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[00:55.520 --> 01:01.240]  Today in History, the year 1968, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act
[01:01.240 --> 01:06.200]  of 1968, which prohibited private businesses from discriminating based on race, color,
[01:06.200 --> 01:08.040]  religion, sex, or national origin.
[01:08.040 --> 01:13.200]  It also prohibited unequal application of voter registration requirements, racial segregation
[01:13.200 --> 01:18.360]  in public schools, and employment, and public accommodations for places of business.
[01:18.360 --> 01:28.000]  In recent news, tensions in Syria seem to have reached new levels after a chemical attack
[01:28.000 --> 01:32.280]  on civilians in the city of Douma, which left 40 dead and many injured, an attack which
[01:32.280 --> 01:36.720]  is being blamed on the democratically elected president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, by the
[01:36.720 --> 01:41.480]  United States, and on Israel by Russia, either accusatory narrative without any verified
[01:41.480 --> 01:43.360]  evidence as of yet.
[01:43.360 --> 01:47.200]  President Trump tweeted today Wednesday that if, quote, Russia vows to shoot down any and
[01:47.200 --> 01:51.560]  all missiles fired at Syria, get ready, Russia, because they will be coming in nice and new
[01:51.560 --> 01:56.400]  and smart, going on to warn Russia that you shouldn't be partners with a gas-killing animal
[01:56.400 --> 01:58.600]  who kills his people and enjoys it.
[01:58.600 --> 02:02.640]  Many in the West, including President Trump, have been quick to conclude that this chemical
[02:02.640 --> 02:06.800]  attack must have been conducted by Assad and his forces.
[02:06.800 --> 02:11.040]  Syria and Russia, on the other hand, have given approval since yesterday for the Organization
[02:11.040 --> 02:15.600]  for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons to investigate the side of the chemical slaughter.
[02:15.600 --> 02:19.400]  Assad has been successful in maintaining rule and support during Syria's seven-year civil
[02:19.400 --> 02:24.000]  war, a civil war that is being fought by the government of Syria and anti-Assad Syrian
[02:24.000 --> 02:28.800]  rebels that are openly being funded by Western governments, with ISIS being one of the more
[02:28.800 --> 02:32.520]  notorious splinter groups of the American-backed Syrian rebels.
[02:32.520 --> 02:37.880]  No surprise then why Russian Foreign Minister Spokeswoman Maria Zakoba posted on Facebook
[02:37.880 --> 02:42.200]  that smart missiles should be fired at terrorists and not at a legitimate government, which
[02:42.200 --> 02:46.760]  has been fighting terrorists, or is this a trick to destroy all traces with a smart
[02:46.760 --> 03:12.720]  missile strike, and then there will be no evidence for international inspectors to
[03:12.720 --> 03:20.680]  destroy them.
[03:20.680 --> 03:32.680]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do, when they come for you?
[03:32.680 --> 03:38.680]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.680 --> 03:43.680]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams, you go to school and learn to go and then lose.
[03:43.680 --> 03:46.680]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[03:46.680 --> 03:54.680]  That's just cool Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do, when they come for you?
[03:54.680 --> 03:59.680]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:59.680 --> 04:02.680]  You're choquely done that one, you're choquely done this one
[04:02.680 --> 04:05.680]  You're choquely done your mother, you're choquely done your father
[04:05.680 --> 04:07.680]  You're choquely done your brother, You're choquely done your sister
[04:07.680 --> 04:10.680]  You're choquely done that one and you're choquely done me
[04:10.680 --> 04:15.680]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do, when they come for you?
[04:15.680 --> 04:38.000]  Okay, howdy, howdy, Randy Colton, Debra Stevens, rule of law radio on this Thursday, the 14th
[04:38.000 --> 04:47.040]  day of June 2018. And I'm going to start out with a little news today. I've been working on the
[04:47.040 --> 04:56.560]  business plan for the electronic lawyer project. And I'm at the point to where my advisors are
[04:56.560 --> 05:07.040]  telling me that I need a demonstrable product. Well, the only one I have that's close is the
[05:07.040 --> 05:19.280]  traffic site. It's risky. But I'm going to set up the go ahead and launch the traffic site. I went
[05:19.280 --> 05:24.960]  in today and made sure everything was working right. Now I'm building the questionnaires.
[05:24.960 --> 05:31.760]  It's a lot of work. It should take me two or three weeks to get those built. And then I will fully
[05:31.760 --> 05:38.400]  launch the site. By the time I get the traffic site up and running, I should have the rest of my
[05:38.400 --> 05:47.200]  business plan ready. So that when I start going before investors, I will be able to demonstrate
[05:47.200 --> 05:53.600]  this product because I should be once I get it launched, I shouldn't it shouldn't take long
[05:53.600 --> 06:02.240]  before we shut down traffic enforcement in Texas or at least get a tremendous amount of chatter
[06:02.240 --> 06:10.000]  going over the kind of documentation that we're going to be providing. And as you've been listening
[06:10.000 --> 06:17.760]  to the show you last week, Friday, we talked to Brett Fountain. An interesting thing about Brett,
[06:17.760 --> 06:27.520]  Brett got a ticket in Cumbie, Texas. And I was coming out back up to Tennessee and I was cruising
[06:27.520 --> 06:33.280]  through Cumbie, Texas, and I got pulled over and got a ticket in Cumbie, Texas. And I was talking
[06:33.280 --> 06:39.360]  to the officer and he was trying to imply that if I wasn't careful, he'd write me a whole bunch
[06:39.360 --> 06:44.240]  of tickets and I told him, that's okay. That won't be a problem. Oh, there's a lot to pay
[06:44.240 --> 06:49.200]  him a loss. No, no, no, we have a lot of fun with those. I get to file all kinds of documents.
[06:49.200 --> 06:54.720]  We were talking and he said, yeah, he had somebody filing that filed a whole bunch of documents,
[06:54.720 --> 07:00.160]  somebody he wrote a ticket to. And I said, would his name happen to have been Scott?
[07:01.440 --> 07:08.400]  And he said, no, I think his name was Brett. I said, Brett Fountain. He said, yeah, that's the guy.
[07:08.400 --> 07:14.320]  I told him Brett was filing my documents, at least initially he was.
[07:15.920 --> 07:23.120]  You're the one that wrote those? Yeah, I'm the one that wrote those. Oh, that was so much fun.
[07:24.160 --> 07:32.240]  Now he's had Brett come at him and Brett has really come after him. And he's written
[07:32.240 --> 07:40.160]  several criminal complaints against this guy, several bar grievances, criminal complaints
[07:40.160 --> 07:46.800]  against the judge and prosecutor. Now he's looking at getting another one coming at him the same way.
[07:48.320 --> 07:56.240]  So this will help because what we do to Crumbby, what we do to one judge,
[07:56.240 --> 08:01.760]  all the other judges find out about, and apparently this female judge in Crumbby
[08:02.880 --> 08:10.160]  has a real attitude issue. So Brett and I are getting together. We're going to lay down an
[08:10.160 --> 08:18.640]  onslaught for them. I have a large stack of documents already to file and we're going to
[08:18.640 --> 08:29.200]  put together some discovery. Because in filing these complaints in cities, one of the things when
[08:29.200 --> 08:40.400]  I file motions before a criminal court, the prosecutors never answer them. Especially, well,
[08:40.400 --> 08:45.440]  sometimes you'll get them in higher, like in district or county courts and in higher level
[08:45.440 --> 08:53.920]  offenses. But justice and municipal courts, the prosecutors, they never look at anything until
[08:53.920 --> 08:58.640]  they get in court. So when they get in court, they've got all these motions in the prosecutors.
[08:59.200 --> 09:07.200]  They look at them and they try to argue them right there on the spot. Well, we've discovered some
[09:07.200 --> 09:16.160]  interesting case law, part of which states that any issues in the live pleadings must be opposed
[09:17.600 --> 09:25.440]  and must be, must be, must be opposed. If they're not, they constitute formal judicial admission.
[09:27.120 --> 09:31.760]  So any issues we bring in these motions, if they don't file a response to them,
[09:31.760 --> 09:38.080]  then they become a judicial admission. So when we get to court, then the prosecutor's
[09:38.080 --> 09:46.080]  going to want to argue them. But we've got other case law that says that judicial admission cannot
[09:46.080 --> 09:57.200]  be argued. I'm sorry, when the, any issues not argued in the court, not any issues, any issues
[09:57.200 --> 10:05.200]  in live pleadings not answered cannot be argued by the opposing counsel in court. They're subject
[10:05.200 --> 10:12.320]  to collateral estoppel. So when the prosecutor doesn't respond to our pleadings and we come to court,
[10:13.200 --> 10:21.920]  then we move the court to restrict the prosecutor from answering the pleadings. When the court
[10:21.920 --> 10:27.520]  doesn't, then we file criminally against the judge and the prosecutor for conspiring to obstruct.
[10:28.880 --> 10:35.600]  We just keep raising the bar on them. And when that happens, then we go, then we prepare a
[10:35.600 --> 10:42.240]  written mandamus so that when a person goes to the first hearing, now they don't have to know
[10:42.240 --> 10:51.680]  any of this stuff. We will put it in the pleadings. When we file the pleadings, I have a mother
[10:51.680 --> 10:58.400]  Hubbard motion that addresses all our rights and we will add to the mother Hubbard motion a
[10:59.840 --> 11:11.280]  demand that the prosecutor be restricted from arguing any issues addressed in motions that
[11:11.280 --> 11:18.000]  were not answered by the prosecutor or show the case laws to why they can't. So the individual
[11:18.000 --> 11:23.360]  who files these documents, they don't have to know anything about law or anything about any of
[11:23.360 --> 11:29.680]  these issues. We've addressed it all in the pleadings. And we've had, I had two or three people
[11:29.680 --> 11:38.160]  tell me that we had one Tim in Newark, Texas, near where I live. So I was helping with some
[11:39.440 --> 11:43.520]  municipal court issues or some municipal ordinance issues.
[11:43.520 --> 11:52.960]  I was standing in, sitting in the court listening when the judge told him that he couldn't just
[11:52.960 --> 12:01.200]  file a motion. He had to orally argue the motion in court or the judge could not rule on the motion.
[12:03.200 --> 12:09.920]  Well, we'll see how that works for him because that is patently untrue.
[12:09.920 --> 12:18.000]  When you file a motion, it's before the court. You can participate in oral arguments or you
[12:18.000 --> 12:26.960]  can stand on your pleadings. And anyone who's a prosa, it's always good strategy to stand on your
[12:26.960 --> 12:33.360]  pleadings. Because when you get in court with a lawyer or an experienced lawyer, you know,
[12:33.360 --> 12:38.800]  this is what they do all day every day. So they're pretty good at it. You're out of your league and
[12:38.800 --> 12:45.360]  besides, the prosecutor and the judge got the snouts in the same trough. It's not a fair fight.
[12:46.880 --> 12:53.120]  So they're going to cheat. So if you attempt to do any oral arguments, they will twist and turn
[12:53.120 --> 12:59.280]  everything you say and use it against you, whether it's valid or not. So the best thing for you to
[12:59.280 --> 13:06.000]  do is tell them you stand on your pleadings. And if they insist that you argue the pleadings,
[13:06.000 --> 13:13.040]  just read the pleading into the record. And if the judge orders you to argue it orally,
[13:13.760 --> 13:19.120]  absolutely not. And then he'll threaten to rule against you, blah, blah. And you can tell them,
[13:19.120 --> 13:25.680]  well, I think you had that planned from the start. So we'll handle all this in the court of appeals.
[13:26.320 --> 13:31.440]  Because in the end, your only purpose in the trial court is to set the record for appeal.
[13:31.440 --> 13:37.600]  And if you have all the issues in the pleadings, the record is set for appeal.
[13:39.120 --> 13:46.800]  So once I get this set up, we will have several other, several new motions in there. So we'll
[13:46.800 --> 13:55.680]  probably be up to 120, 130 pages that we file on the front end while the first day.
[13:55.680 --> 14:03.120]  And those motions and pleadings are primarily filed for the purpose of
[14:04.880 --> 14:10.160]  giving the prosecutor and the judge opportunity to screw up. Because after you go to that first
[14:10.160 --> 14:15.760]  hearing, you come back, you go to our questionnaire, answer all the questions about what happened in
[14:15.760 --> 14:21.920]  the pleadings. And then we'll say, did the judge hear your pleadings? Yes, did the judge rule on
[14:21.920 --> 14:29.680]  this point in this pleading? They say no, it's a criminal complaint against the judge, a judicial
[14:29.680 --> 14:36.640]  conduct complaint against the judge, and a motion to disqualify the judge for incompetence, all
[14:36.640 --> 14:44.640]  kind of stuff. And we walk down every issue in every motion and file complain that the system
[14:44.640 --> 14:52.640]  will produce complaints against the judge for each one he failed to adjudicate. Then the next day,
[14:52.640 --> 14:58.320]  you just download them all, take them to a notary, have them notarized, file them with the court.
[14:59.680 --> 15:04.800]  So you go into this podium court and they jerk you all around. The next day you come back and
[15:04.800 --> 15:11.360]  land on them like a ton of bricks. This includes filings with the county court for with some
[15:11.360 --> 15:19.840]  mandamus, things they can't control. We'll be putting together a filing for the Texas Rangers.
[15:22.480 --> 15:28.480]  At this point, I'm inclined to file all criminal complaints against public officials with the
[15:28.480 --> 15:38.240]  Texas Rangers. They're the ones with the duty to investigate these complaints. But if it's not
[15:38.240 --> 15:50.160]  some serious major politically powerful issue concerning high-level officials,
[15:50.160 --> 15:56.960]  Texas Rangers aren't going to do squat because their protocols require them to ask permission
[15:56.960 --> 16:05.840]  from the prosecuting attorney. And each time a Ranger fails to take action on a complaint,
[16:05.840 --> 16:09.760]  we come back and file criminal charges against the Ranger and the prosecutor.
[16:11.360 --> 16:15.520]  It won't take long to get everybody up in arms, especially if we have these automated
[16:16.960 --> 16:21.760]  so that people all over the state can start using them. By the time we get ready to step
[16:21.760 --> 16:28.320]  in front of investors and they're going to ask if we have a working product, we'll
[16:29.280 --> 16:34.080]  send them to trafficticket.website and they're likely to know exactly what that is already,
[16:34.080 --> 16:39.040]  at least the lawyer will. As a matter of fact, I probably need to move it to Texas,
[16:39.680 --> 16:46.240]  to trafficticket.is because that one's in Iceland where the government can't shut it down or
[16:46.240 --> 16:53.360]  redirect the URL. Hang on, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens rule already. The call lines are open,
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[20:06.320 --> 20:16.880]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens of rule of law radio, and we've got some callers.
[20:16.880 --> 20:23.120]  We're going to Jeff and Miss Sippy. Hello, Jeff. Hey, Randy. Thanks for having me on.
[20:24.000 --> 20:30.640]  Glad to have you. What do you have for us today? Well, I've been looking into my lawsuit against
[20:30.640 --> 20:38.800]  my employer, and we spoke about that last week. We were talking about a breach of contract because
[20:38.800 --> 20:44.480]  the my employer made a false statement when they terminated me, and the false statement's
[20:44.480 --> 20:50.080]  easily proven. However, I've talked to a whole bunch of attorneys, and they're not attracted to
[20:50.080 --> 20:59.520]  the case because they say that since that state is an at-will state that there is no contract
[20:59.520 --> 21:06.160]  unless I'm part of a union. So, I even asked them, I said, so it's perfectly legal to claim
[21:06.160 --> 21:12.640]  that you stole, embezzled $10,000, and that's why we're firing you? And they said, yeah,
[21:12.640 --> 21:21.200]  it is. There's really nothing you can do. So, nonsense. Oh, that is nonsense. Okay. Yes,
[21:21.200 --> 21:29.600]  that's nonsense. If they harmed you, you had an employment contract, and they make false statements
[21:29.600 --> 21:35.120]  about you and fire you based on something false, at the very least, that's slander.
[21:36.560 --> 21:39.920]  Okay, yes. That's what I was wanting to look into is the information.
[21:42.560 --> 21:47.200]  At very least, because you can expect that to be on your employment record,
[21:47.200 --> 21:53.840]  so that if you seek another job, you might want to go to a trucking company and say, hey,
[21:53.840 --> 21:59.600]  I'm looking for a job here, but that last guy fired me claiming I didn't did all this stuff,
[21:59.600 --> 22:07.440]  but he was lying, and get them not to hire you. Now, you've been harmed by slander.
[22:09.280 --> 22:15.520]  Yes, absolutely. Defamation of character. Now, next question is, if I want to do a
[22:15.520 --> 22:19.360]  defamation of character lawsuit, do I want to go federal or state?
[22:22.640 --> 22:31.040]  You're in Mississippi. I don't know. I don't know if it's hard to say, because this is not,
[22:31.040 --> 22:36.720]  if it were a state actor, I would want to say file in the state, in the Fed. If it's a Fed actor,
[22:36.720 --> 22:43.200]  I'd say file in the state, but this is a private company. I don't see where it would make much
[22:43.200 --> 22:50.160]  difference unless it depends on the courts in the state how friendly they are to these companies.
[22:52.320 --> 23:00.240]  Okay. Well, let's pretend like it's federal then, and we were speaking last time about
[23:00.240 --> 23:09.760]  a declarative of declaratory judgment suit. Okay, hold on, hold on. It might be easier in the Fed,
[23:09.760 --> 23:13.200]  because then you could file local, and they would have to travel.
[23:15.040 --> 23:23.840]  Okay, because we are in two states. Yes. And you need to go to a trucking company in Mississippi
[23:23.840 --> 23:29.360]  and get them not to hire you. Oh, well, there's no way I could prove that.
[23:29.360 --> 23:42.400]  You don't have to. You go in and tell them that you got fired from your last job because they
[23:42.400 --> 23:48.640]  made false claims against you. And then when the company doesn't hire you, you have reasonable
[23:48.640 --> 23:53.600]  probable cause to believe that they didn't hire you because of you being fired from your last job.
[23:53.600 --> 23:58.080]  Got it. Okay. Well, I've got two companies locally that did that.
[24:00.720 --> 24:06.160]  You're good. Okay. Let them prove that's not the case.
[24:07.920 --> 24:14.160]  Okay. Do I want, we talk about a declaratory judgment suit. Do I want to start off with a
[24:14.160 --> 24:22.960]  declaratory judgment suit? I have to look at the details. If you're doing a
[24:25.280 --> 24:31.600]  defamation of character suit, declaratory judgment may not fall in on,
[24:31.600 --> 24:46.480]  well, you'd need to include this issue of insurance because now you have the federal
[24:46.480 --> 24:52.160]  government implicated in paying for your operation that your insurance should have paid for.
[24:53.040 --> 24:59.600]  And in that case, you'd probably have a better shot at a petition for declaratory judgment.
[24:59.600 --> 25:06.960]  Okay. To have defamation of character with the Medicaid insurance
[25:08.800 --> 25:14.960]  included for one damages. And that would definitely get you into the Fed. And then you look at
[25:15.760 --> 25:20.400]  the law concerning Medicare fraud.
[25:23.440 --> 25:29.360]  Okay. I've already filed a complaint with Medicaid against them and Medicaid wrote
[25:29.360 --> 25:37.040]  me back and said they weren't interested. Well, who cares? Look at the code yourself.
[25:39.120 --> 25:43.600]  And they may look at it and say, this is not big enough for us to waste any time over.
[25:45.200 --> 25:51.200]  It'll cost them more to go after it than they can recover. But you don't care about that.
[25:52.160 --> 25:56.880]  This is federal government, so you have a dog in that hunt.
[25:56.880 --> 26:07.280]  And you can pursue them in a Quatam action. You have inside information.
[26:09.840 --> 26:16.640]  And in a Quatam action, you can sue them for defrauding and you get to keep 15% of whatever
[26:16.640 --> 26:25.600]  you recover. Now, a Quatam action, do I include that in the declaratory judgment suit? Or is
[26:25.600 --> 26:33.200]  that separate? No, no, no, declaratory judgment. A declaratory judgment can be included in this suit.
[26:33.200 --> 26:37.040]  But first, since it's the government, they got lots of rules and regulations.
[26:38.160 --> 26:42.160]  Okay. And look at their rules and regulations and see if there's any rules
[26:43.360 --> 26:52.480]  concerning firing someone to avoid having to make an insurance claim that subsequently forces them
[26:52.480 --> 26:57.760]  on to Medicare where Medicare has to pay for it. This is the government. They got something on that.
[26:59.360 --> 27:07.120]  And if you can find rules on that, then use those rules to petition for declaratory judgment,
[27:07.760 --> 27:19.600]  saying in this, based on this fact set, this company, if this company fired me for the purpose
[27:19.600 --> 27:26.480]  of preventing me from making a claim against their insurance company, and then I was subsequently
[27:26.480 --> 27:31.600]  forced to go to Medicaid and forced Medicaid to pay it, it violates this rule.
[27:34.000 --> 27:37.280]  Got it. There's your petition for declaratory judgment.
[27:38.960 --> 27:44.800]  Okay, declaratory judgment suits are still kind of strange to me. So can I go over the captioning
[27:44.800 --> 27:53.040]  real quick? I think there is a, the captioning is no different, except instead of saying
[27:54.400 --> 28:02.640]  Jeff from Mississippi versus a pulled up truck truck and got me, you file in Ray Jeff from Mississippi
[28:02.640 --> 28:07.760]  in the interest of Jeff from Mississippi. The rest of it is pretty much the same.
[28:07.760 --> 28:17.440]  Okay. So the top is the United States District Court of Northern Mississippi.
[28:17.440 --> 28:22.560]  Then under that, I'm going to say N-Rays, which is E-N-R-E-I-F?
[28:23.440 --> 28:33.680]  No, E-N-R-E. Two words actually, E-N-R-E, N-R-A. And that Latin means in the interest of.
[28:33.680 --> 28:43.520]  Okay. Jeffrey L. Hill, PO Box 23803. All right. So down to Mississippi. And then where it says
[28:43.520 --> 28:49.280]  plaintiff, comma, I want to erase that. Oh, and say that again?
[28:50.720 --> 28:55.440]  Well, you know, and normally after your name, it says plaintiff, comma. So I want to get rid of that.
[28:55.440 --> 29:03.600]  Yeah. Because I'm not the plaintiff. Okay. And on the side where it says simple rights,
[29:03.600 --> 29:08.960]  do I want to put a declarative judgment suit? You know how the right side says that?
[29:09.600 --> 29:13.040]  Yeah, you keep saying declarative, declaratory.
[29:14.800 --> 29:18.000]  Okay. Declaratory. See, this is why I wanted to go over this.
[29:18.000 --> 29:25.520]  Yeah. Because I kind of don't know what I'm doing. Declaratory judgment suit.
[29:26.080 --> 29:33.920]  Yeah. Okay. And you look up the Declaratory Judgment Act. It's 28 USC 2201.
[29:36.160 --> 29:40.160]  It's a special statute. It created a special remedy.
[29:40.160 --> 29:50.080]  Okay. And most lawyers have no clue how to deal with it. And then you can look at rule 57
[29:51.440 --> 29:59.440]  for Declaratory Judgment. Okay. And then under that, it says civil numbers, which is normal.
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[33:55.600 --> 34:01.120]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Real Law Radio. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
[34:01.120 --> 34:03.120]  Real Law Radio. And we're talking to Jeff and this
[34:04.800 --> 34:09.440]  recipient, Jeff. I told Deborah on the break that you fell off the cliff,
[34:10.320 --> 34:14.880]  but she accused me of pushing you off. Okay.
[34:14.880 --> 34:25.360]  Okay. Did you look at the declaratory judgment to act while we're on the break?
[34:26.640 --> 34:31.280]  Oh, no, I did not. I'm still trying to highlight the areas that I want to delete.
[34:32.400 --> 34:41.360]  Okay. What I found in filing them that I have yet to find a single lawyer who understood what they
[34:41.360 --> 34:48.000]  are. I believe this is so new, lawyers simply don't know how to use them yet.
[34:49.760 --> 34:52.240]  And that gives you a great advantage.
[34:54.000 --> 35:00.720]  A petition for declaratory judgment in the federal court. And every time I do that,
[35:00.720 --> 35:04.800]  the lawyers on the other side come back with a Rule 12 motion to dismiss fair state of claim,
[35:04.800 --> 35:12.400]  which kind of came ahead. Now, Rule 12 is a kind of a catch-all because it goes,
[35:12.400 --> 35:23.440]  it gives the judge discretion. And when it's a matter of a prosa against a big money bags bank,
[35:23.440 --> 35:29.680]  the judge will always exercise his discretion to your detriment.
[35:29.680 --> 35:36.960]  So when a prosa follows a pleading of any kind or a suit of any kind,
[35:37.840 --> 35:42.560]  the first thing the other side does is file a Rule 12 motion to dismiss fair state of claim.
[35:44.560 --> 35:49.760]  They did that in the case before Judge McBride and Judge McBride dismissed with prejudice for
[35:49.760 --> 35:57.840]  fair state of claim. But it was a declaratory judgment suit and declaratory judgment suits
[35:57.840 --> 36:05.200]  don't have claims in them. Therefore, they're not subject to dismissal under Rule 12.
[36:07.280 --> 36:10.800]  The best part about it is it gets you directly to discovery
[36:12.400 --> 36:16.640]  and discoveries where you beat them up. And if they've lied to the commission
[36:17.840 --> 36:23.200]  and under discovery, they have to start proving up all of their accusations and not
[36:23.200 --> 36:28.240]  going to be able to do it. If they've lied, they won't be able to do it. A good chance,
[36:29.360 --> 36:35.520]  well, if you get the declaratory judgment ruling, then they're going to come to you to make you a
[36:35.520 --> 36:45.760]  deal. Oh, good. Okay. So on the right side works a simple number and then empty line where the
[36:45.760 --> 36:51.680]  clerk is supposed to fill in. Now, on the left hand side, just under that, you put Joe Blow,
[36:51.680 --> 36:57.680]  who is your opponent, and then the combat. No, no. Only you're listed. That's right.
[36:58.720 --> 37:08.400]  You're the only one listed. Now, you can name the opposing side as an interested party
[37:08.960 --> 37:15.200]  further down in the document, but they're not directly litigant here. There are no real litigants.
[37:15.200 --> 37:22.640]  This is you asking the court to render a decision on the rights of the parties,
[37:23.760 --> 37:30.400]  on your rights under law. The opponent, the opponent, and where it says verses and
[37:30.400 --> 37:40.400]  defendant, I want to erase all that. Yeah. In Ray, Jeff and Miss Sippy. And then in the body of the
[37:40.400 --> 37:53.360]  text, you name this other person, this entity for improperly discharging you in order to deny you
[37:53.360 --> 37:59.360]  access to insurance forcing you to go. So you name them in there for what they did and ask the court
[37:59.360 --> 38:09.440]  to rule that what they did amounted to a defrauding Medicare. And you ask the court to rule that if
[38:09.440 --> 38:16.160]  they did what I said they did, and presuming everything I said was true, then they did rule
[38:16.160 --> 38:23.280]  that this would amount to defrauding. And then the other side can file a response because you give
[38:23.280 --> 38:29.360]  them notice to all interested parties. You might give it to the insurance company as well.
[38:31.120 --> 38:36.480]  I'm not sure if they'd be an interested party in this suit or not. I don't think they would.
[38:36.480 --> 38:39.840]  Just a trucking company, because the insurance company didn't have anything to do with this.
[38:39.840 --> 38:47.120]  They, you have no knowledge that they even knew about it. So. Okay. In the large bold,
[38:47.120 --> 38:51.680]  when you first come into a title where it says like civil complaint or something,
[38:52.320 --> 38:59.920]  large bold underlined, I have declaratory judgment suit. No, petition for declaratory judgment.
[38:59.920 --> 39:06.320]  Oh, it's not, it's not exactly the suit. You're not suing anybody.
[39:07.680 --> 39:14.320]  You're just asking the court to declare rights of parties. There are no claims in there. So
[39:15.520 --> 39:21.120]  I haven't looked up the exact definition of suit, but it certainly implies a claim against another
[39:21.120 --> 39:27.200]  party. Don't put suit in there, put petition to declaratory judgment. That's what it's called.
[39:27.200 --> 39:31.600]  That's what the name of it is. And the sentence under that is the claimant,
[39:31.600 --> 39:37.040]  Jeffrey L. Hill, moves the court to declare the rights of the parties in support of such
[39:38.160 --> 39:46.000]  petition, a verse as follows. Yeah, go look up Rule 57. Rule 57 goes to
[39:47.040 --> 39:51.440]  goes to declaratory judgment. The rules governing the procedure for obtaining a
[39:51.440 --> 39:59.040]  declaratory judgment under 28 USC 2201 rules 38 and 39 govern and demand for
[39:59.920 --> 40:05.520]  governing a demand for jury trial. The existence of another adequate remedy does not preclude
[40:05.520 --> 40:10.800]  a declaratory judgment that is otherwise appropriate. The court may order a speedy hearing
[40:10.800 --> 40:17.040]  of a declaratory judgment action. And then if you look this up online, like I've got
[40:17.040 --> 40:24.400]  Cornell Law School, I've got a lot of annotations under there. And look at these annotations
[40:24.400 --> 40:32.000]  because these are court cases. One of the first ones is California. Let's see.
[40:33.360 --> 40:40.800]  Ashwater versus Tennessee Valley Authority. Pull that up. Go find that case and pull it up.
[40:40.800 --> 40:48.720]  And it'll show you how to style it. I never style one myself. I always plagiarize somebody
[40:48.720 --> 40:57.920]  else's and hope they're not doing it wrong. But look up Ashwater v. Tennessee Valley Authority
[40:59.520 --> 41:09.600]  and you should find it petition. Is that that? This is Ashwater. Oh, Ashwander v.
[41:09.600 --> 41:18.640]  Tennessee Valley Authority 297 US 288. Just do a Google search for that and pull up the case.
[41:18.640 --> 41:23.040]  There are a lot of sites out there that will give you the actual case. And you'll see the format,
[41:23.040 --> 41:29.120]  how to structure the petition for declaratory judgment. Oh, okay, because I could not find
[41:29.120 --> 41:35.600]  one. Well, then great. So we don't have to read it off the air event. Right. You just pull it up.
[41:35.600 --> 41:42.800]  You know, if it comes up a PDF, do you have Acrobat? Yeah.
[41:44.160 --> 41:49.520]  If you're not not not reader, but the full Acrobat, if you don't have it,
[41:50.720 --> 41:57.360]  there's some online tools that will convert an Acrobat or PDF file to Word. If not, just send
[41:57.360 --> 42:01.920]  it to me and I'll run it through Acrobat, turn it into a Word document, send it back to you,
[42:01.920 --> 42:06.800]  and then you can edit it, take their stuff out, put your stuff in and keep the structure.
[42:08.240 --> 42:15.600]  Okay. Actually, I've got some declaratory judgment suits I can send you.
[42:16.960 --> 42:24.640]  Oh, do you? To send me a email asking for a declaratory judgment suit and I'll send you some.
[42:24.640 --> 42:29.440]  I'll send you the one that McBride dismissed with prejudice.
[42:29.440 --> 42:33.680]  Okay. And I'll style mine after that.
[42:34.880 --> 42:40.960]  Yeah, you just take, you know, take my stuff out, put your stuff in all the sections
[42:41.760 --> 42:46.320]  that are required or there are all the basic case law is there.
[42:47.920 --> 42:50.880]  Since it's federal, it doesn't make any difference what state it is.
[42:52.960 --> 42:57.840]  Okay. Okay. Thank you. I'll let you go and I'll shoot you an email.
[42:57.840 --> 43:04.240]  Okay. Thank you. Okay. Now we're going to John in Texas.
[43:05.120 --> 43:10.960]  John in Texas. John in New York. Okay. Got him unmuted. Okay. John in New York.
[43:11.920 --> 43:13.520]  How you doing, Randy? Thank you.
[43:14.400 --> 43:18.720]  Doing well. What do you have for us today?
[43:18.720 --> 43:27.760]  I got two things and I'll be real quick. Joe determined the following.
[43:30.560 --> 43:33.600]  The defendant's wrong. That's Joe Esquivel?
[43:34.720 --> 43:39.360]  Yep. Yep. I delight in pronouncing his name wrong just to annoy him.
[43:40.400 --> 43:44.800]  I know. Is that the music?
[43:44.800 --> 43:53.440]  Oh, it probably is. Okay. Hang on. My clock's not working too good.
[43:53.440 --> 43:57.840]  Hang on. Randy Caldwell Radio. Randy Caldwell and David Stevens. We'll be right back.
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[47:59.120 --> 48:06.080]  Okay we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio and we're talking to John in
[48:06.080 --> 48:15.120]  New York. Okay go ahead John. All right. Hi Randy thanks. Joe Squibble has determined the
[48:15.120 --> 48:22.800]  following. The defendant's loan is an FHA loan. HSBC Mortgage Corporation is the original lender.
[48:23.520 --> 48:29.040]  HSBC Mortgage Corporation sold the loan to Government National Mortgage Association
[48:29.040 --> 48:39.280]  shortly after signing with the homeowner in 2006. So therefore HSBC Mortgage Corporation
[48:39.280 --> 48:46.560]  no longer owned the loan at the time HSBC Mortgage Corporation foreclosed. Now is that true
[48:46.560 --> 48:54.640]  if they sold it then they didn't own it? Well that can be true but it doesn't help you much
[48:54.640 --> 49:05.040]  because HSBC retained the servicing rights and as the servicer they're the agent for the holder
[49:06.400 --> 49:12.560]  and they can foreclose for the holder. Okay the loan is a Ginny May loan.
[49:13.360 --> 49:19.840]  It is in a 2006 trust and a business loan. Wait a minute hold on. Okay go ahead.
[49:19.840 --> 49:29.680]  Okay it's held but okay what does Ginny May loan mean? If it was issued by HSBC it's an HSBC loan.
[49:32.720 --> 49:38.080]  So how does Ginny May come into the picture? All right let me continue with the rest of it.
[49:38.080 --> 49:44.640]  Now maybe maybe then we'll explain it. Okay. I'm not real good with legal. I'm better and much
[49:44.640 --> 49:52.720]  better with medical. Okay here we go. HSBC Mortgage Corporation no longer owned the loan at the time
[49:52.720 --> 49:59.360]  HSBC Mortgage Corporation foreclosed. I'm just going to write what I was told. Here we go.
[49:59.360 --> 50:05.840]  I mean I'm going to tell you what I was told. The loan is a Ginny May loan. It's in a 2006 trust
[50:05.840 --> 50:12.640]  and an exact trust search must be done but you must send out for it and it costs money to do that.
[50:12.640 --> 50:20.320]  Is that true? Don't know that's not my area. Okay then here's the rest of it.
[50:20.320 --> 50:26.560]  As given to me Ginny May is not named to the note nor are they in the public record.
[50:27.200 --> 50:32.960]  While it's claimed that Ginny May is the owner slash investor there's no proof.
[50:33.840 --> 50:40.240]  So there's an incomplete standing. Okay hold on there. Now we got something.
[50:40.240 --> 50:46.320]  I can't quote the New York statute off the top of my head but I've read it.
[50:47.840 --> 50:58.320]  The one that reflects Texas property code 13.001. Every state that has a registrar of deeds
[50:59.040 --> 51:05.520]  has this statute. Otherwise there'd be no point in having a registrar of deeds. What it says is
[51:05.520 --> 51:13.200]  any claim against real property not properly acknowledged or proven and filed in the court
[51:13.200 --> 51:21.440]  record in the public record is void as to the holder. So what George has said there is he has
[51:21.440 --> 51:30.240]  evidence that Ginny May is the holder. However Ginny May did not file its claim in the public record
[51:30.240 --> 51:38.800]  and therefore its claim is void. Now HSBC is listed in the record as the holder
[51:39.920 --> 51:50.240]  and HSBC is foreclosing. However HSBC's foreclosure is thereby fraudulent because
[51:51.120 --> 51:56.960]  they are not the holder. They're the agent for the holder and the holder has not registered his
[51:56.960 --> 52:06.640]  claim. So this is a fraud. Is there a way to know whether or not HSBC claimed to be
[52:07.440 --> 52:13.440]  either the holder or the what you just said? It doesn't matter what they've claimed if you if
[52:14.080 --> 52:23.840]  you can show evidence that the loan has been negotiated into a into the hands of a different
[52:23.840 --> 52:34.240]  holder. In this case into a trust then you have evidence that HSBC is not the holder and that's
[52:34.240 --> 52:44.320]  all you need. Okay you have evidence that HSBC is not the holder and the evidence you have who
[52:44.320 --> 52:51.040]  shows who the holder actually is is not filed in the record as the holder. Therefore their claims
[52:51.040 --> 53:00.960]  are void. Declareatory judgment at this point? Yes. If you can file conclusive proof or
[53:02.560 --> 53:09.040]  evidence to indicate least prima facie evidence to indicate that HSBC is not the holder
[53:09.920 --> 53:16.240]  but merely an alleged agent for the holder and the holder has no proper claim.
[53:16.240 --> 53:25.920]  If HSBC actually was the holder then they would have a claim because the
[53:26.880 --> 53:36.160]  mortgage gives the claim to HSBC. But since HSBC is not the holder their claim is worthless.
[53:38.320 --> 53:42.160]  So when they foreclosed they couldn't do it? That's what it was supposed to do.
[53:42.160 --> 53:49.840]  You can claim the foreclosure was fraudulent. Right now is this going to help even after
[53:49.840 --> 53:57.680]  it's been adjudicated? Not sure what that meant has this claim been adjudicated?
[53:58.880 --> 54:09.280]  Oh yeah it's been foreclosed and the house has been sold. No no has the claim that the true holder
[54:09.280 --> 54:14.640]  would have not filed its claim in the public record been heard by the courts?
[54:15.520 --> 54:23.680]  Oh I don't think so. Okay then it hasn't been adjudicated. The fact that there was a foreclosure
[54:23.680 --> 54:31.440]  is irrelevant. In this case this would go to subject matter jurisdiction. It would go to the
[54:31.440 --> 54:37.520]  legal capacity of the claimant to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[54:37.520 --> 54:42.640]  And a subject matter jurisdiction challenge can be made no matter how remote in history.
[54:43.920 --> 54:51.680]  Okay. What the other side would say was already a mortgage claim went to the courts
[54:52.480 --> 54:58.000]  and the fact that they did not bring the claim in the litigation they waived it.
[54:59.280 --> 55:02.880]  No you cannot waive subject matter jurisdiction.
[55:02.880 --> 55:12.240]  And that's a fact. That sounds like an issue you can bring. That's an adjudicatable issue.
[55:13.920 --> 55:21.440]  Okay then you can ask for a restraining order against the purchaser of the property
[55:22.400 --> 55:30.160]  restraining that purchaser from petitioning the justice court or whichever court handles evictions
[55:30.160 --> 55:37.760]  restraining. You can't restrain the court but they can restrain the party
[55:39.280 --> 55:45.520]  and restrain the party from petitioning the court. So you get them stopped.
[55:48.160 --> 55:53.760]  Okay there's more and I should tell you it's just a little bit more. Okay. Okay.
[55:54.960 --> 55:59.360]  Thank you for going through this with me. I appreciate it very much. I will return the
[55:59.360 --> 56:06.480]  favor. The party that was foreclosing there was the women. Again Ginny May is not named in the note.
[56:06.480 --> 56:12.000]  Ginny May is not named in the public record. Yes this is the Ginny May loan because it's an FHA.
[56:13.520 --> 56:19.200]  The party I'm just quoting what Joe told me. The party that was foreclosing HSBC mortgage
[56:19.200 --> 56:26.000]  corporation is the original lender but they're pretending it was never sold. The original
[56:26.000 --> 56:32.720]  lender HSBC mortgage corporation sold it and if they sold it it was no longer the original lenders
[56:32.720 --> 56:39.520]  to foreclose. Is that right? That sounds like exactly the right argument.
[56:40.720 --> 56:47.840]  Okay yet they did so and the court went right along with it as if HSBC mortgage corporation
[56:47.840 --> 56:53.520]  still owned it. Now here's there's just two assignments that I guess he didn't like.
[56:53.520 --> 56:58.880]  I can't remember now. I'm just going to read them to you. I can't remember what he said about
[56:58.880 --> 57:07.040]  these assignments. Assignment number one July 29, 2009, MERS to HSBC mortgage corporation
[57:07.040 --> 57:12.560]  who is the lender. MERS is assigning it to the same party they're nominee for.
[57:13.280 --> 57:18.560]  HSBC mortgage corporation and then Joe goes they screwed up.
[57:18.560 --> 57:25.440]  Assignment number two. Okay let me explain what that what happened there.
[57:26.400 --> 57:33.440]  Okay go ahead. When MERS assigns the mortgage to the current assignee
[57:35.120 --> 57:44.960]  that generally means that in the background the mortgage the note was negotiated to a different
[57:44.960 --> 57:55.280]  party and that different party names HSBC as their servicer. So MERS files an assignment
[57:56.400 --> 58:02.160]  from the old servicer to the new servicer. They happen to be the same one.
[58:05.360 --> 58:12.160]  Does that make sense? Well it's a little over my head. I don't really get it.
[58:12.160 --> 58:19.040]  Okay hold on we're about to go to break and I'll address that a little bit more on the other side
[58:19.040 --> 58:24.880]  because this is something that's a little bit confusing. When the lender sells the mortgage
[58:26.080 --> 58:30.320]  they still look like they're the lender but they're actually only an agent for the lender now
[58:31.280 --> 58:35.760]  and that kind of confuses people. Hang on we'll pick this up on the other side.
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[01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:25.920]  accommodations for places of business today in history. In recent news, tensions in Syria seem
[01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.160]  to reach new levels after a chemical attack on civilians in the city of Douma which left
[01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:34.480]  40 dead and many injured, an attack which is being blamed on the democratically elected president
[01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:40.400]  of Syria Bashar al-Assad by the United States and on Israel by Russia, either accusatory narrative
[01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.680]  without any verified evidence as of yet. President Trump tweeted today Wednesday that if, quote,
[01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:50.320]  Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria, get ready Russia because they
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[01:01:55.040 --> 01:01:59.920]  with a gas-killing animal who kills his people and enjoys it. Many in the West including President
[01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:05.120]  Trump have been quick to conclude that this chemical attack must have been conducted by Assad
[01:02:05.120 --> 01:02:10.480]  and his forces. Syria and Russia, on the other hand, have given approval since yesterday for the
[01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.560]  organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons to investigate the sign of the chemical
[01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:19.520]  slaughter. Assad has been successful in maintaining rule and support during Syria's seven-year civil
[01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:24.880]  war, a civil war that is being fought by the government of Syria and anti-Assad Syrian rebels
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[01:02:34.240 --> 01:02:39.600]  minister Spokeswoman Maria Zakoba posted on Facebook that smart missiles should be fired at
[01:02:39.600 --> 01:02:44.880]  terrorists and not at a legitimate government, which has been fighting terrorists. Or is this a
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[01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:46.480]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, Rula Law Radio, and we're talking to
[01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:53.840]  this Rula Radio on this, the 14th day of June, 2018, and we're talking to John in New York.
[01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:02.240]  Okay, John. All you need is some kind of plausible claim to get them into court and hold them into
[01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:09.360]  court until they get old. And this is a plausible claim. And this is kind of how it works. When
[01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:19.280]  you see an assignment, people think that means that this company sold a note to this company.
[01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:25.120]  No, I don't have anything to do with the note. Assignments only have to do with the servicer.
[01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:34.320]  A servicer is a company that contracts with the holder to collect the mortgage and service the
[01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:46.800]  loan form. The mortgage company writes the loan, then they negotiate the note to a third party,
[01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:53.760]  and then they retain the servicing rights. And they're standing looking like the lender,
[01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.480]  they're the holder, but they're not the holder anymore. They're just a contractor to the holder.
[01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:07.360]  And then the third party company, they negotiate the note from themselves to somebody else. Well,
[01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:14.800]  the guy getting it, he's got to enter into a contract with the servicer. And part of the
[01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:24.800]  protocols, when a new party takes over, they assign their own servicer. So they ask MERS
[01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:35.280]  to assign the servicing rights to this particular party. And if it's a different company than the
[01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:40.800]  original lender or the current servicer, then you get an assignment from one entity to another entity.
[01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:49.760]  But if the receiver or the purchaser of the note wants to keep the same servicer,
[01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:58.400]  then the MERS assigns the mortgage, they assign from the old servicer to the new servicer,
[01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:04.320]  and they're both the same name. That's how you get those doubles in there. Does that make sense?
[01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:11.280]  I think it does. I'm going to have to go over that later. It's very confusing. You're right.
[01:07:13.120 --> 01:07:18.240]  Okay. Once you get that down, then it really begins to make more sense. It's easier to keep this
[01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:26.080]  straight. That's a tough hurdle to understand. Assignment number two, he said, was July 22,
[01:07:26.080 --> 01:07:35.760]  2013, four years later, almost to the day. MERS to HSBC Bank as a corrective corporate
[01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:41.520]  assignment of mortgage. Then he said, remember, this was a Ginny May loan.
[01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:48.160]  But Ginny May is not named in the public record, and it's not named in the note. So again,
[01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:59.440]  it wasn't done correctly. It's an incomplete scanning. The fourth closure case has already
[01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:07.040]  been adjudicated. The house has been sold. HSBC Mortgage Corporation foreclosed on a house,
[01:08:07.040 --> 01:08:15.920]  and I'm saying this now, on a house they no longer own. So if that's the case,
[01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:25.440]  Okay. Not the correct argument. Okay. HSBC foreclosed on a property in the name of
[01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:35.920]  a holder who did not have a valid claim. Oh, I got it. Okay. I think.
[01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:40.880]  Yeah. Right now they're the servicers. They're not the lender anymore. They're an agent.
[01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:51.040]  And the problem comes with the agent, the principle for whom they are the agent. The
[01:08:51.040 --> 01:09:00.960]  principle has no proper claim. Let's see if I get this right. So HSBC foreclosed claiming to be
[01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:08.320]  the holder of the note, the owner. No, they no, claim to be an agent for the holder.
[01:09:09.120 --> 01:09:17.440]  An agent for the holder. And they no longer were? The holder for whom they were the agent,
[01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:25.680]  or who they alleged to be the agent. HSBC alleged we are the agent for the holder. So the question
[01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:34.480]  becomes, who is the holder? Well, the holder is Ginny Mae. In order for Ginny Mae to have
[01:09:34.480 --> 01:09:43.200]  the legal capacity to engage HSBC to foreclose, they would have to have a valid claim filed
[01:09:43.200 --> 01:09:49.760]  in the public record, and they don't. Oh, I got it. I see you're coming around
[01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:56.160]  this different ways of explaining it. Yeah, I got it. The real, the real issue is that requirement
[01:09:56.160 --> 01:10:02.720]  that you, you filed your claim in the public record. The city of the district attorney in
[01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:10.480]  Dallas County sued MERS over this issue. And they sued MERS for not paying the filing fees.
[01:10:11.120 --> 01:10:18.480]  And MERS made the correct argument. They said, we have no statutory duty to file
[01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:24.720]  these notices with the court. They were absolutely right. But these lawyers were really full of
[01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:31.280]  themselves and arrogant. And they went on to say, but if we don't file these, we could have an
[01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:37.760]  incomplete chain of title. And they were, I agreed with that too. And this is exactly what has
[01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:47.600]  happened here. When they, when Ginny Mae purchased the note, they did not file their claim
[01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:54.240]  in the public record. And therefore they do not have a complete chain of title. And whether
[01:10:54.240 --> 01:11:02.560]  they're the whole actual holder or not, we don't care. Not the issue. The issue is, is they do not
[01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:10.320]  have a perfected claim and therefore lack the legal capacity to invoke subject matter jurisdiction
[01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:19.520]  in the court. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And Joe went on to say, I asked him,
[01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:24.560]  is it definitely a wrongful foreclosure? And he said yes. Yes. And he's right,
[01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:30.480]  but if you don't make your argument right, they'll sting you. And we have talked to Joe about this
[01:11:31.360 --> 01:11:39.040]  long time ago. He said, the real place to go after them is the requirement to file in the
[01:11:39.040 --> 01:11:45.920]  public record. That's their weakness. It's in the mortgage that they're required to give notice of
[01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:51.520]  any change. It's in the real estate settlement procedures act that there were, I think it's
[01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:58.960]  the last statute in the real estate settlement procedures act requires them to give the borrower
[01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:03.680]  notice of any change in beneficial interest within 30 days of the change.
[01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:11.600]  So you go back to the mortgage. The mortgage is a grant of a privilege.
[01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:23.200]  In a mortgage state, you grant the privilege of a claim against the property as security
[01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:32.000]  for a loan that you received. You grant that security, that claim against the property,
[01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:37.520]  on the condition that they follow, that they comply with the covenants of this contract.
[01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:44.800]  So the first place to go is that contract. You sue for breach of that contract.
[01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:53.680]  And here, this one's even better because part of the contract requires that they make all
[01:12:54.720 --> 01:13:00.880]  filings and notices required by law. And one of them is that they file any change
[01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:07.680]  in the beneficial interest with the county. I'm sorry, they file their claim against the property
[01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:18.000]  with the county recorders office. In 1635, the settlers at Pilgrim, at Plymouth Rock,
[01:13:19.200 --> 01:13:26.400]  started a registry so they could register claims to properties. That's how important it was,
[01:13:26.400 --> 01:13:33.040]  one of the first things they did. And it's been in law ever since until MERS come along
[01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:37.680]  to try to negate all that. You need to be able to go down to the public record and look in
[01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:43.120]  the public record and determine who has a claim against a piece of property. Because you might
[01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:49.200]  want to buy this property. You don't want any hidden claims to come back later. And so they pass
[01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:56.640]  these laws that said, if you have a claim, you have to file it in the record so it can be found.
[01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:06.800]  If you don't, it's void. So Ginny May is saying, I rightfully own the note to this property. We say,
[01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:13.200]  yeah, you do. So what? Well, I can foreclose. No, you can't foreclose because you didn't give public
[01:14:13.200 --> 01:14:19.440]  notice of that claim. And because I can go look in the record and I can't find your notice of that
[01:14:19.440 --> 01:14:25.120]  claim, your claim is void as to the holder. So you can't bring that claim. That's their argument
[01:14:25.120 --> 01:14:35.040]  to break. And the state itself has an interest in that. Because they have an interest in a valid
[01:14:35.040 --> 01:14:42.000]  title system. If you can't determine if there's a claim against your property or not, who's going
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:50.000]  to buy property in this state? They'd be insane. So all investment in the state would grind or halt.
[01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:56.160]  That's right. They want to ask a question that's really hard for them to answer.
[01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.240]  If they answer it wrong, then they create a precedent that all the scoundrels can use.
[01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:07.760]  But I'm not going to story them sticking to it.
[01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:12.160]  You know, what do you mean? Explain the last three sentences. He lost me.
[01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:22.080]  Well, when you want to bring a claim, when a court of appeals renders a judgment,
[01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:29.680]  that judgment becomes law. So you want to ask a question that the court of appeals,
[01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:35.600]  when they look at it, if they rule against you, they will create a situation that will disrupt
[01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:46.160]  the corpus juris. If you claim that Ginny May lacked the legal capacity to bring this claim
[01:15:46.160 --> 01:15:51.680]  to the court because they violated this law, if the court of appeals say, oh, no, they don't,
[01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:58.800]  they have just negated that law. Now, everybody else can use that ruling. And that will cause
[01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:06.800]  them serious trouble. So they don't want to render a ruling that disrupts the corpus juris. That's
[01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:18.640]  why I go to this place. Be the hardest ruling for them to support. All right. Now, if you,
[01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:23.200]  if there was a lawyer present on this call and there's not, I'm sorry, there isn't,
[01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:28.720]  there isn't, what would you tell the lawyer? Because all the lawyers I ever spoke with,
[01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:34.720]  except for a couple, understood, did not understand anything. What would you tell them?
[01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:43.280]  I would tell them, guys, this is the easiest one to go after. This is contract. Go after the
[01:16:43.280 --> 01:16:51.840]  contract issues and standing law. I'm about to go to break. So we'll pick this up on the other side.
[01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:56.480]  I do need to go on the whole graph to call us. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:48.880]  on our four-hour show. Now, we're going to go to Laura in Texas. Hello, Laura.
[01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:55.440]  Hello, Randy. Can you hear me? I can hear you. What do you have for us today?
[01:19:56.480 --> 01:20:03.680]  Well, you had wanted me to call in and go over with you, families going through legal issues
[01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:12.320]  and the stress involved. Yes. This has been, for Tim and Laura, this has been a real struggle.
[01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:21.760]  And it wasn't so much for me other than it stressed me out seeing them go through this kind
[01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:31.040]  of misery. But I've seen this a number of times. And I've seen it enough times to know that if you
[01:20:31.040 --> 01:20:38.640]  hang in there, that there will come a point to where this worm will turn on them. And it just
[01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:48.320]  turned. These guys, they were more vicious and vindictive than usual. And they got the judge
[01:20:48.320 --> 01:20:55.840]  to act with them. And, you know, I kept saying to them, yeah, I know this seems awful. They're
[01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:01.440]  doing really crappy stuff to you, but never interfere with somebody when they're screwing up.
[01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:07.760]  So you come back to haunt them later. But now that's easy for me to say, but I'm not the one
[01:21:08.480 --> 01:21:14.160]  that they're coming after. So it was really stressful for Laura and more so than Tim.
[01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:21.360]  Well, Tim, Tim, Tim used to call me and unload all these stress on me.
[01:21:21.360 --> 01:21:27.840]  But, you know, just kind of tell them what it was like.
[01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:34.160]  Well, you know, when this all first started, it was supposed to be something pretty simple.
[01:21:34.160 --> 01:21:40.400]  And then we realized they're not going to listen. And we would look at one another and go,
[01:21:40.400 --> 01:21:47.520]  we're really going to have to do this. Are we going to do this? Can we do this? And I remember
[01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:53.360]  when you came in the first time and you sat at our table and you got your notebook out and you
[01:21:53.360 --> 01:21:58.720]  all, and Tim started talking to you about it. And I'm thinking, why is Randy this man I never
[01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:06.080]  met at my table? And you began, you went with us for that first court bit. And then
[01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:11.600]  when this ball got rolling, we realized they were planning to roll it over us.
[01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:19.760]  And we were either going to become engaged in it or we were going to give up. And it really does get
[01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:26.960]  to a point where you can't give up because nobody wanted to touch this case. No attorney wanted to
[01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:33.440]  be helpful. In fact, I think they were all running as fast as they could to get away from it.
[01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:43.360]  But when you first came in and you told us about how to do this and we started,
[01:22:44.480 --> 01:22:49.600]  I never dreamed that a year later, well, April the 4th was the year,
[01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:57.040]  I never dreamed that it would go this far. But I believe they never dreamed we would go this far.
[01:22:57.040 --> 01:23:05.120]  And I think that is exactly right. It's been a crazy ride
[01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:14.160]  because it has affected our home, our children. A vacation. What vacation? You don't get vacation.
[01:23:16.160 --> 01:23:19.360]  You know, just a simple thing of you're going to take your kids somewhere. Well, no,
[01:23:19.360 --> 01:23:22.000]  you're not. They filed a document against you today at five o'clock.
[01:23:23.040 --> 01:23:26.240]  You're going to stop everything you're doing. You're going to figure out what has to happen
[01:23:26.240 --> 01:23:34.800]  to this document. And that has been our world for so long now that you really do begin to
[01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:41.360]  believe it's never going to end. Just seriously, like this, where does this stop?
[01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:49.360]  Okay, for those of you who haven't been following this case,
[01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:56.880]  we've been after everything they did. We filed documents to preserve the record.
[01:23:58.080 --> 01:24:06.000]  And one of the last documents we filed took us what, two weeks to get it in a format that
[01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:11.360]  we could e-file it. It was part of it. It was so large and so complex, but it was a motion for
[01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:21.520]  the, declared it for a writ of mandamus. We're asking the Court of Appeals to issue an order
[01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:26.640]  to the trial court to dismiss the case for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.
[01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:35.120]  And now Tim looked up the research on it and indicated that the likelihood of us winning
[01:24:35.120 --> 01:24:42.240]  this was somewhere between little and none. And we said, yeah, I know, but this matter is set
[01:24:42.240 --> 01:24:49.680]  in the record. It's a matter of exercising all your potential remedies. But because these guys
[01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:59.600]  were so vile and vindictive and acted in such outrageous violation of law, even the Court of
[01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:07.200]  Appeals seemed unable to put up with it because the Court of Appeals dropped a sky on them.
[01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:19.360]  And tomorrow is the last day. They ordered the judge to file an answer to our petition
[01:25:20.400 --> 01:25:26.800]  and gave him what, 10 days? Approximately. I've lost count of
[01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:32.560]  exactly how much time he had for response, but I knew that it gave us time to breathe.
[01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:39.680]  This is about a 30-page document we filed. And he's got 10 days to respond. Good luck,
[01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:49.120]  Bubba. I predicted that he wouldn't respond at all. The best thing he could do is not
[01:25:49.120 --> 01:25:56.960]  respond because there's no way he can justify this behavior. He just didn't expect it to get here. And
[01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:03.040]  he expected that if we filed anything with the higher courts, they would just ignore it because
[01:26:03.040 --> 01:26:12.480]  we're prosaic litigants. Right. But for whatever reason, the Court of Appeals picked it up. And
[01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:20.000]  actually, when I wrote that thing, I wrote it for the clerk because they give it to a law clerk and
[01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:29.040]  the law clerk reads it. And I wrote it specifically for the law clerk. And maybe we just got lucky
[01:26:29.040 --> 01:26:35.520]  and got the right law clerk, but they looked at this and said, this is insane. No, maybe I'm
[01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:41.440]  going to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you what I believe happened because the only thing
[01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:51.200]  that has kept Tim and I sane during this is we've depended on the Lord. Yes, we've depended on
[01:26:51.200 --> 01:26:58.960]  Randy and we've probably bugged you absolutely to death, but... No comments. Yeah, I got you.
[01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:05.840]  Over and over that the Lord has touched our heart, our minds, and given us peace in the
[01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:12.480]  middle of something we couldn't even breathe in. And when we left, you know, we went to do the
[01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:20.400]  recusal of the judge and we all knew that Judge Evans was not a very nice man and we kind of thought
[01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:26.800]  it was going to be worse than it actually was. He did not understand that he was buying us time
[01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:34.000]  when he did not make a decision that day. And that's out of his character to wait. And so we left
[01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:42.320]  the court that afternoon on the 29th and we filed the mandamus that afternoon. I think it was around
[01:27:42.320 --> 01:27:48.240]  340 that it was finally accepted. And if you recall, that was filed three times and denied,
[01:27:49.120 --> 01:27:54.080]  sent it back for corrections and changes and all those things. But as we left the court,
[01:27:54.960 --> 01:28:02.400]  Tim and I prayed, Lord, the document that we're fixing a file, don't let it be said that we wrote
[01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:09.760]  it good enough, that we said the right things. But we want you to get the glory and the praise
[01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:14.880]  for this thing being accepted because he's been our stay in this.
[01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:25.920]  And when I was reading that to you, the letter of acceptance from the appellate court,
[01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:37.200]  I couldn't quit laughing and crying. And it was like a release had popped and I could breathe
[01:28:38.240 --> 01:28:43.200]  for a minute. And I felt like a weight had been lifting off my chest.
[01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:51.440]  But I believe when Tim looked up, the likelihood of that being taken by a pro se,
[01:28:51.440 --> 01:28:59.040]  even being the filer of the thing, and they took it, that is a pure miracle.
[01:29:00.480 --> 01:29:06.480]  Pure miracle. God did that. I love you, Randy, but you didn't write it good enough.
[01:29:07.280 --> 01:29:12.960]  And we didn't say anything good enough. God did that for Tim and I. And I do want him to get the
[01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:16.240]  glory for that. He did a pretty good job too, though.
[01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:24.240]  Okay. Well, it got through. And I did want other people who've been through this to hear you,
[01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:29.280]  that when they get into these situations, they are incredibly stressful.
[01:29:30.320 --> 01:29:36.800]  And really hard on our kids even because they hear all of this. This is not something high in
[01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:41.360]  your bedroom and make happen. This is happening in the kitchen, you know, where your children are
[01:29:41.360 --> 01:29:45.040]  sitting at the computer playing with their friends or where they're running through as they play.
[01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:50.960]  Okay. They know we're stressed out. They know that we are under pressure, that we have no control
[01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.600]  over and that other people have control over. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. Hang on.
[01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:57.760]  About to go to break. We'll be right back. Great.
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[01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:08.800]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens Rural L Radio. And I was talking to Deb on the
[01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:16.800]  break, and she was really touched by your, what's the word, your,
[01:34:18.400 --> 01:34:25.440]  moment by your statement, she was really touched by it. Okay, Laura, how do you feel now about
[01:34:25.440 --> 01:34:42.400]  pursuing these guys? Are you there? Okay, looks like we lost Laura. Okay, now we're going to go to
[01:34:42.400 --> 01:34:51.680]  Randy in Texas. Hello, Randy. Hello there, sir. How are you doing? I'm doing good. What do you have
[01:34:51.680 --> 01:35:05.680]  for us today? Well, I'm calling and, you know, hoping to get some help or guidance in regards to
[01:35:07.360 --> 01:35:15.360]  some unfortunate events that occurred and to me lately. Okay, okay. We don't have time for
[01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:30.080]  preface. What happened? I was legally arrested and imprisoned falsely by HPV. No, no, no, no,
[01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:34.480]  hold on. Don't give us all your opinions about it. What happened first?
[01:35:34.480 --> 01:35:47.360]  This happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. Hold on. What I'm doing is teaching here.
[01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:56.080]  First thing you do when you bring an issue is you state the facts. No arguments, no opinions.
[01:35:56.080 --> 01:36:00.080]  This happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. Then you go back and say,
[01:36:00.080 --> 01:36:09.360]  this and this happened because of this. Now you state your opinion. But the listener has the facts
[01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:17.600]  in their mind so they can follow along with you. If you start out by telling us that they did this
[01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:23.040]  wrongful thing, they did that wrongful thing, we have no context from which to gauge that.
[01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:27.280]  So we don't really have a place to put it. When you get done with all that,
[01:36:27.280 --> 01:36:33.360]  we're not going to have any better understanding than when you started. So we need what in
[01:36:33.360 --> 01:36:42.480]  psychology is called referential index. So was this a traffic ticket, a DUI? What kind of case was it?
[01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:52.320]  Well, it's a parking site situation and interfering with police officer
[01:36:52.320 --> 01:37:02.240]  part. Okay. What was the nature of the allegation of interfering? Did you physically touch the officer?
[01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:04.320]  No, sir.
[01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:10.800]  Did you stand in the officer's path?
[01:37:14.480 --> 01:37:20.800]  No, sir. I didn't stand in the officer's. Did the alleged interference have anything to do
[01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:25.840]  with what you... Was it based on what you said to the officer?
[01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:39.600]  In part, I believe. But he asked me for ID and things like that.
[01:37:41.120 --> 01:37:42.400]  Okay. He asked you for what?
[01:37:42.400 --> 01:37:51.360]  He asked me for ID. I was hanging out with a friend and I came and
[01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:58.880]  realized the officer was trying to have my van towed with some tow truck drivers
[01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:07.200]  and I went to find out what was going on and he had made up his mind to have my van towed.
[01:38:07.200 --> 01:38:15.600]  Then someone called and reported it suspicious and in the process of trying...
[01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:18.080]  Okay. Was your van illegally parked?
[01:38:19.440 --> 01:38:21.360]  No, sir. It wasn't.
[01:38:23.120 --> 01:38:27.520]  Oh, so he just decided to have it towed even though it was parked legally. Was the
[01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:32.640]  vehicle itself plated and registered?
[01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:36.800]  Yes. Everything was up to date.
[01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:43.840]  Oh. Okay. Did you file felony theft charges against the officer?
[01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:52.240]  Not yet, sir. I'm still dealing with allegations in court. I've been going to court since March
[01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:56.320]  once a month. HBD has not yet provided...
[01:38:56.320 --> 01:39:06.720]  Okay. He charged you with interfering. How did you interfere? Is it alleged that you interfered?
[01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:10.880]  Yes. Basically verbally, you know...
[01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:19.520]  No, no, no. Basically means you're going to paraphrase. What did the officer claim that you did
[01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:22.560]  that amounted to interfering with the public servant?
[01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:29.120]  Okay. So when I... I was posted... When I noticed they were trying... My van was trying
[01:39:29.120 --> 01:39:33.280]  to be... Get towed because I noticed a need for pop-up.
[01:39:33.280 --> 01:39:38.000]  Okay. We got that part. What did the officer say you did?
[01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:47.280]  He said I... He claimed I interfered and... He was trying to arrest me.
[01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:48.280]  Okay.
[01:39:48.280 --> 01:39:49.280]  Okay.
[01:39:49.280 --> 01:39:50.280]  Okay.
[01:39:50.280 --> 01:39:52.960]  You're being evasive.
[01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:57.800]  What did he say you did that amounted to interference?
[01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:02.240]  Have you read the officer's statement against you?
[01:40:02.240 --> 01:40:04.240]  Yes, sir.
[01:40:04.240 --> 01:40:06.600]  What did it say?
[01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:10.560]  He said I was kicking.
[01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:21.920]  He said, I'll pull my arm away when he tried to arrest me or put me in handcuffs.
[01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:22.920]  Okay.
[01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:23.920]  Hold on.
[01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:28.880]  You keep jumping to the end.
[01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:36.480]  What was the reason that he tried to arrest you?
[01:40:36.480 --> 01:40:40.480]  Because I would not provide ID with that voice.
[01:40:40.480 --> 01:40:43.480]  Why are we having to go at this backwards?
[01:40:43.480 --> 01:40:44.480]  Okay.
[01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:51.800]  This is hard to work with if you're just telling me little tiny bits and pieces here and there.
[01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:53.480]  I have no idea what happened.
[01:40:53.480 --> 01:40:58.560]  Did you come out there and see him and did you run and jerk the tow driver out of the
[01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.040]  tow truck to get your car loose from him?
[01:41:02.040 --> 01:41:03.040]  No, sir.
[01:41:03.040 --> 01:41:04.600]  So we're not approaching him.
[01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:05.600]  Okay.
[01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:06.600]  Tell us what you did.
[01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:11.880]  Okay, when I approached the scene, we found out what was going on.
[01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:17.840]  I noticed the tow truck driver with the arms inside Mazan's window, which I had left open.
[01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:21.440]  And I asked them from a safe distance, how can I help you?
[01:41:21.440 --> 01:41:25.200]  And they referred me to the officer parked on the other side of Mazan.
[01:41:25.200 --> 01:41:31.320]  So when I approached the officer to find out why Mazan was about to be towed, the first
[01:41:31.320 --> 01:41:32.720]  thing he did was assault me.
[01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:37.480]  He pushed me violently on my chest and I staggered back a few feet.
[01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:43.040]  And he began by asking me how long Mazan had been parked.
[01:41:43.040 --> 01:41:45.200]  Mazan had broken down.
[01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:51.240]  I had gone through like four different mechanics working on it, unfortunately.
[01:41:51.240 --> 01:41:52.240]  Okay.
[01:41:52.240 --> 01:41:53.240]  Okay.
[01:41:53.240 --> 01:41:54.240]  How long had it been parked?
[01:41:54.240 --> 01:41:58.440]  It had been parked for a while.
[01:41:58.440 --> 01:42:00.360]  What does a while mean?
[01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:01.360]  Hours?
[01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:02.360]  Days?
[01:42:02.360 --> 01:42:03.360]  Hours.
[01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:05.360]  For about three weeks.
[01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:06.360]  Three weeks.
[01:42:06.360 --> 01:42:07.360]  Okay.
[01:42:07.360 --> 01:42:10.920]  So somebody claimed that Van was abandoned.
[01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:11.920]  Okay.
[01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:16.280]  Was this parked on public property or private property?
[01:42:16.280 --> 01:42:22.680]  It was on the dead end street, sir.
[01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:23.680]  Okay.
[01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:32.240]  I'm not sure of the parking, but as long as it was registered there, I'm sure there
[01:42:32.240 --> 01:42:37.840]  are some laws concerning what are perceived to be abandoned vehicles.
[01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:38.840]  Yeah.
[01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:42.000]  Have you looked those up?
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.040]  No, sir.
[01:42:45.040 --> 01:42:51.840]  Did the officer include in his complaint an assertion that he had reasonable probable
[01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:58.480]  cause to believe the vehicle was abandoned?
[01:42:58.480 --> 01:43:02.680]  He had no reasonable suspicion or no probable cause, because he was on the one-
[01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:03.680]  No.
[01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:04.680]  No, no.
[01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:09.280]  What did his statement address that?
[01:43:09.280 --> 01:43:10.920]  No.
[01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.320]  His statement didn't address that.
[01:43:13.320 --> 01:43:20.000]  Did his statement say why he was towing the vehicle?
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.160]  It just said...
[01:43:23.160 --> 01:43:24.160]  Okay.
[01:43:24.160 --> 01:43:25.160]  Wait a minute.
[01:43:25.160 --> 01:43:26.160]  We can't do this.
[01:43:26.160 --> 01:43:28.520]  We can't take two days to get all this out.
[01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:33.120]  You need to write me a timeline.
[01:43:33.120 --> 01:43:37.080]  From the day you parked the vehicle there, this happened and this happened.
[01:43:37.080 --> 01:43:38.080]  No argument.
[01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:39.080]  No explanation.
[01:43:39.080 --> 01:43:41.080]  Put in everything that happened.
[01:43:41.080 --> 01:43:42.080]  Okay, sir.
[01:43:42.080 --> 01:43:46.080]  That's the only way I can work with this.
[01:43:46.080 --> 01:43:47.080]  Okay.
[01:43:47.080 --> 01:43:48.080]  I'm going to go to break it.
[01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:49.080]  I'm going to have to move on.
[01:43:49.080 --> 01:43:50.960]  We're not making any progress.
[01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.760]  Once I have a timeline, then we can work with this better.
[01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:56.760]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stephens, for RealVlog Radio.
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[01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:23.880]  Oh, man, you're in jail, you got drugs in there? Oh, man, I'm broke, man.
[01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:31.880]  Some things in this world I will never understand. Some things I realize fully.
[01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:40.880]  Somebody's on a bully, some bully's mad. Somebody's on a bully, some bully.
[01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:47.880]  There's one with the room at the top of the hill. I hear through the grapevine in his lawn.
[01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:52.880]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio, and we're talking.
[01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:56.880]  We're going back to Laura. We kind of lost you last time, Laura. We couldn't hear you.
[01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.880]  Yeah, I could hear you clearly, but I guess you could not hear me.
[01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:05.880]  We couldn't hear you. Do you have something else you want to speak to tonight?
[01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:12.880]  Yes, I was going to tell you. We talked about when it turns, you know, things kind of get fun.
[01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:21.880]  So here is the fun part. The one thing that stuck out to me as kind of like, oh, yes, something that happened
[01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:26.880]  and you could feel it was, you remember they had determined on Tuesday that we had to go to court,
[01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:31.880]  they had paid the guy to go to service. They had e-filed service.
[01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:40.880]  And they had said that we had to have court on June 11th and that, you know, it was kind of like be there or be square, kind of a deal.
[01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:50.880]  And then that was in the morning of Tuesday and then Tuesday afternoon is when we were notified that the appellate court had accepted our, you know, filing.
[01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:55.880]  They had made determinations that the judge has to answer by tomorrow at five, you know, and all these things.
[01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:59.880]  And then it stayed the trial court.
[01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:10.880]  So I thought, I'm just going to call the trial court and verify they canceled the 11th because they've been known to hold court when we didn't show up because we were not notified.
[01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:23.880]  That was the primary claim in the writ of mandamus. And that was the issue that stood out to Judge Evans that they had a hearing without noticing us.
[01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:25.880]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:29.880]  So I called and all I said, and normally I have to give them a case number.
[01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:34.880]  I have to leave, you know, they go, give me the case number and you have to go through the whole process.
[01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:39.880]  All I said was this was Laura Pixler checking to see if court's going to be held on a certain day.
[01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:47.880]  Is that what you can do for me to tell me that? And she pauses and she goes, is this in your husband's case?
[01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:53.880]  Yes, ma'am. She goes, oh, yeah, that was canceled.
[01:48:53.880 --> 01:49:05.880]  And it hit me as quite funny that this lowly clerk who has always asked for the information knew who we were, even who I was.
[01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:09.880]  I think everybody down there knows who you are at this point.
[01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:17.880]  This is one of the nice things that you take these guys on, they throw everything they can at you and you stay with them.
[01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:26.880]  When you get to this other side, all of a sudden you become a pariah. Nobody wants anything to do with you.
[01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:33.880]  They all want to find another place to be and it gets easier from here.
[01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:36.880]  I thought that was pretty funny. That felt good.
[01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:47.880]  Italy, start feeling even better because if the judge doesn't respond tomorrow and the court throws this thing out for lack of subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:55.880]  the lawyers and all of the people you made claims against, they got a problem.
[01:49:55.880 --> 01:50:02.880]  Because now that light at the end of the tunnel turns into a train coming right at them.
[01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:13.880]  Right. I was curious. You and I had this conversation that say he does not answer or he doesn't answer to their satisfaction and this gets thrown out.
[01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:23.880]  And Brock Smith had dismissed our claim, our lawsuit, that we had filed against the...
[01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:35.880]  It was the declaratory judgment against the city and then it was a lawsuit against attorneys and the administrative panel were named individually on that.
[01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:40.880]  And he dismissed that pretty quickly out of hand.
[01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:47.880]  So if all this gets thrown out, does that lawsuit become live again?
[01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:58.880]  What happens is we made a claim against them.
[01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:04.880]  The pictures were sued. We filed a counter claim against them.
[01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:15.880]  And the counter claim said that the plaintiff lacked the legal capacity to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:22.880]  And by acting in this capacity, they harmed the pixelers any amount of 300 grand.
[01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:29.880]  And the judge just threw that out and ruled everything in favor of the lawyers on the other side.
[01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:41.880]  Now, if the court of appeals rules that the plaintiff did not have legal standing to invoke subject matter jurisdiction of the court,
[01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:48.880]  all of their claims get thrown out, our claims can become active again.
[01:51:48.880 --> 01:52:01.880]  And our claims become a resjudicata and their subject to collateral estoppel.
[01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:08.880]  They cannot argue against these claims because they're already adjudicated by the court of appeals
[01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:12.880]  and this trial court can't touch that adjudication.
[01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:17.880]  So that's a fact as a matter of law.
[01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:21.880]  Now our claims are essentially adjudicated as a matter of law.
[01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:33.880]  The only thing left is they can argue that the pixelers lack subject and lack authority to sue these people in the capacity we sued them in.
[01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:36.880]  But I was real careful to write that.
[01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:41.880]  The claims against them were against them in their personal capacities.
[01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:50.880]  We claim that they acted outside the scope of their authority and therefore were on their own.
[01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:58.880]  So what makes the claim stick is not what you can prove, but what you claim.
[01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:03.880]  Our claim is they acted in their personal capacity.
[01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:07.880]  The lawyers argued that they couldn't be sued.
[01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:09.880]  That'll never stand up.
[01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:11.880]  Of course they can be sued.
[01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:13.880]  They're not prosecutors.
[01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:15.880]  Prosecutors are on what's got immunity.
[01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:17.880]  Lawyers don't.
[01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:27.880]  So if the judge rules and laws favor, then the only thing left to determine is how much money they get.
[01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:46.880]  Well, and that was my other thought was you had mentioned then we would request a jury trial and that's all they would be determining is do we get to 300,000 or is there more penalties on top of that for all the things that we went through in this process.
[01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:47.880]  Exactly.
[01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:49.880]  And there's more.
[01:53:49.880 --> 01:53:57.880]  We asked the court of appeals to file sanctions against the lawyers on the other side.
[01:53:57.880 --> 01:54:09.880]  In the amount they were trying to extort from the pixelers and depending on how ticked off the court is they may have applied those sanctions.
[01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:11.880]  And that was 80 grand.
[01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:13.880]  Right.
[01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:19.880]  And that would have nothing to do with a subsequent suit.
[01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:31.880]  So then we come back with this 300 grand claim and the jury can assess whatever amount they want to.
[01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:33.880]  You asked for 300 grand.
[01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:40.880]  Now if it was a judge, he would be limited to what you asked for, but jury's not.
[01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:41.880]  Right.
[01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:46.880]  A jury can assess anything they want to.
[01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:48.880]  And these guys are going to know that.
[01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:53.880]  I bet we don't have near the arrogance that you had in the past.
[01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:59.880]  Are there repercussions for this judge whether he answers this or not with the appellate court?
[01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:05.880]  Oh, this will be a major black eye for this judge.
[01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:11.880]  Possibly depends on what the read of the court of appeals.
[01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:14.880]  They could remove him from the bench.
[01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:16.880]  And the court would have been on there in this period.
[01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:20.880]  We included criminal complaints against the judge.
[01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:23.880]  And those criminal complaints were filed with this court.
[01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:24.880]  They could remove it.
[01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:29.880]  They have the power of removing him from the bench for misconduct.
[01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:35.880]  And the judge on the bench just immediately gets into something that gets him removed.
[01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:38.880]  This will not look good for him at all.
[01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:43.880]  And it'll look good for all these other judges around the state.
[01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:47.880]  They say, don't be like this clown.
[01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:55.880]  So just already I'm sure every judge, every district judge in the state already probably knows about this.
[01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:56.880]  How would they do that?
[01:55:56.880 --> 01:55:58.880]  How would they know?
[01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:07.880]  They have a forum where the judges get together on this forum once a month and they talk about the kind of things that's happened.
[01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:15.880]  Something this profound, you can be pretty sure everybody knows about it.
[01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:23.880]  I was going to say something to what Laura said earlier about how we've depended on the Lord where we've given him the glory.
[01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:39.880]  It's my opinion from extensive research in the Bible that God always prepares certain people for certain kinds of things like Moses, for example.
[01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:45.880]  I'm not saying you're Moses or anything, Randy, but you have death.
[01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:48.880]  Laura, will you smack him?
[01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:51.880]  If he gets close to me, I'll dump him.
[01:56:51.880 --> 01:57:03.880]  I mean, you have dedicated hours upon hours upon hours in research and you've put this stuff together.
[01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:09.880]  And when attorneys see you, they recognize you.
[01:57:09.880 --> 01:57:12.880]  And they're like, uh-oh, it's that guy.
[01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.880]  But your stuff sticks.
[01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:17.880]  It does.
[01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:24.880]  You're the guy that has convinced me that it's not all a scam.
[01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:27.880]  Law does protect the people.
[01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:37.880]  It's just that the people are not given an opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law because they can't understand the stuff.
[01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:43.880]  And judges don't like it because they want another attorney, like you said.
[01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:50.880]  It's not in the trough. I hate to say it like that, but I'm starting to sound like you now.
[01:57:50.880 --> 01:58:00.880]  But it's just, you know, it's so apparent the more we've been in this and the worse this judge, this district judge, is treated as.
[01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:06.880]  At first he was, you know, nice to us, but now he's not nice to us at all.
[01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:11.880]  I think the disqualified recusal paper ended all of that.
[01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:14.880]  It was the look on his face as he read it.
[01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:18.880]  I think he felt very disrespected.
[01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:20.880]  And he should have.
[01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:22.880]  We do appreciate it, Randy.
[01:58:22.880 --> 01:58:29.880]  We have to know that everything that you have done, and we're not going to celebrate until Monday.
[01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:39.880]  I called today at 445 and the lady, Mary, she knew me and she said, no, nothing has been sent in as a reply from the district judge yet.
[01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:42.880]  And I said, thank you, Mary. I'll be calling tomorrow.
[01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:48.880]  Okay, hang on. We're out of time. Randy Kelton, Denver Seasons, Rule Law Radio. We'll be back tomorrow night.
[01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:49.880]  Good night.
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