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[00:51.920 --> 00:55.120]  On the eve of the 13th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks,
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[01:16.880 --> 01:20.000]  Protesters with the Justice for Michael Brown Leadership Coalition
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[01:25.440 --> 01:28.880]  The act of civil disobedience was done to ensure Ferguson is not forgotten.
[01:28.880 --> 01:33.600]  The organizers said several arrests were made as a heavy police presence arrived.
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[04:54.400 --> 05:11.920]  Howdy, howdy.
[05:11.920 --> 05:20.040]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio on this Thursday, September the
[05:20.040 --> 05:23.040]  11th, 2014.
[05:23.040 --> 05:32.080]  And on this particular day, which is the 13th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, we're going
[05:32.080 --> 05:37.160]  to have a very special guest, but I'm going to let Deborah introduce our guest as we're
[05:37.160 --> 05:39.160]  also going to have Deborah with us today.
[05:39.160 --> 05:40.160]  Deborah?
[05:40.160 --> 05:41.160]  Yes.
[05:41.160 --> 05:42.320]  Thanks, Randy.
[05:42.320 --> 05:47.200]  And folks, yes, on this 13th anniversary of 9-11, we wanted to spend part of the show
[05:47.200 --> 05:53.800]  tonight talking about 9-11, the fact that the official story is a complete and total
[05:53.800 --> 05:55.080]  fraud.
[05:55.080 --> 05:59.280]  And we have a special guest here, and also we're going to talk about what can be done
[05:59.280 --> 06:04.360]  about it and what either has or has not been done about it since then.
[06:04.360 --> 06:10.440]  And so tonight, our guest is a friend of mine I've known for a number of years now, working
[06:10.440 --> 06:14.760]  in the 9-11 truth movement.
[06:14.760 --> 06:18.960]  His name is Ronald F. Avery.
[06:18.960 --> 06:22.920]  He's a licensed architect here in Texas and an interior designer.
[06:22.920 --> 06:28.720]  He ran for the U.S. House of Representatives for the 28th District in 2006.
[06:28.720 --> 06:34.760]  He also ran for State Representative for District 44 here in Texas in 2010.
[06:34.760 --> 06:38.240]  He has been a Campaign for Liberty organizer.
[06:38.240 --> 06:41.080]  He's supported the Ron Paul campaign.
[06:41.080 --> 06:47.120]  And he is also a signator on the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth petition to Congress
[06:47.120 --> 06:49.160]  demanding a new investigation.
[06:49.160 --> 06:54.680]  So I really appreciate our good friend Ron Avery here being with us.
[06:54.680 --> 06:57.200]  And Ron, thank you and welcome to the show tonight.
[06:57.200 --> 06:59.240]  Well, thank you, Deborah.
[06:59.240 --> 07:01.400]  It's a pleasure to be on.
[07:01.400 --> 07:02.400]  Yes.
[07:02.400 --> 07:04.920]  I've worked with Ron in the past on some events.
[07:04.920 --> 07:14.120]  There was an event back in 2010 where he basically was one of the keynote speakers at an Architects
[07:14.120 --> 07:18.120]  and Engineers for 9-11 Truth event here in Austin.
[07:18.120 --> 07:19.480]  Alex Jones was there.
[07:19.480 --> 07:22.520]  Some other people of note were there.
[07:22.520 --> 07:25.320]  Dr. Bowman was there.
[07:25.320 --> 07:26.640]  Derek Johnson was there.
[07:26.640 --> 07:32.760]  He gave a very impressive presentation from a perspective of someone who is a foundry
[07:32.760 --> 07:33.760]  expert.
[07:33.760 --> 07:39.600]  And that really struck me concerning the multi-metal that was underneath the buildings for months,
[07:39.600 --> 07:50.560]  which doesn't happen without some serious anaerobic chemical reactions.
[07:50.560 --> 07:54.120]  There was obviously some stuff going on there that wasn't fires.
[07:54.120 --> 08:00.120]  And so anyways, Mr. Avery here, Ron Avery gave a really incredible presentation.
[08:00.120 --> 08:08.080]  He's got some models that he constructed to show us basically from an architect's perspective
[08:08.080 --> 08:13.680]  what was going on that day or what likely was going on, definitely what was not going
[08:13.680 --> 08:16.100]  on that day, what the government says.
[08:16.100 --> 08:21.160]  So Ron, I wanted to ask you just to start off with, so our listeners, just to give an
[08:21.160 --> 08:26.320]  introduction to our listeners who may not know who you are, we've had a lot of new listeners
[08:26.320 --> 08:28.320]  come on board the last few years.
[08:28.320 --> 08:36.500]  Can you please tell us how did you get into exposing the 9-11 fraud, the government official
[08:36.500 --> 08:40.800]  conspiracy theory, as I like to call it, from the perspective of an architect?
[08:40.800 --> 08:42.900]  How did you wake up?
[08:42.900 --> 08:49.120]  How did you come to realize that, wait a minute, something here just isn't quite right?
[08:49.120 --> 08:53.160]  Did you realize this right away the same day?
[08:53.160 --> 08:57.440]  Or did it take a while for it to sink in and come to the conclusion?
[08:57.440 --> 09:02.760]  Give us a little bit of your history on how you got into this and when and how did you
[09:02.760 --> 09:05.560]  realize that something wasn't right here.
[09:05.560 --> 09:06.560]  Sure.
[09:06.560 --> 09:12.480]  Well, before I do that, I want to mention that we're all getting older.
[09:12.480 --> 09:19.660]  This is the 13th anniversary and some of the people that have been investigating this event
[09:19.660 --> 09:25.560]  on 9-11 have actually died now.
[09:25.560 --> 09:32.400]  As you said, Bob Bowman, who was the head of the Star Wars project, he passed away last
[09:32.400 --> 09:36.440]  year, I believe, and Al Hayes was another speaker.
[09:36.440 --> 09:38.200]  He was a good friend of mine.
[09:38.200 --> 09:46.500]  He had a PhD in environmental engineering and he spoke at the news conference we held
[09:46.500 --> 09:57.380]  in Austin telling the people that we had over 1,000 signatures on the petition for a reinvestigation
[09:57.380 --> 10:01.160]  of the demolition of the World Trade Center.
[10:01.160 --> 10:08.800]  So that's two out of the six speakers that have passed away since 2010.
[10:08.800 --> 10:15.400]  And anyway, and I'm no spring chicken either, but hopefully I got a few more years to talk
[10:15.400 --> 10:16.680]  about this.
[10:16.680 --> 10:26.880]  Now, how I got into it originally on the 9-11, exposing what happened on 9-11, didn't take
[10:26.880 --> 10:35.560]  very long because I was already involved in many things that the government was doing,
[10:35.560 --> 10:42.120]  the federal government particularly, that was unconstitutional and unlawful and I'd
[10:42.120 --> 10:51.800]  already had some speakers appear at my place of business, which I call the UNBAR in McQueenie,
[10:51.800 --> 10:58.600]  and I also call it the epicenter of citizen sovereignty in Texas.
[10:58.600 --> 11:08.960]  So anyway, when I first heard that the first tower fell in New York, the first twin tower,
[11:08.960 --> 11:19.320]  the North Tower collapsed, already there were some people that were predicting that a police
[11:19.320 --> 11:24.880]  state would be established in the United States by the year 2000.
[11:24.880 --> 11:35.000]  And so the predictors, if you will, were a year late because they needed an event to
[11:35.000 --> 11:41.040]  install the police state and do what they wanted to do, they needed an event.
[11:41.040 --> 11:48.560]  So the event to establish all that didn't really occur until 2001, which was obviously
[11:48.560 --> 11:52.880]  the 9-11 so-called terrorist attack.
[11:52.880 --> 12:00.920]  I like to call it a tyranny, a good old-fashioned tyranny attack is what it really was.
[12:00.920 --> 12:11.000]  And so anyway, I didn't know how it was done and I watched PBS public presentations like
[12:11.000 --> 12:18.000]  everybody else and I went, oh, okay, well, maybe so, maybe no, really didn't know enough
[12:18.000 --> 12:23.400]  about the buildings really or any of it to really be able to say for sure.
[12:23.400 --> 12:32.400]  And I knew there was a, I could smell a rat almost immediately and then two towers falling
[12:32.400 --> 12:38.560]  identically through random jet crashes was a little bizarre.
[12:38.560 --> 12:47.080]  And then it was a whole year later after 2001 until I learned that there was a third skyscraper
[12:47.080 --> 12:51.560]  that fell at the World Trade Center that was 47 stories.
[12:51.560 --> 12:58.520]  It was almost half as tall as the Twin Towers and it also completely collapsed into a split
[12:58.520 --> 13:06.800]  print on 9-11 that afternoon and that's when I learned that Larry Silverstein had made
[13:06.800 --> 13:16.600]  a public statement on PBS that's been all over the internet where he, the PBS interviewer
[13:16.600 --> 13:23.880]  asked him what happened to Building 7 and he said, well, I remember getting a phone
[13:23.880 --> 13:32.680]  call from the fire department commander saying that they were not able to control the fires
[13:32.680 --> 13:41.760]  and I said, well, maybe the smartest thing to do is just, well, in due of the tremendous
[13:41.760 --> 13:47.680]  loss of life, maybe the best thing to do is just pull it, and they made that decision
[13:47.680 --> 13:51.840]  to pull and we watched the building collapse.
[13:51.840 --> 13:59.440]  So that was a very strange statement to make and I believe part of that was true and part
[13:59.440 --> 14:07.640]  of it was false, but anyway, that was what really did it for me, that's absolutely no
[14:07.640 --> 14:15.120]  way these three skyscrapers could totally collapse into their footprint with only two
[14:15.120 --> 14:20.640]  of them being struck with random jet collisions.
[14:20.640 --> 14:24.720]  So anyway, that's how I got into it and I've been into it ever since.
[14:24.720 --> 14:30.480]  So in fact, I opened a website and I'll give it to you, it's still active, it's called
[14:30.480 --> 14:36.720]  Post WTC, that means After World Trade Center dot com.
[14:36.720 --> 14:47.320]  I started that the very next day after 9-11, 2001, because I knew this was gonna be the
[14:47.320 --> 14:56.400]  watershed event and that there was gonna be bad news, but anyway, I also have another
[14:56.400 --> 15:08.760]  website called 9-11 UC dot org, and that means 9-11 Undeniable Conspiracy, and that's where
[15:08.760 --> 15:17.880]  I present the evidence through a two-hour video, which you can also see on YouTube now.
[15:17.880 --> 15:24.680]  Just go to YouTube and search 9-11 Undeniable Conspiracy and you'll find it, it's in two
[15:24.680 --> 15:28.240]  parts, parts one and two.
[15:28.240 --> 15:34.320]  Parts one is on the World Trade Center, part two is on the Pentagon and Shanksville, it's
[15:34.320 --> 15:35.800]  two hours.
[15:35.800 --> 15:43.200]  And then on the website, we ask questions and you fill them out and think about them.
[15:43.200 --> 15:50.240]  We kind of make you into a juror that's listening to evidence and deciding whether or not it
[15:50.240 --> 15:56.600]  was, the event was a true conspiracy or not.
[15:56.600 --> 16:04.640]  So anyway, also I wanted to tell the listeners that we're showing a brand new video, a movie
[16:04.640 --> 16:10.840]  that's been produced by, I haven't seen it myself yet either, but I would think it's
[16:10.840 --> 16:12.900]  gonna be pretty good.
[16:12.900 --> 16:20.060]  It's called Anatomy of a Great Deception, and it's brand new and we'll be showing it
[16:20.060 --> 16:25.500]  at the Silver Eagle Taphouse in McQueenie at 8 o'clock p.m. on Saturday night, this
[16:25.500 --> 16:28.320]  coming Saturday night on the 13th.
[16:28.320 --> 16:36.240]  I think it's also being shown tonight at Brave New Bookstore, and so I can't wait to see
[16:36.240 --> 16:37.240]  it myself.
[16:37.240 --> 16:44.160]  And at the Taphouse, we'll also have available our models of the World Trade Center, which
[16:44.160 --> 16:51.280]  is about five feet high and four feet square, and we have a model of a segment of the Pentagon
[16:51.280 --> 16:53.440]  that was hit by the jet, supposedly.
[16:53.440 --> 16:54.440]  Excellent.
[16:54.440 --> 16:57.480]  All right, we're going to break and we will be right back, folks, with our guest, Ron
[16:57.480 --> 17:00.600]  Avery.
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[20:38.440 --> 20:45.320]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[20:45.320 --> 20:50.680]  This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on this Thursday, September
[20:50.680 --> 20:52.960]  11th of 2014.
[20:52.960 --> 20:59.460]  We are speaking with our guest Ron Avery, architect here in Texas, friend of ours.
[20:59.460 --> 21:05.320]  We have worked with him in the past many times on various different events and also had him
[21:05.320 --> 21:06.960]  on our radio show.
[21:06.960 --> 21:12.080]  He's been on the Alex Jones show, so we're very happy to have him on tonight to discuss
[21:12.080 --> 21:13.480]  these issues relating to 9-11.
[21:13.480 --> 21:15.080]  We're going to have a jam-packed show tonight.
[21:15.080 --> 21:16.960]  He's going to be with us the whole time.
[21:16.960 --> 21:22.120]  And so, all right, so Ron, you've plugged some events, you've plugged some websites,
[21:22.120 --> 21:26.280]  and now if you have other plugs, that's fine, you can do that.
[21:26.280 --> 21:36.920]  I wanted to also get into a little bit more about how you woke up and got into the architecture,
[21:36.920 --> 21:39.760]  the lies concerning 9-11.
[21:39.760 --> 21:44.800]  You were saying a little while ago at first, you know, you kind of smelled a rat right
[21:44.800 --> 21:48.760]  at the beginning, but you weren't exactly sure how bad it was because you didn't know
[21:48.760 --> 21:50.760]  the architecture of the building.
[21:50.760 --> 21:55.620]  But then once you found out about building 7 a year later, you were like, oh, come on,
[21:55.620 --> 21:59.200]  you knew that something had to be really wrong.
[21:59.200 --> 22:02.040]  And so that prompted you to dig deeper.
[22:02.040 --> 22:06.600]  So you were saying on the break you did find out about the architecture of the World Trade
[22:06.600 --> 22:07.960]  Center, the two towers.
[22:07.960 --> 22:12.880]  So why don't you tell us a little bit more about what prompted you to dig into this more
[22:12.880 --> 22:18.880]  and how did you get the architectural plans of the building and this sort of thing.
[22:18.880 --> 22:22.800]  And just tell us about your path of your analysis.
[22:22.800 --> 22:26.460]  I think this is really important for the listeners to hear because, you know, a lot of people
[22:26.460 --> 22:31.240]  can look at the way those buildings fell and they're like, come on, obviously there is
[22:31.240 --> 22:35.900]  no way that a plane hitting the building is going to cause it to come down.
[22:35.900 --> 22:41.240]  And certainly there's no way that office fires are going to cause, you know, 110 story buildings
[22:41.240 --> 22:42.960]  to collapse at freefall speed.
[22:42.960 --> 22:44.920]  I mean, we can all see that.
[22:44.920 --> 22:47.120]  Anybody with any common sense can see that.
[22:47.120 --> 22:49.160]  But from an architectural perspective...
[22:49.160 --> 22:51.160]  Can I jump in now?
[22:51.160 --> 22:52.640]  Yes, go ahead.
[22:52.640 --> 22:55.160]  I think I know where you're going with that.
[22:55.160 --> 23:00.920]  But let me say that it's not as evident as you might think.
[23:00.920 --> 23:08.720]  And I think that's why this has been a rather effective event to do what, to accomplish
[23:08.720 --> 23:10.920]  what they wanted to do.
[23:10.920 --> 23:18.000]  The people that actually brought it down actually accomplished what they wanted to accomplish
[23:18.000 --> 23:29.080]  because it isn't immediately evident that it was done with nanothermite explosives that
[23:29.080 --> 23:40.680]  were newly developed at two military, US military laboratories, Los Alamos and Livermore Labs.
[23:40.680 --> 23:46.280]  This product was developed and patented in the year 2000.
[23:46.280 --> 23:56.320]  So it's sometimes called super nanothermite and it cuts through iron and steel like butter.
[23:56.320 --> 24:04.240]  And so, or makes the iron and steel beams and columns turn to butter.
[24:04.240 --> 24:14.440]  And this product was found in this incendiary, was found in all dust samples that were taken
[24:14.440 --> 24:16.520]  from the World Trade Center.
[24:16.520 --> 24:23.760]  And some of these particles of nanothermite found were still active.
[24:23.760 --> 24:32.560]  I mean, you could still ignite them with a blowtorch and they would explode further.
[24:32.560 --> 24:40.240]  And so, but we didn't, nobody knew that the first year after 9-11.
[24:40.240 --> 24:49.120]  And even as an architect, it was difficult for me to say, oh yeah, that was a controlled
[24:49.120 --> 24:51.440]  demolition, the Twin Towers.
[24:51.440 --> 25:01.760]  In fact, it really wasn't a controlled demolition, yes, but not a classic controlled demolition.
[25:01.760 --> 25:08.800]  It was a non-classical explosive, rather explosive, still controlled demolition.
[25:08.800 --> 25:16.440]  In other words, there were explosive things coming out of the building as opposed to building
[25:16.440 --> 25:24.560]  seven of the World Trade Center, which is still called a classical controlled demolition
[25:24.560 --> 25:26.960]  where it was more implosive.
[25:26.960 --> 25:32.200]  It collapsed into its footprint, it didn't blow things outside the perimeter of the building
[25:32.200 --> 25:42.320]  so much, even though there was some of it, which is true with all classic demolitions.
[25:42.320 --> 25:48.480]  But I didn't know about building seven until a whole year later, and most people didn't
[25:48.480 --> 25:49.480]  either.
[25:49.480 --> 25:55.840]  I still, as of the latest two years ago, I met people that didn't know about building
[25:55.840 --> 25:56.840]  seven.
[25:56.840 --> 26:04.040]  And I would suggest that there are still people that are unaware of the third skyscraper,
[26:04.040 --> 26:12.760]  a 47-story building that collapsed and was not hit by a plane, jet or anything, and only
[26:12.760 --> 26:24.040]  had a few small office fires, and it totally collapsed in a global manner all the way down.
[26:24.040 --> 26:31.200]  And part of it, at least through four floors at freefall acceleration, which absolutely
[26:31.200 --> 26:39.960]  requires the use of controlled explosions initiated at the same time to remove all the
[26:39.960 --> 26:47.320]  columns and beams to fall without any resistance at all.
[26:47.320 --> 26:50.380]  But we didn't know that immediately, and I didn't know it.
[26:50.380 --> 26:57.200]  Even as an architect, I wasn't willing to say, oh yeah, that was an inside job.
[26:57.200 --> 27:01.920]  They went in there and planted explosives and did all that.
[27:01.920 --> 27:07.600]  I mean, after all, I did see two jets hit it, and how do I know?
[27:07.600 --> 27:10.900]  I don't know how those buildings were built.
[27:10.900 --> 27:15.080]  Maybe it was, as they said, a hollow tube.
[27:15.080 --> 27:23.120]  And once they ran and the jets smashed in the exterior columns on a good portion of
[27:23.120 --> 27:31.600]  one side and part of the other side, maybe it was enough to initiate a collapse, and
[27:31.600 --> 27:39.560]  then the upper stories were able to have enough momentum and force to begin to collapse other
[27:39.560 --> 27:42.360]  floors beneath it until it went all the way down.
[27:42.360 --> 27:51.700]  I mean, I really didn't know enough about it to say that that's really not what happened.
[27:51.700 --> 27:54.080]  So I was like everybody else.
[27:54.080 --> 28:02.680]  I mean, I had to just take the word of the news media for it and the so-called experts
[28:02.680 --> 28:12.240]  that were working on it, like NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology.
[28:12.240 --> 28:16.560]  And so, you know, we just went with it.
[28:16.560 --> 28:25.480]  Now it wasn't until the year afterwards that there was a PBS documentary made.
[28:25.480 --> 28:26.480]  What did they call that?
[28:26.480 --> 28:35.900]  I think it was, yeah, I forgot the name, something like Ground Zero or One Year After or something
[28:35.900 --> 28:37.240]  like that.
[28:37.240 --> 28:43.920]  And that's when Larry Silverstein, that's when I saw Larry Silverstein, the guy that
[28:43.920 --> 28:51.760]  purchased the lease on the World Trade Center six weeks before 9-11, he purchased it for
[28:51.760 --> 28:57.880]  $100 million, and he had a 100-year lease on it.
[28:57.880 --> 29:01.320]  That's what he purchased for $100 million.
[29:01.320 --> 29:14.400]  And he took out an insurance policy on it with a terrorism writer for $3.5 billion per
[29:14.400 --> 29:18.280]  incident of terrorism.
[29:18.280 --> 29:23.040]  And so he claimed that those two jets were actually two incidents.
[29:23.040 --> 29:32.400]  So he tried to obtain $7 billion in insurance afterwards.
[29:32.400 --> 29:39.660]  In his contract for leasing, he put in there that he had the right to rebuild the World
[29:39.660 --> 29:43.040]  Trade Center in case it was destroyed.
[29:43.040 --> 29:50.760]  So that was all kind of suspicious in finding that out, and especially his statement about
[29:50.760 --> 29:52.120]  pulling Bill 7.
[29:52.120 --> 29:53.120]  Exactly.
[29:53.120 --> 29:54.120]  All right.
[29:54.120 --> 29:55.120]  Listen, we're going to break.
[29:55.120 --> 29:56.120]  We'll continue on the other side.
[29:56.120 --> 30:01.480]  This is the Rule of Law here with our guest, Ron Avery.
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[31:39.400 --> 31:43.880]  However, 1,500 architects and engineers concluded it was a controlled demolition.
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[34:26.920 --> 34:28.400]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[34:28.400 --> 34:29.400]  This is the rule of law.
[34:29.400 --> 34:36.960]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on this September 11th, Thursday of 2014.
[34:36.960 --> 34:40.160]  We're here with our guest architect, Ron Avery.
[34:40.160 --> 34:47.720]  We're discussing how he woke up to, you know, the fraud of the official so-called story
[34:47.720 --> 34:52.400]  of 9-11 and from his perspective as an architect.
[34:52.400 --> 34:57.120]  And folks, the phones are off right now because we're speaking with our guest.
[34:57.120 --> 35:02.960]  But if you would like to call in and ask a question of our guest or make a comment, we'll
[35:02.960 --> 35:05.240]  be opening up the phones a little bit later on.
[35:05.240 --> 35:08.880]  So just hang in there, and I'll let you all know when we open up the phones.
[35:08.880 --> 35:15.440]  Okay, so Ron, you were getting into discussing, right, the fact that there were a lot of things
[35:15.440 --> 35:17.120]  we didn't know right away.
[35:17.120 --> 35:22.360]  I think a lot of people looked at the way those buildings came down like you and said
[35:22.360 --> 35:27.360]  hey, you know, something, they smelled a rat but didn't know quite what it was or quite
[35:27.360 --> 35:35.120]  how bad the situation really was, you know, just how big the lie was.
[35:35.120 --> 35:40.840]  So you're talking, you were about to get into, after you saw the interview and the pull it,
[35:40.840 --> 35:45.280]  Larry Silverstein talking about pulling it and all of that stuff, and you're like, okay,
[35:45.280 --> 35:46.280]  wait a minute.
[35:46.280 --> 35:48.680]  All right, obviously something's really wrong here.
[35:48.680 --> 35:54.800]  So you were going to talk about what were your next steps after that, and you were looking
[35:54.800 --> 36:00.600]  into obtaining the architectural designs for the building so you could do your own professional
[36:00.600 --> 36:01.600]  analysis.
[36:01.600 --> 36:03.680]  Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
[36:03.680 --> 36:04.680]  Okay.
[36:04.680 --> 36:09.560]  Well, I think that was a good summary.
[36:09.560 --> 36:16.760]  In other words, all I knew was the twin towers and that they fell and that I wasn't for sure,
[36:16.760 --> 36:26.040]  I wasn't able to be as bold to say no, those buildings had the explosive charges put in
[36:26.040 --> 36:27.040]  them.
[36:27.040 --> 36:36.160]  They didn't fall merely from random jet collisions and burning jet fuel that melted the steel
[36:36.160 --> 36:46.120]  or caused the bar joists to slip off the clips that they were sitting on or to push them
[36:46.120 --> 36:55.360]  outward and so, but when Larry, when I saw Larry and heard and saw Larry Silverstein's
[36:55.360 --> 37:01.960]  admission, and I call it an admission, I think everybody else could call it an admission
[37:01.960 --> 37:02.960]  as well.
[37:02.960 --> 37:10.200]  And you can find that on YouTube at Larry Silverstein's admission, and it's about three
[37:10.200 --> 37:16.720]  minutes long, and that's where he says that he got that call from the fire department
[37:16.720 --> 37:21.960]  commander who said they weren't able to control the fires.
[37:21.960 --> 37:27.000]  Well, what that was really about was that the water had been cut off to the building.
[37:27.000 --> 37:34.720]  They didn't have water in the building, so they couldn't use fire hoses in there, and
[37:34.720 --> 37:42.140]  so there weren't any firemen in there because there was no water to fight the fires.
[37:42.140 --> 37:45.040]  But these were small office fires.
[37:45.040 --> 37:49.900]  They weren't, this wasn't a burning inferno by any means, and they were only on certain
[37:49.900 --> 37:57.320]  floors, and there was a lot of, majority of the building was cold, hard steel, no doubt
[37:57.320 --> 37:58.320]  about it.
[37:58.320 --> 38:01.680]  Wait, can I interject something here real quick and then we can continue?
[38:01.680 --> 38:02.680]  Sure, sure.
[38:02.680 --> 38:05.480]  I was questioning about the fact that there were no firefighters in the buildings.
[38:05.480 --> 38:12.440]  Okay, this is really crucial because once it came out, this interview, which was highly
[38:12.440 --> 38:19.080]  publicized many years later and played over and over and over again on many websites and
[38:19.080 --> 38:26.720]  YouTube videos and everywhere in the new media, what I call it, the truth media, the real
[38:26.720 --> 38:32.640]  media, then Larry Silverstein releases a statement, and this is a few years ago, saying, oh, well,
[38:32.640 --> 38:38.560]  I didn't mean pull it like in the sense of a controlled demolition, like pulling a building,
[38:38.560 --> 38:44.680]  which in that industry, pull it means you're going to pull a building down, okay?
[38:44.680 --> 38:49.320]  He says, what I meant was since there was such great loss of life, we need to pull the
[38:49.320 --> 38:52.000]  contingency of firefighters out of there.
[38:52.000 --> 38:55.040]  Okay, well, that was an obvious lie.
[38:55.040 --> 39:01.320]  I mean, that was an obvious, just a lame attempt to cover up the fact that he actually slipped
[39:01.320 --> 39:07.240]  up and let the truth out, and you just nailed it right on the head there, saying there were
[39:07.240 --> 39:08.520]  no firefighters in the building.
[39:08.520 --> 39:12.240]  So there's no contingency of firefighters to pull, okay?
[39:12.240 --> 39:15.560]  So, anyway, you can continue now.
[39:15.560 --> 39:22.180]  We didn't even know there weren't any firemen in the building until later, and it was even
[39:22.180 --> 39:27.720]  written up in one of the missed reports, I believe, that there were no firemen in that
[39:27.720 --> 39:31.920]  building because there was no water to fight anything with anyway.
[39:31.920 --> 39:34.520]  Right, so continue.
[39:34.520 --> 39:42.520]  It was silly, foolish to say that, first of all, you wouldn't pull, when you say that
[39:42.520 --> 39:49.960]  the smartest thing to do is just pull it, pull it is not the same thing as remove the
[39:49.960 --> 39:52.680]  firemen from the building.
[39:52.680 --> 39:58.040]  Pull it means the building is it, and pull it means to bring it down.
[39:58.040 --> 40:03.280]  And then they said the fire department made that decision, and then we watched it collapse.
[40:03.280 --> 40:06.000]  Well, let's say that it is firemen.
[40:06.000 --> 40:12.840]  Well, you mean the firemen were holding the building up so that when they pull the firemen
[40:12.840 --> 40:14.600]  out, the building fell down?
[40:14.600 --> 40:15.600]  That makes no sense.
[40:15.600 --> 40:17.780]  Yes, it's ridiculous.
[40:17.780 --> 40:26.840]  So it's pretty obvious that he was saying the fire department made the decision to pull
[40:26.840 --> 40:27.840]  the building.
[40:27.840 --> 40:32.520]  Well, the most obvious, now this is what really did it for me as an architect, and I think
[40:32.520 --> 40:38.760]  for anybody else, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that you cannot wire
[40:38.760 --> 40:49.920]  a 47-story building to bring it down in the way it came down as a classical demolition
[40:49.920 --> 40:54.280]  in six hours.
[40:54.280 --> 41:03.040]  I know for a fact, as an architect, they couldn't find the plans for that building in six hours.
[41:03.040 --> 41:09.360]  And the idea that you could have the fire department go in there with explosives, and
[41:09.360 --> 41:15.000]  they don't know what they would be doing with that, firemen don't wire buildings for demolition.
[41:15.000 --> 41:21.400]  I mean, there's nobody skilled enough, they don't hire that, there's no such skill in
[41:21.400 --> 41:25.180]  the fire department for building demolition.
[41:25.180 --> 41:31.920]  So somebody, what this really meant to me was this building had already been pre-wired
[41:31.920 --> 41:35.680]  while it was occupied, which is a crime on its face.
[41:35.680 --> 41:37.700]  I mean, that's a crime right there.
[41:37.700 --> 41:39.160]  It's against the law.
[41:39.160 --> 41:45.720]  I've even had people say, well, Ron, don't architects, don't contractors wire buildings
[41:45.720 --> 41:48.360]  for demolition while they're constructing them?
[41:48.360 --> 41:51.840]  I mean, that's pretty laughable.
[41:51.840 --> 41:58.300]  It's against the law to have demolition charges set in occupied buildings.
[41:58.300 --> 42:04.460]  So this was a violation of the law on the face of it, and it also said, well, if they
[42:04.460 --> 42:10.680]  would violate the law to wire a building while it's occupied, to bring it down in such a
[42:10.680 --> 42:21.280]  classical style demolition, and one day they had to have it wired in advance, why wouldn't
[42:21.280 --> 42:28.800]  they wire buildings one and two, the twin towers, while they pre-wire one building?
[42:28.800 --> 42:32.360]  Why not pre-wire all three buildings?
[42:32.360 --> 42:35.700]  And that's essentially exactly what they had done.
[42:35.700 --> 42:41.600]  Those buildings had been pre-wired while they were occupied, and that means somebody had
[42:41.600 --> 42:48.240]  to have secure access to those buildings to work without detection and get those buildings
[42:48.240 --> 42:56.920]  completely wired up for demolition on the day that they would crash, I believe for sure,
[42:56.920 --> 43:01.640]  two jets that were totally unmanned.
[43:01.640 --> 43:04.720]  They were remotely controlled jets.
[43:04.720 --> 43:09.120]  People that would go to the trouble to pre-wire buildings while occupied and violate the law
[43:09.120 --> 43:16.520]  and go to that much work, which is obviously what took place, weren't going to risk putting
[43:16.520 --> 43:23.920]  live human beings on a plane, because when you introduce the human element in something
[43:23.920 --> 43:30.320]  like that, there's no telling what could happen, no matter how confident you might be.
[43:30.320 --> 43:36.760]  So those two planes, people are going to say, well, what happened to the people, and this
[43:36.760 --> 43:37.760]  and that.
[43:37.760 --> 43:43.280]  I don't know any of that, but I can tell you, there were no people on those two jets that
[43:43.280 --> 43:47.920]  would hit the Twin Towers, because the people that orchestrated the whole thing were not
[43:47.920 --> 43:51.840]  going to permit that kind of a slip-up to have a human.
[43:51.840 --> 43:52.840]  Absolutely.
[43:52.840 --> 43:56.400]  Even pilots for Nylab and Truth have said that.
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[46:04.760 --> 46:26.840]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[46:26.840 --> 46:32.320]  This is the Rule of Law here on this Thursday, September 11th, 2014.
[46:32.320 --> 46:37.040]  We're here with our very special guest, Mr. Ron Avery, architect.
[46:37.040 --> 46:40.840]  He's a signatory for Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, where, Ron, you've been bringing
[46:40.840 --> 46:45.800]  up some really good points about how they would have had to pre-wire these buildings
[46:45.800 --> 46:50.680]  and how that's a crime, and they would have had to have secure access and all these things.
[46:50.680 --> 46:55.160]  I mean, it's just preposterous to think that the firefighters could have, or anybody could
[46:55.160 --> 46:57.360]  have done anything like that in that short a period of time.
[46:57.360 --> 46:59.040]  It's just not possible.
[46:59.040 --> 47:02.480]  You know, and you brought up another really good point about the remote control.
[47:02.480 --> 47:07.480]  Folks, they've been able to remote control these passenger jets since like the 40s, okay?
[47:07.480 --> 47:08.920]  This is nothing new.
[47:08.920 --> 47:10.760]  It's not new technology at all.
[47:10.760 --> 47:12.040]  And Ron, you're absolutely right.
[47:12.040 --> 47:15.680]  There's no way that they would leave this up to the human factor because if somebody
[47:15.680 --> 47:24.080]  made a mistake and they didn't hit their targets, well then, how would they have any excuse
[47:24.080 --> 47:27.040]  for why the buildings blew up, okay?
[47:27.040 --> 47:32.240]  And I mean, seriously, if you look at some of the testimonials and some of the explanations
[47:32.240 --> 47:38.760]  from some of these pilots, there's a group called Pilots for 9-11 Truth, and these pilots
[47:38.760 --> 47:43.400]  are basically in agreement that it's like a unanimous consensus.
[47:43.400 --> 47:45.520]  Those planes had to be remote controlled.
[47:45.520 --> 47:47.920]  There's no other explanation.
[47:47.920 --> 47:53.000]  Some of these pilots have said trying to fly a passenger aircraft, especially going at
[47:53.000 --> 48:00.080]  speed with those kind of maneuvers, into a building like that basically is about on the
[48:00.080 --> 48:07.360]  same level of difficulty as if they were trying to fly it into a stick of bamboo that was
[48:07.360 --> 48:14.480]  sticking, you know, a thousand feet up in the air or a very long thousand foot toothpick.
[48:14.480 --> 48:16.600]  I mean, it's just, you can't do it.
[48:16.600 --> 48:18.060]  It's just impossible.
[48:18.060 --> 48:22.620]  No matter how good of a pilot you are, even these pilots that have been pilots for their
[48:22.620 --> 48:26.080]  whole lives in the Air Force, it's not possible.
[48:26.080 --> 48:30.680]  The only way you could hit a target like that is if it was remote controlled.
[48:30.680 --> 48:31.680]  Go ahead, Randy.
[48:31.680 --> 48:33.480]  Well, let me make a comment here.
[48:33.480 --> 48:38.360]  I was a pilot and I was in Vietnam and around a lot of big airplanes, and when I looked
[48:38.360 --> 48:41.920]  at those things, I thought, what in the hell is going on?
[48:41.920 --> 48:46.700]  How in the hell did they get that airplane turned up on the side that way?
[48:46.700 --> 48:51.440]  If they're just trying to hit that building, you got a long shot at it.
[48:51.440 --> 48:55.080]  You take a bead on it and fly right into it.
[48:55.080 --> 49:00.880]  When you said they were flying it remote controlled, that explains it, because if you're watching
[49:00.880 --> 49:06.760]  that airplane and controlling it remote controlled, if you ever flew a big airplane, you fly an
[49:06.760 --> 49:08.560]  airplane at all.
[49:08.560 --> 49:14.200]  If you turn the elevators, not like a car, the airplane doesn't move right away.
[49:14.200 --> 49:15.880]  There's a delay.
[49:15.880 --> 49:18.320]  It takes a while and then the aircraft responds.
[49:18.320 --> 49:21.600]  The bigger the airplane, the longer the delay.
[49:21.600 --> 49:24.640]  You have to fly way out in front of that thing.
[49:24.640 --> 49:29.520]  But if you're down here on the ground watching it, you don't have that kind of control.
[49:29.520 --> 49:34.760]  I don't even know why they had to let that thing over so far to hit the building.
[49:34.760 --> 49:39.040]  Well, I like to give the analogy.
[49:39.040 --> 49:44.000]  What the pilots for 9-11 Truth and some of the other pilots that have been talking about
[49:44.000 --> 49:51.920]  this for years, they say it would be difficult to hit, to actually target something that's
[49:51.920 --> 49:56.040]  208 feet wide.
[49:56.040 --> 50:02.400]  Let's say it's an aircraft, I like to reverse the idea and say, let's take the twin towers
[50:02.400 --> 50:14.400]  and put them one more, put it like 208 feet apart and then try to survive, try to drive
[50:14.400 --> 50:21.560]  your jet at 535 miles an hour, which is what they say they were doing.
[50:21.560 --> 50:30.480]  Fly your jet at 535 miles an hour and your jet is 160 something feet wide and you want
[50:30.480 --> 50:38.240]  to clear the distance, you want to drive your jet right between the twin towers and survive
[50:38.240 --> 50:40.880]  and win the day.
[50:40.880 --> 50:44.360]  Most pilots would not be able to do that.
[50:44.360 --> 50:49.760]  In other words, they wouldn't be able to save their life doing that.
[50:49.760 --> 50:57.920]  Whereas it becomes even more difficult if you're trying to kill yourself because there's
[50:57.920 --> 51:04.680]  just something natural in mankind that says, that's going to hurt, even though I have the
[51:04.680 --> 51:12.040]  will to do it, it's like sticking yourself in the eye, it'd be like trying to chop your
[51:12.040 --> 51:14.560]  own foot off.
[51:14.560 --> 51:21.200]  These are things that you have a natural inclination to resist.
[51:21.200 --> 51:26.320]  So you're going to have a pilot in there that's going to try to hit a target that's only 208
[51:26.320 --> 51:34.240]  feet wide with an object that's 160 feet wide or so.
[51:34.240 --> 51:42.960]  What amazing about that is that not one inch of that airplane didn't hit the tower, the
[51:42.960 --> 51:46.260]  whole plane went into these towers.
[51:46.260 --> 51:55.880]  So it means that this simply, at those speeds, is just simply not possible for a human to
[51:55.880 --> 51:59.680]  be able to do that.
[51:59.680 --> 52:06.380]  And I was even talking about the idea of anybody that would go to the trouble to plan and execute
[52:06.380 --> 52:19.980]  this maneuver of the twin towers and the Building 7, they're not going to introduce passengers
[52:19.980 --> 52:27.840]  onto a jet that they intend to crash into the twin towers.
[52:27.840 --> 52:34.800]  So here's what happens, it's like you've heard of the domino effect, well this domino effect
[52:34.800 --> 52:38.480]  applies to the whole 9-11 thing as well.
[52:38.480 --> 52:44.580]  Once you realize through Building 7 that this was controlled demolition and it was admitted
[52:44.580 --> 52:57.040]  to by Larry Silverstein, who damn well knows, that this whole thing then becomes an orchestrated
[52:57.040 --> 53:01.920]  controlled event and inside job.
[53:01.920 --> 53:12.940]  So knowing that, they're not going to allow a human error like having live passengers
[53:12.940 --> 53:13.940]  on a jet.
[53:13.940 --> 53:14.940]  Absolutely not.
[53:14.940 --> 53:19.120]  They're not going to risk passengers trying to save their own lives when they realize
[53:19.120 --> 53:20.980]  something's wrong.
[53:20.980 --> 53:26.540]  They're not going to let passengers foil their plans, no way.
[53:26.540 --> 53:32.240]  Because if there was somebody who knew, who was a pilot or even just by happenstance luck
[53:32.240 --> 53:39.240]  managed to take over control of the plane, even despite the remote control aspect, then
[53:39.240 --> 53:40.340]  their plans would be foiled.
[53:40.340 --> 53:43.480]  So there's no way they would do something like that.
[53:43.480 --> 53:47.740]  If somebody knew aircraft, if there was a pilot in there, and he simply told everybody
[53:47.740 --> 53:53.400]  to run to the back of the airplane, they couldn't fly the thing, they couldn't control the thing.
[53:53.400 --> 53:58.160]  You'd get too much weight at the back and that thing's like flying a bathtub.
[53:58.160 --> 54:00.480]  If a pilot was in there, he would know that.
[54:00.480 --> 54:04.880]  So that's absolutely right, there's no way they could control that thing if they had
[54:04.880 --> 54:05.880]  a bunch of people.
[54:05.880 --> 54:09.720]  Yeah, you don't want to stack all your stuff in the back of the trailer.
[54:09.720 --> 54:14.020]  You have to do a weight, before you take off, you have to do weight and balance.
[54:14.020 --> 54:19.280]  You have to make absolutely sure you don't have too much weight on the back of that airplane
[54:19.280 --> 54:26.280]  or you're likely going to a flat spin that you can't get out of.
[54:26.280 --> 54:31.560]  Let me give you another example of what I'm talking about in terms of human error in terms
[54:31.560 --> 54:36.200]  of exposing this whole plan.
[54:36.200 --> 54:45.800]  I often wondered, and many people did, why building a south power one, which was hit
[54:45.800 --> 54:52.320]  almost an hour earlier with the same type of jet and the same fuel and the same burning
[54:52.320 --> 55:00.840]  and all that, and in fact, so here's, in my mind, this makes perfect sense now knowing
[55:00.840 --> 55:03.280]  that it was all an inside job.
[55:03.280 --> 55:11.240]  The firemen, unknowing all this stuff that was fixing to go down, they actually reached
[55:11.240 --> 55:23.080]  the fire zone of the south tower at 78th floor and they radioed back to the commander control
[55:23.080 --> 55:29.640]  center that they had reached the 78th floor and that they only found several pockets of
[55:29.640 --> 55:36.060]  small fires, which they were going to put out with two lines or two hoses, and it wasn't
[55:36.060 --> 55:43.760]  shortly, just moments after that, that the tower two, the south tower, totally collapsed.
[55:43.760 --> 55:48.360]  Now that tells me something very important.
[55:48.360 --> 55:55.000]  These firemen were fixing to put the entire fire out that was in the south tower.
[55:55.000 --> 56:03.440]  Now what you have is no fires and tower two is standing there after the event, and somebody's
[56:03.440 --> 56:07.000]  going to have to go in there and rebuild this and you're going to have contractors, you
[56:07.000 --> 56:12.840]  have to have public bids and all that kind of stuff, the firemen themselves all walking
[56:12.840 --> 56:17.040]  around in there, and they're going to find these charges.
[56:17.040 --> 56:22.320]  They're going to run across the evidence that stuff shouldn't be in there.
[56:22.320 --> 56:27.640]  So they had to pull that right then.
[56:27.640 --> 56:33.480]  And they certainly didn't want all that trouble they go to, to have a bunch of firemen put
[56:33.480 --> 56:37.480]  the damn thing out, then they're really sitting there stupid.
[56:37.480 --> 56:43.720]  So they had to, once they're into this thing, they got to carry it out to conclusion.
[56:43.720 --> 56:44.720]  Absolutely.
[56:44.720 --> 56:49.960]  And you brought up a really good point about people walking around and stuff like that.
[56:49.960 --> 56:57.840]  One of the hosts on this network on Wednesday night on Truth Exposed Radio, Rick Rode, was
[56:57.840 --> 57:03.480]  mentioning about how there's video of, like the fires had already kind of burned themselves
[57:03.480 --> 57:04.560]  out anyway.
[57:04.560 --> 57:08.080]  They were smoldering, and you can tell that because of the color of the smoke, it was
[57:08.080 --> 57:09.080]  black.
[57:09.080 --> 57:14.200]  That means they were very cool fires, it was sooty, they were smoldering, like when a candle
[57:14.200 --> 57:16.680]  is like, it's out of wax.
[57:16.680 --> 57:17.680]  You know what I'm talking about.
[57:17.680 --> 57:25.640]  Like the smoky, and so you will see, you see the black smoke coming, which means the fires
[57:25.640 --> 57:31.160]  are going out anyway, and there's people waving their shirts and waving curtains out
[57:31.160 --> 57:36.760]  of the windows, like to show everybody, hey, everything's okay, we're okay, come get
[57:36.760 --> 57:37.760]  us.
[57:37.760 --> 57:42.960]  I mean, I'm sorry, if it was that hot to melt steel, you're not going to have people
[57:42.960 --> 57:46.400]  waving around their shirts and saying, hey, we're okay.
[57:46.400 --> 57:47.400]  I mean, come on.
[57:47.400 --> 57:49.480]  Wait, you couldn't do that anyway.
[57:49.480 --> 57:50.480]  You couldn't melt steel.
[57:50.480 --> 57:51.480]  No, I know.
[57:51.480 --> 57:59.960]  In 1965 or six, McCormick Place, the largest internal space building in the world was in
[57:59.960 --> 58:07.440]  Chicago, got a fire inside, and at four or five hundred degrees, it softened the steel
[58:07.440 --> 58:10.560]  girders enough that it sagged and collapsed.
[58:10.560 --> 58:15.320]  After that, everything had to be coated with that two inches of insulation.
[58:15.320 --> 58:26.440]  We used to spray insulation on them, and open air, fuel-fed fire without injecting oxygen
[58:26.440 --> 58:31.120]  into it, going to get about six, seven hundred degrees max.
[58:31.120 --> 58:33.720]  There is no way they melted those beams.
[58:33.720 --> 58:34.720]  Just not going to happen.
[58:34.720 --> 58:35.720]  Not a chance.
[58:35.720 --> 58:36.720]  Not a chance.
[58:36.720 --> 58:40.520]  Okay, listen, we're at the top of the hour, the show is just flying by, and we haven't
[58:40.520 --> 58:42.720]  even gotten to some of the good stuff.
[58:42.720 --> 58:48.640]  Like, how did Ron get the architectural designs and make some of his accurate determinations?
[58:48.640 --> 58:50.260]  We'll talk about that on the internet.
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[01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:17.440]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.440]  Sorry, we had some technical difficulties.
[01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.040]  Perhaps the bad guys don't like us talking about this.
[01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:25.720]  Okay, so all right.
[01:05:25.720 --> 01:05:29.840]  When we were going out to break, yeah, we were discussing, you know, the just the absurdity
[01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:34.760]  that there were any people on the plane at all, whether pilots or passengers.
[01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:41.480]  And we want to get to some, some more issues, unless you had more to say about that, Ron,
[01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:49.720]  we I wanted to get to, you know, your your continued search and your your path your that
[01:05:49.720 --> 01:05:55.760]  you set out on to find out the truth after you got riled up by building the building
[01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:57.120]  seven issue.
[01:05:57.120 --> 01:06:04.600]  And so tell us about, you know, how you obtained the architectural designs and your analysis
[01:06:04.600 --> 01:06:06.360]  and and all of that sort of thing.
[01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:10.800]  Give us a give us a little explanation, a little history on that.
[01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:11.800]  Okay.
[01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:20.760]  Well, first of all, the plans for the building for the twin towers, and building seven are
[01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:22.320]  not entirely available.
[01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:28.840]  In other words, Ron, again, the owners of the building did not release any of the plans
[01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:40.960]  to anyone even if requested and I'm not sure why that is other than they want to conceal
[01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:48.800]  all the information to make it more difficult for people to analyze what really went on
[01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:52.840]  or even if jets could bring it down.
[01:06:52.840 --> 01:07:00.560]  So anyway, but many people tried to or numerous people tried to find out more information
[01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:03.520]  about the building themselves.
[01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:09.960]  And of course, after finding out about building seven, that just turned me on to the whole
[01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:19.840]  idea that, well, absolutely, this was an inside job, a planned, executed, well executed long
[01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:29.600]  term project that had multiple players all throughout government and owners and insurance
[01:07:29.600 --> 01:07:32.280]  companies and all kinds of things.
[01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:41.900]  So in architecture, we call that there's a term for different groups of people becoming
[01:07:41.900 --> 01:07:48.060]  involved in a design, even if it's the design of the destruction of something.
[01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:51.600]  And we call that value engineering.
[01:07:51.600 --> 01:08:05.500]  So the World Trade Center was value engineered to accomplish the best and the most in order
[01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:10.360]  to get rid of these obsolete skyscrapers.
[01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:11.360]  Are you still there?
[01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:12.360]  Yes, I am.
[01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:13.360]  Continue, please.
[01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:14.360]  Oh, good.
[01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.960]  I had a little sound on my end that sounded like it went out.
[01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:18.960]  No, that's OK.
[01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:19.960]  Please continue.
[01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:20.960]  Yes.
[01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:21.960]  Value engineering.
[01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:22.960]  This sounds interesting.
[01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.880]  Yes, it is.
[01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:32.400]  And so it appears to me that what's really occurred here is several groups of people
[01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:33.920]  got together.
[01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:42.460]  I remember in 19, early 1980s, I saw a PBS documentary.
[01:08:42.460 --> 01:08:44.680]  It was about what to do.
[01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.960]  The title of it was Obsolete Skyscrapers.
[01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:57.160]  And after 9-11, I tried to find a copy of that through PBS and any other place I could,
[01:08:57.160 --> 01:08:59.720]  and I flat could not find it.
[01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:01.880]  I think it's been removed totally.
[01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:07.920]  But it did question about what do you do with an obsolete skyscraper?
[01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:14.880]  It's one thing to demolish a 10-story building or a 15-story building or even a 20-story,
[01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:23.240]  but when you're talking about 110 stories, demolition of a 110-story building skyscraper
[01:09:23.240 --> 01:09:25.760]  poses a real problem.
[01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:33.960]  And those buildings were obsolete, and we didn't know that either until many years later.
[01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:37.860]  We discovered that they were very unoccupied.
[01:09:37.860 --> 01:09:43.260]  They didn't make enough money at the World Trade Center to pay their annual bills.
[01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:54.080]  And it had asbestos fireproofing over about 60 percent of it, which the city of New York
[01:09:54.080 --> 01:10:00.200]  had threatened to condemn the buildings unless the stuff was removed because it was coming
[01:10:00.200 --> 01:10:03.920]  off and it was posing a real health risk.
[01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:09.440]  So they had to do something with these two obsolete skyscrapers.
[01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:12.600]  So I'm sure they engineered this among themselves.
[01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:16.000]  How are we going to get rid of them?
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.200]  What can we do with them?
[01:10:17.200 --> 01:10:21.240]  What can we make the most mileage out of?
[01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:27.440]  So they had the military, got the military involved, political people, and they had these
[01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:30.720]  plans at multi-levels.
[01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.160]  So they all got to working on it, and this is what they came up with.
[01:10:34.160 --> 01:10:37.880]  I'm pretty sure that this would make sense.
[01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:41.280]  And this is simply called value engineering.
[01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:45.200]  That's an old technique of doing things.
[01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:49.680]  So where do we go from there?
[01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:51.600]  Now I kind of lost where I'm at.
[01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.640]  Well, we were going to go into you getting the plans, the engineering designs.
[01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:57.640]  That's right.
[01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:02.720]  Well, once you understand that, then I just wanted to find out more.
[01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:07.800]  And originally they called the Twin Towers a hollow tube.
[01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:15.000]  Now that's – when we get hold of the plan, and some people had plans, obviously some
[01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:20.840]  people had worked on these buildings prior to 9-11, and they had copies of them, other
[01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.240]  architects and engineers.
[01:11:23.240 --> 01:11:30.040]  So eventually some of these people that had copies at home released some of these.
[01:11:30.040 --> 01:11:36.340]  So we have a few plans of certain levels of the World Trade Center, at least towers one
[01:11:36.340 --> 01:11:42.040]  and two, and some on building seven as well.
[01:11:42.040 --> 01:11:48.400]  And when you look at these, you discover that these are not hollow tubes at all.
[01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:55.760]  They have a very powerful – and of course I did some research then in architectural
[01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:59.680]  books that talked about the construction of it.
[01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:06.480]  Some of these books were printed in the 70s, and the buildings, the Twin Towers, were built
[01:12:06.480 --> 01:12:07.480]  in 1973.
[01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:09.680]  They were finished in 1973.
[01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:15.360]  So even I had some books of my own in my own possession that talked about some of the World
[01:12:15.360 --> 01:12:18.080]  Trade Center, the Twin Towers.
[01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:26.360]  And so I looked at that, and well, I discovered that the core of it is a very powerful core.
[01:12:26.360 --> 01:12:29.640]  It's called a gravity core.
[01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:40.920]  And what this does is it transfers all the different vectors of force on various parts
[01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.240]  of the building.
[01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:50.520]  It transfers them into downward gravity loads, and all that goes down through the central
[01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.360]  core.
[01:12:52.360 --> 01:12:59.160]  The outer columns were – that was for wind loads, basically.
[01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:06.840]  So that when wind hit one side, it would transfer those loads up and over the top to the other
[01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:07.840]  side.
[01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:15.880]  But the center part was called the gravity, and the outer walls were for lateral loading
[01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.720]  or wind loading.
[01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:28.560]  So what I discovered was that even if you severed at, let's say, the North Tower, the
[01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.240]  jet struck at about the 93rd floor.
[01:13:32.240 --> 01:13:45.400]  So there's only about 17 floors that were above the jet damage that was done.
[01:13:45.400 --> 01:13:50.880]  And at that level, you could probably sever all the exterior columns, and the building
[01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:57.360]  would not have fallen down because of this tremendous gravity core in the center.
[01:13:57.360 --> 01:14:05.120]  And these jets were obviously shredded to small pieces after going through the exterior
[01:14:05.120 --> 01:14:15.560]  wall because the exterior wall was made out of super high heat-treated steel that's
[01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:22.240]  100 PSI in terms of strength – 100,000 PSI, excuse me.
[01:14:22.240 --> 01:14:28.960]  And the internal columns, the gravity core, all the steel in the gravity core was made
[01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:34.480]  out of A36, which is 36,000 PSI.
[01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:41.320]  But the outer columns were made out of A100,000.
[01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:47.720]  So that's three times – the exterior columns were three times stronger than the internal
[01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:48.720]  core.
[01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:53.760]  Now, the steel wasn't as heavy, but it was stronger.
[01:14:53.760 --> 01:15:02.280]  So anyway, needless to say, these jets were shredded up pretty badly after hitting the
[01:15:02.280 --> 01:15:08.640]  exterior so that they would not have done a whole lot of damage to the internal core
[01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:15.080]  after piercing or attempting to pierce those exterior walls.
[01:15:15.080 --> 01:15:21.160]  And many – even though some of these exterior columns were broken, they were not totally
[01:15:21.160 --> 01:15:23.040]  disconnected.
[01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:29.120]  So that meant that the jet damage was severe.
[01:15:29.120 --> 01:15:36.480]  So – but it also means it protected the internal gravity core, which was super strong,
[01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:40.120]  heavy material.
[01:15:40.120 --> 01:15:46.680]  So anyway, I discovered that you could sever all those columns around at the 93rd floor
[01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:49.800]  and the building wouldn't fall down.
[01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:55.640]  The other thing they tried to say was that the twin towers pancaked.
[01:15:55.640 --> 01:16:05.600]  So after this damage was done at the fire zone and where the planes hit, it started
[01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:14.200]  a collapse, which initiated a global collapse, like pancaking floor upon floor upon floor.
[01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:19.960]  Well, there's only one type of building that really falls quite like that, and that's
[01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:26.040]  called a – what do they – lift slab.
[01:16:26.040 --> 01:16:35.040]  Lift slab construction is conducive to pancaking, and these, in fact, have pancaked in the past.
[01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:40.760]  That's where you put up columns and then you pour slabs around the columns and lift
[01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:46.240]  them up after the cure, and you lift them up in the air with jacks and you lock them
[01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:52.680]  off at where you want them, and that can collapse.
[01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:55.000]  But not the twin towers, they weren't built like that.
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[01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:33.240]  Rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here tonight on this 13th anniversary of 9-11.
[01:20:33.240 --> 01:20:36.160]  Tonight is September 11th, 2014.
[01:20:36.160 --> 01:20:41.800]  We're here with a very special guest, Ron Avery, and folks, we're coming into the last
[01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:46.200]  three segments of the show, and so we're going to continue to speak to Ron.
[01:20:46.200 --> 01:20:51.720]  He's talking about the buildings and the design and how he got into all of this and why the
[01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:53.660]  official story is complete and total fraud.
[01:20:53.660 --> 01:20:59.280]  It could not have happened the way they said by any stretch of the imagination.
[01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:04.440]  We were talking about the support columns, which were steel, by the way, and this was
[01:21:04.440 --> 01:21:10.880]  another aspect of the unfolding truth of the story.
[01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:16.560]  Kevin Ryan, one of my personal heroes from Underwriters Laboratories, he was personally
[01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:26.040]  involved in the fire certification of the steel support columns, and he came out after
[01:21:26.040 --> 01:21:33.320]  this official fraud story was released and he blew the whistle and said, listen, I was
[01:21:33.320 --> 01:21:34.320]  there.
[01:21:34.320 --> 01:21:39.880]  I participated in the certification of these steel columns, these steel support columns,
[01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:44.720]  the main support columns of the building, and there is no way that this could have happened
[01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.880]  the way the government said, because I know, because I certified the steel.
[01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:56.000]  And so he's, of course, suffered a lot of persecution for that, but we have had him
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.000]  on as a guest before.
[01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:03.460]  I'd like to have him on again, but back to our guest right now, Ron Avery.
[01:22:03.460 --> 01:22:08.080]  We were talking about, Ron, you were talking about the way that the design of the building
[01:22:08.080 --> 01:22:12.720]  and that there's no way that it possibly could have pancaked and also not to mention the
[01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:19.720]  fact that I believe it was NIST's own model, computer modeling themselves, which was shown
[01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:25.360]  on like the Discovery Channel or something, talking about how their claim that the building,
[01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:26.360]  the floor is pancaked.
[01:22:26.360 --> 01:22:33.440]  Well, if you look at NIST's own model, you can see that it only works if the steel columns
[01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:42.720]  stay standing up, almost like an old school style turntable where it drops records down
[01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:47.220]  for those of us who are old enough to remember what it was like to have an old school turntable
[01:22:47.220 --> 01:22:52.080]  and you load your records on the top, your vinyls or your glass if you're old enough
[01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:55.360]  to have glass LPs, and then it drops them.
[01:22:55.360 --> 01:22:57.800]  Okay, so that's what the image was.
[01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:04.460]  And so that was only one of many of NIST's computer models, which basically defied the
[01:23:04.460 --> 01:23:09.840]  laws of physics and Derek Johnson got into a lot of that as well.
[01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:16.680]  If you take a large steel rod, put a weight on the top of it and heat it somewhere in
[01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:23.000]  the middle, is it going to collapse into a puddle at your feet or is it going to bend
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.920]  and fall off into the post office?
[01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:26.920]  Yeah, really.
[01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:32.080]  So, Ron, please can, yeah, exactly.
[01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:41.080]  Well, I don't, I think I've said what I needed to say there that these buildings were not
[01:23:41.080 --> 01:23:44.680]  built in terms of lift slab construction.
[01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:53.920]  These buildings were built with heavy steel, with heavy steel girders, and slabs were then
[01:23:53.920 --> 01:24:05.840]  poured on top of heavy corrugated steel that were bolted through and welded to the frame
[01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:10.840]  beneath it, and then concrete was poured on top of it.
[01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:17.640]  These were actually called diaphragm space frame floors, and they were very powerful.
[01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:28.600]  And these kind of floors just don't collapse or pancake what, as I showed in the presentation
[01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:36.920]  we did in Austin in 2010 at the presence conference announcing that we had over a thousand architects
[01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:46.320]  and engineers sign a petition for the, a new independent investigation of the demolition
[01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:48.720]  of the World Trade Center.
[01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:58.040]  We now have over 2,000 since 2010, so we've gained another thousand architects and engineers.
[01:24:58.040 --> 01:25:09.920]  But what we showed there is that these floors were built for like library floors.
[01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:18.800]  They didn't want to have to come in and beef up or remodel the floors for clients or tenants
[01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.940]  in an unforeseen manner.
[01:25:21.940 --> 01:25:32.320]  So they built all the floors sufficiently strong to hold library books as a library.
[01:25:32.320 --> 01:25:39.400]  Libraries do have very heavy floors because stacks and stacks of books are very heavy.
[01:25:39.400 --> 01:25:50.480]  So these floors were not, what I showed in the presentation of the Twin Towers is that
[01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:59.120]  the structure of the building was designed to encapsulate any kind of damage introduced
[01:25:59.120 --> 01:26:03.520]  from the sides of the building, such as an airplane or jet.
[01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:09.520]  And in fact, the designers of the building made it a statement, even at the time, that
[01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:17.680]  they were designed, the towers were built to design, to withstand multiple collisions
[01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:24.720]  of a seven, I can't remember the name of the plane now, but it was comparable.
[01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:28.200]  That would be a 707 in those days.
[01:26:28.200 --> 01:26:36.720]  Maybe it was, maybe it was a 707 because it was fairly comparable to a 767.
[01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:43.880]  And it was a four-jet engine, but the engines were a little smaller than the two on the
[01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:44.880]  767.
[01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:48.240]  But anyway, the result is the same.
[01:26:48.240 --> 01:26:52.480]  They designed it to encapsulate damage.
[01:26:52.480 --> 01:26:57.540]  And if you understand the building, you can see what would happen.
[01:26:57.540 --> 01:27:03.760]  Any kind of collapse would occur in the damage zone.
[01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:09.480]  And so that's, and all the structure was going in both directions.
[01:27:09.480 --> 01:27:16.000]  It wasn't just in one span from one side all the way to the other in one direction.
[01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.580]  All the structure was going in both directions.
[01:27:19.580 --> 01:27:24.200]  So any damage would not carry over to the other side altogether.
[01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:29.040]  It would be contained in the area which it occurred in.
[01:27:29.040 --> 01:27:34.600]  So there would never be enough collapsing above the damage zone or around the damage
[01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:43.720]  zone to even produce enough weight to initiate a global collapse, which is what we saw.
[01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:51.160]  And I have one other example that's absolute proof that these buildings, the Twin Towers,
[01:27:51.160 --> 01:28:00.640]  were wired with explosive charges, is that the South Tower, the jet hit at the 78th floor,
[01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.720]  as I said.
[01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:14.280]  And after a while, the top of the building above the 78th floor, let's say it's 32 or
[01:28:14.280 --> 01:28:25.840]  33 floors tall, tilted 22 degrees, the entire thing is one unit, tilted 22 degrees to the
[01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:30.760]  east over Building 4 below it.
[01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:39.080]  And it passed, the center of gravity passed the edge of the tower below it.
[01:28:39.080 --> 01:28:45.440]  If this would have been a natural collapse, there would have been nothing to prevent that
[01:28:45.440 --> 01:28:56.080]  top 32 floors from falling off in one piece of the South Tower and hitting the ground
[01:28:56.080 --> 01:28:58.920]  essentially as one piece.
[01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:08.120]  It would have been a catastrophic collision, all right, and fall, but it would have happened
[01:29:08.120 --> 01:29:11.960]  at any rate anyway.
[01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:21.320]  But there was no part of the upper floors that was distinguishable from the lower floors,
[01:29:21.320 --> 01:29:29.240]  and it began to collapse into just a cloud of smoke, meaning the demolition charges were
[01:29:29.240 --> 01:29:34.680]  going off in the upper part of the building right along with the lower part of the building.
[01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:39.800]  Yes, I was going to say, I have seen the video, and I've watched it over and over, of the
[01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:45.880]  top part of that building above the impact zone from angular momentum falling over on
[01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.440]  its side, and you think, okay, it's going to go straight down and land on its side on
[01:29:50.440 --> 01:29:52.600]  the ground, and then it just vanishes.
[01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:54.080]  It just vanishes in its own smoke.
[01:29:54.080 --> 01:29:55.080]  That's right.
[01:29:55.080 --> 01:29:56.080]  It was crazy.
[01:29:56.080 --> 01:29:57.080]  All right, folks.
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[01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:38.680]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:40.080]  This is The Rule of Law.
[01:33:40.080 --> 01:33:42.200]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:33:42.200 --> 01:33:46.160]  We're here with our very special guest, architect Ron Avery, a good friend of ours who have
[01:33:46.160 --> 01:33:49.240]  known him for many years, worked together with him for many years.
[01:33:49.240 --> 01:33:54.560]  And he is talking about how he got into all of this from the perspective of an architect,
[01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:58.880]  and we've been breaking down some of the, just some of the anomalies.
[01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:03.780]  If you want to even be that gracious as to call them anomalies in the official conspiracy
[01:34:03.780 --> 01:34:04.780]  theory.
[01:34:04.780 --> 01:34:10.920]  Folks, if you'd like to call in and ask Ron a question or us, this is your time to talk
[01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:16.340]  to a professional about the issues surrounding 9-11.
[01:34:16.340 --> 01:34:19.880]  You can call in 512-646-1984.
[01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:21.440]  We have two segments left.
[01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:27.840]  And as it turns out, Ron Avery has agreed to be on our four-hour info marathon tomorrow.
[01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:31.800]  And he has an entire presentation that he plans on giving.
[01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:34.480]  And I can tell you right now, I know it's going to be really good because I've seen
[01:34:34.480 --> 01:34:35.800]  it in person.
[01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:41.240]  And he probably will modify it somewhat because he won't have his visual aids, you know, charts
[01:34:41.240 --> 01:34:44.200]  and graphs and drawings and things like that.
[01:34:44.200 --> 01:34:49.120]  But I know that it will be nonetheless very impactful.
[01:34:49.120 --> 01:34:52.080]  No pun intended there, actually maybe a little bit.
[01:34:52.080 --> 01:34:53.080]  Okay.
[01:34:53.080 --> 01:34:54.920]  We are going to go to our first caller here.
[01:34:54.920 --> 01:35:01.120]  And again, callers, if you'd like to ask our guests a question, 512-646-1984.
[01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:03.680]  Okay, we've got Ted from Texas.
[01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:05.240]  Ted, thank you for calling in.
[01:35:05.240 --> 01:35:09.640]  What is your question for our guest architect Ron Avery tonight?
[01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:14.280]  Okay, hold on one second.
[01:35:14.280 --> 01:35:17.280]  Let me make sure we got the signal coming in.
[01:35:17.280 --> 01:35:18.280]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[01:35:18.280 --> 01:35:19.280]  Go ahead, Ted.
[01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:20.280]  What is your question tonight?
[01:35:20.280 --> 01:35:21.280]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:35:21.280 --> 01:35:23.920]  It's for him and for y'all, the legal team.
[01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:29.680]  Can you give a conviction on an arson charge with all the evidence?
[01:35:29.680 --> 01:35:35.760]  I mean, how come the insurance companies aren't going after Larry Silverstein?
[01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.480]  Well, that's actually a very good point.
[01:35:38.480 --> 01:35:41.120]  Apparently, they're in on it somehow.
[01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:43.080]  They get some kickbacks somehow.
[01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:49.520]  But actually, one of the underwriters of one of the insurance companies involved in insuring
[01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:54.640]  Building 7, hey, Ted, listen, can you please hold the mouthpiece down by your chin because
[01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:57.920]  you're kind of breathing into the mic of the phone, if you would please.
[01:35:57.920 --> 01:35:58.920]  Thanks.
[01:35:58.920 --> 01:35:59.920]  Okay.
[01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:00.920]  Yeah, I forgot which one it was.
[01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:03.520]  I think it was one of the German underwriters.
[01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:05.560]  It was from another country.
[01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:12.120]  There are typically many underwriters for insurance companies, even for individual policies,
[01:36:12.120 --> 01:36:14.620]  especially for a policy so large.
[01:36:14.620 --> 01:36:21.720]  And there was one of the underwriters that was holding out on paying the insurance claim
[01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:24.480]  because they suspected insurance fraud.
[01:36:24.480 --> 01:36:27.040]  And I think there was some kind of investigation into that.
[01:36:27.040 --> 01:36:32.560]  Now, why the other underwriters didn't make a big stink about it, I don't know.
[01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:36.120]  This was several years ago that there was this one holdout.
[01:36:36.120 --> 01:36:37.700]  But it's a very good question.
[01:36:37.700 --> 01:36:46.840]  Why hasn't anyone gone after him, Larry Silverstein, for insurance fraud?
[01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:51.780]  And I guess the answer is they're likely all in on it together.
[01:36:51.780 --> 01:36:56.320]  And so you're looking at a state charge of insurance fraud.
[01:36:56.320 --> 01:37:01.080]  And so what, the state district attorney is going to prosecute Larry Silverstein for something
[01:37:01.080 --> 01:37:02.080]  like this?
[01:37:02.080 --> 01:37:08.240]  Well, I doubt it unless, you know, this is why I have always advocated the return of
[01:37:08.240 --> 01:37:12.080]  private prosecution.
[01:37:12.080 --> 01:37:17.280]  The state prosecutor basically has a monopoly on prosecution altogether.
[01:37:17.280 --> 01:37:22.100]  And that's pretty much across the board in every state and at the federal level.
[01:37:22.100 --> 01:37:26.440]  But in other countries like Australia and England, it's not that way.
[01:37:26.440 --> 01:37:30.720]  If the state prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute a criminal matter, well, you can take matters
[01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:34.800]  into your own hands and hire your own attorney, just like with a civil case, and get the job
[01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:36.400]  done yourself.
[01:37:36.400 --> 01:37:41.040]  And so there are pros and cons to that, which I don't want to totally get into right now.
[01:37:41.040 --> 01:37:43.600]  We'll save that for another show.
[01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:50.880]  There are the cons can be that only the rich people who are victims, only rich victims
[01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.520]  can afford justice and things like that.
[01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:54.200]  Well, that's why we have a state prosecutor.
[01:37:54.200 --> 01:37:57.580]  But at any rate, they're just all in on it together.
[01:37:57.580 --> 01:38:01.240]  And so good luck getting him prosecuted as far as arson.
[01:38:01.240 --> 01:38:02.560]  Well, same thing.
[01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:09.200]  And we'd have to have, you know, individual perps, we'd have to know exactly who the people
[01:38:09.200 --> 01:38:10.200]  were.
[01:38:10.200 --> 01:38:15.060]  I would think I mean, you could go after unknown perp, I suppose.
[01:38:15.060 --> 01:38:17.940]  That happens a lot in civil cases.
[01:38:17.940 --> 01:38:22.480]  But I mean, if you're going to go after someone for an arson charge, well, who had the paint
[01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:27.920]  bucket and the paintbrush in their hand, painting the thermite onto the columns?
[01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:29.840]  I mean, that's the real question.
[01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:31.960]  And that is basically what happened.
[01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:36.460]  I mean, that is part at least part of what happened because there were shutdowns of the
[01:38:36.460 --> 01:38:37.780]  elevator shafts.
[01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:41.480]  There were unknown workers that were in and out of the building with with buckets of paint
[01:38:41.480 --> 01:38:42.820]  all the time.
[01:38:42.820 --> 01:38:47.960]  And Professor Stephen Jones has determined that there were unexploded ships of thermite
[01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:51.060]  in the paint that was that was on those columns.
[01:38:51.060 --> 01:38:53.960]  And so you have to find out who painted who actually did it.
[01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:55.380]  Let's let's go after the people who did it.
[01:38:55.380 --> 01:39:03.000]  But you know, the whodunnits is an endless, you know, rabbit trail, really.
[01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:04.580]  But you raised some good points.
[01:39:04.580 --> 01:39:09.340]  But do you have any other questions regarding like the structure, the architecture or things
[01:39:09.340 --> 01:39:11.520]  like that for our guest, Ron?
[01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:12.520]  Ted?
[01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:16.200]  No, just remember this one point, though, this one weird thing that happened.
[01:39:16.200 --> 01:39:23.080]  Remember that crazy IRS guy who flew his little Piper Cub plane into the IRS building here
[01:39:23.080 --> 01:39:24.080]  in Austin?
[01:39:24.080 --> 01:39:25.080]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:39:25.080 --> 01:39:26.080]  Yeah.
[01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:30.920]  I mean, it was a big mess, but it's not like it was in 183 or a mopac that didn't get destroyed
[01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:31.920]  or anything.
[01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:32.920]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:33.920]  That's right.
[01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:35.800]  But that was also a small building.
[01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:38.300]  It was only like three or four stories tall.
[01:39:38.300 --> 01:39:40.000]  And it was a very small plane, too.
[01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:41.000]  But yeah, he did.
[01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:42.160]  He did fly.
[01:39:42.160 --> 01:39:46.980]  And there's, you know, there's been analysis for years as to whether or not that was some
[01:39:46.980 --> 01:39:52.400]  kind of a false flag or whether, you know, that was truly a nut case.
[01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:55.680]  And I don't know, the jury's still out for the most part.
[01:39:55.680 --> 01:40:00.680]  But I think it's likely that that person really was just somebody that went crazy because
[01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:02.000]  of all the corruption.
[01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:03.000]  But anything else, Ted?
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:05.200]  We have some other callers on the line.
[01:40:05.200 --> 01:40:10.160]  No, when you look and watch just all the pictures, when you watch the videos, you look at it
[01:40:10.160 --> 01:40:13.880]  and you go, boom, straight down.
[01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:18.240]  You know, there's no question.
[01:40:18.240 --> 01:40:25.080]  Straight down, 23 stories tip 20-something degrees.
[01:40:25.080 --> 01:40:35.720]  And when it falls, the building pancakes from the top floor through those 32 stories and
[01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:39.080]  all the rest below.
[01:40:39.080 --> 01:40:42.440]  The top floor and the next to the top floor.
[01:40:42.440 --> 01:40:44.160]  How did that manage to collapse?
[01:40:44.160 --> 01:40:49.760]  If, you know, if it was a big wooden building and you poked a hole in the middle of fire
[01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:56.320]  there, you know, the top would fall over off the top and the base would stay there.
[01:40:56.320 --> 01:41:02.560]  You know, I mean, if it was, you know, no, it's straight down.
[01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:10.400]  Ted, I think there's another reason why they may not be able to do an investigation for
[01:41:10.400 --> 01:41:14.920]  fraud into this to pay insurance claims.
[01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:19.520]  When the president of the United States and the Congress have all decided that this was
[01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:26.280]  an act of terrorism and the news media is telling everybody that even to this day, 13
[01:41:26.280 --> 01:41:31.960]  years later, they talk as if it was the very second day afterwards, like we haven't learned
[01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:41.040]  a single thing since the second day, 13 years later, that no very few courts in the land
[01:41:41.040 --> 01:41:46.820]  are going to say, you know, that president, he was an imbecile, he was a nutcase.
[01:41:46.820 --> 01:41:49.840]  And so was the Congress of the United States.
[01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.280]  They've all flipped their wig.
[01:41:52.280 --> 01:41:54.800]  This thing wasn't an act of terrorism.
[01:41:54.800 --> 01:42:04.520]  This was an inside job with, you know, kind of explosives used and that kind of thing.
[01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:13.480]  And this was really an act of arson by somebody that had access to the building.
[01:42:13.480 --> 01:42:19.240]  Once the country sets the tone for something and the news media of the country continues
[01:42:19.240 --> 01:42:29.760]  to pound that that theme home, nobody wants to stand out and say that's trying to do any
[01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:33.720]  business at all, oh, that's all false.
[01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:37.760]  These guys are just making that up and they're a bunch of criminals.
[01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:42.600]  The result is you're going to lose in court because some judge will be happy to slap you
[01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:46.400]  down and make several million dollars in the process.
[01:42:46.400 --> 01:42:48.760]  And that will be the end of it.
[01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:49.760]  Exactly.
[01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:52.520]  OK, listen, let's move on so that we can take some more calls.
[01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:54.760]  We've only got one segment left after this one.
[01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:56.680]  We've got Paul from Texas.
[01:42:56.680 --> 01:43:00.200]  Paul, what is your question for our guest, Ron Avery?
[01:43:00.200 --> 01:43:06.560]  OK, well, some thoughts, the thoughts that I've had about how this came about and that
[01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:14.280]  is, number one, it was definitely wired to come down with bombs, but those bombs didn't
[01:43:14.280 --> 01:43:18.000]  get put in there during the lunch hour.
[01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:22.000]  They had to have taken, I don't know, maybe months.
[01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:28.920]  It seems to me that those that building was wired when it was built.
[01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:29.920]  And then that.
[01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:30.920]  No, it wasn't.
[01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:31.920]  No, it wasn't.
[01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:32.920]  No, it wasn't.
[01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:33.920]  We were at 9-11.
[01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:38.680]  We were at ground zero at 9-11 when you were Deborah and I. And we had someone there who
[01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:46.320]  worked in the IT department and he was saying how they shut down sections of the building
[01:43:46.320 --> 01:43:50.000]  at a time just to change the IT.
[01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:51.400]  And he said, what the heck is this?
[01:43:51.400 --> 01:43:52.400]  You don't have to do that.
[01:43:52.400 --> 01:43:53.400]  Hang on.
[01:43:53.400 --> 01:43:54.400]  We'll pick this up on the other side.
[01:43:54.400 --> 01:43:57.240]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rules of law radio.
[01:43:57.240 --> 01:43:58.240]  I'll call in.
[01:43:58.240 --> 01:44:00.240]  Ah, we'll be right back.
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[01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.320]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:47:03.320 --> 01:47:04.320]  This is our final segment.
[01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:10.000]  If you have a question for Ron Avery, Architect 512646, 1984.
[01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:14.480]  And Paul, quickly, because we only have one segment left, Ron already discussed how there's
[01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:18.960]  no way that anything was wired or charged at the time the building was built.
[01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.580]  He discussed that earlier in the show.
[01:47:21.580 --> 01:47:25.560]  You have to keep in mind, well, Tom Kiley, one of the hosts on this network, he worked
[01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:26.560]  in the building.
[01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:28.360]  Okay, he worked in those buildings.
[01:47:28.360 --> 01:47:33.720]  And he even has discussed his firsthand knowledge of how they were shutting down different sections
[01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:38.880]  of the building for a couple of months leading up to 9-11.
[01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:43.000]  And Randy was reminding me on the break when we were there, we met someone who worked in
[01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:48.000]  the building who talked about how they kept shutting down different sections of the building,
[01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:53.320]  claiming they were replacing the Ethernet cable, the networking cabling in and around
[01:47:53.320 --> 01:47:57.320]  the entire building, and they would shut the power off in different sections of the building.
[01:47:57.320 --> 01:48:01.280]  Now, you don't shut the power off when you're replacing IT components, especially networking
[01:48:01.280 --> 01:48:05.640]  cable because you have to test it with the existing components.
[01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:06.640]  And so, no.
[01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:07.960]  And then there was also the paint.
[01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:13.840]  Okay, this isn't like the old school Wile E. Coyote bomb that looks like a bowling ball,
[01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:16.800]  a giant bowling ball with a fuse sticking out of it.
[01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:24.120]  Okay, we're talking sophisticated explosives here that is in a form of powder that was
[01:48:24.120 --> 01:48:25.360]  in the paint.
[01:48:25.360 --> 01:48:30.760]  And so, all they had to do was go in there as interior decorators and paint it on, which
[01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:34.080]  is exactly what happened, and then there was some wiring involved.
[01:48:34.080 --> 01:48:37.400]  But nowadays, they can set off this type of explosive radio frequencies.
[01:48:37.400 --> 01:48:44.800]  Okay, so it's not like sneaking in these giant sticks of dynamite or this sort of thing.
[01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:48.400]  So no, they did not have anything like that wired from the beginning.
[01:48:48.400 --> 01:48:51.120]  Quickly, we have another caller on the line.
[01:48:51.120 --> 01:48:53.360]  Do you have anything else, Paul?
[01:48:53.360 --> 01:48:58.280]  Well, it's just amazing that they could have done it that way.
[01:48:58.280 --> 01:49:00.280]  But anyway, thanks a lot.
[01:49:00.280 --> 01:49:01.280]  Okay.
[01:49:01.280 --> 01:49:02.280]  You're welcome.
[01:49:02.280 --> 01:49:03.280]  Okay.
[01:49:03.280 --> 01:49:05.040]  Now, we had a call.
[01:49:05.040 --> 01:49:06.520]  I don't know what happened.
[01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:07.520]  She dropped it.
[01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:08.520]  It was a lady.
[01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:10.000]  It looked like her name was Kathy.
[01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:14.700]  But in the meantime, until she calls back, Ron, you wanted to get to something tonight
[01:49:14.700 --> 01:49:20.880]  regarding the media and the media's involvement in the cover-up and the brainwashing of everyone
[01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:22.880]  regarding this.
[01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:23.880]  Yes.
[01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:32.520]  You know, I thought that once I discovered some of these things, that within a few years
[01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:40.100]  after these things became public, especially with the Internet, that the news media would
[01:49:40.100 --> 01:49:46.200]  have to eventually acknowledge this and come out and reveal the truth and something would
[01:49:46.200 --> 01:49:48.200]  actually be done.
[01:49:48.200 --> 01:49:51.960]  But just the opposite is true.
[01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:59.480]  The news media, like all day today, I was in the car for a portion of the day and I
[01:49:59.480 --> 01:50:08.880]  heard the so-called talk radio, conservative talk radio, and what were they regurgitating
[01:50:08.880 --> 01:50:19.800]  with the same old 9-11 terrorist attack business that we heard the day after 9-11 in 2001,
[01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:29.560]  as if they had learned one single fact other than what George Bush told us.
[01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:38.360]  So if this is conservative talk radio, you know, you're not going to hear anything any
[01:50:38.360 --> 01:50:46.360]  more revealing from the other types of media you might hear.
[01:50:46.360 --> 01:50:58.000]  So the CNN and ABC, CBS, all that stuff, Fox, none of these channels that have any listenership
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:05.560]  at all, really significant listenership, are talking about anything other than the old
[01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:14.560]  9-11 myth that a lot of people just simply now know is a total myth, it's unfactual.
[01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:21.920]  And anybody, anybody that wanted to learn the truth could do it very quickly and on
[01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:32.120]  the Internet and through even sources of scientific data that are available on the Internet now.
[01:51:32.120 --> 01:51:45.400]  And it's just very obvious that the media have actually taken over and overthrown our
[01:51:45.400 --> 01:51:55.560]  government because anything they say becomes truth and unquestionable truth.
[01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:57.160]  And how do you fight that?
[01:51:57.160 --> 01:52:06.920]  Ron, are you saying that I should give up all of my notions of safety and security and
[01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:16.320]  protection and actually look at the truth?
[01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:20.400]  That might be as horrible as that sounds.
[01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:23.280]  I recommend it, yeah, I do recommend it.
[01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:28.960]  I might choke on my pizza in front of my big screen TV.
[01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:34.440]  And I think the media understands that and they're going to feed us what we want to
[01:52:34.440 --> 01:52:39.820]  eat and the government understands that and they're going to construct what they want
[01:52:39.820 --> 01:52:43.120]  us to hear and they're going to feed it to the media and the media is going to play
[01:52:43.120 --> 01:52:47.320]  it whether they want to or not.
[01:52:47.320 --> 01:52:53.760]  And I'm just hoping that you and I and this show and others like it can get people to
[01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:57.080]  get up off the couch.
[01:52:57.080 --> 01:53:01.080]  Well I think if they realize that this is not going to work out good for the American
[01:53:01.080 --> 01:53:08.640]  public, this stuff that's being done is not being done for their welfare.
[01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:15.320]  After all, 3,000 of their neighbors were killed and they were paid off, their survivors were
[01:53:15.320 --> 01:53:23.800]  paid off with hush money to the point of about $1.8 million per surviving victim of the World
[01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:25.320]  Trade Center disaster.
[01:53:25.320 --> 01:53:31.840]  So it's like they just paid, it's a victimless crime almost because they paid everybody to
[01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:32.840]  shut up.
[01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:39.360]  Yeah and unfortunately those families pretty much were in a position of having to take
[01:53:39.360 --> 01:53:44.080]  it because most of them were the widows and widowers.
[01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:50.200]  Okay, husbands and wives and that depended on the income of their spouse because they
[01:53:50.200 --> 01:53:54.360]  stayed at home and raised the kids in a traditional family.
[01:53:54.360 --> 01:54:02.160]  So they had to take it and Ron, it's exactly true and from my understanding it's not even
[01:54:02.160 --> 01:54:05.680]  so much that the media has overthrown the government but there's a shadow government,
[01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:11.720]  there's already been a coup and they are using the media to control the public and brainwash
[01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:15.240]  them and then of course they've got their puppet government in place.
[01:54:15.240 --> 01:54:18.000]  Let's go to this call real quick, Patrick from Texas.
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:21.320]  He's a long time supporter of the network, a big supporter of the network and I'm sure
[01:54:21.320 --> 01:54:22.680]  he has some great comments.
[01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:27.600]  Patrick, what is your question or comment for our guest architect Ron Avery tonight?
[01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:28.600]  Good evening.
[01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:36.840]  I just wanted to kind of pipe in, listening to just the general media, these mass media
[01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:42.360]  sources last night and his address, you think that we're living in an entirely different
[01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:43.360]  world.
[01:54:43.360 --> 01:54:47.880]  I mean, it's like there's no reality based on fact versus whatever little fiction theory
[01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:51.720]  they're throwing out there and these blind people are leading and following, pardon me
[01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:57.320]  and it's just, it is so, I mean, there's certain people, I listen to Alex Jones once in a while
[01:54:57.320 --> 01:55:00.960]  and they say like, you're so enraged, you're so uneasy, I'm the same way.
[01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:05.880]  I feel exactly the same way and then you stop and you think about, okay, what happened on
[01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:11.480]  this day and what do people think actually happened and how many innocent, just needless
[01:55:11.480 --> 01:55:17.560]  lives were taken here for someone stupid, just absolutely ridiculous agenda.
[01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:21.300]  And I get so worked up on these types of things and then you start applying that across the
[01:55:21.300 --> 01:55:25.600]  globe and look at all the lives that are lost because of just someone's ignorance and someone's
[01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:31.480]  greed and everyone is fed this pipe dream that we're so wonderful and we're the world
[01:55:31.480 --> 01:55:37.520]  police and we're, you know, X, X, Y, and Z, but it's such a facade and people are so blinded.
[01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:39.840]  I mean, this blind sheep led the swamp.
[01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:40.840]  Wait a minute, Patrick.
[01:55:40.840 --> 01:55:41.840]  It rages me.
[01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:42.840]  Yeah.
[01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:43.840]  Wait a minute.
[01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:48.320]  ISIS killed two Americans.
[01:55:48.320 --> 01:55:53.440]  That's grounds for us to wage all out war.
[01:55:53.440 --> 01:56:01.120]  Well that happened only in Hollywood, remember that, didn't they prove those two videos were
[01:56:01.120 --> 01:56:02.120]  fake?
[01:56:02.120 --> 01:56:04.600]  Yes, of course they were fake.
[01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:06.480]  And of course our government's been funding ISIS.
[01:56:06.480 --> 01:56:08.920]  I think it's to the tune of 8 billion.
[01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:12.880]  We have just a couple of minutes left, Patrick, so please go ahead.
[01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:13.880]  Yeah.
[01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:16.880]  I just want to, you know, this is another thing I'm confounded on.
[01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:17.880]  I listened to that thing.
[01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:22.880]  I got home, you know, from working late, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock, and I went back, pulled
[01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:27.920]  the archives, listened to this ISIS, I-S, I-S, I-S-I-L, I-S-I-L, and I mean, I'm almost
[01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:28.920]  like a crap.
[01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:29.920]  I'm like, who is it?
[01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:34.720]  I mean, you've got these people so baffled with garbage, you don't even know who they
[01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:36.720]  are, what they are, where they came from.
[01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:42.240]  And they don't think, you know, to even kind of get to origin and find out, oh, you know
[01:56:42.240 --> 01:56:47.520]  what, this is actually something that is just a morph of something that we saw about five,
[01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:48.520]  10 years ago.
[01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:49.520]  There's no difference.
[01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:50.520]  It's just got a different acronym.
[01:56:50.520 --> 01:56:56.600]  And then back in 1990, I heard this ISIS, the abbreviation actually stood for the Israeli
[01:56:56.600 --> 01:57:00.800]  Secret Intelligence Service, I believe is what that acronym stood for, back in 1990,
[01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:01.800]  someone was talking about this.
[01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:07.560]  And it's just, you stop and you think and you research and you get your head dislodged
[01:57:07.560 --> 01:57:12.920]  from your rectum and you realize, you know what, this is not fact, this is fiction.
[01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:13.920]  This isn't world-
[01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:15.920]  Patrick, Patrick, hold on.
[01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.840]  Look to our children.
[01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:22.160]  Our children grew up with the internet.
[01:57:22.160 --> 01:57:28.320]  Our children, unlike us, grew up with alternative media.
[01:57:28.320 --> 01:57:31.920]  They're going to fix this.
[01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:33.160]  I'm optimistic.
[01:57:33.160 --> 01:57:38.600]  Our children understand a lot better than we do.
[01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:46.000]  They haven't been drawn into the facade that we have.
[01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:47.400]  All right.
[01:57:47.400 --> 01:57:50.360]  Well, listen, yes, exactly.
[01:57:50.360 --> 01:57:54.160]  There's hope for the future because of the internet, but of course there's a lot of brainwashing
[01:57:54.160 --> 01:57:56.440]  on the internet too.
[01:57:56.440 --> 01:57:58.840]  So at any rate, we're to the end of the show.
[01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:03.920]  Patrick, if you want to hold on for a moment so I can talk to you after the show for a
[01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:04.920]  moment.
[01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:08.040]  And other than that, Ron, thank you for joining us tonight.
[01:58:08.040 --> 01:58:15.040]  And folks, Ron Avery, architect, will be joining us tomorrow night for our four hour Friday
[01:58:15.040 --> 01:58:20.220]  info marathon to give a wonderful presentation on his research.
[01:58:20.220 --> 01:58:22.000]  So Ron, any closing words?
[01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:23.800]  We've got about 20 seconds.
[01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:28.200]  No, thanks for having me on and I look forward to tomorrow night.
[01:58:28.200 --> 01:58:30.440]  I think it'll be great fun.
[01:58:30.440 --> 01:58:31.440]  Okay.
[01:58:31.440 --> 01:58:32.440]  All right.
[01:58:32.440 --> 01:58:33.440]  Excellent.
[01:58:33.440 --> 01:58:34.440]  All right, folks.
[01:58:34.440 --> 01:58:35.440]  So join us tomorrow night and we'll have plenty of time.
[01:58:35.440 --> 01:58:37.920]  Callers can call in and talk to Ron.
[01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:41.560]  Five, one, two, six, four, six, 1984.
[01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:43.680]  And that's all for tonight.
[01:58:43.680 --> 01:58:50.600]  Everyone have a good night and God bless.
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