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[00:42.680 --> 00:48.320] Today in history, the year 1961, the first animal safely returned from space after completing
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[00:59.800 --> 01:04.000] In recent news, Tehrad Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran, was found guilty today of attempting
[01:04.000 --> 01:05.720] to join the Islamic State.
[01:05.720 --> 01:10.240] After a week-long trial at a Brooklyn federal court, a jury found Tehrad guilty of attempting
[01:10.240 --> 01:15.360] to provide material support to ISIS and guilty of obstruction for destroying four e-storage
[01:15.360 --> 01:17.160] drives after his detention in Turkey.
[01:17.160 --> 01:19.240] Pugh is said to be sentenced in September.
[01:19.240 --> 01:23.400] Pugh's defense lawyer is arguing that all he did was express repugnant views about the
[01:23.400 --> 01:27.680] Islamic State on Facebook and watched dozens of the group's recruitment videos, and that
[01:27.680 --> 01:31.560] he was only traveling to Turkey to find work, not to become a jihadist.
[01:31.560 --> 01:36.000] However, prosecutors are presenting a letter he apparently drafted to his Egyptian wife,
[01:36.000 --> 01:39.960] which was found on his laptop in which he vowed to fight for Islam.
[01:39.960 --> 01:44.800] When detained in Istanbul, he apparently had a black face mask, a map depicting Islamic
[01:44.800 --> 01:50.440] State's stronghold in Syria, and a chart of the border crossings between Turkey and Syria.
[01:50.440 --> 01:56.080] Pugh served as an avionics specialist in the Air Force from 1986 to 1990, and later worked
[01:56.080 --> 02:05.400] as an army contractor in Iraq from 2009 to 2010.
[02:05.400 --> 02:09.320] Toyota recently showed off a new device that could dramatically assist the visually impaired
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[02:11.120 --> 02:15.200] Called Project Blade an informational device to bridge the gap between a cane or a guide
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[02:19.640 --> 02:23.120] the visually impaired community for the past three years, and though the details of the
[02:23.120 --> 02:27.120] project were released this week, no official timeline has been set for the release.
[02:27.120 --> 02:31.140] The automaker plans incorporating mapping, object identification, and facial mapping
[02:31.140 --> 02:33.720] technologies into Blade in the future.
[02:33.720 --> 02:38.680] Doug Moore, manager of partner robotics at Toyota, told ABC that Toyota is thinking about
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[04:04.160 --> 04:11.240] Okay, Randy Kelton, Radio here with Ron Avery, and we are going to go to Mark and Texas,
[04:11.240 --> 04:12.240] Mark.
[04:12.240 --> 04:18.920] Did we hurt your feet when we trumped you for Mark and Texas?
[04:18.920 --> 04:22.800] No, are we back to me?
[04:22.800 --> 04:25.360] I know how you Wisconsin guys are.
[04:25.360 --> 04:28.920] Ah, we're back to you then.
[04:28.920 --> 04:36.640] Okay now, Ron, Mark is, he has really been working these people over, and he understands
[04:36.640 --> 04:45.120] how to take a bigger company and take them to the wall, he's really worked these guys
[04:45.120 --> 04:46.120] over.
[04:46.120 --> 04:53.600] You kind of, what's your opinion on what you think Ron should do in this case, do you have
[04:53.600 --> 04:58.600] a recommendation?
[04:58.600 --> 05:00.920] Well from a social media standpoint?
[05:00.920 --> 05:04.320] Yes, we were talking about that on the air.
[05:04.320 --> 05:15.880] I was talking about the politics side, the hard copy media are losing incredible ground
[05:15.880 --> 05:21.120] to the internet, and it looks like the writing is on the wall, that eventually they don't
[05:21.120 --> 05:28.480] just pretty well be swallowed by the internet, so they're going to be sensitive to the internet.
[05:28.480 --> 05:33.680] From a social media standpoint, what kinds of influences do you think you'd be able to
[05:33.680 --> 05:34.680] bring?
[05:34.680 --> 05:41.680] Well, the first thing is he'd need to have the case, as much of the case as he can put
[05:41.680 --> 05:43.560] online, online.
[05:43.560 --> 05:50.880] Now notably the American Bar Association standard code and the Wisconsin rules, both of them
[05:50.880 --> 05:57.600] have things saying, as an attorney, you can't reach out to the media and discuss things
[05:57.600 --> 05:58.600] in the media.
[05:58.600 --> 06:07.120] However, I have not found on a state level in Wisconsin anything that bars the self-represented
[06:07.120 --> 06:08.960] from doing exactly that.
[06:08.960 --> 06:14.440] Wait a minute, Ron, you're not self-represented are you?
[06:14.440 --> 06:22.600] Yeah, I'm operating pro se and I have already everything online, every word, the record
[06:22.600 --> 06:28.520] is, I mean the public hearing is not online at the moment, I'm trying to get that.
[06:28.520 --> 06:35.560] But every file document is online, it's already on there now and I have videos of kind of
[06:35.560 --> 06:44.640] an explanation of the case and all that kind of, yeah I put all that online, it's at postwtc.com
[06:44.640 --> 06:49.960] and then it has a link to Avery Seuss, the Houston Chronicle, and it's everything in
[06:49.960 --> 06:50.960] there.
[06:50.960 --> 06:58.080] Okay, that's post, B-O-S-T, W-C, W-T-C like World Trade Center.
[06:58.080 --> 07:04.600] Postworldswtc.com, okay, we promote shameless self-promotion.
[07:04.600 --> 07:13.560] Yeah, wonderful, then a call out to all the listeners that they should entertain going
[07:13.560 --> 07:21.040] to that website, picking something and posting that to wherever they read, so if you can
[07:21.040 --> 07:30.400] get it started on Reddit or someone who has followers on Twitter or Facebook, keeping
[07:30.400 --> 07:37.000] in mind that Twitter is around 20% of the U.S. population, Facebook is used by over
[07:37.000 --> 07:40.840] 75% of the U.S. population.
[07:40.840 --> 07:49.080] And if they can find someone where it can catch fire, you could get some nice publicity
[07:49.080 --> 07:53.840] and people creating the public issue.
[07:53.840 --> 08:05.200] Let's see, beyond that, pictures, the people like pictures and messaging more than just
[08:05.200 --> 08:12.400] straight up words, although I'm not sure how you're going to create a picture to be
[08:12.400 --> 08:23.720] worth a thousand words to cover a defamation type thing, that's outside of my creative
[08:23.720 --> 08:24.720] ability.
[08:24.720 --> 08:40.600] Let's see, if you can find and the more you can put a frame around the issue of it being
[08:40.600 --> 08:49.000] a large corporation beating up on a little guy, that's good.
[08:49.000 --> 08:58.040] Another possibility is, if you want to explore, is that our whole legal system is based on
[08:58.040 --> 09:03.520] the Magna Carta, and the Magna Carta was a document that was calling for an open demand
[09:03.520 --> 09:11.760] for a revolution, so perhaps tying the fact that the whole legal system's basis is a document
[09:11.760 --> 09:16.600] for revolution, that you may be able to get some play elsewhere.
[09:16.600 --> 09:25.080] Yeah, I think, quite frankly, I'll be honest with you, operating by yourself with very
[09:25.080 --> 09:29.720] little means, I don't even have an attorney, I don't have any time to do anything more
[09:29.720 --> 09:35.000] than simply handle the case itself, and of course, when it comes to trial time, the closer
[09:35.000 --> 09:39.160] we get to trial is when I'll have to hire a lawyer.
[09:39.160 --> 09:45.800] You can't handle a case like this in a trial as big as it is by yourself.
[09:45.800 --> 09:51.080] Even if I was an attorney, I couldn't handle it by myself, I would get somebody else to
[09:51.080 --> 09:53.960] work with me.
[09:53.960 --> 09:59.800] So even though that sounds good, and if I had means, and I was a corporation myself
[09:59.800 --> 10:06.800] that had employees and things, I could maybe do some of that, but all of that kind of stuff
[10:06.800 --> 10:13.040] is out of my range, I will not even attempt that, but I can put all of this other stuff,
[10:13.040 --> 10:20.920] I can put all the material online, and people can go to it and see what it's about, and
[10:20.920 --> 10:26.880] I have had the alternative media has been helpful, Mark Anderson, that's really who
[10:26.880 --> 10:32.160] that was, and he doesn't mind me using this name, I'm sure, he's already written a couple
[10:32.160 --> 10:36.240] articles on it in American Free Press, and they're available, I have links to that on
[10:36.240 --> 10:43.360] my website, and so it's not like it doesn't get any coverage at all, it's getting pretty
[10:43.360 --> 10:50.280] good coverage anyway, at least in the alternative media, but it could be bigger, it could be
[10:50.280 --> 10:56.760] made bigger, but even as I've consulted with a lawyer on these cases, and he said, don't
[10:56.760 --> 11:01.600] even have anybody in the courtroom, and I said, during this hearing and all that stuff,
[11:01.600 --> 11:07.420] go in there by yourself, let those big shots come in, and you just go in there by yourself
[11:07.420 --> 11:12.280] and argue it, and I wasn't going to run off some of my friends that were here, I'm certainly
[11:12.280 --> 11:18.040] not going to run off the guys from the alternative media, and so I went, no, I want these guys
[11:18.040 --> 11:25.800] around, and I want to go to lunch with them afterwards and talk about it, so I did have
[11:25.800 --> 11:32.440] some friends in the courtroom, but they weren't flamboyant and sticking out or anything, so
[11:32.440 --> 11:37.320] that was a good thing, and I think I actually did pretty good at that I at least got the
[11:37.320 --> 11:45.840] judge to not make a ruling immediately, and so it's, you know, I don't know really where
[11:45.840 --> 11:54.400] all everything's going, but, and I just think it's worthy legally to pursue.
[11:54.400 --> 11:57.760] I don't think they ought to be doing this, and as I've said before, I didn't really
[11:57.760 --> 11:58.760] have an alternative.
[11:58.760 --> 12:05.440] Once I found out I was called, basically called a terrorist, and I needed to be waterboarded
[12:05.440 --> 12:11.400] in a gitmo, and that I was a secessionist when I've been speaking against secession
[12:11.400 --> 12:19.960] for probably 15 years, and I'm probably the only guy I know that ever speaks of dissolution
[12:19.960 --> 12:25.800] and has a full, developed a full theory of dissolution and shown it and written about
[12:25.800 --> 12:33.840] it, that I am, I am totally offended, it's like anybody that knows me at all knows that
[12:33.840 --> 12:41.360] I am an advocate of the observation of dissolution, and so it's going against my whole
[12:41.360 --> 12:47.320] professional look at history.
[12:47.320 --> 12:59.120] Well, from, from my experience in dealing with courts per se, I kind of agree with not
[12:59.120 --> 13:08.360] having a bunch of people in the gallery who may have agendas different than yours, and
[13:08.360 --> 13:14.320] I tell people when they write pleadings, the only way the judge should be able to tell
[13:14.320 --> 13:21.080] that this was not written by a lawyer is there's no bar card number under your signature.
[13:21.080 --> 13:30.680] So there's none of this man on the land, this stock patriot lingo that people tend to use
[13:30.680 --> 13:31.680] in documents.
[13:31.680 --> 13:33.360] Yeah, I don't do any of that.
[13:33.360 --> 13:41.800] I do it straight up just like any other attorney would do, and that's likely to get you a lot
[13:41.800 --> 13:49.360] farther, especially when you're a non-attorney, you come in there with a similar, if not higher
[13:49.360 --> 13:53.760] level of expertise.
[13:53.760 --> 14:01.200] The other thing my attorney told me to do as a pro se, he said, don't try to out-lawyer
[14:01.200 --> 14:03.720] the lawyers.
[14:03.720 --> 14:09.280] You don't want to act like you're a smart ass, and all of that makes sense, it's just
[14:09.280 --> 14:10.280] common sense.
[14:10.280 --> 14:17.640] Why would a non-lawyer go in there and try to look like a lawyer?
[14:17.640 --> 14:21.280] You have to remember the judge is a human being.
[14:21.280 --> 14:27.240] Yeah, and I wouldn't like an architect that is not an architect trying to be an architect
[14:27.240 --> 14:34.120] and acting like one all over everything, that's kind of where you're being an idiot.
[14:34.120 --> 14:41.680] So I just try to represent myself straightforward, straight as I can, and try to make sense out
[14:41.680 --> 14:42.680] of it.
[14:42.680 --> 14:48.280] Anybody that would try to make sense out of something, and use the law like anybody, use
[14:48.280 --> 14:54.960] the case law, use the statute, and I can complain about some of it, and I've done that.
[14:54.960 --> 15:00.680] But I didn't ask the judge to find something that wasn't there, and all that kind of stuff.
[15:00.680 --> 15:03.960] Good, and that'll get you a lot farther.
[15:03.960 --> 15:04.960] I think so.
[15:04.960 --> 15:14.560] During this show, I get frustrated often with people that have unreasonable expectations,
[15:14.560 --> 15:17.600] that go into the court without a suit and tie.
[15:17.600 --> 15:20.160] What I shouldn't have to dress up.
[15:20.160 --> 15:26.440] Well, probably in a perfect world, you wouldn't have to dress up.
[15:26.440 --> 15:32.440] However, if this were a perfect world, there's a good chance you and I wouldn't be, and I
[15:32.440 --> 15:33.440] know I wouldn't.
[15:33.440 --> 15:35.880] Well, I'll tell you the way I looked at that.
[15:35.880 --> 15:43.600] I look at the court, no matter what, as it really should be, or at least should be, reflection
[15:43.600 --> 15:45.680] of the people of Texas.
[15:45.680 --> 15:50.520] The purpose of the court is for the protection of the people of Texas.
[15:50.520 --> 15:54.400] I happen to be a people of the Texas.
[15:54.400 --> 15:58.840] I looked at the judge, not as an individual person.
[15:58.840 --> 16:06.400] I looked at him as the people of Texas, to look at my material.
[16:06.400 --> 16:16.040] I approached him, he was sitting there as the people of Texas, and I talked to it, and
[16:16.040 --> 16:25.200] I called him your honor, because people of Texas, you're their honor.
[16:25.200 --> 16:26.200] I think I was correct.
[16:26.200 --> 16:29.080] I think that's what this is.
[16:29.080 --> 16:33.240] Whether it's effective or not, or whether it's corrupt or not, it's still what it's
[16:33.240 --> 16:34.240] supposed to be.
[16:34.240 --> 16:38.840] Well, I treat it as what it's supposed to be.
[16:38.840 --> 16:45.160] That's the best thing we can have, is good, knowledgeable, well-read, crocheted litigants.
[16:45.160 --> 16:47.960] It'll gain traction for all of us.
[16:47.960 --> 16:49.880] Hang on, we're about to go to break.
[16:49.880 --> 17:00.320] Randy Kelton rules our radio, I call it number 512-646-1984, and we'll be right back.
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[19:09.360 --> 19:22.480] Well, don't let nothing get to you, only the father can deliver you, don't let bad-minded
[19:22.480 --> 19:45.480] people get to you, only the father can deliver you, don't let bad-minded people get to you,
[19:45.480 --> 20:00.760] don't let bad-minded people get to you, don't let bad-minded people get to you, don't
[20:00.760 --> 20:03.760] Because he's the only one who could answer, ain't he?
[20:03.760 --> 20:06.760] Ain't no business what the king man say, ain't he?
[20:06.760 --> 20:09.760] Man can you know if he's bleeding, ain't he?
[20:09.760 --> 20:12.760] Trust him behind me, friend
[20:12.760 --> 20:15.760] Tell him your problems, ain't he?
[20:15.760 --> 20:18.760] I'll read his name once again
[20:18.760 --> 20:21.760] Let me tell you how he would be
[20:21.760 --> 20:24.760] Trust him behind me, friend
[20:24.760 --> 20:27.760] Tell him your problems, ain't he?
[20:27.760 --> 20:29.760] I'll read his name once again
[20:29.760 --> 20:32.760] Let me tell you how he would be
[20:32.760 --> 20:35.760] Trust him behind me, friend
[20:35.760 --> 20:38.760] Tell him your problems, ain't he?
[20:38.760 --> 20:41.760] I'll read his name once again
[20:41.760 --> 21:09.760] Pray to him and he'll deliver
[21:11.760 --> 21:14.760] So apparently it's still there
[21:14.760 --> 21:17.760] So we may have
[21:17.760 --> 21:20.760] We can't take calls from now
[21:20.760 --> 21:23.760] So I apologize for that
[21:23.760 --> 21:27.760] Especially for you folks that have been on for quite a while
[21:27.760 --> 21:30.760] This isn't an unusual problem
[21:30.760 --> 21:33.760] I've never encountered this before
[21:33.760 --> 21:36.760] And all the time we've done it
[21:36.760 --> 21:39.760] And I do apologize to Ron for this problem
[21:39.760 --> 21:43.760] Ron, I would very much like to have you back on
[21:43.760 --> 21:46.760] We can do that, sure
[21:46.760 --> 21:49.760] Let's do this again
[21:49.760 --> 21:52.760] And when we do this again
[21:52.760 --> 21:54.760] Sounds fun
[21:54.760 --> 21:57.760] Since you're very well known
[21:57.760 --> 22:00.760] And you have a big following
[22:00.760 --> 22:03.760] Let's try to develop a presentation of the case
[22:03.760 --> 22:06.760] That will make a good archive
[22:06.760 --> 22:09.760] Where we can pull pieces out of it
[22:09.760 --> 22:12.760] So that we can put it in other places
[22:12.760 --> 22:15.760] Social media is becoming very powerful
[22:15.760 --> 22:17.760] Yes it is, for sure
[22:17.760 --> 22:19.760] And if we can get other people
[22:19.760 --> 22:21.760] Especially people in the movement
[22:21.760 --> 22:23.760] Yes, yes
[22:23.760 --> 22:28.760] I'm labeled as an enemy of the state
[22:28.760 --> 22:32.760] By the American Poverty Law Center
[22:32.760 --> 22:34.760] Yes, yes
[22:34.760 --> 22:39.760] So this is something that's important to me
[22:39.760 --> 22:42.760] And we have a lot of people out there
[22:42.760 --> 22:45.760] Who are fighting the system
[22:45.760 --> 22:48.760] Or potentially considering fighting the system
[22:48.760 --> 22:52.760] They're going to find this interesting
[22:52.760 --> 22:55.760] And a considerable threat
[22:55.760 --> 22:58.760] We get a lot of people calling in
[22:58.760 --> 23:02.760] They're really, really frustrated with the press
[23:02.760 --> 23:05.760] Right, and they should be
[23:05.760 --> 23:07.760] They're paying attention at all
[23:07.760 --> 23:09.760] They should be really upset with this stuff
[23:09.760 --> 23:12.760] Yes, and we want to
[23:12.760 --> 23:15.760] When I get up in the morning
[23:15.760 --> 23:17.760] Turn on the news
[23:17.760 --> 23:20.760] And I hear these people talking
[23:20.760 --> 23:24.760] I want to believe the words that they're using
[23:24.760 --> 23:28.760] Actually have some truth in them
[23:28.760 --> 23:30.760] And most everybody does
[23:30.760 --> 23:33.760] And mostly our community
[23:33.760 --> 23:38.760] The legal reform community has come to understand
[23:38.760 --> 23:40.760] That for the most part
[23:40.760 --> 23:43.760] That all of that is smoke and mirrors
[23:43.760 --> 23:48.760] You know, I've had experience with news reports
[23:48.760 --> 23:54.760] Concerning situations that I had personal knowledge of
[23:54.760 --> 24:00.760] And not one of the stories got it right
[24:00.760 --> 24:04.760] Most of them were not anywhere near close
[24:04.760 --> 24:08.760] And this mostly happened when I was much younger
[24:08.760 --> 24:12.760] Before I come to understand the way the world works
[24:12.760 --> 24:16.760] And I was mortified
[24:16.760 --> 24:20.760] That I knew about this story
[24:20.760 --> 24:25.760] And all the reporter had to do was come and gather the facts
[24:25.760 --> 24:28.760] And regurgitate the facts
[24:28.760 --> 24:30.760] Well, they came and gathered the facts
[24:30.760 --> 24:34.760] And they just regurgitated nonsense
[24:34.760 --> 24:37.760] It wasn't important one way or another
[24:37.760 --> 24:42.760] They just got everything wrong
[24:42.760 --> 24:45.760] And that was so frustrating
[24:45.760 --> 24:48.760] So now I see stories that
[24:48.760 --> 24:51.760] I don't know anything about
[24:51.760 --> 24:54.760] And I'm thinking
[24:54.760 --> 24:56.760] Is any of this stuff true?
[24:56.760 --> 25:01.760] Or do they just make up stuff and stick it on the air?
[25:01.760 --> 25:03.760] Yep, fabricated
[25:03.760 --> 25:05.760] They just fabricated
[25:05.760 --> 25:09.760] And not fabricated from some specific purpose
[25:09.760 --> 25:11.760] Just for stupid reasons
[25:11.760 --> 25:14.760] Because they're too lazy to line out the details
[25:14.760 --> 25:16.760] But in your case
[25:16.760 --> 25:18.760] Yeah, that's called negligence
[25:18.760 --> 25:20.760] That's called negligence
[25:20.760 --> 25:22.760] But the other stuff
[25:22.760 --> 25:25.760] Some of this involved in this case is not negligence
[25:25.760 --> 25:27.760] But malice
[25:27.760 --> 25:31.760] When you start fabricating something you know is wrong
[25:31.760 --> 25:33.760] In order to slam some people
[25:33.760 --> 25:36.760] That moves into malice
[25:36.760 --> 25:38.760] And that's very
[25:38.760 --> 25:41.760] That's defamation for sure
[25:41.760 --> 25:48.760] And so there's lots of facets to a case like this
[25:48.760 --> 25:51.760] And lots of issues to be determined
[25:51.760 --> 25:57.760] And your case is a good example of how to do this right
[25:57.760 --> 26:01.760] I hope I can keep it on track of doing it right
[26:01.760 --> 26:03.760] And like I say
[26:03.760 --> 26:06.760] If I can survive this motion
[26:06.760 --> 26:13.760] Where it keeps the defendants in the court and in trial
[26:13.760 --> 26:22.760] And if I can eventually get it to where we're doing discovery and things like that
[26:22.760 --> 26:24.760] And leading up to a trial
[26:24.760 --> 26:28.760] Some of my journalist friends tell me
[26:28.760 --> 26:31.760] Ron, they're not going to go to trial with this
[26:31.760 --> 26:34.760] There's never going to be a trial of this
[26:34.760 --> 26:38.760] If you can stay in court and proceed towards a trial
[26:38.760 --> 26:40.760] They will probably settle
[26:40.760 --> 26:44.760] Because they don't want to lose a case like this
[26:44.760 --> 26:47.760] And then lose on appeal and all that
[26:47.760 --> 26:48.760] They don't want to do that
[26:48.760 --> 26:50.760] Oh, absolutely not
[26:50.760 --> 26:53.760] We just got a case down last year
[26:53.760 --> 26:56.760] A Jasinowski case
[26:56.760 --> 26:58.760] It was out of Minnesota
[26:58.760 --> 27:02.760] And when I looked at the ruling I thought
[27:02.760 --> 27:08.760] What were you thinking, Wells Fargo?
[27:08.760 --> 27:14.760] How on earth did you ever let this get to the Supreme?
[27:14.760 --> 27:21.760] The Supreme absolutely dropped the sky on them
[27:21.760 --> 27:24.760] And it was the stupidest case
[27:24.760 --> 27:28.760] Why pursue something you almost know you're going to lose
[27:28.760 --> 27:34.760] My attorney even looked at my stuff
[27:34.760 --> 27:37.760] Like I say, he's not signed on
[27:37.760 --> 27:41.760] I do pay him for his time
[27:41.760 --> 27:44.760] But he's an older guy
[27:44.760 --> 27:46.760] He's semi-retired
[27:46.760 --> 27:48.760] He said, I can't do trial
[27:48.760 --> 27:49.760] He's a good trial attorney
[27:49.760 --> 27:53.760] But he's not in good enough health right now to do a trial
[27:53.760 --> 27:56.760] But he's been helping and looking at it
[27:56.760 --> 28:00.760] He says, Ronna, where's their defense?
[28:00.760 --> 28:02.760] He's asking me straight out
[28:02.760 --> 28:04.760] And I have to tell him, well, I don't see it
[28:04.760 --> 28:07.760] And he says, well, I don't see it either
[28:07.760 --> 28:13.760] So eventually they're going to have to come up with something
[28:13.760 --> 28:18.760] And I can't see that it's, you know, go to trial and lose
[28:18.760 --> 28:20.760] And not be able to win on appeal
[28:20.760 --> 28:25.760] I mean, talk about a big old something that wouldn't look good
[28:25.760 --> 28:27.760] And they'd be out money all at the same time
[28:27.760 --> 28:29.760] That doesn't make sense at all
[28:29.760 --> 28:35.760] There's a question I didn't ask you that I should have
[28:35.760 --> 28:43.760] At the end of the day, for you, what would be an equitable outcome?
[28:43.760 --> 28:49.760] What would be the minimal equitable outcome for you?
[28:49.760 --> 28:55.760] It actually depends on how much they drag me through the street to get there
[28:55.760 --> 29:01.760] You know, if they came up with something right now pretty soon
[29:01.760 --> 29:04.760] It probably wouldn't take much
[29:04.760 --> 29:08.760] But if they're going to drag me out for five years
[29:08.760 --> 29:12.760] I'm old myself
[29:12.760 --> 29:14.760] I'm no spring chicken
[29:14.760 --> 29:18.760] And they're going to drag me along for a long time
[29:18.760 --> 29:20.760] It's just going to get more expensive for them
[29:20.760 --> 29:22.760] Because I'm going to want more and more
[29:22.760 --> 29:24.760] Every day I want more
[29:24.760 --> 29:30.760] Okay, I'm going to touch on something that I should have talked about to start with
[29:30.760 --> 29:36.760] About these kinds of fights and the experience I've had fighting them myself
[29:36.760 --> 29:40.760] And dealing with people who have fought them
[29:40.760 --> 29:45.760] And it's about not getting caught up in the fight
[29:45.760 --> 29:48.760] I'll speak to that when I come back on the other side
[29:48.760 --> 29:53.760] Randy Kelton, Radio, here with our very special guest, Mr. Ron Avery
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[33:29.760 --> 33:41.760] I won't, oh I won't
[33:41.760 --> 33:48.760] I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes
[33:48.760 --> 33:56.760] I really must refuse your nose also covered in lies
[33:56.760 --> 33:59.760] It seems you like the fact
[33:59.760 --> 34:04.760] But please take some words to the wise
[34:04.760 --> 34:28.760] Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes
[34:28.760 --> 34:34.760] Okay we are back, Randy Kelton, ruleoflawradio and apologize for the extended break
[34:34.760 --> 34:38.760] We're working through some technical difficulties
[34:38.760 --> 34:45.760] For the time being the call bridge is down, Debra is working on it and rebooting servers and stuff
[34:45.760 --> 34:48.760] So we won't be able to take any calls for the time being
[34:48.760 --> 34:52.760] But we may be able to, we may get it back up before the show is over
[34:52.760 --> 34:58.760] So if you're on the call bridge you might as well interrupt the call because we won't be able to take you
[34:58.760 --> 35:03.760] If we can get it back up I will let you know and we'll pick back up with it
[35:03.760 --> 35:06.760] But Ron had to go
[35:06.760 --> 35:14.760] But there was, when we went out I was addressing an issue I should have addressed at the beginning
[35:14.760 --> 35:19.760] And that is what is an equitable outcome, I don't know
[35:19.760 --> 35:23.760] What an equitable outcome for Ron would be
[35:23.760 --> 35:29.760] But when you're fighting a case like this he needs to know what it would be
[35:29.760 --> 35:34.760] And if anybody gets into a case
[35:34.760 --> 35:46.760] You know from the perspective of a legal reform person and someone who rises up against the inequity
[35:46.760 --> 35:54.760] It tends to come with the perception that we fight them to the bloody end
[35:54.760 --> 35:59.760] And that's not always how we win
[35:59.760 --> 36:08.760] When you have someone like Hurst Industries that for the most part has limitless funds to throw at this
[36:08.760 --> 36:12.760] They can wear you down and wear you out
[36:12.760 --> 36:16.760] But they don't really want to
[36:16.760 --> 36:22.760] They got other stuff they'd rather be doing than fighting a pro se in court
[36:22.760 --> 36:26.760] And for the most part they don't like to fight pro se's
[36:26.760 --> 36:33.760] Because pro se's are a pain in the neck especially if you get a pro se that knows what he's doing
[36:33.760 --> 36:42.760] And he can bring issues that the lawyers do not want to have to deal with
[36:42.760 --> 36:47.760] Lawyers like to deal with what they always deal with
[36:47.760 --> 36:51.760] They like to handle issues they're very accustomed to handling
[36:51.760 --> 36:55.760] They don't like having to research out new issues
[36:55.760 --> 37:00.760] Because one of the worst things a lawyer can do is misquote case law
[37:00.760 --> 37:04.760] Or miss something that he should have found
[37:04.760 --> 37:08.760] And I've talked to a number of lawyers about legal research
[37:08.760 --> 37:15.760] And every time they research out a new issue they're always terrified when they go to court
[37:15.760 --> 37:18.760] They're terrified that they missed something
[37:18.760 --> 37:26.760] And when they get in court they're certain that the other lawyer, whatever it is, will not have missed it
[37:26.760 --> 37:32.760] And he's going to bring in the issue and you're not going to be able to argue it
[37:32.760 --> 37:36.760] And then your client is going to sue you for malpractice
[37:36.760 --> 37:38.760] Lawyers are terrified
[37:38.760 --> 37:46.760] So even though they got the money to wear you down
[37:46.760 --> 37:48.760] They don't want to
[37:48.760 --> 37:50.760] They want this thing to go away
[37:50.760 --> 37:56.760] If you get into a lawsuit of any kind
[37:56.760 --> 38:09.760] The very first thing you should do is decide for you what would be an equitable outcome
[38:09.760 --> 38:16.760] That way you know you can gauge when you're winning and when you're losing
[38:16.760 --> 38:27.760] I had a friend in Pennsylvania who was helping people with IRS issues
[38:27.760 --> 38:30.760] And one of the people she was working with
[38:30.760 --> 38:34.760] They sent them to a neighbor who had some IRS liens
[38:34.760 --> 38:35.760] And they wanted to get rid of them
[38:35.760 --> 38:37.760] And she looked them over and said, you want to get rid of these?
[38:37.760 --> 38:38.760] They said, yes we do
[38:38.760 --> 38:40.760] She ripped them up and threw them in the trash
[38:40.760 --> 38:43.760] And they were fiber gassed and she said, look
[38:43.760 --> 38:49.760] These liens expired two years ago and the IRS didn't renew them
[38:49.760 --> 38:53.760] These people were furious
[38:53.760 --> 38:57.760] And they wrote a scathing letter to the IRS
[38:57.760 --> 38:59.760] So what did the IRS do?
[38:59.760 --> 39:02.760] They reinstated liens
[39:02.760 --> 39:05.760] What were they thinking?
[39:05.760 --> 39:11.760] They had been in this fight so long that it became about the fight
[39:11.760 --> 39:14.760] And not about an outcome
[39:14.760 --> 39:18.760] They won the case and didn't even know it
[39:18.760 --> 39:26.760] So when you get into a legal battle, a legal battle of any kind
[39:26.760 --> 39:40.760] What you need to do is sit down first and decide for you what would be an equitable outcome
[39:40.760 --> 39:44.760] That way you know when you're winning
[39:44.760 --> 39:49.760] And once you reach that, in order to reach the equitable outcome
[39:49.760 --> 39:53.760] The equitable outcome, and I say equitable
[39:53.760 --> 39:58.760] Because it's always about the money
[39:58.760 --> 40:02.760] Yeah I understand it probably shouldn't be
[40:02.760 --> 40:07.760] But in the real world that you and I live in
[40:07.760 --> 40:09.760] It's always about the money
[40:09.760 --> 40:18.760] And if you're going to be able to gauge when you're winning and when you're losing
[40:18.760 --> 40:21.760] Write down a number
[40:21.760 --> 40:23.760] And once you have that number down
[40:23.760 --> 40:32.760] The first thing you should do is go to the other side and play let's make a deal
[40:32.760 --> 40:35.760] Well they're probably not going to want to make a deal
[40:35.760 --> 40:36.760] And you hope they don't want to make a deal
[40:36.760 --> 40:42.760] And you ask them for a deal that's a whole lot better than you're willing to settle for
[40:42.760 --> 40:50.760] At least give this semblance of attempting to negotiate an equitable outcome
[40:50.760 --> 40:57.760] So that if the other side reaches the point to where they want out of this litigation
[40:57.760 --> 41:01.760] You have an opportunity to get out of it
[41:01.760 --> 41:07.760] And if you've written down what for you is an equitable outcome
[41:07.760 --> 41:14.760] Then you'll know when you have reached the point you want to be at
[41:14.760 --> 41:23.760] So always, first thing you should do is have an exit strategy
[41:23.760 --> 41:28.760] Something that'll let you know when you've actually won this case
[41:28.760 --> 41:31.760] I hope that makes sense
[41:31.760 --> 41:33.760] Oh good, got my clock
[41:33.760 --> 41:37.760] I was a little distracted by my clock
[41:37.760 --> 41:39.760] They rebooted the system I guess, my clock went out
[41:39.760 --> 41:41.760] But I got it back
[41:41.760 --> 41:44.760] So first thing is equitable outcome
[41:44.760 --> 41:46.760] Decide what would be a win for you
[41:46.760 --> 41:48.760] The minimum win
[41:48.760 --> 41:55.760] What would be the least that you could in good conscience live with
[41:55.760 --> 41:57.760] Okay, once you've got that
[41:57.760 --> 42:01.760] Then ask for more than that and start the negotiation process
[42:01.760 --> 42:04.760] Negotiation process does a couple of things for you
[42:04.760 --> 42:11.760] It lets you put leverage on the other side, put pressure on the other side
[42:11.760 --> 42:19.760] Because you can go to the court and ask if the other side won't mediate with you
[42:19.760 --> 42:23.760] Ask the court to order mediation
[42:23.760 --> 42:27.760] In most circumstances they won't or even can't
[42:27.760 --> 42:33.760] But you're just a dumb pro se, heck you don't know that
[42:33.760 --> 42:37.760] And you want to make a deal
[42:37.760 --> 42:44.760] So what it tells the court is you're not some pro se fomenting the litigation
[42:44.760 --> 42:49.760] And giving the judge a pain in the neck when he'd rather be out playing golf
[42:49.760 --> 42:52.760] You want to make a deal to make this go away
[42:52.760 --> 42:56.760] And it's the other side that's keeping this in front of the court
[42:56.760 --> 42:59.760] Not the pro se litigant
[42:59.760 --> 43:06.760] So we're back to the thing that everything is political
[43:06.760 --> 43:08.760] And perception is everything
[43:08.760 --> 43:16.760] If you give the court the perception that you're reasonably trying to make an equitable settlement
[43:16.760 --> 43:22.760] Then the judge is going to be irritated at the one who's forcing him to read all these pleadings
[43:22.760 --> 43:24.760] Like in Ron's case
[43:24.760 --> 43:27.760] He's got to read this whole stack of a hundred and something pages
[43:27.760 --> 43:31.760] He would rather be out playing golf
[43:31.760 --> 43:34.760] So if it's the other side forcing him to do this
[43:34.760 --> 43:37.760] He is not going to be happy with that other side
[43:37.760 --> 43:40.760] Randy Kelton, Ruth of La Radio
[43:40.760 --> 43:43.760] I think our call bridges may be coming back up
[43:43.760 --> 43:46.760] But I'll let you know when we come back on the other side
[43:46.760 --> 43:50.760] If they are then we can call back in
[43:50.760 --> 43:56.760] So hang on, Debra is online and Debra knows everything
[43:56.760 --> 44:14.760] She'll get him fixed and we'll be right back
[44:26.760 --> 44:33.760] I'm going to go ahead and get him fixed
[44:33.760 --> 44:40.760] I'm going to go ahead and get him fixed
[44:40.760 --> 44:47.760] I'm going to go ahead and get him fixed
[44:47.760 --> 45:00.760] I'm going to go ahead and get him fixed
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[46:31.760 --> 46:33.760] Okay, we are back
[46:33.760 --> 46:35.760] Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio
[46:35.760 --> 46:39.760] And while we're waiting for the bridges to come back up
[46:39.760 --> 46:44.760] I do want to talk about this case a little bit more
[46:44.760 --> 46:51.760] I really have a lot of respect for Ron for taking this issue on
[46:51.760 --> 46:54.760] This is a large endeavor
[46:54.760 --> 47:02.760] Here we have a pro se taking on one of the biggest companies in the country
[47:02.760 --> 47:06.760] These guys got very deep pockets
[47:06.760 --> 47:11.760] So they can just keep dragging this out and dragging this out
[47:11.760 --> 47:18.760] I just talked to someone recently who was just having to stop and walk away from their case
[47:18.760 --> 47:22.760] Because it just consumed their life
[47:22.760 --> 47:27.760] And they just didn't have any more money to fight it
[47:27.760 --> 47:33.760] And this is what companies like this count on
[47:33.760 --> 47:37.760] Is that they can wear you down
[47:37.760 --> 47:41.760] And they'll keep pushing things at you until you run out of time or money
[47:41.760 --> 47:49.760] So in looking at this from the perspective of the pro se
[47:49.760 --> 47:54.760] You know, the courts hate pro se
[47:54.760 --> 47:58.760] But they don't hate pro se because pro se writes stupid pleadings
[47:58.760 --> 48:02.760] They like that, makes it easy to screw them around
[48:02.760 --> 48:08.760] They hate pro se's because every once in a while they come across a pro se from hell
[48:08.760 --> 48:15.760] The pro se who's listened to this show and got some ideas about how to go after them
[48:15.760 --> 48:18.760] How to take the fight back to them
[48:18.760 --> 48:23.760] Lawyers are terrified of judges
[48:23.760 --> 48:27.760] The pro se's, they don't need to be terrified of judges
[48:27.760 --> 48:33.760] Lawyers can get their bar card pulled on a whim
[48:33.760 --> 48:41.760] The judge can put a lawyer out of business just on caprice
[48:41.760 --> 48:47.760] But we don't have a bar card for the judge to take
[48:47.760 --> 48:54.760] A lawyer will never challenge a judge directly
[48:54.760 --> 48:58.760] Let's say he loses his bar card
[48:58.760 --> 49:03.760] We don't have bar cards, we can challenge the judge directly
[49:03.760 --> 49:11.760] I've asked the judge to get down off the bench because I didn't like the way he talked to me
[49:11.760 --> 49:15.760] I asked the judge, this was in a traffic case
[49:15.760 --> 49:21.760] I told the judge it was my understanding that you're here to determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence
[49:21.760 --> 49:24.760] And apply the law as it comes to you and the facts in the case
[49:24.760 --> 49:28.760] But you've indicated that you have some other agenda
[49:28.760 --> 49:33.760] With your angry voice and your loud speech
[49:33.760 --> 49:37.760] Am I to understand that you brought something else in the courtroom with you?
[49:37.760 --> 49:46.760] And if you did, you need to get down off that bench and have yourself replaced by the fairer and competent judge that I have a right to in the first instance
[49:46.760 --> 49:50.760] And the judge sitting there not believing what he's hearing
[49:50.760 --> 49:53.760] But also not knowing how to respond to it
[49:53.760 --> 49:56.760] What are you going to do, hold me in contempt?
[49:56.760 --> 50:00.760] Then we have a contempt hearing over what I just said
[50:00.760 --> 50:06.760] Every time I speak in court, I'm always thinking
[50:06.760 --> 50:16.760] How will what I'm about to say play in front of a grand jury of my peers?
[50:16.760 --> 50:21.760] If you go into court always thinking that
[50:21.760 --> 50:31.760] Then it will govern your speech in a way that the other side will recognize
[50:31.760 --> 50:41.760] Not only will it make it extremely difficult for them to lodge an accusation against you
[50:41.760 --> 50:51.760] They will also recognize that by your speech and by the control you have in what you say and what you do
[50:51.760 --> 50:54.760] That you're setting them up
[50:54.760 --> 51:03.760] It's always been the most powerful thing that I have found is to create the perception that you're setting them up
[51:03.760 --> 51:06.760] Because only proceeds can set them up
[51:06.760 --> 51:09.760] Lawyers can't do that
[51:09.760 --> 51:12.760] Rosaries can come in and set them up all they want to and there's nothing they can do about it
[51:12.760 --> 51:19.760] So we do have power in the courtroom if we just learn how to wield it
[51:19.760 --> 51:23.760] The last two or three cases I've had thrown out
[51:23.760 --> 51:30.760] We have Scott from Texas who was calling in because he has crowing rights
[51:30.760 --> 51:32.760] He just got one thrown out
[51:32.760 --> 51:35.760] And it was because he took them on
[51:35.760 --> 51:39.760] And he took them on professionally
[51:39.760 --> 51:43.760] He took them on using their rules against them
[51:43.760 --> 51:45.760] The way they use their rules
[51:45.760 --> 51:49.760] He was essentially more professional than they were
[51:49.760 --> 51:57.760] So there is a lot that we can do to gain political influence
[51:57.760 --> 51:59.760] And this is all about politics
[51:59.760 --> 52:03.760] It's not about the right of things or the rule of law
[52:03.760 --> 52:09.760] But in order to get there, the first thing you have to do is have a talisman
[52:09.760 --> 52:15.760] In the form of a goal, an equitable outcome
[52:15.760 --> 52:17.760] Once you got that, that's going to protect you from a whole lot
[52:17.760 --> 52:19.760] Because now you know where you're going
[52:19.760 --> 52:23.760] If you don't know where you're going, odds are you'll wind up somewhere else
[52:23.760 --> 52:30.760] Once you know where you're going, then you need to understand that as a pro se
[52:30.760 --> 52:35.760] You're the most powerful person in the building
[52:35.760 --> 52:39.760] They're all public servants, you are the master
[52:39.760 --> 52:44.760] So before you get to the adjudication of the case
[52:44.760 --> 52:51.760] You come into the courtroom in your capacity as the master of the servants
[52:51.760 --> 52:57.760] The servants are there to perform their duty in accordance with the law
[52:57.760 --> 53:02.760] If they fail to do so, you have remedy
[53:02.760 --> 53:08.760] You can kick their behinds and they have no recourse
[53:08.760 --> 53:16.760] Primarily because you have to expect the judge to rule against you out of hand at every turn
[53:16.760 --> 53:19.760] You just have to expect that
[53:19.760 --> 53:23.760] Okay, maybe the judge won't, maybe he'll rule in your favor
[53:23.760 --> 53:25.760] But if he does that, that's a gift
[53:25.760 --> 53:29.760] And the other side will appeal anyway
[53:29.760 --> 53:34.760] So it doesn't make a whole lot of difference what the judge does in court
[53:34.760 --> 53:43.760] Other than helps you to get your facts and law on the record
[53:43.760 --> 53:47.760] That's all you want to do in court, get your facts and law on the record
[53:47.760 --> 53:52.760] If you have facts and law that's substantial enough
[53:52.760 --> 53:57.760] There's a good chance the judge may actually rule in your favor
[53:57.760 --> 54:06.760] But if you're a pro se, there's a lot of pressure on the judge not to rule in your favor
[54:06.760 --> 54:08.760] Because he's a lawyer
[54:08.760 --> 54:13.760] And he works with all these other lawyers and he knows all these lawyers
[54:13.760 --> 54:16.760] They deal with one another all the time
[54:16.760 --> 54:26.760] To come in and rule against one of his professional colleagues to the benefit of a pro se
[54:26.760 --> 54:32.760] Somebody comes into court and denies these lawyers in their livelihood
[54:32.760 --> 54:35.760] You know, they think you're stealing from them
[54:35.760 --> 54:38.760] This is their job, this is what they do
[54:38.760 --> 54:40.760] You come in and do it yourself
[54:40.760 --> 54:44.760] You deny one of us lawyers our wages
[54:44.760 --> 54:46.760] You really feel that way about us
[54:46.760 --> 54:53.760] So even if the judge doesn't want to be, he's going to be prejudiced against you
[54:53.760 --> 54:58.760] Even if he's otherwise an honest and reasonable judge
[54:58.760 --> 55:04.760] This prejudice is going to be there, you have to understand it, accept it, deal with it
[55:04.760 --> 55:10.760] And like I told Ron on the break just before he left
[55:10.760 --> 55:16.760] Him and I were engineers, he's an architect, an electro engineer
[55:16.760 --> 55:20.760] And we don't have philosophies, engineers don't have philosophies
[55:20.760 --> 55:23.760] We just connect the dots, that's all we do
[55:23.760 --> 55:29.760] If you're going to be a good pro se litigant, you have to just connect the dots
[55:29.760 --> 55:33.760] Leave all your philosophies at home
[55:33.760 --> 55:39.760] My tech manual are statutes and case law, this is the tech manual
[55:39.760 --> 55:46.760] I don't have opinions about them, these are the parameters I have to deal with
[55:46.760 --> 55:50.760] Okay, I may think something's really unjust
[55:50.760 --> 55:52.760] Okay, so what?
[55:52.760 --> 55:54.760] I leave that out of the courtroom
[55:54.760 --> 56:00.760] Leave that at home, don't bring it in the courtroom and get me all upset and angry and frustrated
[56:00.760 --> 56:05.760] Because then I'll start acting in a way they call agitated
[56:05.760 --> 56:10.760] And then the court would disregard anything I say or do
[56:10.760 --> 56:13.760] So I leave all that home, I'm a mechanic
[56:13.760 --> 56:24.760] I connect the dots, I just lay in these facts and show how this law or this case law relates to these facts
[56:24.760 --> 56:29.760] Such that the court should rule in this way, that's all I'm there for
[56:29.760 --> 56:37.760] If I forget that, I'm going to lose badly, I'm going to lose justifiably
[56:37.760 --> 56:47.760] You lose your case as much for procedure as anything else and often more so
[56:47.760 --> 56:54.760] So your only purpose, the procedures you follow, but the rules of court
[56:54.760 --> 57:00.760] And you proceeding to court for the purpose of getting the facts on the record
[57:00.760 --> 57:04.760] And getting the law on the record with the case
[57:04.760 --> 57:07.760] Once you set the record, your job is done
[57:07.760 --> 57:18.760] If you happen to win in doing this, because if you do it right, you do it without emotional involvement
[57:18.760 --> 57:27.760] And you present the facts in a professional manner, the judge will tend to forget that you're a pro se
[57:27.760 --> 57:33.760] I have no doubt that because of the way Ron Avery presents himself in court
[57:33.760 --> 57:38.760] That the judge will very soon forget that he's pro se
[57:38.760 --> 57:44.760] He's in the court, he's got the facts, he's got the law and he presents them professionally
[57:44.760 --> 57:57.760] He becomes like one of these other lawyers and the judge loses some of that intentional or unintentional bias
[57:57.760 --> 58:04.760] And he may actually rule in his favor, but if he does, that's just a gift
[58:04.760 --> 58:13.760] Don't expect it, don't depend on it, because you'll always be disappointed
[58:13.760 --> 58:17.760] Once you can get to the court of appeals, that's where you can win your case
[58:17.760 --> 58:25.760] And then looking at Ron's case, he's pretty confident that if this goes to the court of appeals, he will absolutely win
[58:25.760 --> 58:28.760] And this is how we should handle our cases
[58:28.760 --> 58:33.760] Hang on, about to go to break, Randy Kelton, Wheel of Law Radio
[58:33.760 --> 58:37.760] At the moment, our phone bridges are still down, we're still trying to get them up
[58:37.760 --> 58:41.760] As soon as we get them up, I'll let you know and we'll start taking your calls
[58:41.760 --> 58:43.760] And we'll be right back
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[01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.760] Today in history, the year 1961
[01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:50.760] The first animal safely returned from space after completing one full orbit around the Earth in Sputnik 9
[01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.760] A doggie named Ternushka or Blackie returned from the heavens
[01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:58.760] Today in history
[01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:04.760] In recent news, Tehrad Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran, was found guilty today of attempting to join the Islamic State
[01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:11.760] After a week-long trial at a Brooklyn federal court, a jury found Tehrad guilty of attempting to provide material support to ISIS
[01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:16.760] And guilty of obstruction for destroying four e-storage drives after his detention in Turkey
[01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.760] Pugh is set to be sentenced in September
[01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:24.760] Pugh's defense lawyer is arguing that all he did was express repugnant views about the Islamic State on Facebook
[01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:26.760] And watched dozens of the group's recruitment videos
[01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.760] And that he was only traveling to Turkey to find work, not to become a jihadist
[01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:34.760] However, prosecutors are presenting a letter he apparently drafted to his Egyptian wife
[01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.760] Which was found on his laptop in which he vowed to fight for Islam
[01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.760] When detained in Istanbul, he apparently had a black face mask
[01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.760] A map depicting Islamic State's stronghold in Syria
[01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.760] And a chart of the border crossings between Turkey and Syria
[01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:54.760] Pugh served as an avionics specialist in the Air Force from 1986 to 1990
[01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.760] And later worked as an army contractor in Iraq from 2009 to 2010
[01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:10.760] Toyota recently showed off a new device that could dramatically assist the visually impaired to better navigate their surroundings
[01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:15.760] Called Project Blade an informational device to bridge the gap between a cane or a guide dog
[01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.760] Toyota has been testing various prototypes of the wearable device with individuals from the visually impaired community for the past three years
[01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:26.760] And though the details of the project were released this week, no official timeline has been set for the release
[01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:33.760] The automaker plans incorporating mapping, object identification, and facial mapping technologies into Blade in the future
[01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:55.760] Doug Moore, manager of partner robotics at Toyota told ABC that Toyota is thinking about quality of life for individuals and how to impact society
[01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.760] Yeah, a story for everyone to hear
[01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:12.760] About how we're not going to give in to fear
[01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:16.760] Yeah, a story
[01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:21.760] That's what I'm going to tell you
[01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:25.760] I will lie by my brother's house
[01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.760] I will tell him the truth
[01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:32.760] I will lie by my brother's house
[01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.760] He has me with his faith and wisdom
[01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.760] I will aid my concern
[01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.760] I will lie by my brother's house
[01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.760] Yeah, I will lie by my father's house
[01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.760] I will tell him the truth
[01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.760] I will lie by my father's house
[01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:58.760] I will guard these walls if I say
[01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:03.760] How I will lie by my brother's house
[01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.760] I will tell him the truth
[01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.760] I will lie by my father's house
[01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.760] Yeah, I will lie by my brother's house
[01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.760] I will tell him the truth
[01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.760] I will lie by my father's house
[01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.760] He has me with his faith and wisdom
[01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.760] I will have these minutes
[01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.400] with phone bridges we were a little late coming in because we thought we had them working but
[01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:41.360] it looks like the problem is turning out to be faulty equipment so it appears as though we're
[01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:49.600] going to have to replace some equipment on the phone bridge and this is problematic because we
[01:04:49.600 --> 01:04:56.000] we were already low on funds so it's really beginning to stress us out. Part of the reason
[01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.680] we're having this problem is because we've been running equipment that needed to be
[01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:08.080] replaced quite a while ago and I have to give Debra credit she's keeping this thing going
[01:05:08.080 --> 01:05:17.920] on absolutely a shoestring. The other radio stations GSN network they have a massive budget
[01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:28.560] and not to disparage GSN but we produce a better stream because Debra is so meticulous
[01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:37.520] with how she produces this show but she does it for a fraction of what it costs other people
[01:05:37.520 --> 01:05:43.520] and it's because she just spends all of her time doing it and we spend every extra dime we can get
[01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:52.000] on the network so if you appreciate what we're doing and you find value in what we're doing
[01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.360] we would appreciate some help to keep this thing on the air
[01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.680] because frankly right now we're struggling anyway enough of that
[01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:11.520] we've got another hour so I'm going to go through some things that I go I like to go through these
[01:06:11.520 --> 01:06:22.160] kind of on a somewhat regular basis some of the basics of what people need to know need to
[01:06:22.160 --> 01:06:34.160] of what people need to know need to understand in order to be able to find remedy and
[01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:40.800] in doing this for a long time and studying it and I studied from an engineer's perspective I
[01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:50.880] I don't have these philosophies I'm looking at over the years what have we seen that works well
[01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:57.920] well I had one caller Scott from Texas and Scott's been listening for quite a while
[01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:07.200] and he started he got some couple of tickets he listens to Eddie's show and he didn't renew his
[01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:16.480] license and he got two or three tickets because of that but he decided to fight him and he decided
[01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:25.120] to fight him because it was just the right thing to do and once he started to fight them
[01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:32.560] then the court started to do what they normally do is they just whatever you bring they don't care
[01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:43.120] they're just there to make money so then he and I got to talking and I got him to pay the paying
[01:07:43.120 --> 01:07:52.720] attention to what was going on from the perspective of the master and servant
[01:07:54.720 --> 01:08:01.440] he was the master they were the servants and he engaged the servants to enforce the law
[01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:07.040] even if it was enforced against him because we ask our public officials to protect us
[01:08:07.040 --> 01:08:16.720] even from our own excesses or distraction and but when we empower those public officials to act
[01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:26.720] we give them very finely defined restrictions if they exceed those restrictions then it is our duty
[01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:37.280] as the master to take them to task and that is exactly what Scott did and he filed what any
[01:08:37.280 --> 01:08:48.320] prosecutor would consider a frivolous complaint he filed criminal charges against a municipal court
[01:08:48.320 --> 01:08:58.640] judge for yelling at him in a hearing now if you yelled at the judge you'd go to jail for
[01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:06.000] contempt to court but then you're in the courtroom as the master of the servants and he's one of the
[01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:17.680] servants just who does he think he is yelling at a litigant that indicates that the official has
[01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:27.520] an emotional stake in the outcome and that disqualifies the official if the official has
[01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:33.680] some emotional stake he needs to leave that at home if he wants to yell at somebody go home and
[01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:39.760] yell at your wife and then see if you can go to sleep tonight without her dumping ice water on
[01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:49.840] you or something but when you stand before your master I expect my judges to conduct themselves
[01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:58.000] with a certain amount of dignity respect and civility and make sure all their actions are
[01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:04.800] within the limits of their authority well this judge yelled at him to prevent him from making
[01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:12.800] the right to travel argument so he went to the grand jury and filed criminal charges against
[01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:24.640] the judge and witness tampering how's that work for you judge and after that he's noticed police
[01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:30.400] pull in in behind him and a couple of times because his plates expired they followed him in
[01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:40.240] little ways then they turn off and go get somebody else this is what happens when they run into
[01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:49.360] a pro se who knows what he's doing and is willing to do it so he just went into court today and he
[01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:56.320] had breaking rights today because he went into court and the court called him up first usually
[01:10:56.320 --> 01:11:05.280] they call us proceeds at last but they called him up for first and told him that I'm just going to
[01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:15.680] hand you the hat my hat on this one you dismissed they had apparently found out what he had done in
[01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:27.040] other courts and they wanted nothing to do with him now from a purely purist perspective
[01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:36.320] the judge had a duty to prosecute the case but for our purposes here we won't raise that issue
[01:11:36.320 --> 01:11:46.080] the point is is when you take them on and when you take them on using their own law against them
[01:11:47.040 --> 01:11:55.360] they don't know how to deal with you and in the end they want not to deal with you they want to
[01:11:55.360 --> 01:12:03.040] get your case out of their court as fast as they can and the way we will fix the system
[01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:12.400] system is by getting more people in a position to give the judge reason to want their case
[01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:19.920] out of his court then they start following law and doing things right so that they don't
[01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:26.480] wind up with more criminal charges filed against them and here's a good place to go to the
[01:12:26.480 --> 01:12:39.120] the process we tend to run public officials through the process and the process is you
[01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:45.200] ask a public official to do what he's required to do he's going to refuse what he's going to do
[01:12:45.200 --> 01:12:51.200] instead is do what he's been trained to do do what he's always done
[01:12:51.200 --> 01:12:59.200] act in accordance with policy and the complaints i'd like to file the most
[01:13:00.320 --> 01:13:07.680] are our complaints alleging a public official a following policy and i have one right now that
[01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:15.520] i'm working through the system i'm going to go through this it's a little bit complex
[01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:24.080] and that's what that's what makes it even better in last year the legislature passed legislation
[01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:36.160] texas government code 411 and it went to public integrity units you know one or all is the one
[01:13:36.160 --> 01:13:46.880] that got public integrity units put in place and then tarrant county has one of the big counties
[01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:56.080] have a public integrity unit and they investigate into crimes by public officials well when i first
[01:13:56.080 --> 01:14:06.240] looked at that i considered a public integrity unit a section of the district attorney's office to be
[01:14:07.040 --> 01:14:16.240] in criminal violation of law and the reason it's in criminal violation of law is article 2.03
[01:14:16.240 --> 01:14:26.480] which says essentially the when a prosecuting attorney is made known in any manner that a public
[01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:32.640] official has violated the law relating to his office he shall reduce complaint with information
[01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:41.200] submitted to the grand jury this is the very first statute in the code of criminal procedure
[01:14:41.200 --> 01:14:51.440] under duties of officers that gives a public official a specific directive to do a certain
[01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:58.000] thing and it directs the prosecutor when he gets a complaint against a public official
[01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:04.400] to give it to the grand jury and to submit a complaint to some magistrate
[01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:09.920] well that would eliminate any discretion on the part of the prosecuting attorney
[01:15:11.120 --> 01:15:16.640] so what in the heck is he doing investigating crimes against public officials when he's supposed
[01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:23.120] to give that to the grand jury and if the grand jury wants to investigate into it well they
[01:15:23.120 --> 01:15:31.520] actually have to because under 24.09 it shall be the duty of the grand jury to investigate into
[01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:41.040] all crimes subject to indictment that come to their knowledge by way of any member of the grand jury
[01:15:41.040 --> 01:15:50.480] by way of the prosecuting attorney or any credible person so by reading those in conjunction or in
[01:15:50.480 --> 01:16:02.240] para materia one with the other it appears as though it was the intent of the legislature
[01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:08.160] that when there is a complaint against a public official the prosecuting attorney who may well
[01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:15.520] work with that public official not be put into a position to where he has to investigate it into
[01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:22.720] somebody he works with inherent conflict of interest so they took that authority away from
[01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:30.960] the prosecutor and gave it to the grand jury so it was my contention that this public integrity
[01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:38.560] unit was illegal and it appears the legislature has agreed and they transferred that authority
[01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:45.920] to the texas rangers and when we get back i'll talk about the shenanigans the higher-ups in the
[01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:53.120] texas rangers have pulled to take the teeth out of that legislation randy kelcombs we live on radio
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[01:18:59.440 --> 01:19:17.200] this is the logos logos radio net radio net oh come on
[01:19:29.440 --> 01:19:34.400] I
[01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:48.400] can't get everything
[01:19:48.400 --> 01:20:02.800] And it looks like the bridge is going to be down for the rest of the day.
[01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.240] So we won't be able to take any calls today.
[01:20:05.240 --> 01:20:09.000] And I'm going to continue.
[01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:18.000] I'm really not speaking so much to a specific process as to a way of thinking about what
[01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:19.440] we're doing.
[01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:28.640] It does lend itself to some specific processes, but once you shift the way you hold your mind
[01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:39.720] when you walk into a courtroom, then the processes will essentially dictate themselves.
[01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:46.840] If you walk into the courtroom from the perspective that you are the master of the servants, now
[01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:53.760] as the master, you do not come into the courtroom expecting any special privilege.
[01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:58.320] It's part of your directive that there be no special privilege.
[01:20:58.320 --> 01:21:04.920] And this goes to this notion of seeking justice from the court.
[01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.240] We don't go to the court to get justice.
[01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:12.280] We go to the court to get adjudication of law.
[01:21:12.280 --> 01:21:16.640] The court is to determine the facts in accordance to the rules of evidence and apply the laws
[01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:24.200] that comes to him to the facts of the case, not to juxtapose the court's concept of justice
[01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:30.960] on the legislation that is designed to promote justice.
[01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:36.840] If we want justice, we go to the legislature for justice.
[01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:46.520] We go to them and say, the law as it's written is not promoting justice, change the law.
[01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:53.360] And we change the law and then watch the effect of the law if the effect of the law promotes
[01:21:53.360 --> 01:21:54.360] justice.
[01:21:54.360 --> 01:21:55.360] Wonderful.
[01:21:55.360 --> 01:22:03.360] But the last thing we want is for some judge to come in there and decide that what he thinks
[01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:06.960] is just is what should be done.
[01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:15.000] We have one of those in Fort Worth, a Judge McBride, he's a federal judge, 88, 89 years
[01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.680] old, been on the bench way too long.
[01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:22.880] I think he's lost his perspective.
[01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:31.480] He's had people coming to him asking for his favor and his rulings too long and he forgot
[01:22:31.480 --> 01:22:37.240] that he is a servant of the people and thinks he is the master of them.
[01:22:37.240 --> 01:22:40.680] Well, he's not.
[01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:49.920] We don't need a judge to decide what he thinks is just and apply his concept of justice to
[01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.520] cases.
[01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.200] That's what happened in the common law.
[01:22:55.200 --> 01:23:01.040] And the common law had some serious problems because it was common law and the judge could
[01:23:01.040 --> 01:23:06.120] rule on what he thought was just, what he thought was just depended on who paid him
[01:23:06.120 --> 01:23:09.600] the most.
[01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.080] Founds are flawed.
[01:23:11.080 --> 01:23:12.480] It's just the way it is.
[01:23:12.480 --> 01:23:18.720] They're flawed and everybody can be bought and in a common law system, whoever's got
[01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.400] the money is going to get justice.
[01:23:21.400 --> 01:23:29.920] So our founders fixed that, they created a system where the law is designed to promote
[01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:36.240] justice and the judge simply administers the law.
[01:23:36.240 --> 01:23:44.520] When they fail to administer the law, you as the master have a duty to exercise the
[01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.240] remedies that are contained in the law.
[01:23:48.240 --> 01:23:52.960] You can't expect lawyers to do it because the judges put them out of business.
[01:23:52.960 --> 01:24:01.520] You the individual have to do it and it's not so difficult as it sounds.
[01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:11.080] You will find that every public official in the process will resist doing their job.
[01:24:11.080 --> 01:24:18.360] And when I first started this, that was one of the more difficult things to deal with
[01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:20.560] is I knew what the law said.
[01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:26.800] I knew precisely what the public official was supposed to do, but the official just
[01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:30.240] refused to do it.
[01:24:30.240 --> 01:24:39.760] And they did so with relative impunity because they were certain that they would receive
[01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:47.520] no repercussions because all of these folks are public officials and this particular individual
[01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:50.320] is protecting one of his buddies.
[01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:53.000] He could expect his buddy to protect him in return.
[01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:58.960] So that thing we call the good old boy system.
[01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:03.520] So the problem was, how do we get around that?
[01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:13.280] And the solution was, is we start turning the good old boys against one another.
[01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:24.640] When the first one refuses to perform his duty in order to protect the second one, the
[01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:29.480] first one gets charged himself.
[01:25:29.480 --> 01:25:35.420] Now he has to answer for trying to protect his buddy.
[01:25:35.420 --> 01:25:40.960] So you go to a justice of the peace and you file a criminal complaint and the justice
[01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:46.560] tells you what you really need to give that to the police department.
[01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:47.560] So what do you do?
[01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.240] You take your complaint to the police department?
[01:25:51.240 --> 01:25:53.160] Not exactly.
[01:25:53.160 --> 01:25:59.720] You take a complaint against the justice of the peace to the police department, accusing
[01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:05.840] the justice of the peace of failing to hold an examining trial when noticed that a crime
[01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:09.200] had been committed.
[01:26:09.200 --> 01:26:16.960] Now you get the chief of police looking at it from a whole different perspective.
[01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:21.800] So when you give it to the chief of police, even though he may look at it from a whole
[01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:26.600] different perspective, he's going to do what he's been trained to do.
[01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:32.080] He's going to do what he's been doing his whole professional career.
[01:26:32.080 --> 01:26:38.840] He's going to refuse to present it to some magistrate, Article 2.13, Code of Criminal
[01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.720] Procedure, directs him in what he's to do, but he's not going to do this because that's
[01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.400] not what they do.
[01:26:48.400 --> 01:26:53.720] I had a judge that I respect greatly, Judge Autry.
[01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:59.840] When I went to him with the criminal procedure code, Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, this
[01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:06.840] is the procedure when a manatee district hasn't made known to him that a crime has been committed.
[01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:09.720] These are the things you're supposed to do.
[01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:16.840] And I walked through the steps that were required to be there, that weren't there.
[01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:23.000] And Mark looked at me and he said, Mr. Kalkin, are you telling me that everybody in the state
[01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:29.560] of Texas is wrong and you're right, that the way we've been doing things in the 20 years
[01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:34.640] I've been in law enforcement is wrong and you're right?
[01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:36.400] Don't ask me, Mark.
[01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:39.160] I didn't write the code, I just read it.
[01:27:39.160 --> 01:27:43.000] Show me where I'm wrong, have I missed something?
[01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:47.080] Is there another set of code out there I haven't seen?
[01:27:47.080 --> 01:27:51.280] And Mark was acting in good faith.
[01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:56.920] He was probably as honest and individual as I've ever come across, as fair and honest
[01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.920] and individual and as courageous.
[01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:07.440] He didn't do this because he was afraid not to do things the way that already has been
[01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:08.440] done.
[01:28:08.440 --> 01:28:12.640] He did this because he believed this is the way it should be done because that's the way
[01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:16.360] everybody that's been doing it, all these people who know more than them has been doing
[01:28:16.360 --> 01:28:17.360] it this way.
[01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:24.440] And then I get this know nothing process, hey, come along and tell me that everybody's
[01:28:24.440 --> 01:28:29.400] doing it wrong and he just didn't believe to trust him.
[01:28:29.400 --> 01:28:37.260] Mark had to have this notion that he's missing something, there's something out there that
[01:28:37.260 --> 01:28:41.200] justifies what we're doing and he missed it.
[01:28:41.200 --> 01:28:46.160] So I'll ask him for it and he'll know what it was and I've never found it.
[01:28:46.160 --> 01:28:52.240] So it's important I guess to understand that for the most part you're dealing with people
[01:28:52.240 --> 01:28:56.100] who are not acting maliciously.
[01:28:56.100 --> 01:29:00.360] You're acting at what they believe to be the best of faith and that's why I always say
[01:29:00.360 --> 01:29:07.440] I never want a public official indicted because I'm going to accuse them of following policy.
[01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:15.520] I don't want them indicted for following policy, but I do want them to have to answer for following
[01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:16.520] policy.
[01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:20.760] Now they can claim good faith, reliance on competent authority and throw their boss under
[01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:26.080] the bus if they want to and that's what I want them to do, but they can take the heat
[01:29:26.080 --> 01:29:27.080] themselves.
[01:29:27.080 --> 01:29:36.680] But what this will do by taking them on on their own practices will influence them to
[01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:42.520] change the practices and what I did just here recently in the county I live in is I filed
[01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:47.680] criminal charges, first degree felony, aggravated assault against the district judge with the
[01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:56.680] Texas Ranger and I did that in order to get protocols changed and I'll explain that when
[01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:01.880] we come back on the other side, we're going to have to get rid of our radio.
[01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:03.880] Do you have a chocolate monster inside?
[01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:07.640] You know, the one that forces you to eat a chocolate bar even though it's not on your
[01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:08.640] diet?
[01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:13.040] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be back in a moment with a tip to tame temptation
[01:30:13.040 --> 01:30:15.780] that really works.
[01:30:15.780 --> 01:30:17.360] Privacy is under attack.
[01:30:17.360 --> 01:30:21.760] When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again and once your privacy
[01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:25.760] is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:30.920] So protect your rights, say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
[01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.520] Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:48.800] There's nothing quite like melt-in-your-mouth chocolate but it can sure sabotage a healthy
[01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:49.800] diet.
[01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:53.920] When I get a hankering, I just recall the U.S. Food and Drug Administration guidelines
[01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:56.960] for adulteration and filth in chocolate.
[01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:01.440] You might think the agency would forbid filth and contamination but they don't, they just
[01:31:01.440 --> 01:31:02.480] set limits.
[01:31:02.480 --> 01:31:08.760] For example, the FDA allows an average of 59 insect fragments in 1 rat hair in 100 grams
[01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:09.760] of chocolate.
[01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:14.240] To put that in perspective, 100 grams is about the weight of a 3.5 ounce sampler box with
[01:31:14.240 --> 01:31:15.800] 8 chocolate candies.
[01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:16.800] Yuck.
[01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:20.000] Just think wings, legs and hair the next time you're dieting.
[01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:21.000] It works like a charm.
[01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.240] I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
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[01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:27.480] You are listening to the Logos Radio Network, logosradionetwork.com.
[01:33:27.480 --> 01:33:55.200] And I say, truth in nature must be justice, I believe.
[01:33:55.200 --> 01:34:05.240] Truth in nature must be justice, and love is a daunting task, at least for God's disease.
[01:34:05.240 --> 01:34:12.040] I send them all to just take off their silly minds, and in the light of day we all will
[01:34:12.040 --> 01:34:35.760] rise to help the tools of ingenuity, to use against the workers of iniquity, to use against
[01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:46.080] the tools of ingenuity.
[01:34:46.080 --> 01:34:59.240] Okay, we are back.
[01:34:59.240 --> 01:35:07.360] We are back on the radio, and Debra, the magician, has found a temporary workaround.
[01:35:07.360 --> 01:35:14.480] So we've got the bridges temporarily back up until we can replace some equipment that
[01:35:14.480 --> 01:35:17.440] has seemed to have failed.
[01:35:17.440 --> 01:35:20.980] So if you have a question or comment, give us a call.
[01:35:20.980 --> 01:35:23.300] Scott, I'd like to see you call back in.
[01:35:23.300 --> 01:35:27.880] You have crowing rights today.
[01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:33.720] So the bridges are up, and I'm going to go back to what I was talking about.
[01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:40.840] Where I was going is, we just follow the thunder.
[01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:46.840] In a case in the county I live in, I went to the district court in order to challenge
[01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:51.800] the grand jury pool, and the court was empaneling a grand jury.
[01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:57.120] And the court empaneled the grand jury without giving me opportunities to challenge the pool.
[01:35:57.120 --> 01:36:03.360] So after the hearing, I directed the judge to reconvene the hearing, bring the grand
[01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:09.000] jury pool back in, disband the grand jury they had selected, and give me opportunity
[01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.840] to challenge the pool.
[01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:18.600] And he didn't want to do that, and in the process, he threatened to have me arrested.
[01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.840] And the bailiff was just all too happy and ran over and put, one of them put his hand
[01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:25.980] on my arm.
[01:36:25.980 --> 01:36:32.600] So I went to the local Texas ranger and filed and complained against the district judge
[01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:40.200] for first degree felony aggravated assault, 2202B2A for public, if someone commits simple
[01:36:40.200 --> 01:36:47.120] assault, while prominently, which is a classy misdemeanor, while prominently displaying
[01:36:47.120 --> 01:36:54.520] a deadly weapon to second degree felony, unless they are a public official acting under the
[01:36:54.520 --> 01:37:02.000] color or pretense of an official capacity, in which case it's felony of the first degree.
[01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:08.360] So I charged Judge John Faustel, our local district judge, with first degree felony aggravated
[01:37:08.360 --> 01:37:13.880] assault for assaulting me with the armed bailiff.
[01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:15.960] I gave that to the Texas rangers.
[01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:29.400] Now 411, Texas government code 411, created a division within the Texas rangers to investigate
[01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:31.840] crimes against public officials.
[01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:40.560] Now historically, the Texas rangers could not investigate a criminal complaint against
[01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:47.440] a public official without the written express permission of the director of the Department
[01:37:47.440 --> 01:37:50.480] of Public Safety.
[01:37:50.480 --> 01:37:58.640] So the legislature acquired that the Texas ranger produce a set of protocols for the
[01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:03.920] enforcement of section 411.
[01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:10.840] They produced those protocols and what those protocols called for was the ranger going
[01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:19.640] to the district attorney and asking permission from the district attorney to enforce this
[01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:20.920] particular law.
[01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:29.520] Now that sounded like a bunch of high level officials not liking the law that the legislature
[01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:36.280] passed, so they set up a set of protocols to circumvent them.
[01:38:36.280 --> 01:38:42.360] It was the intention that the prosecuting attorney not be able to investigate these
[01:38:42.360 --> 01:38:44.440] crimes.
[01:38:44.440 --> 01:38:55.400] So the higher ups in the Department of Public Safety fixed it so that the prosecuting attorney
[01:38:55.400 --> 01:39:01.000] still had discretion concerning the investigation of these crimes.
[01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:07.600] So I instructed the Texas ranger that I would be filing this complaint with him and he said
[01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:13.520] well he couldn't do anything with it and I assured him I don't care what you do with
[01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:15.320] it.
[01:39:15.320 --> 01:39:20.120] If you give it to the grand jury, I'll be happy.
[01:39:20.120 --> 01:39:26.880] If you don't give it to the grand jury, I'll charge you with shielding from prosecution
[01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.720] with the grand jury myself.
[01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.360] Well I'm not going to act on them unless the prosecutor tells me I can.
[01:39:34.360 --> 01:39:38.480] Well I know the prosecutor and I consider him a personal friend and I told him what
[01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:46.000] I had done and he assured me that if the ranger contacted him that he would recuse himself.
[01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.920] He wouldn't touch it and I said perfect.
[01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:57.840] So now if they appointed an attorney pro tem for this purpose and the attorney pro tem
[01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:07.200] directs the ranger not to pursue investigation of the complaint, then I will accuse the attorney
[01:40:07.200 --> 01:40:13.180] pro tem of conspiring with the ranger to obstruct justice.
[01:40:13.180 --> 01:40:17.120] I don't care what they do.
[01:40:17.120 --> 01:40:26.960] I'm going to follow code and I'm going to expect them to follow code and in the process
[01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:30.280] I'm just following the thunder.
[01:40:30.280 --> 01:40:33.720] I ask a public official to do what the law requires him to do.
[01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:36.960] He either does it or I see him good.
[01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.960] Okay, call bridge is filling up.
[01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:48.480] We got Mark in Texas and Mark has some crowing rights, Mark, Scott in Texas and Scott has
[01:40:48.480 --> 01:40:49.760] some crowing rights.
[01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:54.400] You want to go quickly, we've only got a couple segments.
[01:40:54.400 --> 01:40:56.400] Scott, you there?
[01:40:56.400 --> 01:40:59.080] Can you hear me?
[01:40:59.080 --> 01:41:01.120] I can hear you.
[01:41:01.120 --> 01:41:03.280] Okay, good, good, good.
[01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:05.000] Yeah, crowing right.
[01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:13.840] Well, number one, talking about the Houston Chronicle on that video, I had a reporter
[01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:22.680] from the Houston Chronicle attach me to the Southern Poverty Law Center, post the ad
[01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:28.280] on the internet and then called me to ask me if I could get his approval and I never
[01:41:28.280 --> 01:41:29.280] gave him approval.
[01:41:29.280 --> 01:41:33.360] I could sue him straight up.
[01:41:33.360 --> 01:41:38.320] So that's another, that's more fodder for your buddy there.
[01:41:38.320 --> 01:41:41.200] We can, we should talk.
[01:41:41.200 --> 01:41:47.400] Now as far as bragging rights here on the last ticket, I got a ticket on one of my cars
[01:41:47.400 --> 01:41:55.120] for my tags and stuff and I went and submitted my motions and all that and the prosecutor,
[01:41:55.120 --> 01:41:58.680] I've been in front of the prosecutor three times so far.
[01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:03.720] Every time I go in front of the court here, I win.
[01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:12.000] So I woke up and I told little Brad, I said, hey Brad, it's good to see you because I've
[01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.600] got a good attitude going towards, I know I'm right, I'm in the right, I'm using the
[01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:22.680] very law that I'm beating them over the head with because they're going with policy and
[01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:27.840] I'm going in with state law that trumps everything that they're doing.
[01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.560] So boom, I know I'm correct.
[01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:36.520] And then, so I talked to the prosecutor like, hey, he's my best friend, right?
[01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:42.200] And so I shook his hand and he looks at me and he says, well, Mr. Rooster, I'm going
[01:42:42.200 --> 01:42:45.080] to go ahead and ask him to dismiss this case here.
[01:42:45.080 --> 01:42:50.880] It's just a fact that I'm not prepared to do right now and it's not because of the motions
[01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:51.880] that you submitted.
[01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:56.880] I just want you to know that and we know dang good and well it was because of the motions
[01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:04.000] because he specifically stated, I know you say that you're not engaged in commerce and
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:10.240] you're not an operator and if you want to run around without your tags on your car,
[01:43:10.240 --> 01:43:16.080] I understand, you just, we just may see you back up in here one day.
[01:43:16.080 --> 01:43:23.400] And by this time, I'm patting the city attorney on the shoulder telling him, I understand.
[01:43:23.400 --> 01:43:25.460] And thank you very much.
[01:43:25.460 --> 01:43:26.920] Have a good day.
[01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:31.400] I'm in and out in five minutes with normally I'm dead last.
[01:43:31.400 --> 01:43:34.400] They want to get me out of there so fast they can't stand it.
[01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:41.440] I'm laughing all the way to the car and then I get outside and I call you.
[01:43:41.440 --> 01:43:45.440] This is how it works when you do it right.
[01:43:45.440 --> 01:43:52.600] When you never lose your cool, you never get angry and you never run off the cliff at the
[01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:54.720] end of the show, end of the segment.
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[01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:33.680] Okay, we are back, Brenda Kelton, Rule of Law Radio and we're talking to Scott in Texas.
[01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:39.920] I hate to cut you short because you got crowing rights but we do need to move on where we
[01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:43.560] only got one segment and we got two more callers.
[01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:52.720] So Scott came in, he followed the rules, he followed their rules and when they broke their
[01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:58.080] rules, he stung them good.
[01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:03.480] It wasn't this judge that you filed the criminal charges with the grand jury against, was it?
[01:47:03.480 --> 01:47:05.480] No, no.
[01:47:05.480 --> 01:47:11.640] This judge, I was getting ready to set him up to file charges on all these guys and the
[01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:16.880] prosecutor, he stood, the city attorney stood down to his credit.
[01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:24.400] I give him credit for standing down and not wanting to proceed to antagonize me any further
[01:47:24.400 --> 01:47:29.360] because I was going to bring charges against everybody that stood in my way for violating
[01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:30.360] the law.
[01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:34.680] Now let me just touch on one other thing because I did go ahead and indict the cop that smashed
[01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:37.320] in my window Wednesday.
[01:47:37.320 --> 01:47:42.120] Now I went down to the Dallas County grand jury and turned in the criminal indictment.
[01:47:42.120 --> 01:47:48.400] Now this is funny because the guy, the bailiff of the grand jury, he had never seen this
[01:47:48.400 --> 01:47:51.480] happen in the 30 years that he had worked there.
[01:47:51.480 --> 01:47:56.680] He had never had a person come in there and hand him a criminal complaint and the guy
[01:47:56.680 --> 01:48:01.400] was confused, didn't know what to do, had to go see him out finding his boss, couldn't
[01:48:01.400 --> 01:48:05.000] find his boss and come back and he was like, I don't know what to do.
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.880] And I said, sir, it is my understanding, you are the bailiff of the grand jury.
[01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:09.880] He said, yes, I am.
[01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:14.920] Well, it is my understanding, according to the law, that I give you this criminal complaint
[01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:19.360] and you give this criminal complaint to the foreman of the grand jury and the foreman
[01:48:19.360 --> 01:48:24.720] of the grand jury will present it to the grand jury and they will decide how to proceed.
[01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:27.560] Now are you refusing to take my criminal complaint?
[01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:33.240] He hemholed it around for about 10 minutes, but he finally took it and wanted to make
[01:48:33.240 --> 01:48:38.920] sure he made a point that he was not standing in my way and he was handing it to the head
[01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:44.880] prosecutor that just happened to be there and I said, thank you, sir, have a good day.
[01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:48.760] Before he asked that, he was trying to get all goofy with me and he goes, what's this
[01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:49.760] criminal complaint about?
[01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:55.200] I said, it's a criminal complaint against a public official and he backed up and said,
[01:48:55.200 --> 01:49:00.600] oh, and that's when he took my complaint and we departed.
[01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:01.600] Wonderful.
[01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:07.680] This is how we take our system back.
[01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:16.040] One public official at a time and this is the police officer, you charged him with breaking
[01:49:16.040 --> 01:49:21.680] out your window and this is the one where you had a video of him that got 1.8 million
[01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:22.680] hits on YouTube.
[01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:31.400] That's correct and I put it aggravated assault on him, Texas Penal Code 22.02.
[01:49:31.400 --> 01:49:34.120] This is how we take our system back.
[01:49:34.120 --> 01:49:40.640] Now, regardless of what happens with that, they're going to call this officer and say,
[01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:41.640] what is going on?
[01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:47.400] Why is this guy trying to get me to get you indicted for first degree felony aggravated
[01:49:47.400 --> 01:49:48.400] assault?
[01:49:48.400 --> 01:49:53.040] This is going to scare the butt Jesus out of this guy.
[01:49:53.040 --> 01:49:58.600] He's going to see the likelihood of him going to prison for a long time for breaking out
[01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:01.720] your window.
[01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:08.900] This one incident may stop police officers from breaking out windows in Dallas and maybe
[01:50:08.900 --> 01:50:16.200] all over Texas because these other policemen are not going to want to risk indictment.
[01:50:16.200 --> 01:50:26.080] Sure, they're pretty certain they won't get indicted, but who wants to play Russian roulette?
[01:50:26.080 --> 01:50:31.160] I went into my prosecuting attorney one day and he sat there with his head in his hand.
[01:50:31.160 --> 01:50:34.880] I said, what's the matter, Greg?
[01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:43.320] He said, those darn grand jurors, you never know what they're going to do.
[01:50:43.320 --> 01:50:47.600] And I thought, there is a God.
[01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:53.800] This is the district attorney who feels as though he never knows what a grand jury will
[01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:55.800] do.
[01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:05.160] If ever there was a ideal deterrent to misbehavior by public officials, that's it.
[01:51:05.160 --> 01:51:11.800] All this nonsense about any prosecutor worth his salt can get a ham sandwich indicted,
[01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:12.800] maybe.
[01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:16.760] But how about keeping the ham sandwich from getting indicted?
[01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:20.240] Try that one on, guys.
[01:51:20.240 --> 01:51:22.640] So this is how we'll get our system back.
[01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:29.280] We can get more people doing this, and Scott is beginning to have the problem that I warned
[01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:31.960] everybody about.
[01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:34.280] It's getting to be way too much fun.
[01:51:34.280 --> 01:51:37.640] Isn't that right, Scott?
[01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:39.080] Yes, sir.
[01:51:39.080 --> 01:51:40.920] I am eating this up.
[01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:43.280] Now I have gotten things to you.
[01:51:43.280 --> 01:51:49.240] I'll give you all the credit, but I'm telling you, now you start to see the system for what
[01:51:49.240 --> 01:51:55.560] it is, and you start to be able to, you get the ability to start setting them up.
[01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:57.000] You're like playing chess.
[01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:00.400] You're four or five moves ahead of these people.
[01:52:00.400 --> 01:52:04.560] You're waiting for them to screw up because it's like, oh yeah, got you on this one, got
[01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:06.560] you on this one, got you on this one.
[01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:11.080] And then let's just keep playing, because they're just sinking themselves in the hole
[01:52:11.080 --> 01:52:15.480] further and further because you're in the right, and they're just in the wrong, going
[01:52:15.480 --> 01:52:17.200] wronger and wronger.
[01:52:17.200 --> 01:52:18.200] That's just how it is.
[01:52:18.200 --> 01:52:23.560] Oh, and one other thing I got to tell you, I talked to Michael Rivero on What Really
[01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:27.000] Happened radio, and he wants to have you on his show.
[01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:31.000] It's a syndicated show, and he's looking forward to it.
[01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:34.680] You already should have an email from him, because I talked to him today promoting this
[01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:40.600] show, and there's other people that are actually talking about your show, this show, on his
[01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:41.600] show.
[01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.920] So that's a good sign, and I know you got to go, I got to go.
[01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:48.480] So have a good evening, and I will talk to you tomorrow.
[01:52:48.480 --> 01:52:49.480] Bye.
[01:52:49.480 --> 01:52:50.480] Thank you.
[01:52:50.480 --> 01:52:51.800] Thank you, Scott, for your good work.
[01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:57.640] Okay, now we're going to go to Mark in Wisconsin, and sorry, I keep cutting you short, Mark.
[01:52:57.640 --> 01:52:59.440] Okay, you are on.
[01:52:59.440 --> 01:53:01.920] All right, that's fine.
[01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:07.600] This is about the Jack Legg real estate agent.
[01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:14.520] First thing that happened of interest, the real estate agent's sign got vandalized, and
[01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:20.560] sent a letter to the homeowner saying that they wanted them to pay the bill, because
[01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:25.960] the money that they'd spent just paying them would instead be spending on lawyers to fight
[01:53:25.960 --> 01:53:26.960] the bill.
[01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:34.480] Now, I don't think that arises to extortion, but does the extortion charge while it applies
[01:53:34.480 --> 01:53:41.480] to attorneys who overreach writing aggressive letters, does that apply to other people when
[01:53:41.480 --> 01:53:44.760] they write pseudo-demand letters?
[01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:50.720] Well, I would think of it in the context of a licensed professional.
[01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:52.440] All right, great.
[01:53:52.440 --> 01:53:55.360] Then I got a second part here.
[01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:56.360] Because...
[01:53:56.360 --> 01:54:03.880] For those who didn't catch the meaning of that, the real estate agent and the lawyer
[01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.760] are both licensed professionals.
[01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:08.760] That's what I was referring to.
[01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:09.760] Okay, good.
[01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:10.760] Right.
[01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:14.320] All right, the second part is much more fun.
[01:54:14.320 --> 01:54:20.280] In Wisconsin, 183 is the LLC incorporation statute, and it says you've got to have a
[01:54:20.280 --> 01:54:23.560] registered office and a registered agent.
[01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:28.280] This person's listed a UPS store for the registered office.
[01:54:28.280 --> 01:54:38.040] Of course, UPS doesn't take process service, so it doesn't really function as a registered
[01:54:38.040 --> 01:54:39.040] office.
[01:54:39.040 --> 01:54:44.440] What I'm looking at is if I approach the court, do I approach a court with an injunction to
[01:54:44.440 --> 01:54:50.640] have the business declared invalid or a writ of mandamus to order the Wisconsin Department
[01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:54.360] of Financial Institutions to declare the business invalid?
[01:54:54.360 --> 01:55:02.320] Because once the business is declared invalid, the 452.10 application verification fees for
[01:55:02.320 --> 01:55:06.360] being a realtor gets kicked in, notably 452.10.1.
[01:55:06.360 --> 01:55:10.280] An application shall be verified by the applicant.
[01:55:10.280 --> 01:55:14.120] If made by a business entity, it shall be verified by a business representative.
[01:55:14.120 --> 01:55:19.360] Of course, if there's no business entity, it can't be verified, and the whole thing
[01:55:19.360 --> 01:55:22.360] unravels.
[01:55:22.360 --> 01:55:26.720] What do I do with an injunction or a writ of mandamus to a judge?
[01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:42.360] Wait a minute, who is the agency to whom the licensee is to report, or who's the governing
[01:55:42.360 --> 01:55:45.360] agency?
[01:55:45.360 --> 01:55:56.000] There's the local realtor board, but there's also Wisconsin's licensing, and I email Wisconsin.
[01:55:56.000 --> 01:56:00.640] That's the one I'm going to, file a complaint with the licensing board.
[01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:07.720] Generally, licensing agencies have more power and are more likely to wield that power against
[01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:10.240] licensees than a court is.
[01:56:10.240 --> 01:56:18.320] Okay, because I've tried to get the licensing, the business licensing board, aka Wisconsin
[01:56:18.320 --> 01:56:23.880] Department of Financial Institutions, to look, this is an utterly bogus filing, dissolve
[01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:30.040] this business, do something, and I got promoted up to the vice president looking out the window
[01:56:30.040 --> 01:56:35.200] on Tuesday, and his reaction was, no, we're not going to do that.
[01:56:35.200 --> 01:56:37.240] Then file against him.
[01:56:37.240 --> 01:56:38.240] Okay.
[01:56:38.240 --> 01:56:44.280] Official oppression, or official misconduct, it's probably official misconduct in Wisconsin.
[01:56:44.280 --> 01:56:45.280] Okay.
[01:56:45.280 --> 01:56:49.040] Failing to perform a duty he's required to perform.
[01:56:49.040 --> 01:56:50.040] Okay.
[01:56:50.040 --> 01:56:55.880] Well, then would that go to just the writ of mandamus, going, I asked them to perform
[01:56:55.880 --> 01:57:01.800] this duty, they did not, therefore, I, court, order you to order them to do their job?
[01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:02.800] Yes.
[01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:06.080] Now you're set up for a mandamus.
[01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:13.800] Once you went to them, and you need to do a complaint to them in writing.
[01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.200] Oh, not a problem.
[01:57:16.200 --> 01:57:19.400] So it's not a he said, she said.
[01:57:19.400 --> 01:57:24.800] Once you get the failure to perform, then you take the failure to perform to the court
[01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:30.840] and ask the court to order them to perform their duty, and also file a complaint against
[01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:38.120] the official at the same time, and it gives the court some leverage, say, I got this complaint
[01:57:38.120 --> 01:57:42.880] against you, you to get this done, or I'm going to process this complaint, we're going
[01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:45.880] to kick your behind.
[01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:46.880] Wonderful.
[01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:49.680] Oh, that is so much fun.
[01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:50.680] Yes.
[01:57:50.680 --> 01:57:56.480] Well, I wanted to make sure I dotted my I's and crossed my T's.
[01:57:56.480 --> 01:57:57.480] All right.
[01:57:57.480 --> 01:58:01.000] Thank you much for taking my call tonight, Randy.
[01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:02.000] Okay.
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:03.000] Thank you, Mark.
[01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:05.000] And your timing is perfect.
[01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.480] This is Randy Kelton, Wheel of Law Radio.
[01:58:07.480 --> 01:58:11.680] David, I'm sorry, I won't be able to get you to you today.
[01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:20.200] If you have something that's real critical, send me an email at randyatruleoflawradio.com,
[01:58:20.200 --> 01:58:24.880] and I will do my best to answer it once we're off there.
[01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:26.320] Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:26.320 --> 01:58:30.280] We'll be back next week, Thursday and Friday.
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[01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:38.600] We had some last night and had to pull the plug on the show, and we had some this week,
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