  and that element's model is assigned a certain material attribute,
[01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:43.560]  which in turn establishes the element's material property.
[01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:51.560]  Fire-proofing damage on a column was modeled by changing the material attributes of the element.
[01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:58.560]  The new material attributes are such that they offer negligibly small resistance to heat flow.
[01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:04.560]  Such an element would have extremely low heat capacity and extremely high thermal conductivity.
[01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:07.560]  There they tell us that they didn't model realistically.
[01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:18.560]  They used new materials to get the predetermined results that they were aiming for to occur through their models,
[01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:23.560]  and they even put that in the report.
[01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:29.560]  Also, in section 5.3.2, they go on to say a fire-proofing damage on the floor trusses
[01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:33.560]  was modeled by changing the material attributes of the elements,
[01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.560]  such that the element offers no resistance to heat flow.
[01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:43.560]  There again, they're showing you a manipulation that they're changing these thermal conductivity values to get what they want.
[01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:48.560]  Figure 7.14 in NISTAR 1-5G.
[01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:54.560]  Fire-proofing damage was simulated by changing material attributes of the damaged fire-proofing elements,
[01:39:54.560 --> 01:40:00.560]  so as to offer negligibly small resistance to heat flow.
[01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.560]  They're telling you in these different sections what they did, their methodology,
[01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:16.560]  but when you change material properties from what it is in nature or what it is as exists in the universe to something new,
[01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.560]  hello, that's not an accurate model.
[01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:20.560]  Wait a minute.
[01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:23.560]  They told you how they got it to happen.
[01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:24.560]  Exactly.
[01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:27.560]  They told you how they framed the situation.
[01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.560]  It's basically what appears to be their predetermined result.
[01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:39.560]  The only way, well, what they're trying to do is show what it would take to allow what happened to happen,
[01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:51.560]  and what it would take is structural beams that their whole nature would change so they would no longer be structural beams.
[01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:54.560]  How could we do that in the real world?
[01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:57.560]  Well, see, that's the whole point of the finite element analysis model,
[01:40:57.560 --> 01:41:05.560]  is that if they're going to put forth a hypothesis like that with an explanation and a theory and a conclusion,
[01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:10.560]  then they have to submit the data that they are using for their models
[01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:18.560]  so that other entities can run that data through their own finite element analysis software to come up with the same results.
[01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:19.560]  Wait a minute.
[01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:27.560]  They told you how they did it, and what they told you they did is exactly what you're saying happened,
[01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:35.560]  that magically or by thermite, the supporting beams simply disappeared and were no longer supporting beams.
[01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:38.560]  That's the only way they could get it to collapse.
[01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:39.560]  That's right.
[01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:40.560]  It's their own report.
[01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:41.560]  That's right.
[01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:42.560]  There it is.
[01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:43.560]  It's in black and white.
[01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:49.560]  They show us their own manipulation in this NCSTAR 1-5G.
[01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:50.560]  Everyone can read it.
[01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:57.560]  The only way we can get this to happen is if we make the supporting beams not supporting beams anymore.
[01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:00.560]  Well, isn't that exactly what everybody's saying?
[01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:04.560]  And there's more if we have time in this segment.
[01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:09.560]  I mean, I can take case by case by case these NCST manipulations in the finite element analysis,
[01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:22.560]  which is verified by a third party using real thermal conductivity values, will not show a building collapse.
[01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:23.560]  Do you want more?
[01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:24.560]  Yes.
[01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:25.560]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:26.560]  Please continue.
[01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.560]  I'm going to skip this break, so go ahead.
[01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:41.560]  Okay, NCSTAR 1-5, page 20, quote, the steel was assumed in the FDS, that's Fire Dynamic Stimulator, model to be thermally thin.
[01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:45.560]  Thus, no thermal conductivity was used.
[01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:55.560]  The thermal conductivity of steel is going to be somewhere in the order of 46 watts per meter per Kelvin.
[01:42:55.560 --> 01:43:01.560]  And they changed it from that, 46 watts per meter per Kelvin, to zero.
[01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:04.560]  Why?
[01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:06.560]  Well, we know why, but...
[01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:09.560]  That's the only way they could get it to collapse.
[01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:12.560]  That's the only way they could get it to collapse.
[01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:20.560]  Well, the question is how did they change, how did it change, or are they just saying that it magically changed somehow,
[01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:30.560]  or are they saying that the substance had this property from the get-go, that there wasn't a change?
[01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:40.560]  No, what they're saying, Deborah, is they assumed in this model to make this thermally thin steel with no thermal conductivity.
[01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:45.560]  So what they're doing is they're changing the steel from a conductor of heat to an insulator,
[01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:53.560]  and what the insulative environment is going to do is trap the gases and allow the air gases to become hotter and hotter and hotter.
[01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.560]  And through that action, they're going to raise the temperature locally to the members.
[01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:03.560]  It's a manipulation to get the temperatures in the building artificially high.
[01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:12.560]  But what's great about it is anyone can go to NCSTAR 1-5F, page 20, and read it to themselves if they don't believe me.
[01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:16.560]  Okay, well, wait a minute, just to back up here so I can be clear.
[01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:24.560]  Are they saying that there was a change in the property of the steel,
[01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:32.560]  or are they just saying that the steel had to have this property in order for this event to happen?
[01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:41.560]  Because that's a crucial point with me because if they're saying that the steel just already had this other property,
[01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:50.560]  then we can compare the specs of the steel when the tower was built and say, well, no, obviously there was a change.
[01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:58.560]  Are you saying that NIST is saying that they are admitting that there was a change in the properties?
[01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:01.560]  They're admitting that there's a change in the property.
[01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:08.560]  They didn't explicitly say it should have been 46 watts per meter per Kelvin.
[01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:11.560]  What they're saying is we made this assumption,
[01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:21.560]  but how can you assume that a material of a thermal conductivity of 46 watts per meter per Kelvin can go to zero?
[01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:23.560]  That's a manipulation, and it's a very large manipulation,
[01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:30.560]  because it drastically alters the events in the simulation once the initial conditions are set up.
[01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:36.560]  Your gases are going to get much hotter because you don't allow your steel to get enough heat away.
[01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:44.560]  It turns steel into a ceramic, which tends to insulate because it doesn't allow thermal conductivity.
[01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:53.560]  They're stating an assumption, but it's an extremely riding roughshod over physics assumption.
[01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:59.560]  So they're giving no explanation whatsoever as to what caused the change?
[01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:03.560]  No, they're just saying they assumed it. Why did they assume that?
[01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:10.560]  I wish I knew. I'm assuming that this assumption was made in order to get predetermined results.
[01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:16.560]  It's pretty clear why they assumed it because they had to either assume that,
[01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:24.560]  that something kept the heat in or there was another source of heat that they didn't want to talk about
[01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:36.560]  that created enough heat that overcame the ability of the metal to conduct it out, like thermite.
[01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:47.560]  You raise a very good point, because how did we get those aerial photos showing almost 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit five days after 9-11?
[01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:52.560]  Maybe there's more than just getting the predetermined model behavior.
[01:46:52.560 --> 01:47:00.560]  Maybe there's a serpent that entered the Garden of Eden with this particular fire dynamic simulator.
[01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:06.560]  Yeah, but that was the temperature they were getting under how many feet of rubble at the time,
[01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:13.560]  and then as they dug closer, those next satellite pictures showed higher temperatures.
[01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:25.560]  It's clear they chose the model that got the result they wanted without having to go to other possibilities.
[01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:37.560]  They chose an impossibility rather than saying, okay, we got all this heat, and how can all this heat be here?
[01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:47.560]  It's either all being trapped here or there's a source, and it would seem the obvious consideration is there's another heat source.
[01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:55.560]  Okay, wait a minute. This just seems like all too much smoke and mirrors for me.
[01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:00.560]  This just boils down to basic mathematics and formulas.
[01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:07.560]  When you're dealing with engineering and physics and architecture, there's not guesswork.
[01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:11.560]  It all is founded on mathematical formulas.
[01:48:11.560 --> 01:48:21.560]  For them to release this kind of data and these kinds of reports saying, well, we assume this or we assume that, it's just totally ridiculous.
[01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:23.560]  It's just off the top. It's over the deep end.
[01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:29.560]  I'm sorry. As a logician, as a mathematician, I have to call BS on this.
[01:48:29.560 --> 01:48:31.560]  I mean, it's just ridiculous.
[01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:35.560]  Back to the finite element analysis files.
[01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:43.560]  Derek, is NIST releasing the files or are they not releasing the finite element analysis files?
[01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:50.560]  Well, Brooklyn is still pursuing NIST, and he's still going to come back with another FOIA.
[01:48:50.560 --> 01:49:02.560]  What he told me personally is that he needs to demonstrate to them that if they release this material to him, that he will abide by certain conditions,
[01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:15.560]  that basically he'll use it in a way that is an approved manner by the NIST director, a pretty strong condition.
[01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:29.560]  That sounds suspicious enough, but I don't know if he's going to get the main thing, and the main prize is the Cantor drawing set of World Trade Center 7,
[01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:39.560]  which I think will include the architectures, the structural set, the civil set, the mechanical, the electrical, the project specifications.
[01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:41.560]  That's all we need to create a proper model.
[01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:50.560]  From there, we'll actually use the right conductivity model for our third-party finite element analysis.
[01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:58.560]  We'll put 46 watts per meter per Kelvin for steel, because steel actually has a thermal conductivity value of 46.
[01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:00.560]  We won't change it to zero.
[01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:11.560]  In other places that NIST fudge was the same, excuse me, yeah, the same report, NC Star 1-5F, page 52, the interior walls,
[01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:17.560]  including insulated steel columns, were assumed to have the properties of gypsum board.
[01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:32.560]  There again, they changed steel, which has a thermal conductivity value of 46 watts per meter per Kelvin to 0.5 watts per meter per Kelvin, dropping it by a factor of 90, one-90th the value.
[01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:41.560]  There it is for everyone to read, NC Star 1-5F, page 52. Go check it out.
[01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:45.560]  There's got to be a way to force them to release these documents.
[01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:48.560]  That was a question I wanted to get to.
[01:50:48.560 --> 01:51:06.560]  What authority does the director of NIST have to dictate open records, and what remedy is there against his decisions?
[01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:19.560]  That is something that needs, first of all, public notification, amplification through media, such as your show and others.
[01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:28.560]  At the end of the day, hopefully, we'll have Joe Sixpack with a pitchfork and a torch ready to storm Washington over this,
[01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:34.560]  because this whole thing is manipulated from cradle to grave.
[01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:44.560]  The physical values of steel in the ANSYS NIST floors 0 through 16 of World Trade Center 7 were bogus.
[01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:49.560]  They were dropped by a factor of two orders of magnitude, 1,000.
[01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:59.560]  The steel density is 500 pounds per cubic foot, and the NIST value in this model was 0.5 pounds per cubic foot.
[01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:10.560]  The concrete in the model actually, in reality, is 150 pounds per cubic foot, but in the land of NIST, it's 0.15.
[01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:18.560]  They moved the decimal over three places in each instance, 1,000th of the value in the ANSYS model.
[01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.560]  Why they did this?
[01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:27.560]  Well, it appears, and this came through FOIA, this isn't anything that they put in either NC Star report.
[01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:34.560]  This came to my attention through a Canadian engineer, a mechanical engineer named Jerry Warner,
[01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:41.560]  who I've become associated with, and we need to get on your radio show, Deborah, at some point.
[01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:44.560]  Of course.
[01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:56.560]  How can they take the values, the physical values, and divide them by 1,000 and expect this to last forever?
[01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:01.560]  Sooner or later, the public is going to know what they did, and this manipulation is extreme.
[01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:07.560]  But it appears to us that they tried to get that along with not fixing the members in the same model.
[01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:10.560]  They gave the members six degrees of freedom.
[01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.560]  They didn't allow translation in the X, Y, and Z axis, three.
[01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:18.560]  They didn't allow rotation in the X, Y, and Z axis, four, five, six.
[01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:20.560]  Therefore, there was nothing pinned or fixed.
[01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:29.560]  So with a model like that, all you have to do is turn the gravity on, and it will collapse.
[01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:31.560]  The whole thing is just ridiculous.
[01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:41.560]  I mean, look, I used to teach differential equations and third semester calculus
[01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:47.560]  to undergraduate engineering students, mechanical engineers,
[01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:53.560]  people getting their degrees in mechanical engineering and architectural engineering, and all these things.
[01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:59.560]  This is totally ridiculous, okay, from a mathematical perspective.
[01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:02.560]  It all boils down to equations.
[01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.560]  I mean, I remember.
[01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:05.560]  I went through it for years.
[01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:07.560]  I'm sorry.
[01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:10.560]  From my experience, these engineers are all the same, all right?
[01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:13.560]  They just want the formulas, okay?
[01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:20.560]  I mean, not you, Derek, not you, Randy, but most of these young engineers in college,
[01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:23.560]  they don't want to understand the math behind it.
[01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:32.560]  They don't want to understand the principles of the theory of the mathematical theorems
[01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:34.560]  that went into creating these formulas.
[01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:36.560]  Just give me the formula.
[01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:42.560]  Just give me the answer so they can just type the numbers into the little calculator.
[01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:43.560]  You know, well, I didn't teach like that.
[01:54:43.560 --> 01:54:44.560]  It don't work like that.
[01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:49.560]  You know, I may improve the theorems, at least the major ones on the exam, okay?
[01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:51.560]  This is ridiculous, okay?
[01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:54.560]  These guys at NIST, we never passed my class.
[01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:59.560]  I mean, a high school algebra student would do better than this, okay?
[01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:01.560]  Look, this is over the top.
[01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:05.560]  I mean, I'm ranting, but this is just totally over the top.
[01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:12.560]  There's got to be a way to forcefully and somehow lawfully extract these documents
[01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:15.560]  out of these people, all right?
[01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:16.560]  This is just ridiculous.
[01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:21.560]  Is there any other entity that has the blueprints
[01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:26.560]  and the architectural designs besides NIST?
[01:55:26.560 --> 01:55:28.560]  No.
[01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:31.560]  NIST has the goodies, and they're forbidden involved,
[01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:34.560]  and we're saying pretty please.
[01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:35.560]  Wait a minute.
[01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:37.560]  It's time for pretty please is over.
[01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:41.560]  What happened to the building department in New York?
[01:55:41.560 --> 01:55:45.560]  Well, they say that they got a lot of this from the Port Authority
[01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:47.560]  and Silverstein property,
[01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:50.560]  but why they're not divulged to the public in itself is an act
[01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:53.560]  that is putting the public in harm's way.
[01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:54.560]  Wait a minute.
[01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:57.560]  They couldn't build this building without the building department
[01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:00.560]  in New York having all of the plans.
[01:56:00.560 --> 01:56:01.560]  That's right.
[01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:05.560]  It's the contract, and in order for it to be contracted,
[01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:09.560]  the submittals have to be approved by the engineers of record
[01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:11.560]  of the various disciplines.
[01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:14.560]  Everybody in the whole department, you've got the plumbers,
[01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:16.560]  you've got the electrical, you've got the structure.
[01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:21.560]  Yeah, but at the municipal level, it's not necessarily open records.
[01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:23.560]  Yes, it is.
[01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:26.560]  Everything they've got is open records.
[01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:31.560]  I don't think that every architectural blueprint design submitted
[01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:38.560]  to the building inspector in any municipality is a matter of open records.
[01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:39.560]  Yeah, it is.
[01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:40.560]  That's the whole point.
[01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:42.560]  Well, let me ask you a question.
[01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:48.560]  Were there government entities within World Trade Center 7?
[01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:49.560]  Yes.
[01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:51.560]  Of course.
[01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:56.560]  So it should be public information because it's publicly funded.
[01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:58.560]  Yeah, but wait a minute.
[01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:04.560]  Okay, Randy, even if at the municipal level concerning building ordinances,
[01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:09.560]  code ordinances and stuff, even if that's open records at the municipal level,
[01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:14.560]  these properties are owned by the New York Port Authority.
[01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:17.560]  It's a tri-state governmental entity.
[01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:20.560]  It's way different than how things work in Texas.
[01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:21.560]  No, wait, wait, wait.
[01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:23.560]  No, that's the way it is.
[01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:25.560]  The building is not in three states.
[01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:27.560]  The building is in one state.
[01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:31.560]  The property, the land is owned by the New York Port Authority,
[01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:32.560]  which is a tri-state.
[01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:33.560]  It doesn't matter who owns it.
[01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:35.560]  It's within the municipality.
[01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:37.560]  The municipality has authority to enforce the building codes.
[01:57:37.560 --> 01:57:41.560]  Okay, what I'm saying is I don't think it's necessarily in the municipality.
[01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.560]  We have to look at the jurisdiction of that particular property.
[01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:45.560]  This is not the Vatican.
[01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:46.560]  This is not the Vatican.
[01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:50.560]  Unless that property was ceded out, the building inspectors,
[01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:56.560]  even if the municipal building inspectors didn't have jurisdiction,
[01:57:56.560 --> 01:58:02.560]  state building inspectors, there's got to be stacks of plans all over the place.
[01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:07.560]  Well, let me read you something from the 2004 NIST progress report
[01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:11.560]  on World Trade Center 7, I believe where this came from.
[01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:16.560]  They said as with the WTC towers 1 and 2,
[01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:20.560]  much of the information specific to World Trade Center 7 building construction
[01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:24.560]  was lost with the destruction of the WTC 7 site.
[01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:28.560]  So that's their wiggle room to make this excuse.
[01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:29.560]  How convenient.
[01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:35.560]  How did the building department, the plumbing inspectors, the electrical inspectors,
[01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:40.560]  how did these guys, did they have all of their plans down there in the same building as well?
[01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:41.560]  Apparently so.
[01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:45.560]  I guess everyone that worked in the building moved,
[01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:49.560]  that worked on World Trade Center 7 after it was completed,
[01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:52.560]  moved into World Trade Center 7.
[01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:57.560]  That's why they blew up Building 7.
[01:58:57.560 --> 01:58:59.560]  They put all the evidence there.
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