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[00:07.740 --> 00:15.760]  This is Jessica Arman, here with your Liberty Beat for April 17, 2014.
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[01:06.680 --> 01:11.520]  One of China's leading digital currency exchanges has installed the country's first Bitcoin
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[04:15.920 --> 04:22.800]  Good evening and welcome here on this 17th of April, Thursday, April 17th, 2014.
[04:22.800 --> 04:25.560]  It is 6 p.m. in the Central Time Zone.
[04:25.560 --> 04:32.360]  It's time therefore for INN World Report Radio, International Newsnet World Report, two nights
[04:32.360 --> 04:37.000]  a week here on the Logos Radio Network on Tuesdays as well as Thursday night.
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[04:41.800 --> 04:46.560]  And I have to say that because International Newsnet is international.
[04:46.560 --> 04:53.720]  Not only do we like to focus on a lot of international stories that are not being well covered or
[04:53.720 --> 04:57.720]  properly covered, I should say, by the American mainstream media, but also because we have
[04:57.720 --> 04:59.760]  listeners that are international as well.
[04:59.760 --> 05:05.920]  I just got an email today from Colin in Northern Ireland listening to the show, loves the show.
[05:05.920 --> 05:09.320]  And big shout out if Colin is listening to the program.
[05:09.320 --> 05:10.880]  Thank you very much.
[05:10.880 --> 05:12.320]  And how did he do that?
[05:12.320 --> 05:13.680]  Well, I should step back.
[05:13.680 --> 05:15.040]  My name, by the way, is Tom Kiley.
[05:15.040 --> 05:17.800]  I guess in my enthusiasm, I forgot to mention that.
[05:17.800 --> 05:22.280]  I assume many of you know that already, but that's not a fair assumption.
[05:22.280 --> 05:27.280]  In any case, the way that Colin was able to do that so easily is the same way you can.
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[05:45.000 --> 05:50.720]  to my attention right away, and I'll be happy to correspond with you.
[05:50.720 --> 05:56.320]  And of course, the even more preferred method is, or the additional method I should say,
[05:56.320 --> 06:02.800]  is for you to just pick up the phone and give us a call, because right now the phone lines
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[06:16.560 --> 06:21.140]  And we'll be joined at the bottom of this hour in about 20 minutes, 25 minutes or so
[06:21.140 --> 06:25.600]  by my friend Joe Calhoun out in Colorado.
[06:25.600 --> 06:30.040]  If you're a regular listener to the show, you've heard Joe on numerous times.
[06:30.040 --> 06:33.560]  He's been working on this Ukraine situation quite a bit.
[06:33.560 --> 06:36.160]  He's got a newsflash, apparently.
[06:36.160 --> 06:43.640]  It looks like there may be some false flags going on to try to provoke a further degeneration
[06:43.640 --> 06:50.000]  of the situation in the Ukraine, particularly the eastern part of the Ukraine, where things
[06:50.000 --> 06:56.280]  don't look pretty now for the puppet regime that the United States government has installed,
[06:56.280 --> 07:03.720]  the overthrow of the democratically elected government is as distasteful as that government
[07:03.720 --> 07:04.720]  may be.
[07:04.720 --> 07:09.960]  It was elected by apparently a large percentage of the population.
[07:09.960 --> 07:14.480]  And I think something like 40 some percent, but that's a parliamentary system.
[07:14.480 --> 07:20.200]  So they've got many parties and that was the largest block of votes.
[07:20.200 --> 07:24.220]  What the United States did was to pick some wackadoodles that were down the line that
[07:24.220 --> 07:30.320]  probably got less than 10 percent of the vote and put them in charge by just basically driving
[07:30.320 --> 07:33.020]  the elected government out of office.
[07:33.020 --> 07:34.100]  That's all well and good.
[07:34.100 --> 07:38.440]  If you're a neocon running the show here in the United States and that's what you want,
[07:38.440 --> 07:44.680]  you tell everybody democracy, democracy, democracy while you thwart democracy at the same time.
[07:44.680 --> 07:52.000]  You do all kinds of false flag things while you accuse anybody who's trying to prevent
[07:52.000 --> 07:56.760]  you from overthrowing their government of doing the same thing.
[07:56.760 --> 07:58.560]  And that's the kind of thing that's going on right now.
[07:58.560 --> 08:02.760]  There's a report, if you can believe this, and Joe will be talking about this, but there's
[08:02.760 --> 08:10.520]  a report coming from the eastern Ukraine now that get this ready for this, that Jews in
[08:10.520 --> 08:11.720]  the eastern Ukraine.
[08:11.720 --> 08:17.880]  Now that's the predominantly Russian part, the part that used to actually be part of
[08:17.880 --> 08:23.680]  Russia as well as the Crimea, which used to be part of Russia, but I can go into that.
[08:23.680 --> 08:31.880]  But there's a report now that in USA Today, of all places, here I'll read it to you.
[08:31.880 --> 08:38.000]  Leaflet tells Jews to register in east Ukraine.
[08:38.000 --> 08:43.160]  World leaders and Jewish groups condemned a leaflet handed out in the eastern Ukrainian
[08:43.160 --> 08:52.600]  city of Donetsk, in which Jews were told to, quote, register with the pro-Russian militants
[08:52.600 --> 08:59.680]  who have taken over a government office in an attempt to make Ukraine part of Russia,
[08:59.680 --> 09:04.440]  according to Ukrainian and Israeli media.
[09:04.440 --> 09:09.760]  Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews
[09:09.760 --> 09:15.760]  to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee or else have their
[09:15.760 --> 09:26.280]  citizenship revoked, face deportation, and see their assets confiscated, reported Ynet
[09:26.280 --> 09:34.000]  News, Israel's largest news website and Ukraine's Donbas news agency.
[09:34.000 --> 09:40.880]  Now get this, Secretary of State John Kerry said the language of the leaflets is, quote,
[09:40.880 --> 09:46.920]  beyond unacceptable, end quote, and condemned whomever is responsible.
[09:46.920 --> 09:50.080]  Yeah, who is responsible?
[09:50.080 --> 09:57.680]  Who is responsible for these leaflets handed out by unnamed people in the Russian part
[09:57.680 --> 09:58.680]  of the Ukraine?
[09:58.680 --> 10:03.480]  Now let's take a look at this here for a second, OK?
[10:03.480 --> 10:08.920]  On many levels, this really sticks to high heaven.
[10:08.920 --> 10:17.240]  These leaflets were handed out in the Ukraine, OK, but they were handed out in, let's see,
[10:17.240 --> 10:26.560]  in the eastern city of Donetsk, OK, which is the Russian part of the Ukraine, OK?
[10:26.560 --> 10:36.440]  This is, let's see, to make, and they say that they've been handed out by militants
[10:36.440 --> 10:45.580]  who are attempting to make that part of the Ukraine part of Russia, all right, according
[10:45.580 --> 10:48.960]  to Ukrainian and Israeli media, all right?
[10:48.960 --> 10:55.720]  Now first of all, that part of the Ukraine was Russia for most of the last two, three
[10:55.720 --> 11:01.040]  hundred years, since the 18th, 18 hundreds, right, or the 18th century even, maybe even
[11:01.040 --> 11:05.480]  longer than that, right, was part of Russia.
[11:05.480 --> 11:13.960]  It was donated to this area that they call the Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev in 1954,
[11:13.960 --> 11:14.960]  OK?
[11:14.960 --> 11:15.960]  Why?
[11:15.960 --> 11:20.640]  Well, it was all part of the Soviet Union, and they wanted the Ukrainian people to feel
[11:20.640 --> 11:26.680]  good, so they made a country out of it, or one of their states out of it.
[11:26.680 --> 11:31.200]  If you think of this old Soviet Union, like the United States, the Union of Soviet Socialist
[11:31.200 --> 11:38.600]  Republics, OK, a bunch of republics that were in a union, so they created this Ukrainian
[11:38.600 --> 11:41.800]  Union as a state.
[11:41.800 --> 11:44.560]  It was all part of Russia.
[11:44.560 --> 11:49.440]  Anyway, before that, eastern Ukraine, the Crimea, was literally part of the Russian
[11:49.440 --> 11:54.520]  Empire since the 17, 18 hundreds.
[11:54.520 --> 11:57.920]  They didn't think this was any big deal, it was all part of Russia.
[11:57.920 --> 12:03.880]  So now they're trying to get you to think that these people are trying to make the Ukraine
[12:03.880 --> 12:04.880]  part of Russia.
[12:04.880 --> 12:10.200]  It always was part of Russia, they speak Russian there, all right?
[12:10.200 --> 12:11.200]  That's what happened.
[12:11.200 --> 12:22.280]  After the Soviet Union collapsed, then this part of the region did not join the new Soviet
[12:22.280 --> 12:23.280]  Federation.
[12:23.280 --> 12:24.640]  They wanted to remain independent.
[12:24.640 --> 12:29.760]  So with them, they took this section that used to be Russia, which is eastern Ukraine.
[12:29.760 --> 12:34.800]  So it's very misleading to make it sound like the Russians are trying to make the Ukraine
[12:34.800 --> 12:37.200]  or this part of the Ukraine part of Russia.
[12:37.200 --> 12:42.160]  It's the people that live there that are Russian that want to go back to being part of Russia
[12:42.160 --> 12:48.520]  because they don't like what we are doing in the western part of the Ukrainians.
[12:48.520 --> 12:49.520]  That's number one.
[12:49.520 --> 12:52.120]  So there's very, very misleading here.
[12:52.120 --> 12:54.840]  Now the next thing, this is really crazy.
[12:54.840 --> 12:55.840]  You ready for this?
[12:55.840 --> 13:04.040]  First of all, anything involving Jews in Europe and making them register and leaflets and
[13:04.040 --> 13:11.200]  deportation, of course, this is about as hot button as you can get.
[13:11.200 --> 13:15.520]  This is about as crazy a hot button thing that anybody can do.
[13:15.520 --> 13:19.600]  You can't get anywhere near that in Western Europe.
[13:19.600 --> 13:20.600]  You'd be arrested.
[13:20.600 --> 13:27.360]  In Germany, you try to even talk about something, write about something like that, then you'll
[13:27.360 --> 13:28.760]  probably go to jail.
[13:28.760 --> 13:32.060]  There's crimes against it in Austria and Germany.
[13:32.060 --> 13:34.360]  So it's a real, real hot button thing.
[13:34.360 --> 13:35.760]  So what do we got?
[13:35.760 --> 13:37.840]  Let's get everybody all crazy.
[13:37.840 --> 13:42.320]  Let's get especially the Israelis all crazy.
[13:42.320 --> 13:43.320]  And what are we going to do?
[13:43.320 --> 13:44.320]  Let's go back to Hitler.
[13:44.320 --> 13:45.320]  Let's go back to Hitler.
[13:45.320 --> 13:51.200]  Remember Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler this, Hitler that.
[13:51.200 --> 13:57.480]  Let's go back to Hitler, making the Jews have leaflets and getting registered and all this
[13:57.480 --> 13:58.480]  stuff.
[13:58.480 --> 13:59.480]  Uh-oh, uh-oh.
[13:59.480 --> 14:00.480]  All right.
[14:00.480 --> 14:01.480]  What does that mean?
[14:01.480 --> 14:03.720]  You know, we, we could go to nuclear war over this.
[14:03.720 --> 14:04.720]  Okay.
[14:04.720 --> 14:08.680]  Well, first of all, these leaflets were handed out by who exactly?
[14:08.680 --> 14:11.320]  We don't know, right?
[14:11.320 --> 14:17.960]  But number two, more importantly, it is not the Russians.
[14:17.960 --> 14:21.220]  It is not the Russian Ukrainians.
[14:21.220 --> 14:26.280]  It is not the Russian people who persecuted the Jews.
[14:26.280 --> 14:27.480]  Okay.
[14:27.480 --> 14:33.800]  It is the very group of people that this government in this country with our tax dollars is propping
[14:33.800 --> 14:39.640]  up in the Western Ukraine, who are the people who persecuted the Jews along with the Nazis
[14:39.640 --> 14:40.760]  during the second world war.
[14:40.760 --> 14:44.560]  And if you're a listener to this show, you know that we've gone over this history a lot.
[14:44.560 --> 14:50.800]  These are people who welcomed Adolf Hitler's army as it invaded Russia and came through
[14:50.800 --> 14:53.240]  the Ukraine to do so.
[14:53.240 --> 15:03.540]  They were so virulently anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic that they helped the Germans, the Nazis round
[15:03.540 --> 15:06.600]  up all the Jews in the Ukraine and kill them.
[15:06.600 --> 15:07.600]  Okay.
[15:07.600 --> 15:10.080]  With such a passion that it made the Germans sick.
[15:10.080 --> 15:11.080]  All right.
[15:11.080 --> 15:18.020]  These are the people, Swaboda party and this guy, Banderas, who escaped when the Russians
[15:18.020 --> 15:20.640]  reclaimed the territory and came to Western Europe.
[15:20.640 --> 15:21.640]  Okay.
[15:21.640 --> 15:23.720]  He was a war criminal.
[15:23.720 --> 15:30.640]  These are the, this is the lineage from which the people who we just paid to get rid of
[15:30.640 --> 15:36.120]  the government in the West, in the Ukraine, that's where these people come from.
[15:36.120 --> 15:37.120]  Okay.
[15:37.120 --> 15:42.520]  From fascists who are virulently anti-Semitic.
[15:42.520 --> 15:44.000]  Okay.
[15:44.000 --> 15:46.160]  It is not the Russians who are anti-Semitic.
[15:46.160 --> 15:47.160]  Okay.
[15:47.160 --> 15:53.600]  And if you know your history, you know that many, many of the Bolsheviks, okay, who started
[15:53.600 --> 15:58.680]  the Russian revolution were Jewish themselves.
[15:58.680 --> 16:01.160]  Right.
[16:01.160 --> 16:07.000]  And that is explained as an explanation, partial explanation as to why the fascist Western
[16:07.000 --> 16:15.280]  Ukrainians who we are, you know, trying to get to run the show over there hate the Russian
[16:15.280 --> 16:21.200]  Jews so much because they blame the, the Russian Jews for Bolshevism.
[16:21.200 --> 16:22.460]  Okay.
[16:22.460 --> 16:24.440]  So this is completely backwards.
[16:24.440 --> 16:32.840]  And anybody who thinks that Russians are anti-Semitic and that Russian, that Russians are telling
[16:32.840 --> 16:35.160]  the Jews to register and all is crazy.
[16:35.160 --> 16:41.360]  It is the people in the Western Ukraine, the fascists, okay, that worked with the Nazis
[16:41.360 --> 16:48.480]  who we are propping up to run that country, those are the people who come from that lineage.
[16:48.480 --> 16:52.800]  It's clear as the nose on your face, we don't know who put these leaflets out, but they're
[16:52.800 --> 16:56.760]  banking on the fact that you don't know this history, my friends, and that's what we do
[16:56.760 --> 16:57.760]  on this show.
[16:57.760 --> 17:00.760]  We'll be right back.
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[19:19.880 --> 19:48.560]  All right, good friends.
[19:48.560 --> 19:49.560]  Welcome back.
[19:49.560 --> 19:50.880]  Welcome to the INF Word Report radio.
[19:50.880 --> 19:58.320]  There's a lot going on, and this crazy situation in Ukraine continues to fester, and the wheels
[19:58.320 --> 20:01.180]  came off this wagon.
[20:01.180 --> 20:05.760]  The best laid plans, Dr. Paul Craig Robinson, he was on the show a couple of weeks ago,
[20:05.760 --> 20:06.760]  we have to get him back on.
[20:06.760 --> 20:09.160]  I saw an interview with him recently.
[20:09.160 --> 20:12.600]  Really laid it out really, really well.
[20:12.600 --> 20:17.760]  The neocons who were driving all this stuff, they just want war, war, war.
[20:17.760 --> 20:21.480]  He said that they tried to get Reagan to do it, and Reagan kicked him out, and they got
[20:21.480 --> 20:23.720]  really pissed at Reagan.
[20:23.720 --> 20:34.560]  And then they came back in with Clinton, and that's what you saw happening over Serbia.
[20:34.560 --> 20:41.480]  And then they, of course, were well entrenched in the second Bush administration or the Bush
[20:41.480 --> 20:42.480]  II.
[20:42.480 --> 20:45.720]  And, you know, the results are tragic, of course.
[20:45.720 --> 20:49.400]  And Iraq.
[20:49.400 --> 20:57.560]  And now with Barack Obama, you know, they're continuing, Libya, Syria, you know, continuing
[20:57.560 --> 21:03.800]  in Afghanistan, all the provocations in Yemen and Pakistan and so forth.
[21:03.800 --> 21:05.320]  These people just want war, war, war.
[21:05.320 --> 21:12.060]  And now, because Vladimir Putin had the temerity to stand up to them in Syria, they're going
[21:12.060 --> 21:13.060]  to make him bleed.
[21:13.060 --> 21:16.840]  They're going to make him pay, so they're causing trouble in the Ukraine.
[21:16.840 --> 21:21.720]  And it's stupid, and it's dangerous, because it's right on the border of the Soviet, former
[21:21.720 --> 21:24.720]  Soviet Union of Russia.
[21:24.720 --> 21:29.140]  And how would we like it if Russia came and, you know, overthrew the government of Mexico
[21:29.140 --> 21:38.160]  and put a pro-Russian puppet in and, you know, started to make overtures to Mexico that,
[21:38.160 --> 21:43.200]  you know, that they could have their own Russian military bases in Mexico?
[21:43.200 --> 21:51.120]  How do you think John Kerry, John the Chin Kerry, would react to something like that?
[21:51.120 --> 21:55.800]  For crying out loud, you know, they've been screaming and crying over Cuba, which at least
[21:55.800 --> 21:58.160]  is out in the ocean, OK?
[21:58.160 --> 22:00.160]  Not right up against us.
[22:00.160 --> 22:04.220]  For decades and decades, all my life, they've been crying over Cuba, right?
[22:04.220 --> 22:06.540]  What if it was right here, right up next to us?
[22:06.540 --> 22:11.120]  That's what we're doing in the Ukraine.
[22:11.120 --> 22:18.040]  And interestingly, there's no way, there's no way that we could foment an overthrow of
[22:18.040 --> 22:24.040]  the Ukrainian government if we focused on the Russian Ukrainians, the ones who live
[22:24.040 --> 22:30.680]  predominantly in the Crimea, and the ones who live in the eastern part of the Ukraine.
[22:30.680 --> 22:31.680]  There's no way.
[22:31.680 --> 22:34.600]  They're not interested.
[22:34.600 --> 22:43.240]  But if you go to the western part of the Ukraine, where the crazies are, where the German imperial
[22:43.240 --> 22:52.520]  high command during World War I caused trouble by fabricating this phony, baloney country
[22:52.520 --> 22:57.440]  called Ukraine, there's never such a thing as the Ukraine on the map until the Germans
[22:57.440 --> 22:58.440]  made it.
[22:58.440 --> 22:59.440]  All right?
[22:59.440 --> 23:03.640]  You know, this is what imperialism does all over the world, OK?
[23:03.640 --> 23:05.600]  All over the world.
[23:05.600 --> 23:09.800]  And time after time, if you look at trouble spots, hot spots around the world, if you
[23:09.800 --> 23:16.520]  look into the history, you find out that this place was created by a colonial power, right?
[23:16.520 --> 23:23.040]  There's no such thing as Pakistan or Bangladesh.
[23:23.040 --> 23:30.360]  Afghanistan, you know, was an area, but I don't know that it had any specific border.
[23:30.360 --> 23:35.160]  The British created Pakistan.
[23:35.160 --> 23:40.420]  And you know, eastern Pakistan, western Pakistan, of course, eastern Pakistan later on separated
[23:40.420 --> 23:43.180]  became Bangladesh, right?
[23:43.180 --> 23:51.640]  But what Pakistan is today, that used to be the Pashtuns, the Pashtun people that live
[23:51.640 --> 23:56.680]  in the region we now call Pakistan and live in the region we now call Afghanistan.
[23:56.680 --> 24:01.040]  They were one big, huge tribe with the mountains going right through the middle and, of course,
[24:01.040 --> 24:03.640]  divide and conquer, right?
[24:03.640 --> 24:08.840]  Split people up, get them to think that they're two separate countries.
[24:08.840 --> 24:09.840]  And that's what happens.
[24:09.840 --> 24:12.000]  Look at all the trouble now in that part of the world.
[24:12.000 --> 24:15.420]  I said this on the show before, I interviewed somebody some years ago.
[24:15.420 --> 24:22.400]  If you remember, the problem in Ceylon, the big island off the southern tip of India,
[24:22.400 --> 24:27.840]  Sri Lanka, okay, also as it's known, right?
[24:27.840 --> 24:30.480]  Some years ago, there was a big problem there with the Tamil tigers.
[24:30.480 --> 24:33.920]  Remember, the Tamil tigers were fighting and they were being oppressed by the government
[24:33.920 --> 24:37.920]  and there were gorillas and, oh, we got to go in there and we got to, you know, all this
[24:37.920 --> 24:38.920]  stuff.
[24:38.920 --> 24:49.760]  Well, the Tamils in Sri Lanka were a minority, a Hindu minority in a Buddhist country where
[24:49.760 --> 24:51.240]  the majority of the people were Buddhist.
[24:51.240 --> 24:53.520]  All right, they were a minority.
[24:53.520 --> 24:54.520]  So what happens?
[24:54.520 --> 25:01.280]  The Imperial British come down there and this is what they do time after time after time.
[25:01.280 --> 25:07.080]  They go into a place, they can't go in there with, they can't, you know, occupy the entire
[25:07.080 --> 25:08.080]  country.
[25:08.080 --> 25:09.840]  England is a little tiny place.
[25:09.840 --> 25:14.080]  How did England get to control so much of the planet earth?
[25:14.080 --> 25:21.360]  Not by leaving large armies everywhere they went, no, by recruiting locals who had a chip
[25:21.360 --> 25:29.920]  on their shoulder, who were in the minority, but there was enough of them to run the country
[25:29.920 --> 25:32.360]  if they were backed up by the British military.
[25:32.360 --> 25:35.360]  All right, and that's what they did.
[25:35.360 --> 25:40.480]  They took the Tamils in Sri Lanka and they made them the boss, right?
[25:40.480 --> 25:42.840]  They made them the boss.
[25:42.840 --> 25:47.360]  And if the majority Buddhists didn't like it, then tough luck, you had to deal with
[25:47.360 --> 25:49.280]  the British army.
[25:49.280 --> 25:50.280]  So that's what they do.
[25:50.280 --> 25:52.040]  That's how they could stretch themselves over the whole world.
[25:52.040 --> 25:53.200]  They do this all over the place.
[25:53.200 --> 25:55.200]  It's not just the British.
[25:55.200 --> 25:56.920]  This is what colonialism is.
[25:56.920 --> 25:58.640]  This is what imperialism is.
[25:58.640 --> 25:59.640]  Right?
[25:59.640 --> 26:01.560]  Where have you heard this before?
[26:01.560 --> 26:03.320]  Where have you heard this before?
[26:03.320 --> 26:05.180]  You know what I'm talking about.
[26:05.180 --> 26:07.440]  Anybody ever hear of Iraq?
[26:07.440 --> 26:08.840]  Anybody ever hear of Iraq?
[26:08.840 --> 26:10.480]  What's the story with Iraq?
[26:10.480 --> 26:15.600]  Oh, what's the majority sect in Iraq?
[26:15.600 --> 26:21.400]  Islamic sect, Sunni Islam or Shia Islam?
[26:21.400 --> 26:23.120]  What's the majority?
[26:23.120 --> 26:31.280]  The majority are the Shia Islamists, practitioners of the Shia sect of Islam.
[26:31.280 --> 26:38.160]  I think it's a minority sect in the world, but in that part of the world, it's a majority
[26:38.160 --> 26:39.160]  sect.
[26:39.160 --> 26:41.120]  It's the majority in Iraq.
[26:41.120 --> 26:43.080]  It's the majority in Iran.
[26:43.080 --> 26:44.080]  Okay.
[26:44.080 --> 26:45.080]  Okay.
[26:45.080 --> 26:46.080]  So far, so good.
[26:46.080 --> 26:47.080]  Right?
[26:47.080 --> 26:49.880]  Well, who ran the show in Iraq?
[26:49.880 --> 26:52.320]  Big Shiite country.
[26:52.320 --> 26:53.800]  Who was in charge?
[26:53.800 --> 26:55.700]  Saddam Hussein and his crew.
[26:55.700 --> 26:58.280]  Was Saddam Hussein a Shiite Muslim?
[26:58.280 --> 27:02.640]  No, he was a Sunni Muslim, minority.
[27:02.640 --> 27:03.640]  This has happened.
[27:03.640 --> 27:05.560]  This happens over and over and over.
[27:05.560 --> 27:10.400]  And what happens, all these places are always in turmoil because the majority is being ruled
[27:10.400 --> 27:15.600]  by a minority that was installed by an imperial power, okay?
[27:15.600 --> 27:21.200]  And even after the imperial armies leave, they leave behind a powerful structure in
[27:21.200 --> 27:27.560]  place and they still back them, you know, covertly, right?
[27:27.560 --> 27:28.960]  And this is why you have all this.
[27:28.960 --> 27:32.000]  You know, if you don't know this history, friends, you look at your TV set, you read
[27:32.000 --> 27:36.520]  your newspapers, oh my gosh, can't these people ever get it together in these parts of the
[27:36.520 --> 27:37.520]  world?
[27:37.520 --> 27:38.520]  What's the matter with them?
[27:38.520 --> 27:39.520]  Don't they like democracy?
[27:39.520 --> 27:45.120]  You know, baloney, this stuff is created.
[27:45.120 --> 27:50.800]  Fractured societies are created because A against B and the winner is C, right?
[27:50.800 --> 27:54.600]  Sunni against Shiite and the winner is the British or whoever created it or the Western
[27:54.600 --> 27:58.340]  powers, whatever, okay?
[27:58.340 --> 27:59.340]  Like that.
[27:59.340 --> 28:04.320]  And over and over and over again, you find this is Syria, just a whole mix of people.
[28:04.320 --> 28:10.160]  There's Christians, there's Alawites, there's Shiite, there's Sunnis, you know, all over
[28:10.160 --> 28:14.840]  in Syria, all mixed up, right?
[28:14.840 --> 28:17.080]  Hard to govern, hard to rule.
[28:17.080 --> 28:18.960]  Harder it is to govern, harder it is to rule.
[28:18.960 --> 28:24.880]  The more dependent the ruling class is on a foreign power to keep them in place.
[28:24.880 --> 28:27.960]  And that's what's going on in the Ukraine, okay?
[28:27.960 --> 28:32.360]  The people in the Western part of the Ukraine, you know, had a chip on their shoulder.
[28:32.360 --> 28:36.040]  The Germans exploited it, pumped them up and said, you know, you don't have to be under
[28:36.040 --> 28:37.040]  Russian control.
[28:37.040 --> 28:40.980]  We're going to make you into your own country and we'll back you up.
[28:40.980 --> 28:42.260]  And that's what they did.
[28:42.260 --> 28:46.880]  And they created this phony baloney country called the Ukraine, okay, which was, you know,
[28:46.880 --> 28:53.400]  at the time, the Ukraine was under the control of, part of it was under the control of Russia.
[28:53.400 --> 28:57.160]  Part of it was under the control of the Prussian German Empire.
[28:57.160 --> 29:00.680]  Part of it was under the control of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
[29:00.680 --> 29:05.240]  Part of it had been under the control of the Turks down in the Crimea.
[29:05.240 --> 29:10.600]  And part of it up north, probably by the Poles too, and the Russians, all right?
[29:10.600 --> 29:16.520]  These are border regions where all of these different empires came together.
[29:16.520 --> 29:21.480]  And during World War I, when the Germans had lots of Russian prisoners, after they spirited
[29:21.480 --> 29:28.000]  Vladimir Lenin into Russia to wreck that country, wreck that society, which he did, well, during
[29:28.000 --> 29:32.960]  that chaos, they took a lot of their Russian prisoners of war during the World War I, after
[29:32.960 --> 29:36.440]  they got Russia out of the war, sent them back, trained them for us and said, hey, you
[29:36.440 --> 29:40.040]  people are living in Ukraine, we're going to make a country out of you and we'll back
[29:40.040 --> 29:41.040]  it up.
[29:41.040 --> 29:42.280]  Germany will back it up.
[29:42.280 --> 29:44.600]  And that's when the Ukraine appeared on the map.
[29:44.600 --> 29:50.200]  And those Western Ukrainians always liked the Germans because they created the country.
[29:50.200 --> 29:56.880]  So when the Nazis came back in, they went to town with the Nazis against the Jewish
[29:56.880 --> 29:57.880]  Ukrainians.
[29:57.880 --> 29:58.880]  All right.
[29:58.880 --> 30:03.520]  We'll be right back just after.
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[34:04.080 --> 34:28.880]  All right, good friends, welcome back.
[34:28.880 --> 34:32.560]  Tom Kiley, INN World Report Radio, Tuesday nights, Thursday nights here on the great
[34:32.560 --> 34:36.440]  Logos Radio Network, 6 until 8 p.m. Central Time.
[34:36.440 --> 34:41.920]  And now then, breaking news, we've got our friend Joe Calhoun on the line with us.
[34:41.920 --> 34:48.520]  Joe out in Colorado, in the mountains of Colorado, and Joe brought this story to my attention
[34:48.520 --> 34:49.520]  late this afternoon.
[34:49.520 --> 34:51.600]  And I said, Joe, you got to come on the show, you got to talk about it.
[34:51.600 --> 34:54.880]  Joe, looks like, well, first of all, Joe, welcome back to the show.
[34:54.880 --> 34:59.400]  Yeah, yeah, I think everybody knows me by now.
[34:59.400 --> 35:00.400]  I think so.
[35:00.400 --> 35:01.400]  I think they should.
[35:01.400 --> 35:05.880]  But, you know, sometimes we have new listeners, we've got new listeners all the time.
[35:05.880 --> 35:10.080]  And by the way, friends, if Joe sounds a little distracted as he's talking to us, because
[35:10.080 --> 35:14.320]  he just took a little while to answer me there, it's for good reason.
[35:14.320 --> 35:20.600]  He's monitoring the news feeds right now as well to keep us abreast of this developing
[35:20.600 --> 35:22.320]  story.
[35:22.320 --> 35:27.320]  But I explained Joe to the audience before he came on, this crazy phony baloney sounding
[35:27.320 --> 35:35.120]  leaflet that was handed out in, of all places, Eastern Ukraine by the so-called pro-Russian
[35:35.120 --> 35:42.760]  Ukrainians to the Ukrainian Jews with all this hot button language in there about registering
[35:42.760 --> 35:46.480]  and deportation and confiscation of property.
[35:46.480 --> 35:51.240]  This is, you might as well just say, Adolf Hitler, Adolf Hitler, Adolf Hitler.
[35:51.240 --> 35:55.840]  Yeah, this was, I monitor Twitter all the time.
[35:55.840 --> 36:00.840]  I'm a Twitter fanatic right now, and that's where I do my social media to get news and
[36:00.840 --> 36:02.320]  things out.
[36:02.320 --> 36:09.480]  And I saw this tweet, it was either late last night or early this morning, something, some
[36:09.480 --> 36:16.120]  tweet about that the pro-Russian militia have ordered Jews in Donetsk to register.
[36:16.120 --> 36:25.080]  And I didn't pay much attention to it, because I thought, oh, this is absurd, you know, because
[36:25.080 --> 36:33.280]  it's coming out even on the mainstream media now that the right sector neo-Nazi types were
[36:33.280 --> 36:41.280]  instrumental in Kiev in overthrowing the parliament and the government there.
[36:41.280 --> 36:48.000]  And so the Western media, the paradigm, the NATO paradigm has gotten a lot of bad press.
[36:48.000 --> 36:52.040]  And so when I saw this, I thought, oh, this is absurd, I didn't even bother looking at
[36:52.040 --> 36:53.040]  it.
[36:53.040 --> 37:00.640]  And it wasn't until John Kerry gave his news conference today about this agreement between
[37:00.640 --> 37:08.760]  the United States, Russia, the EU, and a representative of the rump government of Ukraine that they
[37:08.760 --> 37:18.760]  made in Geneva, where John Kerry very quickly commented about how grotesque this was, that
[37:18.760 --> 37:26.600]  the pro, the so-called pro-Russia militia in eastern Ukraine have ordered all Jews to
[37:26.600 --> 37:29.600]  register.
[37:29.600 --> 37:34.320]  This is amazing, Joe, because he's the daggone secretary of state, okay?
[37:34.320 --> 37:38.680]  Now, I'm just a guy who- He's not a Twitter guy.
[37:38.680 --> 37:42.240]  No, no, he's like, you know, he's the secretary of state.
[37:42.240 --> 37:47.760]  I'm just a guy who tries to get a good radio, informative radio program, and I have to be
[37:47.760 --> 37:48.760]  careful.
[37:48.760 --> 37:51.200]  You know, if I say stuff- That's right.
[37:51.200 --> 37:53.100]  You know, I have to be careful.
[37:53.100 --> 37:59.160]  You know, something I'll say, it's alleged, or, you know, it supposedly is this or that.
[37:59.160 --> 38:02.080]  You know, we're being told it's this or that, okay?
[38:02.080 --> 38:07.280]  I don't come out and say, this is terrible, that the government of such and thus a country
[38:07.280 --> 38:09.360]  is doing this or that.
[38:09.360 --> 38:13.520]  I don't know, and I don't have the resources to check out, but you know, if it's interesting,
[38:13.520 --> 38:14.520]  it's interesting.
[38:14.520 --> 38:15.520]  But I'm careful.
[38:15.520 --> 38:19.560]  This Carrie guy thinks that we're living back in the Stone Age where there's no internet,
[38:19.560 --> 38:21.200]  no newspapers, no anything.
[38:21.200 --> 38:22.520]  He can just say whatever he wants.
[38:22.520 --> 38:29.800]  He did the same thing with the sarin gas attack in Syria that he blamed right at the feet
[38:29.800 --> 38:36.840]  of the Assad government, and this is so disproven now, every which way you look at it.
[38:36.840 --> 38:38.800]  And does he apologize for this?
[38:38.800 --> 38:42.560]  No, he goes right back at it all over again.
[38:42.560 --> 38:50.320]  And this is what kind of, you know, kind of shocked me, you know, because when Carrie
[38:50.320 --> 38:54.760]  says it, I have to go on Twitter to find out what the hell's going on.
[38:54.760 --> 39:04.320]  Did some crackpot in the government there in Donask issue this, you know, or what happened?
[39:04.320 --> 39:11.600]  And I stumbled on a USA Today article, and it was actually by accident, because I was
[39:11.600 --> 39:21.240]  trying to find, you know, some other sources that would counter this particular line of
[39:21.240 --> 39:22.240]  propaganda.
[39:22.240 --> 39:26.240]  And actually, USA Today was pretty damn good.
[39:26.240 --> 39:29.960]  I'm trying to get it up on my screen right now.
[39:29.960 --> 39:39.680]  But basically, what the USA Today article said is, first of all, the temporary governor
[39:39.680 --> 39:44.480]  of Donask, the leaflet was put out in his name.
[39:44.480 --> 39:48.320]  It wasn't, the way Carrie made it sound is that the government, you know, officially
[39:48.320 --> 39:54.660]  went down there and ordered to a synagogue and, you know, ordered them to register.
[39:54.660 --> 40:01.320]  But the way the story actually came out is that mass men went down there and handed out
[40:01.320 --> 40:09.200]  leaflets after a Passover service, telling Jews that they had to register.
[40:09.200 --> 40:19.080]  And the governor of Donask, Dennis Puliskin, I don't know if I'm proud, Pushilin, I can't
[40:19.080 --> 40:23.840]  pronounce his name quite right, said that although this thing came out in his name,
[40:23.840 --> 40:31.840]  he had nothing, has nothing to do with the government in Donask, absolutely nothing.
[40:31.840 --> 40:39.960]  And that was reported by, actually, by the Hebrew service of Ynet, which is an Israeli
[40:39.960 --> 40:43.120]  news service.
[40:43.120 --> 40:53.360]  And then there were other, I'll quote some of the report here, just to make it, it says
[40:53.360 --> 41:00.360]  that they told me, this is a witness at the synagogue, they told me, or this is the guy
[41:00.360 --> 41:05.760]  in Israel, the Ynet report, they told me that mass men were waiting for the Jewish people
[41:05.760 --> 41:12.040]  after Passover Eve prayer, handed them the flyer and then told them to obey instructions,
[41:12.040 --> 41:15.040]  he said.
[41:15.040 --> 41:19.080]  The leaflet begins, Dear Ukraine citizens of the Jewish nationality and states that
[41:19.080 --> 41:23.800]  all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the commissioner of nationalities
[41:23.800 --> 41:24.800]  in Donask.
[41:24.800 --> 41:32.440]  Now, it says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported
[41:32.440 --> 41:36.600]  the Banderas junta, a reference to Stephen Banderas.
[41:36.600 --> 41:44.600]  Now, Joe, Joe, this is, you're laughing because it's laughable, this is, friends, correct
[41:44.600 --> 41:51.880]  me if I'm wrong, Joe, this is total backflip craziness here, Stephen Banderas is the Ukrainian
[41:51.880 --> 42:00.960]  guy who went back, you know what, on the Ukrainian Jews and did the Nazis bidding and killed
[42:00.960 --> 42:09.920]  them, you know, so to say that the, to say that pro-Russian Ukrainians are accusing Jewish
[42:09.920 --> 42:17.160]  Ukrainians of supporting this Banderas movement that's named after this guy who killed their
[42:17.160 --> 42:21.840]  own kind during World War II, it's just, he's a war criminal.
[42:21.840 --> 42:27.120]  It's just beyond belief, it's laughable if it wasn't so serious.
[42:27.120 --> 42:32.280]  It was, at first, when I was talking to Don Debar earlier after I saw this, because, you
[42:32.280 --> 42:36.240]  know, I usually put out this stuff on Twitter and I don't make phone calls unless this is
[42:36.240 --> 42:42.200]  urgent, but this thing, after Kerry made that statement, and this is the way Goebbels always
[42:42.200 --> 42:49.280]  worked, the bigger the lie, the harder it is to disprove, but they don't, they don't
[42:49.280 --> 42:56.040]  care, John Kerry, the CIA, John Brennan, they don't care if they're caught lying, they
[42:56.040 --> 43:02.600]  just have to have this lie go long enough for it to have the desired effect they want.
[43:02.600 --> 43:03.600]  That's all they want.
[43:03.600 --> 43:07.120]  Well, not only that, but they know that they've got the mainstream media that the oligarchs
[43:07.120 --> 43:11.120]  who run the CIA own as well, so, you know, where are you going to hear it?
[43:11.120 --> 43:16.480]  You know, thank God for things like, you know, the alternative media that we're participating
[43:16.480 --> 43:19.440]  in, at least we get a chance to talk about this stuff.
[43:19.440 --> 43:22.520]  Listen, Joe, Nancy's on the line.
[43:22.520 --> 43:24.160]  Actually, you know what?
[43:24.160 --> 43:28.600]  We've got a caller who wants to comment, and I'd like to get to you, Nancy, but we're just
[43:28.600 --> 43:32.760]  getting ready to go on break, so please hold on, and we'll get to you as soon as we come
[43:32.760 --> 43:33.760]  back.
[43:33.760 --> 43:34.760]  How does that sound to you, Joe?
[43:34.760 --> 43:35.760]  Fine, fine.
[43:35.760 --> 43:42.200]  All right, I'm sorry to sort of cut you off a little bit there, because that music means
[43:42.200 --> 43:43.280]  that we're going on to break.
[43:43.280 --> 43:49.200]  We're speaking with Joe Calhoun about this breaking story, another false flag operation
[43:49.200 --> 43:54.160]  that John Kerry is, you know, shouting about from the rooftops as if it's a real deal,
[43:54.160 --> 43:56.800]  when it's going to be turned out to be bogus all over again.
[43:56.800 --> 44:00.520]  Tom Kiley, INN, right back after this.
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[46:00.280 --> 46:07.280]  The spirit was freedom and justice, and its keepers seemed generous and kind.
[46:07.280 --> 46:16.280]  Its leaders were supposed to serve the country, but now they won't hit no mile.
[46:16.280 --> 46:27.280]  Because the people have looked back and gotten lazy, and now their vote is a meaningless
[46:27.280 --> 46:28.280]  joke.
[46:28.280 --> 46:37.120]  All right, good friends, welcome back.
[46:37.120 --> 46:43.880]  Now that's somebody who knows a little something about fascism and communism and all that.
[46:43.880 --> 46:45.200]  That's John Kay from Steppenwolf.
[46:45.200 --> 46:50.400]  He was actually born in a part of Germany that later became, I think, part of Poland
[46:50.400 --> 46:56.320]  or one of the Baltic states, and his mother brought him all the way out to West Germany
[46:56.320 --> 46:57.320]  as a kid.
[46:57.320 --> 47:00.880]  So when he got here, he found out that a lot of BS going on here, too.
[47:00.880 --> 47:05.960]  Anyway, we've got Joe Calhoun with us on the line out in Colorado right now.
[47:05.960 --> 47:09.560]  And Joe, what do you say, we've got a caller, Nancy, listening to the show, wants to make
[47:09.560 --> 47:10.560]  a comment about the leaflets.
[47:10.560 --> 47:11.560]  You all set?
[47:11.560 --> 47:12.560]  Okay, sure, sure.
[47:12.560 --> 47:13.560]  Let's go.
[47:13.560 --> 47:14.560]  All right.
[47:14.560 --> 47:15.560]  Hi, Nancy.
[47:15.560 --> 47:17.240]  Thank you for hanging on.
[47:17.240 --> 47:22.240]  I understand that you want to make a comment about the leaflets?
[47:22.240 --> 47:24.240]  In general, yes.
[47:24.240 --> 47:25.240]  Thank you for letting me talk.
[47:25.240 --> 47:30.200]  I didn't really want to interrupt him because I enjoyed listening.
[47:30.200 --> 47:36.680]  I like to learn, you know, but there's one thing I should have.
[47:36.680 --> 47:43.400]  That area has belonged to Russia since Catherine the Great that you're talking about.
[47:43.400 --> 47:48.880]  Number two, those leaflets reminded me, I wondered why they didn't say you have to have
[47:48.880 --> 47:51.680]  a yellow star on.
[47:51.680 --> 48:01.240]  Isn't that strikingly reminiscent of the Nazis and probably that's why this was fabricated,
[48:01.240 --> 48:02.240]  no?
[48:02.240 --> 48:03.240]  Yes.
[48:03.240 --> 48:08.080]  And we actually ought to be getting ready for a nuclear war because we have been trying
[48:08.080 --> 48:18.440]  to encircle Russia and China, so I guess, as I'm sure you know, Russia has been making
[48:18.440 --> 48:25.800]  strides in South America and even, of course, again in Cuba.
[48:25.800 --> 48:31.480]  Well China has been making great strides in Africa and that's causing a lot of problems.
[48:31.480 --> 48:33.400]  That's why we have AFRICOM now.
[48:33.400 --> 48:40.360]  That's why the U.S. Army has created an entire command for Africa and it can't even be in
[48:40.360 --> 48:42.360]  Africa because no African country wants it.
[48:42.360 --> 48:45.440]  It is working out of Germany or something.
[48:45.440 --> 48:49.960]  But that's because Western colonial powers have had their way in Africa for so long they
[48:49.960 --> 48:53.960]  didn't feel like they needed a big army presence there and now the Chinese have been coming
[48:53.960 --> 48:59.560]  in the last 10, 20 years and they're making deals with the Africans.
[48:59.560 --> 49:00.800]  They're treating them fairly.
[49:00.800 --> 49:06.280]  They're giving them a fair shake and that's upsetting the whole doggone apple cart.
[49:06.280 --> 49:12.360]  Well they wouldn't be doing that if we hadn't, we are the ringleaders for the whole thing.
[49:12.360 --> 49:18.360]  Well if we had treated the Africans and everybody else in the world with fairness, there would
[49:18.360 --> 49:20.280]  be no room for somebody else to come in.
[49:20.280 --> 49:21.920]  But that's what's been going on.
[49:21.920 --> 49:24.920]  The Chinese are not going in there like we do with the military or anything.
[49:24.920 --> 49:25.920]  They're going in there.
[49:25.920 --> 49:26.920]  Okay.
[49:26.920 --> 49:28.320]  You know, you've got raw materials that we need.
[49:28.320 --> 49:31.880]  We can build you a dam or a road or whatever, you know.
[49:31.880 --> 49:35.040]  They are going to cut us completely off.
[49:35.040 --> 49:41.120]  They are encircling us while we're trying to encircle them but we started it.
[49:41.120 --> 49:46.960]  I have to agree with you, you know, it's a shame, Nancy.
[49:46.960 --> 49:51.800]  After the Cold War was over, I thought there was an opportunity for the United States to
[49:51.800 --> 49:57.240]  be the magnanimous people that we are and say, you know what, let's fix this and not
[49:57.240 --> 49:59.280]  have these kind of competitions anymore.
[49:59.280 --> 50:03.200]  We're going to lay down our arms unilaterally and balance the situation out.
[50:03.200 --> 50:06.560]  But no, the neocons came in and said we're number one and we're going to try to make
[50:06.560 --> 50:10.720]  it a unipolar world and you know, nature repores a vacuum.
[50:10.720 --> 50:15.280]  The rest of the world coalesces to form a balance and that's what's going on and if
[50:15.280 --> 50:17.920]  we don't watch out, they're going to see us as the bad guys.
[50:17.920 --> 50:22.000]  Well, we are the bad guys, I'm afraid to say.
[50:22.000 --> 50:25.800]  We need to talk sometime off the phone and off the radio.
[50:25.800 --> 50:28.880]  Well, Nancy, I'd be happy to do that.
[50:28.880 --> 50:35.080]  Send me an email if you'd like and I'd be glad to reach out to you, info at INNradio.com
[50:35.080 --> 50:38.440]  and you know, just say it's Nancy and we can talk.
[50:38.440 --> 50:41.640]  I believe that you've called in several times before, haven't you Nancy?
[50:41.640 --> 50:43.520]  I don't remember hearing you for a while though.
[50:43.520 --> 50:44.520]  Well, that's true.
[50:44.520 --> 50:47.760]  I couldn't get through several different times.
[50:47.760 --> 50:54.080]  There's strange things going on with the airways now too at times.
[50:54.080 --> 51:01.080]  Our computers at work were down all day today and that was the state of Texas.
[51:01.080 --> 51:02.080]  Never mind.
[51:02.080 --> 51:07.680]  Okay, yeah, too much information, TMI, but listen, thank you so much for listening and
[51:07.680 --> 51:11.440]  for calling in and send me an email, info at INNradio, I'd be happy to talk with you
[51:11.440 --> 51:12.440]  off the air sometime.
[51:12.440 --> 51:15.440]  Okay, that'll be great.
[51:15.440 --> 51:16.440]  Thank you.
[51:16.440 --> 51:17.440]  Thank you very much.
[51:17.440 --> 51:18.440]  Bye-bye.
[51:18.440 --> 51:21.320]  All right then, let's go back now to our friend Joe Calhoun.
[51:21.320 --> 51:25.560]  Joe, tell everybody how they can get your Twitter feed because it's really interesting.
[51:25.560 --> 51:29.760]  I get this all day long and you're like a news service.
[51:29.760 --> 51:42.760]  Oh, God, I'm getting trolled now instantly by people that don't listen to any facts,
[51:42.760 --> 51:49.960]  don't put a link on their tweet, they just insult me that I'm... They ask me how much
[51:49.960 --> 51:58.520]  is the Kremlin paying you to say this, but it's like... And then I come back with them.
[51:58.520 --> 52:13.040]  Well, a very important point, there was a tweet talking about how Russia is interfering
[52:13.040 --> 52:21.360]  in the sovereign states of Ukraine and although it was part of the Soviet Union, how was it?
[52:21.360 --> 52:25.280]  That historically it has never been part of the Soviet Union.
[52:25.280 --> 52:36.360]  And so I instantly found the map of Russia in 1794 and the Ukraine, even a little more
[52:36.360 --> 52:43.560]  than what is Ukraine today, was historically part of Russia and it had been historically
[52:43.560 --> 52:49.280]  part of Russia for over five or 700 years.
[52:49.280 --> 53:00.280]  So I tweeted back, she tweeted back, well, that was then, this is the... I can't remember
[53:00.280 --> 53:05.280]  how she said it because I don't have a tweet up, but it's something to the effect that
[53:05.280 --> 53:10.160]  what matters is now, maybe I can find it here.
[53:10.160 --> 53:12.680]  Oh, I think she deleted her tweets.
[53:12.680 --> 53:20.000]  Yeah, she did because I told her, tell that to Native Americans.
[53:20.000 --> 53:26.360]  In other words, it's like saying, well, history is on our side because we took over America
[53:26.360 --> 53:34.360]  and Native Americans don't have any rights to reclaim any sovereignty.
[53:34.360 --> 53:48.360]  And so she tweeted me back and I said, your paradigm is like that of the NATO neo-Nazis
[53:48.360 --> 54:00.360]  and Hitler because when Hitler went in and annexed Austria and he annexed Czechoslovakia,
[54:00.360 --> 54:03.400]  the Western leaders didn't mind.
[54:03.400 --> 54:11.840]  It was, oh, well, he's protecting the Sudetenland or he's protecting the German population there.
[54:11.840 --> 54:19.160]  But this is not as egregious as Russia's concern about the Ukraine because the Ukraine historically
[54:19.160 --> 54:24.640]  has been part of Russia for over 500 to 700 years.
[54:24.640 --> 54:39.040]  Well, Joe, when you say Ukraine is an independent country has only changed within the last 20
[54:39.040 --> 54:40.040]  years.
[54:40.040 --> 54:41.040]  That's all.
[54:41.040 --> 54:42.040]  Historically.
[54:42.040 --> 54:48.480]  Well, yeah, Nikita Khrushchev, what did he do?
[54:48.480 --> 54:55.320]  Did he help create the independent republic of the Ukraine or did he just add some Russian
[54:55.320 --> 54:56.640]  territory to it?
[54:56.640 --> 55:02.320]  Well, actually, Ukraine as a country was, it was just an area.
[55:02.320 --> 55:05.420]  It was a region in Russia.
[55:05.420 --> 55:11.120]  It was never a country until after the Russian Revolution in World War II.
[55:11.120 --> 55:16.600]  And when the Russians signed a peace treaty with the Germans, the Germans actually were
[55:16.600 --> 55:23.040]  more instrumental in creating Ukraine at the Treaty of Brest-Litov.
[55:23.040 --> 55:29.760]  And what I don't have this quite clear, but Webster talked about on the show, they did
[55:29.760 --> 55:33.480]  it to stick it to the Russians and they did it to try to get some food out of the place.
[55:33.480 --> 55:38.120]  But what the Russians did, that's why anybody does anything anymore, is to stick it to the
[55:38.120 --> 55:39.120]  Russians.
[55:39.120 --> 55:47.440]  Well, when the Germans created the state of Ukraine, what the Russians did, the Bolsheviks,
[55:47.440 --> 55:51.720]  they took over the Rada and declaimed a People's Republic of Ukraine.
[55:51.720 --> 55:54.560]  So that's how Ukraine was created.
[55:54.560 --> 56:03.440]  It was a German idea, but the communists got in there and declaimed a People's Republic
[56:03.440 --> 56:14.440]  of Ukraine for the Soviets, and it remained the Soviets, Russia allowed it to be a province
[56:14.440 --> 56:18.000]  of a Republic of the Soviet Union.
[56:18.000 --> 56:19.760]  So that's how it was created.
[56:19.760 --> 56:27.000]  But historically, if you look at a map, an 18th century map, Ukraine is not even a country,
[56:27.000 --> 56:28.960]  or I think it's a 17th century map.
[56:28.960 --> 56:30.320]  It's not even a country.
[56:30.320 --> 56:38.680]  It's just a region near the Dnieper River, you know, and people who spoke the dialect
[56:38.680 --> 56:43.120]  of Ukrainian, a Russian dialect, it's not even a country.
[56:43.120 --> 56:48.480]  Out on the Western part, you know, it's interesting, Joe, that you say, you know, you're tweeting
[56:48.480 --> 56:54.920]  all this stuff, and a lot of people have been listening to you or getting your tweets, probably
[56:54.920 --> 56:58.480]  getting information, but now you're starting to get trolled, you're starting to get these
[56:58.480 --> 57:02.920]  people that are, you know, attacking you for what you're saying.
[57:02.920 --> 57:05.960]  You know what they say about it, Joe.
[57:05.960 --> 57:14.080]  You know, when you get, yeah, you know, you're getting close to the target when you start
[57:14.080 --> 57:16.000]  taking on flak, right?
[57:16.000 --> 57:24.040]  Oh, well, I will tell you what happened this week with Brennan in Kiev, a drone king, Brennan
[57:24.040 --> 57:27.280]  in Kiev, CIA drone king.
[57:27.280 --> 57:32.000]  The drone king was in Kiev this last weekend.
[57:32.000 --> 57:33.000]  And I first thought-
[57:33.000 --> 57:37.360]  Yeah, you know, one second, Joe, before you go into it, it's interesting you say that
[57:37.360 --> 57:43.320]  because the propaganda and the lies and the false flag stuff is coming out so fast and
[57:43.320 --> 57:47.760]  furious, and there's a reason for it because they want to push this other stuff off the
[57:47.760 --> 57:48.760]  front page.
[57:48.760 --> 57:53.440]  Now, you've got a lot of bad press coming out of the Ukraine.
[57:53.440 --> 58:00.640]  Just in the last couple of days, our CIA directors snuck over there to do what, right?
[58:00.640 --> 58:04.400]  And then they lied about it, and then they got busted with that.
[58:04.400 --> 58:10.800]  And now units of the Ukrainian military are, you know, joining the pro-Russian Ukrainians
[58:10.800 --> 58:12.360]  and abandoning the coup.
[58:12.360 --> 58:14.560]  That's another bad thing you've got to get off the front pages.
[58:14.560 --> 58:17.760]  Maybe that's why we've got this stupid leaflet thing showing up right now, huh?
[58:17.760 --> 58:22.160]  Yeah, what a coincidence, Brennan's in Ukraine on the weekend and we have this leaflet come
[58:22.160 --> 58:23.160]  out.
[58:23.160 --> 58:25.500]  What a coincidence.
[58:25.500 --> 58:27.960]  Maybe he brought it with him.
[58:27.960 --> 58:30.360]  Maybe he brought a bunch of it with him in his suitcase.
[58:30.360 --> 58:32.480]  You know, they say that he even used a false identity.
[58:32.480 --> 58:36.640]  Our CIA director went to the Ukraine to meet with the illegitimate government there that
[58:36.640 --> 58:41.200]  they helped install over the weekend, and he goes on a false identity.
[58:41.200 --> 58:45.000]  And then when the report comes out, the U.S. lies about it until they can't lie and not
[58:45.000 --> 58:46.000]  have to admit it happened.
[58:46.000 --> 58:50.720]  We'll be right back with Joe Calhoun right after this.
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[01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.320]  And now the news.
[01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.440]  Police arrested two Santa Monica high school students over a video recorded classroom fight
[01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.920]  between a teacher and a pupil.
[01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.200]  Science teacher and wrestling coach Mark Black grabbed a student around the legs as the two
[01:01:12.200 --> 01:01:17.680]  crashed into desks, eventually ending up on the floor in a disturbing display as fellow
[01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:20.800]  students looked on.
[01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:27.880]  A representative from the Santa Monica Malibu Unified School District said that the incident
[01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.240]  escalated after a disagreement involving drugs.
[01:01:31.240 --> 01:01:36.200]  Initially following the video's release, the school superintendent, Sandra Leon, suspended
[01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:40.080]  the teacher and issued a statement saying that the school would support the student
[01:01:40.080 --> 01:01:41.400]  and his family.
[01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:46.480]  However, Leon's statement was retracted after a parental uproar condemned her for acting
[01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:52.480]  before all the facts were known.
[01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:58.200]  A study released by Illinois University researchers found that an alarming rate of sexual harassment
[01:01:58.200 --> 01:02:01.840]  cases are going unnoticed in public middle schools.
[01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:06.940]  According to the study, 21% of the students in this survey experienced some form of physical
[01:02:06.940 --> 01:02:08.680]  sexual harassment.
[01:02:08.680 --> 01:02:13.560]  The students reported instances of being slapped on the butt, being rubbed up against sexually,
[01:02:13.560 --> 01:02:15.960]  and even being forced to kiss another student.
[01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:21.000]  The researchers noted that many of the students dismissed this behavior as joking or not that
[01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:25.960]  serious, and I quote, that you get used to it, and another direct quote, it doesn't really
[01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:27.520]  bother me anymore.
[01:02:27.520 --> 01:02:31.960]  The study concluded that middle school youth have experienced a wide range of sexual and
[01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.080]  violent experiences that seem to be unaddressed by adults in these schools.
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[01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:34.720]  All right, good friends.
[01:03:34.720 --> 01:03:35.720]  Welcome back.
[01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:40.400]  Tom Kiley, INN World Report Radio, Tuesday and Thursday nights here on the Great Logos
[01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:41.400]  Radio Network.
[01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:42.400]  Joe Calhoun is our guest.
[01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:47.280]  He joins us from Colorado, where he's been monitoring this Ukrainian situation.
[01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:53.560]  Joe, right before the break, we were talking about this bombshell of a stupid story about
[01:03:53.560 --> 01:04:04.360]  a leaflet allegedly distributed in the Eastern Ukraine by pro-Russian Ukrainians.
[01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:11.760]  That means the Ukrainians who are not in control of the CIA, who are trying to do this, who
[01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:16.240]  overthrew the elected government there, but the people who don't like that overthrow,
[01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:17.240]  supposedly.
[01:04:17.240 --> 01:04:23.880]  A leaflet being distributed to Jews on Passover in the Ukraine, reminiscent, fully reminiscent
[01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:31.480]  of the Nazi Holocaust, totally a hot button issue, gives John Kerry the ability to make
[01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.480]  these crazy statements.
[01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:35.480]  And why?
[01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:43.120]  Let's look at why, because this is a really bad week, isn't it, Joe, for the neocons?
[01:04:43.120 --> 01:04:47.400]  And I think I had a part to do with it being a bad week on Twitter.
[01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.280]  Yeah, why don't you tell about that?
[01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:56.320]  You got that ball rolling about that whole story about CIA Director John Brennan sneaking
[01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:01.120]  into the Ukraine to meet with our new puppets there, huh?
[01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:06.760]  Well, I might be seen in more to it about my involvement than there is, but it seems
[01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.800]  like I did, because it was early in the morning.
[01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:11.800]  What was it?
[01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:18.680]  It was on Sunday morning, yes, it was Sunday morning, there was this tweet about John Brennan
[01:05:18.680 --> 01:05:22.600]  had snuck into Ukraine using a false identity.
[01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:30.000]  So I looked at the link on the tweet and it was from the Russian news agency Interfax.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.160]  But it was only one paragraph, you know, it was kind of like rumor has it, sources say,
[01:05:35.160 --> 01:05:40.640]  you know, unconfirmed report of John Brennan being in Kiev.
[01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:45.280]  Well, I didn't want to retweet that, you know, because you get immediately trolled that,
[01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.200]  oh, this is just Russian propaganda, this is, you know, crap.
[01:05:50.200 --> 01:05:59.640]  And so early in the morning, we get George Stephanopoulos out here on Sunday at 8am.
[01:05:59.640 --> 01:06:02.880]  So he kind of led that story about Ukraine.
[01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:08.240]  And then he said to his correspondent that there's a report that John Brennan was in
[01:06:08.240 --> 01:06:13.840]  Kiev this weekend, and she says, oh, well, yeah, that comes from a Russian Interfax source.
[01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.160]  But then George Stephanopoulos kind of smiled and said, well, yeah, it does.
[01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:25.040]  But according to the CIA, the CIA has neither confirmed or denied it, you know.
[01:06:25.040 --> 01:06:32.080]  And so he kind of gave out this idea that, right, you know, when the CIA doesn't confirm
[01:06:32.080 --> 01:06:36.400]  or deny something, usually it's true.
[01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:46.320]  And so what I did with my tweet, I put in ABC News, CIA drone king John Brennan in Kiev
[01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:52.040]  to help coordinate, to help the assault on East Ukraine.
[01:06:52.040 --> 01:07:00.240]  So now you said that you extrapolated that from George Stephanopoulos' snicker that
[01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:02.480]  the CIA neither confirmed or denied it.
[01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.960]  OK, so go ahead.
[01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:04.960]  OK.
[01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:05.960]  So what happens?
[01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:11.000]  Well, it's retweeted and retweeted and retweeted, and I get instantly trolled.
[01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.400]  You're a Russian, you know, you're a Kremlin agent, you're this, that, and the other thing.
[01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:16.400]  OK?
[01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:18.680]  I mean, it was very quick.
[01:07:18.680 --> 01:07:22.440]  You know, usually it takes, you know, about a half an hour for you to get these trolls,
[01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.000]  but it was almost instantaneous.
[01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:34.320]  Then about an hour later, someone from ABC News called Meekwire, I think it's James,
[01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:39.800]  I can't remember his name, but he's, I can't remember his position, ABC News, about an
[01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:52.680]  hour later tweeted, CIA denies Brennan was in Kiev to help assault on Eastern Ukraine.
[01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:56.320]  They denied he was there for that, but they didn't deny he was there, or they denied
[01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.320]  that he was in Ukraine?
[01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.320]  Right.
[01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:07.600]  So then, later in the day, Lavrov, you know, it gets tweeted out that Lavrov wants to know
[01:08:07.600 --> 01:08:08.600]  what was John-
[01:08:08.600 --> 01:08:11.400]  Lavrov is the Russian foreign minister, right?
[01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:12.560]  Foreign minister.
[01:08:12.560 --> 01:08:18.320]  So that gets on later in the day, and I don't know if it was Monday or I think it was Monday
[01:08:18.320 --> 01:08:26.040]  finally, the CIA confirmed that John Brennan was in Kiev, but denied, but denied that he
[01:08:26.040 --> 01:08:30.240]  was there to help the Kiev push-
[01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:31.240]  Push.
[01:08:31.240 --> 01:08:32.240]  Push.
[01:08:32.240 --> 01:08:39.920]  Yeah, you can see why he went, it's like, you guys got to get this thing under control,
[01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.920]  your army isn't deserting you, your police aren't following orders, this doesn't look
[01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:44.920]  good on CNN.
[01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:49.800]  So it looks like when I put out, you know, instead of saying Interfax, when I put out
[01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:56.840]  ABC News, I got a reaction that kind of snowballed on Twitter, you know, when you quote an American
[01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:04.760]  source, instead of a Russian source, the thing is, is that, what was it, Zero Hedge put out
[01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:17.120]  a little blog that said the CIA had better, you know, what do you call it, omit the facts
[01:09:17.120 --> 01:09:24.360]  or the Russians or Ukrainians might come out with a telephone intercept that confirms it.
[01:09:24.360 --> 01:09:28.960]  And you know, that's funny because, you know, we're not the only one, our government is
[01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:34.160]  not the only ones who has this technology of snooping on everybody, okay?
[01:09:34.160 --> 01:09:39.360]  And it looks to me like Vladimir Putin, you know, now after all, a guy ran, I think he
[01:09:39.360 --> 01:09:45.120]  ran the KGB, if not was a high official in the KGB, he knows all about this stuff, he's
[01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:49.680]  been playing rope-a-dope, right, he's been letting the Americans do what they want.
[01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:54.840]  And then they come out with these intercepts, which show them to be flat out liars.
[01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:55.840]  Yeah.
[01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.000]  So maybe that's, you're right, maybe that's spooking them now.
[01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:05.760]  I've gotten more news from that type of information on Twitter than I've gotten from The Intercept,
[01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:11.560]  the thing founded by Glenn Greenwald, Omidyar, Pierre Omidyar, and Jeremy Scahill.
[01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.000]  Oh yeah, they're in a box.
[01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.000]  Those people are in a box.
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.480]  They're getting paid by this American oligarch, Omidyar, who, you know, what was he, PayPal
[01:10:19.480 --> 01:10:25.720]  or something, and got lots of money, put a quarter of a billion dollars into this really
[01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.920]  cool news thing, you know, and they can't talk about it.
[01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:34.240]  And it turns out, Odymar, the guy who started this thing, paid Glenn Greenwald, also put
[01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:37.440]  all his money into the revolution in the Ukraine.
[01:10:37.440 --> 01:10:39.000]  What are they going to say about it?
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:45.400]  Our boss is, you know, fomenting revolution in the Ukraine and, you know, what are they
[01:10:45.400 --> 01:10:46.400]  going to do?
[01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:47.400]  Yeah.
[01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:50.120]  Our boss is supporting the right sector Nazis in Ukraine.
[01:10:50.120 --> 01:10:51.120]  Yeah.
[01:10:51.120 --> 01:10:53.680]  What are we going to do?
[01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:57.880]  And the thing is, is that it was so funny as I looked at the tweets of, I didn't check
[01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:05.200]  Greenwald's tweets on Ukraine, but there's next to nothing, Scahill, his Twitter handle,
[01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:14.120]  his last tweet was after he lost the Academy Award for his movie, Dirty Wars, his last
[01:11:14.120 --> 01:11:17.880]  tweet was just thanking all the people that supported him in the movie, and I think that
[01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:18.880]  was March 4th.
[01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:19.880]  So, great.
[01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:26.080]  You're talking about Jeremy Scahill, the guy who, you know, made his bones on Democracy
[01:11:26.080 --> 01:11:32.160]  Now with Amy Goodman, and he's the guy who did all the Blackwater reporting and stuff
[01:11:32.160 --> 01:11:36.720]  in The Mercenary, you know, good reporting, but then he goes and he makes this movie,
[01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.000]  Dirty Wars, and he forgets to mention the CIA in it.
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.400]  It's got a lot of criticism, especially from what, Peter Valentine?
[01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:48.480]  Peter Valentine, and then he forgets to mention the death squads in Libya and Blackwater in
[01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:56.280]  Syria, and Blackwater in the Ukraine, you know, like what Webster calls, Webster Tarpley
[01:11:56.280 --> 01:11:58.200]  calls a limited hangout.
[01:11:58.200 --> 01:12:07.320]  You have some good stuff, but you marginalize the extent of the crime, you know.
[01:12:07.320 --> 01:12:11.400]  Friends, if you're just tuning in now, this part, you know, it's a little bit rambling,
[01:12:11.400 --> 01:12:13.400]  and I'm sorry, it's a little bit like inside baseball.
[01:12:13.400 --> 01:12:15.080]  I know exactly what Joe's talking about.
[01:12:15.080 --> 01:12:23.320]  You may not, this section of the discussion is concerning the pro-war left and especially
[01:12:23.320 --> 01:12:29.920]  their alternative media stars like Democracy Now and Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald,
[01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:35.800]  who you know, come out like a house on fire and they present some great information, but
[01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.560]  then they fall right in line behind the neocons subsequently.
[01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:45.960]  They're all behind the war being cooked up and served to the Syrian people.
[01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:51.080]  I guess they were behind the whole thing that happened in Libya, democracy, democracy, democracy
[01:12:51.080 --> 01:12:54.480]  is all you have to say, and these people get behind it.
[01:12:54.480 --> 01:12:55.480]  I don't know exactly why.
[01:12:55.480 --> 01:13:00.440]  I don't know if they're dupes or if they're, you know, on the payroll or maybe a little
[01:13:00.440 --> 01:13:01.440]  bit of both.
[01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:02.440]  What do you think, Joe?
[01:13:02.440 --> 01:13:03.800]  Why do these people do this kind of stuff?
[01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:09.400]  I know that they're beholden in some cases to these large donations from these large
[01:13:09.400 --> 01:13:15.520]  foundations, which have been known to be funnels for conduits for CIA money in the past for
[01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:16.520]  this kind of stuff.
[01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.400]  Tom, you just answered your own question.
[01:13:19.400 --> 01:13:24.560]  They sold out to celebrity.
[01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.600]  The other thing, I have to give a kudos to Amy Goodman though.
[01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.520]  And this is a first, well, maybe a second.
[01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:40.000]  Amy Goodman finally got an education by Seymour Hersh about who was using poison gas in Syria.
[01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:44.880]  Right after she allowed Seymour Hersh to come on and talk about how all evidence points
[01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:53.720]  to the CIA-backed rebels used the gas, the chemical weapons on civilians.
[01:13:53.720 --> 01:14:02.920]  After she did that, a few months later, Jeremy Scahill bars Blackball's sister Marion Agnes
[01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:11.280]  Delacroix from speaking at an anti-war rally conference in Britain.
[01:14:11.280 --> 01:14:14.640]  He tells the conference in Britain that he won't be their keynote speaker if she
[01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.680]  attends that conference.
[01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:18.680]  Amy Goodman-
[01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:20.160]  One second, one second.
[01:14:20.160 --> 01:14:21.960]  Joe, what came first?
[01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:30.180]  The conference that Scahill threatened to torpedo, if somebody came who contradicted
[01:14:30.180 --> 01:14:36.960]  what he has to say, or Seymour Hersh setting his mentor, Amy Goodman, straight on Democracy
[01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:37.960]  Now, which came first?
[01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:45.040]  I would think that Seymour Hersh, his information is relatively new compared to sister Agnes's,
[01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:46.040]  no?
[01:14:46.040 --> 01:14:47.040]  Joe Goodman-
[01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:50.480]  Well, I'm trying to remember actually right now, because it was in September when all
[01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:52.600]  this thing, we were going to go to war.
[01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.440]  And I think, you know, I'll have to check with Seymour Hersh first came out on Democracy
[01:14:56.440 --> 01:14:57.440]  Now.
[01:14:57.440 --> 01:14:58.440]  Amy Goodman-
[01:14:58.440 --> 01:15:03.600]  I don't know when he came out on Democracy Now, but his big reportage on the fake sarin
[01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:07.680]  gas attack story in Syria, I think is relatively new.
[01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.200]  I think it doesn't go as far back as Scahill.
[01:15:10.200 --> 01:15:14.680]  Now, friends, again, this is a little Inside Baseball, so let me clear up real quick.
[01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:15.680]  You know, Jeremy Scahill-
[01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:16.680]  Joe Goodman-
[01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:20.680]  The first report, the second report just came out last a few weeks ago.
[01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:21.680]  Amy Goodman-
[01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:22.680]  Right, and that's more definitive.
[01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:23.680]  Joe Goodman-
[01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:24.680]  I'll have to check.
[01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:25.680]  I'll have to check.
[01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:26.680]  You might be right.
[01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.680]  Because it's around that same time.
[01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:30.680]  Amy Goodman-
[01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.280]  Let me recap this, because again, Joe, it's a little bit Inside Baseball.
[01:15:34.280 --> 01:15:38.800]  Listeners, what we're talking about here is, you know, the fake gas attack in Syria.
[01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:46.080]  Just like this leaflet, you know, this is the fake gas attack version happening in Ukraine,
[01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:47.880]  this anti-Semitic leaflet.
[01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:52.120]  You know, that's a real hot button issue, like poison gas on kids is a hot button issue.
[01:15:52.120 --> 01:15:53.120]  Okay.
[01:15:53.120 --> 01:15:57.940]  John Kerry, same behavior in both instances, rushes out to the microphones, this is terrible.
[01:15:57.940 --> 01:15:59.200]  This will not stand.
[01:15:59.200 --> 01:16:00.560]  It smells like a rat.
[01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.680]  Why would the Syrians use poison gas on their own people when they're winning their war
[01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.560]  that we're pushing in their own country?
[01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:11.960]  They invite UN inspectors to come in to check for nerve gas and stuff.
[01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:14.280]  And then why would they do this right under their nose?
[01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:15.280]  It's stupid.
[01:16:15.280 --> 01:16:16.280]  Okay.
[01:16:16.280 --> 01:16:20.200]  Yet, John Kerry, just like this leaflet is stupid, John Kerry's out there screaming.
[01:16:20.200 --> 01:16:30.040]  So the sister, Maryam De La Crosse, a Catholic nun in Syria, she does an investigation, said
[01:16:30.040 --> 01:16:35.720]  it's all baloney, and they invite her to a peace conference in London last winter to
[01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:36.720]  tell about it.
[01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.840]  And Jeremy Scahill is going to be there, the darling of democracy now.
[01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:46.160]  And he throws a fit and says, well, if this nun comes to talk about how fake this poison
[01:16:46.160 --> 01:16:48.400]  gas attack was, I'm not going to speak.
[01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:49.680]  So she had to withdraw.
[01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.760]  And now months later, everybody knows it was fake.
[01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:55.320]  Thank you, Sister Maryam.
[01:16:55.320 --> 01:16:57.120]  Anyway, Joe Calhoun is with us.
[01:16:57.120 --> 01:17:00.880]  We'll be right back with him just after this.
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[01:19:25.040 --> 01:19:53.200]  I don't want to be hanging by a needle and thread, by the word left unsaid, by the sound
[01:19:53.200 --> 01:19:54.200]  in my head.
[01:19:54.200 --> 01:19:55.200]  I don't want to be hanging by a needle and thread.
[01:19:55.200 --> 01:20:03.320]  That's maybe the Neocon plan in the Ukraine, causing trouble, causing trouble, sticking
[01:20:03.320 --> 01:20:05.320]  it to the Russians.
[01:20:05.320 --> 01:20:09.120]  Now, Joe, you've been accused of this too.
[01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:17.520]  Because you're standing up for what's right and true, the people who want to gain an advantage
[01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:23.440]  all over the world are going to try to paint you as being a sympathizer of the Russians
[01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:26.280]  or this or that and the other thing.
[01:20:26.280 --> 01:20:31.680]  And I know you well enough, correct me if I'm wrong, you're like I am on this.
[01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:38.240]  No place in the world is perfect, but we don't have any more right to go and interfere in
[01:20:38.240 --> 01:20:42.500]  Russia's backyard than they do to come and interfere in our backyard.
[01:20:42.500 --> 01:20:48.240]  And no matter where you go in the world, if you have enough money, you can pay splitters,
[01:20:48.240 --> 01:20:54.520]  you can pay separatists, you can pay discontented people, you can pay crazy people to start
[01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:59.860]  trouble and make it look like, you know, there's oppression and that sort of stuff.
[01:20:59.860 --> 01:21:03.160]  Not that there isn't oppression, there's that too.
[01:21:03.160 --> 01:21:08.320]  But you're saying you're starting to get some of that in your tweets, they're accusing
[01:21:08.320 --> 01:21:11.920]  you of what, like you're trying to bring back the Cold War, no?
[01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:19.760]  Oh my God, it's like people sound like Joe McCarthy on their tweets to me.
[01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:23.240]  Who wrote that, who's writing this for you?
[01:21:23.240 --> 01:21:27.320]  Who's paying you to say this on Twitter?
[01:21:27.320 --> 01:21:30.960]  And I come back and I say, it sounds like Joe McCarthy all over again and some of these
[01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:34.560]  people are too young to know who in the hell Joe McCarthy was.
[01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:41.360]  And the same with Stephen Cohen, he's been giving to his credit, somehow has gotten on
[01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:46.440]  the mainstream media to give Chris Hayes an education about Ukraine.
[01:21:46.440 --> 01:21:53.680]  And fortunately, Amy Goodman has had him on several times now, and she has, and Juan Gonzalez
[01:21:53.680 --> 01:22:02.880]  have finally gotten an education about Ukraine and these Gene Sharp, Albert Einstein, U.S.
[01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:08.440]  manufactured colored revolutions that have gone on for the last, what, 10, 15 years?
[01:22:08.440 --> 01:22:11.120]  I can't even remember when it started.
[01:22:11.120 --> 01:22:19.960]  You know, all these pro-war lefties, okay, and friends, I'm speaking as a progressive
[01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:24.560]  liberal person from Brooklyn, New York of all places, it doesn't get much more liberal
[01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.660]  than that in this country, they may be Massachusetts, I don't know.
[01:22:27.660 --> 01:22:33.000]  But Joe, all these pro-war lefties that are going along with this Arab Spring phony baloney
[01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:41.680]  stuff and, you know, Libya, democracy, Syria, democracy, Ukraine, democracy, democracy,
[01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:48.440]  how come they're not like sticking their heads out the upper floor window yelling, when are
[01:22:48.440 --> 01:22:51.240]  we going to have democracy in Cuba?
[01:22:51.240 --> 01:22:57.760]  How come they leave Cuba off the list of places that, you know, there should be a revolution?
[01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.920]  You ever think of that?
[01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:08.000]  Oh, well, you know, it's like, it's like the exact same things, and this is where on
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.680]  Abby Martin's show, she had Tom Hayden, who's going to be in New York City at the end of
[01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:17.600]  the month at the Left Forum, he's going to be one of the keynote speakers along with
[01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:26.160]  Angela Davis, and he tried to cushion his remarks to Abby Martin to explain, he didn't
[01:23:26.160 --> 01:23:31.520]  quite go into it, but that the same thing that's going on in Venezuela with the street
[01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:43.040]  protests against the government there are the same neocon types that are, would be like
[01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:47.480]  the Tea Party, you know, a minority in this country, the Tea Party going and storming
[01:23:47.480 --> 01:23:53.680]  the gates of the White House and demanding the overthrow of the government, you know.
[01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:58.880]  And so I was hoping he was going to talk about Ukraine and tie it to Ukraine, because Abby
[01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:07.680]  Martin has been more or less a silent apologist for these neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
[01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:18.120]  She hasn't, when she came out about criticizing the Russians for Crimea, she has only spent,
[01:24:18.120 --> 01:24:29.880]  I counted it, 45 seconds on Ukraine on events that didn't involve her, and 15 seconds on
[01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:33.680]  John Brennan being in Ukraine, the CIA drone king.
[01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:34.680]  The other-
[01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:38.840]  All right, hold on one second, one second, inside baseball alert, inside baseball alert.
[01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:46.680]  Okay, friends, if you don't know, Joe is referring to a young woman who's a commentator on Russia
[01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.680]  Today.
[01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:53.480]  I think she came up with the We Are Change People in San Diego, was at one point, I believe,
[01:24:53.480 --> 01:25:02.000]  a 9-11 truth-er, but, you know, she got herself onto Russia Today, and congratulations.
[01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.420]  And she has a show on there called Breaking the Set.
[01:25:05.420 --> 01:25:11.120]  And it's a really interesting show, Joe, because first of all, you know, she's a young person
[01:25:11.120 --> 01:25:18.440]  full of, you know, righteous indignation about a lot of important subjects that we cover
[01:25:18.440 --> 01:25:19.440]  on this show.
[01:25:19.440 --> 01:25:23.200]  She has had a lot of similar, of the same guests that I've covered over the years, probably
[01:25:23.200 --> 01:25:28.480]  when she was back in high school or something, on her show, and, you know, I give her a lot
[01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:29.880]  of credit for trying and everything.
[01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:38.160]  But then she came out with the totally wrong take on this Crimean situation, and it exposed,
[01:25:38.160 --> 01:25:42.600]  I think, I hope, anyway, a lot of naivete on her part.
[01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:45.640]  I doubt if it's because she's an operative.
[01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:49.800]  But then she kind of got slammed, and I guess she hasn't talked about it too much.
[01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.240]  That's the person you're talking about when you mean Abby Martins, correct?
[01:25:53.240 --> 01:25:59.360]  Yeah, but to her credit, she did initially a few days after she, you know, made her claim
[01:25:59.360 --> 01:26:07.400]  to fame of being on Piers Morgan's CNN to talk about this and other outlets, like there's
[01:26:07.400 --> 01:26:08.400]  an interesting take.
[01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:11.560]  I won't get into it, because it's also inside ballgame stuff.
[01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:21.120]  But after she did that, to her credit, she did have Alexei Yaroshevsky on, who was actually
[01:26:21.120 --> 01:26:23.120]  on the ground in Crimea.
[01:26:23.120 --> 01:26:25.520]  And so she had one segment on him.
[01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:32.320]  Then she had Eric Dreitzer, who's been on your program, debate with somebody.
[01:26:32.320 --> 01:26:33.320]  And that's it.
[01:26:33.320 --> 01:26:38.840]  That did her some total thing about Ukraine, except for how she became a media star with
[01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.640]  her comment, how she got in to be the center, not the centerfold, but a center article in
[01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:56.000]  the Rolling Stone about her being this badass, what, anti-Putin star on Russia today.
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:57.000]  And so...
[01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:58.000]  Well, this is how it happened.
[01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:03.760]  It starts out as a young, hip person who, you know, is talking good sense, and then
[01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:04.760]  they start to stray.
[01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.880]  And when they do, then all of a sudden the mainstream media makes him a darling, you
[01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:08.880]  know?
[01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:10.200]  And it's kind of like what they're doing with Jeremy Scahill.
[01:27:10.200 --> 01:27:13.160]  You know, he's on Bill Maher and all that kind of stuff.
[01:27:13.160 --> 01:27:17.200]  But Joe, we should be clear, shouldn't we, that the reason all of this is happening in
[01:27:17.200 --> 01:27:27.920]  the first place is because, you know, this country has been so dumbed down and so reduced
[01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:38.200]  to Twitter's monosyllabic, you know, sentences filled with monosyllabic even, not even words
[01:27:38.200 --> 01:27:42.320]  anymore, that people don't seem to have the wherewithal, right?
[01:27:42.320 --> 01:27:47.960]  In other words, all it is is if you say the word democracy, you must be talking about
[01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:50.160]  something good.
[01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:52.000]  And they don't teach anybody history anymore.
[01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:56.680]  I've heard, years ago I heard it, I just saw it again recently, reading in the comments
[01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:01.560]  somewhere, they stopped teaching you history at World War II in high school.
[01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:07.280]  Now, of course, a lot of the stuff we're suffering through today happened after World War II,
[01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:10.460]  you know, when it became the Cold War and then subsequently after that.
[01:28:10.460 --> 01:28:17.920]  But I can't believe that people like Abby Martin can fall for this stuff.
[01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:21.400]  All they have to do, it's like they're hypnotized by the word democracy.
[01:28:21.400 --> 01:28:23.920]  What's your take?
[01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:30.480]  I think she's going through a bit of an identity crisis now, because she got burned on Twitter
[01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:32.360]  by yours truly.
[01:28:32.360 --> 01:28:35.960]  She doesn't say at the end of her program, follow us on Twitter, because she's going
[01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:36.960]  to see my tweets.
[01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.560]  They're going to see my tweets regarding her.
[01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:50.800]  And I've kind of laid off, because, oh, a mutual friend of ours committed suicide.
[01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.880]  And we might talk about that.
[01:28:53.880 --> 01:29:00.800]  But the thing is, is I think she's going through a bit of an identity crisis about where her
[01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:05.600]  moral compass is now, as she called it, on this, the issues.
[01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:06.600]  Well, that's good.
[01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:07.600]  That's good.
[01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:11.960]  If your moral compass is screwed up, then you should be going through an identity crisis.
[01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:13.840]  Hopefully you can get it sorted back out, no?
[01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.560]  But if you're clueless, you're not going to have a crisis, you're just going to have
[01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.560]  a bad compass, no?
[01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:19.560]  Yeah.
[01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.880]  And so I'm laying off her for a while.
[01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:25.760]  I'm going to keep monitoring her reports, of course.
[01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:33.920]  But so far, she's kind of gone on to mostly social issues and, you know, she's the walrus
[01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:41.360]  at SeaWorld and the, you know, the Greenwald, Snowden stuff and rap, you know, hip-hop.
[01:29:41.360 --> 01:29:45.040]  Well, speaking of which, did you see the latest story?
[01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:49.480]  Snowden asks Putin in Russia, are you spying on Russia?
[01:29:49.480 --> 01:29:53.920]  Boy, that's a good timing, huh, with all this stuff going on in the Ukraine.
[01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:54.920]  But anyway, let's take a quick break.
[01:29:54.920 --> 01:30:03.000]  We're talking with Joe Calhoun, and the phone lines are open, 512-646-1984, right?
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[01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:26.640]  What an appropriate song.
[01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:30.520]  I wanted my friend Joe Calhoun to hear it, that's why we didn't talk for a bit.
[01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:35.280]  Fairport Convention, you know, it's so easy these days to get good music, you can download
[01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:37.920]  it, hopefully you're paying for it so the artists get a little bit of money out of the
[01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:43.200]  deal, but I recommend everybody get that, so what's it going to cost you, 99 cents
[01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:50.200]  on iTunes or something, or if you use a better service, I got it for 49 cents, and it's Fairport
[01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:54.360]  Convention's song, it's Jewel in the Crown, you listen to that, man, they really sock
[01:34:54.360 --> 01:34:59.440]  it to their British empire, this is a British group, and we are Britannia, jewel in the
[01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:07.300]  crown, we tear their borders down, we rule an empire, we'll come in with our gun shells,
[01:35:07.300 --> 01:35:11.520]  our boys will come in with our gun shells for a small slice of their oil wells and on
[01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:13.080]  and on, it's a great song.
[01:35:13.080 --> 01:35:14.080]  So Joe.
[01:35:14.080 --> 01:35:20.720]  I'm glad you brought up some of that, it was very interesting, it just all of a sudden
[01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:26.520]  reminded me of Bob Dylan's song God on Our Side, and the best rendition of that, if you
[01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:36.000]  can Google it during the break, is Joan Baez in 1967 in Sweden, she sings Bob Dylan's God
[01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:41.000]  on Our Side, and it's very prophetic because at the end it talks about we were born to
[01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:49.920]  hate Russians all of our lives, and if a new war comes, it's them who must die or something
[01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:56.760]  like that, so it actually, at the end of the song, which is a six minute song, talks about
[01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:02.480]  Russians and how we're going to have to go to war with the Russians, so-
[01:36:02.480 --> 01:36:06.480]  We, yeah, we, yeah, yeah, we, I told, you know, my listeners know this story, I was
[01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:12.240]  face to face with the Russians when I was a kid in the army at the end of the Vietnam
[01:36:12.240 --> 01:36:20.000]  War stationed in West Berlin, okay, all right, I'm like a young, you know, I was a spec
[01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:27.360]  four specialist, and I actually came nose to nose with young Russian soldiers my own
[01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:34.840]  age, okay, when I was transiting from West Berlin out to West Germany by car, you had
[01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:39.800]  to go with special papers called flag orders, you didn't talk to the East German Volkspolice,
[01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:45.600]  you drove around them, you went to a separate little off to the side guard house, manned
[01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:50.960]  by Russian military, and they weren't big shots, they were young guys just like me,
[01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:54.280]  and we didn't care, we just wanted to trade with each other, we didn't have any problem,
[01:36:54.280 --> 01:36:57.280]  I looked at these guys and said, these guys are the same like me, they don't want to be
[01:36:57.280 --> 01:37:03.240]  here in Germany, right, this is a holdover from World War II, I don't have a problem
[01:37:03.240 --> 01:37:07.600]  with them, they don't have a problem with me, and years later, I'm happy to say I met
[01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:14.000]  those same guys my own age, not the exact same people, but I have many good Russian
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:19.040]  friends and associates that I've worked with who are my own age, who are also in their
[01:37:19.040 --> 01:37:22.560]  draft in their military at the same time, and they were supposed to kill me at the drop
[01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:28.640]  of a hat, like I was supposed to kill them, and it's all BS, so anyways, Joe, but listen,
[01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:32.040]  before we continue, you mentioned it before, I feel like we should say something about
[01:37:32.040 --> 01:37:43.680]  it, a mutual acquaintance of ours, Mike Rupert, okay, died the other day, apparently by killing
[01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:51.000]  himself, at least that we're told, and I think we should mention it, you want to say something
[01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:53.720]  about Mike Rupert and his passing, Joe?
[01:37:53.720 --> 01:38:02.560]  Well, Mike Rupert was very good to start leading the charge with the 9-1-1 truth movement,
[01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:10.200]  but then he changed a little bit, and I don't know why, but it was like, I remember the
[01:38:10.200 --> 01:38:17.080]  conference that I shared the stage with him in San Francisco in 2004, and I think it was
[01:38:17.080 --> 01:38:24.440]  either at that conference or another one where he mentioned, I think it might have been in
[01:38:24.440 --> 01:38:29.000]  Toronto, that he mentioned that there was a certain time period that you had to indict
[01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:36.440]  Cheney and Bush on 9-1-1, or we had to move on, we had to forget it, and then he started
[01:38:36.440 --> 01:38:45.040]  on the peak oil thing, and then in his later years, he kind of went into this kind of an
[01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:53.800]  Armageddon-type paradigm of collapse and how the world is going to collapse because we're
[01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:55.360]  just ravaging-
[01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:56.360]  Overpopulation.
[01:38:56.360 --> 01:38:58.640]  He started to get into the whole eugenics thing.
[01:38:58.640 --> 01:38:59.640]  Overpopulation.
[01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:00.640]  Yeah.
[01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:08.720]  So earlier, he was very good, but it seemed like he kind of got either worked on or sucked
[01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:21.000]  into it, and then we did invite him to the 2011 9-1-1 conference on Walker Street, and
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:22.000]  that's-
[01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:23.520]  The INN conference here in New York that we had supposedly-
[01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:26.440]  And he actually gave a pretty good presentation there.
[01:39:26.440 --> 01:39:32.400]  Yeah, but Joe, I have to say, I think you start the picture on Mike Ruppert a little
[01:39:32.400 --> 01:39:33.400]  late.
[01:39:33.400 --> 01:39:38.000]  It goes back earlier than that when he was clearly a firebrand and was doing some really
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  good stuff.
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:46.840]  Mike Ruppert, friends, was an L.A. police department officer with a very, very interesting
[01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:47.840]  story.
[01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:53.000]  Now, L.A. has got or had, anyway, one of the most corrupt police departments in the country,
[01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:58.120]  and he was involved in that, and if you listen to him as a young cop, he talked about knowing
[01:39:58.120 --> 01:40:05.160]  the guys who were involved in the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, people who were involved
[01:40:05.160 --> 01:40:08.920]  in destroying evidence and that sort of thing in that.
[01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:11.760]  They took him in, they thought he was going to be one of theirs, they showed him a lot
[01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:20.700]  of stuff, and later on, during the whole Iran-Contra situation, when the Contras were shipping
[01:40:20.700 --> 01:40:26.080]  cocaine in massive quantities up to the United States, and it caused the crack cocaine epidemic
[01:40:26.080 --> 01:40:30.720]  in Los Angeles, Ruppert was a cop trying to get to the bottom of it and was uncovering
[01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:35.920]  it and got in a lot of trouble for it and had his life threatened, and he subsequently
[01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:42.760]  quit the L.A. police department, and he was instrumental in getting Maxine Waters and
[01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:49.400]  others to hold then-CIA director John Deutch's feet to the fire and have them come out to
[01:40:49.400 --> 01:40:51.920]  L.A. and say, no, the CIA is not doing this.
[01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:58.560]  He was behind that, and the CIA promised to get back to him, and they never did, and then
[01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:04.040]  went from there, he created a website from the wilderness, and then he got into peak
[01:41:04.040 --> 01:41:09.640]  oil in 9-11, and then he started turning me off, and I had a lot of respect for him, but
[01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:14.480]  he started to go off the rails, I think, a little bit, and then he ended up on the History
[01:41:14.480 --> 01:41:21.120]  Channel with this overpopulation, Armageddon, end-of-the-world stuff, and now it seems like
[01:41:21.120 --> 01:41:25.840]  he's killed himself, I think after a radio show of his last weekend or something.
[01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:32.240]  I don't even know how, I don't have the details, but I got to tell you, Joe, I've been disappointed
[01:41:32.240 --> 01:41:36.280]  with Mike Rupert for a long time, to the point where I'm not really... Typically, when I
[01:41:36.280 --> 01:41:42.720]  see something like this, I start to look into it, was this guy suicided or what?
[01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:51.280]  I'm not even doing that with Mike because he, I think, for whatever reason, he had a
[01:41:51.280 --> 01:41:55.800]  difficult period, he ducked out of everything for a while, he went into being a rock and
[01:41:55.800 --> 01:42:00.640]  roll guy or something like that, and very tormented, I think, although he did a lot
[01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:06.120]  of good work, but toward the end, I think he was kind of all over the place.
[01:42:06.120 --> 01:42:08.840]  How does that compare?
[01:42:08.840 --> 01:42:15.280]  I think so, and I think, my own opinion is that he seemed like he was... It's like I
[01:42:15.280 --> 01:42:20.720]  have stone says, when you make a stand on something, and it comes out, and you reveal
[01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:29.120]  a scandal or something, I have stone, who was a commentator, a writer in the 60s during
[01:42:29.120 --> 01:42:35.320]  the anti-war movement, says, you have to be careful, because once you come out and you
[01:42:35.320 --> 01:42:47.920]  expose a scandal, you get approached by friends who want to help you and guide you, and I
[01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:56.040]  think maybe this is what had happened, is that once he revealed a scandal with the CIA
[01:42:56.040 --> 01:43:02.400]  that was too hot to handle, he got handled himself by...
[01:43:02.400 --> 01:43:06.680]  Yeah, there's no shortage of that sort of thing.
[01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:10.120]  In fact, I don't know if you were listening last week, but Barbara Honegger was on the
[01:43:10.120 --> 01:43:11.120]  show.
[01:43:11.120 --> 01:43:12.680]  Did you catch our show with Barbara Honegger last week?
[01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:13.680]  No, I didn't.
[01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.400]  I have to catch that now.
[01:43:15.400 --> 01:43:19.920]  Well, listen, on that subject, we got a few seconds left before the break, we got one
[01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:27.520]  more segment, but listen to this, Barbara Honegger exposed a lot of the Iran part of
[01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:33.640]  the Iran-Contra scandal, and she really laid it out, and through a mutual friend of hers,
[01:43:33.640 --> 01:43:40.880]  she was contacted by Fletcher Prouty, who took her to lunch in Washington to discuss
[01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:41.880]  it.
[01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:48.520]  She said, Fletcher told her, not only goes along with what you said, but it was mind-boggling,
[01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:52.600]  but I'm going to keep everybody on the edge of their seat.
[01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:56.440]  If you didn't hear the show with Barbara, I think it was last week, I'll tell you what
[01:43:56.440 --> 01:43:59.440]  she said, right on the other side of the break right now.
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[01:46:59.360 --> 01:47:13.440]  Oh yeah, better words are never spoken, the house you live in will never fall down if
[01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:15.440]  you pity the stranger that stands at your door.
[01:47:15.440 --> 01:47:19.120]  I think that's a real important tenet in the Islamic countries.
[01:47:19.120 --> 01:47:25.480]  I hear nothing but hospitality, especially for travelers and people who need help.
[01:47:25.480 --> 01:47:30.160]  But I don't know, I can't say that I really experienced it directly there, but I certainly
[01:47:30.160 --> 01:47:35.640]  have experienced that sort of treatment from Islamic Americans over here.
[01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:37.640]  Anyway, Gordon Lightfoot.
[01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:47.480]  So Joe, you know, we were talking about Mike Rupert and his unfortunate demise.
[01:47:47.480 --> 01:47:51.080]  But you know, one of the things that he used to talk about a lot that's kind of irksome
[01:47:51.080 --> 01:47:53.960]  to me actually is this whole peak oil thing.
[01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:56.640]  Can we talk about that for a moment?
[01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:59.640]  Sure, sure, go ahead.
[01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:03.400]  I find, I have very little, pardon me?
[01:48:03.400 --> 01:48:08.960]  I just want to say that's kind of the point where he kind of dumped 9-1-1 truth and went
[01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:10.960]  on to peak oil.
[01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:20.880]  I mean, kind of made that the most important thing and put 9-1-1 kind of on the back burner.
[01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:25.280]  I find this whole peak oil thing very, very, very irksome.
[01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:26.280]  And I'll tell you why.
[01:48:26.280 --> 01:48:27.280]  All right.
[01:48:27.280 --> 01:48:29.180]  Look, for a couple of reasons.
[01:48:29.180 --> 01:48:37.920]  First of all, oil, fossil fuel, in my opinion, is dirty.
[01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:39.460]  It does cause pollution.
[01:48:39.460 --> 01:48:45.000]  It causes death, especially in places like the South Bronx where, you know, on the cross
[01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:49.040]  Bronx Expressway and there's traffic jams and there's all kinds of asthma and kids dying
[01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:55.880]  all around that traffic snarl that happens a couple of times a day, all right?
[01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.960]  It's very difficult on the environment to extract and it causes a lot of problems, especially
[01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:01.760]  the fracking stuff.
[01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:05.640]  It's just bad news stuff, okay?
[01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:12.200]  And there are much better ways to power things that are cleaner and more efficient and more
[01:49:12.200 --> 01:49:14.960]  renewable.
[01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:19.760]  So it should be dumped oil for that reason alone.
[01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:20.760]  That's it.
[01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:24.560]  I don't need anybody to tell me it should be dumped because it's going to run out.
[01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:26.320]  I don't care.
[01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:30.240]  I think back in the Arab oil embargo when I was a kid in the Army in the 70s, you know,
[01:49:30.240 --> 01:49:33.000]  that was that we should have, we were all talking, you know, we're going to have to
[01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:34.000]  figure out something new.
[01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:35.360]  Never happened, did it?
[01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:36.440]  All right.
[01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:39.920]  So I don't need somebody to tell me we have to get off of oil because it's going to run
[01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:40.920]  out.
[01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:45.200]  We've got to get off oil well before that because it's just bad news stuff, in my opinion,
[01:49:45.200 --> 01:49:46.200]  okay?
[01:49:46.200 --> 01:49:52.640]  However, having said that, it makes much more sense to me that the whole concept of peak
[01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:59.320]  oil could very well be being put out by the oil people to justify gouging us and charging
[01:49:59.320 --> 01:50:02.080]  more and more expensive prices.
[01:50:02.080 --> 01:50:07.280]  So the fact that somebody like that has to get off into a tangent about, and they keep
[01:50:07.280 --> 01:50:10.880]  moving the goalposts, you know, we were supposed to run out of oil at the end of the 70s and
[01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:15.840]  the end of the 80s and the end of the 90s, you know, oil, oil, oil, and, you know, now
[01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:18.440]  they even, some people think it's not even a fossil thing.
[01:50:18.440 --> 01:50:22.480]  It could be, you know, generated at the scenes in the earth where the tectonic plates come
[01:50:22.480 --> 01:50:26.680]  together and there may be more of it than we ever dreamed.
[01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:29.560]  You know, so that's what I feel about this peak oil.
[01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:32.920]  I don't need somebody to tell me we're going to run out of oil to know that it's a good
[01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:34.560]  idea to get off of it.
[01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:36.560]  What do you think?
[01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:38.920]  Oh, I think so too.
[01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:44.080]  And, you know, the other thing that Mike Rupert said, and I can remember it because I went
[01:50:44.080 --> 01:50:48.320]  to his website, Voices of the Wilderness, because people were talking about, hey, we
[01:50:48.320 --> 01:50:54.040]  should go with wind energy, electric energy, you know, and all this other stuff.
[01:50:54.040 --> 01:50:59.600]  And he kind of made it, I think it was actually at a 911 conference where he's asked a question.
[01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:06.240]  He said that, oh no, don't even do that because it's fruitless because with all the solar
[01:51:06.240 --> 01:51:13.320]  panels, wind generators and everything else, it would only supply 5% of the energy needs.
[01:51:13.320 --> 01:51:18.800]  And I'm going, well, you know, there's a way to conserve energy where we don't, you
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:21.760]  know, we don't, we can do mass transit and things like this.
[01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:27.400]  We don't have to have everybody having their own helicopter or car, you know, to do things.
[01:51:27.400 --> 01:51:40.360]  And so he downplayed trying to even use alternative methods to reduce our dependency on fossil
[01:51:40.360 --> 01:51:41.360]  fuels.
[01:51:41.360 --> 01:51:42.360]  I thought that was...
[01:51:42.360 --> 01:51:46.040]  And not only that, Joe, but that was, you know, when a guy like that says something,
[01:51:46.040 --> 01:51:49.600]  he's talking about technology as it is today, right?
[01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:50.600]  He can't be omniscient.
[01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:54.240]  He can't sit there and tell me, oh, we shouldn't get into alternatives because they'll only
[01:51:54.240 --> 01:51:55.240]  do 5%.
[01:51:55.240 --> 01:52:00.040]  But maybe with your limited knowledge of what's capable today, what about Tesla?
[01:52:00.040 --> 01:52:03.120]  You know, as a matter of fact, I found a movie on Netflix about him and I watched it the
[01:52:03.120 --> 01:52:07.160]  other night, Tesla, you know, it was very interesting, a dramatic presentation about
[01:52:07.160 --> 01:52:08.160]  him.
[01:52:08.160 --> 01:52:09.160]  And they were all in there.
[01:52:09.160 --> 01:52:12.360]  Westinghouse was in there and JP Morgan was in there and everything.
[01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:17.000]  And he's, you know, Tesla had all these great plans and stuff, you know, mother nature,
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:24.280]  what the heck does mother nature need to produce a lightning bolt of energy out of the air
[01:52:24.280 --> 01:52:28.520]  and the electrons and the molecules in the air that we breathe?
[01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:32.960]  Mother nature doesn't seem to have a problem.
[01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:36.600]  I think there's actually, I don't know, maybe it was Abby Martin, I can't remember, it
[01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:37.600]  was Russia today.
[01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:44.080]  But the fact that they're having a cost-effective way of extracting hydrogen out of water to
[01:52:44.080 --> 01:52:53.200]  make it cost-effective to power, we have an unlimited supply of that, you know, because
[01:52:53.200 --> 01:52:56.040]  all the water that comes on the earth is from comets.
[01:52:56.040 --> 01:53:00.160]  And we have micro comets hitting the earth all the time.
[01:53:00.160 --> 01:53:07.840]  So it's almost like we have an unlimited supply of hydrogen that we can use.
[01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:08.840]  Interesting.
[01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:12.120]  Well, Lord knows if global warming is true, we're going to have more water than we're
[01:53:12.120 --> 01:53:14.920]  going to know what to do with when the polar ice caps melt, huh?
[01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:15.920]  How about that?
[01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:21.480]  Yeah, I can't, why can't we extract the heat out of the air and use that as a, you know?
[01:53:21.480 --> 01:53:27.160]  Yeah, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, you know, they used to try to wow us with
[01:53:27.160 --> 01:53:31.800]  statistics and, you know, they'd tell you, you know, within a lightning bolt, there's
[01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:35.480]  enough electricity to run a village of X amount of people, you know?
[01:53:35.480 --> 01:53:36.480]  Right.
[01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:37.480]  Really?
[01:53:37.480 --> 01:53:43.320]  Well, how many times does a lightning bolt strike the earth in one minute all around
[01:53:43.320 --> 01:53:44.320]  the planet?
[01:53:44.320 --> 01:53:46.480]  How many times does lightning bolts come down out of the blue?
[01:53:46.480 --> 01:53:48.800]  You know, there's electricity all around us.
[01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:50.920]  We can figure out a way to get to it.
[01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:56.880]  How many times does the, do the tides ebb and flow, you know, you, you could generate
[01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:57.880]  that?
[01:53:57.880 --> 01:53:58.880]  Well, you know, the Germans are doing that.
[01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:02.600]  The Germans are putting those turbines in the water and, you know, they're, they're putting
[01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:05.040]  the wind generation up and everything else.
[01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.080]  It's, it can happen.
[01:54:07.080 --> 01:54:08.080]  Pardon?
[01:54:08.080 --> 01:54:12.300]  I tell you, there's more wind in Wyoming than there is coal.
[01:54:12.300 --> 01:54:16.840]  You could turn the whole state of Wyoming into a wind generator and it'd probably power
[01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:21.840]  at least the Western half of the United States.
[01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:25.000]  Well I know that, you know, somebody's not going to make a buck off of it, you know,
[01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:26.000]  so I'm surprised.
[01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:30.440]  I worked in Wyoming and it's the windiest state in the country.
[01:54:30.440 --> 01:54:37.120]  Cheyenne, Wyoming is actually really the windy city, not Chicago.
[01:54:37.120 --> 01:54:39.800]  And you see, you know, Wyoming is wind generator zone.
[01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:43.500]  There's all, there's all kinds of ways of extracting, you know, mother nature figures
[01:54:43.500 --> 01:54:46.040]  out how to do it without anything.
[01:54:46.040 --> 01:54:50.000]  You know, we ought to be able to figure it out too, but, and then, you know, then my
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:55.400]  friends start calling me and emailing me, you know, that we already know how to do it.
[01:54:55.400 --> 01:54:56.400]  It's being suppressed.
[01:54:56.400 --> 01:54:57.400]  And then there's the...
[01:54:57.400 --> 01:55:02.560]  And then I get the aliens crowd, you know, the reverse engineering of the crashed spacecraft
[01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:04.240]  that come here.
[01:55:04.240 --> 01:55:06.960]  And that's another thing I have an issue with.
[01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:12.200]  What about you on the aliens?
[01:55:12.200 --> 01:55:14.640]  I don't want to start.
[01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:15.640]  I'm going to start.
[01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:16.640]  Let me tell you.
[01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:17.640]  Here's what I have.
[01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.800]  Here's a problem I have about the whole theory that the aliens have been here trying to help
[01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:24.680]  humanity with all this great technology that they have, but they're being suppressed by
[01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:25.680]  our oligarchy.
[01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:26.680]  Okay.
[01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:27.680]  All right.
[01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:34.720]  Now, the problem I have with that is number one, I think, you know, fabricating stories
[01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:41.160]  about aliens is probably a psyop to cover all kinds of government testing and, you know,
[01:55:41.160 --> 01:55:43.080]  aircraft and all that sort of thing.
[01:55:43.080 --> 01:55:45.960]  Number one, number two, it's probably a good story to keep alive in case you ever want
[01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:50.800]  to just like, you know, wipe out half of humanity and blame it on these aliens that you created,
[01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:55.200]  you know, like H.G. Wells did and Orson Welles did, you know, for their...
[01:55:55.200 --> 01:55:58.120]  They didn't wipe out half of humanity, but they sure got people going.
[01:55:58.120 --> 01:55:59.360]  All right.
[01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:03.360]  But the real problem I have with this whole idea, and I just got an email from a listener
[01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:09.000]  about this again, about the aliens and the alien technology, friends, you have to explain
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:18.680]  to me how a race of beings who are so smart and so sophisticated that they can come here,
[01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:24.000]  they can travel here from across the universe.
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.520]  But when they get here, they're too stupid to figure out how to not be thwarted by the
[01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:31.200]  Bilderberg group.
[01:56:31.200 --> 01:56:32.200]  I don't get that.
[01:56:32.200 --> 01:56:33.880]  I do not get that.
[01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:38.960]  Or, you know, that they're smart enough to come all the way here to visit us cavemen
[01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:40.440]  and women, OK?
[01:56:40.440 --> 01:56:42.360]  And then when they get here, they crash.
[01:56:42.360 --> 01:56:44.400]  They have an accident.
[01:56:44.400 --> 01:56:49.920]  And or they get shot down by these mosquitoes called these gnats called the U.S. Air Force.
[01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:50.920]  I don't get that.
[01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:51.920]  I don't understand.
[01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:57.640]  Why can't, you know, and when they're walking around, oh, darn it, I wish I could communicate,
[01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:00.840]  you know, I got here all the way here, you know, what's this?
[01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:01.840]  What is this?
[01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:04.040]  Can anybody explain that to me?
[01:57:04.040 --> 01:57:06.320]  What do you think, Joe?
[01:57:06.320 --> 01:57:11.880]  Well, I think there's some legitimate alien stuff or extraterrestrial stuff, you know,
[01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:15.880]  perhaps, you know, but it's like me.
[01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:18.200]  And it was at the end of my while.
[01:57:18.200 --> 01:57:19.720]  I won't even get into that.
[01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:26.480]  But I think a lot of this gray stuff and, you know, all these people get visited by
[01:57:26.480 --> 01:57:31.360]  the grays when they're just going to sleep, you know, it's always when they're in bed,
[01:57:31.360 --> 01:57:35.080]  you know, the getting visits by the grays are taken out of their apartment.
[01:57:35.080 --> 01:57:36.080]  Yeah.
[01:57:36.080 --> 01:57:38.120]  Sounds like MK Ultra to me.
[01:57:38.120 --> 01:57:39.120]  Yeah.
[01:57:39.120 --> 01:57:41.480]  No, I want to listen, Joe, I want to be very clear.
[01:57:41.480 --> 01:57:42.480]  I want to get you taken into this.
[01:57:42.480 --> 01:57:47.200]  Just when you're going to bed, you get visited by the grays that you might have some sort
[01:57:47.200 --> 01:57:53.520]  of alternative virtual reality working on your mind or something, you know.
[01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:56.040]  I need to get this in because it's the end of the show.
[01:57:56.040 --> 01:57:58.360]  I want to be clear, friends, I should have mentioned this before.
[01:57:58.360 --> 01:58:02.840]  I am not saying that I do not believe that there is other life forms in the universe.
[01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:06.480]  I'm sure that their life abounds in the universe.
[01:58:06.480 --> 01:58:08.160]  I'm sure there's tons of it.
[01:58:08.160 --> 01:58:13.160]  All I'm talking about is if it's smart enough to travel all the way here and it wants to
[01:58:13.160 --> 01:58:20.280]  help us and it has technology for us, how can it possibly be suppressed by these neanderthals
[01:58:20.280 --> 01:58:22.400]  that run this planet relatively speaking?
[01:58:22.400 --> 01:58:24.440]  Anyway, Joe, that wraps it up.
[01:58:24.440 --> 01:58:26.440]  Thanks for coming on the show.
[01:58:26.440 --> 01:58:31.880]  Okay, we'll talk about troops sometime.
[01:58:31.880 --> 01:58:32.880]  Very good.
[01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:33.880]  Yeah, there is another story.
[01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:35.840]  We'll probably talk about it with Scott Creighton on Thursday night.
[01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:41.480]  The Ukrainian military seems to be giving up and abandoning the government, the puppet
[01:58:41.480 --> 01:58:45.120]  government and, you know, siding with the pro-Russian Ukrainians.
[01:58:45.120 --> 01:58:46.400]  But we'll talk about that on Thursday.
[01:58:46.400 --> 01:58:50.600]  Have a great night.
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