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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[00:05.500 --> 00:09.500]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[00:09.500 --> 00:11.000]  Our liberty depends on it.
[00:11.000 --> 00:16.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember your First Amendment rights.
[00:16.500 --> 00:18.500]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.500 --> 00:22.000]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:22.000 --> 00:26.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:26.500 --> 00:32.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[00:32.000 --> 00:34.500]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[00:45.500 --> 00:47.500]  Spar, it's what fighters do.
[00:47.500 --> 00:51.000]  It's also how I remember the five guarantees of the First Amendment.
[00:51.000 --> 00:54.000]  If you plan to take away my rights, I'm going to spar with you.
[00:54.000 --> 00:56.500]  Spar with an extra P.
[00:56.500 --> 01:03.000]  S for speech, P for press, another P for petition, A for assembly, and R for religion.
[01:03.000 --> 01:08.500]  Most Americans are familiar with the First Amendment guarantees of free speech, press, assembly, and religion.
[01:08.500 --> 01:10.500]  But petition for redress is another matter.
[01:10.500 --> 01:14.500]  We have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[01:14.500 --> 01:17.500]  It means that if we're unhappy with what's going on in our government,
[01:17.500 --> 01:21.000]  we can spell out the reasons without fear of being thrown into jail.
[01:21.000 --> 01:26.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:31.000 --> 01:34.500]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:34.500 --> 01:38.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:38.000 --> 01:39.500]  Our liberty depends on it.
[01:39.500 --> 01:43.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way
[01:43.000 --> 01:46.000]  to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:46.000 --> 01:48.000]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:48.000 --> 01:51.500]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:51.500 --> 01:56.500]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[01:56.500 --> 01:58.000]  So protect your rights.
[01:58.000 --> 02:01.500]  Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[02:01.500 --> 02:04.000]  Privacy. It's worth hanging on to.
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[02:15.500 --> 02:19.500]  When I think of the Second Amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms
[02:19.500 --> 02:22.000]  around the Bill of Rights in a big old bear hug.
[02:22.000 --> 02:26.000]  It's how I remember that the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms,
[02:26.000 --> 02:30.000]  arms that embrace our freedoms and won't let anyone take them away without a fight.
[02:30.000 --> 02:33.500]  Get it? Two arms? Bear hug? Bear arms?
[02:33.500 --> 02:37.500]  The late Senator Hubert Humphrey captured the spirit of the Second Amendment so well
[02:37.500 --> 02:38.500]  when he said,
[02:38.500 --> 02:43.500]  The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government,
[02:43.500 --> 02:47.500]  one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America,
[02:47.500 --> 02:51.000]  but which historically has proved to always be possible.
[02:51.000 --> 03:17.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:17.000 --> 03:21.000]  Well, I received my remedy today.
[03:21.000 --> 03:28.000]  It came in a box just like the thing I accepted for value right away.
[03:28.000 --> 03:32.000]  It's not true, not later.
[03:32.000 --> 03:39.000]  We are originators and the pathway seems to get straighter every day.
[03:39.000 --> 03:47.000]  And I can take anything that belongs to me and put it to good use.
[03:47.000 --> 03:54.000]  While I was good for the gander, going to work for the goose.
[03:54.000 --> 04:00.000]  I know some content, I know some engine.
[04:00.000 --> 04:04.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Greenblow Radio.
[04:04.000 --> 04:07.000]  And we're talking to Nancy in Pennsylvania.
[04:07.000 --> 04:12.000]  You have an issue that's not exactly a court case.
[04:12.000 --> 04:17.000]  It's not like you have two parties.
[04:17.000 --> 04:23.000]  What is actually going on with your issue so we can understand how to address this?
[04:23.000 --> 04:31.000]  Yeah, I'm following Alphonse with the property tax issue.
[04:31.000 --> 04:43.000]  So I had to request records and I got a letter full of lies from the,
[04:43.000 --> 04:53.000]  it was a lawyer who I would say is the underling of the person that I addressed the request to.
[04:53.000 --> 05:04.000]  So I bar grieved for rule, I think it was 5.4.1, truthfulness to others, which he violated.
[05:04.000 --> 05:15.000]  And I also bar grieved the supervisor for allowing his underling to state untruths.
[05:15.000 --> 05:22.000]  And then I sent a copy to the other partners in the firm.
[05:22.000 --> 05:28.000]  So I mean, you know, the bar grievances were sent to the judicial commission, you know,
[05:28.000 --> 05:31.000]  and I just sent copies to the firm.
[05:31.000 --> 05:35.000]  And then they broke more laws as well.
[05:35.000 --> 05:43.000]  So two weeks later I filed another bar grievance in the same way.
[05:43.000 --> 05:54.000]  So now I'm just wondering, you know, like I could file another bar grievance against the partners that I noticed,
[05:54.000 --> 06:04.000]  but that would mean because if they break the rule of not reporting their awareness
[06:04.000 --> 06:09.000]  that one of their peers has violated a code.
[06:09.000 --> 06:16.000]  But I'm not, you know, how would I know whether they reported or not?
[06:16.000 --> 06:24.000]  You could ask them to give you notice about when they reported this lawyer.
[06:24.000 --> 06:29.000]  And then if you don't get that notice, which you certainly won't,
[06:29.000 --> 06:35.000]  that will give you reasonable probable cause to believe that they didn't do what you asked them to
[06:35.000 --> 06:40.000]  or what they were supposed to. So agree with me again.
[06:40.000 --> 06:44.000]  But you understand there are consequences to what you're doing.
[06:44.000 --> 06:45.000]  Yeah.
[06:45.000 --> 06:50.000]  There is a very good chance you're not going to get a Christmas card this year.
[06:50.000 --> 06:53.000]  Right. Yeah, you warned me about that before.
[06:53.000 --> 07:01.000]  And I hardly got any Christmas cards last year, so I know I'm on the crap list.
[07:01.000 --> 07:12.000]  Have they been any more cooperative over your issues after you started that bar grievance?
[07:12.000 --> 07:19.000]  Well, I just started. So, you know, this is, as Alphonse does, you're going to have to go to court
[07:19.000 --> 07:28.000]  because you're trying to get the shysters to stop taxing your shelter, and that's going to be a fight.
[07:28.000 --> 07:33.000]  So I'm just hoping to put the pressure on, you know, to get them to back off.
[07:33.000 --> 07:40.000]  And that's also why I filed the criminal complaint in my town because of the superintendent
[07:40.000 --> 07:47.000]  and school board president that tried to have me arrested for not wearing a mask last August.
[07:47.000 --> 07:53.000]  So, you know, I'm just creating a crap show, as, you know, Alphonse would say.
[07:53.000 --> 07:59.000]  And so I have the pencil now for lawsuits.
[07:59.000 --> 08:04.000]  I could use another one. I mean, I could start.
[08:04.000 --> 08:13.000]  Another one concerns my husband's employer who had that crazy COVID policy,
[08:13.000 --> 08:17.000]  but they rescinded it, but not without harassing my husband.
[08:17.000 --> 08:23.000]  And, you know, so there's another court case I could start.
[08:23.000 --> 08:30.000]  And then the first one would be the ticket, you know, the citation that I got last year.
[08:30.000 --> 08:39.000]  I mean, I got rid of it, but, you know, my rights were violated, my inalienable rights.
[08:39.000 --> 08:45.000]  In all four cases, inalienable rights were violated.
[08:45.000 --> 08:51.000]  So with the citation case, that's six hours away.
[08:51.000 --> 08:56.000]  And I'm thinking, how am I going to conduct a lawsuit?
[08:56.000 --> 09:00.000]  And the jurisdiction is six hours from here.
[09:00.000 --> 09:05.000]  Well, right now most courts are holding virtual courts.
[09:05.000 --> 09:13.000]  And you want to object to all oral arguments.
[09:13.000 --> 09:18.000]  As oral arguments would be patently unfair for a pro se,
[09:18.000 --> 09:24.000]  move the court to rule on the documentation.
[09:24.000 --> 09:30.000]  Any time they want you to come to where they're at, file an objection to it,
[09:30.000 --> 09:37.000]  and demand that the court make its ruling on the documentation.
[09:37.000 --> 09:45.000]  All right, and if you make your pleadings really airtight, then hopefully that settles it fast.
[09:45.000 --> 09:49.000]  Yeah, and, you know, for the most part they're municipal courts.
[09:49.000 --> 09:56.000]  They're, you know, it's just an assembly line.
[09:56.000 --> 10:00.000]  They just turn the crank and push out the money.
[10:00.000 --> 10:04.000]  When someone comes along and screws up everything,
[10:04.000 --> 10:08.000]  they don't know what to do about it and they screw it all up.
[10:08.000 --> 10:13.000]  But pick your fights careful.
[10:13.000 --> 10:16.000]  What do you want to do with this ticket?
[10:16.000 --> 10:18.000]  Do you want to prove something?
[10:18.000 --> 10:23.000]  Do you want to change the system or do you want the ticket to go away?
[10:23.000 --> 10:26.000]  What do you want from it?
[10:26.000 --> 10:36.000]  Oh, ideally, you know, this whole fight is to try to help this country save itself, you know,
[10:36.000 --> 10:42.000]  holding public officials accountable.
[10:42.000 --> 10:48.000]  Okay, well, I'll point to this, and Brett and I talk about this on occasion.
[10:48.000 --> 10:57.000]  Pick your fights really careful because you can get more fights than you can keep up with.
[10:57.000 --> 11:06.000]  The problem is not finding a fight to have, but picking the one that suits your purpose the most.
[11:06.000 --> 11:08.000]  Okay.
[11:08.000 --> 11:13.000]  And the most fun part, the best way to do it is to set them up.
[11:13.000 --> 11:20.000]  If the ones you want to go after, if you don't have a fight, you can go down and pick one with them.
[11:20.000 --> 11:24.000]  Best fight to have is the one you picked.
[11:24.000 --> 11:26.000]  Then everybody's responding to you.
[11:26.000 --> 11:28.000]  You're the plaintiff.
[11:28.000 --> 11:30.000]  You lead.
[11:30.000 --> 11:35.000]  Everybody else has to respond to you.
[11:35.000 --> 11:41.000]  So at the end of the day, what do you want to accomplish?
[11:41.000 --> 11:46.000]  And what is your plan to reach that outcome?
[11:46.000 --> 11:48.000]  Yeah.
[11:48.000 --> 11:52.000]  Let me explain why I'm asking that that way.
[11:52.000 --> 11:57.000]  If you don't know where you're going, there's a good chance you're going to wind up somewhere else.
[11:57.000 --> 12:00.000]  So you have to have a goal at the end of the day.
[12:00.000 --> 12:03.000]  I do this. I have a goal.
[12:03.000 --> 12:10.000]  It is my purpose to put every judge in the country in a position such that
[12:10.000 --> 12:16.000]  when he steps out up behind the bench and looks out across the bar at the gallery,
[12:16.000 --> 12:19.000]  I want him wondering, which one?
[12:19.000 --> 12:23.000]  Which one of those scoundrels out there are waiting for me to render a ruling
[12:23.000 --> 12:30.000]  so he can run down to the district attorney and file criminal charges against me?
[12:30.000 --> 12:32.000]  Who was it?
[12:32.000 --> 12:38.000]  Thomas Jefferson said that when the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
[12:38.000 --> 12:42.000]  When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
[12:42.000 --> 12:45.000]  So that's my purpose.
[12:45.000 --> 12:50.000]  Always what I do is weighed against that purpose.
[12:50.000 --> 12:53.000]  I had a bait that dragged me out of the court one day
[12:53.000 --> 12:56.000]  when I filed criminal charges against the district attorney,
[12:56.000 --> 13:00.000]  shoved me out the door, knocked me down, broke my elbow.
[13:00.000 --> 13:06.000]  Now, he didn't mean to knock me down because he gave me a push just as my foot hit a carpet
[13:06.000 --> 13:10.000]  and there were people to clean your feet on, and that carpet went out from under me
[13:10.000 --> 13:12.000]  and I fell down backwards.
[13:12.000 --> 13:16.000]  So he didn't mean to knock me down, break my elbow, but he did.
[13:16.000 --> 13:20.000]  And I could have went after him. I could have sued him for that.
[13:20.000 --> 13:32.000]  But I looked at it and I thought, okay, how can I use this to move me toward my intended ultimate outcome?
[13:32.000 --> 13:38.000]  And there was no way I could frame suing Dick Woods
[13:38.000 --> 13:46.000]  that would lead me toward my intended outcome of getting the judges to follow the law.
[13:46.000 --> 13:49.000]  So I didn't sue Dick Woods.
[13:49.000 --> 13:54.000]  It turned out to be the single most powerful thing I'd ever done at that courthouse
[13:54.000 --> 13:58.000]  because that's when they realized I wasn't the real deal,
[13:58.000 --> 14:05.000]  that I wasn't down here just trying to cause trouble, that I was trying to achieve an outcome.
[14:05.000 --> 14:12.000]  So, Nancy, what is your intended outcome?
[14:12.000 --> 14:24.000]  Well, I'd like them to stop taxing my property.
[14:24.000 --> 14:36.000]  I mean, I could drop the traffic citation one because it went away and I can't do so much in a day.
[14:36.000 --> 14:47.000]  But, I mean, they all involve violations of inalienable rights, which are ruining this country.
[14:47.000 --> 14:55.000]  So, you know, they all have importance. But, you know, if I had to choose one,
[14:55.000 --> 15:03.000]  it would be to get the tax shysters off from taxing my property.
[15:03.000 --> 15:10.000]  Okay. Focus on that one. And they will do all kinds of stuff.
[15:10.000 --> 15:17.000]  They'll give you opportunity to have all kinds of fights.
[15:17.000 --> 15:21.000]  It's like dragging a red herring across the trail.
[15:21.000 --> 15:29.000]  They're trying to lead you off and distract you and keep you in so many fights that you wind up being ineffectual.
[15:29.000 --> 15:31.000]  Right.
[15:31.000 --> 15:35.000]  Figure out what you want. Stay with it.
[15:35.000 --> 15:40.000]  There's nothing worse than someone that will just keep coming.
[15:40.000 --> 15:44.000]  You can't distract them. You can't fight them. They just keep coming at you.
[15:44.000 --> 15:47.000]  There's a book, The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand.
[15:47.000 --> 15:54.000]  And in there, it starts out with this guy trying to kill a architect.
[15:54.000 --> 15:58.000]  What do you call it, Brett, when they evaluate stuff?
[15:58.000 --> 16:01.000]  Like the guys that talk about them.
[16:01.000 --> 16:05.000]  Oh, critics, movie critics.
[16:05.000 --> 16:09.000]  And it wasn't until the end of the movie that he explained why he did that.
[16:09.000 --> 16:15.000]  He says, imagine you're in a room with a crazed maniac and his brain's eaten out.
[16:15.000 --> 16:18.000]  And you know he wants to hurt you.
[16:18.000 --> 16:24.000]  And you can make the most eloquent arguments and give the most convincing reasons as to why he shouldn't hurt you.
[16:24.000 --> 16:28.000]  But he just can't hear you. It just doesn't make any difference.
[16:28.000 --> 16:32.000]  Nothing you do will make any difference.
[16:32.000 --> 16:37.000]  You want to be that crazed maniac with the brain eaten out.
[16:37.000 --> 16:41.000]  You want to be laser focused on an outcome.
[16:41.000 --> 16:45.000]  Let them do nothing to lead you away from your outcome.
[16:45.000 --> 16:48.000]  That's when you become powerful.
[16:48.000 --> 16:52.000]  Talk to Alphonse. That's what he does.
[16:52.000 --> 16:58.000]  Stay focused. Hang on, Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, we'll do the radio. We'll be right back.
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[20:33.000 --> 20:38.000]  Randy Felton, Fountain Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Nancy in Pennsylvania.
[20:38.000 --> 20:42.000]  And I'll get off my soapbox now.
[20:42.000 --> 20:46.000]  I was preaching the gospel according to Randy.
[20:46.000 --> 20:50.000]  So what do you think, Nancy?
[20:50.000 --> 20:57.000]  Well, the other case concerning my husband's employer is important too,
[20:57.000 --> 21:10.000]  because they won't recognize an inalienable right to freedom of conscience and bodily autonomy.
[21:10.000 --> 21:16.000]  I mean, they've rescinded their policy, but they're still threatening that if, you know, OSHA says they have to do this,
[21:16.000 --> 21:20.000]  then you're going to have to get your shot or be fired, you know.
[21:20.000 --> 21:26.000]  It's just unbelievable, so what we're dealing with.
[21:26.000 --> 21:30.000]  What I'm saying is focus, focus, focus, focus.
[21:30.000 --> 21:37.000]  You can probably take on two issues at a time, but there is so much inequity out there
[21:37.000 --> 21:42.000]  that you can find more issues to take on than you can get to.
[21:42.000 --> 21:45.000]  And be careful of the issues you take on.
[21:45.000 --> 21:47.000]  You know, this is your husband's employment.
[21:47.000 --> 21:51.000]  How important is that?
[21:51.000 --> 21:56.000]  The reason I ask is, you know, I'm an older guy.
[21:56.000 --> 21:59.000]  I am essentially retired.
[21:59.000 --> 22:00.000]  My house is paid for.
[22:00.000 --> 22:02.000]  My car is paid for.
[22:02.000 --> 22:05.000]  I don't owe anybody anything.
[22:05.000 --> 22:07.000]  And my kids are grown.
[22:07.000 --> 22:09.000]  I fulfill my contract with life.
[22:09.000 --> 22:16.000]  I can go out there and have these fights, but someone who has a couple of kids they're trying to raise
[22:16.000 --> 22:22.000]  and got two car payments, a house payment, they're buried already,
[22:22.000 --> 22:26.000]  you can't take on these fights and you don't need to.
[22:26.000 --> 22:31.000]  The American Revolution was won by 3% of the population.
[22:31.000 --> 22:33.000]  Yeah.
[22:33.000 --> 22:38.000]  If we can engage those 3%, we can win this back.
[22:38.000 --> 22:48.000]  But if you take on more than you can handle, you wind up totally ineffective in all areas.
[22:48.000 --> 22:49.000]  Right.
[22:49.000 --> 22:55.000]  Well, it's something that requires prayer to discern.
[22:55.000 --> 22:59.000]  You know, I'm in a position where my children are grown,
[22:59.000 --> 23:03.000]  so I don't have that vulnerability.
[23:03.000 --> 23:12.000]  And not a lot of people can have the opportunity now to work full time on this endeavor.
[23:12.000 --> 23:16.000]  So am I that 3%, you know, that needs to stand up?
[23:16.000 --> 23:22.000]  I mean, that's a question between me and my husband and our maker, you know.
[23:22.000 --> 23:27.000]  So it's just unbelievable what we're dealing with.
[23:27.000 --> 23:32.000]  Because, you know, if they say that they can tell you what to put in your body,
[23:32.000 --> 23:35.000]  what kind of life are we going to be having?
[23:35.000 --> 23:41.000]  What kind of life am I going to lead for the next generation, you know?
[23:41.000 --> 23:45.000]  You're exactly part of the 3% we're looking for.
[23:45.000 --> 23:46.000]  Yeah.
[23:46.000 --> 23:52.000]  But we need to make sure that you don't get in over your head and get burned out.
[23:52.000 --> 23:53.000]  Right.
[23:53.000 --> 23:57.000]  And, of course, you know, when you're taking jurisdictionary, you find, like, you read,
[23:57.000 --> 24:03.000]  or even, you know, just listening to other people talk about if you write a pleading,
[24:03.000 --> 24:07.000]  that's really tight and no wiggle room.
[24:07.000 --> 24:16.000]  You know, you can end the case through once you get into discovery for production
[24:16.000 --> 24:21.000]  and requests for production and most, you know, admissions.
[24:21.000 --> 24:26.000]  You know, you can end up shutting, closing the case real fast, you know?
[24:26.000 --> 24:33.000]  So that's what I shoot for, to create a complaint that is so airtight
[24:33.000 --> 24:39.000]  that there's no wiggle room and they're going to want to settle.
[24:39.000 --> 24:41.000]  So...
[24:41.000 --> 24:46.000]  You got, you sound like you have your head on right.
[24:46.000 --> 24:50.000]  Don't expect to win at the end of the day in the trial court.
[24:50.000 --> 24:56.000]  The way we win is bring the other side to the table and get them to go out and check.
[24:56.000 --> 24:57.000]  Yeah.
[24:57.000 --> 25:02.000]  Okay, okay, it's not about the money, but the money is how they keep score.
[25:02.000 --> 25:05.000]  And it's about keeping score.
[25:05.000 --> 25:08.000]  It's about stinging them.
[25:08.000 --> 25:11.000]  And the best place to sting them is in their pocket.
[25:11.000 --> 25:19.000]  And that has an added benefit because it helps bankroll other fights.
[25:19.000 --> 25:23.000]  We have a lot of people that, you know, they expect to,
[25:23.000 --> 25:27.000]  if they have the right argument and they have the law on their side,
[25:27.000 --> 25:32.000]  they have this expectation that they will win at the end of the day.
[25:32.000 --> 25:35.000]  Good luck with that.
[25:35.000 --> 25:38.000]  I haven't seen that happening.
[25:38.000 --> 25:43.000]  The way you win is you get in their pocketbook.
[25:43.000 --> 25:47.000]  If you get a few extra bucks, nice.
[25:47.000 --> 25:51.000]  Okay, Nancy, do you have anything else for us?
[25:51.000 --> 25:53.000]  Well, just one last question.
[25:53.000 --> 25:58.000]  You talked about using a trial by jury is a little bit risky
[25:58.000 --> 26:02.000]  because you don't know which way the jury is really going to go.
[26:02.000 --> 26:09.000]  But then also that's the ideal, though, according to our Constitution,
[26:09.000 --> 26:12.000]  is to have a trial by jury.
[26:12.000 --> 26:18.000]  So it just feels confusing to know what's the best.
[26:18.000 --> 26:20.000]  That's not exactly the ideal.
[26:20.000 --> 26:27.000]  The ideal is having the absolute right to a trial by jury.
[26:27.000 --> 26:29.000]  Okay.
[26:29.000 --> 26:32.000]  It's not necessarily ideal to have a trial by jury.
[26:32.000 --> 26:39.000]  If you have an issue that's very technical and highly complex,
[26:39.000 --> 26:41.000]  juries just don't get it.
[26:41.000 --> 26:45.000]  You don't have time to put a jury through law school
[26:45.000 --> 26:50.000]  so they can understand these highly technical legal issues.
[26:50.000 --> 26:53.000]  In those cases, I want it before a judge.
[26:53.000 --> 26:57.000]  Because the jury, they can do anything they want to.
[26:57.000 --> 27:05.000]  Thomas Jefferson said that juries are the ultimate check
[27:05.000 --> 27:08.000]  to the balance of good government.
[27:08.000 --> 27:11.000]  I'm sorry.
[27:11.000 --> 27:21.000]  They're the ultimate check to, not check, check's not the right word.
[27:21.000 --> 27:24.000]  Let me just say defense against bad law.
[27:24.000 --> 27:27.000]  Because if the legislature passes bad law
[27:27.000 --> 27:30.000]  and the jury refuses to enforce that law,
[27:30.000 --> 27:33.000]  the legislature will have to change it.
[27:33.000 --> 27:38.000]  So in that regard, the jury can do what it wants to.
[27:38.000 --> 27:42.000]  It doesn't have to follow law.
[27:42.000 --> 27:47.000]  The jury, once it's given to the jury, they can do whatever they want.
[27:47.000 --> 27:50.000]  And I don't necessarily want that.
[27:50.000 --> 27:57.000]  I'm in the process of taking on the system for not following their own law.
[27:57.000 --> 27:59.000]  If I go before a jury,
[27:59.000 --> 28:04.000]  the jury gets to decide whether it wants to hold these public officials
[28:04.000 --> 28:07.000]  to the rule of law or not.
[28:07.000 --> 28:11.000]  The judge does not have that luxury.
[28:11.000 --> 28:18.000]  He's bound by code to properly apply the law to the facts.
[28:18.000 --> 28:21.000]  He doesn't get to ignore the law the way the jury can.
[28:21.000 --> 28:24.000]  So it depends on what kind of issue you've got.
[28:24.000 --> 28:30.000]  If you've got an issue where a policeman stops someone like Joe was talking about
[28:30.000 --> 28:36.000]  and the woman is a passenger in the car and she gets charged with DUI,
[28:36.000 --> 28:39.000]  I want that before a jury.
[28:39.000 --> 28:41.000]  They're not going to go for that.
[28:41.000 --> 28:44.000]  In a trial court, the judge is not going to care.
[28:44.000 --> 28:48.000]  He just wants to get a guilty plea.
[28:48.000 --> 28:51.000]  So you need to look at it.
[28:51.000 --> 28:55.000]  Who would likely give you the best outcome?
[28:55.000 --> 28:56.000]  Yeah.
[28:56.000 --> 28:57.000]  Okay.
[28:57.000 --> 28:58.000]  All right.
[28:58.000 --> 28:59.000]  Well, thank you so much.
[28:59.000 --> 29:04.000]  It's a delight calling in and I really appreciate it.
[29:04.000 --> 29:06.000]  And anytime you want to call in,
[29:06.000 --> 29:11.000]  just call in and say nice stuff about us and we'll keep you on all day.
[29:11.000 --> 29:12.000]  All righty.
[29:12.000 --> 29:13.000]  You got a deal.
[29:13.000 --> 29:14.000]  Okay.
[29:14.000 --> 29:15.000]  Okay.
[29:15.000 --> 29:16.000]  Thank you, Nancy.
[29:16.000 --> 29:17.000]  Okay.
[29:17.000 --> 29:19.000]  Now we're going to go to Chris in New York.
[29:19.000 --> 29:22.000]  Hello, Chris.
[29:22.000 --> 29:24.000]  Hey, Randy.
[29:24.000 --> 29:27.000]  What do you have for us today?
[29:27.000 --> 29:34.000]  Well, Randy, just to preserve my rights in New York State,
[29:34.000 --> 29:38.000]  I filed a notice of claim because it's going to be about 90 days
[29:38.000 --> 29:44.000]  from the false arrest and kidnapping and false imprisonment.
[29:44.000 --> 29:47.000]  And I wanted to preserve my rights
[29:47.000 --> 29:49.000]  in case I wanted to be used.
[29:49.000 --> 29:50.000]  Okay.
[29:50.000 --> 29:51.000]  Wait, wait.
[29:51.000 --> 29:52.000]  Hang on.
[29:52.000 --> 29:54.000]  We will get to that on the other side.
[29:54.000 --> 29:56.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Wheel of Law Radio.
[29:56.000 --> 30:01.000]  We'll be right back.
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[33:12.000 --> 33:31.000]  Yeah, yeah, oh
[33:31.000 --> 33:50.000]  I won't, oh I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[33:50.000 --> 34:01.000]  They must refuse your news also from in my eyes.
[34:01.000 --> 34:02.000]  Okay, we are back.
[34:02.000 --> 34:10.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Root of Law Radio on this Friday, the 29th day of April, 2022.
[34:10.000 --> 34:13.000]  And we have some empty slots on the caller board.
[34:13.000 --> 34:15.000]  If you have a question or comment, give us a call.
[34:15.000 --> 34:21.000]  It's 246-1984 and we're talking to Chris in New York.
[34:21.000 --> 34:24.000]  Okay, Chris, where were we?
[34:24.000 --> 34:31.000]  He was just about to tell us, following a notice of claim and hasn't yet said what for.
[34:31.000 --> 34:33.000]  Oh, okay.
[34:33.000 --> 34:34.000]  There you go.
[34:34.000 --> 34:35.000]  Go ahead, Chris.
[34:35.000 --> 34:38.000]  We both, both of us unmuted you, so it's a toggle.
[34:38.000 --> 34:42.000]  So Brett unmuted you and I remuted you and now I've unmuted you.
[34:42.000 --> 34:45.000]  Now you can talk and I'll shut up.
[34:45.000 --> 34:51.000]  Okay, so the notice, I was filing a notice of claim because I was just making sure,
[34:51.000 --> 34:57.000]  preserving my rights because you have to do that in New York State within 90 days of the incident.
[34:57.000 --> 35:03.000]  The incident was, we've talked about this before, I was doing an audit at the county building after
[35:03.000 --> 35:12.000]  RG3 warning the county executive and sheriff in writing about their legal policy of forcing masks onto people
[35:12.000 --> 35:15.000]  in order to enter a public accommodation.
[35:15.000 --> 35:21.000]  And when I went down there for the second time, they had arrested me on a vacated bench for it.
[35:21.000 --> 35:30.000]  And then I had the ADA try to misrepresent the warrant and say that it was not fine,
[35:30.000 --> 35:36.000]  or that it was for not paying fines, which is just not the point.
[35:36.000 --> 35:41.000]  So anyways, they immediately dropped all that stuff.
[35:41.000 --> 35:47.000]  The action against me trying to use OB recharges that have already been resolved.
[35:47.000 --> 35:51.000]  And now I'm doing bar grievances.
[35:51.000 --> 36:01.000]  They actually, the public defender and the ADA that took place, you know, that were part of the arraignment.
[36:01.000 --> 36:06.000]  I have two bar grievances against both of them.
[36:06.000 --> 36:15.000]  One of them did an affirmation trying to state his case of why he can be a bonehead and been confident.
[36:15.000 --> 36:20.000]  So I answered that one and the other one just sent a letter and I shot that one apart.
[36:20.000 --> 36:26.000]  And I'm still waiting to hear back from the bar grievance committee.
[36:26.000 --> 36:35.000]  So in the meantime, because the Notice of Claim needs to be served to like, you know, it's a county issue,
[36:35.000 --> 36:39.000]  so I served it to the county attorney's office.
[36:39.000 --> 36:43.000]  And then I got this letter in a mail, certified register,
[36:43.000 --> 36:49.000]  because I had to send mine certified register because that's what it says how to do it in the New York State Code.
[36:49.000 --> 36:57.000]  And I got this letter from this big law firm from a different part of the state.
[36:57.000 --> 37:05.000]  And it's addressed to me, okay, Christopher A. Roberts, because that's my full name, okay.
[37:05.000 --> 37:17.000]  Then the next page is the Notice of Examination and it's pursuant to General Municipal Law 50-H, which is the Notice of Claim.
[37:17.000 --> 37:23.000]  So they're wanting more information, which they, you know, they have every right to do.
[37:23.000 --> 37:29.000]  But this is addressed to Christopher J. Roberts, and that's not me.
[37:29.000 --> 37:32.000]  Then in the body of the, you know...
[37:32.000 --> 37:33.000]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[37:33.000 --> 37:37.000]  In law, they're going to call that a nun's pro-tunk.
[37:37.000 --> 37:38.000]  Okay.
[37:38.000 --> 37:40.000]  It's a minor boo-boo.
[37:40.000 --> 37:47.000]  Addressing that is a distinction without a difference.
[37:47.000 --> 37:53.000]  You know, a lot of people in the Patriot movement tried to take on these tiny little details.
[37:53.000 --> 37:56.000]  That's not, it's an irrelevant detail.
[37:56.000 --> 38:03.000]  You, the real you, got constructive notice even though they had a typo in the document.
[38:03.000 --> 38:06.000]  And that's what the court's going to say.
[38:06.000 --> 38:12.000]  They had a made minor boo-boo, but it was not material.
[38:12.000 --> 38:18.000]  Should I answer these people back and tell them that they made a mistake right away and refix it and send it to me?
[38:18.000 --> 38:28.000]  No, go ahead and just note to them that you, they got your name wrong and ask them to correct it in future documents.
[38:28.000 --> 38:33.000]  But don't pick a fight about something that's unimportant.
[38:33.000 --> 38:35.000]  Okay, very good.
[38:35.000 --> 38:37.000]  Yeah, that was really minor stuff.
[38:37.000 --> 38:43.000]  You really want to set them up and lead them into big stuff where you can really kick their behinds.
[38:43.000 --> 38:46.000]  Good enough.
[38:46.000 --> 38:51.000]  Okay, there's a thing we do.
[38:51.000 --> 38:59.000]  I had a friend, Ken Magnuson, and he said that I preach to the church the malcontents.
[38:59.000 --> 39:06.000]  Okay, yeah, and kind of we do, and I was talking to Dr. Joe on the break.
[39:06.000 --> 39:13.000]  He's on the corner board, and he was talking about rapport, that we're all out of rapport.
[39:13.000 --> 39:25.000]  When we're dealing with the courts, the best way to jerk their chains is to be nice to them.
[39:25.000 --> 39:29.000]  Don't raise minor issues that are unimportant.
[39:29.000 --> 39:38.000]  When a lawyer from the other side files a motion or a pleading and just rips you to shreds, and you file a response to it,
[39:38.000 --> 39:46.000]  the first thing you do is say, counselors' criticisms are well taken,
[39:46.000 --> 39:54.000]  and then go in to show him why what he did was improper or whatever.
[39:54.000 --> 39:59.000]  A little bit of courtesy really screws them up.
[39:59.000 --> 40:01.000]  I'm pretty well known around here.
[40:01.000 --> 40:05.000]  When I go into courts, I'm always laughing and joking with them.
[40:05.000 --> 40:15.000]  Most of them have never heard me ever raise my voice, but they are terrified when I come into their court.
[40:15.000 --> 40:23.000]  The word is, if that Kelton comes into your court, he's trying to get you to do something so he can try to get you arrested, and that's true.
[40:23.000 --> 40:25.000]  I am.
[40:25.000 --> 40:30.000]  But what do you do with a guy like that when he's always nice and laughing and joking?
[40:30.000 --> 40:33.000]  How's it going?
[40:33.000 --> 40:39.000]  He's in a position where it's difficult for them to vilify you.
[40:39.000 --> 40:44.000]  I had Olivier on the call earlier, but he dropped off.
[40:44.000 --> 40:48.000]  Olivier, if you're listening, call back.
[40:48.000 --> 40:50.000]  He did this in the federal court.
[40:50.000 --> 40:54.000]  The federal court dismissed his case, and he was furious.
[40:54.000 --> 41:04.000]  I told him, you know, when a federal court renders a ruling, they'll give you a judgment that explains exactly why they ruled the way they did.
[41:04.000 --> 41:08.000]  Federal courts always give findings, effect, and conclusions of law.
[41:08.000 --> 41:11.000]  That's what the judgment is.
[41:11.000 --> 41:15.000]  He read it, and he realized that they were right,
[41:15.000 --> 41:20.000]  that they were telling him exactly what was wrong with his document and how to fix it.
[41:20.000 --> 41:28.000]  So I suggested that when he filed his response, start out with the court's criticisms are well taken.
[41:28.000 --> 41:30.000]  He did that.
[41:30.000 --> 41:47.000]  They discussed his next document, his next reading, but in the judgment, the court referenced the fact that Olivier said that the court's criticisms were well taken.
[41:47.000 --> 41:54.000]  They indicated that we hope these criticisms are also well taken.
[41:54.000 --> 41:58.000]  That meant it went a long way.
[41:58.000 --> 42:08.000]  A little bit of schmoozing these guys, and don't let them lead you into starting fights that aren't necessary.
[42:08.000 --> 42:12.000]  Am I making sense, Chris?
[42:12.000 --> 42:14.000]  It sure does, Randy.
[42:14.000 --> 42:17.000]  If they're mad at you, don't let them know it.
[42:17.000 --> 42:18.000]  I'm sorry.
[42:18.000 --> 42:21.000]  If you're mad at them, don't let them know it.
[42:21.000 --> 42:28.000]  If they can push your buttons and get you to dance for them, they know how to do that.
[42:28.000 --> 42:29.000]  They do that all the time.
[42:29.000 --> 42:37.000]  When they start pushing your buttons and the buttons don't work, they're the ones that get tripped up.
[42:37.000 --> 42:38.000]  Okay.
[42:38.000 --> 42:40.000]  Where were you?
[42:40.000 --> 42:42.000]  Back to your issue.
[42:42.000 --> 42:43.000]  Back to my issue?
[42:43.000 --> 42:46.000]  Well, I just wanted to know if there was anything to do with that.
[42:46.000 --> 42:53.000]  I'm just finishing up some work that generates me money so I can file a lawsuit, and I have a case,
[42:53.000 --> 42:58.000]  and I've pretty much got it all written off, and I'm going to be in federal court.
[42:58.000 --> 43:05.000]  I just wanted to preserve my rights, but they want me to appear like May 25th was my evidence and stuff.
[43:05.000 --> 43:07.000]  I'll be filing hopefully before that.
[43:07.000 --> 43:10.000]  I was just doing the notice of shame on this.
[43:10.000 --> 43:13.000]  Have you been in the federal court before?
[43:13.000 --> 43:15.000]  No.
[43:15.000 --> 43:17.000]  Okay, this is what's going to happen.
[43:17.000 --> 43:22.000]  They're going to chew you up and spit you out.
[43:22.000 --> 43:27.000]  But you'll learn from that.
[43:27.000 --> 43:30.000]  The one thing that you've got is you can always come back and appeal.
[43:30.000 --> 43:32.000]  There's always something you can do.
[43:32.000 --> 43:33.000]  They're going to beat you up.
[43:33.000 --> 43:36.000]  They're going to get you to say stupid stuff you wish you hadn't said,
[43:36.000 --> 43:40.000]  and they're going to do stuff you wish you would have said that you didn't say.
[43:40.000 --> 43:42.000]  Join the club.
[43:42.000 --> 43:43.000]  We all do that.
[43:43.000 --> 43:45.000]  Don't let that bother you.
[43:45.000 --> 43:49.000]  You're in the federal courts, and they will help you out.
[43:49.000 --> 43:51.000]  I'll address that when we come back on the other side.
[43:51.000 --> 43:54.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Ruval Radio.
[43:54.000 --> 44:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[46:04.000 --> 46:29.000]  Okay, we are back.
[46:29.000 --> 46:34.000]  We're talking to Chris in New York.
[46:34.000 --> 46:37.000]  Chris, we talked to Nancy before you.
[46:37.000 --> 46:44.000]  We're having a good day today because you sound a lot like Nancy.
[46:44.000 --> 46:48.000]  Apparently, they came after you, and you got it all dismissed.
[46:48.000 --> 46:53.000]  And most people, when that happens, they are so relieved
[46:53.000 --> 46:56.000]  that this burden is off of them.
[46:56.000 --> 47:02.000]  They just want to go away and not think about it ever again.
[47:02.000 --> 47:07.000]  You didn't seem to take that position.
[47:07.000 --> 47:13.000]  You took it as, okay, now let's fight.
[47:13.000 --> 47:17.000]  Have you been through Jurisdictionary?
[47:17.000 --> 47:20.000]  Oh, yeah.
[47:20.000 --> 47:26.000]  Yeah, we're on track. I've been in Alphonse for about a year,
[47:26.000 --> 47:29.000]  just listening to everybody.
[47:29.000 --> 47:32.000]  And then I picked my own fight with the public accommodation
[47:32.000 --> 47:35.000]  and the face mask because I don't like that.
[47:35.000 --> 47:39.000]  And that's where it all started, and now it's snowballed
[47:39.000 --> 47:44.000]  and it involves, like, there were 40 people in my notice of claim.
[47:44.000 --> 47:49.000]  This is how you change the world we live in.
[47:49.000 --> 47:54.000]  Not that going and getting the heads of government
[47:54.000 --> 47:59.000]  and all these major players torn down.
[47:59.000 --> 48:02.000]  Do it down here at the bottom.
[48:02.000 --> 48:05.000]  Start taking them off at the knees.
[48:05.000 --> 48:12.000]  And if we can get more people like you, we can begin to make change.
[48:12.000 --> 48:15.000]  So keep this up and keep us up to speed.
[48:15.000 --> 48:19.000]  Do you have any other questions that we didn't address?
[48:19.000 --> 48:23.000]  No, just waiting for stuff to come back because I got criminal complaints,
[48:23.000 --> 48:28.000]  two different criminal complaints out in front of two different judges.
[48:28.000 --> 48:30.000]  Okay, well, you're in New York.
[48:30.000 --> 48:35.000]  Have you tried taking criminal complaints directly to a grand jury?
[48:35.000 --> 48:38.000]  Why, where is it?
[48:38.000 --> 48:42.000]  Only the attorney knows where that is, right?
[48:42.000 --> 48:47.000]  No, New York recently revamped their grand juries.
[48:47.000 --> 48:50.000]  They've got a really good grand jury,
[48:50.000 --> 48:54.000]  but the prosecuting attorney is going to do everything he can
[48:54.000 --> 48:58.000]  to keep you from getting to a grand jury.
[48:58.000 --> 49:06.000]  The reason we have grand juries is to protect us against prosecutors.
[49:06.000 --> 49:09.000]  Prosecutors can do what grand juries are doing,
[49:09.000 --> 49:13.000]  but our founders know better.
[49:13.000 --> 49:19.000]  Grand juries are the genius of our founders.
[49:19.000 --> 49:23.000]  Go down and start making grand jury noises.
[49:23.000 --> 49:29.000]  You want to hear every anal sphincter in the place squeeze shut.
[49:29.000 --> 49:34.000]  When you start going after grand juries, everybody gets nervous.
[49:34.000 --> 49:37.000]  Doesn't always matter if you get to the grand jury or not.
[49:37.000 --> 49:43.000]  Even if you do, it doesn't matter if you get an indictment or not.
[49:43.000 --> 49:49.000]  It's like playing Russian roulette with these guys' careers and their liberty.
[49:49.000 --> 49:51.000]  I walked into my district attorney's office.
[49:51.000 --> 49:53.000]  He's got his head in his hand.
[49:53.000 --> 49:55.000]  He's looking morose.
[49:55.000 --> 49:57.000]  And I said, what's the matter, Greg?
[49:57.000 --> 50:02.000]  And he looked up at me and said, those darn grand jurors,
[50:02.000 --> 50:05.000]  you never know what they're going to do.
[50:05.000 --> 50:09.000]  I held up both hands above my head, looked up at the ceiling and said,
[50:09.000 --> 50:12.000]  there is a God.
[50:12.000 --> 50:19.000]  I could not have heard anything better than that.
[50:19.000 --> 50:26.000]  You hear all this stuff about prosecutors controlling grand jurors.
[50:26.000 --> 50:30.000]  Well, you know, Scalia said that any prosecutor worth his salt
[50:30.000 --> 50:33.000]  could get a ham sandwich indictment.
[50:33.000 --> 50:35.000]  That might be true.
[50:35.000 --> 50:40.000]  The problem they have is keeping the ham sandwich from getting indicted.
[50:40.000 --> 50:44.000]  When you start taking public officials to grand juries, they are terrified.
[50:44.000 --> 50:47.000]  Everybody is terrified.
[50:47.000 --> 50:56.000]  So, Chris, if you want to file complaints, go down and file them with grand jury.
[50:56.000 --> 50:58.000]  What do you mean go down?
[50:58.000 --> 51:00.000]  Can you explain the process?
[51:00.000 --> 51:08.000]  Generally, the grand jury's address is the address of the prosecuting attorney.
[51:08.000 --> 51:16.000]  So I send criminal complaints to the grand jury addressed to the district attorney's office.
[51:16.000 --> 51:19.000]  But the addressee is the foreman of the grand jury,
[51:19.000 --> 51:25.000]  and I put a cover letter in the folder asking the foreman to initial this document
[51:25.000 --> 51:29.000]  and send it back to me so that I know that you actually received this.
[51:29.000 --> 51:32.000]  I've never gotten one back.
[51:32.000 --> 51:34.000]  But when I don't get one back in a couple of years...
[51:34.000 --> 51:36.000]  I got one back one time.
[51:36.000 --> 51:38.000]  Oh, yes.
[51:38.000 --> 51:41.000]  I don't even know how many, but yeah, one.
[51:41.000 --> 51:43.000]  What is one?
[51:43.000 --> 51:45.000]  If you don't get it back...
[51:45.000 --> 51:49.000]  That's the one where I said, that's the one where the grand jury foreman said,
[51:49.000 --> 51:52.000]  we decline to inquire into this matter.
[51:52.000 --> 51:54.000]  And I said, okay, that'll work.
[51:54.000 --> 51:58.000]  And I filed criminal charges against the grand jury foreman
[51:58.000 --> 52:02.000]  because he has an oath that he has to inquire into that matter.
[52:02.000 --> 52:04.000]  The text is...
[52:04.000 --> 52:07.000]  It used to be 20.08.
[52:07.000 --> 52:09.000]  It changed the numbering system.
[52:09.000 --> 52:11.000]  Under duties of grand juries, it says,
[52:11.000 --> 52:16.000]  the grand jury shall investigate into all crimes subject to indictment
[52:16.000 --> 52:20.000]  that come to their knowledge by way of any member of the grand jury,
[52:20.000 --> 52:26.000]  the prosecuting attorney, or any credible person.
[52:26.000 --> 52:29.000]  It does not say may, might, or can if he wants to.
[52:29.000 --> 52:33.000]  It says shall.
[52:33.000 --> 52:37.000]  Just think of the storm he stirred up
[52:37.000 --> 52:40.000]  when he's going after the grand jury foreman.
[52:40.000 --> 52:43.000]  I had a prosecuting attorney tell me once,
[52:43.000 --> 52:47.000]  oh, Mr. Keldon, please don't mess with my grand jury.
[52:47.000 --> 52:50.000]  They're hard enough to see it as it is.
[52:50.000 --> 52:52.000]  That's the weak underbelly.
[52:52.000 --> 52:54.000]  That's the genus of our founders.
[52:54.000 --> 52:56.000]  We need to use that.
[52:56.000 --> 53:00.000]  So just send a letter to the DA with a cover letter.
[53:00.000 --> 53:03.000]  When you don't get that cover letter back,
[53:03.000 --> 53:06.000]  then you have reasonable probable cause to believe
[53:06.000 --> 53:12.000]  that the prosecuting attorney secreted those documents from the grand jury.
[53:12.000 --> 53:14.000]  And if you use the U.S. mail to send them to them,
[53:14.000 --> 53:18.000]  then you call the postal inspectors
[53:18.000 --> 53:22.000]  and get them down there to talk to the grand jury
[53:22.000 --> 53:28.000]  about where that document went to.
[53:28.000 --> 53:30.000]  Does that sound like fun, Chris?
[53:30.000 --> 53:32.000]  Oh, yeah.
[53:32.000 --> 53:35.000]  This is about honing our skills.
[53:35.000 --> 53:37.000]  How many ways can you get after them?
[53:37.000 --> 53:42.000]  How much political pressure can you bring on them before they decide?
[53:42.000 --> 53:45.000]  This is not worth it.
[53:45.000 --> 53:48.000]  This got off our case.
[53:48.000 --> 53:52.000]  Randy, should we be concerned about that tone of voice that sounds like
[53:52.000 --> 53:58.000]  Chris might enjoy this and you might be creating a monster here?
[53:58.000 --> 53:59.000]  Well, that is a problem.
[53:59.000 --> 54:08.000]  You do have to be careful because this can get to be way too much fun.
[54:08.000 --> 54:11.000]  But it's a light thing to do.
[54:11.000 --> 54:18.000]  And if we do it not out of anger or avarice, but we do it for the purpose,
[54:18.000 --> 54:23.000]  for the right reason, for the purpose of making things better.
[54:23.000 --> 54:27.000]  Now, I live in this county, and I have really hammered them.
[54:27.000 --> 54:28.000]  They don't like me.
[54:28.000 --> 54:30.000]  They're afraid of me.
[54:30.000 --> 54:34.000]  But one thing they do is respect me.
[54:34.000 --> 54:39.000]  I had the chief of police in the county seat, Decatur, Texas.
[54:39.000 --> 54:43.000]  I saw him one day and he said, what were you doing in Wichita Falls?
[54:43.000 --> 54:45.000]  I said, you know about that?
[54:45.000 --> 54:46.000]  Oh, yeah.
[54:46.000 --> 54:48.000]  And I got a call from the chief of police.
[54:48.000 --> 54:51.000]  He wanted to know if you were crazy.
[54:51.000 --> 54:53.000]  I said, what did you tell him?
[54:53.000 --> 54:56.000]  Oh, yeah, he's crazy.
[54:56.000 --> 54:59.000]  But if he quotes a lot of you, pay attention.
[54:59.000 --> 55:02.000]  He does his homework.
[55:02.000 --> 55:04.000]  I'll take that.
[55:04.000 --> 55:07.000]  That works for me.
[55:07.000 --> 55:11.000]  So it's okay to be crazy.
[55:11.000 --> 55:15.000]  And it's okay to have fun with this.
[55:15.000 --> 55:20.000]  Your having fun with it makes it much worse for them.
[55:20.000 --> 55:24.000]  Okay, I'm going to stop preaching now.
[55:24.000 --> 55:29.000]  Okay, do you have anything else for us today?
[55:29.000 --> 55:30.000]  No, thanks a lot, Randy.
[55:30.000 --> 55:32.000]  I got a mission to accomplish.
[55:32.000 --> 55:33.000]  Thank you.
[55:33.000 --> 55:36.000]  Okay, keep us up to date.
[55:36.000 --> 55:44.000]  This is why we do this show, is to find guys like you and girls like Nancy.
[55:44.000 --> 55:46.000]  So keep up the good work.
[55:46.000 --> 55:50.000]  Okay, now we're going to go to Jack in Texas.
[55:50.000 --> 55:53.000]  Hello, Jack.
[55:53.000 --> 55:57.000]  What do you have for us today?
[55:57.000 --> 56:02.000]  Well, I have a few more questions to make a nuisance to myself.
[56:02.000 --> 56:15.000]  Of course, to the kings of justice, to the students, and fairness.
[56:15.000 --> 56:25.000]  Okay, so the first question I have is about finding out the qualifications of the police officer.
[56:25.000 --> 56:29.000]  I think Brett was the one that mentioned it.
[56:29.000 --> 56:32.000]  How do I go about doing that?
[56:32.000 --> 56:40.000]  Qualifications, you mean whether he has the authority to enforce transportation code, that kind of a thing?
[56:40.000 --> 56:44.000]  Yes, authority.
[56:44.000 --> 56:53.000]  Well, you might look in the Texas transportation code, there's 644.101,
[56:53.000 --> 56:59.000]  if it's a municipal organization that's got him hired, or if it is a county officer.
[56:59.000 --> 57:03.000]  You want to take a look at, I believe it's 701.
[57:03.000 --> 57:08.000]  701.001 through 003.
[57:08.000 --> 57:19.000]  It's important to consider that the administrative code that created the Department of Public Safety
[57:19.000 --> 57:27.000]  created that department for the purpose of enforcing the commercial transportation code.
[57:27.000 --> 57:36.000]  And in their enabling statutes, it says that the Department of Public Safety may not enforce the criminal laws
[57:36.000 --> 57:44.000]  except at the request of and under the direction of local law enforcement.
[57:44.000 --> 57:49.000]  They're not classified as peace officers, they're classified as police officers,
[57:49.000 --> 57:54.000]  and they are delegated authority to enforce this commercial code.
[57:54.000 --> 58:05.000]  The sheriff's department in certain circumstances can delegate sheriff's deputies to enforce transportation code.
[58:05.000 --> 58:20.000]  701.001 through 003 says that the county commissioner's court can appoint a sheriff's deputy as a traffic control officer.
[58:20.000 --> 58:25.000]  They must pay the deputy, and the deputy must ride a motorcycle.
[58:25.000 --> 58:35.000]  So they have delegated specific authority to that one entity under certain circumstances to enforce that code.
[58:35.000 --> 58:38.000]  They didn't delegate that authority to anyone else.
[58:38.000 --> 58:41.000]  We'll speak to that when we come back on the other side.
[58:41.000 --> 58:50.000]  Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Rule of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.000]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:10.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it.
[01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:17.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:27.000]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:32.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.000]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.000]  Imagine your mom and dad are getting ready for bed. They pull back the covers and find a third party there.
[01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.000]  He announces, I'm with the military and I'm sleeping here tonight.
[01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:01.000]  That shocking image of a third party in my parents' bed reminds me what the Third Amendment was designed to prevent.
[01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:07.000]  It protects us from being forced to share our homes with soldiers, a common demand in the days of our founding fathers.
[01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.000]  Third party, Third Amendment? Get it?
[01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:17.000]  So if you answer a knock at your door and guys in fatigues demand lodging, tell them to dust off their copy of the Bill of Rights and reread the Third Amendment.
[01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:31.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.000]  The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:40.000]  They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect. Our liberty depends on it.
[01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:47.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember one of your constitutional rights.
[01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:57.000]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.000]  So protect your rights. Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
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[01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.000]  Fourth Amendment? Four eyes staring at you? Get it?
[01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:35.000]  Unfortunately, the government is trampling our Fourth Amendment rights in the name of security.
[01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:40.000]  Case in point, TSA airport scanners that peer under your clothing.
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:47.000]  When government employees demand a peep at your privates without probable cause, I say it's time to sound the constitutional alarm bells.
[01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:54.000]  Join me in asking our representatives to dust off the Bill of Rights and use their googly eyes to take a gander at the Fourth.
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[01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:31.000]  Thank you very much.
[01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.000]  Randy Fountain, Little Guy Radio.
[01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:06.000]  On this Friday, the 29th day of April, 2022.
[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:10.000]  And we're talking to Jack in Texas.
[01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.000]  Jack, the troublemaker.
[01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.000]  Okay.
[01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.000]  Where were we, Jack?
[01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:24.000]  Okay. I have a couple more things.
[01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:31.000]  So I've got the subject matter challenge.
[01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  And I included the judicial notice, you know, that I know that they're supposed to prove that they have jurisdiction.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:53.000]  So I should not include a challenge to the officer's authority in there, right?
[01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:59.000]  I should just save that for later.
[01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:00.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.000]  Say the officer's authority?
[01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:09.000]  Do you have my subject matter jurisdiction?
[01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:14.000]  Yeah, subject matter jurisdiction challenge.
[01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  Is this the one that I wrote?
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:20.000]  No, I haven't gotten that one yet.
[01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.000]  Oh, okay.
[01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:27.000]  You called me today and sent me an email, and I didn't get that to you yet.
[01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.000]  I have a subject matter jurisdiction challenge.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:43.000]  And what it challenges is precisely this issue, that the officer who wrote the citation is not authorized to enforce the transportation code.
[01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:48.000]  There's a brief on that subject.
[01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:55.000]  Is that what you're addressing in subject matter jurisdiction?
[01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.000]  I haven't gotten to the officer yet.
[01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:06.000]  The subject matter jurisdiction is just based on the challenge, right?
[01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:18.000]  And then I put in a judicial notice with a bunch of citations saying that they have to prove that they have subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  Okay.
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:29.000]  Well, in order to get a good response, you need to assert why they don't have jurisdiction.
[01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:35.000]  Otherwise, they'll just come back and say they have jurisdiction like they did.
[01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  Nancy, who was it earlier, Brett, that we have jurisdiction because we say we do?
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.000]  Oh, yeah, that was really handy.
[01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.000]  I think that was what they told Hannah.
[01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.000]  That's right.
[01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:56.000]  You need to indicate why they don't have jurisdiction rather than just give a blank subject matter jurisdiction challenge.
[01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:05.000]  Technically, you can go into court and say I challenge your jurisdiction and they're required to prove it up.
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  But they can offer any proof they want to and the court will accept it.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:19.000]  You need to pre-argue the issues you expect them to bring.
[01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.000]  I see.
[01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:26.000]  Okay. Well, I'm having real trouble with that.
[01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:37.000]  That's one of the first things I went after is when the officer turned his lights on, what authority did he have to do that?
[01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:38.000]  What specific authority?
[01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:44.000]  What I was talking about earlier about the designation of authority.
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:55.000]  In the code, they indicated that they created the Department of Public Safety for the purpose of enforcing this code.
[01:07:55.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  Then they authorized sheriff's deputies under certain circumstances when they're appointed by the county commission's court to enforce this code.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  Where else is there designated authority to enforce this code?
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  As far as I know of, there's only one other place and that's 644.
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.000]  Is that it?
[01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.000]  We're at 614.
[01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.000]  Yes, it's 44.101.
[01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:47.000]  That where a municipal police officer can be certified to do DOT inspections, but it does not authorize the officer to enforce the transportation code generally, only to do DOT inspections.
[01:08:47.000 --> 01:09:03.000]  So since they have delegated certain duties, it can't be presumed that the municipal police officer or sheriff's deputy automatically has the right to enforce this commercial transportation code.
[01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:05.000]  Does that make sense, Jeff?
[01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.000]  Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
[01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  In that subject matter jurisdiction challenge, that's what I go to.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:24.000]  Where do you get authority to enforce this particular statutory scheme?
[01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  Now to get past that one, the next challenge is to the sufficiency of the complaint itself.
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:40.000]  There's always one question they don't ask that should be the first question they ask.
[01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.000]  Do you know what that is, Jack?
[01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.000]  Was I engaged in transportation?
[01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:50.000]  Exactly, you're the only one that got that.
[01:09:50.000 --> 01:10:03.000]  Are you transporting persons or property for hire that is necessary to bestow jurisdiction on the court?
[01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.000]  That's the second one I would bring.
[01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.000]  We don't want to get to the merits if we can avoid it.
[01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.000]  So those are the first two.
[01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  You got any more, Brett?
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.000]  No, I think that's great.
[01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:26.000]  Those are the two that helps us avoid the merits of the case.
[01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:31.000]  Because if it goes to the merits, the judge is always going to rule in favor of the policeman.
[01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.000]  Right.
[01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:38.000]  Okay, I'll end with the transportation because that's what Eddie had in his thing.
[01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  We'll have to switch that around.
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:46.000]  Okay, I will send that to you in the morning.
[01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  We probably won't tonight or it'll be too late.
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:54.000]  I may not still be conscious when the show's over.
[01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.000]  Okay.
[01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:00.000]  I did text you my email address, but I can give it to you.
[01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:01.000]  That's okay.
[01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.000]  You text it to me.
[01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  I'll find it in the morning.
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.000]  All right.
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  Hey, Jack, before you go, let me tell you.
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:17.000]  The Texas Administrative Code, you'll find something interesting over there about this.
[01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  It tells you about these references that we've just been talking about.
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:28.000]  It's Texas Administrative Code in Section 4.13 and 4.14.
[01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:35.000]  It talks about the authority to enforce the training and certificate requirements.
[01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:43.000]  It talks about the way that a municipal or a county can participate in that,
[01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:48.000]  certification requirements, and their eligibility to participate.
[01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  And they have to have a memorandum of understanding with the DPS for that.
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:12:02.000]  Yeah, that's the one where they do DOT inspections.
[01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.000]  Take a look at that.
[01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.000]  Yeah, it doesn't go to general enforcement.
[01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  All right, one more thing, now that Breton reminded me.
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:18.000]  So I was trying to do the hyperlinks, like you said, Randy, on this document,
[01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:26.000]  but I'm having trouble finding the case laws that I'm finding references to them,
[01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.000]  but I can't find the actual case online.
[01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.000]  Is there a secret to this?
[01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  No, I just put the case citation into Google and I generally find it.
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.000]  Well, all I'm finding is people who are referencing the case.
[01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  Well, click on one of those links.
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.000]  Case law and a number of them will have...
[01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.000]  Case text.
[01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.000]  Case text, yeah.
[01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.000]  Sometimes I can't find it in Google.
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.000]  It will refer me to case text to a case that cites it,
[01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:09.000]  but in there where it cites the case, that will be hyperlinked.
[01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  And I click on that and get to the case.
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.000]  Okay.
[01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  All right, let's see.
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:29.000]  One more, oh, what about maybe down the line a notice of liability?
[01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.000]  Tort letter.
[01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.000]  That would be a tort letter?
[01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:38.000]  Yeah, that's what a tort letter is.
[01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:47.000]  This being wrongfully, you're not in a contract with a governmental agency,
[01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:52.000]  so you wouldn't send them a notice of contractual violations.
[01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:55.000]  Those are causes of action.
[01:13:55.000 --> 01:14:01.000]  If you're not in contract with someone and they injure you, that's a tort.
[01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  Technically, these public officials are in contractual privity with us.
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.000]  They swore to their oath and they got paid as a result, so that creates a contract,
[01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:19.000]  and we are the third party beneficiaries of the contract.
[01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.000]  But that's nitpicking.
[01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:26.000]  All you have to do is say, you did this thing, you acted wrongfully,
[01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.000]  you harmed me in this amount, make me wholly be sued.
[01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:34.000]  That's basically a tort letter.
[01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:40.000]  I'd generally like to write the lawsuit and take the lawsuit heading off
[01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.000]  and put a business letter heading on it and take the prayer out,
[01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  put in make me wholly be sued as follows, and then you write your prayer
[01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.000]  and then do your business salutation.
[01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  When the lawyer looks at that, he'll know you're not kidding,
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.000]  and they're more likely to offer you a deal.
[01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  But even if they don't, you've got your lawsuit mostly written already.
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:08.000]  So when they don't respond, you just change the headings out,
[01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:14.000]  add whatever case law you need, and so on.
[01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.000]  Okay.
[01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  All right, well, that sounds good.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  I sure appreciate you guys.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.000]  Okay.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:21.000]  Thank you, Jack.
[01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.000]  Now we're going to go to Shane in New York.
[01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.000]  Hello, Shane.
[01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:31.000]  What do you have going on?
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.000]  Randy, I just got back from Cleveland, Ohio.
[01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.000]  Okay.
[01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.000]  What were you doing in Cleveland, Ohio?
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  Well, I went with my notary, and we went ahead and filed the...
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.000]  Actually, we dropped off the amended summons
[01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.000]  and complaints against KeyBank and all the officers.
[01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  I didn't have $2,700 to serve them through the sheriff's department,
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:03.000]  but I could afford $100, so I served the president of KeyBank,
[01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  which made a little bit over $11.2 billion last year.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.000]  Wait, hold on, hold on.
[01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  This doesn't sound happy.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.000]  Is this a federal case?
[01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.000]  This is a state case.
[01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.000]  I just filed a suit about three weeks ago.
[01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  What does the state law say about who can serve?
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:26.000]  Generally, it's a cross-test server
[01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:32.000]  or anyone not directly involved in the case.
[01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.000]  Exactly.
[01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.000]  Okay, you can't serve it, but you're notably correct.
[01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:37.000]  Correct, correct, correct.
[01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.000]  That's absolutely correct.
[01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  Okay, good.
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.000]  Hang on, we've got to go to our sponsors.
[01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:43.000]  Yes.
[01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.000]  We've got two segments and two callers,
[01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:48.000]  so I won't get out the calling numbers.
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.000]  We should be able to finish out with these.
[01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.000]  I don't know how long Wayne and Shane can be.
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[01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:32.000]  We are back.
[01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.000]  Brandy, Kelton, Brett, Fountain of the Royal Royal Radio.
[01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.000]  We're talking Shane in New York.
[01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:37.000]  Okay.
[01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:38.000]  You got them served?
[01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.000]  Yes.
[01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:45.000]  Brandy, I got everybody served.
[01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.000]  The Sheriff's Department, I believe, served them today.
[01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:57.000]  The president of KeyBank and all the other 25 officers was served through the notary.
[01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:02.000]  And those affidavit of services have been completed and filled out,
[01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:07.000]  and they have been sent directly in the mail to the actions and personnel.
[01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  To the actions and proceedings here in Erie County, New York.
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:16.000]  So the fat's in the fire.
[01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:17.000]  That's correct, Brandy.
[01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:24.000]  So the only question I have for you is I got wind that the judge at the...
[01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.000]  Okay.
[01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:26.000]  Okay.
[01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.000]  I had wind, but it's better now.
[01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:38.000]  Go ahead.
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:42.000]  Are you dumbfounded, Shane?
[01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.000]  Well, I'm not really sure how this whole thing is going to pan out,
[01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:52.000]  but I do know that the clerk told me that the county judge is flipping out right now.
[01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:54.000]  Good.
[01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:55.000]  Yeah.
[01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.000]  But I want to let you know that I did drive all the way down to Cleveland,
[01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.000]  three and a half hours, three and a half hours, a seven-hour drive round trip.
[01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.000]  And I took it directly to the corporate office.
[01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.000]  The notary did everything.
[01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:11.000]  I just basically provided transportation.
[01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.000]  I wonder.
[01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:19.000]  But what I did, Randy, the CEO, the president of KeyBank,
[01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.000]  was served through the sheriff's department,
[01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:25.000]  so therefore the sheriffs are aware of the case.
[01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:28.000]  Okay.
[01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  That's good.
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.000]  What did you sue for?
[01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:36.000]  Wrongful foreclosure actions.
[01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.000]  The actual amended complaint is absolutely incredible.
[01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.000]  It really is fantastic.
[01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:46.000]  I know you've seen some of the work that I've done before, but it's great.
[01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:48.000]  It's great.
[01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:52.000]  Here's a question I have for you real quick before you go to the next caller.
[01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.000]  The attorney emailed me and asked me to sign a consent form
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:01.000]  to extend the time to answer this until June 1st.
[01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:04.000]  Absolutely not.
[01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:09.000]  Okay.
[01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:17.000]  And she also wanted to respond for all the officers for KeyBank with one attorney.
[01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.000]  I don't think you have anything to say about that.
[01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  Yeah, so I'm not going to respond to that.
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.000]  Yeah, she doesn't need your permission.
[01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  They can all hire one attorney.
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:30.000]  That's up to them.
[01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.000]  Yeah, so I'm not going to respond to that.
[01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:38.000]  I do have a small claims hearing on Wednesday that was filed almost four years ago.
[01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  It was postponed because of COVID,
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:43.000]  and that is the small claims against the referee for moving forward
[01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:48.000]  with no standing or jurisdiction and forged documents.
[01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:54.000]  So I'm going to be in court at the small claims court in Buffalo, New York for that.
[01:23:54.000 --> 01:24:00.000]  You may extract some information that you can manage to go to a legal court.
[01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:04.000]  Well, yeah, yeah, I don't want to lay too much out here on the phone.
[01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:09.000]  But one thing I will tell you, and I'm not sure if I'm crossing the line here,
[01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:15.000]  I believe that we know for a fact that the county judge
[01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.000]  put my picture up as a threat in the courthouse.
[01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:23.000]  So when I walk through security, these guys have a book of people, I'm one of them.
[01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:25.000]  And I wasn't supposed to know about this.
[01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.000]  I'm not very nice from North Carolina.
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:36.000]  And a friend of mine's stepson or son-in-law was a sheriff on the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department,
[01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:39.000]  and he got the grand jury duty.
[01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:46.000]  And I asked Jim, what's Randy Kelton's picture doing hanging up in the grand jury room with a note that says,
[01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:50.000]  if you see this man, call security.
[01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:53.000]  I was honored.
[01:24:53.000 --> 01:25:00.000]  So Randy, I should not act on that and just leave that alone?
[01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.000]  I would leave that alone.
[01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.000]  Yeah, right.
[01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:07.000]  Well, one of the security guards, I had my dad come in behind me.
[01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.000]  They were all laughing and chuckling, the security guards.
[01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.000]  And they go, oh, look at that.
[01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:12.000]  That's my twin brother right there.
[01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:14.000]  That's, I guess, one of the security guards.
[01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:16.000]  This looks exactly like me, I guess.
[01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:18.000]  And they were just laughing about it.
[01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:21.000]  And one of the supervisors, well, keep an eye on them.
[01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:26.000]  So every time I walk in the courthouse, they're keeping an eye on me, Randy.
[01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:30.000]  Yeah, I get that a lot.
[01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:31.000]  Okay.
[01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:36.000]  You give them something to watch.
[01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:37.000]  That's it, Randy.
[01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:38.000]  I just want to keep you updated.
[01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.000]  But, boy, it was, this is not an easy process.
[01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:43.000]  But I'm officially the plaintiff now.
[01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.000]  So we'll see what takes place.
[01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.000]  Wonderful.
[01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.000]  Okay.
[01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:48.000]  Keep us up to date.
[01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.000]  Okay.
[01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.000]  Now we're going to go to what appears to be a first-time caller.
[01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:58.000]  If you are from the 559 area code, talk to us.
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.000]  Hi.
[01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:01.000]  Good afternoon.
[01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:02.000]  Actually, good afternoon.
[01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:07.000]  Give us a first name and a state.
[01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.000]  My name is Johnny, and I'm from California.
[01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:12.000]  Okay.
[01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:16.000]  What do you have for us today?
[01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:23.000]  Well, I was actually referred to the channel.
[01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:35.000]  And I'm dealing with a situation that started with CPS and has led to criminal charges.
[01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:36.000]  I don't know how...
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:42.000]  Charges against you or against someone with CPS?
[01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:55.000]  In a nutshell, basically, CPS became involved in my case based off of I was on vacation
[01:26:55.000 --> 01:27:04.000]  with my wife and my three children, and our 10-month-year-old woke up one morning,
[01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:12.000]  Lafarge it, so mom wanted to take him to the hospital, and we go to the emergency room,
[01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.000]  and he is...
[01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:19.000]  They run a panel of tests on him, and he has a low glucose level.
[01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:20.000]  So they give him...
[01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:26.000]  They administer him a sugar shot, and because we were in the setting of an emergency room
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:30.000]  setting, they wanted to transfer him to a children's hospital.
[01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:39.000]  So when he's transferred to the children's hospital, CPS, after questioning us about
[01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:50.000]  his lifestyle, his nutrition, and what happened leading up to, CPS came in and basically
[01:27:50.000 --> 01:28:02.000]  detained him off of the fact that they believed that he was malnourished, and that led to
[01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:12.000]  them detaining him at the hospital, which dragged us into a juvenile court proceeding,
[01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:18.000]  and then a couple weeks after that, after we were forced attorneys and dragged through
[01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:24.000]  a jurisdictional hearing, and just going through that process in the juvenile court, criminal
[01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:37.000]  charges were filed on me and the mother for, in California, 273APC, which is willful child
[01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.000]  abuse and neglect.
[01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:49.000]  And basically, at that point, we were arrested during a visit, and the first question that
[01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:53.000]  I had asked the officer, I said, well, could you provide the warrant that you're here to
[01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:54.000]  arrest us?
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:56.000]  And he said, well, I don't need a warrant.
[01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:59.000]  There's probable cause.
[01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:07.000]  And so at that time, I really didn't have any prior knowledge or information about how
[01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:15.000]  to conduct myself dealing with state actors and, you know, even agencies and the police
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  officers and whatnot.
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.000]  So we were dragged through the whole proceeding.
[01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:22.000]  Okay.
[01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.000]  I understand there's more to this, didn't there?
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:29.000]  Did they, have they taken other of your children?
[01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:36.000]  Well, they detained and took the infant who was 10 months of time.
[01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:46.000]  And then CPS had contacted my other children's mother, and they all told them that if they
[01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:52.000]  didn't take away visitations from me, that they were going to take them, too.
[01:29:52.000 --> 01:30:01.000]  So on one incident with CPS, I lost all visitations of my kids.
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[01:33:32.000 --> 01:34:01.000]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton Betts, out in Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to
[01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:02.000]  John Yee in California.
[01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:03.000]  John Yee in California, okay.
[01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:04.000]  Hello, John.
[01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:05.000]  Okay.
[01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:06.000]  You said that maybe it was low sugar.
[01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:07.000]  I've never heard of an infant that's that bad of diabetes.
[01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  Does diabetes run in your family?
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:29.000]  Diabetes does run in my family, but what became a logical diagnosis at a later time, because
[01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:37.700]  what ended up happening was we were dragged through a criminal proceeding as well, and
[01:34:37.700 --> 01:34:40.000]  I just finished a criminal trial in February.
[01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:44.000]  And what was the ruling on that?
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.000]  Well, it was a hung jury.
[01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:54.000]  They deadlocked at 6-6, and they declared it a mistrial.
[01:34:54.000 --> 01:35:00.000]  So I'm due for a retrial that's scheduled for May 26.
[01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.000]  What specifically were you charged with?
[01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:11.000]  We were charged with a felony for child neglect.
[01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:20.000]  That was the charge with enhancement attached to that.
[01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:25.000]  So after the first trial, I didn't have...
[01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:34.000]  Again, I was guided by the grace of God, to be honest, but I since then have educated
[01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:41.000]  myself to the jurisdictionary course and have been doing what's necessary and following
[01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:47.000]  proper procedure and rules of evidence and the rules of court, preparing myself for this
[01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:53.000]  next trial, and I was able to get a second opinion, which I wasn't able to do that the
[01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:54.000]  first trial.
[01:35:54.000 --> 01:36:01.000]  And the second opinion was that he suffered from a positional asphyxiation, which basically
[01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:07.000]  means that he suffocated, which led to all the symptoms that he was experiencing.
[01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:13.000]  But in the trial, and what we're charged for was they tried to base the diagnosis off of
[01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:22.000]  the fact that we practiced a plant-based lifestyle, and that kind of had been their...
[01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:25.000]  Just vegetarian or vegan?
[01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:26.000]  Vegan.
[01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:27.000]  Yeah.
[01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:30.000]  What does plant-based lifestyle mean?
[01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  Vegetarian.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:37.000]  It sounds like when he says lifestyle, I'm thinking maybe it's more than just diet.
[01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:46.000]  Well, I mean, the terminology that's probably more common is a vegan.
[01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:47.000]  I just...
[01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:55.000]  Because my background as a nutritionist in detoxification, kind of, you know, this wasn't
[01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:56.000]  just...
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:07.000]  When you're involved with CPS, the CPS always tries to make the worst out of the parent,
[01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:12.000]  and that's kind of what they did, and that's kind of the narrative that they created from
[01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:13.000]  the beginning.
[01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:20.000]  So we never really got an opportunity to go on the offensive because we were being attacked
[01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.000]  from the very beginning.
[01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  But this whole situation has just been a huge learning curve in regards to understanding
[01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:42.000]  the due process, and at this point, I've kind of just been reaching out to individuals,
[01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:49.000]  just getting different inputs and outtakes on what's occurring.
[01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:52.000]  So I don't...
[01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000]  I haven't heard anything.
[01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.000]  Go ahead.
[01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:58.000]  Okay.
[01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:02.000]  So you were tried, a non-jury.
[01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  What's the disposition of your children now?
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:16.000]  Well, this was all pertaining to just Art Vincent, who was 10 months at the time, and
[01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:24.000]  through the juvenile proceedings, they've already gone through the whole trial and have
[01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:29.000]  terminated our parental rights prior to us being convicted of a crime.
[01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  Whoa.
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.000]  How is that possible?
[01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:38.000]  Before there's been a final outcome to the case, just terminate your rights based on
[01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.000]  what?
[01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:42.000]  It's been a mess.
[01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:51.000]  In fact, the trial judge in the juvenile proceeding allowed hearsay evidence to be admitted, and
[01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:58.000]  that's basically what they used, along with the preponderance of the evidence, which they
[01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:07.000]  forced attorneys onto us, which would not allow us to create a record in court.
[01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:12.000]  I saw it tooth and nail.
[01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.000]  I went through four or five different attorneys, but at the end of the day, they just wouldn't
[01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:20.000]  allow us to handle our own affairs.
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.000]  They kept forcing attorneys onto us.
[01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:26.000]  How did they force attorneys on you?
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:32.000]  Well, from the beginning, we had said and requested that...
[01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:34.000]  We didn't even request it.
[01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:36.000]  We just said, well, we don't want attorneys.
[01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  Then they said, well, can you afford an attorney?
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.000]  I said, well, yeah, we can afford an attorney, but we don't want to have attorneys in this
[01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:44.000]  matter.
[01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.000]  We want to handle our own affairs.
[01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:50.000]  The judge ruled that, in the juvenile court, that that wasn't going to happen.
[01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  He forced an attorney onto us, and then...
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:59.000]  Are there rules for juvenile courts that require attorneys?
[01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:03.000]  No, there isn't.
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:06.000]  Have you appealed...
[01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:13.000]  That should have got an introductory appeal.
[01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:32.000]  Well, we got sidebarred on that, because the first counsel that we had, after the parental
[01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:39.000]  termination rights were conducted, we had 30 days to schedule an appeal.
[01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:49.000]  On the 29th day, Mother's attorney said, well, we don't have the grounds to go to an appeal,
[01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:52.000]  so they didn't file an appeal on her behalf.
[01:40:52.000 --> 01:41:00.000]  Then the Sunday after the 30th day, I received a FedEx package with all of our transcripts
[01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  and reports in a big box and a note that said, sorry, but I'm not going to file an appeal
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:08.000]  from the fourth counsel.
[01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:15.000]  I never heard from them again.
[01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.000]  That leads us now to just where we're at.
[01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:27.000]  Now we've already gone through one trial and preparing for a second trial, which I still
[01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:35.000]  don't really know how that is, but California has a statute that states that on a mistrial
[01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:40.000]  that the prosecution has an opportunity to retry the case, which they are.
[01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:53.000]  They fired the previous prosecutor and brought in their aid team.
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:57.000]  Okay, I've gotten kind of where you're at.
[01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:00.000]  What is your question for us?
[01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:13.000]  My question is, when dealing with CPS, and to me it's been apparent that CPS has some
[01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:24.000]  form of, this agency, it's not really overlooked, that there is no way, shape, or form, any
[01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:33.000]  form of value towards natural rights, constitutional rights, and in fact...
[01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:37.000]  Okay, wait, wait, wait.
[01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:40.000]  You're not asking us anything.
[01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.000]  You're just giving us a dialogue.
[01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:49.000]  Yeah, well, the question is pertaining to them, where how can I hold them accountable?
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:57.000]  How can we proceed in this case where we've already lost the parental rights in the CPS
[01:42:57.000 --> 01:42:58.000]  matter?
[01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:04.000]  What are some steps and measures that we can put, go on the offensive to make right is
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  wrong?
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:14.000]  Unfortunately, that's far too general a question for us to be able to answer without more definitive
[01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:22.000]  information concerning what the issues are that were adjudicated, which ones were not
[01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:23.000]  adjudicated.
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:27.000]  We need to understand more about what's before the court.
[01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.000]  I wouldn't have any idea what to say.
[01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:35.000]  And date on those things when they were adjudicated.
[01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.000]  I probably made a good timeline.
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:41.000]  Hang on, we'll speak to that on the other side.
[01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  Miranda Kelton, Brett Fountain, via the radio.
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[01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:34.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:39.000]  Brenda Kelton, Brett Stoughton, we have our radio.
[01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:46.000]  Let me start with California.
[01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:52.000]  They always tell me their county is the most corrupt county in the nation.
[01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  I used to think that Williamson County, Texas, was the most corrupt county in the nation,
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.000]  but everybody thinks that.
[01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:08.000]  But when it comes to California, I think that really is the most corrupt state in the area.
[01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:18.000]  And with that said, they've taken one child and blocked you from visiting the other two.
[01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:24.000]  This is way too complex for us to address just directly on the air.
[01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:29.000]  Have you written up a timeline of events?
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:33.000]  Yes, I do have everything documented.
[01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  No, no, not documented, but a timeline.
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:41.000]  This happened, and this happened, and this happened.
[01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:48.000]  Just like one specific document that ties all of that into chronology.
[01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.000]  Yeah, thank you.
[01:47:50.000 --> 01:48:07.000]  Okay, email that to me, randy at ruleoflawradio.com, and I will look at it and email you back a response.
[01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:08.000]  All right, sounds great.
[01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  I appreciate that.
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.000]  Randy at ruleoflaw.com.
[01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:14.000]  Okay, hang on, John.
[01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  We've got a caller that wants to talk to you.
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:24.000]  Ed in Georgia, you wanted to talk to John.
[01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  Yes, sir.
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:31.000]  Actually, I've been listening to your call, and I just want to say I appreciate you talking to John.
[01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:33.000]  I've been trying to help him from Georgia.
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:35.000]  John left out some things.
[01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:43.000]  He actually went through five threats with these attorneys, and I got with him when he was on his...
[01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.000]  Sorry, five what?
[01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:48.000]  Ferretta hearings.
[01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:52.000]  In other words, he said, I'm not getting effective assistance to counsel.
[01:48:52.000 --> 01:49:06.000]  They did a ferretta hearing, and then they would take the attorney away for the cause that Johnny's shown, and then they would put another attorney on him right away.
[01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:19.000]  Another thing I didn't know about these family courts, which in my estimation, even though I don't live in California, they're stealing children for profit in California is what they're actually doing.
[01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:22.000]  That's my thought on the matter.
[01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:24.000]  And so these...
[01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:27.000]  Well, Georgia was famous for that too.
[01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:30.000]  Who?
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:31.000]  I'm sorry?
[01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:32.000]  And Georgia.
[01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:34.000]  Georgia was famous for that too.
[01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:41.000]  Well, I'm fighting it here as well.
[01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:52.000]  But he was on his third attorney by the time I got to him, and he kept asking, well, how are you getting around Article 1, Section 16?
[01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.000]  I mean, I know how they're doing it.
[01:49:54.000 --> 01:50:02.000]  It's private international law that they're using under the USFAA and the UCCJEA.
[01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:04.000]  No, no, no, don't go there.
[01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:06.000]  This is not commercial law.
[01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:10.000]  They're using the family code in California.
[01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:13.000]  Which is JEA.
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:19.000]  Yeah, which is governed by the Uniform Child custody Jurisdiction Enforcement Act.
[01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:22.000]  No, it is not.
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:25.000]  This commercial code, it does not apply here.
[01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:32.000]  In the last 15 years, I've had people trying to force the commercial code into everything.
[01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.000]  He's not saying UCC.
[01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:36.000]  He's saying it's called Uniform...
[01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:45.000]  This is back to the thing about we don't want acronyms, but this is the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction and Enforcement Act.
[01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:52.000]  It's this thing that they try to impose to say why somebody has jurisdiction.
[01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.000]  It's not just UCC.
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:56.000]  Okay, my bad.
[01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:59.000]  I hate acronyms.
[01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  That's okay.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:02.000]  Gets us all tripped up.
[01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:08.000]  And just so you know, USFAA is a Uniform Interstate Family Support Act.
[01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  These acts being governed by the Hague Treaty or the Hague Convention, private international law, are being introduced.
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  And I'll tell you fellow something, I can't find an up-and-down vote in California for either one of those acts.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:24.000]  But I know where they're coming from.
[01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:28.000]  They're coming from the Uniform Law Commission in Chicago, Illinois.
[01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:31.000]  Also, these acts are copyrighted.
[01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:34.000]  And Johnny doesn't have copyright.
[01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:37.000]  No, you cannot copyright law, period.
[01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:38.000]  We've got case law on that.
[01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:44.000]  You know, I can show you the act, and on the first page at the bottom, it says copyright.
[01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:48.000]  That doesn't matter, you see, when it's law.
[01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:53.000]  If it's sharing a copyright, it's an unenforceable copyright.
[01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:55.000]  Or it's not a law.
[01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:57.000]  Right, or it's not a law.
[01:51:57.000 --> 01:51:59.000]  That's absolutely right.
[01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:03.000]  Because I can't find an up-and-down vote by the legislature.
[01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  The use of that, the code should give a subject matter of jurisdiction challenge.
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.000]  And it did.
[01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.000]  We did the challenge to the AG.
[01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.000]  But again, as Johnny told you, he couldn't get anything into the record.
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:18.000]  No, no, no.
[01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:20.000]  You do it in the court.
[01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:29.000]  You file in the court and claim that the code they're using is not valid code, that the code is void.
[01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.000]  And they're going to say, oh, no, it's not void.
[01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:35.000]  And then you run that through the appeals process.
[01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:37.000]  Which is where he's at right now.
[01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.000]  But I guarantee you, none of these issues are going to get challenged
[01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.000]  because he has to have an attorney to go through the appeals process.
[01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:52.000]  I would probably drop over dead if I ever saw an attorney challenge jurisdiction right out of the gate.
[01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  I tend to agree with you.
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:55.000]  You're not going to do that, Judge.
[01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.000]  The attorney's not going to do anything to annoy the judge.
[01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:00.000]  Right.
[01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:01.000]  We have a way of fixing that.
[01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:02.000]  He's had three attorneys.
[01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  Has he sued the first two for ineffective assistance to counsel?
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  Has he bar-graved any of them?
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.000]  And bar-graved them till the cows come home?
[01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:18.000]  He's done a bar grievance, and we've received probably no less than five form letters
[01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:24.000]  from the California Bar Association saying that he has no merit to his case.
[01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  I've had to go to hundreds of those.
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:33.000]  Because I'm not an attorney, but I'd like to know how they're getting around Article 1, Section 16 of the California Constitution.
[01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:35.000]  You're in California.
[01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:38.000]  We have a right to a trial by jury in India.
[01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:40.000]  That right shall remain in violation.
[01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.000]  Stop, stop, stop.
[01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:46.000]  You're operating on a false presumption.
[01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:47.000]  Okay.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:48.000]  This is California.
[01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  You're presuming that they care squat about law in California.
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.000]  Well, I know that they don't.
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:02.000]  They absolutely do not.
[01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:08.000]  Everybody used to call me and say my county is the most corrupt county in the nation.
[01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:11.000]  Well, you know, I tell them everybody says that.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:19.000]  But now, after dealing with California, I think California is by far the most corrupt state in the world.
[01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:24.000]  It seems like they're not even putting on, you know, the facade of pretending like they care about it.
[01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.000]  They just do what they want.
[01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:28.000]  And then they hide it.
[01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:34.000]  Then they hide the record saying that it's a private affair.
[01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:35.000]  You know, because...
[01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:36.000]  Okay.
[01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:37.000]  We can't do that.
[01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:42.000]  You're throwing stuff in there with no support.
[01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:46.000]  And we're reluctant to that.
[01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:50.000]  I have a rule, never make a proactive statement of law out of your own mouth.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:52.000]  Give us some support for that.
[01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:55.000]  Don't just say this is happening.
[01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:00.000]  Now, I ran into a lot of these legal reform guys and like Jim Keating.
[01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.000]  I go to his site.
[01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:05.000]  I start going through his references to case law.
[01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.000]  And he's making these determinations based on this case law.
[01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:10.000]  And I go look up the case law.
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  And none of them had anything to do with what he was saying.
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:18.000]  So he's making a statement, making a determination based on the statement.
[01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:21.000]  The statement may or may not be accurate.
[01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:26.000]  So we wind up in this quagmire.
[01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:28.000]  Support what you're telling us.
[01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.000]  Give us something to back it up.
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:31.000]  Okay.
[01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:36.000]  Well, in every Florida hearing, just for instance, as you mentioned case law,
[01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:40.000]  Johnny challenged jurisdiction and he challenged the fact that his attorney
[01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.000]  wouldn't challenge jurisdiction.
[01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:46.000]  In the case law he quoted was McNutt versus General Motors Acceptance Corporation
[01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:52.000]  from 1936, which states, and I quote, the asserter, once challenged,
[01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:57.000]  the asserter must prove jurisdiction on the record.
[01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:00.000]  Yeah, I'm saying it's not.
[01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  But this is California.
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.000]  They don't care.
[01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:05.000]  I know.
[01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:13.000]  Ted, they've had him in court for seven years over a felony allegation
[01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:15.000]  that's not a crime.
[01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:20.000]  Yeah, it's not even a crime, even if it were true.
[01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:25.000]  So we have to find another way of dealing with this.
[01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:30.000]  Well, I tell you what, when you're not allowed to put anything into the record
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  from the defensive side of the ball, but they can put hearsay into the record
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:39.000]  and the judge allows hearsay evidence in these family courts.
[01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:43.000]  Find a way to get this in the Fed.
[01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.000]  I'm sorry?
[01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:48.000]  Find a way to get this into the Fed.
[01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  To take it out of their scope.
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:55.000]  Yes, yes.
[01:56:55.000 --> 01:57:00.000]  Well, what do you fellows suggest, a Civil 44 cover sheet?
[01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:04.000]  Don't know enough about the case to be able to suggest how we could get to the Fed.
[01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:08.000]  I'm sure there's plenty of federal due process violations,
[01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:15.000]  but we don't have enough information on it to be able to say specifically which one.
[01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:18.000]  So far about the case, we've got general conclusions about it,
[01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:22.000]  but we don't have anything specific enough.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:27.000]  I hate to give recommendations when I don't have enough knowledge
[01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:31.000]  to be comfortable with what I'm addressing.
[01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:33.000]  Sure, and I'm not asking you to.
[01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:40.000]  I guess my question is more of a general nature of I cannot possibly fathom
[01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  how they're getting away with doing this to loving parents
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:51.000]  and taking their children when they're all supposed to be fiduciaries to the parents.
[01:57:51.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  Do you know in these foreign acts there's not even a legal definition for the word parent?
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:05.000]  Okay, then if there's no definition in the code,
[01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:10.000]  then you use the websters, the general common definition.
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:13.000]  No definition in the code, there's no definition in the act.
[01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:15.000]  There's a definition.
[01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:16.000]  That doesn't need to be.
[01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:19.000]  The parent is very specific.
[01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  If it's not in the code, then you use the general definition,
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:29.000]  and the general definition is biological persons who propagated the child.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:35.000]  That's not something that would be confusing to be in conflict.
[01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:38.000]  Essentially, the distinction's a little different.
[01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.000]  I'm sorry, we are out of time.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:42.000]  We've got ten seconds.
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