[00:00.000 --> 00:11.120]  117 Iraqis have been killed in two days of attacks on Shiite pilgrims. As suicide bombings
[00:11.120 --> 00:17.600]  and roadside bombs tore through Baghdad, nearly 500 were injured. The pilgrimage saw hundreds
[00:17.600 --> 00:22.720]  of thousands take to the streets. A government ban on bicycles and push carts failed to halt
[00:22.720 --> 00:28.960]  the carnage. U.S. District Judge Joseph Toro declared Thursday the Defense of Marriage
[00:28.960 --> 00:34.680]  Act, DOMA, which defines marriage as being between a man and a woman, is unconstitutional.
[00:34.680 --> 00:39.960]  Judge Toro decided Congress had exceeded its authority and that the act infringed states
[00:39.960 --> 00:47.120]  rights to regulate marriage. A suicide attacker and a car bomb devastated a busy Pakistani
[00:47.120 --> 00:53.000]  market Friday, killing 65 people, including women and children. The attacks on Yakaghund
[00:53.000 --> 00:58.200]  in the northwest tribal belt were the deadliest in Pakistan since gunmen wearing suicide
[00:58.200 --> 01:03.760]  vests stormed prayer halls belonging to the Ahmadi community in Lahore in May, killing
[01:03.760 --> 01:11.680]  82 people. With insurgent attacks increasing across Afghanistan, the U.S. and NATO are
[01:11.680 --> 01:16.920]  becoming increasingly frustrated at the rules of engagement. Addressing those concerns will
[01:16.920 --> 01:22.280]  be one of the most complicated initial tasks facing General David Petraeus, the new commander
[01:22.280 --> 01:28.120]  of U.S. and NATO forces. The controversy pits the desire of top military officers to limit
[01:28.120 --> 01:33.520]  civilian casualties against a widespread feeling among rank-and-file troops that restrictions
[01:33.520 --> 01:39.120]  on air and mortar strikes are placing them at unnecessary risk and allowing Taliban fighters
[01:39.120 --> 01:44.800]  to operate with impunity. During his confirmation hearing, Petraeus promised to look very hard
[01:44.800 --> 01:49.720]  at the rules of engagement. At issue is a tactical directive issued by General Stanley
[01:49.720 --> 01:55.080]  McChrystal that limits the use of air and mortar strikes against houses unless personnel are
[01:55.080 --> 02:02.880]  in imminent danger. Israeli sources say the U.S. has secretly given Israel a written guarantee
[02:02.880 --> 02:09.200]  that obliges Washington to sell Israel nuclear fission material to produce electricity. Washington
[02:09.200 --> 02:15.160]  has also vowed to publicly announce Israel is a responsible entity and can contain its
[02:15.160 --> 02:21.040]  capabilities. It's an open secret Israel possesses 200 to 300 nuclear warheads even
[02:21.040 --> 02:26.080]  though Tel Aviv has neither confirmed nor denied having any. Whistleblower Mordecai
[02:26.080 --> 02:32.320]  Bernunu spent 18 years in jail for exposing Israel's nuclear arsenal. Israel sensed a
[02:32.320 --> 02:37.720]  breach in the U.S.-Israel partnership recently when Washington supported an Egyptian proposal
[02:37.720 --> 02:43.920]  to hold a conference in 2012 on a nuclear-free Middle East. However, the White House said
[02:43.920 --> 02:49.480]  Wednesday Barack Obama has vowed to shield Israel from being singled out at the proposed
[02:49.480 --> 02:56.480]  meeting. For more details on these stories, visit www.inmworldrecord.net.
[03:19.480 --> 03:44.480]  Bad boys, bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
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[03:50.480 --> 03:56.480]  gonna do when they come for you? When you were 8 and you had bad trees, you'd go to
[03:56.480 --> 04:01.480]  school and learn the golden rule. So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get
[04:01.480 --> 04:08.480]  caught in the market crew! Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when
[04:08.480 --> 04:16.520]  Bad boys, Bad boys, What you gonna do, What you wanna do, when they come for you?
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[04:21.040 --> 04:22.360]  You chuck it on your mother And you chuck it on your father
[04:22.360 --> 04:23.440]  You chuck it on your brother And you chuck it on your sister
[04:23.440 --> 04:26.940]  You chuck it on that one And you chuck it on me
[04:26.940 --> 04:32.760]  Bad boys, Bad boys, What you gonna do, what you gonna do,
[04:32.760 --> 04:34.060]  when, they come for you?
[04:34.060 --> 04:36.000]  Bad boys, Bad boys, What you gonna do, what you gonna do, when,
[04:36.000 --> 04:37.000]  They come for you?
[04:37.000 --> 04:38.060]  Bad boys, Bad boys, Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[04:38.060 --> 05:04.420]  Not even the rule of law will give you no break.
[05:04.420 --> 05:07.920]  What are you going to do when we come for you bad boys and girls?
[05:07.920 --> 05:11.860]  Not even your idren, that means your brother and sister in them.
[05:11.860 --> 05:17.260]  Not even your idren give you no break and we're not going to give you no break either.
[05:17.260 --> 05:26.140]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, it's Friday July 9th.
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[06:12.660 --> 06:18.020]  We've got Randy Kelton with us tonight, Eddie Craig, and tonight I wanted to start off by
[06:18.020 --> 06:27.460]  reading some of this article from the East Bay Express having to do with searches of
[06:27.460 --> 06:35.300]  individual apartments, individual units under the guise of code inspection, code enforcement.
[06:35.300 --> 06:42.820]  They're calling it a SMART inspection, which stands for Specialized Multi-Agency Response
[06:42.820 --> 06:43.820]  Team.
[06:43.820 --> 06:50.300]  Now, I think maybe some of you out there have heard me talk about this word SMART before.
[06:50.300 --> 06:52.640]  This all comes down from Agenda 21.
[06:52.640 --> 07:01.300]  Whenever you hear SMART gross, the SMART power grid, what else, sustainable.
[07:01.300 --> 07:07.300]  Whenever you hear the word SMART and sustainable, know right away it's coming down from Agenda
[07:07.300 --> 07:08.300]  21.
[07:08.300 --> 07:16.180]  All right, and these SMART inspections under the guise of code enforcement definitely has
[07:16.180 --> 07:20.500]  everything to do with Agenda 21 coming down straight from the U.N.
[07:20.500 --> 07:27.460]  In fact, the SMART grid, what the SMART grid is really all about, folks, it's about monitoring
[07:27.460 --> 07:36.820]  your power intake and it's about the government being able to control your appliances through
[07:36.820 --> 07:37.820]  the power grid.
[07:37.820 --> 07:40.620]  Yes, you heard me correctly.
[07:40.620 --> 07:51.260]  Now listen, folks, when these electronically controlled appliances, washing machines, refrigerators
[07:51.260 --> 07:57.160]  and these sorts of things, when these first started coming out, I had a really bad feeling
[07:57.160 --> 08:00.060]  in my gut, in my heart, in my spirit about this.
[08:00.060 --> 08:07.780]  I didn't know why, just on the surface, something about it doesn't make sense to me.
[08:07.780 --> 08:15.700]  Electronic temperature control in the washing machine, come on, folks, hot, warm or cold.
[08:15.700 --> 08:21.300]  If you want a washing cold, old-school, old-style mechanical washing machines, it switches over
[08:21.300 --> 08:23.140]  to pulling water from the cold intake.
[08:23.140 --> 08:25.340]  If you want hot, it should pull it from the hot.
[08:25.340 --> 08:28.740]  If you want warm, it should be some kind of a mixture of both, half and half, or maybe
[08:28.740 --> 08:36.380]  you can have two choices for warm, but this electronic temperature control, it's all computerized.
[08:36.380 --> 08:39.020]  I just knew it was bad news on its face.
[08:39.020 --> 08:45.260]  I didn't know how bad the bad news was until recently when I learned that the whole thing
[08:45.260 --> 08:49.900]  about the smart grid is that they are going to decide for you.
[08:49.900 --> 08:51.900]  Yes, the government is going to decide for you.
[08:51.900 --> 08:57.500]  In fact, an international government, world global government will decide for you if you've
[08:57.500 --> 09:04.100]  got your temperature, your thermostat for your air conditioning set too low so that
[09:04.100 --> 09:05.820]  they can just change it.
[09:05.820 --> 09:09.460]  They will just control your appliances through the power grid itself.
[09:09.460 --> 09:14.820]  They'll send electronic computerized signals through the power grid, through the power
[09:14.820 --> 09:16.940]  line to control your appliances.
[09:16.940 --> 09:24.260]  Anyways, that was a little side rant about the smart grid and the smart growth and all
[09:24.260 --> 09:27.100]  this stuff about smart growth and sustainable development.
[09:27.100 --> 09:28.700]  It's all about taking away your property.
[09:28.700 --> 09:33.780]  It's all about controlling your life and inspections, home inspections.
[09:33.780 --> 09:39.220]  Under agenda 21, they want to have mandatory home inspections to make sure everything is
[09:39.220 --> 09:40.220]  up to code.
[09:40.220 --> 09:47.260]  This, to me, this article looks like they are in the process of starting to implement
[09:47.260 --> 09:54.380]  these mandatory home inspections without warrant under the guise of seeing if the building
[09:54.380 --> 09:57.740]  or if the unit is up to code.
[09:57.740 --> 10:02.900]  Of course, they're calling it SMART and they've got the little anacronym, specialized multi-agency
[10:02.900 --> 10:06.620]  response team, and it's all coming down from agenda 21.
[10:06.620 --> 10:12.140]  At any rate, let me read some of this article and see what Eddie and Randy's take on this
[10:12.140 --> 10:17.260]  is, but I wanted to give the background here so that people would understand this isn't
[10:17.260 --> 10:23.460]  just some rogue fire agency, a firefighting agency.
[10:23.460 --> 10:28.060]  This isn't a rogue fire department in collusion with a rogue police department.
[10:28.060 --> 10:35.820]  This is coming down, this is very systematically planned from the UN, agenda 21, and it's being
[10:35.820 --> 10:38.500]  implemented at the local level.
[10:38.500 --> 10:44.180]  They're training local law enforcement and the local agencies, code enforcement agencies
[10:44.180 --> 10:48.780]  and the local fire departments to implement this agenda 21.
[10:48.780 --> 10:57.340]  This is what the show Agenda 21 Talk is all about with Don trustee and Greg Chapman and
[10:57.340 --> 10:58.340]  Mike Holloway.
[10:58.340 --> 11:04.900]  So I'm going to read some about what's happening, what's on the news front here regarding Agenda
[11:04.900 --> 11:05.900]  21.
[11:05.900 --> 11:12.420]  Okay, Oakland, in Oakland, California, Oakland police search without warrants, it says a
[11:12.420 --> 11:17.020]  little, and this is from the East Bay Express, this was on July 5th, this was just a few
[11:17.020 --> 11:19.100]  days ago they published this article.
[11:19.100 --> 11:25.820]  In a little known city program that critics say may be unconstitutional, cops join fire
[11:25.820 --> 11:31.380]  and building inspectors as they enter homes without a warrant and then arrest residents
[11:31.380 --> 11:34.620]  if they find anything illegal.
[11:34.620 --> 11:39.820]  On a gloomy recent morning in West Oakland, tenants at the Gray, the David Gray building
[11:39.820 --> 11:45.220]  or off-ramp studios as everyone who lives there calls it, stood in the hallways outside
[11:45.220 --> 11:46.220]  their loss.
[11:46.220 --> 11:50.820]  They gathered around their doors in nervous clusters and spoke in hushed tones wondering
[11:50.820 --> 11:55.820]  aloud whether they should head to work or stay and observe while two Oakland police
[11:55.820 --> 12:03.220]  officers, two building services code enforcers, a fire inspector and three property management
[12:03.220 --> 12:08.740]  representatives entered all of their units one by one.
[12:08.740 --> 12:12.900]  Traditionally the entire procedure would have required a search warrant but on this day
[12:12.900 --> 12:17.760]  the group of cops and city officials were operating under a little known Oakland city
[12:17.760 --> 12:25.780]  program called SMART, specialized multi-agency response team that some legal experts say
[12:25.780 --> 12:28.100]  may be unconstitutional.
[12:28.100 --> 12:32.100]  That's because they enter people's homes without consent or a warrant.
[12:32.100 --> 12:36.660]  At the off-ramp studios they also entered one loft when no one was home.
[12:36.660 --> 12:38.540]  It was unit 103.
[12:38.540 --> 12:41.220]  They knocked on the locked door and got no response.
[12:41.220 --> 12:45.100]  After about a minute of waiting the building manager who was carrying a tray of keys opened
[12:45.100 --> 12:52.260]  the door and everyone entered inside with the remnants of a large multi-level grow operation
[12:52.260 --> 12:57.860]  including what appeared to be psilocybin mushroom caps and potted marijuana plants that had
[12:57.860 --> 12:59.380]  been sawed off.
[12:59.380 --> 13:04.380]  There was also evidence of methamphetamine production according to fire inspector Vincent
[13:04.380 --> 13:09.980]  Crudell who called the unit a potential felony crime scene.
[13:09.980 --> 13:14.780]  The officers hauled away large ziplock bags filled with evidence seized from the inspection
[13:14.780 --> 13:18.940]  and Crudell ordered the unit to be completely cleaned out by property management within
[13:18.940 --> 13:20.700]  48 hours.
[13:20.700 --> 13:26.540]  A week prior to the search Crudell showed up at the off-ramp for a preliminary check
[13:26.540 --> 13:32.580]  in response to complaints from one tenant about an open party being planned by another
[13:32.580 --> 13:39.660]  tenant said Frank Flores, director of development for Madison Park, the building's leasing agent.
[13:39.660 --> 13:45.460]  Crudell said he noticed the smell of marijuana emanating from one particular unit 103 and
[13:45.460 --> 13:50.860]  decided then to schedule the smart inspection for one week later.
[13:50.860 --> 13:52.340]  Okay, pause here.
[13:52.340 --> 13:56.180]  Now remember folks, Crudell is the fire dude.
[13:56.180 --> 13:59.020]  He is from the fire department, all right?
[13:59.020 --> 14:08.340]  So what business does he have dealing with like searches regarding potential contraband,
[14:08.340 --> 14:09.820]  all right?
[14:09.820 --> 14:15.860]  So at any rate, and I'm not quite understanding what he had business responding to a complaint
[14:15.860 --> 14:19.580]  for a party being planned by another tenant.
[14:19.580 --> 14:26.620]  So what, unless there was an actual party in process where there were too many people
[14:26.620 --> 14:33.580]  in a unit violating fire code, I mean, this is like thought crime, okay?
[14:33.580 --> 14:36.260]  That nobody had done anything wrong at this point.
[14:36.260 --> 14:37.260]  All right.
[14:37.260 --> 14:42.500]  At any rate, for Crudell having, back to the article, for Crudell having police officers
[14:42.500 --> 14:51.820]  accompany city inspectors during a smart inspection ensures security in potentially volatile situations.
[14:51.820 --> 14:54.020]  It's a safety issue for us, he said.
[14:54.020 --> 14:56.660]  We have limited policing capabilities.
[14:56.660 --> 15:00.860]  If part of the populace is doing something illegal, that creates a problem for me.
[15:00.860 --> 15:02.620]  They may not want to cooperate.
[15:02.620 --> 15:07.940]  Well, duh, maybe you don't have any business doing anything in their homes in the first
[15:07.940 --> 15:08.940]  place.
[15:08.940 --> 15:10.740]  No wonder people don't want to cooperate.
[15:10.740 --> 15:15.740]  At any rate, back to the article, however, Northern California ACLU staff attorney Michael
[15:15.740 --> 15:20.460]  Risher questioned the legality of searching people's homes without a warrant or consent.
[15:20.460 --> 15:25.660]  He also argued that it's not all that burdensome to go down to the courthouse, swear out an
[15:25.660 --> 15:32.900]  affidavit, and get a legitimate search warrant to look for illegal drugs or real safety hazards.
[15:32.900 --> 15:38.180]  Risher said that there are only three ways for state agents to legally enter a private
[15:38.180 --> 15:43.580]  residence with consent, with a warrant, or in an emergency.
[15:43.580 --> 15:49.380]  The smart inspection is a warrantless process, and considering the fact that a week passed
[15:49.380 --> 15:56.460]  between Crudell's first sniff of the wafting marijuana and the actual inspection, this
[15:56.460 --> 16:00.460]  doesn't qualify as an emergency either, Risher said.
[16:00.460 --> 16:05.900]  Quote, your home is your castle, whether you rent a room in downtown Oakland or own a mansion
[16:05.900 --> 16:08.140]  in the hills, Risher said.
[16:08.140 --> 16:11.020]  Quote, if you live in your apartment, it's your apartment.
[16:11.020 --> 16:13.900]  The landlord cannot give police access.
[16:13.900 --> 16:17.660]  There are statutory and constitutional problems with that.
[16:17.660 --> 16:22.740]  Crudell, however, argued that the point of the search was community safety.
[16:22.740 --> 16:28.860]  Quote, the ultimate goal of a smart inspection is to bring a building into code for a better
[16:28.860 --> 16:31.740]  quality of living for everyone there.
[16:31.740 --> 16:37.540]  Crudell said, it's not an attempt to impede any civil liberties or control anybody's life.
[16:37.540 --> 16:41.100]  Oh no, we're not doing anything wrong.
[16:41.100 --> 16:42.780]  It's for the children.
[16:42.780 --> 16:45.060]  It's for the common collective good.
[16:45.060 --> 16:47.660]  All right, folks, we'll be right back.
[16:47.660 --> 16:52.940]  I'm going to finish reading some of this article, and then we're going to get Randy and Eddie's
[16:52.940 --> 16:56.260]  take on these smart inspections.
[16:56.260 --> 17:03.100]  We'll be right back.
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[18:11.340 --> 18:31.300]  Thank you, Justin, yeah, oh, the world is spinning like it's out of control on the edge
[18:31.300 --> 18:34.300]  of a hole inside a deep dark dome.
[18:34.300 --> 18:42.460]  I'm always going to look out for something to soothe my soul, so I sit back and I watch
[18:42.460 --> 18:43.460]  the world fall.
[18:43.460 --> 18:46.460]  All right, we want justice.
[18:46.460 --> 18:47.460]  That's the key.
[18:47.460 --> 18:52.860]  Okay, so I'm going to finish with this article here, and then we're going to speak with Randy
[18:52.860 --> 19:02.260]  and Eddie about these so-called smart inspections, smart here in this case, standing for specialized
[19:02.260 --> 19:05.820]  multi-agency response team.
[19:05.820 --> 19:06.820]  Give me a break.
[19:06.820 --> 19:14.740]  Okay, so back to the article, but was this truly a safety and code enforcement inspection
[19:14.740 --> 19:17.300]  or a drug bust in disguise?
[19:17.300 --> 19:20.440]  The answer appears to be a bit of both.
[19:20.440 --> 19:25.140]  After all, in addition to the incriminating drug evidence, the inspection revealed hundreds
[19:25.140 --> 19:30.500]  of extension cords, taped open fuses, and a jerry-rigged greenhouse with a lot of fans
[19:30.500 --> 19:35.260]  and wood, a veritable fire bomb waiting to happen, Crudell said.
[19:35.260 --> 19:39.780]  It's like having hay bales in a room made out of 100-year-old wood with hot air running
[19:39.780 --> 19:41.940]  through and drying it out, he added.
[19:41.940 --> 19:44.900]  Okay, I want to pause right here.
[19:44.900 --> 19:51.980]  I don't see how this thing was warranted because the whole thing started with someone in the
[19:51.980 --> 19:58.580]  building apparently complaining to management about someone else in the building possibly
[19:58.580 --> 20:05.740]  planning to have a party, and then the fire department was called, and the fire department
[20:05.740 --> 20:10.940]  came out to have a look around the place even though there was no party in progress to see
[20:10.940 --> 20:19.940]  if fire code was being infringed upon, and then the fire department smelled marijuana,
[20:19.940 --> 20:23.940]  and then they scheduled a smart inspection, so it seems pretty clear to me what's going
[20:23.940 --> 20:24.940]  on.
[20:24.940 --> 20:31.180]  Okay, at any rate, continuing, the legal murkiness of the inspections are problematic, Risher
[20:31.180 --> 20:32.180]  said.
[20:32.180 --> 20:36.860]  Now remember, Risher is the attorney for the ACLU, and from a legal procedural standpoint,
[20:36.860 --> 20:42.940]  it appears that few within the city of Oakland are aware of what exactly a smart inspection
[20:42.940 --> 20:46.460]  is and what justifies one.
[20:46.460 --> 20:51.740]  City attorney, office spokesman Alan Katz declined to comment for this story other than
[20:51.740 --> 20:59.380]  to confirm that the smart inspections have been happening for years.
[20:59.380 --> 21:03.820]  As of the off-ramp search, Oakland Deputy Fire Chief James Williams said, as far as
[21:03.820 --> 21:07.780]  I know, that's the first one I'm aware of generated by the fire department.
[21:07.780 --> 21:12.460]  A few days prior to the search of the off-ramp studios, Madison Park had taped a letter on
[21:12.460 --> 21:14.900]  the tenant's doors announcing the event.
[21:14.900 --> 21:19.580]  It said Oakland Fire Marshall, city building services, and the Oakland police had issued
[21:19.580 --> 21:25.300]  a notice of intent to inspect the entire building, each and every unit, in bull lettering without
[21:25.300 --> 21:26.700]  exception.
[21:26.700 --> 21:32.340]  Many of off-ramps residents said it was common knowledge among the tenants and the management
[21:32.340 --> 21:37.060]  that there were marijuana grow operations going on in some units.
[21:37.060 --> 21:42.460]  We're a little embarrassed about how far that tenant got, Flores of Madison Park said, referring
[21:42.460 --> 21:44.460]  to unit 103.
[21:44.460 --> 21:48.380]  The residents, however, appeared to be united in their concern about the inspection.
[21:48.380 --> 21:53.740]  Quote, they haven't made their intentions clear, which is disconcerting, said Ryan Mach.
[21:53.740 --> 21:58.020]  Without informing people of their intentions, it comes across as a drug raid or just really
[21:58.020 --> 21:59.340]  bad PR.
[21:59.340 --> 22:02.540]  Kevin Wansley, who lives across the hall from Mach, agreed.
[22:02.540 --> 22:05.940]  I don't have anything to hide, he said, but I'm not comfortable with it.
[22:05.940 --> 22:10.020]  The residents also expressed irritation with Madison Park and the company's unwillingness
[22:10.020 --> 22:15.260]  to stand up for tenants or to articulate exactly what the inspection was all about in the initial
[22:15.260 --> 22:16.260]  notice.
[22:16.260 --> 22:20.140]  Quote, we told everyone we were coming in, Flores responded.
[22:20.140 --> 22:24.500]  Regardless of what it said on the notice, we were inviting everyone with us.
[22:24.500 --> 22:26.700]  I think everyone was open to us coming in.
[22:26.700 --> 22:28.420]  Okay, pause for a second.
[22:28.420 --> 22:29.900]  Give me a break.
[22:29.900 --> 22:32.380]  I have to say, give me a break.
[22:32.380 --> 22:34.780]  We were inviting everyone with us.
[22:34.780 --> 22:39.980]  Gee, thanks, apartment manager, for inviting me into my own apartment that I have rented
[22:39.980 --> 22:40.980]  from you.
[22:40.980 --> 22:43.340]  Yeah, open to coming in.
[22:43.340 --> 22:44.980]  I don't think so.
[22:44.980 --> 22:49.300]  Okay, but unit 103's tenant certainly was not.
[22:49.300 --> 22:53.580]  During a phone interview, the tenant, who agreed to talk for this story and to allow
[22:53.580 --> 22:57.980]  the express to publish photos of his unit if he could remain anonymous, said he was
[22:57.980 --> 23:02.060]  upset about the fact that his loft was entered in search without his consent and that he
[23:02.060 --> 23:04.300]  came home to a demolished unit.
[23:04.300 --> 23:10.820]  He claimed that Madison Park's crew destroyed roughly $3,000 worth of various concert memorabilia
[23:10.820 --> 23:14.780]  and housewares in the Crudel ordered remediation process.
[23:14.780 --> 23:18.420]  It's insane that any corporation can do this, quote he said.
[23:18.420 --> 23:25.100]  As of late last week, he also was not certain whether he's being charged with anything or
[23:25.100 --> 23:27.660]  if there's a warrant out for his arrest.
[23:27.660 --> 23:34.180]  Okay, so apparently Mr. Grower is not even being charged at this point.
[23:34.180 --> 23:39.460]  There's no warrant for his arrest and also he was not the only one who objected to this.
[23:39.460 --> 23:46.780]  So again folks, even city officials in Oakland have never even, certain city officials have
[23:46.780 --> 23:52.420]  never even heard of these smart inspections, which lends more credence to my allegation
[23:52.420 --> 24:01.380]  that this is all part of the Agenda 21 UN plan to inspect everyone's homes, whether it's
[24:01.380 --> 24:06.860]  an apartment building or whether you outright own your property with a standalone dwelling,
[24:06.860 --> 24:14.220]  like a single family dwelling and again, every time you see the word smart or sustainable,
[24:14.220 --> 24:20.700]  you got to know this is about Agenda 21 and about global government, implementation of
[24:20.700 --> 24:23.620]  global government to take away your property and take away all your rights.
[24:23.620 --> 24:25.100]  So that's my take on it.
[24:25.100 --> 24:29.420]  I don't think that this was legal at all what they did.
[24:29.420 --> 24:37.140]  There was no warrant if this fire marshal smelled marijuana, he should have called the
[24:37.140 --> 24:44.860]  police and somebody should have gotten a search warrant, but to just across the board, go
[24:44.860 --> 24:49.580]  into everyone's unit without a warrant, without their consent.
[24:49.580 --> 24:50.820]  I don't think so.
[24:50.820 --> 24:55.780]  So Randy, Eddie, what do y'all's take on this?
[24:55.780 --> 24:57.540]  You said this was Oakland, California?
[24:57.540 --> 25:04.860]  Yes, and the ACLU lawyers said that they violated California constitution and statute by doing
[25:04.860 --> 25:05.860]  this.
[25:05.860 --> 25:08.580]  Well, not just California's.
[25:08.580 --> 25:13.260]  This is not a matter that's in question in California.
[25:13.260 --> 25:19.700]  The matter of entering an apartment for the purpose of a code inspection has been well
[25:19.700 --> 25:22.980]  adjudicated by the California courts.
[25:22.980 --> 25:28.500]  I addressed that when I was in California the last time.
[25:28.500 --> 25:34.420]  Absolutely must have a warrant, period.
[25:34.420 --> 25:42.100]  There was a question, the client I was trying to help, they came to his business and they
[25:42.100 --> 25:46.340]  were allowed to move around in the public portion of the business, but under the guise
[25:46.340 --> 25:55.500]  of a code inspection, they came in with a SWAT team and ran through the whole building,
[25:55.500 --> 25:58.540]  and we did the research and absolutely not.
[25:58.540 --> 26:07.180]  They must have a warrant unless they are invited in and they were not invited in, period, into
[26:07.180 --> 26:09.620]  that story.
[26:09.620 --> 26:12.780]  No question, they know absolutely certain this is illegal.
[26:12.780 --> 26:19.140]  Okay, so these smart inspections, specialized multi-agency response teams, this is totally
[26:19.140 --> 26:24.260]  illegal on its face, and I think that they use this as a litmus test to see just how
[26:24.260 --> 26:26.620]  much the public is going to put up with.
[26:26.620 --> 26:36.380]  Is the public going to put up with the UN implementing its Agenda 21 through the local
[26:36.380 --> 26:43.460]  municipality governing officials, or is the public going to stand up and say, no, we have
[26:43.460 --> 26:48.660]  state laws here, global government cannot interfere?
[26:48.660 --> 26:56.340]  Again, this global government that is being set up, that has been set up for a long time,
[26:56.340 --> 26:58.860]  they're starting to bypass the federal government.
[26:58.860 --> 27:03.820]  They're starting to bypass even the state governments, even though they are using state
[27:03.820 --> 27:10.940]  and federal to implement this global government, but they are bypassing the state and federal
[27:10.940 --> 27:11.940]  government considerably.
[27:11.940 --> 27:19.820]  They are going directly to the municipal governments and the county commissioners and especially
[27:19.820 --> 27:21.660]  the enforcement agencies.
[27:21.660 --> 27:25.620]  They're even bypassing the city councils.
[27:25.620 --> 27:32.140]  These UN officials are going straight to the heads of these agencies, the fire departments,
[27:32.140 --> 27:40.140]  the police to implement these Agenda 21 policies, so folks really need to have a heads up here.
[27:40.140 --> 27:49.140]  This is not just a situation of random, rogue parking lot bully business, and it is completely
[27:49.140 --> 27:53.620]  in violation of state law and of constitution.
[27:53.620 --> 27:58.060]  Eddie, do you have any comments?
[27:58.060 --> 28:01.860]  Well, my comments are the same.
[28:01.860 --> 28:06.300]  This was nothing more than an end run around the necessity of a warrant.
[28:06.300 --> 28:12.460]  It was exactly what they tried to pull on me here in Nacogdoches with the dog catcher.
[28:12.460 --> 28:18.500]  The dog catcher was walking around on my property going into the back of my building to count
[28:18.500 --> 28:26.380]  the dogs on my property and brought several police officers with her, and I informed them
[28:26.380 --> 28:31.620]  all very quickly, one, this is a posted piece of property to which no public official may
[28:31.620 --> 28:33.980]  enter without my consent or a warrant.
[28:33.980 --> 28:34.980]  Do you have one?
[28:34.980 --> 28:36.980]  Well, we don't need one for this.
[28:36.980 --> 28:39.980]  Yes, you do.
[28:39.980 --> 28:41.620]  And she said, well, I could write you a ticket.
[28:41.620 --> 28:43.860]  I says, no, you can't.
[28:43.860 --> 28:45.100]  You're here illegally.
[28:45.100 --> 28:51.540]  You write the ticket, you're behind, get sued along with everybody that's with you.
[28:51.540 --> 28:54.740]  And the cops just stand around with stupid looks on their face and finally just look
[28:54.740 --> 28:56.540]  at her and says, well, what do you want to do?
[28:56.540 --> 28:59.780]  And she goes, well, we'll let it go this time.
[28:59.780 --> 29:01.100]  I says, no.
[29:01.100 --> 29:05.540]  What will happen this time is you need to remember there is a sign in that window that
[29:05.540 --> 29:10.780]  says you are not allowed on this property and you need to remember that you shall not
[29:10.780 --> 29:14.300]  enter this property again.
[29:14.300 --> 29:19.540]  And officers, I make it known to you that if she comes back, I will be pressing charges.
[29:19.540 --> 29:20.980]  And they all left.
[29:20.980 --> 29:25.500]  The question is whether or not you're willing to stand your ground for your rights, not
[29:25.500 --> 29:28.780]  just acquiesce to what they're doing.
[29:28.780 --> 29:33.540]  As long as you don't object and do so in a manner that shows you're not going to give
[29:33.540 --> 29:37.500]  in willingly, they're going to do it.
[29:37.500 --> 29:39.220]  You better believe it.
[29:39.220 --> 29:44.740]  Like I said, I think this whole Oakland scene was a litmus test of the public to see if
[29:44.740 --> 29:50.580]  people are going to acquiesce to the global government agenda 21 policies, or if we're
[29:50.580 --> 29:55.220]  going to say no, we have constitutions and we have laws and that we are a sovereign nation
[29:55.220 --> 29:57.660]  and a union of sovereign states.
[29:57.660 --> 30:01.220]  We'll be right back.
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[32:36.460 --> 32:38.220]  We've got Jimmy in North Carolina.
[32:38.220 --> 32:39.940]  Jimmy, thanks for calling in.
[32:39.940 --> 32:40.940]  What's on your mind tonight?
[32:40.940 --> 32:43.860]  Well, let me tell you what's on my mind.
[32:43.860 --> 32:51.260]  I've been named in a very complicated case, one of three defendants, in a case, in a federal
[32:51.260 --> 32:52.260]  case.
[32:52.260 --> 32:55.820]  I don't know where we should pick up at.
[32:55.820 --> 33:05.780]  The most recent happenings in the case is yesterday I had to appear at the federal courthouse
[33:05.780 --> 33:13.220]  in front of the federal judge, and at that time we were actually appearing so that the
[33:13.220 --> 33:19.860]  three defendants, myself, my current wife, my ex-wife, that had been named in this case,
[33:19.860 --> 33:22.380]  they were doing a jury selection.
[33:22.380 --> 33:27.780]  At that time, based on the previous meetings I've had with the court-appointed counseling
[33:27.780 --> 33:32.660]  that I've been given, I was very unsatisfied with him.
[33:32.660 --> 33:37.700]  Every single time that he and I had gotten together, we've never went over the discovery
[33:37.700 --> 33:43.740]  at all, not one single time that we sit down and went over the discovery or tried to build
[33:43.740 --> 33:51.580]  any type of case, he has tried to coerce me into taking a plea.
[33:51.580 --> 33:59.340]  He went so far as last week on our last meeting to tell me to my face verbatim that he had
[33:59.340 --> 34:05.580]  met with the government, the prosecuting DA and assistant DA, and that they were looking
[34:05.580 --> 34:07.580]  for a guilty plea.
[34:07.580 --> 34:15.100]  And if I would consider pleading out, they would be very lenient on the other two defendants
[34:15.100 --> 34:19.020]  named in the case, my wife and my ex-wife.
[34:19.020 --> 34:28.340]  And instead of trying to build some kind of proper defense, he has continued the past
[34:28.340 --> 34:37.180]  four months or so, six months actually, just working on trying to coerce me into a plea.
[34:37.180 --> 34:43.180]  And so whenever I appeared before the federal judge, I stood up before the court and I fired
[34:43.180 --> 34:45.500]  my attorney.
[34:45.500 --> 34:50.380]  I had been doing some research and according to what I've seen in a number of different
[34:50.380 --> 34:58.500]  avenues, trying to press the courts with the 1099 tax forms has been the only thing that
[34:58.500 --> 35:03.580]  I have found that might help, and so I introduced those into my case yesterday.
[35:03.580 --> 35:11.420]  I actually discovered your radio program this past weekend, and so I'm just trying to get
[35:11.420 --> 35:15.060]  some guidance on what direction to go.
[35:15.060 --> 35:20.580]  In addition to explaining to the judge that I had no intentions on this man representing
[35:20.580 --> 35:26.700]  me any longer and that I meant to speak for myself, the judge came back at that time and
[35:26.700 --> 35:31.380]  said I had waited too late, that he did not meet that right.
[35:31.380 --> 35:36.740]  And I stood there in front of the judge and I said, Judge, I will not contract any further
[35:36.740 --> 35:37.740]  with this man.
[35:37.740 --> 35:44.260]  He does not represent me, and I will not recognize this man representing me.
[35:44.260 --> 35:46.580]  And so they continued on.
[35:46.580 --> 35:48.700]  They done their jury selection.
[35:48.700 --> 35:54.660]  I explained to the judge during the jury selection, I broke in, that I needed these tax forms
[35:54.660 --> 36:01.300]  filled out, and the judge asked me what kind of forms they were, so I sent him a copy.
[36:01.300 --> 36:05.460]  I was up there with the bailiff, and I handed a couple of the other attorneys that copy,
[36:05.460 --> 36:07.660]  meaning I had the moment.
[36:07.660 --> 36:13.460]  And I don't know if it had any real effect or not, but some four hours later, after they
[36:13.460 --> 36:19.100]  had picked a jury, the judge instructed the jury, all the other members that were there
[36:19.100 --> 36:25.340]  for jury duty, anyone else that's not directly associated with this case, out of the courtroom,
[36:25.340 --> 36:32.980]  and he addressed me and told me upon further consideration, he decided that I should be
[36:32.980 --> 36:38.740]  allowed to represent myself if that's what I've chosen to do, but he was making the
[36:38.740 --> 36:49.660]  other attorney who had previously been assigned to me available for counsel or anything else
[36:49.660 --> 36:50.660]  that I might need.
[36:50.660 --> 36:58.900]  At that time, I requested from the court to have all of the discovery released to me so
[36:58.900 --> 37:03.780]  that I could have access to it, that I may prepare for a proper case.
[37:03.780 --> 37:11.180]  The case is supposed to come before the court the 27th of this month, July, and I was denied
[37:11.180 --> 37:13.460]  the discovery.
[37:13.460 --> 37:23.180]  The prosecuting DA got up and was extremely upset and trying to force the judge's hand
[37:23.180 --> 37:28.620]  and allow me not to have the discovery, and they were stating on the fact that this case
[37:28.620 --> 37:34.980]  was sealed, that there were special circumstances, and that they could not have the discovery
[37:34.980 --> 37:41.300]  allowed to me, that it had been given to the attorney who was representing me, and that
[37:41.300 --> 37:48.300]  if I needed to review or view this discovery, it ought to stand that I would have to travel
[37:48.300 --> 37:54.860]  an hour and a half in one direction to this attorney's office in Charlotte, North Carolina,
[37:54.860 --> 37:58.820]  in order to view the discovery and build my case.
[37:58.820 --> 38:08.620]  Now, mind you, the case is on the 27th, which gives like 12 business days of possible access,
[38:08.620 --> 38:14.900]  and here I am, a full-time, full-time employed individual, working, trying to provide for
[38:14.900 --> 38:18.780]  my family, continue to pay my bills, and I have to take...
[38:18.780 --> 38:19.780]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[38:19.780 --> 38:22.260]  Do you have a question for us?
[38:22.260 --> 38:23.260]  Okay.
[38:23.260 --> 38:24.980]  Do I have a question for you?
[38:24.980 --> 38:25.980]  Yeah.
[38:25.980 --> 38:29.140]  Yes, I have a question for you, given some of the history there.
[38:29.140 --> 38:38.580]  My question is, number one of which, can this judge and this DA actually keep the discovery
[38:38.580 --> 38:39.580]  from me?
[38:39.580 --> 38:42.060]  No, they can't.
[38:42.060 --> 38:46.700]  What I suggest you do first is file a bar grievance against that attorney for failing
[38:46.700 --> 38:55.500]  to properly adjudicate your case, and I also suggest that you do not represent yourself.
[38:55.500 --> 39:03.380]  They'll screw you a while if you represent yourself, but go back to the court and tell
[39:03.380 --> 39:09.620]  him you decided you want this attorney to represent you after you file a bar grievance
[39:09.620 --> 39:10.620]  against him.
[39:10.620 --> 39:11.620]  Okay.
[39:11.620 --> 39:20.700]  The attorney's going to have a fit when you grieve him, and you let him know if he does
[39:20.700 --> 39:27.500]  anything that... if he fails to do anything that would help your case, you're going to
[39:27.500 --> 39:32.620]  file a grievance against him again and sue him.
[39:32.620 --> 39:34.260]  Make his life miserable.
[39:34.260 --> 39:40.500]  Give him reason to do his job, and you might, before you do that, file a petition for writ
[39:40.500 --> 39:51.180]  of mandamus to the court of appeals, challenging their ruling on your discovery.
[39:51.180 --> 39:52.180]  A petition for what now?
[39:52.180 --> 39:53.180]  Rit of mandamus.
[39:53.180 --> 39:54.180]  A writ of mandamus.
[39:54.180 --> 39:55.180]  Okay.
[39:55.180 --> 39:56.180]  All right.
[39:56.180 --> 39:57.180]  Yeah.
[39:57.180 --> 40:05.380]  You can go to this attorney and say, since you're supposed to do everything I want, you
[40:05.380 --> 40:07.980]  tell me exactly how to file a writ of mandamus.
[40:07.980 --> 40:18.580]  If he gives you one ounce of crapola, then take with you... go to your state bar site.
[40:18.580 --> 40:24.860]  Just Google North Carolina State Bar Association and download a grievance form and have a whole
[40:24.860 --> 40:30.900]  stack of them in front of you, and tell him what you want, and when he gives you any crapola
[40:30.900 --> 40:35.660]  at all, you just take out the grievance and start filling it out.
[40:35.660 --> 40:42.020]  In addition to the question that I asked you previously, another issue that I'm having
[40:42.020 --> 40:50.740]  in this entire case is that the investigating officers for the government have been cohorsing
[40:50.740 --> 40:56.740]  people and actually manufacturing evidence and manipulating...
[40:56.740 --> 40:59.340]  File criminal charges against him.
[40:59.340 --> 41:03.780]  That's what I'm interested in doing, but how do I do about filing criminal charges against
[41:03.780 --> 41:08.460]  the FBI and the Secret Service?
[41:08.460 --> 41:11.460]  Well, look up...
[41:11.460 --> 41:13.940]  Do you have a complaint filed against you?
[41:13.940 --> 41:14.940]  Yes.
[41:14.940 --> 41:17.860]  I've been named in the complaint.
[41:17.860 --> 41:18.860]  Yeah.
[41:18.860 --> 41:19.860]  Okay.
[41:19.860 --> 41:23.300]  Get a copy of the complaint and look at it.
[41:23.300 --> 41:24.780]  I have that.
[41:24.780 --> 41:25.780]  Okay.
[41:25.780 --> 41:26.780]  Okay.
[41:26.780 --> 41:27.780]  Make up a complaint against them.
[41:27.780 --> 41:30.940]  We're using the same format.
[41:30.940 --> 41:35.660]  In the Fed, when you fill out a complaint, they want you to make the complaint in the
[41:35.660 --> 41:40.540]  language of the statute you accuse him of violating.
[41:40.540 --> 41:46.940]  Aggravated perjury, tampering with a government document if they put a false statement on
[41:46.940 --> 41:47.940]  a government document.
[41:47.940 --> 41:48.940]  Okay.
[41:48.940 --> 41:52.580]  There are probably a whole stack you can file.
[41:52.580 --> 41:58.500]  And if you don't know the names, you can say unnamed Secret Service agent or unnamed FBI
[41:58.500 --> 41:59.500]  agent.
[41:59.500 --> 42:00.500]  Yeah, I have their names.
[42:00.500 --> 42:01.500]  Okay.
[42:01.500 --> 42:02.500]  Yeah.
[42:02.500 --> 42:03.500]  Okay.
[42:03.500 --> 42:10.380]  What I'm trying to do here is the reason this whole issue has come up is because there's
[42:10.380 --> 42:15.660]  a gentleman involved with this who has got the government to basically represent him
[42:15.660 --> 42:17.900]  in this case or take on this case.
[42:17.900 --> 42:20.340]  He was very politically connected.
[42:20.340 --> 42:25.140]  This should have been a civil matter and he was able to get the FBI and the Secret Service
[42:25.140 --> 42:30.860]  involved simply from his political aspect, his political pool and connections.
[42:30.860 --> 42:40.100]  And in so doing, the government, I mean, they are just out here turning over every stone,
[42:40.100 --> 42:47.740]  shaking every bush, but instead of them concentrating on the truth, like I say, they're manufacturing.
[42:47.740 --> 42:49.420]  Okay, wait, wait.
[42:49.420 --> 42:50.420]  We understand this.
[42:50.420 --> 42:52.940]  On this show, we understand this part.
[42:52.940 --> 42:53.940]  Right.
[42:53.940 --> 42:56.540]  We get this all the time.
[42:56.540 --> 42:57.740]  Right.
[42:57.740 --> 43:02.540]  We understand that the police, if their mouth is moving, they're lying.
[43:02.540 --> 43:03.540]  They call it testifying.
[43:03.540 --> 43:04.540]  That's right.
[43:04.540 --> 43:05.540]  Yeah.
[43:05.540 --> 43:06.540]  Yeah.
[43:06.540 --> 43:11.460]  They practice to see who can outlie the other.
[43:11.460 --> 43:13.220]  This is what our police have come to.
[43:13.220 --> 43:16.620]  So don't take it lying down.
[43:16.620 --> 43:18.440]  File criminal charges against them.
[43:18.440 --> 43:22.940]  One thing you might look at is the indictment.
[43:22.940 --> 43:24.300]  Okay.
[43:24.300 --> 43:25.300]  How were you indicted?
[43:25.300 --> 43:26.300]  Now let me explain that.
[43:26.300 --> 43:27.300]  Okay.
[43:27.300 --> 43:31.580]  And we only got about 30 seconds and then we have to move on after the break.
[43:31.580 --> 43:32.580]  Okay.
[43:32.580 --> 43:33.580]  Come on.
[43:33.580 --> 43:34.580]  Okay.
[43:34.580 --> 43:37.060]  My wife was indicted on a complaint charge.
[43:37.060 --> 43:42.700]  I was actually indicted by a grand jury indictment.
[43:42.700 --> 43:45.380]  Wait a minute.
[43:45.380 --> 43:46.380]  That doesn't make sense.
[43:46.380 --> 43:50.220]  Let's address that just for a few minutes on the other side and then we'll go to our
[43:50.220 --> 43:51.220]  next call.
[43:51.220 --> 43:52.220]  Okay.
[43:52.220 --> 43:53.820]  Our next time caller is Kevin and Bill.
[43:53.820 --> 43:56.080]  If y'all would just please hang in there.
[43:56.080 --> 43:57.300]  We will get to you as soon as we're finished with Jimmy.
[43:57.300 --> 43:58.300]  We'll be right back.
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[47:22.140 --> 47:31.140]  What I was discussing with Randy on the break concerning appeals versus mandamus, and I discussed this issue with Frederick Graves and with Harmon Taylor,
[47:31.140 --> 47:44.140]  who Harmon Taylor sued the federal government for an injunction for stay of execution of Timothy McVeigh once it came out that really he had nothing to do with what actually happened at the Oklahoma City bombing.
[47:44.140 --> 47:55.140]  At any rate, Harmon told me a good rule of thumb. He said, you always want to pursue all possible remedies in law before you start pursuing remedies.
[47:55.140 --> 47:56.140]  Randy?
[47:56.140 --> 47:57.140]  Yes.
[47:57.140 --> 47:58.140]  Okay.
[47:58.140 --> 48:05.140]  You always want to pursue all possible remedies in law before you start pursuing remedies in equity.
[48:05.140 --> 48:16.140]  Otherwise, the court will say that you didn't pursue all possible other remedies first. So writ of mandamus is a remedy in equity, and it's an extraordinary measure.
[48:16.140 --> 48:25.140]  And so that's why I was asking Randy on the break, is there any kind of appeal like an interlocutory appeal that would be more appropriate to pursue first before pursuing writ of mandamus?
[48:25.140 --> 48:31.140]  Otherwise, if you do the mandamus first, of course, it's going to throw it out. So anyway, go ahead, Randy.
[48:31.140 --> 48:34.140]  You were going to discuss about the indictments with Jimmy.
[48:34.140 --> 48:44.140]  About the indictments. The reason I asked about the indictments is the US attorney has a rubber stamp with the foreman's name on it.
[48:44.140 --> 48:45.140]  Right.
[48:45.140 --> 49:01.140]  So if this was a superseding indictment, if the indictment came after charges had been filed in the case and after the case had been investigated, they later came along and got this indictment.
[49:01.140 --> 49:12.140]  Good chance it's a superseding indictment and good chance the grand jury never heard it, that the prosecutor attorney just used his rubber stamp on it.
[49:12.140 --> 49:30.140]  So look at the date you were indicted and then request the bill or the voucher from the court reporter who did the reporting for the grand jury on that day.
[49:30.140 --> 49:37.140]  And see if they actually met on that day. They caught someone in California just like that.
[49:37.140 --> 49:50.140]  That the day there was an indictment, no court reporter put in a voucher for transfer report for recording the proceedings.
[49:50.140 --> 49:57.140]  And that is most of what goes on in the grand jury is secret. If you go to the court and try to get information, they'll try to hide it.
[49:57.140 --> 50:05.140]  But financial information about the financial operations of the court cannot be held secret.
[50:05.140 --> 50:17.140]  And if you find that nobody put in a voucher, there's a good chance the prosecuting attorney stamped the indictment, then you can call the foreman of the grand jury to find out if they really did indict you.
[50:17.140 --> 50:19.140]  That was the issue on the indictment.
[50:19.140 --> 50:28.140]  Well, now here's the thing. My wife was never indicted. They came and arrested her a month before they came and arrested me on a complaint warrant.
[50:28.140 --> 50:34.140]  She's never received an actual indictment for arrest, and yet she's named in the case.
[50:34.140 --> 50:44.140]  I mean, a number of things have been done wrong. When they picked her up, they picked her up at 8 o'clock that morning, they denied her to have an attorney present.
[50:44.140 --> 50:52.140]  She requested one nine times, and they held her to 2.30 that afternoon before they transferred her in front of a magistrate judge.
[50:52.140 --> 51:09.140]  They transferred her from my home an hour and a half north of 2 Charlotte to the federal courthouse, and they badged her and continued to try to get her to make testimony into the direction that they were required.
[51:09.140 --> 51:26.140]  But it looked to me like she was mishandled. She was basically kidnapped and assaulted and battered, from what I understand, and then denied to have an attorney present while they were trying to interrogate her.
[51:26.140 --> 51:34.140]  Did they gather any information that they will attempt to use against her during that questioning?
[51:34.140 --> 51:44.140]  They took information that she has had conflicting statements about. She said that they continue to suggest things to her.
[51:44.140 --> 51:49.140]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's not the question I asked.
[51:49.140 --> 51:59.140]  Well, yes. The question for you is the answer is yes. The information that they find that they gathered, they are wanting to use into the trial.
[51:59.140 --> 52:08.140]  And this is information they gathered from the questioning of her after she requested counsel?
[52:08.140 --> 52:09.140]  Yes.
[52:09.140 --> 52:16.140]  And if any of that information was used to pursue investigation of you, it's all fruit of the poison tree?
[52:16.140 --> 52:19.140]  It has been. It has been.
[52:19.140 --> 52:25.140]  Has your attorney filed a motion to strike all of that evidence?
[52:25.140 --> 52:27.140]  No, he hasn't.
[52:27.140 --> 52:31.140]  File a bar grievance against him for that.
[52:31.140 --> 52:32.140]  Okay.
[52:32.140 --> 52:41.140]  And then, you know, file a bar grievance against him for everything you can think of. You'll put the court in a position to where they have to protect the attorney from you.
[52:41.140 --> 52:43.140]  Okay.
[52:43.140 --> 52:47.140]  I got one beat that way. It wasn't in the federal court. It was in the state.
[52:47.140 --> 52:57.140]  Is there any chance that I could get a motion for dismissal at this time when we're 19 days away from the day of the trial?
[52:57.140 --> 53:06.140]  Yes, there is. If they really don't have evidence against you and they're trying to use you to get evidence against someone else, there's a good chance you can.
[53:06.140 --> 53:10.140]  Is there anyone else more important than you and your wife involved in the issue?
[53:10.140 --> 53:25.140]  Well, no. Here's the deal. They feel like the evidence is due to my wife, and they claim that she's improperly managed the company, but they want me.
[53:25.140 --> 53:32.140]  They're pointing a finger at me. They have named me – actually, this is comical – Weasel Gotti.
[53:32.140 --> 53:40.140]  Literally, they use that terminology. John Gotti, I'm Weasel Gotti. They say, oh, he's always weaseling his way out of things.
[53:40.140 --> 53:52.140]  And I mean, I don't have any big, long records or any problems, but this is something that the Secret Service agent himself got on the stand and testified to.
[53:52.140 --> 53:58.140]  And I mean, they were – they held me for like 10 days before they offered a bond here.
[53:58.140 --> 54:06.140]  And I just – Have you raised – have you filed motions based on those issues?
[54:06.140 --> 54:14.140]  Well, I haven't at all. Just only yesterday was I recognized that I could actually represent my help.
[54:14.140 --> 54:17.140]  Okay. Do you have jurisdictionary?
[54:17.140 --> 54:18.140]  I'm sorry?
[54:18.140 --> 54:31.140]  Do you have jurisdictionary? It's a course that we offer that Dr. Frederick Graves put out. You might want to look on our website and order jurisdictionary.
[54:31.140 --> 54:32.140]  Go through that course.
[54:32.140 --> 54:33.140]  Okay.
[54:33.140 --> 54:37.140]  That will give you a primer. This is your life you're looking at here.
[54:37.140 --> 54:38.140]  Excellent.
[54:38.140 --> 54:50.140]  So find – this is the best, quickest way you can – it's a 24-hour course. Get it. Go through it as quickly as you can. This will give you the basics you need to help yourself.
[54:50.140 --> 55:00.140]  Yeah. If you scroll down on the home page of ruleoflawradio.com, you'll see a banner that says, win your lawsuit without a lawyer. That's the jurisdictionary.
[55:00.140 --> 55:06.140]  This will tell you about all the different motions, when to file them, how to file them, how to handle yourself in court.
[55:06.140 --> 55:12.140]  Don't even think of going into court until you know the rules, until you know what's going on.
[55:12.140 --> 55:20.140]  Okay. Well, this is why we contacted you guys, because it seemed to me that you had quite a bit of experience in this.
[55:20.140 --> 55:26.140]  Yeah. We do, but the problem is on the show here, your issue is too complex.
[55:26.140 --> 55:27.140]  It's correct.
[55:27.140 --> 55:38.140]  You're telling us part of it because it is so complex, and we're kind of reluctant to say, do this, do that, or the other, without really knowing what all's going on.
[55:38.140 --> 55:42.140]  Well, we can't tell them, do this, do that, anyway, because we can't give legal advice. We're not attorneys.
[55:42.140 --> 55:44.140]  Sure. You just made suggestions. I understand.
[55:44.140 --> 55:57.140]  Yeah. These are, you know, what I would do in this, what I think I would do in this position, but we can't, we don't have time to learn enough over something this sophisticated to give you really good advice.
[55:57.140 --> 56:06.140]  The best I could give you is go to the jurisdictionary. Then when you come back, you'll be asking us a whole lot more sophisticated questions.
[56:06.140 --> 56:07.140]  Okay. Okay.
[56:07.140 --> 56:17.140]  And you'll begin to make it hot for these guys on the other side. The things I've been asking you, if you have done, you will probably have done them by the time you get through at jurisdictionary.
[56:17.140 --> 56:19.140]  Okay. Very good.
[56:19.140 --> 56:32.140]  So keep listening, and we need to move along. We've got some callers that are probably getting impatient, and I appreciate your call, and this is your life. You need to get to work and come up to speed.
[56:32.140 --> 56:34.140]  Thank you very much for all your help.
[56:34.140 --> 56:40.140]  Okay. Thank you, Jimmy, and you can also download the archive to hear this conversation again.
[56:40.140 --> 56:43.140]  Absolutely. I've got my computer on standby.
[56:43.140 --> 56:44.140]  Okay. Thank you, Jimmy.
[56:44.140 --> 56:46.140]  Thank you. Have a good evening.
[56:46.140 --> 56:51.140]  Okay. We're about to come up to the top of the hour break, but we'll go ahead and start getting into the calls.
[56:51.140 --> 57:00.140]  Kevin from Texas and then Bill from Idaho, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, probably out there listening on the FM station in Coeur d'Alene.
[57:00.140 --> 57:04.140]  Bill, just hang on. We'll get to you next. We're going to go to Kevin in Texas right now.
[57:04.140 --> 57:08.140]  Kevin in Austin, thanks for calling in. What is on your mind tonight?
[57:08.140 --> 57:11.140]  Good evening, fellow patriots.
[57:11.140 --> 57:19.140]  I've got a court date on the 16th. It's for a family violence charge.
[57:19.140 --> 57:34.140]  I know it's a misdemeanor. I think it might be class three or something. Actually, it was a fight between my wife and my son over a coat.
[57:34.140 --> 57:40.140]  She had my daughter called 911, so I told my son, let's leave.
[57:40.140 --> 57:47.140]  I never touched her, and I never have touched her in the whole 20 years we've been married.
[57:47.140 --> 57:55.140]  The Sheriff's Department got there after we left, and she claimed her bruises were caused by me.
[57:55.140 --> 58:03.140]  My son said he's willing to testify in court that it was a fight between her, his mother, and him.
[58:03.140 --> 58:08.140]  What do you think my first bet should be?
[58:08.140 --> 58:10.140]  How old is your son?
[58:10.140 --> 58:13.140]  He's almost 19.
[58:13.140 --> 58:17.140]  That wound up being a problem for him, then.
[58:17.140 --> 58:22.140]  Would she not have to press the charges?
[58:22.140 --> 58:31.140]  No, that's not true, because in the state of Texas, the police can initiate pressing charges regarding family violence.
[58:31.140 --> 58:41.140]  That's a specific statute of family violence, because they found that victims would be reluctant to press charges for fear of further retaliation.
[58:41.140 --> 58:44.140]  We're going to be talking about this some more on the other side.
[58:44.140 --> 58:50.140]  Family violence issues are very, very important and very dangerous, even at the misdemeanor level,
[58:50.140 --> 58:56.140]  because under federal law, if you're convicted, then you lose your right to own firearms.
[58:56.140 --> 59:01.140]  We'll be discussing this some more on the other side. Hang on.
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[59:10.140 --> 59:12.140]  Well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
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[01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:11.140]  In Afghanistan, three UN staff members were killed Thursday by a roadside bomb in Pawan Province.
[01:00:11.140 --> 01:00:21.140]  Europe's highest court Thursday said it would not allow Abu Hamza and three other men held in Britain to be extradited to the US to face terrorism charges.
[01:00:21.140 --> 01:00:24.140]  Until it is satisfied, they will not be treated inhumanely.
[01:00:24.140 --> 01:00:31.140]  The court's decision means it will, in effect, sit in judgment on parts of the US criminal justice system.
[01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:35.140]  Senator Joe Lieberman told a news conference in Jerusalem Wednesday,
[01:00:35.140 --> 01:00:42.140]  there is wide support in Congress for using all means to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear power,
[01:00:42.140 --> 01:00:45.140]  quote, through military actions if we must, adding,
[01:00:45.140 --> 01:00:51.140]  a certain trumpet needs to be sounded for the Iranian regime to hear.
[01:00:51.140 --> 01:00:55.140]  Transocean is the world's largest offshore drilling company,
[01:00:55.140 --> 01:00:58.140]  but until its Deepwater Horizon rig exploded in April,
[01:00:58.140 --> 01:01:01.140]  few people outside the energy business had heard of it.
[01:01:01.140 --> 01:01:06.140]  However, the company is well known in other countries for testing local laws and regulations.
[01:01:06.140 --> 01:01:12.140]  Human rights advocates have called for an investigation into Transocean's recent dealings in Myanmar.
[01:01:12.140 --> 01:01:18.140]  They cite its involvement in a drilling project that included a company suspected of having ties
[01:01:18.140 --> 01:01:24.140]  to two men accused of laundering money from Myanmar's government, which is under US trade sanctions.
[01:01:24.140 --> 01:01:28.140]  Transocean states in Securities and Exchange Commission filings
[01:01:28.140 --> 01:01:32.140]  its drilling equipment was shipped by a forwarder through Iran,
[01:01:32.140 --> 01:01:36.140]  and until last year it held a stake in a company doing business in Syria.
[01:01:36.140 --> 01:01:40.140]  The State Department says both countries sponsor terrorism.
[01:01:40.140 --> 01:01:44.140]  And in Norway, the company says Norwegian officials could assess it,
[01:01:44.140 --> 01:01:49.140]  $840 million in taxes and penalties for tax fraud.
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[01:01:53.140 --> 01:01:57.140]  The New York Times reports Afghan construction companies working on contracts
[01:01:57.140 --> 01:02:03.140]  for US and NATO military bases have accused US middlemen of reneging on payments
[01:02:03.140 --> 01:02:08.140]  and in one case of leaving the country, owing hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars.
[01:02:08.140 --> 01:02:14.140]  The failure of US companies to pay for contracted work has left hundreds of Afghan workers unpaid
[01:02:14.140 --> 01:02:20.140]  in southern Afghanistan and dozens of factories and small businesses deep in debt.
[01:02:20.140 --> 01:02:24.140]  A military official with the International Security Assistance Force said,
[01:02:24.140 --> 01:02:31.140]  families, relatives, friends, village and tribal elders all know that ISAF does not pay for the work,
[01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:36.140]  so one can understand why they may say, we should get these Western soldiers out of here.
[01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:44.140]  One Afghan businessman, Jalaluddin Saeed, said he is owed $1.5 million by Bennett Foosh LLC of Michigan
[01:02:44.140 --> 01:02:51.140]  to provide concrete barriers for US and NATO military bases and has had to move his family
[01:02:51.140 --> 01:02:54.140]  to avoid his many angry creditors.
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[01:03:36.140 --> 01:04:04.140]  Okay, we are back folks.
[01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:12.140]  We are speaking with Kevin in Texas talking about domestic violence issues
[01:04:12.140 --> 01:04:17.140]  and yes, we did not find a specific statute on the break.
[01:04:17.140 --> 01:04:19.140]  I had to screen some calls.
[01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:24.140]  However, I do know for sure that there is a specific statute in Texas
[01:04:24.140 --> 01:04:32.140]  that was passed by the legislature a few years ago specifically relating to domestic family violence
[01:04:32.140 --> 01:04:38.140]  where even if the alleged victim is not willing to press charges or fill out an affidavit
[01:04:38.140 --> 01:04:41.140]  or a sign under penalty of perjury or any of these things,
[01:04:41.140 --> 01:04:48.140]  the police, if they see evidence at the alleged crime scene that they believe is evidence
[01:04:48.140 --> 01:04:53.140]  of some type of domestic violence, then they can initiate a case.
[01:04:53.140 --> 01:05:00.140]  And the reasoning for the state legislature for passing that law was that there are so many cases
[01:05:00.140 --> 01:05:09.140]  of domestic violence where the victim would refuse to pursue pressing charges for fear
[01:05:09.140 --> 01:05:13.140]  of retaliation from the alleged abuser.
[01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:18.140]  And so folks, listen, anybody that's out there within the sound of my voice, please,
[01:05:18.140 --> 01:05:26.140]  please do not use the police as a means of settling family disputes because it can be,
[01:05:26.140 --> 01:05:32.140]  it can turn into something very serious and spiral way out of your control in directions
[01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:37.140]  and areas that you never intended or could possibly foresee.
[01:05:37.140 --> 01:05:44.140]  And people who are convicted of domestic violence at a misdemeanor level,
[01:05:44.140 --> 01:05:50.140]  you will lose your right to purchase and own firearms under federal law.
[01:05:50.140 --> 01:05:52.140]  So it is a very serious issue.
[01:05:52.140 --> 01:05:57.140]  Now, Kevin, you're saying that your son is willing to testify that the fight
[01:05:57.140 --> 01:06:04.140]  or the dispute was between him and your wife and I guess someone else.
[01:06:04.140 --> 01:06:12.140]  As Eddie says, this could end up being a problem for the son because the son could be prosecuted
[01:06:12.140 --> 01:06:17.140]  and possibly lose his right to purchase and bear firearms.
[01:06:17.140 --> 01:06:25.140]  However, you know, I'm not sure if in that particular situation the wife would have to
[01:06:25.140 --> 01:06:29.140]  allege that the son caused the bruises or something like that,
[01:06:29.140 --> 01:06:32.140]  but this could turn into a very serious situation.
[01:06:32.140 --> 01:06:35.140]  Eddie, you want to comment some more on this?
[01:06:35.140 --> 01:06:39.140]  Well, what it's going to actually turn out to be is this.
[01:06:39.140 --> 01:06:45.140]  If she persists in pressing the charges against you and your son testifies to the contrary,
[01:06:45.140 --> 01:06:53.140]  then what's going to happen is that the police officers are then going to charge him themselves.
[01:06:53.140 --> 01:06:59.140]  She is going to lose control of the situation and who gets prosecuted for whatever reason
[01:06:59.140 --> 01:07:01.140]  simply because her charges were bogus,
[01:07:01.140 --> 01:07:08.140]  which means she could have a false police report charged filed against her.
[01:07:08.140 --> 01:07:13.140]  But that still puts your son in danger of prosecution.
[01:07:13.140 --> 01:07:21.140]  So someone needs to make it clear to this woman that the bruises were not done by you,
[01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:26.140]  and if she goes beyond any admission other than that, she imperils her son.
[01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:29.140]  Now, it was not a fist fight.
[01:07:29.140 --> 01:07:34.140]  It was at least a 10-minute struggle over a coat.
[01:07:34.140 --> 01:07:38.140]  That's not going to make any difference to the courts who could care less.
[01:07:38.140 --> 01:07:41.140]  All they want is to get you in the system.
[01:07:41.140 --> 01:07:44.140]  They don't care about what the argument was about.
[01:07:44.140 --> 01:07:46.140]  They don't care what did or didn't happen.
[01:07:46.140 --> 01:07:49.140]  Believe me, they don't.
[01:07:49.140 --> 01:07:53.140]  They absolutely do not care.
[01:07:53.140 --> 01:07:58.140]  They want the money, and they want you in the system that they've created
[01:07:58.140 --> 01:08:01.140]  for the purpose of collecting that money.
[01:08:01.140 --> 01:08:03.140]  What's my penalty, maximum?
[01:08:03.140 --> 01:08:06.140]  I mean, should I go through a jury trial with that,
[01:08:06.140 --> 01:08:09.140]  detray the prosecutor from pursuing?
[01:08:09.140 --> 01:08:11.140]  No, it's not going to dissuade him.
[01:08:11.140 --> 01:08:18.140]  In fact, it's most likely going to ensure exactly what we're talking about,
[01:08:18.140 --> 01:08:21.140]  because at trial, one of two things has to happen here.
[01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:26.140]  You or your son is going to have to give testimony on your own behalf,
[01:08:26.140 --> 01:08:34.140]  and they can still charge either of you after the trial is over.
[01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:37.140]  Are you being fined me guilty?
[01:08:37.140 --> 01:08:42.140]  Or they could find you guilty, whether you did it or not.
[01:08:42.140 --> 01:08:45.140]  You know what, my maximum time in jail?
[01:08:45.140 --> 01:08:51.140]  It all depends on what level of offense they try to make it.
[01:08:51.140 --> 01:08:58.140]  Anything from Class B up can be jail time.
[01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:06.140]  If it's a Class B misdemeanor or a Class A misdemeanor, either of those can mean jail.
[01:09:06.140 --> 01:09:12.140]  Okay, now I've got a restraining order,
[01:09:12.140 --> 01:09:21.140]  and it's from the municipal court in the city of Austin, but I do not live in Austin.
[01:09:21.140 --> 01:09:23.140]  Does that make a difference?
[01:09:23.140 --> 01:09:24.140]  No, it doesn't.
[01:09:24.140 --> 01:09:25.140]  Okay.
[01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:31.140]  Now, the other thing is, is it an order against you or is it an order requested by you?
[01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:33.140]  An order against me.
[01:09:33.140 --> 01:09:35.140]  Okay.
[01:09:35.140 --> 01:09:40.140]  Was the order, does your wife live in Austin?
[01:09:40.140 --> 01:09:42.140]  Yes, sir.
[01:09:42.140 --> 01:09:45.140]  Okay, then you'd have to come to Austin.
[01:09:45.140 --> 01:09:47.140]  No, she lives in Travis County.
[01:09:47.140 --> 01:09:48.140]  It's unincorporated.
[01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:54.140]  I'm not understanding how the Austin municipal court could issue a restraining order.
[01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:57.140]  It would seem that the county court would have to do that.
[01:09:57.140 --> 01:10:01.140]  That's what I thought.
[01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:06.140]  The thing is, is the municipal court would not have jurisdiction of a family violence case.
[01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:09.140]  Yeah, that's what I thought too.
[01:10:09.140 --> 01:10:12.140]  That's why I was saying the county court would have to do that.
[01:10:12.140 --> 01:10:16.140]  It gives the cause number of the state of Texas, my name below it,
[01:10:16.140 --> 01:10:21.140]  and it says in the municipal court, state of Austin, Texas.
[01:10:21.140 --> 01:10:25.140]  Unless it's a court of record.
[01:10:25.140 --> 01:10:31.140]  Municipal courts may be authorized to issue restraining orders in certain limited circumstances,
[01:10:31.140 --> 01:10:39.140]  but if she lives outside of the city of Austin and you live outside the city of Austin,
[01:10:39.140 --> 01:10:43.140]  I can't see where the municipal court could have subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:44.140]  And it's signed by the judge.
[01:10:44.140 --> 01:10:48.140]  It says municipal court, city of Austin, Texas.
[01:10:48.140 --> 01:10:55.140]  Then just as a test, file criminal charges against the judge for acting without jurisdiction
[01:10:55.140 --> 01:11:01.140]  and abuse of service of process, or abuse of process rather.
[01:11:01.140 --> 01:11:05.140]  But let me qualify something.
[01:11:05.140 --> 01:11:09.140]  Spouse of abuse or family violence is a really serious issue,
[01:11:09.140 --> 01:11:12.140]  and we certainly don't mean to make light of it.
[01:11:12.140 --> 01:11:20.140]  And the legislature in passing this legislation did so with good reason,
[01:11:20.140 --> 01:11:27.140]  because in cases where there truly is family violence,
[01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:36.140]  if you have a husband beating up a wife, then it puts her in terror of her life.
[01:11:36.140 --> 01:11:42.140]  And we need someone to be able to step in and intervene.
[01:11:42.140 --> 01:11:48.140]  So we're not saying that this is anything wrong with this statute,
[01:11:48.140 --> 01:11:51.140]  and that you shouldn't use it.
[01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:54.140]  We're not saying you shouldn't use it if it's appropriate.
[01:11:54.140 --> 01:11:59.140]  Yeah, and honestly, this statute doesn't really give the police any extra special powers
[01:11:59.140 --> 01:12:02.140]  or authority than what they already had,
[01:12:02.140 --> 01:12:10.140]  because when the police make testimony, they do so in their capacity as a sovereign citizen.
[01:12:10.140 --> 01:12:14.140]  They don't do so in their capacity as a police officer.
[01:12:14.140 --> 01:12:21.140]  So in any situation, it's already the case that if the police see evidence of a crime,
[01:12:21.140 --> 01:12:26.140]  they give their testimony in their capacity, not as a police officer,
[01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:28.140]  but in their capacity as a citizen.
[01:12:28.140 --> 01:12:34.140]  And so if they show up on a property and they see evidence of a crime,
[01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:38.140]  then they can submit testimony and affidavits to that effect.
[01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:45.140]  So this statute doesn't really give the police anything extra than they already had.
[01:12:45.140 --> 01:12:49.140]  It just specifically enumerates it to...
[01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:51.140]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:12:51.140 --> 01:12:55.140]  What it did, I think, was address policy.
[01:12:55.140 --> 01:13:00.140]  It stipulated what the policy of all of these departments would be.
[01:13:00.140 --> 01:13:07.140]  In the case of an accusation of family violence, you will arrest one of the parties.
[01:13:07.140 --> 01:13:14.140]  And that was intended to get them separated as a cooling off period.
[01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:17.140]  Well, I didn't think that the statute said you will arrest someone,
[01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:25.140]  but that they could use their own testimony of evidence to initiate a prosecution.
[01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:34.140]  The statute directs them that on an accusation of family violence, they must arrest.
[01:13:34.140 --> 01:13:36.140]  Okay, well, I need to read that because I haven't seen that.
[01:13:36.140 --> 01:13:42.140]  I just saw that it allows them to use testimony to initiate a case.
[01:13:42.140 --> 01:13:43.140]  I didn't see anything about that.
[01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:45.140]  They have to arrest somebody.
[01:13:45.140 --> 01:13:47.140]  Well, it's already the case anyway.
[01:13:47.140 --> 01:13:49.140]  It's their duty to arrest.
[01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:56.140]  But in this case, it could be challenged as not constitutional
[01:13:56.140 --> 01:14:03.140]  because if someone is accused of family violence,
[01:14:03.140 --> 01:14:05.140]  the police didn't necessarily see or hear it.
[01:14:05.140 --> 01:14:08.140]  I think that they have to see evidence.
[01:14:08.140 --> 01:14:13.140]  They still can't just arrest someone on hearsay.
[01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.140]  They have to see bruises.
[01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:20.140]  They have to see some kind of evidence before they can arrest.
[01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:22.140]  We need to reread the statute.
[01:14:22.140 --> 01:14:28.140]  As I recall, it went to if there was an accusation and the point of the statute.
[01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.140]  No, no.
[01:14:29.140 --> 01:14:31.140]  It went to if they see evidence.
[01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:32.140]  That's where it went to.
[01:14:32.140 --> 01:14:33.140]  I'm pretty sure.
[01:14:33.140 --> 01:14:42.140]  So will my attorney have the right to examine the teaser?
[01:14:42.140 --> 01:14:43.140]  Wait, say that again.
[01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:50.140]  Will my attorney have the right to cross-examine my wife?
[01:14:50.140 --> 01:14:53.140]  Of course.
[01:14:53.140 --> 01:14:58.140]  And if my son gets up there as a witness?
[01:14:58.140 --> 01:15:02.140]  That's going to depend on who they believe.
[01:15:02.140 --> 01:15:04.140]  It depends on who the jury believes.
[01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:11.140]  So if she files the affidavit of nonprosecution, will that end it?
[01:15:11.140 --> 01:15:15.140]  If she did know, not necessarily.
[01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:19.140]  Like we said, the state can proceed against you on their own initiative.
[01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:21.140]  They don't need her.
[01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:23.140]  Especially if there's evidence.
[01:15:23.140 --> 01:15:27.140]  What if she doesn't show up for a cross-examination?
[01:15:27.140 --> 01:15:30.140]  Can I file a motion that this is hearsay evidence?
[01:15:30.140 --> 01:15:34.140]  Well, if she doesn't show up, the court's going to issue a contempt order against her
[01:15:34.140 --> 01:15:39.140]  and ensure that she shows up and reschedule.
[01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:46.140]  Well, actually, the prosecution would have a duty to have their witnesses there.
[01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:52.140]  But the courts have allowed prosecution,
[01:15:52.140 --> 01:15:56.140]  when they can show cause for why they're unable to secure a witness,
[01:15:56.140 --> 01:16:02.140]  they have in the interests of justice allowed them a continuance,
[01:16:02.140 --> 01:16:10.140]  although the prosecution has a duty to be ready for court at the date and time stated.
[01:16:10.140 --> 01:16:16.140]  It seems like everything has been stretched.
[01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:21.140]  At least there are not many hard and fast lines.
[01:16:21.140 --> 01:16:27.140]  So what should I do now to prepare?
[01:16:27.140 --> 01:16:32.140]  Well, part of it is we don't know.
[01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:36.140]  It depends on what risk your son's willing to take.
[01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:39.140]  There's probably not a whole lot you can do.
[01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:47.140]  It will be up to other people and what they decide to do.
[01:16:47.140 --> 01:16:49.140]  Okay, we're going to break.
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[01:18:27.140 --> 01:18:45.140]  Okay, not going to fool us with the same old trick again.
[01:18:45.140 --> 01:18:49.140]  Okay, Kevin, Randy and Eddie and I were discussing on the break.
[01:18:49.140 --> 01:18:51.140]  Unfortunately, this is not going to be your call.
[01:18:51.140 --> 01:18:55.140]  The best thing that could happen is if everybody just submits affidavits
[01:18:55.140 --> 01:19:00.140]  telling the truth and hopefully the whole thing will all get dropped.
[01:19:00.140 --> 01:19:03.140]  Unfortunately, I'm afraid somebody is going to have a problem,
[01:19:03.140 --> 01:19:08.140]  whether it's the wife for making a fraudulent 911 call
[01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:13.140]  or whether it's the son who may end up getting accused or whether it's you.
[01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:17.140]  Hopefully, if everyone just says this was a big misunderstanding,
[01:19:17.140 --> 01:19:22.140]  especially her, then the whole thing may go away, but we don't know.
[01:19:22.140 --> 01:19:28.140]  So I think affidavits of truth is going to be the best thing that could happen here.
[01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:30.140]  Okay, we're going to move on now.
[01:19:30.140 --> 01:19:32.140]  We're going to go to Bill in Idaho.
[01:19:32.140 --> 01:19:33.140]  Bill, thank you for calling in.
[01:19:33.140 --> 01:19:35.140]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:37.140]  Bill, thank you so very much.
[01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:42.140]  Excellent, as usual, copying you on Radio 3 CDA.
[01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:45.140]  Yes, I was going to ask you, how are you listening to us tonight?
[01:19:45.140 --> 01:19:47.140]  The chambers, I'm sorry.
[01:19:47.140 --> 01:19:49.140]  How are you listening to us tonight?
[01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:51.140]  Are you listening to us on the FM airwaves?
[01:19:51.140 --> 01:19:52.140]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:19:52.140 --> 01:19:53.140]  All right.
[01:19:53.140 --> 01:19:54.140]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:19:54.140 --> 01:19:57.140]  Yes, a very brave and noble seaman.
[01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:58.140]  All right.
[01:19:58.140 --> 01:19:59.140]  Okay, what's on your mind?
[01:19:59.140 --> 01:20:01.140]  What's your question?
[01:20:01.140 --> 01:20:06.140]  Yeah, actually, considering your previous caller
[01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:15.140]  and his understanding of the previous analysis,
[01:20:15.140 --> 01:20:25.140]  have an amazingly parallel concern considering more than one advisory group
[01:20:25.140 --> 01:20:36.140]  has counseled the jurisdictional district circuit for the ninth, I guess,
[01:20:36.140 --> 01:20:40.140]  in St. Louis County, Missouri.
[01:20:40.140 --> 01:20:47.140]  And it has to do with family standing status and common law
[01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:50.140]  as a husband and wife.
[01:20:50.140 --> 01:20:56.140]  And it's very, very challenged considering the individual
[01:20:56.140 --> 01:21:06.140]  would be all of their family benefit by virtue of a challenged estate,
[01:21:06.140 --> 01:21:09.140]  a divided family, unfortunately.
[01:21:09.140 --> 01:21:19.140]  So I was wondering, could you advise me in Hagen versus Levine
[01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:23.140]  and, you know, such others that, you know,
[01:21:23.140 --> 01:21:28.140]  the district have appealed the Supreme Court?
[01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:29.140]  Wait a minute.
[01:21:29.140 --> 01:21:30.140]  Wait a minute.
[01:21:30.140 --> 01:21:31.140]  Yes.
[01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:34.140]  I have no idea what you're talking about.
[01:21:34.140 --> 01:21:49.140]  A specific case on jurisdictional matters of a specific privy court
[01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:51.140]  in the county of St. Louis.
[01:21:51.140 --> 01:21:52.140]  Wait a minute.
[01:21:52.140 --> 01:21:57.140]  You're using an assortment of general terms.
[01:21:57.140 --> 01:22:02.140]  I understand that you're not public enough to address something in particular,
[01:22:02.140 --> 01:22:06.140]  but everything is so general.
[01:22:06.140 --> 01:22:08.140]  Probate estate.
[01:22:08.140 --> 01:22:10.140]  Okay, probate estate.
[01:22:10.140 --> 01:22:12.140]  What are you asking about the probate estate?
[01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:17.140]  Well, the whole entire issue is that the whole entire family,
[01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:24.140]  a big portion, legal portion, would be predicated on fraudulent mortgage debt note
[01:22:24.140 --> 01:22:32.140]  that they're desperately hoping that the surviving five-metallic estate
[01:22:32.140 --> 01:22:39.140]  would save them all from, and there's over 36 levels of family
[01:22:39.140 --> 01:22:43.140]  and it goes on to everybody else.
[01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:51.140]  And they have, they have envagaled the situation to the point of presuming
[01:22:51.140 --> 01:22:56.140]  that there's really no party, the first party at interest.
[01:22:56.140 --> 01:22:57.140]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:22:57.140 --> 01:23:01.140]  We're lacking some sort of referential index.
[01:23:01.140 --> 01:23:03.140]  They, who is they?
[01:23:03.140 --> 01:23:08.140]  Well, apparently the probate, probate, or the family probate,
[01:23:08.140 --> 01:23:13.140]  the presumption of the family probate executors,
[01:23:13.140 --> 01:23:20.140]  and they have denied the second alternate any discovery whatsoever.
[01:23:20.140 --> 01:23:24.140]  This entire file has been dormant since October.
[01:23:24.140 --> 01:23:26.140]  Okay.
[01:23:26.140 --> 01:23:29.140]  I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about.
[01:23:29.140 --> 01:23:30.140]  That's okay, then, Randy.
[01:23:30.140 --> 01:23:32.140]  Thank you so very much.
[01:23:32.140 --> 01:23:33.140]  I don't mean to be difficult.
[01:23:33.140 --> 01:23:35.140]  I just can't.
[01:23:35.140 --> 01:23:39.140]  I was hoping that maybe Deborah would be able,
[01:23:39.140 --> 01:23:47.140]  Common Law Husbands Desperation Association,
[01:23:47.140 --> 01:23:51.140]  I helped form this estate for the preservation
[01:23:51.140 --> 01:23:56.140]  and benefit of her family church community.
[01:23:56.140 --> 01:23:59.140]  She was, she was of the cloth.
[01:23:59.140 --> 01:24:02.140]  And so necessarily I thought she was going to outlive me,
[01:24:02.140 --> 01:24:07.140]  so it's a little bit in depth considering we would wish to challenge
[01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:13.140]  the jurisdiction of the probate court in St. County St. Louis.
[01:24:13.140 --> 01:24:15.140]  Are you trying to challenge a will?
[01:24:15.140 --> 01:24:16.140]  Is that what's going on?
[01:24:16.140 --> 01:24:20.140]  Well, presumed to others, it's a very strange course of events,
[01:24:20.140 --> 01:24:23.140]  and I'll wait by this year.
[01:24:23.140 --> 01:24:24.140]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:24:24.140 --> 01:24:26.140]  You're not answering questions.
[01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:28.140]  We're trying to get some focus.
[01:24:28.140 --> 01:24:29.140]  Okay.
[01:24:29.140 --> 01:24:34.140]  You clearly understand all of this and know how all these pieces fit together,
[01:24:34.140 --> 01:24:41.140]  but you're not giving us the connections so we can understand any of this.
[01:24:41.140 --> 01:24:44.140]  You're being a little too general.
[01:24:44.140 --> 01:24:51.140]  This, I get the impression that you prepared an estate for someone who passed away.
[01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:54.140]  A preparation of a very large estate for somebody
[01:24:54.140 --> 01:24:57.140]  that has unfortunately long passed away.
[01:24:57.140 --> 01:25:00.140]  Was there a will prior to death?
[01:25:00.140 --> 01:25:05.140]  That appears to be, you know, you know.
[01:25:05.140 --> 01:25:08.140]  Were you, no, wait a minute, was there a will?
[01:25:08.140 --> 01:25:10.140]  Was there a piece of paper?
[01:25:10.140 --> 01:25:12.140]  Was there a yes or a no?
[01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:14.140]  Was there a will?
[01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:18.140]  That would only be by secondary advice.
[01:25:18.140 --> 01:25:21.140]  Yes, stop.
[01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:23.140]  You're not answering questions here.
[01:25:23.140 --> 01:25:24.140]  That young lady would indeed be unaware.
[01:25:24.140 --> 01:25:26.140]  Was there a will?
[01:25:26.140 --> 01:25:29.140]  That individual indicated they were unaware.
[01:25:29.140 --> 01:25:32.140]  I was not privy to that somebody else.
[01:25:32.140 --> 01:25:41.140]  But the mere fact that she would take the effort in her last passing hospice hours
[01:25:41.140 --> 01:25:48.140]  to presumably have documented a spoiler plate for families.
[01:25:48.140 --> 01:25:53.140]  Was, okay, okay, was there a deathbed declaration?
[01:25:53.140 --> 01:25:58.140]  Apparently there would have been a...
[01:25:58.140 --> 01:26:01.140]  No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, not would have been.
[01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:05.140]  Did she make a deathbed declaration, yes or no?
[01:26:05.140 --> 01:26:09.140]  I don't remember her saying anything of the sort.
[01:26:09.140 --> 01:26:12.140]  Okay, stop.
[01:26:12.140 --> 01:26:16.140]  Then was there a written will?
[01:26:16.140 --> 01:26:19.140]  They have submitted it through a attorney.
[01:26:19.140 --> 01:26:22.140]  You're not answering the question.
[01:26:22.140 --> 01:26:24.140]  This is a yes or no question.
[01:26:24.140 --> 01:26:27.140]  Yes, it's in St. Louis County.
[01:26:27.140 --> 01:26:29.140]  Ah, there we go.
[01:26:29.140 --> 01:26:36.140]  And the probation is probating, I mean, the probate court is probating the will.
[01:26:36.140 --> 01:26:39.140]  Pursued will, yes.
[01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:43.140]  Who is contesting the will?
[01:26:43.140 --> 01:26:49.140]  The common law first party.
[01:26:49.140 --> 01:26:52.140]  Who is a common law first party?
[01:26:52.140 --> 01:26:59.140]  There was property that was left in Tennessee that is part of the estate that is not even being...
[01:26:59.140 --> 01:27:01.140]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:27:01.140 --> 01:27:03.140]  Something's going on here.
[01:27:03.140 --> 01:27:06.140]  You are making no sense whatsoever.
[01:27:06.140 --> 01:27:10.140]  First we need to identify the actors in the situation.
[01:27:10.140 --> 01:27:14.140]  Okay, so, okay, they're asking...
[01:27:14.140 --> 01:27:16.140]  Okay, there's two questions here.
[01:27:16.140 --> 01:27:21.140]  Who's contesting the will and who is the executor of the estate?
[01:27:21.140 --> 01:27:23.140]  Niece.
[01:27:23.140 --> 01:27:25.140]  And there is a second...
[01:27:25.140 --> 01:27:27.140]  Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait.
[01:27:27.140 --> 01:27:28.140]  The niece is which one?
[01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:29.140]  The niece is which one?
[01:27:29.140 --> 01:27:32.140]  Is the niece contesting or is the niece the executor?
[01:27:32.140 --> 01:27:33.140]  No, executor.
[01:27:33.140 --> 01:27:36.140]  The niece is the executor of the estate.
[01:27:36.140 --> 01:27:45.140]  Okay, and so someone else is contesting the will?
[01:27:45.140 --> 01:27:47.140]  Because of...
[01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:48.140]  Not because.
[01:27:48.140 --> 01:27:49.140]  No, who is?
[01:27:49.140 --> 01:27:51.140]  Someone else is contesting the will.
[01:27:51.140 --> 01:27:54.140]  Who is contesting the will?
[01:27:54.140 --> 01:27:56.140]  Are you contesting the will?
[01:27:56.140 --> 01:28:02.140]  No, no, no, I'm not, please, I'm not even on...
[01:28:02.140 --> 01:28:11.140]  No, the individual that is named as second executor has received
[01:28:11.140 --> 01:28:17.140]  no communication from the niece.
[01:28:17.140 --> 01:28:18.140]  So what?
[01:28:18.140 --> 01:28:21.140]  So the second executor doesn't have anything to do unless the
[01:28:21.140 --> 01:28:26.140]  first executor advocates the duty, dies or is no longer
[01:28:26.140 --> 01:28:28.140]  viable to execute.
[01:28:28.140 --> 01:28:30.140]  That then takes care of it.
[01:28:30.140 --> 01:28:31.140]  I appreciate...
[01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:40.140]  I didn't mean to belabor, but the other question of the other
[01:28:40.140 --> 01:28:47.140]  caller, I was hoping that it wouldn't go badly for the
[01:28:47.140 --> 01:28:51.140]  others that are mentioned on the will, only by virtue of the
[01:28:51.140 --> 01:28:56.140]  fact that they haven't made effort to make full court
[01:28:56.140 --> 01:28:59.140]  disclosure or discovery.
[01:28:59.140 --> 01:29:01.140]  Well, is the will made public right now?
[01:29:01.140 --> 01:29:04.140]  Has the will been made public?
[01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:07.140]  The one that is public is filed.
[01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:11.140]  Okay, okay, so the will that is made public is filed, which is
[01:29:11.140 --> 01:29:15.140]  the way it's supposed to go, and there's an executor of the
[01:29:15.140 --> 01:29:19.140]  state named in the will, the niece, and as Eddie said, the
[01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:23.140]  executor of the state does not have to communicate with any of
[01:29:23.140 --> 01:29:28.140]  the other beneficiaries of the will or the executor of the
[01:29:28.140 --> 01:29:31.140]  state does not have to communicate or consult with the
[01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:38.140]  assistant or the successor executor unless something
[01:29:38.140 --> 01:29:42.140]  happens, that she becomes, you know, dies or is incompetent
[01:29:42.140 --> 01:29:44.140]  or otherwise physically...
[01:29:44.140 --> 01:29:46.140]  Okay, thank you very much.
[01:29:46.140 --> 01:29:48.140]  Okay, thank you, Bill.
[01:29:48.140 --> 01:29:50.140]  Thank you, Bill.
[01:29:50.140 --> 01:29:53.140]  Okay, yeah, that's what it means to be the executor of the
[01:29:53.140 --> 01:29:56.140]  state, you call the shots, and it all goes through probate and
[01:29:56.140 --> 01:29:58.140]  the judge makes the ultimate decision.
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[01:32:56.140 --> 01:32:59.140]  Okay, we are going now to Michael in Texas.
[01:32:59.140 --> 01:33:02.140]  Michael, thank you for calling in.
[01:33:02.140 --> 01:33:03.140]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:33:03.140 --> 01:33:04.140]  What's your question?
[01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:05.140]  Hey, no problem, guys.
[01:33:05.140 --> 01:33:06.140]  Thanks for taking my call.
[01:33:06.140 --> 01:33:07.140]  I love listening to you guys at night.
[01:33:07.140 --> 01:33:09.140]  I got an issue here.
[01:33:09.140 --> 01:33:10.140]  I got kind of a dilemma.
[01:33:10.140 --> 01:33:15.140]  So we're having our wedding ceremony next Friday, July 16th,
[01:33:15.140 --> 01:33:16.140]  right?
[01:33:16.140 --> 01:33:19.140]  And, you know, my wife and I were already married.
[01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:20.140]  We got married on March 6th.
[01:33:20.140 --> 01:33:24.140]  But we wanted to have the ceremony later where her family
[01:33:24.140 --> 01:33:25.140]  could come and visit.
[01:33:25.140 --> 01:33:30.140]  Anyways, we're finalizing all the small details.
[01:33:30.140 --> 01:33:32.140]  And we're trying to book a DJ.
[01:33:32.140 --> 01:33:34.140]  We got this DJ online.
[01:33:34.140 --> 01:33:39.140]  And we sent him, you know, he contacted us and we were like,
[01:33:39.140 --> 01:33:41.140]  oh, this guy sounds like he's a legit person.
[01:33:41.140 --> 01:33:43.140]  It sounds good to go.
[01:33:43.140 --> 01:33:44.140]  We're very trusting people.
[01:33:44.140 --> 01:33:46.140]  You know, I've never been scammed before.
[01:33:46.140 --> 01:33:51.140]  And we send him our information and a credit card just like we do
[01:33:51.140 --> 01:33:54.140]  with the cake lady and the flowers and all that other stuff.
[01:33:54.140 --> 01:33:57.140]  And we haven't heard from him since.
[01:33:57.140 --> 01:34:01.140]  And on our credit card it shows that he withdrew that money on the
[01:34:01.140 --> 01:34:02.140]  24th, right?
[01:34:02.140 --> 01:34:04.140]  And it was $200 deposit.
[01:34:04.140 --> 01:34:07.140]  But we haven't heard from a DJ yet.
[01:34:07.140 --> 01:34:09.140]  And I guess when I called him back,
[01:34:09.140 --> 01:34:12.140]  we had almost a verbal altercation today.
[01:34:12.140 --> 01:34:14.140]  And he kind of got real ugly.
[01:34:14.140 --> 01:34:17.140]  Like, I was like, sir, you know, you're not being very professional here.
[01:34:17.140 --> 01:34:19.140]  Our wedding's next week.
[01:34:19.140 --> 01:34:23.140]  We need to meet with a DJ face-to-face here in Austin so we can get a feel
[01:34:23.140 --> 01:34:24.140]  for them, you know.
[01:34:24.140 --> 01:34:26.140]  And I was trying to be as polite as possible.
[01:34:26.140 --> 01:34:28.140]  And he was like, no, you're not being professional.
[01:34:28.140 --> 01:34:30.140]  I'm like, well, I'm a customer, you know.
[01:34:30.140 --> 01:34:33.140]  I'm not a professional organization here.
[01:34:33.140 --> 01:34:35.140]  Anyway, so we looked him up online.
[01:34:35.140 --> 01:34:40.140]  And we found out that he has a lot of complaints.
[01:34:40.140 --> 01:34:46.140]  And basically my question is, since the only thing we did was give him a
[01:34:46.140 --> 01:34:49.140]  credit card number and our information about when our wedding is and
[01:34:49.140 --> 01:34:52.140]  everything like that, did we legal,
[01:34:52.140 --> 01:34:57.140]  is he legally able to keep our deposit if we want to cancel business today?
[01:34:57.140 --> 01:35:02.140]  Did you, okay, this goes to business that I've been involved with for many,
[01:35:02.140 --> 01:35:03.140]  many years.
[01:35:03.140 --> 01:35:06.140]  Did you make, okay, first of all,
[01:35:06.140 --> 01:35:13.140]  did you hire or give your credit card number to the actual DJ,
[01:35:13.140 --> 01:35:17.140]  him or herself or to a booking agent?
[01:35:17.140 --> 01:35:20.140]  Well, I guess he's a booking agent now.
[01:35:20.140 --> 01:35:21.140]  I didn't know that.
[01:35:21.140 --> 01:35:23.140]  At first when he called me I thought he was the DJ.
[01:35:23.140 --> 01:35:24.140]  I was misled.
[01:35:24.140 --> 01:35:25.140]  Okay.
[01:35:25.140 --> 01:35:30.140]  So did you make a verbal agreement or written agreement with this booking
[01:35:30.140 --> 01:35:33.140]  agent over the phone?
[01:35:33.140 --> 01:35:34.140]  Nothing in writing,
[01:35:34.140 --> 01:35:39.140]  but I guess I'm trying to remember our conversation and it went more along the
[01:35:39.140 --> 01:35:42.140]  lines of, you know, I'm sorry I can't be more specific,
[01:35:42.140 --> 01:35:46.140]  but it was like, yeah, hey, we'll book with you.
[01:35:46.140 --> 01:35:49.140]  We'll use you guys.
[01:35:49.140 --> 01:35:50.140]  So I guess.
[01:35:50.140 --> 01:35:54.140]  So that would constitute a verbal agreement with the booking agent on the
[01:35:54.140 --> 01:35:57.140]  phone is what I'm getting here.
[01:35:57.140 --> 01:35:58.140]  Okay.
[01:35:58.140 --> 01:36:03.140]  So let me just explain some things in the music business about how these things
[01:36:03.140 --> 01:36:08.140]  work because being on the other end of the stick as a performer and dealing
[01:36:08.140 --> 01:36:12.140]  with booking agents I can share with you some experience.
[01:36:12.140 --> 01:36:13.140]  Okay.
[01:36:13.140 --> 01:36:19.140]  First off, unless there was a prior agreement to the contract,
[01:36:19.140 --> 01:36:22.140]  to the verbal contract or written contract,
[01:36:22.140 --> 01:36:28.140]  it never happens that the client gets to meet with the performer or the DJ
[01:36:28.140 --> 01:36:33.140]  ahead of time to have a discussion and get a feel and all this kind of thing.
[01:36:33.140 --> 01:36:39.140]  That never happens unless you have made that specifically clear as a client
[01:36:39.140 --> 01:36:43.140]  that that is a requirement before you hire the performer.
[01:36:43.140 --> 01:36:49.140]  Generally what happens is on the booking agent's website or either through a
[01:36:49.140 --> 01:36:55.140]  verbal discussion the booking agent will explain what kind of music their
[01:36:55.140 --> 01:37:01.140]  various DJs or various bands that they book will play and sometimes they will
[01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:06.140]  send you a website link to go check out the individual DJ site.
[01:37:06.140 --> 01:37:11.140]  A lot of the times they won't though because they don't want you to make
[01:37:11.140 --> 01:37:19.140]  direct contact with the performer to bypass the booking agent for future bookings
[01:37:19.140 --> 01:37:21.140]  or even for that particular booking.
[01:37:21.140 --> 01:37:22.140]  Okay.
[01:37:22.140 --> 01:37:23.140]  So there's that aspect.
[01:37:23.140 --> 01:37:27.140]  And then the other aspect is that as performers this is what we do for a living.
[01:37:27.140 --> 01:37:32.140]  We don't have time to be running around having in-person meetings with future
[01:37:32.140 --> 01:37:37.140]  clients as far as to give people a feel or get instructions as to what kind of
[01:37:37.140 --> 01:37:43.140]  CDs we should bring for the gig or what kind of music they want us to play or
[01:37:43.140 --> 01:37:44.140]  this or that.
[01:37:44.140 --> 01:37:49.140]  It's like the client gets the information about the DJ or about the performer,
[01:37:49.140 --> 01:37:54.140]  about the band and then you make a decision whether you want to hire or not.
[01:37:54.140 --> 01:37:58.140]  And sometimes in the case of DJs with booking agents the booking agent isn't
[01:37:58.140 --> 01:38:00.140]  even going to tell you who the DJ is.
[01:38:00.140 --> 01:38:05.140]  You tell the booking agent ahead of time what kind of music you want at your
[01:38:05.140 --> 01:38:09.140]  wedding and then they send somebody and that's just the way it goes unless you
[01:38:09.140 --> 01:38:13.140]  have made specific prior arrangement and agreement.
[01:38:13.140 --> 01:38:18.140]  So that's how the music industry works regarding bookings for private events.
[01:38:18.140 --> 01:38:23.140]  So I don't think that this booking agent was necessarily being unprofessional
[01:38:23.140 --> 01:38:28.140]  with you by refusing to set up some kind of a meeting with the DJ.
[01:38:28.140 --> 01:38:33.140]  And so people have to be very careful when they book DJs and when they book
[01:38:33.140 --> 01:38:38.140]  bands you have to know are you making the contract with a booking agent or are
[01:38:38.140 --> 01:38:41.140]  you making a contract with the band itself?
[01:38:41.140 --> 01:38:44.140]  And there's a lot of shenanigans that go on.
[01:38:44.140 --> 01:38:48.140]  Usually the band is the one that ends up getting screwed because what will
[01:38:48.140 --> 01:38:54.140]  happen is the booking agent will make the overriding contract with the client
[01:38:54.140 --> 01:39:00.140]  and then they'll go and find a performer or a DJ or a band or whatever and then
[01:39:00.140 --> 01:39:06.140]  the booking agent makes a separate contract with the performer and that ends
[01:39:06.140 --> 01:39:12.140]  up being a subcontract of the main overriding contract and the band is forced
[01:39:12.140 --> 01:39:17.140]  to agree to all the terms and conditions of the contract that the booking agent
[01:39:17.140 --> 01:39:22.140]  has with the client and the band doesn't even get to see that contract.
[01:39:22.140 --> 01:39:27.140]  So how in the heck are we supposed to fulfill the terms and conditions so as
[01:39:27.140 --> 01:39:32.140]  performers we have to be very careful of the kinds of booking agents that we
[01:39:32.140 --> 01:39:35.140]  deal with and we've learned the hard way.
[01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:41.140]  We as performers we insist on being part of the real contract which is the
[01:39:41.140 --> 01:39:43.140]  contract between the booking agent and the client.
[01:39:43.140 --> 01:39:46.140]  We insist that it's a three-way contract.
[01:39:46.140 --> 01:39:51.140]  We insist that the client sign directly responsible to us as far as payment and
[01:39:51.140 --> 01:39:57.140]  this sort of thing. We insist on having a three-way contract at the least.
[01:39:57.140 --> 01:40:01.140]  But these booking agents always pull these kinds of shenanigans mainly to rip
[01:40:01.140 --> 01:40:04.140]  the band off more than anything but not usually the client.
[01:40:04.140 --> 01:40:10.140]  But as far as the client, as far as the booking agent not wanting to set up
[01:40:10.140 --> 01:40:17.140]  some kind of a meeting with the DJ between you and the DJ after the fact that
[01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:22.140]  standard, you're never going to get that unless you have specifically required
[01:40:22.140 --> 01:40:24.140]  that prior to making the contract.
[01:40:24.140 --> 01:40:31.140]  And so since you did make a verbal contract and it was an agreement, if you
[01:40:31.140 --> 01:40:36.140]  agreed on the $200 deposit and now you want to back out of the deal just
[01:40:36.140 --> 01:40:42.140]  because you're not getting your way as far as being able to meet with the DJ,
[01:40:42.140 --> 01:40:47.140]  I think that you're going to lose your $200 deposit and you're not going to
[01:40:47.140 --> 01:40:48.140]  get anywhere with that.
[01:40:48.140 --> 01:40:55.140]  I think that just at this point just take the DJ that comes and I'm sure
[01:40:55.140 --> 01:40:57.140]  everything will be just fine.
[01:40:57.140 --> 01:40:59.140]  So that's my take on it.
[01:40:59.140 --> 01:41:01.140]  Michael, does that make sense?
[01:41:01.140 --> 01:41:02.140]  Yes.
[01:41:02.140 --> 01:41:03.140]  Hold on.
[01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:04.140]  My wife was whispering in my ear.
[01:41:04.140 --> 01:41:06.140]  Do you mind if I put her on the line?
[01:41:06.140 --> 01:41:07.140]  Yes, that's fine.
[01:41:07.140 --> 01:41:10.140]  If you want to ask a question, I'm sorry, I'm not standing around.
[01:41:10.140 --> 01:41:11.140]  Okay.
[01:41:11.140 --> 01:41:12.140]  My name is Elizabeth.
[01:41:12.140 --> 01:41:18.140]  And so here's my issue is, okay, so yes, we didn't specifically say we would
[01:41:18.140 --> 01:41:23.140]  like to meet with you in person prior to our wedding date.
[01:41:23.140 --> 01:41:27.140]  However, we did give them our credit card information so they did, you know,
[01:41:27.140 --> 01:41:30.140]  credit our, charge our credit cards for $200.
[01:41:30.140 --> 01:41:33.140]  However, here's the thing is I went online and I'm looking at these reviews,
[01:41:33.140 --> 01:41:40.140]  right, and so this business is operating under two different names in various
[01:41:40.140 --> 01:41:49.140]  states and there are complaints under their account.
[01:41:49.140 --> 01:41:55.140]  And not only that, but there are just, you know, website after website claiming
[01:41:55.140 --> 01:42:00.140]  that VAs don't show up or in 2009 they're playing cassette tape or, you know,
[01:42:00.140 --> 01:42:04.140]  so it sounds like they also operate as like a video service.
[01:42:04.140 --> 01:42:09.140]  So one of the reviews I read said, you know, the video guy showed up.
[01:42:09.140 --> 01:42:14.140]  However, we never received our DVD and the video guy, they contacted, you know,
[01:42:14.140 --> 01:42:19.140]  the videographer and he said, well, hey, you know, they never even paid me.
[01:42:19.140 --> 01:42:22.140]  So I didn't, why would I follow through with that?
[01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:25.140]  So it sounds like this company is scamming people,
[01:42:25.140 --> 01:42:28.140]  charging people and just not rendering adequate services.
[01:42:28.140 --> 01:42:35.140]  So at this point, I mean, if we just lost $200 for like a scammy, you know,
[01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:40.140]  booking company who just gives you the run of the mill, then, you know,
[01:42:40.140 --> 01:42:41.140]  it's less than that.
[01:42:41.140 --> 01:42:46.140]  But I just wanted to know if legally we could take any action as far as getting
[01:42:46.140 --> 01:42:54.140]  our money back from them or from the credit card company or anything of that
[01:42:54.140 --> 01:42:57.140]  sort because, like you said, we're trusting people, you know.
[01:42:57.140 --> 01:43:01.140]  If we had done our Internet research prior to this, you know,
[01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:07.140]  we never would have gone with them, but it's not that we were trying to be
[01:43:07.140 --> 01:43:09.140]  unreasonable and say, hey, you need to meet with us.
[01:43:09.140 --> 01:43:13.140]  It's more of like, look, we're reading these reviews and we don't want to just,
[01:43:13.140 --> 01:43:16.140]  you know, put our face in your hands and, you know,
[01:43:16.140 --> 01:43:22.140]  our reception be ruined because you're going to play cassettes, you know.
[01:43:22.140 --> 01:43:26.140]  Here we are spending hours creating a song list when, you know,
[01:43:26.140 --> 01:43:27.140]  it's not even going to be worth it.
[01:43:27.140 --> 01:43:28.140]  I don't know.
[01:43:28.140 --> 01:43:32.140]  Well, it sounds to me like we're going to break,
[01:43:32.140 --> 01:43:34.140]  so stay on the line so we can discuss this some more.
[01:43:34.140 --> 01:43:38.140]  But it sounds like you are dealing with a booking agent here,
[01:43:38.140 --> 01:43:42.140]  not directly with a DJ or performer themself.
[01:43:42.140 --> 01:43:47.140]  And it sounds like there are situations where clients would not get the end
[01:43:47.140 --> 01:43:52.140]  product of the DVD because the booking agent isn't paying the performer
[01:43:52.140 --> 01:43:53.140]  or the videographer.
[01:43:53.140 --> 01:43:55.140]  And this is typical booking agent shenanigans.
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[01:45:18.140 --> 01:45:36.140]  Okay, as we sow, so shall we reap.
[01:45:36.140 --> 01:45:39.140]  All right, speaking with Michael in Texas and his bride.
[01:45:39.140 --> 01:45:44.140]  And yeah, this is a subject, this is an issue that hits very close to home
[01:45:44.140 --> 01:45:47.140]  for me as a performer, as a member of a band.
[01:45:47.140 --> 01:45:50.140]  I've watched my husband go through this for years and years.
[01:45:50.140 --> 01:45:54.140]  I've watched other people who are the leaders of other bands go through this.
[01:45:54.140 --> 01:45:56.140]  I've watched DJs go through this.
[01:45:56.140 --> 01:46:00.140]  And being on the performer side, I can definitely tell you,
[01:46:00.140 --> 01:46:04.140]  the booking agent industry, it's always been totally corrupt.
[01:46:04.140 --> 01:46:11.140]  And it's gotten to the point in the last few years where it's so corrupt
[01:46:11.140 --> 01:46:16.140]  that it makes it almost an unworkable situation for both client and performer.
[01:46:16.140 --> 01:46:20.140]  And in you guys' case, it's unfortunate.
[01:46:20.140 --> 01:46:24.140]  You all didn't have anything written with this booking agent, right?
[01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:25.140]  No, nothing written.
[01:46:25.140 --> 01:46:28.140]  Okay, but there still was a verbal agreement.
[01:46:28.140 --> 01:46:32.140]  And you guys did agree on this $200 deposit, right?
[01:46:32.140 --> 01:46:33.140]  Right.
[01:46:33.140 --> 01:46:42.140]  Okay, the situation as it stands now, I'm not sure since there is a contract in place,
[01:46:42.140 --> 01:46:47.140]  I'm not sure if you're going to be able to legally insist on getting that $200 deposit back
[01:46:47.140 --> 01:46:50.140]  in light of this current information.
[01:46:50.140 --> 01:46:56.140]  However, you might be more likely to get your money back by making a claim
[01:46:56.140 --> 01:47:02.140]  with the credit card company and showing all this evidence as reason to believe
[01:47:02.140 --> 01:47:04.140]  that you think that you're going to get ripped off
[01:47:04.140 --> 01:47:10.140]  or you're not going to get the proper services that you have contracted.
[01:47:10.140 --> 01:47:15.140]  And you may or may not get your refund through the credit card company.
[01:47:15.140 --> 01:47:18.140]  I think it's more likely that you would get the refund through the credit card company
[01:47:18.140 --> 01:47:24.140]  than for this guy who sounds like quite the swindler to give it back to you directly.
[01:47:24.140 --> 01:47:28.140]  But if you really feel in your heart that either this guy,
[01:47:28.140 --> 01:47:32.140]  either this booking agent is likely to not send a DJ at all
[01:47:32.140 --> 01:47:36.140]  or to send somebody who's going to play cassette tapes or whatever,
[01:47:36.140 --> 01:47:40.140]  then ultimately push comes to shove, it's better just to blow off the $200
[01:47:40.140 --> 01:47:44.140]  and find somebody reputable so that you can have a good wedding ceremony.
[01:47:44.140 --> 01:47:48.140]  But in the future, definitely do your research
[01:47:48.140 --> 01:47:52.140]  and make sure that you're going through a reputable booking agent
[01:47:52.140 --> 01:47:55.140]  because it sounds like this guy is in the habit of ripping off the performers
[01:47:55.140 --> 01:47:56.140]  and the videographers too.
[01:47:56.140 --> 01:48:00.140]  That's why the client's complaining that he never got his DVD.
[01:48:00.140 --> 01:48:06.140]  But the reason he never got the DVD is because of these multiple contracts
[01:48:06.140 --> 01:48:08.140]  that I was discussing earlier.
[01:48:08.140 --> 01:48:12.140]  The booking agent makes the contract with the client,
[01:48:12.140 --> 01:48:17.140]  but then the booking agent has a separate contract with the performer or the videographer.
[01:48:17.140 --> 01:48:21.140]  And so what happens is that the client has to pay the money to the booking agent.
[01:48:21.140 --> 01:48:23.140]  The client can't pay the money directly to the performer
[01:48:23.140 --> 01:48:26.140]  because the booking agent's got to make sure he gets his cut.
[01:48:26.140 --> 01:48:31.140]  But then the booking agent wants to break the contract with the performer
[01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:35.140]  or the videographer and not pay him or not pay him what he's supposed to pay him or whatever.
[01:48:35.140 --> 01:48:38.140]  And so then the performer and the videographer says,
[01:48:38.140 --> 01:48:40.140]  well, I'm not giving you the DVD then.
[01:48:40.140 --> 01:48:44.140]  I'm not going to give the DVD to the client because you broke your contract with me.
[01:48:44.140 --> 01:48:47.140]  And then ultimately everyone is unhappy.
[01:48:47.140 --> 01:48:54.140]  And so what ends up happening is then that the client would have to sue the booking agent
[01:48:54.140 --> 01:48:56.140]  because he never got the product.
[01:48:56.140 --> 01:48:58.140]  He never got the video.
[01:48:58.140 --> 01:49:01.140]  He couldn't sue the videographer directly.
[01:49:01.140 --> 01:49:06.140]  Okay, you follow me here why these booking agents set up these separate contracts.
[01:49:06.140 --> 01:49:09.140]  And then in some cases the real corrupt booking agents,
[01:49:09.140 --> 01:49:13.140]  they'll make their contract with the performer or the videographer
[01:49:13.140 --> 01:49:19.140]  a subcontract of their contract, their overriding contract with the client.
[01:49:19.140 --> 01:49:26.140]  And so then the videographer is still liable to giving the video to the client
[01:49:26.140 --> 01:49:29.140]  even though the videographer didn't get paid.
[01:49:29.140 --> 01:49:33.140]  And the reason for that is because, well, the client paid the booking agent,
[01:49:33.140 --> 01:49:36.140]  so the client's entitled to the video because of the contract
[01:49:36.140 --> 01:49:38.140]  that the booking agent had with the videographer.
[01:49:38.140 --> 01:49:40.140]  So then who gets screwed, the performer, the videographer?
[01:49:40.140 --> 01:49:43.140]  And that's why we are really, really careful.
[01:49:43.140 --> 01:49:48.140]  And we always insist now that we are on the overriding contract,
[01:49:48.140 --> 01:49:49.140]  that it's a three-way contract.
[01:49:49.140 --> 01:49:52.140]  Everybody signs liable to each other.
[01:49:52.140 --> 01:49:55.140]  And so at this point I think I would advise,
[01:49:55.140 --> 01:49:59.140]  if I were you guys in light of this situation,
[01:49:59.140 --> 01:50:02.140]  in light of my experience with all these corrupt booking agents,
[01:50:02.140 --> 01:50:05.140]  especially in Austin, they're the worst.
[01:50:05.140 --> 01:50:10.140]  Let me tell you, either make a claim with a credit card company
[01:50:10.140 --> 01:50:15.140]  and hopefully you'll get some remedy there or you may just end up having to blow it off.
[01:50:15.140 --> 01:50:18.140]  That's my take on the whole thing.
[01:50:18.140 --> 01:50:26.140]  Guys, do you have any comments about the situation, Randy, Eddie?
[01:50:26.140 --> 01:50:27.140]  Randy?
[01:50:27.140 --> 01:50:32.140]  I would say just go ahead and blow the 200 off for the moment.
[01:50:32.140 --> 01:50:36.140]  Do what you need to do to make sure your wedding party is a success you want it to be.
[01:50:36.140 --> 01:50:37.140]  Yeah.
[01:50:37.140 --> 01:50:41.140]  And then go to the credit card company or try to go to the credit card company directly
[01:50:41.140 --> 01:50:44.140]  and say, look, this gentleman has charged us.
[01:50:44.140 --> 01:50:46.140]  He has not supplied the services.
[01:50:46.140 --> 01:50:49.140]  We would like to charge back on the account, please.
[01:50:49.140 --> 01:50:53.140]  And they can actually withdraw the money straight from the bank account
[01:50:53.140 --> 01:50:56.140]  at his bank with that credit card.
[01:50:56.140 --> 01:50:58.140]  The problem that's going to happen, though,
[01:50:58.140 --> 01:51:03.140]  is that if you don't call the booking agent and tell them the deal's off
[01:51:03.140 --> 01:51:10.140]  and the booking agent actually does send a DJ and you have to send that DJ away,
[01:51:10.140 --> 01:51:16.140]  then you definitely will be liable for that $200 because you had contracted it.
[01:51:16.140 --> 01:51:20.140]  So you would have to tell the booking agent ahead of time, forget it,
[01:51:20.140 --> 01:51:27.140]  the deal's off and keep the deposit and then try to get it out of the credit card company.
[01:51:27.140 --> 01:51:34.140]  And you definitely don't want a scene at your wedding with an upset, angry DJ
[01:51:34.140 --> 01:51:39.140]  who knows he's not going to get paid by the booking agent when you send him home.
[01:51:39.140 --> 01:51:41.140]  Right.
[01:51:41.140 --> 01:51:42.140]  Well, okay.
[01:51:42.140 --> 01:51:49.140]  Well, I mean, isn't there a way that because we sent an email
[01:51:49.140 --> 01:51:54.140]  and we asked them to contact us and instead of doing so,
[01:51:54.140 --> 01:51:58.140]  instead of calling us, they just send us this one-liner email
[01:51:58.140 --> 01:52:01.140]  just avoiding the subject altogether.
[01:52:01.140 --> 01:52:05.140]  And so is there any way other than better business deal
[01:52:05.140 --> 01:52:11.140]  that we can kind of advise other consumers and clients, you know,
[01:52:11.140 --> 01:52:17.140]  to walk out or like this particular company in our case?
[01:52:17.140 --> 01:52:22.140]  Yes, you can refer them to the same location where you conducted your own research to turn it up.
[01:52:22.140 --> 01:52:24.140]  That doesn't make you liable for anything.
[01:52:24.140 --> 01:52:30.140]  You could also send emails to these other websites or blogs or whatever
[01:52:30.140 --> 01:52:32.140]  where you found out this negative information.
[01:52:32.140 --> 01:52:34.140]  And if you really want to kick them in the butt,
[01:52:34.140 --> 01:52:37.140]  why don't you just say their name on the air right now?
[01:52:37.140 --> 01:52:38.140]  Yes.
[01:52:38.140 --> 01:52:41.140]  You know, Party Unlimited DJ or Party DJ Unlimited,
[01:52:41.140 --> 01:52:45.140]  they go under various aliases, Jeff Stone and Jim Firth.
[01:52:45.140 --> 01:52:46.140]  Wait, wait.
[01:52:46.140 --> 01:52:47.140]  Say that again.
[01:52:47.140 --> 01:52:48.140]  Are you on a speakerphone?
[01:52:48.140 --> 01:52:49.140]  I am.
[01:52:49.140 --> 01:52:50.140]  Let me take that off.
[01:52:50.140 --> 01:52:53.140]  Pick up the handset so we can clearly hear the name of these rogue booking agents
[01:52:53.140 --> 01:52:58.140]  because believe me, I have no problem with exposing rogue booking agents in Austin, Texas.
[01:52:58.140 --> 01:52:59.140]  Good.
[01:52:59.140 --> 01:53:01.140]  And you know, the thing is they say they're in Austin.
[01:53:01.140 --> 01:53:02.140]  They say they're in Dripping Springs.
[01:53:02.140 --> 01:53:03.140]  They say they're in Houston.
[01:53:03.140 --> 01:53:04.140]  They say they're everywhere.
[01:53:04.140 --> 01:53:10.140]  So it's Party Unlimited DJ and Wedding Video or Party Unlimited DJ
[01:53:10.140 --> 01:53:15.140]  or ProDJVideo.com, PartyUnlimitedDJ.net.
[01:53:15.140 --> 01:53:22.140]  Their names that they go under online, you can find them everywhere, are Jim Firth and Jeff Stone.
[01:53:22.140 --> 01:53:28.140]  So, I mean, these guys are major scammy and so we just don't trust it.
[01:53:28.140 --> 01:53:30.140]  So, you know, we appreciate the advice.
[01:53:30.140 --> 01:53:35.140]  But hey, so, I mean, are you still in doing gigs there with your husband because, you know,
[01:53:35.140 --> 01:53:37.140]  we kind of need somebody in.
[01:53:37.140 --> 01:53:38.140]  Well, yes.
[01:53:38.140 --> 01:53:42.140]  We don't do DJs but we do perform live.
[01:53:42.140 --> 01:53:46.140]  If you want a good DJ, if you want some good reggae music,
[01:53:46.140 --> 01:53:51.140]  our friend, our lead singer Pat has an excellent DJ service right now, quite reliable.
[01:53:51.140 --> 01:53:53.140]  Why don't you send me an email if you're interested.
[01:53:53.140 --> 01:53:54.140]  Okay.
[01:53:54.140 --> 01:53:55.140]  We'll do.
[01:53:55.140 --> 01:53:56.140]  Okay.
[01:53:56.140 --> 01:53:57.140]  Thanks, guys.
[01:53:57.140 --> 01:53:58.140]  All right.
[01:53:58.140 --> 01:53:59.140]  Thank you very much.
[01:53:59.140 --> 01:54:00.140]  We appreciate you guys.
[01:54:00.140 --> 01:54:01.140]  Okay.
[01:54:01.140 --> 01:54:02.140]  Thanks, guys.
[01:54:02.140 --> 01:54:03.140]  All right.
[01:54:03.140 --> 01:54:04.140]  Yeah, believe me.
[01:54:04.140 --> 01:54:08.140]  I have no love lost between us, Jerry and myself and I and our band and our friends
[01:54:08.140 --> 01:54:12.140]  and these rogue, corrupt booking agents in Austin, Texas.
[01:54:12.140 --> 01:54:15.140]  They're worse than the government, let me tell you.
[01:54:15.140 --> 01:54:16.140]  Okay.
[01:54:16.140 --> 01:54:22.140]  We're going now to, we're going now to Stephen in Idaho.
[01:54:22.140 --> 01:54:24.140]  Yes.
[01:54:24.140 --> 01:54:25.140]  Stephen, thanks for calling in.
[01:54:25.140 --> 01:54:27.140]  What's your question?
[01:54:27.140 --> 01:54:29.140]  Yeah, thanks for taking my call.
[01:54:29.140 --> 01:54:35.140]  I just wanted to clear up some loose ends on both of the issues that I didn't resolve last night.
[01:54:35.140 --> 01:54:42.140]  On the issue of identity theft, the company that set up a separate account in my name,
[01:54:42.140 --> 01:54:46.140]  which was totally against my mother's intent and without my authorization,
[01:54:46.140 --> 01:54:58.140]  so I don't know how they could set it up without the identity theft.
[01:54:58.140 --> 01:55:09.140]  Because they didn't get the information through surreptitious means or illegal means or without your consent.
[01:55:09.140 --> 01:55:13.140]  The information was originally given to them.
[01:55:13.140 --> 01:55:17.140]  It was originally given to them through the credit card information
[01:55:17.140 --> 01:55:20.140]  that you authorized your mother to make the purchase.
[01:55:20.140 --> 01:55:29.140]  And I remember this call last night and you were saying that the account was not just an information account
[01:55:29.140 --> 01:55:31.140]  right at the end of the show or right at the end of the segment.
[01:55:31.140 --> 01:55:33.140]  You were saying the account wasn't just an information account,
[01:55:33.140 --> 01:55:39.140]  but that they set up another credit account and I was talking with the guys on the break
[01:55:39.140 --> 01:55:43.140]  and it's the same thing that I said even if that was the case.
[01:55:43.140 --> 01:55:46.140]  There are some companies you have to read the fine print
[01:55:46.140 --> 01:55:49.140]  when you make a purchase from them with a credit card.
[01:55:49.140 --> 01:55:53.140]  By doing so, you agree to certain terms and conditions
[01:55:53.140 --> 01:55:57.140]  and some of the terms and conditions may be that you are setting up
[01:55:57.140 --> 01:56:02.140]  and opening a new credit card account with that company
[01:56:02.140 --> 01:56:07.140]  when you make a purchase with them with another credit card.
[01:56:07.140 --> 01:56:12.140]  And if that's the terms and conditions that you are authorizing them
[01:56:12.140 --> 01:56:15.140]  to establish a new credit card account with that company
[01:56:15.140 --> 01:56:19.140]  when you make a purchase with that company through another credit card,
[01:56:19.140 --> 01:56:23.140]  then the whole thing is legit and you don't have a leg to stand on.
[01:56:23.140 --> 01:56:28.140]  So you need to look at the terms and conditions of their accounts
[01:56:28.140 --> 01:56:34.140]  and what you are agreeing to when you actually make a purchase with them with your credit card.
[01:56:34.140 --> 01:56:36.140]  Okay, let's say they don't.
[01:56:36.140 --> 01:56:38.140]  Well, if they don't, that's a different story,
[01:56:38.140 --> 01:56:42.140]  but you have to look at the terms and conditions first.
[01:56:42.140 --> 01:56:44.140]  Let's say that they don't.
[01:56:44.140 --> 01:56:47.140]  Isn't that identity theft?
[01:56:47.140 --> 01:56:49.140]  No.
[01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:53.140]  Well, but they created an account in somebody else's.
[01:56:53.140 --> 01:56:57.140]  I can't go create an account in your name.
[01:56:57.140 --> 01:57:00.140]  You can if I'm doing business with you
[01:57:00.140 --> 01:57:05.140]  and gave you the information for the purpose of tracking me as a customer.
[01:57:05.140 --> 01:57:08.140]  Not to charge me.
[01:57:08.140 --> 01:57:15.140]  If I gave you cash or if I gave you cash and told you to go buy something
[01:57:15.140 --> 01:57:21.140]  and they created an account in my name and charged me with it and you spell the cash.
[01:57:21.140 --> 01:57:22.140]  Cash is different.
[01:57:22.140 --> 01:57:25.140]  We're talking about a credit card purchase.
[01:57:25.140 --> 01:57:27.140]  That's a totally different deal.
[01:57:27.140 --> 01:57:31.140]  They did it on the credit card, not creating an account separate of...
[01:57:31.140 --> 01:57:34.140]  If you agree, it's the terms and...
[01:57:34.140 --> 01:57:37.140]  Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop.
[01:57:37.140 --> 01:57:43.140]  Have you ever gotten one of these little $3.50 checks in the mail that says upon cashing this,
[01:57:43.140 --> 01:57:46.140]  you agree to the terms and conditions written upon the back of the check
[01:57:46.140 --> 01:57:53.140]  and you wind up getting a $490 advertising bill six months later that you were not aware you were getting?
[01:57:53.140 --> 01:57:55.140]  But it's the person who signed the check.
[01:57:55.140 --> 01:57:57.140]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:57:57.140 --> 01:58:01.140]  Are you familiar with the concept of what I'm talking about?
[01:58:01.140 --> 01:58:03.140]  Okay.
[01:58:03.140 --> 01:58:06.140]  That's exactly what's going on here possibly.
[01:58:06.140 --> 01:58:07.140]  Possibly.
[01:58:07.140 --> 01:58:14.140]  Whatever was purchased had a statement or agreement attached to it that has given them the authority to do this.
[01:58:14.140 --> 01:58:19.140]  Now, in Texas, the company that was issuing those checks got sued by the attorney general
[01:58:19.140 --> 01:58:22.140]  and had to pay all that money back.
[01:58:22.140 --> 01:58:23.140]  Okay, but...
[01:58:23.140 --> 01:58:27.140]  That is something that is not identity theft.
[01:58:27.140 --> 01:58:28.140]  That's not identity theft.
[01:58:28.140 --> 01:58:34.140]  And before we can help you any further, Stefan, you need to look at the terms and conditions
[01:58:34.140 --> 01:58:39.140]  that you are agreeing to when you make a credit card purchase with that company.
[01:58:39.140 --> 01:58:42.140]  And you did make a credit card purchase with this company
[01:58:42.140 --> 01:58:48.140]  because it was your credit card with your name on it and you authorized your mother to use that credit card.
[01:58:48.140 --> 01:58:52.140]  So if you would please, before we get into hypotheticals, if this, if that,
[01:58:52.140 --> 01:58:58.140]  look at the terms and conditions of this company and what you're agreeing to when you make a credit card purchase with them.
[01:58:58.140 --> 01:59:01.140]  We'll be right back.
[01:59:01.140 --> 01:59:07.140]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy.
[01:59:07.140 --> 01:59:10.140]  And neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[01:59:10.140 --> 01:59:13.140]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[01:59:13.140 --> 01:59:14.140]  Brave New Books?
[01:59:14.140 --> 01:59:15.140]  Yes.
[01:59:15.140 --> 01:59:21.140]  Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Angie Edward Griffin.
[01:59:21.140 --> 01:59:25.140]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[01:59:25.140 --> 01:59:28.140]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[01:59:28.140 --> 01:59:33.140]  Go check it out for yourself. It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[01:59:33.140 --> 01:59:37.140]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[01:59:37.140 --> 01:59:44.140]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility, just behind the bookstore.
[01:59:44.140 --> 01:59:48.140]  It does exist, but when are they open?
[01:59:48.140 --> 01:59:53.140]  Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 9 PM, and 1 to 6 PM on Sundays.
[01:59:53.140 --> 02:00:22.140]  So give them a call at 512-480-2503, or check out their events page at Brave New Bookstore.