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[00:45.960 --> 00:52.680] In history the year 1916 the preparedness day bombing a time suitcase bomb was detonated on
[00:52.680 --> 00:58.680] Market Street in San Francisco during the World War I preparedness day parade killing 10 and entering
[00:58.680 --> 01:09.080] 40 today in history. In recent news since Governor Greg Abbott signed House Bill 1325 legalizing
[01:09.080 --> 01:13.720] heaven attacks his law back in June county prosecutors around the state including Houston,
[01:13.720 --> 01:18.120] Austin, San Antonio have been dropping marijuana possession charges and even refusing to file
[01:18.120 --> 01:22.840] new ones since they are stipulating that they do not have the time or the laboratory equipment to
[01:22.840 --> 01:28.040] test the herb for THC. Margaret Moore the Travis County District Attorney announced earlier this
[01:28.040 --> 01:32.440] month that she was dismissing 32 felony possession and delivery of marijuana cases
[01:32.440 --> 01:37.080] because of the law. Mr. Abbott and other state officials including the Attorney General stipulated
[01:37.080 --> 01:42.120] in a letter to county district attorneys back on Thursday that marijuana has not been decriminalized
[01:42.120 --> 01:48.360] in Texas and that these actions demonstrate a misunderstanding of how HB 1325 works as well
[01:48.360 --> 01:54.920] as other cities too like the district attorney in El Paso, Kyma Esparza a Democrat who also
[01:54.920 --> 01:59.640] stated earlier this month that the law quote will not have an effect on the prosecution
[01:59.640 --> 02:05.080] of marijuana cases in El Paso. However the issue was succinctly summarized by Mr. Brandon Ball
[02:05.080 --> 02:10.200] an assistant public defender in Harris County who stated that quote the law is constantly changing
[02:10.200 --> 02:14.520] on what makes something illegal based on its chemical makeup it's important that if someone
[02:14.520 --> 02:24.120] is charged with something the test matches what they're charged with. A paper by Tulane University
[02:24.120 --> 02:28.920] identified a five and a half inch American pocket shark as the first of its kind in the
[02:28.920 --> 02:34.680] Gulf of Mexico the specimen being only the second pocket shark ever captured or recorded
[02:34.680 --> 02:39.640] with the other one being found way back in 1979 in the East Pacific Ocean. According to the
[02:39.640 --> 02:45.800] university paper the shark secretes a luminous fluid from a gland near its front fins for the
[02:45.800 --> 02:54.600] purposes hypothesized to lure and prey who may be drawn into the glow. This was Roof Roadie with
[02:54.600 --> 03:23.720] your lowdown for July 22, 2019. Well I received my remedy today came in a box just like the
[03:23.720 --> 03:34.440] day I accepted it for fire right away. It's not too late or not later. We are originators
[03:34.440 --> 03:43.080] and the highway seems to get straighter every day and I can take anything that belongs to me
[03:43.080 --> 04:03.000] and put it to good use. I know some architects. I know some engineers. They see the evidence.
[04:04.840 --> 04:12.680] They know a certain team's queen. The white shark was a blatant deception. What is the nature
[04:12.680 --> 04:20.280] of what you might gain? I see something headed straight for you. I think it looks just like a
[04:20.280 --> 04:31.160] train. It smells like a sham or something. I can see him playing fast and loose. What I was good
[04:31.160 --> 04:45.800] for Alexander. Okay we are back. Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Roof Road Radio and we're talking
[04:45.800 --> 04:55.320] to Josh in Pennsylvania. Okay Josh back to you found the mandamus and your mandamus was in order to
[04:55.320 --> 05:02.520] get the judge to do something. What was it a lost track of that in all this conversation? It was to
[05:02.520 --> 05:09.400] get him to just rule my motions and two of them were disposatory as you put. There was a subject
[05:09.400 --> 05:17.080] matter jurisdiction and then the other motion to dismiss was. The subject matter jurisdiction is the
[05:17.080 --> 05:26.280] biggie. Okay I have a question. Josh why did you file a petition for rid of mandamus with
[05:26.280 --> 05:33.160] the higher court? Why did you not just file an appeal? I mean I guess you couldn't have
[05:33.160 --> 05:38.680] filed an appeal because are you saying the district court or the lower court had not
[05:38.680 --> 05:45.960] made a ruling yet and you were just trying to move the case along? Yeah for a couple of reasons
[05:45.960 --> 05:54.040] I agreed with Randy's ideas on it because this area has a history and they've done it to me
[05:54.040 --> 06:00.840] where I beat them up with paperwork and then they just ignore it and it sits on my record
[06:01.560 --> 06:05.960] as a case that is pending and never goes away. I have a feeling that that's what they're going to
[06:05.960 --> 06:11.080] try this time. Was this a case against you or were you filed? Yes it was a criminal matter
[06:11.080 --> 06:18.360] you know a DUI and they already offered me a plea of like a stupid fine only
[06:18.360 --> 06:27.000] summary and I returned it down and instead of dealing with it they postponed everything three
[06:27.000 --> 06:31.720] months so instead of waiting for the three months to come and for them to do something else
[06:31.720 --> 06:37.960] stupid I tried to get ahead of it with the mandamus to put pressure on them and it obviously put
[06:37.960 --> 06:43.800] pressure on them because the judge who wrote the order for the continuance recused themselves
[06:43.800 --> 06:48.440] so I mean I got their attention they definitely don't want to deal with me but I'm looking for the
[06:48.440 --> 06:57.480] next step and okay Debra you need to understand Josh was charged with DUI because he felt like he
[06:58.040 --> 07:00.520] wasn't fit to drive so he went to sleep in his car
[07:00.520 --> 07:12.360] and they woke him up and charged him with DUI. He was parked asleep and like anyway got it.
[07:12.360 --> 07:19.160] Yeah so it was an outrageous case and they they've tried to pursue it anyway and they
[07:19.160 --> 07:24.360] wound up with someone who would fight them back and now they're kind of stuck. Okay well I have a
[07:24.360 --> 07:33.880] question was I've seen this kind of thing in Texas too where certain municipalities pass
[07:33.880 --> 07:43.080] ordinances that you can't sleep in your car and stuff like that and so one question I have is
[07:43.720 --> 07:52.120] was this a city ordinance violation charge or was this a charge that you violated the state
[07:52.120 --> 07:57.320] penal code or the state transportation code or something like that. It was a transportation
[07:57.320 --> 08:03.080] code offense. Okay so this is in state statute of Pennsylvania that you can't sleep in your car.
[08:03.800 --> 08:15.720] No they charged him with DUI. He was while intoxicated. Yeah well he didn't feel comfortable
[08:15.720 --> 08:22.360] driving so he got in the car didn't have a key and ignition went to sleep to sleep it off which
[08:22.360 --> 08:27.880] was responsible. Yes okay that's responsible. So they charged him for DUI for doing what was
[08:27.880 --> 08:33.320] responsible. It all gets down to if you're going to argue the merits of the case actual physical
[08:33.320 --> 08:38.760] control and according to the Supreme Court they've already ruled on cases like mine in my favor.
[08:38.760 --> 08:44.280] It's known case law it's been up and down the Supreme Court multiple times and refined that
[08:44.280 --> 08:51.640] the totality of the circumstances I clearly fit in it's not guilty it doesn't apply.
[08:52.280 --> 08:56.200] So now they're trying to do some song and dance and tried to wear him down.
[08:56.200 --> 09:03.000] Okay but wait without getting into the merits of the case we're talking about procedure here
[09:03.880 --> 09:07.400] okay just just strictly talking about procedure.
[09:07.400 --> 09:14.840] I'm not familiar with the Pennsylvania civil or criminal rules of procedure
[09:15.400 --> 09:22.760] but here in Texas if you're charged with something or indicted if there's not something
[09:22.760 --> 09:32.120] apparently obvious that would give us standing you know grounds to file a writ for petition of
[09:32.120 --> 09:41.400] habeas corpus hey you just got to sit there and wait for your trial and after the trial if you
[09:41.400 --> 09:48.520] want to appeal well you may you may sit in jail for a while waiting on your appeal and and to
[09:49.720 --> 09:55.240] let me finish. You're missing something. No I'm not I'm talking about procedure to file a petition
[09:55.240 --> 10:05.400] for mandamus just because you want to move along the case of your defense. He filed a habeas I mean
[10:05.400 --> 10:12.120] a subject matter jurisdiction challenge. Okay okay well then I didn't get that I thought he I
[10:12.120 --> 10:18.040] thought Josh was saying that he filed a petition for writ of mandamus because he was trying to move
[10:18.040 --> 10:24.600] his defense along. No he he filed that because they would not rule on his subject matter jurisdiction
[10:24.600 --> 10:33.080] challenge. Too bad. Do you have to wait for them to rule? No subject matter jurisdiction is is is
[10:33.080 --> 10:39.240] of course the term. It's a pressure issue. It's a threshold. If he gets a ruling in his favor the
[10:39.240 --> 10:47.400] case is gone and that makes it right for mandamus. Okay well then then if you're going to go there
[10:47.400 --> 10:53.720] Randy whatever state or in the feds you better have the case law on your side to back up your
[10:53.720 --> 11:01.640] mandamus for a specific time frame that if the lower court does not rule on your petition for
[11:02.200 --> 11:10.120] habeas within a certain length of time because I know mandamus but because the subject matter
[11:10.120 --> 11:17.240] jurisdiction is connected to the mandamus it's kind of falls under the habeas. Okay if there's
[11:17.240 --> 11:24.440] passive case law on this when a subject matter jurisdiction challenge is filed the court loses
[11:24.440 --> 11:30.440] jurisdiction until they prove it. Okay well then what's the time frame? What's the time frame?
[11:30.440 --> 11:38.360] They cannot. Time frame is an issue. What's the time frame? The time frame let me explain time frame
[11:38.360 --> 11:45.720] once the subject matter jurisdiction motion is filed challenge is filed the court can do nothing
[11:45.720 --> 11:53.240] else until it proves jurisdiction. The court's time to move along and ignore that. It has no
[11:53.240 --> 11:59.880] jurisdiction to do anything until it proves up jurisdiction and he's saying he's asking the court
[11:59.880 --> 12:08.760] to order them to prove jurisdiction so that they have standing to move ahead. Did the court move
[12:08.760 --> 12:20.200] ahead after his challenge without responding to his challenge? My challenge when there's a 30-day
[12:20.200 --> 12:24.520] window for I get what they call those they're like pre-trial motions that you have to get in
[12:24.520 --> 12:31.240] there's a window for those and I got that in right away after my argument and then they just started
[12:31.240 --> 12:37.080] setting calendar dates I show up to them and they were like conferences you know like status
[12:37.080 --> 12:41.480] conference I'd show up to them they're trying to get me to take a deal then the last one was a
[12:41.480 --> 12:50.360] pre-trial conference and that's when they gave me this sweetheart deal and I was blindsided by it
[12:50.360 --> 12:56.120] I honestly had to think about it so instead of giving me a continuance for a week they kicked
[12:56.120 --> 13:02.760] it three months and I'm still not even there yet but since the mandamus the judge recused
[13:02.760 --> 13:12.360] himself and now I don't have a court date at all I just really think they have a way of once you
[13:12.360 --> 13:18.600] get a box into a corner they just ignore you listen listen listen you're saying that they
[13:18.600 --> 13:26.600] basically they're just ignoring the situation but they are the ones that brought the case against
[13:26.600 --> 13:35.880] you correct okay you know what just just let it let it right okay they they have a little fun in
[13:35.880 --> 13:42.200] the meantime yeah well of course have a little fun but remember they've got a statute of limitations
[13:42.200 --> 13:51.160] and it you know that I have seen cases dismissed for what's called wants of prosecution and that
[13:51.160 --> 13:59.960] applies to civil as well it's like let them let them wallow and the time frame runs out
[13:59.960 --> 14:06.840] well then you just walk away I mean don't there's no need to you know go to the higher
[14:06.840 --> 14:12.040] I'm not saying you did anything wrong but I mean I'm just saying in some and some instances just
[14:12.040 --> 14:21.000] consider let them you know screw up and just watch them flail around and you know just walk away
[14:21.000 --> 14:29.560] and don't harass the higher court to we'll talk to Josh about this I don't know you know I say
[14:30.520 --> 14:36.840] pick your battles real careful and Josh wants to have this fight yeah well he's got the upper hand
[14:36.840 --> 14:44.040] now now he's bringing the fight to them and they're screwing it up am I right about that Josh
[14:44.040 --> 14:53.720] it certainly does seem that way um and I was actually I wanted to redraft my my uh
[14:53.720 --> 14:56.840] mandamus and give it to the Supreme Court because I think that's where I should have gone with it
[14:56.840 --> 15:03.320] in the first place because after all the reading I did on procedure it looks like in Pennsylvania
[15:03.320 --> 15:09.160] mandamus has to go to the Supreme Court oh that's interesting I just disconnect
[15:09.160 --> 15:14.760] in the interlocutory appeal and or appeal they're not a direct appeal
[15:15.400 --> 15:21.400] and you were wrong and I knew I knew I didn't miss this simple one the superior court in Pennsylvania
[15:21.400 --> 15:26.600] is the appellate court for the court of common please and then okay that is that is interesting
[15:26.600 --> 15:32.360] that is unusual but then again everything I've seen about Pennsylvania is unusual
[15:32.360 --> 15:41.800] yes it is a commonwealth but it's even different than the other commonwealths
[15:43.400 --> 15:47.480] so it's the only one that calls the county court the proponitory
[15:48.440 --> 15:51.480] yes yes that is such a cool word
[15:53.080 --> 15:59.560] they call it what the proponitory is it was it just Latin for recorder records I think
[15:59.560 --> 16:06.840] there's something like that yeah is that cool name or what so I'm not going to the county court
[16:06.840 --> 16:13.720] I'm going to the proponitory sounds like something that you get surgery to have removed exactly
[16:14.920 --> 16:20.440] but you know Pennsylvania is unusual you have standing when you file a criminal complaint
[16:20.440 --> 16:26.360] because you don't have a grand jury in Pennsylvania it's different than that it's almost as different
[16:26.360 --> 16:32.520] as Louisiana is but Louisiana Louisiana is insane this is like another country hang on
[16:33.240 --> 16:37.960] we're about to go to our sponsors or Andy Keltham Brett Fountain will radio here with
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[16:46.200 --> 16:52.760] I screwed up my outro and I went out too soon and now I've got all this time and Deborah actually
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[20:01.720 --> 20:04.280] okay we are back randy kelton brett fountain
[20:05.160 --> 20:08.920] debbie stevens we're we're we're talking to josh in pennsylvania
[20:08.920 --> 20:16.840] okay josh uh we've kind of went around your issue a lot have we pretty well answered your
[20:16.840 --> 20:23.960] questions well i've learned a lot you know listening to you guys as far as my specific
[20:23.960 --> 20:30.280] circumstances and what i just wanted the sounding board off you was refiling my man damas with the
[20:30.280 --> 20:35.160] supreme court and it um it seems like that's where it should have been in the first place
[20:37.960 --> 20:47.880] yeah and why you are wanting to file a man damas anyway i mean you're the defendant right
[20:47.880 --> 20:57.000] okay so what's what's the problem why are you not are you is your liberty is your liberty at
[20:57.000 --> 21:04.680] stake in a year and a half well okay but wait hold on i'm let me ask a question randy is josh
[21:04.680 --> 21:12.360] is your liberty at stake i mean are i mean you're you're calling into the show so you're probably
[21:12.360 --> 21:20.440] not calling in from jail i mean so well they they did wrongfully incarcerate me for 30 days
[21:20.440 --> 21:27.800] not 30 days for us uh like half a day yeah but that's but that would be i'm pissed off
[21:27.800 --> 21:34.680] okay but that would be a cause of action i'm pissed off yeah but josh josh if they wronged you somehow
[21:34.680 --> 21:44.120] regarding due process then you need to file civil and criminal cases against them as a plaintiff
[21:44.120 --> 21:50.520] that's not the in parallel yet yeah in parallel that has nothing to do with the no no with the
[21:50.520 --> 21:58.120] defense side of things i mean if yeah it does okay it does okay he can't file a civil action
[21:58.120 --> 22:04.360] so long as the criminal actions in process and they're trying to stop it from ever getting
[22:05.000 --> 22:11.800] computed so he can't file civil civil no i don't if they would if they drag their feet long enough
[22:11.800 --> 22:18.360] and the statute of limitations is up and he can't go civil after him the right to a speedy trial was
[22:18.360 --> 22:26.040] important so that you don't have this claim this potential uh claim against your liberty hanging
[22:26.040 --> 22:32.200] over your head perpetually no wait a minute no no no randy you don't have to wait until
[22:32.200 --> 22:38.920] a criminal case is over before you file civil against yes you would yes you do what about
[22:38.920 --> 22:45.720] biffin's what about the biffin's claim in federal court you can't file the biffin's claim as long
[22:45.720 --> 22:52.840] as the trial in the state court is proceeding because the federal court is blocked by lucah
[22:52.840 --> 23:04.120] felman so then you can't file the civil until you finish the the criminal and the
[23:05.320 --> 23:10.600] standard procedure somebody fights them they just drag it out for years years years until you're
[23:11.560 --> 23:19.160] till you just get wore out and you know josh is in a good position he knows they don't have a case
[23:19.160 --> 23:24.440] and he knows they don't know that they don't have they i'm sorry he knows they know they don't
[23:24.440 --> 23:31.400] have a case and now they're trying to drag their feet but he filed a subject matter jurisdiction
[23:31.400 --> 23:38.520] challenge and they have to hear it it's their job don't care if they want to or not that's what
[23:38.520 --> 23:46.360] josh is doing what i would do if i can get you to violate a law relating to your office i'm
[23:46.360 --> 23:52.760] going to hammer you for it if i have a right you're going to abide by it don't care if i need it or
[23:52.760 --> 23:59.160] not you're going to abide by it that's your job and i'm not going to let you ignore doing your
[23:59.160 --> 24:06.920] job and and josh is willing to fight with him but he's in the case that if he gets a ruling
[24:06.920 --> 24:13.640] in the case it has to be in his favor and the courts they're trying to keep that from happening
[24:13.640 --> 24:18.200] because they know that's what's going to have vicos in the appeal score they'll throw out in
[24:18.200 --> 24:26.040] heartbeat so he shouldn't have to sit here three or four years being subject to the whims whims
[24:26.040 --> 24:34.200] and caprice of the court because they screwed up they don't want to adjudicate the case i'm saying
[24:34.200 --> 24:41.240] stick it to them well on the stick it to them no um do i have ground bond you guys generally
[24:41.240 --> 24:46.040] do them anyway but i want a judicial conduct complaint to judge for recusing himself because
[24:46.040 --> 24:52.360] it's absolutely he had no grounds he's in the case he does not want to rule in your favor and
[24:52.360 --> 24:59.480] that's all that's the reason he okay i want to see i want to see the case law i want to see the case
[24:59.480 --> 25:08.760] law regarding this issue and and when is there when is there evidence like what can like what can
[25:08.760 --> 25:16.920] josh show if he's going to file another petition for writ of mandamus to a higher court i want i
[25:16.920 --> 25:26.040] mean what can he show a specific evidence to support elements of a cause of action to to show
[25:26.040 --> 25:32.200] and within a specific time frame that has already been adjudicated in case law to say look either
[25:32.200 --> 25:39.640] what six months or nine months or you know the wrong place oh procedures the wrong place subject
[25:39.640 --> 25:50.040] matter jurisdiction i got stacks of case law and it all says when a a case is filed subject
[25:50.040 --> 25:57.000] matter jurisdiction is presumed when subject matter jurisdiction is challenged subject
[25:57.000 --> 26:06.520] matter jurisdiction is lost until the court proves jurisdiction not prosecution but the court
[26:06.520 --> 26:13.720] before the court tells you you have to do something the court has to prove up that it has authority
[26:13.720 --> 26:21.320] to issue that order because you just said who are you question number one yeah it's it's what they
[26:21.320 --> 26:29.000] called it is a threshold issue the court can has to get across this threshold before it can
[26:29.000 --> 26:33.640] exercise jurisdiction okay so let's try to exercise jurisdiction without stepping across that
[26:33.640 --> 26:40.280] okay so what what is the challenge to jurisdiction here with josh what is he saying that that the
[26:40.280 --> 26:47.240] complaint itself accused josh of sleeping in his car and that's insufficient to invoke the
[26:47.240 --> 26:53.240] subject matter jurisdiction at the court they charge me under the transportation code and and
[26:53.240 --> 26:59.080] i weaved in a lot of eddies not engaged in transportation along with the actual physical
[26:59.080 --> 27:06.520] control element that they're looking for in that which i gotta say thank you i gotta i gotta tell
[27:06.520 --> 27:12.760] you i appreciate that because you know you could have gotten off without bringing that level in
[27:12.760 --> 27:21.080] there you could have just said hey i was asleep and instead you are bringing in pertinent issues
[27:21.080 --> 27:28.440] and tying it to that i think that's really valuable yeah for a lot of people make them do the job
[27:28.440 --> 27:34.360] and and that's that's what i see in it is they don't get to do this just because they want to
[27:36.040 --> 27:40.920] you are not my master i'm your master and you will follow my law and that's all there is to it
[27:40.920 --> 27:50.040] okay well that makes perfect sense let's just let's just not tie that into i want to hurry up along
[27:50.040 --> 27:56.760] the appeal process because that's a different issue no i mean if you're challenging subject
[27:56.760 --> 28:03.720] matter jurisdiction of the trial court based on the statute that's different from uh you know
[28:03.720 --> 28:09.480] they're not uh paying attention to the documents i'm filing and so i want to follow mandamus to
[28:09.480 --> 28:17.320] hurry this along i mean that's a different issue okay no his subject manager sticking was the big
[28:17.320 --> 28:27.000] deal that's dispositive and a refusal to hear that is a due process violation that's criminal
[28:27.000 --> 28:34.040] on their part and that gives him standing to raise these issues he of all the things that give you
[28:34.040 --> 28:41.240] standing to petition for rid of mandamus due process is the big guy well deborah this is what
[28:41.240 --> 28:48.120] i was wrestling with and why i call my standing to do what i'm talking about because i'm not
[28:48.120 --> 28:55.560] going to find any case law where somebody had the audacity to file a mandamus just strictly
[28:55.560 --> 28:59.800] ordering the court to rule on a motion they've been sitting on i'm going to find it you're not
[28:59.800 --> 29:05.800] no they've done it before no they're not going to do that because because uh the lower courts
[29:06.440 --> 29:14.520] eventually will rule in it it may take a while it may take a year it may take two years but
[29:14.520 --> 29:21.080] it's not going to take five years okay and there's not you're not going to find case law or statute
[29:21.080 --> 29:28.120] where it says there's a specific period of time uh where if they don't rule by such and such period
[29:28.120 --> 29:36.520] of time then you're entitled to uh a position for mandamus uh uh or ruling on that you're not
[29:36.520 --> 29:42.200] going to find that and so just be careful on that that's what i'm saying just and everything i read
[29:42.200 --> 29:48.440] about mandamus and scholarly articles and whatnot that currently the way it's being used as a as a
[29:48.440 --> 29:52.920] form of interlocutory okay all right just hold on josh we're about to go to right just hold on
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[33:35.160 --> 33:43.400] i won't let you
[33:43.400 --> 34:10.520] for
[34:10.520 --> 34:11.520] We are back.
[34:11.520 --> 34:17.400] Brenda Kelton, Brett Fountain, Debra Stevens, we were on radio and talking to Josh in Pennsylvania.
[34:17.400 --> 34:21.240] Josh, have we pretty well covered this subject?
[34:21.240 --> 34:24.360] Is there any other questions or anything we haven't addressed?
[34:24.360 --> 34:26.560] I've taken up far too much of your time anyway.
[34:26.560 --> 34:30.400] If you don't mind, I'd just like to shoot you a little email with a couple of things.
[34:30.400 --> 34:34.400] Maybe if you get a chance to it, you could fire it back to me and perhaps call in another
[34:34.400 --> 34:35.400] week.
[34:35.400 --> 34:36.400] Yes.
[34:36.400 --> 34:37.400] That would be great.
[34:37.400 --> 34:38.400] Do that.
[34:38.400 --> 34:39.400] All right.
[34:39.400 --> 34:43.720] If it's really a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction of the original trial court,
[34:43.720 --> 34:54.720] then I don't know, if it was me, I might want to look into motions to recuse or filing motions
[34:54.720 --> 34:58.800] with a higher court for disqualifying and stuff like that.
[34:58.800 --> 35:01.360] I would look into procedure.
[35:01.360 --> 35:07.160] That's really the main reason I came on the air to discuss this situation, just to alert
[35:07.160 --> 35:15.760] the listeners that the bad guys are going to trip up the good guys on intricacies and
[35:15.760 --> 35:25.720] minute details of procedure every single time, even experienced lawyers, even experienced
[35:25.720 --> 35:33.600] attorneys that are well-meaning get tripped up on procedure by the bad guys.
[35:33.600 --> 35:44.880] The bad guys plan these schemes for years, decades in advance to run the flagpole.
[35:44.880 --> 35:53.360] I'm just saying, be careful about just going out there and saying, well, I'm going to file
[35:53.360 --> 35:56.520] a mandamus or this or that with a higher court.
[35:56.520 --> 36:03.320] Make sure that I'm just, this is just generic general, if it were me, this is what I would
[36:03.320 --> 36:04.320] do.
[36:04.320 --> 36:12.840] I would make sure I exhaust every single remedy before I start filing original petitions and
[36:12.840 --> 36:22.000] writs with a higher court that is outside the normal scope of appellate procedure because
[36:22.000 --> 36:24.000] you might get shot down.
[36:24.000 --> 36:25.000] Okay.
[36:25.000 --> 36:27.640] Josh has really done his homework.
[36:27.640 --> 36:28.640] Oh, I know.
[36:28.640 --> 36:30.640] I'm not saying anything against Josh.
[36:30.640 --> 36:36.080] Well, no, I appreciate you hopping on because I actually was calling just to heighten up
[36:36.080 --> 36:38.800] my procedure on this to make sure I wasn't out on the left field.
[36:38.800 --> 36:43.400] It seems like there's still a little ambiguity in at least as far as...
[36:43.400 --> 36:44.400] Well, Josh, I mean...
[36:44.400 --> 36:46.920] These things are supposed to be used to win.
[36:46.920 --> 36:50.160] Well, Josh, listen, you're in Pennsylvania.
[36:50.160 --> 36:51.160] I understand.
[36:51.160 --> 36:56.560] You're the one to do the research on your statute in case of law.
[36:56.560 --> 37:00.760] And he has, he's been real good about that.
[37:00.760 --> 37:01.760] Okay.
[37:01.760 --> 37:04.080] But no, I appreciate you guys taking the time.
[37:04.080 --> 37:09.280] Like I said, I'll shoot you a little message at some point and call it next week.
[37:09.280 --> 37:10.280] Okay.
[37:10.280 --> 37:11.280] Thank you, Josh.
[37:11.280 --> 37:12.280] Thank you, guys.
[37:12.280 --> 37:13.280] Let's go.
[37:13.280 --> 37:16.120] Now we're going to Tina in California.
[37:16.120 --> 37:17.120] Hello, Tina.
[37:17.120 --> 37:20.960] Well, it kind of goes back.
[37:20.960 --> 37:23.440] I'm still in my fight, by the way.
[37:23.440 --> 37:30.840] All the documents that I got for the appeal court today, I got a notification and I got
[37:30.840 --> 37:31.840] a big box of them.
[37:31.840 --> 37:38.200] It's about, you know, piles of four or five inches thick of the paper that is gone, mostly
[37:38.200 --> 37:42.320] submitted by CIT who have killed a few trees on this.
[37:42.320 --> 37:47.000] So I now have 40 days to file my brief.
[37:47.000 --> 37:54.120] But anyway, I wanted to let you guys know, I've emailed Brett and you, and I wanted
[37:54.120 --> 37:58.520] all the listeners to know, because it goes to exactly what you were talking about right
[37:58.520 --> 38:03.840] at the beginning of the show about the corruption and the manipulation and Chase Bank and all
[38:03.840 --> 38:04.840] this other.
[38:04.840 --> 38:13.240] The, it's all going to come out about the 2008 crisis in a series, a five-part documentary
[38:13.240 --> 38:16.000] series called The Com.
[38:16.000 --> 38:20.200] It premieres on August 6th.
[38:20.200 --> 38:24.560] And I was interviewed for this a couple of years back.
[38:24.560 --> 38:30.560] And as were a lot of people I know who were fighting the foreclosure.
[38:30.560 --> 38:35.840] And we don't know who made the cut, you know, whose interview, whatever.
[38:35.840 --> 38:44.320] I know it opens with this 91-year-old lady who committed suicide in Ohio when the sheriffs
[38:44.320 --> 38:46.440] were coming to her door to a victor.
[38:46.440 --> 38:49.880] She literally took her gun and shot herself in the chest.
[38:49.880 --> 38:51.880] Oh my goodness.
[38:51.880 --> 38:55.680] And yeah, 91 years old.
[38:55.680 --> 39:01.120] Anyway, they're going, they say they're going to name names.
[39:01.120 --> 39:05.840] It was originally going to be a 90-minute documentary.
[39:05.840 --> 39:09.120] It's turned into a five-part series.
[39:09.120 --> 39:15.680] And it talks about the press release that I, in the email I sent you, maybe you can
[39:15.680 --> 39:23.040] put something on your website about it because I'd like everybody to go to the Facebook
[39:23.040 --> 39:26.360] or to the actual website and like it.
[39:26.360 --> 39:32.200] And then they can get notifications and updates because they said they're going to name some
[39:32.200 --> 39:33.200] big names.
[39:33.200 --> 39:41.360] And it's talking about how they found that it's basically how we went from government
[39:41.360 --> 39:47.720] for the people to government for the corporation.
[39:47.720 --> 39:53.520] And it seems that it's going to be pretty in depth.
[39:53.520 --> 39:55.720] Okay.
[39:55.720 --> 40:02.200] I have been working on the foreclosure thing for quite a while and I understand that it's
[40:02.200 --> 40:06.320] the biggest con in history and we've talked about that on the show.
[40:06.320 --> 40:13.120] The problem is that all of our judges are bought and paid for.
[40:13.120 --> 40:24.560] So for all of this exposure, it's of little value if we can't take these judges to task.
[40:24.560 --> 40:32.280] John just sent me a book or a link to a book by an ex-judge who became...
[40:32.280 --> 40:34.720] I would like to get the copy of that.
[40:34.720 --> 40:35.720] Say that again.
[40:35.720 --> 40:39.280] I'd like to get the link to that because I'd like to see it.
[40:39.280 --> 40:40.280] Yeah.
[40:40.280 --> 40:43.120] I've got to go down through my emails and find that again.
[40:43.120 --> 40:49.120] But he said he became a judge and he had to take bribes or the other judges would come
[40:49.120 --> 40:53.120] after him and he was afraid he'd wind up in jail.
[40:53.120 --> 40:57.880] And it wasn't until he got off the bench that he wrote this ex-cosé.
[40:57.880 --> 40:59.720] I know a judge like that.
[40:59.720 --> 41:09.160] He's a JP and he's got some really angry men around him just because he is not willing
[41:09.160 --> 41:12.520] to sacrifice his integrity.
[41:12.520 --> 41:21.920] My son-in-law is a JP and fortunately if anybody comes after him, if he'll let me know, I'm
[41:21.920 --> 41:24.600] in a position that I can help there.
[41:24.600 --> 41:27.560] But there are many out there who don't.
[41:27.560 --> 41:33.160] I'm in a county where everybody knows me and the district judge hates me.
[41:33.160 --> 41:36.920] The brand new district judge hates me.
[41:36.920 --> 41:43.360] And that's okay because I'm going to give him a really good reason to hate me.
[41:43.360 --> 41:48.440] He doesn't seem to feel as though he's bound by law and we'll see if we can fix that.
[41:48.440 --> 41:53.560] But this is a problem and if we can't get these judges, then it's not going to make
[41:53.560 --> 41:56.760] any difference how much exposure there is.
[41:56.760 --> 41:59.880] And when I saw this, you sent me an email about this.
[41:59.880 --> 42:04.600] I was really frustrated about it because I do this show and I talk about this all the
[42:04.600 --> 42:05.600] time.
[42:05.600 --> 42:07.720] They got it sewed up.
[42:07.720 --> 42:14.800] If we can't find a way and in wrote in, then it's not going to make any difference.
[42:14.800 --> 42:16.840] Then I'm frustrated by it.
[42:16.840 --> 42:21.440] I'm doing this project to try to give people access to go after them.
[42:21.440 --> 42:26.400] The one way we might be able to get them, if we can get hundreds and hundreds or thousands
[42:26.400 --> 42:35.320] of people filing complaints against judges, that might eventually pry this loose.
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[45:10.520 --> 45:32.160] Okay, we are back, Randy Carleton, Brett Fountain, Debra Stevens, rule of law radio,
[45:32.160 --> 45:35.120] and we're talking to Tina in California.
[45:35.120 --> 45:44.720] Tina, you know, I've helped over 700 people file lawsuits in this foreclosure issue.
[45:44.720 --> 45:53.680] And that's why, because of this, that I developed this one statement that you can never expect
[45:53.680 --> 45:56.260] to win your case in the trial court.
[45:56.260 --> 46:01.880] You should expect the court to rule against you out of hand at every turn, because that's
[46:01.880 --> 46:04.360] what I found.
[46:04.360 --> 46:08.880] It made no difference what we filed in the foreclosure case.
[46:08.880 --> 46:13.000] The judges ruled against us out of hand at every turn.
[46:13.000 --> 46:16.600] They are all criminals.
[46:16.600 --> 46:19.400] I'm not saying they're all intentionally criminals.
[46:19.400 --> 46:21.840] It's kind of like the police.
[46:21.840 --> 46:26.040] A policeman becomes a policeman, of course he wants to become a good guy, and he gets
[46:26.040 --> 46:30.600] out here and gets in the real world and finds out it's not anything like he thought it was,
[46:30.600 --> 46:33.040] but now he's committed.
[46:33.040 --> 46:34.440] So what does he do?
[46:34.440 --> 46:43.720] Does he do like this guy in Houston, who was going to report these criminal police?
[46:43.720 --> 46:50.640] So they set up a sting and tried to murder him, they went to a house that these people
[46:50.640 --> 46:56.160] were supposedly selling drugs, and a couple guys outside with automatic weapons fired through
[46:56.160 --> 47:00.000] the wall and tried to murder this guy.
[47:00.000 --> 47:05.440] Our cops are really, really criminals, they've got some really bad guys in there, and a lot
[47:05.440 --> 47:11.080] of guys that want to be good guys, but they're stuck with the bad guys.
[47:11.080 --> 47:12.080] And why?
[47:12.080 --> 47:18.880] I granted they should man up and out the bad guys, but they feel stuck.
[47:18.880 --> 47:20.360] Judges, same way.
[47:20.360 --> 47:26.240] It's a corruption, a culture of corruption.
[47:26.240 --> 47:29.520] So how do we fix it, Tina?
[47:29.520 --> 47:30.520] Expose A?
[47:30.520 --> 47:37.000] I think there's been an Expose A after Expose A after Expose A. How do we fix it?
[47:37.000 --> 47:43.280] Well, sitting back and doing nothing doesn't fix it.
[47:43.280 --> 47:47.400] I'm saying go ahead, Tina, we couldn't hear you.
[47:47.400 --> 47:51.000] Oh, I said sitting back and doing nothing doesn't fix it.
[47:51.000 --> 47:59.000] We have to keep exposing and letting them know that we're not going to tolerate this,
[47:59.000 --> 48:07.640] but the more people get to know about how bad these people are, the more there will
[48:07.640 --> 48:12.360] be unrest and calling for change.
[48:12.360 --> 48:16.880] I don't know if it'll work, but it's worth a try.
[48:16.880 --> 48:24.440] I'm hoping I can get my tools up and working for the ordinary individual when he believes
[48:24.440 --> 48:30.320] that a judge ruled improperly can not only file an objection, but file a criminal against
[48:30.320 --> 48:35.320] the judge, and judicial conduct complaints against the judge.
[48:35.320 --> 48:38.920] Get those tools that are most harmful to these guys.
[48:38.920 --> 48:45.520] The tools that are in place to keep control over these people, the people in positions
[48:45.520 --> 48:51.640] of power and authority try to hide those from us because they want to keep control.
[48:51.640 --> 48:57.120] We need to get these tools back in the hands of the individuals.
[48:57.120 --> 49:05.480] If I can get this electronic lawyer up and working and I'm struggling with it, then we
[49:05.480 --> 49:11.680] give the individual tools that he can start using against these guys.
[49:11.680 --> 49:17.040] Maybe if we can get a few of them indicted, when there's enough public pressure, when
[49:17.040 --> 49:25.160] there's enough people filing criminal charges, it'll reach a tipping point to where they'll
[49:25.160 --> 49:28.360] have to start straightening out part of it.
[49:28.360 --> 49:36.280] I don't have any illusions that we can fix all of this.
[49:36.280 --> 49:38.560] Human beings are corrupt.
[49:38.560 --> 49:42.800] It is in our nature.
[49:42.800 --> 49:48.840] We will do, for the most part, whatever we think we can get away with.
[49:48.840 --> 49:55.080] I hate to say that about the human animal, but that's what we are.
[49:55.080 --> 50:01.320] We all do, for the most part, everything we do for what we believe to be in our own personal
[50:01.320 --> 50:03.320] self-interest.
[50:03.320 --> 50:06.600] Fortunately, humans heard.
[50:06.600 --> 50:13.040] So the sanctity of the herd is in the self-interest of the individual, and that's probably the
[50:13.040 --> 50:16.720] only thing that kept us from killing each other.
[50:16.720 --> 50:17.880] We're not tigers.
[50:17.880 --> 50:18.880] Tigers are solitary.
[50:18.880 --> 50:23.120] They'll kill each other if one gets in the way of the other.
[50:23.120 --> 50:28.560] Humans heard, and that's probably the only thing that's kept us from slaughtering ourselves.
[50:28.560 --> 50:29.560] But corruption is here.
[50:29.560 --> 50:30.800] It's always been here.
[50:30.800 --> 50:34.680] It's always going to be here.
[50:34.680 --> 50:42.080] We had a good time right now with this coronavirus and all this garbage going on.
[50:42.080 --> 50:48.600] They've woken up the public, and you and I and everyone else on the show and everyone
[50:48.600 --> 50:58.360] listening, we may actually have an opportunity to root out a lot of this corruption.
[50:58.360 --> 51:03.080] But if we do, our grandkids are going to have to do it again.
[51:03.080 --> 51:12.240] I'm not naive enough to think that we can permanently fix this, but we can fix it for
[51:12.240 --> 51:14.680] the time being.
[51:14.680 --> 51:21.360] And by all means, everybody listening to that program, you need to understand what's going
[51:21.360 --> 51:26.920] on if for no other reason to get you upset enough that you'll actually take these guys
[51:26.920 --> 51:29.520] on.
[51:29.520 --> 51:33.240] Get back against them, and that's the hardest thing to get people to do.
[51:33.240 --> 51:35.560] But we're in a good position now.
[51:35.560 --> 51:37.560] Everybody's awake.
[51:37.560 --> 51:46.720] Tina, in California, is everybody wearing a mask?
[51:46.720 --> 51:53.320] I would say the vast majority are where I am.
[51:53.320 --> 52:00.920] I'm in very democratic, slow town, you know, it's kind of, and people are getting indignant
[52:00.920 --> 52:07.880] when people don't wear masks, but other parts, I'm not sure of, I can only say what I hear
[52:07.880 --> 52:11.000] on the news, when they go to the beaches, they're not wearing masks.
[52:11.000 --> 52:16.520] I've been to a couple of, you know, little towns, namely where I see people sitting at
[52:16.520 --> 52:22.800] restaurants and outside, but they're not wearing a mask, and they're very close together.
[52:22.800 --> 52:32.080] I take that as an indication of how many of the people are following what they believe,
[52:32.080 --> 52:35.840] really believe that's right or not, what they're doing.
[52:35.840 --> 52:41.320] They're following their own lead and not the lead of the government, and I take that as
[52:41.320 --> 52:43.320] a good sign.
[52:43.320 --> 52:50.480] What I'm be hearing, though, is from Democrats that it's mostly Republicans that are causing
[52:50.480 --> 52:57.960] the problems and not wearing the masks and causing the coronavirus to get worse, and
[52:57.960 --> 53:08.960] that we're all being selfish and just not caring about others, and that will be radical.
[53:08.960 --> 53:13.280] That's the standard spiel of the propagandist.
[53:13.280 --> 53:19.920] If you don't do everything we say you should do, you're being selfish, you don't care about
[53:19.920 --> 53:25.080] everybody else, and they control us that way.
[53:25.080 --> 53:32.640] What they're not talking about is all the evidence out there to indicate that what they're
[53:32.640 --> 53:40.640] saying is not true, and without taking on the coronavirus itself, that issue, that so many
[53:40.640 --> 53:47.600] people are doing what they believe is right rather than following what the government
[53:47.600 --> 53:53.280] tells them is right, that I take as a positive sign.
[53:53.280 --> 54:00.280] At the end of the day, I don't trust my politicians, Republicans, Democrats, libertarians, they're
[54:00.280 --> 54:01.600] all politicians.
[54:01.600 --> 54:13.600] It is my opinion that the general public will make the best choices, that a cross-section
[54:13.600 --> 54:23.480] of the general public will demonstrate the greatest amount of cultural wisdom.
[54:23.480 --> 54:27.880] I don't have this concern about the coronavirus, it looks like every other major virus that
[54:27.880 --> 54:29.880] comes out.
[54:29.880 --> 54:36.280] Every year we have these flu epidemics, and almost as many people die, and the flu epidemics
[54:36.280 --> 54:41.960] have died in the coronavirus.
[54:41.960 --> 54:49.240] So I don't know how to say this, it's not about corona, it's about people who are actually
[54:49.240 --> 54:54.360] doing what they believe is right rather than what the government tells us is right.
[54:54.360 --> 54:57.680] Am I making sense or am I just rambling?
[54:57.680 --> 55:00.880] Well, no, you make sense, please.
[55:00.880 --> 55:09.480] I have a difficult situation here where I live, I'm living with someone who is a retired
[55:09.480 --> 55:17.400] engineer, and they seem to always think they know everything, and if I go out and I don't
[55:17.400 --> 55:21.080] want my mask if I come out to often, oh, you're going to kill me, you're going to bring this
[55:21.080 --> 55:27.160] back, and I'm a dead man if I get it, because if I get it, I'm going to be a head man.
[55:27.160 --> 55:33.680] Okay, that's understandable, I was in Fort Worth the other day, and I took a mask with
[55:33.680 --> 55:39.440] me, and my son mentioned this, and he stated this in a way I thought was very well done,
[55:39.440 --> 55:40.440] very well put.
[55:40.440 --> 55:46.680] He said he believes he's masked of BS, but he was going into a grocery store and there's
[55:46.680 --> 55:50.680] a guard there at the door asking everybody to wear a mask, if you didn't have one they'd
[55:50.680 --> 55:58.760] give you one, and he said, I didn't wear a mask because I thought it was necessary.
[55:58.760 --> 56:03.120] I wore the mask out of respect to that guard.
[56:03.120 --> 56:09.280] I didn't want to put him in a position to where he had to do his job and in doing his
[56:09.280 --> 56:15.440] job he would have to do something really objectionable, and when I got in the store, these people
[56:15.440 --> 56:22.080] working in the store, they're just clerks and people stalking shelves, he did not want
[56:22.080 --> 56:26.840] to put them in a position to where they would have to confront him.
[56:26.840 --> 56:31.920] He said, now all the customers there, they go scratch, I don't care what they think,
[56:31.920 --> 56:38.280] but out of respect for the position he was putting people in, he would wear the mask
[56:38.280 --> 56:41.880] just to be fair to them.
[56:41.880 --> 56:44.120] That's what I do.
[56:44.120 --> 56:50.320] I have it hanging over my ear and when I walked into the store, I put it on and when I walk
[56:50.320 --> 56:55.920] out of the store, I take it off, out of respect for the people who are afraid and out of respect
[56:55.920 --> 57:02.320] for my partner who is definitely afraid of it, but he thinks everything I say is a conspiracy
[57:02.320 --> 57:09.520] theorist and he says, you'll believe anything those conspiracy theorists say, and so I just
[57:09.520 --> 57:15.200] let it go, I just don't get into an argument about it, I research what I want and I look
[57:15.200 --> 57:20.040] at all the facts and figures and I've got some friends who are post-it doctors who send
[57:20.040 --> 57:29.400] me some very good information and I've already decided what treatment I would like if I happen
[57:29.400 --> 57:38.560] to get this, if I have to go into the hospital, so I'm not worried, I'm not worried at all.
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[59:34.520 --> 59:40.720] In history, the year 1916, the Preparedness Day bombing, a timed suitcase bomb, was detonated
[59:40.720 --> 59:46.040] on Market Street in San Francisco during the World War I Preparedness Day Parade, killing
[59:46.040 --> 59:53.040] 10 and entering 40 today in history.
[59:53.040 --> 59:57.720] In recent news, since Governor Greg Abbott signed House Bill 1325 legalizing heaven to
[59:57.720 --> 01:00:02.440] Texas law back in June, county prosecutors around the state, including Houston, Austin,
[01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.360] and San Antonio, have been dropping marijuana possession charges and even refusing to file
[01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:11.000] new ones since they are stipulating that they do not have the time or the laboratory equipment
[01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.000] to test the herb for THC.
[01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.720] Margaret Moore, the Travis County District Attorney, announced earlier this month that
[01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:21.240] she was dismissing 32 felony possession and delivery of marijuana cases because of the
[01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:22.240] law.
[01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:25.840] They have it in other state officials, including the Attorney General stipulated in a letter
[01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.320] to county district attorneys back on Thursday that marijuana has not been decriminalized
[01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:36.480] in Texas and that these actions demonstrate a misunderstanding of how HB 1325 works, as
[01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:42.720] well as other cities, too, like the district attorney in El Paso, Cayma Esparza, a Democrat
[01:00:42.720 --> 01:00:47.200] who also stated earlier this month that the law, quote, will not have an effect on the
[01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:49.920] prosecution of marijuana cases in El Paso.
[01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:55.040] However, the issue was succinctly summarized by Mr. Brandon Ball, an assistant public defender
[01:00:55.040 --> 01:00:59.040] in Harris County, who stated that, quote, the law is constantly changing on what makes
[01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:01.760] something illegal based on its chemical makeup.
[01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.680] It's important that if someone is charged with something, the test matches what they're
[01:01:05.680 --> 01:01:10.880] charged with.
[01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:16.280] A paper by Tulane University identified a five-and-a-half inch American pocket shark as the first of
[01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:21.880] its kind in the Gulf of Mexico, the specimen being only the second pocket shark ever captured
[01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:27.760] or recorded with the other one being found way back in 1979 in the East Pacific Ocean.
[01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:32.480] According to the university paper, the shark secretes a lumus fluid from a gland near its
[01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:38.360] front fins for the purpose it is hypothesized to lure and prey who may be drawn into the
[01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:48.280] glow.
[01:01:48.280 --> 01:02:06.160] This is Ruth Rody with your lowdown for July 22, 2019.
[01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:22.360] Thank you.
[01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:43.240] Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Brett Falton, Debussy through our radio, and we're talking
[01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:44.240] to Katie in California.
[01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:51.040] And I have to tell you, Tita, for me that has been a, it's required some soul searching.
[01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:56.080] I was doing some research, I was going over some research that Debussy sent me.
[01:02:56.080 --> 01:03:05.160] And I was looking at the research and I caught myself interpreting the research to justify
[01:03:05.160 --> 01:03:09.120] what I already felt.
[01:03:09.120 --> 01:03:16.080] And I was kind of embarrassed at myself that I was simply trying to find evidence to support
[01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:23.640] what I already believed. And I had to back up and ask myself some hard questions.
[01:03:23.640 --> 01:03:32.080] Before I can come to a considered decision, I have to make sure that my decisions are
[01:03:32.080 --> 01:03:40.560] carefully considered, that I'm not allowing my personal prejudices and proclivities to
[01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:48.880] take my decision making. That is really hard to do. And my concern is not so much about
[01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:59.680] coronavirus. My concern is really about how disciplined I am in my thinking processes.
[01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:06.360] And that's a struggle because, you know, I'm in legal reform and I should object to that,
[01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:15.640] those masks out of hand. How dare they tell me to do that? Well, I don't know. Am I being
[01:04:15.640 --> 01:04:21.040] self-serving and arrogant? And how can I tell when I'm not?
[01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:28.360] It's a difficult decision for all of us and I think we all have to take our own situations
[01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:36.720] into account, you know, who we live with, everything and which is the best fight to
[01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:37.720] pick.
[01:04:37.720 --> 01:04:46.320] And Deborah has been doing some extensive research on this. And I think we've got an
[01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:56.400] hour. I want her to present this, but I don't think, Deborah, do we have enough time tonight?
[01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.440] I could make a brief thumbnail sketch.
[01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:06.000] Would you do that? Because for me, and I suspect for a lot of people, this is a difficult issue
[01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:11.800] because we don't have good information. We're getting information from both sides, but I've
[01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:18.000] been doing this show for a long time and I get all kinds of information and a good portion
[01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:24.920] of it is just garbage. So I don't get a lot of good information.
[01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:34.440] Can you give us kind of a brief idea of what is reasonable for us to consider so that I
[01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:42.000] can be comfortable that I'm not making my decision based on my own internal prejudices?
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:53.160] Well, at the deepest level, I can't speak to that, at least not right now. I do have
[01:05:53.160 --> 01:06:02.400] something prepared on that, but the real question is, it's not about should we or should we
[01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:13.000] not? Or is it a good idea? Or is it thoughtful or considerate of other people's feelings?
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:21.560] That's not the issue. The issue is, it's not even an issue of, well, some doctors think
[01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:29.000] it might be a good idea. That's not even the issue either. The issue is, do our public
[01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:40.680] servants have the authority to forcefully impose this on us even if there's unspoken
[01:06:40.680 --> 01:06:53.160] or written penalties? That's the issue. And if they're mandating that on businesses, then
[01:06:53.160 --> 01:07:02.080] how does that translate to us? Because, Randy, you said a couple weeks ago when we were talking
[01:07:02.080 --> 01:07:11.360] about this, that if by their actions, it infringes on the liberties of the individual, then it
[01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:18.800] amounts to the same thing as if they're directly issuing a mandate that infringes on the liberty
[01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.400] of the individual. Because they're going to impose...
[01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:22.400] Businesses into law enforcement.
[01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.800] Yes. If they're going to impose this upon the business...
[01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:32.480] If there were a business to deny me in my rights, so they're not doing it directly, well,
[01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:39.320] they'll make any difference. They're still doing it. The governor doesn't want to come
[01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:46.480] to me and say, you can't do this. You can't go into this business without a mask on. He
[01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:52.440] can't do that, so he goes to this business and says, you have to deny that guy's right
[01:07:52.440 --> 01:08:00.360] because I can't. He's denying my right anyway by proxy. That was what I was talking about
[01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.360] there.
[01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:02.360] Yeah.
[01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:11.320] But that wasn't what I'm here. I want to make sure I make good decisions based on good
[01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:18.800] facts. And I don't want to say, you can't do that. You don't have a right to do that
[01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:25.920] just because you don't have a right to do that. I want to be able to say, there are
[01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:37.120] times when it would be best for me and the people around me that I give up some right
[01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:47.560] or some privilege for the good of everyone around me. If I have some... If I have anthrax
[01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:56.160] or some highly communicable disease and I know that, I can't walk around in public and
[01:08:56.160 --> 01:08:58.960] put everybody at risk.
[01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:06.480] What if you find out that everybody that's scared of you having anthrax is actually scared
[01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:11.360] that you don't have it and they're scared that you do? That's what you're talking about.
[01:09:11.360 --> 01:09:16.840] It's like your son being respectful to the people because they think maybe there's going
[01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:22.120] to be a problem and maybe they're going to have to confront and he wants to out of respect
[01:09:22.120 --> 01:09:29.880] for them, not have them have to do that. But there is no problem. This is not like the
[01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:36.640] anthrax thing. This is like an appearance of the mask doesn't actually do anything.
[01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:37.640] Yeah.
[01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:47.720] Listen, it's more than just does the mask do or not do anything. It has to do with this
[01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:57.240] whole perception that asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people are going to kill everyone. And so
[01:09:57.240 --> 01:10:04.320] everyone has to wear a mask because you might have it and not know it and you might kill
[01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:12.920] somebody. Oh, the horror. But there's no proof. There's no evidence. So it doesn't fall along
[01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:24.320] the lines of the strict guidance and procedures and protocols of the health and safety code
[01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:31.680] or the government code in our state. Period. Because there's no proof of anything. We're
[01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:39.400] not talking about dead bodies piling up in the street because anybody who takes a whiff
[01:10:39.400 --> 01:10:48.200] of something is going to fall down dead at an age of 90% death rate. You've got to realize
[01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:55.200] people this whole thing goes back to the hospitals. The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed.
[01:10:55.200 --> 01:11:00.320] Oh, the horror. The hospitals. We have to protect the hospitals. Okay. We know what
[01:11:00.320 --> 01:11:06.480] in the Texas health and safety code, at least here in this state, hospitals are designated
[01:11:06.480 --> 01:11:12.680] as critical infrastructure. And so if there's a disaster declared, an emergency, something
[01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:21.200] like that at the county, state, local, jurisdictional level, then that invokes all of this authority,
[01:11:21.200 --> 01:11:27.160] of all of the bureaucracy to come in and do all these things to protect critical infrastructure
[01:11:27.160 --> 01:11:35.440] of natural gas, water, electricity, hospitals, on and on and on. Okay. Well, the thing is
[01:11:35.440 --> 01:11:44.560] if they're going to impose something to take away some people's rights on a mass scale,
[01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:51.120] they have to pass jurisdictional, I'm sorry, they have to pass jurisprudence muster of
[01:11:51.120 --> 01:11:59.400] three things. They have to prove that there is a compelling governmental interest. They
[01:11:59.400 --> 01:12:06.160] have to prove that it is narrowly tailored. And they also have to prove that it is the
[01:12:06.160 --> 01:12:13.120] least restrictive means to accomplish the goal. So what is the goal? To spread out the
[01:12:13.120 --> 01:12:19.600] infectious rates so that the critical infrastructure of the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. That's
[01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:25.760] what it, that's the story that it all boils down to. Everyone who's going to get it is
[01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:30.600] going to get it. Period. It's just a matter of time. Everyone who's going to live or die
[01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:37.680] as a result, it's going to be the same thing. The whole thing is about making sure that
[01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:43.040] the critical infrastructure of the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. Okay. And so if they're
[01:12:43.040 --> 01:12:49.560] going to make everyone wear masks, then they have to prove how does that relate to a compelling
[01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:56.120] governmental interest of protecting the critical infrastructure of the hospitals? When this
[01:12:56.120 --> 01:13:04.040] ridiculous hoax went on for six, seven months with no masks and the hospitals are not overwhelmed
[01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:08.920] and now they wanted to make us wear masks. So I challenge that there is even a compelling
[01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:16.480] governmental interest in the first place regarding this issue. And number two, you want to talk
[01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:25.160] about narrowly tailored. Well, that means that if they're, Oh, no, no, this is, this
[01:13:25.160 --> 01:13:33.720] is called the triad test, which is called the strict scrutiny of the US Supreme Court
[01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:41.080] when they look at either federal, state, local, whatever of infringing on people's rights
[01:13:41.080 --> 01:13:49.240] for the sake or the cause of an emergency or disaster. This is well adjudicated. And
[01:13:49.240 --> 01:13:57.200] so we have to pass the next test of what's called the narrowly tailored. That means it
[01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:04.320] can't be overbroad. So in other words, they can't make everyone wear, you know, a bubble
[01:14:04.320 --> 01:14:09.400] if what they really are trying to accomplish is to keep people from coughing on each other.
[01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:17.400] Right. So, but the narrowly tailored rule also says that it has to accomplish a goal.
[01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:25.920] Well, guess what? There's a 10% preventative rate of people wearing masks. As far as if
[01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:32.600] I have the virus, am I going to pass it to you if I wear some ridiculous piece of cloth
[01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:40.640] in my face? All right. So I'm sorry. It doesn't pass the narrowly tailored rule because it
[01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:47.360] doesn't do anything. It doesn't accomplish a goal. And I'll talk about the third test
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[01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:13.360] Oh, come on.
[01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:43.000] If I can't get everything I want, we'll get a great chance. If I can't get everything
[01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:56.520] I need, we'll get a great chance. If people in the world can't get happiness and peace,
[01:17:56.520 --> 01:18:10.320] we'll get a great chance. If we can't get all these crazy wars to see, we'll get a great
[01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:24.000] chance. If we can't get everything we want, we'll get a great chance. If we can't get
[01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:37.320] all these crazy wars to see, we'll get a great chance. If we can't get all these crazy wars
[01:18:37.320 --> 01:18:49.120] to see, we'll get a great chance. If we can't get all these crazy wars to see, we'll get
[01:18:49.120 --> 01:19:00.840] a great chance. If we can't get all these crazy wars to see, we'll get a great chance.
[01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:05.840] They're not based on good science.
[01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:10.840] Let's go back to the three requirements.
[01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:11.840] Right.
[01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:21.840] Well, so I was talking about if the government is going to impose on a protected right, and
[01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:28.840] it has to be a fundamental right, not just liberty in general.
[01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:33.840] It has to be a fundamental right that the government is imposing upon.
[01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.840] It has to pass the strict scrutiny test.
[01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:43.840] And so if we're going to challenge the mask or anything else, we have to show that there
[01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:53.840] is a fundamental right that is being imposed upon, and that is defined somewhat by case
[01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.840] law, but it's an ongoing process.
[01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:02.840] And so I talked about the compelling governmental interest, like say, for example, compelling
[01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:08.840] governmental interest to protect our life, liberty and property, okay, even Ron Paul says.
[01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:17.840] So that's why when you live in a municipality, the municipality will not let you build an
[01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:21.840] outhouse in your backyard or a septic tank or something.
[01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.840] You have to subscribe to the city water and sewer service because if you don't, they're
[01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:33.840] not going to let you build a well and a septic tank in your backyard in a dense urban area
[01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:38.840] because you're going to, you could potentially poison and kill people.
[01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:39.840] All right.
[01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:44.840] That's, hey, that's the price you pay for living in a city.
[01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:50.840] You're going to voluntarily waive some of your ultimate absolute rights to do what you
[01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:57.840] want on your property because you cannot poison the water supply and kill other people.
[01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:58.840] Period.
[01:20:58.840 --> 01:20:59.840] That's just the way it is.
[01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:06.840] If you want to do, you know, build an outhouse in a septic tank, go buy a 100 acre land out
[01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:07.840] in the country.
[01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:08.840] Fine.
[01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:09.840] Have a good one.
[01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:19.840] And so the, the ideology here is that if you might have this virus, then you might kill
[01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:20.840] someone.
[01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:21.840] Okay.
[01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:27.840] Well, might and maybe is a big difference from you have it.
[01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:28.840] Okay.
[01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:35.840] As soon as contamination, there is, there can be drawn a direct link.
[01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:36.840] A direct link.
[01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:37.840] Yes.
[01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:43.840] And in the Texas health and safety code, if you're specifically diagnosed with some
[01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:45.840] certain thing, okay?
[01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:56.840] Then the, that bureaucracy has the authority under statute to impose an individual under
[01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.840] certain quarantine measures.
[01:21:58.840 --> 01:21:59.840] Okay.
[01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:06.840] It's called control measures because they can't let people run around and kill people.
[01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:07.840] All right.
[01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.840] Either intentionally or not intentionally.
[01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:13.840] And so that's the deal.
[01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:22.840] When you're talking about an issue of maybe and might and the science is debatable and
[01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:28.840] there's studies that say this and the studies that say that and what's the percentage rate
[01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:36.840] of the, you know, the transmitability of, you know, pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic people.
[01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:43.840] And okay, so you start breaking this down with, as far as the numbers and the statistics
[01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:49.840] is making everyone 25 million people in the state of Texas wear a mask.
[01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:56.840] Is that going to accomplish the compelling governmental interest goal of protecting
[01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:02.840] and preserving the hospital infrastructure to make sure it doesn't get overwhelmed?
[01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:04.840] Well, I don't see it.
[01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:10.840] I don't see how that is going to accomplish the stated compelling governmental interest
[01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:11.840] goal.
[01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:13.840] I don't see how it's narrowly tailored.
[01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:14.840] Okay.
[01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:22.840] I don't see that it is sufficient because there's all these exceptions for protests and religious
[01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:28.840] gatherings and when you go to a restaurant and this and that and on and on and on.
[01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.840] When you look at it, it's like the list of exceptions is so long.
[01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.840] It's like, well, why are we doing this at all?
[01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:36.840] Okay.
[01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:37.840] It doesn't.
[01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:41.840] Is there any science to support their suppositions?
[01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:49.840] There is not one single study to support the supposition that wearing a mask will prevent
[01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:57.840] transmission of the so-called, you know, bad virus from person who's wearing a mask to
[01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:58.840] somebody else.
[01:23:58.840 --> 01:23:59.840] Okay.
[01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:01.840] There is not one study.
[01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:05.840] They have to go on influenza studies.
[01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.840] I mean, come on, people.
[01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.840] Can we have a little bit of common sense here?
[01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:14.840] You're going to put some random, you know, cloth over your face.
[01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:17.840] You think it's going to do anything?
[01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:27.840] I mean, they have to prove that it is efficacious to accomplish the goal, the stated goal, narrowly
[01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:34.840] tailored, and they also have to prove that whatever they want to do is going to be the
[01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:42.840] least restrictive means possible to accomplish the goal of, you know, the compelling governmental
[01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:43.840] interest.
[01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:48.840] Well, when you break down the math, when you run the statistics, when you run the numbers,
[01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:55.840] even with their own inflated bogus numbers, it's a bunch of BS.
[01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:56.840] Okay.
[01:24:56.840 --> 01:24:59.840] It doesn't accomplish the goal.
[01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:00.840] Okay.
[01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:07.840] We're talking a one-to-one ratio, all right, because if you take into account at least
[01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:13.840] the studies that I've seen, peer-reviewed studies about what is the transmitability rate of
[01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:16.840] asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people.
[01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:22.840] It's from 10% to maybe 35% at the most.
[01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:23.840] Okay.
[01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:33.840] We're talking a 20% infectious rate, and with all the social distancing and all the retardedness
[01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:41.840] that's going on, when you break down the math, it's like, okay, well, and it has to do with
[01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.680] close contact, too.
[01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.840] Close contact is the key without a mask.
[01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:52.680] Well, how many people do you come in close contact with without a mask?
[01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:55.680] With me, it's only one person, and that's my husband.
[01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:56.680] All right.
[01:25:56.680 --> 01:26:00.160] Well, with other people, they may come in close contact with their children.
[01:26:00.160 --> 01:26:01.160] Okay.
[01:26:01.160 --> 01:26:06.920] It's like, let's just estimate five, six people at most that you come in really close contact
[01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:07.920] with.
[01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:15.040] And if you have the so-called faint at a 20% to 30%, let's just say 20% infectious rate
[01:26:15.040 --> 01:26:19.600] or even 30% infectious rate, you break down the algebraic equation.
[01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:21.080] It's a one-to-one.
[01:26:21.080 --> 01:26:22.080] Okay.
[01:26:22.080 --> 01:26:27.440] So, the people that are asymptomatic that are coming in close contact with maybe five,
[01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:35.280] six people, the 20%, you're going to end up with a one-to-one equation as far as how
[01:26:35.280 --> 01:26:40.360] many people are going to infect, how many asymptomatic people are going to actually really
[01:26:40.360 --> 01:26:46.000] legitimately infect other people without a mask.
[01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:50.160] And they're going to make 25 million people in the state of Texas wear a mask.
[01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:52.280] You have to be kidding me.
[01:26:52.280 --> 01:26:58.200] That does not fit the narrowly tailored rule of the U.S. Supreme Court.
[01:26:58.200 --> 01:27:06.880] It does not fit the least restrictive means possible rule of the U.S. Supreme Court, period.
[01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:08.400] What does the least restrictive means?
[01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:09.400] You know what it is?
[01:27:09.400 --> 01:27:10.400] Do nothing.
[01:27:10.400 --> 01:27:12.880] Just carry on about your business.
[01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.760] Maybe a little social distancing.
[01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:22.960] Maybe, you know, not have, you know, 50,000 people at auditorium shores for ACL or Southwest
[01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:23.960] or something.
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:24.960] Listen.
[01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:25.960] There's an agenda here.
[01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:27.960] Why do you want to make everyone mad?
[01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:28.960] This is BS.
[01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:30.960] I'm sorry.
[01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:31.960] I'm mad.
[01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:32.960] I'm not doing it.
[01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.680] I've studied the science.
[01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:41.200] And there's people that are suing our governor over it and other governors, it will not pass
[01:27:41.200 --> 01:27:45.920] constitutional muster or the Texas Health and Safety Code in this state.
[01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:54.520] With that being said, we'll be right back.
[01:27:54.520 --> 01:28:00.000] A top cybersecurity expert has a warning for America.
[01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:05.280] If you build an electrical smart grid, the hackers will come and they could cause a catastrophic
[01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:06.280] blackout.
[01:28:06.280 --> 01:28:36.240] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back with the shocking details in a moment.
[01:28:36.240 --> 01:28:40.640] Let's start over with Start Page.
[01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:44.600] Governments love power, so it's only natural they'd want to control the power going into
[01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.160] your home, too, with a smart grid.
[01:28:47.160 --> 01:28:51.360] So they're installing a national network of smart meters to remotely monitor electric
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[01:28:54.480 --> 01:28:59.200] But cybersecurity expert David Chalk says not so fast if we make the national power
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[01:29:03.440 --> 01:29:08.480] And remotely they could tap in and black out the entire nation, leaving us vulnerable to
[01:29:08.480 --> 01:29:09.480] our enemies.
[01:29:09.480 --> 01:29:13.720] I've long opposed smart meters for privacy and health reasons.
[01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:18.240] The catastrophic failures caused by hackers, there's nothing smart about that.
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[01:32:06.360 --> 01:32:13.360] to Tina in California, and Owen O'Bray was talking about, you know, this is a concern
[01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:16.520] I had when I was looking at the studies.
[01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:23.600] I had a study of someone who was asymptomatic, actually had the virus but did not display
[01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:34.120] any symptoms, and they said of this many people that he interacted with, X percentage of them
[01:32:34.120 --> 01:32:40.280] came down with coronavirus, and then I had a guy who was pre-symptomatic, or a group
[01:32:40.280 --> 01:32:45.520] that they studied, and they interacted with this many people, and this percentage came
[01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:47.760] down with it, which was somewhat higher.
[01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:55.400] But what I did not see is a standard deviation, and in statistics before you can compare things
[01:32:55.400 --> 01:32:57.640] you need a standard deviation.
[01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:04.880] So take this guy that did not have symptoms and never came down with it, and he interacted
[01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:09.360] with a hundred people, how many of those people came down with it?
[01:33:09.360 --> 01:33:13.920] Now we know how many people are going to come down with it anyway, so we subtract that from
[01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:16.200] the asymptomatic and the pre-symptomatic.
[01:33:16.200 --> 01:33:25.160] Asymptomatic in this study was 8%, pre-symptomatic was 14%, what was the standard deviation?
[01:33:25.160 --> 01:33:27.800] What was the guy who didn't have it at all?
[01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:35.480] If that's 5 or 6 or 7%, now you're looking at 3 to 9% get it?
[01:33:35.480 --> 01:33:41.280] That's not statistically sufficient to support anything.
[01:33:41.280 --> 01:33:47.400] Now wait a minute, wait a minute, they shut the hospitals down, they shut the hospitals
[01:33:47.400 --> 01:33:50.080] down seeing everybody home.
[01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:55.640] The odds kept the coronavirus section's open, so all of these health workers are sitting
[01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:02.760] at home, the hospitals are losing tremendous amounts of money, and the hospitals are not
[01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:06.560] getting overwhelmed.
[01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:14.640] Even if the critical infrastructure of the hospitals is getting overwhelmed by this thing,
[01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:24.760] the real question is does the government really have a justification on this?
[01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:29.840] Are the hospitals really getting overwhelmed here?
[01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:43.320] Because if they are, then my question is what are you guys doing wrong?
[01:34:43.320 --> 01:34:55.840] There are multitudes of studies out there that show that there are numerous treatments
[01:34:55.840 --> 01:35:02.680] that get people over this thing very quickly, and so I mean we're talking about different
[01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:11.680] asthma medications, different antioxidants, different antibacterials, antiviruses, generic
[01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:20.120] this and that, even minerals, and inhaling this and that, and so the point is with all
[01:35:20.120 --> 01:35:26.680] of these doctors coming out on all of these news outlets saying this and that and this
[01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:34.440] and that are getting people over this, and yet the critical infrastructure of the hospitals
[01:35:34.440 --> 01:35:36.600] is still getting overwhelmed.
[01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:45.120] Oh my, well obviously, hold on, hold on, obviously you guys are doing something wrong, and so
[01:35:45.120 --> 01:35:50.280] you're going to take away my liberty, you're going to take away my rights, and tell me that
[01:35:50.280 --> 01:35:56.840] I have to do this and that, or I have to wear a mask, or I cannot work, when you guys are
[01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:01.880] the ones that can't figure out the problem, when we already know what the solution is,
[01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:08.280] I'm sorry, that does not pass jurisprudence of case law.
[01:36:08.280 --> 01:36:12.120] But obviously evidence of other curies is all anecdotal.
[01:36:12.120 --> 01:36:18.760] Oh yeah, that's right, all of our evidence of transmission rates, well that's a bit
[01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:20.560] anecdotal as well.
[01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:24.320] Yeah, it's all anecdotal, everything is anecdotal, okay?
[01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:29.160] They're doing the scientific test, that's what I couldn't find.
[01:36:29.160 --> 01:36:36.000] Okay, well and the side, besides the, I'm the governor, I need something definitive
[01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:43.520] that tells me that what I'm about to do is warranted based on the science, where's that
[01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:44.520] science?
[01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:50.760] Here's where it goes, Randy, and this is what I've been saying for a long time, everyone,
[01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:56.280] the governor of these states and the heads of their health departments of the states,
[01:36:56.280 --> 01:37:03.200] and on and on and on, the counties, the county judges, the mayors, everyone points back to
[01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:16.120] the CDC, as long as the CDC recommends this and that, then the government imposes it and
[01:37:16.120 --> 01:37:22.760] then they are justified, okay, because that's CDC recommendations, they said, okay?
[01:37:22.760 --> 01:37:29.600] And so then they're off the hook legally supposedly, and I say supposedly with a B because I'm
[01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:31.600] being sarcastic, okay?
[01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:37.960] I know the word is really supposedly, okay, but supposedly they are off the hook because
[01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:43.640] they do what the CDC says, yeah well we shall see, okay, we shall see because you're taking
[01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:53.640] away my rights and the science is debatable, it's dubious at best, I don't see the compelling
[01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:58.080] governmental interest, I don't see the narrowly tailored, I don't see that it is at least
[01:37:58.080 --> 01:38:03.680] restrictive means and as far as where's the CDC science, you go to their website and they
[01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:15.320] have at the end, you know, a page of like maybe 20 or so links of abstracts to scientific
[01:38:15.320 --> 01:38:23.160] studies, even on their own website, you go to those links, you go to read those studies,
[01:38:23.160 --> 01:38:29.400] they're dubious, okay, they're just making this up as it go along, but because the CDC,
[01:38:29.400 --> 01:38:37.480] oh we have to do what they say and the thing is medical doctors, alipas, they will lose
[01:38:37.480 --> 01:38:42.840] their license if they don't tell the line of the CDC, all right, they have to go along
[01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:51.880] with it and you cannot be a public servant in this state or in this, any other state
[01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:58.960] of this country, as far as being in the health department of a, you know, county health authority
[01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:07.400] or state health or whatever, you cannot be in a head of position as a public servant
[01:39:07.400 --> 01:39:16.640] unless you have an allopathic MD license, okay, by the medical board of the state and
[01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:24.880] guess, guess, guess, guess what, you don't get anywhere unless you count out to the CDC
[01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.840] and so everything goes back to the CDC and they're not even a governmental entity and
[01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:37.760] so we have to break the tie, we have to break this illusion that everyone has to do what
[01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:42.600] the CDC says and you know how we're going to get there, show me the compelling governmental
[01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:47.200] interest, show me the science, show me how it's narrowly tailored, I want to see how
[01:39:47.200 --> 01:39:52.400] it actually works, is it over broad and if it's not over broad, does it actually do
[01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:58.680] the job, I mean, let's just say, what if they wanted to say everyone has to wear, you know,
[01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:06.960] a little black hat and that's going to stop it, well that may not be over, that may not
[01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:11.840] be, yeah, that may not be over broad, they're not making us, you know, wear this like tent
[01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:17.600] around our whole entire body but narrowly tailored means also that it has to come to
[01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:22.280] a goal, how's it going to do anything, like if I put on a pair of blue sunglasses, is
[01:40:22.280 --> 01:40:26.600] the government going to tell me, we're blue sunglasses now, that's going to stop, that's
[01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:31.280] going to protect the critical infrastructure of the hospitals, oh really, well it's about
[01:40:31.280 --> 01:40:37.480] the same thing that these masks are going to do, nothing, okay, we have to stop it now.
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[01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:13.560] Okay, this is the rule of law.
[01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:18.240] I am Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton and Brett Fountain.
[01:43:18.240 --> 01:43:26.560] Normally, we would have one segment left, but we have callers on the line, so Shane
[01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:31.480] and Robert Taylor and Tina, please hold on because we will take your calls.
[01:43:31.480 --> 01:43:37.360] We're going to go into overtime, but I just wanted to make one last comment here concerning
[01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:44.880] this isn't about, is it a good idea, or should we take care of people's feelings?
[01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:50.680] This is about, what does the government have the authority to do?
[01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:56.400] And do they have the authority that, have we delegated the government authority to travel
[01:43:56.400 --> 01:43:59.400] upon our rights in any particular situation?
[01:43:59.400 --> 01:44:07.280] And if we have, then let's look at that and go according to the case law, and here I don't
[01:44:07.280 --> 01:44:15.280] see it, okay, because this is not just about what's a good idea.
[01:44:15.280 --> 01:44:21.200] And going back to what we were discussing earlier about procedure, and I will cover
[01:44:21.200 --> 01:44:28.560] this some more next week, very important case here in Texas regarding these masks, very
[01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:35.800] important points, and good science, and the Texas Supreme Court issued a five-page ruling
[01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:38.080] where they accepted the case.
[01:44:38.080 --> 01:44:47.840] They did not deny the petition, but they dismissed it, they agreed that they had jurisdiction,
[01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:52.440] but they dismissed the case, well actually, I'm sorry, I'll be back up, they agreed that
[01:44:52.440 --> 01:45:00.200] it had merit to approach the court, but they dismissed the case for want of subject matter
[01:45:00.200 --> 01:45:07.880] of jurisdiction because the plaintiffs approached the court via the wrong procedure, because
[01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:15.760] they filed an original petition for writ of mandamus, and that's why I have a little bit
[01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:24.480] of a sore spot on this writ of mandamus thing, because very, very, very important issue here,
[01:45:24.480 --> 01:45:31.480] and the Supreme Court clearly wanted to shoot down this overbearing, overreaching draconian
[01:45:31.480 --> 01:45:38.320] measures that this particular public servant has implemented here in the state.
[01:45:38.320 --> 01:45:43.720] But the court's hands were tied because the plaintiffs did not invoke the subject matter
[01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:47.240] of jurisdiction of the court, because they approached them with an original petition
[01:45:47.240 --> 01:45:53.760] for writ of mandamus, they should have gone through the standard appellate procedure.
[01:45:53.760 --> 01:46:00.840] So anyway, I just wanted to wrap up with that, that we are well within our rights.
[01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:08.480] Look up strict scrutiny regarding Supreme Court issues, look up rational relation when it
[01:46:08.480 --> 01:46:17.560] comes to Supreme Court issues as far as testing, what kind of tests they impose, as far as
[01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:24.480] does the governmental entity have the authority to do this and that, look up intermediate
[01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:33.000] scrutiny, and it's all about invoking a right, and it's all about approaching the court
[01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:38.480] via the proper procedure, because we have a right to do this.
[01:46:38.480 --> 01:46:44.760] And if y'all want to take care of people's feelings in your own personal lives, that's
[01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:47.800] a different story.
[01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:53.520] The question is, what does the government have the authority to impose upon us?
[01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:57.920] I agree, that is the right question to ask.
[01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:07.880] The government code apparently gives the governor authority to issue extraordinary orders in
[01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:09.920] an emergency.
[01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:16.280] But the state legislature has no power to authorize the governor of any state to violate
[01:47:16.280 --> 01:47:18.720] a federal constitutional prohibition.
[01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:24.880] Well actually, Randy, the Texas Supreme Court sided with the plaintiff on the merits of this
[01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:30.880] particular case regarding shutting down businesses here in Texas.
[01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:37.040] There was a constitutional challenge of the statute of section 14 of the government code
[01:47:37.040 --> 01:47:44.480] saying that it was unconstitutional that only Congress can legislate this and that, and
[01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:47.320] the Supreme Court actually agreed with the plaintiff.
[01:47:47.320 --> 01:47:48.320] It was shocking.
[01:47:48.320 --> 01:47:52.360] Go and read the case, we'll talk about it next week.
[01:47:52.360 --> 01:47:53.360] I'll send it to you.
[01:47:53.360 --> 01:47:58.480] But the Supreme Court actually agreed with the plaintiff on the merits that the statute
[01:47:58.480 --> 01:48:01.480] itself is unconstitutional.
[01:48:01.480 --> 01:48:04.480] But the courts hands are tied, they couldn't do anything about it.
[01:48:04.480 --> 01:48:06.600] So we need to untie their hands.
[01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:09.040] Because they approach with the wrong procedure.
[01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:17.440] And this is an attorney representing a group with deep pockets, and I don't want to bash
[01:48:17.440 --> 01:48:18.440] the attorney.
[01:48:18.440 --> 01:48:21.080] I read the documents.
[01:48:21.080 --> 01:48:23.360] He did a really good job.
[01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:29.720] I hope that he's going to do a motion for leave to refile either late file on amendment
[01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:37.920] to the Supreme Court, but there is a rehearing scheduled in front of the Texas Supreme Court
[01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:41.360] on August 3rd on this particular case.
[01:48:41.360 --> 01:48:42.880] So we'll see how it goes.
[01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:52.880] But there are like two dozen cases against our governor on various issues, now I'm revealing
[01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:55.720] who the public servant is in question.
[01:48:55.720 --> 01:49:02.160] But there are like two dozen cases against this public servant right now.
[01:49:02.160 --> 01:49:07.720] And I don't think it's going to get away with it.
[01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:08.720] Good.
[01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:09.720] I hope not.
[01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:10.720] We are out of time.
[01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:11.720] Okay.
[01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:12.720] We're ready outside.
[01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:19.320] Let's take the calls and we'll go into overtime since we were on our soapbox.
[01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:26.320] Okay, Deb, Katina, do you have anything else for us to do?
[01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:29.320] You started this.
[01:49:29.320 --> 01:49:36.320] In order, who would you?
[01:49:36.320 --> 01:49:40.320] Did you say the word mask, Katina?
[01:49:40.320 --> 01:49:41.320] Yes.
[01:49:41.320 --> 01:49:43.320] I do agree with Deb.
[01:49:43.320 --> 01:49:53.320] I believe most, all of this is political, but my situation is I just have to be just
[01:49:53.320 --> 01:49:58.320] a little bit careful and respectful I am living in.
[01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:00.320] That's a different issue.
[01:50:00.320 --> 01:50:02.320] That's your choice.
[01:50:02.320 --> 01:50:03.320] My choice.
[01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:09.320] And what we were talking about is where the government says we don't have that choice to
[01:50:09.320 --> 01:50:10.320] make.
[01:50:10.320 --> 01:50:13.320] Yeah, I know, and I don't think they have the right to do that.
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:19.320] But remember, Governor Newsom in our state is some kind of, is related in some way to
[01:50:19.320 --> 01:50:21.320] Nancy Pelosi.
[01:50:21.320 --> 01:50:24.320] And somebody's put out a petition to recall him.
[01:50:24.320 --> 01:50:28.320] He just got a little power hungry.
[01:50:28.320 --> 01:50:30.320] But then we are coming forward.
[01:50:30.320 --> 01:50:32.320] That's a problem all over the country.
[01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:33.320] Okay.
[01:50:33.320 --> 01:50:34.320] Do you have anything else?
[01:50:34.320 --> 01:50:35.320] We do need to move along.
[01:50:35.320 --> 01:50:45.320] I think that if people can watch, go on to www.thecon.tv.
[01:50:45.320 --> 01:50:49.320] And Katina has sent me an email on that.
[01:50:49.320 --> 01:50:55.320] If you want to find a link to it, send me an email and ask for it.
[01:50:55.320 --> 01:50:58.320] I will forward her email to you.
[01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:04.320] And I think it will help everybody get really angry about what's going on now because they
[01:51:04.320 --> 01:51:10.320] are going to go into that as well on the end of the Fight Club series.
[01:51:10.320 --> 01:51:11.320] Okay.
[01:51:11.320 --> 01:51:13.320] And now the government's letters down.
[01:51:13.320 --> 01:51:16.320] So thank you and have a great evening.
[01:51:16.320 --> 01:51:17.320] Okay.
[01:51:17.320 --> 01:51:18.320] Thank you, Katina.
[01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:21.320] Now we're going to go to Robert in California.
[01:51:21.320 --> 01:51:22.320] Hello, Robert.
[01:51:22.320 --> 01:51:24.320] Yes, can you hear me?
[01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:26.320] I can hear you.
[01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:27.320] Oh, good.
[01:51:27.320 --> 01:51:33.320] I had some questions for Brett about the information request.
[01:51:33.320 --> 01:51:34.320] Sure.
[01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:41.320] You know, they really don't like those information requests.
[01:51:41.320 --> 01:51:45.320] And they do everything they can to keep from answering them.
[01:51:45.320 --> 01:51:50.320] But what do you do to hold their feet to the fire?
[01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:58.320] The Public Information Act, at least in Texas and every other state I've looked at, is not
[01:51:58.320 --> 01:52:01.320] a civil statute.
[01:52:01.320 --> 01:52:03.320] It is a criminal statute.
[01:52:03.320 --> 01:52:05.320] I'm sorry, I stepped on you, Brett.
[01:52:05.320 --> 01:52:07.320] No, no problem.
[01:52:07.320 --> 01:52:10.320] That's what you were going to say.
[01:52:10.320 --> 01:52:14.320] There's a piece of it that says in Texas, I'll go look at the California here in just a
[01:52:14.320 --> 01:52:16.320] minute so I can see something similar.
[01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:22.320] In Texas it says that if somebody doesn't, there's a public official, they're custodial
[01:52:22.320 --> 01:52:28.320] records, they're supposed to respond to you and they don't within the time period.
[01:52:28.320 --> 01:52:32.320] And then they have committed official misconduct.
[01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:34.320] And it's a misdemeanor.
[01:52:34.320 --> 01:52:40.320] And the way they outline it, they don't say class B misdemeanor, but they give the equivalent
[01:52:40.320 --> 01:52:43.320] in fines and punishment in jail time.
[01:52:43.320 --> 01:52:46.320] So you can look it up and see that that's a class B misdemeanor.
[01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:48.320] Wait a minute.
[01:52:48.320 --> 01:52:52.320] Don't they say a year in prison, $10,000 fine?
[01:52:52.320 --> 01:52:53.320] I don't remember the dollar.
[01:52:53.320 --> 01:52:55.320] I remember looking through it.
[01:52:55.320 --> 01:53:02.320] It's $2.353 and it's a class A misdemeanor.
[01:53:02.320 --> 01:53:10.320] As I recall, official misconduct, official misconduct is definitely defined as a class A misdemeanor.
[01:53:10.320 --> 01:53:12.320] And 39.
[01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:16.320] Official oppression in the penal code is a class A misdemeanor.
[01:53:16.320 --> 01:53:19.320] So they've committed both of those.
[01:53:19.320 --> 01:53:20.320] Hold on.
[01:53:20.320 --> 01:53:23.320] Official misconduct, $39.02.
[01:53:23.320 --> 01:53:25.320] Official oppression is...
[01:53:25.320 --> 01:53:27.320] You're thinking of abuse of office?
[01:53:27.320 --> 01:53:29.320] Yes.
[01:53:29.320 --> 01:53:32.320] And it's a class A misdemeanor.
[01:53:32.320 --> 01:53:41.320] And as I remember, they said official misconduct and the punishment amounted to a class A.
[01:53:41.320 --> 01:53:45.320] It's the next thing to a felony.
[01:53:45.320 --> 01:53:50.320] I only got convicted of that once.
[01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:53.320] Anyway, go ahead.
[01:53:53.320 --> 01:53:56.320] So you want to hold their feet to the fire?
[01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:59.320] What have you got?
[01:53:59.320 --> 01:54:06.320] Who do you send the official misconduct to?
[01:54:06.320 --> 01:54:09.320] Well, in Texas we can take it to the Attorney General.
[01:54:09.320 --> 01:54:15.320] We can also take it to any magistrate because it's a crime.
[01:54:15.320 --> 01:54:26.320] The Attorney General, we've had in Texas, the Attorney General has been relatively responsive in dealing with that.
[01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:30.320] I don't know how it would be in every state, but...
[01:54:30.320 --> 01:54:44.320] It used to be that the Attorney General in Texas had no prosecutorial power other than a violation of the Open Records Act by a district attorney.
[01:54:44.320 --> 01:54:50.320] We'll pick up what's been changed on that, makes it better when we come back on the other side.
[01:54:50.320 --> 01:55:15.320] Randy Kelton, Brett Fountain, Denver Stevens, we'll be right back.
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