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[04:01.060 --> 04:04.460]  He's got a lot of class.
[04:04.460 --> 04:07.660]  Yeah, when he has class, he goes somewhere else.
[04:07.660 --> 04:09.260]  Isn't that kind of how it is, Steve?
[04:09.260 --> 04:11.660]  Yeah.
[04:11.660 --> 04:14.060]  He's smarter than either one of us, I guess.
[04:14.060 --> 04:15.860]  Was it that he had a class?
[04:15.860 --> 04:17.160]  He had a?
[04:17.160 --> 04:20.760]  Yes, he teaches a class once a month.
[04:20.760 --> 04:25.860]  OK, so it's just me and Steve tonight, or Steve and I,
[04:25.860 --> 04:28.360]  or Steve and somebody.
[04:28.360 --> 04:32.260]  But I did want to, I talked about yesterday a bit
[04:32.260 --> 04:35.460]  about the justices of the peace.
[04:35.460 --> 04:39.060]  We're kind of working a routine on them up here.
[04:39.060 --> 04:46.660]  I just went to a justice of the peace last Thursday.
[04:46.660 --> 04:51.660]  And we had a case where they had actually sued me this time.
[04:51.660 --> 04:56.460]  And we came into court, and I had filed a challenge
[04:56.460 --> 04:58.660]  to subject matter jurisdiction.
[04:58.660 --> 05:03.260]  I'm looking at subject matter jurisdiction
[05:03.260 --> 05:06.060]  as a much more powerful tool than what
[05:06.060 --> 05:09.360]  we had been using in the past.
[05:09.360 --> 05:15.160]  And strategically, it makes a lot more sense.
[05:15.160 --> 05:21.460]  We've been going to the court and challenging the agency
[05:21.460 --> 05:26.860]  standing in capacity of the other party.
[05:26.860 --> 05:28.660]  And for the most part, you can only
[05:28.660 --> 05:33.260]  do this when they take an action against you.
[05:33.260 --> 05:37.660]  So if you challenge agency standing in capacity,
[05:37.660 --> 05:43.160]  that actually goes to subject matter jurisdiction.
[05:43.160 --> 05:47.660]  And we've been filing in the court
[05:47.660 --> 05:52.560]  an objection to the standing of the party.
[05:52.560 --> 05:55.860]  And finally, it dawned on me, wait a minute.
[05:55.860 --> 06:01.760]  If the party lacks agency standing or capacity,
[06:01.760 --> 06:08.060]  then the agent or the principal lacks
[06:08.060 --> 06:11.460]  the standing necessary to invoke the subject matter
[06:11.460 --> 06:14.660]  jurisdiction of the court.
[06:14.660 --> 06:18.160]  You can't come to the court unless you have an actionable
[06:18.160 --> 06:20.760]  controversy.
[06:20.760 --> 06:25.860]  Now, there may be an actionable controversy,
[06:25.860 --> 06:28.460]  but the one bringing it to the court
[06:28.460 --> 06:34.060]  does not have that actionable controversy.
[06:34.060 --> 06:39.660]  So that's why if you've ever had a servicer file
[06:39.660 --> 06:44.060]  a notice of default prior to being appointed as servicer,
[06:44.060 --> 06:47.260]  and I'm looking at one of those right now,
[06:47.260 --> 06:51.660]  then they never had standing to invoke the subject matter
[06:51.660 --> 06:53.660]  jurisdiction of the court.
[06:53.660 --> 06:58.560]  Arguing that they don't have standing in the court,
[06:58.560 --> 07:02.260]  now you shifted to the position to where
[07:02.260 --> 07:05.560]  you have stipulated to the jurisdiction of the court,
[07:05.560 --> 07:09.660]  and now you're subject to the caprice of the court.
[07:09.660 --> 07:13.260]  Because the only ones who believe
[07:13.260 --> 07:16.660]  that the courts are not arbitrary and capricious
[07:16.660 --> 07:20.460]  are the ones who've never been before them.
[07:20.460 --> 07:23.260]  Even when you win, it's clear that they're
[07:23.260 --> 07:26.260]  arbitrary and capricious.
[07:26.260 --> 07:28.560]  So if you go for subject matter jurisdiction,
[07:28.560 --> 07:31.460]  you sort of turn that thing on its head.
[07:31.460 --> 07:32.660]  And that's what we did here.
[07:32.660 --> 07:38.160]  We challenged the subject matter jurisdiction of the court
[07:38.160 --> 07:46.560]  in that the plaintiff was in a position such that under law
[07:46.560 --> 07:53.660]  he would be considered a party who was assisting someone
[07:53.660 --> 07:56.860]  in a foreclosure defense.
[07:56.860 --> 08:02.860]  If you are assisting someone in a foreclosure defense,
[08:02.860 --> 08:07.560]  you can file a forcible detainer action.
[08:07.560 --> 08:12.460]  But the court has no power to hear it.
[08:12.460 --> 08:14.260]  It's right there in the code.
[08:14.260 --> 08:21.660]  I think it's in chapter 26 of the civil torts and rendings.
[08:21.660 --> 08:23.460]  The Texas code?
[08:23.460 --> 08:25.860]  Yeah, that's Texas.
[08:25.860 --> 08:28.160]  So we filed a challenge to their standing
[08:28.160 --> 08:31.260]  because it's still a little complex.
[08:31.260 --> 08:32.760]  I won't go into all the details.
[08:32.760 --> 08:34.460]  But that's how they got the property
[08:34.460 --> 08:35.660]  from the original person.
[08:35.660 --> 08:40.060]  They got a warranty deed and never filed it.
[08:40.060 --> 08:42.960]  And then they sold the property to somebody else
[08:42.960 --> 08:47.760]  who filed a deed of trust, but he never got a warranty deed.
[08:47.760 --> 08:49.960]  So it was a real mess.
[08:49.960 --> 08:52.660]  And so I filed a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction.
[08:52.660 --> 08:57.260]  And last week we went in, and the judge didn't show up.
[08:57.260 --> 09:04.460]  So they appointed a lawyer to sit in the judge's place.
[09:04.460 --> 09:06.360]  And we've been doing some research on that.
[09:06.360 --> 09:10.360]  And the only way they can appoint someone
[09:10.360 --> 09:15.060]  who's not a sitting or ex-justice of the peace
[09:15.060 --> 09:18.860]  is if they can't find a sitting or ex-justice of the peace
[09:18.860 --> 09:22.060]  to take this person's place.
[09:22.060 --> 09:23.160]  So we'll be checking that.
[09:23.160 --> 09:27.960]  But when I got before the lawyer, I mean the judge,
[09:27.960 --> 09:31.360]  I objected to the judge.
[09:31.360 --> 09:33.360]  And when you get an appointed judge,
[09:33.360 --> 09:35.060]  if you object to the first judge,
[09:35.060 --> 09:39.260]  they can't hear the case.
[09:39.260 --> 09:43.860]  And in this case, specifically since the person was appointed
[09:43.860 --> 09:47.460]  and was a non-judge, if you object,
[09:47.460 --> 09:50.460]  they can't hear the case.
[09:50.460 --> 09:53.560]  So they put it off for a week, and I come back.
[09:53.560 --> 09:59.060]  And the dirty, rascal lawyers, they did a fast one on me.
[09:59.060 --> 10:02.660]  They non-suited me.
[10:02.660 --> 10:04.260]  And I said, I object, Your Honor.
[10:04.260 --> 10:06.860]  You can't hear that.
[10:06.860 --> 10:10.360]  And he said, she's non-suiting you, and you object.
[10:10.360 --> 10:11.860]  Yes, yes, as a matter of fact, I do.
[10:15.060 --> 10:20.960]  I told him that you can't get to that non-suit
[10:20.960 --> 10:23.660]  because there's a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction
[10:23.660 --> 10:25.460]  before the court.
[10:25.460 --> 10:29.060]  You have to prove up jurisdiction
[10:29.060 --> 10:32.160]  before you can hear anything.
[10:32.160 --> 10:34.560]  And he apparently never read
[10:34.560 --> 10:38.060]  the subject matter jurisdiction challenge
[10:38.060 --> 10:41.760]  and ruled on the non-suit.
[10:41.760 --> 10:44.860]  And then because the other parties weren't there,
[10:44.860 --> 10:48.260]  granted a default judgment.
[10:48.260 --> 10:54.160]  Well, we'll see how this works out for him.
[10:54.160 --> 10:56.560]  Since he didn't have subject matter jurisdiction,
[10:56.560 --> 11:00.560]  I'll charge him with official oppression
[11:00.560 --> 11:05.160]  and the fact that he did not consider
[11:05.160 --> 11:06.960]  the challenge subject matter jurisdiction
[11:06.960 --> 11:09.560]  before making a substantive ruling.
[11:09.560 --> 11:11.660]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[11:11.660 --> 11:16.060]  If he is not a judge, how can you put that charge on him?
[11:16.060 --> 11:21.860]  The second time I went in, the elected judge showed up.
[11:21.860 --> 11:23.060]  OK, OK.
[11:23.060 --> 11:25.560]  So I objected to the first judge.
[11:25.560 --> 11:29.360]  And unfortunately, they called me first.
[11:29.360 --> 11:31.660]  And I said, who are you?
[11:31.660 --> 11:34.060]  And she said, well, the judge can't make it today
[11:34.060 --> 11:36.860]  and I've been appointed to take his place.
[11:36.860 --> 11:38.960]  I said, are you a judge?
[11:38.960 --> 11:40.860]  She said, I'm appointed as a judge.
[11:40.860 --> 11:41.460]  I object.
[11:41.460 --> 11:44.160]  I don't want you in this case.
[11:44.160 --> 11:48.460]  Well, Mr. Kelton, if you object, then I can't hear this case.
[11:48.460 --> 11:50.560]  But Mr. Kelton, this case will be heard.
[11:50.560 --> 11:54.460]  I suggest Your Honor, it will, but not by you.
[11:54.460 --> 11:56.060]  I was the first one.
[11:56.060 --> 12:00.760]  I got a whole room full of people behind me.
[12:00.760 --> 12:02.260]  I went over to the clerk's office
[12:02.260 --> 12:05.860]  and half of them come in there and they objected.
[12:05.860 --> 12:07.560]  So I bought everybody a week.
[12:10.660 --> 12:13.560]  They were, the judge was pretty upset about that,
[12:13.560 --> 12:15.460]  but it's going to be even more upset.
[12:15.460 --> 12:17.860]  They'll call you last next time.
[12:17.860 --> 12:22.060]  Well, this, actually, they called me second,
[12:22.060 --> 12:24.460]  the second time I was in there.
[12:24.460 --> 12:29.660]  I expected to be last because I was concerned
[12:29.660 --> 12:32.960]  that when I started accusing the judge of some criminal acts,
[12:32.960 --> 12:35.960]  which I had a whole bunch of them to drop on him,
[12:35.960 --> 12:38.460]  that the bailiffs are going to get a little excited.
[12:38.460 --> 12:42.060]  So I went out to talk to the head bailiff in two words
[12:42.060 --> 12:45.160]  and he wanted to start a fight.
[12:45.160 --> 12:49.460]  And I crawled right down his throat.
[12:49.460 --> 12:52.260]  And he finally, he was going to escort me out of the building.
[12:52.260 --> 12:55.760]  I said, you're going to have to handcuff me to do that, Bubba.
[12:55.760 --> 12:57.160]  And that's when he backed up.
[12:57.160 --> 12:59.060]  He decided he didn't want to handcuff me
[12:59.060 --> 13:01.260]  and drag me out of the building,
[13:01.260 --> 13:05.060]  especially since when I went out,
[13:05.060 --> 13:07.260]  I had a witness with me and he told me,
[13:07.260 --> 13:10.160]  you can't come. I said, yes, they can.
[13:10.160 --> 13:10.960]  I need a witness.
[13:10.960 --> 13:12.460]  Well, why do you need a witness?
[13:12.460 --> 13:16.060]  Because I don't trust you.
[13:16.060 --> 13:17.760]  And there was another bailiff standing behind him
[13:17.760 --> 13:19.460]  that I talked to last time.
[13:19.460 --> 13:22.760]  I pointed over him, him I trust.
[13:22.760 --> 13:25.960]  You, I don't trust you.
[13:25.960 --> 13:29.260]  I don't know why he got all excited.
[13:29.260 --> 13:32.760]  The man was just, he must have had too much coffee.
[13:32.760 --> 13:35.460]  That or he may have had a fight with his wife the night before
[13:35.460 --> 13:37.260]  or before he came to work or?
[13:37.260 --> 13:39.660]  Well, he just had himself an attitude
[13:39.660 --> 13:42.260]  and he found somebody he couldn't push around.
[13:42.260 --> 13:45.660]  And he finally got himself together
[13:45.660 --> 13:47.860]  and got real professional after that.
[13:47.860 --> 13:50.160]  And I told him I was going to be making some accusations
[13:50.160 --> 13:52.860]  against the judge and I don't want you guys to get excited.
[13:52.860 --> 13:56.560]  I don't want to have any commotion in the courtroom.
[13:56.560 --> 13:58.660]  And we didn't.
[13:58.660 --> 13:59.960]  So I got through that anyway.
[13:59.960 --> 14:05.360]  But what I'm looking for,
[14:05.360 --> 14:08.360]  we don't want, it's going to have someone in the property
[14:08.360 --> 14:11.760]  and we hate for them to be evicted.
[14:11.760 --> 14:17.060]  But what we're doing is we're working to introduce
[14:17.060 --> 14:22.060]  these judges to the deep end of the pool.
[14:22.060 --> 14:25.360]  The way I read the code,
[14:25.360 --> 14:32.560]  when a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction is made,
[14:32.560 --> 14:35.060]  subject matter jurisdiction is lost.
[14:35.060 --> 14:38.360]  I said code, that's in case law.
[14:38.360 --> 14:40.160]  Subject matter jurisdiction is lost
[14:40.160 --> 14:42.960]  and the court does not regain jurisdiction
[14:42.960 --> 14:46.460]  until jurisdiction is proven.
[14:46.460 --> 14:48.360]  Well, I challenged jurisdiction.
[14:48.360 --> 14:50.960]  Jurisdiction was not proven.
[14:50.960 --> 14:57.460]  Therefore, the judge was impersonating a judicial officer.
[14:57.460 --> 15:05.860]  And I'll charge him with that, 37.111 Texas Penal Code.
[15:05.860 --> 15:10.660]  And the judge issued a ruling
[15:10.660 --> 15:13.360]  that ordered the sheriff's department
[15:13.360 --> 15:16.860]  to go out to this person's property
[15:16.860 --> 15:21.960]  and forcibly remove the person from the property.
[15:21.960 --> 15:27.860]  Well, they just did that in another case out of Garland.
[15:27.860 --> 15:33.460]  And this woman had been in that house since 1984.
[15:33.460 --> 15:35.860]  They foreclosed on her in 2008
[15:35.860 --> 15:39.960]  and never moved for forcible detainer.
[15:39.960 --> 15:41.460]  Statute of limitations.
[15:41.460 --> 15:44.760]  Yeah, it appeared as though they realized it
[15:44.760 --> 15:49.960]  because the Federal Home Mortgage Association, whatever,
[15:49.960 --> 15:54.960]  owned it, bought it at Fannie Mae, bought it at full closure.
[15:54.960 --> 15:59.960]  And then in 2011, 2013,
[15:59.960 --> 16:03.360]  they came back with an appointment of substitute trustee
[16:03.360 --> 16:10.860]  by Novostar, North Star Bank.
[16:10.860 --> 16:14.960]  North Star Bank appointed a substitute trustee.
[16:14.960 --> 16:18.760]  And the substitute trustee foreclosed again
[16:18.760 --> 16:21.860]  and resold at Fannie Mae.
[16:21.860 --> 16:23.460]  They realized they'd screwed up
[16:23.460 --> 16:26.460]  and they held the second foreclosure to hide the fact
[16:26.460 --> 16:30.260]  that their statute of limitations had run.
[16:30.260 --> 16:33.660]  Well, they had a problem because we caught them.
[16:33.660 --> 16:38.060]  And that was in the challenge of subject matter jurisdiction
[16:38.060 --> 16:40.560]  that the judge didn't read.
[16:40.560 --> 16:43.560]  Then they came out and removed this woman
[16:43.560 --> 16:48.560]  while prominently displaying deadly weapons.
[16:48.560 --> 16:49.560]  We're about to go to break
[16:49.560 --> 16:52.260]  and I'll talk about what that means when we come back.
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[19:31.060 --> 19:43.060]  Okay, we are back.
[19:43.060 --> 19:46.060]  Graham Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio,
[19:46.060 --> 19:49.060]  and Steve had a question on the break.
[19:49.060 --> 19:51.560]  Where do you find the nexus?
[19:51.560 --> 19:59.060]  You said before the break that a judge lacking jurisdiction
[19:59.060 --> 20:04.060]  over a subject matter jurisdiction over any proceeding
[20:04.060 --> 20:09.060]  equates him impersonating a judicial officer.
[20:09.060 --> 20:12.060]  I'm wondering where the nexus is.
[20:12.060 --> 20:19.560]  Well, while he is a judge, in this specific capacity,
[20:19.560 --> 20:22.060]  he could not, in this situation,
[20:22.060 --> 20:26.060]  he could not act in the capacity of a judge
[20:26.060 --> 20:28.560]  because he lacks subject matter jurisdiction.
[20:28.560 --> 20:31.060]  It would be just like this JP judge
[20:31.060 --> 20:37.060]  went to the district court and convened a district court here.
[20:37.060 --> 20:38.060]  He can't do that.
[20:38.060 --> 20:41.060]  He would be impersonating a district judge.
[20:41.060 --> 20:44.560]  Here he was impersonating a justice of the peace
[20:44.560 --> 20:47.060]  when he did not have the capacity
[20:47.060 --> 20:51.060]  to act as a justice of the peace.
[20:51.060 --> 20:57.060]  So I call that 3711, penal code 37.11,
[20:57.060 --> 20:59.560]  impersonating a public official.
[20:59.560 --> 21:02.060]  But he issued that order.
[21:02.060 --> 21:05.560]  He issued that order without authority
[21:05.560 --> 21:08.560]  and sent these sheriff's deputies out there
[21:08.560 --> 21:11.560]  who were prominently displaying deadly weapons
[21:11.560 --> 21:17.060]  and they made it very clear that any interference with them
[21:17.060 --> 21:22.560]  and what they intended to do could well result
[21:22.560 --> 21:26.060]  in them using those deadly weapons.
[21:26.060 --> 21:31.060]  Well, the way I read 2202 B2A,
[21:31.060 --> 21:33.560]  if a person commits simple assault
[21:33.560 --> 21:36.560]  and someone coming into your house
[21:36.560 --> 21:40.060]  taking everything you got and putting it on the street,
[21:40.060 --> 21:43.060]  that would fall under.
[21:43.060 --> 21:45.060]  And if they commit simple assault
[21:45.060 --> 21:48.060]  while prominently displaying a deadly weapon,
[21:48.060 --> 21:52.060]  that's aggravated assault, second degree felony.
[21:52.060 --> 21:56.560]  However, if they commit that act,
[21:56.560 --> 21:58.560]  the act of a simple assault
[21:58.560 --> 22:01.560]  while prominently displaying a deadly weapon
[22:01.560 --> 22:05.560]  and are acting under the color or pretense
[22:05.560 --> 22:08.560]  of an official capacity,
[22:08.560 --> 22:13.560]  that's first degree felony aggravated assault, 22 life.
[22:13.560 --> 22:15.560]  So the legislature intended,
[22:15.560 --> 22:19.060]  when you put that pistol on,
[22:19.060 --> 22:24.060]  you better be very, very careful.
[22:24.060 --> 22:26.060]  Well, you can tell by the number of people
[22:26.060 --> 22:27.560]  who are shot by police
[22:27.560 --> 22:32.060]  that they're no longer very, very careful.
[22:32.060 --> 22:34.560]  They are very prone to pull and use those pistols.
[22:34.560 --> 22:36.560]  You say one thing a policeman don't like
[22:36.560 --> 22:39.560]  and immediately his hand goes to his pistol.
[22:39.560 --> 22:41.560]  Well, there was just less than a month ago,
[22:41.560 --> 22:44.560]  a 92-year-old man was shot for getting a cane
[22:44.560 --> 22:47.560]  out of the back of his car.
[22:47.560 --> 22:50.560]  Took six bullets in the chest.
[22:50.560 --> 22:53.560]  These guys are absolutely out of control.
[22:53.560 --> 23:01.560]  They are taught to be absolutely terrified of the public.
[23:01.560 --> 23:03.560]  And we need to give them a reason
[23:03.560 --> 23:07.560]  to be terrified in a different way.
[23:07.560 --> 23:10.560]  And that's what I'm trying to do.
[23:10.560 --> 23:16.560]  We need them to be terrified of violating our laws.
[23:16.560 --> 23:20.560]  And I want them terrified of a grand jury.
[23:20.560 --> 23:24.560]  So I filed with this judge
[23:24.560 --> 23:28.560]  a set of complaints against another JP
[23:28.560 --> 23:33.560]  for doing exactly what he just did.
[23:33.560 --> 23:36.560]  And he had his clerk send,
[23:36.560 --> 23:38.560]  he didn't send all the complaints back,
[23:38.560 --> 23:41.560]  it was about two-thirds of a ream of paper.
[23:41.560 --> 23:43.560]  I just sent the first page back
[23:43.560 --> 23:47.560]  and informed me that they had accepted that in error.
[23:47.560 --> 23:50.560]  Is that a fact, Jack?
[23:50.560 --> 23:54.560]  Well, we'll see how that works for you, Bubba.
[23:54.560 --> 23:56.560]  Now, what's he going to say to a grand jury
[23:56.560 --> 23:59.560]  when I go to the grand jury and show him
[23:59.560 --> 24:02.560]  the stack of criminal complaints
[24:02.560 --> 24:04.560]  I filed against the previous JP
[24:04.560 --> 24:08.560]  for doing exactly what he did?
[24:08.560 --> 24:11.560]  How's he going to explain that?
[24:11.560 --> 24:14.560]  It's got all the statute and case law,
[24:14.560 --> 24:19.560]  it's very well, it's got about a 40-page statement
[24:19.560 --> 24:22.560]  or affidavit, and then the rest of it
[24:22.560 --> 24:26.560]  are various criminal complaints against all the actors.
[24:26.560 --> 24:31.560]  Apparently, these justices of the peace in Texas
[24:31.560 --> 24:36.560]  have absolutely no fear
[24:36.560 --> 24:40.560]  of retribution of any kind.
[24:40.560 --> 24:46.560]  They seem to think they can just do anything they want to
[24:46.560 --> 24:51.560]  and do it with absolute hubris.
[24:51.560 --> 24:56.560]  Well, since I filed the complaints with the JP
[24:56.560 --> 24:58.560]  and he didn't act on them,
[24:58.560 --> 25:02.560]  now I'll take complaints against the justice of the peace
[25:02.560 --> 25:05.560]  for shielding from prosecution.
[25:05.560 --> 25:07.560]  And another sent against him,
[25:07.560 --> 25:09.560]  and I'll take those to the district attorney.
[25:09.560 --> 25:11.560]  And the district attorney in Dallas County
[25:11.560 --> 25:14.560]  has a public integrity unit.
[25:14.560 --> 25:17.560]  And last year there were over 900 complaints
[25:17.560 --> 25:19.560]  filed against public officials
[25:19.560 --> 25:22.560]  with the public integrity unit.
[25:22.560 --> 25:28.560]  Not one was presented to the grand jury.
[25:28.560 --> 25:30.560]  Do you see a problem with that?
[25:30.560 --> 25:33.560]  I see a big problem with that
[25:33.560 --> 25:38.560]  because Article 2.03 takes away any discretion of any kind.
[25:38.560 --> 25:43.560]  So if a prosecuting attorney's office in Texas
[25:43.560 --> 25:46.560]  has a public integrity unit,
[25:46.560 --> 25:51.560]  that public integrity unit must be construed
[25:51.560 --> 25:54.560]  as an ongoing criminal conspiracy
[25:54.560 --> 25:58.560]  to violate Article 2.03 Texas Code of Crown procedure.
[25:58.560 --> 26:05.560]  And Craig Watkins, the district attorney in Dallas County,
[26:05.560 --> 26:09.560]  has certainly made it that.
[26:09.560 --> 26:14.560]  Not one presentment to a grand jury out of 900.
[26:14.560 --> 26:18.560]  So no wonder they think they can do anything they want to.
[26:18.560 --> 26:23.560]  It's about as useful as internal affairs.
[26:23.560 --> 26:26.560]  They're there to protect the system, not the people.
[26:26.560 --> 26:27.560]  Exactly.
[26:27.560 --> 26:29.560]  That's why I never go to internal affairs.
[26:29.560 --> 26:33.560]  When they tell me I need to file a complaint with the department,
[26:33.560 --> 26:35.560]  I tell them, oh, no, no, no.
[26:35.560 --> 26:37.560]  His uniform was clean.
[26:37.560 --> 26:39.560]  He had all his buttons on, buttoned,
[26:39.560 --> 26:44.560]  and there were no missing buttons.
[26:44.560 --> 26:48.560]  I don't have an administrative complaint against him.
[26:48.560 --> 26:49.560]  What kind of complaint do you have?
[26:49.560 --> 26:50.560]  I have a criminal complaint.
[26:50.560 --> 26:53.560]  I want him arrested.
[26:53.560 --> 26:56.560]  And they want to, the policing departments want to act
[26:56.560 --> 27:02.560]  as if there is a different set of procedures
[27:02.560 --> 27:07.560]  that are in law when a complaint is made against one of their people.
[27:07.560 --> 27:09.560]  And there is no different set of procedures.
[27:09.560 --> 27:13.560]  So in this case, I'll file a complaint with the district attorney.
[27:13.560 --> 27:15.560]  He'll refuse to act.
[27:15.560 --> 27:22.560]  And then we'll go to the attorney general with a RICO suit,
[27:22.560 --> 27:26.560]  an ongoing criminal conspiracy complaint against the district attorney,
[27:26.560 --> 27:32.560]  and accuse him of some 900 counts of shielding from prosecution,
[27:32.560 --> 27:35.560]  3805, and that's felony.
[27:35.560 --> 27:37.560]  We give that to the attorney general,
[27:37.560 --> 27:40.560]  and we know what he's going to do with it.
[27:40.560 --> 27:42.560]  He's going to refuse to act.
[27:42.560 --> 27:45.560]  So then we'll go to the chief justice of the Supreme,
[27:45.560 --> 27:49.560]  and just like with Pat's case, he'll refuse to act.
[27:49.560 --> 27:59.560]  And then we come back and file with the foreman of the grand jury,
[27:59.560 --> 28:04.560]  restricted, registered restricted, so only he can sign for it,
[28:04.560 --> 28:06.560]  at the address of the district attorney's office,
[28:06.560 --> 28:10.560]  and then the district attorney will obviously open it.
[28:10.560 --> 28:13.560]  And then we'll come back and hand deliver one to the plaintiff
[28:13.560 --> 28:19.560]  standing in front of the grand jury room and direct him to give it to the foreman.
[28:19.560 --> 28:23.560]  And then when he doesn't, then we petition for a court of inquiry.
[28:23.560 --> 28:28.560]  And we just keep turning the crank and keep winding things up.
[28:28.560 --> 28:34.560]  And the JP's are down on the bottom of all of this mess.
[28:34.560 --> 28:36.560]  And they know how it works.
[28:36.560 --> 28:39.560]  Big fishes eat little fishes.
[28:39.560 --> 28:43.560]  Okay, we are about to finish up our second segment.
[28:43.560 --> 28:48.560]  So after this segment, we will go to callers.
[28:48.560 --> 28:52.560]  Chris in Pennsylvania, Rick in North Carolina, I see you there.
[28:52.560 --> 28:55.560]  We will pick you up when we come back.
[28:55.560 --> 29:01.560]  But I want to finish up about the JP's.
[29:01.560 --> 29:09.560]  What we started doing is instead of saying this guy filed this assignment
[29:09.560 --> 29:16.560]  and this assignment is bogus, we stopped saying that the assignment is bogus.
[29:16.560 --> 29:21.560]  We're saying that the assignment amounts to securing and executing a doctorate
[29:21.560 --> 29:28.560]  by deception in violation of 32.49 Texas penal codes, Class A misdemeanor.
[29:28.560 --> 29:35.560]  He swore on his oath before a notary to facts he knew to be untrue
[29:35.560 --> 29:40.560]  and intended that they be taken as true as aggravated perjury.
[29:40.560 --> 29:43.560]  And then he filed this document with a governmental entity
[29:43.560 --> 29:48.560]  containing statements he knew were untrue and intended they be taken as true.
[29:48.560 --> 29:51.560]  That's tampering with the government document.
[29:51.560 --> 29:55.560]  And he worked in concert inclusion with someone who did an affidavit on the document.
[29:55.560 --> 29:58.560]  That's criminal conspiracy for the purpose of death.
[29:58.560 --> 30:03.560]  We'll be right back.
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[33:11.560 --> 33:21.560]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm going to serve them
[33:21.560 --> 33:24.560]  to the head of government then.
[33:24.560 --> 33:26.560]  Okay, we are back.
[33:26.560 --> 33:30.560]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio,
[33:30.560 --> 33:33.560]  and what I went through at the end,
[33:33.560 --> 33:35.560]  I always seem to wind up doing that right before we break,
[33:35.560 --> 33:40.560]  but all I'm doing here is following the code.
[33:40.560 --> 33:42.560]  And the code's real clear.
[33:42.560 --> 33:48.560]  If you read the penal code, and the penal code's not that big.
[33:48.560 --> 33:50.560]  Everybody should read it a couple times,
[33:50.560 --> 33:54.560]  especially when you're dealing with these public officials.
[33:54.560 --> 33:57.560]  It'll read like a comic book.
[33:57.560 --> 34:01.560]  You'll say, I can't believe they did this.
[34:01.560 --> 34:03.560]  And they did that, and they did that,
[34:03.560 --> 34:05.560]  but they didn't do this, and they were supposed to,
[34:05.560 --> 34:07.560]  and yeah, it just goes on and on.
[34:07.560 --> 34:09.560]  Yeah, and that's the one thing.
[34:09.560 --> 34:14.560]  I suggest that nobody ever file a criminal complaint
[34:14.560 --> 34:19.560]  that's not absolutely valid and warranted.
[34:19.560 --> 34:22.560]  And when you're going after these public officials,
[34:22.560 --> 34:25.560]  that's never a problem.
[34:25.560 --> 34:30.560]  Eddie Craig, when he first started listening to us,
[34:30.560 --> 34:33.560]  he was having problems with a tax issue,
[34:33.560 --> 34:36.560]  and he read the code, and he followed the code,
[34:36.560 --> 34:39.560]  and he filed a criminal complaint, said he didn't do anything about it,
[34:39.560 --> 34:42.560]  so he called us to find out what to do about it,
[34:42.560 --> 34:46.560]  and we talked to him about that, and he wrote a bunch.
[34:46.560 --> 34:49.560]  He went through what went on, he wrote some criminal complaints,
[34:49.560 --> 34:52.560]  and he called back and asked him, how many did you write?
[34:52.560 --> 34:56.560]  It was 400 and something.
[34:56.560 --> 35:01.560]  I said, why did you hold back?
[35:01.560 --> 35:03.560]  He ran out of code.
[35:03.560 --> 35:07.560]  Well, he said his printer ran out of paper.
[35:07.560 --> 35:12.560]  But the point is, when you look at the code and did look at the behavior,
[35:12.560 --> 35:15.560]  you'll find more than you can keep up with.
[35:15.560 --> 35:23.560]  And when we're talking about the banks filing documents in the public record,
[35:23.560 --> 35:30.560]  be it the county recorder's office or be it in a court case,
[35:30.560 --> 35:36.560]  just because the judge doesn't want to do his job too bad,
[35:36.560 --> 35:40.560]  there is nothing to prevent you from doing your job.
[35:40.560 --> 35:47.560]  And as a citizen, you have a duty to report crime.
[35:47.560 --> 35:51.560]  And inasmuch as you have a duty to report crime,
[35:51.560 --> 35:59.560]  you are absolutely immune from any civil blowback when you do report crime.
[35:59.560 --> 36:04.560]  If you are in a civil case with individuals who commit crimes,
[36:04.560 --> 36:09.560]  what they want to say is you can't use criminal complaints
[36:09.560 --> 36:12.560]  to gain leverage in a civil action.
[36:12.560 --> 36:14.560]  Okay, that's easy.
[36:14.560 --> 36:17.560]  And it fits in with our strategy.
[36:17.560 --> 36:23.560]  Never, ever mention the criminal in the civil
[36:23.560 --> 36:29.560]  unless it's in support of a civil motion that you're bringing.
[36:29.560 --> 36:33.560]  In the challenge of subject matter jurisdiction,
[36:33.560 --> 36:40.560]  I maintained that the plaintiff committed this crime,
[36:40.560 --> 36:42.560]  this crime, this crime, this crime,
[36:42.560 --> 36:45.560]  therefore they come to the court with unclean hands.
[36:45.560 --> 36:48.560]  So in that case, it was necessary to mention those
[36:48.560 --> 36:52.560]  to show that they fell under the unclean hands doctrine.
[36:52.560 --> 36:54.560]  Otherwise, you never mentioned them.
[36:54.560 --> 36:59.560]  You never mentioned that you filed criminal complaints.
[36:59.560 --> 37:05.560]  I only asserted that they committed these criminal acts in the pleading.
[37:05.560 --> 37:07.560]  I said nothing about filing criminal complaints,
[37:07.560 --> 37:11.560]  and I actually hadn't yet at the time.
[37:11.560 --> 37:15.560]  So when you file them, never mention them.
[37:15.560 --> 37:18.560]  And if the other side mentions them in court,
[37:18.560 --> 37:23.560]  you object to try to use criminal complaints to gain advantage
[37:23.560 --> 37:29.560]  in a civil trial, ask for sanctions.
[37:29.560 --> 37:33.560]  Anyway, we should start doing that.
[37:33.560 --> 37:36.560]  We need to up the stakes.
[37:36.560 --> 37:40.560]  These lawyers pretty well own the judges,
[37:40.560 --> 37:46.560]  and the judges feel no concern for potential blowback.
[37:46.560 --> 37:48.560]  So let's give them a little blowback.
[37:48.560 --> 37:50.560]  Okay.
[37:50.560 --> 37:52.560]  We're going to go to calls.
[37:52.560 --> 37:55.560]  The first one on the list is Chris in Pennsylvania.
[37:55.560 --> 37:56.560]  Hello, Chris.
[37:56.560 --> 37:59.560]  What do you have for us today?
[37:59.560 --> 38:02.560]  Hello, Randy. Hello, Steve.
[38:02.560 --> 38:03.560]  Howdy, howdy.
[38:03.560 --> 38:05.560]  Hello, Chris.
[38:05.560 --> 38:07.560]  How's it going?
[38:07.560 --> 38:13.560]  It's going straight up and to the left faster than I can keep up with.
[38:13.560 --> 38:16.560]  That's good.
[38:16.560 --> 38:24.560]  I have a question about some modification stuff.
[38:24.560 --> 38:29.560]  Sound like a topic you guys are willing to look at?
[38:29.560 --> 38:32.560]  You're talking about loan modification?
[38:32.560 --> 38:33.560]  Yeah.
[38:33.560 --> 38:39.560]  Okay, let me preface that by saying that attorney Patrick Sutton
[38:39.560 --> 38:48.560]  has a case before the Texas Supreme Court in the case of Sims versus,
[38:48.560 --> 38:53.560]  I forget who it is, but his contention is that loan modifications
[38:53.560 --> 38:59.560]  are expressly unconstitutional in the state of Texas.
[38:59.560 --> 39:04.560]  I would encourage everybody in every state to check their state constitutions
[39:04.560 --> 39:07.560]  and see if there is, go through the Sims case
[39:07.560 --> 39:10.560]  and see if there is similar verbiage in your state constitution
[39:10.560 --> 39:16.560]  because it seems that Mr. Sutton has a good grip on this at the Supreme Court.
[39:16.560 --> 39:21.560]  Okay, this is not the case that was recently ruled on
[39:21.560 --> 39:30.560]  that modifications were unconstitutional if they were not women.
[39:30.560 --> 39:33.560]  There was a case ruled.
[39:33.560 --> 39:37.560]  The ruling hasn't been handed down yet, they're still waiting for the ruling.
[39:37.560 --> 39:39.560]  Okay, I thought we had a ruling.
[39:39.560 --> 39:44.560]  Is he saying it's unconstitutional? Why?
[39:44.560 --> 39:48.560]  Because, oh Lord, let me just send you the case.
[39:48.560 --> 39:51.560]  It'd be easier to send you the case.
[39:51.560 --> 39:56.560]  I understood, one issue I understood, I thought this was handed down,
[39:56.560 --> 40:04.560]  that the courts ruled that where a security instrument
[40:04.560 --> 40:10.560]  was signed outside a conventional closing procedure
[40:10.560 --> 40:20.560]  that it was inherently unfair to the unsophisticated purchaser.
[40:20.560 --> 40:23.560]  I think that's part of it.
[40:23.560 --> 40:29.560]  This goes to Section Q, I'm not that...
[40:29.560 --> 40:33.560]  Okay, I don't have it in front of me.
[40:33.560 --> 40:36.560]  Okay, let's go back to Chris. Chris?
[40:36.560 --> 40:38.560]  Yes.
[40:38.560 --> 40:42.560]  Okay, what was your question?
[40:42.560 --> 40:46.560]  Well, I'm in the state of Pennsylvania,
[40:46.560 --> 40:52.560]  and in Pennsylvania we have this conciliatory meeting process
[40:52.560 --> 40:56.560]  in order for the bank to get together with the homeowner prior to foreclosure
[40:56.560 --> 41:00.560]  to try to come to some settlement agreement.
[41:00.560 --> 41:04.560]  And when you look at these statistics of people who actually get a modification
[41:04.560 --> 41:08.560]  or are now sitting at home with this comfortable new mortgage payment
[41:08.560 --> 41:15.560]  after their trial period, I believe the number is zero
[41:15.560 --> 41:18.560]  because the people who get these trial modification periods
[41:18.560 --> 41:21.560]  always end up back in this conciliatory meeting
[41:21.560 --> 41:26.560]  because for some reason or another it never worked out.
[41:26.560 --> 41:29.560]  Either the bank didn't take the payments
[41:29.560 --> 41:32.560]  or the payments were told to be sent somewhere,
[41:32.560 --> 41:36.560]  and it never works out.
[41:36.560 --> 41:40.560]  But with this knowledge that these don't work out,
[41:40.560 --> 41:47.560]  why would a state create a program to work hand in hand with the mortgagee
[41:47.560 --> 41:51.560]  or the person who's supposed to be the mortgagee?
[41:51.560 --> 41:53.560]  And who is it?
[41:53.560 --> 42:00.560]  I guess my question really pertains to who is able to give you a modification?
[42:00.560 --> 42:04.560]  Only the party entitled to enforce the instrument,
[42:04.560 --> 42:08.560]  that is, the negotiable instrument.
[42:08.560 --> 42:11.560]  You're not modifying the security instrument.
[42:11.560 --> 42:15.560]  You're modifying the contract in the negotiable instrument.
[42:15.560 --> 42:20.560]  Therefore, only the party entitled to enforce that instrument
[42:20.560 --> 42:26.560]  can grant authority to modify.
[42:26.560 --> 42:28.560]  And that person is whom?
[42:28.560 --> 42:32.560]  Is it the mortgagee or is it the person who holds the note?
[42:32.560 --> 42:36.560]  Well, now you stepped into another puddle here.
[42:36.560 --> 42:41.560]  Who is Pete, party entitled to enforce?
[42:41.560 --> 42:46.560]  If there have been a number, any one of a number of things that have taken place
[42:46.560 --> 42:53.560]  that would render the note non-negotiable or unenforceable, rather, unenforceable,
[42:53.560 --> 43:00.560]  then there is no party entitled to enforce, such as if they have, for instance,
[43:00.560 --> 43:05.560]  if they have failed to properly negotiate an instrument to a second party,
[43:05.560 --> 43:18.560]  if they have failed to properly secure their interest in the negotiable instrument,
[43:18.560 --> 43:24.560]  if the negotiable instrument made it into a securities pool after the closing date of the pool,
[43:24.560 --> 43:28.560]  any number of things, that's only three examples,
[43:28.560 --> 43:35.560]  but any number of things can render that negotiable instrument non-negotiable or unenforceable,
[43:35.560 --> 43:38.560]  in which case there is no party to enforce,
[43:38.560 --> 43:42.560]  so there is no party who can grant authority to modify.
[43:42.560 --> 43:47.560]  Objection, non-responsive.
[43:47.560 --> 43:49.560]  Who can do it?
[43:49.560 --> 43:52.560]  Nobody, nobody.
[43:52.560 --> 43:55.560]  Hang on, we'll pick this up on the other side.
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[46:47.560 --> 46:51.560]  Okay, when we went out, it was kind of mostly nobody can.
[46:51.560 --> 46:53.560]  It's not necessarily the case.
[46:53.560 --> 46:58.560]  Say you got a loan from a credit union.
[46:58.560 --> 46:59.560]  It's a small credit union.
[46:59.560 --> 47:03.560]  There's a few of them that did not securitize their notes.
[47:03.560 --> 47:05.560]  They kept them all in house.
[47:05.560 --> 47:11.560]  If they kept the note in house and they didn't sell the beneficial interest in the note to anyone,
[47:11.560 --> 47:20.560]  then that party would have the power to modify the note.
[47:20.560 --> 47:28.560]  But if they sold it into a pool and it's been negotiated into a pass through trust
[47:28.560 --> 47:32.560]  and filed as a real estate mortgage investment conduit,
[47:32.560 --> 47:40.560]  that throws a whole bunch of curves into the bailiwick because in a remake,
[47:40.560 --> 47:47.560]  once the remake is filed, they can only change out 5% of the notes.
[47:47.560 --> 47:53.560]  If a note in a remake fails or becomes nonproducing,
[47:53.560 --> 47:58.560]  they can remove that note and replace it with a note of similar,
[47:58.560 --> 48:06.560]  the same interest rate and similar value in order to maintain the collateral base of the remake.
[48:06.560 --> 48:09.560]  I think it's equal or greater value.
[48:09.560 --> 48:15.560]  They can only change out 5% and more than that,
[48:15.560 --> 48:19.560]  the remake collapses and they have to pay tax on the whole thing.
[48:19.560 --> 48:25.560]  So a lender would have to be out of his mind because if he went in
[48:25.560 --> 48:31.560]  and changed the collateral base or changed the collateral amount or changed the interest,
[48:31.560 --> 48:39.560]  he's got to pull that out of the remake and he has to extract it from the pool.
[48:39.560 --> 48:45.560]  And they've created these things and especially if they've sold your note multiple times,
[48:45.560 --> 48:48.560]  now they have a really, really major problem.
[48:48.560 --> 48:54.560]  They have to pull it from the pool and they pull it from the pool for reasons other than nonperforming.
[48:54.560 --> 49:01.560]  They can't claim the mortgage insurance and all of those derivative policies they bought on these things.
[49:01.560 --> 49:08.560]  So all of that money they cheated the investors out of when they sold it multiple times,
[49:08.560 --> 49:10.560]  they have to pay it all back.
[49:10.560 --> 49:12.560]  Normally they have the derivative insurance policy,
[49:12.560 --> 49:16.560]  they'll pay 85% if they can force them into foreclosure.
[49:16.560 --> 49:21.560]  But in a modification, they don't get all of those benefits.
[49:21.560 --> 49:27.560]  So I can't see, you know, a bank would be out of their mind to give you a modification
[49:27.560 --> 49:30.560]  unless they're actually holding.
[49:30.560 --> 49:42.560]  Well, all that being said, you're looking at a percentage margin of maybe 3% of all the mortgages out there.
[49:42.560 --> 49:47.560]  Why is the state so caught up in creating a program
[49:47.560 --> 49:56.560]  they know only 3% of these are even workable if they even can come to an agreement?
[49:56.560 --> 50:06.560]  How would the bank or the plaintiff benefit by these delays?
[50:06.560 --> 50:09.560]  Well, putting you into foreclosure.
[50:09.560 --> 50:14.560]  Using the modification process to put you in foreclosure?
[50:14.560 --> 50:20.560]  Right, then you get back to things that set up substantial rules
[50:20.560 --> 50:25.560]  that were set up by the Settlement Act where you're now talking about dual tracking
[50:25.560 --> 50:33.560]  and you're talking about setting me up for a modification while you're processing my foreclosure.
[50:33.560 --> 50:39.560]  Okay, because, you know, when they say they're setting up this program to help the consumer,
[50:39.560 --> 50:45.560]  always take both hands and put them over your backside because you're fixing to get it.
[50:45.560 --> 50:47.560]  Where's the government? We're here to help.
[50:47.560 --> 50:49.560]  Oh, yes.
[50:49.560 --> 50:56.560]  This is mandatory. This isn't something I'm able to put my hands across something to fix something from happening.
[50:56.560 --> 51:02.560]  I'm getting it anyway. It doesn't matter. I have to do this. It isn't something that...
[51:02.560 --> 51:10.560]  Well, okay, wait. You may have to go to these meetings, but you don't have to participate in a loan modification.
[51:10.560 --> 51:12.560]  Right, exactly.
[51:12.560 --> 51:16.560]  That would be very, very unconstitutional.
[51:16.560 --> 51:19.560]  Well, in essence, then that just keeps delaying things.
[51:19.560 --> 51:23.560]  We've been doing this for almost a year and a half and we've come to no agreement.
[51:23.560 --> 51:28.560]  But the problem is that all of the time we're doing this, we're in this stay.
[51:28.560 --> 51:36.560]  And the stay makes it so that the bank can't tack on fees or do whatever they're doing.
[51:36.560 --> 51:43.560]  But we're still in a situation where we're not getting a modification from the correct person.
[51:43.560 --> 51:50.560]  And when you said, you know, back in your topic earlier before you answered my call,
[51:50.560 --> 51:58.560]  you were talking about Fannie Mae selling things to banks to foreclose.
[51:58.560 --> 52:01.560]  And this is exactly the purpose.
[52:01.560 --> 52:09.560]  I'm told through the bank in every letter I get that the bank isn't the lender that Fannie Mae is.
[52:09.560 --> 52:14.560]  And yet the bank is the one providing me with a mortgage modification.
[52:14.560 --> 52:29.560]  In the terms of my 30-year fixed rate 6% mortgage turning into a 40-year 6% mortgage at $500 more than I'm paying now.
[52:29.560 --> 52:30.560]  Now, I don't know.
[52:30.560 --> 52:31.560]  That's just a no-brainer to me.
[52:31.560 --> 52:35.560]  I'm not going to step into that one.
[52:35.560 --> 52:37.560]  So that is kind of the pattern.
[52:37.560 --> 52:41.560]  The modifications do tend to raise the amounts.
[52:41.560 --> 52:52.560]  You take a very difficult to pay mortgage premium and convert it into an impossible to pay mortgage premium.
[52:52.560 --> 52:53.560]  Right.
[52:53.560 --> 52:54.560]  Right.
[52:54.560 --> 53:02.560]  And the scenario just is too overwhelming to think that you're paying your mortgage on time
[53:02.560 --> 53:14.560]  and you're sitting here inquiring about a modification because of future aspects that might occur and you're inquiring to see what a modification could do to you.
[53:14.560 --> 53:24.560]  And in that inquiry, the bank who doesn't even have an assignment to your mortgage isn't even a part of your banking system yet
[53:24.560 --> 53:33.560]  because they just acquired it from another bank steps in and unknowingly pays your property tax.
[53:33.560 --> 53:39.560]  And you go to pay your property tax and you find out that the tax person sends you it back.
[53:39.560 --> 53:40.560]  And you ask them why.
[53:40.560 --> 53:41.560]  Well, the bank just paid that.
[53:41.560 --> 53:43.560]  Well, the bank isn't my mortgagee.
[53:43.560 --> 53:47.560]  The bank has nothing to do with my loan yet.
[53:47.560 --> 53:50.560]  They don't even have an assignment recorded.
[53:50.560 --> 53:59.560]  And now the bank says, okay, well, we couldn't give you a modification because you were not late with your mortgage payment and haven't been.
[53:59.560 --> 54:02.560]  And you don't have a letter of hardship.
[54:02.560 --> 54:06.560]  Well, now that we paid your taxes, we want you to pay.
[54:06.560 --> 54:07.560]  Okay.
[54:07.560 --> 54:08.560]  Wait a minute.
[54:08.560 --> 54:18.560]  How did you get in a position to where the court could order modification if you were never behind?
[54:18.560 --> 54:23.560]  This is how we got behind because now they came back to us and said, okay.
[54:23.560 --> 54:24.560]  No, wait, wait.
[54:24.560 --> 54:27.560]  This is not making sense.
[54:27.560 --> 54:37.560]  How did you, if you were never behind, how did you manage to get in a position to where the court could order this modification mediation?
[54:37.560 --> 54:39.560]  Well, we weren't there yet.
[54:39.560 --> 54:42.560]  This is prior to that.
[54:42.560 --> 54:43.560]  This is prior.
[54:43.560 --> 54:48.560]  Okay. You petitioned the bank for a loan modification.
[54:48.560 --> 54:49.560]  We didn't.
[54:49.560 --> 54:50.560]  Well, yeah, you could put it that way.
[54:50.560 --> 54:51.560]  We inquired.
[54:51.560 --> 54:55.560]  We said, what would a modification do for us?
[54:55.560 --> 55:02.560]  And then they acted as though you inquired about a modification and they acted as though you had petitioned for one.
[55:02.560 --> 55:08.560]  And then they took actions immediately to start forcing you into foreclosure.
[55:08.560 --> 55:13.560]  Okay. That's kind of common practice.
[55:13.560 --> 55:23.560]  Well, the letter we got from the bank after the inquiry was we cannot give you a modification because you are not late with your mortgage payments and never have been.
[55:23.560 --> 55:24.560]  Yeah.
[55:24.560 --> 55:31.560]  The HART program, it says nothing about being late on your mortgage payments.
[55:31.560 --> 55:42.560]  As a matter of fact, it stresses fiscal responsibility and recommends that people continue to pay their mortgage payments.
[55:42.560 --> 55:43.560]  Correct.
[55:43.560 --> 55:55.560]  And now the bank, the thing is the bank, every set of paperwork the bank sends to the HART program, they get $2,000, $3,000 for offering a modification.
[55:55.560 --> 56:06.560]  That's why they tell you if that they did, they got a paper missing or, you know, if they got, if they need something, they'll tell you to send the whole package again.
[56:06.560 --> 56:07.560]  Yeah.
[56:07.560 --> 56:12.560]  Because didn't they report it as another inquiry, get another couple thousand dollars.
[56:12.560 --> 56:22.560]  So, you know, that's beneficial to them to keep asking you for paperwork and stalling you because every time they ask for paperwork, they bill them for a couple more grand.
[56:22.560 --> 56:25.560]  Right. So does it sound like a Ponzi scheme, this consultatory meeting thing?
[56:25.560 --> 56:31.560]  Because every time we go to one, we have to submit new papers on the next one because it's been delayed.
[56:31.560 --> 56:32.560]  Okay.
[56:32.560 --> 56:34.560]  You know what that sounds like?
[56:34.560 --> 56:43.560]  That sounds like an open door for a quietam action.
[56:43.560 --> 56:48.560]  That sounds like they're misappropriating public federal funds.
[56:48.560 --> 56:49.560]  Right.
[56:49.560 --> 57:06.560]  And you file a quietam action to show that they're deliberately requesting new sets of paperwork so that they can use that to fraudulently claim that you've made it,
[57:06.560 --> 57:16.560]  that this was a new request for a modification and they're billing the government for it and you keep 25% of whatever you recover.
[57:16.560 --> 57:22.560]  Unless the government picks it up, in which case you keep 15%.
[57:22.560 --> 57:24.560]  Right.
[57:24.560 --> 57:26.560]  That's the whistleblower act.
[57:26.560 --> 57:28.560]  So that's what that sounds like.
[57:28.560 --> 57:32.560]  You know, we hear the same thing over and over and nobody's going after them for it.
[57:32.560 --> 57:33.560]  Right.
[57:33.560 --> 57:44.560]  I mean, you hear all this stuff and you hear about how this is set up and even if you go into HAMP and HAMP tells you, well, you need to check with the servicer of your loan in order to look into a modification.
[57:44.560 --> 57:45.560]  It's the first thing they tell you.
[57:45.560 --> 57:46.560]  They don't even want to hear your paperwork.
[57:46.560 --> 57:48.560]  They suggest you talk to the bank.
[57:48.560 --> 58:02.560]  And as soon as you do that, a red flag goes up on your paperwork and every manual that they have to create paperwork to put you in the foreclosure, they open up and start working on.
[58:02.560 --> 58:04.560]  Yes.
[58:04.560 --> 58:06.560]  Because they figure you're vulnerable now.
[58:06.560 --> 58:08.560]  Now they've got a shot at you.
[58:08.560 --> 58:09.560]  Right.
[58:09.560 --> 58:09.560]  Okay.
[58:09.560 --> 58:10.560]  Hang on.
[58:10.560 --> 58:14.560]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with La Radio.
[58:14.560 --> 58:19.560]  Our call in number 512-646-1984.
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[01:03:24.560 --> 01:03:33.560]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:33.560 --> 01:03:36.560]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore with La Radio.
[01:03:36.560 --> 01:03:39.560]  And we're talking to Chris in Pennsylvania.
[01:03:39.560 --> 01:03:42.560]  I'm sure glad you quit calling me Deborah Stevens.
[01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:46.560]  Oh, well, Chris is calling you Skidmark, too.
[01:03:46.560 --> 01:03:50.560]  Glad for that, too. Sorry, Chris, go ahead.
[01:03:50.560 --> 01:03:58.560]  Let's change the subject real quick. Chris, go ahead.
[01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:01.560]  Hey, I have one more question.
[01:04:01.560 --> 01:04:06.560]  Regarding a bankruptcy filing a Chapter 7,
[01:04:06.560 --> 01:04:13.560]  and the bank files a certificate of no answer,
[01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:17.560]  can you elaborate on that?
[01:04:17.560 --> 01:04:21.560]  No, I have no idea what that is.
[01:04:21.560 --> 01:04:24.560]  Generally, if they're not going to answer, they just won't answer.
[01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:25.560]  Yeah.
[01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:28.560]  Steve, you ever heard of them filing a certificate?
[01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:30.560]  No one on me.
[01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:35.560]  I've never heard of them stipulating that they're not going to answer.
[01:04:35.560 --> 01:04:39.560]  I mean, that's pretty cool, so they can't come back and say,
[01:04:39.560 --> 01:04:45.560]  we weren't properly served or there was excusable error.
[01:04:45.560 --> 01:04:48.560]  I mean, that pretty well closes that door.
[01:04:48.560 --> 01:04:52.560]  Well, what I'm looking at is the fact that when they filed this,
[01:04:52.560 --> 01:04:58.560]  it gave the judge or a ruling on the lifting the stay
[01:04:58.560 --> 01:05:08.560]  and allowing the bank to continue foreclosing during the bankruptcy proceeding.
[01:05:08.560 --> 01:05:12.560]  That goes to bankruptcy rule I am not familiar with.
[01:05:12.560 --> 01:05:17.560]  I couldn't find anything on it either.
[01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:19.560]  You probably have to talk to a bankruptcy attorney
[01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:24.560]  that's probably one of those unwritten rule type things.
[01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:32.560]  There's a lot of wink, wink, nod, nod, rules that aren't written anywhere,
[01:05:32.560 --> 01:05:37.560]  and this is just how we do it, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.
[01:05:37.560 --> 01:05:43.560]  They can't write a rule for every single thing.
[01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:49.560]  It would get so complex that nobody could come into court and function,
[01:05:49.560 --> 01:05:54.560]  so they have a lot of these things that's just the way they do things.
[01:05:54.560 --> 01:05:59.560]  It's not specifically statutorily required,
[01:05:59.560 --> 01:06:06.560]  nor is it offensive to any rights of either party.
[01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:08.560]  It's just how they do it.
[01:06:08.560 --> 01:06:11.560]  Could they be avoiding proof of claim?
[01:06:11.560 --> 01:06:15.560]  Well, that's what my assumption was,
[01:06:15.560 --> 01:06:22.560]  because I gave my QWR to the bank to find out certain information.
[01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:24.560]  They wrote back to me.
[01:06:24.560 --> 01:06:27.560]  The interesting part about that was I wrote one to their lawyer,
[01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:32.560]  and I wrote one to the bank, not saying that I wrote one to each of them.
[01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:37.560]  The lawyer wrote me a QWR response back saying, you're sending this to the wrong person.
[01:06:37.560 --> 01:06:41.560]  This is not who we accept this through, but one went through to the bank anyway.
[01:06:41.560 --> 01:06:46.560]  The bank returned the response telling me that they're not the lender.
[01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:52.560]  Danny May is the lender, and that they have no idea who owned the loan
[01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:56.560]  or anything that happened with the loan prior to March 2009
[01:06:56.560 --> 01:07:00.560]  because they didn't originate the loan.
[01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:04.560]  So if they don't have proof of perfect title
[01:07:04.560 --> 01:07:12.560]  because they know nothing about the loan that happened four years prior to them coming to that knowledge,
[01:07:12.560 --> 01:07:16.560]  what would they have said if they had not declared that in the bankruptcy,
[01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:20.560]  because that was where we were hoping they would step up and prove claim?
[01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:23.560]  Did they file their proof of claim?
[01:07:23.560 --> 01:07:24.560]  They did not.
[01:07:24.560 --> 01:07:28.560]  Okay. Well, that negates my question.
[01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:31.560]  He got it discharged.
[01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:36.560]  Discharged. The debt was discharged in bankruptcy court.
[01:07:36.560 --> 01:07:39.560]  And they're still moving ahead on the security instrument.
[01:07:39.560 --> 01:07:41.560]  And I think, you know, we talked about this last week,
[01:07:41.560 --> 01:07:47.560]  and I think it kind of finally clicked in my brain what is going on here.
[01:07:47.560 --> 01:07:54.560]  And that is that the security instrument is a document all by itself
[01:07:54.560 --> 01:07:57.560]  filed with the county recorder's office.
[01:07:57.560 --> 01:08:02.560]  It evidences a lien against the property.
[01:08:02.560 --> 01:08:05.560]  It was filed in the record.
[01:08:05.560 --> 01:08:08.560]  It has not been questioned.
[01:08:08.560 --> 01:08:15.560]  Therefore, the presumption is that the document is regular and normal.
[01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:18.560]  So the presumption is that it's valid on its face.
[01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:23.560]  But if there's no debt associated with it, then what are they collecting on?
[01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.560]  No, you're jumping ahead.
[01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.560]  The court looks in the record,
[01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.560]  and they see this uncontested security instrument in the record.
[01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.560]  And the bank comes along,
[01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:45.560]  and they exercise the privilege contained in that document.
[01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.560]  In order to stop that, you need to challenge the validity of that document
[01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:56.560]  and the preferred procedure is quiet title.
[01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:58.560]  We challenge the validity of the document
[01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:04.560]  by filing the lender notice of default based on the QWR we sent in
[01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.560]  that at the end of the QWR,
[01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.560]  it stated that if you fail to send us any of the requested information,
[01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:15.560]  you are discharging your obligation to this debt.
[01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.560]  Yeah, just because you said that don't mean it so.
[01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:20.560]  Well, the bank sends me letters telling me
[01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.560]  that they're not trying to collect the debt after the bankruptcy
[01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:30.560]  and that I shouldn't pay attention to the fact that they're asking me for $177,000.
[01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.560]  That's what they're saying is not so either.
[01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:36.560]  Right.
[01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.560]  The point, just because they're doing it,
[01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:40.560]  just because they say it don't make it so.
[01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.560]  Just because you say if you don't do this, you suffer this consequence,
[01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.560]  that doesn't make it so.
[01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.560]  Right, and I understand that.
[01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:55.560]  It goes to the legal presumption the court is going to hold
[01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.560]  that they're going to presume this is valid unless it's challenged.
[01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.560]  So we go in with a quiet title and challenge it
[01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:07.560]  and put the facts on the record and ask the court to give us a ruling
[01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:13.560]  on the validity or enforceability of this document.
[01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:15.560]  You don't ask for any damages.
[01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:20.560]  You don't make any accusations about the effect of anything
[01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:24.560]  they may have done beyond the four corners of this document.
[01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:28.560]  If you stray beyond the four corners of the document,
[01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:33.560]  then your outside quiet title now gets your ruling overturned.
[01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:38.560]  So just ask the court to rule that because of all of these things they did,
[01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.560]  this document is void.
[01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:45.560]  Once you've got that, now when they come back and try to enforce the document,
[01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.560]  now you bring out Res Judicata.
[01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.560]  Right.
[01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:58.560]  Now you can say you can no longer presume that this document is valid.
[01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:00.560]  Right.
[01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.560]  And when I mentioned that to my lawyer today,
[01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:11.560]  he got about three shades of white and looked at me and was like,
[01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:12.560]  yeah, I'd like to do this.
[01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:17.560]  He stepped outside the box and I've never done anything like this before.
[01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:22.560]  And I said, where does he live?
[01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.560]  Yeah, I know.
[01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:31.560]  And then I asked him about meeting me at the conciliatory meeting on Thursday
[01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:35.560]  and what we're going to do about the fact that we're sitting here trying to get
[01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.560]  a modification that we know isn't going to happen.
[01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.560]  And what are your thoughts on that?
[01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:47.560]  He said, well, while you have – and I wanted to say this while I had him at his office
[01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.560]  because he's charging me for this time.
[01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:55.560]  And he says to me, well, he goes, I've got to use the restroom.
[01:11:55.560 --> 01:12:00.560]  I'll send you an email and let you know what we're going to do on Thursday
[01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.560]  so he can charge me again.
[01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.560]  So does that mean that you skewed the crap out of him?
[01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.560]  Well, I think it did.
[01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:12.560]  And he emailed me and told me that he won't be able to make the conciliatory meeting.
[01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.560]  And it's required by the court order that we have counsel.
[01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.560]  So I emailed him back and said, well, if you're not going to be there,
[01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:24.560]  I need you to call them up and tell them we need an extension
[01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.560]  because I don't have counsel to represent me through one of the most
[01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:35.560]  trying questions we need to ask.
[01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:36.560]  So?
[01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.560]  Okay.
[01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:40.560]  Okay.
[01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.560]  It involves in his court.
[01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:44.560]  Okay.
[01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.560]  Do we have – okay.
[01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:51.560]  I don't have the question there.
[01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:52.560]  What?
[01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:53.560]  Okay.
[01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.560]  I don't have a question to answer.
[01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:00.560]  Are we done here?
[01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.560]  Yeah, I guess.
[01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.560]  Just a matter of – we're back to my original question.
[01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.560]  It all went kind of full circle.
[01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:17.560]  We come back to this full thing back with the modification again.
[01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:24.560]  And that answer is in essence the answer we're looking for through this quiet title.
[01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.560]  And it can be answered in this conciliatory meeting by the bank
[01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.560]  saying either they can or cannot give us because they have standing,
[01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.560]  but they won't do that.
[01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:34.560]  Okay.
[01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:35.560]  Okay.
[01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:36.560]  Hold on.
[01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.560]  Then you might want to petition the court for a stay in mediation
[01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:42.560]  once you file a quiet title.
[01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:48.560]  Can you petition for a – you file a plea of abatement.
[01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:49.560]  Abatement, right.
[01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:59.560]  And ask the court to abate the proceedings until the quiet title action is heard
[01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:05.560]  because – for a judicial economy because all of this mediation nonsense,
[01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:09.560]  if you win the quiet title, it will be irrelevant.
[01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:10.560]  Right.
[01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:14.560]  So then you'll move for – to dismiss the foreclosure
[01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:19.560]  based on residue to caught a man is out of here.
[01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:20.560]  Right.
[01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.560]  Okay.
[01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:24.560]  Okay.
[01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.560]  Thank you, Chris.
[01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:34.560]  Now we're going to go – oh, Steve had a kind of an interesting thing occur.
[01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.560]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:43.560]  Went to – well, very brief history.
[01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:49.560]  Through trickery by opposing counsel in Addison, Texas,
[01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:54.560]  we had reason to believe that the only cause that we were aware of was dismissed,
[01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.560]  so we didn't show up for hearing.
[01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:01.560]  On the day of the filing deadline for appeal,
[01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:12.560]  I received a document from the court saying that we lost by a default.
[01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:14.560]  So we got a default judgment against us.
[01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:23.560]  I filed a notice of intent to appeal denied, motion to vacate denied,
[01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:31.560]  notice of void judgment, a notice, mind you, set for hearing.
[01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:33.560]  We went to hearing.
[01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.560]  Both parties entered briefs.
[01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:40.560]  The judge decided that after all that, she still didn't have jurisdiction
[01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:46.560]  because we'd filed an appeal a day late, so we filed for a trial de novo.
[01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.560]  We went to a trial de novo.
[01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.560]  The judge at the trial de novo, the new trial,
[01:15:53.560 --> 01:16:02.560]  came to a ruling based on the facts presented, the facts and evidence presented.
[01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:08.560]  The other party – he ruled in our favor, by the way.
[01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:13.560]  The other party filed a motion to dismiss the ruling.
[01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:19.560]  We went back into another hearing, and it was – the judge looked at the whole thing.
[01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.560]  I mean, he went back – this man went back to 2008
[01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.560]  and looked at everything that had ever been filed in the court.
[01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.560]  It took him about 20 minutes to go through the whole thing.
[01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.560]  And he said, you know what, folks, this – you know,
[01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:37.560]  it appears that you're correct that I did not have jurisdiction to come to the ruling.
[01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:42.560]  So, you know, I hear the music in the background.
[01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:46.560]  Maybe we should pick this up on the other side.
[01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:47.560]  Okay, we'll pick it up on the other side.
[01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.560]  This is Randy Kelton, Steve Kiddmore, we'll move our radio.
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[01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:39.560]  Okay, we are back, Randy Felton and Steve Stigmore.
[01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.560]  And Steve was spinning the yarn for us.
[01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.560]  Yes, I was.
[01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:50.560]  Okay, where I left off, the judge decided that he didn't have jurisdiction
[01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:54.560]  over the matter to begin with, to come to his ruling.
[01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.560]  I learned something.
[01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:01.560]  We filed a, oh, this moved forward.
[01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:03.560]  I'm getting ahead of myself.
[01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:08.560]  The dismissal, okay, I remember now where I was.
[01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:11.560]  The judge said this thing is so messed up.
[01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:16.560]  If both parties will agree to dismiss this thing altogether,
[01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:22.560]  then the moving party can, the plaintiff in the justice court
[01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:26.560]  can take another bite at the apple if he wants.
[01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:28.560]  So it was agreed by both parties.
[01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:33.560]  However, the order did not reflect an ab initio dismissal.
[01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.560]  It said this court dismisses this cause.
[01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:40.560]  That moved, effectively moved forward the writ of possession
[01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:46.560]  granted by the justice court due to our default judgment.
[01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:53.560]  However, we filed a TRO when they moved that writ of possession forward.
[01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:59.560]  We got a red tag on the door a week ago yesterday.
[01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:04.560]  We filed for a TRO, and in the TRO we told the story about all the hanky-panky
[01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:08.560]  that was going on and the ruling that was rendered.
[01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:15.560]  Now, what I learned in this was that if the judge in a case that is dismissed
[01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:20.560]  comes to a ruling based on the facts and evidence put before him,
[01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:24.560]  regardless of the dismissal, the ruling stands.
[01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:27.560]  It was very interesting, I thought.
[01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:29.560]  Collateral estoppel.
[01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:31.560]  Collateral estoppel, correct.
[01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:37.560]  Now, in our TRO, we mentioned the ruling, and she went back.
[01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:43.560]  We went into court, and here in Travis County,
[01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:49.560]  they're going through some kind of annual whatever it is they do at the courts.
[01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:54.560]  The judge was in chambers with another party.
[01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:59.560]  We asked the court reporter who was there if she could tell the judge that we were here.
[01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.560]  Well, the judge came out, and she said, what do we got?
[01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:09.560]  Well, we showed a phone log and telephone where we had tried to contact the other party
[01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.560]  for them to be there or either by telephone or in person.
[01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.560]  No contact, no show.
[01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.560]  She said, I'll grant your ex parte.
[01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.560]  I did have counsel there with me, Jeff Kelly.
[01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:24.560]  She said, I'll grant your ex parte.
[01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.560]  She said that with a grin on her face.
[01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:34.560]  And so we started into the issues, and she put her right hand up to motion us to stop,
[01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:36.560]  and she said, let me save you some time.
[01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:38.560]  I thought, oh, boy, here we go.
[01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.560]  I'm going to have my backside handed to me again.
[01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:42.560]  She said, I read your pleading.
[01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:44.560]  I found it very interesting.
[01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:51.560]  The way I see it is these attorneys are trying to attack Judge Phillips' ruling.
[01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:58.560]  She said, I am willing to enjoin PNC, which is the bank that I'm fighting now,
[01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.560]  and I'm willing to enjoin all their agents.
[01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.560]  That's the foreclosure mill.
[01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.560]  Keep in mind, we've got an issue here of statute of limitations.
[01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:12.560]  At the time of this filing, originally, there were two years and three months
[01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:18.560]  outside the two-year statute of limitations, according to Texas Civil Practice
[01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:23.560]  and Revenues Code, Section 16.003A.
[01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:31.560]  So she enjoined them and said, that'll give you 14 days to get this set for injunctive relief.
[01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:36.560]  Now, the TRO was structured as many TROs are structured, that if granted,
[01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:43.560]  then the pleading is converted into a motion for injunctive relief.
[01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.560]  So she said, now we've got to talk about a bond.
[01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:51.560]  Wait, hold on just a second. Let me explain just a little there.
[01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:56.560]  Always a TRO goes to a motion for injunctive relief.
[01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:05.560]  The only time there's a TRO as temporary is if you don't have 15 days in which
[01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:12.560]  to give the other side notice and give them time to prepare for an injunctive hearing,
[01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:16.560]  a hearing on the injunction, then you ask for a temporary restraining order
[01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:24.560]  to restrain the other party for this 15-day period until we can have a prove-up hearing.
[01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:25.560]  Right.
[01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:26.560]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:32.560]  Exactly. Okay. So we were granted the TRO. She said, now we've got to talk about a bond.
[01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:38.560]  And she asked my attorney, she said, how much would the other side stand to lose?
[01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:42.560]  She said, I understand to his credit. He said, well, you know, honestly,
[01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.560]  they're not entitled to enforce this. She said, I understand.
[01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:50.560]  So the party really wouldn't lose anything. She said, I understand that as well.
[01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:54.560]  But the law requires me to set a bond amount.
[01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:58.560]  She said, Mr. Skidmore, how much do you think you can afford?
[01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.560]  I looked at her and I said, well, I might be able to scrape up $200.
[01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:06.560]  She didn't bat an eye. She grabbed her pen, $200. Here you go.
[01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:12.560]  Okay. She said, now keep in mind, this is not enforced or it is not in place
[01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.560]  until that bond is put in place. So get that bond set as quick as you can.
[01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:19.560]  I did it that afternoon.
[01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:29.560]  So on our way out of court, Jeff, my attorney, was very, he was taken aback.
[01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:34.560]  He said he's been before this judge several times and she's very fair.
[01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:40.560]  He's never seen her set a bond for less than $1,000.
[01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:46.560]  So since she read my pleading and since she accepted a $200 bond,
[01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.560]  she knows there's some serious issues in this.
[01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:56.560]  Now, this was before we supplemented the injunctive pleading
[01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.560]  with affidavits of Joseph R. Esquivel.
[01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:05.560]  So the other side, I imagine, has two or three attorneys up there in ass
[01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:10.560]  and scratching their butts trying to figure out what in God's green earth
[01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:14.560]  are we going to do with this now?
[01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:19.560]  Just from the tone I got about the judge,
[01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.560]  it looks like they're going to get their hats handed to them.
[01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.560]  I would think so, yeah.
[01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:30.560]  It's my hope that we go back before Judge Covington on this injunctive hearing.
[01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.560]  She's already got bad taste in her mouth with these guys.
[01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:36.560]  Good, good, wonderful.
[01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:37.560]  Okay.
[01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:41.560]  That's two judges we got on our side, Judge Phillips who rendered the ruling
[01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:47.560]  and Judge Covington who sees the errors of their ways.
[01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.560]  There may actually be some good judges around.
[01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:51.560]  That would be nice.
[01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:57.560]  I think there are. I think it's very unfair for us to take that broad brush
[01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:01.560]  and paint all judges as evil and all lawyers as evil.
[01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:05.560]  There are good people out there in robes and with bar cards.
[01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:08.560]  They're hard to find, but they're there.
[01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:15.560]  It's so much more fun to be irresponsible.
[01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.560]  How so?
[01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:20.560]  Just so you can pick a fight?
[01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:23.560]  Yeah, shoot them all, let God sort it out.
[01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:24.560]  Oh, no.
[01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:26.560]  Yeah, I do have a...
[01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.560]  It's like an amy with a good judge, though.
[01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:33.560]  Yeah, I'm uncomfortable about painting them all with this broad brush
[01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:38.560]  because I have a personal friend here who's a justice of the peace,
[01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:44.560]  and I think Mark Autry would do what he believes is right if it harrowlit the pope.
[01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.560]  That's just what he is, so they're not all that.
[01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:54.560]  But then he still followed in proper procedure because he thought he was right.
[01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:55.560]  Okay, we're going to move ahead.
[01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.560]  We've got about two minutes left in this segment,
[01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:00.560]  and I'm going to bring up Mike in Texas.
[01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.560]  Mike, you there?
[01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.560]  I'm there, Randy.
[01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:08.560]  Okay, you have tremendous background noise.
[01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:10.560]  You in a coffee shop?
[01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:14.560]  Okay, I didn't expect to come up. I'm sorry.
[01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:21.560]  Okay, if you're in a coffee shop, you turn around and tell everybody in there to shut up.
[01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:23.560]  Okay.
[01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:28.560]  And then we want to listen to what happens to you after you do that.
[01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:29.560]  Okay.
[01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.560]  Okay.
[01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:34.560]  I tried to get away. I apologize.
[01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.560]  Is this better?
[01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:37.560]  Much.
[01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:39.560]  That's a little bit.
[01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:41.560]  Okay.
[01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.560]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:47.560]  Okay, Mike is the water bottle guy,
[01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:52.560]  ticketed at Bergstrom Airport over a water bottle,
[01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.560]  fought them and fought the city big time,
[01:28:55.560 --> 01:29:05.560]  and then the county arrested him for pointing a weapon at the officers at the metal detector,
[01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:12.560]  and the weapon was an extremely deadly weapon, a digital tape recorder.
[01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.560]  And they were trying to punish him to get him to back off from the city,
[01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:19.560]  and they just got the wrong guy.
[01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:24.560]  And now you've just got your certiorari to the supreme.
[01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.560]  Will you tell us about that?
[01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:32.560]  Well, I kind of initially thought that would be a foregone conclusion,
[01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:40.560]  putting it in the mail, but it ended up being about a 16-day ordeal.
[01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:43.560]  Okay, hang on. We're about to go to break.
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[01:33:55.560 --> 01:34:01.560]  Randy Kelton from Skidmore with Logradio and we're talking to Mike in Texas.
[01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:03.560]  Okay, Mike, go ahead.
[01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:09.560]  Well, let's see, on the 6th of March I mailed my surgery to the United States Supreme Court
[01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:15.560]  and it was mailed out from several connections, several stations.
[01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:23.560]  It left Dallas on March 7th and then apparently it just sat in Washington, D.C.
[01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:27.560]  at one post office for quite a while, for about 13 days.
[01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.560]  And I spoke with the postmaster, one of the postmasters,
[01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:37.560]  and they had commented that, wow, we're getting a lot of concern about this package.
[01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:44.560]  Because I had asked the postmaster in Austin to inquire and asked the postmaster in Dallas to inquire
[01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:49.560]  when, you know, a week later, when it's basically two weeks overdue.
[01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:53.560]  And so finally today I received a green card.
[01:34:53.560 --> 01:35:03.560]  Interestingly, it took two days to get from Washington, D.C. back to me versus the surgery took 13 days
[01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:11.560]  to go from Washington, D.C. to Washington, D.C.
[01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:17.560]  It must have gone via China.
[01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:19.560]  So I was greatly relieved.
[01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:24.560]  There was some comments that it was, you know, damaged in process and it was dead male.
[01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:31.560]  And so I asked that they create case numbers to investigate, things like that.
[01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:36.560]  But it eventually got there.
[01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.560]  So your certiorari is at the supreme.
[01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:41.560]  At the supreme.
[01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:42.560]  You know.
[01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:44.560]  It is at the supreme.
[01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:53.560]  I have looked at a lot of documentation and I very rarely have I seen documents
[01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:58.560]  that are so well structured and so detailed.
[01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:05.560]  These lawyers ought to learn to be real careful about screwing with engineers.
[01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:11.560]  Everything I do in law is technically an engineering project.
[01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:16.560]  And Mike's an engineer that I think they got the wrong guy.
[01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:21.560]  It may well be that Mike just might be the guy who changes everything.
[01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:23.560]  At least here in Texas.
[01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:26.560]  Certainly in Austin.
[01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:32.560]  Because he has just been all over these guys.
[01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:38.560]  And no matter what they did, nothing backed him off, nothing slowed him down.
[01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.560]  They just stayed after him.
[01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:48.560]  The guys we see that win are the guys that just don't quit.
[01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:55.560]  So I'm really excited to see what the supreme does.
[01:36:55.560 --> 01:37:00.560]  If this is really ugly business, you're saying that they never answered anything.
[01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:01.560]  Is that right?
[01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:02.560]  Yep, Mike.
[01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:03.560]  Absolutely.
[01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:07.560]  There's a procedure in the supreme court they call a call for response.
[01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:11.560]  And so when one party doesn't respond all the way through the process,
[01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:15.560]  at least according to the supreme court's own internal documentation
[01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:20.560]  that they provide to the public, they say the supreme court takes exception to that.
[01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:26.560]  Because when someone is ruled against almost reflexively by the judicial system
[01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.560]  and there's no documents opposing,
[01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:35.560]  then they tend to feel that there's a potential issue there that they should look into.
[01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.560]  And so as punishments to the party will oftentimes bring both parties in
[01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:44.560]  just to find out what is going on.
[01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:50.560]  So I did put that in the document largely in the beginning.
[01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:53.560]  Hopefully I'm sure that they will see it.
[01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:57.560]  But I put in a call for response and all the different courts that had gone through
[01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:00.560]  and the city hadn't responded.
[01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:05.560]  So that's potentially a very strong argument.
[01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:08.560]  Okay, wait, wait, question.
[01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:12.560]  Is this call for response something they do
[01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:20.560]  before they decide whether or not to take up the certiorari or after?
[01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:27.560]  It's one of the arguments that they use to bring in the certiorari to be discussed.
[01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:31.560]  Largely, even if there's no, you know, from what I've understood,
[01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:36.560]  that even if there's not an argument that they consider of federal interest,
[01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:39.560]  just as punishment to the opposing party,
[01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:47.560]  they will bring it in for review just because they feel that there's been...
[01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:53.560]  Oh, so there's a likelihood that they may even sanction the other party
[01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:57.560]  even if they don't accept the certiorari.
[01:38:57.560 --> 01:38:58.560]  That's possible.
[01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:02.560]  There's a lot of things that could happen on this.
[01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:10.560]  And your case is probably one that wouldn't get accepted
[01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:16.560]  because you don't make any new legal arguments.
[01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:19.560]  This is all old stuff.
[01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:23.560]  If the court ruled in your favor, they wouldn't make any new law.
[01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:30.560]  They wouldn't address a fine point of law that hasn't already been addressed.
[01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:34.560]  These are just dirty rotten scoundrels that refuse to do anything.
[01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:44.560]  So it seems appropriate that the Supreme would exercise some other form of redress
[01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:53.560]  in order to correct this because have you brought any points of law
[01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:58.560]  that is a new argument or a different way of interpreting a law
[01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:00.560]  that you're asking the Supreme to rule on
[01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:06.560]  or are you just asking them to enforce ones that already exist?
[01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:09.560]  I'm asking them to enforce laws that already exist.
[01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:14.560]  I'm asking them to enforce rulings that they've already made
[01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:18.560]  that have been denied through Texas.
[01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:22.560]  And I think to a fairly high degree, flaunted.
[01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:29.560]  I've found some information in the Texas Municipal Court Education Center manual.
[01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:33.560]  This is how they instruct magistrates and judges from municipal courts
[01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:35.560]  how to perform their jobs.
[01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:40.560]  In the 2009 version, in the first chapter, first page,
[01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:44.560]  they acknowledge that they've been ruled against in Rocker v. Gillespie.
[01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:49.560]  And so they just say that we're just going to reinterpret
[01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:52.560]  magistration a different way.
[01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:57.560]  We're going to say that we don't agree that the Supreme Court completely defined it,
[01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:59.560]  and so we're going to define it any way we want,
[01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:04.560]  and we're going to define it as magistration meaning arraignment
[01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:06.560]  for the purpose of taking appeal,
[01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:13.560]  so that they deny all Class C misdemeanors the right to an examining trial
[01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:16.560]  and really extend that to all misdemeanors
[01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:21.560]  by misinterpreting the Supreme Court's intent.
[01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:25.560]  Now that is something they're likely to rule on.
[01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:29.560]  So yes, they might actually pick that one up.
[01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:34.560]  Yeah, I think that just it might inspire their ire to just that
[01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:37.560]  and the fact that there's a call for a response,
[01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:42.560]  and that my rim shot for my entire argument is
[01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:47.560]  I bring up a quote from the Texas Judicial Commission.
[01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:51.560]  So I attended the Texas Judicial Commission in April 2012,
[01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:58.560]  and in that hearing, the Sunset Committee asked the Texas Judicial Commission
[01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:05.560]  a question because the Sunset Committee was concerned
[01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:08.560]  that there were a number of people that were complaining
[01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:13.560]  on being tampered with after filing a judicial complaint against judges,
[01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:20.560]  where judges would then send CPS to abduct their children,
[01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:23.560]  they'd be now charged with crimes, etc.
[01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:28.560]  And that's not very indifferent to what happened to me in the City of Austin case.
[01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:35.560]  And as my final rim shot, if you want to call it that,
[01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:40.560]  in my summary was that I put a quote from the Judicial Commission.
[01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.560]  And so the Judicial Commission, the head lead counsel said,
[01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.560]  well, in response to that, they said,
[01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:51.560]  well, if you complain against the king, you deserve the consequences.
[01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.560]  Oh, that's wonderful.
[01:42:55.560 --> 01:43:00.560]  So they think that these guys are the king.
[01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:10.560]  That would be something that's very likely to get their attention.
[01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:16.560]  In Mike's case, his is so incredibly egregious.
[01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:22.560]  If the Supreme does not pick it up, that would be a very serious problem.
[01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:26.560]  That would mean that things are a lot worse than we thought they were.
[01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:29.560]  I wish I had room in the search area.
[01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:31.560]  I had to leave so much stuff out.
[01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:35.560]  But some of the stuff in that Sunset Committee I really wanted to add
[01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:41.560]  in that the Judicial Commission considered themselves to be attorneys for the judges
[01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:45.560]  and not to be disciplining the judges when they erred
[01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:49.560]  and when they were committing improper acts.
[01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:50.560]  Okay, hang on.
[01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:51.560]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:53.560]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:55.560]  Randy Kelton, please give more.
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[01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:31.560]  Okay, we are back.
[01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:33.560]  Randy Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio,
[01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:35.560]  and we're talking to Mike in Texas.
[01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:40.560]  Okay, Mike, do you have anything else for us tonight?
[01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:44.560]  Let's see, maybe just a couple more quick points.
[01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:50.560]  Let's see, I guess my remedy that I put in my search area was that,
[01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:57.560]  given all the sort of egregious and documented cases of criminal acts by officials,
[01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:01.560]  and then I can receive no address, redress,
[01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:04.560]  one of the things I requested as remedy to the Supreme Court
[01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:09.560]  is if they provide grand jury access to the public.
[01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:13.560]  So they may not be able to enforce anything in individual states,
[01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:18.560]  but certainly they have the ability to create federal grand juries
[01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:22.560]  and allow the public access and file criminal charges
[01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:26.560]  or criminal affidavits in federal grand juries.
[01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:33.560]  That might be a remedy that's one of the remedies that I'm seeking.
[01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:35.560]  Wonderful.
[01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:45.560]  If they pick that up and force the U.S. attorneys to stand down from grand juries
[01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.560]  when private citizens are petitioning grand juries,
[01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.560]  that would have the effect of changing everything.
[01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:54.560]  That's what I thought.
[01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:59.560]  It may not be a direct response, but that alone would, I think, help.
[01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:03.560]  I have some things I really wish I could have added into my search area,
[01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:09.560]  such as the Sunset Committee agreed with the Judicial Commission
[01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:16.560]  that they really weren't there to protect the public from these judges,
[01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.560]  that the Sunset Committee was designed from the beginning,
[01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:29.560]  that the Judicial Commission was designed to protect judges from the public.
[01:48:29.560 --> 01:48:33.560]  Actually, the Judicial Commission is an advocate for the judges
[01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:36.560]  that the public is filing complaints against.
[01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:41.560]  The public is a misinterpretation of the function of the Judicial Commission.
[01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:47.560]  The Sunset Committee agreed with the interpretation of the Judicial Commission,
[01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:54.560]  that the Sunset Committee wanted the Judicial Commission to write a letter to the Attorney General.
[01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.560]  They already knew the Attorney General would reject it,
[01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:08.560]  that the Judicial Commission would advocate that they be allowed to sanction judges for misbehavior.
[01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:14.560]  The Judicial Commission obviously is an advocate for the judges,
[01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:16.560]  not there to sanction the judges.
[01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:21.560]  The Sunset Committee agreed with the opinion of the Judicial Commission,
[01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:27.560]  but they wanted to write a letter that they knew the Attorney General would reject,
[01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:34.560]  just to give a premonitory evidence that the Judicial Commission is trying to be a white hat,
[01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:41.560]  trying to not be an advocate for the judges, but to sanction them for inappropriate behavior.
[01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:46.560]  What was interesting is the Sunset Committee agreed with the Judicial Commission
[01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:53.560]  and that they are advocates for the judges, not there to sanction the judges.
[01:49:53.560 --> 01:50:01.560]  What I thought was interesting was that the Judicial Commission refused to write that openly fraudulent document,
[01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:05.560]  even though it would have been to their best interest.
[01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:09.560]  That was one of the things that fell on the cutting-room floor when I wrote my search.
[01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:13.560]  I couldn't get everything I wanted in the argument.
[01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:20.560]  When I was there at the hearings, I talked to two of the judges on the Commission
[01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:24.560]  and gave them fair warning that when they received a complaint
[01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:32.560]  that included an accusation that amounted to a criminal action,
[01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:38.560]  that they had a duty as magistrates to hold an examining trial.
[01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:42.560]  That's a remedy we need to pursue.
[01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:50.560]  If we file a judicial conduct complaint and we allege criminal acts on the part of the judge,
[01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:54.560]  then these two judges on the Commission have a duty to hold examining trials.
[01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:57.560]  When they don't, we come back and file against them.
[01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:03.560]  But the problem is the Judicial Commission is set up to not regulate the judges.
[01:51:03.560 --> 01:51:06.560]  The Judicial Commission is set up to be an...
[01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:12.560]  I understand that, but their problem is they got two judges on that Commission.
[01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:16.560]  And those two judges are magistrates even when they're sitting on that Commission.
[01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:18.560]  That's true.
[01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:24.560]  So if they find out in the normal course of their business that crimes have been committed,
[01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:26.560]  they have a duty.
[01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:27.560]  They do.
[01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:33.560]  Under 210, 211, we start taking them to task for not doing their jobs.
[01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:39.560]  It's all political.
[01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:43.560]  If they're not going to do their jobs, we need to do our jobs.
[01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:44.560]  Okay.
[01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:46.560]  Thank you, Mike.
[01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:47.560]  Could I ask one more thing, Randy?
[01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:48.560]  One more thing?
[01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:49.560]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:50.560]  Go ahead.
[01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:51.560]  Okay.
[01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:52.560]  This is this.
[01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:55.560]  I was tremendously petitioned by Barry Craddock to put this in,
[01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:59.560]  that within three hours of me serving the City of Austin,
[01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:06.560]  that very strange behavior occurred where Mary described it as vehicular assault.
[01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:09.560]  And that's very possible.
[01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:13.560]  Someone repeatedly rear-ended me and then tried to flee
[01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:18.560]  and then ended up trying to flee on foot,
[01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:23.560]  technically assaulted me by, you know, running into me.
[01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:30.560]  And then, anyways, I chased him into the arresting officer who he held in detainment.
[01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:35.560]  Now, this person didn't display a driver's license, didn't display insurance,
[01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:40.560]  is in a rented truck, you know, repeatedly rear-ended me, you know,
[01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:44.560]  and then tried to push me away, tried to flee the scene, not rendering aid.
[01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.560]  All these things, which you would think would end up in handcuffs,
[01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:54.560]  and the police officer did not just let him go without even a warning.
[01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:55.560]  Now...
[01:52:55.560 --> 01:52:58.560]  That's interesting.
[01:52:58.560 --> 01:52:59.560]  I was going to add...
[01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:02.560]  Did he get the guy's name and identification?
[01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:05.560]  He did, you know, and I do have that.
[01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:10.560]  But what, you know, is further interesting is that he's wearing,
[01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.560]  you know, I noticed this in the photographs after the fact,
[01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:19.560]  he's wearing a garb that could be described as casual military.
[01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:28.560]  He's wearing the typical uniform of a black jacket and tan or, you know, khaki cargo pants.
[01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:32.560]  Hmm. That does sound like black water.
[01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:33.560]  I don't know.
[01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:38.560]  You know, that was something that Mary really petitioned me to mention on the radio.
[01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:44.560]  You might want to see if you can find out more about this guy.
[01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:48.560]  Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, and apparently he...
[01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:52.560]  I don't know how he rented this truck without insurance, without a driver's license.
[01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:55.560]  He didn't have it with him.
[01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:58.560]  Are you going to sue the company that owns the truck?
[01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:01.560]  Yeah, I'm in the process of doing that.
[01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.560]  They might tell you more about how you got the truck.
[01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:10.560]  Yeah. You know, it's still, you know, still trying to figure out what's going on here.
[01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:17.560]  But it is interesting that it happened within three hours of the city being serviced next to a sherry.
[01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:25.560]  You would think that at this point that they would kind of realize that things are getting out of hand for them and back off.
[01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:29.560]  But I would like to think that it would be smart enough to,
[01:54:29.560 --> 01:54:36.560]  every time I give them credit for being smart, I always am disappointed.
[01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:37.560]  Go ahead, Steve.
[01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:44.560]  Yeah. This is sometimes when they pour on the gas rather than put on the brake.
[01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.560]  Yeah. And it's right at the time they should be putting on the brake.
[01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:48.560]  Yeah.
[01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:53.560]  Well, it is interesting that, you know, Mary also wanted me to note it that, you know,
[01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.560]  I'm going to be audited by probably, I think, the IRS.
[01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.560]  So this will be the second time that I've been audited in my life.
[01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:05.560]  And only times I've been audited were because of this, you know, while I'm involved in the City of Austin case.
[01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:12.560]  Okay. And you might talk to the IRS to find out how you got audited.
[01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:21.560]  Yeah. I mean, I have a, you know, my level of, you know, of burning money is so low that actually they owe me money back.
[01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:28.560]  So, you know, I'm not the type of individual that they wouldn't even consider auditing because it's almost a guaranteed loss.
[01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:33.560]  So you got to have money to burn, don't you?
[01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:38.560]  Yeah. Before you're worth auditing. Yeah. Because that's all about making money.
[01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:49.560]  So they're, you know, I mean, they could do a very informal audit and find out that they owe me money.
[01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:58.560]  So you might question them big time about how they managed to pull you in for an audit
[01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:07.560]  because you think it is retaliation for your filing your sociology.
[01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:09.560]  But, you know, Mary wanted me to bring that up.
[01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:17.560]  I don't know if, you know, I don't know if that's, you know, just imagining linkages, you know, that don't exist.
[01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:20.560]  I'm not certain, but, you know, I don't know.
[01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:25.560]  It behooves you to act as if it's not a coincidence, even if it is.
[01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:31.560]  Agreed. Agreed. So now you've got something on the public record.
[01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:36.560]  Exactly. Okay. We do need to move along. We've got a full board.
[01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:42.560]  Thank you, Mike, and keep up the good work. You may wind up changing everything.
[01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:49.560]  Well, I'll let you know what the result, you know, if there's any pending other, any other news that's worth mentioning.
[01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:55.560]  Okay. Thank you, Mike. Now we're going to go to Rich in North Carolina.
[01:56:55.560 --> 01:57:03.560]  Hello, Rich. Hang on a minute. My board is not refreshing. There we go. Are you there, Rich?
[01:57:03.560 --> 01:57:05.560]  Yes. Can you hear me well?
[01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:06.560]  Yes, I can.
[01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:08.560]  Sure can.
[01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:14.560]  Okay. I wondered, Randy, if you'd gotten the docs I sent from the Register of Deeds?
[01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:18.560]  Yes, I did. I haven't had time to go over them yet.
[01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:19.560]  Okay. Okay.
[01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:21.560]  I'll do that in the morning.
[01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:30.560]  Okay. Good deal then. And the last email you sent me, you wanted to know what was happening and how much time we had?
[01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:35.560]  Yes. Okay. This is something better done off the air.
[01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:36.560]  Oh, okay.
[01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:39.560]  Yeah, just send me an email.
[01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:41.560]  Okay.
[01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.560]  Okay. Did you have a question on air?
[01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:53.560]  Well, essentially all of it's in the email, but if you want to do the email thing, then we'll go that route so we can get into more detail.
[01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:59.560]  Okay. Okay. Yeah, do that. This is better done there. We've got a lot of people waiting with questions.
[01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:00.560]  Okay.
[01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:07.560]  Thank you, Rick. Okay. Now we're going to go to Gary in Texas.
[01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:12.560]  Hello, Mr. Gary. We are about to go to our top-of-the-hour break.
[01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:14.560]  No problem.
[01:58:14.560 --> 01:58:20.560]  So, we'll be back. You've got 15 seconds.
[01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:22.560]  Okay.
[01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:25.560]  Okay. Never mind. I'm just kidding. I'm just blowing your leg.
[01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:35.560]  Okay. We will pick this up on the other side. This is Randy Kelton and Steve Skidmore with our radio. Our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
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