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[00:09.660 --> 00:14.520]  I'm Brian Hagin with your Liberty Beat for Thursday, December 11th, 2014.
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[04:23.260 --> 04:42.940]  Okay, howdy, howdy.
[04:42.940 --> 04:43.940]  Randy Kelton.
[04:43.940 --> 04:56.060]  The Liberty Beat is already on this Thursday, the 11th of December, 2014, and we're trying
[04:56.060 --> 05:00.140]  on having a very special guest today, Pat Shannon.
[05:00.140 --> 05:05.620]  I'm having a little trouble getting him on the air, and it was my fault.
[05:05.620 --> 05:08.340]  I didn't get everything set up correctly in the first place.
[05:08.340 --> 05:15.220]  Debra's trying to get him on, so we may have him on in the second segment.
[05:15.220 --> 05:22.940]  And Pat Shannon's a long-time radio talk show host on several different venues, and
[05:22.940 --> 05:28.980]  he's been a legal reform activist and researcher for a very long time.
[05:28.980 --> 05:38.300]  He has a website, Independent News International, where he very effectively addresses a lot
[05:38.300 --> 05:39.300]  of issues.
[05:39.300 --> 05:48.900]  The reason I looked at Pat for this purpose is he takes on real issues and he doesn't
[05:48.900 --> 05:56.300]  get into what we euphemistically call the Patriot mythology.
[05:56.300 --> 06:04.180]  He stays with real issues and issues wherein we can make real changes.
[06:04.180 --> 06:09.940]  So I had a little trouble getting him in, and it was my fault, so we're having him
[06:09.940 --> 06:14.300]  on the second half of the second quarter segment.
[06:14.300 --> 06:17.980]  I'll get that right in a minute.
[06:17.980 --> 06:20.020]  We're having him on the second segment.
[06:20.020 --> 06:30.620]  I did want to talk about some things going on in Texas right now, and not just Texas,
[06:30.620 --> 06:36.060]  but in the country as a whole.
[06:36.060 --> 06:37.060]  Things are changing.
[06:37.060 --> 06:40.140]  The politics is changing.
[06:40.140 --> 06:56.740]  With the Ferguson issue and the Eric Garner in New York, there is a lot of uproar about
[06:56.740 --> 07:04.100]  the grand juries right now, grand juries not indicting when the people feel they should
[07:04.100 --> 07:06.740]  be indicting.
[07:06.740 --> 07:20.220]  And it is a very good time to address this issue of the grand jury.
[07:20.220 --> 07:26.860]  Pat on the line, we're going to talk about an issue with a federal judge where the federal
[07:26.860 --> 07:38.740]  judge acted in concert and collusions with others in order to use the law to stop someone
[07:38.740 --> 07:41.300]  who was doing the right thing for the right reasons.
[07:41.300 --> 07:45.180]  I don't want to go into all the details until we get Pat on, and I'd rather him
[07:45.180 --> 07:48.700]  address those issues than me.
[07:48.700 --> 07:56.100]  But public corruption, I think we all recognize it is incredibly rampant.
[07:56.100 --> 08:07.100]  But with Ferguson and the Cincinnati, Ohio incident and the New York City, the two incidents
[08:07.100 --> 08:14.460]  in New York City, the public seems to have reached a breaking point.
[08:14.460 --> 08:22.980]  So we are at a point to where the politics is in our favor.
[08:22.980 --> 08:34.900]  And anybody who listens to the show on a regular basis will recognize what I mean by politics.
[08:34.900 --> 08:38.460]  I say that you'll never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on
[08:38.460 --> 08:40.700]  your side.
[08:40.700 --> 08:43.620]  To think so is naive.
[08:43.620 --> 08:49.780]  You will only win your case if you have the politics on your side.
[08:49.780 --> 08:54.980]  And all politics is local.
[08:54.980 --> 09:03.540]  And to make that make sense, we're not talking about national politics.
[09:03.540 --> 09:09.820]  We're talking about the politics between individual public officials.
[09:09.820 --> 09:17.780]  Recently, I live in Wise County, which is a small county about 35 miles northwest of
[09:17.780 --> 09:20.700]  Fort Worth.
[09:20.700 --> 09:30.220]  And in this county, we have a prosecutor and a county attorney and district attorney.
[09:30.220 --> 09:35.420]  I went to the local police department and filed a criminal complaint.
[09:35.420 --> 09:40.660]  The police department looked at my criminal complaint and the chief decided that, since
[09:40.660 --> 09:49.420]  it involved a family issue, he decided that he did not think that the prosecuting attorney
[09:49.420 --> 09:54.060]  would elect to pursue prosecution.
[09:54.060 --> 10:01.960]  So he instructed his officer not to present the complaint to either the prosecutor or
[10:01.960 --> 10:03.580]  some magistrate.
[10:03.580 --> 10:07.460]  And I insisted that he give it to a magistrate.
[10:07.460 --> 10:14.680]  So when that didn't happen, the situation that surrounded this escalated.
[10:14.680 --> 10:20.980]  And I went back to the chief wanting to know what they did with my complaint and he explained
[10:20.980 --> 10:26.740]  to me that they didn't give it to the prosecuting attorney or to a magistrate because they didn't
[10:26.740 --> 10:36.460]  want to waste county resources on a case that would never be prosecuted.
[10:36.460 --> 10:41.780]  And I informed him that I could care less about county resources.
[10:41.780 --> 10:45.340]  I care about them following law.
[10:45.340 --> 10:48.660]  And he said, well, Mr. Kelton, we have no duty to protect you.
[10:48.660 --> 10:49.660]  I said, that's right.
[10:49.660 --> 10:52.580]  You do not have a duty to protect me.
[10:52.580 --> 10:58.940]  But you do have a duty to enforce law.
[10:58.940 --> 11:05.720]  And I don't particularly care what your opinion about that is.
[11:05.720 --> 11:14.100]  And so far as I can tell, the legislature did not give you authority to decide what
[11:14.100 --> 11:18.260]  crimes would be prosecuted and what crimes would not.
[11:18.260 --> 11:24.540]  And I told this to the district attorney and he agreed with me that the local municipal
[11:24.540 --> 11:31.500]  police had no such authority when they're given notice that a crime has been committed.
[11:31.500 --> 11:36.340]  The law requires them to present the complaint to some magistrate.
[11:36.340 --> 11:44.300]  Well, I went to – they told me, the prosecutor told me, I mean the chief of police told me
[11:44.300 --> 11:51.180]  that they had talked to the prosecuting attorney and he said that he would not pursue prosecution.
[11:51.180 --> 11:52.740]  I said, okay, that's not a problem.
[11:52.740 --> 11:54.300]  I'll take that up with the prosecutor.
[11:54.300 --> 11:59.500]  So I went to the prosecutor's office and the prosecutor knew me.
[11:59.500 --> 12:05.140]  And when I went to his office, he came out and talked to me and he said to me, Mr. Kelton,
[12:05.140 --> 12:10.780]  do you really think that I am out of my professional mind?
[12:10.780 --> 12:19.540]  Do you think that I would give up my official immunity by giving advice to the police?
[12:19.540 --> 12:25.180]  I told him I didn't think so but this is what I was told so I had to check it out.
[12:25.180 --> 12:30.300]  So I went back to the chief of police, knocked on his door.
[12:30.300 --> 12:33.500]  He came out and he said, well, hello, Mr. Kelton.
[12:33.500 --> 12:34.500]  What can I do for you?
[12:34.500 --> 12:42.260]  And I said, well, chief, I just talked to the county attorney and he threw you under
[12:42.260 --> 12:49.020]  the bus and I'm here to run you over with it.
[12:49.020 --> 12:50.580]  And he kind of knew me.
[12:50.580 --> 12:55.180]  He just – he stood there a second and then he kind of chuckled and he said, well, come
[12:55.180 --> 12:58.540]  on in, Mr. Kelton.
[12:58.540 --> 13:07.660]  And I explained the whole situation to him that you decided that since this was a family
[13:07.660 --> 13:15.500]  law issue, you didn't believe that you felt like the participants in the issue would – they
[13:15.500 --> 13:23.740]  would kind of make up with one another and straighten this all out and so that actual
[13:23.740 --> 13:26.660]  prosecution would never be necessary.
[13:26.660 --> 13:30.300]  So you decided not to follow the law.
[13:30.300 --> 13:34.060]  Well, here's the problem.
[13:34.060 --> 13:45.380]  I gave a complaint to your officer along with a verified criminal affidavit.
[13:45.380 --> 13:51.420]  Your officer did not present that criminal complaint to some magistrate as required by
[13:51.420 --> 13:56.060]  Chapter 14, go to criminal procedure.
[13:56.060 --> 14:03.300]  And now, since the people against whom the complaints were made were never subjected
[14:03.300 --> 14:11.740]  to any intervention, they have escalated their threats against me.
[14:11.740 --> 14:20.580]  If these individuals act on any of the threats that they have made, then I will come back
[14:20.580 --> 14:22.300]  after your police officer.
[14:22.300 --> 14:28.860]  The guy was sitting right in the office with me, he said, I will come after him for depraved
[14:28.860 --> 14:33.620]  heart assault or depraved heart murder, depending what these people decide to do.
[14:33.620 --> 14:43.220]  Now you, because you didn't want to waste city funds or state funds pursuing this prosecution,
[14:43.220 --> 14:49.620]  you didn't think would go anywhere, you threw your officer under the bus.
[14:49.620 --> 14:56.660]  Now your officer is going to claim that he acted in accordance with your requirements,
[14:56.660 --> 15:01.380]  with directions from you, and I'm going to tell him I don't care what he did.
[15:01.380 --> 15:07.220]  He swore on his oath that he would uphold the laws of the state of Texas, protect the
[15:07.220 --> 15:09.620]  Constitution of the United States, and he failed to do that.
[15:09.620 --> 15:13.580]  I don't care who told him what.
[15:13.580 --> 15:20.940]  I will hold him personally responsible and he could well wind up subject to criminal
[15:20.940 --> 15:27.780]  prosecution because he did what you told him to do.
[15:27.780 --> 15:35.340]  And that was absolutely the fact by the code.
[15:35.340 --> 15:42.140]  Now it is clear that public officials have taken great pains to ensure that this kind
[15:42.140 --> 15:44.740]  of stuff never happens to them.
[15:44.740 --> 15:49.020]  But when they don't follow code, this is exactly where they lead themselves to.
[15:49.020 --> 15:55.980]  And we should have Pat Shannon on in this next segment, and we're going to talk about
[15:55.980 --> 15:58.820]  a case with a federal judge.
[15:58.820 --> 16:11.060]  And what I just talked about here, we're going to extend that to a federal judge operating
[16:11.060 --> 16:18.420]  in a federal courthouse that belongs to the state and is leased to the state, and we will
[16:18.420 --> 16:24.780]  talk about how the federal judge is acting not only as a federal judge, but he's acting
[16:24.780 --> 16:32.500]  within the state of Texas and subject to the laws of the state that we can pursue in a
[16:32.500 --> 16:36.740]  state grand jury as opposed to a federal grand jury.
[16:36.740 --> 16:41.220]  This is Deborah Stevens with our radio.
[16:41.220 --> 16:43.100]  We will be taking calls.
[16:43.100 --> 16:47.620]  I want to give Pat a little bit of time.
[16:47.620 --> 16:55.740]  So we will open our phone lines at the half hour, so if you have a question or comment
[16:55.740 --> 17:00.620]  to this call, we'll be right.
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[19:29.980 --> 19:50.660]  Okay, we are back, Brandon Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we have our
[19:50.660 --> 19:53.660]  very special guest, Pat Shannon.
[19:53.660 --> 19:58.720]  And I have been wanting to get him on the air for a very long time.
[19:58.720 --> 20:05.060]  When I was – those of you who listen to the show a lot will remember the issue I had
[20:05.060 --> 20:09.380]  in Cherokee County with Robert Fox.
[20:09.380 --> 20:17.980]  And Pat Shannon was very active in trying to help Robert in those – in that circumstance
[20:17.980 --> 20:18.980]  as well.
[20:18.980 --> 20:23.860]  And that's where I first got contact with him.
[20:23.860 --> 20:30.180]  And if you listen to the show a lot, you know I don't bring a lot of guests on.
[20:30.180 --> 20:35.660]  And that's because I'm very careful about who I bring on.
[20:35.660 --> 20:45.300]  I tend to be concerned about people who promote what we call Patriot mythology.
[20:45.300 --> 20:54.420]  And so I don't like to bring them on, people who propose legal remedies that wind up getting
[20:54.420 --> 20:58.900]  people into serious legal issues.
[20:58.900 --> 21:04.100]  And then when they complain about getting into trouble, whoever proposed it says, oh,
[21:04.100 --> 21:09.900]  well, you didn't dot this I exactly right or cross this T high to – you know, I avoid
[21:09.900 --> 21:10.900]  that kind of stuff.
[21:10.900 --> 21:18.740]  I try to vet out who I bring on and Pat Shannon is way up there at the top of the list of
[21:18.740 --> 21:19.740]  people.
[21:19.740 --> 21:22.740]  I very much want you folks to be able to talk to him.
[21:22.740 --> 21:28.740]  He has a long time experience as a radio talk show host and legal activist.
[21:28.740 --> 21:34.380]  And Pat, will you kind of give us an idea of who you are and what you do?
[21:34.380 --> 21:42.060]  Well, I guess I'm the watchman on the wall, Randy.
[21:42.060 --> 21:53.220]  I became gradually more and more fed up as you and so many others have as we grow older.
[21:53.220 --> 22:02.940]  But back in the 60s, with the Kennedy assassination, I was already past the age of the majority
[22:02.940 --> 22:06.340]  and I was naive as anybody else.
[22:06.340 --> 22:12.020]  But even then, knowing nothing except what Time and Life magazine were lying to me about
[22:12.020 --> 22:19.420]  and the newspaper media and TV and the whole bit that was going on then, I never really
[22:19.420 --> 22:26.920]  bought the Oswald story but really there was no other alternative.
[22:26.920 --> 22:36.260]  And in 1966, a guy came out with a book called The Second Oswald and he wouldn't investigate
[22:36.260 --> 22:37.260]  a reporter.
[22:37.260 --> 22:41.540]  As a matter of fact, he was a professor of some obscure subject out at San Diego College
[22:41.540 --> 22:46.580]  and he had no background at all whatsoever in this but he smelled a rat.
[22:46.580 --> 22:54.180]  And the reason he smelled a rat was from evidence he was finding that in 1961, Lee Harvey Oswald
[22:54.180 --> 22:59.140]  was driving 80 miles an hour with a car dealer salesman sitting next to him in the car up
[22:59.140 --> 23:02.660]  and down Stemmons Freeway because he was saying, I'm going to be coming in some money soon
[23:02.660 --> 23:07.020]  and I'm going to be buying me a new car and Bob, my name is Lee Harvey Oswald.
[23:07.020 --> 23:13.700]  Well the problem with all this, Randy, was the Oswald that we saw Jack Ruby shooting
[23:13.700 --> 23:19.080]  the jailhouse a couple of years later was already in Russia in 1961.
[23:19.080 --> 23:22.260]  So this was bothering Professor Popkin.
[23:22.260 --> 23:28.540]  The one that bothered me the most, and in 1966 it stuck with me for more than 30 years
[23:28.540 --> 23:34.460]  as well as Jim Meyers and Robert Grodin and so many others of us that smelled a rat and
[23:34.460 --> 23:40.380]  those guys were much farther down the road than I was with investigating, but in 1966
[23:40.380 --> 23:46.780]  the one that bothered me the most was how can a 17 year old high school dropout from
[23:46.780 --> 23:53.740]  New Orleans of all places, one of the most distinguishable American accents of all, you
[23:53.740 --> 23:58.460]  know the Cajun accent in New Orleans, but here he drops out of high school and joins
[23:58.460 --> 24:05.460]  the Marines at 17, allegedly goes to language school for six weeks in Japan, which we found
[24:05.460 --> 24:12.520]  out probably wasn't even true either, but when he gets to Russia three years later and
[24:12.520 --> 24:17.580]  meets his future bride, Marina, he speaks the language so fluently she believes him
[24:17.580 --> 24:19.380]  to be a native.
[24:19.380 --> 24:22.280]  So there's something very, very wrong with that picture.
[24:22.280 --> 24:27.700]  So after reading Popkin's book, I suspected for a long time that there certainly had to
[24:27.700 --> 24:32.620]  be two Oswalds, but a guy, not for more than 30 years later, by a guy by the name of John
[24:32.620 --> 24:39.820]  Armstrong came along and put the whole thing together and he wrote a book called Harvey
[24:39.820 --> 24:45.260]  and Lee and it's over a thousand page epic, sells for several hundred dollars now on the
[24:45.260 --> 24:51.500]  collector's market, but he put the whole thing together and just everything that we had suspected
[24:51.500 --> 24:57.420]  he proved and much, much more and of course I did a lot of things during those 30 odd
[24:57.420 --> 25:05.540]  years, but that was the one that had triggered me and just last year prior to the 50th anniversary,
[25:05.540 --> 25:11.300]  so about two years ago I began on it, I did a book that I told people later and I've
[25:11.300 --> 25:18.080]  said on several radio talk shows that my book on the two Oswalds was based on the proof
[25:18.080 --> 25:25.020]  of John Armstrong's research, but my book was not inspired, it was provoked and I was
[25:25.020 --> 25:33.900]  provoked because so little had ever been done since about 2000 and 2001 when Armstrong had
[25:33.900 --> 25:39.620]  become so well known already within the Patriot circles and what he had done and yet nothing
[25:39.620 --> 25:46.960]  has ever come out, not only with the CMM, I call that the controlled mass media, but
[25:46.960 --> 25:52.020]  not only have they rejected it, and that's understandable, but I mean even people that
[25:52.020 --> 25:59.180]  wrote so many books last year, knowledgeable people on the whole conspiracy knowing what
[25:59.180 --> 26:05.460]  had gone on behind the scenes, even they ignore the second Oswald, so I became a little angry
[26:05.460 --> 26:10.580]  about this, that the truth still was not being told even by those who should have been telling
[26:10.580 --> 26:11.580]  it.
[26:11.580 --> 26:17.700]  Meanwhile, I never did understand back in the 60s why Kennedy was killed, I grew up
[26:17.700 --> 26:28.300]  in the deep south and I saw a liberal president rich boy slamming integration down our throats
[26:28.300 --> 26:31.060]  faster than we wanted to swallow it.
[26:31.060 --> 26:36.220]  Kennedy was not very popular as I'm sure you remember in the south in those years,
[26:36.220 --> 26:41.700]  but I didn't understand at all the reasons for the assassination until maybe 20 years
[26:41.700 --> 26:48.640]  later and that was very simple once you saw the big picture and that was Kennedy was not
[26:48.640 --> 26:50.780]  part of the establishment.
[26:50.780 --> 26:56.660]  Kennedy was on the outside and he was not part of the New World Order, he was not part
[26:56.660 --> 27:04.260]  of some of the things that the establishment wanted and I believe of all the half a dozen
[27:04.260 --> 27:10.380]  or more potential motives for his assassination, I believe the one that Jim Garrison chose
[27:10.380 --> 27:14.680]  I agreed with already and that was the Vietnam War.
[27:14.680 --> 27:18.900]  Many people don't remember that Kennedy was pulling out of Vietnam in 1963, he was
[27:18.900 --> 27:22.180]  going to have a thousand advisors home as they called him by that time, he was going
[27:22.180 --> 27:29.400]  to have everybody home by Christmas of 64 and that just was not setting very well with
[27:29.400 --> 27:34.680]  the military industrial establishment and they had to have a war and of course they
[27:34.680 --> 27:37.540]  got it as soon as they got Johnson in place.
[27:37.540 --> 27:43.260]  So that was something I began to understand finally when I really got into investigative
[27:43.260 --> 27:48.940]  reporting in the 80s and I guess the straw that broke my camel's back was the murder
[27:48.940 --> 27:55.460]  of Gordon Call in Arkansas on June the 3rd of 1983 and of course they had tried to get
[27:55.460 --> 28:03.960]  him on February the 13th of 83 in North Dakota and the old tail gunner out shot him and he
[28:03.960 --> 28:10.940]  killed a couple of US Marshals who had tried to ambush him and if anybody ever reads the
[28:10.940 --> 28:22.380]  facts of that case will actually find themselves cheering to know that the so-called good guys
[28:22.380 --> 28:29.260]  were actually the bad guys and they lost but then of course the FBI hunted down Gordon
[28:29.260 --> 28:31.580]  in Arkansas and shot him in the back of the head.
[28:31.580 --> 28:35.140]  By the way I have become close friends over the years now with the Chief of Police in
[28:35.140 --> 28:51.100]  Medina, North Dakota, Darryl Graff was I think the youngest police chief in America at 27
[28:51.100 --> 28:55.740]  and he had chased the FBI out of town a half an hour or so earlier because they stupidly
[28:55.740 --> 29:00.140]  were setting up a roadblock in front of a mobile home park where they were going to
[29:00.140 --> 29:05.140]  try to mow down Gordon Call as he left his doctor's clinic where they were having a meeting
[29:05.140 --> 29:12.260]  on freeing the farmers from the mortgages but Darryl chased him out of town and so they
[29:12.260 --> 29:15.580]  attempted to shoot him a mile or so further down the road.
[29:15.580 --> 29:17.020]  I spent a month in Medina.
[29:17.020 --> 29:26.740]  I know that the whole town in my mind's eye like my own hometown now but the whole situation
[29:26.740 --> 29:39.140]  was so outrageous and the next morning Darryl Graff, Chief Graff told me that the FBI agent
[29:39.140 --> 29:45.180]  and the U.S. Marshal, the two of them sat in his office on the morning of February 14,
[29:45.180 --> 29:46.180]  1983.
[29:46.180 --> 29:48.180]  Hold on, we're about to go to break.
[29:48.180 --> 29:50.700]  I didn't hear the music, I'm sorry.
[29:50.700 --> 30:00.900]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Will Raw Radio, we'll be right back.
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[30:52.580 --> 30:56.740]  She's one tough cookie who whizzed through a three year law program in two years and
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[33:13.580 --> 33:34.500]  Mr. Officer, you're taking the law in your hand, won't you follow the law of the land?
[33:34.500 --> 33:43.500]  I don't understand, your job is to protect and preserve, not be abused.
[33:43.500 --> 33:56.780]  You're my power, when you're gonna stop abuse, you're my power, when you're gonna stop abuse,
[33:56.780 --> 33:57.780]  you're my power.
[33:57.780 --> 34:01.780]  So please Mr. Michael and each officer is not to abuse the power.
[34:01.780 --> 34:06.980]  Send a request to the leader, the captain of all officers.
[34:06.980 --> 34:11.300]  Okay, we are back, Brandi Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio here with our special
[34:11.300 --> 34:19.420]  guest, Pat Shannon, and you were talking about things that I've never heard of.
[34:19.420 --> 34:25.340]  I find this most intriguing, will you continue about North Dakota?
[34:25.340 --> 34:28.580]  Well, you don't know the Gordon Call story?
[34:28.580 --> 34:30.220]  No I do not.
[34:30.220 --> 34:35.740]  Well okay, I'm surprised that you don't know it at all, but I'm not surprised that so many
[34:35.740 --> 34:41.060]  people of the newer generation haven't heard of it or have forgotten because after all,
[34:41.060 --> 34:43.020]  you know, it was over 30 years ago.
[34:43.020 --> 34:49.300]  Gordon Call was a World War II vet, a tail gunner, had a Silver Star and a couple of
[34:49.300 --> 34:59.900]  bronze, he was a law abiding Christian, hardcore matter of fact, but salt of the earth, and
[34:59.900 --> 35:07.740]  he had some land in Texas and spent some time in Texas during the winters and had organized
[35:07.740 --> 35:14.140]  or joined, at least, a tax rebellion group down there, and I'm not sure what part of
[35:14.140 --> 35:23.300]  Texas it was, Randi, I'll have to think about that a while, but nevertheless, it was an
[35:23.300 --> 35:30.660]  activist group way back in the 70s, so there weren't very many of them then making noise
[35:30.660 --> 35:39.340]  and poking at the king and, you know, tugging on his uncle, excuse me, Captain Marvel's
[35:39.340 --> 35:49.620]  cape, or Superman I guess it was, but Gordon ended up getting a year in jail, he was attacked
[35:49.620 --> 35:55.220]  and with the normal lives that nobody could be more familiar with than you on what they
[35:55.220 --> 36:00.580]  attack with, he ended up giving them a year in jail, and he and one other fellow down
[36:00.580 --> 36:10.500]  there, and the two of them went in and about, about 78, and in fact, his partner died in
[36:10.500 --> 36:16.860]  there, Gordon always said that they induced a heart attack and killed him, and he suspected
[36:16.860 --> 36:23.260]  that because of some of the way they had controlled his diet in the Federal pen, nevertheless,
[36:23.260 --> 36:33.900]  regardless of what happened during that year, he came out a very, very changed man, for
[36:33.900 --> 36:40.380]  the tougher I should say, and changed to the point that he was never going to bow down
[36:40.380 --> 36:47.300]  to any unconstitutional statutes again, he was never going to kiss the feet of the king,
[36:47.300 --> 36:53.620]  and he went back to North Dakota, and they assigned him a probation officer, and this
[36:53.620 --> 36:59.520]  would have been about 1980, and he told the probation officer, he said, look, just leave
[36:59.520 --> 37:04.740]  me alone, I'm not going to break any laws, I never broke any laws to start with, and
[37:04.740 --> 37:12.260]  you leave me alone, and you can be sure I'll leave you alone, well, the US Marshal at that
[37:12.260 --> 37:20.340]  time out of Fargo was a man by the name of Bud Warren, Bud Warren was a sensible, unlike
[37:20.340 --> 37:26.940]  most of the US Marshals and SAC FBI agents today, he was a sensible man, and he went
[37:26.940 --> 37:33.020]  to visit Gordon, because the probation officer had complained to him about this guy was Rick
[37:33.020 --> 37:39.420]  Alsa Trenton, not going to behave and blah, blah, blah, well, Bud Warren went to meet
[37:39.420 --> 37:44.340]  Gordon, and Gordon told him the same thing, he said, look, he said, since they messed
[37:44.340 --> 37:48.620]  with the controls on my airplane, they caused a crash, and I'm pretty sure that somebody
[37:48.620 --> 37:54.460]  set that up, and he said, I just want you to leave me alone, he said, I'll mind my
[37:54.460 --> 37:59.300]  own business here on my farm in North Dakota, and I'll raise my kids, and you just leave
[37:59.300 --> 38:05.740]  me alone, and I'll leave you alone, you don't have to worry about me, and Bud Warren saw
[38:05.740 --> 38:12.900]  the truth, the sincerity in the eyes of Gordon Call, as I said, a Christian farmer and businessman,
[38:12.900 --> 38:19.780]  and who had nothing to, Gordon was saying, look, I've learned my lesson, I'm not
[38:19.780 --> 38:23.460]  messing with the king anymore, but you ain't messing with me either, that was kind of the
[38:23.460 --> 38:24.460]  attitude.
[38:24.460 --> 38:31.980]  Well, in 1981, Ronald Reagan became president, and as I'm sure you know, the regime kicked
[38:31.980 --> 38:37.780]  itself out, and they always bring in new US attorneys and assistants and staffs, various
[38:37.780 --> 38:48.320]  around the federal bureaucracy, and so Bud Warren still had a year or two to go to retirement,
[38:48.320 --> 38:55.360]  but he was in the wrong party, I guess, and so he got demoted down to assistant US marshal,
[38:55.360 --> 39:00.580]  and they brought in a guy, excuse me, by the name of Muir, and now you're making me go
[39:00.580 --> 39:04.660]  back into some details I hadn't thought of in a long time, but I've written enough
[39:04.660 --> 39:13.060]  about it, but Officer Marshall Muir was of the typical hard-nosed stupid ones, and he
[39:13.060 --> 39:20.180]  wanted to crank up the Gordon Call case again and make a name for himself.
[39:20.180 --> 39:26.060]  Well, they said they had an undercover agent, and they're reporting on them, and Gordon
[39:26.060 --> 39:35.220]  was meeting with other farmers on Sunday afternoons at a doctor's clinic in Medina, North Dakota,
[39:35.220 --> 39:41.980]  and this informant had tipped them off, and Medina was where Darryl Graff was the chief
[39:41.980 --> 39:48.920]  of police that I mentioned earlier, small town, 300 people, typical farming community
[39:48.920 --> 39:57.460]  in North Dakota, and as they were leaving, they saw this pickup truck up the street from
[39:57.460 --> 40:05.180]  a doctor's clinic they recognized as being that of the local county deputy and who obviously
[40:05.180 --> 40:10.940]  had been on the radio with the feds, and as I said, Darryl Graff had chased him out of
[40:10.940 --> 40:16.680]  town because they had set up a roadblock at a very dangerous place and had chased him
[40:16.680 --> 40:25.000]  a mile down the road outside the city limits, and there a confrontation took place, a gun
[40:25.000 --> 40:34.860]  fight, and Marshall Muir fired the first shot and apparently shot Gordon's son in the chest
[40:34.860 --> 40:40.340]  where he was actually carrying a.45 Auto in a shoulder holster, and fortunately the
[40:40.340 --> 40:47.380]  bullet bounced off of his chest, but then he got blasted with a shotgun from a different
[40:47.380 --> 40:57.140]  source, another Marshall, and Gordon, marksman, reacted same way most any father would when
[40:57.140 --> 41:05.280]  he sees his 22-year-old son get shot down, and he opened up with his mini.14 and disarmed
[41:05.280 --> 41:10.500]  all of the Marshals. He killed two, and he wounded two more, and disarmed the others
[41:10.500 --> 41:18.260]  single-handedly and ended up going on an escape that took him to Arkansas three months later,
[41:18.260 --> 41:24.420]  and that's where he was hunted down and murdered, and I can come to that sequel that happened
[41:24.420 --> 41:29.520]  on Friday night, June the 3rd, 1983 in a moment, but the point I was about to make before the
[41:29.520 --> 41:35.980]  last break was here, Darryl Graff's sitting in his office, and there's an FBI agent and
[41:35.980 --> 41:40.180]  a U.S. Marshall, one of whom he remembered the name, and I named in the book, but the
[41:40.180 --> 41:46.660]  other Marshall he couldn't remember, but nevertheless he said these two were arguing like kids over
[41:46.660 --> 41:54.560]  a toy on who would get to kill Gordon Call, and the FBI agent said, no, we gotta do it
[41:54.560 --> 41:58.120]  because if you do it, it'll look like, you know, you hunted him down and murdered him.
[41:58.120 --> 42:01.100]  Marshall says we are gonna hunt him down and murder him. He got two of ours, we're gonna
[42:01.100 --> 42:08.660]  get him. Bye, bye, bye. This is the type enemy that Gordon was dealing with, and anybody
[42:08.660 --> 42:13.560]  that gets on the wrong side of them I guess is dealing with them also, so come the end
[42:13.560 --> 42:22.800]  of May, Gordon's son and his best friend, Scott Fall, Yuri Call was the son's name,
[42:22.800 --> 42:27.500]  and even their mother, Joan, who was on the floor of the car when the shooting was taking
[42:27.500 --> 42:35.220]  place and wasn't even armed, they tried to try her for murder, and turns out that John
[42:35.220 --> 42:44.020]  Benson, the federal judge, was the one who had been instrumental in getting Officer Muir
[42:44.020 --> 42:50.520]  appointed to the position of U.S. Marshall. They were best friends, they were Masonic
[42:50.520 --> 42:56.960]  brothers together, and yet he would not recuse himself from the bench and the trial. The
[42:56.960 --> 43:03.560]  shenanigans that went on behind the scenes, the informant of the jury was actually a high
[43:03.560 --> 43:14.480]  school classmate of the prosecutor. Benson also had been the federal judge in the trial
[43:14.480 --> 43:22.600]  of who was the popular Indian who's serving a life term for killing a couple of FBI agents
[43:22.600 --> 43:29.120]  in North Dakota. Come on, help me out here.
[43:29.120 --> 43:31.720]  Thinking the only Indian I can think of is Russell Means.
[43:31.720 --> 43:37.000]  Well, Means was friends with this guy whose name is about to come down. Your listeners
[43:37.000 --> 43:43.720]  will know who I'm talking about, and he's become quite popular in recent years, and
[43:43.720 --> 43:49.040]  there was never any evidence against him either for killing the FBI agents at the battle of
[43:49.040 --> 43:55.560] ... I can't think of the... Can't call that one either.
[43:55.560 --> 43:56.560]  The D?
[43:56.560 --> 44:02.480]  Yes, the battle of the wounded D, the second battle of the wounded D.
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[46:57.600 --> 47:25.320]  Okay, we are back. Brenda Kelton and Deborah Stevens here with our special guest, Pat Shannon,
[47:25.320 --> 47:30.760]  and we were just getting to the murders in Arkansas. Okay, pick it up, Pat.
[47:30.760 --> 47:37.720]  Right. Well, Gordon escaped to Arkansas. What he felt like was under a cloud and a divine
[47:37.720 --> 47:43.320]  veil. There was a fog that set in that night in North Dakota that he and his family always
[47:43.320 --> 47:50.000]  believed helped him escape. But nevertheless, he took his old rounder down to Mountain Home.
[47:50.000 --> 47:56.160]  Excuse me, before he got to Mountain Home, he went to, what's the name of the town down
[47:56.160 --> 48:04.120]  there where Bill Clinton's drug running was going on? Mina. Mina, Arkansas, of all places.
[48:04.120 --> 48:10.160]  This is before Mina became so infamous, but he had some friends down there from previous
[48:10.160 --> 48:17.520]  years of vacationing. They helped hide him out for a while. They moved him to a mountain
[48:17.520 --> 48:23.960]  home, and then they moved him down to Smith County, another hour's drive in northeast
[48:23.960 --> 48:29.600]  Arkansas from there. Meanwhile, the trial was going on for his son and friends, and
[48:29.600 --> 48:39.080]  he was seeing the sham set in and was contemplating how he could get back to North Dakota safely
[48:39.080 --> 48:43.080]  and turn himself in and tell the truth about the whole situation. He had actually written
[48:43.080 --> 48:48.320]  the whole story, his side of the story, on the back of a grocery bag, which got published
[48:48.320 --> 48:58.920]  by such people as I and American Free Press later and some others. But the night of Friday,
[48:58.920 --> 49:04.640]  June the 3rd, what happened, the family back in Mountain Home, Arkansas, the daughter knew
[49:04.640 --> 49:11.560]  where he had been taken, and the FBI put out a reward for $25,000. So the daughter of Gordon's
[49:11.560 --> 49:19.440]  loyal friends actually became disloyal and turned him in and collected the reward. But
[49:19.440 --> 49:27.640]  they converged, 40 of them converged on the little house down in the country in northeast
[49:27.640 --> 49:33.760]  Arkansas, and Marshall walked in while Gordon was watching the news. The volume was turned
[49:33.760 --> 49:40.120]  up loudly. He was 63 at the time and hard of hearing, and so watching the news on TV
[49:40.120 --> 49:48.180]  to see what he could learn about the trial, and his son had just been convicted the week
[49:48.180 --> 49:58.400]  before, end of May. And Marshall came in and shot him in the back of the head without warning,
[49:58.400 --> 50:06.960]  and just outright legalized murder. Jack McGlam, whom I'm sure you're familiar with who passed
[50:06.960 --> 50:11.600]  away earlier this year, a longtime friend of mine, later conducted an investigation
[50:11.600 --> 50:22.920]  to find out exactly what, to get the body autopsied. When the body, after Carl was murdered,
[50:22.920 --> 50:28.800]  they sent five gallons of diesel fuel down the chimney, set the building on fire, shot
[50:28.800 --> 50:34.760]  at it for hours, burned the whole thing out because they thought they killed the wrong
[50:34.760 --> 50:41.880]  man. And they actually chopped his feet off, chopped his hands off to remove fingerprints,
[50:41.880 --> 50:47.120]  and the body was so badly burned that no one was ever really 100% sure that it was Gordon,
[50:47.120 --> 50:50.560]  even though the family lived there and knew that it was because that's where they had
[50:50.560 --> 50:56.000]  left him in there when the FBI called them out. So the story is convoluted and very detailed
[50:56.000 --> 51:04.840]  and hard to tell from top to bottom in one brief show, or in a few minutes, but that
[51:04.840 --> 51:11.600]  was the gist of the situation. And that is the case that turned me from amateur sleuth
[51:11.600 --> 51:17.960]  to professional investigative journalist. That's the one that sent me up the wall.
[51:17.960 --> 51:28.320]  Yes. And in doing this show for a number of years, it seems clear that the government's
[51:28.320 --> 51:38.120]  biggest enemy are the morons they hire as functionaries. For the most part, those people
[51:38.120 --> 51:48.880]  who are a nemesis to the government, they have created themselves by their own idiotic
[51:48.880 --> 51:53.760]  behavior. Right. They think they have, well, as you
[51:53.760 --> 51:58.040]  mentioned on the phone earlier, you know, who's really the boss here and who is the
[51:58.040 --> 52:06.840]  servant, but they believe that they have this omnipotent power. I think very few of them
[52:06.840 --> 52:10.800]  could possibly be Christians because they believe government is God. I mean, it's
[52:10.800 --> 52:19.720]  the boss. It's the driving force in their lives. So I agree with you. They hire these
[52:19.720 --> 52:26.240]  ill-educated morons who, you know, come out of the government schools today and, you know,
[52:26.240 --> 52:30.560]  they've never learned anything about the Constitution. I learned more about the Constitution
[52:30.560 --> 52:36.400]  in my 40s, and I had only heard the preamble when I was in school, and you too, I'm sure.
[52:36.400 --> 52:43.400]  It keeps reminding me of that song, after all the crap I learned in high school, it's
[52:43.400 --> 52:54.840]  a wonder I can think at all. And I agree, as we get older, our perspective
[52:54.840 --> 53:03.720]  changes and our ability to think about things improves dramatically. And we're able to
[53:03.720 --> 53:16.000]  look back from outside the boxes that the government very carefully crafted for us.
[53:16.000 --> 53:22.640]  And that was one of the things that I really wanted to get to. We are approaching the second
[53:22.640 --> 53:29.040]  hour, so I'm going to turn on the phones. If anyone would like to call in and ask a
[53:29.040 --> 53:38.120]  question or make a comment on these issues, or talk to Pat Shannon, give us a call. 940,
[53:38.120 --> 53:50.240]  940, oops. Okay, I'm trying to do like Steve Skidmore does. Take two, 512-646-1984. Give
[53:50.240 --> 53:59.920]  us a call. We'll be taking calls for the rest of the show. We would like insight. Mostly
[53:59.920 --> 54:07.520]  we want to hear your insight on the government that we live under. If you listen to my show
[54:07.520 --> 54:12.660]  a lot, you know I talk about us living in the worst police state the world has ever
[54:12.660 --> 54:18.160]  seen and nobody even knows about it. The things are not the way they appear, they're certainly
[54:18.160 --> 54:25.200]  not the way the government paints them for us. And if we are to correct the problems
[54:25.200 --> 54:32.960]  that are before us, I honestly believe it is the duty of the baby boomer with all of
[54:32.960 --> 54:40.160]  our experience, with the garbage that we've seen to have learned to think beyond the government
[54:40.160 --> 54:53.720]  prescription. Give us a call. 512-646-1984. Okay, that got you after these guys, after
[54:53.720 --> 55:03.680]  the system. It got you, I guess what for the most part we would call awake. Yes. In your
[55:03.680 --> 55:15.280]  opinion Pat, right now, what is the most effective thing that our listeners can do to affect
[55:15.280 --> 55:23.560]  change in the system? Well, I think you're on top of that more than I. Once again, I'm
[55:23.560 --> 55:29.400]  the watchman on the wall. I'm the guy who's screaming, you know, wrong, wrong, wrong.
[55:29.400 --> 55:35.320]  But I've never really, except when I was a political prisoner myself and I had to fight
[55:35.320 --> 55:42.400]  my way out of federal prison, a conspiracy charge, you know, that's the great wide
[55:42.400 --> 55:46.880]  verse they paint you with when you haven't harmed anyone. And that's how my next book
[55:46.880 --> 55:53.160]  is all about that because it's a miracle to get out of that trap once you're in it.
[55:53.160 --> 55:57.800]  But the name of my book is Miracle in Atlanta, so you might be able to guess what the outcome
[55:57.800 --> 56:03.200]  was from that, but I'll wait until the book comes out next year to go on a lot of detail
[56:03.200 --> 56:11.400]  on that story. Okay, hold on Pat, before we go any further, on this show, we absolutely
[56:11.400 --> 56:18.360]  believe in shameless self-promotion. Will you give everybody your website and the books
[56:18.360 --> 56:24.200]  that you've written, give them a place to go to find a new perspective? Well, right.
[56:24.200 --> 56:31.400]  And there's a lot of good information at iniworldreport.com. That's Independent
[56:31.400 --> 56:38.360]  News International is what INI stands for, but it's iniworldreport.com. Pull that up
[56:38.360 --> 56:43.820]  and over on the top right immediately you'll see the Christmas special on all my books.
[56:43.820 --> 56:52.820]  My most popular one is Everything They Ever Told Me Was a Lie, which exposes so many cases,
[56:52.820 --> 56:58.800]  some current cases, like the Pat Tillman murder. They tried to pass off to us as a friendly
[56:58.800 --> 57:02.480]  fire first, and then they gave him a Silver Star to make him a hero and everything they
[57:02.480 --> 57:07.920]  could before the truth came out. Okay, for those who don't remember, Pat Tillman was
[57:07.920 --> 57:14.200]  the football player. $2 million contract he gave up to go to war with his brother because
[57:14.200 --> 57:22.320]  he got what I call red, white and blue fever after the 911 thing. I remember that. I had
[57:22.320 --> 57:27.920]  that myself once. Yeah, well, I guess so, yeah. But I coined that term a few years ago
[57:27.920 --> 57:33.080]  after 911 because people get caught up on, especially the old World War II guys. They
[57:33.080 --> 57:37.800]  were the last ones that legitimately could have red, white and blue fever. We have not
[57:37.800 --> 57:45.640]  had a declared war, as you well know, since August of 1945. And so anything that anybody
[57:45.640 --> 57:51.960]  gets caught up with now about the old support our troops. Well, what am I supposed to do?
[57:51.960 --> 57:57.160]  We're in the money. We're in 142 different countries, and none of them invited us. And
[57:57.160 --> 58:03.680]  which ones are we really afraid of being attacked by, Randy? One of those 142. Can anybody tell
[58:03.680 --> 58:11.600]  me? Yeah, exactly. You know, I go back to Benjamin Franklin. I'm sorry. Yeah, Benjamin.
[58:11.600 --> 58:22.840]  Benjamin Franklin. Who was it said, Do not try to be the policeman of the world? Well,
[58:22.840 --> 58:27.840]  that probably was George Washington in his final speech in 1799. When he was bowing out,
[58:27.840 --> 58:35.400]  he said, you know, we'll just stay out of foreign entanglements. And, you know, my,
[58:35.400 --> 58:46.240]  you know, I was in Vietnam. There's one thing that I just can't get past, and that was McNamara.
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[01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:58.780]  Hello. Okay, we are back. Randy Kaufman and Deborah Stevens here with our special guest
[01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:05.100]  Pat Shannon. Pat Shannon is one of those folks that's been around a very long time. Very
[01:04:05.100 --> 01:04:15.580]  well known, very well respected. And primarily I brought him on because he made me look better.
[01:04:15.580 --> 01:04:18.980]  When we went out we were talking about some of the publications, some of the books that
[01:04:18.980 --> 01:04:27.260]  you had written. Will you tell everybody where they can go to find these and particularly,
[01:04:27.260 --> 01:04:33.700]  specifically what the publications you have available are about and why they should read
[01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:35.100]  them?
[01:04:35.100 --> 01:04:44.660]  Well, I guess I'm a historian that as I explained in the first hour about the JFK
[01:04:44.660 --> 01:04:50.940]  assassination and others, I like to explore the truth and be the watchman on the wall
[01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:59.260]  and screen the warnings. But iniworldreport.com, if they pull that site up and something today
[01:04:59.260 --> 01:05:04.140]  with the several hundred stories we've got in there, they can spend as long as they want.
[01:05:04.140 --> 01:05:11.380]  And I urge people to bookmark it because we update that almost every day. Our stories
[01:05:11.380 --> 01:05:17.220]  are what you would call the mainstream media. I like to call it the CMM, the controlled
[01:05:17.220 --> 01:05:24.760]  mass media. But it's the stories that they will not report. And we've had a great dose
[01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:34.140]  of that example with the Ferguson, Missouri story the last few months and the black on
[01:05:34.140 --> 01:05:40.220]  black as well as black on white crime going on around the country that's never reported.
[01:05:40.220 --> 01:05:49.700]  The attorney general and Al not so Sharpton as somebody called him and what they are doing
[01:05:49.700 --> 01:05:56.980]  to fan the flames of racism in this country. Now I see a piece that I have to investigate
[01:05:56.980 --> 01:06:02.780]  further, but someone now has got some pretty good evidence that I was reading this afternoon
[01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:12.020]  they were laying out the evidence of how Ferguson was targeted for this racial explosion because
[01:06:12.020 --> 01:06:20.620]  the mom and pop store owners there would not sell their businesses to some large corporation
[01:06:20.620 --> 01:06:26.180]  that wanted to put in a large strip mall as one of the suburbs of St. Louis. He is showing
[01:06:26.180 --> 01:06:30.340]  some pretty good evidence. I will have to send you that email I just got today with
[01:06:30.340 --> 01:06:36.820]  his site, but it's pretty impressive. So that would be one more piece of news that
[01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:44.460]  certainly should be reported in a fair news media in a country where we had fair reporting.
[01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:51.740]  But as you well know, we don't have investigative reporters anymore and the few that try to
[01:06:51.740 --> 01:06:58.340]  be like Cheryl Atkinson recently this year with CBS who finally resigned because she
[01:06:58.340 --> 01:07:03.860]  tried to tell too many things. But I can go back to the Montana Freeman story when I covered
[01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:19.060]  it for the People's Radio in Florida back in 1996, sent me out to Montana twice. I remember
[01:07:19.060 --> 01:07:25.180]  sitting in the restaurant café there in little old Jordan, Montana about 6.30 in the morning
[01:07:25.180 --> 01:07:30.040]  at breakfast time, CBS had commandeered all their back dining rooms and all we had was
[01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:35.060]  the front room to sit in and all the satellite dishes in the trucks were out in the parking
[01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:43.620]  lot in this little town of a few hundred people and the payphone rang and I was seated closest
[01:07:43.620 --> 01:07:47.620]  to it. It rang two or three times and I looked around and nobody was bothering to answer
[01:07:47.620 --> 01:07:55.580]  so I just stepped over and picked it up and it was the Associated Press dude in Helena
[01:07:55.580 --> 01:07:59.940]  and he was calling for one of his stringers who wasn't in there and was calling to see
[01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:06.260]  if he was around. So he and I got to chatting on the phone and we made temporary friends
[01:08:06.260 --> 01:08:10.140]  there and talked a little bit and I learned a little bit about him. He learned a little
[01:08:10.140 --> 01:08:18.660]  bit about me and then I went back to Billings for a few days and I pick up the weekend paper
[01:08:18.660 --> 01:08:25.660]  I guess it is and here's some weird old story about what was not going on in Jordan that
[01:08:25.660 --> 01:08:34.140]  they claimed was and here it's got this guy Tom Kaske's byline and a few days later
[01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:38.580]  I had occasion to call him about something else up in Helena and I said, Tom, by the
[01:08:38.580 --> 01:08:41.920]  way, when are you guys going to start telling the truth about what's going on with the
[01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:48.980]  Montana Freeman? And he said, Pat, you don't have to go any further. He said, I know exactly
[01:08:48.980 --> 01:08:53.620]  what you're talking about. He said, listen, sometimes I can write a story and put it on
[01:08:53.620 --> 01:08:59.060]  the wire on Saturday and when I see it under my byline on Sunday I wonder who wrote it
[01:08:59.060 --> 01:09:06.500]  because it certainly wasn't me. And so this is the type of gun that the reporters that
[01:09:06.500 --> 01:09:10.380]  even tried the street reporters tried to be honest and tried to be fair. This is what
[01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:17.980]  they're under. So now when you take the big TV networks, the big six, and you understand
[01:09:17.980 --> 01:09:22.100]  that there's a couple of people probably in each office that are making the final decision
[01:09:22.100 --> 01:09:27.820]  on what gets reported on the air and it certainly has to be in concert because all you got to
[01:09:27.820 --> 01:09:32.580]  do is watch your network news and flip channels and you'll see the same stories and ABC
[01:09:32.580 --> 01:09:36.660]  and NBC are just carrying the CBS you just told you about.
[01:09:36.660 --> 01:09:45.380]  Exactly. We have six majors. Those six majors are six majors in violation of the antitrust
[01:09:45.380 --> 01:09:52.840]  laws because the government created them as the six majors and they do exactly what they're
[01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.300]  told or they will stop being the one of the six majors.
[01:09:56.300 --> 01:10:00.980]  Right. So as I say, with a couple of people in each office, does that mean we've got a
[01:10:00.980 --> 01:10:07.340]  dozen people that are telling Americans what to believe?
[01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:14.260]  You know, I would hate to think that it's that simple. But unfortunately, I really do
[01:10:14.260 --> 01:10:27.220]  think it's that simple. That yes, we do. We have a few handlers that tell these large
[01:10:27.220 --> 01:10:34.720]  corporations what they will do. You will maintain your government controlled monopoly so long
[01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.580]  as you do what the government instructs you to do.
[01:10:39.580 --> 01:10:44.980]  Right. And so the reporters are controlled by the editors. The editors are controlled
[01:10:44.980 --> 01:10:49.460]  by some higher ups and the higher ups are controlled by somebody in D.C., I would have
[01:10:49.460 --> 01:10:53.740]  mentioned. Well, maybe in maybe the Rothschilds in Europe. I don't know where to trace the
[01:10:53.740 --> 01:10:55.780]  last part.
[01:10:55.780 --> 01:11:04.740]  And I think the most valuable thing you and I can do is get the average ordinary individual
[01:11:04.740 --> 01:11:13.660]  to understand this is how it really works. It's not the way you think it is and it's
[01:11:13.660 --> 01:11:20.900]  certainly not the way you were taught in high school that it is.
[01:11:20.900 --> 01:11:23.300]  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[01:11:23.300 --> 01:11:30.060]  Well, mine is. That's my story, too. I just want the truth told. I want to expose it when
[01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:34.620]  I can. And that's what I&I World Report is all about. If people will go there, as
[01:11:34.620 --> 01:11:39.820]  I say, you've got more stories you can keep up with, but you'd do well to just bookmark
[01:11:39.820 --> 01:11:43.700]  it and look at it every day or two because we're updating all the time.
[01:11:43.700 --> 01:11:47.420]  Also on the front page at I&I right now at the top right corner, and it'll be there
[01:11:47.420 --> 01:11:53.300]  until the end of the year as our Christmas special. It's absolutely the best deal on
[01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:59.260]  my half a dozen books and a couple of DVDs. I guess we're up to seven books in that
[01:11:59.260 --> 01:12:05.260]  package now, but we've got a great two-hour DVD on the Oklahoma City bombing, the forerunner
[01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:14.940]  to 9-1-1, and that goes back to the six different trips that I spent out there in Oklahoma in
[01:12:14.940 --> 01:12:22.100]  the summer of 95. And the video we put together also have an exclusive edition at the end
[01:12:22.100 --> 01:12:30.660]  of the 90-minute video and another 30 minutes of a radio interview of Hoppy Heidelberg,
[01:12:30.660 --> 01:12:36.420]  who became my friend later, a close friend, as a matter of fact. He was a grand juror
[01:12:36.420 --> 01:12:38.940]  who was kicked off for trying to get to the truth.
[01:12:38.940 --> 01:12:48.100]  Yes, we are very familiar with Hoppy Heidelberg. We interviewed him on the air, and he is the
[01:12:48.100 --> 01:12:58.740]  one that was accused of being an ignorant horse breeder. What they failed to state about
[01:12:58.740 --> 01:13:03.820]  this ignorant horse breeder that he was a member of Mensa.
[01:13:03.820 --> 01:13:10.340]  Well, actually, he quit Mensa because he thought, as you have mentioned tonight, that there
[01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:14.580]  were too many dumb people in there who couldn't wake up. Smart as they thought they were,
[01:13:14.580 --> 01:13:19.020]  they couldn't see the big picture. And Hoppy actually quit. He said to you guys that, you
[01:13:19.020 --> 01:13:23.420]  know, he couldn't take it.
[01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:31.460]  Yes, we interviewed Hoppy. We didn't. We have a very close friend out of Oklahoma who
[01:13:31.460 --> 01:13:38.140]  did some documentary videos on the Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:39.620]  Chris Emery.
[01:13:39.620 --> 01:13:49.260]  Yes, absolutely. And I think for me, the most difficult and emotional interview we ever
[01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:58.060]  did was with the grandmother of the police officer who was the first responder to the
[01:13:58.060 --> 01:14:00.060]  Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:14:00.060 --> 01:14:01.740]  Terry Yakey.
[01:14:01.740 --> 01:14:02.740]  Exactly.
[01:14:02.740 --> 01:14:04.140]  Terry Yakey.
[01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:16.220]  Oh, that just broke my heart that he was so despondent that he committed suicide by shooting
[01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:22.100]  himself in the back of the head three times and dragging himself down a road for several
[01:14:22.100 --> 01:14:25.500]  miles. It just broke my heart.
[01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:30.940]  Oh, well, Randy, you left out one integral part. He also took the gun with him to heaven
[01:14:30.940 --> 01:14:32.900]  because it wasn't there.
[01:14:32.900 --> 01:14:39.220]  Well, he maybe was his spirit ghost that did that.
[01:14:39.220 --> 01:14:48.820]  Well, it wasn't there until the FBI agents arrived. Forty patrolmen, county officers,
[01:14:48.820 --> 01:14:54.340]  city cops, 40 of them were out there patrolling that pasture area around Terry's body, could
[01:14:54.340 --> 01:15:00.660]  not find a weapon. Five minutes after the FBI helicopter landed, it was found. Amazing,
[01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:01.660]  huh?
[01:15:01.660 --> 01:15:06.620]  Well, the FBI is well trained in how to find things that nobody else could find.
[01:15:06.620 --> 01:15:10.540]  Oh, yeah, they're good. Boy, them guys are good.
[01:15:10.540 --> 01:15:18.780]  Reach in your pocket technique. That one was, of all the shows I've done, for me, that
[01:15:18.780 --> 01:15:28.060]  was the most difficult. And we have Debra Sivan. She's in the background producing.
[01:15:28.060 --> 01:15:36.940]  She was there and I have no doubt she remembers that. For me, in what, seven years of doing
[01:15:36.940 --> 01:15:46.740]  this show, I've never had one that was more difficult than that one. You have real honest
[01:15:46.740 --> 01:15:54.980]  people doing the right thing for the right reasons. And we have these people in the background.
[01:15:54.980 --> 01:16:06.460]  Working for the government, they develop the concept that they are the ones put in place
[01:16:06.460 --> 01:16:15.860]  to control the masses. And anything they do is justified if it suits their concept of
[01:16:15.860 --> 01:16:23.860]  what is the best thing to do at the moment. And I'm hoping that we can develop some tools
[01:16:23.860 --> 01:16:34.820]  and techniques to undermine these folks. You know, you and I are old school. My son and
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[01:19:32.540 --> 01:19:50.580]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Deputy Director of the Radio and we have our special guest
[01:19:50.580 --> 01:19:51.580]  Pat Shannon.
[01:19:51.580 --> 01:19:57.180]  And on the break, we were a little bit late coming again because we were having way too
[01:19:57.180 --> 01:20:00.100]  much fun on the breaks.
[01:20:00.100 --> 01:20:06.020]  We were talking about how to fix this thing.
[01:20:06.020 --> 01:20:12.740]  You know, a lot of people talk about all of the things that are wrong.
[01:20:12.740 --> 01:20:20.260]  And on this show, we do talk about things that are wrong, but we tend to try to talk
[01:20:20.260 --> 01:20:27.140]  about them from the perspective of remedy.
[01:20:27.140 --> 01:20:34.220]  And here, we were talking about how do we remedy this and primarily, you know, if you've
[01:20:34.220 --> 01:20:40.660]  listened to the show very often, you know that from my perspective, our founders when
[01:20:40.660 --> 01:20:47.660]  they put together this country, they were very knowledgeable.
[01:20:47.660 --> 01:20:51.860]  I know, you know, we look at our founders and they were a couple of hundred years ago
[01:20:51.860 --> 01:20:56.040]  and we think, well, you know, that was a couple of hundred years ago.
[01:20:56.040 --> 01:21:03.520]  They don't understand how things are today, absolutely, yes, they do.
[01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:10.660]  They stood in a place where government had been operating for 6,000 years.
[01:21:10.660 --> 01:21:14.400]  Yes, they did understand how things work.
[01:21:14.400 --> 01:21:19.460]  They understood how things work then, they understand how things work now and they put
[01:21:19.460 --> 01:21:23.100]  grand juries in place.
[01:21:23.100 --> 01:21:33.500]  If there is an ultimate remedy to the abuse of public officials, it is the grand jury.
[01:21:33.500 --> 01:21:40.300]  And on the break, we were talking about the prosecutor in Wise County, Texas.
[01:21:40.300 --> 01:21:43.220]  He happened to be a personal friend of mine.
[01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:50.620]  I knew him when he was a county attorney and now he became the district attorney and I
[01:21:50.620 --> 01:21:57.540]  was concerned that when he became district attorney that he just wasn't mean enough.
[01:21:57.540 --> 01:22:01.060]  But he's turned out to be a very good district attorney.
[01:22:01.060 --> 01:22:07.620]  I went to his office one day and he was absolutely distraught.
[01:22:07.620 --> 01:22:12.140]  He had a guy who just got his bar card.
[01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:15.940]  He passed the test, got his card, had a big party.
[01:22:15.940 --> 01:22:20.240]  On the way home, he gets popped for dinner.
[01:22:20.240 --> 01:22:25.300]  We have another guy who I recognized his name.
[01:22:25.300 --> 01:22:32.220]  The guy's last name was Divia and the Divias were very well known as the biggest drug dealers
[01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:34.340]  in the county.
[01:22:34.340 --> 01:22:43.140]  Divia got popped for enough drugs to charge him with solicitation or marketing, whatever
[01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:44.140]  they call it.
[01:22:44.140 --> 01:22:52.500]  So they had him dead back and I'm talking to Greg and Greg is saying, this guy just
[01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:58.980]  gets his bar card and he's having a celebration, he gets DUI on the way home.
[01:22:58.980 --> 01:23:05.220]  If he gets convicted of this DUI, he'll lead his career.
[01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:12.520]  And I really did not want to present him to the grand jury.
[01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.980]  It's my job.
[01:23:15.980 --> 01:23:19.900]  I can't not present him because I don't want to.
[01:23:19.900 --> 01:23:24.060]  He presents both of these guys to the grand jury.
[01:23:24.060 --> 01:23:29.460]  They indict the lawyer, they no-billed the drug dealer.
[01:23:29.460 --> 01:23:41.880]  And the prosecutor is just overwhelmed and he said, those darn grand jurors, you never
[01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:46.140]  know what they're going to do.
[01:23:46.140 --> 01:23:57.020]  And I sat there and listened to that and I said, I have to revere my founders.
[01:23:57.020 --> 01:24:02.060]  They knew exactly what they were doing.
[01:24:02.060 --> 01:24:09.260]  That instructed me on how to think about the grand jury.
[01:24:09.260 --> 01:24:15.940]  On this show, if you listen to this show a lot, you've probably heard me receive a
[01:24:15.940 --> 01:24:26.940]  lot of blowback when I say that it is never my intention to get a public official indicted.
[01:24:26.940 --> 01:24:27.940]  Okay.
[01:24:27.940 --> 01:24:28.940]  Okay.
[01:24:28.940 --> 01:24:34.260]  Yeah, I file a lot of criminal complaints against public officials and I'll file a
[01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:41.700]  complaint against a public official at the drop of the hat, as a matter of fact.
[01:24:41.700 --> 01:24:51.960]  I like to file complaints against public officials for the most minuscule and minor violations
[01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:55.940]  of their official duties.
[01:24:55.940 --> 01:25:01.660]  Reason I like to do that is I really don't want them indicted.
[01:25:01.660 --> 01:25:09.180]  What I want them to have to consider is the prospect that they will be indicted.
[01:25:09.180 --> 01:25:16.460]  And yeah, I hear all these people saying, oh, the district attorney, he stacks the grand
[01:25:16.460 --> 01:25:20.540]  jury, blah, blah, blah.
[01:25:20.540 --> 01:25:22.940]  Well maybe.
[01:25:22.940 --> 01:25:30.860]  Problem is you got 12 individual human beings.
[01:25:30.860 --> 01:25:43.140]  The likelihood of your being able to efficiently and effectively control 12 human beings is
[01:25:43.140 --> 01:25:47.120]  somewhere between little and none.
[01:25:47.120 --> 01:25:58.300]  So when someone goes to a grand jury and makes an accusation of a criminal violation of law,
[01:25:58.300 --> 01:26:05.300]  you may think you have the jury arranged in your favor.
[01:26:05.300 --> 01:26:12.580]  But human beings are so variable, you can just never tell.
[01:26:12.580 --> 01:26:18.620]  And our founders, when they put grand juries in place, do exactly what they're doing.
[01:26:18.620 --> 01:26:22.740]  It's not about whether you get indicted or not.
[01:26:22.740 --> 01:26:27.980]  It's about you having to sit there wondering if this grand jury is going to end your career
[01:26:27.980 --> 01:26:30.020]  tomorrow.
[01:26:30.020 --> 01:26:36.000]  And anybody who's listened to this show for a while knows that I've got the Court
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:38.100]  of Criminal Appeals for the state of Texas.
[01:26:38.100 --> 01:26:44.740]  All 15 judges of the Court of Criminal Appeals put before a grand jury.
[01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:48.140]  They were in front of the grand jury for three months.
[01:26:48.140 --> 01:26:54.860]  Normally, in a presentment, the grand jury spends about 15 to 30 minutes on it, and they
[01:26:54.860 --> 01:26:57.060]  have a true bill or no bill.
[01:26:57.060 --> 01:27:00.980]  This grand jury got the presentment their first day in office and held it to the last
[01:27:00.980 --> 01:27:06.500]  day in office and no-billed all 15 judges.
[01:27:06.500 --> 01:27:16.260]  But in those three months, those judges had to sit and wonder every day, is this grand
[01:27:16.260 --> 01:27:22.580]  jury going to be here tomorrow?
[01:27:22.580 --> 01:27:28.620]  That's why the grand jury is so incredibly powerful.
[01:27:28.620 --> 01:27:36.500]  And for all of the mechanizations of all of these public officials, in the end, that's
[01:27:36.500 --> 01:27:38.500]  where they wind up.
[01:27:38.500 --> 01:27:44.540]  So if you listen to the show a lot, you know my primary focus is on the grand jury.
[01:27:44.540 --> 01:27:55.620]  And in talking to Pat Shannon, we're talking about these judges acting improperly.
[01:27:55.620 --> 01:28:06.540]  This is where we want to go, is how do we take what these individuals are doing and
[01:28:06.540 --> 01:28:14.580]  craft what they're doing in a way that we can make an allegation of a violation of a
[01:28:14.580 --> 01:28:17.580]  law relating to their office?
[01:28:17.580 --> 01:28:25.860]  We sent that to the grand jury, and we see what happens.
[01:28:25.860 --> 01:28:32.780]  One of the ways I explain this is, who here would like to play Russian with that?
[01:28:32.780 --> 01:28:38.740]  The guy on the other side may say, well, you know, I kind of got this all worked out.
[01:28:38.740 --> 01:28:42.500]  So when you spin the chamber, it's not going to land on a live round.
[01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:48.100]  And you're going to always be wondering, what if he screws up?
[01:28:48.100 --> 01:28:52.540]  What if I get the live round by mistake?
[01:28:52.540 --> 01:29:01.500]  When we come back, we've got another minute or so, my whole idea, I've spent 30 years
[01:29:01.500 --> 01:29:08.220]  researching these problems with the criminal justice system and trying to find a way to
[01:29:08.220 --> 01:29:10.420]  craft a remedy.
[01:29:10.420 --> 01:29:17.460]  And in trying to craft a remedy, you can't consider that all these guys are horrendous
[01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:18.460]  criminals.
[01:29:18.460 --> 01:29:23.060]  There's a small percentage that are, but most of them are ordinary people trying to
[01:29:23.060 --> 01:29:29.380]  do what they think is right based on the information they get from the people around them.
[01:29:29.380 --> 01:29:34.660]  How can we interpose intervention?
[01:29:34.660 --> 01:29:41.180]  That will be so compelling that everybody will say, don't ask me to do anything wrong
[01:29:41.180 --> 01:29:45.140]  because of grand jury mandate.
[01:29:45.140 --> 01:29:48.620]  Hang on, Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens.
[01:29:48.620 --> 01:29:53.100]  This is the first time, I think, in the whole show that I haven't run off the cliff.
[01:29:53.100 --> 01:29:55.740]  By golly, you heard it that time.
[01:29:55.740 --> 01:30:03.300]  The 512646 1984, we'll be right back.
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[01:33:06.980 --> 01:33:15.820]  Yeah, who you want to chip, will you take me for free, Tully?
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[01:33:32.020 --> 01:33:36.900]  your mom, chip in a your daddy, chip in a your grandpa and the grand me, chip in a your
[01:33:36.900 --> 01:33:43.580]  BAB, chip in a your family, whole family, chip in a your dad and the cat around me,
[01:33:43.580 --> 01:33:48.580]  chip in a the beef and you still got E.T., chip in a the fish, them all in the sea, chip
[01:33:48.580 --> 01:33:50.580]  in a the shark and the whale around me.
[01:33:50.580 --> 01:33:55.580]  You know still mankind can't chip crazy, tell the kind of thing man they want to read it.
[01:33:55.580 --> 01:33:59.580]  Social Security, they've got to help me, number with them, give me them, repeat up your series.
[01:33:59.580 --> 01:34:04.580]  I'm chip you in the morning, chip you in the evening, chip you all at dinner time.
[01:34:04.580 --> 01:34:09.580]  I'm chip you in the morning, experiment on mankind, but man you no say them lie.
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[01:34:15.020 --> 01:34:19.660]  You should tell them, then free the Constitution, set us free.
[01:34:19.660 --> 01:34:20.660]  We are back.
[01:34:20.660 --> 01:34:26.760]  Brandy Kelton, Deborah Stevens of our radio, here with our special guest, Pat Shannon.
[01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:35.460]  When I went out, I was talking about the grand jury as the ultimate check to the balance
[01:34:35.460 --> 01:34:37.860]  of the abuse of powers.
[01:34:37.860 --> 01:34:48.580]  The only purpose of a grand jury is to shield us from the prosecuting attorney.
[01:34:48.580 --> 01:34:53.340]  Prosecuting attorney is involved with public officials and he's not necessarily going to
[01:34:53.340 --> 01:34:55.660]  want to prosecute people he works with.
[01:34:55.660 --> 01:35:01.900]  So our founders understood that problem and they put a grand jury in place to give us
[01:35:01.900 --> 01:35:04.860]  a degree of separation.
[01:35:04.860 --> 01:35:11.700]  And it is absolutely an elegant and the ultimate check and balance.
[01:35:11.700 --> 01:35:22.180]  And I brought this up because of the first two, if you go to INIworldreport.org, the
[01:35:22.180 --> 01:35:28.020]  first two stories go to this issue, they lend themselves to this issue.
[01:35:28.020 --> 01:35:30.220]  Pat, will you pick this up?
[01:35:30.220 --> 01:35:31.220]  That's worldreport.com, Brandy.
[01:35:31.220 --> 01:35:32.220]  Did I read that wrong?
[01:35:32.220 --> 01:35:35.220]  Oh, did I say org?
[01:35:35.220 --> 01:35:36.220]  Yes.
[01:35:36.220 --> 01:35:38.140]  I'm looking at the site.
[01:35:38.140 --> 01:35:43.220]  No, I'm looking at INIworldreport.org.
[01:35:43.220 --> 01:35:47.140]  Well you're seeing INI-world-report.org, Ben.
[01:35:47.140 --> 01:35:49.500]  Yes, that's what I'm seeing.
[01:35:49.500 --> 01:35:50.660]  Okay, that's the old one.
[01:35:50.660 --> 01:35:55.700]  And it still works, but INIworldreport is easier to get to and easier to remember.
[01:35:55.700 --> 01:36:01.540]  But those first two stories, my December musings kind of urges people to go on to the second
[01:36:01.540 --> 01:36:05.680]  story where the veteran is falsely convicted by a lying judge.
[01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:13.380]  And that is David Hinkson who was targeted by the feds, probably we suspect with urging
[01:36:13.380 --> 01:36:22.260]  from Big Pharma because of his successes with his Tesla-type developments in minerals and
[01:36:22.260 --> 01:36:26.140]  nutrition and I can't really take time to go into all that.
[01:36:26.140 --> 01:36:33.700]  But nevertheless, he has been in jail and falsely because of what a judge did to him.
[01:36:33.700 --> 01:36:40.620]  The main defense that he should have had that Judge Talman denied the jury from hearing
[01:36:40.620 --> 01:36:48.940]  was that he was accused of conspiring to murder federal officials and the witness against
[01:36:48.940 --> 01:36:54.340]  him was one who was working for him, was attempting to steal his business, but made the great
[01:36:54.340 --> 01:37:03.100]  grave era of the dates that this incident allegedly happened where Dave Hinkson, who's
[01:37:03.100 --> 01:37:10.100]  a freedom-loving individual and a peace lover and peaceful man who never harmed anyone,
[01:37:10.100 --> 01:37:17.100]  but he is supposed to have plotted on a so-and-so date when he was actually in Russia and the
[01:37:17.100 --> 01:37:23.380]  Ukraine investigating, setting up a new plant for his international distribution.
[01:37:23.380 --> 01:37:28.980]  And his passport reflected that he was not even in the United States when this allegedly
[01:37:28.980 --> 01:37:29.980]  happened.
[01:37:29.980 --> 01:37:31.940]  So it blew the whole case out of the water.
[01:37:31.940 --> 01:37:35.840]  But Judge Talman would not let the jury see his passport and he still got it.
[01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:40.260]  But there's some other outrageous things that the judge pulled.
[01:37:40.260 --> 01:37:46.620]  And so I'm urging people to read that story as you have, Randy, and maybe come to their
[01:37:46.620 --> 01:37:47.620]  own.
[01:37:47.620 --> 01:37:51.940]  We're not asking them to decide whether or not the Talman, the judge, is guilty.
[01:37:51.940 --> 01:38:00.060]  We're asking them to apply it to the higher court to make the judiciary committee look
[01:38:00.060 --> 01:38:06.380]  at it and representative Goodlatte from Virginia, who's stonewalling us, by the way.
[01:38:06.380 --> 01:38:10.140]  And also, I like your input of what you told me earlier.
[01:38:10.140 --> 01:38:13.940]  And I would like for them to hear what you would recommend here with the grand juries
[01:38:13.940 --> 01:38:18.540]  and with our subject matter tonight is probably the perfect time for you to address it.
[01:38:18.540 --> 01:38:19.540]  Okay.
[01:38:19.540 --> 01:38:22.780]  I'm just an ordinary citizen.
[01:38:22.780 --> 01:38:32.700]  And as an ordinary citizen, I have a whole plethora of public officials that work for
[01:38:32.700 --> 01:38:34.900]  me.
[01:38:34.900 --> 01:38:36.420]  This is not a democracy.
[01:38:36.420 --> 01:38:40.060]  Excuse me just a second.
[01:38:40.060 --> 01:38:41.060]  Okay.
[01:38:41.060 --> 01:38:42.060]  Okay.
[01:38:42.060 --> 01:38:43.060]  Okay.
[01:38:43.060 --> 01:38:46.160]  This is not a democracy we live in.
[01:38:46.160 --> 01:38:47.160]  This is a republic.
[01:38:47.160 --> 01:39:03.100]  And in a republic, each individual citizen is the ultimate authority.
[01:39:03.100 --> 01:39:16.820]  I have all these public officials – excuse me just a second, I'm having a little issue.
[01:39:16.820 --> 01:39:20.100]  I think I swallowed a bug.
[01:39:20.100 --> 01:39:25.620]  I'm a citizen of this republic.
[01:39:25.620 --> 01:39:35.500]  And in a republic, all of the rights are owned by the individuals in the republic.
[01:39:35.500 --> 01:39:41.740]  Each individual is a sovereign, a sovereign without subjects.
[01:39:41.740 --> 01:39:47.280]  I don't have subjects, but I do have employees.
[01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:51.540]  And all of the public officials are my employees.
[01:39:51.540 --> 01:39:54.620]  I'm the CEO.
[01:39:54.620 --> 01:39:57.260]  You're also the CEO.
[01:39:57.260 --> 01:40:00.900]  As the CEO, I have a duty.
[01:40:00.900 --> 01:40:12.780]  If I have knowledge that one of my servants has violated one of my rules, I have a duty
[01:40:12.780 --> 01:40:15.100]  to report that violation.
[01:40:15.100 --> 01:40:23.260]  Now, I don't have standing to prosecute the violation, but I have a duty to report
[01:40:23.260 --> 01:40:24.820]  it.
[01:40:24.820 --> 01:40:38.260]  And then those to whom I report it have very specific duties to act in accordance with
[01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:41.020]  my report.
[01:40:41.020 --> 01:40:47.640]  If they fail to act in accordance with my report, then they violate laws relating to
[01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:50.140]  their office.
[01:40:50.140 --> 01:40:53.040]  And I have a duty to report that.
[01:40:53.040 --> 01:40:58.940]  Everybody who's listened to our show for a while, they understand what we talk about
[01:40:58.940 --> 01:41:02.400]  as the process.
[01:41:02.400 --> 01:41:05.380]  We have a procedure we follow.
[01:41:05.380 --> 01:41:14.420]  And the best way to understand it is, I've got this little tar baby.
[01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:19.740]  And I take my little tar baby to these public officials and I say, I got this tar baby here.
[01:41:19.740 --> 01:41:20.740]  You want to touch it?
[01:41:20.740 --> 01:41:25.100]  Here, here, here, here it is, touch it, touch it for me.
[01:41:25.100 --> 01:41:33.460]  And the way I get to that is from the philosophy of never ask a public official to do anything
[01:41:33.460 --> 01:41:38.700]  you actually want them to do.
[01:41:38.700 --> 01:41:44.260]  Because you never ask a public official to do anything that they are not specifically
[01:41:44.260 --> 01:41:45.620]  required to do.
[01:41:45.620 --> 01:41:51.260]  And when they fail to do what they are required to do, they commit a criminal act.
[01:41:51.260 --> 01:41:59.540]  Okay, I'm trying to do this very quickly so that it all makes sense.
[01:41:59.540 --> 01:42:05.980]  It goes to everything is political and all politics is local.
[01:42:05.980 --> 01:42:09.540]  So I go to a public official.
[01:42:09.540 --> 01:42:12.820]  I ask him to do something the law requires him to do.
[01:42:12.820 --> 01:42:20.460]  I go to a prosecuting attorney, give him notice that I have reason to believe in these facts
[01:42:20.460 --> 01:42:25.020]  that a public official has failed to perform a duty he is required to perform.
[01:42:25.020 --> 01:42:34.180]  And it is the duty of the prosecuting attorney to take certain actions to pursue prosecution
[01:42:34.180 --> 01:42:35.760]  of the individual.
[01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:41.420]  If the prosecuting attorney does something other than what he is specifically authorized
[01:42:41.420 --> 01:42:48.820]  to do, then he commits a crime, official oppression or official misconduct.
[01:42:48.820 --> 01:42:59.700]  So everything we do is about stacking the criminal complaints because everything is
[01:42:59.700 --> 01:43:03.620]  political.
[01:43:03.620 --> 01:43:12.820]  The only way we get this thing fixed is we got this political functionary down here at
[01:43:12.820 --> 01:43:18.340]  a position of criminal intake.
[01:43:18.340 --> 01:43:29.700]  I go to a US attorney and I say this federal judge sitting in a federal court building
[01:43:29.700 --> 01:43:38.180]  that is leased from the state and has not been ceded to the state, ceded to the federal
[01:43:38.180 --> 01:43:44.140]  government by the state, but rather is within the state.
[01:43:44.140 --> 01:43:48.940]  The judge has failed to perform a duty he's required to perform and in the process denied
[01:43:48.940 --> 01:43:51.860]  me for free access to enjoyment of right.
[01:43:51.860 --> 01:43:55.200]  That's class A misdemeanor in the state of Texas.
[01:43:55.200 --> 01:43:58.220]  I don't care that he's a federal judge.
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[01:46:22.380 --> 01:46:39.420]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio and I apologize
[01:46:39.420 --> 01:46:40.420]  for the last segment.
[01:46:40.420 --> 01:46:44.580]  I got a tickle in my throat and trying to get rid of the tickle in my throat.
[01:46:44.580 --> 01:46:50.860]  I had trouble struggling with my train of thought and I probably just rambled on for
[01:46:50.860 --> 01:46:52.460]  a whole quarter.
[01:46:52.460 --> 01:46:56.340]  Okay, for a whole segment, okay.
[01:46:56.340 --> 01:46:59.180]  We're going to go to Charles from Georgia.
[01:46:59.180 --> 01:47:02.340]  Maybe he'll kind of get me back on track.
[01:47:02.340 --> 01:47:04.780]  Hello Charles, what do you have for us tonight?
[01:47:04.780 --> 01:47:06.860]  How are you Randy?
[01:47:06.860 --> 01:47:17.940]  I was listening to the program and I was wondering, you know, I have this complaint against the
[01:47:17.940 --> 01:47:44.140]  judge and I want to know, how do I find an approach to these, uh, oh, hello, I hear you.
[01:47:44.140 --> 01:47:50.100]  Oh, okay, okay, good, good.
[01:47:50.100 --> 01:47:51.100]  Go ahead.
[01:47:51.100 --> 01:47:53.100]  How do you approach?
[01:47:53.100 --> 01:47:56.100]  The grand jury.
[01:47:56.100 --> 01:48:03.220]  Randy, did we lose you?
[01:48:03.220 --> 01:48:05.060]  I think we might've lost Randy.
[01:48:05.060 --> 01:48:06.580]  Yeah, it seems like it.
[01:48:06.580 --> 01:48:09.940]  Well, this is Pat here, Charles, I'm in Georgia too.
[01:48:09.940 --> 01:48:11.940]  What town are you in?
[01:48:11.940 --> 01:48:15.180]  Oh, you're not far away.
[01:48:15.180 --> 01:48:17.180]  I'm up north of you.
[01:48:17.180 --> 01:48:23.180]  Um, the, uh, and Randy knows a lot more detailed answers than I do, but rather than have dead
[01:48:23.180 --> 01:48:28.740]  time here, uh, I, I would insert that the approaching your grand jury, are you talking
[01:48:28.740 --> 01:48:30.860]  about local or federal?
[01:48:30.860 --> 01:48:32.020]  Local.
[01:48:32.020 --> 01:48:34.260]  Oh boy.
[01:48:34.260 --> 01:48:45.860]  Um, okay, Charles, have you looked at your criminal procedure code for Georgia?
[01:48:45.860 --> 01:48:53.220]  You know what, I just got a chance to go to the law library and purchase the 2010 version
[01:48:53.220 --> 01:49:01.060]  of the, uh, criminal, the, uh, uh, of that for three bucks.
[01:49:01.060 --> 01:49:07.940]  Okay, Charles, I'm going to give you some, some ideas of how to look at this.
[01:49:07.940 --> 01:49:08.940]  Okay.
[01:49:08.940 --> 01:49:19.900]  The first thing you have to understand is that a public official may only do what the
[01:49:19.900 --> 01:49:25.180]  law specifically allows him to do.
[01:49:25.180 --> 01:49:36.300]  A private citizen, on the other hand, may do anything that the law does not specifically
[01:49:36.300 --> 01:49:38.860]  forbid him to do.
[01:49:38.860 --> 01:49:41.980]  So try to keep this in mind.
[01:49:41.980 --> 01:49:51.900]  This is difficult because we're trained to be trapped inside boxes and it's hard to see
[01:49:51.900 --> 01:49:55.500]  the edges of the boxes.
[01:49:55.500 --> 01:50:01.860]  When you look at the grand jury, the first thing you want to look at is what are the
[01:50:01.860 --> 01:50:09.260]  statutory definitions of the duties of the grand jury.
[01:50:09.260 --> 01:50:16.340]  As an example, let me give you the duties of grand juries in Texas, 20.09.
[01:50:16.340 --> 01:50:23.060]  It shall be the duty of the grand jury to investigate into all criminal accusations
[01:50:23.060 --> 01:50:32.340]  subject to indictment that come by way of the personal knowledge of the grand jury,
[01:50:32.340 --> 01:50:39.820]  by way of the prosecuting attorney or any credible person.
[01:50:39.820 --> 01:50:46.900]  Now when you go to the, try to get to the grand jury, you're going to have the district
[01:50:46.900 --> 01:50:52.260]  attorney saying, well, you got to do this, you got to do that, you got to do the other.
[01:50:52.260 --> 01:50:57.020]  Screw all that garbage, look at the code.
[01:50:57.020 --> 01:51:02.980]  Keep in mind, all of these people are public officials.
[01:51:02.980 --> 01:51:05.180]  They are public servants.
[01:51:05.180 --> 01:51:08.300]  You are the master.
[01:51:08.300 --> 01:51:13.820]  They have to follow all of these rules, you do not.
[01:51:13.820 --> 01:51:26.540]  You as a citizen have a duty to report crime and you can report crime in any way that you
[01:51:26.540 --> 01:51:33.020]  are not forbidden to report crime because the prosecutor is going to try to tell you
[01:51:33.020 --> 01:51:35.220]  that you have to go through him.
[01:51:35.220 --> 01:51:40.380]  And there's nothing in law that I've ever seen in any state that directs you to the
[01:51:40.380 --> 01:51:44.620]  prosecutor to give notice to the grand jury of a crime.
[01:51:44.620 --> 01:51:46.660]  Am I making sense?
[01:51:46.660 --> 01:51:47.660]  Yes.
[01:51:47.660 --> 01:51:55.420]  Okay, so it's hard to do this because we're so used to listening to our public officials
[01:51:55.420 --> 01:52:00.180]  as if they are some kind of authority, they're no such thing.
[01:52:00.180 --> 01:52:03.060]  They have their own personal agenda.
[01:52:03.060 --> 01:52:07.140]  You are the master.
[01:52:07.140 --> 01:52:09.500]  They are the servants.
[01:52:09.500 --> 01:52:16.020]  So the real power of the grand jury is not indictment.
[01:52:16.020 --> 01:52:22.540]  The real power of the grand jury is what my prosecutor told me.
[01:52:22.540 --> 01:52:29.420]  Those damn grand jurors, you never know what they're going to do.
[01:52:29.420 --> 01:52:34.660]  That's the power of the grand jury.
[01:52:34.660 --> 01:52:43.660]  If you go to your prosecutor and he attempts to intervene between you and the grand jury,
[01:52:43.660 --> 01:52:52.340]  I suggest that you immediately prepare a criminal charge against the prosecuting attorney for
[01:52:52.340 --> 01:52:58.660]  exerting or purporting to exert an authority he does not expressly have.
[01:52:58.660 --> 01:53:10.100]  Every state has a statute that reflects 18 U.S. Code 242, the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:53:10.100 --> 01:53:16.180]  Most people are familiar with 42 U.S. Code 1983, which allows you to sue a public official
[01:53:16.180 --> 01:53:20.840]  if he violates a law relating to his office and in the process denies you in the full
[01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:23.580]  of free access to enjoyable rights.
[01:53:23.580 --> 01:53:30.020]  What most people don't know is that's the second part of the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:53:30.020 --> 01:53:40.580]  The first part has been codified into law as 18 U.S. Code 242 and it says that if a
[01:53:40.580 --> 01:53:48.220]  public official purports to exert an authority he does not expressly have and in the process
[01:53:48.220 --> 01:53:54.860]  denies a citizen full and free access to enjoyment of right, that's class A misdemeanor.
[01:53:54.860 --> 01:53:58.000]  That is a crime.
[01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:12.900]  And while prosecutors and judges may enjoy immunity for civil litigation when they act
[01:54:12.900 --> 01:54:22.500]  within the scope of their capacity, nobody has any immunity from violations of criminal
[01:54:22.500 --> 01:54:25.740]  laws.
[01:54:25.740 --> 01:54:31.780]  We just had a brief filed in a case where the Attorney General of the State of Texas
[01:54:31.780 --> 01:54:41.540]  trying to protect a criminal civil district judge said that the judge had absolute immunity.
[01:54:41.540 --> 01:54:52.220]  What he left out of absolute immunity was absolute immunity from civil litigation, not
[01:54:52.220 --> 01:54:55.180]  from criminal prosecution.
[01:54:55.180 --> 01:55:01.620]  So if a public official exerts or purports to exert an authority he does not have and
[01:55:01.620 --> 01:55:08.820]  in the process denies a citizen full and free access to a right, that's a class A misdemeanor
[01:55:08.820 --> 01:55:20.020]  in the Fed, it's a class A misdemeanor in Texas, and it's a class A misdemeanor in Georgia.
[01:55:20.020 --> 01:55:24.340]  Does that make, is it clear where I'm going here?
[01:55:24.340 --> 01:55:25.340]  It is.
[01:55:25.340 --> 01:55:26.340]  It is.
[01:55:26.340 --> 01:55:27.540]  It is definitely clear.
[01:55:27.540 --> 01:55:33.600]  So what you do is, you know, I always say on the air, never ask a public official to
[01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:40.900]  do anything you actually want them to do because you never ask them to do anything that they
[01:55:40.900 --> 01:55:47.860]  are not specifically required to do because when they fail to do it, they just touch your
[01:55:47.860 --> 01:55:50.240]  tar baby.
[01:55:50.240 --> 01:55:57.940]  The next complaint you make is not against the original perpetrator but against the one
[01:55:57.940 --> 01:56:02.060]  who didn't do what he was required to do.
[01:56:02.060 --> 01:56:06.540]  I went to a court, asked to see some records, they gave me a problem, they finally brought
[01:56:06.540 --> 01:56:07.540]  me out the records.
[01:56:07.540 --> 01:56:12.500]  Then the judge came out and said, you can't look at those, you're a security risk.
[01:56:12.500 --> 01:56:13.500]  And I've already got them open.
[01:56:13.500 --> 01:56:14.500]  I said, I can't look at these?
[01:56:14.500 --> 01:56:15.500]  No, you can't look at those.
[01:56:15.500 --> 01:56:18.020]  So I closed them, pushed them across the table.
[01:56:18.020 --> 01:56:21.660]  And then I turned to the bailiff who had showed up and I said, Mr. Bailiff, did you see her
[01:56:21.660 --> 01:56:22.660]  that?
[01:56:22.660 --> 01:56:23.660]  He said, yes, I did.
[01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:24.660]  Arrest that woman.
[01:56:24.660 --> 01:56:26.220]  Well, I can't arrest her.
[01:56:26.220 --> 01:56:27.220]  This is her court.
[01:56:27.220 --> 01:56:30.460]  Oh, Mr. Bailiff, you are mistaken.
[01:56:30.460 --> 01:56:35.700]  This is my court and I very generously allow her to administer it in accordance to my law.
[01:56:35.700 --> 01:56:38.560]  And she violated one of them, arrest her.
[01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:40.460]  He refused.
[01:56:40.460 --> 01:56:45.500]  So I went to his boss and asked his boss to arrest him.
[01:56:45.500 --> 01:56:49.140]  When his boss refused, I went to the sheriff's department, asked the sheriff's department
[01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:52.280]  to arrest him.
[01:56:52.280 --> 01:56:54.620]  Everything is political.
[01:56:54.620 --> 01:57:02.700]  When I'm trying to get the elected constable prosecuted for shielding his subordinate from
[01:57:02.700 --> 01:57:09.580]  prosecution because the subordinate shielded the judge from prosecution, these guys are
[01:57:09.580 --> 01:57:16.780]  going to get really upset that they're being thrown under the bus because they're trying
[01:57:16.780 --> 01:57:18.780]  to protect.
[01:57:18.780 --> 01:57:21.940]  Does this make sense?
[01:57:21.940 --> 01:57:24.780]  Yes, it does.
[01:57:24.780 --> 01:57:27.740]  Yes, it makes absolute sense.
[01:57:27.740 --> 01:57:31.220]  It makes a lot more sense than what's actually going on in that courtroom, I can tell you
[01:57:31.220 --> 01:57:32.220]  that.
[01:57:32.220 --> 01:57:33.220]  OK, hold on.
[01:57:33.220 --> 01:57:34.220]  Hold on.
[01:57:34.220 --> 01:57:35.220]  Get a little closer to the mic.
[01:57:35.220 --> 01:57:36.220]  I'm having a little trouble hearing you.
[01:57:36.220 --> 01:57:39.740]  I said it makes a lot more sense than what's actually going on in the courtroom, I can
[01:57:39.740 --> 01:57:41.740]  tell you that.
[01:57:41.740 --> 01:57:42.740]  Exactly.
[01:57:42.740 --> 01:57:47.060]  And you will find the only problem you're going to have with this procedure for the
[01:57:47.060 --> 01:57:54.700]  most part is it becomes way too much fun.
[01:57:54.700 --> 01:58:01.580]  Have you ever dialed 911 and ask them to arrest a police officer?
[01:58:01.580 --> 01:58:09.060]  OK, Charles, we're out of time.
[01:58:09.060 --> 01:58:10.780]  Tomorrow night, we're going to do a four hour show.
[01:58:10.780 --> 01:58:12.340]  Will you call back tomorrow?
[01:58:12.340 --> 01:58:18.980]  Because in talking about grand jury, that's one of my favorite subjects.
[01:58:18.980 --> 01:58:22.020]  You want to close this out, Pat?
[01:58:22.020 --> 01:58:26.420]  Kind of give us, tell us what to do with the website.
[01:58:26.420 --> 01:58:34.780]  Well, yes, certainly the best thing to do is to go to www.iniworldreport.com.
[01:58:34.780 --> 01:58:40.620]  You can see the current stories that we're trying to expose that the CMM will not, as
[01:58:40.620 --> 01:58:45.300]  well as the pertinent case that we were talking about here.
[01:58:45.300 --> 01:58:46.300]  OK.
[01:58:46.300 --> 01:58:47.300]  Hold on.
[01:58:47.300 --> 01:58:48.300]  We're out of time.
[01:58:48.300 --> 01:58:49.300]  We'll be back tomorrow.
[01:58:49.300 --> 01:58:50.300]  Thank you.
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