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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.840]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.840 --> 00:09.520]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
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[01:31.160 --> 01:34.800]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
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[02:37.600 --> 02:43.320]  when he said, the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary
[02:43.320 --> 02:47.440]  government, one more safeguard against the tyranny, which now appears remote in America,
[02:47.440 --> 02:50.520]  but which historically has proved to always be possible.
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[03:18.680 --> 03:48.600]  Okay, howdy, howdy, Randy Cotland, Rubio Radio, I'm Randy Cotland.
[03:48.600 --> 04:07.600]  He told me what his name was on this, the 20th day of May, 2022, and we're talking
[04:07.600 --> 04:08.600]  to Joel in Ohio.
[04:08.600 --> 04:14.600]  Joel, do you kind of got some ideas of where to go?
[04:14.600 --> 04:25.600]  Yeah, you helped me iron out some of the 10 different paths I was trying to go down.
[04:25.600 --> 04:33.000]  But there is one thing, like, you know, this consumer protection thing in Ohio sounds great,
[04:33.000 --> 04:37.320]  but they did do something that I don't like, but I know why they put it in there because
[04:37.320 --> 04:40.040]  they don't want it to get taken advantage of.
[04:40.040 --> 04:43.840]  They put caps on what you can get.
[04:43.840 --> 04:54.160]  So punitive, you can get treble, in my case it would absolutely be treble, but they put
[04:54.160 --> 05:00.560]  a cap on the punitive at $5,000, so that would be treble to $15,000.
[05:00.560 --> 05:15.080]  I have to read through it again, but I think it says that it doesn't not allow you to also
[05:15.080 --> 05:20.040]  bring other causes of action at the same time.
[05:20.040 --> 05:37.400]  So when I do part of my complaint where I ask for my damages for each statement of facts,
[05:37.400 --> 05:44.360]  I think if I'm right, I would do what they say as the cap for the section under that
[05:44.360 --> 05:45.360]  part.
[05:45.360 --> 05:55.600]  Is there an overall cap on private attorney general suit?
[05:55.600 --> 05:56.600]  It doesn't say.
[05:56.600 --> 05:57.600]  It doesn't specify.
[05:57.600 --> 06:04.760]  Then that $15,000 cap, that doesn't sound like a consumer protection law.
[06:04.760 --> 06:09.520]  That sounds like the vendor protection law.
[06:09.520 --> 06:14.640]  The consumer protection law in the feds, I consider it all a scam.
[06:14.640 --> 06:21.280]  You might, instead of using the consumer protection law, you might look at suing them under the
[06:21.280 --> 06:24.240]  uniform commercial code.
[06:24.240 --> 06:33.040]  The federal consumer protection laws appear to be a scam to get people to take action
[06:33.040 --> 06:41.120]  under the consumer protection laws instead of under the uniform commercial code.
[06:41.120 --> 06:50.880]  The consumer protection laws put an unreasonably short time limit, unlike what's available
[06:50.880 --> 06:53.000]  under the uniform commercial code.
[06:53.000 --> 07:01.520]  And they put in these limits on what you can recover, whereas the uniform commercial code
[07:01.520 --> 07:04.600]  doesn't have those limits.
[07:04.600 --> 07:13.040]  Yeah, basically it's like they don't want to spend their own resources to get these
[07:13.040 --> 07:17.440]  cases started, so they rely on you to do it for them, and then they can decide whether
[07:17.440 --> 07:21.280]  they want to step in and steal all the money or not.
[07:21.280 --> 07:27.920]  But if you sue them under uniform commercial code for breach contract, then if you don't
[07:27.920 --> 07:33.240]  use the consumer protection laws, you don't invoke their power to take this away from
[07:33.240 --> 07:34.240]  you.
[07:34.240 --> 07:35.240]  Okay.
[07:35.240 --> 07:39.320]  I haven't read anything on that yet.
[07:39.320 --> 07:50.400]  So if I did that direction, just basically scrap the state consumer protection laws.
[07:50.400 --> 07:57.720]  The only difference is, is instead of bringing a cause of action under a consumer protection
[07:57.720 --> 08:05.200]  law, you bring your causes of action under breach of contract or other well-established
[08:05.200 --> 08:10.680]  torts and causes of action.
[08:10.680 --> 08:14.480]  You just don't bring a consumer protection cause of action.
[08:14.480 --> 08:23.960]  Okay, so I can keep my complaint the same all the way through my statement of facts,
[08:23.960 --> 08:28.520]  and then once I get to the remedy part, I just don't put that part in there.
[08:28.520 --> 08:29.520]  Exactly.
[08:29.520 --> 08:30.520]  Okay.
[08:30.520 --> 08:38.000]  You asked earlier that you didn't know if this is my first go-round.
[08:38.000 --> 08:44.640]  It is, but I feel like I'm doing pretty good, but I think I got handed an easy one with
[08:44.640 --> 08:46.280]  them.
[08:46.280 --> 08:49.600]  You are doing the hard part.
[08:49.600 --> 08:54.360]  The hard part is the research you're doing right now.
[08:54.360 --> 08:59.800]  The more time you spend on this research, the easier it will go once you get to the
[08:59.800 --> 09:00.800]  backside.
[09:00.800 --> 09:04.840]  You need to treat this like a chess game.
[09:04.840 --> 09:09.800]  Play four or five moves in, then turn the chess board around.
[09:09.800 --> 09:14.640]  Take the other guy's side and how are they going to defend against you?
[09:14.640 --> 09:17.680]  Do all that before you walk in the door.
[09:17.680 --> 09:23.120]  Look at some court cases and see how some cases against this hospital and see how they
[09:23.120 --> 09:26.040]  handle their cases.
[09:26.040 --> 09:27.760]  They'll tell you how to get around them.
[09:27.760 --> 09:31.000]  They'll tell you how to anticipate them.
[09:31.000 --> 09:40.000]  I've actually got two of those within the last two years in federal on PACER.
[09:40.000 --> 09:50.360]  One guy took a customer complaint and did a class action complaint on this hospital.
[09:50.360 --> 09:58.680]  Another guy, I think it's his buddy, but these little shitey dirty attorneys that prey on
[09:58.680 --> 09:59.680]  people.
[09:59.680 --> 10:05.240]  There are two cases on PACER, very recent.
[10:05.240 --> 10:12.600]  They built up this big complaint just so they can get a settlement offer right off the bat.
[10:12.600 --> 10:16.320]  They both settled.
[10:16.320 --> 10:19.560]  You might look at that.
[10:19.560 --> 10:22.560]  What did they settle for?
[10:22.560 --> 10:30.760]  Well it doesn't say, it just says they came to a settlement.
[10:30.760 --> 10:37.000]  Well actually I think the one did say, the class action one did, but I used both those
[10:37.000 --> 10:45.000]  cases and basically copy and pasted a lot of it so I didn't have to do as much of it
[10:45.000 --> 10:46.800]  and then just add my details.
[10:46.800 --> 10:51.080]  Okay, that's how it's done.
[10:51.080 --> 10:56.480]  If you're looking at doing too much legal research or if you're writing your own pleadings,
[10:56.480 --> 10:59.560]  you haven't done enough research.
[10:59.560 --> 11:03.480]  There's one skill that I have honed above all others.
[11:03.480 --> 11:08.640]  I am an accomplished plagiarist.
[11:08.640 --> 11:13.320]  I especially like to plagiarize court decisions.
[11:13.320 --> 11:20.520]  When you take a section out of a court decision and drop it in your document and just adjust
[11:20.520 --> 11:28.400]  the intros and outros so it reads well, it looks like it's your verbiage from the structure
[11:28.400 --> 11:36.320]  of the prose, but when the judge reads it, he will know for certain that this is not
[11:36.320 --> 11:42.360]  your words, these are the words of the court and they'll know exactly what you've done
[11:42.360 --> 11:46.040]  and that will give it even more import.
[11:46.040 --> 11:49.760]  Do you have a set of litigation guides for Ohio?
[11:49.760 --> 11:50.760]  No.
[11:50.760 --> 11:58.880]  That took way too long to answer.
[11:58.880 --> 12:04.840]  Call a couple of law firms and tell them that you're homeschooling your kids and you want
[12:04.840 --> 12:12.520]  to do a course on law and ask them if they have any old litigation guides you're laying
[12:12.520 --> 12:13.520]  around.
[12:13.520 --> 12:20.240]  Eddie Craig did that and he had to rent an 18-foot box truck to haul off all the books.
[12:20.240 --> 12:27.640]  A woman in Amarillo, the second call, the guy said, do you have a pickup truck, a station
[12:27.640 --> 12:29.520]  wagon or a pickup truck?
[12:29.520 --> 12:35.560]  See, they buy the new litigation guides when they come out and they just push the old ones
[12:35.560 --> 12:36.560]  in the back.
[12:36.560 --> 12:39.120]  They don't want the lawyers using them because they don't have the newest law.
[12:39.120 --> 12:42.200]  Well, you don't care about that.
[12:42.200 --> 12:50.560]  These guides, they will not only show you how to structure your lawsuit, they will give
[12:50.560 --> 12:58.520]  you a relatively uniform way of doing that and that's important because when the judge
[12:58.520 --> 13:05.420]  sees your document, it will look like everybody else's document and while it may not have
[13:05.420 --> 13:10.880]  a lawyer's name on it, it will look like a lawyer wrote it and the judge will give it
[13:10.880 --> 13:17.720]  more deference because of that and when you have to put in your own words, use the words
[13:17.720 --> 13:22.000]  of the court and not your own, that will get you a lot better consideration.
[13:22.000 --> 13:24.400]  Does that make sense?
[13:24.400 --> 13:29.280]  Yeah, I'm pretty witty, I feel like with that.
[13:29.280 --> 13:37.360]  I'm assuming and that's why I've been doing all this copy and pasting like they're going
[13:37.360 --> 13:44.760]  to be like, where's this dude's attorney at because this isn't written by a guy that hasn't
[13:44.760 --> 13:45.760]  done this before.
[13:45.760 --> 13:46.760]  Good, good.
[13:46.760 --> 13:47.760]  That's how you do it.
[13:47.760 --> 13:52.760]  Sounds like you're in good shape.
[13:52.760 --> 14:02.000]  Yeah, there's, I think there's one more question.
[14:02.000 --> 14:10.280]  Will you bring it in state even though I'm going to not put the stuff in my...
[14:10.280 --> 14:11.280]  Maybe not.
[14:11.280 --> 14:17.440]  If your state has some good laws that will help, that's a decision you have to make.
[14:17.440 --> 14:25.400]  Tina, she's in California and that's absolutely the worst state in the union from what I've
[14:25.400 --> 14:28.240]  seen, the most corrupt.
[14:28.240 --> 14:31.280]  That state, I would want to get into the feds.
[14:31.280 --> 14:34.880]  And here we have an issue that's pervasive.
[14:34.880 --> 14:38.200]  Everybody does the same thing wrong.
[14:38.200 --> 14:42.620]  So they're going to be reluctant to fix what everybody else does.
[14:42.620 --> 14:47.800]  So I may need to get them in the feds to get that addressed, but you have to make that
[14:47.800 --> 14:48.800]  decision.
[14:48.800 --> 14:50.920]  What do you think will work best for you?
[14:50.920 --> 14:59.200]  Well, if I'm not asking for the damages under the state stuff, then I'm going to go right
[14:59.200 --> 15:08.040]  to federal because if I don't have that protection basically is what it is in there, but they
[15:08.040 --> 15:12.520]  don't give you anything for money damages, then the feds is the way to go.
[15:12.520 --> 15:18.440]  But I'll still put that in my statement of facts or my introduction and stuff.
[15:18.440 --> 15:28.720]  But I think the only thing other than that then is, so this, it's probably this way for
[15:28.720 --> 15:35.320]  most hospitals, especially if they're nonprofit, the whole thing's ran by attorney and they
[15:35.320 --> 15:43.680]  make beaucoup money and they're going to see, basically should I, you guys say you should
[15:43.680 --> 15:51.400]  always do it, but in this particular case, should I give them a notice of lawsuit letter?
[15:51.400 --> 15:56.760]  You always have to do that.
[15:56.760 --> 16:01.440]  Notice of intent, notice an opportunity to cure.
[16:01.440 --> 16:03.840]  That's what a tort letter is.
[16:03.840 --> 16:04.840]  I've been harmed.
[16:04.840 --> 16:07.280]  I've been harmed by this, in this amount.
[16:07.280 --> 16:09.200]  This is how I've been harmed.
[16:09.200 --> 16:10.800]  I've been harmed in this amount.
[16:10.800 --> 16:11.800]  Make me holy and be sued.
[16:11.800 --> 16:17.320]  And that gives them opportunity, notice an opportunity to cure before you go to the court.
[16:17.320 --> 16:18.320]  Okay.
[16:18.320 --> 16:28.840]  Well, I was just asking because in, at least in Ohio, federal, you have the waiver of service
[16:28.840 --> 16:34.760]  option that they can take and I don't know if that would serve as their notice or not.
[16:34.760 --> 16:36.720]  Yeah, they have that here.
[16:36.720 --> 16:42.120]  No, if you e-file, then you still have to serve the original citation.
[16:42.120 --> 16:43.120]  Hang on.
[16:43.120 --> 16:47.040]  We'll pick this up on the other side, Randy Carroll, Fountain, a little bit of radio.
[16:47.040 --> 16:51.800]  We'll be right back in about 10 seconds.
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[19:06.080 --> 19:18.720]  Well, don't let nothing get to you, only the father can deliver you, don't let bad mind
[19:18.720 --> 19:28.880]  people hurt you until it says I can get behind you, you know what I mean, my friend, Malajat
[19:28.880 --> 19:29.880]  here.
[19:29.880 --> 19:41.600]  Hey, we are back, Randy Kelton, Bret Fountain, Rule of Law Radio, we're talking to Joel
[19:41.600 --> 19:42.600]  in Ohio.
[19:42.600 --> 19:47.600]  If you're going to the Fed, there's one more thing I should address, and that is a petition
[19:47.600 --> 19:53.080]  for declaratory judgment under the Declaratory Judgments Act.
[19:53.080 --> 20:01.560]  The Declaratory Judgments Act, I think it's, is it 2601, Bret, can you...
[20:01.560 --> 20:06.880]  I never can remember, from the Fed, let me check and see.
[20:06.880 --> 20:11.360]  And what it does is creates a new remedy.
[20:11.360 --> 20:17.720]  You can petition the court for a determination on a point of law.
[20:17.720 --> 20:23.680]  In a declaratory judgment suit, you don't sue for any harm.
[20:23.680 --> 20:29.280]  And the good thing about that is, if you're not claiming any harm in the declaratory judgment
[20:29.280 --> 20:34.760]  suit, it can't be dismissed under Rule 12 Motion to Dismiss for Failure State Acclaim,
[20:34.760 --> 20:36.800]  on which recovery can be had.
[20:36.800 --> 20:43.360]  So you pick the legal issue that is most important to be ruled in your favor.
[20:43.360 --> 20:51.720]  And Joel, it sounds like you have some legal issues based on Ohio law, as it relates to
[20:51.720 --> 20:56.440]  this particular hospital entity.
[20:56.440 --> 21:04.960]  And you ask, if they do this, does this constitute a violation of this code?
[21:04.960 --> 21:13.360]  Okay, the good part about that is, the one thing the opposing party wants to avoid at
[21:13.360 --> 21:18.760]  all cost is discovery.
[21:18.760 --> 21:23.320]  Discovery costs them a fortune and you never know what's going to leak out in discovery.
[21:23.320 --> 21:30.560]  So they do a Rule 12B Motion, Rule 12B6 Motion to Dismiss, so they can avoid discovery.
[21:30.560 --> 21:37.440]  Well, if you do a declaratory judgment suit first, to get a ruling on your primary issue,
[21:37.440 --> 21:40.960]  you go straight to discovery.
[21:40.960 --> 21:47.920]  And then once you get your ruling, then you can come back and file a claim against the
[21:47.920 --> 21:49.480]  other party.
[21:49.480 --> 21:53.520]  And the primary issue is now with Judicata.
[21:53.520 --> 21:54.520]  Already decided.
[21:54.520 --> 21:57.680]  So does that make sense, Joel?
[21:57.680 --> 22:01.880]  Yeah, I'm following you.
[22:01.880 --> 22:04.920]  I'm going to have some questions for you off the air.
[22:04.920 --> 22:10.280]  But yeah, so they can't dismiss if I do that.
[22:10.280 --> 22:11.280]  Don't put a dollar...
[22:11.280 --> 22:18.760]  It's not that it can't be dismissed, but it can't be dismissed under Rule 12B6.
[22:18.760 --> 22:26.000]  I had that happen in Fort Worth, Judge McBride, who was a real stinker, dismissed my declaratory
[22:26.000 --> 22:29.920]  judgment suit for failure to stand to claim.
[22:29.920 --> 22:33.800]  I immediately went to the special agent in charge of the FBI and asked him to arrest
[22:33.800 --> 22:37.040]  the SOB.
[22:37.040 --> 22:39.360]  That was interesting.
[22:39.360 --> 22:44.040]  And the rule number you were looking for there is Rule 57.
[22:44.040 --> 22:52.240]  And it just so happens that in the Fed, 57, it just so happens that in Ohio, it's also
[22:52.240 --> 22:54.440]  Rule 57.
[22:54.440 --> 22:59.040]  It's not in every state, but Ohio matches up to the Fed on that one.
[22:59.040 --> 23:03.560]  Brett, look up Declaratory Judgment Act.
[23:03.560 --> 23:10.960]  There is an act, and I think it's 28 U.S.C. 2601 or 201, something like that.
[23:10.960 --> 23:18.240]  I seem to remember 2201, hold on a second, let me...
[23:18.240 --> 23:20.160]  That's in the Fed.
[23:20.160 --> 23:23.360]  And it says in there, it created a special remedy.
[23:23.360 --> 23:31.960]  And what that allows you to do is if you're contemplating a suit based on a point of law
[23:31.960 --> 23:42.160]  and you're not certain of whether or not the suit is valid, in the interest of judicial
[23:42.160 --> 23:47.440]  economy, you can ask for a ruling on this point of law before you go to a full-fledged
[23:47.440 --> 23:51.920]  suit, and it's supposed to lower the litigation costs.
[23:51.920 --> 23:58.560]  Now, it says 28 U.S. Code Section 2201.
[23:58.560 --> 24:04.840]  Rule 57 is Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 57, Declaratory Judgment.
[24:04.840 --> 24:11.800]  This is describing the procedure for getting that judgment.
[24:11.800 --> 24:12.800]  There you have it.
[24:12.800 --> 24:14.560]  Have a look at that.
[24:14.560 --> 24:21.200]  That may give you a way to get some discovery and get them tied up first without them being
[24:21.200 --> 24:26.840]  able to get you dismissed and then get you a little res judicata for when you come back
[24:26.840 --> 24:27.840]  in.
[24:27.840 --> 24:30.840]  All right.
[24:30.840 --> 24:48.400]  So in that manner, if I start off the same way, I can figure this out myself, but when
[24:48.400 --> 24:53.480]  do I ask, when do I submit the petition?
[24:53.480 --> 24:58.960]  You do that before you do your lawsuit, and that gets you into some discovery to where
[24:58.960 --> 25:04.400]  you can use the discovery then in your lawsuit.
[25:04.400 --> 25:07.920]  So even before a complaint, I just submit a petition.
[25:07.920 --> 25:13.840]  Yeah, this is kind of like a trial run.
[25:13.840 --> 25:16.960]  Do they get notice that I sent the petition?
[25:16.960 --> 25:21.600]  Yeah, it's relator and respondent.
[25:21.600 --> 25:28.160]  It's not plaintiff and defendant, and what you will find almost every time you file a
[25:28.160 --> 25:32.280]  petition for declaratory judgment, the other side will file a Rule 12 motion to dismiss
[25:32.280 --> 25:40.040]  because lawyers, it's relatively new and lawyers just don't get it.
[25:40.040 --> 25:42.000]  That's what happened in my case.
[25:42.000 --> 25:47.440]  I filed a declaratory judgment, the Lock Lord lawyer, one of the largest law firms in the
[25:47.440 --> 25:55.720]  country, filed a Rule 12 B6 motion to dismiss, and the judge didn't know what a declaratory
[25:55.720 --> 25:58.360]  judgment suit was.
[25:58.360 --> 26:00.760]  He dismissed it for failure to state a claim.
[26:00.760 --> 26:04.800]  Well, a declaratory judgment suit doesn't have any claims.
[26:04.800 --> 26:09.200]  That's the whole point.
[26:09.200 --> 26:14.480]  I had three other people file that same suit, and he didn't dismiss any of them.
[26:14.480 --> 26:23.600]  We got the judge's attention, but it's a lot simpler, and it'll give you an opportunity
[26:23.600 --> 26:27.040]  to see how these guys react and respond.
[26:27.040 --> 26:31.560]  They'll have to kind of tip their hand before you actually sue them.
[26:31.560 --> 26:38.080]  Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I've seen that.
[26:38.080 --> 26:44.680]  I didn't know what it was at the time, but I was going through the case logs on PACER
[26:44.680 --> 26:49.600]  related to this.
[26:49.600 --> 26:57.240]  I've seen that in some cases in the court I'm going to bring it into, so they're aware.
[26:57.240 --> 27:01.560]  No, they're not.
[27:01.560 --> 27:09.680]  Tina, they petitioned for declaratory judgment, and they filed a 12 B motion to dismiss.
[27:09.680 --> 27:13.440]  These lawyers, for the most part, don't know what they are.
[27:13.440 --> 27:17.200]  You may have a couple of cases that made it high up in the courts where they knew, but
[27:17.200 --> 27:22.680]  most of them, the lawyers don't have a clue.
[27:22.680 --> 27:23.680]  It may not work for you.
[27:23.680 --> 27:27.160]  I just wanted to mention that in conjunction with your federal suit.
[27:27.160 --> 27:28.160]  You could also do that.
[27:28.160 --> 27:32.040]  The states have a declaratory judgment act as well.
[27:32.040 --> 27:38.760]  It may give you a... It's like getting two bites at the apple.
[27:38.760 --> 27:40.680]  You take them in on declaratory judgment.
[27:40.680 --> 27:45.080]  You find out all their tricks and traps, and so that when you sue them the second time
[27:45.080 --> 27:47.440]  for real, then you're ready for it.
[27:47.440 --> 27:50.320]  Okay, we're going to move on.
[27:50.320 --> 27:53.800]  We've got a bunch of callers left.
[27:53.800 --> 27:56.480]  That was interesting, Joel.
[27:56.480 --> 28:01.360]  Thank you for your call, and keep us appraised of how this goes.
[28:01.360 --> 28:02.360]  I will.
[28:02.360 --> 28:03.360]  Thank you.
[28:03.360 --> 28:04.360]  Okay.
[28:04.360 --> 28:05.360]  Thank you, Joel.
[28:05.360 --> 28:07.720]  Now we're going to go to Olivier in Tennessee.
[28:07.720 --> 28:11.040]  Olivier, talk to us.
[28:11.040 --> 28:12.480]  Tell us what you're doing.
[28:12.480 --> 28:18.360]  Olivier was on last night, and it was interesting, so I asked him to come on tonight to go through
[28:18.360 --> 28:19.360]  this again.
[28:19.360 --> 28:23.560]  Olivier, address this as if nobody's heard it, because we have a lot of people that weren't
[28:23.560 --> 28:25.040]  on last night.
[28:25.040 --> 28:26.040]  Okay.
[28:26.040 --> 28:33.520]  This is a case that I had, a car accident.
[28:33.520 --> 28:34.520]  I had a car accident.
[28:34.520 --> 28:41.800]  A police officer arrested me for suspended license, targeting with a felony, but it was
[28:41.800 --> 28:49.800]  actually a second degree misdemeanor when he got to court.
[28:49.800 --> 28:56.000]  He wrote felony on it, so he had to immediately throw you behind bars because it's a felony
[28:56.000 --> 28:59.000]  but then it turned out to be a robbery?
[28:59.000 --> 29:00.000]  Right.
[29:00.000 --> 29:06.200]  I told him that it wasn't a felony, but he kept on telling me that, no, I got several
[29:06.200 --> 29:15.520]  priors, and this is the third offense, so this is a felony offense, so he booked me
[29:15.520 --> 29:20.440]  and made me pay bail for a felony.
[29:20.440 --> 29:26.640]  Now when we come down to court, it's actually a second degree misdemeanor.
[29:26.640 --> 29:43.040]  They requested a non-imprisonment statement, which means I would not be sentenced to any
[29:43.040 --> 29:45.920]  jail time if I was found guilty.
[29:45.920 --> 29:51.080]  This would be illegal in hundreds million dollars.
[29:51.080 --> 30:07.040]  When they were only paying me $1,200, I was paid about $30 a month.
[30:07.040 --> 30:11.920]  They could kill me, but my sentence came off the fine day.
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[33:30.560 --> 33:43.560]  Mm, mm, mm, yeah, I won't, oh, I won't, I won't let you
[33:43.560 --> 33:49.560]  pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:49.560 --> 33:57.560]  I still must refuse your nose, oh, so tell me lie.
[33:57.560 --> 34:02.560]  You seem to like the spare, but please take some words
[34:02.560 --> 34:05.560]  to the wise.
[34:05.560 --> 34:31.560]  Stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[34:31.560 --> 34:42.560]  Mm, mm, mm.
[34:42.560 --> 34:50.560]  An orange is an orange and we'll never see an apple.
[34:50.560 --> 34:52.560]  This image is an apple.
[34:52.560 --> 34:56.560]  It is no tough concept to grapple.
[34:56.560 --> 35:01.560]  Okay, we are back.
[35:01.560 --> 35:03.560]  And we're talking to Olivier in Tennessee.
[35:03.560 --> 35:05.560]  Okay, Olivier, you got this ticket.
[35:05.560 --> 35:07.560]  Charged you with a felony.
[35:07.560 --> 35:12.560]  Had to reduce it down to a class two misdemeanor.
[35:12.560 --> 35:16.560]  Let's move on to your, or just move on with the story.
[35:16.560 --> 35:18.560]  This is a pretty good story.
[35:18.560 --> 35:19.560]  Okay.
[35:19.560 --> 35:22.560]  Well, now, um, they found me guilty of trial.
[35:22.560 --> 35:26.560]  I filed a motion on my constitutional argument.
[35:26.560 --> 35:28.560]  They denied them all.
[35:28.560 --> 35:35.560]  They did not give me a chance to file an interlocutory appeal.
[35:35.560 --> 35:41.560]  They moved on with the trial, found me guilty, and gave me a term for appeal.
[35:41.560 --> 35:44.560]  Wait, can I just interrupt real quickly?
[35:44.560 --> 35:49.560]  I want to ask you about that not getting a chance to do interlocutory.
[35:49.560 --> 35:51.560]  How did that exactly work?
[35:51.560 --> 35:56.560]  Did they say denied or did they, what happened?
[35:56.560 --> 35:58.560]  What happened?
[35:58.560 --> 36:02.560]  I filed a motion and then I requested a court date.
[36:02.560 --> 36:15.560]  They scheduled the motion hearing date on the trial date.
[36:15.560 --> 36:26.560]  So they denied all your motions and went right to trial and then you didn't have a chance to file an interlocutory.
[36:26.560 --> 36:27.560]  Right.
[36:27.560 --> 36:29.560]  I didn't have a chance to file an interlocutory.
[36:29.560 --> 36:36.560]  I motioned to the court that I wanted to file an interlocutory appeal because I had a right to file an interlocutory appeal.
[36:36.560 --> 36:40.560]  Yeah.
[36:40.560 --> 36:48.560]  But when you gave notice of that, then what, did he deny your notice?
[36:48.560 --> 36:55.560]  Well, he said that it's noted in the record.
[36:55.560 --> 37:05.560]  He said, the judge said that, okay, it's noted in the record.
[37:05.560 --> 37:19.560]  So you could have, your first appeal could have been to reverse the decision against you and grant you interlocutory.
[37:19.560 --> 37:26.560]  But I guess it became moot because you went ahead and filed an appeal anyway.
[37:26.560 --> 37:38.560]  No, I had to, there's no way if I went to hear the motion that day, then they turned around and had the trial.
[37:38.560 --> 37:41.560]  So there's no way to file an appeal.
[37:41.560 --> 37:49.560]  Yeah, not an interlocutory, but once they ruled against you, then you were able to file a regular appeal.
[37:49.560 --> 37:50.560]  Right.
[37:50.560 --> 37:56.560]  Once they convicted me, I could file an appeal.
[37:56.560 --> 37:58.560]  So I filed an appeal.
[37:58.560 --> 38:04.560]  There's a whole different branch of attorneys that handle the case.
[38:04.560 --> 38:07.560]  Now, I haven't heard from her.
[38:07.560 --> 38:15.560]  I got a note saying that they filed a Anderson brief in my case stating that there is no miracle.
[38:15.560 --> 38:21.560]  Wait, hold on. You had court appointed counsel for the purpose of the appeal, correct?
[38:21.560 --> 38:23.560]  Yes, sir.
[38:23.560 --> 38:29.560]  And this woman was your court appointed counsel?
[38:29.560 --> 38:31.560]  Yes, the court appointed counsel.
[38:31.560 --> 38:36.560]  And she filed an Anderson brief, or it's actually an Anders brief.
[38:36.560 --> 38:37.560]  Anders.
[38:37.560 --> 38:46.560]  Brett, look at that. And what it is is your lawyer is saying you don't have a case.
[38:46.560 --> 38:50.560]  That's your lawyer kind of throwing you under the bus.
[38:50.560 --> 38:53.560]  So, okay, go ahead.
[38:53.560 --> 39:03.560]  Right. So saying that I had 30 days to address the court because they found no marital arguments.
[39:03.560 --> 39:10.560]  So in my head, I'm getting everything compiled together and getting around that time to answer.
[39:10.560 --> 39:19.560]  So I called the clerk and asked her when it was a time requirement for her to answer the Anders brief.
[39:19.560 --> 39:24.560]  She said, oh, it'll be due on the 23rd of this month.
[39:24.560 --> 39:26.560]  I said, okay, thank you.
[39:26.560 --> 39:28.560]  And she said, well, do you want to speak to your attorney?
[39:28.560 --> 39:30.560]  I said, oh, I could do that.
[39:30.560 --> 39:40.560]  And she's like, yeah, you can do that because she never contacted me about the case or said anything.
[39:40.560 --> 39:43.560]  So I can do that. She said, yeah, you can do that.
[39:43.560 --> 39:44.560]  So she transferred me over.
[39:44.560 --> 39:47.560]  Then she picked up the phone almost immediately.
[39:47.560 --> 39:51.560]  And then she said, hey, Mr. Berry, I'm fine.
[39:51.560 --> 39:53.560]  And then she said, is there any problem?
[39:53.560 --> 40:00.560]  I was like, well, I was calling to see when the date was due to turn in this answer to Anderson's brief.
[40:00.560 --> 40:02.560]  And she said, well, the date, she told me the date.
[40:02.560 --> 40:05.560]  And then she said, is there anything else I can help you with?
[40:05.560 --> 40:07.560]  Well, yeah, there is something else.
[40:07.560 --> 40:10.560]  I'm like, can you explain this Anderson brief to me?
[40:10.560 --> 40:18.560]  And then she said, well, the Anderson, she went and shuffling through her paperwork trying to find the stuff, trying to explain to me.
[40:18.560 --> 40:22.560]  In my head, I'm like, wow, you should know what this means.
[40:22.560 --> 40:24.560]  You probably do this all the time.
[40:24.560 --> 40:32.560]  So she finally gets it and started reading it to me, telling me what it is, telling me that it's saying that there's no
[40:32.560 --> 40:38.560]  marital issues and they cannot argue anything and I don't have a case.
[40:38.560 --> 40:43.560]  So I said, okay, thanks.
[40:43.560 --> 40:45.560]  That's exactly what I thought it meant.
[40:45.560 --> 40:49.560]  I said, well, I was reading the trial case.
[40:49.560 --> 41:01.560]  And in the trial case, you referred to me as driving or working for my brother and I was driving my brother's vehicle.
[41:01.560 --> 41:05.560]  I said, when did I say that?
[41:05.560 --> 41:08.560]  I said, because I didn't take the stand.
[41:08.560 --> 41:10.560]  There was no recording.
[41:10.560 --> 41:13.560]  There was no witnesses of the trial.
[41:13.560 --> 41:15.560]  So where did you get that from?
[41:15.560 --> 41:23.560]  She said, well, I read it somewhere, I think, and she went to shuffling through the pages.
[41:23.560 --> 41:27.560]  Well, I think I had some hearsay somewhere.
[41:27.560 --> 41:29.560]  It might have been hearsay within hearsay.
[41:29.560 --> 41:32.560]  I can't really remember.
[41:32.560 --> 41:44.560]  She said, well, the officer over here on page so-and-so testified that you told him that you were
[41:44.560 --> 41:45.560]  driving.
[41:45.560 --> 41:47.560]  I said, the officer testified.
[41:47.560 --> 41:52.560]  I said, did the officer also testify that he did not see the car accident?
[41:52.560 --> 41:55.560]  He's like, yeah, he did.
[41:55.560 --> 41:59.560]  I said, okay, so the officer didn't testify to see the car accident.
[41:59.560 --> 42:04.560]  And we're using his testimony about something that he didn't see.
[42:04.560 --> 42:09.560]  There's no written statement that I've signed that said that.
[42:09.560 --> 42:11.560]  There's no recording.
[42:11.560 --> 42:12.560]  There's nothing on record.
[42:12.560 --> 42:15.560]  Can you show me anything on record?
[42:15.560 --> 42:21.560]  She's like, no, you didn't take the stand, did you?
[42:21.560 --> 42:24.560]  I'm like, no, I did not.
[42:24.560 --> 42:28.560]  I said, so that's not an issue?
[42:28.560 --> 42:33.560]  That the officer is just using the hearsay?
[42:33.560 --> 42:35.560]  And she didn't say nothing.
[42:35.560 --> 42:36.560]  I said, okay.
[42:36.560 --> 42:47.560]  Well, also, the officer arrested me for a felony, and I went to trial for a misdemeanor.
[42:47.560 --> 42:51.560]  I said, how does that work?
[42:51.560 --> 43:01.560]  She said, I said, I haven't been adjudicated guilty on any prior offenses to enhance me to a felony charge.
[43:01.560 --> 43:06.560]  And then it's the third conviction that turns into a felony charge.
[43:06.560 --> 43:09.560]  So what's going on here?
[43:09.560 --> 43:17.560]  And she's like, well, it doesn't really matter because the officer just made a mistake,
[43:17.560 --> 43:23.560]  and he saw the other charges and thought they were prior.
[43:23.560 --> 43:27.560]  They couldn't be prior because those charges were ongoing.
[43:27.560 --> 43:32.560]  One of them has been dismissed, and the other one is about to be dismissed.
[43:32.560 --> 43:41.560]  So how did the officer arrest me for two prior cases that are being dismissed?
[43:41.560 --> 43:44.560]  The break is coming up.
[43:44.560 --> 43:45.560]  Okay.
[43:45.560 --> 43:48.560]  I was actually watching the numbers this time.
[43:48.560 --> 43:49.560]  Okay.
[43:49.560 --> 43:52.560]  Randy Kalten, Brett Kalten, Rural Radio.
[43:52.560 --> 43:54.560]  I'm not going to go out to call the numbers.
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[46:14.560 --> 46:24.560]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah
[46:24.560 --> 46:29.560]  Always I must be careful what I'm wishing for
[46:29.560 --> 46:34.560]  When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for
[46:34.560 --> 46:39.560]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton
[46:39.560 --> 46:44.560]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio,
[46:44.560 --> 46:48.560]  and we're talking to Olivier in Tennessee.
[46:48.560 --> 46:50.560]  Okay, so...
[46:50.560 --> 46:51.560]  Brian.
[46:51.560 --> 46:57.560]  Somehow they got on the record that you were working for your brother, driving his car.
[46:57.560 --> 46:59.560]  Right.
[46:59.560 --> 47:01.560]  Right, exactly.
[47:01.560 --> 47:10.560]  I told him for now, we're at the point where I'm questioning her about the officer arresting me for a felony.
[47:10.560 --> 47:12.560]  Like, how did that happen?
[47:12.560 --> 47:17.560]  I'm like, because you tell me there's no marital arguments.
[47:17.560 --> 47:29.560]  I made sure that I questioned the judge to clarify how adjudication of guilt works for conviction and enhancement.
[47:29.560 --> 47:38.560]  And he made it clear that adjudication withheld was not an enhancement for guilt.
[47:38.560 --> 47:46.560]  And so all my other cases were adjudicated withheld, and the two recent ones are still pending.
[47:46.560 --> 47:56.560]  So there's no way that you could get a felony from the record.
[47:56.560 --> 48:00.560]  So now she started defending the officer.
[48:00.560 --> 48:04.560]  Well, it's not an issue because, you know, it's just a mistake.
[48:04.560 --> 48:10.560]  The officer saw, I said, the officer saw the record and then just made a mistake.
[48:10.560 --> 48:14.560]  I said, oh, I said exactly, I'm sorry, I'm agreeing with you.
[48:14.560 --> 48:16.560]  That's exactly why it's void for vagueness.
[48:16.560 --> 48:19.560]  And she just stopped and paused for a second.
[48:19.560 --> 48:22.560]  I argued that in my case.
[48:22.560 --> 48:25.560]  I argued that the statute was void for vagueness.
[48:25.560 --> 48:27.560]  And then you said that it was meritless.
[48:27.560 --> 48:30.560]  That's a constitutional argument.
[48:30.560 --> 48:31.560]  You didn't call.
[48:31.560 --> 48:32.560]  I didn't talk.
[48:32.560 --> 48:33.560]  I didn't hear from you.
[48:33.560 --> 48:42.560]  You didn't, they're saying, how is it going to be void for vagueness when the constitutional argument has to be heard?
[48:42.560 --> 48:49.560]  Anyone can challenge the statute on different basis, on different reasons.
[48:49.560 --> 48:52.560]  And then she still didn't say nothing.
[48:52.560 --> 48:53.560]  I said, okay, well, you didn't say nothing.
[48:53.560 --> 48:55.560]  I'm going to move to the next point.
[48:55.560 --> 49:00.560]  I said, now, which was it?
[49:00.560 --> 49:11.560]  The officer asked her, where's the record at?
[49:11.560 --> 49:16.560]  I told her, okay, what's next?
[49:16.560 --> 49:26.560]  So after I talked to her about that, I started speaking to her about getting arrested.
[49:26.560 --> 49:35.560]  I asked her, what was the last thing I just told her?
[49:35.560 --> 49:37.560]  Brandy.
[49:37.560 --> 49:38.560]  Hello?
[49:38.560 --> 49:39.560]  Hello.
[49:39.560 --> 49:41.560]  Okay.
[49:41.560 --> 49:42.560]  You mean the previous one?
[49:42.560 --> 49:44.560]  Where I just stopped at?
[49:44.560 --> 49:48.560]  I told her.
[49:48.560 --> 49:49.560]  You were saying that.
[49:49.560 --> 49:54.560]  This is the one that she, that really got her, isn't it?
[49:54.560 --> 49:55.560]  Right.
[49:55.560 --> 49:57.560]  When she realized she was doing it all wrong.
[49:57.560 --> 49:58.560]  Right.
[49:58.560 --> 50:05.560]  And then I said, yeah, she said, well, it was just a mistake.
[50:05.560 --> 50:13.560]  I said, exactly, the officer didn't have enough information or is not intelligent enough to
[50:13.560 --> 50:19.560]  access what he needed to do in order to arrest me.
[50:19.560 --> 50:22.560]  So that's clearly a void of vagueness.
[50:22.560 --> 50:29.560]  And I went to her, I said, are you familiar with the right to livelihood?
[50:29.560 --> 50:31.560]  And she said, right to livelihood.
[50:31.560 --> 50:37.560]  I said, yeah, there's a right to livelihood where when the state create, the courts have
[50:37.560 --> 50:45.560]  ruled that when the state create a license, that that license is attached to, that license
[50:45.560 --> 50:54.560]  become a right, even though if it's commercial or non-commercial, because that license creates
[50:54.560 --> 51:04.560]  a livelihood and it attached, once it creates what is a necessity for livelihood, there
[51:04.560 --> 51:07.560]  is due process protection against that.
[51:07.560 --> 51:09.560]  And she was like, okay.
[51:09.560 --> 51:14.560]  I said, she was finishing my sentence as I was saying it.
[51:14.560 --> 51:16.560]  I said, right, right.
[51:16.560 --> 51:19.560]  So now look at my record.
[51:19.560 --> 51:22.560]  What has my license been suspended for?
[51:22.560 --> 51:26.560]  I said, my license has been suspended for fines and fees.
[51:26.560 --> 51:32.560]  I said, if you look at the record, I'm an indigent, I'm an indigent in every case.
[51:32.560 --> 51:39.560]  So how did my license get suspended for fines and fees and I'm indigent?
[51:39.560 --> 51:46.560]  And then she started saying, I was like, there's a hearing that needed to be held.
[51:46.560 --> 51:50.560]  And then she whispered due process.
[51:50.560 --> 51:52.560]  I said, no, it's not due process.
[51:52.560 --> 51:56.560]  It's under due process, but the hearing is called a determination hearing.
[51:56.560 --> 52:05.560]  So now can you please tell me how did me, an indigent person, get my license suspended
[52:05.560 --> 52:10.560]  without having a determination hearing?
[52:10.560 --> 52:17.560]  But you just said that there's no matter, but you wrote this motion stating that there's
[52:17.560 --> 52:20.560]  no marital issues.
[52:20.560 --> 52:22.560]  And then she just got quiet.
[52:22.560 --> 52:24.560]  She just got quiet.
[52:24.560 --> 52:30.560]  I said, now I'm not here to play games with you.
[52:30.560 --> 52:41.560]  You wrote that I worked for my brother and drove and had his car in order to give the
[52:41.560 --> 52:49.560]  court a way to manipulate the words and the issues that I'm bringing, because I clearly
[52:49.560 --> 52:56.560]  brought up a word for vagueness argument on the terms about automobile, vehicle.
[52:56.560 --> 53:01.560]  So there's a clear understanding of what's being made, because I have studied the case
[53:01.560 --> 53:07.560]  law well enough and well enough to understand what is being said.
[53:07.560 --> 53:13.560]  And I understand that there is a gap in the common people intelligence that they're not
[53:13.560 --> 53:17.560]  going to be able to understand this to take it to court to defend themselves.
[53:17.560 --> 53:22.560]  There is a gap and this is an abusive system.
[53:22.560 --> 53:28.560]  I said, now, once these people get arrested underneath these vague statute, what happens
[53:28.560 --> 53:29.560]  to them?
[53:29.560 --> 53:31.560]  She said, they go to jail.
[53:31.560 --> 53:32.560]  I said, exactly.
[53:32.560 --> 53:33.560]  They go to jail.
[53:33.560 --> 53:36.560]  And then how much time do they spend in jail?
[53:36.560 --> 53:43.560]  And then like she paused and I'm like, as I'm saying six months, she's saying six months
[53:43.560 --> 53:44.560]  too.
[53:44.560 --> 53:45.560]  I'm like, right, six months.
[53:45.560 --> 53:47.560]  So six months, what happens in six months?
[53:47.560 --> 53:58.560]  Their car gets towed, they lose their job, the level of their family decreases.
[53:58.560 --> 54:04.560]  Then you want them to get out and do better.
[54:04.560 --> 54:09.560]  You just stabilize their whole family on a vague statute.
[54:09.560 --> 54:10.560]  Then you want to come in.
[54:10.560 --> 54:16.560]  And then as I'm saying this, then she's like, oh my God, this is, they've been doing this
[54:16.560 --> 54:17.560]  wrong.
[54:17.560 --> 54:25.560]  So once I got her, once I heard that, oh my God, I stopped chastising her because I was
[54:25.560 --> 54:30.560]  not yelling at her, but I was very aggressive.
[54:30.560 --> 54:37.560]  And when I was laying out the issues, I laid out the issues aggressively, but I did not
[54:37.560 --> 54:42.560]  attack her like it was a personal vendetta or intent.
[54:42.560 --> 54:45.560]  I just laid out all the issues and like, this is the role you play.
[54:45.560 --> 54:46.560]  This is your part.
[54:46.560 --> 54:52.560]  Now here's all the bad stuff that we don't like and here's the part that you playing.
[54:52.560 --> 54:53.560]  Okay.
[54:53.560 --> 54:59.560]  So now once I heard her cave in like, oh my God, this is, I said, okay, now I need to
[54:59.560 --> 55:02.560]  back up and get her back on course.
[55:02.560 --> 55:03.560]  So I'm like, okay.
[55:03.560 --> 55:05.560]  So I said, oh my God.
[55:05.560 --> 55:06.560]  I said, okay, great.
[55:06.560 --> 55:08.560]  So now we have our understanding.
[55:08.560 --> 55:11.560]  We're going to take care of this properly.
[55:11.560 --> 55:13.560]  I said, what I'm going to do is I'm going to file a paper.
[55:13.560 --> 55:15.560]  Well, she said, yeah, you still have a chance to file.
[55:15.560 --> 55:17.560]  I said, yes, I'm going to do that.
[55:17.560 --> 55:20.560]  I'm going to send it to you so you can review it.
[55:20.560 --> 55:24.560]  After you review it, you're going to help me properly file a brief.
[55:24.560 --> 55:29.560]  She's like, well, you don't have to worry about that because now it's your turn.
[55:29.560 --> 55:34.560]  They will submit, they will supplement what you're trying to say.
[55:34.560 --> 55:38.560]  I'm like, yeah, I would like to believe that.
[55:38.560 --> 55:43.560]  But from all the cases that I read, that's not how it goes all the time.
[55:43.560 --> 55:45.560]  And she got quiet.
[55:45.560 --> 55:46.560]  She wasn't quiet.
[55:46.560 --> 55:48.560]  She knows you're right.
[55:48.560 --> 55:50.560]  I said, that's not how it goes all the time.
[55:50.560 --> 55:54.560]  I said, so what we're going to do, I'm going to send you the information.
[55:54.560 --> 55:57.560]  You're going to help me write a brief properly.
[55:57.560 --> 56:03.560]  And then you're also going to teach me the procedures that apply in this courtroom
[56:03.560 --> 56:07.560]  because obviously I'm going to be here often.
[56:07.560 --> 56:09.560]  I'm going to be here often.
[56:09.560 --> 56:14.560]  So I need to know how they work, how everything is structured
[56:14.560 --> 56:19.560]  so we can get down to cleaning this mess up.
[56:19.560 --> 56:23.560]  And she's like, Ms. Tiffany, I'll give you my email.
[56:23.560 --> 56:26.560]  She's hurry up and gave me the email.
[56:26.560 --> 56:29.560]  I mean, I didn't expect that.
[56:29.560 --> 56:38.560]  I don't know what happened, what made me talk to her, but she seemed like she was ready to go.
[56:38.560 --> 56:44.560]  And then I called you today because the first two pages of the case,
[56:44.560 --> 56:49.560]  it really outlined the arguments I made and what the court ruled.
[56:49.560 --> 57:00.560]  And here it clearly says that the court doesn't have a burden to have a determination hearing.
[57:00.560 --> 57:02.560]  I'm sitting here looking at that.
[57:02.560 --> 57:05.560]  I'm like, what?
[57:05.560 --> 57:14.560]  I'm looking at that and I go to my research and the United States Supreme Court 1997, 1971,
[57:14.560 --> 57:21.560]  all United States Supreme Court says right here, it says it is clear that the due process clause
[57:21.560 --> 57:30.560]  applies to the deprivation of a driver's license by the state.
[57:30.560 --> 57:36.560]  And I'm sitting here, I'm just like, but I guess because I was playing chess,
[57:36.560 --> 57:44.560]  I didn't put this information in the trial because I wanted it to get to the appeals court.
[57:44.560 --> 57:56.560]  I put all the surrounding information that worded the concept but didn't explain it clearly.
[57:56.560 --> 58:01.560]  They worded the concept but they didn't explain it clearly and now I got my backup research
[58:01.560 --> 58:05.560]  and they deny it saying that they don't have to do this and the research that I have
[58:05.560 --> 58:09.560]  clearly says that it is required, it is mandatory.
[58:09.560 --> 58:11.560]  We're on break.
[58:11.560 --> 58:14.560]  Yeah, it is mandatory.
[58:14.560 --> 58:16.560]  Are you going with the 30 seconds?
[58:16.560 --> 58:24.560]  I would have known that I was just hypnotized by your eloquent oratory.
[58:24.560 --> 58:26.560]  No, I wasn't hypnotized.
[58:26.560 --> 58:28.560]  No, no, no.
[58:28.560 --> 58:30.560]  This is good.
[58:30.560 --> 58:36.560]  This is how we want everybody to play these guys.
[58:36.560 --> 58:39.560]  It's got to feel good playing them like a cheap fiddle.
[58:39.560 --> 58:40.560]  Hang on.
[58:40.560 --> 58:41.560]  Great.
[58:41.560 --> 58:50.560]  Randy Kelton, Brett Felton, Root of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[59:59.560 --> 01:00:05.560]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:00:05.560 --> 01:00:08.560]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:00:08.560 --> 01:00:10.560]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:16.560]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:18.560]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:00:18.560 --> 01:00:22.560]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:00:22.560 --> 01:00:27.560]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:00:27.560 --> 01:00:28.560]  So protect your rights.
[01:00:28.560 --> 01:00:32.560]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[01:00:32.560 --> 01:00:34.560]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[01:00:45.560 --> 01:00:48.560]  Imagine your mom and dad are getting ready for bed.
[01:00:48.560 --> 01:00:51.560]  They pull back the covers and find a third party there.
[01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:54.560]  He announces, I'm with the military and I'm sleeping here tonight.
[01:00:54.560 --> 01:01:00.560]  That shocking image of a third party in my parents' bed reminds me what the Third Amendment was designed to prevent.
[01:01:00.560 --> 01:01:06.560]  It protects us from being forced to share our homes with soldiers, a common demand in the days of our founding fathers.
[01:01:06.560 --> 01:01:09.560]  Third party, Third Amendment, get it?
[01:01:09.560 --> 01:01:17.560]  So if you answer a knock at your door and guys in fatigues demand lodging, tell them to dust off their copy of the Bill of Rights and reread the Third Amendment.
[01:01:17.560 --> 01:01:31.560]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:01:31.560 --> 01:01:35.560]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:01:35.560 --> 01:01:38.560]  They guarantee it is specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:01:38.560 --> 01:01:40.560]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:46.560]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:01:46.560 --> 01:01:48.560]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:52.560]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:01:52.560 --> 01:01:56.560]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
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[01:02:21.560 --> 01:02:27.560]  That imagery reminds me that the Fourth Amendment guarantees Americans freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.
[01:02:27.560 --> 01:02:30.560]  Fourth Amendment, four eyes staring at you, get it?
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[01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:39.560]  Keeson Pointe, TSA airport scanners that peer under your clothing.
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[01:02:46.560 --> 01:02:53.560]  Join me in asking our representatives to dust off the Bill of Rights and use their googly eyes to take a gander at the Fourth.
[01:02:53.560 --> 01:03:22.560]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:29.560]  I will identify my father's house until he returns.
[01:03:29.560 --> 01:03:33.560]  I will identify my father's house.
[01:03:33.560 --> 01:03:37.560]  He hasn't been with us for a long time.
[01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:44.560]  I will identify my father's house.
[01:03:44.560 --> 01:03:48.560]  I will identify my father's house.
[01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:59.560]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton from Mountain View Law Radio to Olivier with Florida.
[01:03:59.560 --> 01:04:04.560]  This is an example of how to play chess with them.
[01:04:04.560 --> 01:04:09.560]  And it's not that hard if you just do your homework.
[01:04:09.560 --> 01:04:20.560]  And Olivier, you've definitely done your homework. So where do you see this going from here?
[01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:23.560]  I don't see it in the appellate court.
[01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:33.560]  I don't know what kind of trash they can make up to try to overturn this, but there, I mean, Supreme Court settles.
[01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:37.560]  Something you haven't experienced yet is the appellate court.
[01:04:37.560 --> 01:04:41.560]  You will find it's different.
[01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:47.560]  The appellate court has a whole different agenda than the trial court does.
[01:04:47.560 --> 01:05:01.560]  And that's why Dr. Graves, who wrote Jurisdictionary, says your only purpose in the trial court should be to set the record for appeal.
[01:05:01.560 --> 01:05:04.560]  You don't care what the judge rules.
[01:05:04.560 --> 01:05:10.560]  Your only purpose is to get the facts and the law on the record.
[01:05:10.560 --> 01:05:21.560]  And what Olivier just went over was a demonstration of how to get the facts and the law on the record.
[01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:25.560]  All of that is for the appellate court.
[01:05:25.560 --> 01:05:38.560]  Because the appellate court is charged with the job of maintaining the corpus juris, the body of law, maintaining the integrity of the law.
[01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:48.560]  Now a trial judge can get mad at you or get paid off and give some crappy ruling, and it only affects you and the other party.
[01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:57.560]  But when the court of appeals rules, what they rule, every lawyer in the state can take and use as law.
[01:05:57.560 --> 01:06:00.560]  So they have to be careful.
[01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:04.560]  They render a bogus ruling, everybody gets to use it.
[01:06:04.560 --> 01:06:19.560]  So they try to render their rulings to maintain a consistent adjudication of law and fix problems that occur in the law as they come up.
[01:06:19.560 --> 01:06:27.560]  Olivier, I think you will find a whole different reception in the court of appeals.
[01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:29.560]  And you'll like it.
[01:06:29.560 --> 01:06:39.560]  This fits exactly to your methodology of staying with facts and law.
[01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:41.560]  Right.
[01:06:41.560 --> 01:06:47.560]  As good as the federal court is over here.
[01:06:47.560 --> 01:06:50.560]  Well, you've been in the federal court a time or two, haven't you?
[01:06:50.560 --> 01:06:51.560]  Yeah.
[01:06:51.560 --> 01:06:56.560]  The one in Florida is the one who led me down the right path.
[01:06:56.560 --> 01:07:00.560]  Yeah, that was a great story.
[01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:05.560]  They threw out his case, and Olivier was all upset about it.
[01:07:05.560 --> 01:07:09.560]  And I asked him to read the judgment carefully.
[01:07:09.560 --> 01:07:15.560]  In the Fed, you get an order, and then you also get a judgment.
[01:07:15.560 --> 01:07:23.560]  In most cases, say you're in a trial court, the judge rules against you.
[01:07:23.560 --> 01:07:41.560]  You should always ask the court for findings of fact and conclusions at law, because it is the duty of the trial court to determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence, then apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case.
[01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:57.560]  When he renders a ruling, in order for you to be able to appeal, you need to know what facts the judge considered and what law he applied to those facts, he or she, so that you know what to appeal.
[01:07:57.560 --> 01:08:00.560]  So you always ask him for findings of fact and conclusions of law.
[01:08:00.560 --> 01:08:10.560]  In the Fed, you don't have to do that, because the judge issues an order stating how he ruled, and then he issues a judgment.
[01:08:10.560 --> 01:08:17.560]  In order for a ruling to be final, there must be an order and a judgment.
[01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:22.560]  The judgment is findings of fact and conclusions of law.
[01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.560]  So I asked Olivier to read that.
[01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.560]  They just automatically put it in the Fed.
[01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:53.560]  Always. And the Fed, the judges, they want parties to bring their best case, so that the judge can look at these two proposed applications of law and determine which one is most consistent with the body of law.
[01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:58.560]  That's a highly sophisticated behavior.
[01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.560]  That's what they like to do.
[01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:04.560]  So they want you to give them your best.
[01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.560]  And when you don't, they will tell you what's wrong with your case.
[01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:16.560]  They'll tell you, they'll tell opposing counsel, so that you can come back to them with what they need to make the best ruling.
[01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:21.560]  And once Olivier read the ruling, he got it.
[01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.560]  But the judge gave me the lawsuit.
[01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.560]  He gave me the argument.
[01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:40.560]  At the end of his judgment, he said why it's wrong, why they didn't have jurisdiction, what I asked for that was incorrect.
[01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:46.560]  And then he says, so because of that, the case need to be dismissed.
[01:09:46.560 --> 01:10:04.560]  He said, but Mr. Olivier has an ongoing issue with the commercial, with Florida State's commercial suspended driver's license, something against his personal security.
[01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:12.560]  So I knew nothing about referring to it as a commercial driver's license statute.
[01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.560]  That came from the federal judge.
[01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:19.560]  I knew nothing about personal security.
[01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:21.560]  I thought it was a trick.
[01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:27.560]  So when I went, I wrote 20 arguments on that case, and none of them say personal security.
[01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:29.560]  They're trying to mess me over.
[01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.560]  And I'm cussing, I'm mad, I'm huffing.
[01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.560]  And I said, wait a minute, let me go see what this personal security is.
[01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.560]  I go read personal security, and I blew up.
[01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:42.560]  My mind was just blown.
[01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.560]  First, the sentence was so beautiful.
[01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.560]  It was just like, what is this?
[01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.560]  I'm like, the judge said everything in one word.
[01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.560]  I'm like, how? That's powerful.
[01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.560]  I wrote like 20 rights.
[01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:03.560]  He wrote one word, two words, but one concept, and it covered the whole umbrella.
[01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:04.560]  I'm like, what?
[01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.560]  Personal security.
[01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.560]  He gave it to me.
[01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.560]  He told me what was wrong, told me why.
[01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:19.560]  I stepped over my bounds, told me to go to the state and beat him up, then gave me the argument.
[01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:25.560]  He said, if you want us to intervene, if you want someone to intervene, go down to the state.
[01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:31.560]  The state has that power, and they have a right to hear your issue.
[01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:37.560]  So go down to the state, and you have an ongoing issue with your personal security.
[01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.560]  Everything else you argued was trash.
[01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.560]  I'm like, you were right, Your Honor.
[01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.560]  I'm on my way.
[01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:54.560]  In his response, he put in there that the judge's criticisms were well taken.
[01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:56.560]  Right.
[01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.560]  What happened in the next ruling?
[01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.560]  You refiled, and they threw you out again.
[01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.560]  What did the judge do in that one?
[01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:15.560]  No, it was before the judgment, and it was before the judgment that the judge wrote.
[01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.560]  Okay.
[01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.560]  This was the second one.
[01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:21.560]  Right.
[01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:27.560]  The judge said that, you know, it was invalid, that they don't have jurisdiction and all that.
[01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:32.560]  Then that's when I wrote back, okay, you know, it's a valid point, and I tried to fix it.
[01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.560]  I tried to fix it. I tried to amend it.
[01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:41.560]  But then the judge said that, you know, even if I amended it, I wouldn't be in a ballpark.
[01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:43.560]  And then he listed why.
[01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:58.560]  Then he told me that I have an ongoing issue with my personal security against Florida State's commercial suspended driver's license statute.
[01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:11.560]  The point I wanted to get to here was in the Fed, if you pay attention, they really want the best cases.
[01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:18.560]  And, you know, I talked to a lot of people who are upset at the judges and think they're all a bunch of criminals.
[01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:22.560]  Sometimes that may be the case, but most of the time, it's not.
[01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.560]  And certainly in Olivier's case, it wasn't.
[01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:28.560]  It felt like it was when they threw his case out.
[01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:37.560]  But when he read their judgment carefully, he found that they were telling him exactly what was wrong with it and how to fix it.
[01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:47.560]  And when he filed his second amended pleading and he told the judge that his argument, his issues were well taken,
[01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:58.560]  and in the ruling after that, the judge referenced that two or three times.
[01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.560]  He showed respect for the court.
[01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:07.560]  And in return, the court gave him what he needed to further his case.
[01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.560]  Word for word.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:17.560]  The point is we should not always consider the judges as the bad guys.
[01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:23.560]  Give them an opportunity to do it right and give them respect and they will return it.
[01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:30.560]  In some cases, if they don't, we all have lots of tools to beat them up with.
[01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:36.560]  This goes to the rule, pick your fights real careful.
[01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:39.560]  You only pick the fight if you have to.
[01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.560]  You can work within the system.
[01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:47.560]  That is the most powerful and elegant way to get this done.
[01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:52.560]  And Olivier is an excellent example of that.
[01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:57.560]  Olivier, I was wondering about that Anders brief.
[01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:05.560]  Is this lawyer going to withdraw her pleadings, take that Anders brief out of the mix?
[01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:10.560]  Or did she already?
[01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:11.560]  Okay.
[01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:16.560]  She filed a brief on April 22nd.
[01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.560]  They granted it April 22nd.
[01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:26.560]  Whoa.
[01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:28.560]  She filed a brief April 22nd.
[01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.560]  They granted it April 22nd.
[01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:35.560]  So technically, she's not supposed to be my attorney potentially.
[01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:43.560]  But when I spoke to her and I expressed myself and then I asked her, so now, are you still my attorney?
[01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:49.560]  She was like, yeah, technically, yeah.
[01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:57.560]  So they're not supposed to, I don't think it's supposed to be accepted the first day.
[01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:05.560]  You got to read it, go over it, see if the attorney is missing anything to go over it again.
[01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:06.560]  Yeah.
[01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:13.560]  And there's supposed to be a number of days before the other side gives an opposition to it.
[01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:18.560]  In this case, you were the other side.
[01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:19.560]  Yeah.
[01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:21.560]  She filed it on the 22nd.
[01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:27.560]  They did it on the 22nd, so there was no even time to speak to her or nothing.
[01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:32.560]  But when I did speak to her, I asked her, are you still going to work on my behalf?
[01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.560]  And she said yes.
[01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:39.560]  So the record said no, but she said yes.
[01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:51.560]  So now you can, this would get an interlocutory or a petition for writ of mandamus to the Supreme,
[01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:56.560]  because this was the appellate court that ruled against you.
[01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:59.560]  So now you can file your...
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[01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:16.560]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelp from Fountain Rouge Radio, and we're talking to Olivier.
[01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:21.560]  Olivier, what do you have coming up next?
[01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:35.560]  I got a court date on May 25th for that failure to maintain lanes and the evading, felony evading arrest,
[01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:42.560]  which I was going 22 miles an hour.
[01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.560]  Crazy driver, you.
[01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.560]  That was going to get dismissed.
[01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:53.560]  One of those OJ Simpson chases.
[01:20:53.560 --> 01:21:10.560]  In reverse. Yeah, but that one was going to get dismissed because the failure to maintain lane charge has been already dismissed, so I'm just having fun on the court, seeing them in the face.
[01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:15.560]  And you still have your avoid for vagueness suit in the works?
[01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.560]  Yes.
[01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:21.560]  Good. Keep us up to speed on what happens.
[01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:22.560]  All right.
[01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:24.560]  Thank you very much.
[01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:25.560]  All right.
[01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:27.560]  Okay, good night.
[01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.560]  Now we're going to go to Shane, Chris in California.
[01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:34.560]  No, Chris in Colorado.
[01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.560]  Things all twisted together, my tangs getting tangled.
[01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:43.560]  Hello, Chris, what do you have for us today?
[01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:48.560]  I had one question, but the guy who was talking with the hospital got me thinking about something.
[01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:52.560]  And I still can't get an answer to this.
[01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:58.560]  I've been on the federal help attorney helpline and these are federal seasoned attorneys and they can't answer it.
[01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:00.560]  It's an interesting dynamic.
[01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:15.560]  But when you're when you build a suit and you have all your claims right on your counts and they're supposed to be a certain type of damage per each either spelled out in statutory or hopefully in case law.
[01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:22.560]  And I've got like nine total claims and only two or three of them are very clear.
[01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:25.560]  The rest of them, I can't find anything.
[01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:32.560]  And nobody knows how to answer the question of how I add up the damages.
[01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:34.560]  So I'm wondering where do I go learn.
[01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:39.560]  Make up something and force the other side to find case law.
[01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:42.560]  You don't need case. You need case law on point.
[01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.560]  It doesn't need to be in your favor.
[01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:47.560]  You get that first case on point.
[01:22:47.560 --> 01:23:05.560]  You can go to that case or go to the underlying trial case and you can see both sides of the arguments and they'll give you the other case law you need that will be on point.
[01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:06.560]  So just make your argument.
[01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.560]  Make up something.
[01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:09.560]  Okay.
[01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.560]  Well, they'll have to work against it.
[01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:14.560]  Okay.
[01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:15.560]  Well, we haven't got that far.
[01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.560]  We're still I'm still waiting on the 12b6.
[01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:19.560]  I'm pretty sure it's going to pass.
[01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:22.560]  I mean, I'm going to it's going to get denied.
[01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:28.560]  But even the attorney said that this was going to go forward for the next year, the opposing counsel.
[01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:35.560]  But once we start lifting damages and I have, you know, we start listing our schedule for discovery and all that.
[01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:40.560]  When I first started this, I was pretty green and now I've read a lot of stuff.
[01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:49.560]  And so I realized that, you know, I strategically set the damage pretty low.
[01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:53.560]  And I only did I knew what I could pretty much substantiate.
[01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:59.560]  But now that I've been looking at all the claims, like, there's a lot to this to the suit.
[01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:03.560]  And it's not only just fraud, but it's like constitutional issues.
[01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:08.560]  There's a even have a public nuisance claim and then I hope sticks.
[01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.560]  That'd be great for towing.
[01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:13.560]  And I don't know how to say I don't know how to put it.
[01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:14.560]  A lot of it's punitive.
[01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.560]  Right. But how do you determine punitive?
[01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:17.560]  That's up to the jury.
[01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.560]  But some of it's actually compensatory, like you defrauded somebody.
[01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.560]  And so it's the amount you defrauded plus trouble in some cases.
[01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:26.560]  Illinois is a little bit vague there.
[01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.560]  So, you know, I'm happy to make it up.
[01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:32.560]  But I don't want to like so far I'm on the judge's good side.
[01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.560]  I don't want to go overboard, I guess, is what I'm saying.
[01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:43.560]  The judge understands that you got to come in and ask for more than you want.
[01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.560]  So you have room to negotiate down.
[01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:51.560]  But pick your number and then triple it and ask for that.
[01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:55.560]  And then when the other side objects to it,
[01:24:55.560 --> 01:25:02.560]  then respond by saying opposing counsel's arguments are well taken
[01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.560]  and ask the judge for permission to file an amended pleading
[01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:13.560]  lowering the amounts to something more reasonable and substantial.
[01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:18.560]  But force the other guys to give you the case law you need.
[01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:19.560]  OK.
[01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:23.560]  You raise five, they're going to raise all this case law saying why it's not.
[01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.560]  And then you get to go look at that case law and find the underlying trial
[01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:32.560]  and you can see the briefs on both sides.
[01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:34.560]  Well, I went the opposite way, Randy.
[01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:35.560]  I lowballed it.
[01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:39.560]  And my strategy is as we progress, I'm going to start upping the price.
[01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:41.560]  That way they'll negotiate off of that.
[01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.560]  They'll realize, yeah, this is a good number.
[01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:45.560]  We'll hit them right about there.
[01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:47.560]  That way we don't necessarily go all the way.
[01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:49.560]  But I'm willing to go all the way.
[01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.560]  And then I told the lawyer over the phone, I said, you know,
[01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.560]  because he wanted me to settle just because the judge asked us,
[01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:56.560]  you know, it's just standard, right?
[01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.560]  I said, no, that's a reasonable amount.
[01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.560]  I haven't even added, we haven't even gone through discovery.
[01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:03.560]  It's only going to go up.
[01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:05.560]  So now that I know a little bit more, I'm going to start,
[01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:09.560]  every time we start talking, I'm going to start adding to the amount.
[01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:14.560]  So by the time it gets to the judge, you know, we're up into whatever and it's legit.
[01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.560]  Maybe I do that next move.
[01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:22.560]  Maybe I just go way over top and then we bring it back down to the original amount.
[01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.560]  That's what I can come up with.
[01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:30.560]  He may say, you know, that's outrageous what you're asking for.
[01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.560]  He should be only asking for this much.
[01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:38.560]  And you might look at that and say, holy, Michael, that's a lot more than I was going to ask for.
[01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:41.560]  Let him kick his hand.
[01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:43.560]  Okay.
[01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:46.560]  And then, you know, I may turn it into a private attorney suit, too,
[01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:53.560]  to justify the punitive damages because my theory was, okay,
[01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:55.560]  the tow company has got to stay in business.
[01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.560]  I know they've towed at least 1,000 cars and screwed them out of their money
[01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:00.560]  and, you know, violated their rights.
[01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:02.560]  So each one of those tows is 200 bucks.
[01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.560]  I can probably prove that through discovery.
[01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:05.560]  So that's how I came up with that number.
[01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:07.560]  But it may be more.
[01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:11.560]  The jury may award more, you know, so we'll see how it goes.
[01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:14.560]  But I feel like I lowballed it just to be conservative.
[01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:18.560]  But now that I'm getting a little more confident, I want to start upping it.
[01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:20.560]  Good.
[01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:21.560]  Okay.
[01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:28.560]  The only thing the jury is going to remember is the number you walked in the door with.
[01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:31.560]  So you want that to be as high as possible.
[01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.560]  Okay.
[01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.560]  And technically, I haven't walked through the door yet, right?
[01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:38.560]  We're just in the beginning of all this.
[01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:40.560]  Have you filed suit?
[01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.560]  Well, yeah, but the jury hasn't seen it yet.
[01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.560]  Oh, okay.
[01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.560]  But they will.
[01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:53.560]  No, not if you file an amended before it gets to the jury.
[01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:59.560]  You want as high a number as you can, if, when, or if you get to a jury.
[01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:00.560]  Okay.
[01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.560]  You probably won't.
[01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:06.560]  They almost never want to risk a jury.
[01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:14.560]  They think they got everything sewed up, but the jury is always a crapshoot.
[01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:15.560]  Yeah.
[01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:20.560]  You may have someone on the jury that a week before deliberations,
[01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:26.560]  the wife's car gets towed in a manner similar to this, and you'll just,
[01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:30.560]  that juror will screw them big time.
[01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:34.560]  So they know that a jury is always a crapshoot, and they do not want to get there.
[01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:39.560]  We had a guy in Austin that they were going after criminally, and he's fighting them.
[01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:42.560]  And for two years, he fought them.
[01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:48.560]  And when they got to the courthouse steps for the trial,
[01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:52.560]  the lawyers came to him, offered him a deal, and he told them, go scratch.
[01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.560]  They get in the courtroom.
[01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:58.560]  The lawyers are trying to figure out how to dismiss the,
[01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:01.560]  the prosecutors are trying to figure out how to dismiss the case.
[01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:04.560]  They didn't have any pleadings ready or anything,
[01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:12.560]  because they were so sure he would take the deal, because everybody takes the deal.
[01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.560]  And so don't worry about getting to the trial court, to the jury.
[01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:20.560]  You just, you want, you're playing to a jury.
[01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:24.560]  The lawyer knows that the only number the jury is going to remember
[01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.560]  is the number you walked in the door with.
[01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:32.560]  So the higher number you start out with, the higher he's going to have to work from,
[01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:35.560]  because he doesn't want to get to get to your jury.
[01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.560]  Okay.
[01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:41.560]  And you're the plaintiff. You have the advantage.
[01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.560]  You come in as the aggrieved party.
[01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:49.560]  Okay. I'll play the bluff. I'm willing to walk to the steps.
[01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.560]  I'm even willing to walk into the courtroom, so we'll see what they do.
[01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:57.560]  And I guess I've got to ask the first question.
[01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.560]  You're the plaintiff, and you're the individual.
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[01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:41.560]  Randy Kelton-Brett out with Rule of Law Radio,
[01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:43.560]  the Boston Division of Colorado.
[01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:47.560]  Chris, do we have anything else?
[01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:51.560]  Do we have you kind of lined out here?
[01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:56.560]  Well, yeah, the reason I was calling is just to see if you could point me in a direction.
[01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:59.560]  I know you don't do much with probate or anything,
[01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:07.560]  but I'm trying to figure out how to mix the two worlds of civil and probate
[01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.560]  because from what I understand about probate courts,
[01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:13.560]  they're pretty much black and white from what somebody's telling me.
[01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:16.560]  There might be some nuances when it comes to bad behavior,
[01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:21.560]  but in the end they just want to split up the things the way a law says, right?
[01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:27.560]  Yeah, I don't have much experience with probate at all.
[01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.560]  Okay, well, I'm learning it.
[01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.560]  But is there anybody else that might or anywhere else I can look
[01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:36.560]  because I don't want to talk to a lawyer about this crap
[01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:40.560]  because they make money off of your ignorance, right?
[01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:48.560]  Yeah, lawyers at probate do everything they can to swallow as much of the state as possible.
[01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:52.560]  So if anybody out there has experience with probate,
[01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.560]  send me an email and I will forward it to Chris.
[01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:06.560]  Okay, and the puzzle of it is so when somebody does something in a succession
[01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:11.560]  that causes civil matters as far as like emotional distress,
[01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:18.560]  the actual, you know, claimable elements, where does that get taken up?
[01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:21.560]  And that's what I'm confused about.
[01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:24.560]  That's a tort.
[01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:27.560]  That's civil. That's a tort issue.
[01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:34.560]  If you're in contract with someone and they breach the contract,
[01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:37.560]  that rings in cause of action.
[01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:41.560]  If you're not in contract with someone and they harm you,
[01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:45.560]  that rings in tort, both of them in the civil court.
[01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:52.560]  Okay, so I may have two court filings, one in probate and one in civil
[01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:58.560]  and one in either county or state court, district court.
[01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:07.560]  It depends. If a civil action, if you accrue a cause of action in a probate court,
[01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:10.560]  I'm not sure if the probate can hear it or not.
[01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:17.560]  You might want to look into that. Probably can.
[01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:23.560]  Okay. All right. Well, yeah, if anybody out there, please steer me in a direction.
[01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:27.560]  I love doing the research, so it's fascinating stuff for sure.
[01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:29.560]  I like your approach to things, Randy.
[01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.560]  You said you were an engineer back in the day.
[01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:33.560]  I'm starting to really get that.
[01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:38.560]  This is all pretty stackable stuff when you start to understand the nuances of it,
[01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.560]  and it's kind of cool how it all comes together.
[01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.560]  It's almost like putting a car together sometimes.
[01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:45.560]  Exactly. That's what engineers like to do.
[01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:51.560]  I've spent the last two weeks learning how to build the back end of a website,
[01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:55.560]  and you just piece by piece.
[01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:59.560]  No matter how complex it gets, it seems like the more complex it is,
[01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.560]  the more engineers like it.
[01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:06.560]  Now, we complain about it, but we still like it,
[01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:10.560]  because it's so much fun when you finish getting all the pieces together,
[01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:13.560]  which I did earlier today.
[01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:15.560]  Okay. Thank you, Chris.
[01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:16.560]  You're welcome.
[01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:22.560]  Now we're going to go to what appears to be a first-time caller.
[01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:27.560]  It looks like Martin, 518 Area Code.
[01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:31.560]  If you're in the 518 Area Code, talk to us.
[01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:33.560]  Hello?
[01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:35.560]  Hello.
[01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:38.560]  Good. Are you a first-time caller?
[01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:40.560]  Yes, I am.
[01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:44.560]  Give me a first name and a state.
[01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:48.560]  Martin from New York.
[01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:49.560]  Hello, Martin.
[01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:53.560]  Okay. What do you have for us today?
[01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:54.560]  Okay.
[01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:59.560]  Well, I'm on a team that's working on researching our elections information
[01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.560]  from 2020 in New York State,
[01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:08.560]  and we were able to successfully foil the state for our election records,
[01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:13.560]  and vote history, and then we've been doing analysis on it.
[01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:18.560]  And what we found is there's an incredible number of duplicates
[01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:21.560]  in our state voter rolls.
[01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:26.560]  And when we move out all of those duplicates that we had somewhere right now
[01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:32.560]  that we found over 300,000 voters missing,
[01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:36.560]  so there was more ballots cast than voters.
[01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:39.560]  And we've been talking to every county, every town,
[01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:42.560]  everyone that would listen to us to show them this information
[01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.560]  to try to get an investigation started,
[01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.560]  and along the way there happened to be a district attorney
[01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.560]  in one of my presentations,
[01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:56.560]  and this district attorney pulled me aside and said,
[01:38:56.560 --> 01:39:00.560]  you have enough evidence for an Article 78 proceeding,
[01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:04.560]  which is basically challenging a government organization
[01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:08.560]  on a decision that they've made saying the decision is wrong
[01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.560]  because the numbers just don't add up.
[01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:16.560]  So how can you certify an election where you have 300,000,
[01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:24.560]  about 325,000 that we found so far, more ballots than voters on the files?
[01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:26.560]  And we're still doing the research right now,
[01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:31.560]  so we just found another 179 duplicates today,
[01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:38.560]  and we're still researching to find people that are not obvious,
[01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.560]  fines, because their names are a little bit off,
[01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:46.560]  but it's the same birth date, so it's the same people.
[01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:53.560]  But anyways, I've been researching this Article 78 proceeding,
[01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:59.560]  and it says that it's advisable to have a lawyer help you do the proceeding
[01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:04.560]  because it's something that you would need a lawyer for.
[01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:10.560]  And so I've just been asking around, and I got your name today.
[01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:14.560]  I was talking to your admin, and your admin said, call in.
[01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.560]  So that's where I'm at.
[01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:22.560]  Unfortunately or fortunately, I am not a lawyer.
[01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:30.560]  They wish I was a lawyer because, per se, private citizens have powers
[01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:35.560]  and abilities far beyond those of mortal lawyers.
[01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:40.560]  I don't know any lawyers who could help in this particular area,
[01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:53.560]  but what I do suggest is you talk to some Republican senators, House representatives.
[01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:55.560]  Talk to the Republicans.
[01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:59.560]  Talk to the ones who suffered in that election.
[01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.560]  They can find you who you need.
[01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:07.560]  You bring them what they need, and very good chance they'll take and run with it.
[01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:14.560]  And one thing, this show is called Rule of Law, but we are not naive.
[01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:22.560]  We understand that at the end of the day, the law is just something we use to give us direction.
[01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:25.560]  At the end of the day, everything is politics.
[01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:30.560]  Everything is political, and all politics is local.
[01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:33.560]  The first thing we do is go to the politicians.
[01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:39.560]  Go to the politicians that would find benefit in what you're doing.
[01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:46.560]  Do you have any Republican politicians left in New York?
[01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:49.560]  Yes, and I have spoken to many, many of them.
[01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:52.560]  Many won't even return my calls.
[01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:55.560]  I have ambushed some of them at events,
[01:41:55.560 --> 01:42:01.560]  and they basically tell me the system is rigged against the little guy,
[01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:04.560]  and there's just nothing you can do unless you sue.
[01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:10.560]  Some of them outright deny that anything went wrong with the election.
[01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.560]  It was the best election ever.
[01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:17.560]  And they're in lockstep, because they're all repeating the same party line.
[01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:19.560]  It's like they were given a cue card,
[01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:27.560]  and it doesn't matter if I'm calling Erie County or Buffalo or someone in Nassau County on Long Island.
[01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:33.560]  They're all repeating the same party line, and they're all refusing to look at it.
[01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:38.560]  So that's where, at the state level, I have gotten nowhere.
[01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:43.560]  In fact, they will outright call me a liar and all sorts of things.
[01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:47.560]  When I mention that we've got problems with the data, the numbers don't add up.
[01:42:47.560 --> 01:42:50.560]  They go out on a full-out attack.
[01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:55.560]  And so that's where I found that I'm jumping down to the county level,
[01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:59.560]  where these are the people that are responsible for the elections.
[01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:08.560]  And if something goes wrong, that their county members are not, their votes are not counted.
[01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:18.560]  And I can show them where I went to one county, 700 voters had been dropped from the county file to the state file.
[01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:22.560]  I went to another county today and showed them that out of 15,000,
[01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:27.560]  almost 1,000 extra voters had been added at the county level.
[01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:29.560]  So that was down their vote.
[01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:37.560]  I'm like, who are these voters that your county says gave me this number?
[01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:40.560]  The state has 1,000 more voters for you.
[01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:42.560]  What's going on?
[01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:48.560]  And so sometimes they just completely ignore me.
[01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:56.560]  But this county has actually invited me back to speak again with more information at their next meeting.
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[01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:52.560]  The people come down from the hill.
[01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:54.560]  We are back.
[01:46:54.560 --> 01:47:01.560]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Martine in New York.
[01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:03.560]  Go ahead.
[01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:10.560]  There's a question I'm going to want to ask here shortly, so go ahead for the moment, Martine.
[01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:26.560]  Okay, so right now I'm just trying to find a strategy, a far way forward to see if there is an option to do an Article 78 proceeding against the State Board of Elections.
[01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:31.560]  And I've just been researching it and trying to understand it everywhere I go.
[01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:38.560]  It keeps saying you actually need a lawyer for this, but sometimes they say that and there's a way around it.
[01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:46.560]  So I'm just collecting research and just talking to anyone that's willing to listen and give me some advice.
[01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:49.560]  Okay, I got some.
[01:47:49.560 --> 01:48:07.560]  When you were saying that there were duplicates added to the roles, who did that or who was responsible for ensuring the integrity of that particular ballot box?
[01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:12.560]  Okay, so these are electronic records.
[01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:25.560]  We haven't even gone to the ballot boxes yet, but how it works in New York State is that every county manages their own elections and they're supposed to process the elections,
[01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:37.560]  certify the results, and then it goes up to the state who then combines the results for the state and then you get a certification at the state level for all the counties.
[01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:43.560]  But what's happening is in many of the counties, the numbers don't reconcile.
[01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:58.560]  So if you have 10,000 voters and 10,000 votes and ballots in one county, when you look at the state file for that county, for that subset, there's 62 counties in New York, it should match.
[01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:03.560]  And what we're finding is that they don't always match.
[01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:13.560]  In many cases, the counties, there's records that have been dropped from the county file.
[01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:14.560]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:16.560]  The state file.
[01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:23.560]  Who is responsible in the county to maintain the integrity of those records?
[01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:33.560]  The Board of Elections, so every county has a Board of Election and then there is a statewide Board of Election that oversees all the counties.
[01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:50.560]  Okay, I'm going to suggest that if you have improper counting from a Board of Elections, that you file criminal charges against each member of that Board of Elections with some magistrate.
[01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:59.560]  Everybody tries to do these things civilly or administratively, but these are crimes.
[01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:05.560]  And the most powerful tool you have are grand juries.
[01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:11.560]  Grand juries were the genius of our founders.
[01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:17.560]  On the show, we talk about filing criminal charges all the time, and I'm always filing criminal charges against public officials.
[01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:21.560]  I never really want them indicted.
[01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:25.560]  What I want to do is get their attention.
[01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:31.560]  So who here wants to risk indictment?
[01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:36.560]  You know, who wants to play Russian roulette with their career and their liberty?
[01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:39.560]  You're messing with these ballot boxes?
[01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:42.560]  That's election fraud.
[01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:51.560]  So when you try to file criminal charges against them, everybody in the system will try to protect them.
[01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:57.560]  And that's wonderful, because everybody that steps up, we hammer them too.
[01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:12.560]  And you create a lot of political pressure on these guys to give them reason not to be influenced by political powers because they're more afraid of grand juries.
[01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:19.560]  So who is the one who signs off on the count?
[01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:28.560]  Well, it goes through stages, so first the Board of Elections will say this is right, and then the county boards,
[01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:36.560]  whether it be a town supervisor board or an elected council, will sign off on their county records.
[01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:43.560]  What I keep hearing from the Board of Directors, from the Board of Elections at the county level is they say our numbers are right.
[01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.560]  If the state has it wrong, that's the state's problem.
[01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:49.560]  They will chase the state down.
[01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:53.560]  I'm like, well, wait a minute, these are your county records that they're misrepresenting.
[01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:59.560]  Why aren't you chasing down the state and asking them why their records don't match yours?
[01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:03.560]  Because their records should be an exact duplicate of yours.
[01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:05.560]  That's how the system is supposed to work.
[01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:09.560]  But they just don't want to deal with the other entity.
[01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:17.560]  Superficials never want to do their job, and they want to do what all of them always do.
[01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:22.560]  If they're going to do their jobs, we have to hold them to it.
[01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:24.560]  Unfortunately.
[01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:30.560]  The election board gives the count to who?
[01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:35.560]  They give it to their county elected representatives.
[01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:44.560]  So in New York State, sometimes it's just a board of supervisors where every town within the county has a representative that's elected.
[01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:53.560]  Or sometimes they do have a county executive with council people that are elected.
[01:52:53.560 --> 01:52:57.560]  Who does the election board give the numbers to?
[01:52:57.560 --> 01:53:06.560]  If the election board claims that their numbers were right, but the records sent to the state were not right,
[01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:13.560]  then whoever they gave their records to, you file criminal charges against him or her.
[01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.560]  For tampering?
[01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:17.560]  For election fraud.
[01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:24.560]  And if they didn't do anything wrong, they'll throw somebody else under the bus for you.
[01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:31.560]  But we've never gotten any civil remedy.
[01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:36.560]  The only way we get remedy is go and go after them for violating laws.
[01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:48.560]  The one thing about public officials, they may only do precisely what they are authorized to do, nothing else.
[01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:52.560]  You, on the other hand, you can do anything you want to.
[01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:56.560]  Unless some law specifically forbids you.
[01:53:56.560 --> 01:54:03.560]  So if you have reason to believe that someone committed election fraud,
[01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:13.560]  and you go to the election board and they assure you that they gave out the right numbers, well, who did you give those numbers to?
[01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:15.560]  You go to that person and file against him.
[01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:18.560]  Well, the election board said, you screwed this up.
[01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:24.560]  And when you're trying to get them in front of a grand jury, it doesn't matter if you get there or not.
[01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:30.560]  Just making grand jury noises will skew the bejesus out of them.
[01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:33.560]  We're not going to fix this at the top.
[01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:39.560]  We're going to fix it down here at the very level where you're at.
[01:54:39.560 --> 01:54:43.560]  I suspect you have no idea how powerful you are.
[01:54:43.560 --> 01:54:48.560]  You are obviously very knowledgeable, very dedicated.
[01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:52.560]  You have the power to change things.
[01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:54.560]  I'm in Texas.
[01:54:54.560 --> 01:55:05.560]  Our governor issued a whole bunch of executive orders after it ordered us all to do all these things.
[01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:12.560]  One guy filed a criminal complaint against the governor for these executive orders.
[01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:17.560]  The week that complaint went to the grand jury, he rescinded all of them.
[01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:27.560]  We are the most powerful people in the state, in the country, because we are citizens in a republic.
[01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:30.560]  Everybody works for us.
[01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:35.560]  They forget that at their professional peril and peril to their liberty.
[01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:39.560]  Once you get that, you can really start changing things.
[01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:40.560]  Go ahead.
[01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:42.560]  I interrupted you.
[01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:43.560]  No, that's all right.
[01:55:43.560 --> 01:55:44.560]  I interrupted you.
[01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:45.560]  Sorry.
[01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:53.560]  I often will bring the Constitution with me and actually quote it and just let these officials know that they're working for us
[01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:59.560]  and that the Constitution limits what they can do, not what I can do.
[01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:00.560]  You got it.
[01:56:00.560 --> 01:56:02.560]  You're just missing one point.
[01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.560]  You need to listen to our show for a while.
[01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:07.560]  We explain how to do this.
[01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:09.560]  I have a rule.
[01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:13.560]  Never give fair warning.
[01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:16.560]  I used to tell the police, oh, I got this right.
[01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:17.560]  I got that right.
[01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:18.560]  You're supposed to do this.
[01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:19.560]  You're supposed to do that.
[01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:25.560]  And all that did was got me labeled as being agitated.
[01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:27.560]  Well, I don't do that anymore.
[01:56:27.560 --> 01:56:31.560]  Now I go and ask public officials to do things.
[01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:40.560]  But I don't ask public officials to do anything that I actually want them to do.
[01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:50.560]  I ask them to do things and when they don't, because I'm sorry, I only ask public officials to do what the law commands them to do.
[01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:54.560]  When they don't do it, boom, I get to land on them.
[01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:59.560]  And I never give them fair warning because bushwhack is so much better.
[01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:02.560]  They want to change the system.
[01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:08.560]  You got to jerk these public officials up and shake them really good.
[01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:09.560]  And we do that all the time.
[01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:13.560]  It is extremely powerful.
[01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:17.560]  This is the one thing they don't want you to know.
[01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:23.560]  You have all the tools you need to begin to dramatically change things.
[01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:26.560]  Take this election board.
[01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:33.560]  Someone comes to them and tries to influence them to add some votes or shave some votes.
[01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:39.560]  After you've hammered them, they're going to tell that guy, you go do that.
[01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:44.560]  I'm not going out there and getting put in the front of a grand jury again.
[01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:47.560]  We do have a tool to fix this.
[01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:50.560]  And I fully understand your frustration.
[01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:52.560]  I have 30 years of that frustration.
[01:57:52.560 --> 01:57:55.560]  Go ahead.
[01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:57.560]  How does that look like?
[01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:04.560]  Where would I actually go to actually file for a grand jury?
[01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:08.560]  How would that work exactly?
[01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:13.560]  Because I don't have any sort of legal background whatsoever.
[01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.560]  We don't have time on this show.
[01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:17.560]  I'm almost out of time.
[01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:26.560]  Send me an email, Randy at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:28.560]  It's too complex to explain here.
[01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:29.560]  Listen to our shows.
[01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:31.560]  We have a lot of archives.
[01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:33.560]  I thought she was on Telegram.
[01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:35.560]  Good, good.
[01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:37.560]  We'll get you the information.
[01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:41.560]  The only problem you'll have with it, it gets to be too much fun.
[01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:42.560]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:42.560 --> 01:58:44.560]  We'll be back next week.
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