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[00:21.000 --> 00:28.000] Markets for the 11th of June, 2015 opened up with gold at $1,181.10 an ounce, silver
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[00:42.000 --> 00:47.000] Today in history, Monday, June 11, 2001, Timothy McVeigh is executed by a lethal injection
[00:47.000 --> 00:57.000] for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing of April 19, 1995.
[00:57.000 --> 01:02.000] In recent news, Ali Amin, a 17-year-old from Manassas, Virginia, pleaded guilty in court
[01:02.000 --> 01:05.000] today to charges of conspiring to help ISIS.
[01:05.000 --> 01:09.000] Apparently, he used his Twitter account and blog to provide instructions on how to send
[01:09.000 --> 01:11.000] Bitcoin to the Islamic State.
[01:11.000 --> 01:14.000] He also helped Reza and Dikdad to travel to Syria to join them.
[01:14.000 --> 01:19.000] This is the first time the United States has prosecuted a minor as an adult in such a case.
[01:19.000 --> 01:26.000] He faces up to 15 years in prison when sentenced on August 28.
[01:26.000 --> 01:31.000] The American Civil Liberties Union representing Gavin Grimm has filed complaints against Goldcester
[01:31.000 --> 01:33.000] County School Board in Richmond, Virginia.
[01:33.000 --> 01:39.000] The complaint states that Grimm, 16, was designated female at birth but has a male gender identity.
[01:39.000 --> 01:44.000] He has been diagnosed as having gender dysphoria, a medical condition characterized by distress
[01:44.000 --> 01:48.000] stemming from conflict between a person's gender identity and the person's assigned sex at birth.
[01:48.000 --> 01:52.000] Apparently, he had used the communal restrooms without incident until the board responding
[01:52.000 --> 01:56.000] to complaints from local residents adopted a policy in December requiring transgender
[01:56.000 --> 01:58.000] students to use a private facility.
[01:58.000 --> 02:05.000] The ACLU is suing to get him to be able to use them.
[02:05.000 --> 02:09.000] The Lightsail spacecraft, a privately funded space project by members of the Planetary
[02:09.000 --> 02:15.000] Society, demonstrated how a tiny motor could unfurl four thin Mylar films into an area
[02:15.000 --> 02:16.000] as big as a living room.
[02:16.000 --> 02:17.000] What for, you ask?
[02:17.000 --> 02:22.000] It is the practice of a space propulsion technique known as solar sailing.
[02:22.000 --> 02:27.000] The basic idea is to use the pressure of photons from the sun against a film to generate forward momentum.
[02:27.000 --> 02:31.000] Confirmation via a Lightsail selfie finally came in on Tuesday.
[02:31.000 --> 02:35.000] Pontic managers are trying to run other tests to put the spacecraft through before it succumbs
[02:35.000 --> 02:45.000] to Earth's gravity and is pulled back into the atmosphere sometime this weekend.
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[03:24.000 --> 03:52.000] OK, we are back.
[03:52.000 --> 03:57.000] Randy Kelton, Wheelbar Radio, here with Jeff Sedgwick, and we're talking to Tom in Texas.
[03:57.000 --> 04:02.000] OK, Tom, this is the most fun that I have.
[04:02.000 --> 04:06.000] And we talked about this last night.
[04:06.000 --> 04:10.000] Open Records is just so much fun.
[04:10.000 --> 04:15.000] I wrote a response to Open Records' request today.
[04:15.000 --> 04:19.000] Well, to Open Records' response.
[04:19.000 --> 04:24.000] I requested all of the emails of this JP.
[04:24.000 --> 04:33.000] And the JP wrote me a letter telling me that her emails were government, were court records,
[04:33.000 --> 04:43.000] and therefore were exempt from the Texas Open Government Act.
[04:43.000 --> 04:51.000] And she listed a whole list of things that the court records were restricted.
[04:51.000 --> 04:56.000] And I thought, is that a fact, Jack?
[04:56.000 --> 05:00.000] I wrote a response saying, well, they may be.
[05:00.000 --> 05:13.000] But if they are, you may not refuse to make them available unless you first request an opinion from the state attorney general.
[05:13.000 --> 05:20.000] And inasmuch as I have no copy of a petition for a request to the state attorney general,
[05:20.000 --> 05:28.000] and your 15-day time limit ran out yesterday, you need to come up with some kind of grounds.
[05:28.000 --> 05:31.000] Now, this is what I've written to the lawyer.
[05:31.000 --> 05:46.000] To show that your actions in this case were not actions of fomenting litigation for the purpose of denying me in my right to Open Records.
[05:46.000 --> 05:50.000] I had so much fun writing that.
[05:50.000 --> 05:55.000] She listed five different issues, and I rebutted each one of them.
[05:55.000 --> 05:57.000] And oh, it was so much fun.
[05:57.000 --> 05:59.000] Okay, Open Records.
[05:59.000 --> 06:02.000] There's a strategy.
[06:02.000 --> 06:16.000] First, you want to ask them for records in a way that will cause them to wonder what you're looking for.
[06:16.000 --> 06:26.000] And what I like to do is try to get them to ask me why I want to see records.
[06:26.000 --> 06:34.000] And when I filed this particular request, the clerk asked me why I wanted to see them.
[06:34.000 --> 06:37.000] And I told her, don't ask me that.
[06:37.000 --> 06:40.000] She said, well, I'm asking you that.
[06:40.000 --> 06:49.000] I said, no, you're not, because if you were asking me that, I'd have to get the bailiffs down here to arrest you for Class A misdemeanor,
[06:49.000 --> 06:58.000] unofficial misconduct, criminal violation, 552 government codes. Now, I don't want to take on these clerks.
[06:58.000 --> 07:02.000] I want the judge to ask me why I want to see them.
[07:02.000 --> 07:08.000] And when she asks me why I want to see them, that gets a 911 call.
[07:08.000 --> 07:16.000] I gave in a request to a different JP, and the clerk, they always get real snippy.
[07:16.000 --> 07:23.000] And she got pretty snippy and said, well, Vila, as a matter of policy, we will send this to the district attorney's office.
[07:23.000 --> 07:29.000] And I said, well, I'm certain you have a right to do that, but make no mistake about it.
[07:29.000 --> 07:35.000] You have 15 days to respond. I will not be reasonable.
[07:35.000 --> 07:42.000] I will not be understanding on the 16th day I will be filing criminal charges with the grand jury.
[07:42.000 --> 07:45.000] If I don't have these records, do we understand each other?
[07:45.000 --> 07:50.000] Yes, Mr. Golden, we understand each other. She stomped off.
[07:50.000 --> 07:54.000] Oh, I so enjoyed that.
[07:54.000 --> 08:15.000] When you exercise a right, if anyone says anything to you or does anything that would in any way give you reason to feel concern,
[08:15.000 --> 08:31.000] 3606 penal code, obstruction or retaliation. If I get a bailiff, stand next to me or follow me around, I call 911.
[08:31.000 --> 08:43.000] If I can get a bailiff to speak harshly to me, I call 911 and tell them the bailiff, this guy is agitated.
[08:43.000 --> 08:48.000] That's what they want to say to you about you. They want to say you're agitated.
[08:48.000 --> 08:52.000] So if I get one with attitude, I call 911.
[08:52.000 --> 09:05.000] 911 is recorded and tell them I got a guy here with a gun and he is agitated and I'm concerned for my safety.
[09:05.000 --> 09:11.000] You just haven't lived until you call 911 on the police.
[09:11.000 --> 09:15.000] Do they run down the hall to you?
[09:15.000 --> 09:17.000] Do what?
[09:17.000 --> 09:20.000] Do they run down the hall to get to you?
[09:20.000 --> 09:25.000] No, they don't. They want to go the other way.
[09:25.000 --> 09:33.000] Ken Magnuson, who called earlier, he called me one day and he said, what were you doing in Mansfield?
[09:33.000 --> 09:43.000] I said minding my business, Ken. He said my brother called, his brother was the city attorney for the city of Mansfield.
[09:43.000 --> 09:50.000] He said you were down there causing trouble and one of the officers said you were agitated.
[09:50.000 --> 10:07.000] I said, Ken, ask Craig if that officer said that I got agitated before I asked him to take his chicken suit off or after I asked him to take his chicken suit off.
[10:07.000 --> 10:10.000] I always ask him that.
[10:10.000 --> 10:25.000] And I tell him daily if I want him to do something that he doesn't want to do or like I talked to Doyle 911 and a policeman comes out and he doesn't want to take my complaint, I tell him, officer, I need you to take your chicken suit off.
[10:25.000 --> 10:36.000] And I try to do it in a way that sounds like kind of joking to kind of lighten the mood, but that's not why I'm doing it.
[10:36.000 --> 10:44.000] I'm doing it because they will always want to say that you're agitated.
[10:44.000 --> 10:52.000] And if I ask him to take the chicken suit off, it just screws that up big time.
[10:52.000 --> 11:15.000] If you're attempting to file a complaint and anyone says anything that you can construe as in any way threatening like giving you sage grandfatherly advice saying, you know, you have to really be careful doing stuff like that.
[11:15.000 --> 11:18.000] You could get in serious trouble.
[11:18.000 --> 11:23.000] What's that one, Tom?
[11:23.000 --> 11:28.000] That's 3605, tampering with a witness.
[11:28.000 --> 11:29.000] It is.
[11:29.000 --> 11:30.000] Let me ask you this.
[11:30.000 --> 11:40.000] Should I file my civil suit in Texas State Court or a federal lawsuit and should I file it concurrently with a criminal complaint?
[11:40.000 --> 11:48.000] Well, generally, okay, your suit, it depends on the nature of the suit.
[11:48.000 --> 12:07.000] If you're not making a federal claim against these officers, like a due process claim under 18 U.S. Code 242 of denying you a due process, but you're making a claim, say, of official oppression under 3903.
[12:07.000 --> 12:14.000] And you're suing based on that, the harm as a result of that, you do that in the state court.
[12:14.000 --> 12:15.000] Okay.
[12:15.000 --> 12:28.000] If you're making your claim under 18 U.S. Code 242, and they read exactly the same, that they're denying you a due process, you file that in the federal court.
[12:28.000 --> 12:38.000] The rule generally is sue the state in the Fed and the Fed in the state.
[12:38.000 --> 12:42.000] And frankly, if you sue, you're going to lose.
[12:42.000 --> 12:49.000] It doesn't make any difference how outrageous they are, especially if you don't have a high price lawyer, you're going to lose.
[12:49.000 --> 12:52.000] But that's not why we do that.
[12:52.000 --> 12:55.000] When you sue, everybody gets in trouble.
[12:55.000 --> 12:58.000] Mike Handel has been after him for a long time.
[12:58.000 --> 13:13.000] At least one, maybe two judges and for certain two prosecutors have different jobs now because they tried to fight him and they didn't do it right and he just stomped all over them.
[13:13.000 --> 13:24.000] If we're going to fix the system, we have to get our public officials in a position such that they're more afraid of us than they are their boss.
[13:24.000 --> 13:27.000] Because in the end, we're their boss.
[13:27.000 --> 13:30.000] I've said this on the show a lot.
[13:30.000 --> 13:33.000] It is my ultimate purpose.
[13:33.000 --> 13:47.000] My ultimate intended outcome is to put every judge in the country in a position such that when he steps up behind the bench and looks out across the bar at the gallery, I want him wondering which one.
[13:47.000 --> 13:55.000] Which one of those scoundrels out there are waiting for me to render a ruling so he can run down the grand jury and try to keep me indicted?
[13:55.000 --> 13:57.000] And that's what we're doing now.
[13:57.000 --> 14:03.000] We're filing complaints against judges for minor little things.
[14:03.000 --> 14:14.000] All of these information requests I filed, not one of them notified me of when I could come down and examine the records I requested.
[14:14.000 --> 14:24.000] All of them get criminal complaints to the grand jury in counties other than the county where it occurred.
[14:24.000 --> 14:29.000] I don't really want any of these people indicted.
[14:29.000 --> 14:32.000] I just want them to have to dance.
[14:32.000 --> 14:44.000] Can people get money off the bond that the notary files for her activity?
[14:44.000 --> 14:46.000] Oh, absolutely.
[14:46.000 --> 14:48.000] You want to ask for her bond.
[14:48.000 --> 14:51.000] You want to ask for the police officer's bond.
[14:51.000 --> 14:54.000] You want to know who the bonding company is for the city.
[14:54.000 --> 14:58.000] You want to know who their insurance carriers are.
[14:58.000 --> 15:14.000] Just look for information that would point toward how this came about that a notary would robo-sign tickets.
[15:14.000 --> 15:28.000] And I have to understand something wrong here because according to the state legislature, when the police officer wipes the ticket, it's presumed to be authenticated.
[15:28.000 --> 15:32.000] They don't have to have it notarized.
[15:32.000 --> 15:38.000] So why on earth would these morons go in there and put an improper notary on it?
[15:38.000 --> 15:41.000] Somebody has not read the code.
[15:41.000 --> 15:45.000] Are they just not a police officer? Maybe they're part-time or something.
[15:45.000 --> 15:47.000] I don't know.
[15:47.000 --> 15:49.000] It's just not required.
[15:49.000 --> 15:50.000] Go ahead, Jeff.
[15:50.000 --> 15:57.000] There might be something else in play that we don't know about that we probably should know about.
[15:57.000 --> 16:03.000] He's in Texas, and the code in Texas goes right square to whiten the ticket.
[16:03.000 --> 16:08.000] When a police officer wipes the ticket, it's presumed to be notarized.
[16:08.000 --> 16:11.000] They don't have to have some play that you need to know about.
[16:11.000 --> 16:19.000] Right. There might be something new or some change, or they just might be boneheads.
[16:19.000 --> 16:22.000] But even if there is, do you realize?
[16:22.000 --> 16:25.000] They might be creating commercial instruments.
[16:25.000 --> 16:27.000] Wait, say that again?
[16:27.000 --> 16:32.000] They might be creating commercial instruments.
[16:32.000 --> 16:39.000] With the acknowledgment that goes to commercial instruments, that is interesting.
[16:39.000 --> 16:41.000] Hang on.
[16:41.000 --> 16:44.000] I don't know that.
[16:44.000 --> 16:46.000] Okay, hang on. We're about to go to break.
[16:46.000 --> 16:48.000] We'll pick that up on the other side.
[16:48.000 --> 16:50.000] This is Randy Kelton, Wheel of Law Radio.
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[19:39.000 --> 19:47.000] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio, here with Jeff Cedric, and we're talking to Tom in Texas.
[19:47.000 --> 19:59.000] Okay, Tom, I never did ask you. What is your purpose here? What are you trying to achieve at what you're doing here?
[19:59.000 --> 20:09.000] My purpose is to have them stop what they're doing. It is a money mailed down. There are all these people, there's hundreds and hundreds of people every day go through these lines.
[20:09.000 --> 20:19.000] And every one of their tickets are being notarized, and I feel like they're just getting away with, they're just raking the people up their money.
[20:19.000 --> 20:34.000] I want them to stop, and that's what I want. I want them to go by the law, which is going to be very difficult, but I want a change in the way they do things.
[20:34.000 --> 20:53.000] Good. That's a good purpose. We get more people doing this. It's all about the money. They're just, all they care about is money. They don't care about rule of law. They don't care about our safety.
[20:53.000 --> 21:01.000] It's all about money. If they cared about our safety, they wouldn't force us to stop in the middle of the road where we could get killed.
[21:01.000 --> 21:10.000] Because now, if you don't stop immediately, then they charge you with evading.
[21:10.000 --> 21:18.000] So the next cop that turns his lights on on me, I'm going to stop right in the middle of the road.
[21:18.000 --> 21:32.000] And then I tell him I didn't want him to arrest me for evading. But they've created this problem, and the only way we're going to get stopped is to get more people fighting them.
[21:32.000 --> 21:36.000] Or they get cops killed in traffic.
[21:36.000 --> 21:38.000] Wait, say that again?
[21:38.000 --> 21:41.000] Or they get cops who are killed in traffic.
[21:41.000 --> 21:48.000] Yes. And if they get someone killed in traffic, it'll be our fault, not their fault.
[21:48.000 --> 21:54.000] I just gave a set of complaints to the Sheriff's Department that I was taking to the grand jury.
[21:54.000 --> 22:06.000] And because I told them, you know, I don't want to get these guys indicted and possibly in jail, but I don't want them doing to somebody else what they did to me, drug me out of the courthouse.
[22:06.000 --> 22:13.000] Threw me down in a way that was deliberately intended to smash my face in the concrete.
[22:13.000 --> 22:22.000] And they did that because I called 911 three times.
[22:22.000 --> 22:38.000] And immediately, the number three man in the Sheriff's Department, Tarrant County, could care less what happened. He only wanted to figure out how he could keep his officers from having to answer for what they did.
[22:38.000 --> 22:42.000] Absolutely did not care what they did.
[22:42.000 --> 22:56.000] So when he doesn't take action, I'll go to the grand jury with criminal charges against him or actually against the sheriff himself as responding at Superior.
[22:56.000 --> 23:00.000] More of us need to do that.
[23:00.000 --> 23:05.000] Not get your face smashed in the concrete. You can avoid that part.
[23:05.000 --> 23:10.000] But we need to take them to task.
[23:10.000 --> 23:24.000] We need to let them know that you never know which ordinary citizen that you pull over to give a ticket is going to be the one to give you a romp through the legal system you are not going to believe.
[23:24.000 --> 23:29.000] I'm considering trying to draw some media attention to this.
[23:29.000 --> 23:32.000] And I don't know if that would be beneficial or if it would even work.
[23:32.000 --> 23:34.000] Maybe that might help.
[23:34.000 --> 23:40.000] I have never gained benefit from media coverage.
[23:40.000 --> 23:43.000] First off, can I make a suggestion on that?
[23:43.000 --> 23:45.000] Absolutely.
[23:45.000 --> 23:55.000] If you want media coverage or attention, you're going to have to go to a local rag.
[23:55.000 --> 24:02.000] Big boys won't pay attention to it. You need to go to a local rag.
[24:02.000 --> 24:10.000] Every time I've had media cover a story, they always got it wrong.
[24:10.000 --> 24:19.000] Or they covered the story to serve whoever their favorite backer was.
[24:19.000 --> 24:23.000] I have absolutely no confidence in media.
[24:23.000 --> 24:39.000] As to getting public officials to change policy, you want them to be able to change policy and save face.
[24:39.000 --> 24:43.000] I know that may sound counterintuitive.
[24:43.000 --> 24:53.000] But if you stand up in front of me and I ask you to hold your hand up with your palm out and I reach up and I push against your palm, you're going to push back.
[24:53.000 --> 24:56.000] What do human beings do?
[24:56.000 --> 25:06.000] If I get the media to write negative stories toward them, they're going to try to get the media to write negative stories toward me,
[25:06.000 --> 25:12.000] and they're going to try to make themselves look good no matter what.
[25:12.000 --> 25:26.000] But if I sting them in private and never make a big deal about it, like I go to the grand jury with complaints against the prosecutor and these two judges,
[25:26.000 --> 25:33.000] I have not went to the media, and neither has the prosecuting attorney.
[25:33.000 --> 25:43.000] It has been real hush-hush. But every person that is named has been contacted by an investigator,
[25:43.000 --> 25:47.000] and they know that they have been presented to a grand jury.
[25:47.000 --> 25:53.000] And they're sitting there waiting to see if their career is going to end tomorrow.
[25:53.000 --> 26:01.000] And then when the grand jury nobills, they're going to be thinking, whew, I dodged that bullet.
[26:01.000 --> 26:04.000] They're not going to want to go there again.
[26:04.000 --> 26:15.000] This particular filing has had the same effect as the last time I filed against, filed a major complaint.
[26:15.000 --> 26:18.000] I filed against all of the highest judges in Texas.
[26:18.000 --> 26:24.000] We have two high courts, Supreme Criminal Appeals, 15 judges in the Criminal Appeals.
[26:24.000 --> 26:28.000] I filed criminal charges against all of them.
[26:28.000 --> 26:32.000] It took a year to get that to a grand jury.
[26:32.000 --> 26:39.000] The grand jury got it on their first day in office and held it until their last day in office, and no billed.
[26:39.000 --> 26:47.000] So for three months, all the highest judges in Texas are wondering if their career is going to end tomorrow.
[26:47.000 --> 26:52.000] An indictment would call for Quarantoo removal from office.
[26:52.000 --> 26:59.000] And it's in the hands of the grand jury, and there is not anything they can do about it.
[26:59.000 --> 27:05.000] Whatever political clout they have, it fades away before that grand jury door.
[27:05.000 --> 27:08.000] So they didn't get indicted.
[27:08.000 --> 27:14.000] But the thing I complained about does not happen in Texas anymore.
[27:14.000 --> 27:16.000] I filed a habeas corpus.
[27:16.000 --> 27:18.000] They demanded a motion for leave to file.
[27:18.000 --> 27:24.000] I told the clerk, screw that, the court has no power to grant or deny leave.
[27:24.000 --> 27:27.000] It's the writ of right.
[27:27.000 --> 27:31.000] Well, they refused to take it unless I filed a motion for leave.
[27:31.000 --> 27:34.000] Wasn't my fine of trying to get a kid out of jail, so I filed it.
[27:34.000 --> 27:36.000] The court denied it.
[27:36.000 --> 27:39.000] Absolutely no power to do that.
[27:39.000 --> 27:42.000] I went after them immediately.
[27:42.000 --> 27:47.000] Two days after I started filing criminal charges, this kid was out of jail.
[27:47.000 --> 27:51.000] A year later I get him before a grand jury.
[27:51.000 --> 27:56.000] If you go to the court of criminal appeals in Texas and file a really habeas corpus,
[27:56.000 --> 28:00.000] they will not ask you for a motion for leave to file.
[28:00.000 --> 28:03.000] Got that fixed.
[28:03.000 --> 28:07.000] If you go to Johnson County, Texas and file a complaint against a public official,
[28:07.000 --> 28:13.000] the sheriff is going to get that complaint and he's going to hop right on it.
[28:13.000 --> 28:17.000] He is not going to screw around because the prosecutor has told him,
[28:17.000 --> 28:23.000] I'm not having that Kelton guy come and put me in front of another grand jury.
[28:23.000 --> 28:26.000] This is what we want to happen.
[28:26.000 --> 28:30.000] Okay, so that gives me a better understanding of what I need to do
[28:30.000 --> 28:31.000] and how I need to go about it.
[28:31.000 --> 28:34.000] Okay, that's some good words.
[28:34.000 --> 28:39.000] Okay, but above all, don't get too serious.
[28:39.000 --> 28:42.000] This is a great learning experience.
[28:42.000 --> 28:47.000] And since they've already dismissed your case, you don't have anything to lose.
[28:47.000 --> 28:52.000] And just be careful that you don't have too much fun.
[28:52.000 --> 29:01.000] Well, you know, I look at it like that group of fishermen that pulled that swordfish
[29:01.000 --> 29:06.000] onto the boat and it started flopping around and making everybody jump about
[29:06.000 --> 29:07.000] where they're going to get cut.
[29:07.000 --> 29:11.000] Well, I feel like I'm that swordfish, but these guys, they snagged the wrong fish
[29:11.000 --> 29:13.000] and I'm about to start flopping around
[29:13.000 --> 29:17.000] and getting through whatever's getting in the way is going to get cut.
[29:17.000 --> 29:18.000] Wonderful.
[29:18.000 --> 29:28.000] That's exactly what our public officials need to think about, these ordinary civilians.
[29:28.000 --> 29:34.000] I don't ever want one of them to think of me as a civilian.
[29:34.000 --> 29:35.000] Hey, thanks for having me.
[29:35.000 --> 29:38.000] I'll let you go now and I'll let somebody else get to it.
[29:38.000 --> 29:39.000] Thanks, Randy.
[29:39.000 --> 29:41.000] Okay, thank you.
[29:41.000 --> 29:44.000] This is Randy Kelton.
[29:44.000 --> 29:49.000] We will now radio our caller number 512-646-1984.
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[31:09.000 --> 31:13.000] Nothing can replace the security of staff simply knowing the students and their parents.
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[33:24.000 --> 33:31.000] Okay, we are back.
[33:31.000 --> 33:36.000] Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio, here with our special guest, Jeff Cedric,
[33:36.000 --> 33:39.000] and we're going to Don in Indiana.
[33:39.000 --> 33:41.000] Don, what do you have for us today?
[33:41.000 --> 33:50.000] Voice. We could use voice. That's one thing he could have for us.
[33:50.000 --> 33:52.000] Are you there, Don?
[33:52.000 --> 33:55.000] Hello, Randy?
[33:55.000 --> 33:56.000] There you go.
[33:56.000 --> 33:58.000] Randy, can you hear me?
[33:58.000 --> 34:00.000] Yeah, I can hear you now.
[34:00.000 --> 34:05.000] Okay, I had to take my hearing aid out. I don't hear too good.
[34:05.000 --> 34:06.000] Huh?
[34:06.000 --> 34:09.000] I don't hear too good.
[34:09.000 --> 34:12.000] My hearing aid is laying over here next to me.
[34:12.000 --> 34:18.000] Yeah. What I was going to tell you.
[34:18.000 --> 34:31.000] Oh, okay. I got a notice in the mail back in the 29th of May, I believe it was,
[34:31.000 --> 34:38.000] and it says that down in Corona, Indiana, and it's a nuisance ordinance,
[34:38.000 --> 34:41.000] warning to abate nuisance.
[34:41.000 --> 34:50.000] It says I've got, you are hereby warned to abate this nuisance within the next two weeks.
[34:50.000 --> 34:58.000] And let's see, here they got it marked with a yellow pencil on here.
[34:58.000 --> 35:03.000] Any grass weeds obtaining a height of nine inches or more,
[35:03.000 --> 35:08.000] and then they got an X and a square down here, it says mole and or trim,
[35:08.000 --> 35:15.000] and then another one that marks as other, and they have down here in notes,
[35:15.000 --> 35:26.000] there are high weeds and or grass on several areas of the property that need mowed or trimmed.
[35:26.000 --> 35:36.000] Also, any vehicles not inside a structure must be licensed and operable.
[35:36.000 --> 35:43.000] It says thank you, Officer J.B. Wilson.
[35:43.000 --> 35:46.000] Am I talking too loud for you, Randy?
[35:46.000 --> 36:03.000] No, no. I was wondering what did you do to bring yourself within the statutory scheme of the municipality?
[36:03.000 --> 36:09.000] Yeah, okay. Hold on. Let me back up, explain why I said that.
[36:09.000 --> 36:21.000] In your Indiana Constitution, who is authorized to make law?
[36:21.000 --> 36:29.000] What I've listened to the programs on your station there is the legislature.
[36:29.000 --> 36:31.000] Exactly.
[36:31.000 --> 36:45.000] And does the Constitution authorize the legislature to delegate its lawmaking authority?
[36:45.000 --> 36:53.000] That was kind of a rhetorical question because I've never heard of a Constitution that does.
[36:53.000 --> 37:01.000] And this is an issue that's probably better for Eddie Craig.
[37:01.000 --> 37:17.000] He takes this on more than I do, and his argument is very well founded that a city invokes or passes city ordinances.
[37:17.000 --> 37:23.000] This is a little town. It's about a population of maybe 400.
[37:23.000 --> 37:26.000] Oh, okay. That's a big town. Do you have a red light?
[37:26.000 --> 37:32.000] Oh, no. We were in a big town. We got two red lights now, so we're big time.
[37:32.000 --> 37:37.000] We don't have no bar. We don't even have a gas station.
[37:37.000 --> 37:50.000] Okay. Here's where I'm going to. How did you get yourself involved in the statutory scheme of the municipality?
[37:50.000 --> 38:00.000] The municipality is a municipal corporation, and they can pass corporate rules.
[38:00.000 --> 38:14.000] But what did you do that caused you to agree to abide by their municipal, their corporate rules?
[38:14.000 --> 38:23.000] Yeah, nothing that I know of. I'm having difficulty hearing you, Randy. It's really faint. Can you speak up a little louder, please?
[38:23.000 --> 38:30.000] No, actually, I can't. My mic is maxed out. You might want to stick your hearing aid back in.
[38:30.000 --> 38:38.000] I have to put mine in there once in a while. Turn it up. Just turn it up just till it whistles a little bit.
[38:38.000 --> 38:50.000] Anyway, you might want to call in on this on Monday nights with Eddie Craig because he'll talk about how to take the city on based on their statutory scheme.
[38:50.000 --> 38:58.000] Since they can't write law, that's why they call them ordinances because they're not laws.
[38:58.000 --> 39:05.000] And this is a municipal corporation, and you have to be under contract with the municipal corporation.
[39:05.000 --> 39:21.000] And in a contract wherein you agree to abide by their corporate rules, because that's what an ordinance is, is a corporate rule.
[39:21.000 --> 39:28.000] So you might ask them the question. It's a small town. They've probably never heard those questions before.
[39:28.000 --> 39:44.000] In fact, I think he had a real good program last Monday on it. First time I ever spoke to or not spoke to you, Randy, but I heard you was on, gee, what was the name of that show now?
[39:44.000 --> 39:48.000] I think it wasn't rule of law. It was who was it?
[39:48.000 --> 39:49.000] Oh, Alex Jones?
[39:49.000 --> 39:50.000] Did you see that?
[39:50.000 --> 39:58.000] The Cloud Show. You came on, I think, as a guest about 2009 maybe?
[39:58.000 --> 40:03.000] Yeah, that was probably Alex Jones. I've been on his show a couple of times.
[40:03.000 --> 40:11.000] Yeah, this was, I'm pretty sure this was on Bryce McCloud before they went out of business.
[40:11.000 --> 40:23.000] I used to listen to them all the time, and I heard of this program, so I've been sticking with this one since, oh, God, I don't know about, probably at least 2008.
[40:23.000 --> 40:30.000] Yeah, 2009, that's around the time Bryce McCloud had his stroke.
[40:30.000 --> 40:32.000] Oh, did he have a stroke?
[40:32.000 --> 40:36.000] Yeah, he did. That's when he stopped doing radio and such.
[40:36.000 --> 40:40.000] Oh, he didn't pass away, did he?
[40:40.000 --> 40:44.000] But I haven't heard that he did.
[40:44.000 --> 40:45.000] Yeah.
[40:45.000 --> 40:49.000] I think I probably would have heard if he had, so I don't think so.
[40:49.000 --> 41:03.000] I always thought I had a lot in common with him. We were born about the same time. I'm about 80 years old now, and he was part Indian, and I am also.
[41:03.000 --> 41:12.000] And that's when I kind of felt like I was trying to do a little bit about him.
[41:12.000 --> 41:14.000] Well, I kind of hated to see him go.
[41:14.000 --> 41:18.000] I've never heard of anything happen to him. This is the first I've heard that he had a stroke or anything.
[41:18.000 --> 41:31.000] I had my heart attacks and strokes back in 2008, and that's why I'm having difficulty hearing now, and I can't walk.
[41:31.000 --> 41:40.000] And I never missed Eddie's show on Monday. I'll try and get it this coming Monday. I think that's the 15th, I believe.
[41:40.000 --> 41:50.000] Yeah, he'll have a lot of good suggestions on how you can make the city so that they never want to mess with you again.
[41:50.000 --> 41:52.000] Yeah.
[41:52.000 --> 42:01.000] I went into the little convenience store across the street, and Bobby Jack Cruz said, What did you do to that sheriff's deputy yesterday?
[42:01.000 --> 42:09.000] And he has a police scanner. He always listens to us. I didn't do anything to him. Why? Well, he called in your name and license number,
[42:09.000 --> 42:18.000] and the dispatcher called back and said, Don't you dare write him no tickets. You give him his license and get him out of here.
[42:18.000 --> 42:27.000] What? I was trying to be nice. A friend of mine that was on this.
[42:27.000 --> 42:38.000] I want to send this paperwork and envelope into Eddie. Would it be any better if I sent it by certified mail?
[42:38.000 --> 42:39.000] To Eddie?
[42:39.000 --> 42:41.000] Give me a better chance of him giving it?
[42:41.000 --> 42:46.000] Oh, if you send anything to the city, make sure it's certified mail, return receipt.
[42:46.000 --> 42:51.000] Yeah, but I meant I want to send this notice to Eddie and let him read through it.
[42:51.000 --> 42:59.000] Oh, no, don't send it certified to Eddie. Do you have email?
[42:59.000 --> 43:02.000] Yes, I do have email.
[43:02.000 --> 43:05.000] Oh, good. Yeah, just email it to him.
[43:05.000 --> 43:08.000] My prayer has stopped working.
[43:08.000 --> 43:18.000] And if you have any problem with the email, just go out into the middle of the street, stop the first 10-year-old you see,
[43:18.000 --> 43:27.000] and have him explain to you that this is the 21st century. I have to do that on a regular basis.
[43:27.000 --> 43:33.000] Okay. I'll tell you, I'm having difficulty hearing you.
[43:33.000 --> 43:39.000] Okay. Well, we've got to go to break and get a hold of Eddie. He can help you with this better than I can.
[43:39.000 --> 43:42.000] Okay. We'll see what you have here. Thanks a lot.
[43:42.000 --> 43:50.000] Okay. This is Randy Kelton, Wheelbar Radio. Call in number 512-646-1984.
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[46:25.000 --> 46:30.000] Always I must be careful what I'm wishing for
[46:30.000 --> 46:35.000] When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for
[46:35.000 --> 46:41.000] I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton
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[46:53.000 --> 46:56.000] Vote for bravery and against slavery
[46:56.000 --> 47:00.000] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Rule of Law Radio.
[47:00.000 --> 47:04.000] Here is Mr. Jeff Cedric, and we're going to Terry in Michigan.
[47:04.000 --> 47:06.000] Hello, Terry.
[47:06.000 --> 47:11.000] MUSIC
[47:11.000 --> 47:13.000] Hello, Terry. Are you there?
[47:13.000 --> 47:18.000] MUSIC
[47:18.000 --> 47:24.000] It looks like we probably put Terry to sleep.
[47:24.000 --> 47:29.000] I tend to do this a lot.
[47:29.000 --> 47:34.000] Okay, if he doesn't come on, okay, then we'll go ahead.
[47:34.000 --> 47:45.000] I did want to kind of explain a little more of what we've been doing up here in North Texas.
[47:45.000 --> 47:58.000] We have been trying to get all of our public officials to recognize the problems that they're having,
[47:58.000 --> 48:03.000] I mean, the strength of the ordinary citizen.
[48:03.000 --> 48:12.000] And I kind of touched on this earlier, but grand juries since I began researching for remedy.
[48:12.000 --> 48:21.000] Back in 81, I spent the night in jail for driving with a headlight out, and that did not seem right.
[48:21.000 --> 48:30.000] So when I got out of jail, I went and got the Texas Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, and I read them.
[48:30.000 --> 48:35.000] And I'm an engineer, so for me, they were tech manuals.
[48:35.000 --> 48:41.000] They explained exactly how it was to be done, and then I looked at the actual procedure.
[48:41.000 --> 48:46.000] And I thought, have I stepped through the looking glass?
[48:46.000 --> 48:54.000] How can the practice be so dramatically different than the code?
[48:54.000 --> 49:00.000] So I assumed that there had to be something that I missed.
[49:00.000 --> 49:02.000] So I went to work on it.
[49:02.000 --> 49:08.000] I went to study and everything I could find, went down to the courthouse and looked through court cases.
[49:08.000 --> 49:19.000] It took a good 15 years for me to figure out that when I first read the codes, I had missed a thing.
[49:19.000 --> 49:23.000] The codes meant exactly what they said.
[49:23.000 --> 49:28.000] It's just that public officials weren't following what was in the code.
[49:28.000 --> 49:31.000] Well, it's one thing to realize there's a problem.
[49:31.000 --> 49:35.000] It's quite another to figure out how to fix it.
[49:35.000 --> 49:43.000] So ever since that, okay, we've got a caller called back.
[49:43.000 --> 49:51.000] So ever since figuring out what was wrong, then I spent another 15 years trying to figure out how to fix it.
[49:51.000 --> 49:55.000] And everything pointed to grand jury.
[49:55.000 --> 50:00.000] We do a lot of other stuff, and we try to hold them to rule of law.
[50:00.000 --> 50:08.000] And it became clear that you'll never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[50:08.000 --> 50:11.000] To think so is naive.
[50:11.000 --> 50:13.000] It is not that way now.
[50:13.000 --> 50:18.000] It never has been that way since we've had judges.
[50:18.000 --> 50:24.000] You'll only win your case if you have the politics on your side and all the politics is local.
[50:24.000 --> 50:26.000] That is not a problem.
[50:26.000 --> 50:29.000] It's merely a parameter.
[50:29.000 --> 50:38.000] But a lot of people in the legal reform community have an expectation that the law governs.
[50:38.000 --> 50:46.000] In fact, we have a psychological need for the law to govern.
[50:46.000 --> 50:56.000] Because if the law does not govern, what do we trust and rely on?
[50:56.000 --> 51:01.000] And what I find is a lot of cognitive dissonance.
[51:01.000 --> 51:10.000] I went to a Justice of the Peace in the town I live in, and the Justice of the Peace was Mark Autry.
[51:10.000 --> 51:14.000] He's a Baptist preacher, and I don't hold that against him.
[51:14.000 --> 51:23.000] But I believe that Mark Autry will do what he believes is right if it hairlift the pope.
[51:23.000 --> 51:30.000] And when I showed him the code as opposed to the practice, he looked at it and he said,
[51:30.000 --> 51:38.000] Mr. Kelton, I've been in law enforcement for 20 years, and then I've been a JP for another 10 or 12.
[51:38.000 --> 51:44.000] And you're telling me that everything I've been doing for the last 30 years is wrong,
[51:44.000 --> 51:48.000] that everybody in Texas is wrong and you're right.
[51:48.000 --> 51:51.000] I said, don't ask me, Mark.
[51:51.000 --> 51:53.000] I didn't write the code, I just read it.
[51:53.000 --> 51:56.000] Look at it, this is what it says.
[51:56.000 --> 52:02.000] And he said, Mr. Kelton, you have to have missed something.
[52:02.000 --> 52:12.000] He could not accept that what he had been taught and what he had been doing for the last 20 years was simply wrong.
[52:12.000 --> 52:18.000] So this is what we have to overcome.
[52:18.000 --> 52:20.000] So how do we overcome it?
[52:20.000 --> 52:27.000] Well, it turns out that our founders, when they put this country together,
[52:27.000 --> 52:34.000] they were very wise and they instituted this concept of a grand jury.
[52:34.000 --> 52:43.000] Grand jury was originally put in place so that the king could not accuse you, then try you.
[52:43.000 --> 52:52.000] The only way you could be prosecuted is by a proclamation of a grand jury of your peers.
[52:52.000 --> 52:57.000] So it takes the initiation of a prosecution out of the king's hand.
[52:57.000 --> 53:04.000] They had lived under a king who could accuse you, then prosecute you, and they understood the injustice of it.
[53:04.000 --> 53:11.000] So they put the grand jury in place, and it was a stroke of genius.
[53:11.000 --> 53:17.000] The only problem we have with grand jury is we're not using them.
[53:17.000 --> 53:26.000] I hear a lot of this huffing and puffing about how grand juries are handpicked by prosecutors
[53:26.000 --> 53:29.000] and how the prosecutor controls the grand jury.
[53:29.000 --> 53:34.000] Absolutely untrue.
[53:34.000 --> 53:43.000] I went to Travis County, Cedar Government. They've got four grand juries at any one time.
[53:43.000 --> 53:49.000] And every day when they hear cases, when they're finished, they come to the court,
[53:49.000 --> 53:57.000] and they give notice of true bill or no bill, and the clerk makes notes in the minutes of the court.
[53:57.000 --> 54:01.000] So I went in and looked at the minutes of the court.
[54:01.000 --> 54:12.000] Every single set of minutes I looked at had at least one no bill, sometimes five, six, seven, eight.
[54:12.000 --> 54:21.000] It was clear that these grand juries that I looked at, all of them, every single grand jury,
[54:21.000 --> 54:31.000] every single day, no bills somebody. So the prosecutor was not controlling these grand jurors.
[54:31.000 --> 54:37.000] I had my prosecutor once. I went to see him, and I like to think we're personal friends.
[54:37.000 --> 54:41.000] And he's sitting there with his head in his hand, and I said, Greg, what's the matter?
[54:41.000 --> 54:49.000] He said, those darn grand jurors, you never know what they're going to do.
[54:49.000 --> 54:53.000] And I thought, there is a God.
[54:53.000 --> 55:01.000] I could not have heard anything better for a prosecuting attorney to feel that way.
[55:01.000 --> 55:05.000] He presented a known drug dealer. The guy's name was DeVia.
[55:05.000 --> 55:11.000] Anybody in the county I live in knows that name as drug dealers.
[55:11.000 --> 55:17.000] Caught him with enough to charge him with distributing. They no billed him.
[55:17.000 --> 55:24.000] A lawyer just got his bar card, had a party, had too much to drink, drive it home, gets a DUI.
[55:24.000 --> 55:31.000] Prosecutors said, man, I did not want to present him. This is going to ruin his career before it gets started.
[55:31.000 --> 55:38.000] But it was my job. They no billed a lawyer and no bills a drug dealer.
[55:38.000 --> 55:48.000] And Greg was just distraught. Prosecutors do not control the grand juries.
[55:48.000 --> 55:55.000] Taking a public official before a grand jury is like playing Russian roulette with his career.
[55:55.000 --> 56:06.000] Sure, they think the prosecutor's going in, going to go in there, and he's going to do everything he can to make sure that I don't get indicted.
[56:06.000 --> 56:19.000] But what if there's one chump on that jury who happens to hate me or hate judges or hate public officials?
[56:19.000 --> 56:22.000] It's Russian roulette for them.
[56:22.000 --> 56:33.000] And in order to overcome that, what we've begun to do is take the complaints to other counties.
[56:33.000 --> 56:44.000] Because while your prosecutor may try to protect you, that in no case means a prosecutor in another county will try to protect you.
[56:44.000 --> 57:06.000] So we've created a situation here where public officials are put in a position to where ordinary citizens can come in and put their careers in jeopardy and even their freedom in jeopardy.
[57:06.000 --> 57:11.000] It is not that we want the public official indicted.
[57:11.000 --> 57:21.000] When I filed these complaints against the Dallas County District Attorney, the assistant district attorney there said, Mr. Kelton, we've talked before and you said you didn't want these people indicted.
[57:21.000 --> 57:26.000] I said, absolutely not. But I didn't want them to do these things either.
[57:26.000 --> 57:33.000] I didn't want the district attorney to have me escorted out of the courthouse at constructive gunpoint.
[57:33.000 --> 57:38.000] I didn't want that either. I don't want any of this.
[57:38.000 --> 57:42.000] This is my job. This is my duty.
[57:42.000 --> 57:46.000] If they get indicted, it is what it is.
[57:46.000 --> 57:51.000] I don't have to like it, but it's our job to do it.
[57:51.000 --> 58:01.000] And if we can get more of you out there doing this, we really can take our system back.
[58:01.000 --> 58:08.000] Because for public officials, absolutely, the grand jury is the scariest thing out there.
[58:08.000 --> 58:12.000] Terry, Terry, are you back with us?
[58:12.000 --> 58:13.000] Yes, ma'am.
[58:13.000 --> 58:17.000] Okay, hang on. We're about to go to break.
[58:17.000 --> 58:19.000] As soon as we come back, we will pick you up.
[58:19.000 --> 58:24.000] I'm sorry if I put you to sleep. I have this effect on a lot of people.
[58:24.000 --> 58:33.000] Okay. Randy Kelton here with Jeff Cedric, Wheel of Life Radio. I call it number 512-646-1984.
[58:33.000 --> 58:50.000] We'll be right back.
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[01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:59.520] Okay, great. What I was calling about is I sent you an email about five minutes before
[01:03:59.520 --> 01:04:11.620] you went on air with a copy of my pleasing. What I've got going here is I have the defendants
[01:04:11.620 --> 01:04:18.860] renewed motion to dismiss and or compel arbitration. They're trying to get me into an arbitration
[01:04:18.860 --> 01:04:26.600] outside of the court, the mandatory binding arbitration. And so I've written up a response.
[01:04:26.600 --> 01:04:35.880] Okay, hold on. Back up. Give us a, orient us as to the nature of the case and who you're
[01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:50.120] writing the case. Okay, it's a Fair Credit Reporting Act case. And they're trying to
[01:04:50.120 --> 01:04:58.440] move it from the court. If you're trying to dismiss it and compel mandatory binding arbitration
[01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:05.840] outside of the court. And what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stop them from going
[01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.440] to the side of the court, staying within the federal court.
[01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:21.640] Oh dear. Okay. Did they produce a contract that you actually signed wherein you agreed
[01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:23.640] to binding arbitration?
[01:05:23.640 --> 01:05:30.520] Well, they're saying they did. I don't remember signing one. And I put that in my pleadings
[01:05:30.520 --> 01:05:31.520] that-
[01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:32.520] No, no, no, no.
[01:05:32.520 --> 01:05:33.520] Question.
[01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:34.520] Did they produce one?
[01:05:34.520 --> 01:05:37.640] They produced a copy of one.
[01:05:37.640 --> 01:05:45.360] Object. You never saw that document. You didn't sign that document. You don't know anything
[01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:46.920] about that document.
[01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:57.400] Well, this is what I've put down in my response is, a plaintiff does not recall signing any
[01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:03.880] arbitration agreement. I deny signing arbitration. I demand the original document be presented.
[01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:09.280] Not a hearsay supposed copy that could be easily faked or fraudulent. I reserve the
[01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:15.160] right to demand affidavits. I reserve the right to subpoena any affiant and or affiant
[01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:24.520] employment records and resume. I reserve the right to object to any and all challenge or
[01:06:24.520 --> 01:06:31.480] I reserve the right to object to and to challenge any evidence presented. And I reserve the right
[01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:41.560] to subpoena any person claiming personal knowledge or to be custodian of records.
[01:06:41.560 --> 01:06:49.000] Okay. Point.
[01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.280] Yeah.
[01:06:52.280 --> 01:07:03.560] Okay. Okay. So where do we go from here? This is a response to renewed motion to dismiss
[01:07:03.560 --> 01:07:11.680] and or compel arbitration. Okay. What does the motion to compel arbitration say concerning
[01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:21.600] arbitration? Okay. Let me back up. There are issues about, there's been issues about arbitration
[01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:29.200] when as concerns credit card companies as for a long time, the credit card companies
[01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:39.560] owned the arbitration company. So the arbitration company was necessarily biased. What does
[01:07:39.560 --> 01:07:54.120] the plaintiff, I mean the defendant here claim is included in the arbitration agreement primarily
[01:07:54.120 --> 01:08:06.000] as to who is the arbitrator? Oh, they're going with American Arbitration Association or National
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:18.440] Arbitration Forum. What do you know about those two? Well, I have in my response there,
[01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:36.200] let's see, that they had the National Arbitration Forum, they filed charges against them in
[01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:53.160] Minnesota and they settled within a couple of days after the charges were filed as for
[01:08:53.160 --> 01:08:59.960] fraudulent activities and several other things.
[01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:11.960] Okay. So if you get to those, you can pretty well disqualify them. So you might want to
[01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:22.400] suggest that if in the case, in the circumstances where the judge does require arbitration,
[01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:30.160] one that it not be binding, that if you're forced to do arbitration, that it only be
[01:09:30.160 --> 01:09:37.920] non-binding and subject to approval of the court. And the other is that you select the
[01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:49.480] arbitration company. Okay. But what did they say? Okay, they produced a document and did
[01:09:49.480 --> 01:10:02.200] that document agree to binding arbitration? It does. Well, yeah, I believe it says that.
[01:10:02.200 --> 01:10:08.920] They're claiming it did. I didn't read the entire copy that they sent, but I believe
[01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:15.760] it does say in there that it says. Okay. But have they not produced the original?
[01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:22.640] They have not, no. Okay. Then they don't have any evidence before the court. You should
[01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:31.560] move for summary judgment on that. No evidence, summary judgment. Okay. You objected to the
[01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:40.760] document. Did the judge rule on the document? I haven't until the 19th to get it in. I just
[01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.800] got done writing it today. And as soon as I got done writing it, I actually emailed
[01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:56.400] the copy to you. And I was having trouble finding case law for it.
[01:10:56.400 --> 01:11:02.680] Okay. I'm reading your document. Court has jurisdiction. Okay. This is not an original
[01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:16.280] pleading. So you don't need the jurisdiction clause. The reason, because in their motion,
[01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:31.480] they're claiming there is no jurisdiction. They actually quoted rule 12B1, no subject
[01:11:31.480 --> 01:11:37.880] matter jurisdiction is what they're claiming. They haven't gone exactly into that. I'm assuming
[01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:42.480] that's because they're saying it's supposed to be arbitration.
[01:11:42.480 --> 01:11:49.760] Okay. Now wait a minute. Wait a minute. They argued, did they file a challenge to subject
[01:11:49.760 --> 01:12:01.640] matter jurisdiction or did they include that as an argument in another pleading? It says
[01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:11.160] renewed motion presumed to have fed RCIP 12B1 and or the Federal Arbitration Act. So they
[01:12:11.160 --> 01:12:15.040] didn't even come up and say subject matter jurisdiction. They just hold it down.
[01:12:15.040 --> 01:12:20.120] Oh, okay. So they're saying, essentially they're saying that the court has no subject matter
[01:12:20.120 --> 01:12:30.440] jurisdiction as you have no capacity to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court
[01:12:30.440 --> 01:12:39.400] as you're required to use binding arbitration. How serendipitous that you should bring such
[01:12:39.400 --> 01:12:53.400] an issue at this, this particular time. Jeff Sedgwick sent me a document that by mistake
[01:12:53.400 --> 01:13:03.280] and it was a document concerning a guy who sold a bunch, either sold or bought a bunch
[01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:09.640] of sold a bunch of stock and sold it right at the right time. He either sold or bought
[01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:20.360] it. Anyway, he made $775,000 and the SEC went to hopping up and down claiming that because
[01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:27.440] he made so much money in this sale that he had to have insider information and they tried
[01:13:27.440 --> 01:13:42.840] to force him into a SEC hearing. And he made a constitutional claim that the SEC in this
[01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:49.280] case if applied to him, since he had never applied for a securities license, he had never
[01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:58.600] agreed to the statutory scheme that the SEC had no power to exert their authority over
[01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:11.140] him and he petitioned the court for a ruling. He claimed that the statute was not generally
[01:14:11.140 --> 01:14:17.400] unconstitutional, but as it was applied to him in this case was unconstitutional and
[01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:22.680] asked for a stand against the other side. And the court came back and said, yes, that
[01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:32.440] you have a concurrent remedy with the federal court, regardless of this SEC filing. So where
[01:14:32.440 --> 01:14:46.280] I'm going is if you have statutory, if you have statutory claims, then if you have claims
[01:14:46.280 --> 01:14:56.520] of wrongdoing and violations of law, they will not fall under arbitration. That only
[01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:04.960] the amounts owed would fall under arbitration. That only the federal courts can rule on whether
[01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:10.800] or not a federal law has been violated. And that's not subject to arbitration. Does that
[01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:18.520] make sense? Yeah, it does. The only thing is they sent a whole bunch of case law and
[01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:24.680] I've been looking up a lot and the courts have really, really been leaning towards just
[01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:36.040] turning it right over to them. Okay. Look at the arguments. What is being mediated?
[01:15:36.040 --> 01:15:45.480] I don't think the courts have the power to turn over the adjudication of a case to a
[01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:56.100] mediator. If you're going to the federal court, accusing the lender of violating federal law,
[01:15:56.100 --> 01:16:06.600] the court can't delegate the authority to rule on violations of federal statutes.
[01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:14.280] Now with this, with this covered, I have in my response here, a challenge to subject matter
[01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:20.160] jurisdiction of a private arbitrator. And then I also challenge subject matter jurisdiction
[01:16:20.160 --> 01:16:26.360] of American Arbitration Association, National Arbitration Forum to interpret. Hold on, hold
[01:16:26.360 --> 01:16:33.720] on. You can't challenge their subject matter jurisdiction because they're not a judicial
[01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:44.120] entity. Hang on. We're going to break. Okay. Hold on. There's just another way of going
[01:16:44.120 --> 01:16:48.960] about that. We'll pick that up on the other side. This is Randy Kelton, rule of law radio.
[01:16:48.960 --> 01:17:01.080] I call it number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:50.000] Okay, we are back, Randy Kelp, and we're talking to Terry in Michigan. I'm looking at your
[01:19:50.000 --> 01:20:02.000] pleadings and I'm going to suggest that you go to the federal court and dig up some pleadings
[01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:13.000] on these issues. This is a FDCPA suit. Is that correct? Let's see if I unmuted you.
[01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:23.000] Try that now. We can probably hear you better. Okay. This is an FDCPA suit. I'm going to
[01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:29.000] suggest that you go look in the record and find some FD. Just do a search. You probably
[01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:38.000] have to do this at the courthouse. Do you have PACER? Yes, I do. Try it. See if you
[01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:54.000] can search PACER for FDCPA suits. Look up some suits. This doesn't go to law, but it
[01:20:54.000 --> 01:21:04.000] goes to how human beings function. My suggestion to proceeds is that you never, ever make up
[01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:13.000] a pleading from scratch. If you go to the court and find the pleadings on your issue,
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:20.000] if you have case law that goes to your issue, go find the actual pleading that the case
[01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:31.000] law is referring to. Look at how the lawyer designs his documentation. Look where he
[01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:45.000] puts parties, venue, jurisdiction. Look where he puts all of the parts of his document.
[01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:52.000] Look at the standard case law that he uses. What you want to do is you want to give the
[01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:59.000] judge a document that looks like a thousand other documents that he's seen. You want
[01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:07.000] the judge to see what he expects to see, where he expects to see it, and you want it worded
[01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:17.000] the way he expects to see it worded. Now, that's not a necessity, but if you want the
[01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:25.000] judge to give you a good ruling, one of the first things you have to do is eliminate as
[01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:35.000] much reading as possible. You want to free up his attention as much as possible. Ken
[01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:46.000] Magnuson, he's my civil go-to guy. He's in a foreclosure issue, and he needs a petition
[01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:51.000] for temporary restraining order. So he writes one up, sends it to me, asks me my opinion.
[01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:57.000] I looked at it, and I said, it's a piece of crap, Ken. And he said, you think you can
[01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:03.000] do better? I said, absolutely so. He sent it to me. So I took his document, made him
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:08.000] up a petition for temporary restraining order, sent it to him. He went to court with it,
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.000] sent it to him. He had no objections to it. He didn't criticize any of it. Took it to
[01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:18.000] court, gave it to the judge. The judge gave him his temporary restraining order. He came
[01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:24.000] out. The lawyer for the other side said, are you an attorney? And Ken said, no, but my
[01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:31.000] brother is. Did you write this? He said, well, I had some help. The lawyer said, this is
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:40.000] very good. And when Ken told me that, I thought, what in the world is going on? That is a
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:51.000] fill in the blanks, O'Connor's litigation guide form. Look in your state and see who
[01:23:51.000 --> 01:24:00.000] produces the most popular litigation guide and find their forms. They will have a set
[01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:08.000] of forms to build motions and pleadings on. Most of the lawyers will use those forms or
[01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:15.000] find a federal litigation guide. And you want to find one with a fill in the blanks form.
[01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:22.000] So all the standard stuff that has to be there is already there. It already has the most
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:28.000] current case law. And it's the case law the judge has seen a hundred times. He don't
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:33.000] have to pay any attention to that. He can cruise down your motion and get to the salient
[01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:39.000] point and only address the point that matters. Terry, is this making sense?
[01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:47.000] Yeah. Yeah, it is. All the case law and everything that I've found so far has been people that
[01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:56.000] have lost. And probably the reason they lost is not because they didn't find good case
[01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:02.000] law, but if you go into court and the lawyer on the other side hands the judge a document
[01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:09.000] 90% of which he has seen a hundred times. And he goes to two or three paragraphs that
[01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:14.000] are specific to this case. And you go in and hand him a document with 20 cases he's never
[01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:23.000] seen before. You really think he's going to read those 20 cases? Denied. He's too busy.
[01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:28.000] He don't have time for this. Now that may not be right, but that's what will happen
[01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:37.000] to you. So you want to, there's one skill you need to develop and it's a skill that
[01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:46.000] I have developed more than any other. I am an accomplished and skilled plagiarist. I
[01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:53.000] don't ever want to write it if a lawyer has done a better job. I don't want to construct
[01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:03.000] an argument if I can find it in a court pleading or a court order. Look at the case law and
[01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:10.000] where a case says what I want it to say, I capture that out of the case and drop it in
[01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:18.000] my document and adjust the cases and tenses just enough so it reads well in my document.
[01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:27.000] A judge will read that and he will know exactly what you did. And that will give you writing
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:37.000] that much more authority. So how much time do you have on this response? I have to have
[01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:47.000] it done, I have to have it filed by the 19th. Okay. Here is the deal. Never miss a deadline.
[01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:52.000] If you have to file something, file something. One of my favorite ones is Steve Skidmore
[01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:59.000] came to me. He had an eviction hearing in two days and I'm still researching the foreclosure
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:04.000] thing and he needs a suit. And I said, I don't have one yet. I'm still doing my research.
[01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:10.000] He said, I don't have time for you to research. So I went online, looked at a bunch of cases,
[01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:14.000] pulled out a bunch of junk, stuck it together, put it in a suit, gave it to him, he filed
[01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:22.000] it. Made the deadline. The other side files an answer that essentially said, your honor,
[01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:30.000] this suit is a piece of crap. And the judge filed a response that said, yeah, you're right,
[01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:37.000] it's a piece of crap. Fix it. So we did it again, three times before we got one he was
[01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:45.000] happy with. Don't miss your deadline just because your documents not finished. File
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:52.000] anything. You can file an amended answer or amended response later. So first, don't miss
[01:27:52.000 --> 01:28:00.000] the deadline. Now, what is the nature of your case? Is your case obscure or is it about
[01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:04.000] something that's pretty common?
[01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:08.000] It's pretty common. I've been working with Mike Maris on it.
[01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:13.000] Okay, you can go down to court and you can find somebody who's already written your case
[01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:21.000] for you. Just look through some of the SCR cases, the RA cases, and what you want to
[01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:29.000] find are the cases, you want to look at some cases and find what looks alike in all of
[01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:39.000] them. And use that style and that structure, that case law if you can. You want the judge
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:46.000] to have no idea that a pro se wrote this document until he reads the name at the bottom and
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:54.000] it doesn't have an attorney's name on it. Because you don't want the judge biased
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:29:04.000] unnecessarily. The judge may want to be the most fair and honest judge on the planet,
[01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:12.000] but he's a lawyer and he came up through the ranks as a lawyer. He works with other lawyers.
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:19.000] He's probably worked with most of the lawyers coming before him. He may not mean to be
[01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:26.000] prejudiced against you as a pro se, but it's just how it works in the world I live in.
[01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:32.000] So, don't remind him with the structure of your document. You have everything on this
[01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:44.000] document in bold type. Get that out of there. Fourteen point font, no bold type. Don't
[01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:50.000] highlight in bold. Don't do anything to make this stuff stand out. Look at other people's
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:55.000] documents and do it that way. Hang on, Randy Kelton. We'll have our radio. We'll be right
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[01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:41.000] Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Louisville Radio, and we're talking to Terry in Michigan.
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:48.000] Do you have any specific questions on particular issues?
[01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:57.000] Yeah, probably my first one, which I thought would be a good one, is where I state on line six there
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:04.000] that renewed motion filed in an untimely manner, pursuant to Rule 12.
[01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:15.000] Okay, you really need to look at some of these cases. The way you've structured your motion here
[01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:24.000] will not get you a good read at all. One of the things you're demanding, you know,
[01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:32.000] I observe my right to demand affidavit, so take all that out. That means nothing.
[01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:40.000] All those rights are there, and you don't have to assert them here.
[01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:57.000] I'm a little reluctant here because there's something you seem not to understand about how pleadings work.
[01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:10.000] You demanded production of the original instrument. Take that out.
[01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:14.000] You have no need to give legal advice to the other side.
[01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:28.000] The documents, the other side filed a document that was a copy, and you don't tell them what they need to do
[01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:39.000] to bring document in accordance with the rules of evidence. They need to figure that part out.
[01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:45.000] You just challenge the insufficiency of what they bring.
[01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:52.000] So you challenge the sufficiency of the copy that they brought and ask that it be stricken from the record.
[01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:59.000] Don't say anything about what you demand because it is law that in order to establish their case,
[01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:06.000] they have to bring evidence. You don't tell them what evidence they need.
[01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:11.000] You tell them what the evidence that they brought is insufficient and let them figure out what they need.
[01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:17.000] They are certainly not going to tell you what you need. Does that make sense?
[01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.000] Yeah.
[01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:27.000] All you do in your pleading is say, these are the facts.
[01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:31.000] This is the law as it applies to these facts.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:38.000] This is the conclusion you should come to, and I move that you come to this conclusion.
[01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:42.000] This is how you do motions and pleadings.
[01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:45.000] The judge has two purposes.
[01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:49.000] He must determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence,
[01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:56.000] then apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case.
[01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:03.000] Okay, you got to the 19th, so you've got a couple of days anyway, a few days.
[01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:15.000] Find a, what do you call it, these pattern jury charge for your case.
[01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:25.000] The first place to start on a motion or pleading is the very last thing in the case, pattern jury charge.
[01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:31.000] What must you prove in order to win your case?
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:36.000] What must the other side prove in order to win their case?
[01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:41.000] And you'll find that in the charge to the jury.
[01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:44.000] Get that first.
[01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:49.000] Always keep that next to you when you're writing a motion or pleading.
[01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:54.000] If your jury, pattern jury charges.
[01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:59.000] Keep that next to you.
[01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:04.000] If you're arguing anything that's not included in the pattern jury charges, take it out.
[01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:06.000] Doesn't matter.
[01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:12.000] If you argue an irrelevant issue, the judge is going to sit there patiently and listen to you,
[01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:14.000] and then he's going to rule against you.
[01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:23.000] He's not going to give you legal advice and tell you that no matter how well argued this issue is, it's irrelevant.
[01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:32.000] And the way to be sure is pattern jury charges, the first thing you should do.
[01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.000] Okay, is that pattern jury charges?
[01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:37.000] Is that a book or something?
[01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:43.000] Yeah, generally your litigation guide companies will have it.
[01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:52.000] Just go to a legal library, a college or something, and ask the librarian for pattern jury charges.
[01:38:52.000 --> 01:39:01.000] And then ask the librarian for the, they will have copies of litigation guides.
[01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.000] And go look in the litigation guides.
[01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.000] You will think you've died and gone to heaven.
[01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:11.000] They've got all your work done for you.
[01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:20.000] They will have every motion or pleading you can think of, how to write it, what case law to put in it, how to structure it.
[01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.000] They will have everything in there.
[01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:26.000] Ninety percent of your work is done for you.
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:30.000] I'm looking at your plea and you put a lot of work into it.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:33.000] You started from scratch and built this thing.
[01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:38.000] You have way more time in it than you needed to put in it.
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:51.000] Go out and get a local litigation guide, if this is federal court, get a federal litigation guide to have all this stuff for you.
[01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:57.000] Ninety percent of what I'm telling you here you'll find right in that guide.
[01:39:57.000 --> 01:39:59.000] Okay.
[01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:00.000] So go get that.
[01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:03.000] This is the best advice on all of this I can give you.
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:10.000] And it will tell you what to argue, what not to argue, and it will give you all the forms and structures you need to argue.
[01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:18.000] Then you'll go into court looking like you belong there.
[01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.000] Okay.
[01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:33.000] A lot of it, too, I'm kind of patterned off of the defense, but the way that they've been writing.
[01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:37.000] They kind of rambled on a bit, too, on some things.
[01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:46.000] Lawyers a lot of times really suck.
[01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:50.000] They just do. They're lazy.
[01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.000] And for the most part, lawyers don't do this.
[01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:57.000] They learned all this in law school, but they don't do it this way.
[01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.000] Go get your litigation guides.
[01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.000] Go get your pattern jury charges.
[01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:08.000] And I think you'll be surprised at what you find in the pattern jury charges.
[01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:15.000] Mostly you'll be surprised about what you don't have to mess with.
[01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:22.000] Do you think that I could find a litigation guide online there that I could just pull from?
[01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:30.000] Possibly, but generally those things are real expensive, and I've had trouble finding them online.
[01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:36.000] What you may be able to do is go to a used bookstore and see if they have any old law books.
[01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:48.000] Call a law firm and tell them that your kid is doing a report in high school on law,
[01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:54.000] and he wanted some law books to demonstrate to the kids.
[01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:57.000] He's doing a story about litigation guides.
[01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:03.000] Ask them what is the best one, and do you have any old ones laying around?
[01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:11.000] Lawyers buy a new set every time they come out because they want to use the absolute latest case law.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:12.000] But you're a pro se.
[01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:19.000] You're not worried about that as long as you have all the right arguments and basic case law that works.
[01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:22.000] I had a woman in Amarillo do this.
[01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:24.000] It's a second law firm she called.
[01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:31.000] They said, do you have a station wagon or a pickup truck?
[01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.000] They filled her up.
[01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:42.000] So you might try that Monday morning, call a couple law firms and blow a little smoke
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:49.000] and see if you can't get an old copy of said litigation guides.
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:58.000] And all the stuff you need to be right in there, I've got mine right here in front of me.
[01:42:58.000 --> 01:42:59.000] Really?
[01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:00.000] Okay.
[01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:04.000] You know there's an antique store a couple of towns away.
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.000] They've got a lot of old law books there.
[01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.000] Better if you call the lawyers because you don't want real old ones.
[01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:16.000] You want the last set before the newest came out.
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000] And all these lawyers have them laying around.
[01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:20.000] They stack them up.
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.000] They don't take time to haul them off.
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:29.000] The odds are they'll want you to bring a truck and they'll load you up.
[01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.000] Okay.
[01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:34.000] Okay.
[01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:37.000] When you're talking about how lazy the lawyer was there.
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.000] Yes.
[01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:42.000] He had, he called me up.
[01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:45.000] Okay, quickly, we're about to go to Braylor.
[01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:49.000] Before I even served him, he called me up and told me he was filing.
[01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:52.000] And I commended my plea.
[01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:53.000] Okay, wait, wait, wait.
[01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:54.000] We've got to go to Braylor.
[01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:55.000] Hang on.
[01:43:55.000 --> 01:44:00.000] We'll be right back.
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[01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:33.000] Okay, we are back.
[01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:36.000] We're in Kelton with our radio, and we're talking to Terry in Michigan.
[01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:38.000] Terry, we really need to move along.
[01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:39.000] I've got Mike on.
[01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:44.000] I've been wanting to get him on all day.
[01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:55.000] Okay, get your litigation guides and then go to the court and pull some similar cases,
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:02.000] and you should be able to crank this motion out relatively quickly.
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:07.000] Okay, I'll give that a try, and if you think of anything else,
[01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:10.000] will you shoot me an email on top of that?
[01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:18.000] Yeah, sure will. Email me at randy at ruleoflawradio.com, so I'll have your email.
[01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:24.000] You have it with the response race on it, the pleading.
[01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:25.000] Oh, okay.
[01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:26.000] That's right.
[01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:27.000] I'll just open it.
[01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:28.000] Okay.
[01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:30.000] Okay, thank you, Terry.
[01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:32.000] Now we're going to Mike in Texas.
[01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:34.000] Hello, Mike.
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:35.000] Hey, Randy.
[01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:36.000] How's it going?
[01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:40.000] Going good.
[01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:45.000] So that last document you sent me was very well written,
[01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:49.000] but I'll have to read it two or three times to understand it.
[01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:52.000] Okay, yeah, I appreciate that.
[01:47:52.000 --> 01:48:01.000] I've had a little bit of time and probably put too much time into it.
[01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:05.000] Well, I read through the whole thing, and I'm no dummy either.
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:12.000] Well, basically, the audience doesn't know what we're talking about.
[01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:21.000] Yeah, for the listeners, that was an inside joke when you put in the pleading.
[01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:22.000] Well, let's see.
[01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:28.000] My petition for registration was in the Supreme Court in the United States was denied,
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:35.000] and so I put a perfunctory objection to it, which is a petition for rehearing,
[01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:36.000] and so it was timely.
[01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.000] It's been docketed.
[01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:43.000] They have to schedule it for a conference when it will be probably dismissed
[01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:47.000] or denied at that point.
[01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:56.000] When you put in that type of document, just as if you're filing into the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals,
[01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:02.000] they want you to file a certificate of good faith indicating that you're not wasting their time
[01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:10.000] and that this is based on basically new evidence that has occurred since the dismissal.
[01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:16.000] And so since my case was dismissed, since I filed everything,
[01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:24.000] they had several new cases that I felt went fairly close along to, you know,
[01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:27.000] that I thought were very supportive of my case.
[01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:35.000] So I had put those just recent case opinions in, Rodriguez and another one regarding judges,
[01:49:35.000 --> 01:49:41.000] whether they can solicit for campaign contributions regarding free speech,
[01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:44.000] and I thought that that was valid.
[01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:48.000] I put some Easter eggs throughout that document.
[01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:56.000] One of the things I did put in, I put a lot of indication on that I am a person,
[01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:01.000] I'm not a corporation.
[01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:08.000] I recently acquired a book regarding rules in the Supreme Court,
[01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:11.000] and that's something I want to talk to you on offline.
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.000] I think you're going to find this very interesting.
[01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:21.000] But I embedded some of those into the document I filed, and I put some Easter eggs in there.
[01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:27.000] You know, I put in a statute that this is fair use, you know,
[01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:31.000] just in the event that this stuff is secretly copyrighted.
[01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:37.000] You know, I wanted to note that it was fair use and, you know, a couple other things.
[01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:40.000] I hope that that has some persuasive effect.
[01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:43.000] I'm not certain it's how relevant it will be.
[01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:47.000] It was, you know, very difficult to get that filed in.
[01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.000] I had just no money to get it in.
[01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:52.000] But I also sent you a document.
[01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.000] I don't know if you had a chance to look at it.
[01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.000] I had filed a claim.
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.000] Now, there's just a statute from the Thin Coal Act.
[01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:07.000] So under Texas Civil Remedies Code, under Section 103,
[01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:10.000] you can file an assurance claim.
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:15.000] You can file a claim to the Texas Comptroller's Office for wrongful imprisonment.
[01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:24.000] So I went through and I believe, you know, I had to hate everything that I needed to provide.
[01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:30.000] You know, it's fairly standard practice that the Texas Comptroller is going to reject it.
[01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:35.000] And so the next thing is I have to file a written mandamus and file it in district court.
[01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:37.000] I have 30 days to put that in.
[01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:41.000] And a lot of times that fails there, too.
[01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:45.000] And then it has to go to the Texas Supreme Court.
[01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:52.000] So they want you to run through, you know, a bunch of hoops, jump through some hoops, stuff like that.
[01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:56.000] So that's something that I'm going to be working on the next 30 days.
[01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:01.000] But in there, I saw an interesting objection from the Texas Comptroller
[01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:07.000] that I thought maybe the listeners may want to consider.
[01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:13.000] When you get your case acquitted, you know, one of the things that can happen
[01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:18.000] is that the prosecutor has a statute of limitations of when they can refile.
[01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:25.000] They can dismiss your case and then they can come back and still charge you with that statute of limitations.
[01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:31.000] And I think that from my understanding of what the Texas Comptroller is complaining about in my case,
[01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:36.000] and this is towards the statute, is that you need to seek a writ of habeas corpus
[01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:46.000] after they dismiss your case, you know, pending that the prosecuting attorney prosecuting you.
[01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:52.000] And the reason why this is important is because most people just wait for the statutes to expire
[01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:56.000] and then the prosecutor can't prosecute, that's fine.
[01:52:56.000 --> 01:53:00.000] But, you know, you do have those pending charges overdue
[01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:05.000] and they do mark any record pending criminal investigation.
[01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:13.000] And so it's probably important after you get it, if you are able to force the prosecutor to dismiss,
[01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:16.000] not just, you know, sit at that point, which I had done,
[01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:25.000] but sue them in district court for writ of habeas corpus to, you know, force the attorney to declare
[01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:29.000] whether they are going to prosecute you or not.
[01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:40.000] And then you can, that's an important thing, you can get a statement from the court that it was a malicious prosecution.
[01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:49.000] But that's the thing that I believe I'm going to be working towards in the next 30 days.
[01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:56.000] So that way you don't show on your record that you have a pending prosecution.
[01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:00.000] It's important if you want to seek compensation,
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:07.000] but it's also important in that you limit the harm that it can cause in terms of, you know,
[01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.000] them leading on your DPS report.
[01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:18.000] So you're saying on the one hand that waiting for the statute of limitations on the charge to run
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:26.000] could wind up tolling the statute of limitations on making your claim.
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:27.000] Yes.
[01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:33.000] Okay, so that's one, because as I understand you have a year on false imprisonment.
[01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:41.000] And the other is, is you have a duty to limit the harm that this causes you.
[01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:49.000] So by filing this, you take proactive action to limit the amount of harm.
[01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:50.000] That's correct.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:53.000] Okay, that makes sense.
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:55.000] And that's something that I had never heard before,
[01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:04.000] but I believe that that's sort of kind of the fine points that are, you know, weaved through this legal process.
[01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:09.000] And that's the part I like, are the fine points.
[01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:13.000] Lawyers are so bad at getting the fine points.
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:16.000] And I know I said earlier about how lazy they were.
[01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:20.000] That probably wasn't fair.
[01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:27.000] It's not so much that they're lazy, it's that they're busy and they're in business to make money.
[01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:30.000] And they don't make money sitting around perfecting documents.
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:35.000] They make money cranking out documents by the handful.
[01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:40.000] Well, you know, I've had this feeling a long time since I've gone through this process.
[01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.000] And other people brought this up, too.
[01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.000] I mean, they've kind of brought up the obvious, stating that, you know,
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:48.000] you're not free because you have these pending criminal litigation.
[01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.000] They could possibly come back.
[01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:54.000] You know, I mean, you can't really leave it, you know, you could leave the state,
[01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:57.000] but prosecutor, you just say, hey, I'm pulling this back.
[01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:02.000] And then you have to, from a long distance, defend yourself.
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:09.000] Yeah, but I would suspect that all of yours, the statute of limitations is rand.
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:17.000] They have, but for the, you're incorrect in that you don't have one year to file this claim.
[01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:22.000] You have three years from when the case is dismissed.
[01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:24.000] That's what the statute says.
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:30.000] And so I just came over, just came, you know, by happenstance, just found this
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:38.000] and found out that, you know, that was about to, those were about to expire, those statutes.
[01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:43.000] And I, that is a three-year statute, and the statute, it's not one.
[01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:49.000] And so I, you know, went through and, you know, requested all the paperwork
[01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:56.000] and the, you know, all the public officials I needed to, and then filed those in with my claim.
[01:56:56.000 --> 01:57:02.000] So there's, you know, there's documents you have to provide, you have to fill out their form.
[01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:08.000] And it's my understanding that, you know, I've seen these types of cases before,
[01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:13.000] you know, doing my legal research, that it's pretty standard for the Texas Comptroller to just object.
[01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:17.000] That's their job, you know, they just don't want to pay anything out,
[01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:20.000] so they're going to want to, you know, make you work for it.
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:26.000] Now, I do have to check to see if I, this may not be something that I can do.
[01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:30.000] I may have to have an attorney for this.
[01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:35.000] I think in this instance, I have to fight this ex rel,
[01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:41.000] which means that someone, you know, that an attorney asked to argue this for me,
[01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:43.000] that I can't just argue this myself.
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:46.000] I've got to find out if that's the case.
[01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:48.000] But I thought it's an interesting statute.
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.000] I thought the, you know, the listeners should be aware of it.
[01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:55.000] I think it's something that's underutilized.
[01:57:55.000 --> 01:58:01.000] Good, yeah, I'm thinking everybody who gets charged with something and it gets dismissed,
[01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:05.000] and it gets charged and is put in jail and then it gets dismissed,
[01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:09.000] should take action on this.
[01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:10.000] Absolutely.
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:16.000] And, you know, one of the caveats is go and, you know, make sure you get your habeas,
[01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:21.000] get that thing off your record, get that, because, you know, you are truly...
[01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:23.000] Okay, wait, wait, wait, we're out of time, we're out of time.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:24.000] Okay, okay.
[01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.000] Okay, thank you.
[01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:29.000] Next time call in earlier, I'm going to choke you for calling insulates.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:31.000] We're out of time with you.
[01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:32.000] Okay.
[01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:35.000] Okay, Randy Kelton, Wheel of Our Radio.
[01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:37.000] Thank you all for listening.
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