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[01:41.960 --> 01:45.700]  The International Monetary Fund stated today that the global economy is highly vulnerable
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[02:54.760 --> 03:18.640]  This was your Lowdown for February 24th, 2016.
[03:18.640 --> 03:40.400]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Rue La Radio, and we're talking to Chris in Pennsylvania.
[03:40.400 --> 03:51.520]  Okay, Chris, I have the Fannie Mae Fruity Mac Uniform Instrument for Pennsylvania.
[03:51.520 --> 03:59.560]  And apparently, Pennsylvania is not a deed of trust state, but is a mortgage state.
[03:59.560 --> 04:00.560]  Correct.
[04:00.560 --> 04:03.520]  Yeah, this is a mortgage.
[04:03.520 --> 04:11.200]  So I'm looking at the document and in the Uniform Instrument, there's no reference
[04:11.200 --> 04:12.200]  to MERS.
[04:12.200 --> 04:20.880]  Now, I have seen documents that are designated Fannie Mae Fruity Mac Uniform Instrument with
[04:20.880 --> 04:26.920]  MERS, but I can't find any on the Fannie Mae Fruity Mac website.
[04:26.920 --> 04:39.640]  Do you know if your mortgage is labeled the 3039 Uniform Instrument form 3039 or Uniform
[04:39.640 --> 04:43.280]  Instrument 3039 with MERS?
[04:43.280 --> 04:47.320]  I believe it's a 3039 with MERS.
[04:47.320 --> 04:48.320]  Okay.
[04:48.320 --> 04:56.600]  I haven't, I can't find that on Fannie Mae's site.
[04:56.600 --> 05:05.960]  So it's labeled in the footer as a Fannie Mae Fruity Mac Uniform Instrument, but is
[05:05.960 --> 05:08.520]  it a Uniform Instrument?
[05:08.520 --> 05:17.040]  And that's important because this is, if this is a Uniform Instrument, you have a right
[05:17.040 --> 05:27.200]  to a reasonable expectation that everything in it is ordinary and normal.
[05:27.200 --> 05:28.200]  I'm sorry.
[05:28.200 --> 05:31.640]  The term I was looking for is regular.
[05:31.640 --> 05:40.920]  So because it is the standard contract that most everybody uses, you would not reasonably
[05:40.920 --> 05:49.520]  need to read and scour every word and every sentence quite so carefully as you would if
[05:49.520 --> 05:53.860]  it were some document made up by the lender.
[05:53.860 --> 06:01.720]  So by using this header, this footer, they would mislead you into thinking this was a
[06:01.720 --> 06:04.480]  Uniform Instrument when it may well not be.
[06:04.480 --> 06:05.480]  Right.
[06:05.480 --> 06:11.280]  Am I making sense there?
[06:11.280 --> 06:12.280]  Yeah.
[06:12.280 --> 06:15.280]  Oh yeah.
[06:15.280 --> 06:23.360]  Earlier on when we were earlier in the process of going after these issues, this is one of
[06:23.360 --> 06:33.000]  the issues we took up that's in some of my pleadings that not only that the document
[06:33.000 --> 06:46.480]  is not a Fannie Mae Uniform Instrument, but that the document is too vague to be enforceable.
[06:46.480 --> 06:48.520]  Right.
[06:48.520 --> 06:56.480]  If there's vagueness in a document, the responsibility for the vagueness goes to the creator of the
[06:56.480 --> 06:57.480]  document.
[06:57.480 --> 06:58.480]  Right.
[06:58.480 --> 07:10.040]  That was my contra-preferendum for you, which is basically, you know, ambiguities are to
[07:10.040 --> 07:12.320]  be construed unsavable to the drafter.
[07:12.320 --> 07:13.320]  Yeah.
[07:13.320 --> 07:14.320]  Okay.
[07:14.320 --> 07:18.560]  That's the verbiage I was looking for and it was in there somewhere, but I lost referential
[07:18.560 --> 07:19.560]  index.
[07:19.560 --> 07:23.840]  As you get older, you lose referential index when you sleep.
[07:23.840 --> 07:35.000]  I think it seeps out your ears, but yes, any ambiguity in the contract is attributed to
[07:35.000 --> 07:36.000]  the creator.
[07:36.000 --> 07:44.000]  So you came to the table and the lender brought this document and put it in front of you.
[07:44.000 --> 07:49.280]  So if it's not understandable, then that's the lender's problem and we've made that argument
[07:49.280 --> 07:52.280]  a time or two.
[07:52.280 --> 07:53.280]  Right.
[07:53.280 --> 07:54.280]  Yeah.
[07:54.280 --> 08:02.640]  That was the whole gist of that being fraud on its face, you know, we've gone...
[08:02.640 --> 08:06.560]  Have you attacked the document separately?
[08:06.560 --> 08:11.600]  What are you in court with now on the foreclosure?
[08:11.600 --> 08:12.600]  We're in court now.
[08:12.600 --> 08:18.920]  We're just waiting for the motion to reconsider his summary judgment based on the fact that
[08:18.920 --> 08:35.320]  it wasn't placed with a brief, even though the bank's statements were addressed as for
[08:35.320 --> 08:38.720]  their summary judgment, there just was no brief.
[08:38.720 --> 08:44.680]  Did they give you opportunity to file a brief?
[08:44.680 --> 08:47.040]  No, they did not.
[08:47.040 --> 08:53.000]  Well, they gave us time, she just didn't get in.
[08:53.000 --> 08:54.000]  She thought...
[08:54.000 --> 08:58.720]  She didn't notice that the judge asked for a brief, he is looking for an answer to the
[08:58.720 --> 09:01.160]  response by the bank.
[09:01.160 --> 09:04.080]  Oh, okay.
[09:04.080 --> 09:05.080]  So that's...
[09:05.080 --> 09:06.080]  You still...
[09:06.080 --> 09:11.560]  You're just setting the record for appeal.
[09:11.560 --> 09:13.600]  Correct.
[09:13.600 --> 09:17.520]  So you have the issue with no answer from the bank.
[09:17.520 --> 09:22.320]  Did the bank initially respond with a motion to dismiss?
[09:22.320 --> 09:23.720]  Yeah.
[09:23.720 --> 09:29.160]  Well, they responded with...
[09:29.160 --> 09:31.920]  Let me rephrase that question.
[09:31.920 --> 09:41.360]  Did the bank respond with a motion to dismiss within the time limit for filing an answer?
[09:41.360 --> 09:43.360]  No.
[09:43.360 --> 09:44.360]  They did not.
[09:44.360 --> 09:54.840]  It was in July, we placed the answers to their summary judgment, and it was just three weeks
[09:54.840 --> 09:57.480]  ago we heard of his judgment.
[09:57.480 --> 10:05.400]  He just made judgment on that with no responses from the bank in between that.
[10:05.400 --> 10:12.080]  So you filed a motion for summary judgment and the bank did not demur to it, didn't object
[10:12.080 --> 10:13.080]  to it?
[10:13.080 --> 10:14.080]  No.
[10:14.080 --> 10:20.560]  The bank put in a motion for summary judgment based on the fact that there was no evidence
[10:20.560 --> 10:28.080]  warranting the continuance of the case.
[10:28.080 --> 10:37.360]  So the judge ruled in favor of the bank, not for reasons of no evidence, but for reasons
[10:37.360 --> 10:48.440]  of no submission of a brief to the answers why there was legitimate evidence to continue
[10:48.440 --> 10:51.440]  the case.
[10:51.440 --> 10:56.360]  Does that make sense?
[10:56.360 --> 10:57.640]  I'm not sure.
[10:57.640 --> 11:02.040]  I need to back up and see where the case actually was.
[11:02.040 --> 11:13.760]  You had a unanswered petition that wasn't answered within the time limit and the judge
[11:13.760 --> 11:23.120]  allowed the bank to continue even though they failed to meet a filing deadline.
[11:23.120 --> 11:25.840]  No.
[11:25.840 --> 11:32.400]  We were in discovery and the bank did not file, they gave us the answer to our interrogatory.
[11:32.400 --> 11:33.880]  No, wait, hold on, hold on.
[11:33.880 --> 11:39.240]  You said the bank didn't file an answer to the lawsuit.
[11:39.240 --> 11:42.680]  They filed a motion for summary judgment instead.
[11:42.680 --> 11:46.440]  A motion for summary judgment can take the place of an answer.
[11:46.440 --> 11:52.880]  Because the court will say if there's cause for summary judgment, it would be an undue
[11:52.880 --> 11:56.600]  imposition on the defendant to have to prepare an answer.
[11:56.600 --> 12:04.120]  So you can file that motion for summary judgment, but it has to be filed within the time limit
[12:04.120 --> 12:06.520]  allowed to file an answer.
[12:06.520 --> 12:14.120]  So you're saying they didn't get their summary judgment in within the time limit, but the
[12:14.120 --> 12:17.320]  judge allowed it anyway.
[12:17.320 --> 12:18.320]  I believe so.
[12:18.320 --> 12:23.080]  The court wasn't aware of the time limit to file a summary judgment.
[12:23.080 --> 12:31.720]  The first response must either be an answer or a summary judgment can stand in place of
[12:31.720 --> 12:32.720]  an answer.
[12:32.720 --> 12:39.760]  If you're ruled against on the summary judgment, then you have to get the answer in.
[12:39.760 --> 12:47.240]  Within the 20 days, when the summary judgment is filed, the clock stops.
[12:47.240 --> 12:50.720]  When the summary judgment is dismissed, the clock starts again.
[12:50.720 --> 12:59.440]  So if they file it on the 19th day, you got one more day to file an answer.
[12:59.440 --> 13:04.720]  So in this case, they didn't file an answer.
[13:04.720 --> 13:10.240]  They filed a motion for summary judgment, but the summary judgment was not within the
[13:10.240 --> 13:16.800]  time limit that they had to file it, so it was out of time.
[13:16.800 --> 13:19.400]  And the court allowed it.
[13:19.400 --> 13:26.360]  Now they're claiming that your lawyer failed to get a brief in within the time limit and
[13:26.360 --> 13:31.200]  they didn't allow that.
[13:31.200 --> 13:36.000]  Great thing to go to the Court of Appeals with.
[13:36.000 --> 13:43.440]  Well we're still waiting on her motion to strike his judgment based on no brief because
[13:43.440 --> 13:52.400]  it was, in Pennsylvania it's only sanctionable through fines, it's not what should produce
[13:52.400 --> 13:58.160]  a judgment on the case.
[13:58.160 --> 14:05.760]  And that's reasonable because it's unreasonable to rule when you have no evidence.
[14:05.760 --> 14:09.760]  Okay, so let me understand this.
[14:09.760 --> 14:16.600]  Did the judge dismiss instead of sanction?
[14:16.600 --> 14:19.200]  He dismissed instead of sanction, correct.
[14:19.200 --> 14:23.880]  Okay, and you're saying that he didn't have power to dismiss.
[14:23.880 --> 14:26.920]  No, not for not entering a brief.
[14:26.920 --> 14:34.880]  We entered an answer to the summary judgment, timely, which she believed there was no need
[14:34.880 --> 14:43.440]  for a brief, and in essence he wanted a brief, didn't make that clear, and six months later
[14:43.440 --> 14:49.440]  after entering this he's now come to a judgment on the summary judgment in favor of the bank
[14:49.440 --> 14:54.120]  for no brief, not because we didn't show evidence.
[14:54.120 --> 15:02.120]  Okay, so he didn't rule on the merits.
[15:02.120 --> 15:10.680]  Sometimes I listen to these cases and it sounds like the lawyers are just trying to keep the
[15:10.680 --> 15:13.800]  case going, and it sounds like the judge is helping.
[15:13.800 --> 15:20.520]  Why would they, it doesn't make sense that the court would do that, because all it does
[15:20.520 --> 15:25.640]  is add to the foment litigation.
[15:25.640 --> 15:34.360]  All right, we're wondering why he didn't make ruling on the essence that we have plenty
[15:34.360 --> 15:39.360]  of evidence why this case should be going, because of the things that appear on the assignment
[15:39.360 --> 15:51.400]  as well as my interaction with the homeowner's insurance, showing that the chain of title
[15:51.400 --> 15:53.080]  has been broken several times.
[15:53.080 --> 15:59.120]  We're not even sure if this bank, and then there's Fannie Mae being told or being claimed
[15:59.120 --> 16:05.400]  as the lender by the bank, so there's all this ambiguity in here as to who the real
[16:05.400 --> 16:07.400]  lender is.
[16:07.400 --> 16:12.160]  The bank's making a statement there merely collecting a debt for the lender, and the
[16:12.160 --> 16:17.560]  bank is saying that they have a mortgage and a note.
[16:17.560 --> 16:29.160]  Okay, has there been an actual foreclosure, or is this a defense to a foreclosure?
[16:29.160 --> 16:31.960]  This is a defense to a foreclosure.
[16:31.960 --> 16:38.000]  Okay, so they haven't sold the property yet, and that's sales, so good.
[16:38.000 --> 16:42.960]  Come back when I talk about quiet title.
[16:42.960 --> 16:43.960]  Hang on.
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[19:48.400 --> 19:55.080]  We are back, Brandy Kelton, Louisville Radio, and our call-in number is 512-646-1984.
[19:55.080 --> 20:01.000]  Our call boards are empty tonight, I guess I put everybody to sleep with that e-book
[20:01.000 --> 20:07.220]  presentation, but if anybody's waking up, you might want to call in, it tends to build
[20:07.220 --> 20:13.480]  up toward the end, and so we have plenty of room, so give us a call.
[20:13.480 --> 20:18.560]  We're talking to Chris in Pennsylvania.
[20:18.560 --> 20:22.640]  Brandy, I'm seriously keep searching my Kindle for your e-book.
[20:22.640 --> 20:28.840]  Oh, I don't have it, I'm still working on it, I'm still building it, that's what this
[20:28.840 --> 20:31.960]  presentation was about.
[20:31.960 --> 20:38.360]  I'm trying to get some of these, these are issues that I haven't talked about before,
[20:38.360 --> 20:49.960]  so while I understand the issues, I haven't presented them, and in this case, I'm talking
[20:49.960 --> 20:58.160]  to a microphone, I can't see my listeners, so if it sounds like I'm struggling in the
[20:58.160 --> 21:06.720]  presentation, then that's correct, I am struggling in the presentation, but you have read some
[21:06.720 --> 21:13.960]  of the new English programming materials, which of the books have you been through?
[21:13.960 --> 21:22.440]  I've been through the Frog and the Prince you've given me, I've also downloaded a slew
[21:22.440 --> 21:31.000]  of books on my Kindle that talk about the therapeutic use of it, you know, through pacing
[21:31.000 --> 21:39.960]  and leading and then setting focal points and going on to change how you think about
[21:39.960 --> 21:44.080]  something.
[21:44.080 --> 21:56.160]  One of the issues that I was looking to go to on the Artful Vegas section was the information
[21:56.160 --> 22:01.240]  you'll find in Structures of Magic, have you read that one?
[22:01.240 --> 22:07.800]  Yes, that's one in the book, in my Kindle that I have to read yet.
[22:07.800 --> 22:18.760]  Okay, Structures of Magic, it's kind of dry as gunpowder, it was a book written by therapists
[22:18.760 --> 22:30.520]  for therapists and they studied language as it's used in therapy.
[22:30.520 --> 22:37.760]  This is a tool I use on occasion on the show, it's called, they call this the Meta Model
[22:37.760 --> 22:45.400]  and the portion of this I was going to talk about in the eBook, I probably won't go into
[22:45.400 --> 22:51.480]  the application of the Meta Model, although it is extremely powerful.
[22:51.480 --> 23:05.840]  The Meta Model is a procedure whereby you enter no content to a situation.
[23:05.840 --> 23:09.760]  There have been a few times when I've had people call into the show that frightened
[23:09.760 --> 23:17.160]  me because they were so distraught that I was afraid they were going to hang up and
[23:17.160 --> 23:21.040]  go out and shoot themselves or something or do something horrible.
[23:21.040 --> 23:27.160]  There's been about three or four times like that on the show where I got someone that
[23:27.160 --> 23:38.280]  was in serious need of help and when I get that I shift into the Meta Model and the Meta
[23:38.280 --> 23:42.520]  Model pays attention to deep structures and surface structures.
[23:42.520 --> 23:55.200]  In the earlier presentation I talked about unspecified objects, verbs and I think pronouns
[23:55.200 --> 24:06.080]  where you leave out information or a conversational, not a conversational parcel, for the most
[24:06.080 --> 24:13.040]  part when you're being artfully vague, you're leaving things out and the Meta Model goes
[24:13.040 --> 24:18.160]  to the deleted deep structure.
[24:18.160 --> 24:25.960]  You speak in surface structures but those surface structures in order to be able to
[24:25.960 --> 24:34.480]  understand them, a natural speaker of the language understands that there are deep structures
[24:34.480 --> 24:40.440]  that give meaning to the surface structures like when I said he says he really made me
[24:40.440 --> 24:41.440]  mad.
[24:41.440 --> 24:43.600]  Well, that's a distortion deletion.
[24:43.600 --> 24:56.360]  It's a distortion because I have taken a process acting in a way that we describe as angry.
[24:56.360 --> 25:03.360]  The description of this process is a nominalization where we take a process and turn it into a
[25:03.360 --> 25:04.360]  noun.
[25:04.360 --> 25:15.160]  So I use the nominalization mad and that goes to what we talked about earlier is a, losing
[25:15.160 --> 25:27.960]  the term, oh I hate when this happens and this gets worse as I get older, a complex
[25:27.960 --> 25:36.720]  equivalent where when you create a nominalization, when you take a process of acting in a way
[25:36.720 --> 25:46.720]  that we would term as angry and we call it angry, we have deleted the actual process
[25:46.720 --> 25:53.800]  from our speech and only given this label and we expect the natural speaker of the language
[25:53.800 --> 26:01.840]  to go recover that deep structure and create meaning for the nominalization angry.
[26:01.840 --> 26:13.060]  Well, in the Manna Model, instead of offering anything to the individual, you use questions
[26:13.060 --> 26:17.360]  to try to elicit the deep structure.
[26:17.360 --> 26:28.080]  So when he says that he really made me angry, well how did you act when you got angry?
[26:28.080 --> 26:35.360]  I'm taking their own terminology and ask them to be more specific or ask them to fill
[26:35.360 --> 26:44.400]  in the deletions that they left out of the surface structures.
[26:44.400 --> 26:49.400]  It's very powerful when you're, like if the wife comes in and she's really angry and it
[26:49.400 --> 26:52.880]  took me a long time to understand this about women, you know, we're guys and we want to
[26:52.880 --> 26:55.440]  fix everything.
[26:55.440 --> 27:00.720]  Not asking you to fix everything.
[27:00.720 --> 27:05.800]  So if you can't do the normal thing and fix everything, what do you do?
[27:05.800 --> 27:14.800]  You pull out the Manna Model and when they use distortions or deletions, you ask them
[27:14.800 --> 27:21.480]  questions to elicit the information they left out and what that does to an individual is
[27:21.480 --> 27:30.000]  it presses them to go in and gather up for themselves a more complete representation
[27:30.000 --> 27:34.160]  of what they're feeling or thinking.
[27:34.160 --> 27:42.720]  The deletions, distortions and nominalizations of ordinary speech are not only deleted from
[27:42.720 --> 27:51.160]  the listener, they're also often deleted from the speaker as watching a program on the unreliability
[27:51.160 --> 28:02.800]  of witnesses and the unreliability of memory and some research, relatively recent research,
[28:02.800 --> 28:06.640]  they've made some astonishing discoveries.
[28:06.640 --> 28:14.440]  You know, we have people that are over a hundred years old and they have a very good memory.
[28:14.440 --> 28:22.400]  They can remember a hundred years worth of experience and we look at that and say, my
[28:22.400 --> 28:26.960]  goodness, that is an incredible amount of memory.
[28:26.960 --> 28:33.240]  Well, it may not be quite like we think it is.
[28:33.240 --> 28:46.440]  It appears that when we access a memory that we essentially delete it and replace it with
[28:46.440 --> 28:48.840]  our current memory of the event.
[28:48.840 --> 28:55.920]  Say someone tells me a story, it's a great story about something happening and then I
[28:55.920 --> 28:58.140]  tell it to somebody else.
[28:58.140 --> 29:05.640]  When I tell the story to somebody else, if it's not important where I got the story,
[29:05.640 --> 29:12.560]  then I delete that from the story and it turns out what the memory does is when I extract
[29:12.560 --> 29:20.880]  the memory, it erases it and then when I experience the memory, it puts it back.
[29:20.880 --> 29:28.600]  So it only keeps, instead of me remembering, remembering and then remembering, remembering,
[29:28.600 --> 29:34.000]  remembering all of the times that I told the story, it just remembers the last instance
[29:34.000 --> 29:40.160]  and it tends to save what's relevant at the moment.
[29:40.160 --> 29:46.360]  So it tends to erase the information that was otherwise very relevant because we didn't
[29:46.360 --> 29:49.080]  include it in this incarnation of the memory.
[29:49.080 --> 29:55.280]  I hope that's making sense, but it helps to explain a lot of these anomalies that we see
[29:55.280 --> 29:57.440]  in human behavior.
[29:57.440 --> 29:58.440]  Hang on.
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[33:07.040 --> 33:30.160]  Okay, we are back at Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio and we're talking to Chris in Pennsylvania
[33:30.160 --> 33:39.680]  and I know this sounds kind of way out there but it really fits and it makes a lot of pieces
[33:39.680 --> 33:40.680]  fit together.
[33:40.680 --> 33:50.400]  They did some experiments with rats where they exposed the rat to certain experiences
[33:50.400 --> 34:00.920]  and they had developed a chemical that if they injected the rat with it, rat would be
[34:00.920 --> 34:10.120]  unable to store memories so they could expose it to situations once they give it this chemical
[34:10.120 --> 34:15.440]  and then come back and expose it to that situation again it would have no memory like they could
[34:15.440 --> 34:19.600]  give it an electric shock and it would run away and be frightened and then next time
[34:19.600 --> 34:26.800]  it wouldn't be frightened at all because it would forget it and then they exposed the
[34:26.800 --> 34:32.280]  rat without the chemical to an electric shock where when you tried to get food it shocked
[34:32.280 --> 34:41.480]  him and he would run back and hide and then they gave him this, the rat this chemical
[34:41.480 --> 34:52.120]  and exposed him to the same thing and the rat went up, got shocked, ran away and then
[34:52.120 --> 34:59.760]  the next time they put the rat in the cage it ran up, got shocked, ran away, had no memory
[34:59.760 --> 35:02.920]  of being shocked before.
[35:02.920 --> 35:11.840]  So it had the memory and it activated the memory when they put this threat in front
[35:11.840 --> 35:19.680]  of it and when they blocked its ability to store the memory they found the memory had
[35:19.680 --> 35:24.760]  erased itself.
[35:24.760 --> 35:27.800]  It was not expected.
[35:27.800 --> 35:35.320]  That was not an outcome they anticipated that when the rat extracted the memory he actually
[35:35.320 --> 35:41.880]  took it out and then when they blocked it he couldn't put it back and it's important
[35:41.880 --> 35:42.880]  to understand that.
[35:42.880 --> 35:49.240]  I get people coming on the show and they're very distraught.
[35:49.240 --> 35:56.040]  We ask them, you've heard me ask people for timelines.
[35:56.040 --> 36:01.360]  I had to go to timelines because I can't ask for a statement of facts.
[36:01.360 --> 36:08.880]  If I ask for a statement of facts what I do is I force people to go relive the bad experiences
[36:08.880 --> 36:19.120]  that they had and they pull these bad experiences out and they've done this a hundred times.
[36:19.120 --> 36:21.800]  We go over these things.
[36:21.800 --> 36:29.800]  We have the experience initially and we don't pay conscious attention to everything.
[36:29.800 --> 36:38.080]  We pay conscious attention to what seems to us to be important at the moment and then
[36:38.080 --> 36:45.740]  we get in a separate situation where we have to remember what went on but we do that from
[36:45.740 --> 36:49.300]  a disassociated perspective.
[36:49.300 --> 36:52.760]  So we're not in the experience, we're remembering the experience.
[36:52.760 --> 36:55.840]  So there's a different set of criteria.
[36:55.840 --> 37:02.280]  So we pull that memory and examine the memory from this different perspective and then put
[37:02.280 --> 37:12.520]  the memory back without a lot of these connections that were not important for this particular
[37:12.520 --> 37:19.040]  memory access like when somebody tells you a story then you tell it to somebody else.
[37:19.040 --> 37:27.280]  If the person that told you the story wasn't important at this telling then you won't
[37:27.280 --> 37:28.960]  access that information.
[37:28.960 --> 37:36.840]  So when you put this memory back you don't have referential index to that information.
[37:36.840 --> 37:39.800]  Now apparently it's further experimentation.
[37:39.800 --> 37:47.000]  That information can be retrieved but it takes a roundabout way to do it and that's what
[37:47.000 --> 37:48.960]  the meta model is about.
[37:48.960 --> 37:55.400]  You start asking them to go in and fill in those blanks that they've left empty with
[37:55.400 --> 38:01.880]  these re-experiencing of the emotional content.
[38:01.880 --> 38:09.960]  You've probably heard me talk about how sometimes we lose sight of the prize and it becomes
[38:09.960 --> 38:15.960]  about out the fight and that's because people have these bad experiences and they relive
[38:15.960 --> 38:20.680]  this experience and each time they relive it they re-have the emotional experience and
[38:20.680 --> 38:26.920]  it tends to get worse each time and by the time they've told it or rehashed it 50 times
[38:26.920 --> 38:34.600]  in their mind it becomes so traumatic they can hardly even think about it and it becomes
[38:34.600 --> 38:41.360]  far more traumatic than it was when it originally happened.
[38:41.360 --> 38:52.000]  So the meta model is a good way to help other people go in and re-attach these referential
[38:52.000 --> 38:53.600]  indexes.
[38:53.600 --> 38:58.760]  Re-access information that they've lost the way to access.
[38:58.760 --> 39:05.600]  It's not so much that the memory is lost, it's we've lost our ability to directly access
[39:05.600 --> 39:15.400]  it and the meta model is very good for that because it keeps the individual out of the
[39:15.400 --> 39:16.680]  content.
[39:16.680 --> 39:23.000]  You pay attention to the predicates people use, to the descriptive words and ask them
[39:23.000 --> 39:31.560]  to give you more information on a more detailed description.
[39:31.560 --> 39:42.120]  He threw a ball at my head, what kind of ball was it, what color was it, did it have a dent
[39:42.120 --> 39:43.120]  in it?
[39:43.120 --> 39:50.840]  You ask a stupid question like that and they'll have to go re-access that ball and pick it
[39:50.840 --> 39:55.480]  up in their mind and turn it around and examine it to see if it had a dent in it and when
[39:55.480 --> 40:02.440]  they do that they'll reconnect to the original situation in a way that they otherwise wouldn't.
[40:02.440 --> 40:14.120]  So you might look up the Structures of Magic, there are two volumes and they're pretty dry
[40:14.120 --> 40:21.520]  and technical but they are absolutely incredible.
[40:21.520 --> 40:29.040]  These two books are the original foundation for neuro-linguistic programming.
[40:29.040 --> 40:32.680]  I think I started them and I think that they were so dry that I tried to look at other
[40:32.680 --> 40:40.640]  books referencing NLP techniques to ease my thoughts into something more.
[40:40.640 --> 40:48.280]  Now Frogs to Princes was a lot more interesting book to read.
[40:48.280 --> 40:56.680]  One of these in the series, there is Frogs to Princes, these are taken from seminars
[40:56.680 --> 41:01.760]  that Grinder and Bandelier did back in the 70s.
[41:01.760 --> 41:09.120]  Frogs to Princes was the first one, Reframing was the second one, Transformations was the
[41:09.120 --> 41:11.880]  third one.
[41:11.880 --> 41:22.120]  Transformations I've probably read half a dozen times, it has so much incredible information.
[41:22.120 --> 41:30.760]  If we could get two or three people in every county who understands some of these techniques,
[41:30.760 --> 41:36.640]  we could have an incredibly dramatic effect on our legal system.
[41:36.640 --> 41:46.320]  When I go into these courtrooms, they have a very hard time dealing with me and the primary
[41:46.320 --> 41:53.160]  reason they have such a hard time dealing with me is that I'm dealing on a level that
[41:53.160 --> 42:01.840]  for the most part is outside their conscious awareness, they have no conscious clue.
[42:01.840 --> 42:13.120]  And neuro-linguistic programming helps you to understand the nature of how that works
[42:13.120 --> 42:21.600]  because a lot of what we're doing every day, we're aware of, just not in the conscious
[42:21.600 --> 42:31.200]  part of our mind and we don't know directly how to access that other part.
[42:31.200 --> 42:35.440]  But I'll give you a real good example of how that works.
[42:35.440 --> 42:41.760]  You're driving down the road, you've got the radio playing, you're listening to music,
[42:41.760 --> 42:45.920]  somebody's in the car with you, you're having a conversation with them and you're thinking
[42:45.920 --> 42:48.560]  about what you're going to do when you get to work.
[42:48.560 --> 42:55.560]  You get all this stuff going on all at once and something moves in your peripheral vision.
[42:55.560 --> 43:02.400]  Now, everything stops and you pay attention to the world around you, dead center through
[43:02.400 --> 43:04.400]  the center of your iris.
[43:04.400 --> 43:11.000]  Well, when something moves in your peripheral vision, you have another aspect of awareness.
[43:11.000 --> 43:14.600]  It is not subconscious.
[43:14.600 --> 43:16.600]  Subconscious is a horrible term.
[43:16.600 --> 43:25.120]  It indicates that things are going on that are outside your knowledge or control, nonsense.
[43:25.120 --> 43:27.200]  This is in your control.
[43:27.200 --> 43:35.320]  It's just the way we've defined our environment or our experience that's caused us not to
[43:35.320 --> 43:38.000]  have direct access to it.
[43:38.000 --> 43:42.360]  Oh, I hear that annoying music.
[43:42.360 --> 43:47.760]  Okay, we'll pick this up on the other side and this is about how we have a peripheral
[43:47.760 --> 43:51.760]  awareness that's far richer than conscious awareness.
[43:51.760 --> 43:54.400]  I'll talk about that on the other side.
[43:54.400 --> 43:58.560]  Andy Kelton, Wheel of Law Radio, we'll be right back.
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[46:14.880 --> 46:26.560]  Okay.
[46:26.560 --> 46:27.560]  We are back.
[46:27.560 --> 46:33.720]  Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio and we're talking about peripheral awareness.
[46:33.720 --> 46:38.360]  You pay attention to the world around you, dead center through the center of the iris.
[46:38.360 --> 46:42.920]  But you can see 170 degrees.
[46:42.920 --> 46:52.040]  So we don't have this capacity for nothing and it's not subconscious.
[46:52.040 --> 47:00.200]  Our peripheral awareness is within our ability to pay attention to.
[47:00.200 --> 47:04.440]  It's not that it's subconscious or out of awareness.
[47:04.440 --> 47:08.800]  We're just not focusing on it, but it's working all the time.
[47:08.800 --> 47:10.240]  It's paying attention.
[47:10.240 --> 47:15.120]  You're driving down the road and a car approaches on a side road.
[47:15.120 --> 47:20.240]  Very quickly, your peripheral awareness will do some projections.
[47:20.240 --> 47:29.000]  If it looks at that, it sees that vehicle in your peripheral vision and it appears to
[47:29.000 --> 47:38.320]  be fixed in position, then your peripheral vision will grab your focus and drag it over
[47:38.320 --> 47:44.720]  to that vehicle because if it's in a fixed position, that means when you two reach this
[47:44.720 --> 47:48.320]  intersection, it's going to hit you.
[47:48.320 --> 47:54.920]  So it'll grab your vision and turn you toward it so now it'll take the conscious focus and
[47:54.920 --> 47:59.560]  put it on what it considers to be a threat.
[47:59.560 --> 48:04.080]  Everything else is going on in your environment, as complex as it may be.
[48:04.080 --> 48:15.200]  Your peripheral awareness is paying attention to and it's assessing it for levels of threat
[48:15.200 --> 48:18.360]  all the time.
[48:18.360 --> 48:22.360]  The mind is the same way.
[48:22.360 --> 48:27.160]  All of our senses detect a whole lot more than we pay attention to.
[48:27.160 --> 48:34.000]  Actually, they detect more than even the peripheral aspect of our awareness pays attention to.
[48:34.000 --> 48:42.120]  As much as that is, the inner mind does essentially the same thing.
[48:42.120 --> 48:47.760]  There's an aspect that I call our internal librarian.
[48:47.760 --> 48:49.440]  It pays attention to all of this stuff.
[48:49.440 --> 48:57.460]  It doesn't focus so much on the conscious aspect, what's going on right now.
[48:57.460 --> 49:05.800]  It only pays attention to it for the purpose of determining how we should react, the scope
[49:05.800 --> 49:14.720]  of our reactions, angry, happy, sad, frustrated, all of these nominalizations we have to describe
[49:14.720 --> 49:17.080]  different ways of being in the world.
[49:17.080 --> 49:20.600]  That comes out of this other aspect.
[49:20.600 --> 49:27.600]  Something occurs, situation changes, and it looks around and says, okay, in this kind
[49:27.600 --> 49:33.560]  of circumstance, we normally respond or react from this context.
[49:33.560 --> 49:41.640]  If it's angry, if some things occurred in the environment, then this aspect interprets
[49:41.640 --> 49:51.520]  this behavioral set or this set of circumstances as one that dictates this particular behavioral
[49:51.520 --> 49:57.080]  set that we call angry, it'll go open your angry drawer.
[49:57.080 --> 50:07.080]  The conscious aspect is able to draw its responses from a narrowed set of behaviors.
[50:07.080 --> 50:14.080]  We're not left to experiment every time we have a new circumstance, a new situation.
[50:14.080 --> 50:20.360]  We've got all this experience, and the inner mind keeps looking for referential index,
[50:20.360 --> 50:27.000]  looking for clues that point at this context, and it opens this mental drawer.
[50:27.000 --> 50:31.480]  In that mental drawer, you've got all the things you've learned to do in this kind of
[50:31.480 --> 50:33.840]  circumstance.
[50:33.840 --> 50:42.640]  If your parents were understanding and nurturing when they were angry, you may have that in
[50:42.640 --> 50:43.640]  there.
[50:43.640 --> 50:52.240]  But if they weren't, and you don't have that in your angry drawer, and you're not consciously
[50:52.240 --> 51:00.600]  aware of the limitations of the context that's just been accessed, you don't know what you're
[51:00.600 --> 51:01.600]  doing.
[51:01.600 --> 51:08.160]  You're just dancing around doing whatever comes to mind, and you're not really in direct
[51:08.160 --> 51:12.160]  kind of just controlling your behavior.
[51:12.160 --> 51:14.320]  There's a way to fix that.
[51:14.320 --> 51:20.560]  Well, how to fix it goes to the rubber ball theory.
[51:20.560 --> 51:27.080]  But when I go into court, I am well aware of that phenomena.
[51:27.080 --> 51:37.080]  And if you're a public official, and you want to dance with me, I'll give you a good one.
[51:37.080 --> 51:45.520]  Because I'm looking for ways to interrupt your normal patterns.
[51:45.520 --> 51:55.720]  Everybody is pretty well able to predict their environment, especially when you go into a
[51:55.720 --> 52:03.600]  courthouse, they're very accustomed to people coming into the courthouse with a very limited
[52:03.600 --> 52:06.760]  behavioral set.
[52:06.760 --> 52:12.720]  And that's because we don't have anything to do with governmental officials for the
[52:12.720 --> 52:14.600]  most part.
[52:14.600 --> 52:20.520]  We do what we do out here in the world, and we have very little to do with these people.
[52:20.520 --> 52:28.680]  The only time we had a lot of experience with governmental officials was in school.
[52:28.680 --> 52:32.000]  And we learned how to react and respond to them in school.
[52:32.000 --> 52:36.440]  Then we get out of school, we don't have any more interaction with them.
[52:36.440 --> 52:42.560]  Well, we walk into a government building, and the inner mind looks around and says,
[52:42.560 --> 52:48.200]  okay, where do I find a behavioral set for government buildings?
[52:48.200 --> 52:54.080]  And it goes out and pulls out your grade school drawer.
[52:54.080 --> 53:02.680]  I watched a man who was in his 60s at the time, I was much younger, really nice suit.
[53:02.680 --> 53:05.080]  We were out in the hall waiting for a traffic court to start.
[53:05.080 --> 53:09.140]  I didn't have a ticket, I'd come with a friend, so I didn't have a dog in the hunt.
[53:09.140 --> 53:11.600]  So I could pay attention to everybody else.
[53:11.600 --> 53:15.320]  And they're all huffing and puffing now they're going to get the officer fired, and they're
[53:15.320 --> 53:19.480]  going to read them the riot act and blah, blah, blah.
[53:19.480 --> 53:22.600]  We did in the courtroom, they call this guy first.
[53:22.600 --> 53:27.880]  He was obviously a high level executive just from his posture and courage.
[53:27.880 --> 53:37.560]  He walked up to the bench or to the table there and had some papers in his hand, and
[53:37.560 --> 53:42.160]  his hands were visibly shaking.
[53:42.160 --> 53:46.080]  And I was thinking, this is a traffic ticket.
[53:46.080 --> 53:47.080]  I mean, big deal.
[53:47.080 --> 53:52.360]  I mean, a couple hundred bucks at the time is like 50 or 60 bucks.
[53:52.360 --> 53:57.320]  And this guy's obviously not hard up for money, so that is not a problem.
[53:57.320 --> 53:59.320]  What is going on here?
[53:59.320 --> 54:03.840]  It took a while to figure out what was going on.
[54:03.840 --> 54:11.480]  The only behavioral set he had for public officials was school.
[54:11.480 --> 54:18.680]  Now he's being sent before the principal, and he had opened his, I'm a 10 year old
[54:18.680 --> 54:24.200]  being sent before the principal behavioral set.
[54:24.200 --> 54:26.560]  We need to fix that.
[54:26.560 --> 54:34.780]  And all you need to do to fix that is to be aware that a different behavioral set has
[54:34.780 --> 54:36.880]  been accessed.
[54:36.880 --> 54:42.360]  The first book in this NLP series is Frogs to Princess.
[54:42.360 --> 54:49.600]  The second one is reframing, and a lot of what I do on this show is reframing.
[54:49.600 --> 54:59.440]  I take a situation that has a common referential index for people, like going into court.
[54:59.440 --> 55:03.380]  And I reframe that.
[55:03.380 --> 55:10.280]  What I want to happen is when someone goes into court, they don't access their being
[55:10.280 --> 55:14.860]  sent to the principal behavioral set.
[55:14.860 --> 55:20.080]  We want them to access their parent going to the principal wanting to know what the
[55:20.080 --> 55:22.680]  heck you're doing to my kids.
[55:22.680 --> 55:26.560]  I want that behavioral set.
[55:26.560 --> 55:29.320]  That one works a lot better.
[55:29.320 --> 55:34.960]  And that's why I say when I walk into a public building, I'm the baddest motor scooter in
[55:34.960 --> 55:35.960]  the building.
[55:35.960 --> 55:44.280]  And this is a therapeutic metaphor, a content and context reframe.
[55:44.280 --> 55:49.200]  There's only one reason I'm the baddest motor scooter in the building.
[55:49.200 --> 55:51.840]  That's because I'm nobody.
[55:51.840 --> 55:56.720]  I'm not a judge, a prosecutor, a bailiff, a clerk.
[55:56.720 --> 55:59.560]  They're all public servants.
[55:59.560 --> 56:02.760]  I am the master, and they are not to forget it.
[56:02.760 --> 56:11.120]  If we can do that reframe, that reframe will open a whole different drawer with a whole
[56:11.120 --> 56:14.480]  different set of responses in it.
[56:14.480 --> 56:20.640]  And now you've got these officials who are very accustomed to people opening their I'm
[56:20.640 --> 56:25.440]  being sent before the principal drawer.
[56:25.440 --> 56:27.240]  And they get something else.
[56:27.240 --> 56:33.160]  I was just at the Department of Public Safety here in Texas because they have a new law
[56:33.160 --> 56:37.040]  that says if you get a Texas ID, you have to turn in your driver's license.
[56:37.040 --> 56:39.080]  So I went in there and told them I wanted an ID.
[56:39.080 --> 56:41.480]  Well, do you have a driver's license?
[56:41.480 --> 56:42.480]  Sure.
[56:42.480 --> 56:43.640]  Well, you'll have to turn that in.
[56:43.640 --> 56:46.280]  I said, well, I don't want to turn it in.
[56:46.280 --> 56:47.960]  Well, you'll have to to get an ID.
[56:47.960 --> 56:49.360]  I said, but I want an ID.
[56:49.360 --> 56:51.040]  Well, then you have to turn that in.
[56:51.040 --> 56:54.880]  I said, well, do whatever you have to.
[56:54.880 --> 56:56.920]  And she said, well, you just wait over here.
[56:56.920 --> 57:01.240]  And she got a DPS officer to come out and talk to me.
[57:01.240 --> 57:02.240]  And I told him I want an ID.
[57:02.240 --> 57:04.680]  And they said, well, you'll have to turn in your license.
[57:04.680 --> 57:06.680]  I said, oh, that's what you make me do.
[57:06.680 --> 57:07.680]  Okay.
[57:07.680 --> 57:10.520]  Well, that's what you have to do to get an ID.
[57:10.520 --> 57:11.520]  I said, okay.
[57:11.520 --> 57:15.520]  And he said, now, if you do that, you can't drive out of here.
[57:15.520 --> 57:16.520]  Sure can.
[57:16.520 --> 57:20.480]  I just go in there and get in my car and I can leave it right out of there.
[57:20.480 --> 57:21.480]  No, no.
[57:21.480 --> 57:23.200]  I said, I'll pull you over and give you a ticket.
[57:23.200 --> 57:25.120]  I smiled at him real big.
[57:25.120 --> 57:32.560]  I said, yeah, baby, when you pull me over and give me a ticket, I will give you a romp
[57:32.560 --> 57:34.200]  through the legal system.
[57:34.200 --> 57:38.600]  You are not going to believe.
[57:38.600 --> 57:44.200]  And the look on his face was priceless.
[57:44.200 --> 57:48.000]  He certainly didn't see that coming.
[57:48.000 --> 57:50.200]  And that's what we want.
[57:50.200 --> 57:51.200]  Pattern interruption.
[57:51.200 --> 58:00.840]  What I did to him was not causing him to open a different drawer, but I stuck him.
[58:00.840 --> 58:04.080]  He was stuck not knowing what to do.
[58:04.080 --> 58:13.120]  And in human experience, there is nothing more emotionally powerful than not having
[58:13.120 --> 58:15.760]  a clue as to what to do.
[58:15.760 --> 58:16.760]  Hang on.
[58:16.760 --> 58:20.840]  Pick this up on the other side, Randy Calhoun, La Radio.
[58:20.840 --> 58:25.480]  I call in number 5126461984.
[58:25.480 --> 58:29.320]  Chris, is this making any sense?
[58:29.320 --> 58:34.200]  Oh, Chris can't talk because I didn't even unmute him.
[58:34.200 --> 58:35.200]  Hang on, Chris.
[58:35.200 --> 58:38.520]  I'll actually unmute you when we come back on the other side.
[58:38.520 --> 58:42.360]  This is the top of the hour break, so it's a good time to go look at our sponsors.
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[01:00:43.600 --> 01:00:47.560]  Today in history, the year 303, the great persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire
[01:00:47.560 --> 01:00:52.160]  signed into Edict by Emperor Diocletian, in effect stripping the legal rights of Christians
[01:00:52.160 --> 01:01:00.520]  and demanding that they comply with the traditional Roman religious practices of the day.
[01:01:00.520 --> 01:01:04.760]  In recent news, the state-stop criminal court dismissed criminal charges against Rick Perry
[01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:09.400]  for his 2003 threat to veto state funds to the Travis County prosecutors.
[01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.640]  The charge itself, it was ruled 6-2, violated the Texas Constitution's separation of power
[01:01:13.640 --> 01:01:17.080]  provision by limiting the governor's veto authority.
[01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:21.200]  Presiding Judge Sharon Keller stated that the governor's power to exercise a veto may
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[01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.320]  When the only act that is being prosecuted is the veto, then the prosecution itself violates
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[01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:35.920]  The court has also dropped a secondary felony charge of coercion of a public official as
[01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:41.920]  a violation of free speech rights.
[01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.680]  The International Monetary Fund stated today that the global economy is highly vulnerable
[01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:49.640]  to adverse shocks and is calling on the United States and other major governments to prepare
[01:01:49.640 --> 01:01:52.840]  contingency plans that could be used to stimulate and boost growth.
[01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:56.960]  IMF is strongly suggesting that the world's 20 largest economies should keep pursuing
[01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:58.560]  strategies for growth.
[01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:01.900]  Though they did suggest that they should develop additional measures that could be implemented
[01:02:01.900 --> 01:02:05.120]  immediately if economic growth continues to slump.
[01:02:05.120 --> 01:02:08.960]  With the IMF suggesting governmental spending as a means of stimulus, it's hard to take
[01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:13.280]  the Treasury Secretary Jacob Lewis's statement serious when he stated that it's not the
[01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:18.360]  job of the finance ministers and central banks and governors to accelerate a crisis, it's
[01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.360]  their job to avoid one.
[01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:25.600]  Yeah, sure.
[01:02:25.600 --> 01:02:29.320]  MasterCard has announced plans to introduce SelfiePay to more than a dozen countries,
[01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:33.600]  a program that is part of MasterCard's plan to implement biometrics as form of security
[01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:34.600]  authentication.
[01:02:34.600 --> 01:02:39.360]  The idea is simple, users will take selfies through their app and the image will be stored
[01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.960]  into a company server every time anyone will want to make an online purchase with their
[01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:44.960]  credit or debit card.
[01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.720]  They will be prompted to look into the phone's camera so that the image can be digitally
[01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:53.680]  matched and compared against the selfie on file, effectively changing the selfie for
[01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:55.680]  the traditional password.
[01:02:55.680 --> 01:03:21.480]  This was your lowdown for February 24th, 2016.
[01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:27.360]  We are back, Randy Kelton, We Will Blow Radio, and we're talking to Chris in Pennsylvania
[01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.360]  about Neurolinguistic Programming.
[01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.560]  Chris, does that make sense?
[01:03:34.560 --> 01:03:37.960]  Yeah, it all makes sense.
[01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:43.440]  I've been, just what you talked about with the awareness factor, I read a good book by
[01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:51.640]  Bill Harris, who wrote a book called The Science of the New Age Science of Awareness, Super
[01:03:51.640 --> 01:03:55.280]  Awareness, and it touches on a lot of those things.
[01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:00.840]  I've been reading some Colin Smith and Lou Lawson on that.
[01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.240]  Can you send me some links to that?
[01:04:04.240 --> 01:04:11.760]  I started studying Neurolinguistic Programming about 30 years ago, and when it first started,
[01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:21.480]  I picked up Structures of Magic in, I think, 1977 or 78 in a bookstore when it was still
[01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:30.520]  fresh, and been studying it ever since, but after about eight or ten years, Neurolinguistic
[01:04:30.520 --> 01:04:38.520]  Programming moved into sort of a gimmick stage, where they had these, everybody had their
[01:04:38.520 --> 01:04:43.600]  own special little thing you could do, and they're all, everybody's trying to market
[01:04:43.600 --> 01:04:52.840]  their own little magic, and they got away from a basic understanding of the overall
[01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:53.840]  technology.
[01:04:53.840 --> 01:05:03.440]  I was frustrated with them, so I'm looking for people who have increased the technology.
[01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:13.720]  I know, I think it's in Frogs to Princess, where Grindelir states that if something seems
[01:05:13.720 --> 01:05:22.080]  difficult, that's merely an indication that our technology is not sophisticated enough.
[01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:30.320]  I'm looking for people who have increased the technology.
[01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:39.960]  I am concerned that we are fast approaching a situation to where we, by our technology,
[01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.240]  will render ourselves irrelevant.
[01:05:45.240 --> 01:05:52.320]  If we don't do something, we have machines doing almost everything for us, and I have
[01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:56.440]  no concern about machines taking over.
[01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:03.960]  I do have concerns about human beings creating machines to kill human beings, because about
[01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:12.400]  the first application of automated aircraft is we use them to kill people.
[01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:22.120]  So in spite of Isaac Asimov's warnings about allowing machines to do no harm to humans,
[01:06:22.120 --> 01:06:24.760]  that's the first thing we want to do with them.
[01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:31.200]  But as to machines taking over, I don't see that as a problem, but I do see us reaching
[01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:41.320]  a point where we become irrelevant if we don't, if we don't increase our own personal technologies.
[01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:48.320]  So have you found application to the NLP that you've learned so far?
[01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.320]  Sure.
[01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:55.280]  Sure, I've found a lot of applications, especially reading Colin Smith's stuff.
[01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.880]  He's a guy you might want to read.
[01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:03.840]  He takes it into uses that benefit everyone, as opposed to some of these other guys who
[01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:12.440]  write books on the mastery of verbiage and controlling others.
[01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:25.720]  His books are mainly how NLP can help you understand things as you put them with finding
[01:07:25.720 --> 01:07:32.640]  your, not so much subconscious, but your awareness around things and making you more conscious
[01:07:32.640 --> 01:07:33.640]  of that.
[01:07:33.640 --> 01:07:39.200]  That sounds exactly like what I want to get, who I want to read.
[01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:47.360]  These tools these guys got where you think you can control other people, that's nonsense.
[01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:52.720]  Have you heard me present the rubber ball theory on the air?
[01:07:52.720 --> 01:07:55.560]  Have you heard me present the rubber ball theory?
[01:07:55.560 --> 01:07:56.560]  Yes.
[01:07:56.560 --> 01:07:57.560]  Oh, yeah.
[01:07:57.560 --> 01:07:58.560]  Okay.
[01:07:58.560 --> 01:08:07.680]  Well, the rubber ball theory, it examines this ability to pay attention to another level
[01:08:07.680 --> 01:08:14.760]  of awareness, but the one thing that once you learn to use it becomes absolutely clear.
[01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:19.840]  You cannot control other people.
[01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:25.600]  You can put opportunity in front of other people to do different things, but if you
[01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:30.880]  try to influence them to do any one thing or the other in particular and they catch
[01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.880]  you at it, it will have no positive effect.
[01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:35.880]  Correct.
[01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:43.000]  So, forget this crapola, you know, I joke about doing secret hypnosis and yeah, I do
[01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:49.000]  do conversational induction, but when you do these kinds of things, you can't manipulate
[01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:52.840]  people into doing things.
[01:08:52.840 --> 01:09:00.120]  What you can do is help people focus on and pay attention to things that have otherwise
[01:09:00.120 --> 01:09:02.560]  not been available to them.
[01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:09.680]  The only real thing you can do is help expand their technology.
[01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:16.120]  You try to manipulate people with this, they will catch you every time.
[01:09:16.120 --> 01:09:25.240]  When I annoy these public officials, all I'm doing is making their expectation come false.
[01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:30.800]  That ain't do anything they want to once I've tripped them.
[01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:35.040]  But when they try to manipulate a response from me, because they kind of know how you're
[01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:38.040]  going to respond.
[01:09:38.040 --> 01:09:45.960]  These are people who come to them at a terrible disadvantage and they access an old archaic
[01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:53.120]  behavioral set and these public officials take unfair advantage of it.
[01:09:53.120 --> 01:10:02.600]  But when you trip one of them up, they find it a very profound experience.
[01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:04.440]  And it doesn't take much.
[01:10:04.440 --> 01:10:12.360]  This particular officer, he indicated that he was aware of this right to travel issue.
[01:10:12.360 --> 01:10:16.240]  Oh, you are wonderful.
[01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:17.240]  That's even better.
[01:10:17.240 --> 01:10:22.560]  Now you can't claim good faith reliance on competent authority and say that the prosecuted
[01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:26.200]  attorney told you this was okay.
[01:10:26.200 --> 01:10:34.720]  Anyway, yeah, this is not something in spite of what a lot of people out there would indicate
[01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:37.360]  is not something you can manipulate people with.
[01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:46.720]  Well, you can manipulate people, but you can only manipulate them to expand their capacity.
[01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:54.520]  And you can only manipulate them by making their expectations come false and forcing
[01:10:54.520 --> 01:11:00.280]  them to go inside and find new reservoirs of behavior.
[01:11:00.280 --> 01:11:06.680]  So from that perspective, it's absolutely ethical.
[01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:11.720]  And what you mentioned about timelines was something he touches on as well as far as
[01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:20.480]  for instance, they take professional bikers who look at coming to that wall and finding
[01:11:20.480 --> 01:11:27.920]  the energy to get through that by using timelines where they use triggers by either touching
[01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:35.080]  their tongue on their nose or on the roof of their mouth to focus on a timeline when
[01:11:35.080 --> 01:11:43.560]  they were exceeding 110% and call them into awareness of focus at this point, you know,
[01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:50.600]  to make themselves better in a time of need.
[01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:56.760]  And that's psychological, that's anchoring and it is very powerful.
[01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:07.520]  And what I do here, a lot of what I do on the show is I try to establish new anchors,
[01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:12.320]  new ways, different ways of thinking about what's going on.
[01:12:12.320 --> 01:12:18.480]  So it leads you to a different set of behaviors than the ones you were accustomed to.
[01:12:18.480 --> 01:12:25.920]  You're on a bicycle and you feel good when you start and you begin to feel fatigued and
[01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:30.600]  you already know what the routine is.
[01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:36.560]  So you have this expectation of how this is going to go.
[01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.720]  Your muscles are going to start to ache, your shoulders start to droop, your mouth to hang
[01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:46.560]  open, you can barely get air.
[01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:54.440]  And then you trigger that anchor and take yourself back to a time when you weren't so
[01:12:54.440 --> 01:12:59.200]  exhausted and reset the whole clock.
[01:12:59.200 --> 01:13:07.920]  A lot of athletes use neurolinguistic programming to great advantage.
[01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:20.120]  For me, the real power of neurolinguistic programming was it taught me how to reprogram myself.
[01:13:20.120 --> 01:13:26.760]  When I present the rubber ball theory, I used to do seminars on it and I would tell people
[01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:34.640]  that I'm going to present a tool here that you can use to elicit positive change in other
[01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:35.640]  people.
[01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:41.200]  And then at the end of the presentation, I would remind them that I said that.
[01:13:41.200 --> 01:13:46.520]  And I would say, when I told you that, I lied.
[01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.240]  This is not a tool for eliciting positive change in other people.
[01:13:50.240 --> 01:13:55.280]  Oh, yeah, it works for that, but that's a secondary purpose.
[01:13:55.280 --> 01:13:58.800]  That's just a side effect.
[01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:07.880]  This is a tool that will allow you to consciously and directly reprogram your own inner mind.
[01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:14.280]  You can rewrite yourself and that's the real power of neurolinguistic programming.
[01:14:14.280 --> 01:14:19.280]  Well, thank you very much, Chris.
[01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:24.040]  This is one of my favorite subjects and one that I haven't often talked about on the air.
[01:14:24.040 --> 01:14:32.600]  But I have Mark in Texas and I know he's got something interesting.
[01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:37.280]  And I hope I answered all your questions and didn't just lead you down the rabbit hole.
[01:14:37.280 --> 01:14:41.560]  No, no, we were doing fine.
[01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:42.560]  Okay.
[01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.600]  Well, thank you very much, Chris.
[01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.240]  Now we're going to go to Mark in Texas.
[01:14:47.240 --> 01:14:48.240]  Hello, Mark.
[01:14:48.240 --> 01:14:49.240]  Hey, good evening.
[01:14:49.240 --> 01:14:50.240]  You put me under a little bit of pressure.
[01:14:50.240 --> 01:14:57.720]  I don't know how interesting it is, but I just wanted to reach out.
[01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.440]  I've been listening to the show tonight.
[01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:04.520]  The discussion earlier is actually very interesting.
[01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:09.880]  With respect to, I want to formulate some good questions here.
[01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:19.480]  I'm looking at filing an FDCPA suit against a, I guess we called them a servicer or what
[01:15:19.480 --> 01:15:26.320]  they really are as a debt buyer that bought something in 2013 or before.
[01:15:26.320 --> 01:15:33.880]  And a week later, they filed, or actually within a few months, they filed an assignment
[01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:35.400]  of mortgage.
[01:15:35.400 --> 01:15:44.440]  And this assignment of mortgage is very interesting in that what it essentially has is it's saying
[01:15:44.440 --> 01:15:51.580]  that the assignor in this case is Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems is nominee
[01:15:51.580 --> 01:15:53.640]  of Fremont Investment.
[01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:54.640]  This is in 2013.
[01:15:54.640 --> 01:16:01.560]  Fremont's out of business, Merge has no capacity to be an assignor in this state.
[01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.200]  And then the assignee goes and subsequently files suit.
[01:16:05.200 --> 01:16:11.960]  I attacked that in my initial response, but I didn't go into any great detail because
[01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.120]  I didn't really know how to do it at the time.
[01:16:15.120 --> 01:16:23.960]  And as I look at this, it becomes very interesting to me to think that the plaintiff in the suit
[01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.200]  is a party other than the servicer.
[01:16:27.200 --> 01:16:34.520]  This servicer sent me many letters as though they had some capacity to service this debt.
[01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.120]  They were trying to collect this debt.
[01:16:37.120 --> 01:16:40.560]  I'm within a one-year statute of limitations at this point.
[01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.920]  And I hear bumper music, so I'll hang if you want, but I'm...
[01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:44.920]  Yeah, hang on, hang on.
[01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:45.920]  This is...
[01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:46.920]  We'll be right back.
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[01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:36.640]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Rue de la Radio, and we're talking to Mark in Texas.
[01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:43.840]  And the debt collector, there was a question I wanted to ask earlier.
[01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:55.480]  When this servicer received the, or became the servicer, was the instrument in default?
[01:19:55.480 --> 01:20:00.560]  Yes, they are absolutely a debt.
[01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:07.200]  They bought something which is essentially already in default, so they are a debt collector
[01:20:07.200 --> 01:20:13.280]  according to FTCPA, I believe, by that definition.
[01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:14.280]  Absolutely.
[01:20:14.280 --> 01:20:15.280]  Yeah.
[01:20:15.280 --> 01:20:21.520]  What I'm interested in asking, just for clarity, I'm looking for an attorney that knows something
[01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:29.000]  about this, because I would prefer to have an attorney represent me in the action rather
[01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.200]  than go and suffer any kind of prejudice being pro se.
[01:20:33.200 --> 01:20:37.360]  Send me an email, I've got one.
[01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:43.560]  The question that I've got to ask is this, because here's the difficulty, and if you
[01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:49.520]  think we can mitigate this, this is a good question for all the listeners to hear.
[01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:54.560]  I've talked to multiple attorneys in different states, the servicers in Utah, I talked to
[01:20:54.560 --> 01:21:00.200]  a guy there, he said, you don't have the chance of getting the kind of justice you want in
[01:21:00.200 --> 01:21:04.480]  this area that you would in, say, Arkansas or Texas.
[01:21:04.480 --> 01:21:10.160]  I talked to a guy in Texarkana, Texas, he said Arkansas is probably better than Texas,
[01:21:10.160 --> 01:21:16.240]  which is kind of surprising, because so far I don't think so, but anyway, we're talking
[01:21:16.240 --> 01:21:22.000]  about the central court, and everyone that I've spoken to in Austin, and there seems
[01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:28.120]  to be a very easy ability to find attorneys that do this in this area, they pretty much
[01:21:28.120 --> 01:21:39.800]  say that since this has some kind of indirect connection to a case that's already been filed
[01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:45.080]  and decided, that it's best that I file it in Arkansas.
[01:21:45.080 --> 01:21:49.920]  To me, I don't completely get it, I mean, they seem mutually exclusive.
[01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:56.200]  The assigner sent me something, which is a violation of the FDCPA.
[01:21:56.200 --> 01:22:04.640]  This assignment was filed in 2013, it's invalid, it's fraud on its face, it's prepared by
[01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:12.640]  the assigner, the guy signs as a VP of MERS, this may be the thing that colors it.
[01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:18.600]  I need the state law in the state of Arkansas, which says MERS can't assign, in order for
[01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.680]  that argument to be truly valid.
[01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:25.040]  Okay, okay, here's the deal.
[01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:31.080]  I've looked at several cases lately, I have a friend in Austin, who's working with an
[01:22:31.080 --> 01:22:34.960]  attorney that does foreclosures only.
[01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.080]  I have another attorney in Austin who is the lawyer who got the Miller v. Holmes coming
[01:22:41.080 --> 01:22:51.680]  decision, homecomings, the one that says you have standing to challenge the assignment.
[01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:55.120]  Okay, good.
[01:22:55.120 --> 01:23:05.400]  The cases that I'm reading, the Inova case, the one that just came out last week, it addressed
[01:23:05.400 --> 01:23:13.760]  the right to challenge the assignment, and it settled a split between the circuits in
[01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:14.760]  California.
[01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:23.200]  And it settled it on the side that you can challenge the assignment.
[01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:35.080]  All of the case law is very consistent in this regard, and thanks to Jeff Cedric, there
[01:23:35.080 --> 01:23:42.200]  is the, in the Inova case, Jeff Cedric and his group, this woman was a member of their
[01:23:42.200 --> 01:23:49.040]  group, and they used Jeff and his group's arguments.
[01:23:49.040 --> 01:23:53.240]  And if you've heard Jeff on the air, he keeps talking about the difference between void
[01:23:53.240 --> 01:23:54.240]  and voidable.
[01:23:54.240 --> 01:23:57.240]  Yes, I see it.
[01:23:57.240 --> 01:24:03.480]  That's what all these cases are saying.
[01:24:03.480 --> 01:24:11.100]  You don't have standing to challenge a voidable contract.
[01:24:11.100 --> 01:24:19.040]  You only have standing to challenge a contract that is, is void on its face, and what that
[01:24:19.040 --> 01:24:28.200]  means is, is you and I enter into a contract, and I signed the contract, and you don't sign
[01:24:28.200 --> 01:24:29.200]  the contract.
[01:24:29.200 --> 01:24:39.080]  Well, it's voidable, but I want the contract to work, so yeah, that's an issue, but I'm
[01:24:39.080 --> 01:24:41.880]  not going to raise it.
[01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:47.400]  So it's voidable if I choose to raise the issue, but if I don't, it's not.
[01:24:47.400 --> 01:24:56.440]  You can't, as an outside person, you can't challenge that contract, but if the contract
[01:24:56.440 --> 01:25:05.040]  is filed in the public record, or even if it's not, and if they try to use this contract
[01:25:05.040 --> 01:25:15.400]  in a court case, you can come to the court and say, this contract is void on its face.
[01:25:15.400 --> 01:25:24.040]  For instance, if the contract amounted to a conspiracy to commit fraud, you can say
[01:25:24.040 --> 01:25:34.720]  this contract is void on its face, and since it's void, it can be of no power and effect.
[01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:43.440]  One of the cases I looked at was they had argued that this guy, Bly, had signed this
[01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:49.480]  assignment, had affirmed this assignment, he's a known robo-signer, and they claimed
[01:25:49.480 --> 01:25:56.400]  that the assignment was void because this guy signed it.
[01:25:56.400 --> 01:26:04.360]  What they didn't do is claim that the document was void according to text to statute, and
[01:26:04.360 --> 01:26:10.080]  I forget the number of the statute, but we have a specific statute that says a void contract
[01:26:10.080 --> 01:26:12.600]  is of no force and effect.
[01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:22.320]  They did not cite that statute claiming that the document was void as a matter of law.
[01:26:22.320 --> 01:26:28.120]  Therefore, the courts couldn't rule that it was void as a matter of law.
[01:26:28.120 --> 01:26:35.680]  So if we're going to attack this, we need to look for issues that would render the contract
[01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:47.760]  void, and in this case, what rendered it void was that Bly did not actually affirm this
[01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:53.960]  contract before a notary because there's reason to believe he didn't sign it at all.
[01:26:53.960 --> 01:27:00.360]  So the accusation is he never even signed it, somebody else did, and there is a notary
[01:27:00.360 --> 01:27:08.680]  on it that the acknowledgement has to be void because he's already testified in court that
[01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:12.960]  people are signing his names on documents that he's never seen.
[01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:18.600]  So it goes to collateral estoppel they can't claim this is not a problem, and you claim
[01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:23.800]  that because his signature is on it, and you need some evidence, the whole thing went to
[01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:26.600]  evidence.
[01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:33.160]  But you have to claim that it is void and not a contract that one of the two parties
[01:27:33.160 --> 01:27:36.040]  involved can challenge and render void.
[01:27:36.040 --> 01:27:37.040]  That makes sense?
[01:27:37.040 --> 01:27:40.080]  Oh, you bet it does.
[01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:41.400]  I've got that.
[01:27:41.400 --> 01:27:47.880]  I didn't voice the argument in that way, and it's not part of the record, but I brought
[01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:50.960]  it out that it was fraud on its face.
[01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:58.800]  I think maybe perhaps those are somewhat synonymous, but I don't know.
[01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:05.520]  Let me suggest, have you filed a quiet title action against that document?
[01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:06.520]  No.
[01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:13.280]  At this point, I've simply had one hearing after I first won the case, and then a year
[01:28:13.280 --> 01:28:23.080]  later after the chain of events with aggravated perjury, the judge denying my right to due
[01:28:23.080 --> 01:28:30.480]  process by not hearing my challenge to subject matter jurisdiction, and denying my right
[01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:37.320]  to due process by violating a state statute where it literally says that in order to reopen
[01:28:37.320 --> 01:28:41.840]  a case that's already been decided under any circumstances, the plaintiff has to have a
[01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:44.200]  valid prima facie cause of action.
[01:28:44.200 --> 01:28:52.080]  I put that in my motion, just putting it right in front of them, didn't do its thing.
[01:28:52.080 --> 01:28:59.280]  I'm wondering strategically if it would make sense for me to file an FDCPA action against
[01:28:59.280 --> 01:29:06.560]  the servicer, because these letters they've sent are in violation, it's not a valid debt.
[01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:12.800]  They're attempting to collect a debt for a party that is actually not involved in the
[01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:13.800]  dispute.
[01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:20.200]  I've read some case law where they actually just break it down like that.
[01:29:20.200 --> 01:29:24.920]  I think one of the decisions from Judge Shack, or whatever in New York, he's saying...
[01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:26.920]  Yeah, I'm familiar with him.
[01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:33.840]  He's the one that calls them vampire lenders, where there's an assignment after the lender
[01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.840]  went out of business.
[01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:36.840]  Right.
[01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:43.960]  They rise up from the dead and give order to foreclose, or to transfer, hang on, Randy
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[01:33:37.200 --> 01:33:38.200]  of ingenuity, to use against the workers of iniquity.
[01:33:38.200 --> 01:33:39.200]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:33:39.200 --> 01:33:40.200]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:33:40.200 --> 01:33:49.320]  Tools of regal dignity, to rebuild the crime that there's a need.
[01:33:49.320 --> 01:33:53.760]  And I say, truth in nature must be justice, I believe.
[01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.760]  Truth in nature must be justice.
[01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:08.620]  And though it's a daunting task, at least I got the key to see the eyes of them all,
[01:34:08.620 --> 01:34:15.620]  to break off the silly minds, and in the light of day we all will find the tools of ingenuity,
[01:34:15.620 --> 01:34:16.620]  to use against the workers of iniquity.
[01:34:16.620 --> 01:34:17.620]  Tools of ingenuity, to use against the workers of iniquity.
[01:34:17.620 --> 01:34:39.600]  Tools of ingenuity, to use against the workers of iniquity.
[01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:54.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:59.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:10.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:11.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:33.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:41.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:56.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:35:56.600 --> 01:36:04.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:17.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:27.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:51.600]  Tools of master capability, available for all eternity, they come from natural amenities,
[01:36:51.600 --> 01:37:03.600]  they're set by roots and authenticity.
[01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:21.600]  The, probably the least complex for the judge, and most likely the easiest decision to get, is a quiet title action.
[01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:29.600]  Because quiet title action doesn't go to the depths, it goes to a document filed in the public record.
[01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:35.600]  You're not asking the judge to render a ruling that can change the world as he knows it.
[01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:40.600]  You say to the judge, you have this document filed in the record here,
[01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:44.600]  and there are anomalies with the filing of the document.
[01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:50.600]  This document does not meet the statutory filing requirements.
[01:37:50.600 --> 01:38:00.600]  The only thing we're asking is that you rule that this particular document, based on this particular set of facts,
[01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:06.600]  is insufficient for filing and is therefore void and of no force and effect.
[01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:15.600]  So he only has to measure the filing of the document against the statutory filing requirements and nothing else.
[01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:22.600]  You ask for no damages of any kind and do not allow him to attach any damages.
[01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:26.600]  If he wants to sanction somebody, let him sanction them.
[01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:35.600]  But you strictly declaratory judgment, no money involved, you just want a ruling on the validity of this document.
[01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:41.600]  If you get the ruling that the document is void,
[01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:47.600]  30 days after you get that ruling, it cannot be challenged again.
[01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:57.600]  It becomes res judicata, and anyone attempting to rely on that document is subject to collateral estoppel.
[01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:01.600]  It's kind of a pawn move.
[01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:12.600]  Now, once you got that ruling, now when you go for FDC, EPA, it's already a done deal.
[01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.600]  Oh, I see what you're saying.
[01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:18.600]  So you sneak up behind them.
[01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:21.600]  I'm not sure I have time, which is another bummer.
[01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:27.600]  I think the last letter I got is in March, so here I am close to the end of that.
[01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:32.600]  Now, wait a minute, March time for what?
[01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:41.600]  I have a one-year statute of limitations on FDCPA, and the last letter I got from them, as far as I know, was in March.
[01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:44.600]  Could have been April or May.
[01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:48.600]  I've got it all together, but I haven't even gone back in time.
[01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:52.600]  In that case, you might want to run them together.
[01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:56.600]  Yeah, okay, file them at the same time.
[01:39:56.600 --> 01:39:57.600]  Right.
[01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:06.600]  If that's what you mean, because my FDCPA action is going to take longer anyway if I file discovery and then have to compel them to do it.
[01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:11.600]  I figure in federal court, that's going to happen, I hope.
[01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:15.600]  But I see what you're saying, actually.
[01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:30.600]  The two tie together, and then if I have a judgment, we wait 30 days and then we throw that into the documents or submit it to the federal court relative to the FDCPA suit.
[01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:31.600]  Right.
[01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:37.600]  Where was the assignment verified?
[01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:40.600]  Where's the notary at?
[01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:41.600]  Ah, okay.
[01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:44.600]  The notary is in Utah.
[01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:48.600]  The notary and the, I can read it.
[01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:50.600]  I'm looking right at it.
[01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:52.600]  No, that's enough.
[01:40:52.600 --> 01:41:01.600]  I was looking for an actor who is in the state of Arkansas.
[01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:09.600]  You get one defendant in the state of Arkansas, they can't remove it to the Fed.
[01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.600]  Okay, I see what you're saying.
[01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.600]  I don't know if that can be done at all.
[01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:24.600]  It was prepared by, it literally says prepared by, and it gives the name of the party signing it.
[01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:37.600]  And this party is clearly noted as an employee of the, or at least it seems that it's knowing that this person is an employee of the servicer.
[01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.600]  So the servicer is preparing this.
[01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:43.600]  It's got an investor number, it's got a Merge number, it's got a BRU number.
[01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:53.600]  Later on in some documents subsequently submitted to the court, these were redacted as though those were precious things to protect.
[01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:56.600]  But it was prepared on July 30th.
[01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:03.600]  The assigner is Morgan's Electronic Registration Systems, is nominee for Fremont, its successors in the science.
[01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.600]  Fremont's had a business in 2008, couldn't have made this.
[01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:09.600]  Merge can't make this stuff.
[01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:15.600]  And then I've got an assignee, US Bank is trustee, JP Morgan, blah, blah, blah.
[01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:17.600]  And it goes on.
[01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:20.600]  And it talks about what it really says on the page.
[01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:23.600]  Okay, you cannot keep this out of federal court.
[01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:33.600]  I was looking for a way to get it in the state, so there's no way to get, well, yeah, the actors will have to be notified.
[01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:39.600]  So this will have to go to federal court because of the diversity jurisdiction.
[01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:41.600]  Okay.
[01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:45.600]  But it's a separate issue from the FDCPA.
[01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.600]  What they will try to do is join the issues.
[01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:54.600]  And you absolutely want to object to that.
[01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:56.600]  Okay.
[01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:00.600]  You mean the FDCPA and the quiet title actions keep them separate?
[01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:04.600]  Right. The quiet title is simply declaratory judgment.
[01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:18.600]  And if you allow them to join them, they're going to try to tie the declaratory judgment into the claim against the death collector.
[01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:22.600]  And then that will destroy the declaratory judgment filing.
[01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:23.600]  Got it.
[01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:24.600]  Here's a question.
[01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:25.600]  This is something I've wondered.
[01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.600]  You'll know the answer.
[01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:39.600]  On this thing at the very top of the document, it says recording requested by Richmond Monroe Group when recorded return to Richmond Monroe Group in Missouri.
[01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.600]  Who the hell are these guys?
[01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:46.600]  That's probably just a law firm that's handling the paperwork.
[01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:47.600]  Hang on.
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[01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:31.600]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, rule of law radio, and we're talking to Mark in Texas.
[01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:38.600]  And yeah, I would want to keep these apart if there's any way I can.
[01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:43.600]  How long have you got on the FDCPA?
[01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:49.600]  I have probably one to three months, somewhere in there.
[01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:53.600]  Then file the Trespass to Tri-Title.
[01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:55.600]  No, I'm sorry. I keep saying that.
[01:46:55.600 --> 01:47:04.600]  The Tri-Title action first and get it working.
[01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:11.600]  I was thinking on the way out, who filed the document?
[01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:16.600]  Was it actually this group out of Missouri?
[01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:21.600]  It's just saying recording requested by and when recorded returned to.
[01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:29.600]  It says it is prepared by, it's prepared by Bill Cook Select Portfolio Service, Inc.
[01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:35.600]  And then as we go through, we see it's on the MERS nominee for Fremont.
[01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:44.600]  We come down and on the second page, it basically says MERS Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. on this date by.
[01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:48.600]  And then that's Bill Cook signing as Assistant Secretary.
[01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:57.600]  So I would figure discovery would be something where we're asking, okay, is Bill Cook an employee of this organization?
[01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:06.600]  How can he prepare this and sign this document on behalf of MERS as though MERS is making this sign?
[01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:11.600]  Wrong question. That they can answer.
[01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:19.600]  He's under contract with MERS. He's not really an employee of MERS, but he's under contract with MERS.
[01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:20.600]  Got it.
[01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:27.600]  The real question is, this document's a forgery.
[01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:40.600]  In the Innova case that just came out and it quotes a number of other cases and they all pretty much say the same thing.
[01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:53.600]  That only the bona fide, bona fide a holder of the note can order the trustee to foreclose.
[01:48:53.600 --> 01:49:17.600]  So who ordered, we can extrapolate that to say only the bona fide holder of a security instrument can order MERS to transfer that security instrument to another party.
[01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:28.600]  Right. They're out of business in this instance. And according to the Supreme Court case in Arkansas, MERS doesn't hold the note.
[01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:33.600]  They don't take the payments. They can't do this at all. That's given very clear plain language.
[01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:42.600]  Then file criminal charges first against whoever it was that affirmed this document.
[01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:44.600]  Oh, yeah?
[01:49:44.600 --> 01:49:50.600]  File them in Pennsylvania. File them in Arkansas.
[01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:51.600]  Really?
[01:49:51.600 --> 01:50:00.600]  Sure. That's tampering with the government document. Aggravated perjury.
[01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:14.600]  Okay. This person is saying that he has capacity. Is that the perjury? He's saying he has capacity to take this action when he doesn't have this capacity.
[01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:24.600]  When he can't as a matter of law because he's claiming to be an agent for a dead guy.
[01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:35.600]  How did the dead guy order you to give away his property?
[01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:47.600]  This is what Judge Schreck went to in New York, calling them vampire lenders. They rise up from the dead and give orders to their agents.
[01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:51.600]  Wow. That becomes very interesting.
[01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:57.600]  Nobody takes them on that way. This is aggravated perjury tampering with the government document.
[01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:02.600]  Tampering is generally a felony. Aggravated perjury is certainly a felony.
[01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:06.600]  Are there civil penalties for this kind of thing?
[01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:14.600]  Absolutely. Criminal doesn't have anything to do with civil. Criminal doesn't in any way affect your civil remedy.
[01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:24.600]  But what criminal will do is affect the politics. This guy's probably filed a thousand of these.
[01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:26.600]  Oh yeah. That's a good thing.
[01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:35.600]  He's going to be jumping up and down. Now they have something more important to worry about than your mortgage.
[01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:42.600]  Would it be a good course of action to contact the Attorney General and try to get them to hammer this out?
[01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:44.600]  Yes.
[01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:49.600]  You might look at the criminal procedure code in Arkansas.
[01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:51.600]  Okay.
[01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:56.600]  Wait a minute. What we might be able to do is file it in the Fed.
[01:51:56.600 --> 01:52:06.600]  But the problem with filing in the Fed is they're more political than anything. The FBI is just simply bought and paid for.
[01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:09.600]  Yeah, I know that.
[01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:15.600]  It's hard to get to him to do. You're more likely to get something done in the state.
[01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:23.600]  The act was committed in the state and just because this guy, you don't know where this guy lives apparently.
[01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:25.600]  I don't know where he lives?
[01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:32.600]  Yeah. The guy who signed the document, does it have his personal address on it?
[01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:43.600]  No, it doesn't have his personal address. It seems to suggest, and I've seen it in affidavits and other cases by Linzavoniac and others,
[01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:52.600]  these are calling him robo-signer in a lot of instances, but it seems to simply suggest that he is indeed an employee of...
[01:52:52.600 --> 01:53:12.600]  I'm getting at venue or at jurisdiction where I'm looking at a way to file in the state and keep this in the state.
[01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:20.600]  I got it. They're in Utah. They filed it in a county in the state of Arkansas.
[01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:28.600]  It would seem that this action is being taken within that state and it's a matter within that state to me.
[01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:33.600]  Was the notary in Utah?
[01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:35.600]  Yes, the notary is in Utah.
[01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:43.600]  Okay. Then the notary would be named as well. Well, not necessarily.
[01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:52.600]  The notary only verified the signature, but that indicates that it was signed and that the act was committed in Utah.
[01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:54.600]  Right.
[01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:59.600]  So he might file criminal charges against him in Utah.
[01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:04.600]  Now, I can't see a way to keep it in the state. This will go to the Fed.
[01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:11.600]  So it probably should be filed in the Fed and you can file it in the Fed local to where you're at.
[01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:16.600]  Well, we've already discussed that and that sounds great.
[01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:32.600]  Well, it's an interesting fight to have because we've got a way of going after the U.S. prosecutor and bringing political mayhem on him that he's not going to want.
[01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:45.600]  Yeah, I'm figuring and here's a question for you. If it's filed in the Fed, then the Fed is a lot more friendly to MERS than the state law would be in the state of Arkansas.
[01:54:45.600 --> 01:55:01.600]  This is something that's only criminal and aggravated perjury and wrong and invalid and void on its face based on the law in the state of Arkansas from what I understand.
[01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:05.600]  So Arkansas may be the best place to file it.
[01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:10.600]  I have someone else on the line. Let me bring him up.
[01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:12.600]  OK.
[01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:14.600]  Hello, Mark.
[01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:17.600]  Mark, I want you to meet Mark.
[01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:20.600]  Mark, meet Mark.
[01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:21.600]  Hello.
[01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:23.600]  Hi, Mark.
[01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:30.600]  This is the other Mark I told you about in Wisconsin and I'd wanted to introduce you to for a long time.
[01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:32.600]  Yeah. Hi there.
[01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:33.600]  Hello.
[01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:35.600]  Thank you.
[01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:46.600]  You two are both causing lots of trouble and Mark, you might be able to help. Mark, this is confusing with the FDCPA.
[01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:50.600]  Haven't you done a lot of debt collection stuff?
[01:55:50.600 --> 01:56:01.600]  I've done very little debt collection stuff. I've spent most of my time going after and making trouble for lawyers directly.
[01:56:01.600 --> 01:56:08.600]  The debt collection stuff, I'm familiar with it.
[01:56:08.600 --> 01:56:14.600]  OK. That must be – I've got two Marks from Wisconsin. Are you in Madison?
[01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:17.600]  No, I'm not the Madison one.
[01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:25.600]  OK. We have a Mark in Madison, Wisconsin, and he's the one that worked on the debt collector, so these are the wrong ones.
[01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:36.600]  OK. Back to Mark in Texas. Yeah, I think you've – nobody's been doing this – nobody's been taking this tactic of going after these guys criminally.
[01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:42.600]  And Mark in Wisconsin is going to like this part because he's a troublemaker.
[01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:46.600]  You know how those Yankees are. They like to start trouble.
[01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:51.600]  If I knew how to do it, I'd be doing it too, so I'm open to learning.
[01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:58.600]  Well, the way I'm looking at this is, you know, I keep saying everything's political.
[01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:04.600]  In the end, it's not about the law. It's about politics, and politics is all about the money.
[01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:08.600]  Right. How do we get the states and the attorney generals involved?
[01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:15.600]  They need to recognize criminal activity happening inside their states so that they can get off their asses and do something.
[01:57:15.600 --> 01:57:31.600]  You can file a complaint with the attorney general in the state because he has – in most states, the attorney general has prosecutorial powers, not here in Texas, but in most other states they do.
[01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:45.600]  But if you – you know, you listen to what we do with running a process on people, on public officials, as a routine, is you can do the same thing with the Fed.
[01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:55.600]  You file a complaint with the federal grand jury, and the prosecuting attorney will pick it up and secret it from them.
[01:57:55.600 --> 01:58:09.600]  And then you file against the prosecuting attorney, and you start creating ugly politics for the federal attorney and the U.S. attorney, and he is not going to like that and get him to go back and pressure these guys.
[01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:17.600]  I am sorry we are out of time. Mark, Wisconsin, I'm sorry we didn't have time to get to you.
[01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:22.600]  If you'll call in next week, we'll – you've got to call in before the last segment.
[01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:27.600]  Put us together via email if you can, please. Please, yes.
[01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:34.600]  Send me an email, Mark, in Wisconsin. I'll send it to Mark in Texas. I'd like to get you guys talking.
[01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:35.600]  Will do. Thanks, sir.
[01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:36.600]  All right.
[01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:49.600]  Thank you, guys. We'll be back next week. Thank you all for listening, and good night.
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