ROL_2019-08-16_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:06.760]  The following news flash is brought to you by The Lowest Star of Lowdown.
[00:06.760 --> 00:13.440]  Markets for Monday the 22nd of July 2019 open with Precious Metals, Gold $1,429.00, Silver
[00:13.440 --> 00:24.160]  $16.45.00, Copper $2.75.00, Oil, Texas Crew $55.63.00, Brent Crew $62.47.00, and Cryptos
[00:24.160 --> 00:34.760]  and Order of Market Cap, Bitcoin Core $10,566.52, Ethereum $227.26, XRP Ripple $0.33, Light
[00:34.760 --> 00:46.160]  Coin $100.31, and Bitcoin Cash is at $324.10, a crypto coin.
[00:46.160 --> 00:52.440]  In history, the year 1916, the preparedness day bombing, a timed suitcase bomb, was detonated
[00:52.440 --> 00:57.760]  on Market Street in San Francisco during the World War I preparedness day parade, killing
[00:57.760 --> 01:04.760]  10 and entering 40 today in history.
[01:04.760 --> 01:09.440]  In recent news, since Governor Greg Abbott signed House Bill 1325, legalizing hemp and
[01:09.440 --> 01:14.200]  attacks his law back in June, county prosecutors around the state, including Houston, Austin,
[01:14.200 --> 01:18.080]  and San Antonio, have been dropping marijuana possession charges and even refusing to file
[01:18.080 --> 01:22.320]  new ones since they are stipulating that they do not have the time or the laboratory
[01:22.320 --> 01:24.760]  equipment to test the herb for THC.
[01:24.760 --> 01:28.440]  Margaret Moore, the Travis County District Attorney, announced earlier this month that
[01:28.440 --> 01:33.080]  she was dismissing 32 felony possession and delivery of marijuana cases because of the
[01:33.080 --> 01:34.080]  law.
[01:34.080 --> 01:37.600]  Mr. Abbott and other state officials, including the Attorney General stipulated in a letter
[01:37.600 --> 01:42.120]  to county district attorneys back on Thursday that marijuana has not been decriminalized
[01:42.120 --> 01:48.240]  in Texas and that these actions demonstrate a misunderstanding of how HB 1325 works, as
[01:48.240 --> 01:54.520]  well as other cities, too, like the District Attorney in El Paso, Cayma Esparza, a Democrat
[01:54.520 --> 01:59.000]  who also stated earlier this month that the law, quote, will not have an effect on the
[01:59.000 --> 02:01.680]  prosecution of marijuana cases in El Paso.
[02:01.680 --> 02:06.080]  However, the issue was succinctly summarized by Mr. Brandon Ball and the assistant public
[02:06.080 --> 02:10.360]  defender in Harris County who stated that, quote, the law is constantly changing on
[02:10.360 --> 02:13.520]  what makes something illegal based on its chemical makeup.
[02:13.520 --> 02:17.400]  It's important that if someone is charged with something, the test matches with their
[02:17.400 --> 02:22.600]  charge to it.
[02:22.600 --> 02:27.440]  A paper by Tulane University identified a five and a half inch American pocket shark.
[02:27.440 --> 02:32.360]  As the first of its kind in the Gulf of Mexico, the specimen being only the second pocket
[02:32.360 --> 02:38.040]  shark ever captured or recorded with the other one being found way back in 1979 in the East
[02:38.040 --> 02:39.520]  Pacific Ocean.
[02:39.520 --> 02:43.800]  According to the university paper, the shark secretes a luminous fluid from a gland near
[02:43.800 --> 02:50.080]  its front fins for the purposes hypothesized to lure and prey who may be drawn into the
[02:50.080 --> 03:16.320]  clove.
[03:20.080 --> 03:32.080]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:32.080 --> 03:38.080]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.080 --> 03:43.080]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams, you go to school and learn to go and then lose.
[03:43.080 --> 03:49.080]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool, if you get hot, then you must include bad boys,
[03:49.080 --> 03:54.080]  bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, oh what you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.080 --> 04:00.080]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, oh what you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:00.080 --> 04:04.080]  Your jok circulating in circle, your jok circulating Baorbom, whatever you jok circulating,
[04:04.080 --> 04:08.080]  no, your jok circulating cooler, your jok circulating cooler, no, your jok circulating cooler,
[04:08.080 --> 04:11.080]  without con Citizen, jok circulating in circle, your jok circulating me?
[04:11.080 --> 04:17.080]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:47.080 --> 04:49.860]  What's he gonna do when you come for you?
[04:49.940 --> 04:51.240]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:51.300 --> 04:52.440]  Oh, what you gonna do
[04:52.620 --> 04:55.020]  Oh, what you gonna do when you come for you?
[04:55.120 --> 04:56.520]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:56.720 --> 04:57.900]  What you gonna do
[04:57.980 --> 05:00.580]  Oh, what you gonna do when you come take over you?
[05:00.680 --> 05:02.220]  Bad boys, bad boys
[05:02.320 --> 05:03.500]  Oh, what you gonna do
[05:03.600 --> 05:07.560]  Oh, what you gonna do when you come for you?
[05:07.560 --> 05:35.960]  Don't you know you're a human being Born of the mother with the love of the father
[05:35.960 --> 05:41.460]  Reflections come to reflection Go I know sometimes
[05:41.460 --> 05:46.960]  You wanna let go Hey, hey, hey I know sometimes
[05:46.960 --> 05:52.460]  You wanna let go Bad boys, bad boys I want you gonna be
[05:52.460 --> 05:57.960]  I want you gonna be when they come for you Bad boys, bad boys I want you gonna be
[05:57.960 --> 06:06.960]  I want you gonna be when they come for you Bad boys, bad boys I want you gonna be
[06:06.960 --> 06:17.960]  I want you gonna be when they come for you Bad boys, bad boys I want you gonna be
[06:17.960 --> 06:27.960]  I want you gonna be when they come for you Bad boys, bad boys I want you gonna be when they come for you
[06:47.960 --> 07:00.960]  I think it is that this is not something impossibly difficult complex and costly to overcome or to comply with.
[07:00.960 --> 07:16.960]  We're hoping we can do that and in the process energize the crypto space and in the process demonstrate to potential investors that our technology is a viable product.
[07:16.960 --> 07:21.960]  I have a caller and I want to test that call to make sure everything is working.
[07:21.960 --> 07:25.960]  Terrence in Florida can you hear me?
[07:25.960 --> 07:29.960]  Yes I can Randy can you hear me?
[07:29.960 --> 07:32.960]  Hello Terrence in Florida.
[07:32.960 --> 07:33.960]  I can hear you.
[07:33.960 --> 07:38.960]  That is not good I am not hearing anything.
[07:38.960 --> 07:44.960]  That tends to indicate that I'm not on the air.
[07:44.960 --> 07:50.960]  I don't have an email from anyone who would tell me if I'm on the air.
[07:50.960 --> 07:52.960]  Terrence can you hear me?
[07:52.960 --> 07:54.960]  Yes I can.
[07:54.960 --> 07:57.960]  Okay this is not good.
[07:57.960 --> 08:03.960]  The one thing I can't have is four hours of dead air.
[08:03.960 --> 08:13.960]  So if you can hear me I apologize my technology is not sufficient to handle what's going wrong here.
[08:13.960 --> 08:26.960]  So I am going to first try to go off the air and then back on the air.
[08:26.960 --> 08:41.960]  I don't see timed events up I'm going to have to push the panic button.
[08:41.960 --> 08:52.960]  Okay.
[08:52.960 --> 09:03.960]  I don't hear anything.
[09:03.960 --> 09:13.960]  Okay Randy Kelton I apologize for the delay we're having a little issues here getting everything up and going.
[09:13.960 --> 09:21.960]  This is Friday the 16th day of August I believe I'm losing track.
[09:21.960 --> 09:29.960]  Anyway 16th day of August 2019 and today I'm especially excited.
[09:29.960 --> 09:37.960]  I have a special guest today and over the years if you've listened to my show.
[09:37.960 --> 09:48.960]  I've gotten a bit of flack from the fact that I don't like villainizing anyone and especially the police.
[09:48.960 --> 09:57.960]  When I tell people that the police aren't the bad guys that they're trapped inside this system just like we are.
[09:57.960 --> 10:07.960]  Sometimes my listeners don't like to hear that but if we're to improve this system if we're to get things working right.
[10:07.960 --> 10:16.960]  We need to figure out what's really going on and I have someone who can talk to us about what is really going on.
[10:16.960 --> 10:27.960]  Our special guest is Damon Jones he is a longtime police chief and currently he's one of us.
[10:27.960 --> 10:36.960]  He's out testing the police to ensure that they're following the code the way they're supposed to.
[10:36.960 --> 10:42.960]  I'm sure Damon you can explain this better than me.
[10:42.960 --> 10:49.960]  Go ahead. Yes sir thank you for having me on it's quite an honor to be on your show.
[10:49.960 --> 10:56.960]  I've been in the law enforcement field for 40 years I retired last February.
[10:56.960 --> 11:09.960]  I retired as a chief of police twice in Florida and I retired as a deputy sheriff in Leon County Florida due to a line of injury stopping homicide and progress.
[11:09.960 --> 11:19.960]  Then I got back in in Alabama as the chief deputy constable and I retired from that last year and it come to my attention.
[11:19.960 --> 11:30.960]  I mean I've known over the years that there were officers that didn't quite know what to do or they thought they knew what to do and they were wrong.
[11:30.960 --> 11:47.960]  So I spent probably two thirds of my career answering calls of all time today at night for a supervisor or backup and I'd get there and I'd say what you're doing ain't right.
[11:47.960 --> 11:57.960]  But you know I had the common decency and home folk style kind of like Andy Griffiths from the Andy Griffiths show.
[11:57.960 --> 12:09.960]  I knew my people both police and the people and I would simply say to the man or woman could you excuse me for a moment while I talk to my officer.
[12:09.960 --> 12:16.960]  Sure I go back and talk to him out of earshot and say look this isn't a good stop.
[12:16.960 --> 12:18.960]  This ain't being handled right.
[12:18.960 --> 12:26.960]  What do you want to do so we can fix this because I see you going down a bad road and I see there being trouble.
[12:26.960 --> 12:29.960]  So I'd go from suggestions.
[12:29.960 --> 12:37.960]  I'd go back and tell him you know I'm either the sergeant or the captain or the assistant chief or chief whatever my position was.
[12:37.960 --> 12:44.960]  And this officer called me because there was an issue or communication gap or something.
[12:44.960 --> 12:53.960]  We have now resolved that and I'm going to let the officer speak to you and I'm going to wait here until this is resolved.
[12:53.960 --> 13:00.960]  And usually the officer would do it and that was usually the end of it.
[13:00.960 --> 13:16.960]  But I started in Dallas Texas in 1978 as a Dallas police cadet explorer and I was taught by police that had been in the 50s and 60s before the Miranda warning came out.
[13:16.960 --> 13:35.960]  And their style of law enforcement or being peace officers, officers of the peace truly through the fair and righteous application of the laws of Texas.
[13:35.960 --> 13:39.960]  And observing people's constitutes for rights.
[13:39.960 --> 13:48.960]  But in a kind of state that way in the mid 80s there was a little bit of change, nothing drastic.
[13:48.960 --> 13:57.960]  We were still referred to as peace officers or sheriff deputies or policemen, whatever our title was or officer.
[13:57.960 --> 14:06.960]  But in the late, late 80s and beginning of the 90s, everybody started calling every kind of police law enforcement.
[14:06.960 --> 14:11.960]  So if you had a badge and carry the gun, you were law enforcement.
[14:11.960 --> 14:22.960]  But it truly, like in Texas, the penal code says Texas Rangers constables and sheriffs are peace officers.
[14:22.960 --> 14:24.960]  And that's agreed to by the people.
[14:24.960 --> 14:31.960]  And that's part of their compacts as the people and their delegates when Texas become a state.
[14:31.960 --> 14:38.960]  Everybody else is a legislative creature and they truly would be law enforcement officers.
[14:38.960 --> 14:40.960]  They're enforcing the law.
[14:40.960 --> 14:47.960]  They're not necessarily to keep the peace and tranquility of the community like the Rangers constables and sheriffs.
[14:47.960 --> 14:50.960]  So they're elected offices.
[14:50.960 --> 14:56.960]  The other people are appointed offices and they don't answer to the people.
[14:56.960 --> 15:10.960]  They answer to a mayor, a city manager or constitutional peace officers answer to the voters, the people that live in their districts or their county.
[15:10.960 --> 15:21.960]  So in 2001, I happened to be at the Tallahassee Regional Airport the day before 9-11.
[15:21.960 --> 15:26.960]  And everything was perfectly exactly the same as it had always been.
[15:26.960 --> 15:28.960]  Nice, peaceful, quiet.
[15:28.960 --> 15:39.960]  The day after, which would have been September the 12th, when I pulled up, they had armored vehicles up there.
[15:39.960 --> 15:45.960]  They had military, active duty military up there with fully automatic weapons.
[15:45.960 --> 15:49.960]  They had Tallahassee Police, Leon County Sheriff's Office.
[15:49.960 --> 15:54.960]  They had private security and it was like an occupied country.
[15:54.960 --> 15:57.960]  And it stayed that way for quite some time.
[15:57.960 --> 16:05.960]  And some people said they were scared, but most people said, oh, glad for this security and protection.
[16:05.960 --> 16:08.960]  And it's because I got scared.
[16:08.960 --> 16:19.960]  If we had not have had the terrorist attacks, they would have rebelled, yelled and carried on to the sheriff and the chief of police.
[16:19.960 --> 16:24.960]  Why is the military acting in a civilian capacity?
[16:24.960 --> 16:29.960]  Calling people aside, talking to them, questioning them, they had the active military doing that.
[16:29.960 --> 16:32.960]  I said, wait a minute, this is a problem.
[16:32.960 --> 16:42.960]  And I've seen that during the Bill Clinton administration, he was given away enormous amount of military apparatus to police.
[16:42.960 --> 16:52.960]  And I said, you know, he's about making local police a local militia under the color of law.
[16:52.960 --> 17:05.960]  And he's wanted them to work in civil, criminal, national disasters and everything as almost like a federalized militia on the local level.
[17:05.960 --> 17:12.960]  And so I've trained my people, we are not, we are not military.
[17:12.960 --> 17:15.960]  We are not a militia.
[17:15.960 --> 17:18.960]  We are sworn to uphold the Constitution.
[17:18.960 --> 17:22.960]  Hold on, hold on, something's wrong here.
[17:22.960 --> 17:24.960]  This thing went out.
[17:24.960 --> 17:29.960]  We're on break and it didn't give me any signal we went out.
[17:29.960 --> 17:33.960]  Oh, I could have a problem here.
[17:33.960 --> 17:38.960]  Let me see someone hit the panic button, son of a book.
[17:38.960 --> 17:42.960]  Oh, Robert, he's still messing with me.
[17:42.960 --> 17:47.960]  He won't answer his phone.
[17:47.960 --> 17:49.960]  Let me see if I can call him.
[17:49.960 --> 17:54.960]  I don't know what he's a producer that is not always here.
[17:54.960 --> 17:56.960]  Oh, this is bad.
[17:56.960 --> 18:10.960]  He's not answering his phone.
[18:10.960 --> 18:14.960]  Robert, did you hit the panic button?
[18:14.960 --> 18:17.960]  Man, you see my mouse moving.
[18:17.960 --> 18:19.960]  Don't do, don't duel with me.
[18:19.960 --> 18:21.960]  I was trying to get both of us up.
[18:21.960 --> 18:27.960]  You kept interceding with it and I couldn't get it done.
[18:27.960 --> 18:31.960]  I know, but if I'm moving the mouse, I got a reason.
[18:31.960 --> 18:32.960]  Oh, okay.
[18:32.960 --> 18:33.960]  I have a guest.
[18:33.960 --> 18:41.960]  How long is the panic button been pushed?
[18:41.960 --> 18:43.960]  Oh, man.
[18:43.960 --> 18:45.960]  Okay, brings back in after this break.
[18:45.960 --> 18:49.960]  We'll have to start over.
[18:49.960 --> 18:52.960]  Okay.
[18:52.960 --> 18:57.960]  Add yourself to the call.
[18:57.960 --> 18:59.960]  Okay, don't don't.
[18:59.960 --> 19:00.960]  Okay.
[19:00.960 --> 19:01.960]  Okay.
[19:01.960 --> 19:02.960]  Okay, leave it.
[19:02.960 --> 19:03.960]  Let me do it.
[19:03.960 --> 19:04.960]  See.
[19:04.960 --> 19:05.960]  Okay.
[19:05.960 --> 19:07.960]  Bye.
[19:07.960 --> 19:08.960]  Come on.
[19:08.960 --> 19:10.960]  Show me.
[19:10.960 --> 19:12.960]  There it is.
[19:12.960 --> 19:17.960]  And Robert.
[19:17.960 --> 19:19.960]  And.
[19:19.960 --> 19:21.960]  Okay, bringing him up.
[19:21.960 --> 19:23.960]  I'm sorry.
[19:23.960 --> 19:28.960]  That's the first time we've ever had that mix up.
[19:28.960 --> 19:29.960]  Right.
[19:29.960 --> 19:30.960]  There he is.
[19:30.960 --> 19:31.960]  Okay.
[19:31.960 --> 19:35.960]  Then bring us back in and we will start over again.
[19:35.960 --> 19:38.960]  That one was just for practice.
[19:38.960 --> 19:39.960]  Okay.
[19:39.960 --> 19:42.960]  Yeah, I hate that to happen today.
[19:42.960 --> 19:43.960]  It's on now.
[19:43.960 --> 19:44.960]  All right.
[19:44.960 --> 19:45.960]  Yeah.
[19:45.960 --> 19:47.960]  At nine o'clock, we're going to bring in one more guest.
[19:47.960 --> 19:48.960]  All right.
[19:48.960 --> 19:49.960]  Ready.
[19:49.960 --> 19:50.960]  Casey Wayland.
[19:50.960 --> 19:51.960]  I'm waiting for him.
[19:51.960 --> 19:57.960]  I sent him a contact and I'm waiting him to respond to.
[19:57.960 --> 19:59.960]  Show it back on.
[19:59.960 --> 20:00.960]  So you ready?
[20:00.960 --> 20:01.960]  I'm ready.
[20:01.960 --> 20:02.960]  All right.
[20:02.960 --> 20:08.960]  Here we go.
[20:08.960 --> 20:18.960]  Double click the live button.
[20:18.960 --> 20:20.960]  I did.
[20:20.960 --> 20:24.960]  You're on.
[20:24.960 --> 20:26.960]  Okay.
[20:26.960 --> 20:31.960]  I think we're on where we're having a little issue with the control board today.
[20:31.960 --> 20:37.960]  I got my producer really confused and Debbie's going to beat me up when she gets back.
[20:37.960 --> 20:38.960]  Okay.
[20:38.960 --> 20:40.960]  This is Randy Calton.
[20:40.960 --> 20:43.960]  We will radio and I apologize for that first segment.
[20:43.960 --> 20:49.960]  We had an archive in because we were having issues, but I think we've got everything straightened out now.
[20:49.960 --> 20:50.960]  Randy Calton.
[20:50.960 --> 20:57.960]  We will radio on this Friday, the 16th day of August, 2019.
[20:57.960 --> 21:01.960]  And we have a very special guest today.
[21:01.960 --> 21:09.960]  I have spoken over the years to the fact that villainizing our police was a bad idea.
[21:09.960 --> 21:19.960]  And you know, the show we do, we're about legal reform and legal reform.
[21:19.960 --> 21:24.960]  The point of the spirit and legal reform is always the police.
[21:24.960 --> 21:28.960]  And we get a lot of people who are upset at the police and want to find remedy.
[21:28.960 --> 21:33.960]  And that's, we offer remedy on the show.
[21:33.960 --> 21:40.960]  But it's always felt to me like a bad idea to villainize your enemy.
[21:40.960 --> 21:49.960]  I'm a combat veteran and if you have an enemy, the worst thing you can do is try to villainize that enemy.
[21:49.960 --> 21:56.960]  You villainize the enemy and you put him in this box and you assign certain characteristics to him.
[21:56.960 --> 21:58.960]  Well, that doesn't work well.
[21:58.960 --> 22:00.960]  These are real human beings.
[22:00.960 --> 22:01.960]  They're smart.
[22:01.960 --> 22:02.960]  They're creative.
[22:02.960 --> 22:05.960]  You have to give them credit and understand where they live.
[22:05.960 --> 22:12.960]  If you're going to either defeat them or in our case, be able to work with them.
[22:12.960 --> 22:20.960]  Well, I have a guest that I have been trying to get this particular guest on, not Damon himself,
[22:20.960 --> 22:25.960]  but a guest who understands where the police live.
[22:25.960 --> 22:32.960]  Damon is a longtime police officer and now he's essentially one of us.
[22:32.960 --> 22:36.960]  I suspect he's always has been one of us even when he's a police officer.
[22:36.960 --> 22:42.960]  But one of these police that believe you ought to do things right.
[22:42.960 --> 22:52.960]  Damon, will you explain your position and help us to understand where a policeman lives?
[22:52.960 --> 22:56.960]  Well, let me say this.
[22:56.960 --> 23:01.960]  I retired as a chief of police two times.
[23:01.960 --> 23:10.960]  I retired as a deputy sheriff one time due to a line of duty entry stop on a homicide in progress.
[23:10.960 --> 23:15.960]  And I retired last year as the chief deputy constable in Alabama.
[23:15.960 --> 23:23.960]  So my career has been 40 years in length.
[23:23.960 --> 23:29.960]  I have seen the system change over and over in these 40 years.
[23:29.960 --> 23:35.960]  Some of it for the better, but a lot of it not.
[23:35.960 --> 23:51.960]  In 78 when I was a Dallas police cadet explorer, the Dallas police that were training me then had been in since the 50s, the 60s and till 78.
[23:51.960 --> 23:58.960]  So they had most of them been in since before the Miranda warning.
[23:58.960 --> 24:11.960]  But they understood it and they used it and they told me about a time before it happened about how they actually got warrants, how they properly served due process of law.
[24:11.960 --> 24:17.960]  They understood this because one, they had civics in high school.
[24:17.960 --> 24:20.960]  They had civics in college.
[24:20.960 --> 24:23.960]  They understood the role of a peace officer.
[24:23.960 --> 24:29.960]  They knew the difference in a peace officer and a law enforcement officer.
[24:29.960 --> 24:47.960]  And they went on to explain to me that if there's only three types of constitutional peace officers in Texas, being a Texas Ranger, the elected sheriff and his deputies, the elected constable and his deputies,
[24:47.960 --> 24:55.960]  every other law enforcement officer, title peace officer is a creature of the legislature.
[24:55.960 --> 25:01.960]  They have the same powers, but not necessarily the same duties.
[25:01.960 --> 25:14.960]  So as I began to grow and to learn and to attend the Academy and see what they taught there wasn't what they taught out on the road.
[25:14.960 --> 25:17.960]  There was a big contrast to that.
[25:17.960 --> 25:33.960]  In the olden days, as I call them, the peace officers did a lot of on the job training and the police learned a lot of logic, common sense and reasoning from the older police.
[25:33.960 --> 25:42.960]  We call them the old heads, the old heads, new wisdom and logic through life and law enforcement.
[25:42.960 --> 26:01.960]  Now, from then until the late 80s, the mind of police were more in a peace officer status, keeping the peace and tranquility of the community through the fair enforcement of the laws after you listen to both sides of a story.
[26:01.960 --> 26:05.960]  You gave time for people to explain.
[26:05.960 --> 26:06.960]  You thought about it.
[26:06.960 --> 26:08.960]  You digested it.
[26:08.960 --> 26:17.960]  You used what discretion you had to make the best decision for all involved, which is justice.
[26:17.960 --> 26:32.960]  In the early 90s to the mid 90s, Bill Clinton began sending out free tanks, free jeeps, flight vests, all sorts of things to police.
[26:32.960 --> 26:49.960]  A lot of police rejected them saying they're trying to turn this into a federal military or a local militia and they refused it, but a lot took it along with all the federal strings that went along with it.
[26:49.960 --> 27:03.960]  So he was converting all peace officers into quasi federal law enforcement officers and it required you to do all sorts of things with the federal government.
[27:03.960 --> 27:05.960]  I turned these things down.
[27:05.960 --> 27:08.960]  Some chiefs of police took them.
[27:08.960 --> 27:22.960]  And I said to some chiefs of police in towns that had a thousand, two, three thousand people, I said, what on God's green acres do you need a tank for?
[27:22.960 --> 27:27.960]  What do you think will happen here at the Riverbank?
[27:27.960 --> 27:38.960]  Well, you never know. So should they send you bazookas also? Should they send you hand grenades? I mean, use some common sense.
[27:38.960 --> 27:46.960]  And so it changed the direction of peace officers being referred to as law enforcement.
[27:46.960 --> 27:58.960]  Law enforcement generally go out and just enforce the letter of the law as they understand it and as they understand they're supposed to apply it.
[27:58.960 --> 28:25.960]  So they get caught in a conundrum, for lack of a better word, because in doing so, they are not acting as a peace, give us some of the word peace officer to keep the peace through the law, not to make their own laws,
[28:25.960 --> 28:31.960]  not to enforce their own policies that are not laws.
[28:31.960 --> 28:43.960]  And the police academies are on the job training that they had in the 60s and a lot of the 70s. You were caught real life on the street.
[28:43.960 --> 28:56.960]  But once they organized as a state for academies, everybody got the same exact training and it is not a one size fits all.
[28:56.960 --> 29:13.960]  So you get a different local flavor for one city or one county to the next. But it still comes down to being trained as militants, armed militants in many cases.
[29:13.960 --> 29:25.960]  And the people that are coming out of war that are on a mindset of a war footing, the police heavily, heavily recruit these guys.
[29:25.960 --> 29:41.960]  They do have a lot of skills with weapons and dealing with bad situations and making quit the system, but lot of them have PTSD or other things and they have flashbacks and problems.
[29:41.960 --> 29:44.960]  So it's creating kind of a police state.
[29:44.960 --> 30:01.960]  Okay, hang on. We're about to go to break. This is Randy Kelton with our radio with our special guest, Damon Jones. Hang on. We'll be right back.
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[33:24.960 --> 33:26.960]  Okay, we are back.
[33:26.960 --> 33:35.960]  Grant Kelton, we were already on this Friday, the 16th day of August, 2019.
[33:35.960 --> 33:49.960]  And we're here with our special guest, Damon Jones, and we're talking about where police live and what police deal with in the mindsets that they're having to function inside.
[33:49.960 --> 33:57.960]  I'm hoping everybody's listening real close, so when we deal with a policeman out there on the street, we better understand where he lives.
[33:57.960 --> 34:00.960]  Okay, go ahead, Damon.
[34:00.960 --> 34:14.960]  Well, I was saying that when Clinton, President Clinton, when he began militarizing police departments,
[34:14.960 --> 34:23.960]  there were, you know, of course, people in the military or retired military that was in police departments because of their, quote, discipline.
[34:23.960 --> 34:29.960]  Yes, sir, no, sir. Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.
[34:29.960 --> 34:58.960]  However, at the same time, you had a vast majority of just everyday men, and it was getting to be a little bit more women, but mainly men, 90% or more, that were thinking people that said, hey, I want to get a job where I can help my community.
[34:58.960 --> 35:11.960]  I'm willing to put my life on the line to protect women and children, of course men, but you're always thinking women and children do American culture training.
[35:11.960 --> 35:31.960]  The majority of them, the supermajority that I've ever come across, were generally Christian gentlemen overall, and if not, they at least had a Christian background, so they had the morals, values, and ethics of Christianity being brought up that way.
[35:31.960 --> 35:38.960]  So they respected their elders, they thought a lot of children, and they were very good people.
[35:38.960 --> 36:01.960]  But as things were becoming organized, and you had state standards, and from that, you had specific training to all police in the state that was practically identical.
[36:01.960 --> 36:12.960]  Maybe you had different teachers that taught it a little different, some better, some not, and from that, you had the same mindset.
[36:12.960 --> 36:29.960]  Then you started getting all these federal grants and federal military, you know, they talk about weapons of war, the police were being given weapons of war free of charge, but the strengths that were attached were insane.
[36:29.960 --> 36:45.960]  You know, such as what you would have to do to assist in a FEMA camp in case of a man-made disaster, or a natural disaster, or a call for martial law.
[36:45.960 --> 37:09.960]  So in fact, I had to go to training to deal with martial law, not because I took any of their equipment, but because so many people did, they were holding classes on when you could declare martial law and your jurisdiction, and what you could do and couldn't do.
[37:09.960 --> 37:18.960]  And then the hurricane hit, and numerous police in Florida went down to Homestead.
[37:18.960 --> 37:47.960]  I almost went, but I was pulled back at the last second, and the horror stories I was told by firsthand accounts by officers, I do know that went there, said, we had U-hauls full of body bags, and numerous people had been shot in the back and killed, and they had a provost marshal down there that said, after dark,
[37:47.960 --> 37:54.960]  any order you give if they do not listen, you shoot to kill, shoot to stop, whatever.
[37:54.960 --> 38:08.960]  Police are taught to shoot to stop, not shoot to kill, and they said it was just the most horrific thing they had ever been involved in, and they had four police to a car.
[38:08.960 --> 38:21.960]  And I said, you got to be kidding. No, talk to anybody that was there that's willing to talk. And I said, that's insane. Even in war, there's rules of war.
[38:21.960 --> 38:36.960]  This was not a war. This was American soil. But this was, during that time, people were being militarized, and they were getting on a war footing in this disaster zone.
[38:36.960 --> 38:47.960]  And I just, I had it so hard to believe that police of good conscience had lived their conscience, be severed in these situations.
[38:47.960 --> 38:59.960]  And some of them had been in the military and had been in the theater war, said it was just like being back in war again. And the people was the enemy.
[38:59.960 --> 39:09.960]  And when they come back, some of them decompressed, for lack of a better word, okay, some of them never seemed to decompress.
[39:09.960 --> 39:24.960]  And we were being taught military, military, military tactics. Then they started pushing the fact that fatigues was a safer material for us.
[39:24.960 --> 39:35.960]  It was anti-cut, anti-surrence situations. They were more comfortable, etc.
[39:35.960 --> 39:43.960]  Everything they could say to get people wearing fatigues and wearing different types of uniforms.
[39:43.960 --> 39:54.960]  Now, in Florida, the sheriffs have a prescription for uniforms. They only have certain colors they can put on their car and uniforms.
[39:54.960 --> 40:05.960]  However, you know, in these fatigues, sometimes they're different colors, but they use those for K9 and certain divisions.
[40:05.960 --> 40:15.960]  So the mindset of police has changed drastically over the years.
[40:15.960 --> 40:30.960]  And when I started, and until about 1989, when I'd been in for 11 years, it is absolutely so night and day different to what it's now.
[40:30.960 --> 40:46.960]  It's just hard to fathom. And many good police find their self in a bad position because they have administration on one side of them.
[40:46.960 --> 40:54.960]  And they have the people and business people and churches and civic groups on the other side. So they're kind of in a sandwich.
[40:54.960 --> 41:03.960]  So they got their personal morals based on any religious background they may have or lack of.
[41:03.960 --> 41:11.960]  Then they got the way they're taught in the police academy. They got the way that judges deal with them.
[41:11.960 --> 41:35.960]  They got laws that change, policies and procedures that change to where I would say half of the police in this nation sometimes lacks basic understanding of humans and allow for human error.
[41:35.960 --> 41:49.960]  And these court decisions and statutes, rules, regulations and code, if you took all this stuff and put together, it looked like a thick, old time yellow pages.
[41:49.960 --> 41:55.960]  And there's no way a policeman can remember one or two thousand pages of those and those.
[41:55.960 --> 42:05.960]  So they get in a contundrum and sometimes they say, Buffy, we're just going to arrest everybody. Let the judge figure it out.
[42:05.960 --> 42:19.960]  But that's bad because at that point their sovereign immunity really doesn't exist because they're not following the due process of law, the rule of law of our nation.
[42:19.960 --> 42:26.960]  So it's just drastically changed and it's very sad.
[42:26.960 --> 42:39.960]  This is disturbing. I've watched the police move to this militaristic stance and for me it's disturbing for me to see police in fatigues.
[42:39.960 --> 42:52.960]  I'm here in a small county in West Tennessee and I talked to the bailiffs there at the court and asked him, how do you feel when you put that bulletproof vest on?
[42:52.960 --> 43:08.960]  I remember being in theater and probably the most stressful thing for me was putting on a flak jacket because you have that flak jacket wrapped around your body and you feel it all the time.
[43:08.960 --> 43:16.960]  It's a constant reminder that you may not live through the next five minutes.
[43:16.960 --> 43:30.960]  It stands on you all the time and now I see my police in that same position and I kind of understand why they can be pretty cranked up and wired.
[43:30.960 --> 43:40.960]  And especially with the militaristic training they're taught to think that we're the enemy. There's this war on crime.
[43:40.960 --> 43:44.960]  I've been to war guys and this is not one.
[43:44.960 --> 43:53.960]  Hang on, go into break, Randy Kelkin, rule of our radio, our call in number 512-646-1984. I have the call lines open.
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[46:12.960 --> 46:28.960]  Okay, we are back.
[46:28.960 --> 46:35.960]  Randy Kelton, rule of law radio on this Friday the 16th day of August 2019.
[46:35.960 --> 46:37.960]  I do have the phone lines open.
[46:37.960 --> 46:39.960]  I'll keep them open for the rest of the night.
[46:39.960 --> 46:47.960]  We have special guest Damon Jones and we have a caller on Scott.
[46:47.960 --> 46:54.960]  Most of you guys know Scott and in a few minutes I'm going to bring Scott in to talk to Damon.
[46:54.960 --> 46:57.960]  I think Scott is going to find this.
[46:57.960 --> 47:03.960]  You'll find Scott's perspective interesting.
[47:03.960 --> 47:08.960]  He's been pulled through the window and he's been the gamut.
[47:08.960 --> 47:21.960]  But I think this will be very good for Scott to get another focus on what that policeman is dealing with.
[47:21.960 --> 47:26.960]  Okay, we'll go ahead and we'll pull Scott in later.
[47:26.960 --> 47:27.960]  If not, we'll make him wait.
[47:27.960 --> 47:33.960]  He's just a Texas redneck, so you know how those rednecks are.
[47:33.960 --> 47:37.960]  Scott never gets any slack from us.
[47:37.960 --> 47:39.960]  Okay, go ahead, Damon.
[47:39.960 --> 47:42.960]  He's probably a very tough guy.
[47:42.960 --> 47:43.960]  He is.
[47:43.960 --> 47:53.960]  I would like to say just real quick for myself, I have a strong Christian background.
[47:53.960 --> 48:02.960]  I'm an ordained minister and my dad was in the Marine Corps and my mother, what they call these days,
[48:02.960 --> 48:07.960]  is a stay-at-home mother back then they said housewives.
[48:07.960 --> 48:16.960]  So I had proper upbringing and I had a discipline father and a nurturing mother.
[48:16.960 --> 48:24.960]  So I would say, you know, I was a classic kid, young man of my age.
[48:24.960 --> 48:33.960]  Most of my friends had a general Christian background, if not specific, most of their parents were married.
[48:33.960 --> 48:39.960]  And we were saying the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, we were having prayer at lunch.
[48:39.960 --> 48:42.960]  They even had some Christian clubs.
[48:42.960 --> 48:51.960]  Now, with that said, most of the policemen I ran into had a lot of the same similar backgrounds.
[48:51.960 --> 48:56.960]  And they knew the difference in right and wrong, fair and unfair.
[48:56.960 --> 49:02.960]  And they had an ear and they listened to people.
[49:02.960 --> 49:05.960]  They didn't rush to judgment.
[49:05.960 --> 49:09.960]  There's not a five minutes we got to clear this call.
[49:09.960 --> 49:14.960]  We either need to tell them it's civil and roll or lock somebody up.
[49:14.960 --> 49:20.960]  We got to get to the next call or whatever it might be.
[49:20.960 --> 49:22.960]  That is today's thinking.
[49:22.960 --> 49:32.960]  Oftentimes, we're back then, the radio dispatch would do a status check to make sure you're okay or do you need any backup.
[49:32.960 --> 49:35.960]  Nine out of 10, we never called for backup.
[49:35.960 --> 49:42.960]  We took care of everything on the scene, cleared it, and they had a good taste in their mouth for dealing with us.
[49:42.960 --> 49:48.960]  And we could count on having them as friends and supporters of law enforcement or peace officers.
[49:48.960 --> 49:54.960]  It isn't that away except in isolated pockets of the country.
[49:54.960 --> 50:03.960]  Where I am now, we have a constitutional sheriff and he goes by the book and makes sure people are prepared.
[50:03.960 --> 50:05.960]  But you can't count on that.
[50:05.960 --> 50:11.960]  The next county over, you have a ruffian sheriff, you know, who thinks he's a potentate or something.
[50:11.960 --> 50:12.960]  I don't know.
[50:12.960 --> 50:14.960]  He's another world.
[50:14.960 --> 50:21.960]  And he retired out of the military and he's used to barking orders and people just jump or they got a job.
[50:21.960 --> 50:31.960]  Now, I try and teach constitutional classes for the Texas Constitution, our national constitution, how it come about, et cetera.
[50:31.960 --> 50:36.960]  I have tried to teach this to many police officers over the years.
[50:36.960 --> 50:40.960]  I've doubled and tripled my effort the last five or plus years.
[50:40.960 --> 50:41.960]  Some are listening.
[50:41.960 --> 50:43.960]  Some are not.
[50:43.960 --> 50:50.960]  But the ones that do listen are the ones you'll probably have the best encounter with.
[50:50.960 --> 50:57.960]  Now, some people just like I got a mother-in-law who's over 90 years old.
[50:57.960 --> 51:02.960]  She's only seen the police twice or three times in her entire life.
[51:02.960 --> 51:14.960]  And it only had to do with my father-in-law driving and getting stopped for speeding or something like that, and that's the only contact she ever had with police in her life.
[51:14.960 --> 51:18.960]  So he got a ticket or got a warning and went on.
[51:18.960 --> 51:22.960]  So in her mind, police are all good.
[51:22.960 --> 51:31.960]  And if I try and tell her, well, that's not really so, she'll listen to me because I know I spent 40 years in this.
[51:31.960 --> 51:38.960]  But, you know, you can see the look in her eye that says, I don't know of any bad policemen.
[51:38.960 --> 51:40.960]  She doesn't say that.
[51:40.960 --> 51:42.960]  But I say there are good policemen.
[51:42.960 --> 51:45.960]  There's a lot of good policemen that are trapped.
[51:45.960 --> 52:00.960]  And if you will have some courtesy, some respect, and don't say if the police shoot them a finger, don't poke the bear unless you want to go to war with that man.
[52:00.960 --> 52:02.960]  Or that woman.
[52:02.960 --> 52:08.960]  So, for example, me, I've been pulled over.
[52:08.960 --> 52:12.960]  Rarely, I mean, I'm very cautious, but rarely I've been pulled over.
[52:12.960 --> 52:17.960]  And when I am, I say, how are you doing today, officer?
[52:17.960 --> 52:23.960]  That's, you know, I play it by ear, but that's normally, and they say who they are.
[52:23.960 --> 52:25.960]  And, you know, I'm stopping you.
[52:25.960 --> 52:32.960]  No, sir, I do not know why you're stopping me, but I'm listening.
[52:32.960 --> 52:36.960]  And usually it's your driver's license, registration, insurance.
[52:36.960 --> 52:39.960]  I say just a moment, sir, I'll get that for you.
[52:39.960 --> 52:42.960]  I've got to reach into my console.
[52:42.960 --> 52:45.960]  And of course, I'm retired law enforcement.
[52:45.960 --> 52:55.960]  I have a lifetime pistol permit, and I say, now I'm going to tell you in my case that there's a firearm in there.
[52:55.960 --> 52:57.960]  Do you want me still to get that?
[52:57.960 --> 52:59.960]  Or what do you want me to do?
[52:59.960 --> 53:03.960]  Well, let me move around here where I can see what you're doing.
[53:03.960 --> 53:05.960]  Why do you carry a gun in there?
[53:05.960 --> 53:10.960]  And I said, well, the Second Amendment says I can and I want to do it for protection.
[53:10.960 --> 53:14.960]  I don't want to pull the I'm a cop card.
[53:14.960 --> 53:20.960]  But, you know, some have even asked, do you know how to use that firearm?
[53:20.960 --> 53:21.960]  Yes, sir.
[53:21.960 --> 53:22.960]  Was you in the military?
[53:22.960 --> 53:23.960]  No.
[53:23.960 --> 53:25.960]  Well, how do you know how to use it?
[53:25.960 --> 53:34.960]  Well, I was taught from childhood by my father and grandfather and uncles how to use weapons safely.
[53:34.960 --> 53:36.960]  And they'll say, okay.
[53:36.960 --> 53:42.960]  And so as they get to talking, sometimes they'll say things or have an opening.
[53:42.960 --> 53:47.960]  They may say, well, the speed limit here is in 45 and we clocked you at 55.
[53:47.960 --> 53:50.960]  I have said things like this.
[53:50.960 --> 54:01.960]  Sir, I was not aware of that, but I apologize to you, the badge of your office, and the community in which you serve.
[54:01.960 --> 54:04.960]  I meant no disrespect to anybody.
[54:04.960 --> 54:07.960]  I wasn't aware, but I apologize.
[54:07.960 --> 54:11.960]  And any courtesy you may extend to me, I'd appreciate.
[54:11.960 --> 54:14.960]  And I say, well, let me run back and check.
[54:14.960 --> 54:15.960]  That's what they're taught.
[54:15.960 --> 54:19.960]  Go back and run the name for wants in warrants.
[54:19.960 --> 54:24.960]  A wants is where you're wanted for questioning, dealing with something, but there's not a warrant.
[54:24.960 --> 54:27.960]  So they'll say, well, we need you to wait here.
[54:27.960 --> 54:29.960]  There's a want on you.
[54:29.960 --> 54:30.960]  What's that?
[54:30.960 --> 54:33.960]  You know, investigators want to talk to you.
[54:33.960 --> 54:37.960]  Well, you have the right not to talk to them or to talk to them.
[54:37.960 --> 54:42.960]  You know, in my case, I'd say, okay, I've never had that or you have a warrant.
[54:42.960 --> 54:43.960]  We're going to place an arrest.
[54:43.960 --> 54:45.960]  Never had that.
[54:45.960 --> 54:50.960]  But they usually come back and say, well, we're going to give you a warning today.
[54:50.960 --> 54:55.960]  And then that's when I usually say, I think you've done a good job.
[54:55.960 --> 54:58.960]  And they say, well, good, we don't, we don't hear that near enough.
[54:58.960 --> 55:02.960]  Well, I'm retired chief of police, been in law enforcement all my life.
[55:02.960 --> 55:05.960]  Why didn't you tell that when we come up?
[55:05.960 --> 55:18.960]  Well, I just wanted to be a guy making an encounter with a peace officer and trying reason and logic with you and be courteous and see how it go.
[55:18.960 --> 55:22.960]  Now, other times they just come up and they're more abrupt.
[55:22.960 --> 55:25.960]  It's a, it's one man to the next man or lady.
[55:25.960 --> 55:27.960]  That's the police.
[55:27.960 --> 55:29.960]  And someone would come up kind of rough and gruff.
[55:29.960 --> 55:32.960]  They come up on the car real fast.
[55:32.960 --> 55:39.960]  And so I know why, but I would ask, they say, need your driver's life registration insurance.
[55:39.960 --> 55:40.960]  Yes, sir.
[55:40.960 --> 55:41.960]  I'll be getting that for you.
[55:41.960 --> 55:44.960]  Why are you touching the back of my truck?
[55:44.960 --> 55:46.960]  Well, that's none of your concern.
[55:46.960 --> 55:53.960]  Well, yes, sir, it's my private property and, and I've washed my truck and you smeared your hands on or something.
[55:53.960 --> 55:54.960]  Why?
[55:54.960 --> 55:57.960]  And they usually say it has to do with law enforcement.
[55:57.960 --> 55:58.960]  Okay.
[55:58.960 --> 56:00.960]  Well, what is that?
[56:00.960 --> 56:02.960]  And if I can, it's a secret.
[56:02.960 --> 56:05.960]  Well, it's really not a secret.
[56:05.960 --> 56:09.960]  Most police will tell you it's because it leaves their DNA on your vehicle.
[56:09.960 --> 56:14.960]  In case you shoot them or run over them, they can find their DNA on there.
[56:14.960 --> 56:19.960]  Number two, it will tell them when they're touching it for a moment.
[56:19.960 --> 56:29.960]  If there's a lot of movements, if there's movement in the vehicle, they're taught to step back and take a shelter behind their car or whatever and have people exit.
[56:29.960 --> 56:34.960]  Because you could have people in the back moving around for private reach for guns.
[56:34.960 --> 56:35.960]  You don't know.
[56:35.960 --> 56:39.960]  So it's, it's for those reasons.
[56:39.960 --> 56:45.960]  And I give it to the officer and they'll be giving me the military commands.
[56:45.960 --> 56:49.960]  Well, you're going to do this and this is going to be this way.
[56:49.960 --> 56:51.960]  And I play a little dumb.
[56:51.960 --> 56:53.960]  I say, I don't understand.
[56:53.960 --> 56:54.960]  You told me all this stuff so fast.
[56:54.960 --> 56:56.960]  I'm not sure what's going on.
[56:56.960 --> 56:59.960]  Well, this is how it works here.
[56:59.960 --> 57:00.960]  Okay.
[57:00.960 --> 57:09.960]  And then sometimes I'll say, are you a constitutional peace officer or a state legislative law enforcement officer?
[57:09.960 --> 57:13.960]  And most of them don't realize they'll say, well, I'm a state peace officer.
[57:13.960 --> 57:17.960]  Yes, sir, but are you under the Constitution or you a legislative officer?
[57:17.960 --> 57:21.960]  They usually don't know the difference.
[57:21.960 --> 57:24.960]  And I find that very strange.
[57:24.960 --> 57:37.960]  And I had a Mississippi constable pull me over in Mississippi one time and we had about an hour or longer conversation over the law.
[57:37.960 --> 57:40.960]  And he said, you're way above my pay grade.
[57:40.960 --> 57:42.960]  Well, how long you been in?
[57:42.960 --> 57:44.960]  Well, getting on 20 years.
[57:44.960 --> 57:47.960]  Well, you should know all this by now.
[57:47.960 --> 57:54.960]  And I had the same thing happen in Mississippi on the side of interstate 10 with a state trooper.
[57:54.960 --> 57:56.960]  I mean, he was clean.
[57:56.960 --> 57:57.960]  He was polite.
[57:57.960 --> 58:00.960]  He was professional in all business.
[58:00.960 --> 58:04.960]  And so we talked about the due process of law.
[58:04.960 --> 58:07.960]  And I said, let me ask you a question.
[58:07.960 --> 58:09.960]  You seem like a pretty smart guy.
[58:09.960 --> 58:16.960]  By this time I mean back to my truck and we're on the side of the road talking dispatch has done calling two or three times to do status check.
[58:16.960 --> 58:19.960]  Because he's way out way longer than normal.
[58:19.960 --> 58:29.960]  So I said, how can you be the complainant and the witness and serve the process only?
[58:29.960 --> 58:31.960]  Because you've got a dog in the fire.
[58:31.960 --> 58:34.960]  Your paycheck and your job depends on this.
[58:34.960 --> 58:35.960]  Okay, okay.
[58:35.960 --> 58:36.960]  Hold on.
[58:36.960 --> 58:37.960]  We're about to go to break.
[58:37.960 --> 58:39.960]  This is Randy Kelton.
[58:39.960 --> 58:47.960]  On the radio, I call it number 512-646-1984.
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[01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:59.960]  Today in history, the year 1916, the Preparedness Day Bombing, a time suitcase bomb was detonated on Market Street in San Francisco during the World War I Preparedness Day Parade, killing 10 and injuring 40.
[01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:04.960]  Today in history.
[01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:16.960]  In recent news, since Governor Greg Abbott signed House Bill 1325 legalizing HEPA into Texas law back in June, county prosecutors around the state, including Houston, Austin, and San Antonio, have been dropping marijuana possession charges,
[01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:24.960]  and even refusing to file new ones, since they are stipulating that they do not have the time or the laboratory equipment to test the herb for THC.
[01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:33.960]  Margaret Moore, the Travis County District Attorney, announced earlier this month that she was dismissing 32 felony possession and delivery of marijuana cases because of the law.
[01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:47.960]  Abbott and other state officials, including the Attorney General, stipulated in a letter to county district attorneys back on Thursday that marijuana has not been decriminalized in Texas, and that these actions demonstrate a misunderstanding of how HB 1325 works,
[01:01:47.960 --> 01:02:01.960]  as well as other cities, too, like the district attorney, in El Paso, Kaima Esparza, a Democrat who also stated earlier this month that the law, quote, will not have an effect on the prosecution of marijuana cases in El Paso.
[01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:12.960]  However, the issue was succinctly summarized by Mr. Brandon Ball, an assistant public defender in Harris County, who stated that, quote, the law is constantly changing on what makes something illegal based on its chemical makeup.
[01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:22.960]  It's important that if someone is charged with something, the test matches what they're charged with.
[01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:38.960]  The paper by Tulane University identified a five and a half inch American pocket shark as the first of its kind in the Gulf of Mexico, the specimen being only the second pocket shark ever captured or recorded with the other one being found way back in 1979 in the East Pacific Ocean.
[01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:50.960]  According to the university paper, the shark secretes a lumus fluid from a gland near its front fins for the purposes hypothesized to lure and prey who may be drawn into the glow.
[01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:59.960]  This is Book Roadie with your lowdown for July 22, 2019.
[01:02:59.960 --> 01:03:24.960]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty.
[01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:34.960]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio here with Damon Jones and Damon Jones.
[01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:36.960]  Yeah, Damon Jones.
[01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.960]  I read your name earlier and had it backwards and I'm still tripping over that.
[01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:43.960]  I had Jones Damon and I'm still tripping over that.
[01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:44.960]  Okay, Damon Jones.
[01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:48.960]  And part of this I'm disturbed.
[01:03:48.960 --> 01:04:00.960]  We talk about the police on the show and we look at these videos of people interacting with the police, especially I've been looking at these First Amendment auditors.
[01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:08.960]  And we tend to look at them from the perspective of the auditor and not the policemen.
[01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:16.960]  And frankly, from what you've told us so far, I'm disturbed.
[01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:23.960]  Well, I didn't mean to disturb your peace.
[01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:25.960]  Oh, no, it wasn't that way.
[01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:32.960]  I'm disturbed that I see the policemen in a light that's more difficult.
[01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:36.960]  How do we get him out of that spot?
[01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:42.960]  How do we move him back to being a police officer?
[01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.960]  Well, there are a few theories.
[01:04:45.960 --> 01:05:05.960]  I'm going to hang on to mine the closest because having been in this field in this trade that later become a profession for 40 years, I have examined and reexamined things.
[01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:15.960]  And I joined a rural society in Texas that goes through due process all the time.
[01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:20.960]  And even after 40 years, I learned some new things.
[01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:27.960]  I understood some basics, but they drill down to mechanics, housekeeping, other things.
[01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:42.960]  And then I also met Dr. Graves, who is an attorney in Florida, and I also take his courses on motions and various things that he teaches, and I pay for that.
[01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.960]  And I'm an affiliate of this.
[01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:53.960]  So let me say there are a lot of ways to resolve an issue.
[01:05:53.960 --> 01:06:00.960]  I believe God's sitting here to be a problem solver, problem resolver.
[01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:18.960]  So as best as anybody can, think of yourself having gone to a police academy, going through the hiring process, some places it's too slack in my opinion, some places are overkill.
[01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.960]  But the average does a pretty decent job on the background.
[01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.960]  So you've gone through that.
[01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:25.960]  You've gone through the academy.
[01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:38.960]  You've done all your gymnastics and weightlifting and running to prove that you can deal with climbing through a window, walking on a board, climbing fences, etc.
[01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:40.960]  So you're physically set.
[01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:45.960]  You take a psychological attempt to make your psychologically sound.
[01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:56.960]  So now you've done that, the police academy has grumbed into your head to be liability conscious, liability conscious.
[01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:06.960]  So when you get out on the road with your trainer in most departments, some are so small, you may ride with an officer for a day and then you're on your own.
[01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.960]  Most places have FTOs and you're like in a one to three month course.
[01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:23.960]  But when you get out in that car that very first day by yourself, you're dang near scared of your own shadow because you're looking at everything and watching everybody.
[01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:33.960]  And when you make your first traffic stop, your heart pounded because you've been told about how people can pull guns on you.
[01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:35.960]  They can back over you do many things.
[01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:38.960]  So you're actually scared.
[01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:50.960]  So you have to muster up your courage to go up there and try not sound shaky or intimidated and ask the people for their information.
[01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.960]  Okay, you go through that.
[01:07:52.960 --> 01:08:01.960]  You sweated that, you know, the time you've done five or six or 10 of them, you're feeling more confident.
[01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:09.960]  And then the other police officers around you tell you their theories and do's and don'ts.
[01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:20.960]  Then you wind up going to court on your cases and you may lose a lot in the beginning because you didn't go by the due process.
[01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:24.960]  And the judges usually help you worm out of it.
[01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:32.960]  They'll ask specific questions in a certain way, no one that you're green, you're a tender foot, you're new to this.
[01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:36.960]  And they're going to dismiss it, but they cry and let you say face.
[01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.960]  And you learn what the judges want.
[01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:45.960]  Not what the law says, but what the judge wants.
[01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:51.960]  And then eventually you get into some case that actually has a jury.
[01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.960]  And you find out how juries operate.
[01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:05.960]  And unfortunately, people in this country are not called jury nullification, but it's a real thing.
[01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:11.960]  They exercised it in the OJ Simpson case that was a complete jury nullification.
[01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:12.960]  No questions asked.
[01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:17.960]  I've seen it happen in the past, but most people don't understand it.
[01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:23.960]  But getting back to the police, it's my opinion and it's my belief.
[01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:29.960]  And I've seen it go either way in a heartbeat.
[01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:35.960]  You have to dispel the alarm.
[01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.960]  I repeat, dispel the alarm.
[01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.960]  So it doesn't matter if it's a traffic stop.
[01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:47.960]  You call the police to your own home, you're a witness to a crime.
[01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:50.960]  You have to vary quickly.
[01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:56.960]  And I'd say between 10 and 30 seconds state the purpose.
[01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:09.960]  I am a man of peace and I want to get along with you and I want to help you and I want you to help me and let's have mutual respect.
[01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:17.960]  So the officer's automatically going to start rolling his brain around and say, I usually don't get this.
[01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:26.960]  You know, and he's going to think with some skepticism, what's the gag or what's the trick or what's candy camera?
[01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:31.960]  But if you practice this, stand in front of a mirror just like they teach police.
[01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:33.960]  Stand in front of a mirror.
[01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:34.960]  Practice your speech.
[01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:39.960]  Look at yourself in the mirror, how fast are you talking?
[01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:41.960]  How fast do you cover a subject?
[01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:45.960]  What do you look like in the mirror?
[01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.960]  Practice getting your own car or car.
[01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:49.960]  Throw down the window and play like you're talking to police.
[01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:51.960]  See how far you can turn around.
[01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:52.960]  Where would the police be?
[01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:59.960]  Practice these things and get your own script down because they have a script that they go by.
[01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:04.960]  And it's not written on a piece of paper they have to memorize.
[01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.960]  They learn this through the academy and on the job training.
[01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:10.960]  And it's a very similar script.
[01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:15.960]  You know, there's variances, but it's very similar basis.
[01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:24.960]  So mine is disarm the police metaphorically by dispelling the alarm or any worry.
[01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:33.960]  I know that me personally, as well as other officers, have said these unwritten code words.
[01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:35.960]  It's a good call.
[01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:40.960]  Meaning there's nothing to worry about, about these people.
[01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.960]  Now, we all realize that that could change in a second.
[01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:44.960]  Okay?
[01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.960]  Somebody could be buffaloing you and then jump out of the car and try and shoot you.
[01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:55.960]  But they're telling you it's a good call, meaning everything thus far is checking out.
[01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:57.960]  I don't think we have a problem.
[01:11:57.960 --> 01:11:59.960]  But we're still going to watch.
[01:11:59.960 --> 01:12:06.960]  We're still going to monitor all the way through and we're ready to draw our gun in a split second if necessary.
[01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:13.960]  But we were taught don't pull your gun unless you're going to use your gun.
[01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:20.960]  They are now pulling their guns for no good reason in many times.
[01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:30.960]  And we would have probably been fired if not put in jail for excessive deadly force or the threat of it.
[01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:38.960]  So, you know, they created a half in police's boot a month.
[01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:46.960]  I've got someone on the line that probably has the perspective from the other side on this.
[01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:48.960]  I'd like to bring him in.
[01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:49.960]  Yes, sir.
[01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.960]  This is Scott Scott.
[01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:54.960]  You called in early.
[01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:01.960]  I think you wanted to address this issue because you have certainly been there.
[01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:02.960]  Yeah.
[01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:04.960]  How are you doing, Mr. Jones?
[01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:07.960]  I'm doing fine, sir.
[01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.960]  Hey, I want you to know I used to follow you on YouTube.
[01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.960]  I actually watched you do the audit over in Rallette.
[01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:16.960]  I live in Garland, the next town over.
[01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:18.960]  I thought that was quite hilarious.
[01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.960]  I want you to know I've followed you for quite some time now.
[01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:23.960]  It's kind of hilarious.
[01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:25.960]  Thank you, sir.
[01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:26.960]  Yeah.
[01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:38.960]  What I wanted to talk about is, you know, we've drilled down into this issue about, you know, how the cops are treating people.
[01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:48.960]  And what, you know, we've kind of, some of the research that we've discovered would go back to, have you heard about the Brady policy?
[01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:56.960]  Because I've asked some of the cops around here, and they've just heard of it.
[01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:57.960]  It's not the Brady, not the Brady deal where it's talking about the gun.
[01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:06.960]  It's the Brady policy that goes to the district attorney where they're supposed to train cops and their constitutional powers through these limitations.
[01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:11.960]  Are you aware of Brady v. Maryland, 1965?
[01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:13.960]  No, sir, I am not.
[01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.960]  But I am now, or I'll look it up to Matt.
[01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:26.960]  It was something that we have, research has led out because there was a big problem.
[01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:36.960]  The whole thing about Brady at the beginning was because of district attorneys withholding excupatory evidence in favor of the accused.
[01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:37.960]  Yes.
[01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:49.960]  So that was a big problem back even back then in 1965, you know, because they had this case and then this case also pointed to the district attorney.
[01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:56.960]  It has specific duties within their office to train their police force.
[01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:03.960]  Well, I've actually done information requests to quite a few district attorneys around Texas.
[01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:15.960]  I just started with A and went to like D and wound up submitting out about like 50, you know, information requests to a lot of district attorneys around.
[01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:17.960]  And it was amazing.
[01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:32.960]  The replies that came back were questioning would how do you define certain words to we have no evidence of any Brady training.
[01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.960]  And even some of them would actually admit to they were supposed to.
[01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:43.960]  They had some kind of training, but it went to some really generic like how to give out food at a food bank or something.
[01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:44.960]  It was like, what?
[01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:52.960]  But anyhow, this was this goes back to the issue is like, because how do we get the onus off the cop?
[01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:56.960]  Well, the cop is supposed to be trained by the district attorney.
[01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:05.960]  And it goes up to the actually even the county judge, you know, because he's supposed to make sure that the district attorney is within scope of his office.
[01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:18.960]  And so this was some of the stuff that we're leapfrogging past the cop to go to the higher ups to hold them accountable for not training the cops in their duties.
[01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:19.960]  Okay.
[01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:20.960]  Hang on.
[01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:22.960]  We're about to go to break Scott.
[01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:31.960]  And Damon, this is coming from the guy who was snatched through his window by the police and had them really work him over.
[01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:39.960]  But in dealing with him, dealing with the system, he began to realize the problem was not the police.
[01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:47.960]  The problem was a lot higher up and pretty pleased with him, especially being him being an old redneck that he actually figured this out.
[01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:48.960]  Yes, sir.
[01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:52.960]  I was really encouraging.
[01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:53.960]  Hold on.
[01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:54.960]  We're about to go to break.
[01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:56.960]  We'll pick this up on the other side.
[01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:58.960]  I had to get a jibing on Scott.
[01:16:58.960 --> 01:16:59.960]  We'll be right back.
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[01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:40.960]  Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio on this Friday, the 16th day of August 2019.
[01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.960]  And we have our special guest, David Jones.
[01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:48.960]  And we also have another guest online, Casey.
[01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:50.960]  I don't know if I'm supposed to say your last name.
[01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:51.960]  Oh, you can.
[01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:52.960]  I don't care.
[01:19:52.960 --> 01:20:00.960]  Well, sometimes when Casey is another guy that does these audits, sometimes they don't
[01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:02.960]  want too much information out there.
[01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:04.960]  And I'd forgotten to ask you that question earlier.
[01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:05.960]  Sure.
[01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:08.960]  But, okay, we're going back to Scott.
[01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:13.960]  And Scott, I talked to him over the air and gave him the lowdown on you so they'll know
[01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:15.960]  how to handle you.
[01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:17.960]  Oh, well, that's fine.
[01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:21.960]  It shouldn't be that hard.
[01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:25.960]  But I think of Brady from Maryland, 63, I was born in 65.
[01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:29.960]  So that was the case law that went to it.
[01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:36.960]  But in the research, you know, because I'm in the insurance business, and I found a couple
[01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:40.960]  of insurance terms that really seemed to shake everybody up.
[01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:46.960]  And I put together a lawsuit at Scott Richardson versus Clay Jenkins, who's a Dallas County
[01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:47.960]  judge.
[01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:54.960]  And what was, what had determined, how it determined to, I was going to, I sued him.
[01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:55.960]  I followed the suit.
[01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:57.960]  I had to pull it back at the end.
[01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:05.960]  But I followed the suit because I was claiming that the county judge was a super lottery
[01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:06.960]  neglect.
[01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.960]  And how it was there was the county judge.
[01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:13.960]  Damon, you get some background noise.
[01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:15.960]  I'm sorry.
[01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.960]  Go ahead, Scott.
[01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:19.960]  Okay.
[01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:25.960]  Well, the county judge was operating in his vicarious liability, allowing the district
[01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:36.960]  attorney to operate in his strict liability by not keeping, not keeping in scope of his
[01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:41.960]  office by training the officers in their constitutional power studies and limitation.
[01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:48.960]  But the district attorney is simultaneously operating in his vicarious liability, allowing
[01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:57.960]  the cop to go out there and operate in his strict liability for engaging with the public
[01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:04.960]  absent, proper, credible training according to the Brady policies.
[01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:10.960]  So once you were able to pinpoint it down, now it goes straight up to the county judge
[01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:15.960]  because he's the respondee superior of the whole county.
[01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:21.960]  So these are things that kind of we're starting to figure out, but, you know, trying to get
[01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:29.960]  a lawsuit through court is an absolute farce because everything gets dismissed out of hand.
[01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:34.960]  But it's out there on the public record and people can read that stuff now.
[01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.960]  So if more people start taking it up, they got a blueprint to work off of.
[01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:48.960]  Yeah, but one thing about that, Scott, is not about, you know, we say on the show, you
[01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:50.960]  never expect to win in the trial court.
[01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:55.960]  You always expect the judge to rule against you out of hand at every turn.
[01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:57.960]  It's not so much about that.
[01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.960]  It's always about the money.
[01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:09.960]  And I can assure you that any of these judges, your prosecutors that get into a civil action
[01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:19.960]  with Scott, they don't ever want to go back there again because he understands the politics.
[01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:22.960]  Bar grieve them into the stone age.
[01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:28.960]  Judicial conduct complaint, every time the judge squeaks, he puts marks on their chart
[01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:38.960]  and he forces them to respond to legal issues that aren't the legal issues they deal with
[01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:39.960]  every day.
[01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:47.960]  So they actually have to go do real legal research and he costs them a lot of money.
[01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:49.960]  Yes, sir.
[01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:58.960]  They say that when police come out of the academy, their liability conscience through the roof
[01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:04.960]  and they're taught about vicarious liability and they say, so if you go out and you do
[01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.960]  something wrong, here's what's going to happen.
[01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:09.960]  You're going to get sued.
[01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.960]  Your supervisor is going to get sued.
[01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:21.960]  All the way up to the mayor or county commission, whoever is in that line.
[01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:26.960]  And so you're probably going to lose your job when the chief of police gets sued.
[01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:32.960]  You're out the door pretty quick or the sheriff or the constable, city marshal, whoever.
[01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:35.960]  So they're very wary of that.
[01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:42.960]  And in Texas, because you've got the risk management division and people have learned
[01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:50.960]  they can go to risk management for assistance in Texas and that has changed a lot of department
[01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:51.960]  policies.
[01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.960]  I'm glad you brought up risk management.
[01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:57.960]  Yes, sir.
[01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:01.960]  One of the things I tell people is about bar grievances.
[01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:06.960]  Yeah, if you file a bar grievance against the lawyer in the state of Texas, the state
[01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.960]  that bar association is going to get that grievance and they're going to throw it in
[01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:12.960]  no trash.
[01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.960]  And Scott, what are they going to send you?
[01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:22.960]  They're going to send you a letter coming back that says this does not rise to the level
[01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:26.960]  of our concern and goodbye, have a nice day.
[01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:33.960]  And that's a good thing.
[01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:39.960]  The reason it's a good thing is their insurance carrier knows they'll throw it in the trash.
[01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:42.960]  So how do they gauge their level of risk?
[01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:43.960]  But how do bar grievances?
[01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.960]  They can throw them all in the trash.
[01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:52.960]  By the numbers, one bar grievance, your first year of practice, they cancel immediately.
[01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:56.960]  Two bar grievances, any one year of practice, they cancel.
[01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.960]  Three, they cancel your law firm's malpractice insurance.
[01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.960]  Valid, invalid, they don't care.
[01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:10.960]  The risk management, they're not concerned about the officer.
[01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.960]  They're not concerned about what happens to him.
[01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:17.960]  They're concerned about saving the department money.
[01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:22.960]  They will make a deal that the officer has no say in.
[01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:29.960]  So even if somebody has sued him for garbage, these guys are not going to look at, well,
[01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:33.960]  what is the right of things and what is the wrong of things?
[01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:38.960]  They're going to look at it and say, how much money is this going to cost us?
[01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:42.960]  And how can we get out of this the cheapest?
[01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:48.960]  And if that includes throwing the officer under the bus, yeah, sorry to bubba.
[01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:50.960]  Life is tough.
[01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:52.960]  You're, you're correct about that.
[01:26:52.960 --> 01:27:00.960]  I mean, I want to back you up on that because here's what city and county attorneys have told me in the past.
[01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:06.960]  I've never been sued on the job or through the scope of my authority or position.
[01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:15.960]  However, it was threatened against officers under my command and they said, you're probably going to get named for this.
[01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.960]  And I said, well, we're going to have a big problem.
[01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:20.960]  Actually, not we, but you.
[01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.960]  And the attorney would say, how do you mean that?
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:30.960]  Well, see, sir, when I write a policy or we have a policy, we don't have a bunch of them.
[01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:36.960]  We have the ones that we need that address 98% of the problems out there.
[01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:38.960]  Two is the unknown factor.
[01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:43.960]  We actually, the officer has to look at all of them when he's hired.
[01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:47.960]  He has to read it and then he has to take an exam on it.
[01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:50.960]  He has to have 75 or better.
[01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:59.960]  Initially, then he has given a second chance open book to take it and he gets 100 or he has to retake it up to three times.
[01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:08.960]  He'll be terminated if you can't get it by open book with three times, which is ridiculous, but three strikes near out.
[01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:18.960]  So when he goes through the policy and the due process of law and he signs it and he has 100% score in the end,
[01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:23.960]  then that means he knew it and he did not act according to it.
[01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:29.960]  So I, as the chief of police, am no longer liable for him.
[01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:36.960]  We're not the city of Dallas with a 2000 page manual that no human being could remember.
[01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:44.960]  You know, we maybe have 15 or 20 policies and a handful of directives.
[01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:46.960]  That's it.
[01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.960]  And it covers most things.
[01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:58.960]  You know, God put 10 commandments on the people easy to remember covers everything.
[01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:04.960]  Man has buildings and buildings and buildings full of laws, rules and regulations.
[01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:14.960]  And in fact, Casey, who's on the call, he does a lot of research into this and he could maybe tell you some things about that.
[01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:16.960]  Casey, go ahead.
[01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:18.960]  We got about 40 seconds for a break.
[01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:20.960]  Oh, OK.
[01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:24.960]  As far as what specifically?
[01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:32.960]  Well, the...
[01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:40.960]  I mean, just maybe go to the mountain of research you do on policies, procedures and how they work.
[01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:41.960]  OK.
[01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:43.960]  I mean, I'm really more...
[01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:45.960]  I'm pretty simple.
[01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:53.960]  I just go to the Constitution and I really haven't gotten into the, you know, the statutes and the ordinances all that much.
[01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:55.960]  But I mean, I just go to...
[01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:56.960]  Wait, hang on.
[01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:57.960]  I'm going to break.
[01:29:57.960 --> 01:29:59.960]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:59.960 --> 01:30:01.960]  OK.
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[01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.960]  Okay, we are back.
[01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:33.960]  I did that earlier. We are back. Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio on this Friday the 16th day of August 2019.
[01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:42.960]  And we're going to Casey. Casey is an auditor. He does first amendment audits.
[01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:50.960]  And I am surprised that I've done this show this long and didn't know about you guys.
[01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:57.960]  In this show, I've been looking for people who are willing to take the system on.
[01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:04.960]  Guys like Scott. When they came after Scott, he went right back after him.
[01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:08.960]  And we have a number of people who are taking them on.
[01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:15.960]  But not near as many as we need to be able to change the system.
[01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:20.960]  And we've developed some really sophisticated methodologies.
[01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:30.960]  But we need guys like Casey. Casey, will you explain what you do in terms of first amendment auditing?
[01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:36.960]  Sure, absolutely. And thank you for having me on the program today. I appreciate it.
[01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:42.960]  I ran across your show a little while back and I was really impressed with the information that you were providing to people.
[01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:47.960]  It's really dangerous stuff once you learn how to weld it apparently.
[01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:54.960]  So my goal is just to get the first amendment.
[01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:59.960]  Well, we're getting some background noise there.
[01:34:59.960 --> 01:35:01.960]  I don't see. I'm not sure what that was.
[01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:03.960]  All right. I'm sorry.
[01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:11.960]  So the whole purpose really, I tried to email my local sheriff and had to have a conversation with him about, you know,
[01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:17.960]  if you have a statute and ordinance, etc., that conflicts with the Constitution.
[01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.960]  Which one do you follow?
[01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:28.960]  Long story short, he didn't want to have the conversation. In fact, he sent my second email to the FBI.
[01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:34.960]  So I probably should have, you know, started the conversation a little bit differently.
[01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:41.960]  But, you know, regardless, he just didn't want to address the issue and actually the same thing with the police chief.
[01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:47.960]  You know, just didn't want to, didn't answer that question at all. Neither of them did.
[01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:50.960]  So I was really frustrated.
[01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:59.960]  I had little guidance from Sheriff Richard Mack who just through email just kind of said, yeah, you know, you're on the right path here.
[01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:12.960]  So, but I had received, I contacted the Secretary of State of Idaho and I had them send me these constitutions.
[01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:21.960]  And full size has the Idaho State Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
[01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:23.960]  And I thought, well, I'll hand these out.
[01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:29.960]  So, you know, I just didn't know what else to do. And First Amendment auditing looked like, you know, the way to go.
[01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:36.960]  And, you know, you're doing a lot of things at once. You're educating the public. You're educating law enforcement.
[01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:50.960]  Because, you know, from my experience anyways, I spoke with a sheriff and she had said that, you know, they have constitutional training at the Academy.
[01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:55.960]  But after that, you know, from what she was saying, there really isn't very much constitutional training.
[01:36:55.960 --> 01:37:00.960]  I think that's really where a lot of the problem lies because they don't understand it.
[01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:03.960]  I'm not saying they all don't. That's not the case.
[01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:09.960]  But, you know, they can't stand up and do the right thing in a lot of circumstances.
[01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:15.960]  And I think, you know, that the public just pays for that in the end.
[01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:22.960]  And, you know, I've watched these videos and frankly, I was really surprised at what I saw.
[01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:28.960]  You've got these guys going in there and poking the bear.
[01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:37.960]  And they're doing it from within their rights and the police know they are.
[01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:46.960]  And these guys are provoking the police and the police know they're being deliberately provoked.
[01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:51.960]  I think that is absolutely the best training they could have.
[01:37:51.960 --> 01:38:04.960]  We had rising military, we had similar training where the enemy would send in provocateurs is what they called them.
[01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:11.960]  The people just to get us to react and respond badly before the public.
[01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:18.960]  Now, we were essentially in an occupied country and we were dealing with civilians.
[01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:24.960]  So they wanted to turn the civilians against us and they were very good at provoking us.
[01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.960]  But unlike the police, we were in the military.
[01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:31.960]  And in the military, it doesn't matter if they make you upset or not.
[01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:34.960]  You do what the commander says.
[01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:39.960]  They, you don't care, make no difference how upset they make, you know,
[01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:43.960]  make no difference how bad what they threw at you smells like.
[01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:46.960]  You stand there and you take it.
[01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:54.960]  And I watched these auditors giving that training to the police.
[01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:57.960]  That's wonderful. They need that training.
[01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:03.960]  Because then when you get a really bad guy, they're not going to get provoked into doing something really stupid.
[01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:05.960]  They're going to do their job.
[01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:10.960]  That was what I saw in these training jobs. Real pleased by it.
[01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:14.960]  Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that are in this movement.
[01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:17.960]  It's a community. It's really a beautiful thing.
[01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:24.960]  A lot of these people are very well educated and they understand that things are wrong and they just don't know what else to do.
[01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:31.960]  So then they'll do like, you know, a lot of these auditors learn how to do public records requests and it just leaves on and on and you keep educating yourself.
[01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:33.960]  And you're also informing the public.
[01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.960]  That's really another huge asset of this is we're educating the people.
[01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:41.960]  And so it's just really exciting.
[01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:44.960]  And I do definitely encourage more people do it.
[01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:45.960]  You have to be careful.
[01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:53.960]  You have to, you want to assert your rights, but you have to be able to be a little fluid and you don't want to interject your feelings into the situation.
[01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:55.960]  That just doesn't help a thing at all.
[01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:57.960]  But you hold them to the Constitution.
[01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:08.960]  And for instance, I started citing in the Idaho State Constitution, Article 1, Section 9, and in Washington State, it's Article 1, Section 5.
[01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.960]  They both basically say the exact same thing regarding freedom of speech.
[01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:19.960]  You know, all people may speak right and publish on all subjects being responsible for the abuse of that liberty.
[01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:23.960]  And so nothing can infringe on that.
[01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:25.960]  But things do, unfortunately.
[01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.960]  But I mean, you can really hold their feet to the fire just by citing that.
[01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:30.960]  And it's really easy to learn.
[01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.960]  A lot of people don't even have a clue that there's a...
[01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:37.960]  I have one person that had no idea that there was a state constitution.
[01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:41.960]  But they knew that they learned that there was one.
[01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:46.960]  And there's some basics here that's very powerful.
[01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:55.960]  And it's my opinion that the police respond well to an educated public.
[01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:57.960]  I deal with them all the time.
[01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:04.960]  And the more I learn about the law, the underlying law, and how to deal with...
[01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:11.960]  How to take them to the law, the better responses I get from the police to get more careful.
[01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:13.960]  And especially when you're using...
[01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:14.960]  I'm sorry, go ahead.
[01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:20.960]  Without guys like you, they tend to overreach.
[01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:24.960]  Then they run into somebody like you who's clearly provoking them.
[01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:26.960]  Go ahead, go ahead.
[01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.960]  You step outside a legal line so I can whack you good.
[01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:37.960]  And it teaches them patience and control.
[01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:41.960]  Damon, you live on the other end.
[01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:43.960]  What do you think about that?
[01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:45.960]  I know you do these audits as well.
[01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:50.960]  So you should have an interesting perspective on that.
[01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:56.960]  Well, before there were ever audits,
[01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:03.960]  and still you would think that with social media being as big as it is,
[01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.960]  that most of the public would know what it is.
[01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:13.960]  But I still have to explain to probably nearly half of the people,
[01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:17.960]  and they say, well, why would you call it an audit?
[01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:19.960]  Well, you audit books.
[01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:24.960]  You do inventories and audits at grocery stores, other things for your inventory.
[01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:26.960]  It's an accounting system.
[01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:29.960]  We're making the police be accountable.
[01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:37.960]  So we're auditing their behavior, their actions, and their conduct with us, the people.
[01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:46.960]  And in auditing their knowledge, their skills, their abilities, are they fluid?
[01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.960]  Are they using the same script?
[01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:54.960]  Is the script lawful or unlawful?
[01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:57.960]  Are the actions lawful or unlawful?
[01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:02.960]  I was doing this almost from the beginning,
[01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:10.960]  and I learned it from the old heads that when you come up on newbies, rookies,
[01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:16.960]  a lot of times they'll be making rookie mistakes.
[01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:22.960]  And you learn from that because you're new too.
[01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:28.960]  So learn from somebody else, don't make your own rookie mistakes.
[01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:34.960]  You'll get a knack for yourself, and you will build bad habits.
[01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:37.960]  Okay, hang on.
[01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:44.960]  I'm shuckling because I'm thinking of all of the things I learned by my own mistakes.
[01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:50.960]  Three dislocated ribs, two broken collar bones, a broken elbow, on and on.
[01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.960]  But I've learned how not to let that happen anymore.
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[01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:29.960]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio here with Damon Jones and Casey Wailin.
[01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:33.960]  And Scott, I dumped you like a hot rock.
[01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:39.960]  I may get back to you later, but I'm really excited about this show.
[01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:46.960]  Anyone who's listened to the show for a long time is aware of my position on people.
[01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:51.960]  You know, we used to have guys come in and accuse people of being sheeple.
[01:46:51.960 --> 01:47:07.960]  Well, I was always put off by that because we have people out here that's got kids, they've got a couple of cars, they've got a mortgage, they've got two jobs, they've got all they can handle.
[01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:11.960]  The majority of the people, their plates are full.
[01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:24.960]  But out here dispersed within the population, there are people who have the mindset and are in a position to where they can stand up and take some action.
[01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:34.960]  I've been doing this show for 12 years now, and I'm looking for that one percent of the population is enough.
[01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.960]  There's plenty to get this done.
[01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:43.960]  And I've been struggling to find that, but then I come across this auditing community.
[01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:48.960]  Holy mackerel, we got all we need.
[01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:51.960]  We got enough guys out there.
[01:47:51.960 --> 01:48:06.960]  If we can now go in and give them some of the low-down, dirty-watton tools and maneuvers that we've developed over the years, then I've got about 30 years figuring out how to get this done.
[01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:24.960]  If we can take these guys who are doing audits, and there's really just one little step we need to give them, instead of just going in and poking the bear to get the bear to act ignorant,
[01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:31.960]  if we poke the bear in order to set the bear up so we can steam,
[01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:39.960]  now you've got a bunch of policemen with this guy in here auditing you and giving you a hard time,
[01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:46.960]  and you know he's trying to get you to do something so he can steam you.
[01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:49.960]  They will change everything.
[01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:59.960]  At this point, all the time I've been doing the show, I'm most excited about what I'm seeing right now with guys like Damien and Casey.
[01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:10.960]  Damien, you're an ex-policeman, so when did you start actually going out and doing audits, and what motivated you to do that?
[01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:17.960]  Well, it's a happy story, but a really muddied water beginning.
[01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:33.960]  I was at home and I was still working in law enforcement, but as a peace officer, Chief Deputy Constable, and I saw some of these audits,
[01:49:33.960 --> 01:49:43.960]  and I come across a guy who I do not wish to name, but he was doing some and he was homeless.
[01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:48.960]  At the time, he told me a yarn that fails.
[01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:55.960]  Well, I don't know the guy, just took him at his word because he basically told me he had done some time in prison,
[01:49:55.960 --> 01:50:00.960]  but he turned on his leaf and I said, well, perhaps if he's done time in prison,
[01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:06.960]  and he's probably spent a lot of time at the law library because he seems to know a lot about the law.
[01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:13.960]  And I tried to explain some other things to him about the law and I actually got his number and I called him and I said,
[01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:22.960]  sir, if you did this or the next thing or the next thing, you'd probably come out looking much better.
[01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:30.960]  The police could come out looking better and you would have got your point across and make effective change.
[01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:38.960]  So he basically said, look, I want you to do videos and audios and things,
[01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:45.960]  and I'm going to air them and pay you for your commentaries and so forth, and that didn't work out.
[01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.960]  Then I found out he was a lifelong criminal.
[01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:52.960]  I should have checked the amount. That's my fault. That's on me.
[01:50:52.960 --> 01:51:01.960]  He was a lifelong career criminal and a scam artist, and so I parted ways with him like a hot rock,
[01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:05.960]  like I had most in law in my hand that quick.
[01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:10.960]  So I said, I'm on to something here.
[01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:17.960]  There were a handful of people out doing this and I said, well, I don't know where I'm going to start,
[01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:20.960]  but I was commenting on other people's channels.
[01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:25.960]  Some of those people emailed me, switched phone numbers and said,
[01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:34.960]  we want you to be a part of us so bad we can taste it because you know the rules, you know the lingo,
[01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:38.960]  you know the nomenclature, you understand all of this.
[01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:45.960]  So who better to confront a peace officer than a 40 year retired peace officer?
[01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:54.960]  So you'll be going toe to toe. It would be much like two attorneys and a court of law sparring,
[01:51:54.960 --> 01:52:02.960]  except you'll be out there unarmed sparring with somebody that is armed, but you're sparring with your words
[01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.960]  and you're using the Constitution to back you up.
[01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:09.960]  So that's how I got involved in it.
[01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:19.960]  I have done this all my life because family and friends sometimes have been wrongly jailed or imprisoned.
[01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:22.960]  I've helped some get pardoned.
[01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:29.960]  I've helped some get their sentence commuted or get their case overturned.
[01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:39.960]  And so I've gone and talked to police about the right way and the wrong way ever since I was a kid.
[01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:44.960]  And I just wasn't real active. It's just here and there, here and there.
[01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:49.960]  So I was kind of practiced up on this throughout my life to some degree.
[01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:55.960]  And my daddy kept, he came out of the Marine Corps and he had done a lot of special duty.
[01:52:55.960 --> 01:53:00.960]  And he said, I don't care if you collect the garbage.
[01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:06.960]  He said, I don't care if you're a carbon replacement, you got to be the absolute best one.
[01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:12.960]  And my daddy taught me one of the most important lessons in my life when I was five years old.
[01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:13.960]  He said, come on.
[01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:15.960]  And he said, grab that ham and he had a turkey.
[01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.960]  He said, we got a hurry and run the back fence.
[01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:23.960]  I couldn't figure out what in the world he was doing.
[01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:27.960]  We had to meet the trash men at the back.
[01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:29.960]  And I said, why?
[01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:31.960]  He said, just, just listen and watch.
[01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:35.960]  So he gave a ham and turkey to the two garbage men.
[01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:37.960]  He said, God bless you.
[01:53:37.960 --> 01:53:40.960]  Thank you for your service to our community.
[01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.960]  You're more important than the dang mayor.
[01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:46.960]  They were amazed and blown away.
[01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:48.960]  They said, this is for us.
[01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:56.960]  If we leave garbage in the street, we'll get diphtheria and all kinds of diseases and society will break down.
[01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:58.960]  You are more important than the mayor.
[01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:01.960]  You're more important than the police dang near.
[01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:04.960]  So happy Thanksgiving.
[01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:12.960]  Well, turns out my mother forgot to pay a bill and guess whose trash kept getting picked up without that bill being paid.
[01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:17.960]  And eventually they said, we're supposed to give you this notice.
[01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.960]  They were no longer going to pick up your trash, but that's just a piece of paper.
[01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.960]  We'll always pick up your trash.
[01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:36.960]  What was an outstanding lesson to me that the people that they think are nobody are sometimes real somebody's?
[01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:41.960]  And I learned these life lessons hanging around the old people.
[01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:51.960]  People was born in the 1800s, probably 1900s, explained to me change and how things had changed and what was good and what was bad about it.
[01:54:51.960 --> 01:55:00.960]  So I'm trying to make society a good place for our prosperity just as our founding fathers did for us.
[01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:08.960]  And I suspect that most of these auditors are doing the same thing.
[01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:17.960]  Some of them, some of them are angrier than others, but we can work with that.
[01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:27.960]  If you focus energy the right way, then you can do a multitude of good.
[01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:36.960]  But if you don't, you short circuit and we all kind of suffer from that, you know, like you can have a whole police department.
[01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:41.960]  50 guys out there and they're doing a great job.
[01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:44.960]  Then one of them is doing a bad job.
[01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:54.960]  They're going to forget about all the good cops and look at this bad, this bad egg here acting any kind of way.
[01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:59.960]  And unfortunately, you've got all these good cops.
[01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:09.960]  So you think you're 49 to one, but there's some kind of brotherhood that says we got to work with him.
[01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:11.960]  We got to try and turn him around.
[01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:12.960]  We got to fix him.
[01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:15.960]  Well, usually he's getting back worse during that process.
[01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:18.960]  Then some good cops actually say, well, he's getting away with it.
[01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:19.960]  I'll do it.
[01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:21.960]  They're like little children sometimes.
[01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:24.960]  And so you get two or three bad eggs.
[01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:37.960]  So the good people, the good officers usually go pound their fist on the chief's desk and said, this guy's going to get somebody shot or killed, stabbed or wish they was.
[01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:39.960]  We got to do something about it.
[01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:53.960]  Well, because of bureaucracies and especially police unions and their contracts say that the chief or his administrative aid has to go through counseling has to do this thing and that thing.
[01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:55.960]  They got to get so many radups.
[01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:57.960]  They have to be valid complaints.
[01:56:57.960 --> 01:56:59.960]  They got to be in writing.
[01:56:59.960 --> 01:57:07.960]  And so working very hard, really hard as a team effort, it could take three to nine months to get a bad cop out.
[01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.960]  And he's done a lot of damage.
[01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:15.960]  You know, they need guys like you.
[01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:23.960]  That bad cop run into one of these auditors and he's going to have himself a romp through the legal system.
[01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:27.960]  He is not going to believe.
[01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:29.960]  That's what we do.
[01:57:29.960 --> 01:57:39.960]  And what I'm hoping that we can introduce into this mix is we don't want to harm the good officers.
[01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:42.960]  We want to make the good officers look better.
[01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:48.960]  But the ones that need to be gotten rid of, I had a sheriff's deputy try to kill me once.
[01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:52.960]  And then they prosecuted me for what he did.
[01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:54.960]  And I really took him on.
[01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:57.960]  And after this, that was over.
[01:57:57.960 --> 01:58:08.960]  I had a number of policemen come up to me and thank me for taking this guy on because he was out of control and there was nothing they could do to control him.
[01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:12.960]  I had a prosecutor once I'm arguing with him over an issue.
[01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:19.960]  He got up, went around me, closed the door, sat down and he said, Mr. Kelton, do not mention this out of this office.
[01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:21.960]  If you do, I'll call you a liar.
[01:58:21.960 --> 01:58:23.960]  But don't stop.
[01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:25.960]  I can't fix this.
[01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:28.960]  You may be the only one who can fix this.
[01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:35.960]  He got up, went around, opened the door and went back to arguing with me.
[01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:39.960]  You guys at the point of the spear, hang on, going to break.
[01:58:39.960 --> 01:59:08.960]  We'll be right back.
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