[00:00.000 --> 00:05.640]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:05.640 --> 00:10.400]  Congressional investigators said Wednesday two-thirds of the U.S. health insurance industry
[00:10.400 --> 00:16.560]  used a faulty database that overcharged patients for seeing doctors outside their insurance
[00:16.560 --> 00:22.240]  network, costing Americans billions of dollars in inflated medical bills.
[00:22.240 --> 00:28.640]  As the July release date for Bax's H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, investigative
[00:28.640 --> 00:35.120]  journalist Jane Burgermeister has filed criminal charges against the World Health Organization,
[00:35.120 --> 00:41.320]  the UN, and several high-ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism
[00:41.320 --> 00:44.520]  and attempts to commit mass murder.
[00:44.520 --> 00:49.840]  California's Comptroller John Chang said Wednesday he would have to issue IOUs in a
[00:49.840 --> 00:55.340]  week if lawmakers can't quickly solve a $24 billion budget deficit.
[00:55.340 --> 01:00.400]  Chang said next Wednesday we start a fiscal year with a massively unbalanced spending
[01:00.400 --> 01:11.400]  plan and a cash shortfall not seen since the Great Depression.
[01:11.400 --> 01:16.560]  John Leibowitz, chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, gave some ammunition Tuesday to
[01:16.560 --> 01:22.080]  those who want to ban pharmaceutical companies from paying competitors who agree to delay
[01:22.080 --> 01:24.720]  the introduction of generic drugs.
[01:24.720 --> 01:30.200]  Leibowitz said an internal study had determined that eliminating such payments would save
[01:30.200 --> 01:33.760]  consumers $3.5 billion a year.
[01:33.760 --> 01:39.120]  The so-called exclusion payments or pay-for-delay payments are the subject of several bills
[01:39.120 --> 01:43.120]  in Congress and of litigation throughout the country.
[01:43.120 --> 01:49.640]  Leibowitz called the payments anti-competitive and said Congress ought to ban them, adding,
[01:49.640 --> 01:55.440]  �You have a permissive and conflicting legal regime that allows pharmaceutical companies
[01:55.440 --> 01:58.920]  to make collusive deals on the backs of consumers.�
[01:58.920 --> 02:05.520]  The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to consider another version as soon as Thursday.
[02:05.520 --> 02:09.720]  Leibowitz said the payments have become more common because of rulings in the U.S. Circuit
[02:09.720 --> 02:14.280]  Courts of Appeals.
[02:14.280 --> 02:19.720]  Kendall Potter, a retired health insurance executive, confessed Wednesday that insurance
[02:19.720 --> 02:25.520]  companies deliberately confuse policyholders and attempt to dump sick patients to boost
[02:25.520 --> 02:26.760]  their profit margins.
[02:26.760 --> 02:32.560]  Potter, who has more than 20 years of experience working in public relations for insurance
[02:32.560 --> 02:38.960]  companies Cigna and Humana, told the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation,
[02:38.960 --> 02:44.480]  companies routinely drop seriously ill policyholders so they can meet Wall Street's relentless
[02:44.480 --> 02:46.200]  profit expectations.
[02:46.200 --> 02:52.420]  They look carefully to see if a sick policyholder may have omitted a minor illness or a pre-existing
[02:52.420 --> 02:57.960]  condition when applying for coverage, and then they use that as justification to cancel
[02:57.960 --> 02:58.960]  the policy.
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[03:10.480 --> 03:11.480]  I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind.
[03:11.480 --> 03:12.480]  There was something so pleasant about that place.
[03:12.480 --> 03:40.000]  Either your emotions had an echo in so much space, and when you're out there without
[03:40.000 --> 04:03.360]  a care, yeah, I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew
[04:03.360 --> 04:04.360]  too much.
[04:04.360 --> 04:32.880]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[04:32.880 --> 04:57.880]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[04:57.880 --> 05:26.440]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[05:26.440 --> 05:45.920]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[05:45.920 --> 06:06.440]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[06:06.440 --> 06:15.440]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[06:15.440 --> 06:31.080]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[06:31.080 --> 06:40.800]  I was out of touch, but it wasn't because I didn't know enough, I just knew too much.
[06:40.800 --> 06:50.160]  How do they have authority to collect a debt for someone other than themselves?
[06:50.160 --> 06:52.160]  What do they have from the principal?
[06:52.160 --> 06:56.760]  They're often claiming to be attorneys for the mortgage companies.
[06:56.760 --> 07:03.560]  Now this seems to me to be a contradiction or how can they be both entities?
[07:03.560 --> 07:06.560]  It doesn't make sense.
[07:06.560 --> 07:14.680]  Yeah, they could be attorneys collecting the debt for a principal.
[07:14.680 --> 07:20.640]  Now do be aware that there are many, many debt collectors that are attorneys firms and
[07:20.640 --> 07:24.840]  that is exactly how they word it no matter who they bought the debt from.
[07:24.840 --> 07:30.760]  Normally these are nothing more than debt collection agencies that are run and owned
[07:30.760 --> 07:32.080]  by attorneys.
[07:32.080 --> 07:37.960]  I've got some of those for the traffic tickets in Lufkin, Texas even though there's no warrant
[07:37.960 --> 07:44.680]  to my knowledge, I keep getting outstanding debt notices from a law firm stating that
[07:44.680 --> 07:50.600]  they're trying to collect on these debts for unadjudicated tickets.
[07:50.600 --> 07:55.560]  So that's what rain is getting to where these people have to show cause because I've got
[07:55.560 --> 08:01.280]  a letter already written up that is based on Texas law and the Fair Credit Reporting
[08:01.280 --> 08:09.880]  Act that will kick a debtor right in the teeth because you don't have to accept any application
[08:09.880 --> 08:11.800]  of a debtor's attempt to collect a debt.
[08:11.800 --> 08:17.360]  You can just simply tell them, I do not wish to engage or participate in any debt collection
[08:17.360 --> 08:19.200]  with a third party agent.
[08:19.200 --> 08:20.200]  Right.
[08:20.200 --> 08:23.520]  Well, I don't have a contract with a law firm.
[08:23.520 --> 08:27.000]  Wait a minute, that's the point.
[08:27.000 --> 08:29.920]  You don't have a contract.
[08:29.920 --> 08:36.280]  Does the original debtor have a contract with a law firm?
[08:36.280 --> 08:37.280]  That I don't know.
[08:37.280 --> 08:39.720]  I want to ask for that in discovery.
[08:39.720 --> 08:48.280]  That you absolutely need to know because without it, whoever raised this issue had no standing
[08:48.280 --> 08:50.120]  to come before the court.
[08:50.120 --> 08:51.120]  Right.
[08:51.120 --> 08:57.040]  So, they never invoked the subject matter jurisdiction of the court and it wasn't your
[08:57.040 --> 08:59.700]  place to make that determination.
[08:59.700 --> 09:02.760]  It was the judge's place to make that determination.
[09:02.760 --> 09:03.760]  Right.
[09:03.760 --> 09:11.100]  Reason being, it's the judge exercised jurisdiction.
[09:11.100 --> 09:17.840]  Before he can do that, he has to make sure he has it because if he doesn't have it, he's
[09:17.840 --> 09:19.840]  no different than a bum off the street.
[09:19.840 --> 09:20.840]  Right.
[09:20.840 --> 09:29.240]  Well, a bum off the street, have a more integrity but essentially, the judge has to make this
[09:29.240 --> 09:30.800]  determination.
[09:30.800 --> 09:37.880]  If you go through the records and you can find nothing in the records that establishes
[09:37.880 --> 09:44.920]  nothing from the principle, that establishes that the agent is in fact an agent for the
[09:44.920 --> 09:50.160]  principle, then you go after the judge.
[09:50.160 --> 09:56.040]  And that should be filed in the court in the county records, correct?
[09:56.040 --> 10:00.240]  Yes, this is how it's supposed to work.
[10:00.240 --> 10:03.440]  Someone goes in and files an original petition.
[10:03.440 --> 10:05.400]  Right.
[10:05.400 --> 10:10.200]  Before that judge does anything in the case, he needs to look at that original petition
[10:10.200 --> 10:15.440]  and determine whether or not it meets all of the legal requirements.
[10:15.440 --> 10:19.160]  I started to say statutory but there's more than statutory.
[10:19.160 --> 10:20.160]  Right.
[10:20.160 --> 10:27.400]  That it meets all of the requirements of law that would give the petitioner standing to
[10:27.400 --> 10:29.960]  bring these documents to the court.
[10:29.960 --> 10:34.800]  And then it has to determine whether or not if the person does have standing, whether
[10:34.800 --> 10:40.080]  or not the documents state a claim and there are a number of other things.
[10:40.080 --> 10:47.120]  But the very first thing, even before he looks at the document to see if it states a claim,
[10:47.120 --> 10:53.400]  he has to look at the petitioner and determine whether or not the petitioner has standing
[10:53.400 --> 10:54.880]  to come before the court.
[10:54.880 --> 10:57.000]  And this is so often missed.
[10:57.000 --> 11:06.800]  I helped someone in Austin who had a guy file a third party complaint, cross complaint.
[11:06.800 --> 11:13.000]  And how he did this, he was an attorney for this guy in a divorce proceeding and the guy
[11:13.000 --> 11:15.640]  fired him because he was a chump.
[11:15.640 --> 11:19.680]  And then the guy got in an argument with the county over taxes.
[11:19.680 --> 11:26.840]  Well this attorney came back and filed a petition as a third party petition in the lawsuit.
[11:26.840 --> 11:30.120]  And he'd been fighting this for a couple of years and brought it to me and I looked at
[11:30.120 --> 11:33.960]  it and I asked him where this guy gets standing.
[11:33.960 --> 11:34.960]  He doesn't have it.
[11:34.960 --> 11:35.960]  He's been fired.
[11:35.960 --> 11:40.760]  Where did he get, yeah, where did he get standing to enter the lawsuit?
[11:40.760 --> 11:45.800]  He had, it was just like me going down there and filing in the lawsuit.
[11:45.800 --> 11:56.240]  So where does this attorney get standing to act in the name of the principal as an agent?
[11:56.240 --> 11:59.560]  Agency cannot be proven from the mouth of the agent.
[11:59.560 --> 12:01.920]  It must be proven from the mouth of the principal.
[12:01.920 --> 12:06.520]  I can run down there and say, hey judge, I'm representing Mr. Skidmore.
[12:06.520 --> 12:11.040]  He's my bud here and I'm taking care of his business.
[12:11.040 --> 12:20.400]  And the judge kind of say, whoa, bubba, I just want you to do that.
[12:20.400 --> 12:24.840]  He should have said the same thing to these attorneys.
[12:24.840 --> 12:32.820]  You claim you're representing the principal, show me something from the principal that
[12:32.820 --> 12:37.520]  authorizes you to stand in place at the principal.
[12:37.520 --> 12:42.000]  The judge has to do that before he can exercise any authority.
[12:42.000 --> 12:49.280]  Otherwise, he's taking the risk of being sued personally and it doesn't matter whether or
[12:49.280 --> 12:53.480]  not these guys actually are representing the principal.
[12:53.480 --> 12:58.760]  They must prove that they're representing the principal in order to invoke the subject
[12:58.760 --> 13:01.840]  matter jurisdiction of the court.
[13:01.840 --> 13:09.560]  And this is a matter that can be challenged no matter how remote in history.
[13:09.560 --> 13:12.760]  And I suggest you go for the judge's throat.
[13:12.760 --> 13:16.960]  The judge is a criminal here.
[13:16.960 --> 13:24.440]  The judge is one that has no power to act or begin with and subjected you to all this
[13:24.440 --> 13:29.480]  mistreatment under the color of an non-existent authority.
[13:29.480 --> 13:31.560]  That's a class A misdemeanor in Texas.
[13:31.560 --> 13:34.200]  Well, Randy, what's the procedure for them to prove it?
[13:34.200 --> 13:40.080]  What if they've already filed documents with the court proving that they are the agent?
[13:40.080 --> 13:41.080]  Then they're the agent.
[13:41.080 --> 13:44.040]  And that was the question originally.
[13:44.040 --> 13:47.320]  Did they prove agency?
[13:47.320 --> 13:54.880]  Is there anything in the court record that from the principal?
[13:54.880 --> 13:58.640]  You just told me then where I need to look.
[13:58.640 --> 14:03.040]  I need to look not in the county records, but in the court records to see if the attorneys
[14:03.040 --> 14:07.520]  had filed anything in the court that gave them standing.
[14:07.520 --> 14:12.400]  Well, actually, the mortgage company would have had to be the ones to file it.
[14:12.400 --> 14:14.800]  And would that have been in?
[14:14.800 --> 14:20.760]  The attorneys could file a contract signed by the mortgage company.
[14:20.760 --> 14:27.000]  Well, the point is the mortgage company has to be the ones that are coming forth saying
[14:27.000 --> 14:29.200]  that they authorized these attorneys.
[14:29.200 --> 14:30.200]  Right.
[14:30.200 --> 14:31.200]  It's got to be from the principal.
[14:31.200 --> 14:32.200]  Exactly.
[14:32.200 --> 14:33.200]  That's what I'm trying to say.
[14:33.200 --> 14:40.320]  So it can't really come from the attorneys.
[14:40.320 --> 14:44.040]  And it doesn't matter if it exists.
[14:44.040 --> 14:50.640]  If it doesn't exist within the court records, the court can't look at it.
[14:50.640 --> 14:52.720]  It doesn't exist for the court.
[14:52.720 --> 14:57.200]  So it has to be in that file.
[14:57.200 --> 14:58.200]  Okay.
[14:58.200 --> 15:03.080]  And there almost never are.
[15:03.080 --> 15:04.080]  That's so primary.
[15:04.080 --> 15:05.080]  The court doesn't do this.
[15:05.080 --> 15:06.560]  And the attorneys just blow it off.
[15:06.560 --> 15:10.760]  But then other attorneys don't go after judges' floats.
[15:10.760 --> 15:16.400]  But your prosaity, I don't care if that judge just takes off that you're not.
[15:16.400 --> 15:20.000]  You're not going to bring a client before him tomorrow that he can screw royal.
[15:20.000 --> 15:21.000]  Exactly.
[15:21.000 --> 15:27.280]  So I don't care if you're mad, judge, I'm running a career for you.
[15:27.280 --> 15:33.200]  And that's the power we as prosaities have once we understand we have that power.
[15:33.200 --> 15:34.200]  Right.
[15:34.200 --> 15:36.560]  I don't go and ask the judge to do anything.
[15:36.560 --> 15:41.360]  Here's the law, here are the facts, and this is what you're supposed to do.
[15:41.360 --> 15:46.240]  And when he doesn't do it, I take off my litigant's hat, I put on my sovereign's hat, and me and
[15:46.240 --> 15:47.240]  you are going to fight, judge.
[15:47.240 --> 15:51.440]  We're going to have a legal battle and I'm going to do everything I can to get you torn
[15:51.440 --> 15:52.440]  off the bench.
[15:52.440 --> 15:56.960]  And when we get done with this fight, I'm going to go back to the court, take off my
[15:56.960 --> 16:01.840]  sovereign's hat, put my litigant's hat back on, and say, okay, where were we?
[16:01.840 --> 16:04.640]  And we'll continue.
[16:04.640 --> 16:13.360]  But any time the court fails to do its job, we should go after the courts.
[16:13.360 --> 16:15.800]  That'll get this mess fixed.
[16:15.800 --> 16:20.920]  The judges start getting sued for what these unscrupulous attorneys are doing because the
[16:20.920 --> 16:24.160]  judge is allowing them to.
[16:24.160 --> 16:26.160]  The judge has stopped this nonsense.
[16:26.160 --> 16:31.160]  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[16:31.160 --> 16:33.160]  There you go.
[16:33.160 --> 16:34.160]  Okay.
[16:34.160 --> 16:35.160]  Okay.
[16:35.160 --> 16:36.160]  Any more issues?
[16:36.160 --> 16:37.160]  Yeah.
[16:37.160 --> 16:39.240]  I did want to ask you one more question.
[16:39.240 --> 16:40.240]  Okay.
[16:40.240 --> 16:41.240]  One more question on the other side.
[16:41.240 --> 16:42.240]  We'll be right back.
[16:42.240 --> 16:43.240]  Okay.
[16:43.240 --> 16:59.920]  All right.
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[24:49.960 --> 24:50.960]  Right.
[24:50.960 --> 24:57.960]  So we need to do one on how to answer questions or how to handle questions.
[24:57.960 --> 25:00.960]  Okay, we've got a couple of new callers.
[25:00.960 --> 25:01.960]  Yes, Steve.
[25:01.960 --> 25:03.960]  Thank you, Steve.
[25:03.960 --> 25:04.960]  Thank you, Steve.
[25:04.960 --> 25:06.960]  This is awesome.
[25:06.960 --> 25:07.960]  Bye now.
[25:07.960 --> 25:08.960]  Okay, bye-bye.
[25:08.960 --> 25:09.960]  All right.
[25:09.960 --> 25:12.960]  We're going to go now to Joyce in New Jersey.
[25:12.960 --> 25:13.960]  Hi.
[25:13.960 --> 25:14.960]  How are you?
[25:14.960 --> 25:15.960]  Good.
[25:15.960 --> 25:16.960]  Thanks for calling in.
[25:16.960 --> 25:17.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[25:17.960 --> 25:24.960]  Well, I had a couple of questions, but I also wanted to tell your caller, Steve, we've gotten
[25:24.960 --> 25:31.960]  some things out of Washington on the foreclosure issues that should help you go back after
[25:31.960 --> 25:33.960]  the bank.
[25:33.960 --> 25:41.960]  One recent act was the Financial Fund Restitution Act.
[25:41.960 --> 25:48.960]  And also we have the Attorney General looking very closely at these things.
[25:48.960 --> 25:55.960]  We have a real aggressive person in consumer protection here in New Jersey now, which surprised
[25:55.960 --> 25:58.960]  that, but happily surprised.
[25:58.960 --> 26:05.960]  And New York is – I don't know where you're at, Steve, but New York's Attorney General
[26:05.960 --> 26:08.960]  is getting involved in a lot of these issues.
[26:08.960 --> 26:17.960]  So don't hesitate letting outside agencies know, you know, what's going on in the courts,
[26:17.960 --> 26:23.960]  because we know that the courts are incorporated.
[26:23.960 --> 26:35.960]  We know that they – if you look at the ratio of cases that are tried and cases that are
[26:35.960 --> 26:42.960]  lost, you can't help but know that there's something seriously wrong.
[26:42.960 --> 26:48.960]  And the gentleman that spoke about financial incentives for an attorney that's representing
[26:48.960 --> 26:56.960]  a defendant to sell his client down the river, those things are very real.
[26:56.960 --> 27:08.960]  We've gone so far as to ask outside law enforcement to monitor these activities however
[27:08.960 --> 27:09.960]  they can.
[27:09.960 --> 27:11.960]  I don't know how to catch these people.
[27:11.960 --> 27:14.960]  And I don't think we're leaving a paper trail.
[27:14.960 --> 27:20.960]  So I don't think that they're, you know, being cut into by county treasurers or anybody
[27:20.960 --> 27:22.960]  like that.
[27:22.960 --> 27:26.960]  Here we weren't talking about one attorney paying another.
[27:26.960 --> 27:30.960]  We're talking about the court itself paying the attorney.
[27:30.960 --> 27:37.960]  And when the court starts moving funds around, they always leave tracks.
[27:37.960 --> 27:42.960]  We just have to find tracks.
[27:42.960 --> 27:50.960]  Well, I hope that, you know, we can figure out how to do that because we know that it's
[27:50.960 --> 27:52.960]  happening.
[27:52.960 --> 27:55.960]  I mean, it's just so obvious.
[27:55.960 --> 27:59.960]  If you're sitting in court, I want to just show you in my case too because I did something
[27:59.960 --> 28:09.960]  a little unconventional and it's really, I haven't heard of anybody else doing it.
[28:09.960 --> 28:14.960]  So I kind of mixed a couple of different people that I studied with and mixed their procedures
[28:14.960 --> 28:17.960]  around and used them in my case.
[28:17.960 --> 28:22.960]  I know that I sent you my second amended complaint, Randy.
[28:22.960 --> 28:27.960]  And we've been dancing through the courts on that for a year.
[28:27.960 --> 28:31.960]  And I basically kept giving them enough work to hang themselves.
[28:31.960 --> 28:36.960]  And I told them I had done all discovery and I had it all.
[28:36.960 --> 28:45.960]  And I just filed it into the case two weeks ago, filed it in to the judge and all the discovery
[28:45.960 --> 28:48.960]  into the judge's file.
[28:48.960 --> 28:55.960]  And after they got it, they walked out from conference in the back room and pointed at me.
[28:55.960 --> 28:59.960]  I was the last one in the courtroom, of course, again.
[28:59.960 --> 29:04.960]  But I had two witnesses with me and they sent a bailiff out and he pointed at me.
[29:04.960 --> 29:06.960]  And I have no idea what the question was.
[29:06.960 --> 29:10.960]  Probably, who the heck filed this, you know?
[29:10.960 --> 29:19.960]  But what I did was they have violated so many of my rights along the way.
[29:19.960 --> 29:29.960]  They've long since violated my CD trial rights that I filed a criminal counter complaint into the case.
[29:29.960 --> 29:32.960]  And then they healed the sick.
[29:32.960 --> 29:37.960]  So this was their opportunity to cure.
[29:37.960 --> 29:42.960]  Of course, the three days went by and I had a meeting with a public defender
[29:42.960 --> 29:47.960]  that I had already revoked the power of attorney from and advised him that he was...
[29:47.960 --> 29:49.960]  Okay, listen, Joyce, we're going to break.
[29:49.960 --> 29:51.960]  Can you please hang on to the other side?
[29:51.960 --> 29:53.960]  Sure, I will do.
[29:53.960 --> 29:54.960]  Okay, great.
[29:54.960 --> 29:58.960]  All right, we'll be right back.
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[30:07.960 --> 30:11.960]  and instability in world financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
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[31:22.960 --> 31:29.960]  Now I won't, oh I won't
[31:29.960 --> 31:37.960]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes
[31:37.960 --> 31:44.960]  I certainly must refuse your nose, also cut in line
[31:44.960 --> 31:52.960]  It seems you like the face, but please take some words to the wise
[31:52.960 --> 32:18.960]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes
[32:18.960 --> 32:36.960]  An orange is an orange and will never be an apple
[32:36.960 --> 32:44.960]  This image is enough, it is no tough concept to grapple
[32:44.960 --> 32:52.960]  It's just too much to bear, I won't wear your evil shackles
[32:52.960 --> 33:15.960]  A bluebird is a bluebird and will never be a crackle
[33:15.960 --> 33:31.960]  Please stop listening
[33:31.960 --> 33:39.960]  Can you say cover up, what's up, cat got you done
[33:39.960 --> 33:46.960]  Please open your eyes further, don't help murder these soldiers so young
[33:46.960 --> 33:54.960]  To profit from criminals at minimum must make you one
[33:54.960 --> 34:12.960]  Can you say cover up, what's up, cat got you done
[34:12.960 --> 34:32.960]  Yeah
[34:32.960 --> 34:40.960]  If they walk like ducks and stand like ducks it is likely
[34:40.960 --> 34:47.960]  To hear the sound of quacks would lead to facts to be set free
[34:47.960 --> 34:55.960]  The facts would lead to words, thus my words would quack freely
[34:55.960 --> 35:12.960]  If they walk like ducks and stand like ducks then ducks they must be
[35:12.960 --> 35:38.960]  Quack, quack, quack
[35:38.960 --> 35:45.960]  Okay, we are back. Rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[35:45.960 --> 35:51.960]  Okay, we are speaking with Joyce in New Jersey. Sorry Joyce, we had to cut to break. Please go ahead.
[35:51.960 --> 36:03.960]  Well that's okay. Anyway, for those who are not familiar with New Hilda State, it's Admiralty jurisdiction.
[36:03.960 --> 36:08.960]  But we know that they're operating under his rule and they're incorporated.
[36:08.960 --> 36:16.960]  So you can claim Admiralty jurisdiction in your pleadings, which is what I did in my criminal complaint.
[36:16.960 --> 36:26.960]  Wait, stop. How do I get Admiralty jurisdiction out of the air and down on the ground?
[36:26.960 --> 36:39.960]  Well, I'll send you a study I did on Admiralty maritime law and what the bar associations have done, Randy, is that they have combined deliberately.
[36:39.960 --> 36:45.960]  Well, they've deliberately infiltrated every segment of our society and legislation.
[36:45.960 --> 36:53.960]  Okay, wait. Now I cannot get there through speculation. I have to get there directly through law.
[36:53.960 --> 36:59.960]  Rather they've infiltrated or not, those are accusations. And I get this kind of thing.
[36:59.960 --> 37:10.960]  I really need to be able to walk a judge point by point with law to maritime and that's what I've never been able to get.
[37:10.960 --> 37:17.960]  Well, I will. I'll send you a complete study in history I did on maritime Admiralty law.
[37:17.960 --> 37:25.960]  And you'll see what I mean. It's really a little complicated, too much to go into right here and now.
[37:25.960 --> 37:32.960]  But at any rate, you establish the jurisdiction of the court by the sufficiency of your pleadings.
[37:32.960 --> 37:36.960]  And I did that in my criminal complaint.
[37:36.960 --> 37:45.960]  And at least I know that I'm not doing things the way they do things, but I don't like the way they do things.
[37:45.960 --> 37:50.960]  Okay. So I did it my way.
[37:50.960 --> 37:56.960]  Okay. I had a Sam Davis on and we were talking about these issues.
[37:56.960 --> 38:05.960]  And when we would get to a hard question, he would say, well, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe.
[38:05.960 --> 38:12.960]  And I told him, Guy, this is not a class on theology. This is law.
[38:12.960 --> 38:18.960]  It's not about what I believe or what I don't believe. It's about what the law says.
[38:18.960 --> 38:31.960]  Now, I understand once I'm in maritime law that I can do lots of things and I can claim maritime jurisdiction.
[38:31.960 --> 38:39.960]  But maritime jurisdiction only exists if it exists as a matter of law.
[38:39.960 --> 38:52.960]  Once I can get past that part, you know, that's the same issue I brought up with Skidmore over these attorneys having standing to bring the issue.
[38:52.960 --> 38:55.960]  It took standing to invoke the jurisdiction.
[38:55.960 --> 39:08.960]  So how do I invoke the maritime jurisdiction and pull it off the water or down from the air, down to the ground where the statutes normally live?
[39:08.960 --> 39:12.960]  If I can get there, then I will be just thrilled.
[39:12.960 --> 39:21.960]  Well, in a nutshell, they operate under admiralty law without disclosing that.
[39:21.960 --> 39:28.960]  And the evidence of that is in the way they adjudicate through summary judgment.
[39:28.960 --> 39:30.960]  No, can't do that.
[39:30.960 --> 39:40.960]  Now we're going back to legal conclusions. They claim to be operating under a statutory law,
[39:40.960 --> 39:44.960]  and you say while they claim to be operating under statutory law,
[39:44.960 --> 39:50.960]  the kinds of decisions they're making indicate that they're operating under maritime.
[39:50.960 --> 39:53.960]  I can't get there from here.
[39:53.960 --> 40:01.960]  You will after I send you what I'm going to send you, and I'll power that computer up and send it to you.
[40:01.960 --> 40:07.960]  I'm sorry I didn't. I sent it to a lot of people in the group.
[40:07.960 --> 40:17.960]  And frankly, I understand that this is complex, and I appreciate that it's complex, and that's not a problem.
[40:17.960 --> 40:27.960]  As long as we never go to a legal conclusion, I can't get there by legal conclusion.
[40:27.960 --> 40:36.960]  I have to be able to take my judge and walk him right down the statutes on these are the facts and this is the law.
[40:36.960 --> 40:44.960]  And I'm going to maintain this judge doesn't have any authority to draw any conclusions about the law,
[40:44.960 --> 40:47.960]  only about how it applies to the facts.
[40:47.960 --> 40:55.960]  So in doing that, I can't draw any conclusions about the law, only how it applies to the facts.
[40:55.960 --> 41:01.960]  When you plead a counter complaint, when you have all the discoveries on you proving the fraud,
[41:01.960 --> 41:07.960]  if there was fraud on the court or if there was no plaintiff with no standing,
[41:07.960 --> 41:15.960]  and I'm filing this counter complaint, I filed it into a criminal case that should have long been dismissed,
[41:15.960 --> 41:21.960]  but instead of dismissing it, they went ahead and indicted and reported it to the newspaper.
[41:21.960 --> 41:24.960]  Then I went ballistic.
[41:24.960 --> 41:29.960]  I went ballistic on the public defender's office, and I said it's not okay that you do it to me.
[41:29.960 --> 41:33.960]  It's not okay that you do it to everybody. It's just not okay.
[41:33.960 --> 41:36.960]  That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's not okay.
[41:36.960 --> 41:47.960]  I have some case law on that that police and prosecutors and other public officials often adopt patterns
[41:47.960 --> 41:55.960]  through no ill purpose or from no lack of proper training that are improper.
[41:55.960 --> 42:05.960]  And if not corrected, they will take on the force of law, but they never take on the authority of law.
[42:05.960 --> 42:14.960]  So yes, the fact that everybody does it and they've been doing it, that does not give it legal sanction.
[42:14.960 --> 42:20.960]  What I do, I get this all the time. I had this all day today.
[42:20.960 --> 42:26.960]  Well, this is the way we've been doing it for the last 20 years. Okay, your point is?
[42:26.960 --> 42:31.960]  It doesn't matter how you've been doing it for the last 20, 30, 50, 100 years.
[42:31.960 --> 42:36.960]  It matters what the law says. I'm sorry, I think I'm a little bit off point there.
[42:36.960 --> 42:39.960]  No, it's okay. Anyway.
[42:39.960 --> 42:45.960]  This is Eddie. I would also like to see a copy of that information if you don't mind.
[42:45.960 --> 42:56.960]  Okay. I'll send it on to Randy, and maybe he'll put it up on his archive.
[42:56.960 --> 43:00.960]  I will after I've read it.
[43:00.960 --> 43:02.960]  Pardon me?
[43:02.960 --> 43:06.960]  Oh, I'll put it up on my Web site after I've read it.
[43:06.960 --> 43:14.960]  Right. It says the history on animal feed maritime law, and it shows you why you can do it because they do it.
[43:14.960 --> 43:24.960]  And that's your defense. You know, if they say you can't do this, you say, well, I can do this, and here's why.
[43:24.960 --> 43:32.960]  Well, if they are actually using maritime law, that's the precedent that I need.
[43:32.960 --> 43:40.960]  But if they're using statutory law that only looks like maritime law, that I can't do.
[43:40.960 --> 43:50.960]  Or if they're using UCC that looks like maritime, I can't say that because it looks like maritime, it is maritime.
[43:50.960 --> 43:56.960]  I bring this up because I've read into this. I've had this argument presented to me.
[43:56.960 --> 44:01.960]  Well, this is just what they do in maritime, so therefore it's maritime.
[44:01.960 --> 44:09.960]  And no, no, no, it ain't. It only looks like it. Does that make sense?
[44:09.960 --> 44:14.960]  Yeah. But what also makes sense to me is you establish jurisdiction.
[44:14.960 --> 44:23.960]  You invoke the jurisdiction of the court by the sufficiency of your plea. So if you claim maritime jurisdiction and you.
[44:23.960 --> 44:33.960]  Yeah. Well, see, the problem with that is, is I can stand in Texas and claim Oklahoma jurisdiction all I want to.
[44:33.960 --> 44:39.960]  But Oklahoma will never have jurisdiction in Texas because it doesn't buy law.
[44:39.960 --> 44:48.960]  And the fact that I file a pleading that has the appearance of invoking maritime jurisdiction.
[44:48.960 --> 45:00.960]  Maritime jurisdiction by law has to apply to the place I'm invoking it or it doesn't make any difference.
[45:00.960 --> 45:11.960]  And I only say that because in the last couple of years, trying to get to maritime law, these are the things that come up.
[45:11.960 --> 45:19.960]  Well, when you have upwards of 30 counts of criminal activity,
[45:19.960 --> 45:30.960]  all fraud within a criminal complaint against a criminal action against the solver.
[45:30.960 --> 45:41.960]  When they have upwards of 30 counts of criminal activity against me in the process of trying to mail me,
[45:41.960 --> 45:54.960]  then I just, you know, I basically went ahead and did all the discovery, filed the first criminal complaint and notified all officers of the court.
[45:54.960 --> 45:59.960]  I notified the people when I was in jail that I had been kidnapped.
[45:59.960 --> 46:01.960]  OK, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[46:01.960 --> 46:07.960]  You won't believe how many or maybe you probably will believe how many stories like this I get.
[46:07.960 --> 46:12.960]  But that still doesn't get us out of the statutory law.
[46:12.960 --> 46:19.960]  And frankly, I find no real need for maritime law.
[46:19.960 --> 46:23.960]  Maritime law for me would be would be an adjunct.
[46:23.960 --> 46:26.960]  It would be an addition to what I have.
[46:26.960 --> 46:34.960]  But I got lots of tools to beat the crap out of them with the law that they pretend to follow.
[46:34.960 --> 46:53.960]  So I want to get to maritime law, but I won't risk my case or my position trying to force maritime law onto a field of endeavor where it doesn't may or may not apply.
[46:53.960 --> 46:59.960]  Yeah, one of the key things you may want to keep in mind about all this is that in some cases,
[46:59.960 --> 47:04.960]  there are many people that go with a conspiracy theory on just about everything.
[47:04.960 --> 47:09.960]  And I believe a lot of them are conspiratorial in nature and what they produce.
[47:09.960 --> 47:20.960]  But instead of going on the blind obligation that it's a mass conspiracy, just consider the fact it's more likely and much more probable it's mass stupidity.
[47:20.960 --> 47:23.960]  Or generic corruption.
[47:23.960 --> 47:30.960]  Just downright, everyday, ordinary. The guys just don't know any better.
[47:30.960 --> 47:46.960]  And that's really more that's pretty profound because a lot of times I sit in front of police prosecutors and judges when I'm not before them in an adversarial circumstance and walk through the code with them.
[47:46.960 --> 47:56.960]  And very often they're they're more than candid with me to let me know that they don't like the system they're in.
[47:56.960 --> 48:00.960]  And they absolutely know that it's corrupt.
[48:00.960 --> 48:03.960]  But they're stuck inside it.
[48:03.960 --> 48:09.960]  And they can't fix it. And they feel like they have to follow what everybody else is doing.
[48:09.960 --> 48:16.960]  I once had a justice of the peace when I presented the argument to her, sit there and cries.
[48:16.960 --> 48:25.960]  Her name is Mary Mautzenbacher and say, Mr. Kelton, you're telling me that that for the last 20 years, I've been mistreating everyone that come in front of me.
[48:25.960 --> 48:33.960]  I'm not saying it, Mary. The law says it. I didn't make this up. This is just what it is.
[48:33.960 --> 48:40.960]  She still couldn't go against what everybody was doing.
[48:40.960 --> 48:57.960]  And the reason I bring that up is if we just take what everybody's using and learn and find the checks and balances that exist in what's already there,
[48:57.960 --> 49:15.960]  we have some really powerful tools to use. And I'm frustrated seeing people trying to find tools that the those people in positions of authority simply ignore.
[49:15.960 --> 49:21.960]  Now, from my perspective, if the law commands you to do something, you ignore it.
[49:21.960 --> 49:28.960]  I can get in a fight with you. The problem is I can get more fights than I can ever get to.
[49:28.960 --> 49:37.960]  And it dilutes all my energy. So I stopped doing that. Now I go for where I can hit them the hardest.
[49:37.960 --> 49:44.960]  And I want to hit them in a place they will very quickly recognize and understand.
[49:44.960 --> 49:53.960]  Going to the Maritime would be great if I could cloak the Maritime in a metaphor,
[49:53.960 --> 50:04.960]  in a frame of reference that the person, the judge or the prosecutor could sit there and look at and readily understand.
[50:04.960 --> 50:09.960]  Well, you don't have to go to the Maritime to file liens against their bonds.
[50:09.960 --> 50:16.960]  I mean, there's a legitimate process for that. And that is hitting them very hard where it hurts in the pocketbook.
[50:16.960 --> 50:23.960]  And, you know, like I was given the analogy of holding the newspaper over the bird's head
[50:23.960 --> 50:31.960]  and holding out your hand with the with the glove on it to tell it step up so you can put it back in the cage.
[50:31.960 --> 50:42.960]  You know, it's not going to want to step up on your hand on the glove, but the newspaper holding over its head is going to give you the leverage to make it do what it is supposed to do,
[50:42.960 --> 50:49.960]  what you want it to do. And that's the way I see the commercial law in dealing with these public servants.
[50:49.960 --> 50:57.960]  It's like it should be enough to make them follow the law by filing criminal complaints and stuff, but it just isn't always enough.
[50:57.960 --> 51:04.960]  Okay. And so we need that little extra leverage. And that's where I see where the commercial law comes in and the liens and the bonds and stuff like that.
[51:04.960 --> 51:09.960]  So, but we don't even need to go to Maritime Law to deal with that.
[51:09.960 --> 51:18.960]  But you do need to you need you do need to have a little bit of knowledge of commercial law and you need to file your UCC-1 and all that kind of thing in order to do that.
[51:18.960 --> 51:34.960]  That's precisely it. This is I see the Maritime as being able to use it as a newspaper. I can hang over their head and smack them with it and get influence them to do the right thing.
[51:34.960 --> 51:42.960]  But if it's so arcane and I have to reach so far that my listener has no idea what I'm talking about.
[51:42.960 --> 51:50.960]  That's what I'm saying. You don't even need to use the Maritime Law to do the liens. It's not even necessary to even go there.
[51:50.960 --> 51:56.960]  To challenge the bonds, if we think of bonds as insurance, it's easier to understand how we can do that.
[51:56.960 --> 52:07.960]  But and there are methods already well written into standing law to do that with. In the counties, it's a tort letter.
[52:07.960 --> 52:18.960]  In the Fed, you go to risk management and make a claim to risk management. And this is a claim against their insurance or their bonds.
[52:18.960 --> 52:31.960]  So that's already in place in this way to do that. When we go out and start filing notice of lien, we're stepping off into very deep and very complex water.
[52:31.960 --> 52:44.960]  The Republic of Texas did that and got a lot of people in a lot of trouble because the guys proposing it clearly did not understand what a lien was.
[52:44.960 --> 52:52.960]  Now, I've looked at what Tim Turner and some other folks are doing, and they clearly understand what a lien is.
[52:52.960 --> 53:02.960]  And they used the Maritime to create the lien. And then they filed a notice of the lien they created in the Maritime.
[53:02.960 --> 53:08.960]  The Republic of Texas seemed to have jumped over the step of actually legally creating the lien.
[53:08.960 --> 53:21.960]  My problem is, are they creating the lien in a area of law that does not apply on the ground?
[53:21.960 --> 53:29.960]  Even though they're doing everything right, if Maritime actually did apply, they did everything right.
[53:29.960 --> 53:38.960]  But if Maritime didn't apply, then they're filing notice of a lien they thought they created when they really didn't.
[53:38.960 --> 53:45.960]  And that can get you in big trouble.
[53:45.960 --> 54:04.960]  Well, the commercial process, whether it be on the private side or in the public, it is a process by which you can get remedy.
[54:04.960 --> 54:18.960]  Yes, it is, but it's like walking through a minefield. One false step and this whole thing can blow up in your face.
[54:18.960 --> 54:28.960]  When you're going to another person and say, I want to take everything you own, this is a really big deal.
[54:28.960 --> 54:34.960]  And you can do tremendous harm quickly.
[54:34.960 --> 54:40.960]  When they violate your rights that severely, I honestly believe there's going to be some casualties.
[54:40.960 --> 54:53.960]  But there's got to be people that are going to take them to the test and hit them so hard financially that they will all rethink their policies,
[54:53.960 --> 55:08.960]  and realize that we're going to encourage other people to do the same, to demand their rights, to demand remedy, to demand restitution.
[55:08.960 --> 55:14.960]  That's the only way we're going to affect change is if we cost them so much.
[55:14.960 --> 55:23.960]  I absolutely agree that we need to be able to affect some kind of serious retribution.
[55:23.960 --> 55:47.960]  The problem is, is when we start affecting serious retribution, we have to be extremely careful so that we don't affect a harm that's not absolutely legally sound.
[55:47.960 --> 56:00.960]  Because then the sky can fall in on you. We had Russell earlier and he's very, very familiar with how incredibly dangerous that is.
[56:00.960 --> 56:14.960]  The area I work in, because I use the law they use every day and take their law and beat them over the head with it, the one they use every day, it keeps me clean.
[56:14.960 --> 56:23.960]  I go in here, like today, if you'd have been with me, with Eddie and I, it got real intense in there.
[56:23.960 --> 56:29.960]  When I called the police department and they asked me to describe myself so they'd know who I was, I said,
[56:29.960 --> 56:37.960]  oh, just go find the guy that's sitting on the bench and he's got a half a dozen people with guns on all frowning at him.
[56:37.960 --> 56:39.960]  That'll be me.
[56:39.960 --> 56:47.960]  I do that to them, but because when they come up against me, they bump into their very own law.
[56:47.960 --> 56:58.960]  All of a sudden, they don't want to step into this pool because they see it getting very deep for them and they very clearly understand it.
[56:58.960 --> 57:06.960]  And they know that I am absolutely squeaky clean. They can't touch me.
[57:06.960 --> 57:13.960]  When you start filing liens, you make yourself vulnerable.
[57:13.960 --> 57:16.960]  And that's part of what frightens me about it.
[57:16.960 --> 57:21.960]  Well, if you don't know what you're doing, I mean, if you know what you're doing, it's not.
[57:21.960 --> 57:29.960]  It's like what you said a minute ago, Deborah, about how, you know, when they start doing all these things to cause you harm by violating your rights, you know, you have to fight back.
[57:29.960 --> 57:36.960]  Well, a good analogy of that is a hail of bullets can cause you harm, but there are several ways to deal with this hail of bullets.
[57:36.960 --> 57:41.960]  The most obviously ignorant one is jumping out in the middle of them saying, stop.
[57:41.960 --> 57:43.960]  That was not going to get you very far.
[57:43.960 --> 57:52.960]  You either have to find a way to take away their ammunition to fire it at you to begin with or a way to foolproof, deflect the ammunition from getting to you in the first place.
[57:52.960 --> 57:54.960]  And that's what Randy's point is.
[57:54.960 --> 58:02.960]  Don't jump off in the deep end of the pool when you don't know how to swim and too many people are doing that.
[58:02.960 --> 58:05.960]  Oh, yeah. I mean, I understand that point.
[58:05.960 --> 58:10.960]  I worry about this because it is so complex.
[58:10.960 --> 58:14.960]  I've been studying due process for 30 years.
[58:14.960 --> 58:18.960]  I've been looking at the commercial process for quite a while.
[58:18.960 --> 58:24.960]  I'm an engineer to start with, so I understand how to put these pieces together.
[58:24.960 --> 58:33.960]  Frankly, no one has given me enough pieces yet to put the maritime together.
[58:33.960 --> 58:38.960]  And so to use it without having all these pieces is terrifying.
[58:38.960 --> 58:46.960]  And for someone who hasn't been motivated to spend 30 years on this kind of thing, this is really dangerous stuff.
[58:46.960 --> 58:51.960]  What I tell people to do is, for the most part, pretty safe.
[58:51.960 --> 58:56.960]  Well, and I'm not advocating to do it.
[58:56.960 --> 58:59.960]  I'm reporting to you that I've done it.
[58:59.960 --> 59:12.960]  And what has been happening before that is for a year they were trying to get me to take a sleep organ when I'm totally innocent.
[59:12.960 --> 59:16.960]  And I have all the proof that I'm totally innocent.
[59:16.960 --> 59:24.960]  And that they prosecuted a victim rather than the criminal if there was an alleged crime.
[59:24.960 --> 59:29.960]  And we're still – they don't have any proof of that.
[59:29.960 --> 59:31.960]  I wish this was uncommon.
[59:31.960 --> 59:34.960]  I would love to say this is uncommon.
[59:34.960 --> 59:36.960]  I've never heard of this before.
[59:36.960 --> 59:45.960]  But there's one thing that I have seen is it's people like you that help get the system fixed.
[59:45.960 --> 59:48.960]  You didn't lay down and roll over for them.
[59:48.960 --> 01:00:00.960]  And the longer you keep the battle up, the more difficult it becomes for them and the more problems they have because they tend to be incompetent.
[01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:10.960]  Us, you know, we're doing this, we're looking at a large mountain in front of us, and we know we have to climb it, and we know we have to be very careful climbing it.
[01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.960]  So we put a lot of time and struggle into it.
[01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:24.960]  These guys are so arrogant and so accustomed to doing it the way they do it, it's hard for them to shift gears.
[01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:31.960]  And I mentioned today that I appreciated the security at the courthouse in Randall County.
[01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:40.960]  And the reason I appreciated them so much was from my study of psychology.
[01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:46.960]  They do the same thing every day, day after day after day after day.
[01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.960]  So they become very accustomed to doing the same thing.
[01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.960]  And then I come in there and I kick the struts out from under them.
[01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.960]  I switch up everything.
[01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:12.960]  And these guys had the requisite ability to draw on different resources and act differently in a different situation.
[01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:20.960]  I go into so many courthouses, and the people know they're going to have a problem from this.
[01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:26.960]  They know they're being set up, but they just cannot help themselves.
[01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.960]  They don't have the requisite variability to change what they're doing.
[01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:38.960]  And this is what you run into when you've got someone like Joyce who will hang in there with them and stay right after them.
[01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:45.960]  They keep doing the same thing, and after a while it begins to weigh down on them.
[01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:51.960]  And people win. Skidmore won. Julio called the other day.
[01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:58.960]  I've been talking to Julio for three or four years on this issue, and he has been struggling with it.
[01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:04.960]  He spent time in jail over it, but he just never quit.
[01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.960]  He just stayed after them, and he won the whole enchilada.
[01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:15.960]  Now he gets to go after them with a civil lawsuit, which they've lost before it begun.
[01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:25.960]  So if there's anything that's going to win us this battle, it's being careful and exercising perseverance.
[01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.960]  And I salute you, Joyce, for hanging in there with them.
[01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:30.960]  Well, thank you.
[01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:40.960]  I appreciate your prayers, and I appreciate you being a guest on Your Remedy is in the Law,
[01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.960]  because I'm one of those calls just about every night.
[01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.960]  And those people need...
[01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.960]  Your remedy is who? It's run by Michael Who?
[01:02:51.960 --> 01:03:01.960]  I mean, that's the utopia that we all hope for is that Your Remedy really is in the Law.
[01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:10.960]  And it is in the Law, and it's also in perseverance.
[01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.960]  Don't expect to win all the battles.
[01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:19.960]  You only win the ones you have to. Let them win the rest of them.
[01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:27.960]  Then as long as we keep hanging in there and never quit, eventually we're going to wear them down.
[01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:29.960]  Okay. Thanks for calling, Joyce.
[01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.960]  You're welcome.
[01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:34.960]  Okay.
[01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:35.960]  Okay.
[01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:37.960]  Let's go now to Brian in Pennsylvania.
[01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.960]  And by the way, Randy, there are ways to file liens on these people's bonds without having to go to Maritime,
[01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:44.960]  because that's what I've been studying myself.
[01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:46.960]  Good. Yeah, I want to see that.
[01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:47.960]  So let's go to Brian.
[01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.960]  Brian, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:56.960]  Oh, boy, I might have almost forgot.
[01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:03.960]  Well, Brian, my mother tells me that's not going to get better.
[01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.960]  No, I'm kidding.
[01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:17.960]  Actually, I did a quick search, and again, Cornell Law site has got some good write-ups on Admiralty Maritime.
[01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:22.960]  I go there a bunch. It's got really good research. Do you guys know about that?
[01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:24.960]  Yeah, I use it all the time.
[01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:33.960]  Does it give me a way to definitively pull the Maritime down out of the air, down onto the ground?
[01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:41.960]  If I can make that connection and show absolutely that there is Maritime jurisdiction.
[01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:49.960]  I'm still looking for a way to definitively pull equity out of thin air, because that's not defined in Constitution at all.
[01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:54.960]  All that's in Constitution is Admiralty and common law, from what I can see.
[01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:00.960]  So I'm still looking for a way to show that even equity courts are real.
[01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.960]  But yeah, go ahead, Brian.
[01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:05.960]  Well, I'm not able to give you that, Randy.
[01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.960]  I don't know how to make that connection from C to land law.
[01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:14.960]  The jurisdiction matters there, but maybe other people could articulate it better.
[01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:23.960]  What I did think of reading in the Cornell write-up is part of what the jurisdiction issue was that I had called in about a week or so ago
[01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:34.960]  on the Senate bill that isn't in the House yet for the jurisdiction matter regarding federal jurisdiction
[01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:45.960]  and waterways right down to any tributary or any runoff section that would be in what we would consider private property from where it is now.
[01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.960]  We're talking about the U.S. waters.
[01:05:48.960 --> 01:06:00.960]  Right, because right now it's still what would be a navigable water with an actual boat that we could say, yeah, that may be navigable water, but still that's too much.
[01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.960]  Yeah, the only thing maritime goes to is the navigable waters.
[01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:11.960]  I was in the industrial cleaning business, so I had a lot of experience with the U.S. waters.
[01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:29.960]  Any drain, any stream, any creek, anything that eventually reaches the U.S. waters, the federal government is claiming jurisdiction over it.
[01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:38.960]  And that comes under the legal term that I call horse hockey.
[01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:49.960]  If it lands in the state, then it belongs to the state, and it doesn't belong to the Fed until it leaves the state and goes to the federal property,
[01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:59.960]  leaves the states and goes out into the bay, into the Caribbean or, I mean, into the ocean or whatever.
[01:06:59.960 --> 01:07:06.960]  Right, well, they might be trying to get around territorial jurisdiction by saying that they have some type of international precedence.
[01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:17.960]  Yeah, they're saying because it eventually goes to a common water, like the Mississippi, where it dumps, that's common water,
[01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:24.960]  and the Feds have jurisdiction because no individual state can move out into the territorial waters.
[01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:31.960]  And what they're trying to say is, is anything that runs into that, they have jurisdiction over.
[01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:38.960]  Well, with that kind of thinking, they can lay claim to common rainfall and say that we have to pay a tax for watering our crops with it.
[01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:48.960]  In Washington state, you can be arrested for having a rain barrel because they claim they own the rain.
[01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.960]  So they've already done that.
[01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:58.960]  What if I were to go to another state and my runoff gets on their property?
[01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:06.960]  Well, what they say is, is if it is a natural runoff, it's an act of God.
[01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:17.960]  But if you have in any way altered the natural course of the runoff and thus the reference to the damn letter about the damn dams.
[01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:19.960]  The damn beavers?
[01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:24.960]  The damn beavers building the damn dams.
[01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:30.960]  If the beavers altered the natural course, at least they thought the natural course would alter.
[01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:35.960]  But because beavers did it, it was natural.
[01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:41.960]  So the natural course wasn't altered because it was a natural force that altered it.
[01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:48.960]  This is kind of off point, but I have had experience with that and all of it bad.
[01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:54.960]  But anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted you, Brian.
[01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:59.960]  You were talking about how to get to the maritime.
[01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:06.960]  Well, I was just saying how I think that there might be a slight justification that could be used a little bit there,
[01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:11.960]  being that the international law and through the waterways especially,
[01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:19.960]  because that has been a lot of times given up to the federal jurisdictions and as it's going right now.
[01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:28.960]  I want to say it's 1441, but I was just also doing some legal research and that number is in my head.
[01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:34.960]  And I don't know if that's right about the Senate bill that's up right now that I called in about last week regarding jurisdiction.
[01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:36.960]  Maybe you guys have the number on the head more.
[01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:45.960]  But yeah, also I did want to tell you guys about another interesting law that I learned about
[01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:51.960]  to maybe make more sense of what I had previously thought of the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act
[01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:56.960]  and how that could maybe be applied to individuals,
[01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:10.960]  kind of like how the jurisdiction from other states to other states being foreign corporations are dealt with in the corporations.
[01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:11.960]  Okay.
[01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:18.960]  I received a document from someone on the Foreign Sovereign Immunities.
[01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:35.960]  And frankly, you just went to a pet peeve because this document quoted a case that said that when the sovereign files an action in the courts,
[01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:48.960]  it weighs its sovereign immunity. And they quoted this really well-worded site from a case about two ships had banged together.
[01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:53.960]  And one of them had been leased by the federal government.
[01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:58.960]  And it banged into the other ship and it was adjudicated at fault.
[01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:11.960]  And the government claimed its sovereign immunity. And what the court said was, no, when you go out and rent a ship, you engage in commerce.
[01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:20.960]  And if while you're engaged in ordinary commerce just like anyone else, then you have no sovereign immunity.
[01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:36.960]  But the citation they promoted said that when the sovereign initiates an action against a citizen, then it weighs its sovereign immunity.
[01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:43.960]  I looked all through the case and that was not in there.
[01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:51.960]  The sovereign, if it initiates a case against you criminally, it does not weigh its sovereign immunity.
[01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:57.960]  Those guys lied to me. And I was really unhappy about that.
[01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:11.960]  I get especially unhappy when I look up a citation that I see quoted and read it and it doesn't say what the person who quoted it says it says.
[01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:25.960]  When someone gives me a citation and I go dig it up and it doesn't exist, I really get annoyed with that kind of thing.
[01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:31.960]  And recently I got a page on jurisdiction.
[01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:40.960]  It's what makes me think sometimes we have government agents out here doing disinformation.
[01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:44.960]  This is a whole page on jurisdiction.
[01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:50.960]  Every single citation was bogus.
[01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.960]  Every single one.
[01:12:53.960 --> 01:13:10.960]  Now, there is a case that I'm researching right now that I'm looking for, Randy, that does offer something along those lines and it's basically stating that when the state creates a contract that engages in using notes of any kind,
[01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:25.960]  through commercial means, that it now takes on the status of a corporation, not a government entity. And because it does that, it can't claim immunity through the process of that contract or the actions involving that contract.
[01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:40.960]  So it can be sued in its corporate capacity, not in its sovereign capacity. And that's sort of what this case on Sovereign Immunities Act went to.
[01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:55.960]  My real pet peeve with it, my objection, is they gave me a false quote. If you read the case, that's precisely what it went to. When the government engages in business, it's just like any other corporation engages in business.
[01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:05.960]  And here we seem to have a lot of confusion concerning the corporate nature of the governments and the states and the different entities.
[01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:27.960]  We have a court here that's also a corporation. Well, when it's hiring employees and when it's purchasing products or entering into a janitorial contract for the court, for the court building, then it's acting as a corporation.
[01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:44.960]  But when that judge puts that robe on, although he may be the CEO of the corporation, when he puts on that robe, then he becomes a different entity.
[01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:59.960]  Then he becomes a constitutional judge, but he acts in a constitutional capacity. And if I sound like I'm particular about people drawing legal conclusions, this was one of my pet ones.
[01:14:59.960 --> 01:15:10.960]  They say, well, that's a corporation, so he doesn't have authority as a judge. That's because when he's sitting as the head of the corporation, no.
[01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:20.960]  But when he's sitting as the judge under the constitutional authority, he's not sitting as the—he takes off his corporate hat, puts on his judge's hat.
[01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:35.960]  I would go along with that except for one point dealing with corporations in law itself. The lawful mandate of any corporation that is for profit is to make a profit.
[01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:44.960]  The judge can't make a profit hiring employees. The judge can't make a profit shifting those employees around or managing them.
[01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:50.960]  The profit has to come from the business of that corporation that produces an income.
[01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:59.960]  Now, there are corporations for profit, but there are also non-profit corporations for other purposes.
[01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:05.960]  But the corporate courts are not non-profit. It's stated that they're not non-profit.
[01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:09.960]  But they don't have to make a profit because they don't—
[01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:20.960]  It is mandated in law. A corporation that is not a non-profit, their mandate is to produce a profit by law, or they're cheating the stockholders.
[01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.960]  Are there stockholders in this corporation?
[01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:25.960]  Sure, the public.
[01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:37.960]  No, no, no. A corporation doesn't have to have stock. So there won't be—if the corporation—okay, this is a complex argument.
[01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.960]  I need to think about this across the break.
[01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:45.960]  All right. Listen, we're going to break. And we also—Brian, you can welcome the stand-alone.
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[01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:52.960]  Okay, we are back. We're taking your calls. We're in our final hour. We've got three segments left here on the rule of law with Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[01:19:52.960 --> 01:20:00.960]  We're talking right now with Brian in Pennsylvania. So, Brian, go ahead. What is your comment?
[01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:09.960]  We don't want to get lost on this corporate argument. We want to kind of go back to you and kind of get refocused.
[01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:16.960]  That's fine. I wasn't even really going there. Maybe you misinterpreted me, but that's fine. I don't even really follow up my lines. That's good.
[01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:21.960]  Yeah, we're the ones that kind of let away from it. That's why I wanted to come back and go where you wanted to go.
[01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:36.960]  In any of your opinions, do I necessarily have to waive or have to have waived personam jurisdiction simply by letting the court know my name upon presence?
[01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:42.960]  No. You know, people keep saying that and absolutely not.
[01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:58.960]  Now, unless you make a challenge that the court doesn't have personam jurisdiction because of the nature of your name, if you're making that argument, this may have relevance.
[01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:08.960]  In personam jurisdiction, I have to go to the nature of how you're claiming in personam jurisdiction.
[01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:18.960]  The court first has to have subject matter jurisdiction or jurisdiction within the territory, within the region, and now he has to have jurisdiction over you as the person.
[01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:35.960]  You can have that by virtue of venue because of where you're at or who you are. Listen to the argument of the corporate individual versus the natural man.
[01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:55.960]  I don't know the argument well enough to propose it, but if you're standing on that argument, then accepting the name they give you waives the right to challenge the name they give you.
[01:21:55.960 --> 01:22:11.960]  That part's clear in law, and that's the non-sprotunque, and in personam jurisdiction to a large degree goes to a non-sprotunque in the proper venue or in an inconvenient venue.
[01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:26.960]  If you live in a given county and there is a justice of the peace in that county, the justice of the peace has subject matter jurisdiction over class C misdemeanors.
[01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:43.960]  However, if you don't live in his precinct, he doesn't have in personam jurisdiction over you, or even if you do live in his precinct, he has to be able to apply the law to you personally.
[01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:59.960]  If they're calling you Brian with a Y, B-R-Y-A-N instead of B-R-I-A-N, and they spell your last name wrong, you can claim, well, that's not me.
[01:22:59.960 --> 01:23:13.960]  But if you go in there and accept that name spelled that way, even if they really meant someone else, then yes, you've given them in personam jurisdiction over yourself.
[01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.960]  You've waived that objection.
[01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:17.960]  Right.
[01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:18.960]  That's key.
[01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:19.960]  Right there.
[01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:20.960]  Yeah.
[01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:32.960]  So, yeah, so your point is the concern is well-placed.
[01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:41.960]  Yeah, in personam jurisdiction can be waived, so it's really important that you understand how the court gets in personam jurisdiction over you.
[01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:47.960]  Have you raised this issue of like the all caps to the upper and lower?
[01:23:47.960 --> 01:24:04.960]  No, no, but all the more so what you're saying would be applicable because the name thought that person is not who you're talking to right now.
[01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:08.960]  Wait, I didn't understand that.
[01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.960]  Okay, the all capitals name?
[01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:13.960]  Yes.
[01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:15.960]  Right.
[01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.960]  Okay.
[01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:28.960]  I would like to be able to really make that argument well because, frankly, I like the very idea of it.
[01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:38.960]  It's hard to raise the issue if you haven't filed your UCC-1 documents yet because that's where you very clearly define the difference.
[01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:39.960]  Right.
[01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:40.960]  I filed all the documents.
[01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:44.960]  I just didn't adequately understand them yet.
[01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:49.960]  I would like to be able to understand that issue enough to argue it quotiently.
[01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:54.960]  Well, a little bit closer to ownership if there can be, you know.
[01:24:54.960 --> 01:25:03.960]  That's what I've heard, but it's just it's not due process, and due process is what I do the best.
[01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:07.960]  It's one of the things I want to get to and understand better, and Deborah's doing that,
[01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:15.960]  and I'm going to want to interview Deborah here before long on this issue so we can all better understand it.
[01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:17.960]  But due process is just that.
[01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:19.960]  It's a due process.
[01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:25.960]  Some of the more of what's going on in the commercial thing seems to just be so much maybe more, I don't know,
[01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:30.960]  atheric isn't really law, but it's not really you can't define it like that,
[01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:36.960]  so that's maybe why I would have difficulty like maybe if you're having difficulty with it because it's not tangible.
[01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:42.960]  It's not very structured, and it doesn't have a formula for it really.
[01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:49.960]  Maybe it does, but it's not something I comprehend, and it's maybe in some other text hidden right now.
[01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:59.960]  Yes, if we were in the common law, then this would probably not be so difficult an argument, but we're not.
[01:25:59.960 --> 01:26:02.960]  We're in the statutory law.
[01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:10.960]  So we have to argue things in terms of statute, and it makes this particular issue a lot harder to argue.
[01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:11.960]  We've got a couple more callers.
[01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:13.960]  We really kind of need to move along.
[01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.960]  Do you have any more comments or questions, Brian?
[01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:17.960]  Just one quick comment.
[01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:24.960]  I do think it would be cool if you guys could have this Sir David Andrew character on your talk show one night,
[01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:28.960]  have him go over some process and manners with that.
[01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.960]  We can talk about that off the air.
[01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:33.960]  All right.
[01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:34.960]  Okay.
[01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:35.960]  Thank you very much.
[01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:36.960]  I like to see that set up.
[01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:40.960]  Thank you, guys.
[01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:41.960]  Okay.
[01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.960]  We're going to go now to Charlie in Illinois.
[01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:47.960]  Christopher.
[01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:48.960]  Christopher?
[01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:49.960]  Oh, thanks for calling in.
[01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:50.960]  Sorry.
[01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:51.960]  Wrong call ID.
[01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:53.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:54.960]  He's out.
[01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:02.960]  I don't know what happened having come out of the clanger, so to speak, after 30 days.
[01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:06.960]  And it's a very interesting experience, I must say.
[01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:13.960]  And it's even more interesting in my case because of the fact that I don't have legal standing in this country.
[01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:23.960]  And DuPage County is known to be very vicious when it comes to people of my status.
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:29.960]  And to go back to the beginning of my incarceration, I, right from the get-go,
[01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:40.960]  when I was a suggestive content of court, I was taken behind the clothes desk and basically handcuffed.
[01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:50.960]  And then the sheriffs began to process me and they asked for me to sign a document to do with my belongings.
[01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.960]  And for some reason, right from that point, I just had this very strong feeling
[01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.960]  that I should be very careful about how I sign my name.
[01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:04.960]  So the first thing I was doing was I was signing without prejudice.
[01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.960]  And then on the bottom of the signature line, I said I put the word agent,
[01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:15.960]  and then on the right-hand left-hand side I put the word BY as in buy, colon, and then I would sign my name.
[01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.960]  And when he saw me doing this, he tried to take my pen away.
[01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:25.960]  And I basically hung onto it and got to all those points and then signed my name right at the last point.
[01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.960]  And I kept on doing that all the way through all the different forms that I had to fill in,
[01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:35.960]  including my fingerprint file, card rather, my fingerprint card,
[01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:39.960]  documentation about waivers or this, waivers for that, and all that stuff.
[01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:47.960]  And there was a guy who was a psychiatrist but also a sheriff,
[01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:51.960]  and he was the first person probably I talked to for any amount of time.
[01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:53.960]  And he began to ask me medical questions.
[01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:56.960]  And then he asked me point blank, are you a U.S. citizen?
[01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:02.960]  And I said I don't have, I'm not legally qualified to answer that.
[01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:07.960]  And they then tagged me as a guy to, well, who was not cooperative.
[01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:12.960]  So they actually noted me as someone to watch.
[01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:16.960]  And I was given a, there were two different colors of bands they put on you.
[01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.960]  What blue is nothing under normal blue color,
[01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:26.960]  and red is either emotional watch or I think it's also trouble makers.
[01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:30.960]  I was in the holding cell for over 10 by 10 rooms with a toilet
[01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.960]  and 20 other guys for 28 hours without being processed.
[01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:35.960]  Okay, wait a second.
[01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:37.960]  Hold on there, Christopher.
[01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:38.960]  We'll be right back after this break.
[01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:40.960]  I want to hear the rest of the story.
[01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:41.960]  Sure.
[01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:41.960]  Okay, we're going to break.
[01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:42.960]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:46.960]  Rule of law, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, and Eddie Craig, we'll be right back.
[01:29:46.960 --> 01:30:14.960]  All right.
[01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:17.960]  Okay.
[01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:17.960]  Let's get started.
[01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:17.960]  We're going to start out with a special question.
[01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:18.960]  We'll start with a question.
[01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:19.960]  A question for you.
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[01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:38.960]  with the information you need to make an informed decision
[01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:40.960]  whether or not you choose to purchase from us.
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[01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:52.720]  payment call us at eight hundred eight seven four nine seven six zero we're
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[01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:33.080]  okay we are back we're talking here with Christopher in Illinois okay go ahead
[01:31:33.080 --> 01:31:42.280]  Christopher continue your story go ahead start again Christopher we didn't hear
[01:31:42.280 --> 01:31:47.480]  you at the beginning. I was in this holding cell of a 10 by 10 room or a concrete room
[01:31:47.480 --> 01:31:53.680]  basically and 20 people in there with me and I was in there for 28 hours and I was
[01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:57.680]  trying to call you know my friend Charlie and my friends to that and the
[01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:03.840]  phones weren't able to they refused to actually connect to a cell phone now
[01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:09.320]  this is the funny thing in the main pods or what they call pods which is where you
[01:32:09.320 --> 01:32:13.760]  have a common area with five cells and one cell to five cells and another with
[01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:19.920]  a shower and toilet in the toilet they had the your right poster and one of
[01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:24.080]  them has one of the first sections was you have a right to remain silent you
[01:32:24.080 --> 01:32:28.120]  have a right to reasonable amount of phone calls and I kept on asking the
[01:32:28.120 --> 01:32:33.200]  sheriff's can I get my phone calls please and I refused and this kept on
[01:32:33.200 --> 01:32:39.320]  going until I was basically taken to change into overalls and there's a my
[01:32:39.320 --> 01:32:43.160]  rain I share for allowing me to make two phone calls unfortunately they went to
[01:32:43.160 --> 01:32:47.000]  what smell but I was able to get the information out and then I'm since
[01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:52.360]  a solitary confinement for five days and I eventually found out that they thought
[01:32:52.360 --> 01:32:56.840]  I was well this is the official reason they thought that I was on the emotional
[01:32:56.840 --> 01:33:02.640]  stress but I suspect that because of the way I behaved and I didn't I wasn't
[01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:09.160]  cooperating with them but they put me in there for five days to try and break me
[01:33:09.160 --> 01:33:13.680]  or whatever they were to try and do and it didn't work because of my mental
[01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:20.960]  training that was like special pressure you know but I was in there for five
[01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:24.720]  days and it was not actually wasn't very pleasant but I was able to handle it
[01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:29.400]  and it's a four by ten cell with just a bed in the toilet and I said the lights
[01:33:29.400 --> 01:33:33.120]  are on there 24 hours a day and there are six or seven cells next to me and
[01:33:33.120 --> 01:33:37.200]  everyone and those things were going nuts you know screaming shouting
[01:33:37.200 --> 01:33:41.000]  whatever you know everything and I was able to keep my cool and just you know
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:46.480]  just take it easy and then I got processed on the fourth day I think it
[01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:52.160]  was that I was in there and again all the forms that I was given I signed it
[01:33:52.160 --> 01:33:56.800]  you know by colon my name underneath that was agent without prejudice on the
[01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:01.040]  threat to us coercion and collusion and my address I gave us care of and then I
[01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:05.680]  gave my address near my zip code and they were putting all this into the
[01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:11.080]  computer now the funny thing is when I was actually being processed out they
[01:34:11.080 --> 01:34:15.000]  have they have to go through a process of fingerprinting and and and
[01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:18.080]  photographing everyone again and there are four people with three people with
[01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:22.880]  me when it came to my turn like I saw my name on the computer screen twice it was
[01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:27.440]  there were two two of them two lines and they could not find my information on it
[01:34:27.440 --> 01:34:32.680]  he tried twice to get mine because the first field had to be a mandatory feel
[01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.080]  that he had to fill in with a case number and he couldn't do it because he
[01:34:35.080 --> 01:34:38.640]  didn't have a case number that the system didn't bring up a case number for
[01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:43.880]  him to put in so I had to get my fingerprints eventually manually done
[01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:48.920]  onto a card again and then it was given to the guy behind behind the window but
[01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:53.560]  I just found it fascinating that just by the way I signed my name I think I've
[01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:58.000]  stopped them dead from doing anything at all with me because this is what
[01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:04.280]  happened a week before I was to leave two people were in there who are illegal
[01:35:04.280 --> 01:35:07.880]  immigrants and the minute they are processed they came up with a hold on
[01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:13.440]  them and then they they notified immigration and after that both of them
[01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:19.760]  once was California he's been selling or buying vehicles with a fake ID and the
[01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:24.760]  other guy was a Mexican whose family had come over legally when he was seven and
[01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:28.440]  they have they had kind of forgotten to pro not forgotten but they didn't get
[01:35:28.440 --> 01:35:33.160]  around to processing him when he became more legal age so he turned out he
[01:35:33.160 --> 01:35:39.920]  basically went over the line into an illegal situation and he was there for
[01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:46.560]  child custody sorry child support and he came up with a you know hold on him so
[01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:54.760]  my name was put in and I'm here without status nothing happened there's
[01:35:54.760 --> 01:36:00.040]  supposedly a warrant out for my arrest in another county just near here where I
[01:36:00.040 --> 01:36:04.960]  live that didn't come up either all that came up because I was able to request
[01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.520]  that an update or warrant check all that came back to the date and then I did
[01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:13.280]  it again on the 8th of June and it came back the day before I was to leave which
[01:36:13.280 --> 01:36:16.360]  was again breaking the rules because it's meant to be within five days but it
[01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:20.600]  took me nine days before I was to leave it came back no warrants at this time
[01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:26.880]  and the update is you know tomorrow at midnight and I'm still a little bit
[01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:31.560]  because I don't have the the real information about what actually happened
[01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:35.120]  and why I was kind of just allowed to walk out the only thing I can think of
[01:36:35.120 --> 01:36:37.520]  is the way I saw my name because what happened was when I was being processed
[01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.880]  in a nice and all those documents the way I did first of all the lady behind
[01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.840]  the window said what are you doing and I said well I'm just reserving my rights
[01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:49.840]  and then when I was put back in the cell about half an hour later there's a great
[01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:54.640]  big women six foot seven you know guy built like a linebacker who came in the
[01:36:54.640 --> 01:37:01.760]  sheriff basically with a a in ink roller grab my hand as my right hand and took
[01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:05.800]  my thumb and said just grab this piece of paper and make sure your thumb
[01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:11.560]  print is on it and it was the actual page with my with my image on it and my
[01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:18.760]  details so I just did what he said I wish I could have just signed it again
[01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:23.960]  but and I said why are you doing this he said I want to prove to cover to cover
[01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:29.080]  ourselves then but to prove him who you are you know and I couldn't make a
[01:37:29.080 --> 01:37:32.140]  little bit at the time but there was so many peculiar things going on with my
[01:37:32.140 --> 01:37:36.640]  particular situation because everyone that will came in to the cells they had
[01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:40.120]  their paperwork with them you know copies of what they had signed I had
[01:37:40.120 --> 01:37:45.760]  nothing I was not given anything at all and the only thing I can think of is
[01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:48.600]  that I wouldn't bend down the around to everyone else and say look this is the
[01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:52.600]  way you do things in here you know you're signing a name this way because
[01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:59.120]  that's the only thing that makes sense and I requested a evidentiary hearing
[01:37:59.120 --> 01:38:06.280]  I requested a corpus hey this Corpus hearing and a contempt of court hearing
[01:38:06.280 --> 01:38:10.360]  and I never got them I requested to go to the law library never got that either
[01:38:10.360 --> 01:38:15.320]  so it's as though they just wanted me to want to keep me in there and and get me
[01:38:15.320 --> 01:38:20.400]  out as soon as they you know time was up get me out of it as soon as they could
[01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:28.080]  but I was you can even on the on the on the minutes I was actually coming out I
[01:38:28.080 --> 01:38:31.920]  was always I was often the guys around me the police out there you know waiting
[01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:37.800]  for people because I had no idea what was going to happen you know but I was
[01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:42.760]  out and that was it and the only thing I can think of to make all this kind of
[01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:47.760]  make sense to me is that the way I sign my name just completely disable them
[01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:51.200]  from doing anything at all even put any of my stuff into the computer because
[01:38:51.200 --> 01:38:54.440]  you know when I was getting processed out they could not find my information
[01:38:54.440 --> 01:38:57.480]  it wasn't on there even though my name was there there was nothing there to
[01:38:57.480 --> 01:39:05.320]  link me to anything you know that's interesting so how long were you in jail
[01:39:05.320 --> 01:39:13.280]  30 days it was a 60-day two-for-one thing and I was put into 28 hours in the
[01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:17.720]  holding cell five days in a solitary confinement and then I was taking up
[01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:22.720]  the main cells for one day one cell was four days and then I was moved for some
[01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:29.000]  reason into another cell or cell area rather so 30 days from the 20th of May
[01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:37.280]  to the 18th of June last year's 1201 on the Thursday the 18th cells let out was
[01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:42.040]  that you guys recommended I write this apology letter well I did that they went
[01:39:42.040 --> 01:39:44.880]  to the public defender's office and then came back with a note saying well next
[01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:49.200]  time you go to your judge or go to court and they gave me a court date request
[01:39:49.200 --> 01:39:53.680]  this to tell a public defender otherwise we can't do anything right now with it
[01:39:53.680 --> 01:40:00.720]  so there's quite a few things we learned I learned that your page count is the
[01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:07.640]  number three in the country in terms of wealth and then I was also told that it
[01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:11.200]  has 99.9 percent success rate on convictions and the only way that can
[01:40:11.200 --> 01:40:20.720]  happen is to fraud and corruption yes well Texas this entire state 99.6 right
[01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:27.960]  so this is common across the country all right so I've got another court date on
[01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:32.400]  the 13th of July and I have no idea what I'm going to do because the judge
[01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:37.120]  basically told when I was behind the clerk's office in custody sorry the
[01:40:37.120 --> 01:40:42.960]  club's desk in custody he looked around for me and then told the prosecutor make
[01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:47.920]  sure that you tell the clerk not to let his guy to file any more documents now I
[01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.720]  can pretend I didn't hear that because I want to finish my negative
[01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:55.160]  environment with them because I'll stop on the fifth step so I have five and
[01:40:55.160 --> 01:40:58.920]  six to go five is the last year demand for payment and the six that has been
[01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:03.600]  the hill to fit which is telling them that I'll be going after their public
[01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:07.560]  hazard bonds and catfors and all that stuff and this negative environment by
[01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:14.160]  the way is 450 million dollars so before I went in there I knew that something
[01:41:14.160 --> 01:41:18.080]  was going to go go something was going to happen where they will try and get me
[01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:22.400]  into custody in some way and so I parked my vehicle at a French house around the
[01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:28.640]  corner and lo and behold it happened and the reason why it happened the way it
[01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:34.400]  did was because I was given some information some information by by
[01:41:34.400 --> 01:41:40.120]  someone that you both know I don't want to kind of name her at the moment to
[01:41:40.120 --> 01:41:43.080]  state you know when the when the person asks your name or the judge ask your name
[01:41:43.080 --> 01:41:45.840]  you say well please give me your name and then do you have a claim against me
[01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:50.240]  and I I kind of screwed up a little bit on that and then in the end I was
[01:41:50.240 --> 01:41:56.280]  willfully I was told the thing was you were willfully refusing to answer you
[01:41:56.280 --> 01:42:01.080]  to give me your name or to get to court your name so I was you know slightly
[01:42:01.080 --> 01:42:05.800]  content for that and then I found out afterwards that I actually just kept
[01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:09.480]  asking asking questions and then that would never have happened but I didn't
[01:42:09.480 --> 01:42:15.360]  know that at the time it was very very stressful to go through that and in the
[01:42:15.360 --> 01:42:19.120]  end it was like I became a little bit of a robot you know because I wasn't sure
[01:42:19.120 --> 01:42:26.400]  where to go with this and how to kind of move to the close table and get out of
[01:42:26.400 --> 01:42:30.600]  there so I just ended up screwing it completely and I wouldn't recommend it
[01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:38.640]  unless you've been trained in doing it it just it takes a while to learn how to
[01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:44.320]  handle these things and it it takes some screwing things up and I definitely
[01:42:44.320 --> 01:42:50.840]  know how to do that three stove in ribs two broken collarbones a broken elbow
[01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:57.880]  right and a great number of lacerations and contusions right but each time it
[01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:04.000]  gets easier so I'll tell you one thing I can't go through this again because my
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.080]  girlfriend she does not want to have anything to do with it she says next
[01:43:07.080 --> 01:43:14.480]  time this happens you know you're on your own and she is someone I love dearly
[01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:20.360]  and I do not want she went through more hell than probably than I did she had to
[01:43:20.360 --> 01:43:23.520]  force herself to come and see me every week and in the end I could see it was
[01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:27.080]  taking a toll on her and you know she and I are very close we've known each
[01:43:27.080 --> 01:43:32.400]  other since I was four years old and I'm 46 now and you know she just means the
[01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:34.840]  world to me and I don't want to go through this again and put her through
[01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:41.120]  the same rubbish so I have to figure out a way of continuing on continuing on but
[01:43:41.120 --> 01:43:48.680]  being safe doing it that's kind of an oxymoron I know that but I somehow I'm
[01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:55.560]  unable to pull solutions towards me that will fulfill my needs okay hold on are
[01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:58.640]  we skipping break them yeah I'm going to skip the break because we're coming up
[01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:01.960]  to the end of show and I want to make sure we get all our calls in because we
[01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:05.680]  can't go into overtime mode tonight because you guys are in the hotel
[01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:13.920]  office and I have to get ready to leave on my trip anyway so go ahead okay so
[01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:18.320]  I'm not sure really what my next step would be I've got court date for Monday
[01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:22.040]  for the Aurora situation that's just basically a hearing for motions to
[01:44:22.040 --> 01:44:26.520]  dismiss on the other parties both the prosecutor and these secretaries date
[01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:32.280]  for Illinois have have filed for dismissal of my negative elements and I'm
[01:44:32.280 --> 01:44:37.800]  just I'm kind of getting to the point where I'm just want to get everything
[01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:43.920]  out the way the the Julia situation with the state trooper I haven't gone to
[01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.760]  court today because I didn't find any other citations I just wrote other than
[01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:53.040]  no contract no consent void and one more thing that Charlie went and found a
[01:44:53.040 --> 01:44:57.040]  site where he could put my name in and any citations or any cases that are in
[01:44:57.040 --> 01:45:01.480]  in the works come up and the funny thing is Johnny is the only one that's got
[01:45:01.480 --> 01:45:06.760]  that is listed Aurora and Whedon are not so I mean there's there's a lot of
[01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:09.840]  peculiar things going on with all the things that I'm doing because of the way
[01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:14.840]  I'm doing them and it's not I would love to talk to someone at length about what
[01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:19.240]  exactly is going on I'm just seeing these strange things are happening and
[01:45:19.240 --> 01:45:24.640]  I have no idea what I'm doing right sorry I have no idea which part of what
[01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:30.240]  I'm doing are causing them do you understand what I'm saying yes I
[01:45:30.240 --> 01:45:35.920]  understand and I'm thinking it it may be a lot of them it may be none of them
[01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:40.800]  right it may be just that that area is so messed up I grew up in that
[01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:47.320]  neighborhood right excellent a little north east of where you're at right I did talk to
[01:45:47.320 --> 01:45:51.640]  Wendy very quickly I did talk to her about the the citation that I signed and
[01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:54.520]  she said you don't really understand what you've done but what you've done
[01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:58.640]  is quite powerful so I'm not even bothered about Juliet situation because
[01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:02.760]  they've defaulted negative of women's gone in and I still have to finish up
[01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:07.360]  with it but they've gone past the point of default so that that to me is not
[01:46:07.360 --> 01:46:16.640]  even of worried to me you know so I'm just worried about this Whedon
[01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:19.760]  situation I don't know what's going to happen on the 13th I don't really know
[01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:25.320]  why they want to still keep dragging me to court I suspect they're going to try
[01:46:25.320 --> 01:46:28.880]  and get the police officer to appear and that's what probably the next week I
[01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:32.600]  want to talk to you about how to have to do a strategy on that because I think
[01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:39.120]  by finding a criminal complaint I kind of force them to not appear if you know
[01:46:39.120 --> 01:46:46.320]  that's what I might my thinking is though yeah sometimes a criminal complaint can
[01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:51.520]  back your adversary into a corner that all he's going to do is fight to get out
[01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:58.400]  so right yeah we have to be careful with how we handle things okay so today I
[01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:02.440]  wanted you guys know how things went and the strange things that occurred and
[01:47:02.440 --> 01:47:09.080]  next week I'd like to just talk to you about what I can do already wonderful
[01:47:09.080 --> 01:47:13.040]  well thank you and thanks for calling in again I was I was wondering what
[01:47:13.040 --> 01:47:17.440]  happened to you we hadn't heard from you a long time I'll make one suggestion now
[01:47:17.440 --> 01:47:28.240]  give them your name yeah was that little facet of information worth the 30 days
[01:47:28.240 --> 01:47:34.920]  is my question it actually was because I found that I talked to a lot of guys in
[01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:38.280]  there and I've got some incredible information that I want to share with
[01:47:38.280 --> 01:47:43.020]  everyone on the radio not today that because getting late but I had a lot of
[01:47:43.020 --> 01:47:46.440]  cognitions when I was there I've got a lot of people that were in there that
[01:47:46.440 --> 01:47:51.000]  should never have been in there I've written a whole bunch of poetry and 40
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:55.600]  50 page letter and you know I did I used my time in there because I actually knew
[01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:59.960]  that one of the reasons I was in that it was to kind of pull my pull my universe
[01:47:59.960 --> 01:48:04.920]  down so to speak and to actually think about things and and have the time to do
[01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:08.320]  that because when you're in there you can't do anything about from eat sleep
[01:48:08.320 --> 01:48:12.240]  and watch TV you know so I decided to do something with my time and I actually
[01:48:12.240 --> 01:48:21.120]  was very productive so yes yeah sorry all right very good I said well all right
[01:48:21.120 --> 01:48:27.080]  then yeah okay but I wouldn't like to go through the experience again that's for
[01:48:27.080 --> 01:48:32.880]  sure well good I don't want to spend any more time in jail either if I could
[01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:40.440]  avoid it thank you for calling thank you okay you're welcome okay okay we're
[01:48:40.440 --> 01:48:46.080]  going to go now to Jerry in Oregon Jerry thanks for calling in was on your mind
[01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:52.440]  tonight I just got a couple questions about do you remember when Harmon
[01:48:52.440 --> 01:48:58.240]  Taylor was on he said that you know the land in the acrylic picture picture our
[01:48:58.240 --> 01:49:03.760]  judicial system is an acrylic layer all across the area you guys remember that
[01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:13.200]  yes I do and here's my concern with that I've talked to Harmon about that and his
[01:49:13.200 --> 01:49:22.880]  take on it was that since the government is using notes to discharge a debt with
[01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:30.960]  that to do that in the statutory realm would be fraud the only place you can do
[01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:38.920]  that is in the maritime so therefore we must be operating in the maritime well
[01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:46.600]  not good enough you're bringing me to maritime by conjecture so wasn't the
[01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:52.400]  basis Randy wasn't the basis for his conjecture based on the appellate court's
[01:49:52.400 --> 01:49:59.280]  decision on a brief that he had submitted regarding some issues about the
[01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:06.160]  Oklahoma City thing and and their response was to his brief I gallery's
[01:50:06.160 --> 01:50:10.360]  objection I'm not sure what the terminology was was that it was
[01:50:10.360 --> 01:50:17.040]  frivolous and and apparently he knew that that he was on rock-solid ground
[01:50:17.040 --> 01:50:25.160]  well what he said was is that the Supreme Court hit him with a padded two
[01:50:25.160 --> 01:50:31.600]  by four that they were trying to communicate something to him and what
[01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:37.520]  they were communicating was that they weren't then in the venue that they were
[01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:49.560]  in the con Constitution did not apply how was that possible that I haven't had
[01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:55.720]  been able to spend enough time with Harmon to really understand it Harmon is
[01:50:55.720 --> 01:51:01.400]  one of the deepest fines I've ever dealt with and frankly after a while I begin
[01:51:01.400 --> 01:51:09.080]  to drown well the impression that I got from what he was saying was that he knew
[01:51:09.080 --> 01:51:14.600]  that that that that according to statutory law it was very black and white
[01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:26.320]  and there was a a refusal by the Supreme Court to to recognize those facts so so
[01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:34.320]  rather than then recognize those facts as true and accurate they came back at
[01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:41.440]  him with with that it was frivolous and had no say and you know so they let me
[01:51:41.440 --> 01:51:48.280]  give you some perspective on Harmon the first time I met Harmon Taylor it was
[01:51:48.280 --> 01:51:54.480]  several years ago I went to a Constitution class he was teaching he
[01:51:54.480 --> 01:52:02.120]  very much believed in the Constitution but now he's saying he was misguided it
[01:52:02.120 --> 01:52:07.360]  does not apply and he's trying to explain why it doesn't apply and frankly
[01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:13.760]  I want to get the time to sit down with Harmon and work this out so I
[01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:25.320]  understand it if you know Harmon you know he is so deep that that when I talk
[01:52:25.320 --> 01:52:31.480]  to Harmon I have to really struggle to did to discipline myself to be able to
[01:52:31.480 --> 01:52:37.720]  stay on point and keep up with him well I guess I just got the I just got the
[01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:42.160]  impression that he knew that what he had submitted was true and accurate there
[01:52:42.160 --> 01:52:48.560]  was no question about whether it was correct but based on the response that
[01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:55.280]  he got that he knew that that they were not going to recognize that and if they
[01:52:55.280 --> 01:53:00.440]  weren't going to recognize that as true and you know it is well then they came
[01:53:00.440 --> 01:53:05.920]  back with him with that it's frivolous so that could only mean one thing so I
[01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:10.240]  guess that was the impression I got I wondered how that fit in with everything
[01:53:10.240 --> 01:53:17.840]  no what he was saying was he was in the wrong venue he thought he was in one
[01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:23.600]  venue and the he said what the court was trying to tell me was that I was not in
[01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:32.000]  the venue I thought I was oh I would really like to get Harmon on to walk
[01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:36.840]  through this but but when I do get Harmon on everyone really needs to get
[01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:46.120]  focused and get their thinking caps on because what he does is rigorous he will
[01:53:46.120 --> 01:53:52.160]  give you a real workout trying to keep up with him well I was just kind of
[01:53:52.160 --> 01:53:59.520]  curious because it seems to me that it's kind of it is complementary with
[01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:04.720]  everything that that you're doing I mean with using the statutory and then
[01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:10.320]  utilizing the commercial which is just another tool bag to use if you if you
[01:54:10.320 --> 01:54:16.920]  need it the first assault or first approach is to hit it based on statutory
[01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:25.280]  law correct that's my approach yes because that leaves me on the most firm
[01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:33.160]  footing right then I want to be able to draw in the commercial in as much as I
[01:54:33.160 --> 01:54:40.560]  can apply it to what's going on in the statutory okay now with what Eddie has
[01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:50.880]  proven with with the driver's license and the utilization of being that the
[01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:56.120]  state of Texas says you use the commercial driver's license as a
[01:54:56.120 --> 01:55:01.440]  mechanism to get to get a regular citizen I don't know what the correct
[01:55:01.440 --> 01:55:06.360]  terminology for that is but you see that there's something rotten in the wood
[01:55:06.360 --> 01:55:13.320]  pile there correct absolutely and there's no doubt in your mind on that
[01:55:13.320 --> 01:55:24.120]  one no doubt the law is clear right so based on your your your taking a look at
[01:55:24.120 --> 01:55:30.280]  the law again and and following it point by point by point by point there's
[01:55:30.280 --> 01:55:36.760]  definitely some collusion going on there's some smoke and mirrors correct
[01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:42.120]  absolutely yeah now don't forget the other point I made with Joyce at one
[01:55:42.120 --> 01:55:46.080]  level yes you're going to have that collusion there are people that are in
[01:55:46.080 --> 01:55:50.520]  the know that knows they're doing something that the law does not allow
[01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:54.880]  and they're doing it in a manner to gain profit that they're not allowed to get
[01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:59.240]  but it's worth the effort when they can get billions of dollars for every little
[01:55:59.240 --> 01:56:04.640]  lawsuit they can fend off or have to pay out so that's the economic principle
[01:56:04.640 --> 01:56:10.200]  they're using it on however the major principle here is that because of the
[01:56:10.200 --> 01:56:13.940]  ones that are causing all these actions are operating under a cloud of mass
[01:56:13.940 --> 01:56:18.840]  stupidity they don't know any better they're being trained by those above
[01:56:18.840 --> 01:56:24.200]  them to think one way and one way only that's not conspiracy that's just
[01:56:24.200 --> 01:56:33.520]  stupidity are you saying that that at the very top level you have a number of
[01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:39.480]  individuals who really know what's going on and and they're misguiding the good
[01:56:39.480 --> 01:56:44.360]  intentions of those that work under them to do a good job and and to do their
[01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:48.520]  duty the way they believe they're supposed to be doing it based on the
[01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:54.040]  instruction that they're given is that absolutely that's exactly right right
[01:56:54.040 --> 01:57:02.040]  so the vast majority of individuals operating in error are doing it with
[01:57:02.040 --> 01:57:07.600]  with the best of intentions I believe that that's the case myself I don't
[01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:15.840]  believe I had I believe they're being used as pawns to carry out the you know
[01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:21.520]  yeah Randy Travis said it best in my opinion the road to hell is paid with
[01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:29.480]  good intentions yes and that's what the file that's where a big portion of the
[01:57:29.480 --> 01:57:35.880]  problem is it's also where the fix is because if we can get these folks at the
[01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:40.480]  bottom here to understand that what they've been told to do by their higher
[01:57:40.480 --> 01:57:48.120]  ups is horrendously illegal and get them to change what they're doing then the
[01:57:48.120 --> 01:57:54.080]  top loses control right I don't I don't take on the right to travel issue
[01:57:54.080 --> 01:58:00.240]  because I don't have my courts back yet so the only way I would use the right
[01:58:00.240 --> 01:58:10.680]  to travel issue is as a method to beat the crap out of the courts okay thank
[01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:13.840]  you Jerry we're we're kind of running out of time here yeah we're at the end
[01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:16.960]  of the show thank you so much for calling in and thank you all of you
[01:58:16.960 --> 01:58:24.160]  callers all right Eddie and Randy will be back on Monday I won't be back for a
[01:58:24.160 --> 01:58:30.400]  week well a little over a week I'm going to rainbow I'll be calling in with a
[01:58:30.400 --> 01:58:37.720]  satellite phone though so I'll be participating y'all have a good weekend
[01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:55.000]  not everybody
[01:59:37.720 --> 01:59:40.280]  I