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[00:00.000 --> 00:02.120]  What you wanna do?
[00:02.120 --> 00:03.120]  Yeah.
[00:03.120 --> 00:06.620]  Bad boys, bad boys.
[00:06.620 --> 00:10.420]  What you gonna do?
[00:10.420 --> 00:17.540]  What you gonna do w-when Sheriff John Brown come see you?
[00:17.540 --> 00:22.000]  Tell me, what you wanna do?
[00:22.000 --> 00:24.280]  What you gonna do?
[00:24.280 --> 00:25.280]  Yeah.
[00:25.280 --> 00:28.400]  Bad boys, bad boys.
[00:28.400 --> 00:29.400]  What you gonna do?
[00:29.400 --> 00:31.900]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:31.900 --> 00:33.400]  Bad boys, bad boys
[00:33.400 --> 00:34.900]  Whatcha gonna do?
[00:34.900 --> 00:37.400]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:37.400 --> 00:40.400]  When you were eight and you had bad traits
[00:40.400 --> 00:42.900]  You go to school and learn the golden rule
[00:42.900 --> 00:45.900]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[00:45.900 --> 00:48.400]  If you get hot then you must get cool
[00:48.400 --> 00:49.900]  Bad boys, bad boys
[00:49.900 --> 00:51.400]  Whatcha gonna do?
[00:51.400 --> 00:53.900]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:53.900 --> 00:55.400]  Bad boys, bad boys
[00:55.400 --> 00:56.900]  Whatcha gonna do?
[00:56.900 --> 00:59.400]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:59.400 --> 01:00.900]  You chuck it on that one
[01:00.900 --> 01:02.400]  You chuck it on this one
[01:02.400 --> 01:03.400]  You chuck it on your mother
[01:03.400 --> 01:05.400]  And you chuck it on your father
[01:05.400 --> 01:05.900]  You chuck it on your brother
[01:05.900 --> 01:08.400]  And you chuck it on your sister
[01:08.400 --> 01:08.900]  You chuck it on that one
[01:08.900 --> 01:09.900]  And you chuck it on me
[01:09.900 --> 01:11.400]  Bad boys, bad boys
[01:11.900 --> 01:13.400]  Whatcha gonna do?
[01:13.400 --> 01:16.400]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[01:16.400 --> 01:18.400]  Bad boys, bad boys
[01:18.400 --> 01:19.400]  Whatcha gonna do?
[01:19.400 --> 01:21.400]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[01:21.400 --> 01:23.900]  Okay
[01:23.900 --> 01:29.660]  Howdy, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio on this Thursday, the 31st day
[01:29.660 --> 01:32.660]  of July 2025.
[01:32.660 --> 01:36.780]  Grand Jury, will you tell us about that?
[01:36.780 --> 01:43.060]  Well, yeah, there's not a whole exciting good ending to tell yet, but I'm kind of in limbo
[01:43.060 --> 01:45.580]  waiting in suspense to see what happens.
[01:45.580 --> 01:55.420]  But yeah, we wanted to get to a grand jury because this is in Florida, and the charges
[01:55.420 --> 01:59.180]  are sexual battery against a five-year-old.
[01:59.180 --> 02:06.860]  So the way it's codified is under 12.
[02:06.860 --> 02:15.900]  And so Florida has that particular crime set up so that it can only commence by indictment
[02:15.900 --> 02:16.900]  of the grand jury.
[02:16.900 --> 02:19.120]  The prosecutor can't deal with it.
[02:19.120 --> 02:20.940]  And I guess they weren't really familiar with that.
[02:20.940 --> 02:28.060]  They tried to deal with it at first, and then they ran out of time to get their, you know,
[02:28.060 --> 02:32.460]  they thought they could do an indictment or an information, but then they found out too
[02:33.460 --> 02:34.460]  late.
[02:34.460 --> 02:40.100]  Honestly, what I think happened was they were coming up on election time and they were very
[02:40.100 --> 02:46.980]  focused on how they looked in the debates and everything instead of staying focused
[02:46.980 --> 02:47.980]  on the paperwork.
[02:47.980 --> 02:55.980]  But yeah, Florida has this particular crime set up so that it can only commence via the
[02:55.980 --> 02:56.980]  grand jury.
[02:56.980 --> 02:58.220]  You have to get an indictment.
[02:58.220 --> 03:03.820]  You can't just, you know, the prosecutor drawing up an information is not good enough.
[03:03.820 --> 03:12.060]  Plus the family did not even know that they needed to get some admissible evidence, like
[03:12.060 --> 03:15.760]  a sworn complaint to help, you know, get the ball rolling, something that can be given
[03:15.760 --> 03:17.940]  to the grand jury.
[03:17.940 --> 03:20.860]  Nobody told them.
[03:20.860 --> 03:25.860]  They hired an attorney and he said he's going to handle the criminal prosecution, paid him
[03:25.940 --> 03:32.220]  $32,000 and they got this, some kind of Kickstarter type something or other to try to get, not
[03:32.220 --> 03:41.300]  Kickstarter, but some crowdfunding deal to try to get a lot more because he needs more.
[03:41.300 --> 03:46.620]  He didn't even tell them, sorry, I'm not really authorized to prosecute in the name of the
[03:46.620 --> 03:47.620]  state of Florida.
[03:47.620 --> 03:53.420]  It was going to have to be a grand jury and you just need to do a sworn complaint.
[03:53.420 --> 04:01.980]  So he took their money and told them that he's really trying and what he needs from
[04:01.980 --> 04:08.020]  them is, you know, if you can gather up some more documents.
[04:08.020 --> 04:14.740]  So they're trying, you know, they go ahead, the family's been trying to scrape up well.
[04:14.740 --> 04:21.260]  We took our daughter to the child, the therapy, the play therapy stuff, and here's their report
[04:21.260 --> 04:27.260]  and here's this and here's that and the police investigated and here's this and here's that.
[04:27.260 --> 04:32.340]  Of course, all that's hearsay until they get something that's admissible evidence.
[04:32.340 --> 04:35.140]  Well, that's enough for an indictment.
[04:35.140 --> 04:42.460]  No, yeah, the hearsay, but they didn't have, none of it was turned over to the grand jury.
[04:42.460 --> 04:52.780]  Instead, all they had was this high-paid lawyer making letters that they never did
[04:52.780 --> 04:53.780]  actually see.
[04:53.780 --> 04:58.740]  So who knows if he even wrote letters, but he says, he says, I've been pushing on the
[04:58.740 --> 05:06.260]  prosecutor to try to get them to take this case up and well, come to find out they never
[05:06.260 --> 05:08.780]  had done any sworn complaint and nobody told him.
[05:09.100 --> 05:12.940]  Looks like this high-paid lawyer didn't even know.
[05:12.940 --> 05:15.660]  How can that be?
[05:15.660 --> 05:18.700]  Is it possible that a lawyer's ignorant?
[05:18.700 --> 05:20.180]  Yeah, incompetent.
[05:20.180 --> 05:26.540]  I mean, I would hesitate to say such a such a thing that could even be possible in these
[05:26.540 --> 05:29.260]  here United States of America.
[05:29.260 --> 05:35.980]  But that's what it looks like anyway, so we desperate people who didn't know any better.
[05:36.180 --> 05:38.380]  Are they ready to sue this lawyer?
[05:38.380 --> 05:44.020]  Well, they probably will when they see what happens from going to the grand jury.
[05:44.020 --> 05:48.500]  All they had to do was get a sworn complaint and put it in the hands of the prosecutor
[05:48.500 --> 05:51.340]  and tell it it's addressed to the grand jury.
[05:51.340 --> 05:57.660]  But like you said, at the prosecutor's address, that's how we go to the grand jury, is we
[05:57.660 --> 06:04.980]  address things to the grand jury, but we put the mailing address as the prosecutor's office.
[06:04.980 --> 06:07.580]  And so in this case, that's what I did.
[06:07.580 --> 06:14.500]  I told him to do that and prosecutor got it and said that he's going to or she it's an
[06:14.500 --> 06:22.660]  assistant of the prosecutor prosecutor that was addressed to the grand jury and the prosecutor
[06:22.660 --> 06:23.660]  got it.
[06:23.660 --> 06:24.660]  Right.
[06:24.660 --> 06:26.660]  Which, you know, that's how it always happens.
[06:26.660 --> 06:28.220]  I want to know how that happens.
[06:28.220 --> 06:30.260]  No, that's not how it happens.
[06:30.300 --> 06:37.580]  What happens is a piece of mail is given to the person it's mailed to.
[06:37.580 --> 06:44.820]  I had a federal judge and a federal clerk in Fort Worth here intercept my communication
[06:44.820 --> 06:53.060]  to the grand jury and misdirected it the way I read it, tampering with the mail.
[06:53.060 --> 06:54.540]  That's a federal crime.
[06:54.540 --> 06:55.540]  Yep.
[06:55.540 --> 06:59.940]  Well, this prosecutor is not trying to keep it from the grand jury.
[06:59.940 --> 07:03.700]  This prosecutor is trying to facilitate giving it to the grand jury.
[07:03.700 --> 07:09.140]  The judge opened the mail that was addressed to the grand jury.
[07:09.140 --> 07:13.660]  Yeah, I agree with you, really had no business doing that.
[07:13.660 --> 07:21.860]  Our founders put grand juries in place to prevent prosecutors from determining who gets
[07:21.860 --> 07:24.100]  prosecuted and who doesn't.
[07:24.100 --> 07:25.100]  I agree.
[07:25.100 --> 07:27.980]  So, for a prosecutor to intercept a community...
[07:28.020 --> 07:29.500]  Didn't even open the mail.
[07:29.500 --> 07:38.260]  Should just look at it and say, oh, this says grand jury foreman and just hand it off, sealed.
[07:38.260 --> 07:40.180]  That's exactly what they should do.
[07:40.180 --> 07:43.580]  I got a prosecutor here I'll probably have to...
[07:43.580 --> 07:48.020]  He's a good candidate for me to hammer because everybody hates this guy.
[07:48.020 --> 07:49.020]  He's really a turd.
[07:49.020 --> 07:52.020]  Can I say turd?
[07:52.020 --> 07:55.020]  Yeah, I believe so.
[07:55.060 --> 08:02.060]  That's a word I haven't heard in a good while.
[08:02.060 --> 08:04.420]  Nobody likes this guy.
[08:04.420 --> 08:07.020]  The county judge hates him.
[08:07.020 --> 08:08.940]  The sheriff hates him.
[08:08.940 --> 08:13.900]  I haven't heard how the district judge feels about him, but I don't think he likes him
[08:13.900 --> 08:14.900]  either.
[08:14.900 --> 08:17.180]  The guy's just a real...
[08:17.180 --> 08:18.860]  He can't make it as a lawyer.
[08:18.860 --> 08:24.580]  That's why he stays a prosecutor and he's a real scoundrel.
[08:25.140 --> 08:32.980]  So, that is the biggest deal of all the big deals is grand juries.
[08:32.980 --> 08:35.780]  We get grand juries opened.
[08:35.780 --> 08:39.060]  Now we've got something to work with.
[08:39.060 --> 08:43.460]  Now we've got something that gets their attention.
[08:43.460 --> 08:52.020]  Well, my thought for this family is to make a records request tomorrow and get that in
[08:52.020 --> 08:59.060]  there for the minutes of the grand jury to see what they've been, which cases they gave
[08:59.060 --> 09:02.060]  a true bill on and no bill.
[09:02.060 --> 09:04.780]  How does that work in Florida?
[09:04.780 --> 09:10.660]  In Texas, it directs the foreman with a quorum of the grand jury present to come before the
[09:10.660 --> 09:15.980]  court of the clerk and read the indictment into the record and the clerk shall make notes
[09:15.980 --> 09:17.300]  in the minutes of the court.
[09:17.300 --> 09:18.300]  Yeah.
[09:18.300 --> 09:20.500]  It seems like that's a common pattern.
[09:20.500 --> 09:24.780]  I haven't looked at Florida, but I hope it's like the ones I've seen.
[09:24.780 --> 09:27.300]  Yeah, it would seem that way.
[09:27.300 --> 09:30.500]  That would be an appropriate way of doing it.
[09:30.500 --> 09:36.500]  If that's the case, then you want to see those minutes.
[09:36.500 --> 09:39.940]  Exactly.
[09:39.940 --> 09:49.420]  And the problem I have in Texas is they only require the foreman to read the indictments
[09:49.660 --> 09:50.660]  into the record.
[09:50.660 --> 09:51.660]  Right.
[09:51.660 --> 09:56.820]  So if they didn't do a true bill, if they did a no bill, then they don't have to record
[09:56.820 --> 09:57.820]  it.
[09:57.820 --> 09:58.820]  Yeah, it just disappears.
[09:58.820 --> 09:59.820]  Yeah.
[09:59.820 --> 10:07.060]  But then you have the prosecutor, you can request from the prosecutor's office the indication
[10:07.060 --> 10:11.900]  of what was submitted to them because he has records.
[10:11.900 --> 10:15.460]  Okay.
[10:15.460 --> 10:18.380]  I'm thinking through the code as I know them.
[10:18.380 --> 10:23.060]  If it's a public official, then the prosecutor has no discretion.
[10:23.060 --> 10:28.740]  Well, to take it to him, sure, but I'm just thinking in terms of what the prosecutor has
[10:28.740 --> 10:34.300]  records of, we get to ask for all of those records, any of them we feel like asking for,
[10:34.300 --> 10:35.300]  we can.
[10:35.300 --> 10:37.380]  And he has a record of what he submitted on which day.
[10:37.380 --> 10:38.380]  Yeah.
[10:38.380 --> 10:44.860]  You want to see a list of all complaints presented to the grand jury.
[10:44.860 --> 10:45.860]  Yeah.
[10:46.540 --> 10:50.740]  Trying to figure out how to ask that that would capture what we wanted.
[10:50.740 --> 10:53.660]  I think what you just said covers it just fine.
[10:53.660 --> 10:54.660]  So that's what I'll be doing tomorrow.
[10:54.660 --> 11:00.620]  I'm going to ask about that and see if they can show me, you know, has the case been presented
[11:00.620 --> 11:02.940]  yet.
[11:02.940 --> 11:08.780]  I'm thinking I would also like to put a conditional second request in there if it hasn't been
[11:08.780 --> 11:11.060]  submitted yet.
[11:11.060 --> 11:19.420]  Show me your records indicating a schedule when you have it slated for presentment.
[11:19.420 --> 11:31.220]  Okay, that would, we got to find a way to get into it because I've gotten to the point
[11:31.220 --> 11:34.660]  where that's really our only real tool.
[11:34.660 --> 11:41.300]  We can dance around with all this other stuff, but we can't get your grand jury door pried
[11:41.300 --> 11:42.300]  open.
[11:42.300 --> 11:44.340]  And we're not getting anywhere.
[11:44.340 --> 11:48.300]  Well, I told you what happened in Tarrant County, didn't I?
[11:48.300 --> 11:49.300]  No.
[11:49.300 --> 11:51.700]  Oh, do you want to turn the phone lines on?
[11:51.700 --> 11:53.060]  I did.
[11:53.060 --> 11:54.340]  Okay.
[11:54.340 --> 12:02.180]  So the phone number, if anybody wants to call in is 512-646-1984.
[12:02.980 --> 12:08.100]  Is my picture still hanging up in the grand jury room with a sign that says, if you see
[12:08.100 --> 12:11.220]  this person, all security, it used to be.
[12:11.220 --> 12:13.420]  I don't know about that.
[12:13.420 --> 12:16.020]  A friend of mine was a sheriff's deputy.
[12:16.020 --> 12:21.380]  A friend of mine's stepson was a sheriff's deputy and he got the grand jury duty and
[12:21.380 --> 12:25.140]  he asked Jim what my picture was doing hanging up in there.
[12:25.140 --> 12:28.980]  No, I haven't been in the grand jury room.
[12:28.980 --> 12:31.740]  I haven't been a grand juror over there in Tarrant County.
[12:31.740 --> 12:43.820]  What I did is I sent them a criminal complaint and it was against the prosecutor.
[12:43.820 --> 12:55.540]  And then when the prosecutor intercepted it, actually what happened was the grand jury
[12:55.540 --> 13:02.060]  sent me my postcard back and said, we declined to inquire into the matter.
[13:02.060 --> 13:10.340]  So then I sent another one to the other 11 jurors and it was against the grand jury foreman.
[13:10.340 --> 13:11.340]  Perfect.
[13:11.340 --> 13:18.020]  He swore he was going to inquire into all of these crimes and here he says he's declining
[13:18.020 --> 13:19.020]  to do so.
[13:19.020 --> 13:23.860]  So what happened with that?
[13:24.700 --> 13:25.700]  Well, it just ended right there.
[13:25.700 --> 13:26.700]  Nothing else happened.
[13:26.700 --> 13:34.780]  I think I got their attention, but I don't think they, I didn't push any farther.
[13:34.780 --> 13:35.780]  You know how it is.
[13:35.780 --> 13:36.780]  Yeah, I do.
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[13:39.580 --> 13:43.500]  You can only push so many ropes uphill at once.
[13:43.500 --> 13:44.500]  Exactly.
[13:44.500 --> 13:46.500]  All right.
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[16:04.380 --> 16:17.900]  Look what we've got Who we ask, the Christian
[16:17.900 --> 16:22.900]  Wonder what they hide They don't have the answer
[16:22.900 --> 16:27.900]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[16:27.900 --> 16:32.900]  Look what we've got How they don't have the answer
[16:33.420 --> 16:36.420]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[16:36.420 --> 16:39.420]  Look what we've got How they don't have the answer
[16:39.420 --> 16:42.420]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[16:42.420 --> 16:45.420]  Look what we've got How they don't have the answer
[16:45.420 --> 16:48.420]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[16:48.420 --> 16:51.420]  Look what we've got How they don't have the answer
[16:51.420 --> 16:54.420]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[16:54.420 --> 16:57.420]  Look what we've got How they don't have the answer
[16:57.420 --> 17:00.420]  Open up eyes Who we ask, the Christian
[17:01.420 --> 17:04.420]  Hey, glad to hear you're here with us.
[17:08.420 --> 17:11.420]  Glad you're here. I'm not hearing that you're here, but...
[17:15.420 --> 17:18.420]  Hey, do you have yourself muted, buddy?
[17:23.420 --> 17:29.420]  Well, shoot. I was glad to see his name popping up on here.
[17:29.420 --> 17:39.420]  Well, we'll just leave him unmuted in case he shows up or gets his sound working.
[17:40.420 --> 17:43.420]  I'll check it on him.
[17:43.420 --> 17:49.420]  Okay, now we're going to Yosef in Texas. Hello, Yosef.
[17:51.420 --> 17:53.420]  Well, can you hear me?
[17:53.420 --> 17:55.420]  Hey there, yes.
[17:55.420 --> 17:58.420]  All right. I just showed up...
[17:58.420 --> 18:03.420]  I actually have a few questions, but my new entertainment is showing up to listen to Randy walk off the cliffs.
[18:05.420 --> 18:10.420]  I didn't walk off the cliff, thank you very much. I dove off head first.
[18:11.420 --> 18:14.420]  And you do that every single time last Friday night.
[18:14.420 --> 18:18.420]  Brett, I've been hearing something that you've been saying, you and Randy, for a while.
[18:18.420 --> 18:25.420]  And I think you were saying there's a potentially for multiple, multiple things in your message.
[18:25.420 --> 18:28.420]  And I've only been picking up on one.
[18:28.420 --> 18:40.420]  And that one thing was that a municipal attorney and municipality is claims that they have the authority to represent the state of Texas.
[18:40.420 --> 18:47.420]  Or as the phrase goes from the Texas code of code of procedure, they get to be an attorney representing the state.
[18:47.420 --> 18:54.420]  But I thought that if they did not have an oath of office on file, that they could not do such a thing.
[18:54.420 --> 18:57.420]  Now, everything I've read proves that to be true.
[18:57.420 --> 19:01.420]  But I think there was a second part of the message that I've been missing all this time.
[19:01.420 --> 19:09.420]  And that is this. If statutory due process is not followed, in other words, in Texas, we don't...
[19:10.420 --> 19:24.420]  If the examining trial is not held and there is not a finding of probable cause, and then you have your actions corresponding to chapters 16, 17 of the code of code of procedure.
[19:24.420 --> 19:36.420]  If that doesn't happen, because the next step is it goes to a clerk, the clerk hands it to a DA or a county attorney, and then they turn it back after they write it up into an information or an indictment.
[19:37.420 --> 19:43.420]  Exactly. Well done. You nailed it. That's exactly what is supposed to happen by law.
[19:43.420 --> 19:47.420]  And if that doesn't happen, go ahead, finish your thought there.
[19:47.420 --> 19:56.420]  So that is the process. And I'm trying to be quick about this because I burn a lot of time on the air. I'm trying not to today. I'd like to ask you guys something else.
[19:56.420 --> 20:02.420]  But that's the process of statutory due process if they do it right.
[20:02.420 --> 20:10.420]  And what I think I have been missing is that you and Randy have maybe have been saying if you do...
[20:10.420 --> 20:23.420]  If an attorney that is actually authorized to represent the state of Texas does not ensure that those due process steps have happened, then they have no authority to be there.
[20:23.420 --> 20:30.420]  Their authority has not been invoked because that series of steps has not happened. Did I say that right?
[20:30.420 --> 20:38.420]  That's a good way to put it. The authority hasn't been invoked. And another way that I would put it is there is no case.
[20:38.420 --> 20:51.420]  So regardless of whether there would be, it looks to me like an unconstitutional application of statute in what's now called 45A.005,
[20:51.420 --> 21:01.420]  Subsection C says that a municipal attorney or deputy municipal attorney shall conduct each prosecution in a municipal court.
[21:01.420 --> 21:10.420]  And I think that they should distinguish that and say each prosecution of a municipal nature.
[21:10.420 --> 21:18.420]  Because he doesn't have, according to the Constitution, any kind of business being involved in state representation.
[21:18.420 --> 21:34.420]  That's the district attorney and county attorney. But so where I would highlight for us to better understand is that there is a distinction between cases being presented and coming to the municipal court,
[21:34.420 --> 21:43.420]  like somebody authorized filing the primary pleadings. That is a big deal. If that never happens, like you said, all those other steps right before that too.
[21:44.420 --> 21:53.420]  But get to the point where the district attorney or county attorney is supposed to commence the case. Commencement and prosecution are two different things.
[21:53.420 --> 22:09.420]  Commencement of a case is the district attorney or county attorney, nobody else filing an information along with the complaint that the information is based on.
[22:09.420 --> 22:21.420]  So if that didn't happen in this misdemeanor situation, obviously the grand jury could be involved with an indictment if it were going through them.
[22:21.420 --> 22:33.420]  But you cannot have the city attorney just magically pretending like somebody commenced a case and nobody filed a shred of paper to do primary pleadings.
[22:33.420 --> 22:40.420]  If a court never receives primary pleadings, nobody has invoked the jurisdiction of that court.
[22:40.420 --> 22:58.420]  And I talked with a judge about this at length one time, and where he got it stuck in his craw was, but the statute says municipal courts are supposed to handle these class C misdemeanors, or fine only, it said.
[22:58.420 --> 23:12.420]  The statute says that, and he's right. The statute does confer jurisdiction, but that jurisdiction is not activated. That jurisdiction is latent.
[23:12.420 --> 23:29.420]  It describes like a shell, like a dotted outline, it describes what kind of, it outlines like nature and cause that you have to match up with the primary pleadings.
[23:29.420 --> 23:44.420]  When the primary pleadings get presented to a court of competent jurisdiction, you have to look at the four corners of those pleadings, see what kind of nature and cause gets implicated by that and what subject matter is involved.
[23:44.420 --> 23:51.420]  Now you can see if there's a match. If it matches, great. The primary pleadings have just activated.
[23:51.420 --> 24:01.420]  Well, one of the prime pleadings is a 1617 order. That says that a judicial officer in the form of-
[24:01.420 --> 24:09.420]  No, I don't agree. That's not a primary pleading. That is, that is a necessary order. It's a necessary step in the due process.
[24:09.420 --> 24:26.420]  By bad. That's not a pleading at all. That's a primary due process step. You were saying that a judicial officer had to make a determination, probable cause. That's procedural due process.
[24:26.420 --> 24:27.420]  Exactly.
[24:27.420 --> 24:47.420]  While we don't have a right to an examining trial, we do have a right to procedural due process and procedural due process is, includes an examining trial with a 1617 order. Absent that, there's been no due process.
[24:47.420 --> 24:55.420]  Right. Yeah. Absent that, then there would be no authorization for anybody to file any primary pleadings.
[24:55.420 --> 25:11.420]  So let's say that they have that and then they got the primary pleadings filed. Now we have a case that has been presented. It has been brought. Another way to reference it is brought.
[25:11.420 --> 25:26.420]  So we see in the, I don't know if you noticed, Joseph, but in Texas here, we just had an adjustment that they made. They said it was just minor and it didn't include, it didn't have any substantial changes.
[25:26.420 --> 25:50.420]  But in chapter 45 of Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, right at the top, it talks about the purpose of the code and the purpose of that chapter. And it says, it used to say that it is for addressing how we're going to prosecute cases that come to this municipal court.
[25:50.420 --> 26:19.420]  And now they took out the part about come, and they said it just addresses prosecutions in the municipal court. And I think that that was a significant change. I think that was substantial because it starts to blur the line even more between who's allowed to commence a case and who's allowed to deal with the proceedings once it's been brought.
[26:20.420 --> 26:25.420]  What do you think? Does that make sense?
[26:25.420 --> 26:40.420]  It makes perfect sense. It's all layered. It's a series of layers on top of each other. And I've not been seeing all angles of it. So thank you for the sanity check on that one.
[26:40.420 --> 26:48.420]  Yeah. All right. Hold on to your thought, sanity check and all of that. We'll be right back after these sponsors.
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[30:25.420 --> 30:47.420]  When you gonna stop abuse your power?
[30:47.420 --> 30:52.420]  So please Mr. Macklin, teach officers not to abuse their power.
[30:52.420 --> 30:57.420]  Send a request to the leader, the captain of all officers.
[30:57.420 --> 31:03.420]  Tell them to uphold the law, and please don't abuse their power.
[31:03.420 --> 31:08.420]  They beat and they beat and they cheat and they cheat and they lie every hour.
[31:08.420 --> 31:14.420]  So Mr. Officer, please stop abusing your power.
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[31:17.420 --> 31:26.420]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, rule of law radio on this Friday, the 31st day of July 2025.
[31:26.420 --> 31:28.420]  And we're talking to Joseph in Texas.
[31:28.420 --> 31:30.420]  Joseph, we need to kind of move along.
[31:30.420 --> 31:35.420]  We got a full board and not a lot of time.
[31:35.420 --> 31:39.420]  Brett, you were finishing up about commencement.
[31:39.420 --> 31:49.420]  Yes, I was highlighting that there's a difference because in response to his question about who's authorized and due process.
[31:49.420 --> 31:56.420]  Yeah, Joseph, you've got, from my perspective, everything you said is exactly the way I read it and the way I've been preaching it.
[31:56.420 --> 32:03.420]  So I don't see anything in there of what you described that I would adjust.
[32:03.420 --> 32:09.420]  It's just that I would highlight the difference between commencement and prosecution.
[32:09.420 --> 32:28.420]  For me, that's what made some of this fall into place when I was having a hard time reconciling what looked like a restriction from the Constitution and some of the statutes and then more permissive on another part.
[32:28.420 --> 32:40.420]  So that's you recognize that somebody who does the day to day conducting proceedings, filing motions and so forth.
[32:40.420 --> 32:52.420]  That's not necessarily the same person as who is one of the very few authorized by law to commence a case and present it to a court, invoke the court's jurisdiction.
[32:52.420 --> 32:58.420]  They have to be elected to represent the state.
[32:58.420 --> 33:05.420]  Oh, wait a minute. I'm trying to put that sentence together.
[33:05.420 --> 33:10.420]  It's not the prosecutor primarily who invokes the jurisdiction of the court.
[33:10.420 --> 33:13.420]  It is a citizen.
[33:13.420 --> 33:19.420]  Yeah, because they're representing the state. We the people are the ones who are going after this criminal.
[33:19.420 --> 33:28.420]  So who is it who is explicitly authorized to represent the people?
[33:28.420 --> 33:32.420]  He only gets involved after the fact.
[33:32.420 --> 33:35.420]  Yeah, the city attorney. Yeah.
[33:35.420 --> 33:45.420]  There has to be a presentation, a presentment by a person to a magistrate of a criminal accusation.
[33:45.420 --> 33:50.420]  And it does not say policeman anywhere.
[33:50.420 --> 33:54.420]  Not even a hint.
[33:54.420 --> 33:58.420]  It doesn't say law enforcement. It doesn't say officer. It doesn't even say public official.
[33:59.420 --> 34:03.420]  Nothing. It's just a complaint.
[34:03.420 --> 34:06.420]  Somebody who has knowledge.
[34:06.420 --> 34:14.420]  When a policeman resents a complaint to some magistrate, he does not do so in his capacity as a police officer.
[34:14.420 --> 34:19.420]  Because there is no special capacity for a police officer to file a criminal complaint.
[34:19.420 --> 34:25.420]  He does so in his capacity as a credible person, just like the rest of us.
[34:25.420 --> 34:29.420]  Yeah. Well, Joseph, I don't know. Does that answer where you were going with that?
[34:29.420 --> 34:33.420]  You want to move on to the other thing you called about?
[34:33.420 --> 34:38.420]  It does. Randy, I don't know if there is time.
[34:38.420 --> 34:49.420]  The situation is there is a law firm that sent me a letter as a acting as a collector because I missed a pretrial hearing.
[34:49.420 --> 34:54.420]  I got radius for a speeding citation. I got the court to reschedule it.
[34:54.420 --> 34:58.420]  But then I got this letter in the mail saying, hey, you owe us this money.
[34:58.420 --> 35:04.420]  And the money is in the amount that the fine is if I was to be convicted.
[35:04.420 --> 35:09.420]  That seems like having to pay a fine without getting due process.
[35:09.420 --> 35:12.420]  I mean, I get that I messed up and missed a court date.
[35:12.420 --> 35:23.420]  You know what I would do? I would bar creep the partners of that law firm for sending you that document.
[35:23.420 --> 35:40.420]  I'd be terrified. And I'd feel like they tried to get this money under duress and that they committed coercion in order to try to hoodwink me into paying a debt that I did not yet owe.
[35:40.420 --> 35:42.420]  Yep.
[35:42.420 --> 35:43.420]  Oh, that's beautiful.
[35:43.420 --> 35:50.420]  Brett, do you happen to have a good word, Doc, or an easy version of the bar grievance form to fill out?
[35:50.420 --> 35:54.420]  I've been trying to painstakingly recreate one in Word.
[35:54.420 --> 35:58.420]  I found mine. I've got some in my stuff.
[35:58.420 --> 36:02.420]  Is it the current revision? Because they've gotten picky about that.
[36:02.420 --> 36:05.420]  Yeah, I do have one, but mine is the old revision.
[36:05.420 --> 36:15.420]  I just pulled up the other day and saw that they put up in red and yellow giant box that says we're not going to receive anything else on the old forms.
[36:15.420 --> 36:17.420]  We only receive for the new revision.
[36:17.420 --> 36:21.420]  So the new revision is seven pages long.
[36:21.420 --> 36:26.420]  Yeah, that would have to be, I'd have to revise mine for that.
[36:26.420 --> 36:28.420]  It's easy enough to build one.
[36:28.420 --> 36:29.420]  If you guys don't have one.
[36:29.420 --> 36:35.420]  Randy, if yours is the new version, please be so kind as to post it in the Law Society channel. Otherwise.
[36:35.420 --> 36:40.420]  It depends on how new it is. And mine's a couple years old.
[36:40.420 --> 36:42.420]  Yeah, I think they've done it since then.
[36:42.420 --> 36:48.420]  But it had some red stuff on it, as I recall, but I don't remember seven pages.
[36:48.420 --> 36:51.420]  One thing comes to mind about that.
[36:51.420 --> 36:59.420]  Joseph is Texas Penal Code 32.48 Simulating Legal Process.
[36:59.420 --> 37:04.420]  These debt collectors appear to have met the essential elements here.
[37:04.420 --> 37:10.420]  Listen, a person commits an offense if the person recklessly causes to be delivered to another.
[37:10.420 --> 37:33.420]  Any document that simulates, summons complaint, judgment or other court process with the intent to induce payment of a claim from another person or cause another to submit to the putative authority of the document or take any action or refrain from taking any action in response to the document in compliance with the document or on the basis of the document.
[37:33.420 --> 37:36.420]  OK, is that cool or what?
[37:36.420 --> 37:40.420]  Now, let me tell you why they passed that.
[37:40.420 --> 37:49.420]  They passed that because the Republic of Texas group and others were filing liens against public officials.
[37:49.420 --> 37:52.420]  These guys, they just invented.
[37:52.420 --> 37:55.420]  Yeah, you can't file a lien.
[37:55.420 --> 37:59.420]  All you can do is file a notice of an existing lien.
[38:00.420 --> 38:10.420]  So they passed this law to say you file the lien, then actually you're filing notice of a lien that's supposed to exist when it doesn't exist.
[38:10.420 --> 38:16.420]  And they passed 32.48 specifically to stop the Republic of Texas.
[38:16.420 --> 38:22.420]  But what they did was trapped all these debt collectors.
[38:22.420 --> 38:27.420]  That's what you get, guys.
[38:27.420 --> 38:33.420]  OK, I'm using 32.48 to I filed a what was it?
[38:33.420 --> 38:39.420]  I filed a motion in a county court here just a couple of days ago.
[38:39.420 --> 38:44.420]  It was a motion for sanctions and I had Grok help me write it.
[38:44.420 --> 39:00.420]  But I had, I think, 32.11 or 32.07, 37.10 and 32.48, all because the attorney made a false accusation in a motion against me and accused me of a crime with no proof.
[39:00.420 --> 39:10.420]  Grok pulled in a bunch of good stuff, including the rules of ethics that the attorney violated, along with a couple other good bits.
[39:10.420 --> 39:18.420]  So, yeah, I'm already using that, but now I want to bargrieve the attorney with those same criminal complaints that I attached to that motion for sanctions.
[39:18.420 --> 39:20.420]  OK, here's another little tip.
[39:20.420 --> 39:38.420]  If you're going to bargrieve and you have a criminal complaint you would like to send in along with, take a look at the rule 8.04 because part of his what they end up actually getting disciplined for is
[39:38.420 --> 39:49.420]  in 8.04, it's talking about official misconduct and acts of moral turpitude, which include getting, getting, or doing crimes.
[39:49.420 --> 39:54.420]  I think technically lion-knocked dog falls under that.
[39:54.420 --> 40:04.420]  Yeah. So if you can show that he committed a crime, then, hey, might as well go ahead and link that to 8.04.
[40:04.420 --> 40:12.420]  And if there's any other attorney that's in that firm that you think, you know, ought to have known better.
[40:12.420 --> 40:24.420]  Well, take a look at 8.03 because 8.03 subsection A says that he's supposed to go bargrieve his buddy as soon as he knows about the misconduct.
[40:24.420 --> 40:29.420]  Attorney number two is supposed to bargrieve attorney number one.
[40:29.420 --> 40:42.420]  And you can go ahead and reach out to the partners of that law firm because rule 5.01 says that they're supposed to stop them and they're supposed to mitigate the harm they caused and all that.
[40:42.420 --> 40:49.420]  So you can get them for 5.01 as well for the partner for what the subordinate did.
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[43:21.420 --> 43:26.420]  All it takes is a misunderstanding if somebody calls the police.
[43:26.420 --> 43:51.420]  Watching the sparks fly, watching the sparks fly, watching the sparks fly, watching the sparks fly.
[43:51.420 --> 43:56.420]  Friction is an addiction, but hard work can leave you cold as nails.
[43:56.420 --> 44:02.420]  There's been hostility toward tranquility, heavy loads of taping on scales.
[44:02.420 --> 44:08.420]  The time is colliding with the conflict, you find out after a while.
[44:08.420 --> 44:13.420]  It's not your moral standard, it's your patience that's on trial.
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[44:43.420 --> 44:59.420]  Okay, we are back.
[44:59.420 --> 45:02.420]  Randy Kelman, Bret Fountain, Rue La Radio.
[45:02.420 --> 45:08.420]  We are three quarters in and we've got a full board of callers.
[45:08.420 --> 45:12.420]  Joseph, let's pick up yours next time.
[45:12.420 --> 45:15.420]  I want to dump you like a hot rock.
[45:15.420 --> 45:16.420]  Hey, Randy.
[45:16.420 --> 45:20.420]  And go to Martiché.
[45:20.420 --> 45:22.420]  You okay with that?
[45:22.420 --> 45:23.420]  I'm okay with that.
[45:23.420 --> 45:26.420]  I just want to give you guys a reflective comment here.
[45:26.420 --> 45:33.420]  I have a firm of 12 attorneys and a firm of 61 attorneys that I'm going to use Bret's trick on.
[45:33.420 --> 45:37.420]  I just need a forum to make it fast to create those bar grievances.
[45:37.420 --> 45:40.420]  Yeah, dump me like a bad stock.
[45:40.420 --> 45:41.420]  Thanks, gentlemen.
[45:41.420 --> 45:46.420]  Well, I'll tell you just a really one other little quick tip that makes everything faster.
[45:46.420 --> 45:57.420]  You can fill out their form and on the part where you're supposed to fill in what the attorney did, just say see attached.
[45:57.420 --> 46:01.420]  And now you've got a separate sheet where you put the whole bar grievance.
[46:01.420 --> 46:04.420]  Everything of your bar grievance goes on a separate sheet.
[46:04.420 --> 46:13.420]  The only reason why you're using their form is because if you leave the least little thing not filled in, then they reject it and they never process it.
[46:13.420 --> 46:28.420]  And if you know anybody who knows anything about databases, we could build a database and put merge fields in this document and merge them right into the document.
[46:28.420 --> 46:32.420]  And you know anybody might be able to help with something like that?
[46:32.420 --> 46:35.420]  I might.
[46:35.420 --> 46:36.420]  Okay.
[46:36.420 --> 46:38.420]  Thank you, Joseph.
[46:38.420 --> 46:42.420]  Now we're going to go to Martiché.
[46:42.420 --> 46:45.420]  Can we hear you this time, Martiché?
[46:45.420 --> 46:46.420]  Let's see.
[46:46.420 --> 46:48.420]  My go live didn't take.
[46:48.420 --> 46:49.420]  Hello?
[46:49.420 --> 46:50.420]  Okay, gotcha.
[46:50.420 --> 46:52.420]  How you doing, Randy?
[46:52.420 --> 46:53.420]  All right.
[46:53.420 --> 46:55.420]  Tell us something interesting.
[46:55.420 --> 46:57.420]  Tell you something interesting?
[46:57.420 --> 47:00.420]  Okay.
[47:00.420 --> 47:02.420]  Let's see.
[47:02.420 --> 47:12.420]  Have you ever thought about, I'm going to try to make this fast, but we're talking about, I remember when I first heard the radio station, you was talking about a lot about jurisdiction, jurisdiction, jurisdiction.
[47:12.420 --> 47:14.420]  And I didn't understand it.
[47:14.420 --> 47:16.420]  I still didn't understand it.
[47:16.420 --> 47:25.420]  Now I'm starting to learn it better to the point where I'm getting, I think I'm getting, I'm putting the picture together real well.
[47:25.420 --> 47:30.420]  But the school, what do we call school?
[47:30.420 --> 47:33.420]  That we send our children?
[47:33.420 --> 47:36.420]  Wait, did you say school?
[47:36.420 --> 47:37.420]  Yeah.
[47:37.420 --> 47:44.420]  What do we call the school that we send our children?
[47:44.420 --> 47:45.420]  School?
[47:45.420 --> 47:47.420]  You send children to public school, right?
[47:47.420 --> 47:48.420]  Yeah.
[47:48.420 --> 47:50.420]  Okay.
[47:50.420 --> 47:53.420]  You send children to public school.
[47:53.420 --> 47:59.420]  Have you ever wondered why it's called public school?
[47:59.420 --> 48:03.420]  Because it's open generally to the public.
[48:03.420 --> 48:05.420]  Well, that's what they want you to think.
[48:05.420 --> 48:15.420]  It's public school because they are teaching you how to operate in the public domain, in the public jurisdiction.
[48:15.420 --> 48:16.420]  Does that make sense?
[48:16.420 --> 48:17.420]  Yes.
[48:17.420 --> 48:26.420]  If you want to know how to really understand the difference between the public and the private, need to talk to the Amish.
[48:26.420 --> 48:28.420]  They got that down.
[48:28.420 --> 48:30.420]  Well, it's not that they got it down.
[48:30.420 --> 48:33.420]  It's that they never adopted into the system.
[48:33.420 --> 48:34.420]  We were tricked into the system.
[48:34.420 --> 48:37.420]  I knew there was something wrong with the public school.
[48:37.420 --> 48:40.420]  You try to convince me that there wasn't, but I knew that it wasn't.
[48:40.420 --> 48:43.420]  But now I know what it is.
[48:43.420 --> 48:54.420]  See, they never opted into that system, so they carried their knowledge, their laws, the ones that they knew, they carried with them and passed it on down.
[48:54.420 --> 48:56.420]  Yeah, that's what they understood.
[48:56.420 --> 49:03.420]  Anytime you accept a benefit from the government, then you bind yourself to the government.
[49:03.420 --> 49:06.420]  And the Amish understood that.
[49:06.420 --> 49:10.420]  That's why they stayed away from any government benefits.
[49:10.420 --> 49:17.420]  And what Reagan said about the scariest thing he's ever heard was someone say, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
[49:17.420 --> 49:19.420]  OK, right.
[49:19.420 --> 49:23.420]  So now we're having all these problems with these courts and everything.
[49:23.420 --> 49:38.420]  And what I'm coming to find out is that we don't realize that they had jurisdiction over us by tricking us with these, by tricking us and having us adopt a birth certificate.
[49:38.420 --> 49:44.420]  They only can possibly have jurisdiction over us.
[49:44.420 --> 49:53.420]  And as far as I can tell, and I've been doing this a long time, and I've been trying to get good information on this birth certificate thing.
[49:53.420 --> 50:17.420]  I've heard a lot of stuff, but I have never got anything to back up any allegation concerning a birth certificate other than it gives notice of a live birth within the jurisdictional boundaries of a country, a state, a county.
[50:17.420 --> 50:19.420]  I can't find anything.
[50:19.420 --> 50:21.420]  I've heard all kind of crap.
[50:21.420 --> 50:25.420]  And that's those guys give me something to support that other than your word.
[50:25.420 --> 50:28.420]  And I've never got anything.
[50:28.420 --> 50:30.420]  You've got some.
[50:30.420 --> 50:32.420]  I sure want to see it.
[50:32.420 --> 50:37.420]  If you don't have an understanding, if you won't accept our understanding, you won't.
[50:37.420 --> 50:39.420]  That's what I don't get to do.
[50:39.420 --> 50:41.420]  I'm a statute.
[50:41.420 --> 50:48.420]  I can't do leaps of faith and then have nothing to base it on.
[50:48.420 --> 50:52.420]  I can't go into court with, you got to understand, Judge.
[50:52.420 --> 50:54.420]  He's not going to understand.
[50:54.420 --> 51:02.420]  I can only go into court with, I got these facts and I have this law that applies to these facts.
[51:02.420 --> 51:06.420]  Can you get me there with a birth certificate?
[51:06.420 --> 51:07.420]  Yeah.
[51:07.420 --> 51:16.420]  If you take a minute to find it, to actually understand what I'm trying to say, you'll realize that they can't even get you into the court room.
[51:16.420 --> 51:21.420]  Right now, what's allowing them to get you into the court room is the way you're...
[51:21.420 --> 51:23.420]  Wait a minute, Marty Shea.
[51:23.420 --> 51:26.420]  Do you know who you're talking to?
[51:26.420 --> 51:28.420]  Okay, yes.
[51:28.420 --> 51:30.420]  Thirty years.
[51:30.420 --> 51:32.420]  We've heard all this for decades.
[51:32.420 --> 51:35.420]  And we do understand the thought process.
[51:35.420 --> 51:37.420]  We've heard the explanations.
[51:37.420 --> 51:40.420]  We do get where that is trying to go.
[51:40.420 --> 51:42.420]  We just can't step there.
[51:42.420 --> 51:43.420]  It's like a piece of thin ice.
[51:43.420 --> 51:45.420]  We can't stand on it because it's unsupported.
[51:45.420 --> 51:55.420]  I heard it from Tim Turner, David Strait, who's the guy that just died in prison, Winston Shrout.
[51:55.420 --> 51:57.420]  I heard it from all of them.
[51:57.420 --> 51:58.420]  I talked to all of them.
[51:58.420 --> 51:59.420]  Sam Kennedy.
[51:59.420 --> 52:02.420]  Sam Kennedy is the one that started it.
[52:02.420 --> 52:04.420]  I knew all those guys.
[52:04.420 --> 52:09.420]  And all I got from them was, you just got to understand.
[52:09.420 --> 52:11.420]  You just got to understand.
[52:11.420 --> 52:12.420]  No.
[52:12.420 --> 52:13.420]  I don't.
[52:13.420 --> 52:14.420]  Well, yeah.
[52:14.420 --> 52:18.420]  First, you do have to understand so you can figure out, so you can see what to do.
[52:18.420 --> 52:23.420]  Once you understand that that's how they got you into the system, now you understand the jurisdictions.
[52:23.420 --> 52:24.420]  Like, wait a minute.
[52:24.420 --> 52:26.420]  So how am I in this jurisdiction?
[52:26.420 --> 52:29.420]  My mother did document.
[52:29.420 --> 52:33.420]  This document is controlled by the state.
[52:33.420 --> 52:41.420]  So what power does that, what effect does that document have other than establishing that I have citizenship?
[52:42.420 --> 52:48.420]  That document allows you to be in the jurisdiction of commerce.
[52:48.420 --> 52:49.420]  How?
[52:49.420 --> 52:52.420]  But nobody ever in the courts, they never speak to that.
[52:52.420 --> 52:53.420]  They never deal with that.
[52:53.420 --> 52:55.420]  They never rely on it.
[52:55.420 --> 52:58.420]  They don't reference it in any way.
[52:58.420 --> 53:01.420]  What does a birth certificate have to do with commerce?
[53:01.420 --> 53:05.420]  Once they make, what does the birth certificate have to do with commerce?
[53:05.420 --> 53:08.420]  Yeah.
[53:08.420 --> 53:11.420]  That's how you got into the jurisdiction.
[53:11.420 --> 53:13.420]  That's what you said.
[53:13.420 --> 53:16.420]  Circular reasoning going on here.
[53:16.420 --> 53:21.420]  The birth certificate is how they got you into their jurisdiction.
[53:21.420 --> 53:22.420]  Okay.
[53:22.420 --> 53:23.420]  Well, how did it do that?
[53:23.420 --> 53:25.420]  Strawman.
[53:25.420 --> 53:36.420]  No, strawman, that's a different, this whole strawman thing they've got, they adopted that word, but they misapplied the word.
[53:36.420 --> 53:45.420]  A strawman is where you exaggerate a minor point and then attack the exaggeration.
[53:45.420 --> 53:48.420]  The minor point is the strawman.
[53:48.420 --> 53:49.420]  Okay.
[53:49.420 --> 53:58.420]  Yeah, it's kind of appropriate that they're trying to co-opt that word and talk about making up this fake person that's connected to a birth certificate.
[53:58.420 --> 54:03.420]  And so now that's the one they control and it's all caps and you think it's you and all that stuff.
[54:03.420 --> 54:14.420]  It's appropriate that they would co-opt the word strawman because strawman speaks to logical fallacy and a pointless argument.
[54:14.420 --> 54:18.420]  And, Marty Shea, I'm not trying to be difficult.
[54:18.420 --> 54:19.420]  I am.
[54:19.420 --> 54:20.420]  I heard all the arguments.
[54:20.420 --> 54:28.420]  I'm trying to lead you so you can see where I'm going, but we're not ever going to get there if you keep on interjecting these things that we all heard before.
[54:29.420 --> 54:31.420]  You're going to the same place.
[54:31.420 --> 54:52.420]  This is the argument I've heard a hundred times that somehow by your parents filling out that birth certificate, it bound me to some kind of adhesive contract, which I've never seen, never been able to get a copy of.
[54:52.420 --> 54:53.420]  Nobody's ever seen it.
[54:53.420 --> 54:55.420]  Nobody ever references it.
[54:55.420 --> 54:57.420]  They just talk about it as if it exists.
[55:09.420 --> 55:10.420]  Great.
[55:10.420 --> 55:11.420]  Say that again.
[55:11.420 --> 55:13.420]  He wants to tell us about the.
[55:14.420 --> 55:15.420]  But you won't let me get there.
[55:15.420 --> 55:20.420]  I'm trying to tell you that we're operating in public and we don't know that because we went to public schools.
[55:20.420 --> 55:23.420]  You're going to have to start out by telling us some law.
[55:23.420 --> 55:33.420]  Some, you know, start out with the law and then build from there instead of starting from this legal difference, ethereal theories.
[55:33.420 --> 55:36.420]  What's the legal difference between public and private?
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[56:50.420 --> 56:55.420]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[56:55.420 --> 56:59.420]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[56:59.420 --> 57:01.420]  Our liberty depends on it.
[57:01.420 --> 57:07.420]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[57:07.420 --> 57:09.420]  Privacy is under attack.
[57:09.420 --> 57:12.420]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[57:12.420 --> 57:17.420]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[57:17.420 --> 57:19.420]  So protect your rights.
[57:19.420 --> 57:22.420]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[57:22.420 --> 57:25.420]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[57:36.420 --> 57:39.420]  Most people think of seven as a more civilized number than six.
[57:39.420 --> 57:44.420]  Think of how the number six is implicated in evil, as in the biblical 666.
[57:44.420 --> 57:48.420]  So it would fit right in that the Seventh Amendment would be about civil trials.
[57:48.420 --> 57:51.420]  Civil seven, civil trials, get it?
[57:51.420 --> 57:57.420]  Civil trials are ones where people sue instead of beating each other up over a dispute, like the dividing line between properties.
[57:57.420 --> 58:02.420]  They take their dispute to a courthouse and settle matters civilly without the fisticuffs.
[58:02.420 --> 58:10.420]  The Seventh Amendment guarantees that Americans have the right to a jury in certain civil matters instead of having a lone judge rule on the case.
[58:22.420 --> 58:26.420]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[58:26.420 --> 58:29.420]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[58:29.420 --> 58:31.420]  Our liberty depends on it.
[58:31.420 --> 58:37.420]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[58:37.420 --> 58:39.420]  Privacy is under attack.
[58:39.420 --> 58:43.420]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[58:43.420 --> 58:48.420]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[58:48.420 --> 58:53.420]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[58:53.420 --> 58:55.420]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[59:06.420 --> 59:12.420]  Remember the scene in George Orwell's novel, 1984, when Winston is threatened with his worst fear?
[59:12.420 --> 59:16.420]  That fear was having a cage of hungry rats unleashed on his face.
[59:16.420 --> 59:20.420]  But what if his worst fear was spiders, eight-legged spiders, to be exact?
[59:20.420 --> 59:23.420]  Getting a face full of spiders would be pretty cruel and unusual.
[59:24.420 --> 59:28.420]  That image of eight-legged spiders will help you remember the Eighth Amendment.
[59:28.420 --> 59:34.420]  Our founding fathers added the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to protect us from creepy-crawly eight-legged punishments
[59:34.420 --> 59:38.420]  and other cruel and unusual prison practices that were common in their day.
[59:38.420 --> 59:44.420]  The Eighth Amendment also prohibits the government from acquiring excessive bail and charging excessive fines.
[59:44.420 --> 59:49.420]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[59:53.420 --> 59:55.420]  Yeah!
[01:00:23.420 --> 01:00:24.420]  One day you will
[01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.420]  Chant for justice
[01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:28.420]  Chant for justice
[01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:30.420]  Chant of rubies
[01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:32.420]  Chant for justice
[01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:34.420]  Chant for our words
[01:00:34.420 --> 01:00:36.420]  Chant for our words
[01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:38.420]  All of them when me chant when me see
[01:00:38.420 --> 01:00:42.420]  Say all man was created equally
[01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:45.420]  Chant down Babylon and do it daily
[01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:49.420]  And when night come pray for everybody
[01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:52.420]  Say one by one me have to chant them on
[01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:56.420]  Me chant down Babylon because Babylon is wrong
[01:00:56.420 --> 01:00:59.420]  The only right man me say is the rest a man
[01:00:59.420 --> 01:01:03.420]  We take me say Lord man before we hear no man
[01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:06.420]  To chant down Babylon now not later
[01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:10.420]  To let Babylon know say we getting greater
[01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:13.420]  We guide the donkey me say shoot yella Lee
[01:01:13.420 --> 01:01:17.420]  Say Jesus Christ shall rescue him
[01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:19.420]  Chant down by
[01:01:19.420 --> 01:01:21.420]  One by one
[01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:23.420]  Chant for justice
[01:01:23.420 --> 01:01:25.420]  Chant for justice
[01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:28.420]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:30.420]  Chant for our words
[01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:31.420]  Release
[01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:33.420]  Well what men base this what they say
[01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:35.420]  Me not base this what them do
[01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:38.420]  They want to see the rest a man fail not get through
[01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:42.420]  But ye the rest a man man him know what him a do
[01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:45.420]  He call on call almighty and him do that for true
[01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:49.420]  And I know who be do and know hello how you do
[01:01:49.420 --> 01:01:52.420]  The rest a man a something he must follow through
[01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:56.420]  Creator a something God bless you
[01:01:56.420 --> 01:01:59.420]  And as a rest a man you have to do what is true
[01:01:59.420 --> 01:02:01.420]  Chant down by
[01:02:01.420 --> 01:02:03.420]  One by one
[01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:06.420]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:02:06.420 --> 01:02:10.420]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:12.420]  Chant for justice and peace
[01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:25.420]  I've addressed this before and for me this is very frustrating.
[01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:32.420]  I have helped keep a number of people out of jail over this kind of stuff
[01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:36.420]  and a number of people I haven't been able to keep out of jail
[01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:40.420]  and Bonnie was one of them that broke my heart.
[01:02:40.420 --> 01:02:43.420]  David Strait's wife.
[01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:46.420]  He's doing this stuff
[01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:51.420]  And he gets her put in jail caused her to lose everything she had
[01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:55.420]  She was absolutely a sweetheart and the last time I saw her
[01:02:55.420 --> 01:03:00.420]  She looked 20 years older and as I understand she's back in jail now
[01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:02.420]  Over something
[01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:03.420]  Oh no.
[01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:07.420]  Absolute nonsense.
[01:03:07.420 --> 01:03:12.420]  I had a guy in Arizona who was doing this kind of stuff
[01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:16.420]  And they charged him with two felonies and two misdemeanors
[01:03:16.420 --> 01:03:23.420]  And he paid one of the guys in this group in Arizona $11,000 to write motions and pleadings
[01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:28.420]  And I looked at those pleadings and they were absolute horse manure
[01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:34.420]  Just all this patriot mythological stuff for which there was no statutory backing
[01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:37.420]  So I asked him, I said Arnold
[01:03:37.420 --> 01:03:40.420]  Is this the heel you want to dial?
[01:03:40.420 --> 01:03:43.420]  Is this the fight you want to have?
[01:03:43.420 --> 01:03:46.420]  He said no, he has just other thing he does
[01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:48.420]  I said well then call the prosecutor
[01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:52.420]  Don't assume he's some kind of evil demon
[01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:55.420]  Just call him and tell him yeah I listen to all these guys
[01:03:55.420 --> 01:03:57.420]  And they told me all this stuff and I believed it
[01:03:57.420 --> 01:04:02.420]  And it turns out it's all a bunch of crapola
[01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:05.420]  Is there something we can do to kind of sort this out?
[01:04:05.420 --> 01:04:08.420]  Two felonies, two misdemeanors
[01:04:08.420 --> 01:04:12.420]  And the prosecutor said well
[01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:15.420]  If you got a $500 bond up
[01:04:15.420 --> 01:04:26.420]  If you will forego that bond and we'll apply it to a fine and a court cost on one class C misdemeanor
[01:04:26.420 --> 01:04:29.420]  We'll drop all the rest of it
[01:04:29.420 --> 01:04:30.420]  Wow
[01:04:30.420 --> 01:04:36.420]  After he had put out $11,000
[01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:39.420]  Yep, trying to school the world on the public and the private
[01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:42.420]  The straw man and the certificate
[01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:45.420]  And he asked me well how much are you going to charge me for that?
[01:04:45.420 --> 01:04:48.420]  I can't charge you for something like that
[01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:50.420]  That's just good sense
[01:04:50.420 --> 01:04:56.420]  Marty said if we seem touchy on this subject
[01:04:56.420 --> 01:05:00.420]  This is why, because we've had so much experience
[01:05:00.420 --> 01:05:04.420]  They called me to New York to get this guy out of federal lockup
[01:05:04.420 --> 01:05:09.420]  For buying a Mercedes with a bill of exchange
[01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:13.420]  Based on that CQV trust
[01:05:13.420 --> 01:05:20.420]  And Glenn Fern with his trust
[01:05:20.420 --> 01:05:23.420]  He made my trust for me for my LLC
[01:05:23.420 --> 01:05:28.420]  But this was the SQ trust
[01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:30.420]  Yeah, CQV
[01:05:31.420 --> 01:05:38.420]  Some call it CQV but it's actually a French term saying the one that lives
[01:05:38.420 --> 01:05:42.420]  I'm not talking about using this information to go fight in court
[01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:44.420]  I would pass that
[01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:46.420]  There's no argument
[01:05:46.420 --> 01:05:50.420]  This information removes you from even getting into court
[01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:53.420]  That's what they've been saying
[01:05:53.420 --> 01:05:59.420]  They've been doing this thing to try to get us outside of the statutes
[01:05:59.420 --> 01:06:01.420]  The only way that I know of
[01:06:01.420 --> 01:06:03.420]  It still happens though
[01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:07.420]  Outside the jurisdiction of courts in Texas
[01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:09.420]  To leave Texas
[01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:11.420]  We walk into Texas
[01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:15.420]  Marty Shea, somebody that has done all the status redemption
[01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:20.420]  And they've fixed everything and got all out of the system and so forth
[01:06:20.420 --> 01:06:24.420]  They can still go hop in a truck with no license plates or whatever
[01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:26.420]  And they go do their thing
[01:06:26.420 --> 01:06:29.420]  Five minutes later, they're in jail
[01:06:29.420 --> 01:06:33.420]  And they'll rail in righteous indignation about the inequity of it all
[01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:35.420]  And they might be right
[01:06:35.420 --> 01:06:38.420]  But they're still in jail
[01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:42.420]  And then they call me to get them out of jail for this stuff they did
[01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:44.420]  I'm always the last guy they call
[01:06:44.420 --> 01:06:48.420]  I got a call from Robert Fox when he was still alive
[01:06:48.420 --> 01:06:53.420]  He had two guys in North Carolina and I happened to be in North Carolina at the time
[01:06:53.420 --> 01:06:55.420]  I can't even get my information out
[01:06:55.420 --> 01:06:56.420]  What the hell?
[01:06:56.420 --> 01:06:58.420]  You what?
[01:06:58.420 --> 01:06:59.420]  Okay
[01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:01.420]  You can't get a what?
[01:07:01.420 --> 01:07:03.420]  No, I can't get my information out
[01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:05.420]  Okay, go ahead
[01:07:07.420 --> 01:07:12.420]  Okay, from what I realize that we've been trained to operate in public
[01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:15.420]  We've never been taught how to operate in private
[01:07:15.420 --> 01:07:19.420]  Right? And we know that there's a private law and I've never heard it
[01:07:19.420 --> 01:07:24.420]  I have to go research myself to start understanding this private law
[01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:34.420]  Right now, I've come to find out that vital statistics, records have a way for you to authenticate your birth statistics
[01:07:34.420 --> 01:07:49.420]  That means documents that are falsely falsified or incorrectly adopted can be corrected into its proper status
[01:07:49.420 --> 01:07:50.420]  Ooh
[01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:57.420]  So you can rescind your birth certificate
[01:08:07.420 --> 01:08:10.420]  Well, okay, here would be my concern about that
[01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:18.420]  If I don't have a birth certificate that establishes that I was born in the United States
[01:08:18.420 --> 01:08:23.420]  I don't have any evidence of citizenship, now I'm an immigrant
[01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:30.420]  Subject to deportation
[01:08:30.420 --> 01:08:33.420]  That's not how the theory goes
[01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:35.420]  The theory
[01:08:35.420 --> 01:08:44.420]  A certificate of live birth, that is going to allow you to switch over your birth certificate into the birth certificate that you want
[01:08:44.420 --> 01:08:46.420]  Because you have that right
[01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:55.420]  You have the right to operate in the public, you have the right to operate in the private, you have the right to operate in whatever jurisdiction that you want to
[01:08:55.420 --> 01:08:57.420]  So I can just pick any
[01:08:57.420 --> 01:09:00.420]  Okay, hold on, where did you get that right?
[01:09:01.420 --> 01:09:03.420]  Where did you get the right?
[01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:04.420]  Yeah
[01:09:04.420 --> 01:09:10.420]  You have a lawful right to do anything that doesn't harm anybody else
[01:09:10.420 --> 01:09:12.420]  No, that's not the case
[01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:18.420]  You have the right to do anything that's totally forbidden to do, whether it harms somebody else or not
[01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:20.420]  Right, okay
[01:09:20.420 --> 01:09:28.420]  So if you want to do commerce, if you want to drive and deliver goods and stuff
[01:09:28.420 --> 01:09:39.420]  You need to come into the public domain and obtain a driver's license which is given to you from the state, which gives you permission
[01:09:39.420 --> 01:09:50.420]  We don't need permission, that means no one is going to give us some type of card to say that, here, okay, you are a free man, or you are, no, we already have that right now
[01:09:50.420 --> 01:09:55.420]  Wait, you're stitching two things together
[01:09:55.420 --> 01:09:59.420]  You don't need permission to move around freely in the state
[01:09:59.420 --> 01:10:00.420]  Right
[01:10:00.420 --> 01:10:04.420]  But you do need permission to do business in the state
[01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:05.420]  Right
[01:10:05.420 --> 01:10:08.420]  Or to use the roadways of the people as a place of business
[01:10:08.420 --> 01:10:24.420]  Right, and so if you want to do that, you must come into their jurisdiction because they need a way to track you and punish you and regulate those statutes, regulations which are in that jurisdiction
[01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:35.420]  We came from the public, we were never taught how to operate in private, so our parents thought they were doing a good thing, boom, hospital, birth certificate, bang
[01:10:35.420 --> 01:10:46.420]  Wait a minute, I get a driver's license and I get professional license, I don't get birth certificate as a license for anything
[01:10:46.420 --> 01:10:52.420]  No, birth certificate is not a license, a birth certificate is putting you into the jurisdiction
[01:10:52.420 --> 01:10:53.420]  How?
[01:10:53.420 --> 01:10:54.420]  They are the ones
[01:10:54.420 --> 01:10:55.420]  Wait a minute
[01:10:55.420 --> 01:10:59.420]  I've never seen that, everybody says it, but I've never seen it
[01:10:59.420 --> 01:11:17.420]  If I step within the jurisdictional boundaries of any jurisdiction, I place myself by an adhesion contract within the jurisdiction of that state and within the jurisdiction of the penal laws of that state
[01:11:17.420 --> 01:11:21.420]  That's just by being there
[01:11:21.420 --> 01:11:25.420]  Regardless of where the person was born
[01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:32.420]  And make the liability for violations of penal laws go away
[01:11:32.420 --> 01:11:41.420]  You can walk across the border and do something in Mexico and they won't care whether you have a birth certificate or not, they're going to require you to follow the laws of Mexico
[01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:47.420]  Everybody is subject to penal laws, criminal laws, everybody is subject to that
[01:11:47.420 --> 01:11:50.420]  Other ones are not
[01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:53.420]  Okay, so now that's better, that's better
[01:11:53.420 --> 01:12:08.420]  So we're not talking about criminal laws, we're talking about, the only other laws are essentially, well civil laws and that goes to harm to one another
[01:12:08.420 --> 01:12:25.420]  Am I necessarily subject to the consequences of harm to another person under this strategy?
[01:12:25.420 --> 01:12:30.420]  And I think from listening to the Patriots, they agree with that
[01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:38.420]  If this puts us outside any commercial entanglement with the state, is that your position?
[01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:40.420]  Yes, that's what it does
[01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:49.420]  It makes you, because you are the person who has the right to tell them what you are
[01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:53.420]  So it's called, what's that thing called again?
[01:12:53.420 --> 01:13:02.420]  It's a certification of your birth certificate
[01:13:02.420 --> 01:13:10.420]  It gives you the right to contact and vital statistics, do the paperwork, give them your name, date of birth, date and all that
[01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:14.420]  And then correct the status to what you are
[01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:17.420]  What does that mean functionally?
[01:13:17.420 --> 01:13:20.420]  What would you put on there, and what does it mean?
[01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:34.420]  Okay, so what does it mean is that when you change it, there are certain categories which tell the state and everyone else that this is a private individual
[01:13:34.420 --> 01:13:38.420]  Totally removed out of the public
[01:13:38.420 --> 01:13:44.420]  I get the theory, but what would you actually put on there? Check the box for, I'm a living soul?
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[01:16:00.420 --> 01:16:24.420]  Okay, howdy, howdy, Randy Kelkin, Brett Fountain
[01:16:24.420 --> 01:16:33.420]  We're on the rule of our radio on this Thursday, the 31st day of July 2025, and we're talking to Mardisheh
[01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:44.420]  And Mardisheh, this is something you did for a longer show, and we've got three segments and two callers
[01:16:44.420 --> 01:16:52.420]  And we're not getting anywhere, you and I have had this exact same discussion before
[01:16:52.420 --> 01:16:55.420]  It's not the same, I got more information
[01:16:55.420 --> 01:16:58.420]  Every time we talk, I go get more information because I can't
[01:16:58.420 --> 01:17:06.420]  Call me back tomorrow, I've got two guests for the first hour, hour and a half
[01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:11.420]  But in the second hour, call me, we'll have more time when we go through this
[01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:17.420]  And I'll let you go through your information, but you have to let me get clarification
[01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:22.420]  No, we can go back through it with the clarification, but if I give you a quick run through of it
[01:17:22.420 --> 01:17:25.420]  You'll be in a better position to question me
[01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:31.420]  You know, that's frustrating, because I get that a lot
[01:17:31.420 --> 01:17:38.420]  I get someone making an unfounded assertion, and then based on that assertion, they make another assertion
[01:17:38.420 --> 01:17:40.420]  And based on that one, another one, another one, another one
[01:17:40.420 --> 01:17:42.420]  And they say, wait, wait, wait, let me get through all of it
[01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:45.420]  And now they're ten assertions deep
[01:17:45.420 --> 01:17:50.420]  But it's not an assertion, these are by the 66 records
[01:17:50.420 --> 01:17:54.420]  We've contacted them and seen that they have the process
[01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:57.420]  Why would you have an authentication process for your birth certificate?
[01:17:57.420 --> 01:18:02.420]  You've been here longer than me, you've been alive longer than me, and you've never heard of it
[01:18:02.420 --> 01:18:08.420]  Yeah, I know of a good reason why they do that, and it's not the way that people are theorizing
[01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:16.420]  If I needed to go over to Italy, and I needed to show them that I have a birth certificate
[01:18:16.420 --> 01:18:23.420]  Then they don't have any such thing as a notary public that is an intergalactic notary public
[01:18:23.420 --> 01:18:30.420]  So they're going to need to see not only a notary stamp from where my birth certificate really came from
[01:18:30.420 --> 01:18:39.420]  But they also need that notary to have another stamp from somebody that can speak for that notary
[01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:47.420]  Generally it's the secretary of state, and an apostille says, I am the secretary of state
[01:18:47.420 --> 01:18:53.420]  And I know this notary to be a proper notary
[01:18:53.420 --> 01:18:55.420]  That's one part of it
[01:18:55.420 --> 01:18:57.420]  That's the only part of it
[01:18:58.420 --> 01:19:02.420]  That's the legit reason why somebody would want to do this double certification stamp
[01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:12.420]  It just establishes that they're in Italy, they look at a notary in Texas, they don't know anything about that notary
[01:19:12.420 --> 01:19:17.420]  So the state of Texas verifies that this is a proper notary
[01:19:17.420 --> 01:19:19.420]  That's all an apostille is
[01:19:19.420 --> 01:19:24.420]  That is true, I did the research, that is true, but that's not the only thing it does
[01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:26.420]  What else?
[01:19:26.420 --> 01:19:31.420]  It allows you to change your birth certificate
[01:19:31.420 --> 01:19:34.420]  And get yourself in a different jurisdiction?
[01:19:34.420 --> 01:19:39.420]  You're making a proactive statement of law now
[01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:41.420]  Where is that in law?
[01:19:41.420 --> 01:19:58.420]  Let's do this tomorrow, I've got a couple more callers, we'll have more time tomorrow
[01:19:58.420 --> 01:20:02.420]  This is a subject I want to understand better
[01:20:02.420 --> 01:20:09.420]  And it gives me unbelievable frustration
[01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:15.420]  If there is any law behind it, it should be good, somebody could pull it up after all these decades
[01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:28.420]  Once you get that authenticated birth certificate, that allows you to get a non-citizen national passport
[01:20:28.420 --> 01:20:34.420]  I've heard of those and I haven't found any value, let's talk about that tomorrow though
[01:20:34.420 --> 01:20:39.420]  I've seen someone hand it to the cops and the cops will go away
[01:20:39.420 --> 01:20:42.420]  I've heard that kind of stuff, I haven't seen it
[01:20:42.420 --> 01:20:45.420]  Let's talk about it tomorrow
[01:20:45.420 --> 01:20:49.420]  I'm just letting you know, with his information I understand jurisdiction better now
[01:20:49.420 --> 01:20:51.420]  And everything makes sense
[01:20:51.420 --> 01:20:55.420]  Okay good, let's talk about it tomorrow
[01:20:55.420 --> 01:21:00.420]  Now I'm going to go to Ralph in Texas, hello Ralph
[01:21:00.420 --> 01:21:03.420]  What do you have for us today?
[01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:07.420]  It's something like Joseph had earlier, I've got two issues
[01:21:07.420 --> 01:21:12.420]  And maybe could I make one suggestion about Marge?
[01:21:12.420 --> 01:21:13.420]  Yes
[01:21:13.420 --> 01:21:16.420]  Maybe we could have a philosophy hour
[01:21:16.420 --> 01:21:20.420]  Because I mean, no disrespect, I'm not making fun, but I agree with the law
[01:21:20.420 --> 01:21:24.420]  My son has a degree in philosophy
[01:21:24.420 --> 01:21:31.420]  A PhD in philosophy and he thinks he knows everything there is to know about everything
[01:21:31.420 --> 01:21:37.420]  So the capital names and all that, that has a place, but it's not law
[01:21:37.420 --> 01:21:40.420]  Okay, so my issue is...
[01:21:40.420 --> 01:21:45.420]  Okay, the all capitals has to do with teletype machines
[01:21:45.420 --> 01:21:49.420]  Do you guys know what a teletype machine is?
[01:21:49.420 --> 01:21:54.420]  I worked for teletype when I got back from Vietnam
[01:21:55.420 --> 01:22:04.420]  A teletype machine was what we used to after, that was an upgrade on telegraph
[01:22:04.420 --> 01:22:11.420]  And telegraph machines only had uppercase
[01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:15.420]  Well yeah, Morse code only had uppercase
[01:22:15.420 --> 01:22:17.420]  That's all it was
[01:22:17.420 --> 01:22:21.420]  Anyway, okay, go ahead Ralph
[01:22:21.420 --> 01:22:22.420]  I never knew that
[01:22:22.420 --> 01:22:25.420]  Okay, so like I said, I've got two things here
[01:22:25.420 --> 01:22:29.420]  And this is the most confusing, well they're all confusing to me
[01:22:29.420 --> 01:22:34.420]  Is this taken before magistrate, before going to jail
[01:22:34.420 --> 01:22:37.420]  Being incarcerated actually, technically
[01:22:37.420 --> 01:22:39.420]  So is that in the constitution?
[01:22:39.420 --> 01:22:43.420]  Because I'm seeing it in statute and they say prompt
[01:22:43.420 --> 01:22:53.420]  Okay, there is nothing in Texas law that authorizes a policeman to arrest someone and take them to jail
[01:22:53.420 --> 01:22:55.420]  It doesn't exist
[01:22:55.420 --> 01:22:57.420]  Not a word
[01:22:57.420 --> 01:23:04.420]  There's only one reason a police officer can arrest a citizen
[01:23:04.420 --> 01:23:06.420]  What is that Ralph?
[01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:08.420]  To take him before magistrate
[01:23:08.420 --> 01:23:13.420]  That is the only reason they can arrest someone
[01:23:13.420 --> 01:23:18.420]  If the magistrate orders them to take them to jail, then they can
[01:23:18.420 --> 01:23:24.420]  But they didn't arrest them and take them to jail, they arrested them and took them to a magistrate
[01:23:24.420 --> 01:23:29.420]  That's been in law for 800 years
[01:23:29.420 --> 01:23:32.420]  And served us well
[01:23:32.420 --> 01:23:36.420]  Yes, so if a state statute
[01:23:36.420 --> 01:23:38.420]  Unfortunately I'm not in Texas
[01:23:38.420 --> 01:23:48.420]  If a state statute says that a arresting officer may take the person to jail and have them booked in
[01:23:48.420 --> 01:23:52.420]  Specifically says go to jail to be booked in
[01:23:52.420 --> 01:23:56.420]  How can a constitutional challenge be made to that?
[01:23:56.420 --> 01:24:02.420]  If a state statute says arrest them and take them to be booked in
[01:24:02.420 --> 01:24:13.420]  Okay, I have to look at the federal requirement for procedural due process
[01:24:13.420 --> 01:24:18.420]  I mean as reflected in Gerstein Pugh
[01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:24.420]  Yes, before the state can accrue subject matter jurisdiction over a criminal act
[01:24:24.420 --> 01:24:29.420]  There must be a determination by a judicial officer
[01:24:29.420 --> 01:24:35.420]  If a policeman arrests someone and takes them to jail, they don't have jurisdiction yet
[01:24:35.420 --> 01:24:44.420]  If I remember correctly, Gerstein Pugh was saying that there couldn't be a substantial restraint of the person's liberty
[01:24:44.420 --> 01:24:48.420]  Prior to a probable cause of determination by a magistrate
[01:24:48.420 --> 01:24:52.420]  They called it a judicial determination
[01:24:52.420 --> 01:24:56.420]  Having my butt thrown in the can, that's pretty substantial
[01:24:56.420 --> 01:24:58.420]  Exactly
[01:24:58.420 --> 01:25:03.420]  Now giving me a notice to appear, that's not quite so substantial
[01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:06.420]  Or just a summons, that's not so substantial
[01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:09.420]  But throwing my behind in jail is pretty substantial
[01:25:09.420 --> 01:25:14.420]  They ripped you out of your life in the middle of minding your own affairs
[01:25:14.420 --> 01:25:19.420]  Ripped you out of an orderly life if I remember right
[01:25:20.420 --> 01:25:25.420]  That language you're using right there is my second question
[01:25:25.420 --> 01:25:30.420]  Okay, so Gerstein Pugh, I should be able to find that on Google Scholar
[01:25:30.420 --> 01:25:34.420]  Oh yeah, that's Seminole case, that'll bounce up quickly
[01:25:34.420 --> 01:25:38.420]  I've heard you talk about it a lot, I thought I had it but I couldn't find it
[01:25:38.420 --> 01:25:45.420]  Okay, so my next issue is due process aka procedural versus substantial
[01:25:45.420 --> 01:25:49.420]  So most of what we're dealing with is procedural due process
[01:25:49.420 --> 01:25:54.420]  So as I understand it, and you've pretty much said this, I couldn't do it word for word
[01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:59.420]  Was that not anyone can violate due process
[01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:02.420]  It has to be someone acting under color of law, correct?
[01:26:02.420 --> 01:26:07.420]  No, I could do a citizen's arrest review
[01:26:07.420 --> 01:26:09.420]  That's right
[01:26:09.420 --> 01:26:14.420]  In which case I would, any time, me as a private citizen
[01:26:14.420 --> 01:26:23.420]  If I do something that has a statutory prescription in how it is to be done
[01:26:23.420 --> 01:26:28.420]  And what I do affects the rights of someone else
[01:26:28.420 --> 01:26:31.420]  And I don't do it according to that statutory prescription
[01:26:31.420 --> 01:26:34.420]  Then I'm violating due process
[01:26:35.420 --> 01:26:42.420]  The primary one that stands out is if I do a citizen's arrest
[01:26:42.420 --> 01:26:47.420]  If I do a citizen's arrest and don't take it directly to the nearest magistrate
[01:26:47.420 --> 01:26:50.420]  I've violated procedural due process
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[01:30:22.420 --> 01:30:30.420]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, we're at Fountain Rule of Law Radio
[01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:32.420]  And we're talking to Ralph in Texas
[01:30:32.420 --> 01:30:38.420]  Ralph, are we talking to Ralph or are we talking to straw man Ralph?
[01:30:38.420 --> 01:30:43.420]  Now hang on, Ralph said that he is not in Texas
[01:30:43.420 --> 01:30:45.420]  He wished he would be in Texas
[01:30:45.420 --> 01:30:47.420]  Are you back in Louisiana now?
[01:30:47.420 --> 01:30:50.420]  Wait a minute, he's a coon ass? Are you a coon ass, Ralph?
[01:30:50.420 --> 01:30:54.420]  Thanks for reminding Randy there, Brett, appreciate that
[01:30:54.420 --> 01:31:01.420]  Sorry, but you were talking about, you wished you could use the Texas laws
[01:31:01.420 --> 01:31:03.420]  Does that mean, where are you?
[01:31:03.420 --> 01:31:05.420]  Louisiana
[01:31:05.420 --> 01:31:11.420]  Okay, so we'll have to find out what it is in Louisiana criminal procedure then
[01:31:11.420 --> 01:31:15.420]  Louisiana doesn't have criminal procedure
[01:31:15.420 --> 01:31:18.420]  It's a whole other animal
[01:31:19.420 --> 01:31:25.420]  In my opinion, I call Texas the worst police state in the history of mankind
[01:31:25.420 --> 01:31:30.420]  Well, that is except Oklahoma and Louisiana
[01:31:30.420 --> 01:31:34.420]  Yeah, I actually read that on the internet recently
[01:31:34.420 --> 01:31:38.420]  Okay, now look, let's get serious for a minute here, just for at least one minute
[01:31:38.420 --> 01:31:42.420]  You were doing real good and I was doing real good catching up with you
[01:31:42.420 --> 01:31:45.420]  Until you said something right there before the break
[01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:49.420]  Statutory something or other
[01:31:49.420 --> 01:31:53.420]  We were talking about due process
[01:31:53.420 --> 01:31:59.420]  And anybody, like citizen making arrests could violate due process
[01:31:59.420 --> 01:32:06.420]  And you said as long as it violated, got outside statutory, what, rules?
[01:32:06.420 --> 01:32:10.420]  It's not, it's statutory due process
[01:32:10.420 --> 01:32:14.420]  If the statute says you must do certain things
[01:32:14.420 --> 01:32:18.420]  You must take the arrested person before magistrate
[01:32:18.420 --> 01:32:22.420]  Well, even if the person doing the arrest is a citizen
[01:32:22.420 --> 01:32:25.420]  It's going to be Randy instead of a peace officer
[01:32:25.420 --> 01:32:30.420]  Well, the person still needs to be taken, the arrested person still needs to be taken before magistrate
[01:32:30.420 --> 01:32:35.420]  So he's saying that if Randy does something else, like he takes him to his own barn
[01:32:35.420 --> 01:32:41.420]  And strings him up in the barn and ropes him to a post or something
[01:32:41.420 --> 01:32:45.420]  If that's not in compliance with the statutory due process
[01:32:45.420 --> 01:32:49.420]  Well, I'm just going to keep him here in the barn until I take him to the magistrate tomorrow
[01:32:49.420 --> 01:32:54.420]  No, that's not, no way, can't do that
[01:32:54.420 --> 01:33:02.420]  Okay, now Louisiana actually has specific statutes for citizen's arrest
[01:33:02.420 --> 01:33:04.420]  I was surprised to read them
[01:33:04.420 --> 01:33:07.420]  But what if, and I don't know how to explain this really
[01:33:07.420 --> 01:33:12.420]  But what if the action that they're taking is not statutory?
[01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:15.420]  Then it's criminal
[01:33:15.420 --> 01:33:20.420]  If they're doing so under the color or pretense of an official capacity
[01:33:20.420 --> 01:33:27.420]  And their actions have the effect of denying a citizen full and free access to or enjoyment of a right, then it's a crime
[01:33:27.420 --> 01:33:30.420]  Okay, see, there you go, you've already done it before
[01:33:30.420 --> 01:33:32.420]  Now you've put the puzzle back together, okay
[01:33:33.420 --> 01:33:38.420]  Yes, enjoyment of a right, okay
[01:33:38.420 --> 01:33:46.420]  So what they're doing is an action that is not statutory
[01:33:46.420 --> 01:33:54.420]  And that's a due process violation because they're acting under cover of law and they do not have that authority
[01:33:54.420 --> 01:33:57.420]  Right, they're going to call it policy
[01:33:57.420 --> 01:34:05.420]  And I tell them on a regular basis, as far as I'm concerned, you can use your policy as toilet paper
[01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:10.420]  That policy may apply to you, it does not apply to me
[01:34:10.420 --> 01:34:18.420]  Yes, okay, these are things that I've heard you say before, but now you're kind of pushing the dust off of them, so to speak
[01:34:18.420 --> 01:34:22.420]  They're brought to the front and now I can focus on them
[01:34:22.420 --> 01:34:30.420]  Well, I'm trying to make a constitutional challenge that they do not want to hear
[01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:33.420]  So, do you like to hear it?
[01:34:33.420 --> 01:34:35.420]  Yes
[01:34:35.420 --> 01:34:41.420]  Okay, this has to do with drug screening
[01:34:41.420 --> 01:34:46.420]  It's commonly, I think they use different words for it, urine drug screening
[01:34:46.420 --> 01:34:53.420]  And my argument is that that is not a screening, it is a search
[01:34:53.420 --> 01:35:03.420]  A screening is a search by any other terms
[01:35:03.420 --> 01:35:05.420]  Yeah
[01:35:05.420 --> 01:35:08.420]  I stepped over you, what did you say, I'm sorry
[01:35:08.420 --> 01:35:13.420]  I said a screening is a search no matter what words they use
[01:35:13.420 --> 01:35:26.420]  Right, and my argument is that if a person was searched, most often they're searched, they're going to be required, or the searcher will be required to do it under video
[01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:32.420]  And they're required to have probable cause to do the search
[01:35:32.420 --> 01:35:37.420]  Right, and no probable cause at all exists for this
[01:35:37.420 --> 01:35:41.420]  The screening implies that they don't need probable cause
[01:35:41.420 --> 01:35:49.420]  These screenings when you go into a courthouse, they're illegal
[01:35:49.420 --> 01:35:53.420]  There is no statutory authority to do those searches
[01:35:53.420 --> 01:35:59.420]  No, in fact it's explicitly forbidden
[01:35:59.420 --> 01:36:03.420]  But it's so expedient
[01:36:03.420 --> 01:36:15.420]  Well, when I put these pieces together I was thinking, wait a minute, there are so many people complaining about these urine drugs in schools and sports and all over the place
[01:36:15.420 --> 01:36:21.420]  And some places they would seem to apply, like especially in sports
[01:36:21.420 --> 01:36:28.420]  But how can they do this, and I've heard of them doing it in traffic stops and different places
[01:36:28.420 --> 01:36:38.420]  Okay, they can do it in sports because the sport is a privilege that's granted to the people in sports
[01:36:38.420 --> 01:36:48.420]  Like if it's children in sports, that's a privilege, that's not something that's required by the school, that's generally something you have to volunteer for
[01:36:48.420 --> 01:36:51.420]  And they can lay conditions on volunteering
[01:36:51.420 --> 01:36:53.420]  Sure
[01:36:53.420 --> 01:36:57.420]  That's essentially contractual
[01:36:57.420 --> 01:37:02.420]  But be going into a courthouse, there's no contract there
[01:37:02.420 --> 01:37:07.420]  And that just hasn't been a fight I wanted to have
[01:37:07.420 --> 01:37:12.420]  I had other fights to take on bigger than that one
[01:37:12.420 --> 01:37:20.420]  But it does deny procedural due process, improper search
[01:37:20.420 --> 01:37:23.420]  Right
[01:37:23.420 --> 01:37:27.420]  I kind of feel like I'm trapped into this, I don't have a choice
[01:37:27.420 --> 01:37:37.420]  But that's one of the several things I'm making a constitutional challenge on, is limited access to public buildings
[01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:42.420]  Some public buildings are searched before you go into, and some you're not
[01:37:42.420 --> 01:37:45.420]  So that's just that
[01:37:45.420 --> 01:37:54.420]  Look, I think you've got more callers, and you gave me a plane to work with, I guess I need to study up on Gerstein Pugh, and I appreciate it
[01:37:54.420 --> 01:38:00.420]  Yeah, and we got Tina next, and you know how churlish Tina can get
[01:38:00.420 --> 01:38:08.420]  I know how entertaining she is, and one day she's going to put a whip on you, boy
[01:38:08.420 --> 01:38:13.420]  I only say that because she's 2,000 miles away
[01:38:13.420 --> 01:38:16.420]  I believe that too
[01:38:16.420 --> 01:38:20.420]  Tina's actually a sweetheart, right Tina?
[01:38:20.420 --> 01:38:30.420]  Well, I am most of the time, but I think I've been very churlish with the appellate court in the last day
[01:38:30.420 --> 01:38:33.420]  What have you been up to?
[01:38:33.420 --> 01:38:43.420]  Well, I got a little failed at them because they denied my appeal, though there was a dissenting
[01:38:43.420 --> 01:38:53.420]  One of the judges dissented and said I should have had an amendment, but they denied my appeal, so I've appealed that appeal
[01:38:54.420 --> 01:39:04.420]  And I found some things out that I didn't have a chance to do that before, and I put it in my appellate brief
[01:39:04.420 --> 01:39:10.420]  And I don't think they're going to like it
[01:39:10.420 --> 01:39:13.420]  And I don't care
[01:39:13.420 --> 01:39:20.420]  This is one of the bankruptcies that one guy filed in Tennessee
[01:39:20.420 --> 01:39:28.420]  And he owed me some money and was paying sporadically, saying we're never going to file bankruptcy
[01:39:28.420 --> 01:39:33.420]  We're absolutely going to pay you what you owe you, da da da da
[01:39:33.420 --> 01:39:36.420]  And they filed Chapter 7
[01:39:36.420 --> 01:39:51.420]  He has a $17 million judgment from the FTC against him for very nefarious actions
[01:39:51.420 --> 01:39:56.420]  Plus he has other things, many, many, many, many, many, many debts
[01:39:56.420 --> 01:40:04.420]  And of course, I filed an adversary proceeding and the judge says, oh, you have to get an attorney because you're not going to win if you don't have an attorney
[01:40:04.420 --> 01:40:09.420]  I said, well, if you'd like to appoint one for me, that's the court's cost, I'd be happy to accept one
[01:40:09.420 --> 01:40:16.420]  Well, we can't do that, I said, well, then I can't have one because he's got my money and I don't have any money to hire one
[01:40:16.420 --> 01:40:18.420]  So I'm just going to do my best
[01:40:18.420 --> 01:40:20.420]  Well, you can't win without an attorney
[01:40:20.420 --> 01:40:27.420]  Really? I didn't tell him I'd just won one, but you know, and you're trying to run me off the cliff and I'm not going to let you do that tonight, Wendy
[01:40:27.420 --> 01:40:31.420]  Okay, keep going, keep going, you've got plenty of time
[01:40:32.420 --> 01:40:34.420]  Oh, come on
[01:40:34.420 --> 01:40:39.420]  I've planned some really good stuff on this that we'll come back to after the break
[01:40:39.420 --> 01:40:45.420]  And I put some things in my appellate brief that I'm probably not supposed to put in, but I'll give it anyway
[01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:48.420]  Okay, with that, we'll be right back
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[01:43:13.420 --> 01:43:17.420]  Some things in this world I will never understand
[01:43:17.420 --> 01:43:21.420]  Some things I realize fully
[01:43:21.420 --> 01:43:26.420]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman
[01:43:26.420 --> 01:43:30.420]  Somebody's gonna police the police
[01:43:30.420 --> 01:43:34.420]  There's always a room at the top of the hill
[01:43:34.420 --> 01:43:39.420]  Here through the grave mine and it's lonely left too
[01:43:39.420 --> 01:43:43.420]  They're wishing it was more than a position to fill
[01:43:43.420 --> 01:43:47.420]  They know that if they don't do it, somebody will
[01:43:47.420 --> 01:43:51.420]  Some things in this world I will never understand
[01:43:51.420 --> 01:43:55.420]  Some things I realize fully
[01:43:55.420 --> 01:44:00.420]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman
[01:44:00.420 --> 01:44:04.420]  Somebody's gonna police the police
[01:44:09.420 --> 01:44:14.420]  I'm listening to Ms. Sweet Tina in Texas, in California
[01:44:14.420 --> 01:44:17.420]  How are things going in California?
[01:44:17.420 --> 01:44:19.420]  Yeah, you'd be in trouble if she were in Texas
[01:44:19.420 --> 01:44:22.420]  Yeah, I would, I'd have to
[01:44:22.420 --> 01:44:25.420]  Okay, let's get it going live
[01:44:25.420 --> 01:44:27.420]  How are things going in Texas?
[01:44:27.420 --> 01:44:30.420]  You know, we're here in Texas
[01:44:30.420 --> 01:44:37.420]  We're in Texas and we hear all this stuff about California and we think it's just in this calamity there
[01:44:37.420 --> 01:44:40.420]  Some may suspect it's not
[01:44:40.420 --> 01:44:42.420]  No, it's not
[01:44:42.420 --> 01:44:48.420]  It's just the press being stupid again and trying to persuade people that we're all dying
[01:44:48.420 --> 01:44:51.420]  The world is going to end
[01:44:51.420 --> 01:44:55.420]  Newsom's or Newscum is going to be the next president
[01:44:55.420 --> 01:44:59.420]  And everyone's got TDS here
[01:44:59.420 --> 01:45:02.420]  Well, I'd say not everyone
[01:45:02.420 --> 01:45:06.420]  Most of the people that I know around have TDS
[01:45:06.420 --> 01:45:10.420]  Probably 10% do not
[01:45:10.420 --> 01:45:14.420]  But it's just, it's just crazy
[01:45:14.420 --> 01:45:16.420]  I mean, you know
[01:45:16.420 --> 01:45:19.420]  What is that? What is TDS?
[01:45:19.420 --> 01:45:24.420]  TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome
[01:45:24.420 --> 01:45:27.420]  They panic, they're just stressed out
[01:45:27.420 --> 01:45:30.420]  Trump's taking us to the hell and back
[01:45:30.420 --> 01:45:32.420]  I mean, the stuff I hear
[01:45:32.420 --> 01:45:37.420]  And you can't talk to them about what happened in the last four years
[01:45:37.420 --> 01:45:42.420]  Because every time you mention it, they're like, well, Trump's a diss and Trump's a dad
[01:45:42.420 --> 01:45:45.420]  You know, it's just, there's no reasoning
[01:45:45.420 --> 01:45:48.420]  So I don't even bother
[01:45:48.420 --> 01:45:56.420]  What do they think about the latest stuff coming out about Obama and George Soros?
[01:45:56.420 --> 01:45:59.420]  They don't believe it
[01:45:59.420 --> 01:46:02.420]  That's a good way to deal with it
[01:46:02.420 --> 01:46:04.420]  How about that?
[01:46:04.420 --> 01:46:12.420]  They don't believe it because they've been programmed to believe for the last four years
[01:46:12.420 --> 01:46:17.420]  That everything Obama and Biden did was fine
[01:46:17.420 --> 01:46:19.420]  And George Soros is a saint
[01:46:19.420 --> 01:46:23.420]  And because he's funding all these left-wing stuff
[01:46:23.420 --> 01:46:28.420]  And the only bad person in the whole world is Trump
[01:46:29.420 --> 01:46:34.420]  You can't talk and you literally cannot reason with them
[01:46:34.420 --> 01:46:39.420]  I've got a book right here in front of me that I keep on my desk
[01:46:39.420 --> 01:46:43.420]  It's called Nonsense by Robert Gula
[01:46:43.420 --> 01:46:50.420]  And he has a section in there on how to deal with a fanatic
[01:46:51.420 --> 01:46:53.420]  Don't
[01:46:53.420 --> 01:46:58.420]  That's it on how to deal with a fanatic
[01:46:58.420 --> 01:47:00.420]  Don't bother
[01:47:00.420 --> 01:47:03.420]  You're not going to get anywhere
[01:47:03.420 --> 01:47:05.420]  I'm amazed that we have a whole state
[01:47:05.420 --> 01:47:12.420]  I've got a younger brother who's in Los Angeles, Long Beach
[01:47:12.420 --> 01:47:18.420]  And he's absolutely insanely enraged about Trump
[01:47:18.420 --> 01:47:20.420]  I don't get it
[01:47:20.420 --> 01:47:26.420]  There have been public officials that I really did not like
[01:47:26.420 --> 01:47:29.420]  But never anything
[01:47:29.420 --> 01:47:31.420]  I just disagreed with them
[01:47:31.420 --> 01:47:33.420]  Didn't like them, thought they were jerks
[01:47:33.420 --> 01:47:36.420]  But just like ordinary people are sometimes jerks
[01:47:36.420 --> 01:47:41.420]  This insanity about Trump, I don't get it
[01:47:41.420 --> 01:47:43.420]  I don't either
[01:47:43.420 --> 01:47:47.420]  And you know what? They say to me, well, Trump is killing everything
[01:47:47.420 --> 01:47:51.420]  He's taking away this and he's taking away that and he's taking away Medicaid
[01:47:51.420 --> 01:47:55.420]  And the only people that support Trump are people who don't care about others
[01:47:55.420 --> 01:47:58.420]  And I said to them, one of them I said, really?
[01:47:58.420 --> 01:48:00.420]  And they said, what do you mean?
[01:48:00.420 --> 01:48:04.420]  They said, well, the Democrats, we take care of the people
[01:48:04.420 --> 01:48:06.420]  I said, really?
[01:48:06.420 --> 01:48:12.420]  They said, so the fact that I spend 40 to 50 hours a week volunteering
[01:48:12.420 --> 01:48:16.420]  To do food rescue for the homeless shelter
[01:48:16.420 --> 01:48:19.420]  And flower rescue for the seniors
[01:48:19.420 --> 01:48:24.420]  And cooking for the ambulance service
[01:48:24.420 --> 01:48:28.420]  I said, am I supposed to be a Democrat because I do that?
[01:48:28.420 --> 01:48:31.420]  Republicans don't do that?
[01:48:31.420 --> 01:48:35.420]  And they said, well, no Republicans do that
[01:48:35.420 --> 01:48:39.420]  I said, I'm a Republican
[01:48:39.420 --> 01:48:42.420]  And I do it every day
[01:48:42.420 --> 01:48:46.420]  And I don't complain about you and your beliefs
[01:48:46.420 --> 01:48:53.420]  But you're telling me that what I do is not accepted
[01:48:53.420 --> 01:48:56.420]  So I just don't argue with him anymore
[01:48:56.420 --> 01:49:00.420]  I just do my stuff and I do my work and I'm just like, okay
[01:49:00.420 --> 01:49:06.420]  You've got the syndrome, I don't, I'll let you go
[01:49:06.420 --> 01:49:11.420]  But anyway, on to what I am doing here
[01:49:11.420 --> 01:49:15.420]  I have this issue with somebody who filed bankruptcy
[01:49:15.420 --> 01:49:19.420]  Who owes me money, they filed it in Tennessee
[01:49:19.420 --> 01:49:24.420]  They, the DC got a judgment of 17 million against them
[01:49:24.420 --> 01:49:28.420]  For all the, you know, the CRAP they do
[01:49:28.420 --> 01:49:31.420]  And the judge is just that I can't win
[01:49:31.420 --> 01:49:34.420]  And they ruled against me because I don't have an attorney
[01:49:34.420 --> 01:49:36.420]  And because I went in formal paupers
[01:49:36.420 --> 01:49:39.420]  And they had to grant it to me from what I filed
[01:49:39.420 --> 01:49:42.420]  But they didn't like it, so they said, well, we're denying your motion
[01:49:42.420 --> 01:49:45.420]  On the same day they granted me the IFP
[01:49:45.420 --> 01:49:48.420]  And they didn't allow me a chance to amend
[01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:51.420]  And so I filed an appeal
[01:49:51.420 --> 01:49:55.420]  And that was denied with one dissenting judge
[01:49:55.420 --> 01:49:57.420]  So I filed this other appeal
[01:49:57.420 --> 01:50:02.420]  And I found out in the meantime that this person
[01:50:02.420 --> 01:50:07.420]  Got four PPP loans, at least four
[01:50:07.420 --> 01:50:10.420]  All, you know, different businesses
[01:50:10.420 --> 01:50:15.420]  Slightly different names, two of which he named on his bankruptcy
[01:50:15.420 --> 01:50:18.420]  Two of which he did not name
[01:50:18.420 --> 01:50:21.420]  So he did not admit having these
[01:50:21.420 --> 01:50:25.420]  And every single loan was granted on the same day
[01:50:25.420 --> 01:50:28.420]  Every single loan app that I saw
[01:50:28.420 --> 01:50:32.420]  Had the same exact application information
[01:50:32.420 --> 01:50:38.420]  Every single one of them was, you know, forgiven
[01:50:38.420 --> 01:50:43.420]  Within 10 to 14 months of getting the application
[01:50:43.420 --> 01:50:46.420]  But they didn't mention any of that in the bankruptcy
[01:50:46.420 --> 01:50:50.420]  Second thing is they had this
[01:50:50.420 --> 01:50:52.420]  What I call a luxury home
[01:50:52.420 --> 01:50:56.420]  And anybody on this call who sees this home would think it
[01:50:56.420 --> 01:51:00.420]  It's kind of a, maybe an Italian, French
[01:51:00.420 --> 01:51:03.420]  Mansion, turrets, everything
[01:51:03.420 --> 01:51:08.420]  1.6 acres, Randy, you'll know, 1.6 acres
[01:51:08.420 --> 01:51:12.420]  6,000 square foot home in Franklin, Tennessee
[01:51:12.420 --> 01:51:16.420]  Is a mansion, right?
[01:51:16.420 --> 01:51:21.420]  And it's worth, right now it's worth 1.6 million
[01:51:21.420 --> 01:51:24.420]  And he managed to mortgage it up to the hilt
[01:51:24.420 --> 01:51:31.420]  Just to the amount that he was allowed to keep the equity that was left
[01:51:31.420 --> 01:51:35.420]  So what I did is, because the judges don't see this
[01:51:35.420 --> 01:51:37.420]  They don't see the pictures, they just see as a home
[01:51:37.420 --> 01:51:41.420]  And he's managed to, you know, game the system
[01:51:41.420 --> 01:51:46.420]  I printed out color pictures of this home
[01:51:46.420 --> 01:51:50.420]  I would love to live in this home
[01:51:50.420 --> 01:51:55.420]  And I put that into my appellate brief that I just sent them
[01:51:55.420 --> 01:51:59.420]  And I put that this is the debtor's luxury home
[01:51:59.420 --> 01:52:03.420]  You know, bought at the expense of creditors
[01:52:03.420 --> 01:52:07.420]  When he's telling them he doesn't have any money to pay their debt
[01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:10.420]  And he refinanced it up to yin yang
[01:52:10.420 --> 01:52:15.420]  To maximize his equity
[01:52:15.420 --> 01:52:22.420]  And everything again at the expense of, you know, killing the creditors
[01:52:22.420 --> 01:52:25.420]  The judges aren't going to look that home up
[01:52:25.420 --> 01:52:28.420]  They're not going to look up the pictures and see
[01:52:28.420 --> 01:52:33.420]  Wow, this is absolute a luxury home
[01:52:33.420 --> 01:52:37.420]  So I thought I'd put the picture in front of them for them
[01:52:37.420 --> 01:52:42.420]  I'm sure his attorney is going to object the fact that I did that
[01:52:42.420 --> 01:52:44.420]  And I don't care
[01:52:44.420 --> 01:52:49.420]  But a picture is worth a thousand words, don't you think?
[01:52:49.420 --> 01:52:55.420]  And if they see that he has bought this absolutely luxury mansion
[01:52:55.420 --> 01:53:01.420]  That he wants to keep and dismiss everyone else's debt to the ozone
[01:53:01.420 --> 01:53:09.420]  Maybe they'll have second thoughts on how good this person is or how bad he is
[01:53:09.420 --> 01:53:10.420]  What do you think?
[01:53:10.420 --> 01:53:12.420]  I don't think anyone's done that before
[01:53:12.420 --> 01:53:19.420]  Where they plaster all the pictures of his luxury homes into the court
[01:53:19.420 --> 01:53:26.420]  Am I being childish or not?
[01:53:26.420 --> 01:53:29.420]  Rhett, can you respond to that? I'm struggling to hear
[01:53:29.420 --> 01:53:32.420]  No, I kind of got lost in there
[01:53:32.420 --> 01:53:40.420]  Sorry, I got a little turned around
[01:53:40.420 --> 01:53:43.420]  Can you clarify?
[01:53:43.420 --> 01:53:47.420]  I'm struggling with this new system
[01:53:47.420 --> 01:53:48.420]  Your sound is so low
[01:53:48.420 --> 01:53:50.420]  It's very hard
[01:53:50.420 --> 01:53:54.420]  And I've got it up as large, as high as I can get it
[01:53:54.420 --> 01:53:58.420]  And it's funny because you can't hear other people sometimes
[01:53:58.420 --> 01:54:01.420]  But I can hear what they're saying
[01:54:01.420 --> 01:54:04.420]  But you're telling them you can't hear them
[01:54:04.420 --> 01:54:10.420]  I can hear you, but it's like I'm getting all bass
[01:54:10.420 --> 01:54:14.420]  Okay, I'm hard of hearing
[01:54:14.420 --> 01:54:17.420]  We just only have one minute left
[01:54:17.420 --> 01:54:19.420]  So see if you can rephrase it
[01:54:19.420 --> 01:54:25.420]  Am I being childish for putting in pictures of this guy's luxury home
[01:54:25.420 --> 01:54:30.420]  And outing the fact that he has this absolutely unbelievable
[01:54:30.420 --> 01:54:32.420]  Oh, I see what you're saying
[01:54:32.420 --> 01:54:34.420]  No, I would say you're not
[01:54:34.420 --> 01:54:37.420]  I would say that's perfectly fitting and appropriate
[01:54:37.420 --> 01:54:38.420]  It sets the stage for the...
[01:54:38.420 --> 01:54:40.420]  You're trying to paint a picture here
[01:54:40.420 --> 01:54:43.420]  And having photo evidence
[01:54:43.420 --> 01:54:47.420]  Of a home he don't own, then it's better than his
[01:54:47.420 --> 01:54:49.420]  It's phenomenal
[01:54:49.420 --> 01:54:50.420]  I'm going to send it to you
[01:54:50.420 --> 01:54:52.420]  It's absolutely incredible
[01:54:52.420 --> 01:54:55.420]  And he's trying to keep it and deny everyone else
[01:54:55.420 --> 01:54:59.420]  And you're running me off the cliff
[01:54:59.420 --> 01:55:02.420]  Well, it's the end of the broadcast this evening
[01:55:02.420 --> 01:55:04.420]  We'll be back on tomorrow night
[01:55:04.420 --> 01:55:08.420]  But I do not think that that's churlish or boorish or anything
[01:55:08.420 --> 01:55:11.420]  I think that's perfectly appropriate
[01:55:11.420 --> 01:55:15.420]  Yeah, I should be able to keep my 20-story mansion
[01:55:15.420 --> 01:55:19.420]  Just because I owe you millions
[01:55:20.420 --> 01:55:23.420]  I'll send it to you and you can tell me
[01:55:23.420 --> 01:55:25.420]  Yeah, call in tomorrow and we'll talk about that
[01:55:25.420 --> 01:55:27.420]  And I'll talk about the governor of Texas
[01:55:27.420 --> 01:55:30.420]  Who did something exactly like that when we bankrupted
[01:55:30.420 --> 01:55:34.420]  He kept his three-story mansion
[01:55:34.420 --> 01:55:36.420]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Wheelbarrow Radio
[01:55:36.420 --> 01:55:38.420]  Good night