[00:00.000 --> 00:06.040]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:06.040 --> 00:11.200]  Karl Rove, former political advisor to George Bush, was questioned Friday over whether former
[00:11.200 --> 00:17.640]  Justice Department and White House officials lied or obstructed justice in connection with
[00:17.640 --> 00:22.440]  the dismissal of federal prosecutors in 2006.
[00:22.440 --> 00:26.840]  Six major insurance companies have received preliminary approval to get billions of dollars
[00:26.840 --> 00:32.000]  in fresh capital as part of the government's financial rescue program.
[00:32.000 --> 00:36.520]  Drug company Pfizer says it will give away more than 70 of its most widely prescribed
[00:36.520 --> 00:43.000]  drugs, including Lipitor and Viagra, for up to a year to people who have lost jobs since
[00:43.000 --> 00:48.520]  January the 1st and have been taking the drug for three months or more.
[00:48.520 --> 00:53.720]  Pfizer stands to benefit with a tax write-off that will cover much of the costs of the donations.
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[00:58.200 --> 01:03.880]  Carlisle Group has agreed to pay $20 million to resolve its involvement with Hank Morris.
[01:03.880 --> 01:09.320]  The former New York State Comptroller's advisor collected bribes from hedge funds and private
[01:09.320 --> 01:14.080]  equity firms in exchange for state pension fund investments.
[01:14.080 --> 01:19.800]  Carlisle agreed to New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo's new code of conduct
[01:19.800 --> 01:26.320]  banning the use of placement agents like Morris, who collected $13 million in sham fees from
[01:26.320 --> 01:32.920]  Carlisle for steering $730 million in state pension fund investments to the firm.
[01:32.920 --> 01:37.680]  Carlisle admitted no wrongdoing and announced it was suing Morris and the firm he worked
[01:37.680 --> 01:41.360]  for, Serland Company, for $15 million.
[01:41.360 --> 01:47.120]  The New York Times reported that even Bear Stearns, former CEO Jimmy Kane, was sufficiently
[01:47.120 --> 01:53.360]  awed by Morris that he went out of his way to hire Morris's graphic design firm.
[01:53.360 --> 02:05.120]  Carlisle and Bear Stearns both paid off connected insiders to secure business.
[02:05.120 --> 02:09.880]  New evidence is emerging to support claims that Dick Cheney first approved torture to
[02:09.880 --> 02:17.400]  tie Iraq to Al-Qaeda in April and May of 2002, well before the Justice Department had rendered
[02:17.400 --> 02:19.840]  any legal opinion on the subject.
[02:19.840 --> 02:24.480]  Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of Staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell, wrote in
[02:24.480 --> 02:31.000]  The Washington Note Wednesday that Bush administration torture was focused on detainees who might
[02:31.000 --> 02:37.960]  reveal a smoking gun linking Iraq and Al-Qaeda to justify US invasion plans.
[02:37.960 --> 02:42.400]  Wilkerson said the one torture victim who claimed there were contacts between Iraq
[02:42.400 --> 02:48.480]  and Al-Qaeda, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, did so after being waterboarded.
[02:48.480 --> 02:50.640]  This information turned out to be false.
[02:50.640 --> 02:56.000]  Al-Libi was later renditioned to Libya where he was reported to have committed suicide
[02:56.000 --> 02:59.000]  in prison last week.
[02:59.000 --> 03:10.120]  You are listening to the rule of law radio network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
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[03:40.120 --> 04:02.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[04:02.120 --> 04:21.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[04:21.120 --> 04:36.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[04:36.120 --> 04:51.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[04:51.120 --> 05:06.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[05:06.120 --> 05:21.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[05:21.120 --> 05:36.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[05:36.120 --> 05:51.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[05:51.120 --> 06:15.120]  When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power When you're gonna stop abuse, you have power
[06:15.120 --> 06:19.480]  All right, when they're going to stop abusing the power,
[06:19.480 --> 06:21.200]  when we do something about it and we
[06:21.200 --> 06:23.560]  are doing something about it.
[06:23.560 --> 06:26.920]  All right, we've got Eddie Craig up from Nacogdoches.
[06:26.920 --> 06:30.760]  He's our traffic guy, studying the traffic code.
[06:30.760 --> 06:32.200]  And Eddie, you have some comments
[06:32.200 --> 06:36.480]  about Ann Ashton's case.
[06:36.480 --> 06:40.520]  Well, more like just a general comment.
[06:40.520 --> 06:42.280]  Listening to this story brings back
[06:42.280 --> 06:44.240]  some of the military experiences which I'm sure
[06:44.240 --> 06:45.520]  Randy's had as well.
[06:45.520 --> 06:49.440]  And when I was in Korea before we went over to Desert Storm,
[06:49.440 --> 06:52.760]  we used to have a saying, nuke them till they glow
[06:52.760 --> 06:55.600]  and use their asses for runway lights.
[06:55.600 --> 07:02.520]  And I really could see that happening to DC these days.
[07:02.520 --> 07:06.840]  But I mean, the things these guys are getting away with,
[07:06.840 --> 07:08.760]  we need to do a better job of getting this out
[07:08.760 --> 07:12.160]  to the general public, in my personal opinion.
[07:12.160 --> 07:14.360]  We need more people being interested out there.
[07:14.360 --> 07:16.880]  It's great that everybody listens to the show.
[07:16.880 --> 07:19.760]  It's great that everybody talks to their friends.
[07:19.760 --> 07:24.960]  But we need to take a better route and find more ears
[07:24.960 --> 07:27.280]  and provide better information and get
[07:27.280 --> 07:29.320]  more people on this bandwagon.
[07:29.320 --> 07:35.280]  That's the only way we're going to get what we need done, done.
[07:35.280 --> 07:35.760]  I agree.
[07:35.760 --> 07:37.960]  We're struggling to do that.
[07:37.960 --> 07:39.600]  But there are a lot of people that it's
[07:39.600 --> 07:41.600]  really hard to reach right now.
[07:41.600 --> 07:45.080]  There I talked to some people today.
[07:45.080 --> 07:46.960]  And one woman in particular, she had
[07:46.960 --> 07:50.840]  went to a couple of seminars on 9-11.
[07:50.840 --> 07:54.280]  And she said when she got back, she took all the materials
[07:54.280 --> 07:57.280]  and just put it away.
[07:57.280 --> 08:02.880]  I said, was it because you couldn't accept it?
[08:02.880 --> 08:05.640]  She said, yes.
[08:05.640 --> 08:08.280]  It wasn't that she didn't believe it,
[08:08.280 --> 08:13.480]  but she couldn't accept it yet.
[08:13.480 --> 08:17.240]  Well, you wouldn't believe how many people I've heard actually
[08:17.240 --> 08:19.160]  comment on things like that, saying, well,
[08:19.160 --> 08:20.720]  I've never heard that.
[08:20.720 --> 08:23.560]  I've never heard that theory.
[08:23.560 --> 08:27.880]  And so getting people, this is how we do it.
[08:27.880 --> 08:31.560]  But in order to stop these guys, I
[08:31.560 --> 08:33.960]  don't think that's really the way to do it.
[08:33.960 --> 08:42.320]  We're programmed in this democratic republic
[08:42.320 --> 08:47.600]  to think that we need lots of people.
[08:47.600 --> 08:50.440]  And that's not how things change.
[08:50.440 --> 08:53.440]  Things change with a few dedicated individuals.
[08:53.440 --> 08:58.800]  And from the perspective of a few dedicated individuals,
[08:58.800 --> 09:04.480]  we have to become good combat soldiers.
[09:04.480 --> 09:07.920]  I was in combat, and they taught me
[09:07.920 --> 09:10.440]  to be a good combat soldier.
[09:10.440 --> 09:13.320]  It don't take me to be very effective.
[09:13.320 --> 09:15.280]  We just have to find the ones that are,
[09:15.280 --> 09:18.320]  and then start going for these guys' throats.
[09:18.320 --> 09:20.920]  If you want to get the enemy's attention,
[09:20.920 --> 09:24.720]  you've got to sting them good.
[09:24.720 --> 09:27.120]  We need to start stinging them.
[09:27.120 --> 09:29.920]  And not just saying, oh, Judge, you ought to do this,
[09:29.920 --> 09:32.000]  and you ought to do that.
[09:32.000 --> 09:33.720]  When the judge steps out of line,
[09:33.720 --> 09:37.920]  we go right through the judge's throat.
[09:37.920 --> 09:40.480]  Police officer, these federal officials,
[09:40.480 --> 09:43.680]  when you said that, newcomer to their ashes,
[09:43.680 --> 09:46.760]  that's an attitude they have.
[09:46.760 --> 09:50.760]  I look at these guys, and I see the same kinds of attitudes
[09:50.760 --> 09:56.280]  in the police that the military tried to produce in combat.
[09:56.280 --> 10:00.480]  They had to dehumanize the indigenous population
[10:00.480 --> 10:05.120]  so that we could slaughter them with impunity.
[10:05.120 --> 10:08.840]  And they are clearly dehumanizing us.
[10:08.840 --> 10:11.640]  Well, they're trying to, that's for sure.
[10:11.640 --> 10:14.640]  The police are looking at us as the enemy.
[10:14.640 --> 10:17.400]  And what we have to do is sting them good.
[10:17.400 --> 10:20.800]  Well, Randy, how are we going to sting these guys
[10:20.800 --> 10:23.440]  at the federal level?
[10:23.440 --> 10:25.000]  We can do a lot at the state level,
[10:25.000 --> 10:28.120]  but we can't really, it's not going
[10:28.120 --> 10:31.120]  to fly for us to try to press charges against them
[10:31.120 --> 10:36.640]  in state court since they did these things in their capacity
[10:36.640 --> 10:40.000]  as a federal public servant, because the feds will come in
[10:40.000 --> 10:46.200]  and take jurisdiction just like they did with Randy Weaver.
[10:46.200 --> 10:48.280]  He's a Randy Weaver case.
[10:48.280 --> 10:50.720]  I think you're missing Randy's point on the good combat
[10:50.720 --> 10:53.360]  soldier part.
[10:53.360 --> 10:57.120]  If we get our 10th Amendment Bill passed on guns
[10:57.120 --> 11:00.280]  and ammunition and all that in a lot of the states,
[11:00.280 --> 11:04.120]  the feds are going to regret even the idea of walking
[11:04.120 --> 11:09.400]  within the state borders simply because now there's
[11:09.400 --> 11:15.120]  lots of guns that can't be traced, can't be regulated,
[11:15.120 --> 11:16.880]  and they're going to have to face them.
[11:16.880 --> 11:17.880]  Oh, wait, no, no.
[11:17.880 --> 11:20.720]  That wasn't my position at all.
[11:20.720 --> 11:22.040]  I know, Randy, I know.
[11:22.040 --> 11:24.000]  Not the guns.
[11:24.000 --> 11:29.280]  In this particular battle, that's not the weapon of choice.
[11:29.280 --> 11:32.800]  We won't win it with that weapon in this particular battle.
[11:32.800 --> 11:37.080]  We need to look at the battle, see what the parameters are,
[11:37.080 --> 11:40.680]  find our enemy's weakness, and see what tool we can best
[11:40.680 --> 11:43.280]  use against the enemy.
[11:43.280 --> 11:48.200]  And in this one, we have a lot of tools built into the system
[11:48.200 --> 11:51.760]  that nobody's been using.
[11:51.760 --> 11:56.800]  If we start stinging the judge and the comment Mike made
[11:56.800 --> 12:00.000]  earlier about maybe these guys just
[12:00.000 --> 12:05.240]  dumped this in the attorneys in Indiana's laps,
[12:05.240 --> 12:07.440]  I think he was exactly right.
[12:07.440 --> 12:09.520]  I don't know.
[12:09.520 --> 12:13.200]  Now, wait a minute, the whole entire complete government
[12:13.200 --> 12:15.440]  is not in on everything.
[12:15.440 --> 12:17.480]  No, of course not.
[12:17.480 --> 12:20.880]  Somebody may have planned this, but those US attorneys
[12:20.880 --> 12:23.960]  working over there in Indiana didn't plan what
[12:23.960 --> 12:25.640]  went on in North Carolina.
[12:25.640 --> 12:31.480]  No, but the head chief judge may very well be in on it.
[12:31.480 --> 12:32.880]  That may well be.
[12:32.880 --> 12:35.480]  Well, that's what I meant.
[12:35.480 --> 12:37.960]  They have weaknesses.
[12:37.960 --> 12:40.280]  These US attorneys have a lot to do,
[12:40.280 --> 12:44.240]  and then they get this high-profile case dumped on.
[12:44.240 --> 12:46.480]  And they're stuck with it.
[12:46.480 --> 12:48.840]  Randy, there's another point here, too.
[12:48.840 --> 12:52.560]  David Capp, the US attorney over there in Indiana,
[12:52.560 --> 12:54.800]  is only an interim attorney.
[12:54.800 --> 12:56.800]  So he needs to watch his P's and Q's,
[12:56.800 --> 13:00.160]  and this is a really high-profile case.
[13:00.160 --> 13:02.120]  So your point is well taken.
[13:02.120 --> 13:04.720]  We need to sting him good.
[13:04.720 --> 13:06.280]  Well, yeah, and so that brings back
[13:06.280 --> 13:08.800]  to what I was saying a minute ago of how do we
[13:08.800 --> 13:11.640]  do that at the federal level.
[13:11.640 --> 13:14.760]  I meant interim attorney, not judge.
[13:14.760 --> 13:17.600]  I meant interim attorney, not judge, sorry.
[13:17.600 --> 13:19.160]  Right.
[13:19.160 --> 13:20.680]  Did I say judge?
[13:20.680 --> 13:22.600]  No, I did.
[13:22.600 --> 13:24.480]  Oh, OK, yeah, interim attorney.
[13:24.480 --> 13:27.440]  We need to start stinging him.
[13:27.440 --> 13:29.880]  Right, but that's like what I was saying,
[13:29.880 --> 13:35.040]  because it's so difficult to get to federal grand juries.
[13:35.040 --> 13:38.360]  Getting to the grand jury isn't everything.
[13:38.360 --> 13:40.640]  It's making grand jury noises.
[13:40.640 --> 13:42.000]  Right, well, that's why I was just
[13:42.000 --> 13:43.800]  wanting to know what the general strategy is
[13:43.800 --> 13:46.400]  at a federal level, because it's so much different.
[13:46.400 --> 13:50.760]  Remember the noise we made in Fort Lauderdale?
[13:50.760 --> 13:53.600]  Deborah and I went down there, and Daniel Merrill
[13:53.600 --> 14:00.320]  went down there, and we made a lot of trouble for them.
[14:00.320 --> 14:05.800]  And the guy we went down there to help, the IRS agent
[14:05.800 --> 14:10.400]  who was jerking him around, is now no longer an IRS agent
[14:10.400 --> 14:13.800]  and is under criminal investigation,
[14:13.800 --> 14:17.720]  because we made a lot of ugly noises.
[14:17.720 --> 14:20.760]  We took it out of their control and started
[14:20.760 --> 14:23.600]  doing things that weren't in their control,
[14:23.600 --> 14:26.480]  went down and bushwhacked a federal magistrate
[14:26.480 --> 14:28.480]  in her courtroom.
[14:28.480 --> 14:32.720]  And I told her this giant whopper.
[14:32.720 --> 14:34.960]  I know it was a hoot.
[14:34.960 --> 14:39.480]  And we came down and forced them to throw us off the property
[14:39.480 --> 14:44.000]  with our cameras and filed a complaint
[14:44.000 --> 14:48.760]  with the inspector general in Washington, DC.
[14:48.760 --> 14:52.240]  And now that agent is history, and I'm
[14:52.240 --> 14:54.160]  interested in what happened to the US
[14:54.160 --> 14:57.320]  attorneys who orchestrated this.
[14:57.320 --> 15:00.560]  All these US attorneys, they're walking on pins and needles
[15:00.560 --> 15:02.560]  right now with this new administration.
[15:02.560 --> 15:05.800]  And if you have an interim US attorney,
[15:05.800 --> 15:11.320]  we file, if Annette files criminal charges
[15:11.320 --> 15:18.520]  against these agents under 18 US Code 1332
[15:18.520 --> 15:22.320]  and demands that the US attorney give the charges
[15:22.320 --> 15:25.680]  to the grand jury and he doesn't,
[15:25.680 --> 15:30.280]  then we file criminal charges against the US attorney
[15:30.280 --> 15:33.040]  with the federal district judge.
[15:33.040 --> 15:35.600]  OK, so the first charge is, who is
[15:35.600 --> 15:40.920]  you going to file the first set of criminal complaints with?
[15:40.920 --> 15:45.840]  Whoever the person was who petitioned for a warrant
[15:45.840 --> 15:50.840]  will charge him with aggravated perjury for lying to the.
[15:50.840 --> 15:53.000]  But what I mean is, who are you going
[15:53.000 --> 15:57.400]  to try to file the criminal complaint with?
[15:57.400 --> 16:01.640]  Another US attorney or who?
[16:01.640 --> 16:05.160]  The US attorney's office in Indiana.
[16:05.160 --> 16:06.800]  If you file it right with him, then he's
[16:06.800 --> 16:08.600]  going to refuse to do anything with it.
[16:08.600 --> 16:10.760]  Now we go after him.
[16:10.760 --> 16:12.280]  Well, that would be David Capp.
[16:12.280 --> 16:16.120]  I mean, you're going to file with the same US attorney?
[16:16.120 --> 16:18.400]  Sure.
[16:18.400 --> 16:19.440]  He's one of those most.
[16:19.440 --> 16:21.360]  But if you file against him, you're
[16:21.360 --> 16:24.320]  going to have to file the complaint with someone else,
[16:24.320 --> 16:25.960]  though.
[16:25.960 --> 16:30.200]  US district judge in his capacity as a magistrate.
[16:30.200 --> 16:32.040]  That would be Chief Justice Miller,
[16:32.040 --> 16:34.080]  presiding over the case.
[16:34.080 --> 16:34.800]  Wonderful.
[16:34.800 --> 16:35.640]  Perfect guy.
[16:35.640 --> 16:37.720]  OK, listen, we're going to break.
[16:37.720 --> 16:39.560]  We're going to break.
[16:39.560 --> 16:41.600]  We've still got Annette with us.
[16:41.600 --> 16:44.080]  Yep.
[16:44.080 --> 16:46.440]  Thank you, Annette, for hanging on the line with us.
[16:46.440 --> 16:47.320]  We're going to break.
[16:47.320 --> 16:48.160]  You're welcome to stay.
[16:48.160 --> 16:49.640]  We have Mark from Wisconsin College.
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[18:05.920 --> 18:35.840]  Yeah, yeah, oh, mm-hmm, yeah, I want, oh, I want,
[18:35.840 --> 18:43.840]  I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[18:43.840 --> 18:51.320]  I must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[18:51.320 --> 18:56.320]  It seems you like the fact, but please take some words
[18:56.320 --> 18:58.800]  to the wise.
[18:58.800 --> 19:06.280]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[19:06.280 --> 19:29.760]  I must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[19:29.760 --> 19:45.240]  It seems you like the fact, but please take some words
[19:45.240 --> 19:46.240]  to the wise.
[19:46.240 --> 19:47.240]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[19:47.240 --> 19:48.240]  I must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[19:48.240 --> 19:49.240]  It seems you like the fact, but please take some words
[19:49.240 --> 19:50.240]  to the wise.
[19:50.240 --> 19:51.240]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[19:51.240 --> 20:16.240]  I must refuse your nose, also I've been lied.
[20:16.240 --> 20:22.080]  Okay, we are back to Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[20:22.080 --> 20:29.880]  We're here with Eddie Craig and callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[20:29.880 --> 20:37.600]  Okay, so we're talking about federal magistrates filing criminal charges.
[20:37.600 --> 20:43.640]  Yes, let me make a caveat.
[20:43.640 --> 20:48.080]  It's a good radio to talk about going after these guys and grabbing them by the throats
[20:48.080 --> 20:53.920]  and just really jerking them around and I do have a plan for how to really jerk around
[20:53.920 --> 21:01.240]  the U.S. Attorneys and Federal Magistrates, but I don't intend to suggest that in this
[21:01.240 --> 21:07.840]  particular case because it's not Annette who's being charged, it's her son and we have to
[21:07.840 --> 21:11.340]  be real careful of what we do.
[21:11.340 --> 21:14.760]  We don't get to just go whole hog because we want to.
[21:14.760 --> 21:21.840]  Well, yeah, and that may be a strategy that she may and some may want to consider later
[21:21.840 --> 21:26.320]  down the line to go back after these guys, after he's got his freedom, you know what
[21:26.320 --> 21:27.320]  I'm saying?
[21:27.320 --> 21:36.280]  That's the strategy when the subtle and the more carefully crafted strategy doesn't work.
[21:36.280 --> 21:41.560]  If these guys are acting in outrageous disregard for law, then we might want to kick them in
[21:41.560 --> 21:42.560]  their teeth.
[21:42.560 --> 21:46.440]  Yeah, what do you think about that Annette?
[21:46.440 --> 21:47.440]  That sounds great.
[21:47.440 --> 21:48.440]  I would love to.
[21:48.440 --> 21:52.920]  Yeah, that was kind of what I was addressing earlier, Randy, what I was talking about.
[21:52.920 --> 21:58.280]  I mean, in no way am I putting down what we're trying to accomplish, the things you do and
[21:58.280 --> 22:05.360]  the things you've motivated me to do when it comes to these people, but our deal is
[22:05.360 --> 22:12.200]  when we meet those guys that have gone completely off the reservation as far as what the rules
[22:12.200 --> 22:16.480]  are and what they're supposed to be allowed to do and so on and so forth.
[22:16.480 --> 22:22.200]  I mean, a perfect example is the Obama president's race.
[22:22.200 --> 22:26.560]  I mean, how much evidence had to be dumped on the Supreme Court and yet they have ignored
[22:26.560 --> 22:29.040]  it and refused to hear the case.
[22:29.040 --> 22:31.000]  That's completely off the reservation.
[22:31.000 --> 22:36.400]  Same thing in this instance, we know there's a problem, we know they're breaking the law
[22:36.400 --> 22:39.800]  and we know they're doing it nine ways from Sunday.
[22:39.800 --> 22:46.480]  How do we get them back between the narrow lines and control them to keep them there?
[22:46.480 --> 22:48.340]  That's where our biggest problem is.
[22:48.340 --> 22:51.960]  How do we get the leash around the dog's neck and get control?
[22:51.960 --> 22:59.160]  This is the thing I really like to do and what I suggest in these kind of cases is you
[22:59.160 --> 23:06.280]  can use the criminal instead of just defending yourself, put on your sovereign's hat and
[23:06.280 --> 23:08.340]  look at your officials.
[23:08.340 --> 23:14.880]  If you see them doing things that appear to be improper, you go file a criminal accusation.
[23:14.880 --> 23:21.160]  Now, that's totally separate from what's going on with your son.
[23:21.160 --> 23:24.720]  That's one criminal situation.
[23:24.720 --> 23:28.720]  If a public official violates the law, that's totally separate, so you go file that.
[23:28.720 --> 23:39.880]  I go in and literally give public officials opportunity to violate a law so that I can
[23:39.880 --> 23:44.720]  go away and then go to someone else and file charges against this official.
[23:44.720 --> 23:49.280]  I don't say anything to the official himself and that's because I don't talk to criminals
[23:49.280 --> 23:51.640]  and I don't negotiate with criminals.
[23:51.640 --> 23:57.040]  I go to someone else and start making ways somewhere else and in this case, you go to
[23:57.040 --> 24:00.600]  the U.S. attorney and start filing criminal charges with the U.S. attorney.
[24:00.600 --> 24:04.800]  Well, the U.S. attorney is going to refuse to give it to the grand jury but in the meantime,
[24:04.800 --> 24:08.520]  he's going to go back to this officer and say, what is going on here?
[24:08.520 --> 24:13.000]  This woman's filing criminal charges against you, what is going on?
[24:13.000 --> 24:15.480]  Are you clean, bubba?
[24:15.480 --> 24:21.800]  And then when the U.S. attorney refuses to do his job, then you go to the U.S. judge
[24:21.800 --> 24:24.840]  and demand that the U.S. judge arrest the U.S. attorney.
[24:24.840 --> 24:32.920]  Well, he's not going to but now you go after the U.S. district judge and you cause him
[24:32.920 --> 24:39.440]  trouble that can follow him his whole career but it really has nothing to do with what's
[24:39.440 --> 24:41.880]  going on with your son.
[24:41.880 --> 24:47.240]  Each criminal accusation is a totally different cause.
[24:47.240 --> 24:48.920]  They're not connected.
[24:48.920 --> 24:55.200]  So you can, it's like moving pawns out onto the board.
[24:55.200 --> 25:01.680]  Anyone who plays chess is well aware that you don't win the game with your king or
[25:01.680 --> 25:08.240]  your queen or your bishops or your knights, you win with the pawns.
[25:08.240 --> 25:13.180]  You get your pawns in the right place and then all of these other pieces start bumping
[25:13.180 --> 25:16.500]  into them all over the place.
[25:16.500 --> 25:27.880]  So we use the criminal charges to start just nipping away at these people's careers.
[25:27.880 --> 25:32.720]  It's unlikely you'll get this adjudicated but it's something they have to deal with
[25:32.720 --> 25:35.600]  and have to answer.
[25:35.600 --> 25:39.920]  Now they have more to deal with than just their agenda that they have set up for your
[25:39.920 --> 25:42.120]  son.
[25:42.120 --> 25:44.520]  Now they have another agenda staring them in the face.
[25:44.520 --> 25:45.520]  Well, Randy.
[25:45.520 --> 25:46.520]  That's what I'd like to hear.
[25:46.520 --> 25:51.160]  Yeah and another thing I was thinking about on her case and the criminal charge thing,
[25:51.160 --> 25:57.200]  because her case is so high profile and it's probably going to be even more so, by the
[25:57.200 --> 26:02.720]  time she gets to the point that she would do the criminal charge thing later on down
[26:02.720 --> 26:08.840]  the line, if she chose to do that, she might not have too much trouble getting the grand
[26:08.840 --> 26:14.480]  jury to hear the complaints and look at them.
[26:14.480 --> 26:17.240]  I'm thinking the sooner the better.
[26:17.240 --> 26:20.320]  Not a big one, but minor ones.
[26:20.320 --> 26:28.880]  Minor ones are better if you can catch him really dirty on something minor.
[26:28.880 --> 26:36.800]  According to the courts, a class C misdemeanor or a first degree felony, as far as the courts
[26:36.800 --> 26:40.800]  are concerned, they're the same, just different punishments.
[26:40.800 --> 26:48.600]  So a crime's a crime and they have the same duty to punish a minor crime as a major crime.
[26:48.600 --> 26:55.680]  So you file a little beating one, a small crime can end his career, an indictment for
[26:55.680 --> 26:58.800]  a minor infraction can end that official's career.
[26:58.800 --> 27:05.120]  Well, you know what I was thinking, Randy, about the Frank's hearing thing.
[27:05.120 --> 27:13.080]  We may be able to file against the officer along with that if it shows that he lied.
[27:13.080 --> 27:23.360]  Yeah, if you file a motion for a bill of particulars, a nun's pro-tunk to move it back to North
[27:23.360 --> 27:33.240]  Carolina, and Frank's hearing, and at the same time, file accusations of aggravated
[27:33.240 --> 27:41.480]  perjury against the officers whose, you don't even care who it was that secured the warrant,
[27:41.480 --> 27:42.920]  you don't have to know.
[27:42.920 --> 27:49.800]  You can just name unknown officer who petitioned for warrant.
[27:49.800 --> 27:55.360]  Yeah, that would be the most obvious target in this case to file criminal charges.
[27:55.360 --> 28:00.040]  Yeah, and it's even better if you go unknown because you're not putting anybody's name
[28:00.040 --> 28:01.280]  on it.
[28:01.280 --> 28:08.000]  But what you're doing is like this movie, I just saw a die-hard movie where the cop
[28:08.000 --> 28:12.120]  knocks on the door and he says, who are you, and he says, he's New York PD, and he said,
[28:12.120 --> 28:14.160]  let me see an ID, and he showed it to him.
[28:14.160 --> 28:19.200]  Well, I could get one of those at the local dime store, and then he pulls his coat open
[28:19.200 --> 28:22.040]  and shows him the pistol.
[28:22.040 --> 28:27.920]  Well, what you're doing here with this criminal complaint against unknown officer is you're
[28:27.920 --> 28:28.920]  showing him your pistol.
[28:28.920 --> 28:31.520]  Yeah, you're going on the offense.
[28:31.520 --> 28:37.920]  Yeah, you hadn't pulled it, you're just showing him you got one, and say, now, guys, this
[28:37.920 --> 28:45.120]  is going to get sticky, and if you do it over something minor, and better if it's something
[28:45.120 --> 28:48.080]  they can argue their way out of.
[28:48.080 --> 28:54.080]  Yeah, well, aggravated perjury isn't very minor, but it does seem to be the most obvious
[28:54.080 --> 28:57.320]  charge, you know, in the-
[28:57.320 --> 28:59.920]  They know they'll beat it, but they have to.
[28:59.920 --> 29:06.400]  I did a seminar in Colorado, and they were talking about filing complaints with the grand
[29:06.400 --> 29:09.840]  jury, and they said, well, what if the grand jury doesn't invite?
[29:09.840 --> 29:12.520]  I said, well, that's not really the point.
[29:12.520 --> 29:18.120]  We're trying to get people to obey law and do it right, and going to the grand jury is
[29:18.120 --> 29:20.720]  like playing Russian roulette.
[29:20.720 --> 29:23.640]  Who here would like to play a little game of Russian roulette with me?
[29:23.640 --> 29:29.760]  Let's not use a six-shooter, let's take a nine-millimeter, take 15 blanks and one live
[29:29.760 --> 29:36.360]  round, mix them all up, load the clip, click, click, who wants to take the first shot?
[29:36.360 --> 29:39.160]  Yeah, all right, well, we're going to break.
[29:39.160 --> 29:46.840]  We've got Mark from Wisconsin, one of our affiliates, Eddie from McAdoshes, callers
[29:46.840 --> 29:47.840]  512-646-1984.
[29:47.840 --> 29:52.840]  We'll be taking your calls on the other side, we'll be right back.
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[30:02.960 --> 30:03.960]  to buy.
[30:03.960 --> 30:08.440]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties, and instability
[30:08.440 --> 30:11.960]  in rural financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
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[31:56.940 --> 31:59.940]  One by one, I have to chant them, man
[31:59.940 --> 32:03.940]  I chant down Babylon because Babylon is wrong
[32:03.940 --> 32:06.940]  The only right man, I say, is the rest, come on
[32:06.940 --> 32:10.940]  We take Mr. Rodman, the boy and the man
[32:10.940 --> 32:13.940]  To chant down Babylon, no, not later
[32:13.940 --> 32:17.940]  To let Babylon know that we're getting greater
[32:17.940 --> 32:20.940]  We bite the donkey, we shall chew the lily
[32:20.940 --> 32:27.940]  Jesus Christ, I'll rescue him and I'll chant down my one by one
[32:50.940 --> 32:56.940]  What do you think about that, Annette?
[32:56.940 --> 32:59.940]  I think, y'all, please excuse my voice
[32:59.940 --> 33:01.940]  I normally don't sound like it
[33:01.940 --> 33:02.940]  I know, I know
[33:02.940 --> 33:04.940]  My voice is kind of at large
[33:04.940 --> 33:08.940]  But I think it sounds wonderful
[33:08.940 --> 33:10.940]  I like playing that strategy
[33:10.940 --> 33:13.940]  This is how I like to play anyway
[33:13.940 --> 33:17.940]  I like to get down in the dirt with them
[33:17.940 --> 33:19.940]  I'll get in the dirt, that's fine
[33:19.940 --> 33:23.940]  You hit them, I've always been told, you hit them where it hurts
[33:23.940 --> 33:25.940]  And it's their pocketbook
[33:25.940 --> 33:28.940]  So anything that speaks is money
[33:28.940 --> 33:31.940]  So we have to hit them there
[33:31.940 --> 33:33.940]  I have filed numerous grievances
[33:33.940 --> 33:35.940]  I guess that's why I'm on there
[33:35.940 --> 33:37.940]  Mommy is straight with this
[33:37.940 --> 33:41.940]  Tony and I can give you a lot of tools to do that with
[33:41.940 --> 33:44.940]  You start taking the fight back to them
[33:44.940 --> 33:47.940]  You find they're all cowards in the end
[33:47.940 --> 33:49.940]  I want that
[33:49.940 --> 33:54.940]  You slap a coward upside his head, he generally ducks in and he's recovering
[33:54.940 --> 33:58.940]  Yeah, if we leave his head on him
[33:58.940 --> 33:59.940]  We need to take the fight
[33:59.940 --> 34:03.940]  Well, unless he has somebody bigger on the other side hitting him harder than you
[34:03.940 --> 34:09.940]  And if there is, then we need to find that out sooner than later
[34:09.940 --> 34:11.940]  Yeah
[34:11.940 --> 34:12.940]  Right
[34:12.940 --> 34:14.940]  All right, well, let's go to some calls
[34:14.940 --> 34:19.940]  We've got Jay from New York and Mark from Wisconsin
[34:19.940 --> 34:21.940]  You're welcome to stay live as well
[34:21.940 --> 34:22.940]  Jay, thanks for calling in
[34:22.940 --> 34:26.940]  You have a question for us or Annette?
[34:26.940 --> 34:29.940]  Jay
[34:29.940 --> 34:32.940]  Okay, we don't have Jay
[34:32.940 --> 34:33.940]  I think it was my voice
[34:33.940 --> 34:34.940]  I think I put him to sleep
[34:34.940 --> 34:38.940]  Okay, we're going to go now to Duane in Louisiana
[34:38.940 --> 34:39.940]  Duane, thanks for calling in
[34:39.940 --> 34:41.940]  You have a question for Annette or us?
[34:41.940 --> 34:42.940]  Actually for y'all
[34:42.940 --> 34:49.940]  The show started off with Tony talking about how to get a polygraph into the record by making it public
[34:49.940 --> 34:51.940]  Doing a classified ad or what have you
[34:51.940 --> 34:57.940]  Would there be any benefit to the overall strategy to file the...
[34:57.940 --> 35:06.940]  If in fact you know that the officer or the agent that swore out the original warrant would perjure himself
[35:06.940 --> 35:10.940]  And you file the criminal complaint of perjury against him
[35:10.940 --> 35:15.940]  And then do a classified ad in one of the local papers to make it public
[35:15.940 --> 35:16.940]  Would that be able...
[35:16.940 --> 35:19.940]  I'm going to suggest something more simple
[35:19.940 --> 35:21.940]  Okay, to bring it into the record though
[35:21.940 --> 35:23.940]  Post it on a website
[35:23.940 --> 35:24.940]  Wait a minute, I don't understand
[35:24.940 --> 35:27.940]  When you file a criminal complaint it is in the record
[35:27.940 --> 35:31.940]  But you get it out into the public record versus the...
[35:31.940 --> 35:32.940]  Not necessarily
[35:32.940 --> 35:33.940]  Okay
[35:33.940 --> 35:34.940]  You file the complaint
[35:34.940 --> 35:38.940]  If they don't file it with the court like they're supposed to
[35:38.940 --> 35:41.940]  It never becomes court record
[35:41.940 --> 35:43.940]  And that's one of the fights I'm having
[35:43.940 --> 35:46.940]  But if you post it on a website
[35:46.940 --> 35:48.940]  It becomes public domain
[35:48.940 --> 35:53.940]  And that's the guy in California, that's the ruling he got
[35:53.940 --> 35:58.940]  Attorney in California cited unpublished cases
[35:58.940 --> 36:01.940]  The opposition objected
[36:01.940 --> 36:04.940]  It was sustained
[36:04.940 --> 36:08.940]  The guy appealed, took it all the way to the Supreme Court
[36:08.940 --> 36:12.940]  And the Supreme Court in the end had to say
[36:12.940 --> 36:15.940]  Yes, if it's on a website
[36:15.940 --> 36:19.940]  That's accessible to anyone on earth
[36:19.940 --> 36:23.940]  Then it is in the public domain
[36:23.940 --> 36:27.940]  And it can't, it's published now and it can be cited
[36:27.940 --> 36:29.940]  And they told this attorney
[36:29.940 --> 36:34.940]  May your signature never smudge
[36:34.940 --> 36:38.940]  They were not happy with it but they had to rule it
[36:38.940 --> 36:42.940]  If you post this on a website
[36:42.940 --> 36:46.940]  It is published, it's public domain
[36:46.940 --> 36:52.940]  And it doesn't allow to come in to possibly help in the strategy for
[36:52.940 --> 36:56.940]  Showing the perjury of the...or at least opening that door
[36:56.940 --> 37:00.940]  And is there benefit to that if and when this goes to trial?
[37:00.940 --> 37:04.940]  Exactly, I actually used this without knowing that
[37:04.940 --> 37:06.940]  That it was public domain
[37:06.940 --> 37:08.940]  I went to a seminar in Dallas
[37:08.940 --> 37:14.940]  And there was a woman there who was setting up a website for this purpose
[37:14.940 --> 37:19.940]  If you file in the court record it costs you like ten bucks a page
[37:19.940 --> 37:27.940]  She will post them on a public domain website for five bucks a document
[37:27.940 --> 37:30.940]  And now it's public
[37:30.940 --> 37:35.940]  I went to my district attorney and I was talking to him about a complaint
[37:35.940 --> 37:38.940]  I filed against a district judge
[37:38.940 --> 37:44.940]  I filed an open records request with the district attorney
[37:44.940 --> 37:47.940]  And he refused to act so I filed with the attorney general
[37:47.940 --> 37:52.940]  And the attorney general refused to take it and told me I should file with the county attorney
[37:52.940 --> 37:56.940]  So I did but I filed criminal charges against the attorney general
[37:56.940 --> 38:01.940]  And he said, well Mr. Kelton, do you have a copy of the complaint that you sent?
[38:01.940 --> 38:03.940]  I said, well it is about 50 pages
[38:03.940 --> 38:09.940]  No, I don't have one but you can go on my website and get it off my website
[38:09.940 --> 38:14.940]  He said, oh Mr. Kelton, tell me you don't have that on the website
[38:14.940 --> 38:17.940]  Oh yes, it's right there on my website, you can just go pull it down
[38:17.940 --> 38:22.940]  Oh Mr. Kelton, you always give me such a pain in the behind
[38:22.940 --> 38:27.940]  And his reaction was very telling
[38:27.940 --> 38:34.940]  The fact that this was in the public domain where anyone could get it simply terrified him
[38:34.940 --> 38:41.940]  And then what happens if the DA or the U.S. attorney doesn't follow through on the investigation of these charges, of these allegations
[38:41.940 --> 38:44.940]  He filed criminal charges against the DA
[38:44.940 --> 38:51.940]  And I generally file, when I'm filing charges against a public, a low level official
[38:51.940 --> 38:54.940]  I never care about the low level official
[38:54.940 --> 38:57.940]  For me he's cannon fodder
[38:57.940 --> 39:00.940]  I use him to get a shot at the DA
[39:00.940 --> 39:04.940]  I really want to get to the district judge
[39:04.940 --> 39:08.940]  I told a sheriff's deputy in Johnson County that now
[39:08.940 --> 39:12.940]  He was real professional but he didn't do what I wanted him to do and I told him now
[39:12.940 --> 39:19.940]  I may be filing some really ugly sounding criminal charges against you and I hope you don't take it personal
[39:19.940 --> 39:23.940]  He said, you're going to file criminal charges against me? Well why me?
[39:23.940 --> 39:25.940]  Oh it's not you, I'm not after you
[39:25.940 --> 39:29.940]  Well then who are you after? Oh I'm after the district judge
[39:29.940 --> 39:33.940]  You're going to file criminal charges against me and you're after the district judge? I said yeah
[39:33.940 --> 39:35.940]  Well why me?
[39:35.940 --> 39:38.940]  Well you're convenient
[39:38.940 --> 39:42.940]  See he's cannon fodder to you, I don't care about him
[39:42.940 --> 39:46.940]  He's looking at me, ending his career
[39:46.940 --> 39:50.940]  Just so I can get a shot at the district judge
[39:50.940 --> 39:53.940]  I terrified this guy
[39:53.940 --> 39:56.940]  And that's how I want these officials at the bottom to feel
[39:56.940 --> 40:01.940]  Because I file against them and the prosecuting attorney tries to protect them
[40:01.940 --> 40:08.940]  And then I land on that prosecutor like a ton of bricks, bar grievances, criminal complaints
[40:08.940 --> 40:15.940]  Petition to the district court to remove him, to appoint an attorney pro tem
[40:15.940 --> 40:20.940]  An attorney pro tem stands in the place of the prosecutor
[40:20.940 --> 40:25.940]  I want him to appoint an attorney pro tem to prosecute the prosecutor
[40:25.940 --> 40:32.940]  And then disband the grand jury and appoint another grand jury to hear complaints against the prosecutor
[40:32.940 --> 40:34.940]  There's this whole mess
[40:34.940 --> 40:38.940]  And when the district judge doesn't do it then I go after the district judge
[40:38.940 --> 40:43.940]  And I create this mess where everybody's getting fingers pointed at them
[40:43.940 --> 40:47.940]  They never really get anything awful done to them
[40:47.940 --> 40:51.940]  But perception is everything
[40:51.940 --> 40:55.940]  Get the charges out there and the allegations
[40:55.940 --> 40:59.940]  These are public political officials
[40:59.940 --> 41:02.940]  They run for office again
[41:02.940 --> 41:06.940]  And U.S. attorneys are different because they're appointed
[41:06.940 --> 41:15.940]  But the U.S. attorney becomes a political liability by Bubba
[41:15.940 --> 41:19.940]  He can be fired at the president's whim
[41:19.940 --> 41:22.940]  Yes, go after their bonds
[41:22.940 --> 41:26.940]  There are guys who are doing this to great effect
[41:26.940 --> 41:29.940]  Especially with federal judges
[41:29.940 --> 41:32.940]  So we want to take everything we can
[41:32.940 --> 41:37.940]  And the thing about that is in the original case this doesn't have anything to do with it
[41:37.940 --> 41:41.940]  No it doesn't but this is another great offensive tool
[41:41.940 --> 41:45.940]  So this is great in that
[41:45.940 --> 41:56.940]  If I can interject Randy you can also upload all that stuff for free to Scribd.com
[41:56.940 --> 42:02.940]  You can upload any document you wish there and it doesn't cost a dime
[42:02.940 --> 42:09.940]  If it can be accessed by anyone then it's in the public domain
[42:09.940 --> 42:12.940]  It's published
[42:12.940 --> 42:15.940]  And that is a great tool
[42:15.940 --> 42:22.940]  For all of these guys who are having trouble getting clerks to accept their affidavits
[42:22.940 --> 42:25.940]  Then just follow them online
[42:25.940 --> 42:27.940]  And they are in the public domain
[42:27.940 --> 42:33.940]  And getting the DAs or the prosecutors to accept the complaint to investigate it
[42:33.940 --> 42:39.940]  I actually don't want the prosecutor to accept the complaint
[42:39.940 --> 42:42.940]  Because I want to kick him in his teeth
[42:42.940 --> 42:44.940]  Okay, got it
[42:44.940 --> 42:49.940]  I want to give him grief and he's going to go back to the guy that started this and say
[42:49.940 --> 42:55.940]  Look what you got me into this is all your fault
[42:55.940 --> 42:58.940]  I'm going to make you pay
[42:58.940 --> 42:59.940]  Good
[42:59.940 --> 43:02.940]  That's really what this is how we
[43:02.940 --> 43:05.940]  If you've been in combat
[43:05.940 --> 43:08.940]  You can't lose in combat
[43:08.940 --> 43:11.940]  So careful of either or
[43:11.940 --> 43:13.940]  Nothing in the middle
[43:13.940 --> 43:17.940]  You do a lot of things to soften up your target before you go into it
[43:17.940 --> 43:20.940]  And this is about softening up the target
[43:20.940 --> 43:26.940]  Yeah, that's what the prosecutor does to people by keeping them in jail
[43:26.940 --> 43:33.940]  Without having any documents filed in the court records so that they can put a squeeze on them
[43:33.940 --> 43:37.940]  Keep them away from their mom for two months with no charges, bingo
[43:37.940 --> 43:38.940]  Exactly
[43:38.940 --> 43:42.940]  Okay, great, great show and Annette will pray it for you
[43:42.940 --> 43:44.940]  Thank you so much
[43:44.940 --> 43:46.940]  There will be victory
[43:46.940 --> 43:48.940]  There will be, alright we're going to break
[43:48.940 --> 43:50.940]  We'll be right back and we're going to take more of your calls
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[45:44.940 --> 45:49.940]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[45:49.940 --> 45:57.940]  And Randy, you were mentioning on the break about how it doesn't take all that many people
[45:57.940 --> 46:02.940]  Even though we want everyone to do this, one person can really make a big difference.
[46:02.940 --> 46:07.940]  And I may hurt somebody's feelings here.
[46:07.940 --> 46:10.940]  And if I hurt your feelings, I certainly don't mean to.
[46:10.940 --> 46:19.940]  But I understand that 99% of the people listening to this show
[46:19.940 --> 46:29.940]  They like to hear the stories and it's encouraging to hear someone actually taking on these demons.
[46:29.940 --> 46:34.940]  But most of you will never step out here and do this.
[46:34.940 --> 46:41.940]  And I absolutely understand that because each of us has our own path to follow.
[46:41.940 --> 46:45.940]  And I'm not trying to get everyone to do what I'm doing.
[46:45.940 --> 46:48.940]  I'm looking for the 1%.
[46:48.940 --> 46:50.940]  I'm the 1%.
[46:50.940 --> 46:53.940]  And frankly, Annette's one of those 1%.
[46:53.940 --> 46:55.940]  I will.
[46:55.940 --> 46:58.940]  Annette, this is a calling.
[46:58.940 --> 47:08.940]  And I'm telling you, one person, if it took one person to take prayer out of the schools,
[47:08.940 --> 47:12.940]  as my mother reminded me, my 81-year-old mother reminded me,
[47:12.940 --> 47:17.940]  she said, if she could have done that, look what you can do.
[47:17.940 --> 47:21.940]  And she has just done me through this fight.
[47:21.940 --> 47:22.940]  And I will fight.
[47:22.940 --> 47:23.940]  I will fight the government.
[47:23.940 --> 47:26.940]  Even when this is over, I will continue to fight.
[47:26.940 --> 47:28.940]  Well, look at Rosa Parks.
[47:28.940 --> 47:31.940]  One woman refused to go to the back of the bus.
[47:31.940 --> 47:34.940]  And look at what happened.
[47:34.940 --> 47:36.940]  Look at my mother.
[47:36.940 --> 47:41.940]  I mean, my son wrote a speech on the living dead.
[47:41.940 --> 47:48.940]  And he used Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King as an example of what one person can do.
[47:48.940 --> 47:51.940]  And he talked about education in the schools.
[47:51.940 --> 48:00.940]  And his paper was so magnificent that this paper was passed on all around two and three counties
[48:00.940 --> 48:06.940]  and was asked to speak at the NAACP, one of their solo speakers.
[48:06.940 --> 48:10.940]  And now, mind you, you know, my son's just white salt cream.
[48:10.940 --> 48:17.940]  But it was the speech about what you can do that it was so good.
[48:17.940 --> 48:25.940]  But his teacher, when he wrote this, asked him to leave the class and told him,
[48:25.940 --> 48:28.940]  this is the way you feel about me.
[48:28.940 --> 48:32.940]  And he was just writing about what, you know, she said, write something that motivates you.
[48:32.940 --> 48:36.940]  Write something that will get the living again.
[48:36.940 --> 48:37.940]  And it was so good.
[48:37.940 --> 48:44.940]  She asked him to leave the class and do not ever come back if this is how you feel about me.
[48:44.940 --> 48:45.940]  Wait a minute.
[48:45.940 --> 48:46.940]  Was it directed at the teacher?
[48:46.940 --> 48:49.940]  Oh, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
[48:49.940 --> 48:50.940]  Then why is she taking it personal?
[48:50.940 --> 48:54.940]  Because that was where we were targeted by the school district.
[48:54.940 --> 48:55.940]  Oh.
[48:55.940 --> 48:56.940]  Oh, absolutely.
[48:56.940 --> 49:00.940]  I mean, this book, and he never got a grade on this paper.
[49:00.940 --> 49:08.940]  And if you would have read this paper that was written by a 13-year-old at the time,
[49:08.940 --> 49:15.940]  I mean, it was just people like my mother took it to church and read it.
[49:15.940 --> 49:19.940]  And black families took it to church and read it.
[49:19.940 --> 49:24.940]  Hispanic families took it to church and read it because it didn't have a color.
[49:24.940 --> 49:26.940]  It didn't have a race.
[49:26.940 --> 49:29.940]  It didn't have – it came from his heart.
[49:29.940 --> 49:33.940]  So, you know, you have to stand up for what you believe in.
[49:33.940 --> 49:41.940]  And you can't just sit back in your house, in your cozy house, and expect it to come for you.
[49:41.940 --> 49:46.940]  And the only boulders, I've learned, in your path of the ones that you put there,
[49:46.940 --> 49:48.940]  they are made to be moved.
[49:48.940 --> 49:51.940]  You have to move these boulders out of the way.
[49:51.940 --> 49:54.940]  And you cannot do it sitting and just listening.
[49:54.940 --> 49:55.940]  You've got to be active.
[49:55.940 --> 49:58.940]  You've got to be proactive to get this done.
[49:58.940 --> 50:01.940]  And this is exactly what the NMSC did.
[50:01.940 --> 50:03.940]  Look all back through history.
[50:03.940 --> 50:09.940]  Never did great change ever occur by the will of the masses.
[50:09.940 --> 50:17.940]  Great change always occurred by a single or a few, a small number of individuals
[50:17.940 --> 50:20.940]  who stood up and led the masses.
[50:20.940 --> 50:21.940]  Correct.
[50:21.940 --> 50:23.940]  That's the way it's always been.
[50:23.940 --> 50:25.940]  And that's the way it will always be.
[50:25.940 --> 50:30.940]  And this is not a condemnation of the masses.
[50:30.940 --> 50:34.940]  It's because everybody has their own direction.
[50:34.940 --> 50:37.940]  Everybody has their own path to follow.
[50:37.940 --> 50:46.940]  And sometimes they need someone to demonstrate how your path coincides with my path.
[50:46.940 --> 50:51.940]  And those are the ones I'm looking for, the ones who are willing to stand up
[50:51.940 --> 50:55.940]  and lead the rest in this particular fight.
[50:55.940 --> 50:59.940]  I have people ask me questions about all kinds of different areas of law,
[50:59.940 --> 51:03.940]  and I have to say, well, I don't know.
[51:03.940 --> 51:07.940]  You know, I don't follow that path. I only do due process.
[51:07.940 --> 51:12.940]  And so I can't feel bad about somebody who does something else other than what I do.
[51:12.940 --> 51:20.940]  But I'm looking for the one in a hundred who are angry enough and frustrated enough
[51:20.940 --> 51:29.940]  and have the moral fiber to stand up and say it makes no difference what you do.
[51:29.940 --> 51:40.940]  Annette, you reminded me of something I told a judge once about why I was doing this.
[51:40.940 --> 51:46.940]  I told him, you kicked this soap box up under my feet.
[51:46.940 --> 51:51.940]  You don't get to find that I stand squarely on it.
[51:51.940 --> 51:55.940]  They had kicked this soap box up under your feet.
[51:55.940 --> 52:02.940]  I think maybe they have someone standing on this one that they're not going to want to look at.
[52:02.940 --> 52:06.940]  I think you're absolutely correct.
[52:06.940 --> 52:09.940]  They really underestimate it.
[52:09.940 --> 52:11.940]  They underestimate all of us.
[52:11.940 --> 52:16.940]  There's a lot of mothers and fathers, but there are a lot of mothers out here
[52:16.940 --> 52:22.940]  that are very dedicated and devoted that got this stuff started for me.
[52:22.940 --> 52:28.940]  And one lady I would even like to mention, Judy Miller, she got this started
[52:28.940 --> 52:31.940]  and got me on the Alex Jones Show.
[52:31.940 --> 52:33.940]  She got this started for me.
[52:33.940 --> 52:39.940]  And I love her dearly, never met her, but I love her dearly because she has done so much.
[52:39.940 --> 52:45.940]  I mean that's that one person that got this whole thing rolling.
[52:45.940 --> 52:52.940]  And then the reporters that they're threatening to fire at WRAL for breaking the story
[52:52.940 --> 52:58.940]  and then the U.S. Attorney's Office coming in going, oh, that's just not true,
[52:58.940 --> 53:01.940]  putting egg on her face, Amanda Lamb.
[53:01.940 --> 53:04.940]  And she stood by what she did, and she's a good reporter,
[53:04.940 --> 53:11.940]  but now they're threatening to fire her over it because people don't understand what they don't understand.
[53:11.940 --> 53:13.940]  They can't comprehend.
[53:13.940 --> 53:22.940]  I don't mean to offend anybody, but until it's happened to you, it's...
[53:22.940 --> 53:27.940]  My approach is slightly different than Randy's when it comes to getting these people motivated.
[53:27.940 --> 53:32.940]  Randy, are you familiar with the movie Dodgeball with Ben Stiller?
[53:32.940 --> 53:38.940]  No. I don't have a TV or a radio, so...
[53:38.940 --> 53:43.940]  Well, Rip Torn is playing the coach to teach him how to play professional dodgeball, see,
[53:43.940 --> 53:49.940]  and one of the training tools he has is the one guy that isn't easily angered or easily motivated.
[53:49.940 --> 53:54.940]  He's, in fact, the worst player on the team, and he rolls up next to him and says,
[53:54.940 --> 53:56.940]  you got to get angry, you got to get angry.
[53:56.940 --> 53:58.940]  He goes, I really try.
[53:58.940 --> 54:02.940]  So he reaches out with his fist and whacks him in the nether regions, causing him to fall on the floor,
[54:02.940 --> 54:05.940]  and he goes, are you angry now?
[54:05.940 --> 54:10.940]  That's kind of my approach of trying to get people that want to stand by the sidelines
[54:10.940 --> 54:14.940]  and gripe and complain about the situation, but do nothing about it.
[54:14.940 --> 54:15.940]  Well, it makes me mad.
[54:15.940 --> 54:17.940]  Well, obviously, it's not making you mad enough.
[54:17.940 --> 54:21.940]  You're not stepping up to the plate and pushing back.
[54:21.940 --> 54:25.940]  You're letting yourself be run over, and that's just not going to work.
[54:25.940 --> 54:28.940]  Well, everybody can't do that.
[54:28.940 --> 54:29.940]  No, I understand that.
[54:29.940 --> 54:32.940]  I'm not knocking your approach, believe me.
[54:32.940 --> 54:35.940]  I had a guy pull a pistol on me once.
[54:35.940 --> 54:40.940]  He was a young kid, and I wanted nothing more.
[54:40.940 --> 54:43.940]  He was clearly shaking in his boots.
[54:43.940 --> 54:48.940]  He had ran into my car and then took off, and traffic was heavy,
[54:48.940 --> 54:54.940]  so I caught him and cut him off, got out of my car, and he stepped out with a pistol.
[54:54.940 --> 54:59.940]  He was about 18 or 19, and I wanted more than anything to walk up
[54:59.940 --> 55:05.940]  and just slap him into next week, but I looked in my car,
[55:05.940 --> 55:09.940]  and I had my two children with me.
[55:09.940 --> 55:17.940]  I could take this risk with myself, but I could not take this risk with my children.
[55:17.940 --> 55:18.940]  Correct.
[55:18.940 --> 55:19.940]  I understand.
[55:19.940 --> 55:24.940]  We have a lot of, you know, when we want to complain about someone
[55:24.940 --> 55:29.940]  who's not following our path, we need to stand in their shoes
[55:29.940 --> 55:35.940]  and see what issues they're having to deal with before we pass judgment.
[55:35.940 --> 55:43.940]  I'm not looking for everyone, and I accept that most people can't follow this path,
[55:43.940 --> 55:48.940]  and that's perfectly all right because everybody has their own issues they have to deal with.
[55:48.940 --> 55:53.940]  There are a few out there that can follow this path,
[55:53.940 --> 55:59.940]  and they're put in a position to where they will, and those are the ones I'm looking for.
[55:59.940 --> 56:03.940]  If I get one in 500, I feel like I've done great.
[56:03.940 --> 56:11.940]  We can change everything with that number of people, and I found one tonight.
[56:11.940 --> 56:13.940]  You definitely have.
[56:13.940 --> 56:14.940]  That's my word on it.
[56:14.940 --> 56:15.940]  This is a good show.
[56:15.940 --> 56:17.940]  That's my word.
[56:17.940 --> 56:19.940]  Well, I've got Eddie Craig.
[56:19.940 --> 56:21.940]  I've got Wendy from Tennessee.
[56:21.940 --> 56:25.940]  Wendy in Tennessee is a holy terror.
[56:25.940 --> 56:28.940]  She is terrifying East Tennessee.
[56:28.940 --> 56:34.940]  She's the terror of Tennessee in that she never did anything with law or legal activism
[56:34.940 --> 56:37.940]  or anything like that before she started listening to our show,
[56:37.940 --> 56:42.940]  and it all started because the city was coming down on her and her husband
[56:42.940 --> 56:47.940]  for not having a permit to grow flowers and sell them,
[56:47.940 --> 56:53.940]  and that just made her so mad that she just decided she was going to go on a tirade over it,
[56:53.940 --> 56:59.940]  and she's ended up taking down at least one judge that I know of,
[56:59.940 --> 57:04.940]  and she's also taken down the Secretary of Agriculture of Tennessee,
[57:04.940 --> 57:10.940]  and the mayor has resigned, just all kinds of stuff.
[57:10.940 --> 57:16.940]  She just gives them holy ATLL, and then the last time she was in court,
[57:16.940 --> 57:22.940]  she made the judge so mad that the judge abandoned the bench.
[57:22.940 --> 57:28.940]  The judge ran out of court, and so Wendy gets on the mic.
[57:28.940 --> 57:31.940]  She didn't go up to the bench, but on her mic,
[57:31.940 --> 57:36.940]  and she said the judge has abandoned the court,
[57:36.940 --> 57:41.940]  so I hereby rule in favor of the plaintiff, which is me,
[57:41.940 --> 57:43.940]  and this court and this case is now adjourned.
[57:43.940 --> 57:45.940]  Bam!
[57:45.940 --> 57:47.940]  Oh, my God.
[57:47.940 --> 57:50.940]  And the bailiffs and everybody were running over trying to mutor mic.
[57:50.940 --> 57:53.940]  Oh, my God. I was just dying laughing.
[57:53.940 --> 58:00.940]  The best thing about Wendy was someone called me and said,
[58:00.940 --> 58:04.940]  you don't know who I am, and he told me his name,
[58:04.940 --> 58:11.940]  and I just called to thank you for Wendy, and I was taken aback.
[58:11.940 --> 58:14.940]  I said, well, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.
[58:14.940 --> 58:19.940]  He said, well, Wendy is my mentor,
[58:19.940 --> 58:24.940]  and as I understand, you're Wendy's mentor.
[58:24.940 --> 58:27.940]  Yeah, it's really incredible. It's really incredible, Annette.
[58:27.940 --> 58:29.940]  That's why we're here.
[58:29.940 --> 58:31.940]  It's really incredible to see the progression of our listeners
[58:31.940 --> 58:34.940]  and our callers over the months and the years that we've been on the air,
[58:34.940 --> 58:38.940]  and to see how they grow and become more sophisticated.
[58:38.940 --> 58:40.940]  It's really incredible.
[58:40.940 --> 58:41.940]  All right, we're going to break.
[58:41.940 --> 58:44.940]  Let's stop the hour. We've got one more hour.
[58:44.940 --> 58:46.940]  We're going to go to your calls when we get back.
[58:46.940 --> 58:48.940]  We've got Steve, Jay, and Jeff coming right up.
[58:48.940 --> 58:50.940]  This is the rule of law, Raine Kelton, Debra Stevens.
[58:50.940 --> 58:52.940]  We're here with Eddie Craig and Annette.
[58:52.940 --> 59:15.940]  We're going to be right back.
[59:22.940 --> 59:47.940]  We're going to be right back.
[59:47.940 --> 01:00:04.940]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com,
[01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:15.940]  live free speech talk radio at its best.
[01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:18.940]  Thank you.
[01:00:45.940 --> 01:00:47.940]  Thank you.
[01:01:15.940 --> 01:01:31.940]  We will occupy our Father's house until he returns.
[01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:37.940]  That would be the earth that we occupy until our good Lord Jesus comes back.
[01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:43.940]  More music from my husband, myself, and Patterson Martin, the Three Shoes Posse.
[01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:45.940]  Annette, you didn't even know.
[01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:46.940]  I hadn't even told you yet.
[01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:47.940]  I'm in a band.
[01:01:47.940 --> 01:01:53.940]  I'm a musician, a songwriter, play bass and guitar and drums and keys and stuff.
[01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:55.940]  And we write songs about these issues.
[01:01:55.940 --> 01:02:01.940]  And the name of our band, Three Shoes Posse, what that means is for the bad guys,
[01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:07.940]  we give them three shoes, two on their feet and one in the dairy air.
[01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:12.940]  Yes, and her husband, great singer, incredible musician.
[01:02:12.940 --> 01:02:16.940]  I heard a song today and I couldn't help but think about Jerry.
[01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:18.940]  Oh, I think that's so sweet.
[01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:19.940]  All right, let's go to some...
[01:02:19.940 --> 01:02:24.940]  Yeah, the song was for the leader of the band.
[01:02:24.940 --> 01:02:30.940]  When he said the leader of the band is getting tired and his eyes are gross.
[01:02:30.940 --> 01:02:32.940]  Well, that's not my husband.
[01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:33.940]  I'll tell you what.
[01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:38.940]  My husband is a young whippersnapper and he has got a big fighting spirit.
[01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:43.940]  So you're thinking of someone else, Randy.
[01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:46.940]  Okay, let's go to Jay in New York.
[01:02:46.940 --> 01:02:49.940]  I don't know what Randy's talking about.
[01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:53.940]  Okay, Jay, I'm sorry.
[01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:55.940]  Okay, he dropped off the line.
[01:02:55.940 --> 01:02:58.940]  Okay, we're going now to Steve Skidmore.
[01:02:58.940 --> 01:03:00.940]  Steve, thanks for calling in.
[01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:01.940]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:03:01.940 --> 01:03:06.940]  Yes, I'm sorry if I sound like I might be beating a dead horse here.
[01:03:06.940 --> 01:03:08.940]  I just tuned in about a half hour ago.
[01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:09.940]  Well, wait a minute.
[01:03:09.940 --> 01:03:14.940]  A comment about beating a dead horse could hurt.
[01:03:14.940 --> 01:03:17.940]  No, I didn't really mean anything by that.
[01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:20.940]  That's my dead horse humor for tonight.
[01:03:20.940 --> 01:03:21.940]  Sorry about that.
[01:03:21.940 --> 01:03:22.940]  I do have a question for you, though.
[01:03:22.940 --> 01:03:27.940]  You've got Eddie Craig on and I've been listening intently for the last week and a half, I think,
[01:03:27.940 --> 01:03:30.940]  to your archives with Eddie Craig.
[01:03:30.940 --> 01:03:38.940]  And Randy, I was wondering if you ever got a chance to get your hands on the Texas Administration Code,
[01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:42.940]  Title I, Chapters I and II.
[01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:43.940]  No.
[01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:44.940]  No?
[01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:46.940]  I got your emails on it.
[01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:47.940]  Okay.
[01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:51.940]  But frankly, something else came up.
[01:03:51.940 --> 01:03:57.940]  You know, in doing what I'm doing, I give up my business.
[01:03:57.940 --> 01:04:02.940]  I've sold off all my property and I got an opportunity.
[01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:07.940]  I got a piece of equipment I designed to finance, so I'm not in Austin right now.
[01:04:07.940 --> 01:04:10.940]  I'm in Dallas building a piece of equipment.
[01:04:10.940 --> 01:04:12.940]  So I hadn't had time to get back to that.
[01:04:12.940 --> 01:04:21.940]  I did see that and I very much want to get the code complete.
[01:04:21.940 --> 01:04:32.940]  I know a lot of people are advocating a paperless office, but I have trouble trying to read a document on the web.
[01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:42.940]  So trying to study the administrative code on the Internet, for me, is difficult and disjointed.
[01:04:42.940 --> 01:04:43.940]  Right.
[01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:51.940]  You might understand Chapters I and II in Title I are unavailable, unsearchable.
[01:04:51.940 --> 01:04:54.940]  Yeah, they're not even listed on the Internet at all.
[01:04:54.940 --> 01:04:56.940]  Yeah, that's why I was wondering.
[01:04:56.940 --> 01:04:57.940]  What do we got to do to get that?
[01:04:57.940 --> 01:05:04.940]  Do we have to file a FOIA or just march in there and demand it or what?
[01:05:04.940 --> 01:05:08.940]  You know, I'm sure it's available somewhere.
[01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:09.940]  It's got to be.
[01:05:09.940 --> 01:05:11.940]  I just haven't found it yet.
[01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:23.940]  I've had a couple of people, I have someone sending me emails saying that they can write a string of code
[01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:32.940]  that can go into the website that has the administrative code and pull it down piece by piece and then sew it together.
[01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:35.940]  I want to get it in one piece so I can print it out.
[01:05:35.940 --> 01:05:38.940]  Yeah, absolutely, in its entirety.
[01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:41.940]  They've got to be hiding something or they're definitely hiding something.
[01:05:41.940 --> 01:05:48.940]  And it's got to be some really good stuff if they're going through so much pain to hide it from we the people.
[01:05:48.940 --> 01:05:52.940]  And I think it would behoove us to do our due diligence.
[01:05:52.940 --> 01:05:55.940]  So this is what's prompted my call tonight.
[01:05:55.940 --> 01:06:02.940]  I know the archives with Eddie are at least a week old and I was just wondering if you'd had a chance.
[01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:07.940]  But if there's anything I can do to get my hands on it, all you've got to do is tell me what to do
[01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:10.940]  and I'll go do it.
[01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:15.940]  This has got to be some very, very important legislation.
[01:06:15.940 --> 01:06:16.940]  I'm not sure yet.
[01:06:16.940 --> 01:06:18.940]  I haven't had time to search it out.
[01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:22.940]  It may actually be available somewhere.
[01:06:22.940 --> 01:06:25.940]  I'm just not sure where yet.
[01:06:25.940 --> 01:06:27.940]  I'd be very interested in seeing that.
[01:06:27.940 --> 01:06:31.940]  Okay, when I find it, I will definitely let you know.
[01:06:31.940 --> 01:06:33.940]  Bless your heart, sir.
[01:06:33.940 --> 01:06:34.940]  Thank you very much for your time.
[01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:36.940]  Thanks, Steve.
[01:06:36.940 --> 01:06:37.940]  Bye-bye.
[01:06:37.940 --> 01:06:42.940]  All right, we're going to go now to Jeff in Maryland.
[01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:44.940]  Hey, Jeff, thanks for calling in.
[01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:46.940]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:06:46.940 --> 01:06:47.940]  Good evening, Deborah.
[01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:48.940]  Good evening, Randy.
[01:06:48.940 --> 01:06:51.940]  Randy, you're ex-military, right?
[01:06:51.940 --> 01:06:52.940]  Yes.
[01:06:52.940 --> 01:06:55.940]  Watch your flanks.
[01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:58.940]  I always watch my flanks.
[01:06:58.940 --> 01:07:05.940]  You know, when I get on a telephone call, I always assume I'm being listened to.
[01:07:05.940 --> 01:07:13.940]  I always assume that who I'm talking to is a federal agent trying to set me up.
[01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:16.940]  I watch closely.
[01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:17.940]  Okay.
[01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:24.940]  This youngster, and not to diminish the trauma and the terror that he and his mom are going through,
[01:07:24.940 --> 01:07:27.940]  is too small for this big an action.
[01:07:27.940 --> 01:07:29.940]  Is there something else going on?
[01:07:29.940 --> 01:07:31.940]  I very much understand that.
[01:07:31.940 --> 01:07:38.940]  And I'm trying to figure out, trying to anticipate what the heck is going on here.
[01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:42.940]  Start reading your newspapers and look for the government press releases.
[01:07:42.940 --> 01:07:46.940]  They call it investigative reporting, but it's government press releases.
[01:07:46.940 --> 01:07:50.940]  Yes, I understand that the government owns everything.
[01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:55.940]  You know, they own the press, that they control everything.
[01:07:55.940 --> 01:08:02.940]  And I realize this kid is just a token, that he's being used for something else.
[01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:04.940]  Well, I mean, I think it's very...
[01:08:04.940 --> 01:08:05.940]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:07.940]  I've got to say something, too.
[01:08:07.940 --> 01:08:14.940]  That if we handle him right, instead of an asset, we can turn him into a liability.
[01:08:14.940 --> 01:08:17.940]  Oh, I certainly hope so.
[01:08:17.940 --> 01:08:23.940]  Well, yeah, and it seems very clear to me because governments have always pulled off false flag ops
[01:08:23.940 --> 01:08:31.940]  and PSY ops and targeting soft targets and women and children to enrage the public
[01:08:31.940 --> 01:08:38.940]  for psychological conditioning so that we'll accept just whatever they want to do to us.
[01:08:38.940 --> 01:08:43.940]  And, you know, if you listened to the show earlier and explained the history
[01:08:43.940 --> 01:08:48.940]  and her husband who was murdered right after he witnessed,
[01:08:48.940 --> 01:08:53.940]  or about a year after he witnessed a murder in prison, okay,
[01:08:53.940 --> 01:08:59.940]  and it's like they're just looking for an opportunity to try to do something to these guys
[01:08:59.940 --> 01:09:04.940]  because I'm thinking that they think Annette knows something about this, even though she doesn't, okay,
[01:09:04.940 --> 01:09:09.940]  and that they're trying to use this all as leverage because they have something to hide.
[01:09:09.940 --> 01:09:16.940]  And it's a ripe opportunity for the PSY op to condition the whole country into accepting the Patriot Act.
[01:09:16.940 --> 01:09:20.940]  I mean, this seems pretty cut and dry to me, really.
[01:09:20.940 --> 01:09:26.940]  Well, the Patriot Act could be a possibility on this, Deborah.
[01:09:26.940 --> 01:09:31.940]  One of the things they are trying to do is they are trying to enhance that, especially when it comes to the Internet.
[01:09:31.940 --> 01:09:33.940]  Well, yeah, and see, that's the other thing.
[01:09:33.940 --> 01:09:40.940]  This is an opportunity for them to demonize homeschoolers and parents that homeschool their children
[01:09:40.940 --> 01:09:42.940]  and to vilify the Internet as well.
[01:09:42.940 --> 01:09:47.940]  I mean, it's just, it's a total mind game.
[01:09:47.940 --> 01:09:49.940]  I mean, I see right through this stuff.
[01:09:49.940 --> 01:09:51.940]  I really do.
[01:09:51.940 --> 01:09:56.940]  Randy, you remember the story you told about cowards?
[01:09:56.940 --> 01:09:58.940]  No?
[01:09:58.940 --> 01:10:02.940]  Randy?
[01:10:02.940 --> 01:10:04.940]  Did we lose Randy?
[01:10:04.940 --> 01:10:07.940]  Somebody turn my mic down again.
[01:10:07.940 --> 01:10:10.940]  Somebody?
[01:10:10.940 --> 01:10:12.940]  Anyway.
[01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:14.940]  When I first heard this story...
[01:10:14.940 --> 01:10:18.940]  The way they go around looking for soft spots and waiting to get around behind you?
[01:10:18.940 --> 01:10:19.940]  Pardon me?
[01:10:19.940 --> 01:10:24.940]  The way they go around probing for soft spots and trying in their effort to get behind you so they can stab you in the back?
[01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:25.940]  Yes.
[01:10:25.940 --> 01:10:29.940]  When I first heard this story, I said, wait a minute.
[01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:30.940]  Wait a minute.
[01:10:30.940 --> 01:10:43.940]  It sounds too outrageous. I had enough experience with spooks to always distrust first impressions.
[01:10:43.940 --> 01:10:48.940]  Clearly, whatever's going on here, it has nothing to do with the 16-year-old.
[01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:52.940]  Yeah, but there is that Nysong syndrome hanging out, isn't there?
[01:10:52.940 --> 01:10:59.940]  They have some other agenda, and they're using him as cannon fodder to serve their agenda.
[01:10:59.940 --> 01:11:03.940]  I have two options here.
[01:11:03.940 --> 01:11:12.940]  First, if I can figure out what their agenda is, then I can work out a way to interfere with the agenda.
[01:11:12.940 --> 01:11:24.940]  If I can't figure out what the agenda is, and in this case, I don't think I'll be able to, I can turn him from an asset to a liability.
[01:11:24.940 --> 01:11:36.940]  So whatever their agenda is, he becomes too political to hang onto, and they abandon him as an asset.
[01:11:36.940 --> 01:11:39.940]  That's what I'm looking at.
[01:11:39.940 --> 01:11:44.940]  But right now, I really don't know enough.
[01:11:44.940 --> 01:11:45.940]  All right.
[01:11:45.940 --> 01:11:51.940]  Randy, I think I found out why we can't get our hands on the administrative code.
[01:11:51.940 --> 01:11:54.940]  West Publishing is selling it for $3,100.
[01:11:54.940 --> 01:11:57.940]  That's why we can't get it.
[01:11:57.940 --> 01:11:59.940]  Wow.
[01:11:59.940 --> 01:12:01.940]  Wow.
[01:12:01.940 --> 01:12:02.940]  Okay.
[01:12:02.940 --> 01:12:11.940]  Well, listen, we need to move on because we've got a full board of callers, and we're coming to the end of the segment of the last hour.
[01:12:11.940 --> 01:12:17.940]  So we're going to go now to John in Florida.
[01:12:17.940 --> 01:12:19.940]  John, thanks for calling in.
[01:12:19.940 --> 01:12:22.940]  Do you have a question or comment for Annette or us?
[01:12:22.940 --> 01:12:23.940]  Yes, I do.
[01:12:23.940 --> 01:12:25.940]  Is Eddie Craig on now on the line?
[01:12:25.940 --> 01:12:27.940]  Yes, Eddie is here with us.
[01:12:27.940 --> 01:12:28.940]  Okay, great.
[01:12:28.940 --> 01:12:35.940]  So I guess this is like a two-pronged questionnaire, I guess, or two sides to the issue here.
[01:12:35.940 --> 01:12:42.940]  I received two traffic citations, one for speeding and one for expired registration.
[01:12:42.940 --> 01:12:48.940]  So Eddie Craig, I guess the point of attack I would want to look at, you know, to get from Eddie and then from Randy,
[01:12:48.940 --> 01:12:57.940]  if I could, you know, proper process of our protocol of doing so.
[01:12:57.940 --> 01:12:59.940]  You want to go first, Randy?
[01:12:59.940 --> 01:13:02.940]  No, you go ahead.
[01:13:02.940 --> 01:13:07.940]  Well, as I said, my research is based entirely upon the Texas codes,
[01:13:07.940 --> 01:13:10.940]  though I have noticed similarities between a lot of the state codes.
[01:13:10.940 --> 01:13:14.940]  First thing you want to find out is research the state statutes,
[01:13:14.940 --> 01:13:20.940]  find out exactly what the criteria and each and every element of a speeding charge are.
[01:13:20.940 --> 01:13:26.940]  Search out the definitions for every word that's used in that particular section of statute.
[01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:32.940]  Backtrack it all the way up to the title it's in if you have to to find relevant definitions.
[01:13:32.940 --> 01:13:35.940]  Also check and see if there is a code construction act.
[01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:40.940]  You can tell this by going to the very top of any state code
[01:13:40.940 --> 01:13:45.940]  and see if there is a section titled construction of code.
[01:13:45.940 --> 01:13:49.940]  It will reference you to probably your state's government code
[01:13:49.940 --> 01:13:55.940]  that will give you the general definitions that are supposed to be used in every code, just like they do in Texas.
[01:13:55.940 --> 01:13:56.940]  Okay, hold on.
[01:13:56.940 --> 01:13:59.940]  Co-Construction Act.
[01:13:59.940 --> 01:14:01.940]  Explain that.
[01:14:01.940 --> 01:14:08.940]  Here in Texas in the government code there is what's called the Code Construction Act, which is Chapter 311.
[01:14:08.940 --> 01:14:14.940]  Chapter 311 basically states if you're going to write a Texas statute, here's what you must know
[01:14:14.940 --> 01:14:20.940]  and here's how it must be constructed in language and application.
[01:14:20.940 --> 01:14:28.940]  And basically what it does is it outlines how a statute is to be created, what its application must be,
[01:14:28.940 --> 01:14:33.940]  and the particular definition of certain words by generality.
[01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:43.940]  In other words, this term will always mean this unless this particular statute says it means specifically something different.
[01:14:43.940 --> 01:14:49.940]  And so that's what's called a general statement or a general definition.
[01:14:49.940 --> 01:14:58.940]  When Eddie first brought that up, I was incredibly pleased.
[01:14:58.940 --> 01:15:05.940]  The one thing I know about attorneys are they are incredibly lazy.
[01:15:05.940 --> 01:15:15.940]  And they're not lazy necessarily on purpose, but this good old boy professional courtesy thing
[01:15:15.940 --> 01:15:22.940]  binds them to just a few things they can do.
[01:15:22.940 --> 01:15:31.940]  The judge is, you know, a judge sits up there and he hears the same things over and over and over and over
[01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:33.940]  and he gets tired of hearing it.
[01:15:33.940 --> 01:15:38.940]  Prosecutors, they go through the same thing over and over and over and over and over.
[01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:40.940]  They hear the same stories over and over.
[01:15:40.940 --> 01:15:42.940]  They get tired of hearing it.
[01:15:42.940 --> 01:15:46.940]  So they work up these things they do.
[01:15:46.940 --> 01:15:54.940]  If a defense attorney comes along and screws it up, they get whacked real good.
[01:15:54.940 --> 01:16:04.940]  I was in court once and since I was pro se, this law firm representing the county appointed this brand new attorney.
[01:16:04.940 --> 01:16:08.940]  He was like 24, so he had to just pass his bar.
[01:16:08.940 --> 01:16:18.940]  And he brings in some case citations that he had copied on a copier from the book.
[01:16:18.940 --> 01:16:23.940]  And the type was so small, there was absolutely no way I could read it.
[01:16:23.940 --> 01:16:29.940]  I'm sitting in the courtroom and he gives them to the judge and he gives them to me.
[01:16:29.940 --> 01:16:38.940]  And I look at it and I raised my hand and said, Your Honor, does the court have a magnifying glass?
[01:16:38.940 --> 01:16:43.940]  And the judge looked at me and then he looked down at the documents.
[01:16:43.940 --> 01:16:51.940]  He picked them up and slung them off the bench and they just splattered like confetti.
[01:16:51.940 --> 01:16:52.940]  Oh boy.
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[01:18:33.940 --> 01:18:40.940]  Charting through creation with the book of life in our hands.
[01:18:40.940 --> 01:18:43.940]  From Genesis to Revelation.
[01:18:43.940 --> 01:18:48.940]  Babylon, we say you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
[01:18:48.940 --> 01:18:51.940]  We chant down Babylon.
[01:18:51.940 --> 01:18:53.940]  And we're doing something about it as well.
[01:18:53.940 --> 01:18:55.940]  All right.
[01:18:55.940 --> 01:19:01.940]  We're speaking with John in Florida and we're just going to pause the call for one moment because Annette needs to go.
[01:19:01.940 --> 01:19:06.940]  She stayed with us for over three hours here on Rule of Law Radio.
[01:19:06.940 --> 01:19:07.940]  Amazing, Annette.
[01:19:07.940 --> 01:19:10.940]  Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
[01:19:10.940 --> 01:19:13.940]  Did you have any closing comments?
[01:19:13.940 --> 01:19:23.940]  I want to thank everybody for listening and everybody for their support in this endeavor.
[01:19:23.940 --> 01:19:28.940]  And they pray for my son, most of all, and they pray for Friday.
[01:19:28.940 --> 01:19:35.940]  And if anybody can get to Southfield, Indiana next Friday the 22nd at 9 o'clock,
[01:19:35.940 --> 01:19:41.940]  be there at the courthouse, at the federal courthouse, because I need, I'll be up there by myself.
[01:19:41.940 --> 01:19:43.940]  You need a lot of support.
[01:19:43.940 --> 01:19:46.940]  If you can get out listeners, please.
[01:19:46.940 --> 01:19:48.940]  I will love you for it.
[01:19:48.940 --> 01:19:50.940]  I'll love you any way for it.
[01:19:50.940 --> 01:19:52.940]  So thank you for having me.
[01:19:52.940 --> 01:19:57.940]  This has been quite an evening and I have been enlightened.
[01:19:57.940 --> 01:20:04.940]  And also I'm a member of a team now, a big team.
[01:20:04.940 --> 01:20:06.940]  Thank you so much.
[01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:08.940]  And I'd like to say goodnight to everybody.
[01:20:08.940 --> 01:20:15.940]  Randy, Mark, Eddie.
[01:20:15.940 --> 01:20:17.940]  Who's going to leave out now?
[01:20:17.940 --> 01:20:18.940]  And Tony.
[01:20:18.940 --> 01:20:19.940]  And Tony.
[01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:20.940]  I'm sorry, Tony.
[01:20:20.940 --> 01:20:21.940]  Yes, of course.
[01:20:21.940 --> 01:20:24.940]  And blessed are my love to you, Deborah.
[01:20:24.940 --> 01:20:25.940]  Thank you so much.
[01:20:25.940 --> 01:20:26.940]  We love you, Annette.
[01:20:26.940 --> 01:20:27.940]  We love you.
[01:20:27.940 --> 01:20:28.940]  Thank you so much.
[01:20:28.940 --> 01:20:29.940]  All right.
[01:20:29.940 --> 01:20:34.940]  And we'll be talking to you tomorrow and Tony about what the next steps are going to be and hooking you up.
[01:20:34.940 --> 01:20:35.940]  I'll be here.
[01:20:35.940 --> 01:20:38.940]  I'll be there tomorrow.
[01:20:38.940 --> 01:20:39.940]  Well, I'll be here.
[01:20:39.940 --> 01:20:41.940]  Probably better to catch you in the afternoon because I'm good.
[01:20:41.940 --> 01:20:43.940]  I've got hours to run first thing in the morning.
[01:20:43.940 --> 01:20:44.940]  But thanks.
[01:20:44.940 --> 01:20:45.940]  Okay.
[01:20:45.940 --> 01:20:46.940]  Thank you, Annette.
[01:20:46.940 --> 01:20:47.940]  All right.
[01:20:47.940 --> 01:20:48.940]  Have a good night.
[01:20:48.940 --> 01:20:49.940]  All right.
[01:20:49.940 --> 01:20:50.940]  Good night, everybody.
[01:20:50.940 --> 01:20:51.940]  Okay.
[01:20:51.940 --> 01:20:52.940]  Bye-bye.
[01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:53.940]  Bye.
[01:20:53.940 --> 01:20:54.940]  Bye.
[01:20:54.940 --> 01:20:55.940]  Okay.
[01:20:55.940 --> 01:20:56.940]  So we were speaking with John in Florida.
[01:20:56.940 --> 01:21:00.940]  And, Randy, you were telling the story about the flying the papers everywhere.
[01:21:00.940 --> 01:21:05.940]  Yes, he slung the papers out, and they just splattered like confetti.
[01:21:05.940 --> 01:21:13.940]  And he said, don't you ever bring any trash like this into my courtroom again.
[01:21:13.940 --> 01:21:18.940]  At first, I was really shocked.
[01:21:18.940 --> 01:21:24.940]  And then, after watching this little attorney jump up and run and gather up these papers,
[01:21:24.940 --> 01:21:30.940]  I looked up at the judge, and him and I were at odds.
[01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:39.940]  And I sort of smiled at him like, yes, I understand that you're acting like his father.
[01:21:39.940 --> 01:21:46.940]  You're teaching him how to conduct himself in court because he's one of your guys.
[01:21:46.940 --> 01:21:49.940]  You weren't picking on him.
[01:21:49.940 --> 01:21:52.940]  When he comes to me, he's going to crucify me.
[01:21:52.940 --> 01:21:59.940]  But all he's going to do is embarrass the other attorney because they're all on the same team.
[01:21:59.940 --> 01:22:02.940]  And the judge is part of the team.
[01:22:02.940 --> 01:22:08.940]  He's teaching this guy how to conduct himself in court.
[01:22:08.940 --> 01:22:10.940]  That's the problem.
[01:22:10.940 --> 01:22:18.940]  They're all on the same team, all the attorneys, the prosecutors, and the judges.
[01:22:18.940 --> 01:22:24.940]  Well, yeah, I know, and it's like I was convinced that there wasn't going to be any attorney
[01:22:24.940 --> 01:22:27.940]  that would be able to help Annette.
[01:22:27.940 --> 01:22:33.940]  But I forgot about those few that Tony knows.
[01:22:33.940 --> 01:22:38.940]  So I think actually that he can hook her up.
[01:22:38.940 --> 01:22:40.940]  There's a lot more out there than we know.
[01:22:40.940 --> 01:22:44.940]  I once ran for sheriff, and at this one meeting,
[01:22:44.940 --> 01:22:51.940]  I told everybody out in the audience that when it comes time to vote,
[01:22:51.940 --> 01:22:58.940]  every attorney in the county is going to vote for me, and not one of them is going to admit it.
[01:22:58.940 --> 01:23:07.940]  The reason being is that I will give them opportunity to really be attorneys again,
[01:23:07.940 --> 01:23:11.940]  to actually go out there and fight for your rights.
[01:23:11.940 --> 01:23:19.940]  And the way I'll do that is to make sure that that judge doesn't render bogus rulings against you
[01:23:19.940 --> 01:23:21.940]  if you do something you don't like.
[01:23:21.940 --> 01:23:25.940]  Because if need be, I'll sit in that courtroom and watch that judge,
[01:23:25.940 --> 01:23:30.940]  and if I catch him rendering a bogus decision, I'll arrest him myself.
[01:23:30.940 --> 01:23:31.940]  Right.
[01:23:31.940 --> 01:23:38.940]  Well, see, the thing that I was concerned about Annette is that you're always saying that all attorneys,
[01:23:38.940 --> 01:23:42.940]  no attorney is going to really fight for your rights because the judges are going to ruin their careers.
[01:23:42.940 --> 01:23:47.940]  And so it puzzles me that there are some attorneys out there
[01:23:47.940 --> 01:23:51.940]  that can actually do the right thing without getting their careers destroyed.
[01:23:51.940 --> 01:23:55.940]  I don't quite see how that works.
[01:23:55.940 --> 01:23:58.940]  Well, look at Annette.
[01:23:58.940 --> 01:24:01.940]  It doesn't matter at this point.
[01:24:01.940 --> 01:24:11.940]  At some point, you know, look at me. What can they do to me that does not pale into insignificance
[01:24:11.940 --> 01:24:16.940]  before the debt that I owe for my freedom?
[01:24:16.940 --> 01:24:27.940]  And we actually have attorneys out there that their integrity at one point becomes more valuable than dollar flow.
[01:24:27.940 --> 01:24:35.940]  I was in an assistant district county attorney's office once, and I was crawling down his throat.
[01:24:35.940 --> 01:24:39.940]  And he said, just a moment, Mr. Kelton.
[01:24:39.940 --> 01:24:45.940]  He got up, he walked around the desk, went over, closed the door, came back, sat down, and he said,
[01:24:45.940 --> 01:24:53.940]  he'd leaped across the desk, and he said, Mr. Kelton, don't stop.
[01:24:53.940 --> 01:25:00.940]  And frankly, I was taken aback because I was there to work him over.
[01:25:00.940 --> 01:25:03.940]  And he said, don't stop. And I said, I don't know what you mean.
[01:25:03.940 --> 01:25:09.940]  He said, Mr. Kelton, I worked for the county district attorney's office for five years.
[01:25:09.940 --> 01:25:19.940]  And I reached the point that I just could not do this anymore, and I quit.
[01:25:19.940 --> 01:25:24.940]  He said, Mr. Kelton, I cannot fix this.
[01:25:24.940 --> 01:25:28.940]  The sheriff's department can't fix it, and the court can't fix it.
[01:25:28.940 --> 01:25:33.940]  You may be the only one who can fix this.
[01:25:33.940 --> 01:25:36.940]  And I clearly understood what he meant.
[01:25:36.940 --> 01:25:46.940]  I'm probably the only one who could fix it because I'm just an ordinary individual willing to stand up to him.
[01:25:46.940 --> 01:25:53.940]  When he finished saying that, he got up, went over and opened the door, and went back and sat down,
[01:25:53.940 --> 01:25:55.940]  and started arguing with me again.
[01:25:55.940 --> 01:25:58.940]  Yeah, of course, because he has to put on the show.
[01:25:58.940 --> 01:26:10.940]  He may well have been one of those things that absolutely convinced me that I was doing the right thing, that I couldn't stop.
[01:26:10.940 --> 01:26:13.940]  And that we secretly have friends on the inside, too.
[01:26:13.940 --> 01:26:14.940]  Yes.
[01:26:14.940 --> 01:26:19.940]  All right, let's take some more calls because we're starting to run low on time here.
[01:26:19.940 --> 01:26:21.940]  John, did you have anything else for us?
[01:26:21.940 --> 01:26:22.940]  Yeah, I mean, I didn't.
[01:26:22.940 --> 01:26:28.940]  I don't think we kind of even got very far into answering, like, the points that Eddie was touching on.
[01:26:28.940 --> 01:26:29.940]  Okay, go back to your point.
[01:26:29.940 --> 01:26:32.940]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:26:32.940 --> 01:26:37.940]  Yeah, basically, you've got to get the terminology down that they're trying to use against you.
[01:26:37.940 --> 01:26:42.940]  You've got to figure out what the requirements and elements of each of the charges they are against you,
[01:26:42.940 --> 01:26:45.940]  and you're only going to get those out of your state codes.
[01:26:45.940 --> 01:26:52.940]  So immediately get specific sections of the statutes for which you're being charged.
[01:26:52.940 --> 01:27:02.940]  Look for anything with similar language in it, and see if it can be cross-referenced to what you're looking for.
[01:27:02.940 --> 01:27:07.940]  But basically, you're looking for things like the Code Construction Act.
[01:27:07.940 --> 01:27:12.940]  You're trying to see if there's a generally applicable definition for each and every section you're using,
[01:27:12.940 --> 01:27:15.940]  whether or not that term is redefined within that section.
[01:27:15.940 --> 01:27:21.940]  You've got to look and see how the code is constructed and what controls it.
[01:27:21.940 --> 01:27:23.940]  Okay.
[01:27:23.940 --> 01:27:24.940]  I'm sorry.
[01:27:24.940 --> 01:27:26.940]  Go ahead, go ahead.
[01:27:26.940 --> 01:27:30.940]  I just want to know where should I do my research to find these things?
[01:27:30.940 --> 01:27:32.940]  I've never done research along these lines.
[01:27:32.940 --> 01:27:40.940]  Every state code is online right now, with the possible exception of the first two chapters of the Texas Administrative Code,
[01:27:40.940 --> 01:27:42.940]  which I can't find anywhere.
[01:27:42.940 --> 01:27:46.940]  But in any case, you can get to your state statutes online.
[01:27:46.940 --> 01:27:54.940]  All you usually have to do is go to www.yourstate.gov, and that will take you to whatever your state website is.
[01:27:54.940 --> 01:27:59.940]  Just start looking for the general state statutes, state codes.
[01:27:59.940 --> 01:28:03.940]  There will be some link on it, and it will take you to where they are online.
[01:28:03.940 --> 01:28:04.940]  Okay.
[01:28:04.940 --> 01:28:10.940]  If you're like me and you have trouble reading long documents online,
[01:28:10.940 --> 01:28:17.940]  you might try going to your junior colleges if you're interested in criminal,
[01:28:17.940 --> 01:28:33.940]  because most junior colleges have a criminal justice section where they provide college courses for potential police officers.
[01:28:33.940 --> 01:28:48.940]  Their bookstore will almost always have a book with the criminal code, the criminal procedure code, traffic code, family code.
[01:28:48.940 --> 01:28:54.940]  They just kind of have those things that a police officer has to deal with.
[01:28:54.940 --> 01:28:57.940]  Oh, there is one other key to that too, Randy.
[01:28:57.940 --> 01:29:07.940]  If you're going to a library such as that, try to find the original general code for your state.
[01:29:07.940 --> 01:29:18.940]  The general code, it contains the absolute base language used by the legislative act on which all the statutes are based.
[01:29:18.940 --> 01:29:19.940]  Yes.
[01:29:19.940 --> 01:29:26.940]  The thing I like best about Eddie Craig is his discipline of mind.
[01:29:26.940 --> 01:29:30.940]  Frankly, I'm somewhat intimidated by it.
[01:29:30.940 --> 01:29:38.940]  First thing you need to do is read the code the way it's codified.
[01:29:38.940 --> 01:29:44.940]  You'll probably find that they'll have a book with most of the codes in it,
[01:29:44.940 --> 01:29:51.940]  but keep in mind that's a code and not the original legislation.
[01:29:51.940 --> 01:30:00.940]  Once you've studied the code, and this is how I suggest you do it, get the penal code and read it.
[01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:03.940]  Don't try to understand everything that's in it.
[01:30:03.940 --> 01:30:06.940]  Just read it. Just go through it.
[01:30:06.940 --> 01:30:21.940]  The reason being is that the penal code was enacted one statute, one criminal statute at a time,
[01:30:21.940 --> 01:30:26.940]  and they weren't always enacted in chronological order.
[01:30:26.940 --> 01:30:29.940]  They were enacted whenever they became important.
[01:30:29.940 --> 01:30:33.940]  Somebody said, well, we need a statute for this, and they put in a statute.
[01:30:33.940 --> 01:30:36.940]  We need a statute for this. They put in another statute.
[01:30:36.940 --> 01:30:41.940]  They're scattered out through the public laws.
[01:30:41.940 --> 01:30:50.940]  In 1965, Texas said, this is a mess, and Vernon's annotated civil statute is not good enough.
[01:30:50.940 --> 01:30:56.940]  We need all of the criminal statutes codified into one code.
[01:30:56.940 --> 01:31:04.940]  They contracted to the publishing company to take all of these statutes and put it into one code.
[01:31:04.940 --> 01:31:10.940]  In the process, they tried to make the code ultimately readable,
[01:31:10.940 --> 01:31:17.940]  so they did some adjustments and changes in the language of the code
[01:31:17.940 --> 01:31:22.940]  to make it more readable and make it flow kind of like a big book.
[01:31:22.940 --> 01:31:35.940]  But in doing this, the legislature said that the code cannot substantively change the public law.
[01:31:35.940 --> 01:31:41.940]  It just recodifies it into this one book.
[01:31:41.940 --> 01:31:45.940]  You've got 50,000 statutes that the legislature passed.
[01:31:45.940 --> 01:31:51.940]  We go in there and pull out the ones that relate to crimes, and we put it in one book.
[01:31:51.940 --> 01:31:55.940]  First, you read that book. Don't necessarily try to understand the whole thing,
[01:31:55.940 --> 01:31:59.940]  because it doesn't make sense in direct order.
[01:31:59.940 --> 01:32:03.940]  It's not like a novel where one thing follows from the other.
[01:32:03.940 --> 01:32:09.940]  The laws are kind of scattered around once you've read through it.
[01:32:09.940 --> 01:32:12.940]  I'm going to interject for a second, Randy, before you go further.
[01:32:12.940 --> 01:32:16.940]  Always look at the very top of your code as well.
[01:32:16.940 --> 01:32:25.940]  Almost always, section.001, for instance, here in Texas of Title I, Paragraph I,
[01:32:25.940 --> 01:32:30.940]  tells you that this is a rewritten code with no substantive change,
[01:32:30.940 --> 01:32:35.940]  which is exactly what he's talking about now, meaning even though we've changed the words,
[01:32:35.940 --> 01:32:38.940]  the effect of the law has not been altered.
[01:32:38.940 --> 01:32:40.940]  It still applies as it has always applied.
[01:32:40.940 --> 01:32:45.940]  No matter how it reads, its effect has not changed.
[01:32:45.940 --> 01:32:48.940]  That's why you want to go back to that general code.
[01:32:48.940 --> 01:32:52.940]  The general code is what they would have revised it from.
[01:32:52.940 --> 01:32:56.940]  Yeah, and what I'm suggesting is don't go to the general code first.
[01:32:56.940 --> 01:32:58.940]  Well, general laws, I'm sorry.
[01:32:58.940 --> 01:33:04.940]  I'm sorry, the public laws as they were passed, because it's too confusing to take them out.
[01:33:04.940 --> 01:33:12.940]  And in the code, it cites the different acts that they are pulling in to draw it all together.
[01:33:12.940 --> 01:33:18.940]  Exactly, and just first read the whole thing through,
[01:33:18.940 --> 01:33:25.940]  because laws are passed all over the place at different times, and then you put it together in one code.
[01:33:25.940 --> 01:33:31.940]  So the code, unlike a novel, doesn't make sense in order.
[01:33:31.940 --> 01:33:36.940]  So read through it once, and then go back and read it again.
[01:33:36.940 --> 01:33:42.940]  And the second time you read it, as you're reading through the Code of Criminal Procedure
[01:33:42.940 --> 01:33:49.940]  and you come to Article 210 or 211 where it says that when a magistrate sits
[01:33:49.940 --> 01:33:54.940]  for the purpose of examining into a criminal action, that is an examining trial.
[01:33:54.940 --> 01:34:03.940]  The second time you read it, you'll say, oh, that's what Chapter 16 was talking about.
[01:34:03.940 --> 01:34:10.940]  You're reading Chapter 2, but it says this and it doesn't really make sense in Chapter 2
[01:34:10.940 --> 01:34:14.940]  until you know what's in Chapter 16.
[01:34:14.940 --> 01:34:21.940]  So the second time you read it, all of a sudden these pieces start falling into place.
[01:34:21.940 --> 01:34:25.940]  And the third time you read it, it gets even better.
[01:34:25.940 --> 01:34:31.940]  And if you've read the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure twice,
[01:34:31.940 --> 01:34:38.940]  you are way ahead of any attorney I have ever encountered.
[01:34:38.940 --> 01:34:42.940]  Yeah, now there's also something that Randy and I were talking about today.
[01:34:42.940 --> 01:34:48.940]  Here in Texas, the statute says one thing, but the federal courts have ruled the application
[01:34:48.940 --> 01:34:53.940]  of that statute has to mean something other than what it specifically reads.
[01:34:53.940 --> 01:35:02.940]  And that is that in a misdemeanor capious warrant issuance, the judge that issues the warrant
[01:35:02.940 --> 01:35:06.940]  cannot be the same judge that sits in at the trial.
[01:35:06.940 --> 01:35:08.940]  Oh, Craig, wait.
[01:35:08.940 --> 01:35:16.940]  Define capious as separate from a regular arrest warrant.
[01:35:16.940 --> 01:35:23.940]  Well, the capious warrant is what's issued on the initial probable cause finding.
[01:35:23.940 --> 01:35:29.940]  A capious warrant has no bail.
[01:35:29.940 --> 01:35:35.940]  You have to be brought before a magistrate first before you can be released.
[01:35:35.940 --> 01:35:39.940]  Other warrants can be issued and bail set with it.
[01:35:39.940 --> 01:35:44.940]  But on a capious, you have to be brought to the court.
[01:35:44.940 --> 01:35:50.940]  You can't be, whoever the arresting agency is, they have to arrest you and hold you in jail
[01:35:50.940 --> 01:35:56.940]  until you go before a magistrate or the court itself.
[01:35:56.940 --> 01:35:58.940]  Yeah, well, actually in the case of the capious,
[01:35:58.940 --> 01:36:03.940]  they are supposed to bring you before the magistrate any time of the day or night.
[01:36:03.940 --> 01:36:06.940]  From the moment you're arrested, they are to bring you before the judge,
[01:36:06.940 --> 01:36:09.940]  even if it's at his front door at home.
[01:36:09.940 --> 01:36:15.940]  Yes, and this is, for me, this is the thing that I go after.
[01:36:15.940 --> 01:36:22.940]  In all that I do, you know, I have an outcome in mind.
[01:36:22.940 --> 01:36:28.940]  And my outcome is to have all my public officials obey law.
[01:36:28.940 --> 01:36:31.940]  How do I get there?
[01:36:31.940 --> 01:36:42.940]  Get the police officer who does the arrest to take that person directly to the nearest magistrate.
[01:36:42.940 --> 01:36:46.940]  That's the first major fix.
[01:36:46.940 --> 01:36:52.940]  Get him to the nearest magistrate, and if the policeman has to explain himself immediately,
[01:36:52.940 --> 01:36:54.940]  he doesn't have time.
[01:36:54.940 --> 01:36:56.940]  And that principle is old as the hills, okay?
[01:36:56.940 --> 01:36:57.940]  Absolutely.
[01:36:57.940 --> 01:37:00.940]  That's, I mean, dating all the way back to the Magna Carta.
[01:37:00.940 --> 01:37:03.940]  15, 12, 15.
[01:37:03.940 --> 01:37:07.940]  And see, what Randy's procedure is is the one you need to be looking at.
[01:37:07.940 --> 01:37:12.940]  Get them on their procedure, because in the case of what you're talking about on a traffic ticket,
[01:37:12.940 --> 01:37:21.940]  9.9% of the time it is going to be completely out of step with what they're required to do versus what they do do.
[01:37:21.940 --> 01:37:25.940]  Yeah, and if you have read the Code of Criminal Procedure and Penal Code,
[01:37:25.940 --> 01:37:30.940]  now you'll read the two of them, read them twice, and you'll sit down and think about them.
[01:37:30.940 --> 01:37:34.940]  And you'll say, oh, I don't know.
[01:37:34.940 --> 01:37:43.940]  But when you get in the field, when you walk in front of this judge and the judge renders a ruling,
[01:37:43.940 --> 01:37:46.940]  this little warning buzzer will go off in your mind.
[01:37:46.940 --> 01:37:48.940]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:37:48.940 --> 01:37:51.940]  I know something about that.
[01:37:51.940 --> 01:37:57.940]  And you may not have in your mind exactly where it is.
[01:37:57.940 --> 01:38:02.940]  You know, I quote statutes all the time, and people hear me quoting all these statutes,
[01:38:02.940 --> 01:38:06.940]  and they think I have memorized the Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:38:06.940 --> 01:38:08.940]  Not true.
[01:38:08.940 --> 01:38:13.940]  I can count the statutes I quote on two hands.
[01:38:13.940 --> 01:38:17.940]  The rest of them I don't have in my head.
[01:38:17.940 --> 01:38:20.940]  There are only a few that really stand out.
[01:38:20.940 --> 01:38:25.940]  And when I start quoting them, because I got about ten of them,
[01:38:25.940 --> 01:38:28.940]  it sounds like I know the whole thing.
[01:38:28.940 --> 01:38:29.940]  I don't.
[01:38:29.940 --> 01:38:31.940]  I don't need to.
[01:38:31.940 --> 01:38:36.940]  And if you have read the Code twice, you go before the court,
[01:38:36.940 --> 01:38:39.940]  and they will not be able to trip you up.
[01:38:39.940 --> 01:38:41.940]  I went to Pennsylvania.
[01:38:41.940 --> 01:38:42.940]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:38:42.940 --> 01:38:43.940]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:38:43.940 --> 01:38:45.940]  I'm sorry to interrupt, but all the stories, Randy,
[01:38:45.940 --> 01:38:48.940]  we're running out of time, and we have a bazillion callers.
[01:38:48.940 --> 01:38:49.940]  Yes, we do.
[01:38:49.940 --> 01:38:50.940]  Okay.
[01:38:50.940 --> 01:38:51.940]  I think we've beaten this to death.
[01:38:51.940 --> 01:38:54.940]  Maybe we should decide right now if we're going to go into overtime mode
[01:38:54.940 --> 01:38:57.940]  just for the sake that people have been holding for a long time.
[01:38:57.940 --> 01:38:58.940]  It's okay for me.
[01:38:58.940 --> 01:38:59.940]  Yeah, it's good for me, too.
[01:38:59.940 --> 01:39:04.940]  Okay, so listeners, callers, if you're listening on AM and FM stations,
[01:39:04.940 --> 01:39:10.940]  you'll need to switch over and pull our Internet stream off of ruleoflawradio.com
[01:39:10.940 --> 01:39:14.940]  when we go into overtime mode after midnight.
[01:39:14.940 --> 01:39:17.940]  But we will take everyone's calls, so just stay on the line,
[01:39:17.940 --> 01:39:20.940]  and we will get to you.
[01:39:20.940 --> 01:39:24.940]  This is my pet place, so this is what I do.
[01:39:24.940 --> 01:39:27.940]  Four hours just isn't enough on Friday night, it would seem.
[01:39:27.940 --> 01:39:30.940]  I could talk eight hours on this.
[01:39:30.940 --> 01:39:34.940]  Yeah, but back to your original stuff, that's what you've got to do.
[01:39:34.940 --> 01:39:36.940]  If you don't know what the elements are,
[01:39:36.940 --> 01:39:39.940]  then you don't know exactly how you're being charged,
[01:39:39.940 --> 01:39:43.940]  so you won't know where to go to find the rules for their procedure.
[01:39:43.940 --> 01:39:45.940]  You've got to get that down.
[01:39:45.940 --> 01:39:48.940]  Without the elements, you won't know.
[01:39:48.940 --> 01:39:53.940]  Let me do this quickly so it'll make sense why the elements are so important.
[01:39:53.940 --> 01:39:54.940]  I had a guy call me.
[01:39:54.940 --> 01:39:58.940]  He got a ticket for failure to yield right of way.
[01:39:58.940 --> 01:40:01.940]  He called me about it, and I said, okay, what are the elements?
[01:40:01.940 --> 01:40:04.940]  He said, well, I don't know.
[01:40:04.940 --> 01:40:06.940]  And this was someone who wrote legal documents.
[01:40:06.940 --> 01:40:09.940]  He was pretty good, and I thought that was astounding.
[01:40:09.940 --> 01:40:11.940]  I said, well, go read the code.
[01:40:11.940 --> 01:40:17.940]  He read it, he came back to me, he called me back laughing, and he read me the code.
[01:40:17.940 --> 01:40:27.940]  He said, it is a misdemeanor to fail to yield right of way while exiting an alley.
[01:40:27.940 --> 01:40:29.940]  I said, okay, cool.
[01:40:29.940 --> 01:40:31.940]  Read me the next paragraph.
[01:40:31.940 --> 01:40:35.940]  He said, there is no next paragraph.
[01:40:35.940 --> 01:40:40.940]  I said, when you got this ticket, were you exiting an alley?
[01:40:40.940 --> 01:40:48.940]  Okay, anybody from Texas out there, if you got a ticket for failure to yield right of way,
[01:40:48.940 --> 01:40:55.940]  would you think that it only applies to exiting an alley?
[01:40:55.940 --> 01:40:58.940]  It does.
[01:40:58.940 --> 01:41:02.940]  If you got a ticket for failure to yield right of way, for really failure to yield right of way,
[01:41:02.940 --> 01:41:05.940]  anywhere else, it didn't apply.
[01:41:05.940 --> 01:41:10.940]  And this goes back to what Eddie says, read the code.
[01:41:10.940 --> 01:41:13.940]  You think you know what it means?
[01:41:13.940 --> 01:41:14.940]  Maybe.
[01:41:14.940 --> 01:41:16.940]  Read it.
[01:41:16.940 --> 01:41:19.940]  The attorneys never do.
[01:41:19.940 --> 01:41:24.940]  Yeah, and I can guarantee you, I don't care what word you see in that statute,
[01:41:24.940 --> 01:41:32.940]  don't believe you know what it means until you have thoroughly researched that word within the code itself.
[01:41:32.940 --> 01:41:37.940]  I don't care if you know it nine ways from Sunday the way you use it every day.
[01:41:37.940 --> 01:41:40.940]  If they're using it, it will be different.
[01:41:40.940 --> 01:41:42.940]  Bet on it.
[01:41:42.940 --> 01:41:52.940]  And when he says this, you're thinking, holy crap, I'm going to have to look up every single word I see?
[01:41:52.940 --> 01:41:54.940]  Yeah, you need to look it up at least once.
[01:41:54.940 --> 01:42:01.940]  Well, a lot of times, there's a set of definitions at the beginning of the code.
[01:42:01.940 --> 01:42:05.940]  You don't have to go too far most of the time.
[01:42:05.940 --> 01:42:07.940]  You need to look up more than that.
[01:42:07.940 --> 01:42:15.940]  Oh, I know you have to look up more than that, but I'm just making a point that a lot of it is right there at the beginning of the code.
[01:42:15.940 --> 01:42:18.940]  You don't have to go and look up every single thing.
[01:42:18.940 --> 01:42:21.940]  Yes, and that's the definition that counts.
[01:42:21.940 --> 01:42:24.940]  Yeah, but remember, there is a scope.
[01:42:24.940 --> 01:42:27.940]  Read the definition section carefully.
[01:42:27.940 --> 01:42:35.940]  If it says, in this chapter, these words mean, the words apply only to that specific chapter.
[01:42:35.940 --> 01:42:36.940]  That's right.
[01:42:36.940 --> 01:42:37.940]  All right.
[01:42:37.940 --> 01:42:43.940]  If it says, within this section, this word means, it only applies to that specific section.
[01:42:43.940 --> 01:42:52.940]  That's why you need to see if there is a co-construction act part that has a general definition that applies across the board
[01:42:52.940 --> 01:43:03.940]  when a particular section, chapter, title, subtitle does not contain a definition for that word, because then the general definition applies.
[01:43:03.940 --> 01:43:04.940]  Okay.
[01:43:04.940 --> 01:43:09.940]  You go from a definition within the chapter or within the statute.
[01:43:09.940 --> 01:43:13.940]  That would trump the general definition.
[01:43:13.940 --> 01:43:24.940]  It's section, sub-chapter, chapter, subtitle, title, entire title itself, entire code rather.
[01:43:24.940 --> 01:43:29.940]  That's the hierarchy of the priority.
[01:43:29.940 --> 01:43:30.940]  Excellent.
[01:43:30.940 --> 01:43:32.940]  Yeah, then you go to the co-construction.
[01:43:32.940 --> 01:43:38.940]  In all of the codes, unless it's defined in one of those codes, this code applies.
[01:43:38.940 --> 01:43:45.940]  And then from there, if it's not defined here, then you back up to the common meaning.
[01:43:45.940 --> 01:43:47.940]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[01:43:47.940 --> 01:43:48.940]  We're going to break.
[01:43:48.940 --> 01:43:50.940]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:50.940 --> 01:43:53.940]  We've got one more segment before midnight, and then we're going to go into overtime mode.
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[01:47:00.940 --> 01:47:20.940]  Definitions, once you've read the code twice, in the Code Construction Act, if it's not in either one of those, and it goes to the common meaning of the term,
[01:47:20.940 --> 01:47:25.940]  Eddie, explain the common meaning of the term. It's not what we think it is.
[01:47:25.940 --> 01:47:41.940]  No, when the statute says that any word not defined shall be construed as having its common meaning, they always mean its meaning as used in law, which means your next reference is a law dictionary.
[01:47:41.940 --> 01:47:52.940]  Now remember, states usually use blacks for their definitions. The Supreme Court uses only the 1856 version of Bouviers.
[01:47:52.940 --> 01:48:05.940]  So if you really want to make sure you've got an accurate definition for a word, go straight to Bouviers, because the state's going to have a hard time arguing that, well, you can't use that definition, it's not what black says.
[01:48:05.940 --> 01:48:10.940]  Yeah, well, it's what the highest court in the land says it means, so that's what we're going with.
[01:48:10.940 --> 01:48:15.940]  There is a hierarchy to those, just like there is to the statute definitions themselves.
[01:48:15.940 --> 01:48:23.940]  So just be aware, common usage means as it's used in law, not in Webster's.
[01:48:23.940 --> 01:48:33.940]  Yes, and I know on the surface just listening to this, it sounds incredibly daunting.
[01:48:33.940 --> 01:48:45.940]  But it's not near as hard as it appears, because the terms we need to look up are not so extensive as we think.
[01:48:45.940 --> 01:48:54.940]  But we do need to look them up, and the thing about looking them up is the attorneys never do, and for the most part they don't have a clue.
[01:48:54.940 --> 01:49:04.940]  I have an example. Question. What does the mean?
[01:49:04.940 --> 01:49:09.940]  We use this term all the time. What does it mean?
[01:49:09.940 --> 01:49:14.940]  I once looked it up, and I was surprised.
[01:49:14.940 --> 01:49:29.940]  It means one previously mentioned, and once I looked it up, and then when I read the term, it had a lot more meaning to me.
[01:49:29.940 --> 01:49:35.940]  What does is mean? What does be mean?
[01:49:35.940 --> 01:49:41.940]  Everybody needs to look those up at least once.
[01:49:41.940 --> 01:49:50.940]  It only takes once, and then we have it. We need to do that in adulthood.
[01:49:50.940 --> 01:49:59.940]  When we're going to school and learning grammar and Dick and Jane, we're really crowded with a lot of information.
[01:49:59.940 --> 01:50:07.940]  Once we grow up, we think we know what these terms mean, but maybe we do it and maybe we don't.
[01:50:07.940 --> 01:50:16.940]  We'll tell you in Texas statutes there are three terms in a traffic case you always want to be aware of.
[01:50:16.940 --> 01:50:26.940]  Person, highway, operate. The fourth one in every single case is motor vehicle.
[01:50:26.940 --> 01:50:31.940]  Do not assume that you are a person or an individual.
[01:50:31.940 --> 01:50:45.940]  Yes, I am the officer. I observed the defendant operating a motor vehicle in excess of the posted speed limit.
[01:50:45.940 --> 01:50:47.940]  Wait a minute.
[01:50:47.940 --> 01:50:54.940]  Objection. Implies facts and not in evidence.
[01:50:54.940 --> 01:50:57.940]  Conclusion on the part of the officer.
[01:50:57.940 --> 01:51:00.940]  Eddie, how did I get there?
[01:51:00.940 --> 01:51:05.940]  He got there by making the statement that the defendant was operating.
[01:51:05.940 --> 01:51:08.940]  Operating is a term of commerce.
[01:51:08.940 --> 01:51:14.940]  What facts and what evidence is the officer basing the idea that you were engaged in commerce?
[01:51:14.940 --> 01:51:17.940]  Fact number two, the posted speed limit.
[01:51:17.940 --> 01:51:23.940]  What evidence does he have introduced that the speed limit applies to what you were in?
[01:51:23.940 --> 01:51:31.940]  And number three, if it said motor vehicle, that's a commercial use vehicle, what facts and evidence is the officer relying on
[01:51:31.940 --> 01:51:35.940]  to state that you were engaged in commerce in your vehicle?
[01:51:35.940 --> 01:51:41.940]  Do not make assumptions.
[01:51:41.940 --> 01:51:42.940]  All right, listen.
[01:51:42.940 --> 01:51:44.940]  I don't know if you all are looking at the clock.
[01:51:44.940 --> 01:51:50.940]  We've got six minutes off of the show while we're on the air, on the mic.
[01:51:50.940 --> 01:51:56.940]  Yeah, but the thing is we've got callers that have been holding for two hours, and they deserve to be on the air.
[01:51:56.940 --> 01:51:57.940]  It's not fair.
[01:51:57.940 --> 01:51:59.940]  I think we've made our point here of that.
[01:51:59.940 --> 01:52:01.940]  Does that help you enough to get you started?
[01:52:01.940 --> 01:52:02.940]  It does.
[01:52:02.940 --> 01:52:06.940]  And really to the next call I can get on the line with you guys is now that I understand what I need to look up
[01:52:06.940 --> 01:52:13.940]  and understand as a line of attack, my next thing would be to understand how to present in court my defense
[01:52:13.940 --> 01:52:20.940]  and whether or not it needs to be written or at what point, if at all, I would want to file criminal charges for what it is
[01:52:20.940 --> 01:52:23.940]  that they're charging me with, if it's illegal for them to do so.
[01:52:23.940 --> 01:52:29.940]  And then because the thing of it is just from calls I've listened to seriously is understanding when I get to the point
[01:52:29.940 --> 01:52:34.940]  where I'm in front of the judge and I present my case and my defense, it's going to play a bunch of word games with me,
[01:52:34.940 --> 01:52:39.940]  and it's finding guilty, bam, it is the gavel before I even know what happened.
[01:52:39.940 --> 01:52:45.940]  And the next point to that would also be where, you know, I know that they have all these traffic defense lawyers
[01:52:45.940 --> 01:52:51.940]  that they'll go get you off the hook for simply going down the line of, you know, checking off the box
[01:52:51.940 --> 01:52:56.940]  if the officer can prove that he had his radar done calibrated that month.
[01:52:56.940 --> 01:53:03.940]  And if he didn't, okay, I get off the ticket, but like this traffic ticket clinic guys around here is what they do
[01:53:03.940 --> 01:53:06.940]  is they'll go through this list to find a way to get you off.
[01:53:06.940 --> 01:53:11.940]  But you still get charged the court fees, which is usually the price of the ticket anyway.
[01:53:11.940 --> 01:53:15.940]  So I guess on the next call what I'd like to get at is those points, you know,
[01:53:15.940 --> 01:53:21.940]  that how I'm going to actually walk in the court protocol and say this is my defense, this is how I got there,
[01:53:21.940 --> 01:53:28.940]  and to avoid a word game and to still get slammed with the court fees and the charges on the ticket anyway.
[01:53:28.940 --> 01:53:29.940]  Okay. Okay.
[01:53:29.940 --> 01:53:31.940]  What we've just addressed will handle that for you.
[01:53:31.940 --> 01:53:36.940]  That's why the elements of the charge are so necessary for you to know,
[01:53:36.940 --> 01:53:40.940]  because if the cop swore that the elements of the charge are 100 percent correct
[01:53:40.940 --> 01:53:44.940]  and you can prove they are not, the cop's committed aggravated perjury
[01:53:44.940 --> 01:53:48.940]  because he has made a conclusion of law he is not qualified to make
[01:53:48.940 --> 01:53:52.940]  and he has made a false statement in a government record while doing it.
[01:53:52.940 --> 01:53:55.940]  That's why you need to know the elements.
[01:53:55.940 --> 01:53:57.940]  You can hit the cop with aggravated perjury.
[01:53:57.940 --> 01:54:02.940]  If you hit the cop with aggravated perjury, you disqualify him as a witness for the state.
[01:54:02.940 --> 01:54:11.940]  If he cannot testify for the state, his evidence in the form of the ticket is also disqualified, as is his complaint.
[01:54:11.940 --> 01:54:15.940]  Therefore, you press your criminal charges, you get him bent over the barrel,
[01:54:15.940 --> 01:54:20.940]  and then you take it to him with the garden hose.
[01:54:20.940 --> 01:54:22.940]  Understood.
[01:54:22.940 --> 01:54:24.940]  I will do my research on the next call.
[01:54:24.940 --> 01:54:29.940]  I guess in more specific detail on the finer points of it, but thank you very much.
[01:54:29.940 --> 01:54:30.940]  All right, thanks.
[01:54:30.940 --> 01:54:31.940]  You're welcome.
[01:54:31.940 --> 01:54:32.940]  Thanks, John.
[01:54:32.940 --> 01:54:34.940]  All right, we're going to go now to Nolan in North Carolina.
[01:54:34.940 --> 01:54:36.940]  He's been holding for about two hours.
[01:54:36.940 --> 01:54:38.940]  Thank you, Nolan, for waiting so long.
[01:54:38.940 --> 01:54:43.940]  We did also have Christopher from Illinois, who also was holding for almost three hours.
[01:54:43.940 --> 01:54:47.940]  Christopher, if you call back in, we'll take you right after Nolan.
[01:54:47.940 --> 01:54:50.940]  What is your question, Nolan?
[01:54:50.940 --> 01:54:55.940]  I'm pretty much on the same page as this caller before me.
[01:54:55.940 --> 01:55:04.940]  My question, I want to try to continue with the process, but I'm in North Carolina,
[01:55:04.940 --> 01:55:12.940]  and I understand Code of Criminal Procedure, I understand penal code,
[01:55:12.940 --> 01:55:16.940]  but when I go look for North Carolina...
[01:55:16.940 --> 01:55:23.940]  Look in Chapter 15 of the North Carolina General Statutes.
[01:55:23.940 --> 01:55:27.940]  The other thing for the caller is to be aware of what type of charge
[01:55:27.940 --> 01:55:30.940]  a traffic ticket is in your own state.
[01:55:30.940 --> 01:55:35.940]  It won't be any good to look in Code of Criminal Procedure if it's a civil charge.
[01:55:35.940 --> 01:55:45.940]  Okay, Nolan, as I remember, you have an issue with family court?
[01:55:45.940 --> 01:55:48.940]  No, that's Daniel.
[01:55:48.940 --> 01:55:49.940]  Oh, okay.
[01:55:49.940 --> 01:55:51.940]  I know what you're talking about.
[01:55:51.940 --> 01:55:58.940]  No, I got the driving without license and the probation violation situation.
[01:55:58.940 --> 01:56:03.940]  Okay, then you're in the right place.
[01:56:03.940 --> 01:56:04.940]  Eddie's your guy.
[01:56:04.940 --> 01:56:08.940]  Driving without a license, this goes to the right to travel.
[01:56:08.940 --> 01:56:14.940]  And I know the general statutes for the penal code and criminal code,
[01:56:14.940 --> 01:56:20.940]  14 and 15 in general statutes in North Carolina, 14 is penal,
[01:56:20.940 --> 01:56:25.940]  15 is criminal code, criminal procedure code,
[01:56:25.940 --> 01:56:29.940]  but I don't know what the transportation code is in North Carolina.
[01:56:29.940 --> 01:56:32.940]  Do you know what that is?
[01:56:32.940 --> 01:56:38.940]  No, give me just a second and I'll find out.
[01:56:38.940 --> 01:56:44.940]  So what charges are against you?
[01:56:44.940 --> 01:56:47.940]  They do a little driving without license.
[01:56:47.940 --> 01:56:49.940]  Okay, driving without license, what else?
[01:56:49.940 --> 01:56:55.940]  And those two charges got me on the probation.
[01:56:55.940 --> 01:57:02.940]  And then I got another driving without license for a seat.
[01:57:02.940 --> 01:57:05.940]  I got pulled over for a seat belt.
[01:57:05.940 --> 01:57:10.940]  I got pulled out of the issue, driving without license and the seat belt,
[01:57:10.940 --> 01:57:17.940]  and that violated my probation on and on and on.
[01:57:17.940 --> 01:57:20.940]  Okay, were you arrested in any of these?
[01:57:20.940 --> 01:57:23.940]  Yes.
[01:57:23.940 --> 01:57:26.940]  Okay, you were arrested and you were taken before a magistrate.
[01:57:26.940 --> 01:57:30.940]  In North Carolina, they actually bring people before a magistrate.
[01:57:30.940 --> 01:57:32.940]  Yeah, it's in the jail.
[01:57:32.940 --> 01:57:42.940]  However, the arresting officer presents a criminal accusation
[01:57:42.940 --> 01:57:46.940]  and statement of probable cause to the magistrate.
[01:57:46.940 --> 01:57:52.940]  And then the magistrate makes a determination of probable cause
[01:57:52.940 --> 01:58:01.940]  and gives the documents back to the arresting officer.
[01:58:01.940 --> 01:58:05.940]  They don't send them to court like they're required to.
[01:58:05.940 --> 01:58:08.940]  Chapter 20.
[01:58:08.940 --> 01:58:11.940]  Is transportation code in North Carolina?
[01:58:11.940 --> 01:58:12.940]  Motor vehicles.
[01:58:12.940 --> 01:58:14.940]  Now transportation.
[01:58:14.940 --> 01:58:16.940]  Okay, wait a minute guys, wait a minute guys.
[01:58:16.940 --> 01:58:18.940]  We're going off the air.
[01:58:18.940 --> 01:58:21.940]  We have to make the transition because of the affiliates.
[01:58:21.940 --> 01:58:25.940]  Nolan will continue this on the other side.
[01:58:25.940 --> 01:58:28.940]  Other callers that are holding, stay tight.
[01:58:28.940 --> 01:58:33.940]  Today John Gale Freeman will take your calls after midnight
[01:58:33.940 --> 01:58:36.940]  in our after hours segment.
[01:58:36.940 --> 01:58:37.940]  We'll be right back.
[01:58:37.940 --> 01:58:42.940]  Extended version of rule of law Friday night.
[01:58:42.940 --> 01:58:59.940]  I beg you, please, treat me good.
[01:58:59.940 --> 01:59:27.940]  Thank you.
[01:59:27.940 --> 01:59:54.940]  Thank you.
[01:59:57.940 --> 01:59:59.940]  Thank you.