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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.680]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.680 --> 00:09.360]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[00:09.360 --> 00:10.840]  Our liberty depends on it.
[00:10.840 --> 00:14.760]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember
[00:14.760 --> 00:16.860]  your First Amendment rights.
[00:16.860 --> 00:18.440]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.440 --> 00:22.040]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.040 --> 00:26.840]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:26.840 --> 00:32.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.000 --> 00:33.000]  Privacy.
[00:33.000 --> 00:34.560]  It's worth hanging on to.
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[00:46.440 --> 00:47.680]  It's what fighters do.
[00:47.680 --> 00:51.160]  It's also how I remember the five guarantees of the First Amendment.
[00:51.160 --> 00:54.400]  If you plan to take away my rights, I'm going to spar with you.
[00:54.400 --> 00:56.440]  S-P-A-R with an extra P.
[00:56.440 --> 01:02.800]  S for speech, P for press, another P for petition, A for assembly, and R for religion.
[01:02.800 --> 01:06.800]  Most Americans are familiar with the First Amendment guarantees of free speech, press,
[01:06.800 --> 01:10.760]  assembly, and religion, but petition for redress is another matter.
[01:10.760 --> 01:14.480]  We have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[01:14.480 --> 01:18.000]  It means that if we're unhappy with what's going on in our government, we can spell out
[01:18.000 --> 01:20.600]  the reasons without fear of being thrown into jail.
[01:20.600 --> 01:22.640]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[01:22.640 --> 01:31.000]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:31.000 --> 01:34.680]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution.
[01:34.680 --> 01:38.120]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:38.120 --> 01:39.600]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:39.600 --> 01:43.520]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember
[01:43.520 --> 01:46.640]  one of your constitutional rights.
[01:46.640 --> 01:48.240]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:48.240 --> 01:51.840]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:51.840 --> 01:56.600]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:56.600 --> 02:01.640]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[02:01.640 --> 02:04.360]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[02:14.280 --> 02:20.120]  When I think of the Second Amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms around the Bill
[02:20.120 --> 02:22.200]  of Rights in a big old bear hug.
[02:22.200 --> 02:26.680]  It's how I remember that the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms, arms
[02:26.680 --> 02:30.560]  that embrace our freedoms and won't let anyone take them away without a fight.
[02:30.560 --> 02:31.560]  Get it?
[02:31.560 --> 02:33.840]  Two arms, bear hug, bear arms?
[02:33.840 --> 02:37.440]  The late Senator Hubert Humphrey captured the spirit of the Second Amendment so well
[02:37.440 --> 02:38.440]  when he said,
[02:38.440 --> 02:43.640]  The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government,
[02:43.640 --> 02:48.720]  one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically
[02:48.720 --> 02:50.480]  has proved to always be possible.
[02:50.480 --> 02:52.360]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[02:52.360 --> 03:21.200]  More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:22.960 --> 03:44.960]  the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government,
[03:44.960 --> 03:50.320]  one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which
[03:50.320 --> 04:06.520]  now appears remote in America, but which currently as we all know has proved something
[04:06.520 --> 04:15.760]  harmful to this country that said,
[04:15.760 --> 04:17.920]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do?
[04:17.920 --> 04:24.900]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:24.900 --> 04:21.940]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do?
[04:21.940 --> 04:25.560]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do?
[04:25.560 --> 04:29.040]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:29.040 --> 04:33.140]  Bad boys, bad boys What you gonna do?
[04:33.140 --> 04:36.260]  What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:36.260 --> 04:39.880]  Nobody nuh give you no break Police nuh give you no break
[04:39.880 --> 04:43.940]  That old soldier man nuh give you no break Not even your upperclassmen nuh give you no
[04:43.940 --> 05:06.940]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[05:13.940 --> 05:25.020]  Okay, howdy, howdy, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Root of Oak Law Radio on this,
[05:25.020 --> 05:33.380]  the 14th day of April. This Friday, the 14th day of April on our 4-hour info marathon and
[05:33.380 --> 05:40.060]  this is likely to turn out to be one of my favorite shows. I have for a long time been
[05:40.060 --> 05:48.180]  trying to get Harmon Taylor to come on this show. Now, when I talk to Harmon Taylor, it
[05:48.180 --> 05:54.300]  always gives me a headache because he fills me with so much information, it takes me a
[05:54.300 --> 06:01.580]  couple of days to get it all sorted out. So grab hold of your hats, get ready for a wild ride.
[06:01.580 --> 06:10.980]  Harmon is going to talk to us about starting out with Fed Means Fed and he's going to take
[06:10.980 --> 06:16.900]  you on a ride through the legal system you will not believe. Harmon, welcome to my show,
[06:16.900 --> 06:24.080]  or to our show. Randy, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be able to contribute in this
[06:24.080 --> 06:35.260]  manner, radios, the great communicator for America. I'm glad to be here.
[06:35.260 --> 06:46.580]  Okay, you've got several topics for us. Tell us about Fed Means Fed.
[06:46.580 --> 06:56.980]  Okay, we're into definitions. My favorite source for understanding this system of government
[06:56.980 --> 07:07.820]  is Webster's 1828. And we can go through Webster's 1828 with several terms regarding federal.
[07:07.820 --> 07:15.740]  And we go through there, we study them, we boil away all of the extra. And what we're
[07:15.740 --> 07:22.300]  left with is the understanding of the term federal. Now you and I and everybody that
[07:22.300 --> 07:29.740]  we know and the great part of the population of your audience is going to say that federal
[07:29.740 --> 07:38.500]  means national. We've been conditioned to have that connection in our mind. Federal
[07:38.500 --> 07:50.060]  does not mean national. Federal has never meant national, except with the cultural overwrite.
[07:50.060 --> 07:57.740]  And that's not what federal means. The other federal overwrite that we get, the other federal,
[07:57.740 --> 08:05.040]  that's probably a correct statement. That was Freudian. The other overwrite that we
[08:05.040 --> 08:16.040]  get in the term federal, by context, is that federal means constitutional. Federal does
[08:16.040 --> 08:23.540]  not now mean and has never meant constitutional. We may get into some more details about that
[08:23.540 --> 08:36.140]  later. But the context of the term on which we've been raised misleads us. And if we don't
[08:36.140 --> 08:45.140]  take the term apart and study it, then we're just lost in the sea of misdirection play
[08:45.140 --> 08:57.340]  on which we've all been raised. So to get to the understanding, we go to the dictionary
[08:57.340 --> 09:03.980]  and we understand what the term means. What does federal mean? Federal means federal.
[09:03.980 --> 09:12.140]  That begs the question. We go to the terms, we study it. Federal means, in its essence,
[09:12.140 --> 09:21.580]  by agreement. Federal means by agreement. And where we understand that this is the mechanism
[09:21.580 --> 09:30.340]  of government on which we've been raised all of our lives, which really took its foundational
[09:30.340 --> 09:38.920]  application in earnest in 1965 when they changed the money, then we understand what they're
[09:38.920 --> 09:44.460]  telling us when they say federal this, federal that, federal government here, federal this
[09:44.460 --> 09:50.980]  over there. What are they telling us? They're telling us what the meaning of color of law
[09:50.980 --> 10:02.440]  means. It means by agreement. Now, federal applies at all levels and we're so conditioned
[10:02.440 --> 10:08.900]  to limit federal to the national level that when one hears the entire system functions
[10:08.900 --> 10:17.260]  this way, you say, oh yeah, the entire system at the national level. No. The entire system.
[10:17.260 --> 10:26.540]  Pick a level. The entire system is federal. And it takes a while for that to soak in on
[10:26.540 --> 10:37.660]  the mind. The entire system is federal. Pick a level. PTA, municipality, county, this area
[10:37.660 --> 10:48.620]  called a state, and the nation. It's an entirely federal system. So when we hear the term,
[10:48.620 --> 10:54.660]  we're going to have to re-discipline to rethink that because intuitively we're going to slip
[10:54.660 --> 11:02.660]  into what we've been raised to think, which is national and constitutional. We have to
[11:02.660 --> 11:09.400]  re-teach ourselves and that means repetition. We have to repeat to ourselves federal means
[11:09.400 --> 11:17.620]  federal until such time as the correct understanding is the intuitive response to it. So for so
[11:17.620 --> 11:24.700]  long as we're thinking that federal means national and only constitutional, it will
[11:24.700 --> 11:31.820]  be good for us to drill ourselves in self-education. Repeat it however many times a day we need
[11:31.820 --> 11:39.180]  to repeat it for it to start to take shape. Federal means federal. What does federal mean?
[11:39.180 --> 11:50.020]  By agreement. So you say by agreement. Yes. It makes me think, I don't typically think
[11:50.020 --> 12:00.500]  of national. I typically think of the federation and I think of kind of conglomeration or joining
[12:00.500 --> 12:05.780]  together of smaller pieces. But you say by agreement. That kind of opens up my understanding
[12:05.780 --> 12:12.580]  and I hadn't thought about it before. Where your mind goes is this is like bona fide.
[12:12.580 --> 12:17.980]  I wonder if this is connected to the trust part of agreement to where people are agreeing
[12:17.980 --> 12:29.180]  something together. We can get into, yeah. You saw that coming. You spoke about that
[12:29.180 --> 12:42.180]  before the show started. Oh yeah? We can go there to stay focused a little bit on federal.
[12:42.180 --> 12:49.740]  It sounds like the term that comes to your mind is the term I would say of confederation.
[12:49.740 --> 12:59.260]  That's a far better place for the mind to go on the term federal than either the two
[12:59.260 --> 13:05.980]  things on which we're all raised and conditioned to think of. I mean here's the term. It clobbers
[13:05.980 --> 13:13.860]  us in the nose daily, sometimes hourly and we're conditioned away from the message.
[13:13.860 --> 13:21.220]  The message is true. So anyway, it sounds like your concept is confederation and that's
[13:21.220 --> 13:27.180]  a good place to go. Yes, it has everything to do with agreement and we may get into the
[13:27.180 --> 13:33.920]  trust stuff. It's just interesting that we start there. It's interesting that that comes
[13:33.920 --> 13:40.180]  up so early and good for you. That's a good place to start.
[13:40.180 --> 13:47.700]  Let me test my understanding. When I think federal, what I really think is the federal
[13:47.700 --> 13:54.300]  government and you're saying I should not be thinking the federal government. I should
[13:54.300 --> 14:02.580]  be thinking of federal as a type of government, not as a particular government. Am I correct
[14:02.580 --> 14:12.660]  in that? Yes, good for you. It is a term of description,
[14:12.660 --> 14:19.300]  not a reference to the system itself. But like you said, it's an overwrite that we
[14:19.300 --> 14:24.220]  have in our mind, sort of a short circuit that we take when we hear that word we don't
[14:24.220 --> 14:28.180]  think it through. We jump to here's what it means.
[14:28.180 --> 14:36.980]  Exactly right and we're conditioned to do that. It's not accidental that we're conditioned
[14:36.980 --> 14:48.380]  to do that and in this way, the system operating against us functions in our face by its correct
[14:48.380 --> 14:56.300]  labeling and in such a way that we don't get it yet.
[14:56.300 --> 15:02.020]  And that's what I'm saying. It's not accidental that it works this way.
[15:02.020 --> 15:12.260]  Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, I'm going to conclude it too. As at
[15:12.260 --> 15:19.060]  the end of the paragraph, the last statement on the paragraph here and the last statement
[15:19.060 --> 15:27.140]  on the paragraph is essentially, as we come to understand this term, we come to understand
[15:27.140 --> 15:37.820]  what we're dealing with systemically. And why does that matter? That matters because
[15:37.820 --> 15:48.100]  we intend to solve problems and we can't solve the problem that we haven't identified correctly
[15:48.100 --> 15:56.300]  yet. So if we're going to solve a problem, we first
[15:56.300 --> 16:01.900]  need to identify it correctly. And this is the point.
[16:01.900 --> 16:08.660]  Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Or else we're flailing at the wind trying to solve
[16:08.660 --> 16:18.860]  the wrong problem. Exactly. That's exactly right.
[16:18.860 --> 16:31.060]  Is this the point you came to understand when you took on the Terry McVeigh case and you
[16:31.060 --> 16:40.340]  told us that the judges hit you with a padded two by four. And just for everyone out there,
[16:40.340 --> 16:47.740]  Harmon was the first one to say to me, when the federal courts render a judgment, read
[16:47.740 --> 16:55.740]  it carefully because they will tell you what is wrong and how to fix it if you pay attention.
[16:55.740 --> 17:02.740]  That was extremely good advice. Hang on. We'll be right back.
[18:55.740 --> 19:08.180]  We're listening to the Logos Radio Network, logosradio network.com.
[19:25.740 --> 19:43.180]  The world is spinning like it's out of control, on the edge of a hole, inside a deep dark
[19:43.180 --> 19:56.700]  hole. I'm always on the lookout for something to soothe my soul. So I sit back and I watch
[19:56.700 --> 20:00.700]  the evidence unfold, and I see justice is the door.
[20:00.700 --> 20:06.580]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelvin, Brett Fountain, Wood of Law Radio, and we have our very special
[20:06.580 --> 20:12.860]  guest, Mr. Harmon Taylor. And when we went out, I referenced that Harmon Taylor used
[20:12.860 --> 20:22.580]  to be a bar cart and turned it in in disgust. But when Terry McVeigh apparently blew up
[20:22.580 --> 20:29.300]  the J.P. Murrow building, Harmon was representing a grandmother of one of the children there.
[20:29.300 --> 20:37.420]  And didn't you force them, the feds, to release some 3,000 documents they were withholding?
[20:37.420 --> 20:50.420]  But at the end, you said they hit you with a padded tube before. I have been telling
[20:50.420 --> 20:57.700]  people here on the air, when the federal judge renders a judgment, read it, pay attention
[20:57.700 --> 21:03.340]  to it. And you're exactly where I got that from. Will you tell us about that?
[21:03.340 --> 21:09.620]  I call the case the Terre Haute litigation. What was the point of the litigation? The
[21:09.620 --> 21:18.300]  point of the litigation was to preserve evidence for the civil claims by the survivors. Part
[21:18.300 --> 21:26.700]  of the evidence that we wanted would be on McVeigh's mind, and part of it might have
[21:26.700 --> 21:34.860]  been in McVeigh's body itself. There were some issues about who and what and where,
[21:34.860 --> 21:43.340]  and no real need to get into any of that now. But if I ever made a top ten list, I would
[21:43.340 --> 21:50.660]  have made a top three list in that case. Top three of what? Top three of lawyers in this
[21:50.660 --> 22:00.460]  nation that DOJ did not want to take a deposition of McVeigh. I know I made that list. I have
[22:00.460 --> 22:07.420]  to be in the top three of the lawyers in the country that they did not want to take a deposition
[22:07.420 --> 22:13.380]  of Timothy McVeigh. So that didn't happen. We did not get the deposition.
[22:13.380 --> 22:18.700]  Let's talk about what happened. What happened was at trial, we filed the paperwork. The
[22:18.700 --> 22:27.100]  trial court, up until really until the dismissal, handled it very diplomatically. The basic
[22:27.100 --> 22:33.820]  message first time through was, I don't see it, try again. What were we doing at first?
[22:33.820 --> 22:39.500]  We were saying, how can you possibly execute someone when the trial court never had authority
[22:39.500 --> 22:49.760]  over the case in the first place? We threw two provisions, two concepts, two foundational
[22:49.760 --> 22:58.660]  policies that limit an Article III court from having jurisdiction over that case. What's
[22:58.660 --> 23:04.300]  the first one? The first one has to do with Article III. It's been a long time since I
[23:04.300 --> 23:10.140]  reviewed it, so I may be showing off here to remember this. Article III, Section 2,
[23:10.140 --> 23:15.700]  Article IV, Section 2, and the Sixth Amendment, what did those say? Those say, if the bad
[23:15.700 --> 23:22.260]  guy hits and runs, and I'm not talking about hit and run, a car accident. He clobbers somebody
[23:22.260 --> 23:28.820]  and runs away to another state. He steals money and runs away to another state, etc.
[23:28.820 --> 23:35.900]  So hit and run, if the bad guy hits and runs and he's found in another state, what happens?
[23:35.900 --> 23:42.620]  He can be arrested in that state and face a process called extradition. Article III,
[23:42.620 --> 23:46.540]  Section 2, Article IV, Section 2, and the Sixth Amendment, what did they say? They say
[23:46.540 --> 23:55.580]  that there's one state that has authority over that criminal charge. If he's in another
[23:55.580 --> 24:00.140]  state, he gets to say, I don't need to be taken back there. It's not me. You got the
[24:00.140 --> 24:06.860]  wrong person, that sort of thing. That's the extradition proceeding. The state having authority
[24:06.860 --> 24:13.820]  to prosecute the crime has to go to the state where the party is found and say, you've got
[24:13.820 --> 24:20.500]  him. We need him. Send him back. That's the extradition process.
[24:20.500 --> 24:26.540]  But what's the point? There's one state that has authority over the crime. Where were the
[24:26.540 --> 24:34.700]  homicides committed? There were homicides committed here. Where were they committed?
[24:34.700 --> 24:44.700]  In Oklahoma. Okay. So what did the transfer to Colorado do? What did that accomplish?
[24:44.700 --> 24:50.140]  From the point of view of Article III, Section 2, Article IV, Section 2, and the Sixth Amendment,
[24:50.140 --> 24:56.980]  it turns foundational constitutional policy totally and completely on its ear. What does
[24:56.980 --> 25:04.780]  the transfer to Colorado do? It exports a criminal case. It is the exact opposite of
[25:04.780 --> 25:10.820]  extradition. It's the exact opposite. You can't get more opposite. The people setting
[25:10.820 --> 25:16.980]  this up are just kind of laughing up their sleeves. We laugh all kinds of ways. We'll
[25:16.980 --> 25:24.620]  just call it laughing up their sleeves. Look what we can do to this system. They trashed
[25:24.620 --> 25:30.100]  the concept of extradition by exporting a criminal case.
[25:30.100 --> 25:39.980]  So we, yours truly, if you can imagine arguing the Constitution on behalf of the survivors
[25:39.980 --> 25:47.060]  of the Murrah-Billing bombing, I mean, is there more classic circumstance than that? I can't
[25:47.060 --> 25:54.260]  think of it. So here are the survivors under the direction of yours truly marching into
[25:54.260 --> 26:00.700]  court in Tarot, Indiana. Why Tarot, Indiana? Because that's where McVeigh was. He's in
[26:00.700 --> 26:06.900]  the custodian's care in the prison facility in Tarot, Indiana. That's why he filed it
[26:06.900 --> 26:12.540]  there. Why is it the Tarot litigation? Because that's where he filed it. Why did we file
[26:12.540 --> 26:17.060]  it there? Because that's where McVeigh is.
[26:17.060 --> 26:24.940]  And so his custodian, we'd have to go back to the case. I think it's LAPIN, L-A-P-P-I-N.
[26:24.940 --> 26:29.860]  We can go back and check that. But that's the custodian. And we said, look, you can't
[26:29.860 --> 26:36.220]  throw the switch on this guy. We need information from him. So that's the lawsuit. In a lot
[26:36.220 --> 26:41.340]  of circumstances, if it had been anything else, we might've called it habeas. We can't
[26:41.340 --> 26:47.860]  do habeas, so we did the equitable equivalent. The trial court, I'm pretty sure the trial
[26:47.860 --> 26:52.820]  court understood that. The appellate court understood it immediately. When we got there,
[26:52.820 --> 26:57.300]  they basically confirmed right out of the chute, we get it. We see what you're doing,
[26:57.300 --> 26:58.940]  kid, and you're doing fine.
[26:58.940 --> 27:04.340]  Okay, so we were doing the equitable equivalent to habeas for political reasons. We don't
[27:04.340 --> 27:11.580]  want the victim showing up purporting to say, we're on McVeigh's side. We can't run habeas.
[27:11.580 --> 27:17.900]  We can run the equitable equivalent of habeas. And in some sense, it's basically a legal
[27:17.900 --> 27:23.260]  remedy. It's called perpetuation of testimony. But that's where we went second. The first
[27:23.260 --> 27:29.380]  was, why is he on death row at all? You have no authority to try this case. Why not? It's
[27:29.380 --> 27:36.820]  unsupported. What happened here defies Article 3, Section 2, Article 4, Section 2 of the
[27:36.820 --> 27:43.780]  Sixth Amendment. There's nothing about Colorado that has one shred of authority over the homicide
[27:43.780 --> 27:46.900]  cases in Colorado and Oklahoma.
[27:46.900 --> 27:48.940]  Okay.
[27:48.940 --> 27:53.540]  So it's not like one of these situations where you could go after the person in the place
[27:53.540 --> 27:58.100]  it was committed or in the place of his residence or in the place of the residence of the victim
[27:58.100 --> 28:01.420]  or anything like that. It just was totally unrelated.
[28:01.420 --> 28:06.500]  Correct. If it had followed any of the policies that you just identified, it would have been
[28:06.500 --> 28:15.900]  in Oklahoma because that's where all the action took place. Okay. The second reason we said
[28:15.900 --> 28:21.140]  there's nothing in Colorado that has any authority over this is because they're in the wrong
[28:21.140 --> 28:29.140]  court system. To be a purist in the terms of being a constitutionist, that whole case
[28:29.140 --> 28:36.500]  was a homicide case. It was a homicide case where the instrumentality is a device that
[28:36.500 --> 28:43.940]  expands rapidly with an awful lot of energy. Okay. We can use the other term. It starts
[28:43.940 --> 28:49.420]  with a B. It's got four letters. Okay. That's what we're talking about. I'm going to describe
[28:49.420 --> 29:00.060]  it as a high energy, rapid expansion device. Okay. Everyone knows what I'm talking about,
[29:00.060 --> 29:08.780]  and so that's the instrumentality. When you get to instrumentality, it's 100% irrelevant.
[29:08.780 --> 29:15.220]  Instrumentality doesn't matter. If it's an ice pick, if it's a screwdriver, if it's
[29:15.220 --> 29:26.420]  a bottle of poison, if it's a self-defense projectile-based system, and that's just a
[29:26.420 --> 29:36.060]  few instrumentalities. When it comes to causing the passing in a violent manner, in an unexpected
[29:36.060 --> 29:44.100]  manner of another human being, instrumentality doesn't matter. It's a homicide. We've got
[29:44.100 --> 29:53.700]  a break coming up. Yes, we have a break. Hang on. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Root of
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[33:12.780 --> 33:29.780]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio on this broadcast.
[33:29.780 --> 33:37.980]  Friday, the 14th day of April, 2023. And we're talking to our very special guest, Ms.
[33:37.980 --> 33:42.020]  Torma Taylor. And when we went out, we were talking about instrumentalities.
[33:42.020 --> 33:49.820]  Instrumentality for a homicide case is totally and completely irrelevant. Homicide is a state
[33:49.820 --> 33:56.700]  issue. We can go through the list of enumerated subject matters to the national legislative
[33:56.700 --> 34:04.340]  body, and homicide is not in there. So the first point was, you're exporting a criminal
[34:04.340 --> 34:10.860]  case across state line. That defies extradition. And the second point is, this homicide case,
[34:10.860 --> 34:14.660]  what's it doing in the U.S. trial court system at all?
[34:14.660 --> 34:26.660]  Now, we need to talk here a little bit more about what the national legislature can do.
[34:26.660 --> 34:33.220]  Because there's two hats. The national legislature wears two hats. On the one hat, the main
[34:33.220 --> 34:39.740]  hat, or the subject under, well, they can wear this hat, the national legislative hat,
[34:39.740 --> 34:48.020]  the legislative authority hat, and I should call it the legislative power hat. Let's be
[34:48.020 --> 34:54.060]  a little bit more specific here. In the legislative power hat, they get to talk about the subject
[34:54.060 --> 35:02.580]  matters that are enumerated. That's the main hat. They wear another hat. They have to wear
[35:02.580 --> 35:09.900]  another hat. Why? Because there's only certain things that the national legislature is authorized
[35:09.900 --> 35:17.820]  to address, and yet for all property that's owned exclusively by the national system,
[35:17.820 --> 35:29.180]  we're the only legislature in town. Therefore what? Therefore, for all land that is not
[35:29.180 --> 35:39.220]  in or recognized to be part of a state, the only way to define and punish anything we
[35:39.220 --> 35:46.340]  call our penal code, assault, somebody clobbers somebody else in the nose, somebody takes
[35:46.340 --> 35:51.020]  somebody else's pocketbook, and we just go down the list of the normal things you find
[35:51.020 --> 35:59.380]  a penal code. Who's going to define that? No state has the authority to define anything
[35:59.380 --> 36:04.140]  relative to land owned by the national system.
[36:04.140 --> 36:07.500]  Or anywhere beyond the state.
[36:07.500 --> 36:13.860]  Anywhere beyond the state. So, who has the authority to do that? The national legislature.
[36:13.860 --> 36:22.060]  That's their second hat. It's called the exclusive legislative authority. Basically, it's intuitively
[36:22.060 --> 36:29.900]  labeled. They exclusively have legislative power. So, what we have to be very careful
[36:29.900 --> 36:36.060]  about with legislation, we have to be very careful about it, is okay, they've got the
[36:36.060 --> 36:43.340]  authority to do it. Now, under which hat did they do this thing? Did they wear the national
[36:43.340 --> 36:50.700]  legislation hat, or did they wear the exclusive legislative authority hat? Why does this matter?
[36:50.700 --> 36:57.500]  This matters because the national legislature, and not just the authority, I'm going to go
[36:57.500 --> 37:04.700]  on and say they've got the duty. It's not optional. They have to define and punish,
[37:04.700 --> 37:10.900]  and what do I mean by punish? They define the crime and set the punishment. Okay, so
[37:10.900 --> 37:18.620]  you steal $10,000, maybe that's a Class A misdemeanor, maybe that's a third degree felony,
[37:18.620 --> 37:25.180]  and they have to decide that. Okay, so that's what I mean by define and punish. Actual punishment
[37:25.180 --> 37:30.260]  happens judicially, and some people are confused by the labeling here. What do you mean punish?
[37:30.260 --> 37:35.660]  Isn't that a judge's job? Yes, it's a judge's job to hand out the punishment, but what punishment
[37:35.660 --> 37:42.100]  does the judge hand out? The judge will hand out a punishment. You just have to pay attention
[37:42.100 --> 37:48.220]  to what the legislature defined, right? Exactly, and so it depends. I use theft because that's
[37:48.220 --> 37:58.940]  the obvious crime-defined area that depends on the amount stolen. You steal the $3, well,
[37:58.940 --> 38:05.140]  that's going to be a Class C misdemeanor. Now, what gradation scale am I using? I'm
[38:05.140 --> 38:10.780]  using the one that is used in Texas. Different states have different gradations, and the
[38:10.780 --> 38:18.420]  national system has its own gradation. So, just to make the point of the gradation, if
[38:18.420 --> 38:23.540]  it's a little amount, it's a misdemeanor, and if it's a big amount, it's a felony. Okay,
[38:23.540 --> 38:32.420]  who tells us what that is when the land is exclusively owned and operated by the national
[38:32.420 --> 38:39.380]  system? There's only one group who can tell us. It's the national legislature wearing
[38:39.380 --> 38:53.140]  the quasi-state legislative hat. Okay, the national legislature has not just the authority,
[38:53.140 --> 39:01.860]  but also the duty to define and punish homicide. They have to. Okay, so when they do that,
[39:01.860 --> 39:11.080]  where does that legislation apply? Only in places that are not a state. Correct. So,
[39:11.080 --> 39:20.180]  if we're in downtown Oklahoma City, are we talking about state penal code or exclusive
[39:20.180 --> 39:33.920]  legislative authority penal code? Keep going. You're about to step right into where we need
[39:33.920 --> 39:44.100]  to go to answer this question. Keep going. It would depend on where the J.P. Murrow building
[39:44.100 --> 39:53.740]  actually sits. Does it sit in this state, or does it sit in the Fed? Excellent. So,
[39:53.740 --> 40:01.980]  how do we answer that question? Has the J.P. Murrow building property been ceded to the
[40:01.980 --> 40:07.060]  federal government? This is perfect. What are the two steps for that? The two things
[40:07.060 --> 40:14.580]  that have to happen. Do you remember what those are? It may be an unfair question. I'll
[40:14.580 --> 40:21.220]  go through it. There have to be two things. There has to be a deed that transfers title,
[40:21.220 --> 40:31.300]  and there has to be an act by the state legislature that approves the transfer of title. Guess
[40:31.300 --> 40:41.260]  what? Two facts specifically do not exist regarding the Murrow building. The Murrow building
[40:41.260 --> 40:52.800]  apparently is rented from some entity in the state and is still a part of this state. Okay.
[40:52.800 --> 40:56.940]  Bottom line. You jump to the bottom line and that's fine. The two facts that don't exist
[40:56.940 --> 41:03.180]  and this came out, I'm not kidding. I'm satisfied this came out within a week after the bombing.
[41:03.180 --> 41:10.300]  Some journalists got onto this and talked about it. I'm pretty sure this came out within
[41:10.300 --> 41:17.540]  a week. It certainly came out within the first two weeks. There is no legislation transferring
[41:17.540 --> 41:28.460]  any title to anything regarding that property. There's no deed. Where you're headed is excellent.
[41:28.460 --> 41:36.340]  We don't know until we check where does this property fit. Does it fit within state code
[41:36.340 --> 41:42.700]  or does it fit within the exclusive legislative authority through the national legislature?
[41:42.700 --> 41:50.580]  The answer is it can't fit into the national legislature if we're following constitutional
[41:50.580 --> 41:57.660]  restrictions. It can't. Why? There's no deed and there's no legislation, no state legislation
[41:57.660 --> 42:05.060]  approving a deed. You have to have both. According to the Constitution, and I don't want to pound
[42:05.060 --> 42:12.780]  that phrase. I'm just going to pound it here. According to the Constitution, you have to
[42:12.780 --> 42:18.980]  have a deed and a legislative act. We don't have either one of those.
[42:18.980 --> 42:25.620]  We come back. It's an excellent sub-point there. Excellent. We come back to the main
[42:25.620 --> 42:36.140]  question having answered the sub-point. Who defines homicide relevant to the Murrah Building
[42:36.140 --> 42:38.140]  bombing?
[42:38.140 --> 42:46.940]  Would it be okay to take a little sidetrack here and ask about why we're calling it homicide?
[42:46.940 --> 42:55.980]  Because I'm wondering if the people who wanted to prosecute federally would be able to have
[42:55.980 --> 43:00.220]  an excuse to do that if they said, oh, this is not homicide. This is killing persons aiding
[43:00.220 --> 43:05.540]  federal investigations. That's under Title 18 and we're going to prosecute that federal
[43:05.540 --> 43:06.540]  crime.
[43:06.540 --> 43:23.380]  We're headed there. It's not quite the same analysis that you're talking about, but you're
[43:23.380 --> 43:34.380]  headed in the right direction. They obviously kept it in the US court system. We got a break
[43:34.380 --> 43:35.380]  coming up.
[43:35.380 --> 43:37.380]  You got 20 seconds.
[43:37.380 --> 43:43.100]  Okay. We'll take a break. We'll leave that as the cliffhanger and come back. They obviously
[43:43.100 --> 43:45.100]  left it in the US court system.
[43:45.100 --> 43:53.340]  Okay. Hang on. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rue La Radio. We're still leaving the phones
[43:53.340 --> 44:00.460]  off. We'll be right back.
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[46:50.540 --> 46:56.780]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to our
[46:56.780 --> 47:04.220]  special guest, Mr. Harman Taylor. When we went out, we were talking about the problem
[47:04.220 --> 47:15.780]  with who gets to beat up Terry McVeigh, who owns that building, who has jurisdiction.
[47:15.780 --> 47:20.900]  So far, it looks like Oklahoma, but I'm sure we're going to wind up somewhere else.
[47:20.900 --> 47:26.620]  Yeah, we definitely wound up somewhere else. They left it in the US system. What we've
[47:26.620 --> 47:36.540]  just identified is there's absolutely no constitutional reason, justification for having done that.
[47:36.540 --> 47:42.540]  We've just identified that homicide is homicide. There's absolutely no reason for the national
[47:42.540 --> 47:52.220]  legislature under the exclusive legislative authority hat to expect any legislation out
[47:52.220 --> 48:02.780]  of Washington to apply to the homicides committed in downtown Oklahoma City.
[48:02.780 --> 48:12.300]  How is it that we get in the US system homicide cases that should never have been brought
[48:12.300 --> 48:18.640]  into the US court system in the first place? That is the question at the end. Can't they
[48:18.640 --> 48:28.220]  say that this isn't homicide? It's something else. Yeah, but they've gone a different route.
[48:28.220 --> 48:36.540]  Their different route is to carve out instrumentalities. It tells us something else about our national
[48:36.540 --> 48:44.700]  system. It's hugely significant about that. But their mechanism is basically this. They
[48:44.700 --> 48:49.680]  didn't really call it something other than homicide. They did. They used the death penalty
[48:49.680 --> 49:00.060]  because this rapidly expanding high-energy device caused death. So their claim is use
[49:00.060 --> 49:09.500]  of a device that expends a lot of energy in rapid expansion. But what they're saying is
[49:09.500 --> 49:16.440]  we're carving out an instrumentality. If you use a device that releases a lot of energy
[49:16.440 --> 49:29.900]  and expands rapidly, we get that. So if it's a B star MB device, now the feds get to prosecute
[49:29.900 --> 49:32.940]  those homicide cases. What?
[49:32.940 --> 49:41.540]  Yes, it's an instrumentality case. It's an instrumentality thing. If the perpetrator
[49:41.540 --> 49:49.140]  uses a high-energy release, rapidly expanding device to cause the death of another human
[49:49.140 --> 49:57.660]  being, that goes into the US trial court system. So just keep these pieces. We don't have gold
[49:57.660 --> 50:02.020]  and silver in general circulation either. I think we're going to come to this topic,
[50:02.020 --> 50:07.820]  but these are just pieces along the way. Just pieces. Write them down. They change the ruling
[50:07.820 --> 50:14.780]  about instrumentality. The national legislature says if this is the instrumentality, then
[50:14.780 --> 50:17.460]  the national system prosecutes it.
[50:17.460 --> 50:24.100]  Well, I hope that's something that can be decided from that end instead of decided from
[50:24.100 --> 50:29.100]  the end that had authority to prosecute in the first place.
[50:29.100 --> 50:36.220]  All to be explained. Right now, we have exactly that sort of raised eyebrow. How in the world
[50:36.220 --> 50:44.340]  do they get by with this? The answer is, obviously, the language that we read in this document
[50:44.340 --> 50:52.340]  called the Constitution is not limiting them. Hang on to that. Just make notes. If this
[50:52.340 --> 50:59.460]  had been an Article III mechanism, they could never have exported a criminal case, period.
[50:59.460 --> 51:04.060]  No matter what court system it's in, they could never have exported it. Now we're saying
[51:04.060 --> 51:13.460]  they're basically applying US law to define and punish a homicide. We should have an eyebrow
[51:13.460 --> 51:19.700]  raised and maybe in such a way that it feels like it's been sprayed with a lot of starch.
[51:19.700 --> 51:22.700]  You have a permanently raised eyebrow here.
[51:22.700 --> 51:31.020]  Instrumentality. There's another instrumentality. If the homicide is caused by wrecking a device
[51:31.020 --> 51:40.260]  that depends on Bernoulli, and what do I mean by that? I mean an airplane. Bernoulli is
[51:40.260 --> 51:48.940]  the guy who said, okay, if you increase the arc on the top of the wing, the air takes
[51:48.940 --> 51:55.860]  longer to go across that, so it reduces the air pressure, and therefore you get lift.
[51:55.860 --> 52:04.180]  That's Bernoulli. When I talk about Bernoulli, I'm talking about airplanes. If a device that
[52:04.180 --> 52:11.700]  depends on Bernoulli is the instrumentality, that goes into the national system also. They're
[52:11.700 --> 52:18.860]  carving out instrumentalities, let me tell you. During one of the music administrations
[52:18.860 --> 52:26.460]  led by an individual who said this in one of his speeches, I know you'll agree with
[52:26.460 --> 52:33.460]  me that America is one of the greatest countries in the world. Applause, applause, applause.
[52:33.460 --> 52:42.420]  Immediately next sentence, I want you to help me change that. Applause, applause, applause.
[52:42.420 --> 52:49.980]  I heard him say it. We can go get the videos of those presentations, because it was either
[52:49.980 --> 52:57.320]  an inaugural speech or a convention speech, and I don't remember which, but the words
[52:57.320 --> 53:04.620]  came out of that man's mouth of that content in that sequence juxtaposed just like I've
[53:04.620 --> 53:08.700]  presented it. I know you agree with me, America is one of the greatest countries in the world.
[53:08.700 --> 53:16.740]  I want you to help me change that. That's what he said. He got elected.
[53:16.740 --> 53:23.240]  This is what's happening. We have two instrumentalities here, rapidly expanding high-energy release
[53:23.240 --> 53:31.020]  devices and devices that depend on Bernoulli to travel. You have one of those and you're
[53:31.020 --> 53:39.420]  in the national system. Why? It's homicide with that instrumentality. The defense bar
[53:39.420 --> 53:44.660]  of course should be just pulling their hair out. How can this be? The answer is we're
[53:44.660 --> 53:50.180]  getting there, but we need to understand these pieces along the way so that when we drop
[53:50.180 --> 53:56.040]  the other shoe, it's not quite such a wicked paradigm shift as it would be without a little
[53:56.040 --> 54:00.740]  bit of prep and buffering. What they're saying, and to answer your question, did they call
[54:00.740 --> 54:02.740]  it something different? Yes.
[54:02.740 --> 54:07.540]  Wait, are you speaking to a padded two-by-four?
[54:07.540 --> 54:15.460]  We're getting to the padded two-by-four. We're getting there, but this is part and
[54:15.460 --> 54:22.020]  parcel of the case that we present. The case that we present, from the Constitutionist
[54:22.020 --> 54:28.660]  point of view, is a slam dunk case. You can't put a homicide case into the U.S. You can't
[54:28.660 --> 54:36.780]  export a homicide case. You can't export a criminal case across the state lines, and
[54:36.780 --> 54:42.140]  what are you doing trying a homicide case in the U.S. court system? The Constitutionists
[54:42.140 --> 54:49.180]  would turn in their living rooms, and those who have passed turn in their graves. What
[54:49.180 --> 54:56.220]  in the world are you people doing? Okay, they're making a statement. They're making a statement.
[54:56.220 --> 55:02.780]  That's the case. In a nutshell, we're throwing the Constitution at this system on behalf
[55:02.780 --> 55:08.500]  of the survivors of the Murrah Building bombing, and we need evidence. From whom? McVeigh.
[55:08.500 --> 55:14.740]  We didn't get it. Trial court said, try again. We said, okay, if you're not going to dismiss
[55:14.740 --> 55:19.740]  for want of jurisdiction, we need to perpetuate testimony.
[55:19.740 --> 55:26.860]  We mentioned one rule. The appellate court after that dismissed on... I'm going to say
[55:26.860 --> 55:32.020]  it's a less than foundational reason for the dismissal. They had all of our paperwork.
[55:32.020 --> 55:37.380]  They said it was a timing thing. Well, we faxed it in. They had it. The appellate court
[55:37.380 --> 55:43.100]  kind of chided them for it. Other than that, trial court handled that case, I thought,
[55:43.100 --> 55:49.340]  very diplomatically. I thought they handled it very well. The appellate court turned their
[55:49.340 --> 55:57.260]  ruling around on a dime. I don't think we spent more than four days getting materials
[55:57.260 --> 56:03.780]  to them. Their ruling came out on a Saturday or a Sunday. I'm going to say Sunday. It came
[56:03.780 --> 56:09.780]  out on the weekend. It may have been a Saturday, but it came out on the weekend. They cranked
[56:09.780 --> 56:12.700]  through this in a hurry.
[56:12.700 --> 56:17.420]  The first thing, basically two segments to the ruling, and the opening of the ruling
[56:17.420 --> 56:25.420]  is they're trying to perpetuate testimony. They put out one rule, and here's two more.
[56:25.420 --> 56:34.860]  The other thing that litigants taking on new issues in the U.S. court system run into all
[56:34.860 --> 56:41.060]  the time, it's a barrier, is standing. I think the appellate court was impressed that we
[56:41.060 --> 56:46.300]  didn't have that problem. All the people that we picked, could have picked, could have listed
[56:46.300 --> 56:50.780]  as plaintiffs in that case, of all the people we could have listed. There are a lot of people
[56:50.780 --> 56:57.940]  saying, you can include us in there if you need to. I mean, we had a list of people.
[56:57.940 --> 57:01.540]  It's tremendous the number of people saying, yeah, we'll participate.
[57:01.540 --> 57:10.820]  We ended up with Jane Graham and V.C. Lawton as representatives of the entire group of
[57:10.820 --> 57:23.620]  survivors of the massacre. The appellate court says, effectively, these people obviously
[57:23.620 --> 57:30.180]  have standing to request what they're requesting. They didn't stand on ceremony about it, but
[57:30.180 --> 57:38.060]  they did comment on it in a way that's favorable. Basically to say, this is a material issue
[57:38.060 --> 57:43.500]  for a lot of people and not an issue for you. You went straight to people who have standing
[57:43.500 --> 57:51.740]  to do this. In some sense, good for you. Now, let's go on to the rest of the case.
[57:51.740 --> 57:58.540]  About that segment, they say, perpetuation of testimony is 100% part of this system.
[57:58.540 --> 58:07.300]  They're 100% correct about that. They've done great in standing. Now, sit down, mess
[58:07.300 --> 58:10.300]  up your seatbelt. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
[58:10.300 --> 58:13.300]  Okay, 30 seconds.
[58:13.300 --> 58:21.900]  Oh, well, that's a good place to leave it because the bumpy ride is what comes up next.
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[01:00:02.220 --> 01:00:06.960]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution. They guarantee the specific
[01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:11.640]  freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it. I'm Dr. Catherine
[01:00:11.640 --> 01:00:16.400]  Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional
[01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.400]  rights.
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[01:00:46.600 --> 01:00:50.480]  Imagine your mom and dad are getting ready for bed. They pull back the covers and find
[01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:55.220]  a third party there. He announces, I'm with the military and I'm sleeping here tonight.
[01:00:55.220 --> 01:00:59.360]  That shocking image of a third party in my parents' bed reminds me what the Third Amendment
[01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:04.200]  was designed to prevent. It protects us from being forced to share our homes with soldiers,
[01:01:04.200 --> 01:01:09.000]  a common demand in the days of our Founding Fathers. Third party, Third Amendment? Get
[01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.320]  it? So if you answer a knock at your door and guys in fatigues demand lodging, tell
[01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.560]  them to dust off their copy of the Bill of Rights and reread the Third Amendment. I'm
[01:01:17.560 --> 01:01:32.120]  Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:01:32.120 --> 01:01:36.880]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution. They guarantee the specific
[01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:41.560]  freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it. I'm Dr. Catherine
[01:01:41.560 --> 01:01:46.320]  Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional
[01:01:46.320 --> 01:02:14.840]  rights.
[01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:22.200]  Imagine four eyes staring at you through binoculars, a magnifying glass, or a pair of x-ray goggles.
[01:02:22.200 --> 01:02:26.680]  That imagery reminds me that the Fourth Amendment guarantees Americans freedom from unreasonable
[01:02:26.680 --> 01:02:31.880]  search and seizure. Fourth Amendment? Four eyes staring at you? Get it? Unfortunately,
[01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.680]  the government is trampling our Fourth Amendment rights in the name of security. Case in point,
[01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:41.360]  TSA airport scanners that peer under your clothing. When government employees demand
[01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:45.960]  a peep at your privates without probable cause, I say it's time to sound the constitutional
[01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.800]  alarm bells. Join me in asking our representatives to dust off the Bill of Rights and use their
[01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:55.760]  googly eyes to take a gander at the Fourth. I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and
[01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:19.880]  information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:35.760]  I won't pay for the war with my body. Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money. I won't
[01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:42.560]  pay for the fun with my body. Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy. Ain't gonna
[01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:49.760]  pay for the war with my body. I won't pay for the boys with my money. Ain't gonna pay
[01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:58.760]  for the kids with my body. Their whole agenda smells funny. I wanna fight in a war of my
[01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:16.760]  own. That one would be less accidental. I wanna pay for war of my own. They live in
[01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:26.760]  glass houses so I can watch them throw bones. I wanna fight in a war I can win. I can never
[01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:31.760]  win the one that laid out me in. That one would be less accidental.
[01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:39.760]  Okay, we are back. Rated y'all. Brett Fountain with La Radio on this Friday, April the 14th,
[01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:48.760]  2023, our four hour info marathon. We have a special guest, one of the guests I've been
[01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:56.760]  trying to get on my show for years. And you will notice in his presentation some things
[01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:08.760]  that I do. I am struggling to try to imitate the master. When we went out, we were talking
[01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:16.760]  about going to a bumpy ride. So grab hold of your seats, folks. Okay, go ahead, Harmon.
[01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:26.760]  After the appellate court recognized and in their own way complemented two very fundamental
[01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:35.760]  foundational aspects of the case, they then tore it to shreds. I'm gonna translate some
[01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:43.760]  of that this way. The appellate court doesn't get this level of analysis from very many
[01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:49.760]  people. They get it, but not from very many people. They don't get it from litigators
[01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:56.760]  this, I would just say early into their career, as they got from me. And now where are we?
[01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:10.760]  We're in the summer of 2001 and May and June of 2001. So we're not fresh out of law school,
[01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:17.760]  but we're not 40 years out either. And so the appellate court is seeing the kid there.
[01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:25.760]  They're saying, okay, kid, look, we get it. You're gonna be taking cases of national significance.
[01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:31.760]  You're already doing it. You're already recognized, and we see that. You're already recognized
[01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:39.760]  as one of the country's most ardent constitutionists. Okay, now we're gonna learn you something
[01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:45.760]  so that we can teach you the rest of it. We're taking on the role of being your adjunct
[01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:52.760]  faculty, and we're gonna grade your paper here. And we've already told you that we get
[01:06:52.760 --> 01:07:00.760]  it. And we opened up saying we hear you so as to open the conversation so that you will
[01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:06.760]  hear us. You're gonna be taking on cases of national significance, and this one with an
[01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:13.760]  international following. And I mean, we were getting comments of support. I think it ended
[01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:20.760]  up being eight different countries, most of them European, people writing in support for
[01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:25.760]  it. There may have been more than that, but I'm thinking it was at least eight, which
[01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:30.760]  means the Murrow Billing bombing cases was followed everywhere where there's people who
[01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:38.760]  speak English across Europe. Okay, a lot of places, and more, I'm sure. At any rate, since
[01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:44.760]  you're taking on cases this kind, and it's never gonna stop because that's what happens
[01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:52.760]  with litigators of your interest level, we need you to understand something, and we need
[01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:58.760]  you to understand it right now. So sit down, fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy
[01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:05.760]  ride. Here comes your padded two-by-four. And they tore this case apart. They didn't
[01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:12.760]  put it in one sentence. I describe it this way in one sentence to get to the bottom line
[01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:20.760]  to communicate, but picture four, five, six different short segments, paragraphs maybe,
[01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:27.760]  and introductory sentences, properly structured introductory sentences for these paragraphs.
[01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:36.760]  And this is what they describe the case as. Frivolous, without merit, here's the biggie,
[01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:45.760]  here's the sandwich point of no authority, and here's the zinger, ludicrous. Here's the
[01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:53.760]  four points. Frivolous, without merit, of no authority, and ludicrous. Okay. It's an
[01:08:53.760 --> 01:09:00.760]  odd way to think that adjunct faculty would go about teaching their students. I mean,
[01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:06.760]  just clobber them. Yeah, exactly. Just to clobber them into next week somewhere. Okay,
[01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:14.760]  but what does this do? It rolls the shade down for just about everyone else who's gonna
[01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:19.760]  read the opinion. They're gonna read these things and stop reading. They say, oh, this
[01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:27.760]  guy's a moron. Look at what he's doing. Ha, ha, ha. He sure got his wedgie from this court.
[01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:33.760]  He sure got this cattle prod shoved up his ass. Can you say that on the radio still?
[01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:40.760]  Okay. So they stop reading, but this court knew that I was gonna see through all of that
[01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:48.760]  with my decoder shield. You remember how they used to be decoder rings and it'd be a red
[01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:56.760]  color and you'd see the language because the red's taken out. You remember those? Okay.
[01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:04.760]  Yeah. So we pull out the decoder ring and we analyze what they're saying. Without merit,
[01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:11.760]  frivolous and without merit. Okay. That's sandwich bread on the one hand and ludicrous
[01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:17.760]  is sandwich bread on the other. So what's the meat? The meat is the of no authority
[01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:24.760]  phrase. Now let's look at this. We're gonna come back and fill this in again in another
[01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:32.760]  time. What was the authority that we had argued? We had argued procedure and evidence for
[01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:39.760]  perpetuation of testimony, which the court handled in what manner? They said, we agree
[01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:45.760]  with you. We agree with you there's perpetuation of testimony. We agree with you about the
[01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:53.760]  evidence gathering process. You're absolutely correct about that. Okay. What's left?
[01:10:53.760 --> 01:11:06.760]  What authority did we argue that they haven't already fully approved? Tick-tock, tick-tock,
[01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:12.760]  double jeopardy music. Okay. The constitution. There's nothing else that we argued in the
[01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:17.760]  way of authority and they already commented on the procedure and evidence and they said,
[01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:24.760]  you're right. You're absolutely right. You list one rule, we're gonna list two others.
[01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:30.760]  Perpetuation of testimony is part of what happens here and the kids correct about that.
[01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:36.760]  So when they say of no authority, what are they talking about? The only other thing we
[01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:42.760]  talked about, which were the first two points I introduced, you can't export a criminal
[01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:47.760]  case across the state line and what in the world are you doing trying a homicide case
[01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:52.760]  in the US court system? I mean, these are starch-enforced eyebrow razors and the
[01:11:52.760 --> 01:12:03.760]  appellate court is saying of no authority. Now that's a padded two by four. Okay. And
[01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:07.760]  they sandwiched it in such a way that not very many people are going to want to bother
[01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:15.760]  reading their message, but they knew, I don't know how, call it divine intervention, but
[01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:20.760]  they knew how to present that information so that they would communicate to me. They
[01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:27.760]  figured that out. And I mean, you know how ambisol goes on the gum and your gum is instantly
[01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:36.760]  numb? Ambisol immediately is absorbed into that tissue. You know how that works? Okay.
[01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:45.760]  This information of no authority went into my mind immediately. There had been people
[01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:51.760]  that we had talked with while this case was in process, oh, with no constitution and no
[01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.760]  constitution and no constitution. Well, I would have a discussion with these people
[01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.760]  and ask them things. What about this? What about that? I knew more about the constitution
[01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:07.760]  than the group of people telling me, oh, we don't have one. And what's, so why do I describe
[01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:14.760]  it? I describe it that way because we have an informational barrier because they didn't
[01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:19.760]  know enough about what I was talking about to address it. They were telling me exact
[01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:24.760]  same exact straight word, but I couldn't hear them because they couldn't address the rest
[01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:31.760]  of what I knew about the constitution, which is an awful lot of material. And we don't
[01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:37.760]  have to get into all of that. The bottom line is they were right. And I got a padded two
[01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:50.760]  by four of no authority and no constitution. Okay. That took me two months to recover from.
[01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:56.760]  It took me two months. There were two weeks of flu-like systems and I knew it wasn't flu
[01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:01.760]  because that goes away in two or three days. This is two weeks of that. No need to get
[01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:06.760]  into the details. I think it's sufficient to call it flu-like symptoms. I had all of
[01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:14.760]  them for two weeks. Okay. That's a stress response. And the next six weeks is pretty
[01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:20.760]  much zombie land and there'll be people, Oh yeah, you're dealing with this. You're dealing
[01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:29.760]  with that. Okay. Maybe I just, I call it recovery from shock and it was shocking mine. It wasn't
[01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:37.760]  just my entire career. It's based on the understanding at a very foundational level of this thing
[01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:45.760]  called the constitution. It not just my careers, my entire life. They didn't just change my
[01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:55.760]  mind about the legal system. They completely crushed, uh, demolished, shattered a worldview
[01:14:55.760 --> 01:15:01.760]  of mine. It's a world for you. A lot of us have, because we're raised on these notions
[01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:08.760]  like what does federal mean? National constitutional? No, it doesn't. Federal means federal. Federal
[01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:14.760]  means by agreement. Okay. So they're saying there's no constitution. Well, that was a
[01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:22.760]  very large horse pill. That was a very bitter pill to swallow. And they took the time right
[01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:29.760]  now. They said, kid, we see where you're headed and there's something you got to know so
[01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:37.760]  that you can be effective. And that is, this is not where you need to be. You're not getting
[01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:46.760]  anywhere because what you're saying is authority isn't. Okay. So in the next 18 months, the
[01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:53.760]  first two months of which were recovery, I checked into the pregnant obvious question,
[01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:59.760]  which is what, if we don't have a constitution now, when did we lose it? And there's all
[01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:04.760]  kinds of people that have all kinds of time periods about when it changed and when this
[01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.760]  happened and when, and when that happened. And the answer is we just marched ourselves
[01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:14.760]  backwards through history. And now that it is okay, now that it is acceptable in the
[01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:21.760]  mind and it's a paradigm shift, and I'm going to describe it as a wicked paradigm shift.
[01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:31.760]  Now that it is okay, analytically, we're still here. The sun still rises in the east. Grapefruit
[01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:38.760]  still grows in South Texas. Nothing fundamental has changed except our view. We got a break
[01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:48.760]  coming up. Yeah, let's see. My screen went black. Sorry about that. Okay. If I'm a little
[01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:54.760]  slow responding, it's because I'm keeping my mic muted to make sure I don't interfere.
[01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.760]  Hang on. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:33.760]  and Harman's got me out here on the cliff. I'm on the ledge, hanging on with my fingernails
[01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:40.760]  and I'm waiting for a lifeline. Go ahead. Here comes a lifeline. The sun still rises
[01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:46.760]  in the east. Okay. What's our pregnant question? The pregnant question is, if we don't have
[01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:53.760]  a constitution now, when did we lose it? We just march ourselves backwards through history.
[01:19:53.760 --> 01:20:06.760]  That study took me the next 16 months to research out and to write. That's the first book. It's
[01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:15.760]  titled We the Posterity Voluntary Bondage. It's lengthy in terms of number of pages.
[01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:22.760]  I think it reads quickly. It's designed to read quickly, but there's a lot of buffering
[01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:28.760]  in there to do what? To ease the reader into what we're not really easing the audience
[01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:37.760]  into here, which is we've never had a constitution. There's several ways to prove that.
[01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:48.760]  The fastest is by looking at what the Irish constitution amendment process amounts to.
[01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:56.760]  We're not going to get into what the issue was. That's a whole other topic for a whole
[01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:03.760]  other show. The Irish wanted to amend their constitution. What's the general topic?
[01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:10.760]  Pre-natal life. When does the right to life attach? It's the Irish version of right to
[01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:14.760]  life versus abortion. That's the topic. We're not going to discuss that because the merits
[01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:19.760]  of that don't matter. It's the procedures.
[01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:26.760]  The Irish have preserved for all the world to see the ultimate in application of Athenian
[01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:35.760]  democracy. Athens was the foundational community to live by democracy. We've got fragments
[01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:41.760]  of documents. We've got a lot of fragments. We put the fragments together and come up
[01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:49.760]  with an understanding of how you run a democracy. The Irish have preserved it brilliantly.
[01:21:49.760 --> 01:22:02.760]  The process is called plebiscite, P-L-E-B-I-S-C-I-T-E, plebiscite. That's also the name of the paper
[01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:08.760]  used in this process. What's a plebiscite? A plebiscite is the means by which all across
[01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:15.760]  the country in Ireland who have the right of suffrage, what's that? The right to vote.
[01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:22.760]  All those in Ireland with the right to suffrage participate. Why? Because that's the democratic
[01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:28.760]  process. They've got it down to an art form. They do it brilliantly. They know exactly
[01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:34.760]  what to do. Everyone who has the right to suffrage participates. They'll get the plebiscite.
[01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:39.760]  I don't know if they download it or get it by the mail. We could check into that. But
[01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:45.760]  for a constitutional amendment, every single individual in that nation participates. There
[01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:52.760]  will be enough participation to justify a quorum, and the constitution is amended or
[01:22:52.760 --> 01:23:02.760]  not, depending upon the counting of those who participate by plebiscite.
[01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:11.760]  Why does that matter? All right. What form of government did we have at the time the
[01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:21.760]  British came over here and started their blockade? We're talking 1774, 1775. What is the form
[01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:29.760]  of government that we had in this nation at that time? Our independence was actually declared
[01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:36.760]  by Great Britain, and it happened before 1776. How do we know that? We know that because
[01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:40.760]  there are certain things we can depend on with the British. It's just always going to
[01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:45.760]  be this way. The British are not going to go to war against anybody if they're simultaneously
[01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:52.760]  committing treason. They're just not going there. It's just never going to happen. Okay,
[01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:58.760]  so we can depend on that. How did they avoid treason by going into war against us? It's
[01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:06.760]  documented in the Declaration. The King has put us beyond his protection. The term for
[01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:14.760]  that is outlaw. The British outlawed us. The British authority outlawed us. We're in a
[01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:23.760]  condition of outlawry. We're no longer Brits. We can't be. We've been outlawed. What does
[01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:28.760]  that mean? That means we've been declared independent, and the Brits did that. The Brits
[01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:35.760]  had to do that if they're going to activate their war machine against us to compel us
[01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:41.760]  back under their authority. They had to do it, and they did it. Okay, they followed their
[01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:47.760]  own protocol. They followed their own rules. We can depend on them for that, and they did.
[01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:53.760]  So, we were independent from them before our declaration. Now, if we didn't have a declaration,
[01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:59.760]  we'd probably have to go to Scripture and Common Law in a pretty lengthy study to determine
[01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:06.760]  what our form of government is when the British declare us outlaws. It's greatly shortened
[01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:11.760]  by the Declaration, because the Declaration identifies the form of government. How do
[01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:18.760]  we label governments correctly? We label the government by the exercise of the supreme
[01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:28.760]  power, the sovereign power, the law-making power, which is the legislative power. That's
[01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:36.760]  how we label a government. What is the nature of the law-making power, the sovereign power,
[01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:42.760]  the supreme power? Okay, it says it right there in the Declaration. Because the king
[01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:52.760]  has refused his assent to all legislation over here, the legislative power vests where?
[01:25:52.760 --> 01:26:00.760]  In the people-at-large. In the people-at-large. The legislative power vests in the people-at-large.
[01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:08.760]  What is the correct label for that form of government? Rush Limbaugh told us. He told
[01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:15.760]  us, and he told us, and people wanted to debate the point with him. He never changed his mind.
[01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:22.760]  How do we know Rush Limbaugh knew it? He called himself the Doctor of Democracy. He called
[01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:29.760]  himself the Doctor of Democracy. That is our national form. How do we know that? Well,
[01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:33.760]  we can go to the common law, we can go to Scripture. God tells us fundamentally that
[01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:41.760]  the people have the authority to form their own government. Sam is all upset. Oh, they're
[01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:46.760]  rejecting me. God says, they're not rejecting you, they're rejecting me. They don't want
[01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:51.760]  a king, they want a military dictator, so here comes Saul. What is the confirmation
[01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:56.760]  right out of Scripture? You get to pick your form of government. God's never said,
[01:26:56.760 --> 01:27:03.760]  you have to pick this kind, I recommend this kind. But if you don't want to change it,
[01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:09.760]  if you don't like your form, change it. I don't, God's saying what. I don't care what
[01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:14.760]  your form is. I do not care what your government structure is. What I care about is that you
[01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:20.760]  apply my laws. How you do it doesn't matter to me. What you do matters greatly. You need
[01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:25.760]  a military dictatorship, you better follow my rules, or you're going to get into trouble.
[01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:32.760]  So we can go to Scripture and satisfy ourselves that all bodies of politics started a foundation
[01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:37.760]  of democracy. Meaning what? Meaning they can change their spots when they want to. What
[01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:43.760]  is the form confirmed through the Declaration of Independence at the national level at the
[01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:48.760]  time we declared independence? We didn't need to, but we did, and it helped. It saves a
[01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:54.760]  lot of time and analysis of several points that really matter. What's our form of government?
[01:27:54.760 --> 01:28:00.760]  It says that the legislative power invests in the people at large. That means democracy.
[01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:07.760]  That's the form of government that we have, democracy. How does a democracy change its
[01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:19.760]  spots? Answer, by law. What is the process of making law for democracy? Plebiscite. Pregnant
[01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:27.760]  question. When in American history at the national level have we ever engaged in a plebiscite?
[01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:35.760]  Answer, never, not to this day. What is our form of government national level? Democracy.
[01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:41.760]  And it's a wicked paradigm shift, and it's why I wrote that book. We have to understand
[01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:48.760]  that we've been lied to foundationally about our form of government national level. We
[01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:56.760]  do not now have and have never had a constitution. Let's review the tarot litigation in the
[01:28:56.760 --> 01:29:03.760]  context of this fundamental understanding. In 1965, we're going back a little bit, in
[01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:08.760]  1965 we no longer had the last vestige of honest weights and measures. Gold was kicked
[01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:17.760]  out about 33 under FDR, and silver was kicked out under LBJ. It took removal of his predecessor
[01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:26.760]  by rather dramatic means to bring in the funny money system, and they're directly connected.
[01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:31.760]  Kennedy was not going with what he originally said he was going to do. At first he was on
[01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:37.760]  board, you know, let's change the money. I don't know where his mind got changed. I am
[01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:43.760]  attributing that to Bobby. I think Bobby is smart enough to figure it out. I really do
[01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:48.760]  think he did. I think he educated his brothers to what it means to get rid of honest weights
[01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:53.760]  and measures. And Jack said, we're not going there.
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[01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:03.760]  Brandy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio with our special guest, Mr. Harmon Taylor,
[01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.760]  and we were talking about weights and measures.
[01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:11.760]  Yeah, honest weights and measures. I'm satisfied that Bobby is the one that helped Jack understand
[01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:17.760]  the problem of getting away from the last vestiges of honest weights and measures.
[01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.760]  And Jack put his foot down and said, no, we're not going there.
[01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:25.760]  So he reneged his earlier promise to change the money system.
[01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:32.760]  And there are certain people obviously bound and committed to change the money system.
[01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:37.760]  So that meant changing out that office holder, and right now.
[01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:45.760]  So they changed out that office holder right now, and that would have been in 63?
[01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:53.760]  Yeah. So by 65, early 65, I think of it as January, here comes the new money system.
[01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.760]  So a little over a year later, the last vestiges of honest weights and measures,
[01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:03.760]  which are the silver quarters and dimes, are sucked out of general circulation
[01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:08.760]  and replaced with the scrap metal tokens that we now have, which are even more scrap metal tokens.
[01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:14.760]  The pennies aren't copper anymore, they're zinc. The nickels aren't nickel anymore.
[01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:20.760]  And we have scrap metal tokens and IOUs. We'll talk about the money sometime later,
[01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:25.760]  but the point is we have a very material change right there,
[01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:32.760]  and where we see that material change and we compare that and contrast that
[01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:39.760]  with the language that we call the Constitution, we have to have another starch-enforced eyebrow razor.
[01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:44.760]  How can they get rid of this?
[01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:48.760]  And the answer is, it was never a binding authority in the first place.
[01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:55.760]  We never had a plebiscite. The language that we call the Constitution was great political philosophy.
[01:35:55.760 --> 01:36:00.760]  I mean, founded in Magna Carta from 500 years prior.
[01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:07.760]  Okay, but it was never admissible evidence of law. Why? No plebiscite.
[01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:11.760]  The people who needed to approve it never participated.
[01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:16.760]  Oh, the states participated, it came in, all the states approved it.
[01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:23.760]  Okay, the states modified their treaty, which was what? The Articles of Confederation.
[01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:32.760]  It was an agreement that we call a treaty between 13 independent bodies politic that we call states,
[01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:37.760]  and they conducted themselves according to agreement, confederation.
[01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.760]  What did the Constitution do to that? It basically set it all aside.
[01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:48.760]  We're going to do this this other way. But it was never authority.
[01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:54.760]  It was never national law. Why? No plebiscite.
[01:36:54.760 --> 01:37:01.760]  So it's a wicked paradigm shift, but the national system has been functioning commercially from that moment.
[01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:08.760]  It doesn't matter how the people who get there, get there. They think they're elected. Maybe they are.
[01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:13.760]  But there are two ways to put an organization out there.
[01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:17.760]  One of them is by commercial unilateral declaration.
[01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:21.760]  How do we get the railroads? How do we get the car companies? How do we get the airplane companies?
[01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:25.760]  How do we get the corner grocery store and convenience store?
[01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:30.760]  Those are commercial enterprises unilaterally declared into existence.
[01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:36.760]  That's what business does. We unilaterally declare the business into existence.
[01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:42.760]  And we get business cards, and we provide goods and or services, and off we go.
[01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:46.760]  Perfectly legitimate way to start an activity.
[01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:52.760]  Declare it unilaterally into existence.
[01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:59.760]  The problem I have is unilateral. Who is the uni in unilateral?
[01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:11.760]  Any individual or group, a group of stockholders can get together and say, we are now a bank and trust.
[01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:16.760]  We are now an engineering firm. We are now an accounting firm.
[01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:22.760]  We are now a grain co-op.
[01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:34.760]  Any group of people can get together, any individual, any group of people can declare themselves into this, that other type of business and go forward with it.
[01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:37.760]  All business is that way. All of it.
[01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:48.760]  How do we unilaterally declare rules that apply to everyone?
[01:38:48.760 --> 01:39:01.760]  By the very process that we followed, which is this body that's there to declare the rules does so by a certain process, typically.
[01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:10.760]  And then they publish it in a particular manner. They publish it under a particular title or name.
[01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:16.760]  And now we have notice of those legislative declarations.
[01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:22.760]  We're getting there. Your question is, how does that have authority?
[01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:25.760]  There are two different kinds of authority here.
[01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:30.760]  And I divide them into the book of discipline, which is borrowed from the church.
[01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:41.760]  If we understand the national system, if we understand the state system in the model of a religious organization, which I call a church,
[01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:50.760]  if we understand that they are churches, we understand everything there is to understand.
[01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:55.760]  Well, we don't study churches. OK, let's do a crash course on churches. What is it?
[01:39:55.760 --> 01:40:01.760]  It's unilaterally declared into existence. What is a church?
[01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:08.760]  A church is a body politic congregated around a foundational moral code.
[01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:14.760]  And there is no one that's going to come up with a definition that's better than that.
[01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:19.760]  What is a church? It's a body politic congregated around a foundational moral code.
[01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:27.760]  We can get into different denominations. They have different moral codes in sometimes very slight differences.
[01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:33.760]  But we have a different moral perspective, and therefore we have a different denomination.
[01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:39.760]  OK, what's a church? A body politic congregated around a foundational moral code.
[01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:47.760]  Now, what's a state? You ready?
[01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:49.760]  I'm ready. Ready.
[01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:59.760]  A state is a body politic congregated around a foundational moral code.
[01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.760]  A church.
[01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:10.760]  Yes. Let's look at certain denominations. Let's just look at them.
[01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:18.760]  Governmentally. Let's not get into the doctrines. Let's just look at them governmentally.
[01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:24.760]  Let's look at the governments of the Muslims.
[01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:29.760]  What is the difference between their religion and their state law?
[01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:31.760]  Zero.
[01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:34.760]  Correct.
[01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:40.760]  Church and the state for those people is exactly the same thing.
[01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:45.760]  Let's look at the Jewish nations. What's the difference?
[01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:50.760]  What's the difference between their organizational structure and their fundamental national religion?
[01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:54.760]  What's the difference?
[01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:58.760]  There are different, what do we call them?
[01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:06.760]  SECS, I think is how they distinguish them. I'd call them denominations.
[01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:15.760]  They've got different ways to look at the language that they use for their religion.
[01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:25.760]  But fundamentally, there's no difference between the moral code that the government advertises as the moral code and the moral code of the church.
[01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:32.760]  The church and the state are the exact same thing. And we see it right there.
[01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:35.760]  We see it right there.
[01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:47.760]  My point with the definitions is to make that very point. There is absolutely, positively no way under the heavens to separate church and state.
[01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:53.760]  What a state can do is separate God from the moral code.
[01:42:53.760 --> 01:43:02.760]  But that just means that the state, being a body politic congregated around a foundational moral code, writes its own moral code.
[01:43:02.760 --> 01:43:07.760]  It doesn't adopt anything from God. It writes its own.
[01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:11.760]  How is that not a church?
[01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:19.760]  The moral code isn't based on God's standards for morality.
[01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:27.760]  But how is that not a church? It's a body politic congregated around a foundational moral code.
[01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:37.760]  So it's not our definition of state that needs to change. It's our definition of church or our understanding of it. Church needs to change.
[01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:42.760]  Perhaps. Sounds like music.
[01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:48.760]  It does sound like music. That annoying music keeps coming back. We've got to talk to Debra about that.
[01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:53.760]  Oh, she does a good job. She's helping keeping us on track.
[01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:59.760]  She is. Randy Shelton, Brett Fountain, Root of La Radio, we'll be right back.
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[01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:53.760]  Okay, we are back. This is the Rule of Law Radio, Randy Kelton. I'm Brett Fountain.
[01:47:53.760 --> 01:48:03.760]  And we're here talking with our special guest, Harman Taylor. Harman, where you were going, you were talking about churches and religions and how this is similar.
[01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:16.760]  And I'm trying to make a correlation in my mind, and I wanted to ask you about how is it that with, you were talking about a plebiscite and everybody needs to vote.
[01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:24.760]  That's how a leopard changes its spots. I don't see that happening in churches or religions in general.
[01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:31.760]  And how does that correlate? Because everybody doesn't really get a vote.
[01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:42.760]  The correlation comes in through what we want to say is our governmental structure.
[01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:51.760]  Churches are unilaterally declared into existence. I believe such and such. And someone else says, I agree with you. I believe such and such.
[01:48:51.760 --> 01:49:06.760]  So they get together. And they encourage themselves in that school of thought by having declared unilaterally into existence their organization with their foundational moral code.
[01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:22.760]  If we want to change a democracy, we have to do it by law. The two fundamental processes, one is commercial and the other is effectively legislative.
[01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:34.760]  The by law process is the legislative process. How does a democracy act legislatively? And the answer is by plebiscite.
[01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:45.760]  So if we want to stop being a democracy, we have to activate the mechanism that changes the spots into republic.
[01:49:45.760 --> 01:50:03.760]  And we've just never done that. It doesn't change the idea, but it does mean we've never activated it in the eyes of those who understand what the law is and how these things function.
[01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:13.760]  So at the end of the day, the scholars at the end of the judicial line, for example, understand what we're talking about here.
[01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:31.760]  And what this translates into then is what effect are all of these words published by these bodies that purport to be legislative?
[01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:41.760]  There's two types. Well, yeah, there's structural and then there's everything else.
[01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:54.760]  So we're going to call it three types of codes. There's the structural codes, which says effectively in print, we're going to have division of powers.
[01:50:54.760 --> 01:51:02.760]  There's going to be a legislative branch. There's going to be an executive branch. There's going to be a judicial branch.
[01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:16.760]  So the body politic is going to announce that and that's structural. And there's some other structural things, but fundamentally, that's what the structural side is.
[01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:24.760]  Then there's the penal code. I call the penal code the book of discipline.
[01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:35.760]  The book of discipline comes from the church and the unilaterally organized commercial entity that's called a church, which doesn't normally act commercially, they act morally.
[01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:45.760]  It's a different organization. It's not in business to make a profit. It's in business to save souls, let's just say.
[01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:55.760]  The organization that does that says, we have certain guidelines if you're going to be a member of our group.
[01:51:55.760 --> 01:52:00.760]  And we see this, for example, with Martin Luther. They excommunicated him.
[01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:09.760]  Well, you don't get to be a member of our group anymore because of all these things that you object to. So we're going to kick you out.
[01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:16.760]  Okay. The book of discipline for the church actually goes a little bit beyond that. Here's membership requirements.
[01:52:16.760 --> 01:52:28.760]  And if you're a member, if you're on your way out of being a member, if there's certain things that you do against a member, not only are we going to excommunicate you, we're going to clobber you in the nose on your way out.
[01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:36.760]  We're going to send you through the spanking line on the way out.
[01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:43.760]  The book of discipline for the organization that we call a state goes a little bit beyond that.
[01:52:43.760 --> 01:53:03.760]  But what is its point? The book of discipline is there to say we, as a body politic, corporately assert fundamental rights, fundamental acts of self-defense, let's say.
[01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:11.760]  As a body politic, we defend ourselves against those who want to go up and down the street popping people in the nose.
[01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:21.760]  That's an assault. And we're going to say, if you assault somebody, we're going to put you in jail and we're going to make you pay money.
[01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:30.760]  So we're going to define a crime called assault, and we're going to prosecute this in such a way that we deprive you of your liberty.
[01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:40.760]  And it's in our book of discipline, and you're on notice that if you go up and down the street clobbering people in the nose, you're going to go to jail, because we're not going to put up with it.
[01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:59.760]  We, as a body politic, have a corporate right to self-defense, and our representatives exercising the supreme power of our body, of our collective body, of our corporate body, have defined assault to be such and such.
[01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:07.760]  And so if you violate this prohibition, we're prohibiting you from going up and down the streets clobbering people in the nose.
[01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:13.760]  We're just not going to put up with that. And so if you do that, here's what's going to happen, and you're on notice.
[01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:24.760]  We have the right to defend ourselves against this. And so we're putting it in the book here. We're defending ourselves as a body corporate.
[01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:30.760]  And so the authority of the body corporate says anyone who does this is going to jail.
[01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:42.760]  Okay. If you steal from us, you're going to jail. If you violate the children, never mind all the details, everybody gets what I'm talking about.
[01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:52.760]  If you violate the children, you're going to jail. If you take another's life, you're going to jail. We'll probably fry you for that one.
[01:54:52.760 --> 01:54:59.760]  If you take somebody's life, we will probably fry you, but at the very least, you're going to jail. We're just not putting up with it.
[01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:07.760]  So what's the book of discipline? The book of discipline is fundamentally the exercise of self-defense at the body corporate level.
[01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:13.760]  We have the right of self-defense individually. We have the right of self-defense, therefore, as a group of people.
[01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:21.760]  And what's the Articles of Confederation about? The Articles of Confederation is a treaty that says we have the right to defend ourselves.
[01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:33.760]  We're going to organize for purposes of national defense. If you come over against any one of us in violence, all of us are going to get together and fight you.
[01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:47.760]  That's a treaty. Okay. It is an assertion at that level of what? The body corporate at the national level, the body corporate, apostrophe S, right to self-defense.
[01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:52.760]  Okay. So all of these things that go into the criminal code are what?
[01:55:52.760 --> 01:56:03.760]  Acts by the representatives of the body corporate defining what we're going to do when we as a body corporate have to defend ourselves.
[01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:13.760]  And so as a group of people, we're going to get together and organize against those who want to compel us to defend ourselves.
[01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:21.760]  Okay. That's the Book of Discipline. So we've got structure. We're going to divide our governments into three branches.
[01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:28.760]  We're going to divide the authority because we agree with the political philosophy that necessitates that.
[01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:34.760]  We've seen too much corruption, so we're going to divide the authority out, and here's how we're going to do it.
[01:56:34.760 --> 01:56:37.760]  And here's how we're going to fill these offices. Okay.
[01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:44.760]  Then we have the Book of Discipline, which is the penal code, and now we've got pretty much everything else.
[01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:59.760]  How does everything else function? If we don't have a republic where the legislature is endowed with actual lawmaking authority, if we don't have that, what's left?
[01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:07.760]  If we're dealing with a commercial entity, how does a commercial entity function in society?
[01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:15.760]  How do the car dealerships work? How does the train system work? How does the airplane system work? How does the bus system work?
[01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:22.760]  Let's look at the bus. How does the bus work? Well, you look at the planes too and the trains. How do those systems work?
[01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:31.760]  How do we have access to get the bus? How do we have access to a seat on an airplane? How do we have access to a seat on a train?
[01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:32.760]  What do we do?
[01:57:32.760 --> 01:57:35.760]  Agreement. Everything's agreement. I'm kidding you.
[01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:43.760]  Yeah. Okay, we buy a ticket. Right? We have permission because we bought a ticket.
[01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:52.760]  And with the ticket comes all the rules about what you do and don't do in their area of transportation.
[01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:55.760]  The ticket is a contract.
[01:57:55.760 --> 01:58:16.760]  Yes. It's a commercial mechanism. It's a commercial mechanism. It's a federal mechanism. It's a buy agreement mechanism. How does any unilaterally established entity, which is commercial, function?
[01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:21.760]  By agreement.
[01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:28.760]  Okay. Hang on. We're about to go to our sponsors and I'm going to turn the phone lines on over the break.
[01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:30.760]  Okay.
[01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:36.760]  Do you still want to go to a trust?
[01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:39.760]  Well, we can. I mean, if we don't have any calls.
[01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:40.760]  Okay.
[01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:44.760]  We're in perfect segue to get into that.
[01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:49.760]  Okay. I am turning on the phone lines. Hang on, guys.
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