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[00:21.400 --> 00:27.760]  Markets for Waze at the 6th of February 2019 opened with gold at $1,313.70 an ounce, silver
[00:27.760 --> 00:35.240]  at $15.77 an ounce, copper at $2.83 an ounce, oil at Texas Crude at $3.66 a barrel, Brent
[00:35.240 --> 00:40.840]  Crude at $61.98 a barrel, and cryptos in order of market capitalization, Bitcoin at
[00:40.840 --> 00:54.320]  $3,401.64, Ripple at XRP at $0.29, Ethereum at $10.10, and Eos at $2.32 a crypto coin.
[00:54.320 --> 00:59.720]  Today in history, the year 1918, British women over the age of 30 who meet minimum property
[00:59.720 --> 01:04.640]  qualifications get the right to vote when the representation of the People Act of 1918
[01:04.640 --> 01:09.640]  was passed by Parliament.
[01:09.640 --> 01:14.280]  In recent news, several Texas-based organizations filed a lawsuit today requesting that a federal
[01:14.280 --> 01:19.040]  court stop the state from flagging about 95,000 people as potentially illegally registered
[01:19.040 --> 01:20.040]  to vote.
[01:20.040 --> 01:25.440]  This was compiled after an 11-month-long investigation by the Office of the Texas Secretary of State
[01:25.440 --> 01:30.080]  and the Texas Department of Public Safety, which sought to identify non-U.S. citizens
[01:30.080 --> 01:33.440]  who were registered to vote when obtaining a garbage license.
[01:33.440 --> 01:37.120]  Over half of the 95,000 did indeed vote, it seems.
[01:37.120 --> 01:41.160]  However, further controversy was raised when it became clear that some of the names were
[01:41.160 --> 01:45.480]  not in fact belonging to those who were non-citizens and registered.
[01:45.480 --> 01:50.960]  Apparently around 25% of all Latino immigrants become naturalized, gaining the right to vote.
[01:50.960 --> 01:55.360]  Registered voters who receive letters querying their citizenship have 30 days to respond
[01:55.360 --> 01:57.160]  with proof of eligibility.
[01:57.160 --> 02:01.360]  Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and David Whitley, the Texas Secretary of State, have
[02:01.360 --> 02:09.120]  yet to officially comment regarding this list and any updates pertaining to it.
[02:09.120 --> 02:14.520]  A Texas man of only 24 years old, William Brown, died from a severed artery in his neck after
[02:14.520 --> 02:17.040]  an artery, vape pen, exploded while he was using it.
[02:17.040 --> 02:20.760]  It apparently happened in the parking lot of the vape shop where he got it.
[02:20.760 --> 02:24.360]  An x-ray revealed that a piece of metal was embedded in his brainstem.
[02:24.360 --> 02:30.560]  The vape store's smoke and vape DZ has refused to comment.
[02:30.560 --> 02:35.320]  First edition anchorwoman, Kristen Diaz, interviewed Aislin Campbell, the executive director of
[02:35.320 --> 02:40.280]  Grow Local, South Texas, concerning the upcoming Texas Organic Farmers and Gardeners Association
[02:40.280 --> 02:44.680]  Conference, which will be taking place at the Corpus Christi Omni Hotel from February
[02:44.680 --> 02:47.600]  14th to 16th, 6 to 9 p.m.
[02:47.600 --> 02:51.600]  You can find the interview at kiiitv.com.
[02:51.600 --> 03:17.600]  This is Rick Rodeo with your lowdown for February 6th, 2019.
[03:17.600 --> 03:25.520]  Okay, we are back.
[03:25.520 --> 03:32.440]  Randy Kelton, rule of law radio, and we're talking to John in New York.
[03:32.440 --> 03:34.600]  John, you ran off the cliff again.
[03:34.600 --> 03:43.160]  Well, you see, what I need is a monitor that I can actually hear the air product, and I
[03:43.160 --> 03:48.360]  can see where you're having a problem, because now you're talking about boards, you're talking
[03:48.360 --> 03:55.000]  about program, what do you call it, software.
[03:55.000 --> 03:58.520]  Yeah, I have a clock here.
[03:58.520 --> 04:05.000]  I can see the clock, and it tells me how much time it says I've got 12 minutes and 57 seconds
[04:05.000 --> 04:06.000]  left.
[04:06.000 --> 04:08.000]  So, I can see the clock.
[04:08.000 --> 04:11.400]  Now, you have a countdown clock.
[04:11.400 --> 04:12.400]  What do you have?
[04:12.400 --> 04:15.680]  A countdown clock or a regular clock with a second sweep head?
[04:15.680 --> 04:16.680]  I've got both.
[04:16.680 --> 04:17.680]  They're both digital.
[04:17.680 --> 04:28.280]  I've got a time clock, and I've got a countdown clock, but when I'm talking, I'm running the
[04:28.280 --> 04:29.280]  board.
[04:29.280 --> 04:35.400]  I don't have a producer right now, so I bring myself in and take myself out, and I have to
[04:35.400 --> 04:44.040]  monitor that board, and I'm talking to you and trying to be careful about how I structure
[04:44.040 --> 04:49.200]  my language so that I'm not just talking to you and also talking to everybody else, and
[04:49.200 --> 04:55.080]  try to deliver information in a way people could understand, and then I have to monitor
[04:55.080 --> 05:00.680]  the clock at the same time, and I just run out of space and need to be able to hear the
[05:00.680 --> 05:05.680]  bumper music, but that's not something we can fix at the moment.
[05:05.680 --> 05:06.680]  All right.
[05:06.680 --> 05:11.720]  I can understand that, and that they see sometimes when you explain things, you're concentrating
[05:11.720 --> 05:12.720]  on so many things.
[05:12.720 --> 05:15.080]  I knew that that way you were going to say that.
[05:15.080 --> 05:20.480]  You're concentrating on some of the things that sometimes it's hard for you to, and this
[05:20.480 --> 05:24.640]  has happened to me several times, and then you think that, you know, I'm wearing a dunce
[05:24.640 --> 05:27.000]  cap that I didn't understand you.
[05:27.000 --> 05:32.640]  You see, sometimes you leave things out in your explanation, and when you're talking
[05:32.640 --> 05:37.400]  to someone that has no idea of what you're talking about, and if you forget something
[05:37.400 --> 05:42.720]  and you do a lot of that sometimes, you'll forget a key phrase that'll tie everything
[05:42.720 --> 05:48.880]  together, and now I'm scratching my head, and I don't know what's going on, and then
[05:48.880 --> 05:53.160]  you can explain it 69 different times, and I'm still not going to get it because you're
[05:53.160 --> 05:55.240]  trying to do too many things at once.
[05:55.240 --> 05:58.680]  So we have to solve that problem.
[05:58.680 --> 06:00.680]  Okay.
[06:00.680 --> 06:02.680]  Suggestion?
[06:02.680 --> 06:09.400]  Well, I've got to see your equipment because, you know, the equipment that we used to use,
[06:09.400 --> 06:13.320]  we used to use very simple, in fact, it was analog.
[06:13.320 --> 06:16.480]  It wasn't even digital in those days.
[06:16.480 --> 06:17.480]  It was all analog.
[06:17.480 --> 06:19.200]  It was tube type boards.
[06:19.200 --> 06:25.200]  We were using Collins boards out of the 1940s, believe it or not, and they sounded really
[06:25.200 --> 06:26.200]  good.
[06:26.200 --> 06:27.200]  Collins.
[06:27.200 --> 06:28.200]  Okay.
[06:28.200 --> 06:29.200]  Now you're talking about a mixer.
[06:29.200 --> 06:30.200]  Yeah.
[06:30.200 --> 06:32.200]  We're talking about the mixer.
[06:32.200 --> 06:38.560]  Now, this is, I've got a mixer here, but that's different.
[06:38.560 --> 06:42.920]  That's not the software I'm using to control the show, but anyway, that's off topic.
[06:42.920 --> 06:45.960]  Nobody else cares about that because it's kind of arcane dust to us.
[06:45.960 --> 06:46.960]  Okay.
[06:46.960 --> 06:47.960]  All right.
[06:47.960 --> 06:48.960]  This is an issue.
[06:48.960 --> 06:51.400]  We know this is an issue, and it's been an issue for a while.
[06:51.400 --> 06:55.440]  It's not something that's easy to fix, and we'd have had it fixed already.
[06:55.440 --> 06:56.440]  Right.
[06:56.440 --> 07:02.920]  Well, you see, if I were there, I probably could fix it because that was my job to solve
[07:02.920 --> 07:03.920]  problems.
[07:03.920 --> 07:08.800]  One day, we didn't have, all of a sudden, our seven-second delay pooped out on us, and
[07:08.800 --> 07:09.800]  we didn't have it.
[07:09.800 --> 07:15.360]  And we were getting into a conversation show with a controversial topic, and we knew somebody
[07:15.360 --> 07:19.520]  was going to eventually, during that hour, get on and say some words that they shouldn't
[07:19.520 --> 07:22.520]  have, and we wouldn't have any way to cut them off.
[07:22.520 --> 07:32.040]  So I grabbed two tape recorders, two, let's see, they were Ampexes, two Ampex tape recorders.
[07:32.040 --> 07:35.640]  I put one on top of the other.
[07:35.640 --> 07:39.840]  They were running around the studio, the manager, and the assistant, and everybody else.
[07:39.840 --> 07:43.680]  They were running around, and chickens with their heads cut off, and all I did was go
[07:43.680 --> 07:47.560]  into the production room, grab the other tape recorder, bring it into the control room,
[07:47.560 --> 07:52.240]  put one on top of the other, run the tape from the top machine down through the head
[07:52.240 --> 07:56.120]  to the bottom machine, and then we had our 10-second delay.
[07:56.120 --> 07:59.120]  And everybody's looking at each other going, why didn't we think of that?
[07:59.120 --> 08:02.520]  Well, that's what you pay me for, I think, on my feet.
[08:02.520 --> 08:09.400]  We got a problem in midstream, and we got 15 minutes to airtime, and that's what you
[08:09.400 --> 08:10.400]  pay me for.
[08:10.400 --> 08:14.520]  Even though you're paying me minimum wages at the time, I still don't think minimum
[08:14.520 --> 08:16.760]  wages, I think, like a pro.
[08:16.760 --> 08:23.200]  Well, the problem I have here is, it's your old school.
[08:23.200 --> 08:27.240]  I'm pretty good with code, but I can't write this code.
[08:27.240 --> 08:34.800]  This code's way too complex, and Deborah wrote all of the code, and if this was a simple
[08:34.800 --> 08:40.480]  fix, this would've been something that we could readily do should've done that already.
[08:40.480 --> 08:41.480]  Yeah, yeah.
[08:41.480 --> 08:47.040]  But see, in one sentence, what you need is to be able to monitor the air product.
[08:47.040 --> 08:48.040]  You want to monitor...
[08:48.040 --> 08:49.040]  Now, you guys have a...
[08:49.040 --> 08:52.320]  You've got about a 20-second delay or a 30-second delay?
[08:52.320 --> 08:54.720]  No, you don't have a delay.
[08:54.720 --> 08:59.360]  Well, what's on the Internet and what's on the phone are two different things.
[08:59.360 --> 09:00.920]  It comes through at different times.
[09:00.920 --> 09:04.960]  It's not our delay, it's the phone line delay.
[09:04.960 --> 09:06.200]  Oh, okay.
[09:06.200 --> 09:07.200]  Oh.
[09:07.200 --> 09:10.160]  See, what you need to do is be able to monitor what you're doing.
[09:10.160 --> 09:15.280]  We know what we need to do, but the equipment to do that with us is out of our range, and
[09:15.280 --> 09:16.280]  it has been.
[09:16.280 --> 09:17.280]  I see.
[09:17.280 --> 09:18.280]  Okay.
[09:18.280 --> 09:22.960]  Deborah's been wanting that since we started the show, but the cost is out of our range.
[09:22.960 --> 09:25.040]  We better keep the show running.
[09:25.040 --> 09:26.040]  Right.
[09:26.040 --> 09:30.320]  So, the last thing I'll tell you about that is, the best thing for you to do is just to
[09:30.320 --> 09:34.040]  monitor your countdown clock and monitor it closely.
[09:34.040 --> 09:35.520]  I got that.
[09:35.520 --> 09:37.040]  You already got it.
[09:37.040 --> 09:39.280]  I figured you already figured that out.
[09:39.280 --> 09:40.280]  Yes.
[09:40.280 --> 09:46.760]  I get, you know, a human being can generally hold in their conscious awareness seven plus
[09:46.760 --> 09:51.680]  or minus two pieces of disparate information at the same time.
[09:51.680 --> 10:00.920]  I just run out of space, trying to talk to a microphone where I can't see who I'm speaking
[10:00.920 --> 10:11.640]  to and try to take complex issues and frame them in a way that a cross-section of people
[10:11.640 --> 10:15.040]  can understand them is very difficult.
[10:15.040 --> 10:16.040]  Oh, I know.
[10:16.040 --> 10:17.040]  I know.
[10:17.040 --> 10:18.040]  And I could hear that.
[10:18.040 --> 10:21.440]  You see, when you spend 40 years in the business, there's a lot of things that you're doing
[10:21.440 --> 10:25.240]  that I'm aware of that most people aren't, and I've already figured I've already been
[10:25.240 --> 10:26.240]  there, done that.
[10:26.240 --> 10:29.240]  So, I know.
[10:29.240 --> 10:36.960]  It uses up my mental space, and frankly, running off the cliff is not something I'm terribly
[10:36.960 --> 10:40.600]  concerned about.
[10:40.600 --> 10:49.120]  Right now, because of the types of equipment we have to use, my producer can't talk to
[10:49.120 --> 10:52.120]  me while I'm on the air.
[10:52.120 --> 10:56.800]  Now, Deborah can when she's producing from the studio, but if we have a remote producer,
[10:56.800 --> 11:01.960]  he can't talk to me while I'm on the air, or he could tell me when I'm approaching the
[11:01.960 --> 11:02.960]  edge of the cliff.
[11:02.960 --> 11:05.200]  But right now, I don't even have a producer.
[11:05.200 --> 11:09.440]  All I need is a tiny beep, just something to tell me it's coming.
[11:09.440 --> 11:14.800]  And if I could hear any of the bumper music, that would be fine, but I can't.
[11:14.800 --> 11:16.800]  Yeah, got it.
[11:16.800 --> 11:18.800]  It's not easy to fix, so.
[11:18.800 --> 11:23.640]  Anyway, we're using up everybody's time on a conversation probably nobody else cares
[11:23.640 --> 11:24.640]  about.
[11:24.640 --> 11:27.000]  So, what else do you have for us?
[11:27.000 --> 11:28.280]  Well, let me wrap it up.
[11:28.280 --> 11:29.400]  Let me see if I understand it.
[11:29.400 --> 11:30.880]  I think I got it.
[11:30.880 --> 11:37.040]  So, I'm going to take it from the top of the ticket.
[11:37.040 --> 11:42.560]  It says, no seat belt, and the cop said, well, it was later determined that he may have been
[11:42.560 --> 11:45.560]  wearing it, but wearing it improperly.
[11:45.560 --> 11:52.240]  And do we care about Watertown's judges and other judges in New York State that they said,
[11:52.240 --> 11:56.760]  well, number one, the law is too vague, number two, we're going to dismiss the ticket because
[11:56.760 --> 12:00.960]  the cop was trying to write something, we're in a law that doesn't exist.
[12:00.960 --> 12:02.800]  You can't wear it this way and that way.
[12:02.800 --> 12:07.760]  There's no bad way to wear it and it doesn't say it in the law.
[12:07.760 --> 12:10.920]  So we have, the ticket says no seat belt.
[12:10.920 --> 12:13.720]  I have a question.
[12:13.720 --> 12:14.720]  Yes.
[12:14.720 --> 12:18.720]  The judge said this.
[12:18.720 --> 12:19.720]  Yeah.
[12:19.720 --> 12:23.120]  Where did you get this?
[12:23.120 --> 12:27.080]  Was this restated by an appellate court?
[12:27.080 --> 12:28.080]  No.
[12:28.080 --> 12:30.200]  I know that that's going to hurt.
[12:30.200 --> 12:31.200]  That's going to hurt.
[12:31.200 --> 12:33.120]  It was a regular village court.
[12:33.120 --> 12:36.320]  Now, I got to get one from an appellate court, I would imagine.
[12:36.320 --> 12:39.720]  Yes, a village court is of no value.
[12:39.720 --> 12:40.720]  Excuse me.
[12:40.720 --> 12:44.080]  I have my voice issue.
[12:44.080 --> 12:48.200]  It alerted me to the fact, you once asked me, what's the law say?
[12:48.200 --> 12:55.120]  And I said, I didn't really, I was pretty sure that it doesn't say how to wear it.
[12:55.120 --> 12:56.120]  And I was right.
[12:56.120 --> 13:01.720]  See, what this did was it illuminated the fact that I was correct.
[13:01.720 --> 13:05.240]  When I read the seat belt law, I was reading it correct and I wasn't sure at the time when
[13:05.240 --> 13:11.400]  you asked me if I was reading it correctly and that is to say that it just says that
[13:11.400 --> 13:13.760]  the person should be restrained by the seat belt.
[13:13.760 --> 13:17.640]  It doesn't say you can't wear it under your arm, you can't wear it over your nose.
[13:17.640 --> 13:19.640]  It doesn't say any of those things.
[13:19.640 --> 13:28.400]  Oh, I think I have an idea of how to give them a problem.
[13:28.400 --> 13:33.280]  This goes to a constitutional issue.
[13:33.280 --> 13:34.520]  Okay.
[13:34.520 --> 13:42.000]  The application of the seat belt law in this manner is an unconstitutional application
[13:42.000 --> 13:43.520]  of the law.
[13:43.520 --> 13:44.520]  Okay.
[13:44.520 --> 13:52.800]  Because the law is not clear enough so the reasonable person of ordinary prudence can
[13:52.800 --> 14:01.440]  read the law and know that there is, they will be held to a standard of how to wear
[14:01.440 --> 14:02.440]  the belt.
[14:02.440 --> 14:04.520]  That's exactly what it was.
[14:04.520 --> 14:06.000]  That they are required to wear it.
[14:06.000 --> 14:14.000]  So since the statute does not explain how to wear the belt, the statute's unconstitutionally
[14:14.000 --> 14:18.960]  vague if it is enforced in this manner.
[14:18.960 --> 14:23.840]  The only word that wasn't included in the judge in Watertown, New York, is explanation
[14:23.840 --> 14:27.120]  and other judges was the word unconstitutional.
[14:27.120 --> 14:28.240]  He didn't say that.
[14:28.240 --> 14:29.240]  They didn't say that.
[14:29.240 --> 14:31.800]  All they said was what you just said.
[14:31.800 --> 14:33.720]  That's exactly what they said.
[14:33.720 --> 14:34.720]  That the...
[14:34.720 --> 14:35.720]  Go ahead.
[14:35.720 --> 14:36.720]  Okay.
[14:36.720 --> 14:41.000]  Unconstitutional is precisely what they were referring to.
[14:41.000 --> 14:44.680]  That was, that's what gave them standing to raise that issue.
[14:44.680 --> 14:45.680]  Right.
[14:45.680 --> 14:52.240]  The law is to be clear enough so that a reasonable person of ordinary prudence can read it and
[14:52.240 --> 14:55.560]  understand when they would be in violation of it.
[14:55.560 --> 15:02.000]  Those are the exact words the judges have used, prudence, et cetera, reasonable person
[15:02.000 --> 15:03.000]  and prudence.
[15:03.000 --> 15:07.760]  That's exactly what they said.
[15:07.760 --> 15:14.360]  This is what the constitutional standard goes to, and it always goes to the standard of
[15:14.360 --> 15:17.800]  a reasonable person of ordinary prudence.
[15:17.800 --> 15:22.200]  Not a professional, not a lawyer, just an ordinary person.
[15:22.200 --> 15:27.320]  This is exactly the issue I will be bringing to the SEC.
[15:27.320 --> 15:28.320]  Right.
[15:28.320 --> 15:37.720]  If I have a term of art in a statute and that term of art is not defined within that section
[15:37.720 --> 15:43.680]  then I cannot be expected to guess what it means.
[15:43.680 --> 15:57.680]  I have a one whole section that requires that the person be in compliance with 77D6.
[15:57.680 --> 16:01.280]  There is no such a thing as 77D6.
[16:01.280 --> 16:02.280]  Right.
[16:02.280 --> 16:13.120]  There is such thing as a 77D6, but you can't ask me to make that extrapolation.
[16:13.120 --> 16:17.960]  If the law doesn't say that, I can't guess at what it should have been.
[16:17.960 --> 16:22.640]  It's a typo in the code, makes the code unenforceable.
[16:22.640 --> 16:23.640]  Hang on.
[16:23.640 --> 16:24.640]  Be right back.
[16:24.640 --> 16:38.320]  Excuse me, having a voice issue.
[16:38.320 --> 16:39.320]  We're going to break.
[16:39.320 --> 16:40.320]  I went to break a little bit early.
[16:40.320 --> 16:51.640]  I'll try to fix this on the break, but I'm out of scotch, so it's going to be tough.
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[19:00.480 --> 19:18.600]  Well, don't let nothing get to you, only the father can deliver you, don't let bad-mined
[19:18.600 --> 19:34.000]  people hurt you, unless it's a debt behind you.
[19:34.000 --> 19:38.720]  Okay, I am back, Randy Kelton, we're ruleoflawradio and we're talking to John in New York and
[19:38.720 --> 19:44.840]  John, you ought to be ashamed of yourself when we're going to the break, never speak.
[19:44.840 --> 19:50.640]  I thought I had you muted, but the mute didn't take.
[19:50.640 --> 19:55.640]  Okay, I didn't swear, did I?
[19:55.640 --> 19:58.600]  You didn't swear, that's good.
[19:58.600 --> 20:11.600]  Yesterday, I went out a little bit early, so I went over to the producer board and hit
[20:11.600 --> 20:17.320]  the go to break early so it would break us out, but it took me too long to get there
[20:17.320 --> 20:23.640]  and when I hit it, we were two seconds from going out anyway and when you do that, sometimes
[20:23.640 --> 20:30.640]  it confuses the macro, so we wound up not going off the air and they could hear me talking
[20:30.640 --> 20:31.640]  on the break.
[20:31.640 --> 20:34.440]  Yeah, I heard you talking through the break, yeah.
[20:34.440 --> 20:38.360]  Okay, that was an oops, good thing I didn't say anything obnoxious.
[20:38.360 --> 20:45.040]  Well, we always trained ourselves when you're in the control room or the production room,
[20:45.040 --> 20:48.480]  you never say anything in there, you wouldn't want to go over the air, never.
[20:48.480 --> 20:56.600]  Yeah, that's what we're doing, that's what we're careful about that, okay.
[20:56.600 --> 21:05.240]  So you're good, your issue is a good constitutional issue and this is not so much law as politics,
[21:05.240 --> 21:14.960]  the last thing they want to happen is to get a ruling on a constitutional issue, so I always
[21:14.960 --> 21:21.280]  look for arguments they're not going to want to take to an appellate court, they're not
[21:21.280 --> 21:26.480]  going to want to risk getting a ruling against them, there are a lot of arguments you can
[21:26.480 --> 21:34.960]  take, but most of them they don't care about, but if you get a ruling that will hamstring
[21:34.960 --> 21:40.760]  them in some way, then they're not going to want that to happen, they're not going to
[21:40.760 --> 21:45.120]  want to take a chance of getting a ruling against them, so I'm always looking for the
[21:45.120 --> 21:54.840]  obnoxious issues and especially I'm always looking for an unconstitutional application
[21:54.840 --> 22:05.840]  of the court, this is the kinds of things that the supreme will look at, so that's what
[22:05.840 --> 22:16.360]  you want, you want something that if you get a bad ruling, then and you take it to the
[22:16.360 --> 22:22.080]  court of appeals and the court of appeals rules in the trial court's favor, it creates
[22:22.080 --> 22:32.840]  a precedent that everybody can use to the disadvantage of the corpus juris, then another
[22:32.840 --> 22:40.120]  court's going to have to come back and fix it, well the court of appeals, their rulings
[22:40.120 --> 22:48.120]  go to the sanctity of the body of law, because every weak spot you put in the code these
[22:48.120 --> 22:55.520]  eyes to lawyers are going to use it to generate injustice, so that's why I told people that
[22:55.520 --> 23:02.480]  the court of appeals lives in a different place than the trial court judge does and
[23:02.480 --> 23:11.040]  that's why Dr. Graves says your only purpose in the trial court is to set the record for
[23:11.040 --> 23:19.000]  appeal, that's all you care about because it is in the trial court where the decisions
[23:19.000 --> 23:28.640]  on the application of law are made, but that's not quite enough, you want to bring issues
[23:28.640 --> 23:38.920]  to the court of appeals that will help you but a ruling against you would disrupt the
[23:38.920 --> 23:48.240]  corpus juris, create a bad precedent that other lawyers could then use in other cases
[23:48.240 --> 23:55.080]  to create injustice, so that's what they look for, so we as the litigants, we need to figure
[23:55.080 --> 24:03.040]  out how to create those political pressures, the judge comes up to reelection in just a
[24:03.040 --> 24:08.520]  short time, in a short time the judge comes up for reelection by the way, the file criminal
[24:08.520 --> 24:18.920]  charges against him, go to whoever he's running against and tell him this guy is a scoundrel
[24:18.920 --> 24:24.560]  I filed all these criminal charges against him and his opponent will bring up those
[24:24.560 --> 24:31.680]  criminal charges and the judge is going to say oh well those are all bogus, yeah maybe,
[24:31.680 --> 24:43.160]  but perception is everything, and the public in general will say if this judge is so bad
[24:43.160 --> 24:48.960]  that the public is filing criminal charges against him, there must be something wrong,
[24:48.960 --> 25:01.480]  whether there is or not, this is how politics works, so steam good, yeah we already did
[25:01.480 --> 25:06.920]  that, we already went to the guy that's coming up against him in election and made him aware
[25:06.920 --> 25:17.080]  of it, good, so they'll get on a debate somewhere and you'll bring this up to the judge, oh
[25:17.080 --> 25:25.320]  that will make him unhappy, oh I know, I know, so how many charges do I get, you know the
[25:25.320 --> 25:33.720]  situation, we've gone over it 89 times in the last, whatever, so what are the charges
[25:33.720 --> 25:40.400]  against the top and the judge, can you just briefly summarize them?
[25:40.400 --> 25:50.160]  Perjury, collusion, acting in concert collusion, perjury, I'd have to sit down and I can find
[25:50.160 --> 25:56.320]  more than that, but let's do that off the air, we're probably driving everybody crazy
[25:56.320 --> 26:01.040]  going over the same thing over and over, I'd have to go back through all the details,
[26:01.040 --> 26:10.120]  the off changing is testimony in good, in mid course, they failed to give you, render
[26:10.120 --> 26:17.680]  due process by failing to give you nature and cause, they charged you for one thing and
[26:17.680 --> 26:26.840]  prostituted you for another, well actually the judge didn't say guilty of no seatbelt,
[26:26.840 --> 26:33.000]  he did support what was on the ticket as the reason for the guilty verdict, okay, but there
[26:33.000 --> 26:42.440]  was no evidence, there was actually evidence to the contrary, the judge has a duty to properly
[26:42.440 --> 26:52.760]  apply the law to the facts and fail to do so, it's a breach of abuse of discretion,
[26:52.760 --> 26:59.080]  of the judge, of the abuse of discretion is beyond the scope of the judge and if that
[26:59.080 --> 27:07.560]  abuse has the effect of denying you a due process, that's a fisherman's conduct.
[27:07.560 --> 27:12.640]  And that goes to the district attorney or does this case go to another magistrate, who would
[27:12.640 --> 27:13.640]  do it first?
[27:13.640 --> 27:14.640]  Grand jury.
[27:14.640 --> 27:18.000]  Oh, go to the district attorney.
[27:18.000 --> 27:23.360]  You can file it with a magistrate just so you can file one against the magistrate, that's
[27:23.360 --> 27:27.840]  what I generally like to do, with the time I get to the grand jury, I want to show the
[27:27.840 --> 27:34.640]  grand jury that the prosecutor, the other judges, everybody lines up to protect these
[27:34.640 --> 27:43.000]  guys from their bad behavior, yeah, so I only do that if I want to be able to discredit
[27:43.000 --> 27:44.000]  everybody.
[27:44.000 --> 27:47.880]  Right, right, do you think that calls for it in this case?
[27:47.880 --> 27:53.440]  And okay, look, John, I can't keep hammering this to death, all my same questions over
[27:53.440 --> 27:58.240]  and over and over, we've been over this enough, okay, let's do it, okay, we're done, we're
[27:58.240 --> 27:59.240]  done.
[27:59.240 --> 28:00.840]  Okay, thank you, John.
[28:00.840 --> 28:01.840]  Oh, thanks.
[28:01.840 --> 28:07.120]  Okay, now we're going to go to Danny in Tennessee, hello Danny.
[28:07.120 --> 28:10.000]  All right, hey, how are you doing?
[28:10.000 --> 28:13.440]  Doing good, what do you have for us today?
[28:13.440 --> 28:18.920]  Well, just a continuation of what was started last week, where I was talking about the definition
[28:18.920 --> 28:29.440]  of vehicle and it amounting to vehicle being a legal status, something like person rather
[28:29.440 --> 28:36.400]  than just a general term for something on the highway.
[28:36.400 --> 28:45.160]  And the two conditions is that the vehicle, if it is being used to transport persons or
[28:45.160 --> 28:57.480]  property on the highway, or if it may or has permission or license to do that.
[28:57.480 --> 29:03.760]  And so, if your license has expired, that is the registration because they give you
[29:03.760 --> 29:12.160]  a license plate to identify your car or whatever as being a vehicle, and that would be in commerce
[29:12.160 --> 29:13.160]  then.
[29:13.160 --> 29:21.480]  Okay, so vehicle equates to commerce.
[29:21.480 --> 29:35.880]  Or does the fact that you have licensed your, what did the guy last night call it, piloting
[29:35.880 --> 29:48.080]  his Land Cruiser or something, anyway, the fact that you have licensed it for the purposes
[29:48.080 --> 29:57.480]  of commercial transportation, does that necessarily make it a vehicle, or is it only a vehicle
[29:57.480 --> 30:03.560]  if you have licensed it for that purpose?
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[33:29.640 --> 33:36.320]  Okay we are back, Randy Kelton with the radio, and I'm sitting here with two screens and
[33:36.320 --> 33:41.000]  I've switched my panels around while looking at the right panel.
[33:41.000 --> 33:44.880]  Maybe I won't run off the cliff as many times.
[33:44.880 --> 33:56.720]  Okay Danny, what I was saying was, does it become a vehicle when it is operated in commerce?
[33:56.720 --> 34:08.080]  Or does it become a vehicle when it is licensed for the purpose of commerce?
[34:08.080 --> 34:13.360]  Well the way I read this is when it's licensed.
[34:13.360 --> 34:18.800]  Because I read the definition again, the pertinent part of it, vehicle means every device in
[34:18.800 --> 34:27.920]  a phone or by which any person or property is, or may be transported or drawn upon a public highway.
[34:27.920 --> 34:32.560]  Ah, transported or drawn.
[34:32.560 --> 34:37.360]  Well, drawn is like a trider, you know, a backland after a trider.
[34:37.360 --> 34:41.760]  So transported specifically goes to transportation.
[34:41.760 --> 34:46.000]  Drawn does not.
[34:46.000 --> 34:57.360]  Well, I've got a little utility trailer that I use to haul my garbage to the dump.
[34:57.360 --> 35:02.560]  That utility trailer will be licensed.
[35:02.560 --> 35:11.280]  Is it a vehicle because it has the license on it, or does it only become a vehicle
[35:11.280 --> 35:22.000]  if I am drawing it for the purpose of commerce?
[35:22.000 --> 35:29.680]  Well, I think being drawn also by a vehicle is probably the way they would construe this.
[35:29.680 --> 35:33.200]  No, we can't do that.
[35:33.200 --> 35:38.400]  We need to look at what they have, how they have construe it.
[35:38.400 --> 35:41.920]  This is a term of art.
[35:41.920 --> 35:45.360]  Vehicle is clearly a term of art.
[35:45.360 --> 35:48.400]  It must be defined somewhere.
[35:48.400 --> 35:57.520]  And that definition, if it only had for transporting and didn't also include or drawn,
[35:57.520 --> 36:02.560]  then I would say clearly it goes to commerce.
[36:02.560 --> 36:12.560]  But drawn mitigates that, so we can't automatically assume it's in commerce.
[36:12.560 --> 36:20.560]  So the term does not necessarily imply commerce.
[36:20.560 --> 36:25.600]  That's what calls it calling it a four-wheel whiz bang.
[36:25.600 --> 36:36.640]  It doesn't matter what you call it, it doesn't imply a specific legal status.
[36:36.640 --> 36:46.000]  Okay, well, let's not concentrate on that so much, but more of the transported to like a car or pickup truck.
[36:46.000 --> 36:54.240]  But the problem with the definition is it's transport or drawn.
[36:54.240 --> 36:59.440]  So we can't lump them together.
[36:59.440 --> 37:02.160]  Well, how would it be drawn?
[37:02.160 --> 37:05.200]  It's irrelevant, it's not in the law.
[37:05.200 --> 37:07.920]  The law doesn't speak to that.
[37:07.920 --> 37:14.000]  So it's irrelevant how it's drawn.
[37:14.000 --> 37:20.400]  Okay, what about a case where there's not something being drawn?
[37:20.400 --> 37:26.320]  It is transport or pickup truck, yeah.
[37:26.320 --> 37:29.840]  Okay, what is the purpose of this definition?
[37:29.840 --> 37:32.800]  Where are we going with this?
[37:32.800 --> 37:44.720]  Well, the requirement for registration, license, insurance, inspection all goes to being done on vehicles.
[37:44.720 --> 37:52.240]  So reading it closely, we would say transporting or drawn.
[37:52.240 --> 38:04.080]  So that would be a commercial truck, automobile, taxi or trailer.
[38:04.080 --> 38:08.240]  But not necessarily a personal conveyance.
[38:08.240 --> 38:14.640]  The distinction I'm trying to make is not really so arcane as all that.
[38:14.640 --> 38:22.720]  That implies a inherent nature of vehicle.
[38:22.720 --> 38:31.040]  And when it goes to commerce and not commerce, it's essentially irrelevant
[38:31.040 --> 38:39.680]  whether it's a vehicle or not, whether it's licensed to be in commerce or not.
[38:39.680 --> 38:44.560]  What makes it commerce is what it's actually doing.
[38:44.560 --> 38:51.280]  So if I have a 40-foot tractor trailer and I back up to a warehouse and unload it
[38:51.280 --> 38:57.840]  and I dead head from that location to another location, I am not in commerce.
[38:57.840 --> 39:00.720]  I am drawn, I have a vehicle drawn.
[39:00.720 --> 39:06.720]  I'm in transport, I've got a transport vehicle designed for that purpose.
[39:06.720 --> 39:12.480]  But if I'm deadheading, I'm not using it for that purpose.
[39:12.480 --> 39:15.280]  So not in commerce.
[39:15.280 --> 39:20.320]  The way you're reading this definition, you're implying that the vehicle is
[39:20.320 --> 39:30.560]  necessarily in commerce because it's defined as a commercial vehicle.
[39:30.560 --> 39:35.040]  And my argument is what it is is not relevant.
[39:35.040 --> 39:39.920]  How it's used is that it's less relevant.
[39:39.920 --> 39:41.920]  Well, is that what this actually says?
[39:41.920 --> 39:45.680]  Because it says maybe, maybe in permission.
[39:45.680 --> 39:48.800]  It has obtained permission to be used this way.
[39:48.800 --> 39:56.800]  No, may can also mean, depending on the context, possibility.
[39:56.800 --> 40:02.960]  And in this case, may doesn't mean permission, it means possibility.
[40:02.960 --> 40:08.800]  You could replace may with can and it's more clear.
[40:08.800 --> 40:13.760]  Well, if it's that way, why is the is in place?
[40:13.760 --> 40:20.240]  If anything that could be used is a vehicle, why is it necessary to put the is in there?
[40:20.240 --> 40:24.160]  So, oh, Keras, I don't understand this.
[40:24.160 --> 40:26.800]  So it's a vehicle, so what?
[40:26.800 --> 40:27.760]  What does that mean?
[40:27.760 --> 40:34.240]  OK, the vehicle is the thing that's subject to license, driver license.
[40:34.240 --> 40:35.120]  Where?
[40:35.120 --> 40:36.800]  A license plate.
[40:36.800 --> 40:38.400]  No, no, where?
[40:38.400 --> 40:40.480]  Where in law?
[40:40.480 --> 40:44.720]  Does it, does the fact that it's a vehicle?
[40:44.720 --> 40:46.000]  OK, hold on.
[40:46.000 --> 40:51.120]  OK, subject to license.
[40:51.120 --> 40:53.120]  OK.
[40:53.120 --> 40:57.840]  So even if I have a private conveyance, it's subject to license.
[40:57.840 --> 41:08.960]  And in Tennessee, I think the case is Conley v. State, the courts have ruled that the state
[41:08.960 --> 41:15.520]  has an inherent interest in the safety of the public.
[41:15.520 --> 41:26.000]  And they can require a license for the purpose of, for the limited purpose of,
[41:26.000 --> 41:35.280]  ensuring competence on the part of the operator and knowledge of the rules of the road.
[41:35.280 --> 41:39.360]  The state can require you to be licensed.
[41:39.360 --> 41:51.440]  They can require you to license a conveyance that's operated on the highways.
[41:51.440 --> 41:55.760]  So what?
[41:55.760 --> 42:01.200]  How does, what does that have to do with commerce?
[42:01.200 --> 42:06.240]  The definition having transport in it.
[42:06.240 --> 42:10.000]  How does that make you in commerce?
[42:10.000 --> 42:12.320]  It doesn't necessarily make in commerce.
[42:12.320 --> 42:15.840]  It doesn't say that you are, says you may be.
[42:15.840 --> 42:17.040]  You're a little held.
[42:17.040 --> 42:23.280]  And then, it sounds like you're making a distinction without a difference.
[42:23.280 --> 42:26.720]  The question becomes, so what?
[42:26.720 --> 42:28.640]  So what, what if it is a vehicle?
[42:28.640 --> 42:29.440]  So what?
[42:29.440 --> 42:30.480]  What does that mean?
[42:30.480 --> 42:31.680]  What if it is?
[42:31.680 --> 42:33.440]  What if it is what?
[42:33.440 --> 42:35.040]  What if it is a vehicle?
[42:35.040 --> 42:39.120]  If I, if I stipulate this is a vehicle.
[42:39.120 --> 42:40.160]  So what?
[42:40.160 --> 42:41.360]  What does that mean?
[42:41.360 --> 42:42.720]  Okay, so what?
[42:42.720 --> 42:45.280]  That's what's required to be licensed.
[42:45.280 --> 42:45.760]  Okay.
[42:45.760 --> 42:48.080]  That's required to have a driver license.
[42:48.080 --> 42:52.240]  That's exactly what the law says.
[42:52.240 --> 42:54.800]  Yeah, that is exactly what the law says.
[42:54.800 --> 42:55.280]  Okay.
[42:55.280 --> 42:55.680]  Vehicle.
[42:55.680 --> 43:01.200]  And it's not, it's been ruled it's not unconstitutional.
[43:01.200 --> 43:04.160]  I wouldn't say that that is unconstitutional.
[43:04.160 --> 43:10.320]  Okay, then you're apparently going to this definition for some purpose.
[43:10.320 --> 43:14.720]  I don't understand what it is.
[43:14.720 --> 43:24.160]  Well, when it refers to a device that can be used.
[43:24.160 --> 43:33.520]  So if you do not have the license or permission to use it as for transportation,
[43:33.520 --> 43:37.040]  and you are not actually using it for transportation,
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[46:23.200 --> 46:30.240]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Danny in Tennessee,
[46:30.240 --> 46:32.960]  and Danny, I don't see you on my board.
[46:34.960 --> 46:38.000]  It looks like you dropped off. You want to call back in?
[46:39.760 --> 46:48.080]  Sounded like I was being difficult and being pedantic. I haven't used that term in a while,
[46:48.080 --> 46:55.280]  but I've run into this a lot where people are confused about the law because they're
[46:56.880 --> 47:02.880]  using definitions that, in this case, the definition, okay, Danny's back,
[47:04.960 --> 47:12.240]  you seem to be implying that if it's called a vehicle, or if it is a vehicle,
[47:12.240 --> 47:22.560]  that means something in particular that goes to some type of requirement or adjudication.
[47:25.520 --> 47:28.400]  Why do I care if it's called a vehicle or not?
[47:32.240 --> 47:33.360]  Definitely you're up.
[47:33.360 --> 47:45.280]  Okay, vehicle is what requires a driver license. Vehicle is what requires registration.
[47:46.160 --> 47:47.440]  Where does it say that?
[47:49.680 --> 47:58.080]  Well, in Title 55 of the Tennessee Code, which is basically the
[47:58.080 --> 48:08.000]  motor vehicle and other vehicle laws in Texas, I mean in Tennessee.
[48:10.320 --> 48:11.920]  Okay, that's transportation code.
[48:13.120 --> 48:15.440]  Yeah, it's basically transportation code for Tennessee.
[48:15.440 --> 48:19.280]  Where in the transportation code? You're speaking to something very specific,
[48:19.920 --> 48:25.680]  but then you're referencing it generally, and what I'm concerned is here is you may be working
[48:25.680 --> 48:34.000]  from an unstated presupposition. What are you supposing about vehicle, and how do you develop
[48:34.000 --> 48:46.720]  that supposition? Always want to ask the question, so what? Who cares? So what is the vehicle?
[48:48.400 --> 48:54.320]  And never make a proactive statement of law out of your mouth. So where does the law assign
[48:54.320 --> 48:59.600]  a specific quality to vehicle? In the definition of vehicle.
[49:02.960 --> 49:10.000]  You're running around in a circle. This is circular logic. Vehicle is a vehicle,
[49:10.000 --> 49:14.240]  because vehicle says it's a vehicle, and a vehicle is a vehicle, and it means something
[49:14.240 --> 49:18.320]  because it is a vehicle, but you're not going to tell me what it means just that it does mean
[49:18.320 --> 49:29.360]  something. I don't know what you're talking about. It's a vehicle. Is a conveyance addressed
[49:29.360 --> 49:35.200]  in the law anywhere? I'm not sure. It comes up in some court cases.
[49:38.320 --> 49:43.760]  At this point, I don't care about court cases. Statute. What does the statute say?
[49:43.760 --> 49:51.120]  Now, the case law in Tennessee says that the state has an inherent interest,
[49:51.920 --> 50:01.360]  and they can require licensing. Licensing is payment for use of the roads.
[50:01.360 --> 50:11.760]  A driver's license for the restricted purpose of demonstrating confidence and knowledge,
[50:14.480 --> 50:20.960]  and giving you, making it such that you may operate in commerce.
[50:20.960 --> 50:32.720]  You're implying that if I have a conveyance that is capable of acting in commerce,
[50:32.720 --> 50:39.920]  it is necessarily legally in commerce. I don't see that anywhere.
[50:41.120 --> 50:42.560]  No, it's not what it is.
[50:42.560 --> 50:50.000]  No, I'm trying to get it. What your point is, what do I care if it's a vehicle?
[50:52.000 --> 51:01.200]  Because all the laws govern vehicles, not the devices that become vehicles when they meet
[51:01.200 --> 51:07.680]  who wants to. Okay, what does that mean? What? So you're saying if I have something
[51:07.680 --> 51:12.160]  that's not defined as a vehicle, it doesn't, none of the laws apply to it.
[51:14.160 --> 51:17.600]  Well, it still needs to be reasonably safe. You can't be reckless.
[51:19.040 --> 51:22.720]  We're not talking about ration and reason. We're talking about law.
[51:24.400 --> 51:31.600]  We can't just oppose how we think things ought to be with how things are. You're talking about
[51:31.600 --> 51:39.440]  what the definition of vehicle means, not what we think the definition of vehicle should mean.
[51:41.600 --> 51:42.560]  That making sense?
[51:46.960 --> 51:51.040]  Well, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. What the definition actually is.
[51:52.720 --> 51:55.520]  Okay, it seems relatively clear.
[51:55.520 --> 52:01.200]  Well, I thought so too to what started talking with you.
[52:02.320 --> 52:14.720]  Well, it's something used for transport or drawn. Okay, but what does that mean?
[52:16.720 --> 52:20.480]  It's a distinction, but it appears to be a distinction without a difference.
[52:20.480 --> 52:28.000]  Okay, the word that I'm keying on is not, well, transported,
[52:28.000 --> 52:33.120]  come part of it. The main thing is may. May means...
[52:33.120 --> 52:40.000]  I don't understand. Distinction without a difference. What difference does it make?
[52:43.120 --> 52:49.120]  If you accepted the license to use it as a vehicle, it is a vehicle.
[52:49.120 --> 52:51.280]  Well, so what?
[52:51.280 --> 52:58.880]  If you actually are using it as a vehicle by transporting persons or property,
[53:00.240 --> 53:03.680]  then it is a vehicle. So what?
[53:06.880 --> 53:13.920]  So if you're not doing either of those things, I mean, if you're not registered and you're not
[53:13.920 --> 53:20.560]  actually transporting persons or property, then it's not a vehicle. So what?
[53:22.320 --> 53:29.680]  What does that mean? Who cares? How does that in any way affect how the law applies to me?
[53:33.280 --> 53:38.480]  Because if it's a vehicle, it does apply. If it's not a vehicle... What applies?
[53:38.480 --> 53:42.960]  What difference does it make? What law applies?
[53:46.080 --> 53:49.920]  The law requires driver's license. The law requires...
[53:49.920 --> 53:51.680]  But the code says...
[53:54.640 --> 54:04.160]  The code says that before anyone can operate a motorized conveyance on the roads of the state
[54:04.160 --> 54:10.400]  of Tennessee, the state of Tennessee, can require them to have a driver's license without regard
[54:10.400 --> 54:17.920]  to commerce. Okay, where is that found? Connelly, I think it's Connelly v. State.
[54:19.520 --> 54:28.480]  They said that the state has an inherent interest in the safety of the public and for the limited
[54:28.480 --> 54:36.480]  purpose of determining competency in operating vehicles and knowledge of the rules of the road,
[54:36.480 --> 54:37.840]  they can require a license.
[54:43.120 --> 54:45.200]  I'll have to go look that one up and have a come across.
[54:45.200 --> 54:48.880]  You're spying that it is automatically commerce.
[54:48.880 --> 54:59.120]  You're making the wrong distinction. You will never ever win that argument because it's irrelevant.
[54:59.120 --> 55:04.320]  The only thing that's relevant is what you are doing at the time.
[55:07.920 --> 55:14.160]  Are you conducting yourself in a way that brings you within the statutory scheme?
[55:14.160 --> 55:23.200]  This is a commercial transportation code. Just because I have a 40-foot tractor trailer
[55:23.920 --> 55:28.960]  with all of the licensing that I could operate this thing in commerce if I wanted to,
[55:30.640 --> 55:33.520]  does not mean I am operating this thing in commerce.
[55:36.560 --> 55:42.240]  Only the way I read the code, the only way I'm subject to the statutory scheme,
[55:42.240 --> 55:47.120]  is if I'm operating in commerce, not because I have a license,
[55:47.120 --> 55:49.440]  not because I have a license plate on my vehicle.
[55:51.440 --> 55:53.920]  Yes, a vehicle. I can use it for commerce if I want to.
[55:54.880 --> 55:59.120]  I had a policeman stop me in Austin and asked me if I had a driver's license.
[55:59.120 --> 56:01.600]  He said, yes, I do, but I'm not using it right now.
[56:04.560 --> 56:08.800]  He said, are you one of those guys? He said, yes, I am. Get out of here.
[56:08.800 --> 56:12.560]  He didn't want to have to fight, but that's the fight.
[56:13.840 --> 56:18.640]  Not whether or not it's called a vehicle or a huachigigid or a thingamajig.
[56:19.600 --> 56:23.280]  Make some difference. I can't find a difference.
[56:25.280 --> 56:29.280]  So we're spending all this time trying to take this term apart,
[56:29.280 --> 56:32.800]  and since he likes these little pieces, I don't know why.
[56:32.800 --> 56:40.800]  I thought I'd explain why. You still don't understand.
[56:40.800 --> 56:48.400]  You did some suppositions, some unstated presuppositions about,
[56:48.400 --> 56:52.720]  if it's a vehicle, that must mean something, but you never told us what that means.
[56:55.440 --> 56:58.000]  That means the law is applied to it.
[56:58.000 --> 57:02.640]  Okay. That's a presupposition I don't go to.
[57:04.640 --> 57:08.400]  The laws, I assume you're referring to the transportation code.
[57:09.680 --> 57:16.480]  Right. The transportation code is clearly a business code,
[57:19.840 --> 57:20.880]  but I'm not in business
[57:20.880 --> 57:28.400]  because I'm clearly moving around freely, and that can't be licensed.
[57:29.920 --> 57:39.360]  Using the public highways, which belong to me, for personal gain, that can be licensed.
[57:41.040 --> 57:41.360]  Right.
[57:42.480 --> 57:46.640]  And because it's called a vehicle, doesn't mean I'm using it for commercial gain.
[57:46.640 --> 57:53.680]  I knew that's where you were going. I was just trying to get you to take us there,
[57:54.800 --> 58:00.080]  that just because the state decides to call it something,
[58:01.120 --> 58:10.400]  if the state decides to call my property a business, a commercial property,
[58:10.400 --> 58:16.960]  that doesn't make it commercial. My personal dwelling is zoned commercial.
[58:17.680 --> 58:19.360]  That doesn't put me in commerce.
[58:22.160 --> 58:25.360]  I can use that property for commerce if I want to,
[58:26.240 --> 58:30.880]  but just because they zoned it commercial doesn't put me in commerce.
[58:30.880 --> 58:37.280]  Just because I'm licensed to operate my conveyance in commerce doesn't put me in commerce.
[58:37.280 --> 58:44.000]  About to go to break. Randy Kelsen with Law Radio. We'll be right back.
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[01:02:54.080 --> 01:03:22.640]  lowdown for February 6th, 2019 Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton moves low radio and we're talking
[01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:32.720]  to Danny in Tennessee. Danny, I think we've kind of beat this to death. Have you researched into
[01:03:34.080 --> 01:03:40.320]  the application of the transportation code in Tennessee so we know how to fight them?
[01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:51.600]  Oh, we can hear you better if I'm you too. Okay. Sorry about that, Danny. Go ahead.
[01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:57.280]  That's what I've been looking into. Yes. How do you spell that name that you gave your
[01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:06.320]  love, Conley? Conley, C-O-N-N-L-E-Y, I believe. That may not be exactly right. It's something
[01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:18.000]  like that. I need to look in the records I have from Martichet Olivier. It's in his
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:23.920]  folder. I had lost his folder for a while, but I found it. I need to look in there. I've got the case
[01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:36.480]  in there. What the cases you're saying is that the right to travel is a right to travel from
[01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:45.440]  one state to another. That's where the right to travel is involved. Moving freely in the state
[01:04:45.440 --> 01:05:00.880]  is addressed under something else. I've come across the term of local motion,
[01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:08.160]  right of local motion. That's exactly the right term, local motion. That was the one that Martichet
[01:05:08.160 --> 01:05:14.320]  went to, that we have a right to local motion within the state. We have a right to travel
[01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:26.080]  between the states. Travel in this case is a term of art. It doesn't refer to when used in
[01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:33.600]  law relative to the transportation code. It's not used in this general sense, but it's used
[01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:41.840]  as a term of art with a specific definition, and that being the right to move freely from state
[01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:48.560]  to state. The right to local motion is the right to move around within the state.
[01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:59.840]  The courts held that they can require someone to get a license before operating a motorized
[01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:12.480]  conveyance within the state, but for the limited purpose of showing competence and knowledge, not
[01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:24.400]  for the purpose of placing them in commerce. Commerce only goes to activity. We need to put
[01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:32.160]  together a set of documents so we can activate the traffic site for Tennessee.
[01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:38.160]  Do you know any other people researching traffic in Tennessee?
[01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:46.880]  Well, not personally. I've heard you talking with someone about some things before. I can't
[01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:54.800]  remember if it was traffic or not. I've got a guy in North Carolina that calls himself Tree Killer.
[01:06:54.800 --> 01:07:05.280]  He's in Top Street for a living. He's researching. I've got a guy in Texas, Max. Max is having fun
[01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:12.720]  with the jurisdiction. He scraped the registration sticker off his windshield
[01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:24.560]  code because the code authorizes whoever's authorized to enforce the transportation
[01:07:24.560 --> 01:07:33.760]  code to stop someone for a violation of Section C of the transportation code. Registration is Section
[01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:45.760]  B, and while you're required to have registration, it's not a requirement that you display registration.
[01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:57.840]  It used to be that we had to display a safety sticker, and the law read that it was a violation
[01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:03.920]  to fail to display the safety sticker. It doesn't read that way for registration.
[01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:09.120]  You're simply required to have it, but if you don't have it on your windshield,
[01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:15.440]  then that is sufficient to give the officer a reasonable probable cause to believe that you
[01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:22.560]  don't have it. However, even if he has a reasonable probable cause to believe you don't have it,
[01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:27.120]  under the transportation code, he can't pull you over for that purpose.
[01:08:29.120 --> 01:08:34.960]  So he's trying to con him in to pulling him over for that purpose, and then he gets to hammer him.
[01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:39.440]  I really like that idea.
[01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:50.320]  Set him up. You chumps don't know your own law, then beat him up with it a little bit,
[01:08:50.320 --> 01:08:56.320]  but I want to put together a tool for Tennessee, but I haven't had time to research because I've
[01:08:56.320 --> 01:09:01.600]  got 50 states I need to research for this purpose, and I don't have time to get to all of them.
[01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:07.200]  I don't have time to get any of them right now. I've got taxes done. I just need a set for Tennessee.
[01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:17.440]  I've heard about a guy in Chattanooga, or the courts there have been
[01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:24.160]  a ruling in favor of non-commercial transportation,
[01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.960]  but I don't know who's bringing those. I don't know which court it is,
[01:09:33.280 --> 01:09:34.320]  but I'm working now.
[01:09:38.400 --> 01:09:42.480]  So help me out. Thank you. What do we need to file in Tennessee?
[01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:48.960]  Okay, I've got an unlimited motion. I've got a brain motion. I've got a motion for a preliminary
[01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:59.360]  examination, examining trial. I've got a mother Hubbard motion where I claim all my rights.
[01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:07.120]  I've got a motion for a speedy trial. I've got a request for the financials on the judge.
[01:10:07.120 --> 01:10:17.360]  Now, these are general to all states. In Texas, I have a subject matter jurisdiction challenge,
[01:10:17.360 --> 01:10:22.720]  a criminal first degree felony aggravated assault charge against a police officer,
[01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:32.240]  if he's not highway patrol. I've got a couple of this too. There are some that are specific to
[01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:41.600]  Texas, but most are not a special appearance. That's not specific to Texas. I need some
[01:10:44.320 --> 01:10:50.480]  motions that are specific to Tennessee. I'm talking to Martichet. He was saying that code said
[01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:59.120]  that the only time a police officer or a municipal officer could enforce the transportation code was
[01:10:59.120 --> 01:11:07.040]  if he was investigating an accident. I need to refine that and if it reads up the way he says,
[01:11:07.040 --> 01:11:13.840]  then I'll write up some documentation addressing that where I build a questionnaire where I ask
[01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:21.280]  him if the officer was investigating a traffic accident at the time he wrote the citation.
[01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:28.640]  And I say, no, then we throw this in there as a motion to dismiss. What other issues can you find
[01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:45.840]  that makes your day? This is what I need. Arcane optimists are okay, but first we need stuff we
[01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:54.720]  can go right straight for. Okay. And the point of these motions, all they're there for is to
[01:11:54.720 --> 01:12:04.320]  annoy the court and get the court to deny them out of hand. Then we get to hammer them.
[01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:13.440]  The whole issue changes. Now it's not about traffic anymore. It's about due process.
[01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.400]  It's about the judge committing and prosecutors committing crimes against the accused.
[01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:28.880]  We change everything up on them. So what can you find that we can throw at them just to annoy them?
[01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.040]  Well, I'll be looking, but can you send me that case or
[01:12:36.320 --> 01:12:44.080]  proper citation to it? I'm not finding it. I'll have to look. I've got Olivier's folder. I'll
[01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:55.680]  have to look through it. I've had problems with Dropbox. I've got the folders, but when I open
[01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:02.800]  them, they're empty. And that has been a problem. Let's see. I'm going to the folder now to see
[01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:14.480]  if all the stuff is in that what I have here. I'll them in Olivier. He is not in this. Oh,
[01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:20.640]  there he is. Okay. Got it. Okay. I probably have it. I have two Olivier folders here.
[01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:30.080]  But I probably have it in here. I'll just have to seek it out.
[01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:38.000]  Let me take a quick look. habeas, Tennessee petition for habeas corpus.
[01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:43.120]  You know, it's going to be within one of his documents. I don't have the actual case.
[01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:49.760]  So I'll have to go through his documents to see if I can locate his reference to the case.
[01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:57.680]  That'll take me a while. Okay. Appreciate it. Do you have anything
[01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:04.320]  else for us, Danny? Oh, well, you have nothing. Well, I've been looking through the codes.
[01:14:04.320 --> 01:14:15.520]  Bert, this has to do with a definition of two, but state. And the way I go through it,
[01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:22.640]  state includes Washington, D.C. and the territories of the United States.
[01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:35.760]  Okay. How are you using state? Well, I required in this state.
[01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:43.280]  Okay. Okay. When we go to this state, that's different than state.
[01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:52.400]  Art Patton referred me to a guy, a researcher in Massachusetts, and he starts off running
[01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:58.720]  through this bunch of stuff. And first thing he does is ask me what the definition of state is.
[01:15:00.240 --> 01:15:08.960]  And I said a sovereign political entity. No, it ain't. You have this other definition. So
[01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.880]  while he's rattling off this other definition, I looked it up. It's a sovereign political entity.
[01:15:16.480 --> 01:15:23.040]  We think of states as these individual subdivisions of a country because that's
[01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:29.600]  the way it appears in the United States, and that is not the case. Each one of these states
[01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:36.160]  is a sovereign political entity. Like the United States as a whole is a state.
[01:15:36.160 --> 01:15:45.440]  England is a state. Russia is a state. Texas, Tennessee,
[01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:54.240]  they're states. The United States is like Soviet Union. Soviet Union was a union
[01:15:54.240 --> 01:16:03.040]  of a number of individual sovereign states. The United States is a union of 50 sovereign
[01:16:03.040 --> 01:16:14.960]  countries. So when you say state, that's what I'm getting at. What do you really mean by state?
[01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:25.840]  You mean this state? I'm not talking about Tennessee, but this state refers strictly to
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[01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:23.440]  Oh, come on.
[01:19:23.440 --> 01:19:25.600]  Oh.
[01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:48.600]  If I can't get everything I want, yeah, we get arranged, yeah, if I can't get everything
[01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:49.600]  I need
[01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:59.600]  Oh, where am I? Okay, got it. I'm having a little trouble trying to do too many things at once here.
[01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:07.600]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton with our radio. I pulled up the document that probably has what Danny's looking for in it.
[01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:11.600]  I just wasn't able to find it quite yet.
[01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:26.600]  Okay, I will put this up. I have the document here. It's probably in this particular habeas corpus. I just haven't found it yet.
[01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:31.600]  So I'll get that to you Danny. Do you have anything else for us?
[01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:39.600]  Well, one more thing just to mention. I do some research on one of these days, but later somebody else around will look at it some too.
[01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:54.600]  The codes, place or two, come across something of a note indicating that in 1955 they reenacted all the codes, save just one or two that they kind of kept out.
[01:20:54.600 --> 01:21:10.600]  I got to looking further about that and found that 1953 had some amendments to the Constitution for the first time. It's about 1870 or so when the current one was first adopted.
[01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:28.600]  And then trying to do a little more research with the legislative library and found on their website it says they have no legislative records from before 1955.
[01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:41.600]  So I sent a message a time or two about what became of the records from before and never got to enter back.
[01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:46.600]  That's interesting.
[01:21:46.600 --> 01:22:00.600]  Yeah, I thought it was a little, it makes me suspicious like, sort of like, and why you're hiding something so you can't go and look to see what it was before to see how they changed things.
[01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:08.600]  Okay, I was trying to find your case while you were saying that. Who is this that doesn't have records?
[01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:17.600]  The legislative library, Tennessee Legislative Library does have records of legislation from before 1955.
[01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:25.600]  Doesn't Tennessee have a national, a state register?
[01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.600]  I suppose. You said register?
[01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:36.600]  Yeah, register like a national register where they keep the public laws.
[01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:45.600]  There's generally a register when they pass a law that goes in the register, you know, just put whatever order they happen to pass it in.
[01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:55.600]  And then they hire a publisher to take that register and take all the laws and codify them into a printed code.
[01:22:55.600 --> 01:23:10.600]  That has to be somewhere. And maybe just because this library doesn't have it, I'm going to bet you that Vanderbilt does.
[01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:14.600]  Yeah, if I could say.
[01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:22.600]  And if there's any other law schools in Tennessee, they will have it.
[01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:31.600]  And it's odd that the state itself doesn't keep its own records.
[01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:36.600]  Well, they may be somewhere. They're just not in a legislative library.
[01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:42.600]  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is a particular place. Somebody else has got it.
[01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:51.600]  Who else retains Tennessee records besides the legislative library?
[01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:59.600]  Well, I don't know about the legislative records.
[01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:08.600]  Somebody's got it. You might ask them, contact them and ask them who does have it. If they don't.
[01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:10.600]  Contact them who?
[01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.600]  The library.
[01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.600]  I did, twice.
[01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:21.600]  Do you ask them who has it? If you don't have it, who does?
[01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:26.600]  Well, I don't remember exactly how I put it, but to that effect.
[01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:31.600]  So they're saying nobody has it.
[01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:42.600]  Okay, it's not really terribly relevant anyway because the law completely changes every 20 years.
[01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:48.600]  Everything is essentially readdressed every 20 years.
[01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:53.600]  Surely they have, something's wrong here.
[01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:59.600]  They've got to have a legislative history. You can't understand what a law really means.
[01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:03.600]  You're going to have a legislative history.
[01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.600]  Right.
[01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:11.600]  Okay, well, I don't want to address that, but we're running out of time and I've got two more callers.
[01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.600]  Okay, yeah, I was about to ask you about that. Okay, later.
[01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:21.600]  Okay, thank you, Danny. Okay, now we're going to go to Leslie in Pennsylvania.
[01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:26.600]  If I get this done right. There you go. Okay. Hello, Leslie.
[01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:27.600]  Hi.
[01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:29.600]  What do you have for us today?
[01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:33.600]  Well, you know, I've been in this lawsuit here in Arizona.
[01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:38.600]  Hold on, hold on, hold on. Barely can understand you.
[01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:43.600]  Try moving the mic a little away from your mouth or down by your chin.
[01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.600]  Is this a little better?
[01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:52.600]  No, it sounds muffled. Are you using a headset or?
[01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.600]  I'm using my cell phone.
[01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:03.600]  Hmm, okay, it may just be the connection. Okay, go ahead. I'll try to understand.
[01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:22.600]  I've been having trouble getting evidence in this lawsuit and finally I sent a subpoena way out in Washington state and I got the records back to find out that the other attorney is trying to bamboozle us with lies and innuendos and none of it's true.
[01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:28.600]  And so I put in a motion for redetermination for this.
[01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:34.600]  Hold on, hold on. Bring us up to speed on what this case is about.
[01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:45.600]  It's really interesting. It's a quiet, it was a quiet title and then for damages for fraudulent filings of documents sent into the county record against the property.
[01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:58.600]  And the property was supposed to go to foreclosure and we bought it just before it did to find out that the statute of limitations had expired on the enforcement of the dean of trust.
[01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:03.600]  But I got a TRO and then in December the judge...
[01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:08.600]  Hold on, hold on. You used an acronym.
[01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:22.600]  A temporary restraining order. The judge released it in December and nobody ever put an order in until the middle of January.
[01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:35.600]  Actually, he didn't even put a written order in until the end, the middle of February because they only sent a form of order in to have the judge fill it out.
[01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:45.600]  So you got a temporary restraining order and they never put an order in. You missed something in between there.
[01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:50.600]  Okay, they sold my house the day after, the week after the hearing.
[01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.600]  Okay, the hearing for the temporary restraining order?
[01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:57.600]  Yes.
[01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:02.600]  Okay, so had the judge signed the order?
[01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.600]  No.
[01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:05.600]  Okay, so...
[01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.600]  There was no order until the 15th or 14th of February.
[01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:15.600]  Okay, and they acted to sell the property based on what?
[01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:23.600]  What did the judge tell the court that he was going to list the order?
[01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:32.600]  Okay, I'm having trouble and I know what the facts are. The court ruled that they could foreclose.
[01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:33.600]  Yes.
[01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:37.600]  They sold the property, but they never signed the order saying they could do it.
[01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:39.600]  Exactly.
[01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:52.600]  Okay, and so you have an order signed for a restraining order. You have a verbal order in the court, but unlike Texas, a verbal order in the court is an order.
[01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:57.600]  In Arizona, the order must be signed in order to be an order. Is that correct?
[01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.600]  Not just signed, but entered by the clerk into the court record.
[01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:13.600]  So the judge said it in court and the lawyer took that and ran with it when his position was not perfected.
[01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:17.600]  So now you went after it for that, haven't you?
[01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:22.600]  Oh, you better believe it. I went after it for sanctions and then I put in...
[01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:31.600]  I got the information that he had lied in court and involved face rights. I knew it.
[01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:38.600]  I put in a motion for sanctions and then I put in a motion for reconsideration.
[01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:52.600]  Well, today I found out, and he filed also in January before the order was signed, he put in a motion to dismiss the remaining claim.
[01:29:52.600 --> 01:30:02.600]  Well, today I got notice that the judge took my motion for...
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[01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:35.600]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton of Rule of Law Radio and we're talking to Leslie in Arizona.
[01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:47.600]  Okay, Leslie, the lawyer lied and you went for sanctions and you just got something today. What was it?
[01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:58.600]  It was an order from the court that actually dismissed the remaining claims, like the other side wanted, but it was with a caveat.
[01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:11.600]  It said tending, you know, but it may be reconsidered after I look after the motion and he put in what do you call it?
[01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:17.600]  The vocal hearings, verbal argument for the new trial.
[01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:23.600]  He took my motion for reconsideration and turned it to a motion for a new trial.
[01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:28.600]  That's what a motion for reconsideration is. It's the same thing.
[01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:37.600]  No, even in Texas, you can call it motion for reconsideration or motion for new trial, same thing.
[01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:49.600]  Yeah, well, anyway, he defined it separately, you know, under a different code, but he said it's going to be treated as a motion for a new trial for new evidence.
[01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:55.600]  So that makes me smile. It was good for me.
[01:34:55.600 --> 01:35:02.600]  That's it. So he didn't just blow you out of the water.
[01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.600]  Yeah, and they said it's very rare to get that.
[01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:16.600]  Yeah, I think he may be looking at the quality of your documentation and this judge may not want to be overturned by the appellate court.
[01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:23.600]  And with the documentation I have, he would be. Most certainly he would be.
[01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:34.600]  I think he's already figured that out. He's probably checked your history and said, this woman's going to make me nuts.
[01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:38.600]  Yeah, the lawyer's going crazy. Are you kidding?
[01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:44.600]  My own lawyer is going crazy. He says, I can't believe we're doing this, but they're fine.
[01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:48.600]  So I take it your lawyer's happy.
[01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:59.600]  Oh, my lawyer's so happy he doesn't have to argue all the other. I get a lot of different types of pleadings and he just missed them all.
[01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:05.600]  He just said, no, no, we're just going to do a new trial and we'll start all over. We're going to have a hearing for new trials.
[01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.600]  It really comes with that.
[01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:19.600]  So it sounds like the court looked at your claims and issues and he feels like you have a sufficient standing to support your claims.
[01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:23.600]  Otherwise you wouldn't have granted a new trial.
[01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:28.600]  Yeah. Well, he hasn't granted it yet, but he's granted a hearing on a new trial, which is important.
[01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:40.600]  Yes. So have you attempted to mediate with the lawyer that you're hammering?
[01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:50.600]  Well, I would like to. I had hoped that he would, that my lawyer would want to. He said, oh, no, he'll never come to this table.
[01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:57.600]  Just like he said, this judge would never give me every trial, every consideration, yes.
[01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:04.600]  And he did. Or it looks like he's certainly looks like he's going to.
[01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:10.600]  Yeah. Did you ask this judge to order mediation?
[01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:15.600]  No, I haven't. I haven't. Yeah.
[01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:23.600]  We did that and the judge and the court of appeals granted it immediately.
[01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:33.600]  So if it looks like you've got the other side on the ropes, it might be a good time to see if they'll come to the table and give you a deal.
[01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:35.600]  You can't pass up.
[01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:38.600]  Yeah, that would be good.
[01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:45.600]  So you might consider asking, you know, filing a motion for mediation.
[01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:51.600]  The judge is considering redoing this whole trial. He's not going to want that to happen.
[01:37:51.600 --> 01:38:01.600]  And if he orders the other side to mediation, then he can come to the table and not lose face.
[01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:11.600]  Yeah. The other thing, the other thing is that the damages that we're looking for is well over and we know because it's trouble damages.
[01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:23.600]  And I've got three different documents that were fraudulently put in and they were refused to be removed.
[01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:28.600]  Have you made any claims against the lawyer himself?
[01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:31.600]  Not yet. I'm waiting.
[01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:47.600]  What that might do is bring in his errors in emissions carrier. And the errors in emissions carrier can deal out with you without the permission of the lawyer.
[01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:48.600]  Right.
[01:38:48.600 --> 01:38:55.600]  And that gives the lawyer plausible deniability. Well, I didn't do this. It was a no good rotten insurance carrier.
[01:38:55.600 --> 01:39:01.600]  But it gets everybody out of the situation and gets you some money.
[01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:10.600]  Right. I was wondering how do you add him to the case? Because he is the trustee of the deed of trust and he did put in the documents that are fraudulent.
[01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:12.600]  Yeah, that's malpractice.
[01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.600]  On the complaint?
[01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:19.600]  Yeah, filing a amended complaint named the lawyer.
[01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:24.600]  Oh, good. Because that would be good.
[01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:33.600]  And this reinvigorates. This gets over motion for new trial. You filed an amended pleading naming the lawyer for his bad behavior.
[01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:37.600]  This occurred after your original pleading.
[01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:46.600]  And if you haven't filed a amended plea, then doors open for you to do that.
[01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:49.600]  Yeah, now I've never amended my pleading.
[01:39:49.600 --> 01:40:00.600]  If you file the amended pleading, increase your claims and make claims against the lawyer and ask the judge to order mediation.
[01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:04.600]  That brings everybody to the table.
[01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:06.600]  Yeah.
[01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:17.600]  And it gives you the opportunity for your lawyer to sit down with the other lawyer and say, look, my client is fixing to wipe the floor with you.
[01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:21.600]  Let's see if we can't bail you out of this.
[01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:29.600]  And he can tell her we sued you so that we could get your insurance carrier to bail you out of this problem.
[01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:36.600]  And then she stops coming after you for sanctions and bar grieving and all these other rotten things she was doing.
[01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:41.600]  I don't read bar grieving for someone in my house.
[01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.600]  You knew I'd do that, right?
[01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:50.600]  Yeah, so now the insurance carrier has noticed that he has an issue here, so they're bound.
[01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:54.600]  They just might come in and write you a check.
[01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:58.600]  Yeah, that would be neat if they did that.
[01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:01.600]  That would be great.
[01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.600]  Yeah, you know, 90% of the cases get settled out of court.
[01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:10.600]  It's us pro-says that keep fighting to the bitter end.
[01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:24.600]  And I'm beginning to think we'll be a lot better off if we could push the other side into a position to where they can negotiate without losing face.
[01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:31.600]  You would think that face is not that important in business and money, but it is.
[01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:33.600]  Okay.
[01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:45.600]  At least you might consider it. You know, it's my position, never back a bulldog in a corner unless he's got a way out.
[01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:46.600]  Right.
[01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:55.600]  To give him a way out, he may take it and run, not want to be beat up by you anymore or embarrassed by you.
[01:41:55.600 --> 01:42:02.600]  Embarrassed is more like it. You've made fun of me before.
[01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:06.600]  I guess he thought that the pro-says could walk all over.
[01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:11.600]  Yeah, I bet he's not making fun of you now. It's kind of like the pictures.
[01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:12.600]  Yeah.
[01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:17.600]  They got a whole new level of respect.
[01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:19.600]  Yes.
[01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:21.600]  Yeah.
[01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:26.600]  Yeah, they did. There's a big couple there.
[01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:35.600]  But anyway, I just thought I'd tell you if you posted on what's going on here, and I had some bad news too today.
[01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:46.600]  My friend, Adrian, he got a motion for summary judgment against him, and I don't see how they did that because he didn't even sign the note.
[01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:56.600]  He's never, you know, when you have a complaint, you know, he denied everything, and he explained why he didn't just deny it.
[01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:05.600]  I never signed it. I was never in Maryland to sign a mortgage. It's a forgery. He's been arguing that from day one.
[01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:10.600]  Has he filed a counterclaim against him for those?
[01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:13.600]  He's the one that filed the Dragon Eddie.
[01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:16.600]  Oh.
[01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:17.600]  He's the one that filed the Dragon Eddie.
[01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.600]  They did summary judgment?
[01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:32.600]  On his foreclosure, dude, they filed for foreclosure for him before he filed the Dragon Eddie, and they found foreclosure for him.
[01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:41.600]  Yeah, I don't know how they got a summary judgment. I really don't. I thought they had to have nothing in dispute, but there's plenty in dispute there.
[01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:48.600]  Okay, the trial courts bought and paid for, but the appeals court not necessarily so.
[01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:53.600]  Hang on. About to go to break. Randy Kelton, the rules law radio.
[01:43:53.600 --> 01:44:00.600]  I'm not going to give us a call-in number. We only got one more segment. We'll be right back.
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[01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:29.600]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Leslie in...
[01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:33.600]  I always keep wanting to say Pennsylvania in Arizona.
[01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:42.600]  Will you explain to everybody what a Dragonetti action is?
[01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:46.600]  Oh, they can hear you better if I unmute you.
[01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:49.600]  I'll try that. Okay, go ahead, Leslie.
[01:46:49.600 --> 01:47:00.600]  A Dragonetti action is similar to an action for a wrongful civil action where you have been in a lawsuit that they dismissed,
[01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:07.600]  and they went into the lawsuit for the purposes other than what it would be filed for, for instance.
[01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:15.600]  In his case, he had an action going on for quiet title and fraud in the federal court.
[01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:23.600]  And the reason that they filed a quiet title in the state court, the banks did, filed a quiet title,
[01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:30.600]  in the state court was to confuse the issues and confuse the attorney because he's a small office.
[01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:40.600]  And they...as soon as they got the issue in the federal court dismissed,
[01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:45.600]  they dropped the quiet title action instead of pursuing it.
[01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:55.600]  So that gave Adrian a win in a way because they consider that they didn't file it for the purposes of filing it
[01:47:55.600 --> 01:48:03.600]  because they did what it accomplished. It got the other action dropped.
[01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:11.600]  And it was for lack of...they had numerous motions for summary judgment in the federal case,
[01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:15.600]  and they did that to confuse the issue also.
[01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:24.600]  And it worked because they missed one of the things to file an answer to and the court dismissed the case.
[01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:35.600]  And then after that, they filed for closure, but he filed for a dragon Eddie because it's trouble damages for that.
[01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:41.600]  And on top of that, he can bring all of the other stuff into that with the fraud and everything.
[01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:45.600]  So that's what he did. So he still has that ongoing.
[01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:53.600]  But they got a ruling to take his house, which I don't understand how they can do that.
[01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:57.600]  Well, you know, I've helped over 700 people file federal lawsuits,
[01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:04.600]  and I don't think I ever had the court ruling my favor on anything ever.
[01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:06.600]  Yeah, I know.
[01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:12.600]  They bought and paid for. It's the appeals court where you got a chance.
[01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:19.600]  I haven't had much luck there either, but the vast majority of the people that I tried to help never got to the appeals court.
[01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:27.600]  People run out of steam and that's what they count on and just disappear.
[01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:34.600]  It's frustrating, but most people just don't have it in them to stay the fight.
[01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:36.600]  And these banks know that.
[01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:47.600]  So that's why I'm trying to develop a set of tools where people don't have to go to all of this difficulty to generate documents
[01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:51.600]  to beat the other side up with.
[01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.600]  They just go in and answer the questions on a questionnaire and boom, it spits everything out.
[01:49:55.600 --> 01:50:00.600]  And they go file it and drive the other side crazy.
[01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:04.600]  So we're trying to develop this remedy.
[01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:12.600]  And I have a meeting with some lawyers in Kansas City Wednesday of this coming week.
[01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:17.600]  So we may get a law firm to come on board.
[01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:28.600]  And what I want to do is I want to use this law firm to talk to a much larger law firm.
[01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:40.600]  And if I can demonstrate the value of the tool to this larger law firm, then we go into that law firm and I take their seasons professionals.
[01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:53.600]  Because what these law firms do, the big ones especially, they will hire the top 10% in a graduating class always gets hired by a larger law firm.
[01:50:53.600 --> 01:51:02.600]  And the average pay now starting pay for one of these large law firms is $260 an hour.
[01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:06.600]  So these guys are costing them a lot of money.
[01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:10.600]  But when they get out of law school, they don't know squat.
[01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:21.600]  They wind up doing filing for the most part for the first six months while they're trying to teach these guys how it really works out here in the real world.
[01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:31.600]  So we go to them and say we take your most seasoned professional, the guy you're paying $700 to $1,000 an hour.
[01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:38.600]  And we capture his entire expertise because he's generally getting older and going to retire and you'll lose all his knowledge.
[01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:44.600]  So we capture all his knowledge and codify it into a questionnaire.
[01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:55.600]  And then we take your other professionals who may not be as seasoned as this guy and have them look at the questionnaire and see if there's anything that they would put in it that he didn't.
[01:51:55.600 --> 01:52:03.600]  So the law firm gets to capture the knowledge base of their employees and make that available to these new hires.
[01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:12.600]  So instead of having them do filing, they can have them handling clients much more quickly and save a lot of money.
[01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:22.600]  And it will stabilize their law practice because everybody's working from the same playbook.
[01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:37.600]  And if we take the documents that they generate and put them in the system so the system generates their output documents, then we get all the output documents with no clerical errors.
[01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:51.600]  So if I can get a law firm like Jones Day, they got 8 or 10,000 lawyers with the questionnaire alone.
[01:52:51.600 --> 01:53:06.600]  If we save each of these lawyers one hour on a client, this is an incredible amount of money it's saved and get us launched.
[01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:14.600]  We do this for one big law firm, every law firm in the country wants to do it.
[01:53:14.600 --> 01:53:29.600]  So this is actually how I started to try to market this product in the first place and then was led to look into ICOs and STOs and these other issues.
[01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:37.600]  But it wasn't a loss really because all this time I've been doing this, I've been increasing my sophistication.
[01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:41.600]  I'm much more ready to approach a law firm now.
[01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:55.600]  So I'm encouraged that we may be well on the way to getting this thing fully funded, getting this project launched and get these remedies out there.
[01:53:55.600 --> 01:54:04.600]  I have a website with all of my foreclosure research in it.
[01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:12.600]  We can build a really powerful tool for foreclosure defense.
[01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:15.600]  Leslie's been doing it and I've been doing it.
[01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:21.600]  We got all kind of stuff we can beat them up with.
[01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:26.600]  I got so many things to go after them for.
[01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:31.600]  We put together some discovery.
[01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:36.600]  We request all of the notary's certification.
[01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:44.600]  We request evidence of the verification for all of the documents they verify.
[01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:52.600]  Some states don't require that a notary keep a ledger.
[01:54:52.600 --> 01:55:00.600]  So how do you tell if the notary actually did the verification or not?
[01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:04.600]  Well, you ask them for their tax return.
[01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:20.600]  You ask them to show where they paid taxes on the funds they received for doing this verification.
[01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:26.600]  They may not have to keep the ledger, but they do have to keep tax information.
[01:55:26.600 --> 01:55:35.600]  We got lots of these dirty rotten little tricks for anyone who has signed a document for MERS.
[01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:39.600]  We want to see evidence of power of attorney.
[01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:43.600]  No, I'm happy.
[01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:46.600]  That's a good one.
[01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:51.600]  In Texas, they change the law.
[01:55:51.600 --> 01:56:00.600]  It used to be that we had a statute on power of attorney, but it only went to probate.
[01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:07.600]  About six years ago, they took it out of probate and put it in the general rules.
[01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:14.600]  Now, in order to file a document into the public record for a third party,
[01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:19.600]  you have to have evidence filed in the public record for power of attorney.
[01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:22.600]  Nobody ever addresses that.
[01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:28.600]  I don't think most of the lawyers even know that change was made.
[01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:36.600]  So we've got all this stuff we can beat them up with and we can build these massive questionnaires
[01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:44.600]  and save these law firms a fortune, decrease the cost of litigation,
[01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:48.600]  and increase access to everybody.
[01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:50.600]  I'm getting excited.
[01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:53.600]  I've spent a long time on a tremendous amount of work.
[01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:59.600]  I've been trudging through these complaints and actually I've got Miss Leslie helping
[01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:07.600]  with building some of the internal parts to these things, working together.
[01:57:07.600 --> 01:57:14.600]  Before too long, we could actually have this thing come online.
[01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:18.600]  When I first started trying to put something together,
[01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:26.600]  I never imagined that we could come up with something that would change everything.
[01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:31.600]  But I think we're close.
[01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:36.600]  We can change the way law is done.
[01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:40.600]  We can make law equal.
[01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:48.600]  The pro-sac can come in with the same law as the highest paid lawyer.
[01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:51.600]  This will make them crazy.
[01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:55.600]  And I'm glad to have Leslie on board.
[01:57:55.600 --> 01:57:57.600]  We are about to run out of time.
[01:57:57.600 --> 01:57:59.600]  We've got one more minute.
[01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:06.600]  You want to just give us a kind of a close-up here, Leslie, of what you're doing?
[01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:09.600]  You've got about 45 seconds.
[01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:11.600]  What we're doing?
[01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:20.600]  Well, as far as this, I just try and help people where I can see it and find out what their problems are.
[01:58:20.600 --> 01:58:25.600]  Because a lot of people, their problem is explaining it more than anything.
[01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:30.600]  That kind of a problem with people is harder with a judge.
[01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:31.600]  Good.
[01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:35.600]  If you have a foreclosure issue, let me know.
[01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:37.600]  I'll get you to Leslie so she can help you with it.
[01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:39.600]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:40.600]  We're out of time.
[01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:41.600]  We'll be back next week.
[01:58:41.600 --> 01:59:07.600]  Thank you all, and good night.
[01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:18.600]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:59:41.600 --> 01:59:56.600]  We'll be back next week.