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[00:45.240 --> 00:50.880]  In the news, the American Nurses Association is urging the military not to punish a Navy
[00:50.880 --> 00:54.560]  nurse who refused to take part in the force feeding of prisoners on hunger strike at the
[00:54.560 --> 00:56.600]  Guantanamo Bay Naval Base.
[00:56.600 --> 01:00.840]  American President Pamela Cipriano says in a letter to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel,
[01:00.840 --> 01:05.320]  the nurse was exercising his right to uphold the ethical code for nurses.
[01:05.320 --> 01:07.600]  The letter was released on Wednesday.
[01:07.600 --> 01:11.360]  The nurse was the first known member of the medical staff on the U.S. base in Cuba to
[01:11.360 --> 01:16.880]  refuse to feed prisoners taking part in a hunger strike.
[01:16.880 --> 01:21.520]  A veteran of the United States Navy was fired from his job at a hotel after posting pictures
[01:21.520 --> 01:26.000]  to Facebook of federal protection services and Department of Homeland Security vehicles
[01:26.000 --> 01:27.280]  near Ferguson, Missouri.
[01:27.280 --> 01:32.000]  Mark Paphrath says his boss and the head of security at the Drury Hotel admonished him
[01:32.000 --> 01:34.640]  for taking the pictures and fired him.
[01:34.640 --> 01:38.280]  He says he was told he dishonorably served his country during his three years in the
[01:38.280 --> 01:39.280]  military.
[01:39.280 --> 01:43.840]  CNN confirmed that the DHS does have additional units in Ferguson while awaiting the grand
[01:43.840 --> 01:47.200]  jury decision.
[01:47.200 --> 01:52.040]  Two farms in Jackson County, Oregon are suing to get a countywide ban on genetically-lodified
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[01:53.720 --> 01:59.120]  Schultz Family Farms, LLC, Gold Hill, and James and Marilyn Frank currently grow Monsanto's
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[03:27.160 --> 03:33.440]  Okay, howdy-howdy, this is Randy Kelkin and Deborah Stevens, we will have a radio on this
[03:33.440 --> 03:41.760]  Thursday, the 19th, the 20th of November already.
[03:41.760 --> 03:46.880]  And I wanted to start out the show talking about politics.
[03:46.880 --> 04:01.040]  I did that some last week but, frankly, I'm trying to work out a presentation, a way that
[04:01.040 --> 04:06.240]  I can explain something that's kind of been developing in my head.
[04:06.240 --> 04:15.160]  I'm trying to find a way to turn it into words in such a way that the listener will
[04:15.160 --> 04:21.160]  get the same image I'm trying to present, that's often a big problem with language and
[04:21.160 --> 04:28.400]  even a greater problem when you're talking to air as we do on the radio.
[04:28.400 --> 04:35.200]  We can't see our listener, so I can't tell when you think something I just said is horse
[04:35.200 --> 04:43.240]  manure or if I've confused you or frustrated you, I can't see any of that.
[04:43.240 --> 04:50.200]  So I have to, these things we consider to be important to understand, we have to work
[04:50.200 --> 04:56.400]  at structuring them in a way that people can make sense of them.
[04:56.400 --> 05:02.560]  And that's my struggle here.
[05:02.560 --> 05:10.400]  Most people who grow up in this culture go to our public school systems and in those
[05:10.400 --> 05:26.440]  school systems they attempt to impart a mental concept of how the system works.
[05:26.440 --> 05:31.600]  The problem is the nature of the school system.
[05:31.600 --> 05:39.240]  The nature of the school system is such that we have a few adults in and amongst a very
[05:39.240 --> 05:50.280]  large number of children of varying ages and they are attempting to keep these children
[05:50.280 --> 05:58.120]  under some semblance of control while they impart information to them.
[05:58.120 --> 06:02.200]  This creates a necessary evil.
[06:02.200 --> 06:11.000]  It creates a situation to where we indoctrinate our children into the workings of this great
[06:11.000 --> 06:16.960]  and wonderful system of government that we have.
[06:16.960 --> 06:24.720]  But while we're doing this, we're subjecting them to a different system of government.
[06:24.720 --> 06:31.520]  We're subjecting them to a system of government that we tend to tell them is not a great way
[06:31.520 --> 06:41.560]  to run a government, a totalitarian system where the children must do what the teachers
[06:41.560 --> 06:46.520]  tell them and they don't get to raise questions.
[06:46.520 --> 06:55.600]  They don't get to exercise their individual rights.
[06:55.600 --> 07:01.840]  Now we had some psychiatrists come along for a while and say, well, you shouldn't discipline
[07:01.840 --> 07:10.160]  children, you shouldn't restrict them, you shouldn't let them find their own selves.
[07:10.160 --> 07:16.840]  Well, Benjamin Spock and O.S. Neal were full of horsemen or Benjamin Spock on his deathbed
[07:16.840 --> 07:21.360]  said, I have ruined a generation.
[07:21.360 --> 07:27.080]  So as a necessary evil, we have to find a way to control these children while we're
[07:27.080 --> 07:34.760]  teaching them this and they wind up with a set of hypocritical beliefs.
[07:34.760 --> 07:41.360]  On the one hand, they talk the talk just like the teachers do in the school, in the government
[07:41.360 --> 07:48.640]  mandated school systems, which the children attend, not because they want to, but because
[07:48.640 --> 07:52.080]  they must they have no choice.
[07:52.080 --> 07:56.960]  And then in the school system, they tell them about all these great wonderful rights, while
[07:56.960 --> 08:02.880]  very clearly demonstrating to them while you were in this school, don't even think about
[08:02.880 --> 08:05.280]  trying to enforce one of those rights.
[08:05.280 --> 08:13.360]  So we graduate children who can talk to talk about all of our rights and liberties and
[08:13.360 --> 08:21.800]  all those things, but they know better than to try to walk behind that talk, because they're
[08:21.800 --> 08:27.320]  terrified that the whole weight of the system of land rights square on their head if they
[08:27.320 --> 08:28.320]  do.
[08:28.320 --> 08:38.040]  And that creates a problem I want to go to is if we are to have an effective system of
[08:38.040 --> 08:44.200]  government, there's two things we have to do.
[08:44.200 --> 08:50.520]  We have to have faith and we have to exercise discipline.
[08:50.520 --> 08:57.160]  Now in anyone who's listening to this show for a while, I will already know that I'm
[08:57.160 --> 09:02.440]  not a person who's directed by faith.
[09:02.440 --> 09:10.840]  But in this case, if we are to have a stable system, we first must have a well-structured
[09:10.840 --> 09:11.840]  system.
[09:11.840 --> 09:15.080]  Then we've got that.
[09:15.080 --> 09:24.440]  We've got a system that has been developing in various cultures for 6,000 years.
[09:24.440 --> 09:34.000]  And one specifically where under its leads goes back 800 years to the Magna Carta.
[09:34.000 --> 09:43.320]  That was the first time a government was set up that gave specific individual rights to
[09:43.320 --> 09:45.520]  the citizens.
[09:45.520 --> 09:50.960]  It was the first republic or a republican form of government.
[09:50.960 --> 09:56.320]  When the Magna Carta was instituted, it was far from a republic, but it started in that
[09:56.320 --> 10:05.560]  direction to where they granted individual rights to freemen and that method of government
[10:05.560 --> 10:09.840]  has been evolving for 800 years.
[10:09.840 --> 10:17.600]  And we have put together an extremely well-structured corpus juris.
[10:17.600 --> 10:24.720]  But if you listen to the politics and you listen to people on this show, they're calling
[10:24.720 --> 10:27.480]  you all the time, we need new law.
[10:27.480 --> 10:32.400]  We need to change the law to do this, that, and the other.
[10:32.400 --> 10:40.040]  Every time something goes wrong, it seems the popular pastime is, let's think up a
[10:40.040 --> 10:48.280]  new law that we can write to correct what we perceive to be a problem.
[10:48.280 --> 11:03.080]  Most of the time those laws are ill-considered and draconian and wind up creating more problems
[11:03.080 --> 11:05.280]  than they saw.
[11:05.280 --> 11:14.920]  We have a very well-structured corpus juris, but we don't trust it.
[11:14.920 --> 11:18.640]  We have no faith in it.
[11:18.640 --> 11:28.240]  Because we perceive injustice and we assign that injustice to the system, nothing wrong
[11:28.240 --> 11:29.240]  with the system.
[11:29.240 --> 11:36.040]  The system is not the problem and that's why we wind up so frustrated that we can't seem
[11:36.040 --> 11:37.040]  to get it fixed.
[11:37.040 --> 11:44.920]  We pass all these new laws and they don't help, because nobody's enforcing them.
[11:44.920 --> 11:55.520]  Or they are being enforced at the compete of our public servants.
[11:55.520 --> 12:01.760]  If we have to have faith in the system and in second, you and I in this republic, each
[12:01.760 --> 12:12.480]  one of us, must be prepared to discipline the system and that's where we have failed terribly.
[12:12.480 --> 12:16.680]  We do not apply the checks and balances that exist.
[12:16.680 --> 12:22.840]  The problems we're having are not from any lack of law.
[12:22.840 --> 12:26.240]  We have plenty of well-structured law.
[12:26.240 --> 12:34.280]  It's just that we have not forced our servants to follow that law.
[12:34.280 --> 12:40.200]  Even when we don't like the look of it, even when we look at this law and say, from a cursory
[12:40.200 --> 12:49.160]  examination, it looks like this law will create a negative result or a result that's unjust.
[12:49.160 --> 12:58.000]  So long as the law is in place, we must follow it and we must insist that our public officials
[12:58.000 --> 13:01.000]  follow it.
[13:01.000 --> 13:09.120]  Greg Abbott just recently, the judge in Cherokee County went into another court and changed
[13:09.120 --> 13:17.920]  another court's ruling because of a woman he was having an affair with.
[13:17.920 --> 13:22.200]  He was presiding over her divorce and it was transferred to this other court because he
[13:22.200 --> 13:24.400]  was having an affair with her.
[13:24.400 --> 13:29.000]  The other judge didn't rule as friendly to her as he did, so he wouldn't change the
[13:29.000 --> 13:30.000]  judge's ruling.
[13:30.000 --> 13:38.240]  Well, Greg Abbott got in on the case and Greg Abbott, being the politician that he is, went
[13:38.240 --> 13:47.240]  to the judge and told him that if he would resign, then the Attorney General's office
[13:47.240 --> 13:51.680]  would take no action against him.
[13:51.680 --> 14:00.680]  So my question is, just where did you get that authority?
[14:00.680 --> 14:09.720]  The way I read the code, that's a felony in the state of Texas, shielding from prosecution.
[14:09.720 --> 14:14.480]  It's shielding from prosecution, conspiracy to commit.
[14:14.480 --> 14:24.480]  He conspired with this judge to shield him from prosecution, conspiracy is 1502, I believe,
[14:24.480 --> 14:31.120]  and shielding from prosecution, 3805 penal code and it's felony in the state of Texas.
[14:31.120 --> 14:33.960]  Where did he get that authority?
[14:33.960 --> 14:39.160]  If he does not specifically have that authority, he belongs in prison because that's a criminal
[14:39.160 --> 14:46.960]  act and it also violates 3903 penal code, exerting or purporting to exerting it the way he does
[14:46.960 --> 14:53.880]  not expressly have and in the process he denied a law, he violated a law.
[14:53.880 --> 15:02.600]  But nobody's going after and I intend to as soon as we get a new Attorney General, it
[15:02.600 --> 15:07.760]  won't be nearly as effective going after the Attorney General with the Attorney General's
[15:07.760 --> 15:09.280]  office.
[15:09.280 --> 15:16.760]  So we'll go after the Governor with the Attorney General's office, that creates a lot of politics.
[15:16.760 --> 15:28.040]  Primarily we need to trust the system that we have and then discipline the system that
[15:28.040 --> 15:29.800]  we have.
[15:29.800 --> 15:37.440]  We need to discipline it, make sure it works the way our legislators intended that it should
[15:37.440 --> 15:46.040]  work, not the way the courts and the prosecutors and the police wanted to work.
[15:46.040 --> 15:52.240]  We do have Jeff from Mississippi on the board now picking up on the other side, I did want
[15:52.240 --> 15:57.520]  to talk about the politics.
[15:57.520 --> 16:10.000]  With all this part said, we have a great structure of law, very well worked out over the last
[16:10.000 --> 16:16.640]  800 years and I'm saying we should follow it to the letter, we're pretty close to the
[16:16.640 --> 16:24.760]  letter, we should only exercise the discretion that is written into the law.
[16:24.760 --> 16:29.640]  But then you'll never win your case simply because you have these laws and facts on your
[16:29.640 --> 16:30.640]  side.
[16:30.640 --> 16:34.800]  You're only going to win your case if you have the politics on your side, we'll come
[16:34.800 --> 16:38.680]  back on the other side I want to talk about.
[16:38.680 --> 16:45.280]  Understanding how the politics affect the adjudication of the case.
[16:45.280 --> 16:52.920]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens, we have our radio, our call in number 512-646-1984.
[16:52.920 --> 17:00.720]  If you have this call, we'll have the phone lines open all night, we'll be right back.
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[19:50.480 --> 19:55.080]  Well, that's not entirely true.
[19:55.080 --> 20:05.320]  The law is back there, and it does in the current situation act as a sort of a guideline,
[20:05.320 --> 20:09.560]  but it's only a guideline.
[20:09.560 --> 20:19.640]  You and I and the rest of these citizens in this republic have went so long without
[20:19.640 --> 20:30.320]  policing our public officials that we have allowed them to adjust the practice to the
[20:30.320 --> 20:37.640]  point that if you look at the practice and compare it to the code, you'll think you've
[20:37.640 --> 20:40.240]  stepped through the looking glass.
[20:40.240 --> 20:45.120]  The two look almost nothing like one another.
[20:45.120 --> 20:58.480]  Human politics, every person who performs an official function comes to the function
[20:58.480 --> 21:03.400]  with his or her own agenda.
[21:03.400 --> 21:14.680]  It is the nature of the human animal to do most everything it does for what it proceeds
[21:14.680 --> 21:23.680]  to be in its own best interest, and I'm deliberately speaking of humans in the third person here.
[21:23.680 --> 21:31.480]  Now, I and Rand in the Art of Selfishness stated that everybody does everything they
[21:31.480 --> 21:36.480]  do for their own personal self-interest.
[21:36.480 --> 21:46.560]  That may be true, but it requires a little explanation because humans are not tigers.
[21:46.560 --> 21:48.560]  Tigers are solitary hunters.
[21:48.560 --> 21:57.320]  Once a tiger has raised its cub for, I think, some two years and once it's developed enough
[21:57.320 --> 22:08.520]  that it can hunt for its own food, the parent will run the infant off, and if the infant
[22:08.520 --> 22:14.120]  comes back and invades the parent's hind territory, she'll attack the infant.
[22:14.120 --> 22:19.680]  They're very solitary creatures, but humans herd.
[22:19.680 --> 22:23.320]  Humans gather together in groups.
[22:23.320 --> 22:36.240]  Humans recognize the group as a necessary element for survival, and we have an instinct
[22:36.240 --> 22:44.760]  to maintain personal survival, but we have an even stronger instinct to maintain the
[22:44.760 --> 22:48.800]  survivability of the group.
[22:48.800 --> 22:54.760]  That's why you can get young kids to put on uniforms and go halfway across the world and
[22:54.760 --> 22:58.960]  risk their lives for what?
[22:58.960 --> 23:05.360]  Not for their own personal self-interest, but because they have been convinced that what
[23:05.360 --> 23:11.320]  they're doing is in the interest of the survival of the group.
[23:11.320 --> 23:18.880]  So in that regard, we are not totally selfish human beings.
[23:18.880 --> 23:22.080]  The survival of the group is an instinct in us.
[23:22.080 --> 23:26.000]  It's not something we consciously think about.
[23:26.000 --> 23:28.960]  We can, but for the most part, we don't.
[23:28.960 --> 23:36.760]  It simply affects our behavior, and this is where we get into politics because everybody
[23:36.760 --> 23:46.160]  is always juggling their personal self-interest, the interests of the group, and they always
[23:46.160 --> 23:52.920]  come to the table with their own set of priorities.
[23:52.920 --> 24:00.840]  And to the degree that we discipline them in their positions or do not discipline them,
[24:00.840 --> 24:08.520]  they will follow the law as we have written it, or they will respond to their own personal
[24:08.520 --> 24:09.680]  agenda.
[24:09.680 --> 24:19.440]  You get good policemen who want to do the right thing, but they have now good reason
[24:19.440 --> 24:27.840]  not to trust the law because the practice of law is so messed up that anyone who looks
[24:27.840 --> 24:32.280]  closely at it sees it as corrupt.
[24:32.280 --> 24:39.400]  So we wind up with people doing what they think is right, for the most part, to secure
[24:39.400 --> 24:49.960]  a positive outcome, but they're acting from their singular and individual and instant perspective.
[24:49.960 --> 24:59.960]  I think of the movie Fiddler on the Roof when Zero Mostel was questioned about all of these
[24:59.960 --> 25:10.440]  traditions they were always having to follow as Jews, and Zero Mostel called the other
[25:10.440 --> 25:20.680]  person that without our traditions, our lives would be as shaky as a Fiddler on the Roof.
[25:20.680 --> 25:32.440]  These cultural traditions were guidelines, such that if you follow these guidelines,
[25:32.440 --> 25:41.800]  they will help you avoid problems and difficulties that are not immediately apparent.
[25:41.800 --> 25:44.480]  They'll help you avoid things that will sneak up on you.
[25:44.480 --> 25:51.960]  We have our police and our public officials in a position where they don't have that protection.
[25:51.960 --> 25:58.880]  They're kind of left on their own to make whatever decision they need to make at the
[25:58.880 --> 26:03.480]  moment without our direction.
[26:03.480 --> 26:08.440]  We need to give that direction back to them.
[26:08.440 --> 26:14.560]  They don't have to like it, that's not important.
[26:14.560 --> 26:23.400]  They just have to be aware that we are the masters, they are the servants, we've laid
[26:23.400 --> 26:31.000]  down a set of rules for them to follow, and we will not tolerate anything less than following
[26:31.000 --> 26:32.840]  those rules.
[26:32.840 --> 26:45.600]  If you think that a law is unjust, petition to change it, but in the meantime follow it.
[26:45.600 --> 26:47.920]  Don't care if you don't like it.
[26:47.920 --> 26:51.720]  Don't care if you think it will create an unjust outcome.
[26:51.720 --> 26:59.320]  Have faith in the system, it has built-in checks and balances.
[26:59.320 --> 27:07.080]  Following the system will generate a positive and just outcome far more often than doing
[27:07.080 --> 27:13.800]  what you think is right at the moment.
[27:13.800 --> 27:20.160]  We have our public officials in a position to where they pretty much do whatever suits
[27:20.160 --> 27:24.520]  their purpose at the moment.
[27:24.520 --> 27:31.520]  So when you go to court, you hire a lawyer, you got to understand, there's a lot going
[27:31.520 --> 27:40.320]  on here that's not in the book, and one way to perceive the politics, to get an understanding
[27:40.320 --> 27:48.920]  of how the politics works, is to think of a courtroom as a foresighted chessboard.
[27:48.920 --> 27:59.000]  Here on one corner, the lawyer's on another corner, the opposition's lawyer is on a different
[27:59.000 --> 28:03.560]  corner and the judge is on the last corner.
[28:03.560 --> 28:07.840]  The opposing party is irrelevant here.
[28:07.840 --> 28:13.800]  You have the two lawyers and the judge and yourself.
[28:13.800 --> 28:19.760]  Thing is about relationships, you have a relationship with your lawyer.
[28:19.760 --> 28:25.480]  Your lawyer has a relationship with the judge and the other lawyer.
[28:25.480 --> 28:33.640]  If you can't control the relationships, you're going to get clobbered in court and that's
[28:33.640 --> 28:43.480]  all there is to that because it's not enough to have the law and the facts on your side.
[28:43.480 --> 28:46.760]  You have to have the politics on your side.
[28:46.760 --> 28:56.720]  So anytime you read this law and say, oh boy, hot dog, we found one last Friday, Steve
[28:56.720 --> 29:09.280]  Skidmore brought it, where once there is a discharge in a bankruptcy, we've had problems
[29:09.280 --> 29:13.680]  with the bank coming back and trying to enforce the security instrument even after the load's
[29:13.680 --> 29:14.680]  been discharged.
[29:14.680 --> 29:22.200]  Well, this statute very clearly states that it's absolutely forbidden, but they're doing
[29:22.200 --> 29:24.440]  it anyway.
[29:24.440 --> 29:30.480]  So the law is there, the law is clear, the law is not being followed.
[29:30.480 --> 29:35.360]  Now I'm going to pick up Jeff when we come back, I don't want to hold him on too long
[29:35.360 --> 29:41.760]  and when I'm done with Jeff, I want to go back to this and talk about the politics and
[29:41.760 --> 29:46.360]  how we can manipulate the politics to our benefit and student's their benefit.
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[33:32.200 --> 33:37.200]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens on this November the 20th, 2014.
[33:37.200 --> 33:40.200]  And we're going to go to Jeff in Mississippi.
[33:40.200 --> 33:42.200]  Hello, Jeff.
[33:42.200 --> 33:45.200]  Hey, Randy. Thanks for having me on.
[33:45.200 --> 33:49.200]  You are always a good guest.
[33:49.200 --> 33:52.200]  You bring interesting issues.
[33:52.200 --> 33:58.200]  So where are we at with your current prosecution?
[33:58.200 --> 34:01.200]  Well, I think this week is probably going to be
[34:01.200 --> 34:04.200]  about the most interesting week that I've had.
[34:04.200 --> 34:07.200]  I wanted to throw this by you, though.
[34:07.200 --> 34:13.200]  On October 31st, my trial was continued.
[34:13.200 --> 34:17.200]  However, they did not have a continuance.
[34:17.200 --> 34:20.200]  No one signed a court order for a continuance.
[34:20.200 --> 34:23.200]  The clerk came out and just verbally said,
[34:23.200 --> 34:26.200]  we're not going to be able to have your trial today.
[34:26.200 --> 34:31.200]  And I forced her to write on a piece of notebook paper
[34:31.200 --> 34:34.200]  that my case was being continued,
[34:34.200 --> 34:37.200]  no judge's signature, no attorney's signature.
[34:37.200 --> 34:42.200]  Five days later, I had emailed my attorney saying,
[34:42.200 --> 34:44.200]  I'm still waiting for that continuance.
[34:44.200 --> 34:47.200]  And she wrote me back on November the 5th
[34:47.200 --> 34:52.200]  that she still doesn't have a copy of the continuance,
[34:52.200 --> 34:55.200]  which I know that she was trying to mix words.
[34:55.200 --> 34:58.200]  Finally, on November the 10th,
[34:58.200 --> 35:04.200]  I received a continuance over the email that was signed
[35:04.200 --> 35:08.200]  and dated for October the 31st.
[35:08.200 --> 35:12.200]  But I know that they didn't sign it on the 31st of October
[35:12.200 --> 35:14.200]  because I was standing in the courthouse
[35:14.200 --> 35:21.200]  watching the judge and the district attorney in another trial.
[35:21.200 --> 35:26.200]  So I've got them lying and I've even got the,
[35:26.200 --> 35:31.200]  when the clerk had to sign or fill out a piece of notebook paper
[35:31.200 --> 35:34.200]  that was just a kind of a fake continuance,
[35:34.200 --> 35:37.200]  I had her actually put the time down.
[35:37.200 --> 35:41.200]  So I can pretty much prove that no one actually signed
[35:41.200 --> 35:43.200]  a continuance on that date,
[35:43.200 --> 35:46.200]  that it was a fraudulent continuance.
[35:46.200 --> 35:50.200]  And the Mississippi rules state that in order to have
[35:50.200 --> 35:53.200]  a continuance, you have to sign the continuance order
[35:53.200 --> 35:54.200]  on that date.
[35:58.200 --> 36:02.200]  This is good.
[36:02.200 --> 36:06.200]  This is exactly what I was talking about earlier,
[36:06.200 --> 36:12.200]  is be the master and hold them to the letter.
[36:12.200 --> 36:14.200]  So what is your harm?
[36:14.200 --> 36:17.200]  What is your remedy?
[36:17.200 --> 36:20.200]  Okay.
[36:20.200 --> 36:21.200]  That was a question.
[36:21.200 --> 36:22.200]  What is?
[36:22.200 --> 36:23.200]  Okay.
[36:23.200 --> 36:29.200]  The harm and the remedy.
[36:29.200 --> 36:32.200]  The harm is, is you had to come down there
[36:32.200 --> 36:38.200]  and sit down there for a week of your time.
[36:38.200 --> 36:43.200]  What's the remedy?
[36:43.200 --> 36:45.200]  What about our office?
[36:45.200 --> 36:47.200]  No, no, no, no.
[36:47.200 --> 36:52.200]  Always when you find an issue,
[36:52.200 --> 36:58.200]  you've got to have a harm and there has to be a remedy.
[36:58.200 --> 37:03.200]  Here you had the court order you to come to trial
[37:03.200 --> 37:06.200]  and they had a duty under due process
[37:06.200 --> 37:09.200]  to be prepared for trial.
[37:09.200 --> 37:14.200]  Now, they knew they had this other trial at the same time,
[37:14.200 --> 37:18.200]  but they ordered you down there anyway.
[37:18.200 --> 37:22.200]  And if you can show that this is a pattern of conduct
[37:22.200 --> 37:28.200]  on the part of the court, this is a great Rico suit.
[37:28.200 --> 37:29.200]  Okay.
[37:29.200 --> 37:31.200]  Especially if you're there and there are a number
[37:31.200 --> 37:34.200]  of other people that they're calling in,
[37:34.200 --> 37:38.200]  having them wait, knowing, you know,
[37:38.200 --> 37:40.200]  you said there were how many people down there
[37:40.200 --> 37:42.200]  waiting for our hearing?
[37:42.200 --> 37:45.200]  Oh, probably 50 to 100.
[37:45.200 --> 37:49.200]  So to your knowledge, did they have hearings
[37:49.200 --> 37:51.200]  on any of these other people?
[37:51.200 --> 37:54.200]  Oh yeah, I watched several of them.
[37:54.200 --> 37:57.200]  They do have hearings.
[37:57.200 --> 38:01.200]  So do you have any idea how many people were brought down there
[38:01.200 --> 38:05.200]  and didn't have a hearing?
[38:05.200 --> 38:10.200]  I'm guessing, I'm thinking that they had about 50 hearings
[38:10.200 --> 38:15.200]  and they probably let another 50 sit.
[38:15.200 --> 38:21.200]  That you need to be able to document.
[38:21.200 --> 38:27.200]  You should be able to do that and look at the court docket.
[38:27.200 --> 38:31.200]  The docket will reflect what was done
[38:31.200 --> 38:34.200]  if there were, the case was continued,
[38:34.200 --> 38:36.200]  it'll show that it's continued.
[38:36.200 --> 38:39.200]  If you can show that they called 100 people down there
[38:39.200 --> 38:43.200]  and only got to 50 of them,
[38:43.200 --> 38:47.200]  that's clearly abusive process.
[38:47.200 --> 38:50.200]  Okay.
[38:50.200 --> 38:52.200]  And it'd be good if you could get hold of some of these people
[38:52.200 --> 38:56.200]  whose process wasn't abused.
[38:56.200 --> 39:03.200]  And one of the, it's all about politics.
[39:03.200 --> 39:08.200]  So one way to apply serious political pressure
[39:08.200 --> 39:14.200]  is to go down and ask the right questions.
[39:14.200 --> 39:19.200]  Ask questions that they don't want to give you an answer to.
[39:19.200 --> 39:23.200]  Like how many people were summoned?
[39:23.200 --> 39:30.200]  You want to see all of the summons for this circuit period.
[39:30.200 --> 39:33.200]  Then you want to see the case filed for each one of them.
[39:33.200 --> 39:36.200]  You look in the case file and see if the case was adjudicated
[39:36.200 --> 39:39.200]  or see if it was continued.
[39:39.200 --> 39:41.200]  And you should be able to tell that from the docket
[39:41.200 --> 39:44.200]  if they keep everything on the docket.
[39:44.200 --> 39:47.200]  And generally the docket will be the first page of the file
[39:47.200 --> 39:54.200]  and it will list everything that was filed into the record.
[39:54.200 --> 39:57.200]  So you run through them looking for continuances
[39:57.200 --> 40:02.200]  and start making a list that always drives a nuts.
[40:02.200 --> 40:06.200]  They think those records are theirs.
[40:06.200 --> 40:09.200]  And you come down to look at them and they want to know
[40:09.200 --> 40:14.200]  what the heck are you doing looking in my records?
[40:14.200 --> 40:17.200]  I've actually had clerks say to me,
[40:17.200 --> 40:19.200]  those are private.
[40:19.200 --> 40:21.200]  That's got personal information in it.
[40:21.200 --> 40:25.200]  You shouldn't be able to look at that.
[40:25.200 --> 40:33.200]  And I said, where were you when they were having civics class?
[40:33.200 --> 40:38.200]  Apparently you missed something really important.
[40:38.200 --> 40:43.200]  What did you think that passage in the Constitution
[40:43.200 --> 40:52.200]  that said that we have a right to a fair and public court met?
[40:52.200 --> 40:56.200]  That it was only fair and not public?
[40:56.200 --> 41:00.200]  And she just stood there and looked at me like she wanted to slap me.
[41:00.200 --> 41:03.200]  But I did understand her position.
[41:03.200 --> 41:07.200]  These are people coming down here and they have traumatic issues,
[41:07.200 --> 41:10.200]  issues that are embarrassing,
[41:10.200 --> 41:15.200]  that they don't want everybody to know about.
[41:15.200 --> 41:19.200]  Tough!
[41:19.200 --> 41:22.200]  If we are to have a fair and open court,
[41:22.200 --> 41:24.200]  it's going to have to be public.
[41:24.200 --> 41:26.200]  But when you go down there and look at them,
[41:26.200 --> 41:29.200]  they really don't like that.
[41:29.200 --> 41:33.200]  A lot of times they're polite and accommodating,
[41:33.200 --> 41:36.200]  but they never like it.
[41:36.200 --> 41:39.200]  And the less you tell them,
[41:39.200 --> 41:42.200]  and when I go looking at records,
[41:42.200 --> 41:47.200]  I deliberately ask for more than I need.
[41:47.200 --> 41:52.200]  And when they ask me to narrow the scope,
[41:52.200 --> 41:55.200]  I did that in AISL, City of AISL,
[41:55.200 --> 41:57.200]  when I got a ticket there.
[41:57.200 --> 42:02.200]  I gave them a request for the certifications
[42:02.200 --> 42:08.200]  for all police officers for the City of AISL.
[42:08.200 --> 42:11.200]  The certification under the administrative code.
[42:11.200 --> 42:15.200]  And the woman who was in the office who got the request
[42:15.200 --> 42:17.200]  came to me and said,
[42:17.200 --> 42:20.200]  Mr. Kelton, I'm looking over your request
[42:20.200 --> 42:23.200]  and that's going to require a lot of documentation.
[42:23.200 --> 42:25.200]  I said, yes, I understand that.
[42:25.200 --> 42:28.200]  Can you narrow the scope
[42:28.200 --> 42:32.200]  and tell me exactly what you're looking for?
[42:32.200 --> 42:34.200]  I said, sure, I can.
[42:34.200 --> 42:42.200]  I am looking for exactly what that request says.
[42:42.200 --> 42:46.200]  He's still there looking at me like,
[42:46.200 --> 42:52.200]  I wonder if I could get the bail to shoot this guy.
[42:52.200 --> 42:54.200]  I went on to tell her, I said,
[42:54.200 --> 42:58.200]  look, you can't know what I'm looking for.
[42:58.200 --> 43:02.200]  Because if I narrow the scope to the point
[43:02.200 --> 43:05.200]  that you know what record I'm looking for
[43:05.200 --> 43:08.200]  and I don't find that record,
[43:08.200 --> 43:11.200]  you will be compromised.
[43:11.200 --> 43:14.200]  And she, oh, okay,
[43:14.200 --> 43:17.200]  but she was still really, really irritated.
[43:17.200 --> 43:20.200]  You know, they know when you go see the records
[43:20.200 --> 43:23.200]  that you're after them.
[43:23.200 --> 43:25.200]  But no, why you're after them?
[43:25.200 --> 43:29.200]  I had a sheriff's, the sheriff's department.
[43:29.200 --> 43:31.200]  I told them I needed some copies
[43:31.200 --> 43:34.200]  and they said, give us the stuff we'll make them.
[43:34.200 --> 43:35.200]  I said, no, no, no, no.
[43:35.200 --> 43:37.200]  You can't see what I'm copying.
[43:37.200 --> 43:41.200]  So they set me up a copier in the jail
[43:41.200 --> 43:43.200]  in one of the holding cells.
[43:43.200 --> 43:44.200]  And I wondered why they put it there
[43:44.200 --> 43:46.200]  and I walked up to the copier
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[43:47.200 --> 43:50.200]  and they've got a video camera,
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[43:52.200 --> 43:54.200]  So I took my suit coat off
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[46:23.200 --> 46:25.200]  We're in Kelton, Denver, Stevens.
[46:25.200 --> 46:27.200]  We're talking to Jeff in Mississippi.
[46:27.200 --> 46:29.200]  I kind of ran off the cliff there.
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[46:37.200 --> 46:39.200]  Have a question or comment.
[46:39.200 --> 46:41.200]  And, Jeff, we were talking about
[46:41.200 --> 46:43.200]  the politics.
[46:43.200 --> 46:45.200]  Mm-hmm.
[46:45.200 --> 46:47.200]  I have went in.
[46:47.200 --> 46:49.200]  My favorite one was
[46:49.200 --> 46:51.200]  Williamson County.
[46:51.200 --> 46:53.200]  Well,
[46:53.200 --> 46:55.200]  you might want to try to find somebody
[46:55.200 --> 46:57.200]  and send in there with a suit
[46:57.200 --> 46:59.200]  that
[46:59.200 --> 47:01.200]  looks like a lawyer.
[47:01.200 --> 47:03.200]  That makes them crazy
[47:03.200 --> 47:05.200]  when they get somebody in there
[47:05.200 --> 47:07.200]  that don't know who it is.
[47:07.200 --> 47:09.200]  I did this in Williamson County.
[47:09.200 --> 47:11.200]  I just went in and asked to see the records
[47:11.200 --> 47:13.200]  for
[47:13.200 --> 47:15.200]  a guy, Doug Bell.
[47:15.200 --> 47:17.200]  They had arrested him
[47:17.200 --> 47:19.200]  for two prescription
[47:19.200 --> 47:21.200]  pills and an aspirin bottle.
[47:21.200 --> 47:23.200]  He didn't want to carry
[47:23.200 --> 47:25.200]  the whole prescription with him,
[47:25.200 --> 47:27.200]  so he just put the two he needed to take it,
[47:27.200 --> 47:29.200]  an aspirin bottle.
[47:29.200 --> 47:31.200]  Then they stopped him, they arrested him.
[47:31.200 --> 47:33.200]  He brought in the prescriptions
[47:33.200 --> 47:35.200]  and they were still prosecuting.
[47:35.200 --> 47:37.200]  Yeah.
[47:37.200 --> 47:39.200]  So, I went down
[47:39.200 --> 47:41.200]  nice suit, tie.
[47:41.200 --> 47:43.200]  I asked for this guy's record.
[47:43.200 --> 47:45.200]  They bring it and I look through it
[47:45.200 --> 47:47.200]  and I call the clerk over.
[47:47.200 --> 47:49.200]  I said, I have a problem here.
[47:49.200 --> 47:51.200]  Well, first they asked me,
[47:51.200 --> 47:53.200]  what records I wanted to see
[47:53.200 --> 47:55.200]  and I told him.
[47:55.200 --> 47:57.200]  He said, do you mind if I ask
[47:57.200 --> 47:59.200]  why you want to see these records?
[47:59.200 --> 48:01.200]  I said, yes, I do.
[48:01.200 --> 48:03.200]  So, he didn't ask anymore.
[48:03.200 --> 48:05.200]  He brought the records
[48:05.200 --> 48:07.200]  and I didn't find
[48:07.200 --> 48:09.200]  a criminal complaint in there
[48:09.200 --> 48:11.200]  which I did not expect to find.
[48:11.200 --> 48:13.200]  So,
[48:13.200 --> 48:15.200]  I asked him,
[48:15.200 --> 48:17.200]  you know,
[48:17.200 --> 48:19.200]  where's the rest of this file?
[48:19.200 --> 48:21.200]  Well, this is all of it.
[48:21.200 --> 48:23.200]  No, no, no, no.
[48:23.200 --> 48:27.200]  There is no initiating document.
[48:27.200 --> 48:29.200]  Hmm.
[48:29.200 --> 48:31.200]  And they didn't know what it was,
[48:31.200 --> 48:33.200]  what an initiating document was.
[48:33.200 --> 48:35.200]  I said, well,
[48:35.200 --> 48:37.200]  this is a criminal prosecution.
[48:37.200 --> 48:39.200]  You have to have a criminal accusation
[48:39.200 --> 48:41.200]  in order to initiate a prosecution
[48:41.200 --> 48:43.200]  and you have to have a fighting problem
[48:43.200 --> 48:45.200]  because I don't see any of that in here.
[48:45.200 --> 48:47.200]  All of that should have been
[48:47.200 --> 48:49.200]  I said, I don't see
[48:49.200 --> 48:51.200]  the sealed document
[48:51.200 --> 48:53.200]  envelope from
[48:53.200 --> 48:55.200]  the magistrate.
[48:55.200 --> 48:57.200]  Well,
[48:57.200 --> 48:59.200]  we never get that.
[48:59.200 --> 49:01.200]  Well, where do you get this stuff?
[49:01.200 --> 49:03.200]  Well, we get it from the prosecutor.
[49:03.200 --> 49:05.200]  Oh, okay.
[49:05.200 --> 49:07.200]  Thank you.
[49:07.200 --> 49:09.200]  I go to the prosecutor and give a prosecutor
[49:09.200 --> 49:11.200]  a request
[49:11.200 --> 49:13.200]  for all documents
[49:13.200 --> 49:15.200]  collected or assembled to maintain
[49:15.200 --> 49:17.200]  by the department that is
[49:17.200 --> 49:19.200]  specifically referenced
[49:19.200 --> 49:21.200]  by Article 1730
[49:21.200 --> 49:23.200]  Code of Criminal Procedure.
[49:23.200 --> 49:25.200]  And this young
[49:25.200 --> 49:27.200]  really attractive lawyer
[49:29.200 --> 49:31.200]  real short skirt
[49:31.200 --> 49:33.200]  tight dress,
[49:33.200 --> 49:35.200]  I took one look at her and thought
[49:35.200 --> 49:37.200]  this woman gets by
[49:37.200 --> 49:39.200]  on looks.
[49:39.200 --> 49:41.200]  She's not going to be the sharpest knife
[49:41.200 --> 49:43.200]  in the door and she wasn't.
[49:43.200 --> 49:45.200]  She said,
[49:45.200 --> 49:47.200]  I read you Mr. Kelton
[49:47.200 --> 49:49.200]  I've read your request
[49:49.200 --> 49:51.200]  and I'm not sure what you're asking
[49:51.200 --> 49:53.200]  for.
[49:53.200 --> 49:55.200]  I said, oh, that's no problem.
[49:55.200 --> 49:57.200]  Just go to the legislature
[49:57.200 --> 49:59.200]  and ask them what they meant
[49:59.200 --> 50:01.200]  when they
[50:01.200 --> 50:03.200]  passed Article 17.30
[50:03.200 --> 50:05.200]  Code of Criminal Procedure.
[50:05.200 --> 50:07.200]  That was not
[50:07.200 --> 50:09.200]  the answer she wanted to hear.
[50:09.200 --> 50:11.200]  But she ambled off
[50:11.200 --> 50:13.200]  and then I went
[50:13.200 --> 50:15.200]  and sat down in the courtroom and took out a pad
[50:15.200 --> 50:17.200]  and started taking notes.
[50:17.200 --> 50:19.200]  And
[50:19.200 --> 50:21.200]  I had a, they sit
[50:21.200 --> 50:23.200]  with these young lawyers over in a black suit
[50:23.200 --> 50:25.200]  black
[50:25.200 --> 50:27.200]  shirt, red tie. I guess he thought he looked
[50:27.200 --> 50:29.200]  really cool.
[50:29.200 --> 50:31.200]  And asked me
[50:31.200 --> 50:33.200]  sir, sir, and I'm
[50:33.200 --> 50:35.200]  looking down writing and I look up and I said, yes.
[50:35.200 --> 50:37.200]  Do you
[50:37.200 --> 50:39.200]  have a case here today?
[50:39.200 --> 50:41.200]  No, no, no, nothing like that.
[50:41.200 --> 50:43.200]  And I go back to writing.
[50:43.200 --> 50:45.200]  He waits a little while
[50:45.200 --> 50:47.200]  and then he says, sir, sir, and I look up
[50:47.200 --> 50:49.200]  and I said, yes. Do you have
[50:49.200 --> 50:51.200]  a civil case in this court?
[50:51.200 --> 50:53.200]  No, no, no, nothing like that.
[50:53.200 --> 50:55.200]  I go back to writing.
[50:55.200 --> 50:57.200]  He waits a little while,
[50:57.200 --> 50:59.200]  sir, sir, and I look up
[50:59.200 --> 51:01.200]  hold up both hands with my palms out
[51:01.200 --> 51:03.200]  no more questions.
[51:03.200 --> 51:05.200]  I go back to writing.
[51:05.200 --> 51:07.200]  And he thought I'd hit him with a brick.
[51:07.200 --> 51:09.200]  He's
[51:09.200 --> 51:11.200]  they're all trying to figure out who this guy
[51:11.200 --> 51:13.200]  is.
[51:13.200 --> 51:15.200]  And they have no idea.
[51:15.200 --> 51:17.200]  This is what happens
[51:17.200 --> 51:19.200]  when you're dealing with corrupt
[51:19.200 --> 51:21.200]  officials.
[51:21.200 --> 51:23.200]  Or even officials that aren't corrupt
[51:23.200 --> 51:25.200]  but don't trust
[51:25.200 --> 51:27.200]  the system they're operating
[51:27.200 --> 51:29.200]  under.
[51:29.200 --> 51:31.200]  Most of these people know
[51:31.200 --> 51:33.200]  that what they're doing is just
[51:33.200 --> 51:35.200]  not right
[51:35.200 --> 51:37.200]  because it's not in law.
[51:37.200 --> 51:39.200]  They're doing what
[51:39.200 --> 51:41.200]  their bosses tell them and they look at the law
[51:41.200 --> 51:43.200]  and the law don't match what they're doing
[51:43.200 --> 51:45.200]  and they know that.
[51:45.200 --> 51:47.200]  And then you get somebody here
[51:47.200 --> 51:49.200]  looking over your shoulder
[51:49.200 --> 51:51.200]  going through your records and won't
[51:51.200 --> 51:53.200]  tell you who he is.
[51:53.200 --> 51:55.200]  The more corrupt your
[51:55.200 --> 51:57.200]  department is
[51:57.200 --> 51:59.200]  the more frightened they're going to be.
[51:59.200 --> 52:01.200]  And if you
[52:01.200 --> 52:03.200]  don't tell them what you're doing there
[52:03.200 --> 52:05.200]  what they come up with
[52:05.200 --> 52:07.200]  will be much worse than anything
[52:07.200 --> 52:09.200]  you could have thought of.
[52:09.200 --> 52:11.200]  They dismissed Doug
[52:11.200 --> 52:13.200]  Bell's case, took him to the judge
[52:13.200 --> 52:15.200]  had the judge sign the order
[52:15.200 --> 52:17.200]  took him down to the clerk
[52:17.200 --> 52:19.200]  filled out the paperwork he got
[52:19.200 --> 52:21.200]  to respond the next day.
[52:23.200 --> 52:25.200]  Politics.
[52:25.200 --> 52:27.200]  Think about
[52:27.200 --> 52:29.200]  how do you
[52:29.200 --> 52:31.200]  how do you
[52:31.200 --> 52:33.200]  if you were the
[52:33.200 --> 52:35.200]  CEO of a company
[52:35.200 --> 52:37.200]  and you had to
[52:37.200 --> 52:39.200]  research your own company, how would you do it?
[52:41.200 --> 52:43.200]  Would you go in there
[52:43.200 --> 52:45.200]  and tell someone in your company
[52:45.200 --> 52:47.200]  I want to see this document and they say
[52:47.200 --> 52:49.200]  well why do you want to see that document?
[52:49.200 --> 52:51.200]  Would you explain it to them?
[52:53.200 --> 52:55.200]  You know.
[52:55.200 --> 52:57.200]  Exactly.
[52:57.200 --> 52:59.200]  You know. You're the servant
[52:59.200 --> 53:01.200]  I'm the master
[53:01.200 --> 53:03.200]  I never
[53:03.200 --> 53:05.200]  ask a public servant to do
[53:05.200 --> 53:07.200]  anything
[53:07.200 --> 53:09.200]  that the public servant is
[53:09.200 --> 53:11.200]  not specifically directed
[53:11.200 --> 53:13.200]  to do by statutes.
[53:13.200 --> 53:15.200]  That's why I say never ask
[53:15.200 --> 53:17.200]  a public official to do anything
[53:17.200 --> 53:19.200]  you actually want him to do.
[53:21.200 --> 53:23.200]  This goes to the tar baby syndrome
[53:23.200 --> 53:25.200]  I got this state of tar baby here
[53:25.200 --> 53:27.200]  or the tar baby
[53:27.200 --> 53:29.200]  strategy syndrome. It's not a good word
[53:29.200 --> 53:31.200]  for that.
[53:31.200 --> 53:33.200]  I got this little tar baby
[53:33.200 --> 53:35.200]  you want to touch it
[53:35.200 --> 53:37.200]  there go ahead touch it
[53:37.200 --> 53:39.200]  touch it. I'm going to ask you
[53:39.200 --> 53:41.200]  to do something that I really want you not
[53:41.200 --> 53:43.200]  to do it
[53:43.200 --> 53:45.200]  and the reason
[53:45.200 --> 53:47.200]  for that is it creates a
[53:47.200 --> 53:49.200]  different mindset
[53:49.200 --> 53:51.200]  when I go in
[53:51.200 --> 53:53.200]  and ask them for records and they
[53:53.200 --> 53:55.200]  don't give them to me
[53:55.200 --> 53:57.200]  I don't feel
[53:57.200 --> 53:59.200]  mistreated
[53:59.200 --> 54:01.200]  or betrayed or denied
[54:01.200 --> 54:03.200]  in one of my rights
[54:03.200 --> 54:05.200]  I think
[54:05.200 --> 54:07.200]  I'm going to make you wish
[54:07.200 --> 54:09.200]  you hadn't done that
[54:09.200 --> 54:11.200]  and
[54:11.200 --> 54:13.200]  they see that in my eyes
[54:13.200 --> 54:15.200]  and in my demeanor
[54:15.200 --> 54:17.200]  and that is
[54:17.200 --> 54:19.200]  not what they expect to see
[54:19.200 --> 54:21.200]  so
[54:21.200 --> 54:23.200]  internally they get these warning
[54:23.200 --> 54:25.200]  messages going off all over the place
[54:25.200 --> 54:27.200]  you
[54:27.200 --> 54:29.200]  know the feeling
[54:29.200 --> 54:31.200]  something is just not
[54:31.200 --> 54:33.200]  right here
[54:33.200 --> 54:35.200]  and I don't know what it is
[54:37.200 --> 54:39.200]  so
[54:39.200 --> 54:41.200]  when we start we never tell them
[54:41.200 --> 54:43.200]  for the most part
[54:43.200 --> 54:45.200]  that we're the masters and they're the servants
[54:45.200 --> 54:47.200]  I do that every once in a while
[54:47.200 --> 54:49.200]  just to be annoying
[54:49.200 --> 54:51.200]  but the idea is
[54:51.200 --> 54:53.200]  self as a master and then the servants
[54:53.200 --> 54:55.200]  and
[54:55.200 --> 54:57.200]  because you are the citizen
[54:57.200 --> 54:59.200]  you have an incredible
[54:59.200 --> 55:01.200]  amount of
[55:01.200 --> 55:03.200]  power and influence there
[55:05.200 --> 55:07.200]  and once they realize you
[55:07.200 --> 55:09.200]  understand it
[55:09.200 --> 55:11.200]  it changes everything
[55:13.200 --> 55:15.200]  I've gotten to where I get
[55:15.200 --> 55:17.200]  about two words I don't like
[55:17.200 --> 55:19.200]  and
[55:19.200 --> 55:21.200]  I don't trust these guys
[55:23.200 --> 55:25.200]  they all feel
[55:25.200 --> 55:27.200]  like they're standing behind
[55:27.200 --> 55:29.200]  a thin blue line
[55:31.200 --> 55:33.200]  and they have to protect one another
[55:33.200 --> 55:35.200]  from these vicious civilians out here
[55:37.200 --> 55:39.200]  well this is not an occupied country
[55:41.200 --> 55:43.200]  we are not civilians
[55:43.200 --> 55:45.200]  we are not
[55:45.200 --> 55:47.200]  an
[55:47.200 --> 55:49.200]  occupied
[55:49.200 --> 55:51.200]  indigenous population
[55:53.200 --> 55:55.200]  we are the masters
[55:55.200 --> 55:57.200]  and they are the servants
[55:57.200 --> 55:59.200]  and they are not to forget it
[56:01.200 --> 56:03.200]  if they do they forget it at their peril
[56:05.200 --> 56:07.200]  so if you're going there with your tar baby
[56:07.200 --> 56:09.200]  make sure before you ask
[56:09.200 --> 56:11.200]  an official to do something
[56:11.200 --> 56:13.200]  that you've checked the code
[56:13.200 --> 56:15.200]  that says he has to
[56:17.200 --> 56:19.200]  then when he does it
[56:19.200 --> 56:21.200]  gotcha
[56:21.200 --> 56:23.200]  I did this in judge wright's
[56:23.200 --> 56:25.200]  court they gave me
[56:25.200 --> 56:27.200]  some problems getting me some records
[56:27.200 --> 56:29.200]  but they finally brought
[56:29.200 --> 56:31.200]  them and I'm looking at the records
[56:31.200 --> 56:33.200]  and judge wright came up and said
[56:33.200 --> 56:35.200]  you can't look at those records
[56:35.200 --> 56:37.200]  you're a security risk
[56:37.200 --> 56:39.200]  and I said these records
[56:39.200 --> 56:41.200]  right here and I pointed to the file
[56:41.200 --> 56:43.200]  that was open
[56:43.200 --> 56:45.200]  yes that record right there
[56:45.200 --> 56:47.200]  so I closed it real quick
[56:47.200 --> 56:49.200]  pushed it across the table
[56:49.200 --> 56:51.200]  and this time the bailiff had came up
[56:51.200 --> 56:53.200]  and I said Mr. bailiff did you hear that
[56:53.200 --> 56:55.200]  yes Mr. Kellerman I did
[56:55.200 --> 56:57.200]  arrest that woman
[56:59.200 --> 57:01.200]  that was
[57:01.200 --> 57:03.200]  so much fun
[57:03.200 --> 57:05.200]  well I can't arrest her this is her court
[57:05.200 --> 57:07.200]  oh no no no
[57:07.200 --> 57:09.200]  you are mistaken
[57:09.200 --> 57:11.200]  this is not her court
[57:11.200 --> 57:13.200]  this is my court
[57:13.200 --> 57:15.200]  and I very generously
[57:15.200 --> 57:17.200]  allow her to administer it
[57:17.200 --> 57:19.200]  according to my law
[57:19.200 --> 57:21.200]  she just breached one
[57:21.200 --> 57:23.200]  in your sight and in your presence
[57:23.200 --> 57:25.200]  arrest her
[57:25.200 --> 57:27.200]  I can't arrest the judge
[57:27.200 --> 57:29.200]  I have to administer the court here
[57:29.200 --> 57:31.200]  come on Mr. bailiff
[57:31.200 --> 57:33.200]  take your chicken suit off
[57:33.200 --> 57:35.200]  and I always tell him that
[57:35.200 --> 57:39.200]  disarms him
[57:39.200 --> 57:41.200]  in that they no longer feel
[57:41.200 --> 57:43.200]  like they're in control
[57:43.200 --> 57:45.200]  I'm calling him a coward
[57:45.200 --> 57:47.200]  but doing it
[57:47.200 --> 57:49.200]  in a way he's not sure
[57:49.200 --> 57:51.200]  if I'm joking or not
[57:51.200 --> 57:53.200]  and it makes him wonder
[57:53.200 --> 57:55.200]  what does this scoundrel have up his sleeve
[57:55.200 --> 57:57.200]  what does he know
[57:57.200 --> 57:59.200]  that I don't
[57:59.200 --> 58:01.200]  and I got the bailiff to take me
[58:01.200 --> 58:03.200]  to his boss and he found out
[58:03.200 --> 58:05.200]  that I had up my sleeve
[58:05.200 --> 58:07.200]  I asked his boss to arrest him
[58:07.200 --> 58:09.200]  and he's standing there
[58:09.200 --> 58:11.200]  with his mouth hanging open
[58:11.200 --> 58:13.200]  thinking what the heck
[58:13.200 --> 58:15.200]  is going on
[58:15.200 --> 58:17.200]  and I just walked up
[58:17.200 --> 58:19.200]  the ladder this way
[58:19.200 --> 58:21.200]  every time I talk to one of these guys
[58:21.200 --> 58:23.200]  I'm always seeing
[58:23.200 --> 58:25.200]  what's going to play well
[58:25.200 --> 58:27.200]  before a grand jury
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[01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:55.200]  prisoners on hunger strike
[01:00:55.200 --> 01:00:57.200]  at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base
[01:00:57.200 --> 01:00:59.200]  Association President Pamela Cipriano
[01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:01.200]  says in a letter to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel
[01:01:01.200 --> 01:01:03.200]  the nurse was exercising his right
[01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:05.200]  to uphold the ethical code for nurses
[01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:07.200]  the letter was released on Wednesday
[01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:09.200]  the nurse was the first known member
[01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:11.200]  of the medical staff on the U.S. base in Cuba
[01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:13.200]  to refuse to feed prisoners
[01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:15.200]  taking part in a hunger strike
[01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:19.200]  a veteran of the United States Navy
[01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:21.200]  was fired from his job at a hotel
[01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:23.200]  taking pictures to Facebook
[01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:25.200]  of federal protection services
[01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:27.200]  and Department of Homeland Security vehicles
[01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:29.200]  near Ferguson, Missouri
[01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:31.200]  Mark Paphrath says his boss
[01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:33.200]  and the head of security at the Drury Hotel
[01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:35.200]  admonished him for taking the pictures
[01:01:35.200 --> 01:01:37.200]  and fired him
[01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:39.200]  he says he was told he dishonorably served his country
[01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:41.200]  during his three years in the military
[01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:43.200]  CNN confirmed that the DHS
[01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:45.200]  does have additional units in Ferguson
[01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:47.200]  while awaiting the grand jury decision
[01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:49.200]  two farms in Jackson County, Oregon
[01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:51.200]  are suing to get a countywide ban
[01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:53.200]  on genetically modified crops overturned
[01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:55.200]  Schultz Family Farms, LLC
[01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:57.200]  of Gold Hill and James and Marilyn
[01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:59.200]  Frank currently grow Monsanto's
[01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:01.200]  Roundup Ready alfalfa
[01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:03.200]  and say they will lose $4.2 million
[01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:05.200]  if they destroy their crops
[01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:07.200]  the lawsuit says the ordinance violated
[01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:09.200]  the state's Right to Farm Act
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[01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:17.200]  okay we are back Randy Kelton
[01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:19.200]  Devin Stevens with Rural Radio
[01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:21.200]  and we're talking to Jeff in Mississippi
[01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:23.200]  and Jeff I
[01:03:23.200 --> 01:03:27.200]  I could do an experiment
[01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:29.200]  let's look at your case
[01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:31.200]  and figure out what we can do
[01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:35.200]  to make them nuts
[01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:39.200]  what can we do
[01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:45.200]  to highlight their improper practices
[01:03:45.200 --> 01:03:47.200]  in a way that we don't
[01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:51.200]  make any direct accusations
[01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:55.200]  if you make an accusation
[01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:57.200]  counter
[01:03:57.200 --> 01:04:01.200]  but if you make an implication
[01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:05.200]  now they got to guess and wonder
[01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:07.200]  so
[01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:11.200]  in talking to you over time
[01:04:11.200 --> 01:04:15.200]  it looks like something is going on here
[01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:19.200]  what is it that you think is going on
[01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:23.200]  with their criminal prosecutions
[01:04:23.200 --> 01:04:27.200]  I'm thinking specifically concerning people
[01:04:27.200 --> 01:04:31.200]  who don't make a deal and fight prosecution
[01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:33.200]  yeah they continue them
[01:04:33.200 --> 01:04:35.200]  their case till the world comes to an end
[01:04:35.200 --> 01:04:41.200]  okay what else do they do
[01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:45.200]  they hide all their paperwork
[01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:51.200]  oh that's good
[01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:55.200]  they cover up if they don't have any paperwork
[01:04:55.200 --> 01:04:57.200]  who did
[01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:59.200]  okay that's the clerk doing that
[01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:01.200]  for who
[01:05:01.200 --> 01:05:03.200]  my first trial
[01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:11.200]  I showed up without a single stitch of paper
[01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:15.200]  was it in the public record
[01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:19.200]  yes because I was brought in
[01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:21.200]  they had put me in jail
[01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:23.200]  and I got brought in from jail
[01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:25.200]  and my attorney is sitting there
[01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:27.200]  without any paperwork at all on the table
[01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:29.200]  and I had been asking her for my file
[01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:31.200]  and she refused
[01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:35.200]  and the prosecution called a lady up from the college
[01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.200]  to testify against me
[01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:39.200]  and the lady pulls out my student file
[01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:41.200]  and I went ballistic
[01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:43.200]  and started yelling and screaming
[01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:45.200]  that's one of the reasons I got called on contempt
[01:05:45.200 --> 01:05:47.200]  is because I wouldn't shut up
[01:05:47.200 --> 01:05:51.200]  okay we have to fix that part
[01:05:51.200 --> 01:05:55.200]  I made a horrible mistake
[01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:59.200]  the last thing we want them to do
[01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:05.200]  is think that they are in control of what's going on
[01:06:05.200 --> 01:06:07.200]  if they can get you jumping up and down
[01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:09.200]  then they're in control
[01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:13.200]  I'm going to suggest that
[01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:17.200]  the first place to go
[01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.200]  is a civil action
[01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:23.200]  against your first attorney for malpractice
[01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:25.200]  okay
[01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:29.200]  and then once you have the civil action in place
[01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:33.200]  then you can start doing discovery
[01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:37.200]  mm-hmm
[01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:39.200]  alright
[01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:41.200]  then you start asking for things
[01:06:41.200 --> 01:06:45.200]  they were court appointed counsel
[01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:49.200]  you definitely want to see an accounting
[01:06:49.200 --> 01:06:53.200]  of all of the payments by the county
[01:06:53.200 --> 01:06:57.200]  to court appointed counsel
[01:06:57.200 --> 01:06:59.200]  here in wise county
[01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:01.200]  a lawyer told me this one
[01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:05.200]  this was a guy that was a county prosecutor
[01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:07.200]  and prosecuted me years ago
[01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:09.200]  and I clobbered him in court
[01:07:09.200 --> 01:07:13.200]  and we got to be good friends after that
[01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:17.200]  and he got clobbered in Denton county
[01:07:17.200 --> 01:07:21.200]  for a pot
[01:07:21.200 --> 01:07:23.200]  and he wound up in Alaska
[01:07:23.200 --> 01:07:25.200]  and then he came back
[01:07:25.200 --> 01:07:27.200]  and this is what he told me
[01:07:27.200 --> 01:07:29.200]  if you are in wise county
[01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:31.200]  and you get court appointed counsel
[01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:35.200]  if court appointed counsel gets you to take a deal
[01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:37.200]  they'll be paid $250
[01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:41.200]  if they do not get you to take a deal
[01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:43.200]  they'll be paid $125
[01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:45.200]  oh
[01:07:45.200 --> 01:07:47.200]  oh yes
[01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:49.200]  exactly
[01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:53.200]  so you want to find out if that is the case
[01:07:53.200 --> 01:07:59.200]  in whatever county this is
[01:07:59.200 --> 01:08:05.200]  they are not going to want that kind of information brought out
[01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:09.200]  and look for all of the things
[01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:15.200]  that point to impropriety
[01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:17.200]  whether you improve impropriety
[01:08:17.200 --> 01:08:19.200]  now it's not so relevant
[01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:21.200]  but
[01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:23.200]  per
[01:08:23.200 --> 01:08:25.200]  percent
[01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:27.200]  and you know when you are digging like this
[01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:31.200]  what you want to be able to do
[01:08:31.200 --> 01:08:34.200]  is ask for something
[01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:36.200]  that
[01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:39.200]  will implicate them
[01:08:39.200 --> 01:08:43.200]  but on the surface it's not clear how it will implement them
[01:08:43.200 --> 01:08:44.200]  implement
[01:08:44.200 --> 01:08:46.200]  implicate them
[01:08:46.200 --> 01:08:49.200]  for instance these records on
[01:08:49.200 --> 01:08:51.200]  payments
[01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:56.200]  to court appointing counsel
[01:08:56.200 --> 01:09:00.200]  it's got to be other places
[01:09:00.200 --> 01:09:01.200]  okay
[01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:03.200]  we have them
[01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:06.200]  the constant continuances
[01:09:06.200 --> 01:09:08.200]  you're going to want to go in and look at
[01:09:08.200 --> 01:09:10.200]  every time you were called
[01:09:10.200 --> 01:09:13.200]  were ordered to appear
[01:09:13.200 --> 01:09:16.200]  you take that date and
[01:09:16.200 --> 01:09:20.200]  okay I take it this circuit court
[01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:23.200]  brings their circus to town every so often
[01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:26.200]  so they're there for a period of time
[01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:28.200]  is that correct
[01:09:28.200 --> 01:09:30.200]  yes
[01:09:30.200 --> 01:09:33.200]  so you take the time period when they were there
[01:09:33.200 --> 01:09:36.200]  and
[01:09:36.200 --> 01:09:38.200]  ask to see
[01:09:38.200 --> 01:09:41.200]  all of the summons is
[01:09:41.200 --> 01:09:46.200]  issued by the clerk in this time period
[01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:48.200]  and you know when I ask for records like that
[01:09:48.200 --> 01:09:52.200]  they often say well you don't have to give me the specific file number
[01:09:52.200 --> 01:09:55.200]  okay I want to see
[01:09:55.200 --> 01:09:58.200]  you take your file number because a lot of times they won't
[01:09:58.200 --> 01:10:00.200]  tell me what they're
[01:10:00.200 --> 01:10:03.200]  I put in a request for their file numbering scheme
[01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:06.200]  and they got they wouldn't give me a file number
[01:10:06.200 --> 01:10:08.200]  so
[01:10:08.200 --> 01:10:11.200]  I had to ask for their whole file numbering scheme
[01:10:11.200 --> 01:10:13.200]  they got real excited over that
[01:10:13.200 --> 01:10:15.200]  but take your file number
[01:10:15.200 --> 01:10:19.200]  and move 100 numbers in front of it
[01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:22.200]  and tell them I want
[01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:24.200]  everything from this file
[01:10:24.200 --> 01:10:27.200]  and move down to 50 files
[01:10:27.200 --> 01:10:30.200]  I want to see these 50 files
[01:10:30.200 --> 01:10:34.200]  and they'll try to get you to narrow it
[01:10:34.200 --> 01:10:37.200]  and don't narrow it so I want to see all of them
[01:10:37.200 --> 01:10:42.200]  you know I have Dallas County will say you can only see 10 a day
[01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:44.200]  and I said okay
[01:10:44.200 --> 01:10:47.200]  bring me the first 10
[01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:51.200]  and when I ask for the second 10 and you refuse to bring them
[01:10:51.200 --> 01:10:56.200]  we'll deal with that at that time
[01:10:56.200 --> 01:10:59.200]  but when it got to the second set
[01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:03.200]  they decided it wouldn't be a problem
[01:11:03.200 --> 01:11:07.200]  you have to think of it as if you are the CEO
[01:11:07.200 --> 01:11:12.200]  and you are setting them up
[01:11:12.200 --> 01:11:15.200]  when I ask a clerk for records
[01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:18.200]  you know I hope she don't get them
[01:11:18.200 --> 01:11:21.200]  so I can clobber the clerk
[01:11:21.200 --> 01:11:23.200]  that way the next time I come in
[01:11:23.200 --> 01:11:27.200]  the clerk will bend over backwards to be nice to me
[01:11:27.200 --> 01:11:32.200]  so whatever you do don't let it upset you
[01:11:32.200 --> 01:11:35.200]  always act like you expected it
[01:11:35.200 --> 01:11:38.200]  so what else do they do
[01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:42.200]  that didn't seem right that we might want to look at?
[01:11:42.200 --> 01:11:45.200]  this phony continuance it's number one
[01:11:45.200 --> 01:11:49.200]  can you, can the court send you
[01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:54.200]  the continuance over the email?
[01:11:54.200 --> 01:11:56.200]  probably yes
[01:11:56.200 --> 01:11:59.200]  we have that in Texas
[01:11:59.200 --> 01:12:02.200]  okay so I didn't know if that was legal or not
[01:12:02.200 --> 01:12:07.200]  can they do it 11 days after?
[01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:09.200]  well yes
[01:12:09.200 --> 01:12:17.200]  if you were given notice at the time of the continuance
[01:12:17.200 --> 01:12:21.200]  you were given constructive notice
[01:12:21.200 --> 01:12:25.200]  and then 11 days later you got the physical filing
[01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:29.200]  however
[01:12:29.200 --> 01:12:33.200]  you have reason to believe there was no hearing here
[01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:36.200]  so you had no opportunity to object to it
[01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:39.200]  which you absolutely would have
[01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:41.200]  yes they never had a hearing
[01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:46.200]  so is that in one of the rules that they have to have a hearing?
[01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:49.200]  well it's
[01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:52.200]  most every state has it such that
[01:12:52.200 --> 01:12:57.200]  when the court orders you to be at court for trial
[01:12:57.200 --> 01:12:59.200]  on a day at a time
[01:12:59.200 --> 01:13:04.200]  the prosecution has a duty to be ready
[01:13:04.200 --> 01:13:07.200]  otherwise it's a due process violation
[01:13:07.200 --> 01:13:11.200]  otherwise they can force you to keep coming to court
[01:13:11.200 --> 01:13:13.200]  and never hold trial
[01:13:13.200 --> 01:13:16.200]  well that's what happened because I'll sit in the courtroom
[01:13:16.200 --> 01:13:18.200]  and it'll either be empty
[01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:21.200]  or there'll be other litigants in there
[01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:23.200]  and they'll be having other hearings
[01:13:23.200 --> 01:13:26.200]  and then at 4.59 some clerk comes in
[01:13:26.200 --> 01:13:28.200]  with a really stupid look on their face
[01:13:28.200 --> 01:13:30.200]  and says oh here's your continuance
[01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:33.200]  and then here's all these signatures of people
[01:13:33.200 --> 01:13:36.200]  who I've been watching during court
[01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:38.200]  so I know that they haven't signed it
[01:13:38.200 --> 01:13:42.200]  they just simply signed it over their iPhone or something silly
[01:13:42.200 --> 01:13:50.200]  okay if you need to be able to establish this as a pattern
[01:13:50.200 --> 01:13:54.200]  where they for their convenience
[01:13:54.200 --> 01:13:58.200]  summon more people than they can get to
[01:13:58.200 --> 01:14:04.200]  that's exactly why the state is required to be ready
[01:14:04.200 --> 01:14:06.200]  when it orders you to come
[01:14:06.200 --> 01:14:10.200]  in a civil trial if you're going to set a hearing
[01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:12.200]  then you call the guy on the other side
[01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:15.200]  and you say I'm going to set a hearing for this day at this time
[01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:17.200]  will you check your calendar
[01:14:17.200 --> 01:14:19.200]  and see if you're open on this day or time
[01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:23.200]  if not try this second date
[01:14:23.200 --> 01:14:26.200]  if you can't be at one of them
[01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:28.200]  you're going to have to pick one of them
[01:14:28.200 --> 01:14:30.200]  because I'm going to set it for one of them
[01:14:30.200 --> 01:14:32.200]  but you have to call them first
[01:14:32.200 --> 01:14:35.200]  and see which one suits them
[01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:38.200]  the state doesn't do that
[01:14:38.200 --> 01:14:42.200]  they say be here this day this time
[01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:47.200]  you must drop your life at their whim
[01:14:47.200 --> 01:14:50.200]  and go down there and be at their court
[01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:52.200]  when they commanded you to be there
[01:14:52.200 --> 01:14:56.200]  but when they do that they have a duty to be ready
[01:14:56.200 --> 01:14:57.200]  okay
[01:14:57.200 --> 01:14:59.200]  and that's going to go to you
[01:14:59.200 --> 01:15:02.200]  you need to look up your right to trial
[01:15:02.200 --> 01:15:04.200]  you need to research this out
[01:15:04.200 --> 01:15:07.200]  and it's relatively easy to do on the internet
[01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:11.200]  you have to think up the right question to ask
[01:15:11.200 --> 01:15:15.200]  and make sure that there is a requirement
[01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:17.200]  that when you're summoned to trial
[01:15:17.200 --> 01:15:20.200]  that you have a right to trial
[01:15:20.200 --> 01:15:21.200]  okay
[01:15:21.200 --> 01:15:23.200]  it's absolutely going to be there
[01:15:23.200 --> 01:15:26.200]  otherwise the courts get totally out of control
[01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:28.200]  just like these
[01:15:28.200 --> 01:15:29.200]  okay
[01:15:29.200 --> 01:15:32.200]  now lastly my attorney even admitted
[01:15:32.200 --> 01:15:34.200]  five days after the continuance
[01:15:34.200 --> 01:15:37.200]  that she didn't have it because I kept emailing her
[01:15:37.200 --> 01:15:40.200]  saying do you have that continuance
[01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:43.200]  so I have her in writing admitting that she doesn't have it
[01:15:43.200 --> 01:15:45.200]  five days after the trial
[01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:47.200]  or the continuance happened
[01:15:47.200 --> 01:15:51.200]  so she should get a malpractice suit
[01:15:51.200 --> 01:15:52.200]  okay
[01:15:52.200 --> 01:15:54.200]  what about a judicial complaint
[01:15:54.200 --> 01:15:56.200]  would that help in this case?
[01:15:56.200 --> 01:16:01.200]  judicial absolutely, bar grievance absolutely
[01:16:01.200 --> 01:16:03.200]  okay
[01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:07.200]  you want to sting the judge and the lawyer
[01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:10.200]  is at every opportunity
[01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:14.200]  remember what I said about the foresighted chess board
[01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:15.200]  mm-hmm
[01:16:15.200 --> 01:16:20.200]  here everybody has a relationship except you
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:23.200]  even your attorney doesn't have a relationship with you
[01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:25.200]  so
[01:16:25.200 --> 01:16:29.200]  you need to sting your lawyer good
[01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:31.200]  I plan to
[01:16:31.200 --> 01:16:34.200]  send her a tort letter
[01:16:34.200 --> 01:16:37.200]  calculate how much time you spent there
[01:16:37.200 --> 01:16:39.200]  and what it cost you
[01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:40.200]  and
[01:16:40.200 --> 01:16:43.200]  hang on this is Randy Catton
[01:16:43.200 --> 01:16:45.200]  this is Steven's Real Bar Radio
[01:16:45.200 --> 01:16:47.200]  and Jeff I see you there
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[01:19:07.200 --> 01:19:11.200]  Logos Radio Net Radio
[01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:17.200]  ain't gonna blind me
[01:19:21.200 --> 01:19:23.200]  don't bore me
[01:19:27.200 --> 01:19:28.200]  okay we are back
[01:19:28.200 --> 01:19:30.200]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens
[01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:31.200]  we're with our radio
[01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:33.200]  we're talking Jeff and Miss Sippy
[01:19:33.200 --> 01:19:35.200]  okay Jeva
[01:19:35.200 --> 01:19:38.200]  one issue
[01:19:38.200 --> 01:19:40.200]  you seem to be focused on the
[01:19:40.200 --> 01:19:43.200]  continuance issue
[01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:46.200]  and as a strategy
[01:19:46.200 --> 01:19:49.200]  you need more than that
[01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:52.200]  the continuance issue they probably know
[01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:55.200]  is a big deal
[01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:59.200]  so you want them to think of that one
[01:19:59.200 --> 01:20:02.200]  what else can you go after them for
[01:20:02.200 --> 01:20:06.200]  you need some throwaway issues
[01:20:06.200 --> 01:20:10.200]  false arrest
[01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:14.200]  as a pattern of behavior
[01:20:14.200 --> 01:20:17.200]  yeah actually I've been arrested three times
[01:20:17.200 --> 01:20:20.200]  yeah if they do it to you
[01:20:20.200 --> 01:20:23.200]  they most likely do it to other people
[01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:26.200]  okay at the beginning of the two-way term
[01:20:26.200 --> 01:20:27.200]  when I showed up
[01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:29.200]  my attorney came out in the hallway
[01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:31.200]  and said I'm going to arrest you
[01:20:31.200 --> 01:20:33.200]  and then the bailiff came out
[01:20:33.200 --> 01:20:36.200]  and took me away to the jail
[01:20:36.200 --> 01:20:39.200]  and I sat there and had to bail out
[01:20:39.200 --> 01:20:40.200]  and I never had a warrant
[01:20:40.200 --> 01:20:41.200]  never had a court order
[01:20:41.200 --> 01:20:44.200]  and I never went in front of a judge
[01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:50.200]  so that's a great one
[01:20:50.200 --> 01:20:55.200]  the lawyers having their own clients arrested
[01:20:55.200 --> 01:21:00.200]  and she wrote it to me in a letter
[01:21:00.200 --> 01:21:02.200]  oh wonderful
[01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:05.200]  you need to
[01:21:05.200 --> 01:21:09.200]  start looking for
[01:21:09.200 --> 01:21:11.200]  people who
[01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:15.200]  appeared at court under summons
[01:21:15.200 --> 01:21:19.200]  and was subsequently arrested
[01:21:19.200 --> 01:21:22.200]  okay well I appeared at court
[01:21:22.200 --> 01:21:25.200]  without a summons and was still arrested
[01:21:25.200 --> 01:21:29.200]  well no if you were ordered to be there
[01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:32.200]  the subpoena that's the summons
[01:21:32.200 --> 01:21:33.200]  okay
[01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:35.200]  so if you're ordered to come to court
[01:21:35.200 --> 01:21:37.200]  and you show up as ordered
[01:21:37.200 --> 01:21:38.200]  and are arrested
[01:21:38.200 --> 01:21:41.200]  you want to see how often that happens
[01:21:41.200 --> 01:21:43.200]  okay
[01:21:43.200 --> 01:21:45.200]  and you want to give them more than one thing
[01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:46.200]  to look at
[01:21:46.200 --> 01:21:51.200]  and preferably you want to
[01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:55.200]  pick a set of things to raise issues about
[01:21:55.200 --> 01:21:57.200]  that all seem to fit together
[01:21:57.200 --> 01:22:01.200]  have you read my habeas
[01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:05.200]  on the juris imprudence site
[01:22:05.200 --> 01:22:07.200]  yes it's been about a year ago
[01:22:07.200 --> 01:22:09.200]  so I need to read it again
[01:22:09.200 --> 01:22:10.200]  yeah go back and look at that
[01:22:10.200 --> 01:22:12.200]  and then think about all the
[01:22:12.200 --> 01:22:14.200]  you know the due process
[01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:15.200]  that you were subjected to
[01:22:15.200 --> 01:22:17.200]  and how it varies
[01:22:17.200 --> 01:22:19.200]  and then you start questioning about
[01:22:19.200 --> 01:22:21.200]  policies on these issues
[01:22:21.200 --> 01:22:24.200]  were you given a proper examining trial
[01:22:24.200 --> 01:22:29.200]  who trains magistrates to do examining trials
[01:22:29.200 --> 01:22:34.200]  to start peppering them with research
[01:22:34.200 --> 01:22:39.200]  and give them a lot of things to look at
[01:22:39.200 --> 01:22:41.200]  okay
[01:22:41.200 --> 01:22:42.200]  it would be more fun
[01:22:42.200 --> 01:22:45.200]  you won't believe how much fun it is
[01:22:45.200 --> 01:22:47.200]  they get to hop in up and down
[01:22:47.200 --> 01:22:49.200]  and doing this little chicken dance
[01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:51.200]  it's great fun
[01:22:51.200 --> 01:22:53.200]  okay
[01:22:53.200 --> 01:22:55.200]  okay
[01:22:55.200 --> 01:22:56.200]  alright
[01:22:56.200 --> 01:22:58.200]  do your homework
[01:22:58.200 --> 01:23:01.200]  put together all of the accusations
[01:23:01.200 --> 01:23:03.200]  you think you can find
[01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:05.200]  and then let's talk next week
[01:23:05.200 --> 01:23:07.200]  alright we'll see you next week
[01:23:07.200 --> 01:23:08.200]  thank you
[01:23:08.200 --> 01:23:10.200]  okay thank you Jeff
[01:23:10.200 --> 01:23:11.200]  okay that was Jeff
[01:23:11.200 --> 01:23:13.200]  now we're going to go to Jeff
[01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:15.200]  Jeff from Jeff in Mississippi
[01:23:15.200 --> 01:23:17.200]  to Jeff in Maryland
[01:23:17.200 --> 01:23:19.200]  hello Mr. Jeff
[01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:22.200]  yeah you have him not go away
[01:23:22.200 --> 01:23:25.200]  I just lost him
[01:23:25.200 --> 01:23:27.200]  oh jeez
[01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:29.200]  okay go ahead
[01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:31.200]  maybe he's listening
[01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:33.200]  Jeff Mississippi if you're listening
[01:23:33.200 --> 01:23:35.200]  call back
[01:23:35.200 --> 01:23:37.200]  yeah
[01:23:37.200 --> 01:23:40.200]  would you say that he's being denied due process
[01:23:40.200 --> 01:23:43.200]  oh yeah big time
[01:23:43.200 --> 01:23:45.200]  would you say that he's being denied
[01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:47.200]  meaningful access to court
[01:23:47.200 --> 01:23:49.200]  absolutely
[01:23:49.200 --> 01:23:51.200]  would you say that that might be
[01:23:51.200 --> 01:23:53.200]  civil rights action
[01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:55.200]  absolutely
[01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:57.200]  are you familiar with that
[01:23:57.200 --> 01:23:59.200]  I think but I'm not sure
[01:23:59.200 --> 01:24:02.200]  rule 30 or 32 of the rules of civil procedure
[01:24:02.200 --> 01:24:04.200]  better rules
[01:24:04.200 --> 01:24:06.200]  yeah
[01:24:06.200 --> 01:24:08.200]  no not offhand
[01:24:08.200 --> 01:24:10.200]  you can open up a case for the purpose of
[01:24:10.200 --> 01:24:12.200]  under civil rights action
[01:24:12.200 --> 01:24:14.200]  potential civil rights action
[01:24:14.200 --> 01:24:16.200]  for the purpose of preserving evidence
[01:24:16.200 --> 01:24:19.200]  oh that's like a yeah
[01:24:19.200 --> 01:24:21.200]  I am familiar with it
[01:24:21.200 --> 01:24:23.200]  I didn't remember the number of it
[01:24:23.200 --> 01:24:26.200]  we have that in Texas as well
[01:24:26.200 --> 01:24:28.200]  a
[01:24:28.200 --> 01:24:30.200]  pre litigation discovery
[01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:32.200]  he's not in Mississippi
[01:24:32.200 --> 01:24:34.200]  I mean he's not in Texas
[01:24:34.200 --> 01:24:36.200]  I know we have it in Texas
[01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:38.200]  and every state I've looked at
[01:24:38.200 --> 01:24:41.200]  actually has it so it's pretty certain he will have it
[01:24:41.200 --> 01:24:44.200]  you can bring that into federal court
[01:24:44.200 --> 01:24:47.200]  and under section 1988
[01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:50.200]  reasonable attorney fees are paid for
[01:24:50.200 --> 01:24:53.200]  oh and that will make
[01:24:53.200 --> 01:24:55.200]  he can start subpoena
[01:24:55.200 --> 01:24:57.200]  great politics
[01:24:57.200 --> 01:25:00.200]  you start discovery
[01:25:00.200 --> 01:25:03.200]  and he can subpoena the hell out of that judge
[01:25:03.200 --> 01:25:05.200]  to appear as a witness
[01:25:05.200 --> 01:25:08.200]  wonderful
[01:25:08.200 --> 01:25:11.200]  do you want to play
[01:25:11.200 --> 01:25:14.200]  yeah welcome to the deep end of the pool
[01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:17.200]  yeah
[01:25:17.200 --> 01:25:20.200]  oh that is great
[01:25:20.200 --> 01:25:23.200]  electronically stored data
[01:25:23.200 --> 01:25:26.200]  they're going to be in a world of hurt
[01:25:26.200 --> 01:25:29.200]  no this is good
[01:25:29.200 --> 01:25:32.200]  looks like he didn't call back but he'll call back next week
[01:25:32.200 --> 01:25:34.200]  and we'll certainly
[01:25:34.200 --> 01:25:37.200]  go to that I should have thought of
[01:25:37.200 --> 01:25:40.200]  pre litigation discovery I was brain dead
[01:25:40.200 --> 01:25:42.200]  yeah yeah
[01:25:42.200 --> 01:25:45.200]  well hopefully he'll play the recording back
[01:25:45.200 --> 01:25:47.200]  yeah
[01:25:47.200 --> 01:25:49.200]  did you look at
[01:25:49.200 --> 01:25:52.200]  11 USC
[01:25:52.200 --> 01:25:54.200]  546
[01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:56.200]  you're talking about the bankruptcy thing
[01:25:56.200 --> 01:25:58.200]  yes the bankruptcy
[01:25:58.200 --> 01:26:00.200]  yeah
[01:26:00.200 --> 01:26:02.200]  that
[01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:04.200]  that is
[01:26:04.200 --> 01:26:06.200]  that
[01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:08.200]  there's more than just that
[01:26:08.200 --> 01:26:10.200]  involved here also
[01:26:10.200 --> 01:26:12.200]  what did it
[01:26:12.200 --> 01:26:15.200]  did it seem as definitive
[01:26:15.200 --> 01:26:18.200]  to use it to me
[01:26:18.200 --> 01:26:20.200]  yeah
[01:26:20.200 --> 01:26:22.200]  what's interesting is that
[01:26:22.200 --> 01:26:25.200]  Bank of C court and I can't remember for life
[01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:28.200]  what it was
[01:26:28.200 --> 01:26:30.200]  when a creditor
[01:26:30.200 --> 01:26:32.200]  filed in a proof of claim
[01:26:32.200 --> 01:26:35.200]  that was outside the statute of limitations
[01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:38.200]  the Bank of C court declared that
[01:26:38.200 --> 01:26:41.200]  the creditor in violation of the FDCPA
[01:26:41.200 --> 01:26:44.200]  and that created a firestorm
[01:26:44.200 --> 01:26:47.200]  amongst the debt collector in the industry
[01:26:47.200 --> 01:26:50.200]  ooh
[01:26:50.200 --> 01:26:53.200]  think about it
[01:26:53.200 --> 01:26:56.200]  I get lots of people who are being
[01:26:56.200 --> 01:26:59.200]  harassed over a debt that's outside the limitations
[01:26:59.200 --> 01:27:02.200]  yes I understand that but
[01:27:02.200 --> 01:27:05.200]  he was in bankruptcy
[01:27:05.200 --> 01:27:08.200]  he declared them and they had to file a proof of claim
[01:27:08.200 --> 01:27:11.200]  but they were outside the statute of limitations
[01:27:11.200 --> 01:27:14.200]  and under the FDCPA if you take a legal action
[01:27:14.200 --> 01:27:16.200]  you cannot take that's a violation
[01:27:16.200 --> 01:27:19.200]  and they filed a proof of claim in the Bank of C court
[01:27:19.200 --> 01:27:22.200]  on a debt that was outside the statute of limitations
[01:27:22.200 --> 01:27:25.200]  that's taking a legal action they can't take
[01:27:25.200 --> 01:27:28.200]  that is interesting
[01:27:28.200 --> 01:27:31.200]  because it's not like they're initiating
[01:27:31.200 --> 01:27:34.200]  a legal proceeding
[01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:37.200]  this is a proceeding somebody else initiated
[01:27:37.200 --> 01:27:40.200]  but they took an action inside that other proceeding
[01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:43.200]  they're still subject that's wonderful
[01:27:43.200 --> 01:27:46.200]  I mean to tell you the presses
[01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:49.200]  and every debt collection
[01:27:49.200 --> 01:27:52.200]  association
[01:27:52.200 --> 01:27:55.200]  lit up on that
[01:27:55.200 --> 01:27:58.200]  I mean to tell you they were on fire
[01:27:58.200 --> 01:28:01.200]  how long ago was this
[01:28:01.200 --> 01:28:04.200]  oh wonderful
[01:28:04.200 --> 01:28:07.200]  the politics clearly
[01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:10.200]  appear to be
[01:28:10.200 --> 01:28:13.200]  wait I spoke over you there by mistake
[01:28:13.200 --> 01:28:16.200]  I said I'll send you a copy of one of the news releases
[01:28:16.200 --> 01:28:19.200]  oh wonderful wonderful
[01:28:19.200 --> 01:28:22.200]  because it lit a firestorm
[01:28:22.200 --> 01:28:25.200]  and I also
[01:28:25.200 --> 01:28:28.200]  came across a case that
[01:28:28.200 --> 01:28:31.200]  a grief that referenced
[01:28:31.200 --> 01:28:34.200]  American
[01:28:34.200 --> 01:28:37.200]  brokers conduit
[01:28:37.200 --> 01:28:40.200]  as not being a legitimate company
[01:28:40.200 --> 01:28:43.200]  under countrywide
[01:28:43.200 --> 01:28:46.200]  are you familiar with that?
[01:28:46.200 --> 01:28:49.200]  American wholesale lenders
[01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:52.200]  that one you gave me the case on
[01:28:52.200 --> 01:28:55.200]  they were never incorporated but
[01:28:55.200 --> 01:28:58.200]  I came across a reference he didn't go into detail
[01:28:58.200 --> 01:29:01.200]  about American brokers conduit
[01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:04.200]  why they weren't a legitimate business
[01:29:04.200 --> 01:29:07.200]  he just stated
[01:29:07.200 --> 01:29:10.200]  as if the reader should already know that
[01:29:10.200 --> 01:29:13.200]  yeah you run into
[01:29:13.200 --> 01:29:16.200]  some of that sort of things in some of the articles
[01:29:16.200 --> 01:29:19.200]  so that was kind of
[01:29:19.200 --> 01:29:22.200]  frustrating that he didn't tell me why because we come across American
[01:29:22.200 --> 01:29:25.200]  brokers that are not focused on it all the time
[01:29:25.200 --> 01:29:28.200]  well oftentimes what they're running into
[01:29:28.200 --> 01:29:31.200]  like the decision that came out of
[01:29:31.200 --> 01:29:34.200]  where was it
[01:29:34.200 --> 01:29:37.200]  Utah
[01:29:37.200 --> 01:29:40.200]  where the courts declared
[01:29:40.200 --> 01:29:43.200]  that recon trust a division of
[01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:46.200]  okay wait hold on back to go to Brandon
[01:29:46.200 --> 01:29:49.200]  hang on we'll pick this up on the other side
[01:29:49.200 --> 01:29:52.200]  we'll be right back
[01:30:01.200 --> 01:30:04.200]  to wage war you need three things
[01:30:04.200 --> 01:30:07.200]  money money and get more money
[01:30:07.200 --> 01:30:10.200]  so said John DeCopo Travolzio a military leader from the 1400s
[01:30:10.200 --> 01:30:13.200]  but modern war has new costs
[01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:16.200]  under Dr. Kaepfer and Albrecht and I'll tell you more in just a moment
[01:30:16.200 --> 01:30:19.200]  you'll see is under attack when you give up data about yourself
[01:30:19.200 --> 01:30:22.200]  you'll never get it back again and once your privacy
[01:30:22.200 --> 01:30:25.200]  is gone you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too
[01:30:25.200 --> 01:30:28.200]  so protect your rights say no to surveillance
[01:30:28.200 --> 01:30:31.200]  and keep your information to yourself
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[01:30:43.200 --> 01:30:46.200]  war is expensive
[01:30:46.200 --> 01:30:49.200]  and the war on terror is no exception from 9-11 through
[01:30:49.200 --> 01:30:52.200]  2011 the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
[01:30:52.200 --> 01:30:55.200]  have cost nearly 1.3 trillion dollars
[01:30:55.200 --> 01:30:58.200]  over 4500 US servicemen have been killed
[01:30:58.200 --> 01:31:01.200]  and more than 43,000 wounded
[01:31:01.200 --> 01:31:04.200]  but there's another casualty of modern war that's just as costly
[01:31:04.200 --> 01:31:07.200]  our civil liberties and sadly the destruction of our rights
[01:31:07.200 --> 01:31:10.200]  has been carried out by the very people we elected to serve us
[01:31:10.200 --> 01:31:13.200]  destroying our guaranteed freedoms in the name of security
[01:31:13.200 --> 01:31:15.200]  is a victory for our enemies
[01:31:15.200 --> 01:31:18.200]  we need to remind congress why America is worth fighting for
[01:31:18.200 --> 01:31:22.200]  in the first place in system protecting your constitutional rights
[01:31:22.200 --> 01:31:25.200]  I've got your Catherine Albrecht, more news and information
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[01:33:58.200 --> 01:34:00.200]  Randy Kelton, Debby Stevens
[01:34:00.200 --> 01:34:04.200]  we're talking to Jeff in Maryland
[01:34:04.200 --> 01:34:07.200]  so how's the weather there, Jeff?
[01:34:10.200 --> 01:34:12.200]  let's see, I didn't get in
[01:34:12.200 --> 01:34:13.200]  there we go
[01:34:13.200 --> 01:34:15.200]  okay, I'm sorry I didn't have you unmuted
[01:34:15.200 --> 01:34:16.200]  hello, Jeff
[01:34:16.200 --> 01:34:17.200]  it's cold
[01:34:17.200 --> 01:34:19.200]  oh, he should be in Texas
[01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:21.200]  it never gets cold in Texas
[01:34:21.200 --> 01:34:23.200]  that's not your last day
[01:34:23.200 --> 01:34:25.200]  the first part of this week you had snow
[01:34:25.200 --> 01:34:28.200]  nah, nah, nah, nah, that's a bunch of Yankee propaganda
[01:34:28.200 --> 01:34:30.200]  you don't believe that stuff
[01:34:30.200 --> 01:34:32.200]  what Dave and Dallas tells me
[01:34:32.200 --> 01:34:36.200]  ah, he probably knows too many Yankees
[01:34:40.200 --> 01:34:43.200]  anyway, I just sent the
[01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:46.200]  information to you
[01:34:46.200 --> 01:34:49.200]  on that ruling on proof of claim
[01:34:49.200 --> 01:34:50.200]  oh, that is
[01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:52.200]  that one's going to be wonderful
[01:34:52.200 --> 01:34:53.200]  wonderful
[01:34:53.200 --> 01:34:56.200]  that one along with the Santiago Mackie decision
[01:34:56.200 --> 01:34:59.200]  I'm hoping we can get people in other states
[01:34:59.200 --> 01:35:02.200]  to start suing the lawyers
[01:35:02.200 --> 01:35:07.200]  because I have no doubt that
[01:35:07.200 --> 01:35:12.200]  we'll get the same decision in every state
[01:35:12.200 --> 01:35:14.200]  because I can't imagine a state saying
[01:35:14.200 --> 01:35:19.200]  yeah, it's okay for lawyers to
[01:35:19.200 --> 01:35:24.200]  use fraudulent documents to adjudicate their case
[01:35:24.200 --> 01:35:27.200]  that would
[01:35:27.200 --> 01:35:30.200]  terribly undermine the whole legal system
[01:35:30.200 --> 01:35:32.200]  so I can't see them doing that
[01:35:32.200 --> 01:35:36.200]  just to cover these lawyers behinds
[01:35:36.200 --> 01:35:40.200]  and since the banks have made such a mess of the paperwork
[01:35:40.200 --> 01:35:44.200]  that fixes it where just about any lawyer
[01:35:44.200 --> 01:35:48.200]  who tries to prosecute a foreclosure
[01:35:48.200 --> 01:35:52.200]  is subject to suit himself
[01:35:52.200 --> 01:35:56.200]  as the politics goes
[01:35:56.200 --> 01:35:59.200]  that should really change something
[01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:03.200]  the politics is unpolitical pressures
[01:36:03.200 --> 01:36:06.200]  agreed
[01:36:06.200 --> 01:36:10.200]  and the way the decisions are coming out of the courts
[01:36:10.200 --> 01:36:13.200]  as of late
[01:36:13.200 --> 01:36:16.200]  the courts seem to be
[01:36:16.200 --> 01:36:19.200]  waking up smelling the coffee that
[01:36:19.200 --> 01:36:22.200]  the banks weren't the holy grail
[01:36:22.200 --> 01:36:24.200]  and everything that they brought into court
[01:36:24.200 --> 01:36:30.200]  wasn't complete accurate enough to date
[01:36:30.200 --> 01:36:33.200]  and I'm hoping the courts are
[01:36:33.200 --> 01:36:36.200]  feeling the heat because they're having to
[01:36:36.200 --> 01:36:39.200]  adjudicate so many of these cases
[01:36:39.200 --> 01:36:42.200]  and it seemed like they had
[01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:46.200]  been blaming the borrower for these problems
[01:36:46.200 --> 01:36:49.200]  and they're beginning to realize that the borrower
[01:36:49.200 --> 01:36:52.200]  were not the ones that caused the problem
[01:36:52.200 --> 01:36:56.200]  but it was the bank that created this mess
[01:36:56.200 --> 01:36:59.200]  well I think I suspect
[01:36:59.200 --> 01:37:03.200]  that where the large part of the decisions
[01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:07.200]  that were being made up until recently
[01:37:07.200 --> 01:37:10.200]  were not legal decisions but rather moral decisions
[01:37:10.200 --> 01:37:13.200]  you borrowed the money you didn't pay it back
[01:37:13.200 --> 01:37:16.200]  you lose the house goodbye
[01:37:16.200 --> 01:37:19.200]  yeah exactly politics
[01:37:19.200 --> 01:37:22.200]  basically it's a moral decision
[01:37:22.200 --> 01:37:25.200]  they're not there to render moral decisions
[01:37:25.200 --> 01:37:28.200]  they're there to render legal decisions
[01:37:28.200 --> 01:37:31.200]  exactly but then the court of appeals
[01:37:31.200 --> 01:37:34.200]  have been upholding these
[01:37:34.200 --> 01:37:37.200]  well that has been their history up until
[01:37:37.200 --> 01:37:41.200]  again that has been their history up until recently
[01:37:41.200 --> 01:37:44.200]  and they have started coming under fire themselves
[01:37:44.200 --> 01:37:48.200]  for rubber stamping these decisions
[01:37:48.200 --> 01:37:52.200]  so things are shifting
[01:37:52.200 --> 01:37:56.200]  good good so what do you see in the next
[01:37:56.200 --> 01:38:00.200]  two to three years in the foreclosure side
[01:38:00.200 --> 01:38:04.200]  well if recent
[01:38:04.200 --> 01:38:07.200]  conviction that was handed down
[01:38:07.200 --> 01:38:11.200]  up in I think it's New York
[01:38:11.200 --> 01:38:14.200]  is anything to go by
[01:38:14.200 --> 01:38:17.200]  it was the first criminal referral
[01:38:17.200 --> 01:38:20.200]  the first criminal referral
[01:38:20.200 --> 01:38:23.200]  to come out of the CFPB
[01:38:23.200 --> 01:38:27.200]  and they got a conviction
[01:38:27.200 --> 01:38:31.200]  the guy was sentenced to nine years
[01:38:31.200 --> 01:38:35.200]  and at the same time a group down in the south
[01:38:35.200 --> 01:38:38.200]  I'm not sure if it's Mississippi or Texas
[01:38:38.200 --> 01:38:40.200]  somewhere down in that area
[01:38:40.200 --> 01:38:42.200]  has filed an action in court
[01:38:42.200 --> 01:38:45.200]  challenging the constitutionality
[01:38:45.200 --> 01:38:49.200]  of the CFPB because it's headed by one man
[01:38:49.200 --> 01:38:52.200]  never mind in fact the CFPB
[01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:55.200]  is a part of the FTC
[01:38:55.200 --> 01:38:59.200]  okay can you extrapolate on those acronyms
[01:38:59.200 --> 01:39:03.200]  CFPB or CFPB is
[01:39:03.200 --> 01:39:06.200]  a consumer financial protection bureau
[01:39:06.200 --> 01:39:09.200]  set up by the Dodd-Frank Act
[01:39:09.200 --> 01:39:13.200]  and its purpose was basically to go after
[01:39:13.200 --> 01:39:18.200]  bad creditors and bad debt collectors
[01:39:18.200 --> 01:39:21.200]  and the ones that are not obeying the law
[01:39:21.200 --> 01:39:24.200]  and those fines
[01:39:24.200 --> 01:39:27.200]  they've been extracting are substantial
[01:39:27.200 --> 01:39:30.200]  they barely amount to a day's income
[01:39:30.200 --> 01:39:34.200]  so they haven't really been that substantial
[01:39:34.200 --> 01:39:38.200]  but up until recently
[01:39:38.200 --> 01:39:42.200]  nobody had been filing any criminal
[01:39:42.200 --> 01:39:46.200]  complaints over to the Justice Department for prosecution
[01:39:46.200 --> 01:39:49.200]  until the CFPB did this one
[01:39:49.200 --> 01:39:52.200]  for a group up in New York
[01:39:52.200 --> 01:39:55.200]  and as I said they just got a conviction
[01:39:55.200 --> 01:39:57.200]  the guy was sentenced to nine years
[01:39:57.200 --> 01:40:00.200]  two or three million dollars something like that
[01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:02.200]  wow
[01:40:02.200 --> 01:40:06.200]  so we might want to be
[01:40:06.200 --> 01:40:09.200]  preparing criminal charges
[01:40:09.200 --> 01:40:12.200]  essentially as a matter of course
[01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:15.200]  do you know what the individual was
[01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:18.200]  convicted of?
[01:40:18.200 --> 01:40:21.200]  well they were running a scam
[01:40:21.200 --> 01:40:24.200]  of negotiating settlements
[01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:28.200]  and credit repair
[01:40:28.200 --> 01:40:32.200]  and interceding in foreclosures
[01:40:32.200 --> 01:40:35.200]  and they were not really doing anything
[01:40:35.200 --> 01:40:37.200]  they weren't doing a squat
[01:40:37.200 --> 01:40:39.200]  they were just collecting money
[01:40:39.200 --> 01:40:42.200]  was this a lawyer?
[01:40:42.200 --> 01:40:45.200]  no actually I don't believe he was
[01:40:45.200 --> 01:40:48.200]  he had lawyers working for him
[01:40:48.200 --> 01:40:51.200]  but I don't believe that he was
[01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:54.200]  if he was they didn't mention it
[01:40:54.200 --> 01:40:57.200]  and they usually will mention something like that
[01:40:57.200 --> 01:41:00.200]  so maybe we should start
[01:41:00.200 --> 01:41:03.200]  has any of them went after
[01:41:03.200 --> 01:41:06.200]  the debt collectors
[01:41:06.200 --> 01:41:09.200]  the lawyer, the foreclosure mills?
[01:41:09.200 --> 01:41:12.200]  as far as criminal referral is concerned
[01:41:12.200 --> 01:41:15.200]  no
[01:41:15.200 --> 01:41:18.200]  we may be able to get something started here in Texas
[01:41:18.200 --> 01:41:21.200]  this is what I would like to see start happening
[01:41:21.200 --> 01:41:24.200]  as in amongst the civil actions
[01:41:24.200 --> 01:41:27.200]  that they are filing against these debt collectors
[01:41:27.200 --> 01:41:30.200]  they also include civil
[01:41:30.200 --> 01:41:33.200]  RICO
[01:41:33.200 --> 01:41:36.200]  what I need
[01:41:36.200 --> 01:41:39.200]  what we need is kind of a
[01:41:39.200 --> 01:41:42.200]  fill in the blank RICO
[01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:45.200]  because RICO is I understand is really hard to establish
[01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:48.200]  no it's not possible
[01:41:48.200 --> 01:41:51.200]  it's right up there with
[01:41:51.200 --> 01:41:54.200]  broad
[01:41:54.200 --> 01:41:57.200]  as far as writing a RICO suit
[01:41:57.200 --> 01:42:00.200]  but even if it's difficult to write a RICO suit for this purpose
[01:42:00.200 --> 01:42:03.200]  since for the most part
[01:42:03.200 --> 01:42:06.200]  all these debt collectors are doing exactly the same thing
[01:42:06.200 --> 01:42:09.200]  we should be able to put together
[01:42:09.200 --> 01:42:12.200]  an essentially rubber stamp
[01:42:12.200 --> 01:42:15.200]  so
[01:42:15.200 --> 01:42:18.200]  to start bringing them into court on
[01:42:18.200 --> 01:42:21.200]  I had a judge here say
[01:42:21.200 --> 01:42:24.200]  that filing a RICO suit is like dropping an atomic bomb
[01:42:24.200 --> 01:42:27.200]  why?
[01:42:27.200 --> 01:42:30.200]  why?
[01:42:30.200 --> 01:42:33.200]  because you get to
[01:42:33.200 --> 01:42:36.200]  do civil discovery that you can then use
[01:42:36.200 --> 01:42:39.200]  for criminal prosecution
[01:42:39.200 --> 01:42:42.200]  I'll go you on just a little bit better
[01:42:42.200 --> 01:42:45.200]  if
[01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:48.200]  they prevail with the civil RICO
[01:42:48.200 --> 01:42:51.200]  the shop
[01:42:51.200 --> 01:42:54.200]  has to close
[01:42:54.200 --> 01:42:57.200]  oh
[01:42:57.200 --> 01:43:00.200]  that's interesting
[01:43:00.200 --> 01:43:03.200]  isn't it just
[01:43:03.200 --> 01:43:06.200]  so that would
[01:43:06.200 --> 01:43:09.200]  be like if we got a RICO
[01:43:09.200 --> 01:43:12.200]  on Barrett Dasen frappin and Kiss My Behind
[01:43:12.200 --> 01:43:15.200]  that's the biggest one here in Texas
[01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:18.200]  oh
[01:43:18.200 --> 01:43:21.200]  there's something like that
[01:43:21.200 --> 01:43:24.200]  I keep the too many
[01:43:24.200 --> 01:43:27.200]  but it would shut them all down that would be wonderful
[01:43:27.200 --> 01:43:30.200]  excuse me we have the Santiago
[01:43:30.200 --> 01:43:33.200]  Mackey decision here in Texas so that's
[01:43:33.200 --> 01:43:36.200]  he really opened the door
[01:43:36.200 --> 01:43:39.200]  for us to go after him
[01:43:39.200 --> 01:43:42.200]  no he didn't get his appeal
[01:43:42.200 --> 01:43:45.200]  he filed an appeal
[01:43:45.200 --> 01:43:48.200]  and didn't appeal that decision to the Supreme
[01:43:48.200 --> 01:43:51.200]  so that's plightable
[01:43:51.200 --> 01:43:54.200]  hang on Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens
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[01:46:24.200 --> 01:46:27.200]  we are here with Jeff from Maryland
[01:46:27.200 --> 01:46:30.200]  okay Jeff
[01:46:30.200 --> 01:46:33.200]  what is the likelihood now
[01:46:33.200 --> 01:46:36.200]  of somebody actually being able to win
[01:46:36.200 --> 01:46:39.200]  a foreclosure suit
[01:46:39.200 --> 01:46:42.200]  rather than just hold off the banks
[01:46:42.200 --> 01:46:45.200]  for the next
[01:46:45.200 --> 01:46:48.200]  well I know of one particular
[01:46:48.200 --> 01:46:51.200]  chat between the months of January
[01:46:51.200 --> 01:46:54.200]  and May of this year
[01:46:54.200 --> 01:46:57.200]  1-3
[01:46:57.200 --> 01:47:00.200]  is that one of the ones
[01:47:00.200 --> 01:47:03.200]  where the judge ruled
[01:47:03.200 --> 01:47:06.200]  that he got the house
[01:47:06.200 --> 01:47:09.200]  for free and that the judge was going to go
[01:47:09.200 --> 01:47:12.200]  rinse his mouth out to get the bad taste out of his mouth
[01:47:12.200 --> 01:47:15.200]  well that sounds like the New Jersey
[01:47:15.200 --> 01:47:18.200]  decision
[01:47:18.200 --> 01:47:21.200]  are you from here with the details on that one
[01:47:21.200 --> 01:47:24.200]  yeah I'm not
[01:47:24.200 --> 01:47:27.200]  but that sounds like the New Jersey case that just occurred
[01:47:27.200 --> 01:47:30.200]  yeah it was fairly recent and I was
[01:47:30.200 --> 01:47:33.200]  kind of concerned about
[01:47:33.200 --> 01:47:36.200]  the comment on the part of the judge
[01:47:36.200 --> 01:47:39.200]  well again that's the moral decision
[01:47:39.200 --> 01:47:42.200]  yeah that sounded
[01:47:42.200 --> 01:47:45.200]  wholly inappropriate
[01:47:45.200 --> 01:47:48.200]  now in this
[01:47:48.200 --> 01:47:51.200]  particular individual's case it was one voluntary dismissal
[01:47:51.200 --> 01:47:54.200]  and two involuntary dismissals
[01:47:54.200 --> 01:47:57.200]  and once they had dismissed
[01:47:57.200 --> 01:48:00.200]  they were outside the statute of limitations
[01:48:00.200 --> 01:48:03.200]  can't come back
[01:48:03.200 --> 01:48:06.200]  oh that's great because we have
[01:48:06.200 --> 01:48:09.200]  I have two or three people now
[01:48:09.200 --> 01:48:12.200]  who are trying to get the instant
[01:48:12.200 --> 01:48:15.200]  foreclosure dismissed because if they can
[01:48:15.200 --> 01:48:18.200]  then they're outside the statute
[01:48:18.200 --> 01:48:21.200]  so that's good they're upholding that
[01:48:21.200 --> 01:48:24.200]  and you know
[01:48:24.200 --> 01:48:27.200]  that's the issue that he's winning on
[01:48:27.200 --> 01:48:30.200]  is they're outside the statute
[01:48:30.200 --> 01:48:33.200]  now that he's destroyed the claim he's going to go do
[01:48:33.200 --> 01:48:36.200]  a quiet title
[01:48:36.200 --> 01:48:39.200]  was it? yeah
[01:48:39.200 --> 01:48:42.200]  and that's pretty much
[01:48:42.200 --> 01:48:45.200]  what we've been doing is quiet title and trespass to try
[01:48:45.200 --> 01:48:48.200]  title and just for the security
[01:48:48.200 --> 01:48:51.200]  instrument and most of them
[01:48:51.200 --> 01:48:54.200]  the vast majority of the problems I find
[01:48:54.200 --> 01:48:57.200]  are the assignments of the
[01:48:57.200 --> 01:49:00.200]  security instrument after the lender dies
[01:49:03.200 --> 01:49:06.200]  but every one of them I find
[01:49:06.200 --> 01:49:09.200]  are essentially failure is every time I look through the public record
[01:49:09.200 --> 01:49:12.200]  everybody should dig
[01:49:12.200 --> 01:49:15.200]  in the public record can I make a research
[01:49:15.200 --> 01:49:18.200]  suggestion to you? yes
[01:49:18.200 --> 01:49:21.200]  go to
[01:49:21.200 --> 01:49:24.200]  Amdur 2D
[01:49:24.200 --> 01:49:27.200]  and look up Ejectment
[01:49:27.200 --> 01:49:30.200]  Ejectment
[01:49:30.200 --> 01:49:33.200]  now the dissertation
[01:49:33.200 --> 01:49:36.200]  is about 30 pages long and
[01:49:36.200 --> 01:49:39.200]  if you don't get beyond half of that
[01:49:39.200 --> 01:49:42.200]  you'll never get to the important part
[01:49:42.200 --> 01:49:45.200]  because the first half of that
[01:49:45.200 --> 01:49:48.200]  is about ejecting the tenants
[01:49:48.200 --> 01:49:51.200]  and the second half
[01:49:51.200 --> 01:49:54.200]  is ejecting from title
[01:49:54.200 --> 01:49:57.200]  oh
[01:50:02.200 --> 01:50:05.200]  ejecting from title
[01:50:05.200 --> 01:50:08.200]  that sounds like fun
[01:50:08.200 --> 01:50:11.200]  but that's exactly what we want to do
[01:50:11.200 --> 01:50:14.200]  right but that's something to research
[01:50:14.200 --> 01:50:17.200]  I haven't done it
[01:50:17.200 --> 01:50:20.200]  I started reading about it
[01:50:20.200 --> 01:50:22.200]  but I was nowhere near
[01:50:22.200 --> 01:50:25.200]  far along in my studies
[01:50:25.200 --> 01:50:28.200]  as I am now and
[01:50:28.200 --> 01:50:31.200]  so it didn't make a lot of sense to me
[01:50:31.200 --> 01:50:34.200]  at the time
[01:50:34.200 --> 01:50:37.200]  and I just have not had the time to go back and read it
[01:50:37.200 --> 01:50:40.200]  well good I'll do some research on
[01:50:40.200 --> 01:50:43.200]  ejectment from title
[01:50:43.200 --> 01:50:46.200]  I don't have Amdur 2D
[01:50:46.200 --> 01:50:49.200]  there may be some real avenues in there for you
[01:50:49.200 --> 01:50:52.200]  the more I can get the better
[01:50:52.200 --> 01:50:55.200]  I am moving forward
[01:50:55.200 --> 01:50:58.200]  with my electronic lawyer
[01:50:58.200 --> 01:51:01.200]  and I want to be on one for the foreclosure issue
[01:51:01.200 --> 01:51:04.200]  we'll get this done right
[01:51:04.200 --> 01:51:07.200]  there are so many decisions that would have to be made in that
[01:51:07.200 --> 01:51:10.200]  if not this
[01:51:10.200 --> 01:51:13.200]  then that
[01:51:13.200 --> 01:51:16.200]  it's not that difficult
[01:51:16.200 --> 01:51:19.200]  if you have an issue one time you have it addressed
[01:51:19.200 --> 01:51:22.200]  and I have mine almost finished
[01:51:22.200 --> 01:51:25.200]  for criminal and it actually came together
[01:51:25.200 --> 01:51:28.200]  a lot easier than I expected
[01:51:28.200 --> 01:51:31.200]  once you start mapping
[01:51:31.200 --> 01:51:34.200]  these issues out
[01:51:34.200 --> 01:51:37.200]  and you get one done like
[01:51:37.200 --> 01:51:40.200]  in the criminal Frank's hearing
[01:51:40.200 --> 01:51:43.200]  we've talked about that several times on the air
[01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:46.200]  and I put together the questionnaire
[01:51:46.200 --> 01:51:49.200]  I looked at the questions and I said okay
[01:51:49.200 --> 01:51:52.200]  were you arrested yes, were you arrested on existing warrant
[01:51:52.200 --> 01:51:55.200]  yes, you have reason to believe that the officer
[01:51:55.200 --> 01:51:58.200]  testified for the magistrate to secure the warrant
[01:51:58.200 --> 01:52:01.200]  misrepresented the truth to the magistrate
[01:52:01.200 --> 01:52:04.200]  if the client answers yes it veers off creates a
[01:52:04.200 --> 01:52:07.200]  Frank's hearing comes back
[01:52:07.200 --> 01:52:10.200]  keeps going it never ever forgets to do that
[01:52:10.200 --> 01:52:13.200]  never ever have to mess with it again once we got it done
[01:52:13.200 --> 01:52:16.200]  the system will create it
[01:52:16.200 --> 01:52:19.200]  it'll actually write the Frank's hearing spit the thing out
[01:52:19.200 --> 01:52:22.200]  we just walk down through the issues
[01:52:22.200 --> 01:52:25.200]  first pass we'll have to put in a lot of issues
[01:52:25.200 --> 01:52:28.200]  but once we have them in there
[01:52:28.200 --> 01:52:31.200]  then the only thing we have to do is when
[01:52:31.200 --> 01:52:34.200]  new case law comes up we open the map we can see right where to put it
[01:52:34.200 --> 01:52:37.200]  or a new argument comes up
[01:52:37.200 --> 01:52:40.200]  we can look right at the map and see right where it goes
[01:52:40.200 --> 01:52:43.200]  and once we stuck it in there
[01:52:43.200 --> 01:52:46.200]  it's always there
[01:52:46.200 --> 01:52:49.200]  we never miss it it will make
[01:52:49.200 --> 01:52:52.200]  the process
[01:52:52.200 --> 01:52:55.200]  very very consistent
[01:52:55.200 --> 01:52:58.200]  the biggest problem I have with legal research
[01:52:58.200 --> 01:53:01.200]  and I just talked to a lawyer yesterday
[01:53:01.200 --> 01:53:04.200]  we were in a meeting with him and we talked about this
[01:53:04.200 --> 01:53:07.200]  and he agreed 100%
[01:53:07.200 --> 01:53:10.200]  no matter how much research he did
[01:53:10.200 --> 01:53:13.200]  on a particular topic
[01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:16.200]  he was always certain when he got
[01:53:16.200 --> 01:53:19.200]  in court that
[01:53:19.200 --> 01:53:22.200]  Jack Leg on the other side is going to bring some
[01:53:22.200 --> 01:53:25.200]  and clobber me
[01:53:25.200 --> 01:53:28.200]  they always have that terror
[01:53:28.200 --> 01:53:31.200]  so building this questionnaire
[01:53:31.200 --> 01:53:34.200]  each question
[01:53:34.200 --> 01:53:37.200]  goes to a legal element
[01:53:37.200 --> 01:53:40.200]  and we have it mapped out
[01:53:40.200 --> 01:53:43.200]  so you can see it visually
[01:53:43.200 --> 01:53:46.200]  and for each element we have a folder
[01:53:46.200 --> 01:53:49.200]  if you have case law that addresses this element
[01:53:49.200 --> 01:53:52.200]  you drop it in that folder
[01:53:52.200 --> 01:53:55.200]  so when you get to
[01:53:55.200 --> 01:53:58.200]  a particular element you've got all your work right there
[01:53:58.200 --> 01:54:01.200]  specific to that point it will make
[01:54:01.200 --> 01:54:04.200]  research much quicker
[01:54:04.200 --> 01:54:07.200]  and very very consistent
[01:54:07.200 --> 01:54:10.200]  okay
[01:54:10.200 --> 01:54:13.200]  and the thing that you sort of had to be careful of
[01:54:13.200 --> 01:54:16.200]  is that even elements
[01:54:16.200 --> 01:54:19.200]  have elements
[01:54:19.200 --> 01:54:22.200]  oh yeah and that's part of them
[01:54:22.200 --> 01:54:25.200]  the idea of this we
[01:54:25.200 --> 01:54:28.200]  have an expert's expertise
[01:54:28.200 --> 01:54:31.200]  and we have it visually
[01:54:31.200 --> 01:54:34.200]  physically where you can look at it
[01:54:34.200 --> 01:54:37.200]  and then we have another expert look at it and say
[01:54:37.200 --> 01:54:40.200]  what we miss
[01:54:40.200 --> 01:54:43.200]  what question or issue would you address that we didn't
[01:54:43.200 --> 01:54:46.200]  and then they can go in there and insert it in
[01:54:46.200 --> 01:54:49.200]  now we've captured his expertise
[01:54:49.200 --> 01:54:52.200]  and when the law changes we go in and make our adjustments
[01:54:52.200 --> 01:54:55.200]  90% of the work this will do
[01:54:55.200 --> 01:54:58.200]  and the main thing it will do is keep us from missing something
[01:54:58.200 --> 01:55:01.200]  yeah
[01:55:01.200 --> 01:55:04.200]  it's
[01:55:04.200 --> 01:55:07.200]  there's another thing that you have to be careful of also
[01:55:07.200 --> 01:55:10.200]  is that frequently
[01:55:10.200 --> 01:55:13.200]  misquoted or misused case law
[01:55:13.200 --> 01:55:16.200]  that is a big deal
[01:55:16.200 --> 01:55:19.200]  the Gallerizzo case being one in particular
[01:55:19.200 --> 01:55:23.200]  Gallerizzo out of the
[01:55:23.200 --> 01:55:26.200]  I'm not sure
[01:55:26.200 --> 01:55:29.200]  I think it's out of the fourth circuit
[01:55:29.200 --> 01:55:32.200]  having to do with
[01:55:32.200 --> 01:55:35.200]  the validation of the debt
[01:55:35.200 --> 01:55:39.200]  I'm not familiar with the case
[01:55:39.200 --> 01:55:42.200]  okay
[01:55:42.200 --> 01:55:45.200]  well there's been a number of different decisions
[01:55:45.200 --> 01:55:48.200]  out of different circuits
[01:55:48.200 --> 01:55:51.200]  and what it takes to validate
[01:55:51.200 --> 01:55:54.200]  and I think the
[01:55:54.200 --> 01:55:57.200]  perhaps the best is one that came out of the sixth circuit
[01:55:57.200 --> 01:56:00.200]  but the one that everybody wants to quote
[01:56:00.200 --> 01:56:03.200]  is the Gallerizzo case out of the
[01:56:03.200 --> 01:56:06.200]  I think it's the fourth
[01:56:06.200 --> 01:56:09.200]  and which the court said that they only had to provide
[01:56:09.200 --> 01:56:12.200]  the name address and phone number of the creditor
[01:56:12.200 --> 01:56:15.200]  but
[01:56:15.200 --> 01:56:18.200]  at the end of court and they don't discuss in that
[01:56:18.200 --> 01:56:21.200]  citation is that it was
[01:56:21.200 --> 01:56:24.200]  over an attorney sees
[01:56:24.200 --> 01:56:27.200]  not a debt collector
[01:56:27.200 --> 01:56:30.200]  oh
[01:56:30.200 --> 01:56:33.200]  so the attorney
[01:56:33.200 --> 01:56:36.200]  is already established as
[01:56:36.200 --> 01:56:39.200]  who he is so he doesn't have to prove up his position
[01:56:39.200 --> 01:56:42.200]  in order to
[01:56:42.200 --> 01:56:45.200]  okay I just I see and this is a real common problem
[01:56:45.200 --> 01:56:48.200]  had a friend been drum
[01:56:48.200 --> 01:56:51.200]  that was getting clobbered in an IRS case so I'm trying to
[01:56:51.200 --> 01:56:54.200]  remove a tax lien
[01:56:54.200 --> 01:56:57.200]  and we told him if the other side gives you case law read it
[01:56:57.200 --> 01:57:00.200]  he read this case the IRS
[01:57:00.200 --> 01:57:03.200]  quoted to the court and the section
[01:57:03.200 --> 01:57:06.200]  they highlighted was a section where the case said
[01:57:06.200 --> 01:57:09.200]  it used to be
[01:57:09.200 --> 01:57:12.200]  stated this way
[01:57:12.200 --> 01:57:15.200]  but that's no longer valid now we stated this way
[01:57:15.200 --> 01:57:18.200]  so Ben took their case
[01:57:18.200 --> 01:57:21.200]  turned it around used it against him
[01:57:21.200 --> 01:57:24.200]  and got his tax liens removed
[01:57:24.200 --> 01:57:27.200]  but another judge put him back the next month
[01:57:27.200 --> 01:57:30.200]  but these guys
[01:57:30.200 --> 01:57:33.200]  did a did a did a Internet search
[01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:36.200]  most likely or a or a Lexus or Westlaw search
[01:57:36.200 --> 01:57:39.200]  and they got a hit on this phrase
[01:57:39.200 --> 01:57:42.200]  and it was exactly what they wanted
[01:57:42.200 --> 01:57:45.200]  and they just took the phrase and dropped it in their pleading
[01:57:45.200 --> 01:57:48.200]  and didn't leave the old case
[01:57:48.200 --> 01:57:51.200]  we have a case in Texas
[01:57:51.200 --> 01:57:54.200]  on traffic
[01:57:54.200 --> 01:57:57.200]  that's quoted everywhere it's guns always be something
[01:57:57.200 --> 01:58:00.200]  and he Craig read it
[01:58:00.200 --> 01:58:03.200]  and it was nothing about traffic
[01:58:03.200 --> 01:58:06.200]  even the state supreme
[01:58:06.200 --> 01:58:09.200]  cited this case
[01:58:09.200 --> 01:58:12.200]  and nobody apparently ever read it
[01:58:12.200 --> 01:58:15.200]  somebody probably cited it by mistake
[01:58:15.200 --> 01:58:18.200]  and nobody checked it
[01:58:18.200 --> 01:58:21.200]  always read the case
[01:58:21.200 --> 01:58:24.200]  thank you Jeff
[01:58:24.200 --> 01:58:27.200]  I'm going to let along
[01:58:27.200 --> 01:58:30.200]  I wish you that
[01:58:30.200 --> 01:58:33.200]  okay that's good we are out of time
[01:58:33.200 --> 01:58:36.200]  thank you all for listening
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