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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.640]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.640 --> 00:09.080]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[00:09.080 --> 00:10.560]  Our liberty depends on it.
[00:10.560 --> 00:14.460]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember
[00:14.460 --> 00:17.360]  one of your constitutional rights.
[00:17.360 --> 00:18.960]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.960 --> 00:22.560]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.560 --> 00:27.320]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:27.320 --> 00:32.480]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.480 --> 00:35.080]  Privacy, it's worth hanging onto.
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[00:46.240 --> 00:50.360]  Most of us know that taking the fifth means you're choosing to remain silent about a criminal
[00:50.360 --> 00:51.360]  matter.
[00:51.360 --> 00:55.060]  It's a good way to remember that the Fifth Amendment spells out what can and can't happen
[00:55.060 --> 00:57.600]  to you when you're accused of a criminal offense.
[00:57.600 --> 01:01.840]  The Fifth guarantees due process, prohibits trying someone more than once for the same
[01:01.840 --> 01:04.420]  crime, and lets you keep your mouth shut.
[01:04.420 --> 01:09.560]  The Founding Fathers inserted these constitutional provisions to protect citizens from torture.
[01:09.560 --> 01:14.000]  Back in the day, governments often used painful methods to extract confessions.
[01:14.000 --> 01:17.960]  The Fifth Amendment also prohibits the government from taking your house and land without paying
[01:17.960 --> 01:18.960]  you for it.
[01:18.960 --> 01:20.200]  That used to happen a lot too.
[01:20.200 --> 01:22.080]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[01:22.080 --> 01:32.000]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:32.000 --> 01:35.760]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution.
[01:35.760 --> 01:39.400]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:39.400 --> 01:40.880]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:40.880 --> 01:44.760]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember
[01:44.760 --> 01:47.760]  one of your constitutional rights.
[01:47.760 --> 01:49.360]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:49.360 --> 01:52.960]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:52.960 --> 01:57.760]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:57.760 --> 02:02.880]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[02:02.880 --> 02:05.520]  Privacy, it's worth hanging onto.
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[02:16.280 --> 02:19.080]  The number 666 reminds me of evil.
[02:19.080 --> 02:23.760]  I also associate it with the sick feeling one might get when falsely accused of a heinous
[02:23.760 --> 02:28.280]  crime, or when thinking about sickos who actually do commit acts of murder and mayhem.
[02:28.280 --> 02:33.880]  Either way, the number 666 can help you remember that the Sixth Amendment deals with the constitutionally
[02:33.880 --> 02:37.160]  guaranteed rights Americans have in a criminal trial.
[02:37.160 --> 02:41.440]  Those include the right to a speedy public trial, the right to an impartial jury, the
[02:41.440 --> 02:45.440]  right to full information about the charges, the right to an attorney, and the right to
[02:45.440 --> 02:48.080]  confront any witnesses face to face.
[02:48.080 --> 02:51.760]  666, sick, sickos, and the Sixth Amendment.
[02:51.760 --> 02:52.760]  Get it?
[02:52.760 --> 02:53.960]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[02:53.960 --> 03:22.720]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:24.280 --> 03:25.800]  Yeah!
[03:25.800 --> 03:28.960]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna Do?
[03:28.960 --> 03:33.120]  Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You?
[03:33.120 --> 03:35.920]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna Do?
[03:35.920 --> 03:38.840]  Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For You?
[03:38.840 --> 03:43.600]  When you were 8 and you had bad traits You'd go to school and learn the golden rule
[03:43.600 --> 03:46.960]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[03:46.960 --> 03:51.520]  If you get hot then you must get cool Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna Do?
[03:51.520 --> 03:59.700]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do When they come for you
[03:59.700 --> 04:01.640]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one
[04:01.640 --> 04:05.300]  You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[04:05.300 --> 04:09.340]  You chuck it on your brother and you chuck it on your sister
[04:09.340 --> 04:11.060]  and your jacket on me
[04:11.240 --> 04:12.800]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:12.860 --> 04:14.140]  What you gonna do?
[04:14.340 --> 04:16.540]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:16.540 --> 04:18.280]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:18.520 --> 04:19.840]  What you gonna do?
[04:19.840 --> 04:21.960]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:22.260 --> 04:23.980]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:23.980 --> 04:25.340]  What you gonna do?
[04:25.340 --> 04:27.620]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:27.620 --> 04:28.920]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:29.200 --> 04:30.740]  What you gonna do?
[04:30.740 --> 04:33.040]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:33.240 --> 04:35.860]  Nobody giving no break
[04:36.020 --> 04:38.080]  Police not breaking no break
[04:38.080 --> 04:50.940]  Bad boys, bad boys, oh whatcha gonna do, Oh whatcha gonna do, when they come for you
[04:50.940 --> 04:54.880]  Oh bad boys, bad boys, oh whatcha gonna do, Oh whatcha gonna do, when they come for you
[04:54.880 --> 04:57.940]  Oh bad boys, bad boys, oh whatcha gonna do, Oh whatcha gonna do, when they come for you
[04:57.940 --> 05:00.440]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:00.440 --> 05:03.440]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[05:03.440 --> 05:27.940]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:27.940 --> 05:30.940]  Why did you have to act so mean?
[05:30.940 --> 05:33.440]  Don't you know you're a human being?
[05:33.440 --> 05:35.940]  Born of a mother with a lover with a father
[05:35.940 --> 05:38.440]  Reflection comes and reflection goes
[05:38.440 --> 05:43.940]  I know sometimes you wanna let go
[05:43.940 --> 05:49.440]  I know sometimes you wanna let go
[05:49.440 --> 05:51.940]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[05:51.940 --> 05:59.940]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:59.940 --> 06:10.940]  You're too bad, you're too rude
[06:10.940 --> 06:13.940]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[06:13.940 --> 06:21.940]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:21.940 --> 06:24.940]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one
[06:24.940 --> 06:27.440]  You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[06:27.440 --> 06:29.940]  You chuck it on that one
[06:29.940 --> 06:32.940]  You chuck it on that one
[06:32.940 --> 06:35.440]  You chuck it on that one
[06:35.440 --> 06:38.440]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do
[06:38.440 --> 06:41.440]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:41.440 --> 06:43.940]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:43.940 --> 06:46.440]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:46.440 --> 06:49.440]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
[06:49.440 --> 06:52.940]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[06:52.940 --> 06:55.940]  day of unreasoned.
[06:55.940 --> 07:00.940]  Oh, that's why you were talking to Debra.
[07:00.940 --> 07:10.620]  Yes, Brett's not here today, I don't know what he's doing.
[07:10.620 --> 07:17.100]  He didn't tell me and I didn't ask, but it's just me and you, Dr. Graves.
[07:17.100 --> 07:21.340]  Do you have anything you'd like to address?
[07:21.340 --> 07:23.820]  No, not really.
[07:23.820 --> 07:30.620]  I just spent the whole day trying to illuminate people and I thought I'd listen to you and
[07:30.620 --> 07:32.260]  let you illuminate me.
[07:32.260 --> 07:36.780]  Oh no, that's not going to happen.
[07:36.780 --> 07:40.420]  Okay, I got my lawsuit filed.
[07:40.420 --> 07:43.420]  Maybe we can illuminate somebody, huh?
[07:43.420 --> 07:44.420]  Yes.
[07:44.420 --> 07:47.580]  Okay, I'm going to turn on the phone lines.
[07:47.580 --> 07:52.420]  I'll call in number 512-646-1984.
[07:52.420 --> 07:56.300]  If you have a question or a comment, give us a call, we'll be taking your calls all
[07:56.300 --> 07:57.300]  night.
[07:57.300 --> 08:01.740]  I'll start out this first segment by talking about this lawsuit I've been working on for
[08:01.740 --> 08:03.740]  some 30 years.
[08:03.740 --> 08:10.820]  I've been saying on the show that you can never expect to win your case simply because
[08:10.820 --> 08:14.420]  you have the law and the facts on your side.
[08:14.420 --> 08:16.660]  To think so is naive.
[08:16.660 --> 08:22.620]  You can expect to win your case if you have the politics on your side and all politics
[08:22.620 --> 08:24.620]  is local.
[08:24.620 --> 08:36.140]  With that in mind, I crafted a suit for the purpose of forcing the courts to change their
[08:36.140 --> 08:44.980]  practices from what they've been doing the last 40 years to bring them back in line with
[08:44.980 --> 08:49.580]  what the code requires them to do.
[08:49.580 --> 08:58.540]  The Magna Carta, I did a criminal complaint against the governor and in there I stated
[08:58.540 --> 09:07.340]  that this requirement that a sheriff, if he arrests someone for any reason, a freeman,
[09:07.340 --> 09:12.020]  he is to take that person directly to the nearest magistrate.
[09:12.020 --> 09:17.740]  When I filed the complaint against the governor, I put in there that this has been in law since
[09:17.740 --> 09:27.380]  the signing of the Magna Carta Libertatum, 1215 A.D., and later someone sent me an opinion
[09:27.380 --> 09:37.140]  by the Kentucky Supreme Court on this mask issue and it quoted that verbatim.
[09:37.140 --> 09:45.380]  It quoted not just Magna Carta but Magna Carta Libertatum, 1215 A.D., reference to the magistrate.
[09:45.380 --> 09:53.020]  Well, Dr. Graves, turned out there was something interesting about that.
[09:53.020 --> 09:56.540]  It wasn't true.
[09:56.540 --> 10:02.100]  I later found out that the requirement to take to a magistrate did not go into the Magna
[10:02.100 --> 10:11.980]  Carta until 1689.
[10:11.980 --> 10:16.780]  That says something about case law.
[10:16.780 --> 10:27.260]  Apparently these judges read my criminal complaint and didn't check and I find that all the
[10:27.260 --> 10:28.260]  time.
[10:28.260 --> 10:36.980]  I have changed my writing style, the way I write pleadings.
[10:36.980 --> 10:42.420]  What I do now is I put a heading on every paragraph.
[10:42.420 --> 10:48.700]  I started doing that to force me to stay on point.
[10:48.700 --> 10:56.380]  When I have a large document with a lot of issues, I tend to wander all over the place
[10:56.380 --> 10:58.140]  and that didn't work out so well.
[10:58.140 --> 11:01.620]  What I started doing is putting a heading on every paragraph.
[11:01.620 --> 11:08.780]  Sometimes I'll get two paragraphs under one heading but most of the time not.
[11:08.780 --> 11:16.180]  I intended to take all of those out but once I looked at the document, I decided to leave
[11:16.180 --> 11:18.620]  them in there.
[11:18.620 --> 11:24.780]  It does make my document somewhat longer but when you're reading the document, the first
[11:24.780 --> 11:32.220]  thing I do is tell you what I'm going to tell you and then right under there, I tell you.
[11:32.220 --> 11:35.900]  I set the reader up for what's coming next.
[11:35.900 --> 11:43.620]  This all comes from my extensive study on how to write well and then I came to this
[11:43.620 --> 11:45.660]  problem with case law.
[11:45.660 --> 11:55.060]  Dr. Grays, have you ever heard this saying that rights belong to the belligerent litigant?
[11:55.060 --> 12:01.900]  The enforcement does, yes, of course.
[12:01.900 --> 12:06.060]  I've been hearing that ever since I've been in legal reform.
[12:06.060 --> 12:11.340]  People were quoting that all the time, Johnson v. State.
[12:11.340 --> 12:15.460]  I opened Johnson v. State and sure enough, there it was.
[12:15.460 --> 12:23.220]  It attributed that statement to two other cases.
[12:23.220 --> 12:31.300]  Since it didn't make the statement itself but sent me to two other cases, I went to
[12:31.300 --> 12:37.780]  those cases and that's just what I've been making.
[12:37.780 --> 12:44.480]  If I cite a case, right under where I cited, I go to that case and pull the quotation out
[12:44.480 --> 12:48.900]  of the case, drop it into the document and set it in quotes.
[12:48.900 --> 12:55.880]  I shrink the single line, I shrink the fought by two, I shrink both margins so it stands
[12:55.880 --> 12:59.620]  out in the document one glance and you can tell that's where the quote starts, that's
[12:59.620 --> 13:01.620]  where the quote ends.
[13:01.620 --> 13:06.500]  I was looking for the actual quote for the original case.
[13:06.500 --> 13:16.340]  What I found is it wasn't in there, the two cases that Johnson referenced said nothing
[13:16.340 --> 13:18.340]  about that.
[13:18.340 --> 13:25.620]  You might have heard the statement in disqualifying judges.
[13:25.620 --> 13:30.660]  If all are disqualified, none are disqualified.
[13:30.660 --> 13:36.380]  I tried to look up that maxim and that maxim referred to two or three cases and I looked
[13:36.380 --> 13:44.220]  up those cases, they didn't say anything about that.
[13:44.220 --> 13:54.580]  It's getting pretty frustrating at how much of what I hear so often turns out to be bogus.
[13:54.580 --> 13:56.580]  I can't trust case law anymore.
[13:56.580 --> 13:59.900]  Well, you have to read it.
[13:59.900 --> 14:06.700]  I don't just read the head notes, I read the whole case.
[14:06.700 --> 14:07.700]  Exactly.
[14:07.700 --> 14:13.420]  That's what these lawyers are probably not doing.
[14:13.420 --> 14:17.740]  Happens all the time.
[14:17.740 --> 14:27.540]  I'm disturbed at how often I'm coming across this in things that are so prevalent that
[14:27.540 --> 14:32.260]  they're being cited all the time and just accepted out of hand because they're cited
[14:32.260 --> 14:33.260]  so often.
[14:33.260 --> 14:37.300]  Then when I go read the case, it's just all wrong.
[14:37.300 --> 14:40.300]  I know it's not there.
[14:40.300 --> 14:46.740]  It's either not there or they completely misinterpreted it.
[14:46.740 --> 14:57.380]  In this lawsuit that I filed, I went through the codes from the Constitution to the latest
[14:57.380 --> 15:10.540]  case law and walked through due process and looking up the cases that were used to support
[15:10.540 --> 15:18.940]  the practices that they're using, they were absolutely garbage.
[15:18.940 --> 15:23.860]  They simply didn't say what the court attributed to them.
[15:23.860 --> 15:30.540]  It's like the court just reached and pulled this case and used its name and assigned whatever
[15:30.540 --> 15:34.980]  they wanted to be in there to it.
[15:34.980 --> 15:41.980]  It turned out to be a much bigger problem than I had anticipated.
[15:41.980 --> 15:47.620]  I'm getting more and more careful about case law.
[15:47.620 --> 15:56.500]  The Patriot mythology guys, Dr. Graves, I'm sure you've noticed on my telegram channel
[15:56.500 --> 16:04.660]  that when we get one of those guys on there, we're generally not too nice to them.
[16:04.660 --> 16:13.180]  Sometimes you're downright rude and that's because that's an issue I have been dealing
[16:13.180 --> 16:18.540]  with for 30 years now.
[16:18.540 --> 16:25.940]  I try to be reasonable and I try to make sure I'm not close-minded.
[16:25.940 --> 16:33.060]  These people come in with these long, elaborate stories explaining what they're doing.
[16:33.060 --> 16:39.900]  That's where I came up with this rule, never make a proactive statement of law out of your
[16:39.900 --> 16:43.460]  own mouth.
[16:43.460 --> 16:44.460]  Yes, that's what they were doing.
[16:44.460 --> 16:52.300]  If you're going to make a statement of law, make it out of the statutes or the case law,
[16:52.300 --> 16:53.300]  not out of your mouth.
[16:53.300 --> 16:58.780]  I'll pick that up when we come back, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Move Law Radio, we'll
[16:58.780 --> 17:00.660]  be right back.
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[19:27.300 --> 19:32.300]  I wonder what they hide They don't have the answers
[19:32.300 --> 19:37.300]  Open up eyes They react with questions
[19:37.300 --> 19:42.300]  Look what we get And they don't have the answers
[19:42.300 --> 19:46.300]  I'm sloping, slipping, sliding I'm talking about the issues passing Lord
[19:46.300 --> 19:48.300]  How they want we to take it easy?
[19:48.300 --> 19:53.300]  Them I talk way too politically and them getting mad and angry
[19:53.300 --> 19:58.300]  But them not standing up and fight and fight for the freedom and be free
[19:58.300 --> 20:03.300]  And they like them love slavery and get handouts from the government
[20:03.300 --> 20:07.300]  Look what we get They react with questions
[20:07.300 --> 20:12.300]  Look what they hide They don't have the answers
[20:12.300 --> 20:17.300]  Open up eyes They react with questions
[20:17.300 --> 20:22.300]  Look what we get And they don't have the answers
[20:22.300 --> 20:25.360]  Open up eyes They26
[20:25.360 --> 20:28.300]  They til me Lord They must tip the country
[20:28.300 --> 20:28.300]  He's a bimbo
[20:28.300 --> 20:34.300]  Okay, we are back Randy Calvin at Red Fountain Blue Lear Radio
[20:34.300 --> 20:40.300]  and Dr. Graves now talking about this on the break
[20:40.300 --> 20:45.300]  It is a great frustration to me over these years
[20:45.300 --> 20:49.300]  and any of you who listened to this show quite a bit
[20:49.300 --> 20:57.320]  We'll recognize that when we get some of these guys on preaching this Patriot mythology,
[20:57.320 --> 21:10.140]  I tend to get a little bit animated, excited, PO'd, and it's because I've seen so many
[21:10.140 --> 21:12.360]  harm by Dr. Graves.
[21:12.360 --> 21:18.700]  On the break, you were talking about someone a few years ago who probably went to prison.
[21:18.700 --> 21:21.660]  Can you speak to that?
[21:21.660 --> 21:22.660]  He was a nice young man.
[21:22.660 --> 21:29.980]  We were doing a seminar just outside Washington, and some people brought him to me, and he
[21:29.980 --> 21:31.460]  said, can you help this man?
[21:31.460 --> 21:36.260]  And I heard his story, and it just broke my heart, because there was nothing I could do.
[21:36.260 --> 21:41.100]  Somebody had told him some kind of nonsense about a trust and the bankruptcy and that
[21:41.100 --> 21:47.060]  there were all these funds somewhere, and he somehow managed to buy or make a deal for
[21:47.060 --> 21:50.980]  a couple of houses, and it was fraud.
[21:50.980 --> 21:51.980]  He didn't know it was fraud.
[21:51.980 --> 21:53.980]  He thought he was doing the right thing.
[21:53.980 --> 21:58.260]  He seemed like a nice young man, but there wasn't anything I could do for him at that
[21:58.260 --> 21:59.260]  point.
[21:59.260 --> 22:04.220]  And, you know, gee, I didn't mean it is not a defense.
[22:04.220 --> 22:07.740]  And people are being misled by all this craziness.
[22:07.740 --> 22:10.660]  It makes you wonder, where is it really coming from?
[22:10.660 --> 22:14.700]  But it isn't kind, and people hear the rumor.
[22:14.700 --> 22:20.100]  They think that they can learn all of this stuff from amateurs, from other amateurs,
[22:20.100 --> 22:25.780]  and it's a rumor, and it's this thing, and a lot of it is a predicate of anger.
[22:25.780 --> 22:30.540]  People are just angry because they can't get what they want, and they promote this stuff,
[22:30.540 --> 22:31.780]  and it hurts other people.
[22:31.780 --> 22:37.180]  It doesn't just hurt the person that believes it, but it hurts other people who hear it
[22:37.180 --> 22:38.900]  and think, oh, I can do that.
[22:38.900 --> 22:39.900]  I can do that.
[22:39.900 --> 22:41.900]  And then they do it, and it doesn't work.
[22:41.900 --> 22:50.140]  And it backfires, and good people are being hurt by all this stuff being promulgated and
[22:50.140 --> 22:54.460]  promoted, which is just utter nonsense.
[22:54.460 --> 22:57.020]  I went to a hearing.
[22:57.020 --> 23:05.780]  This woman named Bonnie, she was associated with the Republic of Texas group, and this
[23:05.780 --> 23:10.300]  whole group wanted me to come down there and watch this hearing.
[23:10.300 --> 23:15.260]  So I went and watched the hearing, and I sat there about 10 minutes, and I had to get up
[23:15.260 --> 23:17.020]  and walk out.
[23:17.020 --> 23:24.780]  This was a contempt hearing, and a female judge, and this judge was doing everything
[23:24.780 --> 23:35.580]  she could to get Bonnie to give her just one reason why she should not hold her in contempt.
[23:35.580 --> 23:40.980]  And Bonnie was telling her, I can't enter a plea.
[23:40.980 --> 23:45.940]  I'm not before this court in my body.
[23:45.940 --> 23:50.420]  Don't exist in my straw man, and just on and on.
[23:50.420 --> 23:52.620]  And the judge was struggling.
[23:52.620 --> 23:54.740]  I felt for the judge.
[23:54.740 --> 24:00.700]  She really did not want to put this woman in jail, but Bonnie just gave her absolutely
[24:00.700 --> 24:03.060]  no option.
[24:03.060 --> 24:08.860]  She married this guy named David Strait.
[24:08.860 --> 24:17.860]  I listened to him, and he sounded like he genuinely believed what he was talking about.
[24:17.860 --> 24:27.820]  I was in Fort Worth, and he came to do a little 30-minute preview of what he was doing in
[24:27.820 --> 24:35.500]  the seminar, and I was a speaker there, and I had already done my presentation, and then
[24:35.500 --> 24:38.220]  David Strait was going to give this 30-minute talk.
[24:38.220 --> 24:42.460]  I sat there about five minutes, and I got up and left, and everybody there knew me,
[24:42.460 --> 24:44.460]  and I had just done a presentation.
[24:44.460 --> 24:47.300]  I had several of them come to me and said, where are you going?
[24:47.300 --> 24:54.260]  I said, man, if I stay here, there's going to be a fight.
[24:54.260 --> 25:02.820]  So I got to get out of here, and just a month or two ago, I hear that Bonnie had went into
[25:02.820 --> 25:08.420]  a courthouse and had a pistol, and forgot she had it, and was going back out to put
[25:08.420 --> 25:14.940]  it in the car, and they stopped her and found the pistol, charged her with it.
[25:14.940 --> 25:22.420]  She used this patriot mythology trash, and David Strait helped her, and he managed to
[25:22.420 --> 25:29.460]  get his new wife five years in prison.
[25:29.460 --> 25:32.020]  This was insane.
[25:32.020 --> 25:42.660]  I just had a guy out of Arizona, 86 years old, poor health, and he was handing out brochures
[25:42.660 --> 25:49.380]  for the Catholic Church, and they stopped him because he didn't have a permit.
[25:49.380 --> 25:55.540]  He was talking to these patriot guys in this, I forget what they call it, where they're
[25:55.540 --> 26:03.220]  producing their own grand juries together, and they're changing their status, and all
[26:03.220 --> 26:10.420]  kinds of malarkey nonsense, and he paid some guy several thousand dollars to help him,
[26:10.420 --> 26:12.780]  and the guy filed all kinds of garbage.
[26:12.780 --> 26:16.140]  They wound up arresting him twice.
[26:16.140 --> 26:24.300]  At this point, they found a pistol in his floorboard on the passenger side in a bag.
[26:24.300 --> 26:28.340]  The policeman asked him if he had a weapon on him, and he said no, and they found this
[26:28.340 --> 26:36.340]  pistol in the floorboard in a bag, unloaded and taken apart, and they charged him with
[26:36.340 --> 26:41.380]  failing to reveal that he had the pistol or something.
[26:41.380 --> 26:45.660]  That's just because they were so P.O.ed at him.
[26:45.660 --> 26:52.860]  They were working this guy over, so he comes to me and he's paying this guy that's helping
[26:52.860 --> 26:59.260]  him several thousand dollars, and he came to me and I said, what is all this, and he
[26:59.260 --> 27:04.900]  told me what they were doing, and I told him, is this the fight you want to have?
[27:04.900 --> 27:06.740]  Well, they're not doing things right.
[27:06.740 --> 27:15.180]  Yeah, I get that, but what is it you want to do with your life?
[27:15.180 --> 27:18.540]  Is this the hill you want to die on?
[27:18.540 --> 27:19.740]  What do you most want to do?
[27:19.740 --> 27:25.220]  He said, I want to promote the Catholic Church, and he was in Alcoholics Anonymous, NAA.
[27:25.220 --> 27:29.580]  Then, let me make a suggestion.
[27:29.580 --> 27:32.300]  I'm in pretty good shape.
[27:32.300 --> 27:35.260]  My kids are grown.
[27:35.260 --> 27:37.780]  I'm retired.
[27:37.780 --> 27:41.660]  I don't have any debt.
[27:41.660 --> 27:45.420]  I like to do this kind of stuff.
[27:45.420 --> 27:48.060]  Let me do this.
[27:48.060 --> 27:51.860]  You don't have to fight all these battles.
[27:51.860 --> 27:53.180]  Go back to doing what you're doing.
[27:53.180 --> 27:57.660]  I said, well, I've got all these charges against me, and I told him, well, contact
[27:57.660 --> 28:02.860]  the prosecutor and go down there and tell him that you were acting in good faith, and
[28:02.860 --> 28:08.420]  you talked to these people and they told you all this nonsense, and you subsequently found
[28:08.420 --> 28:15.620]  out that it was all nonsense, apologized to him for annoying him this way, and asked him,
[28:15.620 --> 28:19.420]  is there something we can do to make this go away?
[28:19.420 --> 28:23.100]  Two felonies and three misdemeanors.
[28:23.100 --> 28:28.340]  The prosecutor said that he understood how he was misled.
[28:28.340 --> 28:38.300]  If you have a $500 bond up, we'll drop the felonies in two of the misdemeanors, and if
[28:38.300 --> 28:47.220]  you use the $500, we'll charge you a $500 fine, and you can go home.
[28:47.220 --> 28:49.940]  Good for you.
[28:49.940 --> 28:52.020]  Why did he?
[28:52.020 --> 28:56.260]  He's been months fighting this.
[28:56.260 --> 29:02.060]  It just made me want to go down into Arizona and get this other guy by the throat, squeeze
[29:02.060 --> 29:04.900]  him until his eyes bugged out.
[29:04.900 --> 29:05.900]  How could he do?
[29:05.900 --> 29:08.380]  This was a really nice guy.
[29:08.380 --> 29:16.300]  Now, I'm not a Catholic, but I appreciate his belief system and his devotion to it, and
[29:16.300 --> 29:26.740]  for this guy to take someone as genuine as this person and just screw him over big time,
[29:26.740 --> 29:29.420]  I'm frustrated.
[29:29.420 --> 29:31.420]  This is not hard.
[29:31.420 --> 29:35.300]  Read the code.
[29:35.300 --> 29:41.500]  All that magic these guys want to give you, you'll find all that magic right there in
[29:41.500 --> 29:42.500]  the code.
[29:42.500 --> 29:49.660]  There is not a remedy that I need that I don't find right in that code, and I don't have
[29:49.660 --> 29:52.220]  problems with them coming after me.
[29:52.220 --> 29:54.780]  They won't stay away from me.
[29:54.780 --> 29:55.780]  Hang on.
[29:55.780 --> 30:01.860]  Red Kelton, Red Fountain, Rue of our radio, we'll be right back.
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[34:10.060 --> 34:11.060]  We are back.
[34:11.060 --> 34:14.060]  Randy Kelton of Brent Fountain, Rule of Law Radio.
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[34:18.060 --> 34:21.060]  We got the call lines open and nobody's on the board.
[34:21.060 --> 34:26.060]  So maybe everybody's out still getting over the Fourth of July weekend.
[34:26.060 --> 34:35.060]  But we were talking about the Patriot, the community, the Patriot mythology stuff.
[34:35.060 --> 34:41.060]  And I was in Massachusetts with Pastor Massad.
[34:41.060 --> 34:44.060]  And he had me sit as a judge in a mock trial.
[34:44.060 --> 34:52.060]  They had a kid there who had been filing liens against public officials in Pennsylvania.
[34:52.060 --> 34:56.060]  He was in Massachusetts, but he sent the liens.
[34:56.060 --> 35:05.060]  He had got a ticket or something in Pennsylvania and he filed on some public officials there and they prosecuted him.
[35:05.060 --> 35:13.060]  So they wanted to have a mock trial to give him some practice because he wanted to represent himself.
[35:13.060 --> 35:22.060]  He really exemplified the adage of what they say about a lawyer who represents himself.
[35:22.060 --> 35:26.060]  And he had a guy helping him.
[35:26.060 --> 35:33.060]  Now, I'm sitting here as the judge and it changed my perspective.
[35:33.060 --> 35:49.060]  I talk about when I'm trying to figure out a case, I ask people, have you ever played six moves in chess and then turned the board around?
[35:49.060 --> 35:54.060]  You'll be amazed at how different it looks from the other side.
[35:54.060 --> 36:02.060]  So he put me up there as the judge and now I'm not here arguing a case.
[36:02.060 --> 36:05.060]  I'm here having a case argued to me.
[36:05.060 --> 36:14.060]  And the only thing I can hear as the judge are facts and law as they apply to those facts.
[36:14.060 --> 36:20.060]  Well, these two guys are up there feeding me full of all kinds of Patriot mythology.
[36:20.060 --> 36:28.060]  And they're going, you know, they're making arguments that on the surface sound rational and reasonable.
[36:28.060 --> 36:34.060]  I happen to know from my own research that they were nonsense, but they sounded good.
[36:34.060 --> 36:43.060]  And I'm sitting here listening to this and it reminded me of watching judges do the same thing.
[36:43.060 --> 36:49.060]  And I hadn't realized at the time how frustrating it was for the judge.
[36:49.060 --> 36:51.060]  Now, I'm on these guys side.
[36:51.060 --> 36:58.060]  They went out on the street and got a mock jury and had a jury sitting and there are people who didn't know him.
[36:58.060 --> 37:01.060]  And it was like a real trial.
[37:01.060 --> 37:08.060]  And I'm sitting here thinking, come on, come on, give me something I can use.
[37:08.060 --> 37:16.060]  So finally, I called a recess and I told him that we're going to come back in about 10 minutes.
[37:16.060 --> 37:26.060]  And when we do, if this guy gets up and says anything, you have my permission to shoot him.
[37:26.060 --> 37:30.060]  He's going to get you put in prison.
[37:30.060 --> 37:35.060]  And the guy was furious and he jumped up and Pastor Masset was there.
[37:35.060 --> 37:47.060]  Pastor Masset sat him down and told him, you don't want to go up there because I was just at Pastor Masset's and I was doing reps with 240 pounds.
[37:47.060 --> 37:49.060]  At the time, I was in pretty good shape.
[37:49.060 --> 37:52.060]  And he said, you don't want to go up there.
[37:52.060 --> 37:58.060]  But the guy, and I told him, I can only hear facts and law.
[37:58.060 --> 38:01.060]  Give me facts and law.
[38:01.060 --> 38:03.060]  So we started back up.
[38:03.060 --> 38:07.060]  All he could do was patriot mythology.
[38:07.060 --> 38:10.060]  The jury found him guilty.
[38:10.060 --> 38:15.060]  They had another mock trial later on.
[38:15.060 --> 38:18.060]  And mock jury found him guilty again.
[38:18.060 --> 38:20.060]  He went to Pennsylvania.
[38:20.060 --> 38:24.060]  They gave him two years in prison.
[38:24.060 --> 38:30.060]  The guy really believed what he was saying and doing.
[38:30.060 --> 38:34.060]  He was acting in the best of faith.
[38:34.060 --> 38:45.060]  Just had people out there that should have known better, people that were irresponsible.
[38:45.060 --> 38:53.060]  Dr. Grays, have you ever advised someone to do something that got them in jail?
[38:53.060 --> 38:56.060]  No.
[38:56.060 --> 38:59.060]  Was that hard?
[38:59.060 --> 39:00.060]  No, it wasn't hard.
[39:00.060 --> 39:02.060]  Was it hard not to do it?
[39:02.060 --> 39:10.060]  Yeah, I've been doing this show for 15 years and nobody has ever went to jail doing what I suggested.
[39:10.060 --> 39:14.060]  And that wasn't hard.
[39:14.060 --> 39:18.060]  It just took a little personal responsibility.
[39:18.060 --> 39:26.060]  There were, you know, they come in and ranting and raving at these public officials, and I'd like to do that sometimes.
[39:26.060 --> 39:32.060]  But that won't get me to a positive outcome.
[39:32.060 --> 39:40.060]  It may make me feel better for a few minutes until the bailiff renders me unconscious.
[39:40.060 --> 39:44.060]  I was in court and the judge was a personal friend of mine.
[39:44.060 --> 39:47.060]  He was a six foot six Cherokee Indian.
[39:47.060 --> 39:50.060]  His hands were twice the size of mine.
[39:50.060 --> 39:59.060]  This redneck in there in a dirty t-shirt told him that he's raising cane about the fringe on the flag.
[39:59.060 --> 40:05.060]  And Mark said, Mr. Bailiff, get that flag out of my court.
[40:05.060 --> 40:07.060]  Takes out the flag.
[40:07.060 --> 40:10.060]  And the guy was getting frustrated.
[40:10.060 --> 40:15.060]  At one point, he threatened to whip the judge.
[40:15.060 --> 40:18.060]  And the bailiff stepped up and I was thinking,
[40:18.060 --> 40:27.060]  Bubba, if you get past that bailiff, you are not going to like what you're going to run into.
[40:27.060 --> 40:32.060]  But Mark was just sitting there just as patient.
[40:32.060 --> 40:42.060]  And no matter what the guy did, he handled him and tried to calm him down and tried to move him toward remedy.
[40:42.060 --> 40:45.060]  But the guy just would not have it.
[40:45.060 --> 40:50.060]  And I see this so often.
[40:50.060 --> 40:55.060]  I see it mostly with people who've been in the fight too long.
[40:55.060 --> 40:58.060]  I've helped a lot of people with foreclosure issues.
[40:58.060 --> 41:07.060]  And I have people come to me and if they've been fighting their foreclosure issue for four or five years,
[41:07.060 --> 41:11.060]  then I have to take a giant step back.
[41:11.060 --> 41:17.060]  People who listen to my show, they've heard me a lot of times tell somebody, this is too complicated.
[41:17.060 --> 41:21.060]  I need a timeline.
[41:21.060 --> 41:28.060]  Truth be told, I don't really need a timeline.
[41:28.060 --> 41:31.060]  They need a timeline.
[41:31.060 --> 41:35.060]  Because once they've been in the fight too long,
[41:35.060 --> 41:42.060]  it stops being about whatever the original problem was and becomes about the fight.
[41:42.060 --> 41:45.060]  Oh, they did this, they did that, they did the other.
[41:45.060 --> 41:50.060]  And they will jump from one emotional high point to the next, to the next, to the next.
[41:50.060 --> 41:58.060]  And in order to tell me the story, they have to re-experience all this trauma.
[41:58.060 --> 42:04.060]  And people listening, you can hear them winding themselves up tighter and tighter.
[42:04.060 --> 42:09.060]  And it's absolutely excruciating for them.
[42:09.060 --> 42:12.060]  That's why I ask for a timeline.
[42:12.060 --> 42:15.060]  Don't give me any explanations.
[42:15.060 --> 42:18.060]  Just tell me, don't tell me what's right or what's wrong.
[42:18.060 --> 42:22.060]  Just tell me this happened and then this happened and then this happened.
[42:22.060 --> 42:27.060]  Because you're talking about all this stuff and you're jumping from one place to another.
[42:27.060 --> 42:30.060]  And I don't always know what you're talking about.
[42:30.060 --> 42:35.060]  If I've got a timeline, then I can kind of follow you.
[42:35.060 --> 42:39.060]  Well, that is true, but that's not the real reason for the timeline.
[42:39.060 --> 42:47.060]  Because it forces them to go back and put everything back in place.
[42:47.060 --> 42:53.060]  Dr. Grays, have you ever noticed people getting their facts out of place?
[42:53.060 --> 42:57.060]  Constantly.
[42:57.060 --> 43:04.060]  When people are really emotionally distressed, they're not professionals.
[43:04.060 --> 43:09.060]  They're not like the police who have all this professional training and prosecutors.
[43:09.060 --> 43:14.060]  They're just ordinary people and they get lost in this stuff.
[43:14.060 --> 43:18.060]  And it takes some discipline.
[43:18.060 --> 43:20.060]  It's just a mechanism.
[43:20.060 --> 43:24.060]  You learn how to operate the mechanism, just like when you drive a car.
[43:24.060 --> 43:28.060]  You put your hands on the steering wheel and you have foot pedals.
[43:28.060 --> 43:30.060]  And there's a certain way you do things.
[43:30.060 --> 43:33.060]  And when you do it the right way, it works for you.
[43:33.060 --> 43:36.060]  When you try to invent the wheel, it doesn't work.
[43:36.060 --> 43:41.060]  You can't win a lawsuit with emotions.
[43:41.060 --> 43:43.060]  Exactly.
[43:43.060 --> 43:49.060]  You can lose one, but you can't win one.
[43:49.060 --> 43:51.060]  Okay, hang on.
[43:51.060 --> 43:54.060]  I've got a couple of callers.
[43:54.060 --> 43:56.060]  Oh, Brett's not here.
[43:56.060 --> 43:58.060]  I'm not even going to mention Brett Fowler.
[43:58.060 --> 44:00.060]  You'll be fine.
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[47:02.060 --> 47:18.060]  Okay, we are back.
[47:18.060 --> 47:24.060]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio, and we have John on the line.
[47:24.060 --> 47:30.060]  And John, do you have something for Dr. Graves?
[47:30.060 --> 47:35.060]  Oh, Dr. Graves. Now, what's he a doctor of?
[47:35.060 --> 47:36.060]  Law.
[47:36.060 --> 47:38.060]  Of jurisprudence.
[47:38.060 --> 47:42.060]  He is the author of Jurisimprudence.
[47:42.060 --> 47:45.060]  No, Jurisdictionary.
[47:45.060 --> 47:47.060]  Jurisimprudence, that's one of my websites.
[47:47.060 --> 47:50.060]  Jurisdictionary.
[47:50.060 --> 47:52.060]  Oh, okay.
[47:52.060 --> 47:53.060]  Then I have a question.
[47:53.060 --> 48:00.060]  I've got a relative who has seven traffic tickets.
[48:00.060 --> 48:02.060]  He went to an attorney and it was looking good.
[48:02.060 --> 48:05.060]  But now, right now, I don't know, it's not looking so good.
[48:05.060 --> 48:08.060]  So they're a combination of tickets.
[48:08.060 --> 48:13.060]  The attorney himself said, I know exactly what is going on.
[48:13.060 --> 48:18.060]  The cops are all in cahoots in these small towns around here.
[48:18.060 --> 48:27.060]  And he says it's pretty obvious that the numbers themselves of the traffic tickets that he received are number seven.
[48:27.060 --> 48:36.060]  He says there's no way in such a short period of time that he would have gotten seven traffic tickets and have them be legitimate.
[48:36.060 --> 48:41.060]  In other words, the cops are all telling their buddies, watch out for this guy.
[48:41.060 --> 48:43.060]  Now, you be sure and you give him some tickets.
[48:43.060 --> 48:46.060]  And this is what the attorney himself said.
[48:46.060 --> 48:48.060]  All right.
[48:48.060 --> 48:57.060]  Now, their stupid ticket, tinted glass on a van that passed inspection, how many times?
[48:57.060 --> 49:00.060]  Five times in a row.
[49:00.060 --> 49:02.060]  It wasn't a problem.
[49:02.060 --> 49:06.060]  And changing lanes improperly.
[49:06.060 --> 49:13.060]  And the attorney goes, the way the ticket was worded on one of them, he goes, what the heck is this?
[49:13.060 --> 49:26.060]  So is there, I've asked Randy and Brad this before, and they're very knowledgeable when it comes to the real law and as it pertains to traffic tickets.
[49:26.060 --> 49:38.060]  What's the best way to get rid of seven tickets wholesale that maybe one thing will take care of all of them?
[49:38.060 --> 49:40.060]  Well, wouldn't that be wonderful?
[49:40.060 --> 49:55.060]  First thing I think, when you tell me this story, is that you have to understand that some of the people you hire as lawyers will shine a light up your skirt and tell you what they think will get you to keep signing checks.
[49:55.060 --> 49:59.060]  So I don't know that that lawyer thinks that he's got an argument.
[49:59.060 --> 50:02.060]  Did you want to hear what I had to say?
[50:02.060 --> 50:04.060]  Oh, yes, please.
[50:04.060 --> 50:11.060]  Okay. The first thing I would challenge would be if this lawyer has a plan, what's the plan?
[50:11.060 --> 50:14.060]  And where is the case law? Where are the appellate court opinions?
[50:14.060 --> 50:20.060]  You're going to back up his argument that, well, there's seven tickets, so they must be, hey, must be bogus.
[50:20.060 --> 50:24.060]  That doesn't connect.
[50:24.060 --> 50:26.060]  I know that. I know that. Yeah.
[50:26.060 --> 50:27.060]  Okay.
[50:27.060 --> 50:28.060]  We've got a problem.
[50:28.060 --> 50:30.060]  We're just trying to think sanely here.
[50:30.060 --> 50:31.060]  Oh, yeah.
[50:31.060 --> 50:37.060]  Randy, jump in now for me. I can't handle this all by myself.
[50:37.060 --> 50:41.060]  Yeah, I'm having a little voice issue here.
[50:41.060 --> 50:46.060]  I had to mute my mic because I was coughing.
[50:46.060 --> 50:54.060]  I mean, that's a pretty poor defense. The argument that because there were seven tickets, they must be bogus, that's not going to fly.
[50:54.060 --> 50:59.060]  Oh, no, he's not going to tell that to the judge. He's just telling that to me.
[50:59.060 --> 51:02.060]  That's what the lawyer is saying.
[51:02.060 --> 51:05.060]  Yeah, the lawyer was telling me that. He says it's pretty obvious.
[51:05.060 --> 51:09.060]  Red flag. No, red flag on the lawyer.
[51:09.060 --> 51:12.060]  The lawyer doesn't sound like he's thinking like a lawyer to me.
[51:12.060 --> 51:16.060]  You've got to have the law on your side.
[51:16.060 --> 51:19.060]  And if you're going to prove these things, you've got to prove them.
[51:19.060 --> 51:24.060]  There's not going to be any way to make them all go away at once, and I can imagine that's not possible.
[51:24.060 --> 51:32.060]  But the argument that somehow they're all bogus because there are seven of them, that's not going to carry any weight in court.
[51:32.060 --> 51:39.060]  Oh, that I know. That I know. He's just giving me his opinion.
[51:39.060 --> 51:46.060]  It could be that this guy, does he have himself an attitude?
[51:46.060 --> 51:53.060]  Oh, I don't think so. I don't think so. He's an experienced lawyer.
[51:53.060 --> 51:58.060]  No, no, I'm not talking about the lawyer. I'm talking about the guy with seven tickets.
[51:58.060 --> 52:01.060]  Oh, OK. Now, what was the question? I'm sorry.
[52:01.060 --> 52:05.060]  Does he have himself an attitude?
[52:05.060 --> 52:09.060]  No, no more than anybody else.
[52:09.060 --> 52:15.060]  Well, why is why are the police upset with him?
[52:15.060 --> 52:19.060]  Oh, everybody's upset with him.
[52:19.060 --> 52:27.060]  He did two things. The first thing when he came to town, they had been doing things any way they wanted.
[52:27.060 --> 52:31.060]  And he came along and bought a house.
[52:31.060 --> 52:40.060]  And right away, they adjusted his taxes because the house hadn't been sold in years.
[52:40.060 --> 52:48.060]  So now the price on the house was like quadruple of what it was when it was sold the previous time.
[52:48.060 --> 52:53.060]  So what they did was they adjusted his assessment accordingly.
[52:53.060 --> 52:57.060]  And that's against the law. That's called spot assessment.
[52:57.060 --> 53:12.060]  You can't adjust one person's assessment based on the recent sale price of the house unless you adjust everyone.
[53:12.060 --> 53:15.060]  You can't just do one.
[53:15.060 --> 53:21.060]  And he took it to court. He won the case. Oh, they didn't like that.
[53:21.060 --> 53:25.060]  He disturbed their little cash cow. That was number one.
[53:25.060 --> 53:31.060]  Then there was something else that he did, and somebody was trying to cheat him.
[53:31.060 --> 53:38.060]  And he took them to court and won. And oh, you don't do that where there's good old boys.
[53:38.060 --> 53:46.060]  And we noticed that after that, ever since then, anything that they could do to make his life miserable, they did.
[53:46.060 --> 53:50.060]  And it was obvious that they went out of their way to do it.
[53:50.060 --> 53:55.060]  And again, you're going to prove that in court? Well, in some of the cases, yes.
[53:55.060 --> 54:03.060]  But that's why he came along and he disturbed the apple cart. He disturbed their cash cow.
[54:03.060 --> 54:20.060]  Okay. You've been listening to this show and you know that it's my opinion that the more garbage a jurisdiction does, the more ways they give me to go back after them.
[54:20.060 --> 54:21.060]  Oh, absolutely.
[54:21.060 --> 54:37.060]  I have this rule. Never ask a public official to do anything you actually want him to do, because you'd never ask a public official to do anything that the law does not compel them to do.
[54:37.060 --> 54:40.060]  And then when he doesn't do it, he takes his rear end.
[54:40.060 --> 54:52.060]  Yeah. I present it that way so it sticks better in the mind. But you should never ask a public official to do anything that the law does not compel them to do.
[54:52.060 --> 54:55.060]  Right. Exactly.
[54:55.060 --> 55:06.060]  You're asking for favors. You don't need favors. You ask them to do what the law tells them they're supposed to do and you stay within.
[55:06.060 --> 55:14.060]  Don't ask them to do something beyond it because they can't. And when they don't, you'll feel mistreated.
[55:14.060 --> 55:21.060]  The point of that was mental discipline. Don't expect what you don't have a right to.
[55:21.060 --> 55:42.060]  But if you have reason to believe that you're being singled out for special treatment, then I suspect I would suggest that this guy do what he is obviously able to do and give these guys a whole new attitude.
[55:42.060 --> 55:54.060]  My attitude is if you want to fight with me, I will give you one. And policemen and public officials, they're low hanging fruit.
[55:54.060 --> 56:05.060]  We got all these tools for handling these guys. But even with that said, we're not getting the whole story.
[56:05.060 --> 56:13.060]  I know there's a lot of negative about the police, but in the real world we live in, they're busy.
[56:13.060 --> 56:23.060]  This got too much to do. I went to my prosecutor once complaining because these truck drivers were getting tickets and they would appeal to the county court.
[56:23.060 --> 56:26.060]  The county court never brought them up for hearing.
[56:26.060 --> 56:36.060]  Did you need to do something about that? He said, you know, when I first got elected, I brought this issue up. And the judge said, well, if that's what you want, okay.
[56:36.060 --> 56:52.060]  The next day, his clerk came in and put 3,000 cases on my desk. And the judge said, have fun. He said, I never did that again.
[56:52.060 --> 57:04.060]  It may be that the police have singled him out for special persecution and it may not because the police got more than they can handle.
[57:04.060 --> 57:10.060]  And it's been my experience. They don't care about you.
[57:10.060 --> 57:16.060]  They got more important stuff to worry about unless you have really done something horrible to them.
[57:16.060 --> 57:23.060]  The fact that you sued over taxes and stuff, police don't care about that. They get careless.
[57:23.060 --> 57:25.060]  I agree.
[57:25.060 --> 57:32.060]  And if the chief tells them go out and harass this guy, the police are not going to go out and harass this guy.
[57:32.060 --> 57:41.060]  They won't tell the chief, you go do that. That's going to get me in trouble. That's going to cost me my license.
[57:41.060 --> 57:53.060]  Well, let me give you an example quick. About 25 years ago, somebody, a cop got fired because of the way he was treating my relatives.
[57:53.060 --> 58:01.060]  And if he singled him out, and believe it or not, there was justice that day. They fired him.
[58:01.060 --> 58:06.060]  Yeah, see, there's something else this guy's not telling you.
[58:06.060 --> 58:11.060]  No, no, no, I knew this guy real well. He's telling me everything.
[58:11.060 --> 58:21.060]  Then he needs to go after these guys. But the only solution he's going to find is the one he creates for himself.
[58:21.060 --> 58:31.060]  He's going to have to do it according to the rules. He's going to have to use the rules, technically, just like you would in the game of football or poker or whatever.
[58:31.060 --> 58:34.060]  Use the rules and that's how you do it.
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[01:00:58.060 --> 01:01:11.060]  Civil seven, civil trials, get it? Civil trials are ones where people sue instead of beating each other up over a dispute, like the dividing line between properties. They take their dispute to a courthouse and settle matters civilly without the fisticuffs.
[01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:19.060]  The seventh amendment guarantees that Americans have the right to a jury in certain civil matters instead of having a lone judge rule on the case.
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[01:03:54.060 --> 01:04:19.060]  OK, we are back. We're here with our special guest, Dr. Graves, the author of Juris Dictionary.
[01:04:19.060 --> 01:04:32.060]  And I'm always honored to have him on. I have to be on my best behavior. OK, John, this guy's got seven tickets.
[01:04:32.060 --> 01:04:42.060]  You know, I just haven't seen the police go chasing somebody. We had Scott Richardson. You remember Scott Richardson.
[01:04:42.060 --> 01:04:53.060]  Scott Richardson could be a real pain in the rear, real arrogant and annoying. And he really worked over the police.
[01:04:53.060 --> 01:05:07.060]  They didn't come after him. It's been my experience that when you're difficult, that when you take on the system, they don't come after you.
[01:05:07.060 --> 01:05:16.060]  The last thing they want to do is get you fired up. I had the last time I got arrested in the district attorney's office.
[01:05:16.060 --> 01:05:23.060]  I was talking to the chief of police for the city there and he asked me something about being arrested.
[01:05:23.060 --> 01:05:29.060]  I said, yeah, I got arrested in the courthouse talking to the district attorney. He said, yeah, I talked to the rigs.
[01:05:29.060 --> 01:05:39.060]  That was the guy who arrested me. And I told him, what were you thinking? You arrested him.
[01:05:39.060 --> 01:05:47.060]  You know how much trouble he's going to cause you. They don't want trouble. They've got enough to handle.
[01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:59.060]  And I heard these stories before, John, but it seems like when I dig into them, there's always more that you weren't told.
[01:05:59.060 --> 01:06:10.060]  And it's easy to demonize the police. But there's always a bad guy or two in the police department, just like any other group.
[01:06:10.060 --> 01:06:20.060]  And you don't hear people getting on here saying, I got pulled over by this cop and this cop did everything right, did everything he was supposed to.
[01:06:20.060 --> 01:06:32.060]  You don't hear that. I got pulled over in Rome, Texas. And this policeman said, can I see your license and proof of your insurance?
[01:06:32.060 --> 01:06:40.060]  And I gave him my license. He said, Mr. Kelton, do you have insurance? Yeah, I do. Will you show me proof of your insurance?
[01:06:40.060 --> 01:06:46.060]  No, I don't want to. I said, no, no, I won't show it to you. He said, why not? I don't want to.
[01:06:46.060 --> 01:06:54.060]  And he's confused. I'm not upset or angry or anything. Well, Mr. Kelton, you sure you have insurance?
[01:06:54.060 --> 01:07:03.060]  I said, yeah, you can go check it on your computer. You got equal access. He said, well, Mr. Kelton, you don't have registration on your window.
[01:07:03.060 --> 01:07:09.060]  I said, yeah, no. Do you have registration? Yeah, yeah, I got it right here in the car department.
[01:07:09.060 --> 01:07:18.060]  Why didn't you put it on the window? I didn't want to. Well, if you don't show me, he said, will you show it to me?
[01:07:18.060 --> 01:07:25.060]  No, no, I don't want to. Well, if you don't show it to me, I'll give you a ticket. That'll work. That'll work. Go ahead. Give me a ticket.
[01:07:25.060 --> 01:07:36.060]  He went back and checked his computer and I was looking at him. He really wanted to get PO'd at me, but he didn't.
[01:07:36.060 --> 01:07:47.060]  He stepped back. You know, I wasn't getting angry or agitated or any of that. He just didn't understand what I was doing.
[01:07:47.060 --> 01:08:00.060]  I was testing him and he passed. This was one of those guys, one look at him, and this is a guy that really likes to throw his weight around.
[01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:12.060]  But he didn't. He was a good policeman. We got a lot of those. I know we do. Yeah, I know a lot of policemen.
[01:08:12.060 --> 01:08:24.060]  I don't know a single one who became a policeman so he could be a jackbooty thug. They got a lot to deal with.
[01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:33.060]  I've been watching some of these YouTube videos of police stops and stuff. I understand why they get nervous.
[01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:45.060]  It doesn't happen often, but on occasion this woman goes up, a female policeman goes up to a car and is parked in an empty lot.
[01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:54.060]  She's standing by the post just over the guy's shoulder, just behind him. That demonstrated clearly why they do that.
[01:08:54.060 --> 01:09:05.060]  They talked to him a little bit and all of a sudden a pistol came up in a heartbeat and fired and he couldn't get back far enough because she was too far back.
[01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:11.060]  And he missed her. She's out of nowhere. She'd be dead.
[01:09:11.060 --> 01:09:22.060]  So when they ask you to roll down your window, when they stand back behind you, when they come up and put their hand on your car, these guys know what they're doing.
[01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:34.060]  And they know how dangerous what they're doing is. And I don't give them a problem like I did at one time.
[01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:42.060]  This guy was just playing with him and he knew I was because I didn't do anything aggressive or angry or any of that kind of stuff.
[01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:47.060]  Just, no, no, I don't want to show it to you. Do I write you a ticket? Okay, okay, go ahead and write me a ticket.
[01:09:47.060 --> 01:09:54.060]  I wanted to see how he would act and he acted perfectly. Exactly what I wanted the policeman to do.
[01:09:54.060 --> 01:10:03.060]  Anybody puts that pistol on their hip, they put on a special responsibility, especially in Texas.
[01:10:03.060 --> 01:10:08.060]  Dr. Graves, Texas has a statute I've never seen anywhere else.
[01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:23.060]  21 is simple assault, penal code. 22 is aggravated assault. In Texas, if you commit simple assault while prominently displaying a deadly weapon, that's aggravated assault.
[01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:40.060]  Unless you are a public official acting under the collar or pretense of an official capacity, in which case it's felony of the first degree.
[01:10:40.060 --> 01:10:51.060]  When our legislators put pistols on our policeman's hip, they put an incredible responsibility on them.
[01:10:51.060 --> 01:11:02.060]  Good. And that's as it should be. I was a combat soldier and we had rules.
[01:11:02.060 --> 01:11:18.060]  They were very strict rules. We did not get to violate those rules. No matter how much adrenaline we had going, no matter how hot a firefight was, we had rules.
[01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:30.060]  When the other side stopped firing on us, we stopped firing on them. When you shoot another soldier and he goes down, you stop shooting him.
[01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:38.060]  And if he don't answer your questions, you don't get to beat him after death. These are the rules and we have them.
[01:11:38.060 --> 01:11:53.060]  Police have them too. And the problem is now every time a policeman does something that even looks a little bit improper, it winds up on YouTube.
[01:11:53.060 --> 01:12:10.060]  Everybody sees it. There are approximately nine million criminal complaints filed in Texas every year. On YouTube, we see, what, a few hundred?
[01:12:10.060 --> 01:12:23.060]  What about those other nine million where the police didn't do anything inappropriate, where they weren't jackbooted thugs? Nobody ever mentions those.
[01:12:23.060 --> 01:12:34.060]  And I'm getting uncomfortable characterizing the police as if they are our enemies.
[01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:45.060]  One thing I do know, if you treat someone as if he is your enemy, he will become your enemy.
[01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:53.060]  You treat someone with dignity and respect and you tend to get it back.
[01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:58.060]  What would you do? What would you do for these tickets?
[01:12:58.060 --> 01:13:06.060]  He will have to fight each one of these. If he believes that these are improper, he needs to fight them.
[01:13:06.060 --> 01:13:19.060]  He's already started some fights so he can do that. If he feels the policeman gave him the ticket inappropriately, the first thing to do is file a professional conduct complaint against him.
[01:13:19.060 --> 01:13:24.060]  Where do you actually file that though? I've never found out. I've always wanted to find out.
[01:13:24.060 --> 01:13:37.060]  Find out who in New York certifies, trains and certifies peace officers. It's usually called POST, police officer certification and training.
[01:13:37.060 --> 01:13:45.060]  In Texas it's called TECLOS, TECOLE, but in most states it's called POST.
[01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:58.060]  Contact the police department and ask them who certifies peace officers. What agency? Or go on the internet and say, put in a search who certifies peace officers in New York.
[01:13:58.060 --> 01:14:07.060]  You get a hit on the agency and send them a complaint. This will sting his bond rating.
[01:14:07.060 --> 01:14:18.060]  You can file a complaint against him like with the department, but the department is not likely to do a whole lot.
[01:14:18.060 --> 01:14:30.060]  They're not going to like getting the complaint and that will likely go in his jacket. But you file a complaint with POST, that's going to go against his insurance.
[01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:41.060]  That will really get their attention. And what else would you do? If you think it's improper, I'll sue against him.
[01:14:41.060 --> 01:14:51.060]  You don't have to win the suit, just file it. And then he's going to have to explain to everybody why he has a suit filed against him.
[01:14:51.060 --> 01:15:03.060]  But like Randy says, you're still going to have to deal with each of those separately, each charge separately, and show that there was not an infraction.
[01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:13.060]  Okay, now what about filing against the DA bar grievance? The DA or the assistant DA?
[01:15:13.060 --> 01:15:16.060]  That's not what that's going to do.
[01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:19.060]  That's why I'm asking. I don't know.
[01:15:19.060 --> 01:15:21.060]  Yeah, these are traffic tickets.
[01:15:21.060 --> 01:15:29.060]  Why not just win the case? That's what I tell people. Instead of doing all this other crazy stuff, just win the case.
[01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:35.060]  Because if you can't win the case, then where are you standing? Where are you?
[01:15:35.060 --> 01:15:43.060]  If the case can't be won, why would we complain to somebody about it?
[01:15:43.060 --> 01:15:52.060]  Right. Well, something you have to know about this county. In the last 50 years, I worked for the media, I worked for radio.
[01:15:52.060 --> 01:16:01.060]  And in that time, I'm a little bit more, in fact, a lot more aware, just like I was more aware about COVID and what COVID was going on.
[01:16:01.060 --> 01:16:11.060]  Because of my news sources, I was also more aware of this county. And there were statewide investigations that went on for years.
[01:16:11.060 --> 01:16:24.060]  And, for example, I'll never forget it, around 1978, 79 and 80, they were investigating many New York state counties for collusion between the judges and the state police.
[01:16:24.060 --> 01:16:35.060]  And who was at the top of the list but this county? And who was always at the top of the list when there was a statewide investigation of this county?
[01:16:35.060 --> 01:16:41.060]  Okay, what have you done to fix it?
[01:16:41.060 --> 01:16:45.060]  What I'm trying to do now is not letting them get away with murder.
[01:16:45.060 --> 01:16:51.060]  Okay, good. Well, send this guy to us. We'll show him how to take these guys on.
[01:16:51.060 --> 01:17:00.060]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Root of La Radio. Hang on, Chris, we'll get to you. We'll be right back.
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[01:20:08.060 --> 01:20:20.060]  Tell your guy to call in the show and we'll talk to us about each of his tickets and we'll give him some idea how to go after them.
[01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:26.060]  Okay, now we're going to go to Chris in Colorado. Hello, Chris. What do you have for us today?
[01:20:26.060 --> 01:20:31.060]  Hey, Randy. Hey, Dr. Graves. Thanks for being on again.
[01:20:31.060 --> 01:20:37.060]  Well, I wasn't going to call in tonight, but I was going to call in tomorrow night when there's a little more time.
[01:20:37.060 --> 01:20:48.060]  But I have more experience, more details from the case that I had a hearing today with the judge for two of my motions.
[01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:57.060]  One was for a motion to compel, and the other one was for a motion to stay discovery because we're possibly going to be going into settlement conference.
[01:20:57.060 --> 01:21:07.060]  And then last week, I did that earlier because I had been talking to an attorney who just recommended doing that.
[01:21:07.060 --> 01:21:14.060]  He says you don't need to burn up any more energy and time with discovery, especially when discovery is pending on a motion to dismiss.
[01:21:14.060 --> 01:21:18.060]  And so I just put that out there to see how it worked.
[01:21:18.060 --> 01:21:26.060]  And anyway, the ruling came in last week on Friday after I talked to you guys Friday again.
[01:21:26.060 --> 01:21:34.060]  My motion to dismiss their consumer fraud motion was denied. So I got my consumer fraud claim.
[01:21:34.060 --> 01:21:44.060]  At the hearing today, yeah, at the hearing today, we got the settlement conference in motion for mid-August.
[01:21:44.060 --> 01:21:52.060]  So things are moving. That's good. But I'm calling in to find out a little bit more what to do with this judge.
[01:21:52.060 --> 01:22:00.060]  Dr. Graves, last week you talked about how weird it was that she scheduled an ex parte essentially telephone call.
[01:22:00.060 --> 01:22:07.060]  Oh, you're the fella. Yeah.
[01:22:07.060 --> 01:22:13.060]  And then this week we had an on-record call today or actually a video conference hearing.
[01:22:13.060 --> 01:22:21.060]  And we got into the merits of—I'm not sure merits is the right word. We got into the technicalities of privilege.
[01:22:21.060 --> 01:22:27.060]  And what defense is trying to do is hide all the communications between the insurer and the insurer under privilege.
[01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:33.060]  And so the defense attorney is using attorney-client privilege and insurer-insurer privilege.
[01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:41.060]  What's interesting, though, is that the insurance company is using work product doctor and privilege, insurer-insurer privilege,
[01:22:41.060 --> 01:22:46.060]  and then they're coming in light with the attorney privilege. They're trying to hide these communications.
[01:22:46.060 --> 01:22:54.060]  And so I'm arguing, because I found the case law, that yes, there is such a thing as insurer-insurer privilege, but it extends from attorney-client privilege.
[01:22:54.060 --> 01:23:03.060]  Therefore, under attorney-client privilege rules, there has to be some type of legal advice, legal counsel, legal understanding, legal interaction.
[01:23:03.060 --> 01:23:04.060]  Chris?
[01:23:04.060 --> 01:23:05.060]  Yes?
[01:23:05.060 --> 01:23:20.060]  Chris, we asked the question, who owns the privilege, the insured or the insurer? That's a question you want to look for.
[01:23:20.060 --> 01:23:22.060]  Who owns the privilege?
[01:23:22.060 --> 01:23:29.060]  Who has, like, an attorney-client privilege. The lawyer doesn't have the privilege. The client has the privilege.
[01:23:29.060 --> 01:23:31.060]  Do you follow me?
[01:23:31.060 --> 01:23:32.060]  Yes.
[01:23:32.060 --> 01:23:40.060]  All this stuff is so simple. When you see it the right way, you know, Randy knows what I'm talking about.
[01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:49.060]  A privilege belongs to one of the people, not both. They don't both have the privilege.
[01:23:49.060 --> 01:24:00.060]  A priest's penitent. The priest doesn't have the privilege. The penitent has the privilege. He's the one that's being protected.
[01:24:00.060 --> 01:24:07.060]  So you want to look in your situation. And then, is the insurance company a party to the case?
[01:24:07.060 --> 01:24:12.060]  Or is it you're just doing discovery, trying to find out about the coverage?
[01:24:12.060 --> 01:24:21.060]  Well, I'm trying to get the communications, because the communications were the emails before I filed the lawsuit, which was used to deny the insurance claim,
[01:24:21.060 --> 01:24:27.060]  because the till company was found to be guilty of consumer fraud, OK, for lying and doing all kinds of stuff.
[01:24:27.060 --> 01:24:33.060]  But I just need the communications to see if there was conspiracy. I'm not telling them that. But I need to know what was said.
[01:24:33.060 --> 01:24:43.060]  And apparently, I have a right to that under this, because just what you said, Dr. Graves, it made more sense now what I'm reading in case law.
[01:24:43.060 --> 01:24:54.060]  The privilege has to be an assumption or an understanding from the protected party being insured that when they were relaying the information to the insurance company,
[01:24:54.060 --> 01:24:59.060]  it was for the purposes of going to an attorney, whether or not it did or not.
[01:24:59.060 --> 01:25:08.060]  That doesn't compute. But let me jump in a second and offer an idea.
[01:25:08.060 --> 01:25:16.060]  When you have a complicated case, and you know that part of it you can win with hands down, that's not a problem.
[01:25:16.060 --> 01:25:26.060]  I've done this before. I've filed a motion to bifurcate. And to judge it, they're glad to have it, because it simplifies things for them.
[01:25:26.060 --> 01:25:30.060]  And you go ahead and you deal with part of it, and then you deal with the rest of it later.
[01:25:30.060 --> 01:25:43.060]  So if you want to prove some kind of conspiracy, maybe you can bifurcate that away from what it is, the main thing you're going after, which is with the towing company.
[01:25:43.060 --> 01:25:49.060]  So you get the judgment against the towing company. And then if you want to go after these other people, that'd be a separate thing.
[01:25:49.060 --> 01:25:56.060]  And bifurcation is just a complicated word. It just means cut it in two, or cut it in five, or however many pieces.
[01:25:56.060 --> 01:26:00.060]  But you just chop it into pieces and deal with one piece at a time.
[01:26:00.060 --> 01:26:09.060]  And that way, many times, if you can just win one piece, you don't even care about the other piece.
[01:26:09.060 --> 01:26:11.060]  That makes sense?
[01:26:11.060 --> 01:26:17.060]  It does, yeah. The insurance company was a party, but there's this public policy thing out there, blah, blah, blah.
[01:26:17.060 --> 01:26:21.060]  I dropped them willingly, but I filed a separate suit against them. They don't know that's coming.
[01:26:21.060 --> 01:26:26.060]  But in the next week, I'm going to serve them, because they broke statute. They actually did. And I can prove that.
[01:26:26.060 --> 01:26:36.060]  Why don't you wait? Why don't you deal with what you've got if there's a statute of limitations and latches isn't going to kick in, where they'll come back and say, well, you waited too long.
[01:26:36.060 --> 01:26:43.060]  Now the evidence has been destroyed. Why don't you just try to deal with one thing at a time and get that done?
[01:26:43.060 --> 01:26:49.060]  Get that done, put that behind you, and then go on. Oh, you do? OK.
[01:26:49.060 --> 01:26:57.060]  Dr. Graves, will you explain the difference between limitations and latches?
[01:26:57.060 --> 01:27:09.060]  Yeah. Limitations are set by the statute. Latches is where you, like, for example, you know that this old lady is going to die.
[01:27:09.060 --> 01:27:19.060]  And so you don't file the lawsuit. You could have filed it sooner. So it's an equitable issue. You're not acting in equity.
[01:27:19.060 --> 01:27:24.060]  You not have clean hands, because you could have done it sooner, but you didn't.
[01:27:24.060 --> 01:27:34.060]  And they are prejudiced, because now the evidence is gone. But they can't depose that woman, because she's dead.
[01:27:34.060 --> 01:27:46.060]  That's when latches kicks in. It's hard to prove, though, because you've got to prove that you actually had malice and you intended to delay things for that insidious purpose.
[01:27:46.060 --> 01:27:55.060]  But the statute of limitations is just, you know, 10 years, boom, 10 years, boom, boom. It's all done. You're screwed.
[01:27:55.060 --> 01:28:18.060]  Oh, that is good. There are issues that I'm dealing with where prosecutors are delaying cases because they know eventually if someone has a criminal case hanging over their head,
[01:28:18.060 --> 01:28:25.060]  if they delay long enough, the dog give up and make a deal just to get out from under the pressure.
[01:28:25.060 --> 01:28:32.060]  But that's hard to prove. It's like trying to prove intent. It's hard to prove intent.
[01:28:32.060 --> 01:28:51.060]  Well, where you have a like I have a class C misdemeanor that is a year and a half old be trying to get it. And I started out with a subject with a speedy trial demand.
[01:28:51.060 --> 01:29:02.060]  I'm a year and a half down the road. And so they have a hearing and then they wait three or four months and they have another hearing and then three or four months and have another hearing.
[01:29:02.060 --> 01:29:12.060]  And in the meantime, I can't get my license back because they they keep giving notices to the DPS. So I'm stuck here with no license.
[01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:23.060]  Eventually, I'll go down and say enough of this. I need my license. Would that fall under latches if I could show that they did that intentionally?
[01:29:23.060 --> 01:29:30.060]  Well, the underlying spirit would be related to that. And so you'd be able to do your research with latches.
[01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:42.060]  We probably find all kinds of court opinions in Texas explaining where delay was unjust and could even maybe result in dismissal.
[01:29:42.060 --> 01:29:50.060]  Good. I'm looking for when they answer my lawsuit, I'm looking for some good arguments to go back after them with.
[01:29:50.060 --> 01:30:03.060]  Hang on. Randy Kelkin, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio here with Dr. Graves. We'll be right back.
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[01:34:44.060 --> 01:35:00.740]  Okay, we are back here with our special guest Dr. Graves and we're talking to Chris in Colorado.
[01:35:00.740 --> 01:35:06.220]  Okay, Chris, I can't interrupt you, Jesus, at the end.
[01:35:06.220 --> 01:35:07.220]  It's okay.
[01:35:07.220 --> 01:35:13.340]  I learned something.
[01:35:13.340 --> 01:35:19.420]  So I guess, so I've heard the term bifurcation and then the privilege is in the hands of
[01:35:19.420 --> 01:35:22.100]  the party, not the lawyer or the insurance company.
[01:35:22.100 --> 01:35:23.980]  It's for protection of the party.
[01:35:23.980 --> 01:35:32.580]  So when I'm looking at these privileges though, like they're thrown around pretty loosely.
[01:35:32.580 --> 01:35:37.460]  And even the judge today pointed out, you really haven't argued how this is privilege.
[01:35:37.460 --> 01:35:40.380]  You just basically said it's privilege, you know, and I'm going to need you to produce
[01:35:40.380 --> 01:35:43.260]  these for in-camera review, which is good.
[01:35:43.260 --> 01:35:50.620]  But she's also pointing to me and she's saying, well, you know, some things can be privileged
[01:35:50.620 --> 01:35:51.900]  before a lawsuit.
[01:35:51.900 --> 01:35:56.180]  And I said, that's fine, your honor, but generally, you know, basically they aren't.
[01:35:56.180 --> 01:36:01.540]  In the normal day-to-day working of a business, that's not privileged material.
[01:36:01.540 --> 01:36:03.860]  So this is what I'm trying to figure out.
[01:36:03.860 --> 01:36:08.340]  Illinois is a little bit more unique in that the Supreme Court has really, they came down
[01:36:08.340 --> 01:36:12.340]  pretty hard on the insured, insured privilege, basically stating you only need four things
[01:36:12.340 --> 01:36:13.780]  to establish that.
[01:36:13.780 --> 01:36:19.500]  The party who's insured, the insurer, that there was a communication between the party
[01:36:19.500 --> 01:36:22.180]  and some agent of the insurer and there's one other, it's pretty easy.
[01:36:22.180 --> 01:36:26.340]  But I found more in that case that's been expanded and refined.
[01:36:26.340 --> 01:36:31.620]  And that's why I said what I said, that it's actually much more narrow than that now.
[01:36:31.620 --> 01:36:37.420]  If that would be true, if the person who's insured was doing this under the assumption
[01:36:37.420 --> 01:36:41.220]  that it was supposed to be confidential and basically preparing for litigation.
[01:36:41.220 --> 01:36:47.060]  But just processing an insurance claim, I don't think that sticks and doesn't seem
[01:36:47.060 --> 01:36:49.380]  to be.
[01:36:49.380 --> 01:36:55.340]  So I'm trying to, basically what I'm asking here, I'm not so much arguing those points.
[01:36:55.340 --> 01:36:57.260]  They're somewhat clear in the case law.
[01:36:57.260 --> 01:37:01.180]  I'm trying to figure out how to get this judge back in her lane, because she's clearly
[01:37:01.180 --> 01:37:04.940]  not that experienced.
[01:37:04.940 --> 01:37:07.020]  She still doesn't even know the basis for my case.
[01:37:07.020 --> 01:37:10.820]  She keeps thinking it's a toe and I keep reminding her, your honor, this is about
[01:37:10.820 --> 01:37:12.460]  fraud.
[01:37:12.460 --> 01:37:18.820]  And today she even pointed out that my count eight, which is consumer fraud, has now survived.
[01:37:18.820 --> 01:37:24.460]  Would you two parties like to go ahead with the settlement conference?
[01:37:24.460 --> 01:37:28.060]  But she didn't even say that it was consumer fraud, she just said count eight.
[01:37:28.060 --> 01:37:33.900]  So I'm trying to get this judge to take this case seriously and she's not.
[01:37:33.900 --> 01:37:37.420]  She's also been denying relevant discovery material.
[01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:39.260]  She's making it really hard for me.
[01:37:39.260 --> 01:37:41.860]  And that's kind of where I'm at.
[01:37:41.860 --> 01:37:46.660]  And I've seen some of your stuff about controlling judges, Dr. Graves, but I'm really new at
[01:37:46.660 --> 01:37:48.700]  this.
[01:37:48.700 --> 01:37:51.140]  You seem like you're doing a good job.
[01:37:51.140 --> 01:37:54.940]  Well, I'm also got some tenacity behind me.
[01:37:54.940 --> 01:37:58.460]  So that's the part that, you know, people get a little smacked around.
[01:37:58.460 --> 01:38:03.500]  But as far as the technicalities, I haven't been doing a great job of putting her in her
[01:38:03.500 --> 01:38:07.220]  lane, you know.
[01:38:07.220 --> 01:38:09.540]  I tried, I tried.
[01:38:09.540 --> 01:38:12.780]  She doesn't want to be, she wanted to be very clear that she's the one making the calls
[01:38:12.780 --> 01:38:13.780]  here.
[01:38:13.780 --> 01:38:17.980]  Well, let me tell you a quick story.
[01:38:17.980 --> 01:38:26.340]  I've got a judge in Palm Beach County, and he was formerly a military judge.
[01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:35.740]  And I wanted him to examine some documents in camera, and he didn't want to do it.
[01:38:35.740 --> 01:38:40.100]  He said, well, Mr. Graves, I'm very busy.
[01:38:40.100 --> 01:38:42.420]  I really don't have time to do that.
[01:38:42.420 --> 01:38:47.380]  And so I politely said, well, Your Honor, you really don't have a choice, because the
[01:38:47.380 --> 01:38:52.780]  Fourth District Court of Appeal has said, in whatever was Johnson v. Smith, 208 Southern
[01:38:52.780 --> 01:38:56.380]  Second, page 483, that you have to do it.
[01:38:56.380 --> 01:38:57.460]  Well, that's it.
[01:38:57.460 --> 01:39:00.360]  I used the appellate court opinion.
[01:39:00.360 --> 01:39:01.860]  They're his boss.
[01:39:01.860 --> 01:39:08.020]  The appellate court justices are the bosses of these trial judges, and they don't want
[01:39:08.020 --> 01:39:09.020]  to be appealed.
[01:39:09.020 --> 01:39:14.820]  And that's, strange as it may seem, that's how you win.
[01:39:14.820 --> 01:39:24.620]  You just let them understand that their bosses, the appellate court justices, will instruct
[01:39:24.620 --> 01:39:27.980]  them if that's what they want to have happen.
[01:39:27.980 --> 01:39:29.620]  But you've got to find the case law.
[01:39:29.620 --> 01:39:31.020]  You've got to have the case law.
[01:39:31.020 --> 01:39:32.020]  You've got to cite it.
[01:39:32.020 --> 01:39:35.340]  You've got to quote the portion of the case that's actually there.
[01:39:35.340 --> 01:39:36.980]  And don't rely on the headnotes.
[01:39:36.980 --> 01:39:43.220]  If you're using West or one of the other companies, ignore the headnotes of the case,
[01:39:43.220 --> 01:39:47.460]  highlight it, make copies of the whole case, and then use a marker and highlight the part
[01:39:47.460 --> 01:39:51.500]  you want the judge to see and attach it to your motion.
[01:39:51.500 --> 01:39:56.060]  And the judge, uh-oh, better do what he wants.
[01:39:56.060 --> 01:40:00.540]  Maybe I don't want to do what he wants, but I got to do what he wants.
[01:40:00.540 --> 01:40:01.820]  And that's how you win.
[01:40:01.820 --> 01:40:08.500]  And you know, as I guess you guys know, I've won over and over and over again, not because
[01:40:08.500 --> 01:40:12.780]  I was so smart, but just because I just figured out that the rules really work.
[01:40:12.780 --> 01:40:16.180]  And if you work them...
[01:40:16.180 --> 01:40:25.300]  Okay, so when we're in the suedo world of vagueness, meaning the judge is kind of jumping,
[01:40:25.300 --> 01:40:28.180]  she's like, okay, I'll think I'll decide later on type of thing.
[01:40:28.180 --> 01:40:32.660]  And I'll let you know in the docket.
[01:40:32.660 --> 01:40:35.660]  I still don't know where we stand as far as some of this discovery.
[01:40:35.660 --> 01:40:41.500]  She's now wanting me to present pictures, and I have evidence that we've disclosed of
[01:40:41.500 --> 01:40:44.780]  the tow company basically setting up tow traps for multiple years.
[01:40:44.780 --> 01:40:49.340]  Even though they got cited in 2018, all the way up to 2021, they were still doing the
[01:40:49.340 --> 01:40:50.340]  same thing.
[01:40:50.340 --> 01:40:52.340]  That means everybody who got towed in 2021, it was illegal.
[01:40:52.340 --> 01:40:54.780]  So I've been asking for discovery for that.
[01:40:54.780 --> 01:40:58.100]  And the judge today pushed back and she says, I don't see how that's relevant.
[01:40:58.100 --> 01:41:00.260]  And I explained exactly the way I just explained a year.
[01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:01.260]  She says, well, then what was...
[01:41:01.260 --> 01:41:02.860]  It's material, isn't it?
[01:41:02.860 --> 01:41:03.860]  It's material.
[01:41:03.860 --> 01:41:05.620]  Yes, that's what I said.
[01:41:05.620 --> 01:41:06.620]  But she's arguing...
[01:41:06.620 --> 01:41:12.760]  Well, if it's material, then it's relevant.
[01:41:12.760 --> 01:41:15.700]  So would I appeal her at this point?
[01:41:15.700 --> 01:41:17.500]  Because that's really what I'm asking, Dr. Gris.
[01:41:17.500 --> 01:41:18.980]  I'm in the middle of the case.
[01:41:18.980 --> 01:41:21.740]  No, it probably isn't necessary.
[01:41:21.740 --> 01:41:22.740]  No.
[01:41:22.740 --> 01:41:28.940]  I mean, appeals are a pain in the butt, but it's far easier to just show the judge the
[01:41:28.940 --> 01:41:33.140]  appellate court opinions that tell the judge, this is what you have to do.
[01:41:33.140 --> 01:41:34.140]  It takes a lot of work.
[01:41:34.140 --> 01:41:36.380]  You have to find the cases.
[01:41:36.380 --> 01:41:38.060]  I mean, you do.
[01:41:38.060 --> 01:41:43.140]  And when I was working as an attorney, people had to pay me for my time to read all those
[01:41:43.140 --> 01:41:44.140]  cases.
[01:41:44.140 --> 01:41:45.460]  Because believe me, I didn't want to be reading.
[01:41:45.460 --> 01:41:49.780]  I want to be out having fun, get on a sailboat, enjoy the afternoon.
[01:41:49.780 --> 01:41:53.260]  But no, I had to sit there and read all those cases.
[01:41:53.260 --> 01:41:55.980]  But that's how you win.
[01:41:55.980 --> 01:41:58.280]  You say, this is what the law is.
[01:41:58.280 --> 01:42:00.140]  This is the appellate court opinion right here.
[01:42:00.140 --> 01:42:02.380]  And in fact, I've got four of them, your honor.
[01:42:02.380 --> 01:42:05.780]  And they all say the same thing.
[01:42:05.780 --> 01:42:08.100]  And the other thing, I don't know if you've tried this before.
[01:42:08.100 --> 01:42:10.060]  I think it's in the court somewhere, it must be.
[01:42:10.060 --> 01:42:13.100]  I've been working on it for 26 years.
[01:42:13.100 --> 01:42:18.060]  But at the end of a hearing, I pushed the judge to get an order.
[01:42:18.060 --> 01:42:20.780]  So, your honor, what is your order today?
[01:42:20.780 --> 01:42:23.900]  Well, I have pretty much this and pretty much...
[01:42:23.900 --> 01:42:24.900]  No, no, your honor.
[01:42:24.900 --> 01:42:26.820]  No, what are you ordering today?
[01:42:26.820 --> 01:42:29.140]  What conclusion have we come to today?
[01:42:29.140 --> 01:42:31.500]  And it's going to get written down in the record.
[01:42:31.500 --> 01:42:37.500]  And I've got a reporter, or I've arranged to make sure that there's going to be a transcript.
[01:42:37.500 --> 01:42:39.380]  And so the judge has to say what it is.
[01:42:39.380 --> 01:42:42.820]  And then I'll even say, well, in other words, you're saying this.
[01:42:42.820 --> 01:42:44.620]  You're saying blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:42:44.620 --> 01:42:47.820]  And the judge would say, yes, that's what I'm saying, Mr. Graves.
[01:42:47.820 --> 01:42:49.180]  Thank you, your honor.
[01:42:49.180 --> 01:42:50.180]  And I'm done.
[01:42:50.180 --> 01:42:51.180]  I'm out the door.
[01:42:51.180 --> 01:42:55.820]  I've got what I wanted, rather than just letting it be some kind of random conversation between
[01:42:55.820 --> 01:42:56.820]  me and the judge.
[01:42:56.820 --> 01:42:59.100]  It doesn't do a thing for my client.
[01:42:59.100 --> 01:43:01.100]  I don't care about...
[01:43:01.100 --> 01:43:05.420]  You don't feel well today, and this is pretty hard, and maybe we'll figure it out tomorrow.
[01:43:05.420 --> 01:43:07.820]  I don't know if I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:43:07.820 --> 01:43:09.260]  No, I need an order.
[01:43:09.260 --> 01:43:10.580]  I came here for an order.
[01:43:10.580 --> 01:43:11.740]  That's what I came for.
[01:43:11.740 --> 01:43:12.740]  Can I get an order?
[01:43:12.740 --> 01:43:14.860]  Well, I'll take it under advisement.
[01:43:14.860 --> 01:43:17.900]  Okay, well, can we set a date for another hearing?
[01:43:17.900 --> 01:43:19.900]  We'll get this thing straightened out.
[01:43:19.900 --> 01:43:23.300]  But you do that tactfully.
[01:43:23.300 --> 01:43:29.260]  And then when you get done, if you get the order and you've clarified it on the record
[01:43:29.260 --> 01:43:32.660]  and you've said, well, you mean this, don't you?
[01:43:32.660 --> 01:43:33.660]  Your order is this.
[01:43:33.660 --> 01:43:34.660]  Yes, that's the order.
[01:43:34.660 --> 01:43:35.660]  And I've got it in the record, and then we're on a roll.
[01:43:35.660 --> 01:43:36.660]  I tried to do that.
[01:43:36.660 --> 01:43:37.660]  She is a little elusive.
[01:43:37.660 --> 01:43:45.380]  I understand.
[01:43:45.380 --> 01:44:00.140]  Okay, hang on, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Wheel of Love Radio, we'll be right back.
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[01:46:22.860 --> 01:46:31.420]  Some things in this world I will never understand Some things I realize fully
[01:46:31.420 --> 01:46:39.940]  Somebody's gonna police a policeman Somebody's gonna police a bully
[01:46:39.940 --> 01:46:47.180]  There's always a room at the top of the hill Here through the grapevine and it's lonely
[01:46:47.180 --> 01:46:55.180]  They're wishing it was more than a position to fill They know that if they don't do it
[01:46:55.180 --> 01:46:57.180]  Somebody will
[01:46:57.180 --> 01:47:05.180]  Some things in this world I will never understand Some things I realize fully
[01:47:05.180 --> 01:47:07.180]  Somebody's gonna police a policeman
[01:47:07.180 --> 01:47:09.180]  Okay, we are back.
[01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:11.180]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:47:11.180 --> 01:47:13.180]  When am I mentioning Brett?
[01:47:13.180 --> 01:47:15.180]  He's not even here today.
[01:47:15.180 --> 01:47:19.180]  It's Brett guy who doesn't show up.
[01:47:19.180 --> 01:47:23.180]  Deborah's here, but I can't get her on the air.
[01:47:23.180 --> 01:47:27.180]  Okay, we are talking to Chris in Colorado.
[01:47:27.180 --> 01:47:29.180]  Where were we?
[01:47:29.180 --> 01:47:38.180]  Dr. Draves was handling the judge.
[01:47:38.180 --> 01:47:46.180]  Speaking to the business of lawyering.
[01:47:46.180 --> 01:47:48.180]  Yeah, are we back?
[01:47:48.180 --> 01:47:52.180]  Hey, guys.
[01:47:52.180 --> 01:47:56.180]  Okay, what else do you have for us, Chris?
[01:47:56.180 --> 01:47:58.180]  Where are you going to now?
[01:47:58.180 --> 01:48:00.180]  What's next?
[01:48:00.180 --> 01:48:06.180]  Well, now I gotta wait for the judge to do her thing behind the scenes.
[01:48:06.180 --> 01:48:08.180]  She wants me to present photographs.
[01:48:08.180 --> 01:48:10.180]  She's not taking my word for it.
[01:48:10.180 --> 01:48:15.180]  Now she wants to see evidence so she can see that my discovery request is even relevant.
[01:48:15.180 --> 01:48:19.180]  Now, let me add here.
[01:48:19.180 --> 01:48:23.180]  At one of the previous hearings for a discovery dispute,
[01:48:23.180 --> 01:48:31.180]  I was forced to disclose information about my vehicle from six months later all the way till today.
[01:48:31.180 --> 01:48:35.180]  Okay, how was that relevant to getting towed and my car damaged back in 2018?
[01:48:35.180 --> 01:48:38.180]  Well, they said it might lead to discoverable information.
[01:48:38.180 --> 01:48:41.180]  So the judge ordered me to comply, which I did.
[01:48:41.180 --> 01:48:46.180]  And, of course, they did no follow-up discovery because it was irrelevant just like I had mentioned.
[01:48:46.180 --> 01:48:52.180]  Now, I'm asking for material evidence to show willingness, to show intent, to show an ongoing pattern,
[01:48:52.180 --> 01:48:55.180]  to show that this is just a one-off thing.
[01:48:55.180 --> 01:49:02.180]  And they're denying me access to those records to show that this tow company has been doing this not just in 2018,
[01:49:02.180 --> 01:49:04.180]  but for multiple years.
[01:49:04.180 --> 01:49:06.180]  Isn't that kind of a double standard?
[01:49:06.180 --> 01:49:09.180]  And that's the way I feel about it, being a prospect.
[01:49:09.180 --> 01:49:14.180]  Yeah, but remember we said earlier that feelings don't win lawsuits.
[01:49:14.180 --> 01:49:17.180]  So that's water under the bridge, so let that go.
[01:49:17.180 --> 01:49:22.180]  So just prove what you have to prove and move on.
[01:49:22.180 --> 01:49:30.180]  But how do I get her, if she decides because she's not really interested in my case, that my material requests aren't interesting
[01:49:30.180 --> 01:49:32.180]  and I can't get my word in,
[01:49:32.180 --> 01:49:36.180]  I'm going to have to do a motion to reconsideration or I'm going to have to appeal.
[01:49:36.180 --> 01:49:38.180]  And I don't want to do that.
[01:49:38.180 --> 01:49:41.180]  I've never done that before, and it does sound like a pain.
[01:49:41.180 --> 01:49:45.180]  But I still haven't figured out how to get this judge under control.
[01:49:45.180 --> 01:49:47.180]  Well, it is.
[01:49:47.180 --> 01:49:55.180]  And then we have one of the Supreme Court justices who has a hard time understanding that if you can't get discovery,
[01:49:55.180 --> 01:50:03.180]  you can't get due process, and they're trying to make things turn them around to favor the trial lawyers' organizations
[01:50:03.180 --> 01:50:09.180]  so that trials can last, you know, cases can last forever and lawyers can get super rich.
[01:50:09.180 --> 01:50:18.180]  So all that has to change, but you have a right to discovery if what you're trying to discover is material to the outcome of the case.
[01:50:18.180 --> 01:50:23.180]  You've got to find a case law with regard to your particular facts that back you up.
[01:50:23.180 --> 01:50:28.180]  And basically rub her nose in it.
[01:50:28.180 --> 01:50:30.180]  Educate her.
[01:50:30.180 --> 01:50:37.180]  Yeah, and unfortunately she's forcing me to while at the same time acting like she's the educator.
[01:50:37.180 --> 01:50:42.180]  I know. Well, she may not be all that bright.
[01:50:42.180 --> 01:50:43.180]  Yeah.
[01:50:43.180 --> 01:50:46.180]  Just because you're a judge doesn't make you bright.
[01:50:46.180 --> 01:50:48.180]  I don't want to take all this time.
[01:50:48.180 --> 01:50:57.180]  You know, I remember one particular case where a car had ended up upside down on top of another car.
[01:50:57.180 --> 01:50:59.180]  And I had a really hard time.
[01:50:59.180 --> 01:51:01.180]  In fact, it wasn't my case.
[01:51:01.180 --> 01:51:07.180]  A friend had had throat cancer and he wanted me to handle the earrings, so I went in there totally blind what was going on.
[01:51:07.180 --> 01:51:14.180]  But I had to try to explain to this judge, nice, nice old judge, you know,
[01:51:14.180 --> 01:51:24.180]  and I tried to explain to him, well, Your Honor, the car had to be going really, really fast to hit the blade of that bulldozer to go up in the air and end up upside down.
[01:51:24.180 --> 01:51:26.180]  There has to be a certain amount of momentum.
[01:51:26.180 --> 01:51:27.180]  And we figured that out.
[01:51:27.180 --> 01:51:29.180]  He would have to be going certain speed.
[01:51:29.180 --> 01:51:31.180]  Do you understand?
[01:51:31.180 --> 01:51:35.180]  No, I don't understand that, Mr. Graves.
[01:51:35.180 --> 01:51:40.180]  Nice old man with a southern accent and talk real slow.
[01:51:40.180 --> 01:51:42.180]  You know, they're not smart.
[01:51:42.180 --> 01:51:44.180]  Some of them are brilliant.
[01:51:44.180 --> 01:51:46.180]  Some of them are sharp as a tack.
[01:51:46.180 --> 01:51:50.180]  But some of them just, I don't know, they just didn't want to have an office.
[01:51:50.180 --> 01:51:56.180]  They didn't want to go to work every day and work in an office and have to deal with a client.
[01:51:56.180 --> 01:51:59.180]  So they just sit up on the bench and feel important.
[01:51:59.180 --> 01:52:01.180]  You got to deal with that.
[01:52:01.180 --> 01:52:02.180]  She's a human.
[01:52:02.180 --> 01:52:08.180]  And you deal with it by citing appellate court opinions that control that particular trial court.
[01:52:08.180 --> 01:52:09.180]  It's easy.
[01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:10.180]  It's not hard.
[01:52:10.180 --> 01:52:15.180]  It takes a lot of work.
[01:52:15.180 --> 01:52:16.180]  You can do this.
[01:52:16.180 --> 01:52:17.180]  I've already picked up on that.
[01:52:17.180 --> 01:52:18.180]  You're a smart guy.
[01:52:18.180 --> 01:52:19.180]  You sound smart.
[01:52:19.180 --> 01:52:22.180]  I think you can do everything.
[01:52:22.180 --> 01:52:24.180]  I think we lost Chris.
[01:52:24.180 --> 01:52:27.180]  He's not on my caller board.
[01:52:27.180 --> 01:52:29.180]  Maybe he got angry and hung up.
[01:52:29.180 --> 01:52:30.180]  Oh, no.
[01:52:30.180 --> 01:52:34.180]  Chris has been, he has really hung in there with these guys.
[01:52:34.180 --> 01:52:39.180]  He's been calling in since all of this started.
[01:52:39.180 --> 01:52:42.180]  He started out knowing nothing.
[01:52:42.180 --> 01:52:46.180]  Did you ever have a judge call you in for an ex parte hearing?
[01:52:46.180 --> 01:52:48.180]  Yes, I did.
[01:52:48.180 --> 01:52:49.180]  That's insane.
[01:52:49.180 --> 01:52:50.180]  You did?
[01:52:50.180 --> 01:52:51.180]  Yeah.
[01:52:51.180 --> 01:52:54.180]  Oh, I was terrified.
[01:52:54.180 --> 01:52:58.180]  I'll explain this one off the air because it was recent.
[01:52:58.180 --> 01:53:00.180]  But I'm sitting here looking around.
[01:53:00.180 --> 01:53:04.180]  It was worse than just ex parte.
[01:53:04.180 --> 01:53:06.180]  I'm wondering what is going on.
[01:53:06.180 --> 01:53:13.180]  I'm looking for the bailiff over there with his billy club out that set me up or something.
[01:53:13.180 --> 01:53:16.180]  But yeah, I did have that happen.
[01:53:16.180 --> 01:53:21.180]  When he was talking about it, it sounded a lot like what happened to me.
[01:53:21.180 --> 01:53:25.180]  It wasn't even my case.
[01:53:25.180 --> 01:53:30.180]  But I had written the pleading and the judge knew that.
[01:53:30.180 --> 01:53:34.180]  It was scary.
[01:53:34.180 --> 01:53:41.180]  But I'll talk about this off the air in case they're listening.
[01:53:41.180 --> 01:53:45.180]  But that was interesting on handling the judges.
[01:53:45.180 --> 01:53:51.180]  One of the things I try to get people to understand is that judges are human beings.
[01:53:51.180 --> 01:53:58.180]  And when you go before the judge, best thing to do is treat them like a human being.
[01:53:58.180 --> 01:54:08.180]  They ask, well, do you have a template for an order to do this, for a motion to do this?
[01:54:08.180 --> 01:54:10.180]  No, I don't need a template.
[01:54:10.180 --> 01:54:15.180]  Write him a business letter where you tell him what you want.
[01:54:15.180 --> 01:54:19.180]  Tell him why he should give you what you want.
[01:54:19.180 --> 01:54:21.180]  Then ask him to give you what you want.
[01:54:21.180 --> 01:54:26.180]  And then take the business heading off the top and put a motion heading on the top.
[01:54:26.180 --> 01:54:29.180]  You got yourself a motion.
[01:54:29.180 --> 01:54:32.180]  The rules aren't quite that strict.
[01:54:32.180 --> 01:54:40.180]  You're just trying to communicate good sense to the judge and give him reason to do what you want.
[01:54:40.180 --> 01:54:51.180]  But people think that when you get in front of the judge, there's all these incantations and special things you have to do.
[01:54:51.180 --> 01:54:53.180]  Or they think the judge knows all the law.
[01:54:53.180 --> 01:54:55.180]  And that's a mistake.
[01:54:55.180 --> 01:54:57.180]  Judges don't know all the law.
[01:54:57.180 --> 01:54:59.180]  There's a job to instruct the judge.
[01:54:59.180 --> 01:55:03.180]  Tell the judge what the law is and how it applies.
[01:55:03.180 --> 01:55:07.180]  And you do that with citing appellate court opinions.
[01:55:07.180 --> 01:55:11.180]  It's not rocket science.
[01:55:11.180 --> 01:55:17.180]  I'm trying to get them over their awe of the judge.
[01:55:17.180 --> 01:55:24.180]  They think the judge is up there and you have to do these magical things a certain way and you'll get what you want.
[01:55:24.180 --> 01:55:29.180]  The Patriot community pushes that a lot.
[01:55:29.180 --> 01:55:32.180]  You got to do all this stuff exactly the right way.
[01:55:32.180 --> 01:55:37.180]  If you don't get the ruling that you want, well, you forgot to dot this I or cross this T.
[01:55:37.180 --> 01:55:41.180]  That's horse manure.
[01:55:41.180 --> 01:55:44.180]  Give the judge facts in law.
[01:55:44.180 --> 01:55:50.180]  Give the judge facts related to the case and law as it applies to the facts.
[01:55:50.180 --> 01:55:53.180]  And you can get your ruling.
[01:55:53.180 --> 01:56:01.180]  But how you do it, it's not quite absolutely, totally scripted.
[01:56:01.180 --> 01:56:03.180]  Tell the judge what you want.
[01:56:03.180 --> 01:56:06.180]  Judge, this is what I'm going to ask you for.
[01:56:06.180 --> 01:56:11.180]  Judge, this is why you should give me what I asked for.
[01:56:11.180 --> 01:56:14.180]  Now, judge, will you give me this?
[01:56:14.180 --> 01:56:17.180]  You asked me to issue the order.
[01:56:17.180 --> 01:56:20.180]  He goes back to that case where I told him I didn't have a prayer.
[01:56:20.180 --> 01:56:26.180]  They sued him for a credit card issue and he had me read the suit and he said, what do you think?
[01:56:26.180 --> 01:56:29.180]  I said, they ain't got a prayer.
[01:56:29.180 --> 01:56:30.180]  He said, why not?
[01:56:30.180 --> 01:56:31.180]  I don't know.
[01:56:31.180 --> 01:56:34.180]  They don't have one.
[01:56:34.180 --> 01:56:41.180]  They wrote this whole suit and told the judge what a no good rotten deadbeat you are.
[01:56:41.180 --> 01:56:42.180]  But they don't have a prayer.
[01:56:42.180 --> 01:56:45.180]  They didn't ask the judge to do anything.
[01:56:45.180 --> 01:56:54.180]  I had a case one time where I was up against two IRS attorneys that were trying to get their hands on the assets of my client.
[01:56:54.180 --> 01:56:57.180]  And I put on my case.
[01:56:57.180 --> 01:57:03.180]  And then the lawyers for the IRS got up and they went on and on and on and on.
[01:57:03.180 --> 01:57:09.180]  And the judge, his name was Judge Alexander Pasquet, had a European accent.
[01:57:09.180 --> 01:57:23.180]  And they sat down and he said, yeah, yeah, and that means you got no leg to stand on.
[01:57:23.180 --> 01:57:24.180]  Good.
[01:57:24.180 --> 01:57:26.180]  It's all mechanics.
[01:57:26.180 --> 01:57:28.180]  In my mind, it's just mechanical.
[01:57:28.180 --> 01:57:35.180]  You put the pieces together and they all fit, tighten the bolts and away we go.
[01:57:35.180 --> 01:57:42.180]  Put that one behind us and get on to the next one because people need help.
[01:57:42.180 --> 01:57:43.180]  I'm glad you're on.
[01:57:43.180 --> 01:57:52.180]  I hope you come on more often because this is something that's definitely beyond my scope.
[01:57:52.180 --> 01:57:54.180]  No, no, no, I don't believe that.
[01:57:54.180 --> 01:57:58.180]  But you have your thing and you're good at it.
[01:57:58.180 --> 01:57:59.180]  Yeah, I do.
[01:57:59.180 --> 01:58:04.180]  And I struggle with how to deal with judges.
[01:58:04.180 --> 01:58:08.180]  I've studied a lot of the psychology, but you bypass all of that.
[01:58:08.180 --> 01:58:11.180]  You just go to the mechanics.
[01:58:11.180 --> 01:58:13.180]  You know, I was a mechanic.
[01:58:13.180 --> 01:58:16.180]  I've got a car in my head.
[01:58:16.180 --> 01:58:18.180]  And I do with the car.
[01:58:18.180 --> 01:58:24.180]  I did it to do whatever your car is doing to figure out what's wrong with it.
[01:58:24.180 --> 01:58:32.180]  I'm hoping to have that kind of head for legal issues the way you do and hoping I can transmit that to my listeners.
[01:58:32.180 --> 01:58:34.180]  That's what you do.
[01:58:34.180 --> 01:58:36.180]  And I tell people, I said, you know, ones that can understand.
[01:58:36.180 --> 01:58:40.180]  And I said, you know, there's a wrist pin in the piston that connects the connecting rod.
[01:58:40.180 --> 01:58:44.180]  And there's two little clips at the end of the wrist pin.
[01:58:44.180 --> 01:58:47.180]  I would make sure they're in there.
[01:58:47.180 --> 01:58:50.180]  Okay, we are out of time.
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