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[00:00.000 --> 00:07.800] The following news flashes brought to you by The Lone Star Lowdowns.
[00:07.800 --> 00:14.040] Markets for Wednesday, December 5, 2018, open with precious metals, gold at $1,236.46 an
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[00:21.720 --> 00:33.320] rent crude $62.08 a barrel, cryptos, Bitcoin $3,874.84, Ripple XRP $0.34, Ethereum $107.35
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[00:41.720 --> 00:48.240] Today in history, the year 1945, Flight 19, a group of five Grumman TBN Avenger torpedo
[00:48.240 --> 00:53.680] bombers mysteriously disappear along with a Martin PBM Marine or Flyer boat sent to search
[00:53.680 --> 00:55.720] for them in the Bermuda Triangle.
[00:55.720 --> 01:04.080] Flight 19, one of the most infamous aviation mysteries to date in history.
[01:04.080 --> 01:08.680] In recent news, electric companies led by Exalong and Calpine went to the Texas Public Utility
[01:08.680 --> 01:13.600] Commission in order to alter how the Electric Reliability Council of Texas calculates prices
[01:13.600 --> 01:18.600] for the wholesale market, and Texas, the PUC, oversees the market but cannot order a generator
[01:18.600 --> 01:23.480] to build a plant, something that generators are threatening on not doing if their $4 billion
[01:23.480 --> 01:25.760] energy cost increase isn't met.
[01:25.760 --> 01:30.080] With Exalong, Calpine and the first solar representatives insisting to the commissioners
[01:30.080 --> 01:34.720] that they should move quickly due to the current prices not being high enough to encourage companies
[01:34.720 --> 01:36.000] to build more plants.
[01:36.000 --> 01:40.480] However, the Texas Public Policy Foundation stated some basic economic points by noting
[01:40.480 --> 01:45.360] that, quote, the low electricity prices that Texas is still experiencing are the best evidence
[01:45.360 --> 01:48.240] that Texas has an adequate supply of electricity.
[01:48.240 --> 01:51.840] Texas can ensure a sufficient generation of electricity for years to come and improve
[01:51.840 --> 01:56.960] reliability by letting competitors compete at reducing state intervention in the market.
[01:56.960 --> 02:00.880] The main problem in all of this is too much centralized political power in the hands of
[02:00.880 --> 02:02.560] less than a handful.
[02:02.560 --> 02:07.200] Only three commissioners managed the PUC appointed by Greg Abbott, and they were given the power
[02:07.200 --> 02:11.680] of price setting essentially by the Texas legislator without having the need to publish
[02:11.680 --> 02:14.880] a formal proposal or hold public hearings.
[02:14.880 --> 02:22.640] Texas ranks third in the country for the most aggressive holiday drivers behind Georgia
[02:22.640 --> 02:26.640] in first place and California in second, adding to this a new study that found that
[02:26.640 --> 02:31.280] drivers are 175% more aggressive during the holidays as compared to the rest of the year,
[02:31.280 --> 02:34.600] and we can only expect to have a lot of traffic incidents this year.
[02:34.600 --> 02:36.360] So buckle up and chill out.
[02:36.360 --> 02:38.720] No need to rush and slam on your brakes.
[02:38.720 --> 02:40.560] Stay safe and enjoy the holidays.
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[02:50.360 --> 03:17.360] This is your Lowdown for December 5th, 2018.
[03:17.360 --> 03:28.360] Thank you.
[03:28.360 --> 03:32.360] What you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
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[03:46.360 --> 03:48.360] If you get hot in your monster troop?
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[03:54.360 --> 03:57.360] Bad boys, bad boys. What you gonna do?
[03:57.360 --> 04:18.000] Okay, howdy howdy, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio on this Thursday, the 13th
[04:18.000 --> 04:30.640] day of December 2018. And things are going real well on the legal project front. It looks like we
[04:30.640 --> 04:37.480] may be fully funded, although you're never fully funded until you've got the money in hand. But it
[04:37.480 --> 04:44.000] looks good. We've got responses. Sometimes in the middle of next year, we should have this thing
[04:44.000 --> 04:53.520] up and cooking. We do have phone lines on our call in number 512-646-1984. If you have a question
[04:53.520 --> 04:59.720] or a comment, give us a call. We'll be taking your calls all night. And we still have our fundraiser
[04:59.720 --> 05:06.480] going on. We're running out of year before we ran out of room on our chart of the money we were
[05:06.480 --> 05:14.000] trying to collect. So we sure could use some a little Christmas cheer here to help us and get
[05:14.000 --> 05:22.200] this budget over the top for this one more year. So go to Logos Radio Network and check out our
[05:22.200 --> 05:32.160] Gun Giveaway and our Eddie's Traffic Seminar and my ebook and Dr. Gray's Jurisdictionary and
[05:32.160 --> 05:40.240] help us keep this show on the air. Okay, we've got callers coming in already. We're going to go
[05:40.240 --> 05:53.040] to Ralph in Texas. Hello, Ralph. Hello, Randy. I talked to you last week and this is kind of a
[05:53.040 --> 05:59.480] follow-up on what I talked to you about. You got me kind of quick. You almost caught me off guard.
[05:59.480 --> 06:07.560] What's happening is there was a 12-6 motion to dismiss. The judge grand didn't part and
[06:07.560 --> 06:17.320] denied it in part. And in it, he said that certain cases applied and that for the remaining claims
[06:17.320 --> 06:26.480] and that all the defendant needed to do was bring those claims up. But he had also to mention the
[06:26.480 --> 06:32.960] words, qualified immunity. Okay, who is the defendant? Are you the plaintiff or defendant?
[06:32.960 --> 06:41.120] Plaintiff. Okay, and they filed a motion to dismiss and it was granted in part and denied in part?
[06:41.120 --> 06:50.000] Correct. That's a big deal. Okay, and it's that. Generally, when you sue public officials,
[06:50.000 --> 06:56.920] it's denied out of hand. They all stick together. So if you got denied in part,
[06:56.920 --> 07:05.400] that's a really good thing. Did the court provide findings of fact and conclusions at law?
[07:05.400 --> 07:14.960] As best as I understand it. Did he say, these are the facts. This is the law. This is how I should
[07:14.960 --> 07:22.240] rule. You'd have to read it. I haven't had its experience with it, but it looks like that's
[07:22.240 --> 07:28.760] what you would consider it because he goes into a lot of detail. I wouldn't say goes into as much
[07:28.760 --> 07:34.080] detail about the facts as he does about the law. Well, he probably doesn't have to go into detail
[07:34.080 --> 07:42.280] too much about the facts. The only facts he's going to care about are those facts that go to
[07:42.280 --> 07:51.120] the specific elements that he is referencing in his argument. But you do have that's findings,
[07:51.120 --> 07:56.960] facts and conclusions at law. That's what we want to see. So what do you tell them? He told
[07:56.960 --> 08:08.240] them that there were three cases that allowed, that justified, that made it legal for him
[08:08.240 --> 08:18.080] to seize my car and search it. And so he said this and, you know, it was not a part of the
[08:18.080 --> 08:25.960] order that I can understand because the order said it is hereby ordered that such and such
[08:25.960 --> 08:32.000] claims are dismissed against such and such defendants. He didn't say it like that. He just said
[08:32.000 --> 08:39.800] that these cases do allow for the seizure and the search of the car, but the defendant did
[08:39.800 --> 08:47.000] not specifically mention that he was seeking qualified immunity under these cases. So the
[08:47.000 --> 08:56.680] defendant need only to make a summary judgment motion mentioning these cases and including
[08:56.680 --> 09:03.640] qualified immunity to have their remaining claims dismissed. Now I'm paraphrasing, but that's
[09:03.640 --> 09:12.040] pretty close to what he said. Okay, got that. So you need to look at why they have to do that
[09:12.040 --> 09:20.720] and how those cases are qualified. You need to read those cases. Well, I'm up there. I'm well
[09:20.720 --> 09:28.160] past that. So what happened was the defendant did that and he used those three cases. And so I
[09:28.160 --> 09:35.920] looked those three cases up and I'm going, hmm, those two three cases don't apply at all. Not
[09:35.920 --> 09:47.760] even close. So I talked to Eddie on about this months ago and we seem to agree. He didn't really
[09:47.760 --> 09:52.880] have a chance to study those cases, but he was saying they didn't apply for a different reason
[09:52.880 --> 09:56.720] because he didn't have a chance to study them. I went and looked at him and I found an even better
[09:56.720 --> 10:04.720] reason that they didn't apply. And it's real simple. This VPS officer pulls you over. You don't
[10:04.720 --> 10:11.120] have a choice where you park. Now, you know, if you're not sure, you can put on the emergency
[10:11.120 --> 10:16.240] flashers. You can drive the police station, etc. For the most part, when people get pulled over by
[10:16.240 --> 10:21.120] any type of law enforcement with their emergency flash and lights, they just pull over. They don't
[10:21.120 --> 10:26.480] stop in the middle of the road and they don't start going home. They just pull over. And so
[10:27.520 --> 10:35.520] I can't think of the rule number, but transportation code 4, 545, something, there's that unless the
[10:35.520 --> 10:45.680] arrest is mandatory, the person is allowed to have their car removed. So he didn't allow me that.
[10:46.320 --> 10:51.760] And the three cases that they're using have nothing at all to do with that. Absolutely
[10:51.760 --> 10:56.720] nothing, nothing, nothing. One of them was a guy had parked in no parking zone and he got
[10:56.720 --> 11:01.600] some tickets placed on his windshield. And after so many hours, I think 12 hours of being parked
[11:01.600 --> 11:07.840] in a no parking zone was told for public care taking. Well, they're trying to tell me that
[11:07.840 --> 11:12.640] public care taking allowed the officers to remove my car from the side of the road,
[11:13.680 --> 11:19.760] where the officer told me to park it and he didn't allow me a chance to move it,
[11:19.760 --> 11:25.520] even though I was arrested for charge that's not a mandatory arrest.
[11:25.520 --> 11:34.720] I don't know if you're familiar with that. Yes, I'm familiar with the mandatory and non-mandatory
[11:34.720 --> 11:42.080] arrest. Why did he arrest you anyway? Yeah, this is where it gets really hairy here. I don't know
[11:42.080 --> 11:45.600] if you got it. I'll bet you guys are familiar with it, but I hadn't heard you talk much about it
[11:45.600 --> 11:50.800] probably because it hadn't happened very much. I was arrested for failure to identify.
[11:50.800 --> 11:56.000] Oh, we get that a lot. Well, no, that's not it though. I was
[11:56.000 --> 12:00.800] arrested for failure to identify and the charges were eventually dropped. However,
[12:00.800 --> 12:09.760] when I went to sue these guys, what they said was, okay, yes, you're right. We couldn't do that.
[12:09.760 --> 12:16.880] That was not an arrestable offense and we were wrong. However, we're not liable and we have
[12:16.880 --> 12:24.960] immunity because we could have arrested you for not wearing your seat belt properly and or not
[12:24.960 --> 12:32.080] producing the license on demand. Is there right about license on demand?
[12:34.640 --> 12:41.520] Sir? There right about license on demand. Did you have a valid driver's license?
[12:41.520 --> 12:49.120] No, sir. Did you have a license at all? No, didn't have one.
[12:50.240 --> 12:57.040] That statute doesn't apply. That statute would only apply if you had applied for a driver's license,
[12:58.480 --> 13:04.400] signed the contract and agreed to the statutory scheme and part of the statutory scheme is
[13:04.400 --> 13:12.720] that you will produce that commercial license on demand. But since you didn't have one,
[13:14.240 --> 13:17.280] you had not entered into that contract with the state.
[13:19.040 --> 13:26.080] And since I am still learning this and I probably didn't do the proper wording,
[13:26.640 --> 13:32.160] I'm going to have to bring that up on appeal. It's too late to bring it up now. All my amendments
[13:32.160 --> 13:38.400] are out the window. I can't amend any more. But the appeals court should allow me to amend,
[13:38.400 --> 13:43.040] especially with everything that I've got. So, show them I should be able to amend. However,
[13:44.880 --> 13:52.160] let's see. I've got some of that same thing from Eddie. He's got a case that says not a
[13:53.600 --> 13:58.400] controlling law case, but it's the case where that how can they say I didn't produce a license on
[13:58.400 --> 14:05.920] demand without proving that I have a license to produce? Yes, you can't be charged for not doing
[14:05.920 --> 14:14.080] something that's impossible to do. Ah, that's good words to know. Okay. Well, going back.
[14:15.760 --> 14:22.400] Okay, hold on. But more important on this particular issue, the only reason you must
[14:22.400 --> 14:31.200] produce that license on demand is because you signed an agreement to do so. You didn't sign
[14:31.200 --> 14:38.880] that agreement. Well, I have signed agreements like that, but... Well, if the contract under
[14:38.880 --> 14:44.960] which the agreement was signed has expired, along with your driver's license, then you're not on the
[14:44.960 --> 14:54.560] contract. Right. I'm one of those... I don't know if it's a few or just... Because there's
[14:54.560 --> 15:00.720] lots of people that have revoked and suspended licenses. I'm one of those that has just an
[15:00.720 --> 15:05.680] expired license that just right out expired. No outstanding patients of any kind just expired.
[15:05.680 --> 15:11.360] So, didn't renew it. I'm busy with life trying to do that. Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness
[15:11.360 --> 15:17.200] are the same. Gosh, license just didn't seem important. Okay. Well, your argument is that
[15:17.200 --> 15:21.040] you're not under contract with the state. So, you're not... You haven't agreed to
[15:21.760 --> 15:29.200] waive your right to remain silent. And therefore, you cannot be compelled to identify yourself
[15:29.920 --> 15:36.800] simply because you may have at one time been in a contract with the state that required it.
[15:36.800 --> 15:42.560] But they're assuming that this applies no matter what. So, that should be a pretty good argument.
[15:42.560 --> 15:48.640] That's not an argument they're likely to want to get to the Supreme. You're already in the
[15:48.640 --> 15:55.120] Court of Appeals. That makes this... No, no. Wait a minute. Are you... Are you past the county court?
[15:55.120 --> 16:00.880] No, I'm not in the Court of Appeal. I am still in the district court, federal district court.
[16:00.880 --> 16:06.880] And what you're telling me right now is some very good stuff. I'm not totally ignorant.
[16:06.880 --> 16:13.920] Oh, wait a minute. Okay. I lost my place. You sued them. So, this is a good argument.
[16:13.920 --> 16:19.120] They're claiming that the police had an argument because you didn't produce license and you can
[16:19.120 --> 16:24.880] argue you weren't under contract with them so you weren't compelled. All right. So...
[16:24.880 --> 16:28.880] That'll work. Hang on. We're about to go to break. This is Randy Kelton,
[16:28.880 --> 16:38.720] Debra Stevens. The rules are real. I call it number 512-646-1984. We do have four callers on
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[16:49.840 --> 16:58.480] So, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, we'll be right back.
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[19:27.520 --> 19:51.920] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Ruleoflaw Radio, and we're talking Ralph in Texas.
[19:51.920 --> 20:01.280] So, okay, you got that one issue. You said there were three cases that did not apply. What were
[20:01.280 --> 20:10.800] the other two? What did they go to? The one they seized a car, or no, they seized a four-wheeler
[20:10.800 --> 20:17.360] because it was supported in a robbery or criminal activity. They took it out of the
[20:17.360 --> 20:24.240] person's yard at home, but they chased them. The person was in flight. It was a retarded kid,
[20:24.880 --> 20:30.960] and so they searched the four-wheeler and took parts off of it and essentially took it, and
[20:30.960 --> 20:37.200] they're saying that that applies to the DPS officer taking my car from the side of the road
[20:37.200 --> 20:47.360] and searching it. So, it's cases that aren't even close. It's nothing to do with taking a car
[20:47.360 --> 20:53.040] from the side of the road where it was shot by law enforcement, but they're using it under the title
[20:53.040 --> 21:01.440] of public caretaker. So, public caretaking, this, public caretaking, that, and then there is no public
[21:01.440 --> 21:06.640] caretaking when you've been arrested on the side of the road, and it's not a mandatory arrest. That's
[21:06.640 --> 21:13.600] the termination code. So, you had a, they were required to give you opportunity to make disposition
[21:13.600 --> 21:21.040] of your auto, and they didn't? Correct. That sounds like a pretty good argument.
[21:23.120 --> 21:27.280] Yes. You know, the car, it sounds like the judge is trying to protect public officials,
[21:27.280 --> 21:32.000] and that's what they do all the time. So, he came up with some cases and told him,
[21:32.000 --> 21:38.480] if you cite these cases, I'll rule in your favor. So, you let him know, you rule in his favor.
[21:39.520 --> 21:45.040] That'll work. We'll take you to the Supreme, and they're likely to not be quite so liant.
[21:47.200 --> 21:50.880] Oh, wait. You have to go to the Supreme. You're in the Fed.
[21:52.560 --> 21:52.880] Right.
[21:52.880 --> 22:02.320] Send me an email, send it to Ken. I've got a contact who's really good with the appellate
[22:02.320 --> 22:12.000] procedure, and things you can do. I'm thinking here, you follow a petition for declaratory
[22:12.000 --> 22:19.840] judgment, but I have to, I need to talk to Ken. Send me an email referencing this with a request
[22:19.840 --> 22:27.760] to Ken. Okay, I'll send you an email for Ken. Okay, let me finish. Let me finish. Yeah, okay.
[22:27.760 --> 22:35.920] With a request that I forwarded to Ken. Okay. Okay, then I'll do that. We need to get him in on this.
[22:37.840 --> 22:43.520] Okay, go ahead. Because our judgment is for a while, and they sound great. I don't know how
[22:43.520 --> 22:48.800] this is going to help me right now, but I mean, that's in the future, that is definitely the
[22:48.800 --> 22:53.760] route I'm going to take first and foremost, and probably most anything I can come across.
[22:54.320 --> 22:57.200] Wait a minute. You say what that was about again. I missed it.
[22:58.960 --> 23:01.840] I was saying, you were talking about declaratory judgments, and I'm going,
[23:01.840 --> 23:08.000] that's the route I will take next time first. I don't know. I'll have to craft something up,
[23:08.000 --> 23:12.320] but I'm just mentioning that I've been listening till you talk about these
[23:12.320 --> 23:15.440] declaratory judgments, and they sound like something I should be doing.
[23:15.440 --> 23:23.120] Yeah, and you can do, if you're in the state, you can do a declaratory judgment suit in the state.
[23:25.920 --> 23:28.000] Right, right. And that only costs 15 bucks.
[23:29.200 --> 23:33.440] Okay, I didn't talk about that, but you're in the state, jumping around up to the Fed.
[23:34.400 --> 23:38.560] You've got two different sets of courts here. You're suing in the Fed,
[23:38.560 --> 23:45.280] and you filed a declaratory judgment in the state. Almost certainly,
[23:46.400 --> 23:51.840] the plaintiff in this case will be the plaintiff in the declaratory judgments case.
[23:51.840 --> 23:54.800] He's going to move for a jointer, and you're going to oppose it,
[23:56.640 --> 24:04.080] because this is a state issue you're addressing, and you're asking the state to give you a ruling
[24:04.080 --> 24:09.920] on state law, and it's inappropriate for the judge under Rooker Feldman doctrine
[24:10.800 --> 24:19.920] to preempt state law, or preempt a state court, when it's a state statute issue you're asking
[24:19.920 --> 24:29.920] for declaratory judgment on. So you hold this in the state, and very specific, one issue,
[24:29.920 --> 24:38.640] if you have 10 issues, file 10 different suits, so that they rule on what the judges will do,
[24:38.640 --> 24:43.120] if you have more than one issue, is they'll rule on one of them and ignore the rest.
[24:44.800 --> 24:52.320] And when they ignore the rest, now you've got to fight forcing the court to address the issues
[24:52.320 --> 25:00.720] that they ignored. If you file a separate suit on each one, they can't ignore them.
[25:02.800 --> 25:06.000] And you get your ruling in the state, and you got them.
[25:07.680 --> 25:11.520] Okay. Well, I really appreciate the words you gave me a little while ago
[25:11.520 --> 25:16.560] that I will be able to use on the appeal. However, can we stick with this topic of
[25:16.560 --> 25:23.360] a judge determined for just a moment longer? Because it's a little cloudy in my head yet.
[25:23.920 --> 25:31.200] So the judge made this ruling saying that, well, these three cases apply. Now, after that,
[25:31.200 --> 25:36.880] the defendant did this motion for summary judgment using those three cases. I responded
[25:36.880 --> 25:44.160] showing how the three cases were not applicable. And a month went by and nothing happened. Then,
[25:44.160 --> 25:50.720] all of a sudden, the judge ordered the defendant to make a reply to my response.
[25:51.280 --> 25:54.960] And when I called you about that before, I'll remember, I'll remind you what he said,
[25:54.960 --> 25:59.920] he said that probably means that the judge is leaning my favor, but he wants to make something
[25:59.920 --> 26:05.280] absolutely clear before he makes a ruling. So he's telling the other side, they need to respond.
[26:05.280 --> 26:11.600] Well, they responded. I should say they replied. But what they said in their reply was the usual
[26:11.600 --> 26:17.520] stuff I can deal with. But they said this little thing, they said the judge has already determined
[26:18.160 --> 26:27.280] that these three cases apply. Okay, that won't get him anywhere. Well, that's what I was thinking.
[26:27.280 --> 26:32.080] But what I'm going to use is, I've come up with a little paragraph, I don't have a front on me,
[26:32.080 --> 26:36.480] but it's something to the effect of, will the judge use that before knowing all the facts?
[26:36.480 --> 26:41.840] And since the motion has been filed, a response has been made, now the judge is aware of all the
[26:41.840 --> 26:48.160] facts. So the judge's determination was not in order, it was only determination that these cases
[26:48.160 --> 26:58.240] apply, clear fire to be aware of more facts. What I suspect is going on here is the judge
[26:58.240 --> 27:07.280] is chewing out a law clerk, or the panel is chewing out a law clerk, getting him in this
[27:07.280 --> 27:14.720] position. Because some law clerk, they told the law clerk find a way to get these guys off the hook.
[27:15.760 --> 27:19.200] So the law clerk, from up to these best he could do is these three cases.
[27:20.400 --> 27:25.040] And he gave them to the judge and the judge said, okay, these apply. And then you come back and show
[27:25.040 --> 27:30.960] how they don't apply. I suspect some law clerk is getting a dressing down because they got the
[27:30.960 --> 27:39.440] judges in a spot. Okay, I figured the worst case scenario was if the judge would rule the three
[27:39.440 --> 27:46.160] cases do apply because he's determined that their client would be ruling on the 12B6,
[27:47.760 --> 27:53.840] that's not going to help him in the appeals court. Yeah, your problem is, oh wait, I'm sorry,
[27:53.840 --> 28:04.880] hold on. You are in the court of appeals now. No sir. Okay, that was my concern because if the
[28:04.880 --> 28:15.360] court of appeals did this, then the heck with what's right, that goes out the window. If the
[28:15.360 --> 28:23.920] court of appeals rules and your option is to go to the Supreme, the likelihood of the Supreme
[28:23.920 --> 28:31.280] picking up your case is somewhere between little and none. So anytime you're in the court of appeals,
[28:31.280 --> 28:39.920] you want to craft your argument in a way such that if the court does not rule in your favorite
[28:39.920 --> 28:46.240] rules against you, they create a precedent that everybody else can use and it will screw up
[28:46.240 --> 28:52.320] the court's jurors. But if you're still in the district court, then they still have to deal
[28:52.320 --> 28:57.200] with the court of appeals. Right, okay. So you're in a better position.
[28:59.280 --> 29:04.720] Right, so I'm going to put together a little email. Wait a minute. If you're still in the
[29:04.720 --> 29:16.000] district court, have you filed an amended petition? Several. Oh, okay. Then you might ask for an
[29:16.000 --> 29:26.240] amended petition based on the ruling of the court. You can state that the court's suggestion to the
[29:26.240 --> 29:32.960] defendant is well taken and you move the court to allow an amended petition based on the court's
[29:32.960 --> 29:38.800] advice to the defendants and refile and get your stuff in there.
[29:40.800 --> 29:44.800] Okay. Now, I have to think on that one. I'm not clear on that yet.
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[33:57.680 --> 34:12.640] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deb Stephen's a rule of law radio on this Thursday, the 13th
[34:12.640 --> 34:25.600] day of December 2018. And we're going to Scott the Redneck in Texas. Well, howdy, howdy. Long
[34:25.600 --> 34:32.240] time no call again. It has been a while. And we talked earlier in the week and Scott has something
[34:32.240 --> 34:40.640] very, very interesting for us. Tell us what you got, Scott. Okay, well, a lot of people probably
[34:40.640 --> 34:52.640] have heard of Larry Klayman and in his website with judicial, I don't think it's judicial watch,
[34:52.640 --> 34:57.200] but it's one of those. Anyway, Larry Klayman, everybody's heard of him. People heard of Jerome
[34:57.200 --> 35:07.440] Corsi and all this and Joe Arpaio. Well, Klayman has been starting representing a lot of these people
[35:07.440 --> 35:14.720] and he's been filing a lot of lawsuits. Well, now that he's filed lawsuits, now he has picked up the
[35:14.720 --> 35:22.160] mantle and started filing criminal complaint against public officials on behalf of this
[35:22.160 --> 35:30.400] particular one is Jerome Corsi. And I got a copy of it because if you get his emails, you know,
[35:30.400 --> 35:37.280] then he puts the actual filings online. And so you can pull them down to see what's just been
[35:37.280 --> 35:47.200] filed. So I got a copy of this one right here and it was very interesting because he's actually
[35:47.200 --> 35:54.640] filing criminal complaints against special counsel Robert Mueller, which is Robert S.
[35:54.640 --> 36:00.640] Mueller. The S stands for swan, which I thought that was kind of interesting.
[36:00.640 --> 36:06.640] I thought it was stood for Scheister. Yeah, you know, it should have, but, you know,
[36:09.040 --> 36:14.880] but reading through this thing, I thought there was a couple of really interesting points that I
[36:14.880 --> 36:19.680] know that you'll probably like. And what I'm just going to do is I'm just going to, you know,
[36:19.680 --> 36:24.480] it has its introduction and it was kind of interesting because he started out with Dear
[36:24.480 --> 36:31.120] Ladies and Gentlemen and it was a prior introduction to the actual introduction
[36:31.120 --> 36:36.960] of the body of the complaint. And then he starts going through the introduction and everything.
[36:36.960 --> 36:48.880] But what I want to really touch on is just what he's actually citing on the complaints themselves.
[36:48.880 --> 36:53.920] Like we'll start with like section two, personnel, the special prosecutor's office,
[36:53.920 --> 37:01.920] section three, knowledge that demanded testimony would be false. Then section four,
[37:01.920 --> 37:09.280] threatening prosecution for amended testimony. And then section five,
[37:09.280 --> 37:16.400] grand jury leaks. I mean, it goes into incidents and some other stuff. But when we start getting
[37:16.400 --> 37:25.520] down here into legal standards, unlawful leak into a grand jury, now he starts getting into
[37:25.520 --> 37:38.000] citing federal rules of criminal procedure rules, 6E subsection two. And then it starts getting even
[37:38.000 --> 37:43.600] better. The whole thing gets better and better as it goes. Section six, governing laws and
[37:43.600 --> 37:49.280] authorities, witness tampering. And then section eight, special prosecution and staff guilty of
[37:49.280 --> 37:58.640] witness tampering, witness intimidation and blackmail. All right. Then we go to 18 USC code 1513
[37:58.640 --> 38:08.240] retaliation against the witness, victim or an informant. Then 18 US 1512 tampering with a
[38:08.240 --> 38:17.520] witness, victim or an informant. Then we go into 18 US code 1505 obstruction of proceedings before
[38:17.520 --> 38:29.840] departments, agencies and committees. B, conspiracy to suborn perjury. Then seeing special councils
[38:29.840 --> 38:41.200] of office proposal to violate 18 USC 1001, 18 USC code 1001 statements or entries generally.
[38:41.200 --> 38:48.160] So I want to get down to a couple. It's getting close to the end, but extortion by government
[38:48.160 --> 38:56.880] official, 18 USC 872 extortion by officers or employees of the United States. Section E,
[38:56.880 --> 39:04.320] government officials can be guilty of violating criminal laws. F, special prosecution,
[39:04.320 --> 39:11.040] violated professional rules for prosecution, rules of prosecution, rule dot three dot eight,
[39:11.040 --> 39:18.320] special responsibilities of a prosecutor. Then we get in here is prosecution, special prosecution,
[39:18.320 --> 39:29.200] staffs obligated to obey ethics, rules, laws, 28 CFR 600.7 conduct and accountability.
[39:29.200 --> 39:42.640] Then we get into ethics standards for attorneys for the government, 28 USC 530C, 5 CFR 3801.101
[39:42.640 --> 39:51.920] general and then 28 CFR, 28 CFR 45.12 reporting to the Department of Justice of Professional
[39:51.920 --> 39:59.600] Responsibilities. Then this is where it starts to kind of wind up, but there was one part I
[39:59.600 --> 40:05.840] thought you was really going to lie because it goes into conspiracy to violate securities
[40:05.840 --> 40:13.440] regulation. What is going on here? And this is a finarable 4530 reporting requirements. What
[40:13.440 --> 40:23.440] has happened is Corsi holds the security license. So if he took this, this mucked up charge and
[40:23.440 --> 40:29.600] made a plea agreement, he would lose his security license. So now that he's going back and fighting
[40:29.600 --> 40:36.320] it, so he doesn't have to lose his security license and you know. So anyway, all this is being filed
[40:36.320 --> 40:50.080] to a, who was it filed to? It's filed to a professional, no, no, that's not it.
[40:52.240 --> 40:58.400] One of them is going to the DOJ. Another one was going to
[40:58.400 --> 41:07.120] the state bar in Washington, DC, and another one was being filed with,
[41:07.920 --> 41:15.680] oh, where was that damn line at? I think he was sending it to a appellate court.
[41:18.800 --> 41:20.720] Sounds like he's been reading our playbook.
[41:20.720 --> 41:28.400] Exactly. And I know for a fact that, well, I don't know for a positive fact, but
[41:28.960 --> 41:36.560] when I, you know, I had that YouTube channel, a lot of people were picking up on some of that.
[41:36.560 --> 41:42.880] And I know that some of the conversations, I can pretty much say that I've heard people
[41:42.880 --> 41:50.960] parrot your words that you have said on your show on other platforms that only come from you.
[41:50.960 --> 41:53.600] So I know they're listening to the show. That's what I'm getting at.
[41:55.120 --> 42:01.760] That's good to hear. You know, Deborah and I sit here and we speak to a microphone.
[42:03.680 --> 42:10.000] We like to think people are listening. And the only direct evidence we have is the callers who
[42:10.000 --> 42:21.520] get back to call in the show and emails we get. So to get an implied evidence that
[42:23.440 --> 42:29.520] other people in higher places are actually listening to what we're doing and using what
[42:29.520 --> 42:36.560] we're doing, whether claiming got this from our show or not is really relevant. The fact that
[42:36.560 --> 42:45.920] he's doing these things and things that we're talking about doing is essentially supporting
[42:45.920 --> 42:52.080] what we're doing, you know, give credence to what we're saying. So that I'm really pleased to hear
[42:52.080 --> 43:00.400] this. I think, I think Deborah might have had a question for you, Scott. Deb, you have a question.
[43:00.400 --> 43:07.600] I think he's hiding back there in the background. Before we came in,
[43:08.400 --> 43:12.880] she was kind of interested in the kinds of complaints. Go ahead, Deb.
[43:13.600 --> 43:18.320] No, I didn't have a, well, I did have a question, but as soon as you mentioned Larry Claimon,
[43:18.320 --> 43:28.400] my question was answered. Larry Claimon is a heavyweight, okay? He was in charge of judicial
[43:28.400 --> 43:36.320] watch, and now his organization is FreedomWatch, and he is really sockin' it to him. I want to talk
[43:36.320 --> 43:41.120] some more about what Larry Claimon is doing on the other side. We're about to go to break, but
[43:41.120 --> 43:47.120] but yeah, there's no fear there. My initial question was, what lawyer's going to file a
[43:47.120 --> 43:51.120] bar grievance and do all this stuff and put his career in jeopardy? Oh no, this is Larry Claimon,
[43:51.120 --> 43:58.480] okay? He doesn't have to worry about that. All right, we'll be right back.
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[46:26.400 --> 46:49.440] Okay, we are back. Randy Calton, Deborah Stevens,
[46:49.440 --> 46:55.280] rule of law radio, and Deborah has some comments. She's very familiar with Larry
[46:55.280 --> 47:02.000] Klayman, Deb. Yeah, yeah, Larry Klayman. I'm a big fan of Larry Klayman, Freedom Watch.
[47:02.800 --> 47:10.160] Larry Klayman, another thing that he is doing is he's got a class action lawsuit going.
[47:10.160 --> 47:19.120] He is a former antitrust attorney who actually helped break up Mabel, the 18-T monopoly,
[47:19.120 --> 47:23.360] during the Reagan administration. So he's very familiar with antitrust laws,
[47:23.360 --> 47:33.360] and he has spearheaded an antitrust class action lawsuit against the Biggies,
[47:33.360 --> 47:42.560] Google, and Facebook, and Twitter, and all of these ones. Basically, he is alleging,
[47:42.560 --> 47:50.640] and which is very true what he is alleging, that they are in corroboration to restrict trade.
[47:50.640 --> 47:58.160] Okay, they are in an anti-competitive corroboration, it's called a cartel, to restrict trade,
[47:58.160 --> 48:06.480] because they are in collusion to, and Apple too, Apple is a co-defendant as well. They are in
[48:06.480 --> 48:16.800] collusion to ban people's political opinions that are right-wing or Christian or that support Trump.
[48:16.800 --> 48:21.920] All right, and another thing that I think he's doing, well, I know some other people have
[48:22.960 --> 48:30.560] also talked about doing it and are working it up, which is to go after these big social media giants
[48:31.200 --> 48:38.960] under utilities laws, okay, because Google is a utility now. All right, there is no,
[48:38.960 --> 48:44.880] that can't be debated, okay, there's Google fiber. They are a utility, but it is also arguable
[48:44.880 --> 48:55.040] that Facebook and Apple, you know, these other companies, you can argue that they are also a
[48:55.040 --> 49:01.920] utility, because they are providing a service that is on the same level as a utility. Under
[49:01.920 --> 49:09.520] utilities laws, utilities are highly regulated by the federal government. A utility cannot
[49:09.520 --> 49:17.680] bar you from, or ban you as a customer because of your political opinions, or your religious
[49:17.680 --> 49:25.600] beliefs, or your race, or because you support Trump, or whatever, okay. If you're a utility,
[49:25.600 --> 49:30.880] you have to provide service to everyone. You can't discriminate like that. It's not like a
[49:30.880 --> 49:35.520] restaurant that can, you can hang a sign on the door that says, we reserve the right to
[49:35.520 --> 49:40.320] refuse service to anyone. Okay, you can't do that when you're a utility. All right, so there's,
[49:41.440 --> 49:46.240] people are about to go after these big social media giants, especially Google,
[49:46.240 --> 49:52.080] under violation of utilities laws, but this class action thing is fantastic because they're kicking
[49:52.080 --> 50:01.760] everybody off of these so-called platforms if they don't toe the politically correct line.
[50:01.760 --> 50:09.600] And, and what their excuse is, what they're trying to say is, well, we have terms and
[50:09.600 --> 50:19.680] conditions, and this is a private website, and so we can do whatever we want, but that's just
[50:19.680 --> 50:27.840] not the way it is because it's, it's false advertising. It's called YouTube, okay. YouTube,
[50:27.840 --> 50:34.800] you post the video, all right, Facebook, your face, your opinion, your voice, all right, and so
[50:35.440 --> 50:41.680] they can't have it both ways. They want to say, they want to have, but basically they want to
[50:41.680 --> 50:46.400] have their cake and eat it too. They want to say their platform, but then they want to say no,
[50:46.400 --> 50:54.640] we're private. Well, which one is it? Okay, it's kind of like, it's kind of like, it's kind of like
[50:54.640 --> 51:03.440] when you have a blog, okay, when you have a blog, you're not necessarily responsible for, I'm getting
[51:03.440 --> 51:07.760] some feedback here, Randy. I think your microphone or your headphones to close your microphone or
[51:07.760 --> 51:15.040] something. It's kind of like, if you have a blog, it only goes so far as to how responsible, how
[51:15.040 --> 51:23.280] liable are you for comments that people post on your blog post, okay, in response to your blog
[51:23.280 --> 51:33.760] post on your blog page, okay. It's your blog page, but you're not the one that posted that content,
[51:33.760 --> 51:40.800] okay, so there's a line there where you can only, like for liability, you know, for libel and slander
[51:40.800 --> 51:46.960] and things like this, there's only so far, only so far that it can be taken as far as you being
[51:46.960 --> 51:53.360] responsible, all right. Well, if it's you, if you're the one that's posting like, terroristic threats
[51:53.360 --> 51:58.640] or whatever on your own blog page, well then, yeah, absolutely, you can be held responsible.
[51:58.640 --> 52:02.240] And so these social media giants are trying to have it both ways. They're trying to say, well,
[52:02.240 --> 52:07.040] we're a platform and people just, you know, post whatever they want, we're not really,
[52:07.040 --> 52:10.960] we're not responsible for the content, we can't be held liable, blah, blah, blah, blah, but then
[52:10.960 --> 52:15.840] on the other hand, they want to say, oh no, but we are liable and blah, blah, because we are the
[52:15.840 --> 52:20.400] content providers. Well, which one is it? Are you a platform or are you a content provider? No,
[52:20.400 --> 52:25.440] you can't have it both ways. And number two, you're also utility and number three, you're in violation
[52:25.440 --> 52:29.360] of a bunch of antitrust laws too. Hold on a second. And so they're about to be, these social media
[52:29.360 --> 52:36.480] giants are about to be taken down by Larry Claimant. Okay, when we produce our show and our
[52:36.480 --> 52:45.680] show is broadcast from a radio station, we go into the public domain and now we become
[52:45.680 --> 52:54.400] subject to all of those requirements. We can't block free speech because we're in the public.
[52:54.400 --> 53:05.680] Facebook's in the public. Now, if it were a private service, then perhaps they could make
[53:05.680 --> 53:13.760] that claim. But when they open that up to everybody and then they make it available on a
[53:13.760 --> 53:18.000] publicly accessible network, they're in the public. Well, wait a minute,
[53:18.000 --> 53:25.280] Radie, there is a difference. Okay, this is rule of law radio. Okay, and this is not like a
[53:25.280 --> 53:33.040] conference call. Okay, this radio network, we're not just opening the floor up for anybody to call
[53:33.040 --> 53:40.320] in and talk about anything they want on our dime. Okay, that's not how it works. Okay,
[53:40.320 --> 53:46.080] I don't censor people. I don't screen people for their political opinions if they want to express
[53:46.080 --> 53:51.520] an opinion or things like that. But it's like, if people start to take things too far off topic,
[53:51.520 --> 53:55.680] I have a right to mute them and go to the next call. If people want to be insulting or start
[53:55.680 --> 54:00.640] cursing or throwing out ad hominin insults and stuff like that, I have a right to go to the
[54:00.640 --> 54:06.720] next call. If people want to start promoting Hillary Clinton on my network, I have a right
[54:06.720 --> 54:13.520] to ban them. Okay, this is a private thing. This isn't a Facebook. Okay, there's a big difference.
[54:13.520 --> 54:20.000] And so they can't censor quote unquote censor. And actually, that's not even the correct word.
[54:20.000 --> 54:27.600] Censoring is when the government stifles free speech. Okay, private entities don't censor.
[54:27.600 --> 54:33.920] All right, they're not capable of it. The only governments can censor. But you and I can control
[54:33.920 --> 54:38.640] the content on our show. Okay, we have a right to do that. It's our show. Facebook doesn't have a
[54:38.640 --> 54:44.640] right to do that. Google doesn't have a right to do that because they are a public platform.
[54:44.640 --> 54:49.520] It's kind of like wordpress.com. All right, if you want to have a you can post a blog,
[54:49.520 --> 54:54.880] it's your words. They can't kick you off because they don't like your political opinion. But they
[54:54.880 --> 55:01.520] did that to Scott Creighton. Okay, one of Tom's guests and he's a lefty. Okay, Scott Creighton
[55:01.520 --> 55:06.800] had a very popular like thousands and thousands, like tens of thousands of followers, hundreds
[55:06.800 --> 55:13.760] of thousands of followers even on WordPress sites for like 20 years. And WordPress kicked him off,
[55:13.760 --> 55:23.520] a liberal, because he was speaking truth to power and talking about the bad stuff that
[55:23.520 --> 55:29.760] Hillary had done and supporting, you know, things that are going on right now that people, you know,
[55:29.760 --> 55:35.280] the, that rub the snowflakes the wrong way and whatnot. And so, yeah, WordPress is about to
[55:35.280 --> 55:40.640] get in trouble over that too. They can't do that. Now, they can set, they can have these, these
[55:40.640 --> 55:46.480] public platforms can have certain terms and conditions like we're not going to allow people
[55:46.480 --> 55:52.720] to post porn. Okay, they can do that. Or they can say we're not going to allow people to
[55:52.720 --> 56:02.720] threaten murder or threaten terror attacks or threaten to kill people and stuff like that.
[56:02.720 --> 56:07.680] They can, they can do that. It's things that are criminal making, making threats to kill the
[56:07.680 --> 56:12.400] president, which people are doing all the time now. I don't know why they're not in jail, but you,
[56:12.400 --> 56:19.280] they can draw the line when it comes to like criminal activity. Okay, planning to, you know,
[56:19.280 --> 56:24.480] corroborating with people to, to build a bomb to go blow up some building or something. They,
[56:24.480 --> 56:29.600] they can, they can say we're not going to allow that on our platform. Okay, but they can't,
[56:29.600 --> 56:36.720] yes, criminal activity, no, no, it does not, but they can't say we're going to kick you off because
[56:36.720 --> 56:42.400] you support Trump. Okay. And so, and especially if they're going to be in corroboration with these
[56:42.400 --> 56:50.480] other platforms, okay, these other social media giants and utilities. So anyways, that's a little
[56:50.480 --> 56:56.720] bit of a sketch of, you know, a summary of some of the things that Larry Claimant is doing. He,
[56:56.720 --> 57:01.840] because we have been waiting for somebody, if he did this in September, okay, so I've been
[57:01.840 --> 57:05.520] kind of following the case. And of course, all these cases go very slow. It's a class action
[57:05.520 --> 57:10.560] lawsuit. So if anyone out there, in fact, I need to make sure Scott Creighton gets in touch with
[57:10.560 --> 57:16.720] him. If anybody out there has been kicked off of Twitter or Google or Facebook or anything like
[57:16.720 --> 57:24.560] that, or if you've gotten warnings, okay, or suspensions, even temporary suspensions, because
[57:24.560 --> 57:31.680] you, you posted a Confederate flag or because you said something positive about Trump or you
[57:31.680 --> 57:37.520] posted a picture of yourself with a MAGA hat or whatever, get in contact with Larry Claimant,
[57:37.520 --> 57:47.840] because we need to gather everyone who has been, you know, denied their rights in this way. We
[57:47.840 --> 57:52.880] need to take down these social media giants. This is just ridiculous. So anyway, kudos to Larry
[57:52.880 --> 57:58.240] Claimant. And yes, I had heard all that stuff about what he was doing with Jerome Corsi, too.
[57:58.240 --> 58:05.040] So I'm very impressed. Anyway, so yeah, thanks for bringing that up, Scott. Larry Claimant
[58:05.040 --> 58:11.280] is a hero. Claimant, excuse me. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I just wanted to share that with
[58:11.280 --> 58:18.240] y'all. And just to all the listeners out there, keep filing criminal complaints on these people,
[58:18.240 --> 58:24.320] because trust me, it has made a bit of difference around here. And with that, I'll let y'all go
[58:24.320 --> 58:29.440] to the next call. Thank you. And we're coming up to the top of the hour. Thank you, Scott, for calling
[58:29.440 --> 58:35.440] in and reminding us about all that. And yeah, anybody who's been censored quote unquote by
[58:35.440 --> 58:38.960] these social media giants getting in touch with Larry Claimant. And if Trump can get a good
[58:38.960 --> 58:44.720] Attorney General in there, then he will act or she will act on these criminal complaints and throw
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[01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:58.960] Jane History, the year 2000, the United States Supreme Court releases its decision in the Bush
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[01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:33.680] Oh, go away. Too soon, too soon. There we go. Okay, this is Randy Colton,
[01:03:33.680 --> 01:03:40.320] real raw radio. When I bring this in, I need to wait about a count of five for the
[01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:48.960] bumper music to drain down, and sometimes I jump the gun. Okay, now we're going to go to
[01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:56.480] Brett in Texas, and Brett has some crowing to do. Hello, Brett.
[01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:04.800] I have some crowing. Hello, Randy. Yes. Tell us what you're doing with your cases.
[01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:13.840] Well, with one of them. Okay, hold on. I said that wrong. Crowing to do.
[01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:19.600] Now, Brett wants to comment on bar grievances and criminal complaints and the effect that they're
[01:04:19.600 --> 01:04:26.560] having. I forgot where it was at. Okay, go ahead, Brett. Okay, so I'll crow in a minute then.
[01:04:26.560 --> 01:04:35.840] So the bar grievance is what I'm noticing about that. I'm independently from the comments that
[01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:41.360] you've had and the things that you've been assuring us that they're having some kind of effect.
[01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:49.360] And independently of that, I've been noticing that as well. And I'm really relieved that there's
[01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:56.720] something that we can touch because there's so much wrong that they're doing. And until this,
[01:04:56.720 --> 01:05:04.400] I've been feeling like helpless. Like, we can't do anything about it. They just do whatever they
[01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.800] want, rule against us out of hand, ignore the law, compare, and there's nothing we can do about it.
[01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:18.160] But there is. These bar grievances and criminal complaints, they keep switching people out.
[01:05:19.040 --> 01:05:25.040] Specifically, I see what the bar grievance is that it doesn't take much. And that attorney just
[01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:31.920] disappears and they swap them out for somebody else. You know, you still feel sorry for the new
[01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.840] guy that gets swapped in there. But, you know, if he's going to not follow the law either,
[01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:41.040] well, then he's going to get a bar grievance. And then somebody else is going to get swapped in there.
[01:05:41.040 --> 01:05:46.480] But I think that rotation happening, which, you know, to me, that's a direct indicator that
[01:05:49.600 --> 01:05:56.400] we're touching on. That's the only indication we're going to get because, you know,
[01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:04.000] if you're not getting a fight and I've just hurt my shoulder, the last thing I'm going to do is
[01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:10.640] point at that shoulder and say, See, there's this spot right here. Well, that really hurts. Don't hit
[01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:18.640] me there. Actually, I'm going to point that shoulder at you to get you to try to get around
[01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:25.280] that shoulder to get to me. This is what we're dealing with, with going after these guys.
[01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:31.920] The more you sting them, the less likely they are to want you to know that you stung them.
[01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:39.520] And that's been kind of hard part because, you know, we like to see results. We like gratification.
[01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:48.000] If I punch you, I want to see you step back and stagger. I don't want to punch you and have my
[01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:55.120] fist bounce off of you. Now, I may give you a shot to the ribs and my fist bounce off of you and
[01:06:55.120 --> 01:07:01.680] you don't show any sign at all. Well, I don't feel like I did anything. I was watching a program
[01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:10.160] about football players and they had Mean Joe Green on there and he was explaining some of the
[01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:20.720] technique. He said, if you can hit a guy just below the rib pad, you can knock a quarter out of him.
[01:07:23.120 --> 01:07:31.440] Wow. It's kind of like that. Now, you hit him below the rib pad and sting him good.
[01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:38.560] You knock him down, he gets up and walks off the field. But when he goes and sits down on the bench,
[01:07:38.560 --> 01:07:45.360] his ribs are killing him and his energy goes down. He loses his strength. This is the kind
[01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:50.080] of thing we're doing to him. We're wearing him down. And I'm really glad to hear this, that
[01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:58.640] you're noticing that they're having to switch these lawyers out because, Brett, I have no
[01:07:58.640 --> 01:08:07.520] doubt this lawyer gets a bargain grievance. And now he's stuck. He gets out of law school. He's not
[01:08:07.520 --> 01:08:16.160] the sharpest knife in the drawer. No law firm picks him up. So now he's got to figure out how
[01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:24.560] to make a living and pay off this $180,000 student loan. So he gets on with a local municipality.
[01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:31.840] And the first thing that happens to him is he gets a bargain grievance. Or he gets a guy like me
[01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:39.920] that went into Southlake and I didn't have a ticket. But the guy was there to help.
[01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.960] They called him in to meet with the prosecutor and the bailiff wouldn't let me go in with him.
[01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:50.080] So I asked the bailiff to go and arrest the prosecutor and the bailiff refused.
[01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:59.520] I went to the Justice of the Peace with 58 felony charges of impersonating a public official
[01:09:00.240 --> 01:09:10.880] against this brand new prosecutor. And you just got out of law school. You're doing what everybody
[01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:18.000] tells you. The way everybody tells you. And you got somebody filing 58 felony charges against you.
[01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:27.120] That's going to be fun. Just for one afternoon. Imagine what he does the rest of the week.
[01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:37.280] And that was great fun. But I'm glad to see that Brett has been fighting this fight for quite a
[01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:44.960] while. And Brett's got a real big time dog in the hunt. They're coming after him and
[01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:50.800] with class B misdemeanors. You know this can put you in jail. This can ruin your whole life.
[01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:57.200] And he's fought him anyway. How many years you've been fighting these guys?
[01:09:59.120 --> 01:10:07.440] Well I guess it's been it was 2015 when I finally stood up. I stopped paying and I started reading
[01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:15.280] the law. And I said I know this is not right. My gut tells me has been telling me all along this
[01:10:15.280 --> 01:10:22.800] is not right. But I have to find where it is in the law. And I started reading and I stopped
[01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:30.160] just paying because they're just kept increasing. It wasn't going to let up. I didn't pick
[01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:36.800] this. It wasn't like you know you say the best fight is the one that you pick. Well this landed
[01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:45.120] on me. I didn't really choose this. Yeah this is where you're saying they kick this soapbox
[01:10:45.120 --> 01:10:55.520] up under your feet. The problem is is Brett elected to stand squarely on it. So what's the
[01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:02.000] circumstance now? Now all this time since 2015 they've been trying to get you convicted of class
[01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:09.760] b misdemeanor that puts you in jail. Here it is 2018 and you're not in jail. How's it what's your
[01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:18.320] situation now? Well out of all the different cases that have come up I've seen two dismissed.
[01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:24.560] And I've seen most of them just back off after a while and they don't actually
[01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:33.360] they don't push. After a while they get enough criminal complaints and bar grievances and they
[01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:42.080] just don't push. Now two of them have pushed and I've ended up paying them whatever crazy
[01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:49.680] thousands of dollars they are going to want or else put me in jail. So there's been those.
[01:11:49.680 --> 01:12:01.520] But yeah overall I'm seeing that there is an effect to holding them accountable. I would
[01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:11.680] say this is not for the faint of heart. That is exactly what I was thinking the faint of heart.
[01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:21.520] This is a tough fight. They ought not to be doing this. Well I'm just going to give them a run for
[01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:27.440] their money. No don't do it. Don't do it for that reason anyway. You're not ready. You're just going
[01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:34.320] to get yourself in more hot water and they'll just wipe the floor with you because basically they
[01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:43.200] don't care about the law. And it costs a lot of money. It's a lot of effort to spend hours you
[01:12:43.200 --> 01:12:49.600] know months on end hours every night reading these things to figure out exactly what they're
[01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:54.880] doing wrong and exactly what you need to do to respond to hold them accountable. It's not easy.
[01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:59.120] It takes a lot of time. It takes you away from your family. It's a stressful thing.
[01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:11.280] You know if I would encourage people who want to take this on
[01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:24.000] do it in a wise way. Start out with the reading and the research and don't jump into it when
[01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:29.760] you have a ticket. Oh man excuse me it's feeding now I'm going to start fighting everything. No
[01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:38.080] just just do a lot of research and a lot of reading until you can you can hold your own
[01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:49.520] against all their nonsense. And don't don't let your if you have a driver's license
[01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:58.960] and don't let it lapse or don't let them don't look into a situation where like I did with mine
[01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:04.400] I let mine expire and I didn't care. I'm like a previous caller said a little while ago
[01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:09.520] you know I'm free man why would I care about getting a license for that. I'm not planning on
[01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:20.560] doing any commerce and I let mine expire. Well had I kept that up then I wouldn't have had
[01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:30.640] nearly a half of what I'm having now. Yeah and that goes to pick your fights very carefully.
[01:14:31.360 --> 01:14:36.960] Now I do this show and I talk to people about how to fight these guys you know I'm talking to Brad
[01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:44.720] and trying to help him fight these guys but it should be noted I have a valid driver's license
[01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:54.080] and if a police officer pulls me over and asks me to identify myself that is the first thing I will
[01:14:54.080 --> 01:15:04.480] do. I do not want to have the fight of failure to identify. I don't want to have the fight of
[01:15:04.480 --> 01:15:13.200] right to travel unless I pick that fight. I'm in the state of Tennessee I just got a speeding ticket
[01:15:13.200 --> 01:15:23.200] from a state trooper. Now I'm going to have that fight. I'm ready to have that fight. I'm going to
[01:15:23.200 --> 01:15:32.880] give this state trooper a romp through the legal system he will not believe but the worst they can
[01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:43.600] do to me is what they would do to me anyway. So I'm not looking at going to jail here. I'm only
[01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:51.520] looking at paying a fine. Right. Pick your battles very carefully and do not feel like you have to
[01:15:51.520 --> 01:16:00.000] be some kind of idealistic patriot nonsense. Heck with that. Now I'm a combat veteran
[01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:09.440] and you learn stuff in combat. You got to be real careful about the fights you get into.
[01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:15.600] Your fight may be absolutely justified. It may be the right thing to do
[01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:22.640] but if your enemy is going to roll over you and grind you in the dirt don't get in that fight.
[01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:31.920] Back up. Take your lumps there. Figure out how you can come back after them and then come at them
[01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:39.440] when you have the advantage. Right. If you need to make a deal to get out from under the the gun
[01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:45.920] make a deal. Don't feel like you've let anybody down. Make the deal so you can come back and fight
[01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:50.800] them when you have the advantage. Hang on Brett. We're about to go to break. Grant DeKelten,
[01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:58.560] Debra Stevens at Reelval Radio. I call in number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:20.720] I ain't gonna cry me.
[01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:24.000] Don't bore me.
[01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:40.000] Well, you ain't gonna fool me without the same old trick again, I was blindsided, but
[01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:41.000] I'm blindsided.
[01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:42.000] That did it again.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.000] I jumped in too soon.
[01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:44.000] Okay.
[01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.080] Randy Kelsen, Deborah Steeves, Rural Law Radio, and we're talking to Brett in Texas.
[01:19:48.080 --> 01:19:55.600] And Brett is, you know, I do this show and I look for people who can fight them.
[01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.920] Most people are focused somewhere else.
[01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:04.520] They've got lives, they've got things they have to deal with, but every once in a while
[01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:10.920] they come across someone who just will not be pushed.
[01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:15.680] They won't be pushed around by these public officials just because of Carribean Beach.
[01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:25.160] These people are very rare and if you're not one of those people, you owe nobody any apology.
[01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:31.320] Everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses.
[01:20:31.320 --> 01:20:35.080] Everybody has a place.
[01:20:35.080 --> 01:20:38.800] It took me a very long time to find my place.
[01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:43.760] I was blown up inside a tank once, but I was in the tank when it blew up, so it didn't
[01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:46.920] hurt me, it looked horrible outside.
[01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:51.600] After that happened, I talked to the guy that owned this place and we got to talking about
[01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:53.880] your death experiences.
[01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:57.320] He would tell one, I'd tell one, he'd tell one.
[01:20:57.320 --> 01:21:05.320] He ran out, I kept going, and finally he said, what in the heck are you doing here?
[01:21:05.320 --> 01:21:12.080] And I told him, I have no idea, but I've been kept here for some reason.
[01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:15.480] This is the reason I've been kept here.
[01:21:15.480 --> 01:21:26.720] I've been kept here to find people like Brett and Scott and Tina in California and Ken in
[01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:33.640] New York and Ken in Missouri.
[01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:34.640] This is my purpose.
[01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.120] This is why I was put here.
[01:21:37.120 --> 01:21:40.520] Everything else I do is superfluous.
[01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:45.240] But there aren't that many of us put here for this purpose.
[01:21:45.240 --> 01:21:52.000] If you're not put here for this purpose, don't get yourself thrown in jail because some idiot
[01:21:52.000 --> 01:22:00.240] patriot mythologist says you have a duty to do this stupid stuff that'll get you in trouble.
[01:22:00.240 --> 01:22:05.160] Nobody helps our cause by being in jail.
[01:22:05.160 --> 01:22:08.200] You only help our cause when you're out of jail.
[01:22:08.200 --> 01:22:11.680] You have the advantage in kicking their behinds.
[01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:19.200] So it is a sensitive spot with me because I've had so many people call me to help me
[01:22:19.200 --> 01:22:25.200] help them get out of the problems that a lot of these patriot mythologists have talked
[01:22:25.200 --> 01:22:27.800] them into.
[01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:34.560] Brett, I've watched Brett for a number of years and he has really struggled and his
[01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.000] wife has struggled.
[01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:41.800] This has really been difficult, but he never quit.
[01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:49.400] There's a lot to be said for the guy that never quits.
[01:22:49.400 --> 01:22:55.800] How do you feel about this now, Brett, in overall looking down the road with the rest
[01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:58.800] of your life?
[01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:02.920] Was it worth it?
[01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:16.240] Very thankful that we've had some hard knocks and this is things that need to be done.
[01:23:16.240 --> 01:23:18.480] This is, it had to happen.
[01:23:18.480 --> 01:23:25.560] It wasn't something that I picked, it wasn't something I wanted, but it needs to happen.
[01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:31.600] And I'm very thankful because I know a lot of men would not have their wives standing
[01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:38.200] to fight them in this.
[01:23:38.200 --> 01:23:43.360] In some ways, I mean women want to have some security, they want to have some stability
[01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:53.720] and these lawless people calling themselves the law, they throw a lot of curveballs at
[01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:56.320] you that messes with the stability and security.
[01:23:56.320 --> 01:24:04.760] It takes away your money, it takes away your time and it's a very psychological and emotional
[01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.720] battle as well as just the fact that they're not following the law.
[01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:18.960] It's not just a black and white read the page and check a box, this is, it goes deep.
[01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:27.840] I met more than one man who was lamenting his situation because he was going to lose
[01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:32.800] his family, he was going to lose his wife, his wife was going to leave him or he was
[01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.240] going to lose a job all because of this.
[01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:44.840] It really, it cuts, it's not for the faint of heart.
[01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:54.320] And I have met Brett's wife, she is absolutely a sweetheart and she kicks his behind, no
[01:24:54.320 --> 01:25:00.280] I love it, but she has stood with him.
[01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:04.720] And it's always these difficult times that define us.
[01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:12.360] I have some difficult times that define to me and it seems like the more difficult something
[01:25:12.360 --> 01:25:21.080] is, at the end of the day it winds up more valuable to me and I told a story about being
[01:25:21.080 --> 01:25:23.840] shot off a jeep.
[01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:33.320] I was shot off that jeep because we're trying to spot incoming and you can't spot the incoming
[01:25:33.320 --> 01:25:38.480] to see where it's coming from so we had to give them a shoot at us and we got out and
[01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:42.760] stood on the front of the jeep to get them to shoot at us so we could see where they
[01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:51.080] were coming from and it's as if we dared them to shoot us off the jeep, the front of that
[01:25:51.080 --> 01:25:54.440] jeep and they accommodated us.
[01:25:54.440 --> 01:26:07.840] But at the end of the day, as I look back, that was a defining moment in my life.
[01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:18.120] You have something asked of you that is incredibly dangerous.
[01:26:18.120 --> 01:26:24.240] Will you do what needs to be done because it needs to be done?
[01:26:24.240 --> 01:26:30.600] How many people out there have had that test?
[01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:36.760] Cherokee County, Texas, I was convicted and given a year in jail for standing up to these
[01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:45.000] guys but I was convicted before the judge against whom I filed criminal charges with
[01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:53.960] the grand jury and they filed charges against me accusing me of operating a private investigator's
[01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.840] business without a license.
[01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:01.320] It was horribly improper.
[01:27:01.320 --> 01:27:10.360] The judge told the jury that a private citizen could not file a criminal complaint with the
[01:27:10.360 --> 01:27:17.440] grand jury and a lawyer sitting in the gallery mouthed, yes, he can.
[01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:20.920] So it was horribly improper.
[01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.760] They threw the book at me.
[01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:29.760] After 23 days in solitary confinement, I was standing in the jail cell looking in that
[01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:36.360] stainless steel mirror and I said to myself, you told the jury that at the end of the day
[01:27:36.360 --> 01:27:44.160] it didn't matter what they did because I was doing the right thing for the right reason
[01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:50.120] and no matter what they did at the end of the day, I would still be here.
[01:27:50.120 --> 01:27:54.080] So I said to myself, self, did you mean it?
[01:27:54.080 --> 01:27:59.680] Did you hear the book at you, give the maximum they could possibly give you, did you mean
[01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:11.640] what you said and stood there a minute and thought about it, said you darn right I did.
[01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:21.000] So what looks like a really horrible outcome turned out to be something that gave me the
[01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:26.880] opportunity to test myself.
[01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:30.560] Am I what I claim to be?
[01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:34.480] You get out here and you run your mouth and you tell people what you think they should
[01:28:34.480 --> 01:28:42.680] do but when it gets down to actually doing it, do you have the courage to do what you
[01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:43.680] talk about?
[01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:47.480] Brett has that grit.
[01:28:47.480 --> 01:28:48.480] Ken.
[01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:56.440] Ken, not Ken, Scott Richardson, he just called in earlier, he has that grit.
[01:28:56.440 --> 01:29:04.600] He took them on, just like Brett took them on and he never backed down from them.
[01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:13.320] These are, the American Indians talked about doing things that had power in them and what
[01:29:13.320 --> 01:29:20.120] they were talking about was making spiritually powerful decisions and the only decisions
[01:29:20.120 --> 01:29:28.840] that had power in them were the difficult ones so they considered difficulty as an opportunity.
[01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:35.680] I'm hoping that Brett and Scott and a number of other people begin to understand what an
[01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:38.440] opportunity this is in spite of the difficulty.
[01:29:38.440 --> 01:29:40.240] Hang on, Brett, we're about to go in a break.
[01:29:40.240 --> 01:29:45.160] I want to bring you back on the other side, Randy Kelton, Deborah Steeves, the rule of
[01:29:45.160 --> 01:29:46.160] our radio.
[01:29:46.160 --> 01:29:56.640] I call it number 512-646-1984, we've got one empty slot, we've got two more segments,
[01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:58.920] so we probably won't get you anymore.
[01:29:58.920 --> 01:29:59.920] Hang on.
[01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:00.920] We'll be back.
[01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:04.440] The Bill of Rights contains the first ten amendments of our Constitution.
[01:30:04.440 --> 01:30:07.920] They guarantee the specific freedoms Americans should know and protect.
[01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.320] Our liberty depends on it.
[01:30:09.320 --> 01:30:13.280] I'm Dr. Catherine Albright and I'll be right back with an unforgettable way to remember
[01:30:13.280 --> 01:30:16.400] one of your constitutional rights.
[01:30:16.400 --> 01:30:18.000] Privacy is under attack.
[01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:21.600] When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:26.360] And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:30:26.360 --> 01:30:31.640] So protect your rights, say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:34.160] Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:49.920] When I think of the second amendment, I visualize myself wrapping my two arms around the Bill
[01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.960] of Rights in a big old bear hug.
[01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:56.440] It's how I remember that the second amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms.
[01:30:56.440 --> 01:31:00.320] Arms that embrace our freedoms and won't let anyone take them away without a fight.
[01:31:00.320 --> 01:31:01.320] Get it?
[01:31:01.320 --> 01:31:02.320] Two arms?
[01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:03.320] Bear hug?
[01:31:03.320 --> 01:31:04.320] Bear arms?
[01:31:04.320 --> 01:31:07.360] The late Senator Hubert Humphrey captured the spirit of the second amendment so well
[01:31:07.360 --> 01:31:12.480] when he said, the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary
[01:31:12.480 --> 01:31:17.240] government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America,
[01:31:17.240 --> 01:31:20.280] but which historically has proved to always be possible.
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[01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.680] Over 6,000 of my fellow service members have given their lives.
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[01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:56.880] Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio, and I have on
[01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:02.360] the call board on the guest bridge Ken from Missouri.
[01:34:02.360 --> 01:34:13.600] And I was introduced to Ken, and I brought him in because I want him to be my mentor.
[01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:24.400] Ken knows appellate procedure like I know case procedure.
[01:34:24.400 --> 01:34:29.560] I know the front part, Ken knows the back part, and I'm going to want to introduce him
[01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:34.600] to a lot of these folks who are struggling with these guys to give them more strategy.
[01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:41.840] Okay, we're talking to Brett in Texas, and Ken, Brett has been after these guys for quite
[01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:42.840] a while.
[01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:43.840] He is a trooper.
[01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:48.560] He's been in the trenches.
[01:34:48.560 --> 01:35:00.800] I was pulled over on I-35 by a police officer from Cumbie, Texas, and I give him a bit of
[01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:01.800] a hard time.
[01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:08.000] And he said, you sound like somebody else that I wrote a ticket to.
[01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.240] I said, was his name Scott Richardson?
[01:35:10.240 --> 01:35:18.400] He said, nah, his name was Bart, or I said, Brett, yeah, Brett, that's it.
[01:35:18.400 --> 01:35:24.760] So we worked him over.
[01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:26.440] I went to Cumbie, Texas.
[01:35:26.440 --> 01:35:34.440] I actually drove 600 miles to Cumbie, Texas from Tennessee to file some documents in that
[01:35:34.440 --> 01:35:41.520] city because Brett had already taken them on.
[01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:53.560] And I had such a good time with these people that it was worth the trip.
[01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:55.120] There wasn't a judge there.
[01:35:55.120 --> 01:35:58.880] I wanted a judge to have an examiner trial, and I said, well, we don't have one here.
[01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:00.320] Well, get me one.
[01:36:00.320 --> 01:36:04.640] Well, we don't really have a judge right now.
[01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:05.640] The judge died.
[01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:08.680] I said, well, didn't you point another one?
[01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:12.120] Yeah, but that one's not available.
[01:36:12.120 --> 01:36:16.520] Well, get me someone that can do an examiner trial.
[01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:18.680] And the woman I talked to at first was the mayor.
[01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:19.680] I said, well, she's the mayor.
[01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:20.680] She could do it.
[01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:24.760] She said, well, I don't know how to do an examiner trial.
[01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:29.920] I said, your problem, not my problem.
[01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:37.600] I just drove 600 miles to be here on this day at this time.
[01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:39.720] And you have a duty to accommodate.
[01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:45.600] Well, I need to get my prosecutor's attorney over here.
[01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:46.600] Oh, no, no, no, no.
[01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:48.600] I don't like talking to prosecutor's attorneys.
[01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:54.680] Well, I don't really know anything about this.
[01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:59.240] I said, OK, if you're going to get your prosecutor over here, then I need security.
[01:36:59.240 --> 01:37:02.600] I need a bailiff or I need a policeman here.
[01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:03.600] We don't have a bailiff.
[01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:04.600] Well, get me a policeman.
[01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:09.960] So she calls and they have a policeman to get a policeman to come over.
[01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:14.120] And while we're waiting, I tell them that you're going to find this interesting.
[01:37:14.120 --> 01:37:18.440] You get to watch this policeman do this little chicken dance.
[01:37:18.440 --> 01:37:22.960] When I ask him to arrest the prosecutor, you watch what the cop does.
[01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:25.600] He'll start shifting from one foot to the other.
[01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:32.400] Oh, well, Mr. Kelton trying to figure out a way to get him off this dime.
[01:37:32.400 --> 01:37:39.880] So prosecutor showed up and talk to the prosecutor while finally I said to the bailiff, to the
[01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:40.880] officer they sent.
[01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:44.080] I said, I forget the guy's name.
[01:37:44.080 --> 01:37:45.080] He had an odd name.
[01:37:45.080 --> 01:37:52.680] I said, I need you to arrest prosecutor's attorney and the mayor.
[01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:56.600] The mayor looked at me like she didn't believe I just said that.
[01:37:56.600 --> 01:38:02.320] And when I did, the officer said, well, Mr. Kelton, and he starts shifting from one
[01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:03.840] foot to the other.
[01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:09.520] And I looked at the mayor and I kind of smiled and I pointed at the officer.
[01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.520] She knew what I was referring to.
[01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:17.560] She did not find it police bit funny.
[01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:23.640] I never have gotten the city of Cumbie to respond after that.
[01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.600] I think they just want me to go away.
[01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:35.400] The reason they want me to go away is because Brett has kicked their beehons.
[01:38:35.400 --> 01:38:44.280] Okay, go ahead, Brett, where are you now and what do you see coming in the future?
[01:38:44.280 --> 01:38:45.280] In the future?
[01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:52.960] It's a real timely that we can start learning from Ken because that's where I get stuck
[01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:53.960] every time.
[01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:59.960] All of these cases, if they don't dismiss it, it ends up with me trying to figure out
[01:38:59.960 --> 01:39:00.960] how to appeal it.
[01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:04.920] And they end up picking apart some little something and saying that I didn't do something
[01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:10.720] right or not within a certain time or I didn't spell something out well enough.
[01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:19.520] And then I start trying to understand, well, why do they not consider what's already in
[01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:20.520] the record?
[01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:24.800] Well, that's because you're supposed to be setting a new record, you have to re-object
[01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:28.760] the things or re-sometimes you're putting them into a new record.
[01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:37.320] And I don't know how that thing works and it's something definitely we need to learn
[01:39:37.320 --> 01:39:39.400] if we're going to take them to pass.
[01:39:39.400 --> 01:39:47.600] Let me make a suggestion, Ken, will you be able to come on tomorrow night?
[01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.400] I sure will.
[01:39:50.400 --> 01:39:54.280] But can you come on tomorrow night?
[01:39:54.280 --> 01:40:04.400] Let's see, I wouldn't be able to come on for the whole thing, we'll be over at someone's
[01:40:04.400 --> 01:40:05.400] house.
[01:40:05.400 --> 01:40:12.320] Well, we're going to be on until midnight tomorrow night, so you can come on later.
[01:40:12.320 --> 01:40:18.960] Now, what I want to do is have you kind of go through what you've done and have Ken do
[01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:25.440] an assessment of what he thinks you can do from the appellate perspective.
[01:40:25.440 --> 01:40:34.200] And essentially more than that, what you can do to set yourself up for the appellate side.
[01:40:34.200 --> 01:40:40.040] I haven't been able to teach people that because I don't know that part, but Ken does.
[01:40:40.040 --> 01:40:41.040] Wonderful.
[01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:42.040] Ken, yes.
[01:40:42.040 --> 01:40:44.760] He'll be able to bring us to the next level.
[01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:51.200] And I think that's when I first heard about Ken and then talked to him, I was really enthused
[01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:58.920] because everything we're doing in the trial court is to set the record for appeal.
[01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:05.720] But I'm not knowledgeable enough in appeal to Ken, yes, he's going to be a great compliment.
[01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:14.680] So what I can do is send me an email, Brett, and I will send you the bridge number I have
[01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:15.680] it now.
[01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:19.960] You asked me for it earlier and I couldn't get it because the bridge was shut down.
[01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:25.000] But I'm actually writing it down.
[01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:30.480] We have, for everybody else, we have a number you can call in, the regular call in number
[01:41:30.480 --> 01:41:35.400] when we go to break, we can't talk to you on the break.
[01:41:35.400 --> 01:41:40.000] But the bridge number, we can talk to you on the break.
[01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:44.080] So I will write down the bridge number and get it to you, Brett.
[01:41:44.080 --> 01:41:51.520] I would like to have everybody listen to what you have done and have Ken look at it and
[01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:59.080] say, how would we do this differently to set this up for things we can do in the appellate
[01:41:59.080 --> 01:42:00.080] process?
[01:42:00.080 --> 01:42:10.760] Quickly, I've got about two minutes to break, Ken, can you give us a kind of an overview
[01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:16.640] of how to think about positioning ourselves in the trial court so that we're in a better
[01:42:16.640 --> 01:42:20.960] position when we get to the appellate court?
[01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:29.400] Well, excuse me, you're going to, it depends on how much you want to fight, that's what
[01:42:29.400 --> 01:42:38.240] I tell people, because you can do a first motion for reconsideration once you get responses
[01:42:38.240 --> 01:42:44.760] from the other side or a ruling from the judge, as we all know, that's a common motion.
[01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:49.080] But what I've learned over the years is you don't put all your eggs in one basket when
[01:42:49.080 --> 01:42:55.960] you do reconsideration, you put one single motion because if you put two or three, they
[01:42:55.960 --> 01:43:02.320] can take one stroke of the pen, wipe them all out without giving you findings of facts.
[01:43:02.320 --> 01:43:07.720] So to set up an appeal, you want to do as many of those in a row, first motion, second
[01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:11.440] motion, reconsider, you can do rifts.
[01:43:11.440 --> 01:43:16.160] If your state has interlocutory appeals, you want to do those, that's why I tell people,
[01:43:16.160 --> 01:43:17.160] how hard do you want to fight?
[01:43:17.160 --> 01:43:21.320] Because I can give you the tools to fight, but then you have to have the time and the
[01:43:21.320 --> 01:43:22.320] resources.
[01:43:22.320 --> 01:43:25.640] Okay, my brief, very brief summary.
[01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:30.000] Okay, we're about to go to break and I'd like to expand on this a little bit when we come
[01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:31.080] back on the other side.
[01:43:31.080 --> 01:43:36.440] This is Randy Colton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio with our special guest, Ken from
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[01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:53.800] But what's worse than running off the cliff is doing the outro too soon.
[01:43:53.800 --> 01:44:00.200] Okay, now I've used up those few seconds, Randy Colton, Deborah Stevens, we were...
[01:44:00.200 --> 01:44:06.900] Okay.
[01:44:06.900 --> 01:44:16.340] Yeah, much better.
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[01:46:49.000 --> 01:47:02.000] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Brett. Brett, can you call in tomorrow night?
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.000] And so what time?
[01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:10.000] It wouldn't be right at the beginning. We're going over to some people's house. Actually, some people you know.
[01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:16.000] Well, we're on to midnight, so even if you called in at 11, that would be fine.
[01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:20.000] Yeah, I definitely can't call in.
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:29.000] Okay, then we'll schedule that because I think this will be very informative for everybody who's listening.
[01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:37.000] You know, Brett's been in the trenches and he started knowing nothing. These guys started after him.
[01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:46.000] He wasn't content to be beat up and pushed around, and he fought these guys.
[01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:55.000] And, you know, I've worked with him all this time and I've had, I've listened to his stress.
[01:47:55.000 --> 01:48:05.000] And I know that stress I've been there when the sky's falling in on you, but you don't back up.
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:12.000] There are very few that don't back up, and those are the ones I do this show looking for.
[01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:23.000] And for everybody else who doesn't have the option of doing what Brett did, what I've done, that's not a negative.
[01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:31.000] Everybody's not in a position to do this, and we don't need everybody. We just need a few.
[01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:47.000] Everybody else who wants to fight these guys, it's our job to help everybody else get from where they're at to a position to where they can become an influence.
[01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:55.000] Brett will definitely be an influence because he's fought these guys and hung on there.
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:05.000] And for everybody else, you know, a lot of people say, man, I can't do this. You know, I got too many things coming at me, and that's okay.
[01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:09.000] But as you learn, you will begin to move closer to the space.
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:26.000] What you want to do tomorrow with Brett and Ken is demonstrate what you need to know on the front end, you know, in the trial court, so that you're preparing yourself for appeal.
[01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:37.000] You know, everybody who's listened to the show for a while, they know I keep saying that you'll never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:43.000] Think so as naive and never expect to win in the trial court.
[01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:54.000] Your only purpose in the trial court is setting the record for appeal, but I haven't been knowledgeable enough on the appellate side.
[01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:56.000] Now I've got Ken.
[01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:15.000] So what I'm going to want to do tomorrow night is look at what Brett's been doing and have Ken look at what Brett's been doing and say, okay, this is what you need to do to set yourself up so that when you get to the appellate court, you got lots of things you can do.
[01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.000] Does that make sense, Ken?
[01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:22.000] You bet. Absolutely.
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:38.000] And briefly, can you give us some general idea of how we should think about what we're doing in the trial court so that we're prepared for when we get to the appellate process?
[01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:40.000] Absolutely.
[01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:46.000] The number one thing that I would say is you buy time.
[01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:47.000] Why do you do that?
[01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.000] Because you're going to get smarter.
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:54.000] If you're committed to this, you're going to be soaking things up.
[01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:58.000] You're going to be networking and discussing your situation.
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.000] You're going to be reading.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:11.000] And so anything that you can do to slow the case down is like Randy says, because I am absolute immunity.
[01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:21.000] With Randy is you have to use political strategies and that involves filing criminal charges.
[01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:37.000] It involves disciplinary complaints and bar grievances to slow things down to get a change of judge whatever makes sense at the time because you want to inject issues into the court and it takes time to get them written well.
[01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:39.000] It takes time to get advice.
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:55.000] That's why I said right up front that you have to decide if you really want to fight because like Randy, Randy is doing the same thing I've been doing is you find people that want to fight because if they're committed to it, you can talk all night long and come up with a good strategy.
[01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:57.000] It's just a matter of time.
[01:51:57.000 --> 01:51:58.000] It's just a matter of time.
[01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:09.000] A very upfront, you know, advice, so to speak, is to go slow, put a motion for reconsideration in, put a second motion.
[01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:15.000] If your state has options for interlockatory appeals, learn how to do that.
[01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:28.000] That's a general first way that I would approach it is you have to be committed to the long haul and realize that you're going to learn and look up your case law, write your briefs.
[01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:29.000] This all takes time.
[01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:30.000] There's no shortcut.
[01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:41.000] So anybody that gets on this program, get your notes out because Randy is going to invite people that have something that will trigger you to do something for your case.
[01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:59.000] And I'm going to be able to give a lot of ideas for this, but if you haven't started yet, if nothing's going to make as much sense until you're already engaging and you have something like we can specifically talk about like tomorrow would be a perfect way to do it.
[01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:09.000] To have specific examples and say, okay, when you're in this position and these circumstances have transpired, then here's the kind of options that you have.
[01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:13.000] So does that give you some initial fodder there?
[01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:14.000] Yes, yes.
[01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:17.000] And everybody should understand.
[01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:27.000] No matter what the other side does, there is always something you can do.
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:34.000] And not just something, there are a number of things you can do.
[01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:47.000] So the first thing we have to do is decide what we want to accomplish in whatever situation we're in, whatever litigation we're dealing with.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:57.000] For the most part, I get into litigation to where I want to stress the system.
[01:53:57.000 --> 01:53:58.000] I've been doing this a long time.
[01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:00.000] They don't scare me.
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:01.000] So I want to stress the system.
[01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:03.000] I want to find the weaknesses.
[01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:11.000] But if you're just starting this out, the first thing you want to figure out is how to protect yourself.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:20.000] How to keep these guys from trapping you for how to keep them from leading you down rabbit holes.
[01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:31.000] The first thing you have to do is to say you get a ticket and you decide, okay, I want to fight this thing a little bit.
[01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:32.000] So what do you want to do?
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:36.000] You want to lower the amount of the fine against you?
[01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:43.000] You want to keep this from affecting your insurance?
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:47.000] You want to force the officer to follow a law.
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.000] You want to force the prosecutor and the judge to follow a law.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:58.000] These are all different issues and they'll take a different strategy.
[01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:06.000] I've once heard it said that if you don't know where you're going, there is a good chance you will wind up somewhere else.
[01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:20.000] So anytime you get into one of these circumstances, first thing at the end of the day, what would be my optimal outcome?
[01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:28.000] If you don't know where you're going, you're going to wind up somewhere else and you don't owe anything to anybody.
[01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:33.000] You don't have to do the right thing because it's the right thing.
[01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:38.000] You have to do the right thing because it's right for you.
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:46.000] So if for you is making a deal, then you want to make the best deal you can make.
[01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:52.000] And don't feel like you've disappointed anyone because you make a deal.
[01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:55.000] Do what's right for you.
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:56:01.000] There are people like Brett who's willing to fight this system and who will take the time and do it.
[01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:06.000] But there are a lot of people who don't have the capacity to do that or the will to do that.
[01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:09.000] Their life is focused elsewhere.
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:13.000] If you just want to make a better deal, that's okay.
[01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:16.000] That helps us. That helps Brett.
[01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.000] Helps me. Helps Ken.
[01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:24.000] The more people we get pressing the system, the better.
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.000] So do it as best you can.
[01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:29.000] But first thing, figure out where you want to go.
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:33.000] Figure out what you want to do and we'll help you do that.
[01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:37.000] And we will have a spectrum.
[01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:50.000] You don't have to change your intended outcome to meet any expectation that we may have.
[01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:55.000] I talk to people and they seem embarrassed because they made a deal.
[01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:58.000] Don't be embarrassed for making a deal.
[01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:03.000] When I got sentenced to a year in jail, I made a deal.
[01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:06.000] Make a deal.
[01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:09.000] Whatever fits best for you and we will have a spectrum.
[01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:14.000] We have a cross section of people who can do all of the things we need to do.
[01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:17.000] We just need to find those people.
[01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:22.000] I'm not sure if I'm making any sense here, but I'm kind of excited.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:24.000] I finally got Ken and Brett together.
[01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:35.000] I think tomorrow night this will make a very good interchange and demonstrate how everybody can fit into helping correct the system.
[01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:47.000] And we can all work together and nobody feels like they owe some responsibility that they don't own.
[01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:49.000] Ken, am I making sense here?
[01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:54.000] You will probably understand where I'm trying to get to more than most folks.
[01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.000] You do?
[01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:00.000] You deal with people who are stressing out.
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.000] Go ahead, I'll shut up.
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:06.000] Yeah, I was just going to say it helps to know what you want to do.
[01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:14.000] And if you have a history in your personal life or your family of being persistent, that's going to help.
[01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:22.000] I'll just tell you that because out of the people that I've worked with, and a lot of people will tell you this,
[01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:33.000] attorneys will say this, a huge percentage has to drop off for family reasons, for job reasons, for all kind of reasons.
[01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:40.000] And it helps to know you're committed because people get halfway through.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:45.000] For some reason, it's a very few people that make it all the way through.
[01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.000] Okay, hold on, we're out of time.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:48.000] Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:50.000] We'll be back tomorrow night. Good night.
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