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[03:20.840 --> 03:49.320]  Well, Randy, you want to mend that little faux pas or do you want me to?
[03:49.320 --> 03:52.440]  Uh, I'll take responsibility.
[03:52.440 --> 03:55.080]  We both ran off the cliff at that time.
[03:55.080 --> 04:01.520]  It's all my fault that Steve wasn't watching. How's that?
[04:01.520 --> 04:05.760]  It wasn't my fault, but I'm going to get blamed for it anyway. Okay.
[04:05.760 --> 04:12.840]  Okay. I'm going to jump on over bail because that really wasn't what this was about. I
[04:12.840 --> 04:22.800]  want you to understand that bail is not bond. Going back to due process, we go over in Code
[04:22.800 --> 04:32.040]  of Criminal Procedure 17.30, shall certify proceedings. The magistrate before whom an
[04:32.040 --> 04:38.780]  examination has taken place upon a criminal accusation shall certify to all proceedings
[04:38.780 --> 04:46.160]  had before him, as well as where he discharges, holds to bail or commits, and transmits them
[04:46.160 --> 04:52.760]  sealed up to the court before which the defendant may be tried, writing his name across the
[04:52.760 --> 04:58.880]  seal of the envelope. The voluntary statement of the defendant, the testimony, bail bonds,
[04:58.880 --> 05:03.840]  and every other proceedings in the case shall be thus delivered to the clerk of the proper
[05:03.840 --> 05:17.220]  court without delay. Now, I have never seen that this has ever been done and this is important
[05:17.220 --> 05:26.840]  because the trial court cannot get jurisdiction until the magistrate has made a determination
[05:26.840 --> 05:36.440]  of probable cause. And the way the trial court gets jurisdiction is by 1730. The magistrate
[05:36.440 --> 05:41.120]  after a finding of probable cause must seal all the documents in an envelope, put his
[05:41.120 --> 05:46.880]  name across the seal of the envelope, and forward it to the clerk of the court of jurisdiction.
[05:46.880 --> 05:55.040]  And that must necessarily include the criminal accusation. When the court gets the criminal
[05:55.040 --> 06:00.720]  accusation along with the finding of probable cause, which is evidenced by the order under
[06:00.720 --> 06:08.840]  16.17, now the trial court has jurisdiction. And the first thing the trial court will do,
[06:08.840 --> 06:16.680]  once it gets jurisdiction, is hold an arraignment hearing. An arraignment hearing is a hearing
[06:16.680 --> 06:25.800]  for the purpose of determining the identity of the accused and taking a plea. When you
[06:25.800 --> 06:30.720]  go to court, especially traffic courts, they always call the first hearing an arraignment.
[06:30.720 --> 06:38.480]  They say, whoa, Bubba, can't be an arraignment because you don't have jurisdiction yet.
[06:38.480 --> 06:43.880]  When you sign the traffic ticket, if you'll look at it, you're not promising to appear
[06:43.880 --> 06:50.800]  before a judge. I got a traffic ticket in Hazel, Texas. Went down to court. They called
[06:50.800 --> 06:55.160]  my name and I went up and first thing I did was looked at the judge and looked at his
[06:55.160 --> 07:01.000]  name and I said, Judge Edmond. I seem to remember Judge Edmond and Hazel, but I don't remember
[07:01.000 --> 07:07.120]  him having that much gray hair. And the judge looked at me and said, well, Mr. Kelton, I
[07:07.120 --> 07:14.700]  don't remember your belly being quite that big. Touché. But that was for the purpose
[07:14.700 --> 07:19.720]  of letting him know that I wasn't too intimidated by him.
[07:19.720 --> 07:27.040]  And then I told the judge, he asked me, how do I plea? I said, I don't yet. First, I
[07:27.040 --> 07:32.720]  want you to hold an examining trial. Well, no, Mr. Kelton, I'm not going to hold an
[07:32.720 --> 07:37.600]  examining trial. I said, well, your honor, I didn't agree to appear before a judge.
[07:37.600 --> 07:41.680]  I agreed to appear before a magistrate. And the only thing a magistrate can do is hold
[07:41.680 --> 07:45.880]  an examining trial. Well, Mr. Kelton, I'm not going to hold an examining trial. Well,
[07:45.880 --> 07:51.200]  in that case, I want you to have that bailiff come over here and arrest you for Class A
[07:51.200 --> 07:57.080]  misdemeanor, official misconduct, criminal, official oppression, the 30, violation 3903
[07:57.080 --> 08:01.900]  Penal Code. No, Mr. Kelton, I'm not going to have the bailiff arrest me. When you can
[08:01.900 --> 08:09.080]  arrest yourself. No, I'm not going to arrest myself. Point is, he could not have subject
[08:09.080 --> 08:16.600]  matter jurisdiction. He's subject to personally being sued. The only time you can sue a judge
[08:16.600 --> 08:20.020]  is when he acts without subject matter jurisdiction.
[08:20.020 --> 08:26.240]  So the magistrate, after the examining trial, must seal all the documents. And that's
[08:26.240 --> 08:33.860]  why the 16.17, there must be that order in there, because that's the order that gives
[08:33.860 --> 08:42.720]  the trial court jurisdiction. But it doesn't get to the trial court yet. 17.31, duty of
[08:42.720 --> 08:48.700]  clerks who receive such proceedings. If the proceedings be delivered to a district clerk,
[08:48.700 --> 08:53.900]  he shall keep them safely and deliver them up to the next grand jury. If the proceedings
[08:53.900 --> 08:58.120]  be delivered to a county clerk, he shall, without delay, deliver them to the district
[08:58.120 --> 09:08.840]  or county attorney of his county. Now, this one violates Constitution because the Constitution
[09:08.840 --> 09:24.600]  under 16, I forget, 16.5 per, I think it is, it requires that all criminal accusations
[09:24.600 --> 09:31.480]  be brought by indictment. We're not going to go to that particular argument. It is enough
[09:31.480 --> 09:43.640]  that the magistrate, after the examining trial, must file this order with the clerk of the
[09:43.640 --> 09:48.000]  court in order for the court to get subject matter jurisdiction. That's essentially
[09:48.000 --> 09:56.000]  due process as it goes to the magistrate and such. We'll probably do another show on
[09:56.000 --> 10:03.660]  how it is actually done and what crimes they commit when they do it the way they do it.
[10:03.660 --> 10:11.040]  So at this point, I'm going to stop my tirade, and we're going to start going to some calls.
[10:11.040 --> 10:12.840]  You up to that, Mr. Skidmore?
[10:12.840 --> 10:20.000]  Certainly. First of all, mine is Metta. We know Metta. Hello, Metta.
[10:20.000 --> 10:21.000]  Hi, y'all.
[10:21.000 --> 10:27.320]  Tell me, Ms. Metta, you're not out there hanging off the water tower, are you?
[10:27.320 --> 10:34.920]  Oh, no, I'm in hell. I'm in clean. That's the reason I have cell phone reception because
[10:34.920 --> 10:40.200]  about a year and a half ago, AT&T realigned their towers, and I have zero reception now
[10:40.200 --> 10:41.200]  out on my property.
[10:41.200 --> 10:42.200]  Isn't that nice?
[10:42.200 --> 10:50.880]  Oh, I know. We bought the property next to us, and we had a survey done. The survey had
[10:50.880 --> 10:58.440]  a problem because someone had taken the two-foot tall concrete markers put in by TxDOT and
[10:58.440 --> 11:06.280]  threw them over our fence. When? I don't know. And the guy who asked for road maps, my husband
[11:06.280 --> 11:12.600]  got the road map from TxDOT, and he did the survey, and Tony Koch is very thorough, and
[11:12.600 --> 11:17.600]  I mean very thorough. He spent a day at the land record just doing research on our property.
[11:17.600 --> 11:25.160]  He took it all the way back. We want to put it up on the fence, and we contacted TxDOT
[11:25.160 --> 11:32.040]  to let them, I mean, MCI, because we had our front of our property. They marked it. MCI
[11:32.040 --> 11:33.760]  did. Quest did.
[11:33.760 --> 11:39.760]  Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're using acronyms, and we don't know what they mean.
[11:39.760 --> 11:41.320]  MCI Verizon.
[11:41.320 --> 11:43.920]  Oh, okay.
[11:43.920 --> 11:52.160]  Quest is another phone company, cable company. Both of them are on our property. They have
[11:52.160 --> 11:57.320]  a permit to be on the Texas right-of-way. They're not on the TxDOT right-of-way. They're
[11:57.320 --> 12:08.360]  on our property. We had the property marked where the technician comes out and marks where
[12:08.360 --> 12:12.920]  their cables are, and because of where they were, we had to have the surveyor come back
[12:12.920 --> 12:20.720]  and restate the entire front. He put stakes in, and then four-foot PVC pipes with ribbons
[12:20.720 --> 12:30.320]  show where the property line was. MCI is several feet inside our property. Quest is on the
[12:30.320 --> 12:33.880]  property line, one minute out. They're like a snake. One minute they're outside. The next
[12:33.880 --> 12:38.960]  minute they're in. They have a jig box that runs dead center of our property line, half
[12:38.960 --> 12:47.760]  in, half out. Contact both companies. Quest has ignored every phone call, and the technician
[12:47.760 --> 12:52.800]  says they are going to move the cable, but from what I'm gathering, what they're trying
[12:52.800 --> 12:59.760]  to do is see what MCI does. If they were to do an easement, then under Texas law, anybody
[12:59.760 --> 13:03.920]  gets to use an easement, so Quest wouldn't have to move.
[13:03.920 --> 13:10.480]  Okay, I have a question. Okay.
[13:10.480 --> 13:16.440]  How long have they been on your property? Well, apparently since 88, but we learned
[13:16.440 --> 13:22.200]  about it when we had the survey done. So they were there before you purchased the
[13:22.200 --> 13:28.920]  property? Yes, and their permit says they are to be on their right-of-way and not on
[13:28.920 --> 13:37.640]  private property, and every owner that sold the property stated in all their titles, there
[13:37.640 --> 13:46.160]  is no easement on these properties. There is one problem here, and that's adverse
[13:46.160 --> 13:56.040]  possession. Well, they're in violation of their permit.
[13:56.040 --> 14:01.920]  What it may do is interfere with your claim against them if their lawyers are smart enough
[14:01.920 --> 14:05.400]  to figure that out. Oh, yeah.
[14:05.400 --> 14:09.320]  We hope their lawyers don't listen to rule of law radio.
[14:09.320 --> 14:15.600]  Well, what we did is we sent a letter to, well, Pat tried working with CI, because like
[14:15.600 --> 14:20.960]  I said, Quest has not talked to us. First, they tried to do a back door to TVLB to get
[14:20.960 --> 14:28.680]  TVLB to, such as that land board, to approve an easement, but we don't have a contract
[14:28.680 --> 14:36.160]  for deed on that property. We have deed. Have you brought the patent forward?
[14:36.160 --> 14:40.360]  Yes, we have. We got perfect title. Oh, they got a problem. You ought to go out
[14:40.360 --> 14:45.560]  there with a ditch, which- Our substance is, it would be a try for title
[14:45.560 --> 14:52.600]  if we had to go to court. Well, okay, here's the deal. Right now they
[14:52.600 --> 15:02.320]  have it by adverse possession. So I suggest you go out there and call them and tell them
[15:02.320 --> 15:10.920]  you're putting a fence in on the property line, and you want to make sure this fence
[15:10.920 --> 15:16.400]  stays, so you're going to put in a foundation for this fence. And just how deep are your
[15:16.400 --> 15:23.040]  lines, guys? If you don't want me cutting them, you might want to come and move them.
[15:23.040 --> 15:31.760]  Well, like I said, the junction box for Quest is half in, half out. We've already told
[15:31.760 --> 15:37.800]  them we're putting a fence up, but they've been playing games. One of the things they
[15:37.800 --> 15:46.480]  did is they called TxDOT, Texas Department of Fenceation, and told Gary Law that we were
[15:46.480 --> 15:52.800]  trying to speak right away. They tried to say that our survey was full. I mean, they
[15:52.800 --> 15:58.440]  tried to say that the drag line by Border Patrol, which they stopped doing two years
[15:58.440 --> 16:04.960]  ago when we bought the property, because Kat called and talked Mr. Black, who was the second
[16:04.960 --> 16:12.960]  in charge, and Sanderson for Border Patrol. Have you sent him a tort letter? Not a tort
[16:12.960 --> 16:18.600]  letter. Pat talked to them. He's been emailing them. He got an email in saying they're going
[16:18.600 --> 16:23.400]  to do a condemnation on our property now. If it turns out our survey's correct, because
[16:23.400 --> 16:30.520]  they tried saying the survey was bad, but Pat told Mr. Law, Don Wheeler for MCI, said
[16:30.520 --> 16:35.400]  his own surveyor said he wished he could work for someone like Tony Koch. Tony Koch was
[16:35.400 --> 16:42.720]  that thorough. After that was when he tried going into MCI. They tried saying that it
[16:42.720 --> 16:48.640]  was a road that we were putting our property line on, and it's not a road, the drag line
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[19:57.440 --> 20:02.920]  Welcome back to Rule of Law Radio, folks, and this time we're going to blame it on Metta.
[20:02.920 --> 20:10.320]  Where'd Metta go? Metta let us fall off the cliff. It wasn't her fault, but we're going
[20:10.320 --> 20:14.640]  to blame her while she's not listening. Metta, if you're out there, dear, call us back in.
[20:14.640 --> 20:19.360]  I see you've fallen off the call bridge again.
[20:19.360 --> 20:22.120]  I think she fell off the water tower.
[20:22.120 --> 20:27.360]  Now, she's in Killeen. There she is. There she is. Hello, Metta.
[20:27.360 --> 20:28.360]  Hi.
[20:28.360 --> 20:34.400]  I'm sorry about that. I take partial responsibility. I was not watching the cliff, and we let you
[20:34.400 --> 20:39.760]  run off the cliff, but in your absence, we blamed it on you. I hope you don't mind.
[20:39.760 --> 20:41.960]  We're guys, and we never take responsibility.
[20:41.960 --> 20:43.320]  That's right.
[20:43.320 --> 20:49.960]  Okay. Well, the question comes up then. Since we got... Like I said, they've been playing
[20:49.960 --> 20:56.640]  games trying to do everything. The survey was bad and all this. Finally, we got an email
[20:56.640 --> 21:03.400]  yesterday saying that if the survey is good, which we know it is, and I think they do too,
[21:03.400 --> 21:08.040]  they said they're going after us for condemnation. They're going to have that property condemned
[21:08.040 --> 21:11.480]  to a condemnation.
[21:11.480 --> 21:16.080]  How can they do that if you have the land patented?
[21:16.080 --> 21:21.200]  Well, that's a good question, because we were looking... My thing is-
[21:21.200 --> 21:25.000]  You've taken it outside their jurisdiction. They can't.
[21:25.000 --> 21:29.960]  Well, the first thing I'm looking at is a motion to prove jurisdiction by the court.
[21:29.960 --> 21:33.880]  They're going to take... Because there's no contract between us. The contract-
[21:33.880 --> 21:34.880]  Proof of claim.
[21:34.880 --> 21:35.880]  Yeah, proof of claim.
[21:35.880 --> 21:40.320]  Because the... Like I said, all the-
[21:40.320 --> 21:44.320]  How much land are we talking about here?
[21:44.320 --> 21:50.480]  Well, you're talking about a mile and a half in length, because it's not just a mile... Well,
[21:50.480 --> 21:54.920]  a little over a mile is my property, and then my next door neighbor, his property too. Actually,
[21:54.920 --> 21:59.240]  it's more than that, because he's got another section that they're on. So you're talking
[21:59.240 --> 22:00.440]  over a mile and a half-
[22:00.440 --> 22:03.120]  Do you have the land cultivated?
[22:03.120 --> 22:04.120]  No.
[22:04.120 --> 22:07.840]  It's in tumbleweed.
[22:07.840 --> 22:09.840]  It's in cultivated tumbleweeds?
[22:09.840 --> 22:17.560]  Well, I'm wondering... Okay, abandonment means it's not being used. It's been... Nobody
[22:17.560 --> 22:23.040]  has a claim to it, which you obviously have more than just a claim. You have superior
[22:23.040 --> 22:27.000]  title to it in the form of land patent.
[22:27.000 --> 22:29.840]  And you're living on the property.
[22:29.840 --> 22:34.360]  And you're living on the property. But I'm wondering if it were cultivated, would it
[22:34.360 --> 22:37.600]  not be self-evident that it has not been abandoned?
[22:37.600 --> 22:39.080]  No, if she had-
[22:39.080 --> 22:46.240]  Wait a minute. What am I thinking? It's not abandoned anyway. It's yours, and you have
[22:46.240 --> 22:50.520]  the right to do whatever you want with it, including leave it alone.
[22:50.520 --> 22:55.360]  Wait a minute. Talk to me about slander of title, Steve.
[22:55.360 --> 23:02.160]  Hey, Steve, I want to make a clarification. It's like my... This is on the south fence,
[23:02.160 --> 23:06.440]  but I'll give you a good example. On my north fence, there are 18 acres on the other side
[23:06.440 --> 23:11.000]  of the fence that belongs to me. Okay? So when we put the new fence up, we're going
[23:11.000 --> 23:18.480]  to claim that 18 acres. Mr. Hughes, who owns the fence, it's one of many properties he
[23:18.480 --> 23:26.280]  owns. It's only 8,000 acres. But his ranch manager knows the Koch brothers, knows they're
[23:26.280 --> 23:29.960]  good at surveys, got a copy of the survey and says, hey, when you get ready to put the
[23:29.960 --> 23:35.200]  fence up, he said, just put it on the property line and I'll pay for half. But that's 18
[23:35.200 --> 23:39.920]  acres on the north side of the fence. On the south side, the same problem. These are ranch
[23:39.920 --> 23:46.600]  fences. They are not property line fences. And so there is a fence up several feet in,
[23:46.600 --> 23:52.120]  but it's not on the property line. It was never meant to be. Across the street, there
[23:52.120 --> 23:59.440]  are 16 feet that is actually the right of way of TechDot that's out because of where
[23:59.440 --> 24:06.480]  the fence is. So the fences in this county are not on property line. And like I said,
[24:06.480 --> 24:13.120]  whoever did the...
[24:13.120 --> 24:20.760]  Where then would this tower fall if the fences were put on the property line?
[24:20.760 --> 24:32.280]  Well, Quest weaves in and out of our property like a snake. MCI, it starts anywhere up to
[24:32.280 --> 24:36.560]  eight feet inside our property because the property curves.
[24:36.560 --> 24:45.760]  Okay, and that's fine. So your property line curves. What I'm asking, I guess, is if the
[24:45.760 --> 24:56.600]  fence were built perfectly on the property line, accounting for curves, hills, corners,
[24:56.600 --> 25:01.280]  would that structure be on your property or would it not be on your property?
[25:01.280 --> 25:08.120]  If you're talking about MCI, it would be on my property. MCI is eight foot inside my property
[25:08.120 --> 25:09.120]  in certain places.
[25:09.120 --> 25:17.160]  Okay, let me make a suggestion. You don't have to have a fence. You merely have to have
[25:17.160 --> 25:28.400]  something that a reasonable person of ordinary prudence would consider to be a boundary marker.
[25:28.400 --> 25:35.080]  There were two foot tall concrete markers, right?
[25:35.080 --> 25:40.360]  What do you... Yeah, and that's what she started off with. What do you want to bet MCI moved
[25:40.360 --> 25:42.480]  those concrete markers?
[25:42.480 --> 25:49.720]  I don't know because what happened when you leave the 155 acres before that is my property
[25:49.720 --> 25:56.200]  or Pat's property in his name. And then when you hit the new property, it jags out. It
[25:56.200 --> 26:01.800]  doesn't go straight. It comes out several feet and then goes down the right-of-way area
[26:01.800 --> 26:02.800]  along the right-of-way.
[26:02.800 --> 26:07.760]  Okay, okay. Let's get to something we can wrap our heads around.
[26:07.760 --> 26:11.920]  No, this is it. They didn't want to move the jags.
[26:11.920 --> 26:15.920]  No, wait a minute. You're just saying they did stuff, did stuff, did... What do you want
[26:15.920 --> 26:18.920]  to do? What is your question? What's the issue?
[26:18.920 --> 26:23.080]  Well, how to fight it the best way.
[26:23.080 --> 26:30.840]  Okay, let's talk about that. Some kind of marker on the property line. My concern is
[26:30.840 --> 26:38.160]  adverse possession. If they haven't claimed adverse possession, then there's something
[26:38.160 --> 26:48.360]  that prevents them from it. So have they taken any action or have they merely threatened
[26:48.360 --> 26:49.360]  to take action?
[26:49.360 --> 26:53.640]  They're threatening to take action because we're the ones who brought up that they were
[26:53.640 --> 27:00.560]  on our property. But their permit themselves, their own permit says they cannot go off right
[27:00.560 --> 27:01.560]  of way.
[27:01.560 --> 27:09.120]  Okay, then. Well, even if their permit says that, that won't necessarily negate adverse
[27:09.120 --> 27:19.240]  possession. And try to make sure you don't get caught up in that. Have you considered
[27:19.240 --> 27:21.440]  suing them for slander title?
[27:21.440 --> 27:28.720]  No, but that's why I'm calling you. You guys are great minds.
[27:28.720 --> 27:31.760]  Steve, will you talk about slander of title?
[27:31.760 --> 27:37.000]  Yeah, I'm going to... I've got all of the elements of slander of title. Let me get to
[27:37.000 --> 27:48.360]  my website. Matt, I'm going to my blog site prosafeforclosure.wordpress.com and I'm going
[27:48.360 --> 28:05.080]  to the legal research tools statutes and rules Texas. Pull up Texas. Oh, wait a minute. Hang
[28:05.080 --> 28:06.080]  on. Let me do...
[28:06.080 --> 28:12.240]  Okay, yeah. While you're doing that, I was doing some research the other day on slander
[28:12.240 --> 28:20.320]  of title. And the way I read it, a slander of title really doesn't go to anything that's
[28:20.320 --> 28:23.720]  filed and necessarily go to what's filed in the record.
[28:23.720 --> 28:24.720]  Correct.
[28:24.720 --> 28:32.080]  But it can go to statements that are made. And here they're making threats of interfering
[28:32.080 --> 28:35.480]  with your enjoyment of your property.
[28:35.480 --> 28:42.220]  Okay, here are the essential elements. There are four essential elements that you're going
[28:42.220 --> 28:52.640]  to have to satisfy in a slander of title suit. One, publication or utterance. Two, a falsity.
[28:52.640 --> 28:58.160]  Three, malice. And four, which on a slander of title, I'm going to say this one's going
[28:58.160 --> 29:06.880]  to be your roadblock or your stumbling block rather, loss of specific sale. If you have
[29:06.880 --> 29:13.920]  suffered the loss of a specific sale due to a malicious falsity that has been put in a
[29:13.920 --> 29:21.200]  publication or in an utterance, then you have slander of title.
[29:21.200 --> 29:25.140]  I was kind of interested in buying those 18 acres.
[29:25.140 --> 29:27.160]  There you go. Let's make a deal.
[29:27.160 --> 29:31.080]  But not if they got all those easements and right-of-ways on it.
[29:31.080 --> 29:40.840]  And all that equipment and MCI, oh my goodness, all the radiation those things put off. No,
[29:40.840 --> 29:45.440]  I wouldn't recommend you buy that, Randy, but you're a grown man. You can make your
[29:45.440 --> 29:46.440]  own decisions.
[29:46.440 --> 29:51.000]  See, there is a problem with the table.
[29:51.000 --> 30:02.040]  Hang on there. We're going to break again, folks. We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
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[33:24.640 --> 33:50.360]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Roovelaw Radio, and we're talking to Metta
[33:50.360 --> 34:02.900]  in Texas. Okay, we're talking over the break and the markers have been removed. Since the
[34:02.900 --> 34:12.000]  markers were removed, you had to hire a surveyor to figure out where they should go. Now you
[34:12.000 --> 34:21.720]  file a declaratory judgment suit and ask the court to rule that the markers go where the
[34:21.720 --> 34:32.280]  surveyor says they go and order TxDOT to replace them. Once you get that order, then you sue
[34:32.280 --> 34:42.440]  EMCI or Verizon or whoever for removing them. And the cost of litigation, the cost of the
[34:42.440 --> 34:44.040]  survey, the whole works.
[34:44.040 --> 34:46.800]  Well, wouldn't that, wait a minute, wouldn't that be...
[34:46.800 --> 34:52.280]  The thing is you can't, you can't prove they did it. You can look where the rock saw is
[34:52.280 --> 34:56.960]  that cuts through to lay the cables and you see where they, it would have hit the markers,
[34:56.960 --> 35:00.800]  but you can't prove that they did it.
[35:00.800 --> 35:05.420]  I'm wondering if that would be your fight anyway, or would that be TxDOT's fight? It's
[35:05.420 --> 35:07.840]  TxDOT's marker, not Metta's.
[35:07.840 --> 35:16.360]  She had to pay for the survey and she had to pay for the declaratory judgment suit to
[35:16.360 --> 35:20.560]  get the markers reset. They owe her for that.
[35:20.560 --> 35:28.840]  Well, the problem is what Mr. Law said. Mr. Law from TxDOT told Pat, well, I have to stand
[35:28.840 --> 35:34.880]  behind my permit holders, which doesn't make me, that statement does not make me feel that
[35:34.880 --> 35:39.400]  he's going to be fair, honest, and truthful.
[35:39.400 --> 35:43.400]  Not at the permit holders outside the purview of the permit.
[35:43.400 --> 35:49.920]  But it doesn't matter what TxDOT does. That's why you sue for a declaratory judgment. TxDOT's
[35:49.920 --> 35:53.760]  not who makes that determination. That's what a judge does.
[35:53.760 --> 35:55.720]  That's the court, yeah. I agree.
[35:55.720 --> 36:05.540]  I got a question. Since the permit, you know, the engineer for MCI, and Quest, they had
[36:05.540 --> 36:10.560]  to have surveyors, their own surveyors. When they signed off on the permit saying they
[36:10.560 --> 36:16.680]  were in compliance with the permit, isn't that fraud? There's no way somebody who's
[36:16.680 --> 36:22.360]  an engineer who's supposed to do a survey can say, no, he was off.
[36:22.360 --> 36:26.400]  I don't know, I don't know if it would go to fraud. It would, it would certainly go
[36:26.400 --> 36:29.960]  to misrepresentation of a material fact.
[36:29.960 --> 36:33.480]  No, what it'd go to is conversion.
[36:33.480 --> 36:38.040]  Conversion. Get me there.
[36:38.040 --> 36:49.640]  They moved the markers so that MCI could put their cables on METIS property and convert
[36:49.640 --> 36:58.000]  METIS property to their use. That's theft. And she can sue them under, what is it, 140,
[36:58.000 --> 37:05.920]  the fraud. I forget exactly, I just looked at the statute today. It's the suit you
[37:05.920 --> 37:14.600]  do for conversion. Conversion was the term for converting someone's real property to
[37:14.600 --> 37:21.080]  another's use. And they've taken that out of the statute, it's now theft. But, and
[37:21.080 --> 37:26.840]  they put a fraud, they put in a special cause of action for that.
[37:26.840 --> 37:30.760]  Okay. Now we're getting some traction.
[37:30.760 --> 37:36.560]  And sue the surveyors as well. That'll really, they'll really hit the ceiling.
[37:36.560 --> 37:38.080]  Why would she sue the surveyors?
[37:38.080 --> 37:41.200]  Because they're the ones that told them where to put it.
[37:41.200 --> 37:45.360]  Oh, okay. The ones that surveyed the property for MCI.
[37:45.360 --> 37:46.360]  Yeah.
[37:46.360 --> 37:47.360]  Gotcha.
[37:47.360 --> 37:49.240]  They're in-house surveyors for MCI.
[37:49.240 --> 37:50.240]  Right.
[37:50.240 --> 37:51.800]  Sue them anyway.
[37:51.800 --> 37:59.600]  Yep. Sue them anyway. If they're surveyors, then they're licensed by the state. So they're
[37:59.600 --> 38:05.160]  on their own license, not MCI. MCI doesn't have the surveyor license. The surveyor has
[38:05.160 --> 38:12.680]  the license. He may work for MCI, but he works on his license.
[38:12.680 --> 38:13.680]  Okay.
[38:13.680 --> 38:20.520]  So it's all about the politics. You start suing their surveyors, their surveyors are
[38:20.520 --> 38:21.520]  going to get apoplexy.
[38:21.520 --> 38:24.520]  Apoplexy is a good source of words.
[38:24.520 --> 38:31.920]  They're filing criminal charges against the surveyors for falsifying their paperwork by
[38:31.920 --> 38:36.920]  saying that they were in compliance when they knew they weren't.
[38:36.920 --> 38:41.800]  And they're likely to throw MCI under the bus to get you off their case.
[38:41.800 --> 38:46.000]  I don't know if I'd go to a criminal charge on that. It's certainly civil.
[38:46.000 --> 38:48.460]  Well, it goes to theft.
[38:48.460 --> 38:54.360]  If it's theft, yeah, if you can prove theft, then that's not civil. That is criminal. So
[38:54.360 --> 39:00.160]  ouch. You could ruin these guys' day for a couple of weeks at least.
[39:00.160 --> 39:09.120]  Okay. And one thing to consider, Meta, you're not a lawyer. You said earlier you couldn't
[39:09.120 --> 39:20.920]  prove that they moved the markers. Who cares? You can accuse them of it. And if the preponderance
[39:20.920 --> 39:25.800]  of the evidence indicates that nobody else would have a reason to do it and they would
[39:25.800 --> 39:32.000]  have a reason, let them prove they didn't. It's all about the money in the end.
[39:32.000 --> 39:40.360]  Yeah, but you got to remember something about Texas. It's a felony to move, destroy a marker.
[39:40.360 --> 39:42.120]  Oh, that's right.
[39:42.120 --> 39:43.120]  All the better.
[39:43.120 --> 39:49.320]  Oh, yes. To move a marker. That's right. I forgot about that. Ooh-ha.
[39:49.320 --> 39:50.880]  Yeah. Welcome.
[39:50.880 --> 39:58.320]  I wonder how many times these surveyors have done that for MCI.
[39:58.320 --> 40:05.560]  Actually according, Texas will talk without realizing they probably shouldn't say what
[40:05.560 --> 40:11.600]  they say. They admit it's happening all over the state. And the Koch brothers, they came
[40:11.600 --> 40:17.520]  out and had to restate the front for us. That cost us almost $1,300 for them to come down
[40:17.520 --> 40:25.440]  and restate the front of our property. Like I said, about a mile of our property is...
[40:25.440 --> 40:30.280]  And if you look at the price of what it would cost them to move, it cost them, with the
[40:30.280 --> 40:32.760]  rock star and everything, you're looking at at least a million dollars because you're
[40:32.760 --> 40:37.400]  talking two companies that have to move. Quest is the other company.
[40:37.400 --> 40:40.120]  That's not your problem, though. That's theirs.
[40:40.120 --> 40:41.120]  No.
[40:41.120 --> 40:45.920]  Well, that's one of the calculations you want to do. This is all about the money in the
[40:45.920 --> 40:46.920]  end.
[40:46.920 --> 40:47.920]  Yeah.
[40:47.920 --> 40:53.520]  So if you can make it look like it's gonna cost them a lot of money, they'll come to
[40:53.520 --> 40:55.520]  you and play Let's Make a Deal.
[40:55.520 --> 41:02.560]  No, no, no. It was one thing they're gonna do the condemnation if the story is correct.
[41:02.560 --> 41:08.240]  No, listen, don't pay any attention to what these jerks say. Are you kidding me? They're
[41:08.240 --> 41:17.560]  gonna lie like dogs. Don't care what they say. Sue them. Drag them into court. They
[41:17.560 --> 41:24.240]  make an assertion like this. Bar grieve the lawyers. If the lawyers get too out of line,
[41:24.240 --> 41:29.800]  sue the lawyers for malpractice. Introduce them to the pro se from hell.
[41:29.800 --> 41:30.800]  Okay.
[41:30.800 --> 41:41.020]  It is only about the money. That's all they care about. In the end, you're a fighter.
[41:41.020 --> 41:50.320]  You got it in you to do this. And you're a fair researcher.
[41:50.320 --> 41:56.480]  Don't pay any attention to anything they say. Never talk to them on the phone. Everything's
[41:56.480 --> 42:02.160]  in writing. Never threaten them. Never tell them what you're going to do. Just do it.
[42:02.160 --> 42:10.440]  We've got to do something else. But you know, I got a question. The title company, all the
[42:10.440 --> 42:17.040]  title companies going back to the different people who've owned the land over the years,
[42:17.040 --> 42:23.240]  the title company says there is no easement on our property. So can they fight? Can we
[42:23.240 --> 42:27.360]  have the title company also fight for the fact that they violated by putting an easement
[42:27.360 --> 42:30.520]  that wasn't supposed to be there?
[42:30.520 --> 42:37.480]  The easement is the state easement upon which their property should be, but it's not.
[42:37.480 --> 42:38.720]  Hello?
[42:38.720 --> 42:46.960]  Yes. Can you hear me? Hello, met? Are you there?
[42:46.960 --> 42:50.640]  Yes. You were breaking up for a second.
[42:50.640 --> 42:51.640]  Okay.
[42:51.640 --> 42:56.360]  Okay. We do have to get moving though. We're going to run out of time.
[42:56.360 --> 42:57.360]  Thank you.
[42:57.360 --> 43:03.080]  File a suit against them and file the criminal charges. It doesn't matter if you get them
[43:03.080 --> 43:10.560]  adjudicated or not. That'll scare the bejesus out of everybody. And then you file like a
[43:10.560 --> 43:16.700]  declaratory judgment to get those markers put back where they should be. Just talking
[43:16.700 --> 43:21.160]  to them, they're not going to pay any attention. When you start taking court action, now you
[43:21.160 --> 43:22.880]  get their attention.
[43:22.880 --> 43:23.880]  Okay.
[43:23.880 --> 43:28.380]  And they're not going to take you serious. So the lawyers are going to pull all this
[43:28.380 --> 43:33.640]  song and dance and seltzer down your pants. And if you bar grieve them every time they
[43:33.640 --> 43:37.760]  open their mouths, ask for sanctions every time they open their mouth, they're going
[43:37.760 --> 43:38.760]  to get gun shy.
[43:38.760 --> 43:43.040]  Okay. Well, thank you. I appreciate it.
[43:43.040 --> 43:48.340]  Okay. Thank you, Ms. Metta. This is Brandy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio
[43:48.340 --> 43:53.040]  about to go to break. Lisa, Danny, Gary, I see you there. We'll pick you up on the other
[43:53.040 --> 43:58.040]  side. We'll be right back.
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[46:55.800 --> 47:03.000]  The man that you hear singing about making his living pushing buttons is Jerry Stevens.
[47:03.000 --> 47:09.840]  And if you'll call in 512-646-1984, you'll be able to talk to Jerry cause he's back there
[47:09.840 --> 47:18.960]  pushing buttons right now. And we'd like to thank Jerry for his time. You want to go to
[47:18.960 --> 47:27.120]  Lisa in Colorado? Yes. Wait a minute. Before we go to Lisa in Colorado, you found a section
[47:27.120 --> 47:31.040]  of code that you were looking for at the beginning of the show. Do you still have your finger
[47:31.040 --> 47:42.880]  on that page? Yeah, that was 16.01 that says that in a felony case, you have a right to
[47:42.880 --> 47:54.460]  a examining trial before indictment. Okay. So that specifically puts the examining trial
[47:54.460 --> 48:01.400]  before going to the judge before the judge on an indictment. So how did they get an indictment
[48:01.400 --> 48:08.080]  against Perry without an examining trial? Exactly. Did he break the law? Yes, he broke
[48:08.080 --> 48:15.220]  the law. Well, it's been determined that he's broke the law because he got the indictment
[48:15.220 --> 48:20.480]  from the grand jury, but he should have never gone before the grand jury without first having
[48:20.480 --> 48:25.820]  gone before the magistrate for an examining trial. Is that correct? That's the way I read
[48:25.820 --> 48:33.720]  the code. That should render the indictment void. Lovely. You wait till Fox News gets
[48:33.720 --> 48:44.720]  hold of this. Well, I would give it to the governor, but it's the same as Tom DeLay wouldn't
[48:44.720 --> 48:54.600]  use it. Yeah. I filed a habeas corpus in the Tom DeLay case early on. And Dick DeGuerin
[48:54.600 --> 48:59.040]  called me and asked me if I was the one that filed the habeas and I told him yes. And he
[48:59.040 --> 49:03.400]  said, well, I'm the lawyer of record and I didn't authorize it. I don't care what you
[49:03.400 --> 49:10.760]  did. You're the one that should have filed it, not me. Right. We get to court. They picked
[49:10.760 --> 49:16.600]  a jury, went out for lunch, came back to judge Dietz who's talking to the jury. And I stood
[49:16.600 --> 49:21.240]  up in the courtroom and said, my name's Randall Kelton. I have business with this court that
[49:21.240 --> 49:26.900]  supersedes any business now before this court. And Dietz said, you're the one with the habeas
[49:26.900 --> 49:34.840]  corpus. As a matter of fact, I am. And he refused to hear the habeas.
[49:34.840 --> 49:40.720]  Was this at the time when Dietz was the heavy out there? He was lead judge?
[49:40.720 --> 49:43.920]  Yeah, this was the Tom DeLay trial.
[49:43.920 --> 49:48.960]  Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Dietz did hear that.
[49:48.960 --> 49:56.320]  Yeah. I put the habeas in Tom DeLay's hand himself and never did anything about it. He
[49:56.320 --> 50:05.160]  let himself get convicted when there was no evidence. So what was going on here? He wouldn't
[50:05.160 --> 50:12.360]  defend himself and his lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, why did he hire that guy? He always loses.
[50:12.360 --> 50:17.880]  He brags about representing the Branch Davidians. Well, duh, you lost Bubba.
[50:17.880 --> 50:23.560]  Well maybe, I don't want to point fingers or anything, but maybe they had some dirt
[50:23.560 --> 50:31.240]  on DeLay that he just agreed to take his whooping on this one and they won't raise this other
[50:31.240 --> 50:35.680]  issue and everything's back to business as usual.
[50:35.680 --> 50:41.160]  Business as usual. That was kind of what I figured had to be going on behind the scenes.
[50:41.160 --> 50:48.760]  Because even DeLay, when I gave him the habeas, it looked like I scared him.
[50:48.760 --> 50:53.560]  Well, somebody with something to hide is the only one that I would think of that would
[50:53.560 --> 50:58.600]  not use a remedy that's literally placed in his hands.
[50:58.600 --> 51:05.680]  Yes. So anyway, I'm wondering if I gave this to the governor, if he'd use it.
[51:05.680 --> 51:12.600]  Who knows? Maybe the same song and dance. Maybe he's got some skeletons in his closets
[51:12.600 --> 51:16.960]  that he's agreed to take a stomping on or a stomping over.
[51:16.960 --> 51:21.360]  Well, you consider this wasn't the Democrats that indicted him.
[51:21.360 --> 51:22.360]  Right.
[51:22.360 --> 51:23.360]  It was the Republicans.
[51:23.360 --> 51:25.160]  Yeah, I know.
[51:25.160 --> 51:28.160]  So he might've stepped on some party toes.
[51:28.160 --> 51:29.160]  He must've.
[51:29.160 --> 51:33.320]  Okay. Let's go to callers. We're going to run out of time here.
[51:33.320 --> 51:37.560]  Lisa in Colorado. What have you got for us tonight, dear?
[51:37.560 --> 51:41.880]  Well, hello there. So I'm a first time caller.
[51:41.880 --> 51:45.120]  Okay. Well, welcome to Rule of Law.
[51:45.120 --> 51:49.000]  Thank you. I was recommended to call by Jaja.
[51:49.000 --> 51:50.000]  Okay.
[51:50.000 --> 51:51.000]  Yeah.
[51:51.000 --> 51:52.000]  Yeah.
[51:52.000 --> 51:57.120]  She's a regular caller and a regular listener. Best she's listening now.
[51:57.120 --> 52:00.360]  Yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. So I...
[52:00.360 --> 52:04.200]  Well, the only problem with Jaja is she's a foreigner.
[52:04.200 --> 52:06.040]  She's a foreigner?
[52:06.040 --> 52:12.120]  Well, she's obviously not from Texas. She speaks with this strange foreign accent. I
[52:12.120 --> 52:14.480]  never heard her say y'all once.
[52:14.480 --> 52:21.920]  Yeah. That was kind of strange, wasn't it? Something missing in that dialect.
[52:21.920 --> 52:29.400]  Those of us in Texas consider everybody not in Texas a foreigner.
[52:29.400 --> 52:31.800]  So Lisa, what do you got for us tonight?
[52:31.800 --> 52:37.920]  All right. Well, hey, I'm not as knowledgeable as you guys. I know you've been in this a
[52:37.920 --> 52:45.880]  lot longer than me, but I started in this process, started fighting a wrongful foreclosure
[52:45.880 --> 52:58.480]  on my home approximately 2011 and filed my first federal complaint in 2012. And I got
[52:58.480 --> 53:06.160]  a monumental victory here in Colorado. It was the first TRO given in a federal court
[53:06.160 --> 53:13.080]  based on a state matter, of course, bypassing the younger abstention.
[53:13.080 --> 53:14.080]  Good.
[53:14.080 --> 53:23.600]  Yep. So using ex parte. And then the judge was squarely in my favor and it seemed like
[53:23.600 --> 53:29.080]  he was going to rule for me. And I don't know if he got pressured or what happened, but
[53:29.080 --> 53:34.480]  he ended up ruling against me. I didn't in the federal court saying that I didn't have
[53:34.480 --> 53:42.000]  standing due to a bankruptcy that I had filed prior. And the attorney that I had hired for
[53:42.000 --> 53:43.000]  the bankruptcy.
[53:43.000 --> 53:46.320]  How can you not have standing in a bankruptcy case?
[53:46.320 --> 53:53.880]  It was chapter seven. And I guess you're supposed to put on your schedule B that you're going
[53:53.880 --> 54:02.120]  to be doing future lawsuits. But at the time, I didn't have an enduring fact. I mean, the
[54:02.120 --> 54:05.400]  only enduring fact that had occurred.
[54:05.400 --> 54:12.360]  Okay. You're stipulating to something. You're making the affirmative statement. You're making
[54:12.360 --> 54:21.600]  an admission that you have no remedy. There may be a remedy that you're not aware of.
[54:21.600 --> 54:27.880]  So why would you want to stipulate to that? Why would you want to make that admission
[54:27.880 --> 54:31.240]  that you have no remedy?
[54:31.240 --> 54:34.920]  Or no actual damages rather.
[54:34.920 --> 54:42.840]  It worked out in my favor. I stipulated to an order authorizing sale because in Colorado,
[54:42.840 --> 54:48.640]  we have what's called a rule 120 hearing. It's a non-judicial, it's a quasi non-judicial
[54:48.640 --> 54:56.440]  hearing. You go before a judge and he can only rule on two things. Are you active military
[54:56.440 --> 55:00.600]  or are you in default? And that's it. And anything else you come up with, he can...
[55:00.600 --> 55:09.360]  Okay. That's not exactly what he rules on. He rules on whether or not a party has a right
[55:09.360 --> 55:16.480]  to possession. He can't go to title or anything. And we're real familiar with the 120 hearings.
[55:16.480 --> 55:18.800]  We always lose the 120 hearings.
[55:18.800 --> 55:24.800]  Yeah, you always lose those. It's a foregone conclusion. And so I went to several, I studied
[55:24.800 --> 55:29.960]  them. Nobody's winning here in Colorado. There's no lawyers out here that want to take your
[55:29.960 --> 55:30.960]  cases.
[55:30.960 --> 55:33.640]  Because they know they're going to lose.
[55:33.640 --> 55:39.400]  Yeah, they know they're going to lose. And so it's so bad and so oppressive that it's
[55:39.400 --> 55:44.160]  all bank. Everything's pro-bank, pro-bank, pro-bank. Well, anyway, I'm like, no, I'm
[55:44.160 --> 55:50.320]  not going down like this. So it's been a constant dog fight every step of the way. Well, I did
[55:50.320 --> 55:55.040]  the stipulated order authorizing sale and inserting a paragraph stating that I believe
[55:55.040 --> 56:00.800]  it was unconstitutional. Basically, it was no contest to think that, you know, a moot
[56:00.800 --> 56:01.800]  point.
[56:01.800 --> 56:07.000]  Okay, wait, hold on. Let me ask you a question about the chapter seven. Did you claim the
[56:07.000 --> 56:10.680]  property is unsecured?
[56:10.680 --> 56:13.480]  I believe it was secured.
[56:13.480 --> 56:24.120]  Okay. Okay. There's a specific reason why Randy's asking you this question. In bankruptcy,
[56:24.120 --> 56:29.400]  I would keep in mind bankruptcy is always federal. There are no state bankruptcy cases.
[56:29.400 --> 56:43.320]  PK is federal. So I would urge you to go read bankruptcy rule 3001. 3001. This is where
[56:43.320 --> 56:51.740]  a secure, a party claiming to have a secured interest in the property must prove his security
[56:51.740 --> 56:59.860]  interest. Think of what a bankruptcy court is. The duties of a bankruptcy court judge
[56:59.860 --> 57:06.920]  is to determine what property goes back to a secured creditor and what property or what
[57:06.920 --> 57:12.120]  debt associated with property is to be written off, okay?
[57:12.120 --> 57:23.200]  So if there is no secured party or if the debt is unsecured, then you write it off.
[57:23.200 --> 57:28.160]  Now look at the note in your mortgage documents, your mortgage instruments. Now see, we're
[57:28.160 --> 57:31.720]  going to run out of time. So if we run out of time, we'll go to break and I'll pick
[57:31.720 --> 57:38.600]  back up on this. But if there is no secured party or if the party claiming to be a secured
[57:38.600 --> 57:46.480]  party, it is proven otherwise, then that is unsecured debt and it's written off in the
[57:46.480 --> 57:54.240]  BK. Recoupment offset. This is something that BK judges are very, very familiar with. When
[57:54.240 --> 57:59.880]  we get back on the other side of this break, I'll get into more detail about how to prove
[57:59.880 --> 58:07.500]  that as an unsecured debt. 512, stay there with us, Lisa, and we'll come back to you
[58:07.500 --> 58:11.960]  on the other side of this break. Folks, we're coming up to the top of the hour break. So
[58:11.960 --> 58:21.440]  512-646-1984 is the number that you can dial to join us in conversation and we'll be back
[58:21.440 --> 58:27.300]  after the news. Randy? Yeah, think about this on the break. You have
[58:27.300 --> 58:35.360]  no duty to stipulate to anything. Absolutely. You claim you're the holder, Bubba? Prove
[58:35.360 --> 58:42.360]  it. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Roovelaw Radio, we'll be right back on the t'other
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[01:03:23.240 --> 01:03:50.680]  We were talking with Lisa in California. Lisa, before we get started, I'd like you to shoot
[01:03:50.680 --> 01:04:03.360]  an email to Randy at randyatruleoflawradio.com. That's randy, R-A-N-D-Y, at rule of law radio
[01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:10.480]  dot com. All one word, no underscores. But he'll get you in touch with a lady named
[01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:21.280]  Frances out in your neck of the woods. And y'all can brainstorm a little more on this.
[01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:25.840]  I actually have not even touched the tip of the iceberg.
[01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.320]  That's fine. Well, hang on. Before you go off on a tangent, I've got a tangent of my
[01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:36.200]  own. I've got something I'd like to offer you. But we were speaking before we went out,
[01:04:36.200 --> 01:04:42.160]  and I wanted to get in a little more detail about this. You were speaking about BK7. Proof
[01:04:42.160 --> 01:04:53.560]  of claim, bankruptcy, federal bankruptcy rule 3001, proof of claim. A, form and content.
[01:04:53.560 --> 01:04:59.800]  A proof of claim is a written statement setting forth a creditor's claim. A proof of claim
[01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:07.240]  shall conform substantially to the appropriate official form. B, who may execute. A proof
[01:05:07.240 --> 01:05:13.120]  of claim shall be executed, shall be, now in Texas statute, I don't know about federal
[01:05:13.120 --> 01:05:20.660]  but Texas statute, shall impose a duty. Proof of claim shall be executed by the creditor
[01:05:20.660 --> 01:05:30.040]  or creditor's authorized agent except as provided by rules 3004 and 3005. And you can
[01:05:30.040 --> 01:05:39.960]  see those to see if they apply. C, supporting information. Claim based on a writing. This
[01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.980]  is one, claim based on a writing. Except for a claim governed by paragraph three of this
[01:05:45.980 --> 01:05:54.840]  subdivision when a claim or an interest in property of the debtor securing the claim
[01:05:54.840 --> 01:06:01.240]  is based on a writing. They filed something in court, so their claim is based on a writing.
[01:06:01.240 --> 01:06:08.840]  A copy of the writing shall be filed with the proof of claim. Again, this is to the
[01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:18.600]  bankruptcy court, shall be filed with the proof of claim. If the writing has been lost
[01:06:18.600 --> 01:06:23.960]  or destroyed, a statement of the circumstances of the loss or destruction shall be filed
[01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:30.920]  with the claim. Two, additional requirements in additional debtor's cases, sanctions
[01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:39.480]  for failure to comply. Here's where it gets serious. In a case in which a debtor is an
[01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:49.760]  individual, that's you, A, if an addition to its principal amount, a claim including
[01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:57.200]  interest fees, expenses or other charges incurred before the petition was filed, an itemized
[01:06:57.200 --> 01:07:04.760]  statement of interest fees, expenses or charges shall be filed with the proof of claim.
[01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:09.040]  I could go on and on and on. This is a long page and I would highly recommend that you
[01:07:09.040 --> 01:07:16.640]  read this because this rule imposes a duty upon anybody coming into court claiming to
[01:07:16.640 --> 01:07:25.240]  have security interest in property, which is what all banks do when they come after
[01:07:25.240 --> 01:07:32.220]  your house in a foreclosure. Now, how do they perfect, they, the secured party, how do they
[01:07:32.220 --> 01:07:39.080]  perfect their security interest? You see, you can't just come to court and say, hey,
[01:07:39.080 --> 01:07:44.760]  I've got an interest in this property, let me have it. This is real property we're
[01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.880]  talking about. So you've got to go to the public record and see if somebody staked a
[01:07:49.880 --> 01:08:03.320]  person. Okay, perfection, this is a uniform commercial code, section 9312, 9-312, perfection
[01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:10.920]  of security interest in chattel paper, deposit accounts, documents, goods covered by documents,
[01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:21.960]  instruments, instrument property, excuse me, letters of credit and money perfected by permissive
[01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:29.200]  filing, pause, permissive filing means you go to the county recorders and you file your
[01:08:29.200 --> 01:08:40.560]  claim with the county recorder and temporary perfection wit. Now, I'm going to paraphrase
[01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:47.160]  this. What you're probably going to be most interested in reading is paragraphs E through
[01:08:47.160 --> 01:08:56.400]  H, echo through hotel, E through H. E through G is kind of a pick your situation and H are
[01:08:56.400 --> 01:09:05.200]  the consequences for not following this. What this section of law does is it allows a creditor,
[01:09:05.200 --> 01:09:12.700]  a 20 day temporary perfection of their security interest, which gives them 20 days from the
[01:09:12.700 --> 01:09:22.860]  time they acquire this interest, gives them 20 days to file their claim in the public
[01:09:22.860 --> 01:09:29.360]  county recorders, along with the land records in the county recorders office. If they fail
[01:09:29.360 --> 01:09:37.880]  within that 20 days to perfect their claim, then they are not going to be able to comply
[01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:47.440]  with rule 3001 of the BK rule. Therefore, the property is unsecured and the debt can
[01:09:47.440 --> 01:09:54.960]  be written off. Now, I've said all that with one question in mind. What are the chances
[01:09:54.960 --> 01:10:02.400]  of reopening your BK 7? Okay, so that's what I wanted to explain to you. I was booted out
[01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:06.880]  of the federal court, brought to the state court, brought before a corrupt judge. He
[01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:15.280]  quickly ruled against me. You don't do that in a BK. No, no, no. Okay, let's stick with
[01:10:15.280 --> 01:10:22.280]  the BK. My question is, what are the chances of reopening your BK 7? I already did. I opened
[01:10:22.280 --> 01:10:32.800]  the chapter 7 to strip some liens. The U.S. things filed an entry of appearance, but they've
[01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:38.720]  never filed a proof of claim, and they went and opposed my agreements when I came up with
[01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:49.160]  the trustee to acquire the standing. And then they entered an under the table deal with
[01:10:49.160 --> 01:10:56.680]  the trustee to acquire the standing for $10,000. So he named the agreement with me first, and
[01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:01.640]  then he underhandedly made one with them. And the ruling on that is going to be on the
[01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:07.120]  26th, if there's nobody that opposes it. And I sent out letters to all the creditors, telling
[01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:12.520]  them that they won't get any money. I'm going to win this case. I found proof of fraud.
[01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:20.320]  The note, the deed of trust, the assignment, they're all forgeries. I have proof.
[01:11:20.320 --> 01:11:24.120]  That's not going to do you any good in BK. I'll tell you that right now. It's not going
[01:11:24.120 --> 01:11:33.160]  to do you any good in BK. You need to refile BK, claim the property is unsecured. You have
[01:11:33.160 --> 01:11:42.960]  stipulated to standing of the claimant. You didn't make them prove it up.
[01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.560]  If you have listed it as secured, you need to cure that. You need to fix that.
[01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:53.480]  Okay. Let me tell you a quick story. Fort Worth, woman took direction, filed Chapter
[01:11:53.480 --> 01:11:58.800]  7, claimed the property is unsecured. The bank showed up with a bunch of paperwork.
[01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:04.800]  They're talking to the judge. The client said, Your Honor, counsel here has this big
[01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.520]  stack of paperwork that they're referencing in their statements. May I see them? And the
[01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:13.940]  judge said, Counselor, show them to her. She looks at them. They're her copies of her
[01:12:13.940 --> 01:12:19.660]  closing document. And she followed instruction well. She said, Your Honor, I've never seen
[01:12:19.660 --> 01:12:25.200]  these documents before. And the judge said, Well, isn't that your signature on these
[01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:29.960]  documents? No, Your Honor, I never signed these documents. I've never seen these before.
[01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:38.360]  And she said the judge ground on her for about 10 minutes, but she didn't back down. And
[01:12:38.360 --> 01:12:47.240]  she was telling the truth. These were supposedly true and accurate copies of documents they
[01:12:47.240 --> 01:12:53.220]  claimed she had signed. Well, they may or may not have been true or accurate copies,
[01:12:53.220 --> 01:12:58.280]  but whatever they were, she had never seen those documents before.
[01:12:58.280 --> 01:13:03.320]  And she certainly didn't sign them. That was not her signature.
[01:13:03.320 --> 01:13:09.440]  She said after about 10 minutes, the judge grinded on her. The judge smiled real big,
[01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:14.660]  turned to the lawyers and said, Well, Counselor, it seems as though she's never seen these
[01:13:14.660 --> 01:13:23.000]  documents before. You will have to bring the originals into my court. They set a hearing
[01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.320]  lawyers didn't show up. They wrote off their claim.
[01:13:27.320 --> 01:13:35.840]  Okay. With my hearing that I had recently, they were supposed to show up with the original,
[01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.720]  but the state court judge would not release them because I wrote into the state court
[01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:45.640]  judge an objection to letting them leave because a crime had been committed against me because
[01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:50.760]  of the fraud. And then I wanted the sheriff to deliver it, not just US Bank to come pick
[01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.880]  them up because they were all fraud. It was a crime against me.
[01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:56.440]  Did you file criminal charges against him?
[01:13:56.440 --> 01:14:02.240]  No, but he turned, listen to this, the state judge, the state judge, the same one who ruled
[01:14:02.240 --> 01:14:06.840]  against me, he said, you know what, I'm going to err on the side of caution. And he said,
[01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:12.200]  I'm going to turn this over to the district attorney and also to the local sheriff and
[01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:16.680]  I'm not releasing the originals. So we only let them have copies. Okay.
[01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:26.420]  Okay. Okay. Hold on. You need to file criminal charges with the prosecuting attorney. You
[01:14:26.420 --> 01:14:33.060]  need to file a verified criminal affidavit because what most likely has happened to judge
[01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:38.640]  called the prosecutor and said, Hey, you want to look this over? That invokes no duty on
[01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:43.120]  the part of the prosecutor. File verified criminal affidavits and actually
[01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:46.380]  Against who?
[01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:49.800]  Against whoever committed the fraud. Okay.
[01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:59.960]  And file it with a magistrate. Colorado law is almost identical to Texas law.
[01:14:59.960 --> 01:15:04.840]  Do I file a bankruptcy court or are the states-
[01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:06.840]  No. No. No.
[01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:07.840]  No.
[01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:15.720]  This is a state, you're making a state claim. So go to the state district attorney or better
[01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:24.220]  yet take it to a magistrate in the County in which the property is located. Verified
[01:15:24.220 --> 01:15:29.980]  criminal affidavit. You need to listen to the show more and you might want to go back
[01:15:29.980 --> 01:15:35.400]  and listen to the archive in the beginning. No, this one didn't talk about that. Uh, listen
[01:15:35.400 --> 01:15:39.400]  to the show more. We talk about how to run the routine on them.
[01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:44.920]  She's not going to have a whole lot of time to do this. She's got a hearing coming up.
[01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:51.480]  I have to have an answer. I have to put, uh, an opposition to this stupid agreement between
[01:15:51.480 --> 01:15:57.240]  U S bank and this trustee by the 26th. I've already filed that, but I needed another creditor
[01:15:57.240 --> 01:16:02.340]  to file it as well. So that is, it's, it's because otherwise part of that agreement is
[01:16:02.340 --> 01:16:06.240]  they get my standing and I'm going to lose all. Okay, wait a minute. You're talking so
[01:16:06.240 --> 01:16:10.320]  general. I have no idea what you're talking about here.
[01:16:10.320 --> 01:16:20.020]  Well, that's what I have a lot to talk about. There's a very complex case here on this radio
[01:16:20.020 --> 01:16:29.120]  show. You know, you have all the referential index, you know how everything sticks together.
[01:16:29.120 --> 01:16:34.480]  We don't have a clue and I'm trying to get it stuck together, but you're moving across
[01:16:34.480 --> 01:16:43.680]  these things so fast that I have no idea what's going on. Have you produced a timeline or
[01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:48.560]  a statement of facts? Well, let's get her timeline and statement
[01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:53.080]  of facts after this break, folks, we're going to break. We'll be right back. Five one two
[01:16:53.080 --> 01:17:01.000]  six four six 1984. We'll get you in line. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:25.700 --> 01:19:31.580]  Welcome back to Roodalola Radio, folks. You're listening to the Friday night four-hour marathon.
[01:19:31.580 --> 01:19:39.100]  We're how far along? Well, we're getting towards the end of it. Before we went to break, we're
[01:19:39.100 --> 01:19:45.060]  talking with Lisa in Colorado. And Lisa, I've got to play the heavy here. You've got some
[01:19:45.060 --> 01:19:50.820]  bad news coming and you're going to have to kind of wrap your mind around this. You've
[01:19:50.820 --> 01:19:55.680]  been in this fight for a long time and I understand you've got a very serious emotional and
[01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:01.060]  monetary investment in this, but you're going to have to look at the reality of this. You've
[01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:08.020]  created yourself a lot of roadblocks. You've missed a lot of very key points in your defense
[01:20:08.020 --> 01:20:14.020]  and it's going to be difficult to overcome them. I'm not saying it's going to be impossible. I'm
[01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:23.400]  going to say it's going to be difficult, very difficult. So in the way I see it, if I was in
[01:20:23.400 --> 01:20:31.180]  your position realizing where I'm at now, the first hurdle that I see that would be in my way
[01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:38.460]  would be the fact that you stipulated on your schedule F that the property was secured. If I
[01:20:38.460 --> 01:20:43.460]  had put myself in that position, that would be the first thing that I would want to reverse and
[01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:53.060]  I would do everything within my power to get that reversed. Here's why I say that. By
[01:20:53.060 --> 01:21:02.180]  stipulating to an alleged fact that the property is secured, you've taken away any controversy.
[01:21:02.180 --> 01:21:08.660]  There's nothing to fight about. If there's no controversy before the court, the judge is going
[01:21:08.660 --> 01:21:14.620]  to start looking at you and say, well, Ms. Lisa from Colorado, why didn't you raise these issues
[01:21:14.620 --> 01:21:21.380]  at the beginning? Do you mean to tell me that you've been wasting this court's time all along?
[01:21:21.380 --> 01:21:30.940]  You see when you file a suit, the court expects you to bring everything all at once, not trickle
[01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:37.340]  it in a little bit at a time. This is called acting in the interest of judicial economy.
[01:21:37.340 --> 01:21:44.540]  The courts do not like wasting time because they are overburdened already. As a matter of fact,
[01:21:44.540 --> 01:21:53.300]  they've got statutes to speed things up. But you've made a mistake here by what I see in
[01:21:53.300 --> 01:22:01.940]  claiming the property is as secured. If you had claimed or if you can claim on your schedule F
[01:22:01.940 --> 01:22:08.780]  that the property is unsecured, now you've put something to argue about back on the table. Now
[01:22:08.780 --> 01:22:14.400]  you've put some controversy before the court. Now you've given the court something that it
[01:22:14.400 --> 01:22:23.700]  has to come to a ruling on. But in my right tonight, not so humble opinion, that's what
[01:22:23.700 --> 01:22:27.060]  you're going to have to do first. And that's not going to be an easy task.
[01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:29.860]  I don't think I can. Okay.
[01:22:29.860 --> 01:22:37.060]  Okay, good, good. And hey, if you're up for that fight, then honey, go at it. Fists kicking and
[01:22:37.060 --> 01:22:43.620]  gouging and screaming and pull out all the essential parts and do it, get her done. You're
[01:22:43.620 --> 01:22:47.820]  going to have to change its status because right now you've taken any kind of controversy off the
[01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:56.900]  table. I have, last year, 11 news articles written about me. I was on Fox 31 News. They're ready to
[01:22:56.900 --> 01:22:59.740]  write another article. I've got the public eye on my-
[01:22:59.740 --> 01:23:04.340]  Okay, that's all well and good. But how does that help you in court?
[01:23:04.340 --> 01:23:16.060]  I had a state judge turn over those originals as evidence of a crime against me. And so I've got
[01:23:16.060 --> 01:23:22.540]  evidence of a crime. I've got a judge who's saying it's evidence of a crime. I've got proof of
[01:23:22.540 --> 01:23:27.180]  fraud. I've got a broken chain of title that I've been fighting and a civil conspiracy all along.
[01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:32.700]  The only thing I've ever been ruled against pretty much is my standing in bankruptcy court because I
[01:23:32.700 --> 01:23:38.140]  didn't list the future lawsuits in my Schedule B. That's-
[01:23:38.140 --> 01:23:45.260]  Okay, okay. Let's pause right there. Pause. In that regard, you said that you had not been
[01:23:46.060 --> 01:23:54.540]  injured. Well, let's talk about that for just a second. Okay. If this alleged debt is unsecured,
[01:23:54.540 --> 01:24:01.460]  Randy, you need to mute out. The fire trucks are going by. If you can successfully relist the
[01:24:01.460 --> 01:24:07.980]  property is unsecured. Have you not been damaged by having to go through all this by somebody who
[01:24:07.980 --> 01:24:12.300]  cannot prove a security interest? Absolutely.
[01:24:12.300 --> 01:24:19.420]  There you go. There's your lawsuit, honey. There's your future lawsuit. Once you get this
[01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:25.180]  written off, I'm gonna sue those sons of guns because they've harmed me. They put me through
[01:24:25.180 --> 01:24:36.380]  all this mess. I hope that gets you closer to where you need to be. Shoot Randy an email,
[01:24:36.380 --> 01:24:43.460]  Randy at Rule of Law Radio, and I'm sure he'll have some questions to ask you and see if we can
[01:24:43.460 --> 01:24:47.500]  get you in touch with some other people. And Lisa, I'd like to thank you for calling in tonight,
[01:24:47.500 --> 01:24:52.140]  but honey, we're gonna have to move along. We've got about a half an hour and two more callers.
[01:24:52.140 --> 01:24:59.740]  So call in next week and let us know how it goes. All right. Thanks. Okay. Thank you for calling.
[01:24:59.740 --> 01:25:08.180]  Okay. And if you'll give me an email, I will get it to Frances in Colorado. She has been tearing
[01:25:08.180 --> 01:25:16.500]  these folks up and she'll have a lot of things that you'll be able to do. And I suggest if you
[01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:24.980]  don't have a timeline, essentially a complete statement of facts, you absolutely need one.
[01:25:24.980 --> 01:25:32.740]  And if you'll put one together, if you don't have one, if you have one, great. Send that to me,
[01:25:32.740 --> 01:25:39.860]  and then you can call back and I can kind of figure out where you're at. There are about
[01:25:39.860 --> 01:25:48.180]  a hundred things that we can address here. Things that in what you've spoken to so far,
[01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:55.300]  I get no indication that you have looked at. So if I can get an idea of where you're at,
[01:25:55.300 --> 01:25:59.500]  I can pull out some of these things I think will be very good for you. For instance,
[01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:07.980]  have you sent a request to every notary that's in the public record for their
[01:26:07.980 --> 01:26:16.300]  notary ledger for a day before to a day after they supposedly acknowledged a document? Have
[01:26:16.300 --> 01:26:22.860]  you sent a request to every person who's affirmed a document that's filed in the record requesting
[01:26:22.860 --> 01:26:29.380]  evidence of power of attorney for those people? Have you sent a debt validation letter, qualified
[01:26:29.380 --> 01:26:37.700]  written request, a UCC 3-501 letter? There's all kinds of things you can send them to throw the
[01:26:37.700 --> 01:26:45.100]  brakes on this moving locomotive. Have you pulled all the records filed in the county clerk's office
[01:26:45.100 --> 01:26:54.780]  and looked at them very carefully to assess chain of title? Have you looked at the deed of trust and
[01:26:54.780 --> 01:27:02.620]  looked at all the covenants in the deed of trust and see if the other side has violated any of
[01:27:02.620 --> 01:27:10.300]  those covenants, especially covenant 16, where both parties agree to abide by all relevant law,
[01:27:10.300 --> 01:27:19.700]  have they violated any laws? That gives you a breach of contract claim. There's a lot of things
[01:27:19.700 --> 01:27:28.740]  we can do. If you get us a timeline, then when we talk about this, I get a good idea of where you're
[01:27:28.740 --> 01:27:36.740]  at in the overall scheme of things. There's a lot you can do and bankruptcy is not the end-all.
[01:27:36.740 --> 01:27:46.540]  There's a whole lot of other ways of going after these guys. Okay, so send me an email. I'll get
[01:27:46.540 --> 01:27:53.140]  it to Frances and once you talk to Frances, she is really good. Okay, sounds good. Thank you so much
[01:27:53.140 --> 01:27:58.620]  guys. I appreciate it. Thank you for calling in tonight. And stay in touch. Let us know how this
[01:27:58.620 --> 01:28:08.860]  goes. All right, thanks. Bye. Thank you. Okay, we're going to go to Gary in Texas. Hello, Gary.
[01:28:08.860 --> 01:28:15.380]  What do you have for us today? Hey, guys. You know, I kind of wish that we could have,
[01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:22.520]  that y'all would be able to do a show where 100% of the content is due process because there's so
[01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:33.300]  much to it. Question, I'm looking at a magistrate's warning form given by a magistrate. Hey, Gary,
[01:28:33.300 --> 01:28:39.580]  you've got some real strong background noise there. Sounds like you're rustling paper or maybe
[01:28:39.580 --> 01:28:45.560]  rubbing your whiskers on the receiver there. No problem. I'll fix it. Thanks for letting me
[01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:57.420]  know. Okay, I'm looking at a magistrate's warning form and it has the standard warnings that we
[01:28:57.420 --> 01:29:04.540]  read about in Article 16 Code of Criminal Procedure. For example, you have a right to an
[01:29:04.540 --> 01:29:09.620]  attorney, a right to have an attorney present, right to remain silent, not required to make a
[01:29:09.620 --> 01:29:14.420]  statement, you have a right to stop the interview at any time. And then this one is interesting. It
[01:29:14.420 --> 01:29:20.580]  says you have the right to an examining trial. And then in parentheses, it says felonies only.
[01:29:20.580 --> 01:29:35.700]  Not true. I know. I know it's not true. But this document is evidence that they have no
[01:29:35.700 --> 01:29:42.820]  intent of providing the required examination trial to one who's been arrested. Okay,
[01:29:42.820 --> 01:29:46.660]  we're about to go to break. That should get criminal charges against the magistrate.
[01:29:46.660 --> 01:29:50.780]  Yeah. And this is great. We'll talk about that when we come back on the other side.
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[01:33:34.740 --> 01:33:56.020]  Okay. We are back. Brandi Kelton, Steve Skidmore. We're by radio and we're talking to Gary in Texas.
[01:33:56.020 --> 01:34:02.820]  Okay, Gary, where were we? Okay. We were mentioning the fact that on this magistrate's
[01:34:02.820 --> 01:34:11.460]  warning that it states that you only have a right to an examining trial in felonies only.
[01:34:13.540 --> 01:34:23.060]  That should get a criminal complaint against the JP. And I'm going to tell you for certain, Gary,
[01:34:24.420 --> 01:34:30.500]  when you start filing actions against them, they really do get excited.
[01:34:30.500 --> 01:34:37.060]  Now, they're going to do everything they can to keep you from knowing how excited they're getting.
[01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:46.020]  It's like the bully on a high school parking lot that's got a really beat up shoulder.
[01:34:47.060 --> 01:34:51.620]  He's not going to hold that shoulder out to you and say, you see this spot right here?
[01:34:51.620 --> 01:34:57.220]  Don't hit me there because it really hurts. If you hit them in a weak spot,
[01:34:57.220 --> 01:35:02.660]  they're going to do everything they can to hide it. But it has been my experience.
[01:35:02.660 --> 01:35:10.980]  Like in the county, I'm in Wise County, and I went to the chief of police and talked to him.
[01:35:12.500 --> 01:35:21.140]  And before I could get to the county attorney, the county attorney, district attorney, sheriff,
[01:35:21.140 --> 01:35:27.460]  and I suspect both of the county and district judge knew all about what I had been doing.
[01:35:29.220 --> 01:35:35.620]  I talked to the district attorney, and he knew everything I had been doing.
[01:35:37.220 --> 01:35:44.180]  And he didn't have anything to do with any of it. So when you start stinging these guys,
[01:35:44.180 --> 01:35:53.300]  everybody finds out about it. So if you sting this judge criminally and use his own documentation
[01:35:53.300 --> 01:36:01.300]  of evidence of his criminal behavior, you're likely to have every J.P. in the state of Texas
[01:36:02.660 --> 01:36:06.420]  hopping up and down trying to figure out how to keep this from happening to them.
[01:36:06.420 --> 01:36:13.380]  This is politics. This is what we're finding out. The politics is really where the power is.
[01:36:13.380 --> 01:36:22.660]  Well, you know, this seems to me like this is a domino effect because it's evident, this is
[01:36:22.660 --> 01:36:30.180]  evidence that, issued by their own hand, that they don't conduct these examination trials.
[01:36:30.180 --> 01:36:44.740]  You know, I just think if I'm the J.P., and, you know, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just an ordinary guy,
[01:36:44.740 --> 01:36:49.620]  and I get into this office, and I go down and get all my training, and they tell me how to do all
[01:36:49.620 --> 01:36:56.340]  this stuff, and the prosecutors, they tell me how to do all this stuff. And then all of a sudden,
[01:36:56.340 --> 01:37:02.260]  I've got somebody laying chapter and verse on me and trying to get me arrested.
[01:37:05.140 --> 01:37:09.620]  What the heck? Then I'm going to run to these guys that's been telling me
[01:37:10.820 --> 01:37:14.260]  how to do all this stuff, and they're going to say, oh, don't worry about it,
[01:37:14.260 --> 01:37:21.780]  he's just some kind of wacko. But when they read the code, you know, I went to my
[01:37:21.780 --> 01:37:31.380]  chief of police, and I have to give the police credit. They really do seem to want to follow
[01:37:31.380 --> 01:37:37.700]  law, and I don't know if it's because they're really great guys, and I suspect to a large degree
[01:37:37.700 --> 01:37:43.700]  it is, they want to be the good guys. Or if it's just they're afraid of getting clobbered,
[01:37:43.700 --> 01:37:50.020]  because, you know, police feel like they're on the bottom rung. But when I started demonstrating
[01:37:50.020 --> 01:37:57.540]  code to them, they really paid attention. And, you know, especially when I demonstrated how
[01:37:57.540 --> 01:38:04.500]  the officer was put in a position to where he's going to have to answer to a grand jury because
[01:38:04.500 --> 01:38:11.700]  what somebody else told him to do, it was real clear in that room I was in that they were not
[01:38:11.700 --> 01:38:23.540]  upset at me at all, but they were really, really unhappy. Things are coming down on them that
[01:38:23.540 --> 01:38:27.060]  because they did what they were told to do and what they thought was right.
[01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:34.420]  Then to have some pro se come in and tell them exactly how a cow eats cabbage.
[01:38:34.420 --> 01:38:41.860]  Yeah. Well, if you tell, you know, and Gary, Gary is excellent, Steve. Gary is exactly why,
[01:38:41.860 --> 01:38:50.180]  yeah, he's why we do this show, because he's just, he's cool and calm and really inoffensive
[01:38:50.180 --> 01:38:59.380]  and just takes the code and cram it right down their throat and do it politely and with what the
[01:38:59.380 --> 01:39:09.060]  Bible would call humility. He's humble. Humble does not mean weak, receding. It means quiet
[01:39:09.060 --> 01:39:14.980]  strength. If anything's going to change these things, this is what's going to do it.
[01:39:15.940 --> 01:39:24.420]  So I've got, I want to ask a question. This to me creates a domino effect because if the magistrate
[01:39:24.420 --> 01:39:33.380]  clearly failed to do his duty with the accused, then the next step is the accused is ordered to
[01:39:33.380 --> 01:39:40.500]  go before, whether it's a JP or county court judge for an arraignment. And I'm going, well,
[01:39:40.500 --> 01:39:48.900]  wait a minute, sir, you have a file there. That's got evidence against this accused person.
[01:39:48.900 --> 01:39:55.460]  Where'd you get it? He's been listening. Calling me here. I have not, there has been no
[01:39:56.100 --> 01:40:04.100]  examination trial. This court has no jurisdiction to call me even or to, and then to order me or
[01:40:04.100 --> 01:40:11.540]  the, it's not me in this case, but to order the accused under threat of arrest when you don't even
[01:40:11.540 --> 01:40:22.420]  have jurisdiction because this first guy failed. And that's exactly why I'm suggesting that
[01:40:23.700 --> 01:40:32.020]  instead of challenging the standing of another party, we challenge the subject matter
[01:40:32.020 --> 01:40:41.860]  jurisdiction of the court. When I went to the prosecuting attorney, to the county attorney,
[01:40:41.860 --> 01:40:51.540]  he already knew I was coming and he knew why. Because the police officer told me that the
[01:40:51.540 --> 01:40:56.420]  prosecuting attorney told him not to file the complaint. Before I could get there,
[01:40:56.420 --> 01:41:03.140]  they called him and told him that I'd probably be showing up. And that was why. When the prosecutor
[01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:11.540]  came out to talk to me, he said, Mr. Kelton, do you think I am out of my mind? Do you really think
[01:41:11.540 --> 01:41:21.300]  I would waive my sovereign immunity? He knew exactly where I was going immediately. When he
[01:41:21.300 --> 01:41:30.420]  gives advice to the police, he's outside his sovereign immunity. A judge, when he lacks
[01:41:30.420 --> 01:41:36.900]  subject matter jurisdiction, he's outside sovereign immunity. So instead of asking the judge to
[01:41:36.900 --> 01:41:47.620]  exercise his judicial discretion and make a determination of standing, we say we challenge
[01:41:47.620 --> 01:41:54.820]  subject matter jurisdiction because this party had no standing to invoke your jurisdiction.
[01:41:57.060 --> 01:42:01.140]  That changes the politics, not the law. Does that make sense, Gary?
[01:42:02.100 --> 01:42:05.940]  It does. What you last said, that did ring really true.
[01:42:07.380 --> 01:42:13.300]  So now we've got the judge dancing. He said, if you don't rule this one right,
[01:42:13.300 --> 01:42:21.620]  we come back and sue you. Everything's political. And that's what's going on in the county I live
[01:42:21.620 --> 01:42:35.140]  in. I've been around long enough that they realize that I'm not going away. And this prosecution in
[01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:42.020]  Cherokee County really hurt me. But in some respects, it helped me because they all thought
[01:42:42.020 --> 01:42:45.380]  I was history and then all of a sudden I'm back again and they don't know how.
[01:42:47.380 --> 01:42:48.100]  And stronger.
[01:42:48.980 --> 01:42:54.900]  And stronger, yeah. And the one thing that really seemed to get them
[01:42:56.660 --> 01:43:03.860]  was when I told them that I wasn't after them, I'm not after you, I want to work this up to the top,
[01:43:03.860 --> 01:43:12.820]  I need to get to a state level official so that I can take that official down to Travis County.
[01:43:14.260 --> 01:43:20.900]  That's what everybody got really tense. As long as I'm going to dance around within the county,
[01:43:20.900 --> 01:43:24.980]  they kind of feel like the good old boy system is going to protect them.
[01:43:24.980 --> 01:43:34.740]  But when I talked about bringing it out of the county, that changed everything.
[01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:40.660]  Did you have a question? I just kind of walked over you, Gary. Hang on,
[01:43:40.660 --> 01:43:43.700]  we'll be back on the other side. This is Randy Kelton. Thank you.
[01:43:44.980 --> 01:43:48.500]  He's getting more rules on radio. We'll be right back.
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[01:46:21.540 --> 01:46:42.100]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Gary in
[01:46:42.100 --> 01:46:48.580]  Texas. Okay, Gary, I need to stop talking and let you ask any questions or make comments.
[01:46:48.580 --> 01:46:56.900]  All right. Thank you, man. Hey, real quick. So back to going and filing against the magistrate.
[01:46:56.900 --> 01:47:03.220]  All right. So a couple of weeks ago, I went to the district attorney to ask about some complaints
[01:47:03.220 --> 01:47:08.500]  that I had filed six months ago. He basically told me that nothing happened with them and they
[01:47:08.500 --> 01:47:13.460]  pretty much just got trashed. He didn't do anything with them. So I said, well, I...
[01:47:13.460 --> 01:47:15.540]  They filed them in the circular file.
[01:47:15.540 --> 01:47:20.740]  In the circular file. So I said, well, I got about 15 more verified criminal complaints here for you
[01:47:20.740 --> 01:47:25.620]  and I want you to do something with these this time like you're commanded in statute.
[01:47:25.620 --> 01:47:37.140]  He said, no. I said, okay. So I went to the district judge to have the judge rule on a habeas
[01:47:37.140 --> 01:47:45.060]  corpus. The judge denied to even read it stating, or not, that's not true. The judge read it, but
[01:47:45.060 --> 01:47:50.820]  said that there was no jurisdiction for the district court to handle it. I said, okay, fine.
[01:47:50.820 --> 01:47:56.500]  Where do I go? It struck me to go to the county court. I said, okay, by the way, I want to invoke
[01:47:56.500 --> 01:48:02.420]  your duties as a magistrate. I have some verified criminal complaints. I'd like you to do what
[01:48:02.420 --> 01:48:08.500]  statute commands you to do with them. And I've started to hand them to her and she put her hands
[01:48:08.500 --> 01:48:16.180]  up and said, I can't take those. And I said, are you refusing to take these? Yes. I said...
[01:48:16.180 --> 01:48:19.460]  Was she, whoa, wait a minute. Was she a witness to these crimes?
[01:48:21.940 --> 01:48:22.440]  No.
[01:48:22.980 --> 01:48:26.100]  Okay. Then she can magistrate.
[01:48:27.140 --> 01:48:27.640]  Yes.
[01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:36.440]  Yes. So let me just get to the quick. So I said, well, if you're not going to take them,
[01:48:36.440 --> 01:48:43.320]  can you please instruct me as to where I need to go with them? And I was told go to the district
[01:48:43.320 --> 01:48:49.080]  attorney. Well, I didn't tell her that I'd been and he'd refused. I said, and what do I do if the
[01:48:49.080 --> 01:48:56.360]  district attorney refuses to take these criminal complaints? And the judge says, I don't really
[01:48:56.360 --> 01:49:01.400]  know. And I said, well, I guess I have the option of going to the grand jury. And the judge looked
[01:49:01.400 --> 01:49:06.200]  at me and says, you're not allowed to talk to the grand jury. Only the DA is.
[01:49:06.200 --> 01:49:07.480]  Oh, excuse me?
[01:49:08.440 --> 01:49:14.680]  I know. So my point is they've got this little thing wrapped up. You, they don't allow you to
[01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:19.720]  penetrate the bubble and get these criminal complaints. So I'm going, where do I go? Do I
[01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:26.760]  go federal and file against them in federal court for failure to uphold state law? What do I do?
[01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:32.520]  Her response?
[01:49:35.080 --> 01:49:39.000]  Was that a question to the, was that a rhetorical question to the judge or was
[01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:42.040]  a real question or is that a question to us?
[01:49:43.080 --> 01:49:44.200]  That's a question to you.
[01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:45.500]  Okay.
[01:49:45.500 --> 01:49:49.660]  Nobody, if nobody in this County will accept my verified criminal complaints,
[01:49:49.660 --> 01:49:51.340]  which really need to be filed.
[01:49:52.300 --> 01:49:54.300]  You bring them to Travis County.
[01:49:55.980 --> 01:50:00.140]  You bring criminal complaints against the district judge to Travis County.
[01:50:01.100 --> 01:50:01.600]  Okay.
[01:50:03.660 --> 01:50:12.060]  I can't find anything in code that restricts the jurisdiction of a grand jury to hear a complaint
[01:50:12.060 --> 01:50:14.220]  within the state of Texas.
[01:50:15.100 --> 01:50:15.600]  Okay.
[01:50:16.220 --> 01:50:20.140]  It's just, these are state grand juries. They're not County grand juries.
[01:50:21.900 --> 01:50:25.900]  So bring them out of state, bring them to Travis County.
[01:50:25.900 --> 01:50:26.940]  Bring them out of County.
[01:50:27.900 --> 01:50:28.940]  Bring them out of County.
[01:50:29.740 --> 01:50:36.460]  What, what had the most effect on my County is when I told them I was going to take the,
[01:50:36.460 --> 01:50:42.780]  the district judge out of Wise County and file it with a grand jury in Travis County.
[01:50:43.740 --> 01:50:47.420]  And all of a sudden they had something that was totally out of their control.
[01:50:48.540 --> 01:50:49.040]  Yeah.
[01:50:49.900 --> 01:50:54.540]  I also told them that when I mentioned Judge Fostell in Austin, the district attorney said,
[01:50:54.540 --> 01:50:55.740]  oh, that flake.
[01:50:58.780 --> 01:51:00.060]  He really did say that.
[01:51:00.060 --> 01:51:02.380]  So, so he's not well thought of.
[01:51:02.380 --> 01:51:11.100]  So he's not well thought of. And so this kind of, it gives them the idea that I was operating
[01:51:11.100 --> 01:51:15.020]  at a level beyond their political reach.
[01:51:16.860 --> 01:51:22.940]  And I think that's, a lot of that had to do with why they, and actually I was,
[01:51:24.540 --> 01:51:28.780]  because I have a lot more clout in Travis County at the moment than I do anywhere else.
[01:51:29.500 --> 01:51:30.700]  So, yeah, yeah.
[01:51:30.700 --> 01:51:35.260]  And, and that's the, you know, this is out of the, once you get out of their good old
[01:51:35.260 --> 01:51:39.740]  boy group, they don't feel like they'll be protected by Travis County.
[01:51:40.860 --> 01:51:41.180]  Right.
[01:51:41.180 --> 01:51:43.980]  Well, listen, out of respect for the last caller, I'm going to get off.
[01:51:43.980 --> 01:51:45.260]  I'm going to do exactly that.
[01:51:45.900 --> 01:51:46.700]  Thank you very much.
[01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:47.820]  Okay.
[01:51:47.820 --> 01:51:48.620]  Thank you, Gary.
[01:51:49.340 --> 01:51:50.780]  Appreciate you calling in tonight.
[01:51:51.900 --> 01:51:56.060]  Now we're going to Danny in Texas and I'm sorry we held you so long, Danny.
[01:51:56.060 --> 01:51:59.420]  Hello?
[01:51:59.420 --> 01:51:59.820]  You there?
[01:52:03.900 --> 01:52:06.140]  We can barely hear you kind of Danny.
[01:52:07.660 --> 01:52:07.900]  Yeah.
[01:52:08.700 --> 01:52:09.500]  There he is.
[01:52:12.460 --> 01:52:12.940]  You're on.
[01:52:14.300 --> 01:52:14.700]  Okay.
[01:52:17.980 --> 01:52:18.380]  Okay.
[01:52:18.380 --> 01:52:20.140]  We are having a terrible time.
[01:52:20.940 --> 01:52:22.620]  I'm just getting bits and pieces.
[01:52:22.620 --> 01:52:23.900]  Give us a mic check, Danny.
[01:52:25.900 --> 01:52:26.060]  Okay.
[01:52:26.060 --> 01:52:28.060]  We can, I can see that you're talking.
[01:52:28.060 --> 01:52:33.260]  I get a little, little movement, but, uh, I'm not getting any sound from you.
[01:52:36.780 --> 01:52:38.220]  Tell you what, Danny call back in.
[01:52:38.220 --> 01:52:39.340]  We got a bad connection.
[01:52:39.340 --> 01:52:39.980]  Make it quick.
[01:52:39.980 --> 01:52:41.420]  Cause we're almost to the end of the show.
[01:52:41.420 --> 01:52:41.820]  Yeah.
[01:52:44.380 --> 01:52:45.020]  Okay.
[01:52:45.020 --> 01:52:50.620]  This is, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm
[01:52:50.620 --> 01:52:55.500]  going to, okay, this is a real pleased with, uh, with Gary.
[01:52:55.500 --> 01:53:03.580]  If we can get Gary to start filing in another County, as soon as he gives those to a district
[01:53:04.220 --> 01:53:09.100]  attorney in Travis County, the first thing that district attorney is going to do is call
[01:53:09.100 --> 01:53:13.820]  down to, to bear County and fire and ask, what the heck is going on?
[01:53:14.860 --> 01:53:19.020]  Why have I got a guy up here trying to get me to present you to a grand jury?
[01:53:19.020 --> 01:53:21.900]  And that's, yeah, that's the politics we want to have.
[01:53:21.900 --> 01:53:24.300]  And that's the one thing I'm finding out.
[01:53:24.300 --> 01:53:26.860]  There is a really good network.
[01:53:28.060 --> 01:53:35.580]  These guys, they must be afraid of something because they're on the go ahead.
[01:53:36.140 --> 01:53:37.500]  Well, I say, what makes you say that?
[01:53:38.380 --> 01:53:43.500]  Well, every time I do something, everybody knows about it.
[01:53:44.940 --> 01:53:47.340]  Before I get to them, they know why I'm coming.
[01:53:47.340 --> 01:53:51.660]  They know why I'm coming and they know everything else that's going on.
[01:53:53.340 --> 01:53:57.740]  And that realization has caused me to change the way I do things.
[01:53:59.420 --> 01:54:03.100]  Primarily it's caused me to get a lot more circumspect.
[01:54:05.420 --> 01:54:08.540]  I don't tell them anywhere near as much.
[01:54:08.540 --> 01:54:16.860]  They know what I've been doing, but they don't know that I know that they know what I've been
[01:54:16.860 --> 01:54:17.360]  doing.
[01:54:19.340 --> 01:54:26.780]  And so they expect me to tell them or to complain, Oh, I went here and he did this.
[01:54:26.780 --> 01:54:28.140]  I went here and he did that.
[01:54:28.140 --> 01:54:29.820]  I don't do any of that kind of stuff.
[01:54:31.020 --> 01:54:34.300]  I go to them and ask them to do what I want them to do.
[01:54:34.300 --> 01:54:35.740]  And I don't explain why.
[01:54:35.740 --> 01:54:42.540]  I don't explain why I'm to them instead of going somewhere else, unless they ask specifically.
[01:54:42.540 --> 01:54:44.860]  And then I say, Oh, been there.
[01:54:45.900 --> 01:54:47.900]  I don't give them any details.
[01:54:47.900 --> 01:54:51.740]  It seems to make them really nervous when you don't give them details.
[01:54:53.580 --> 01:54:56.460]  When you just go in and ask them to do something.
[01:54:56.460 --> 01:54:59.500]  And one thing I always feel like you're setting them up.
[01:54:59.500 --> 01:55:04.940]  Exactly what it is.
[01:55:04.940 --> 01:55:08.540]  And that's what I want them to feel because they're right.
[01:55:08.540 --> 01:55:09.020]  I am.
[01:55:09.020 --> 01:55:12.860]  I told my prosecuting attorney today, the same thing I say here on the air all the time.
[01:55:13.740 --> 01:55:17.820]  Never ask public official to do anything you actually want him to do.
[01:55:19.820 --> 01:55:21.100]  You told him that?
[01:55:21.100 --> 01:55:21.820]  Yeah, I did.
[01:55:21.820 --> 01:55:28.700]  And he got this kind of quizzical look on his face.
[01:55:28.700 --> 01:55:34.300]  So that's because you never ask a public official to do anything that the law does not specifically
[01:55:34.300 --> 01:55:35.420]  require him to do.
[01:55:36.300 --> 01:55:38.220]  And then, Oh, I got it.
[01:55:39.100 --> 01:55:44.300]  It's when they don't do what you're required to do, then you get to hammer them and step
[01:55:44.300 --> 01:55:45.340]  up to the next level.
[01:55:45.340 --> 01:55:48.860]  So I'm always trying to get to the highest level guy I can.
[01:55:48.860 --> 01:55:51.180]  Hang on, Randy, I see that Danny's back.
[01:55:51.180 --> 01:55:53.180]  Danny, let's check your mic again.
[01:55:57.180 --> 01:55:58.700]  That's a little better.
[01:55:58.700 --> 01:55:59.180]  Go ahead.
[01:56:01.180 --> 01:56:01.980]  What do you got?
[01:56:01.980 --> 01:56:04.620]  No, Danny, I'm sorry.
[01:56:04.620 --> 01:56:05.900]  We still don't have you.
[01:56:05.900 --> 01:56:08.220]  We're getting about every other syllable.
[01:56:12.220 --> 01:56:13.420]  No, we still don't have you.
[01:56:13.420 --> 01:56:24.780]  It must be a weather inversion or something, but we can't get you.
[01:56:25.420 --> 01:56:28.220]  We can tell you're there, but we can't tell what you're saying, man.
[01:56:29.580 --> 01:56:29.900]  Okay.
[01:56:32.140 --> 01:56:32.460]  Okay.
[01:56:32.460 --> 01:56:33.180]  Sorry, Danny.
[01:56:33.180 --> 01:56:44.060]  But anyway, what I'm finding out is this whole thing of realizing that we are the masters.
[01:56:46.220 --> 01:56:53.260]  And when we go in and act like the masters, act like the CEO or the chairman of the board,
[01:56:53.260 --> 01:57:03.900]  and simply we, you know, insist that, or not insist, but direct our public officials to
[01:57:03.900 --> 01:57:04.860]  do things.
[01:57:04.860 --> 01:57:06.700]  They're not accustomed to that.
[01:57:08.220 --> 01:57:13.980]  They're accustomed to people negotiating with them or pleading with them and asking
[01:57:13.980 --> 01:57:14.300]  them.
[01:57:14.300 --> 01:57:14.860]  I don't ask.
[01:57:15.740 --> 01:57:17.180]  I tell them what I want them to do.
[01:57:17.820 --> 01:57:19.820]  And when they say, no, it's like Gary.
[01:57:19.820 --> 01:57:20.940]  Gary really gets it.
[01:57:20.940 --> 01:57:22.380]  Okay.
[01:57:22.380 --> 01:57:27.020]  And then he walks away from them because he realizes it won't do any good to try to argue
[01:57:27.020 --> 01:57:27.660]  with these guys.
[01:57:28.940 --> 01:57:32.700]  These guys are very accustomed to arguing with people.
[01:57:32.700 --> 01:57:34.300]  Confrontation is what they do.
[01:57:35.180 --> 01:57:37.660]  They do confrontation all day, every day.
[01:57:39.420 --> 01:57:41.980]  While that's their strength, it's also their weakness.
[01:57:43.340 --> 01:57:49.580]  When you go in and you don't give them confrontation, you just tell them to do it.
[01:57:49.580 --> 01:57:52.780]  You just tell them what you want them to do.
[01:57:52.780 --> 01:57:57.180]  And when they don't, well, Bubba, life's filled with little decisions.
[01:57:58.620 --> 01:57:59.660]  That one's yours.
[01:57:59.660 --> 01:58:01.500]  We'll just go to the next step.
[01:58:01.500 --> 01:58:03.740]  Actually, I don't even tell them I'm going to the next step.
[01:58:06.540 --> 01:58:11.260]  Gary demonstrated by his response is exactly what to do.
[01:58:11.260 --> 01:58:13.500]  Say, okay, and just leave.
[01:58:13.500 --> 01:58:19.500]  When you do that, they watch you go out the door and they think, what has that chump got
[01:58:19.500 --> 01:58:21.580]  up his sleeve that I don't know about.
[01:58:24.380 --> 01:58:28.220]  And I really like it when that, it really feels good to do that to them.
[01:58:28.220 --> 01:58:30.540]  They're not satisfied that it's over yet.
[01:58:31.340 --> 01:58:31.740]  Right.
[01:58:33.020 --> 01:58:33.900]  Okay.
[01:58:33.900 --> 01:58:35.740]  Unfortunately, this is over.
[01:58:36.460 --> 01:58:36.780]  Yep.
[01:58:36.780 --> 01:58:37.660]  Thank you.
[01:58:37.660 --> 01:58:38.940]  Thank you all for listening.
[01:58:38.940 --> 01:58:42.380]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Root of Law Radio.
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