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[03:22.000 --> 03:51.000]  OK, this is...
[03:51.000 --> 03:57.000]  Hopefully, how to see this is Randy Kelton and Steve Skidmore.
[03:57.000 --> 04:00.000]  We have our radio with us tonight.
[04:00.000 --> 04:04.000]  Joe's taking a couple of weeks off.
[04:04.000 --> 04:11.000]  And I wanted to start out tonight talking about court watching.
[04:11.000 --> 04:26.000]  I hope to have a guest here relatively soon who is a private investigator out of the Dallas-Fort Worth area who helps people with family law issues.
[04:26.000 --> 04:42.000]  I met her at a political rally and she felt like the family court was the most corrupt court in the country.
[04:42.000 --> 04:45.000]  And I think she's right.
[04:45.000 --> 05:00.000]  And she started investigating these magistrate judges the family court used and looking into the practices and procedures of the family court and found it was a horrible, horrible mess.
[05:00.000 --> 05:10.000]  So she got the idea to do court watching and she put together an organization and she got other people to participate.
[05:10.000 --> 05:20.000]  She got people who had issues in other courts to court watch for one another.
[05:20.000 --> 05:24.000]  And she has found what we have found.
[05:24.000 --> 05:27.000]  Court watching is very, very powerful.
[05:27.000 --> 05:41.000]  She just went and watched a couple of courts the other day and she said that the magistrate judges who were administering the courts saw her in the courtroom sitting back there taking notes.
[05:41.000 --> 05:45.000]  They knew who she was and what she had been doing.
[05:45.000 --> 05:51.000]  She said that they forced the lawyers to actually bring evidence.
[05:51.000 --> 06:03.000]  And said the lawyers are the judges absolutely civil and the judges are looking at each other like what I mean the lawyers were looking at each other like what in the heck is going on here.
[06:03.000 --> 06:08.000]  We're actually having to produce evidence.
[06:08.000 --> 06:12.000]  What a concept.
[06:12.000 --> 06:14.000]  What is this?
[06:14.000 --> 06:24.000]  But the one thing we try to convince everybody of is how powerful we really are.
[06:24.000 --> 06:38.000]  The judges and lawyers, they want to keep us ignorant as to the power we have to influence what goes on.
[06:38.000 --> 06:48.000]  One of my favorite experiences, I was talking to a little short mouthy little prosecutor in Johnson County.
[06:48.000 --> 06:52.000]  He was really gathering himself up in attitude.
[06:52.000 --> 06:56.000]  So I told him that Mr. Brown, I think you misunderstand something.
[06:56.000 --> 06:58.000]  What's that Mr. Kelton?
[06:58.000 --> 07:01.000]  Why, you're a public servant.
[07:01.000 --> 07:08.000]  He said yes, Mr. Kelton, I am and I leaned over him and tapped my chest.
[07:08.000 --> 07:11.000]  I said you're the servant that tapped my chest.
[07:11.000 --> 07:16.000]  I am the master and you are not to forget it.
[07:16.000 --> 07:19.000]  He said, I won't forget it, Mr. Kelton.
[07:19.000 --> 07:23.000]  Two days later, he was working for an oil company.
[07:23.000 --> 07:35.000]  He forgot that I filed criminal charges with the grand jury against his boss and this moron went in and talked to the grand jury while they were considering the complaints against his boss.
[07:35.000 --> 07:54.000]  They no built his boss and when I raised the issue of him going in there, I understand that the elected district attorney absolutely went ballistic and told this guy to pack his desk and get out.
[07:54.000 --> 08:04.000]  The prosecutor had just dodged a major bullet and this guy screwed it up.
[08:04.000 --> 08:16.000]  Well, we are the masters and I've taken to calling us the masters and not the sovereigns because there is a clear difference between the masters and the sovereigns.
[08:16.000 --> 08:28.000]  Sovereigns are those who are the descendants of individuals who fought for the Congress.
[08:28.000 --> 08:34.000]  Those are sovereigns, they're designated sovereigns.
[08:34.000 --> 08:40.000]  They're given specific privileges that pass down to their descendants.
[08:40.000 --> 08:45.000]  So anyone who is a descendant of one of those individuals is a sovereign.
[08:45.000 --> 08:46.000]  There are a number of things you can do.
[08:46.000 --> 08:52.000]  You can address the legislature and they have to hear you because you are the sovereign.
[08:52.000 --> 08:59.000]  But for the most part, that's not the most important thing that we are.
[08:59.000 --> 09:02.000]  We are the masters.
[09:02.000 --> 09:09.000]  Our public officials are the servants and we are the masters and we should act like it.
[09:09.000 --> 09:19.000]  And when we do act like the masters, we get our public officials a hopping and a jumping.
[09:19.000 --> 09:23.000]  Everybody does not have to go to court and act like the master.
[09:23.000 --> 09:26.000]  It would be nice if they did.
[09:26.000 --> 09:29.000]  But people are busy.
[09:29.000 --> 09:33.000]  People have varied interests.
[09:33.000 --> 09:40.000]  People have various and suddenly different influences and pressures acting on them.
[09:40.000 --> 09:50.000]  Not everybody has the time or the focus to do what Steve and Joe and I do.
[09:50.000 --> 09:52.000]  Matter of fact, most people don't have time for that.
[09:52.000 --> 09:53.000]  They have kids.
[09:53.000 --> 09:56.000]  They have kids that are having issues.
[09:56.000 --> 09:57.000]  They have sick parents.
[09:57.000 --> 09:59.000]  They have a boss drive nuts.
[09:59.000 --> 10:02.000]  They can't keep up.
[10:02.000 --> 10:04.000]  They can't do everything.
[10:04.000 --> 10:21.000]  The few of us can and frankly, this whole show, all the time I put in here is time looking for those few who have the time to become the masters and go in and become masters.
[10:21.000 --> 10:33.000]  So if you're busy and your life is filled up already and you come to us for remedy and we talk about you being the masters, you don't have time to be the masters, not a problem.
[10:33.000 --> 10:41.000]  We don't expect you to drop your life and exchange your life for our life.
[10:41.000 --> 10:43.000]  And that's OK.
[10:43.000 --> 10:45.000]  We'll give you all the help we can.
[10:45.000 --> 11:01.000]  And primarily, we do that so that we can find those few who have the time and the motivation to be the one percent that's needed to keep our government under control.
[11:01.000 --> 11:05.000]  And one percent is all we need.
[11:05.000 --> 11:07.000]  I doubt we even need one percent.
[11:07.000 --> 11:22.000]  How many people would have to go down to the courts and monitor the course behavior and start fighting professional complaints against them?
[11:22.000 --> 11:38.000]  And in this particular arena, the professional complaints are judicial conduct complaints, bar grievances, criminal complaints, the petitions to the district court for courts of inquiry, petitions for court to removal.
[11:38.000 --> 11:48.000]  We have a whole myriad of potential tools we can use to beat these guys up with.
[11:48.000 --> 11:54.000]  And, you know, being the master has certain benefits.
[11:54.000 --> 11:57.000]  That's great fun.
[11:57.000 --> 12:05.000]  You haven't lived until you went to the court when you don't have an issue before the court.
[12:05.000 --> 12:09.000]  They get real excited, real fast.
[12:09.000 --> 12:16.000]  And I'm going to start talking about and promoting court watching more.
[12:16.000 --> 12:25.000]  This is a really simple thing to do, and you can actually absolutely drive these guys bananas.
[12:25.000 --> 12:33.000]  I went to Williamson County and everybody said, William County, Williamson County is the most corrupt county in the state.
[12:33.000 --> 12:37.000]  You know, I do seminars all over the country on this issue.
[12:37.000 --> 12:46.000]  Everywhere I go, everybody says, oh, our county is the most corrupt county in the state.
[12:46.000 --> 12:50.000]  And I don't find much difference between one and the other.
[12:50.000 --> 13:08.000]  But what I do find in the counties that are somewhat more corrupt than others, that those officials that operate in those counties know full well the counties are corrupt.
[13:08.000 --> 13:14.000]  They know full well that what they're doing is not proper.
[13:14.000 --> 13:23.000]  I see people coming in, getting involved in the system and just getting screwed and loyal.
[13:23.000 --> 13:26.000]  They know this is wrong.
[13:26.000 --> 13:30.000]  They're more afraid of the system than you are.
[13:30.000 --> 13:37.000]  Because they see everybody getting screwed, especially public officials.
[13:37.000 --> 13:46.000]  When a policeman is brought before the court and issues are adjudicated, they see these policemen get whipped a new one.
[13:46.000 --> 13:53.000]  And they get the impression that the system is much harder on them than it is the general public.
[13:53.000 --> 14:05.000]  What they tend not to realize is in order for a policeman to actually be brought up before the courts, he has to be a real stinker.
[14:05.000 --> 14:16.000]  And he has to really done a lot of stuff to get a lot of people really upset at him because most of the garbage these guys do, everybody protects it.
[14:16.000 --> 14:24.000]  When they get one of these narcissistic sociopaths that's just totally out of control, sometimes you have to get rid of them.
[14:24.000 --> 14:28.000]  They bring them before the court and they just crucify them.
[14:28.000 --> 14:33.000]  The only one these officials see coming before the court really get crucified.
[14:33.000 --> 14:40.000]  So they think every public official is subject to getting crucified.
[14:40.000 --> 14:51.000]  So when you come in there as a unknown agent, I absolutely love to go into a court.
[14:51.000 --> 14:57.000]  Just sit and watch the bailiff always come over and say, do you have a case in this court today?
[14:57.000 --> 15:07.000]  No. When I did this in Williamson County, first I went to the clerk and looked at their records and the complaints are always missing.
[15:07.000 --> 15:17.000]  So I jerked him around about the missing complaints and went and filed an information request with the county attorney asking for these complaints.
[15:17.000 --> 15:25.000]  I asked for all records collected, similar to maintained by the department that are specifically referenced by Article 1730 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[15:25.000 --> 15:34.000]  And a prosecutor came out and said, Mr. Kelton, I'm reading your request and I'm not sure what you're asking for.
[15:34.000 --> 15:38.000]  He said, we'll ask for all reference by 1730 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[15:38.000 --> 15:43.000]  She said, well, I don't know what that is. Well, go read it.
[15:43.000 --> 15:51.000]  And that was all she said. Mr. Kelton, will you nail your complaint? No.
[15:51.000 --> 15:57.000]  Oh, OK. So then I went and sat in the courtroom and just watched. I didn't hear any business in the courtroom.
[15:57.000 --> 16:02.000]  They were having this cattle call where they're bringing guys up out of the jail and making deals with them.
[16:02.000 --> 16:09.000]  And everybody's wanting to know why I'm there. The bailiff comes over and says, can I help you know?
[16:09.000 --> 16:12.000]  I said, well, do you have a case here today? No.
[16:12.000 --> 16:17.000]  And then I asked him about the appearance docket and he didn't know where it was.
[16:17.000 --> 16:22.000]  And I told him, go find out. He went and asked people, they told him where I could get the appearance docket.
[16:22.000 --> 16:28.000]  And then this prosecutor came over, wanted to know if I had a case here today.
[16:28.000 --> 16:31.000]  I said, no. Do you have a civil case here? No.
[16:31.000 --> 16:37.000]  And the third time he spoke to me, I held up both hands and I told him no, no questions.
[16:37.000 --> 16:41.000]  These guys were terrifying. When I come back, I'll tell you what the results of that was.
[16:41.000 --> 16:50.000]  And I think I understand why I got those results. I got the results that they didn't know who I was.
[16:50.000 --> 16:54.000]  And I'll explain why that was important when I come back. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[16:54.000 --> 16:59.000]  We Love Radio here with Steve Skidmore. We'll be right back.
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[19:43.000 --> 19:47.000]  This is Randy Pelton, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio.
[19:47.000 --> 19:49.000]  Sorry about the chuckle there.
[19:49.000 --> 19:55.000]  We were just picking on our helpers in the background.
[19:55.000 --> 19:59.000]  Don't say we, I stick up for them.
[19:59.000 --> 20:01.000]  Okay, I was picking on them.
[20:01.000 --> 20:07.000]  Poor guys, folks, they catch all kinds of flack from Randy on the break.
[20:07.000 --> 20:10.000]  Oh, man.
[20:10.000 --> 20:20.000]  Okay, what happened was I always wear a suit when I do this, so they give difference to suits.
[20:20.000 --> 20:29.000]  I sat down in the courtroom and started making notes and asked the bailiff where I could get an appearance docket for this hearing.
[20:29.000 --> 20:30.000]  And he didn't know.
[20:30.000 --> 20:32.000]  I said, well, go ask somebody.
[20:32.000 --> 20:36.000]  So I'm treating him like I'm the master and he's the servant.
[20:36.000 --> 20:42.000]  So he, okay, and he goes back and he comes and tells me I can go downstairs at the clerk in the front desk.
[20:42.000 --> 20:43.000]  She'll have one.
[20:43.000 --> 20:45.000]  I told him, well, thank you.
[20:45.000 --> 20:49.000]  And I'm sitting here watching these hearings, taking notes.
[20:49.000 --> 20:51.000]  And they sent this young prosecutor out.
[20:51.000 --> 20:58.000]  He's got a black suit on, solid black suit, solid black shirt, bright red satin tie.
[20:58.000 --> 21:02.000]  I guess he thought he was a monster or something.
[21:02.000 --> 21:04.000]  He must have thought he looked cool.
[21:04.000 --> 21:06.000]  But he said, sir, sir.
[21:06.000 --> 21:08.000]  And I looked up at him and said, yes.
[21:08.000 --> 21:10.000]  Do you have a case here today?
[21:10.000 --> 21:11.000]  Oh, no, no, no.
[21:11.000 --> 21:12.000]  Nothing like that.
[21:12.000 --> 21:14.000]  I go back to writing.
[21:14.000 --> 21:15.000]  He stands there a minute.
[21:15.000 --> 21:16.000]  Sir, sir.
[21:16.000 --> 21:17.000]  And I said, yes.
[21:17.000 --> 21:19.000]  Do you have a civil case in this court?
[21:19.000 --> 21:20.000]  Oh, no, no, no.
[21:20.000 --> 21:21.000]  Nothing like that.
[21:21.000 --> 21:23.000]  I go back to writing.
[21:23.000 --> 21:25.000]  He stands there a minute.
[21:25.000 --> 21:26.000]  Sir, sir.
[21:26.000 --> 21:27.000]  And I look up at him.
[21:27.000 --> 21:33.000]  I hold up both hands with my palms out and said, no more questions.
[21:33.000 --> 21:37.000]  Well, you would have thought I hit him with a brick.
[21:37.000 --> 21:43.000]  He had this look on his face like I don't believe that guy just said that to me.
[21:43.000 --> 21:45.000]  And then I turned back and went back to writing.
[21:45.000 --> 21:47.000]  And I could see him in my peripheral vision.
[21:47.000 --> 21:49.000]  He kind of shuffled around a little bit.
[21:49.000 --> 21:51.000]  And then he ambled off.
[21:51.000 --> 21:55.000]  A little while later, an older guy came and leaned over the bench.
[21:55.000 --> 21:56.000]  And he said, sir.
[21:56.000 --> 21:57.000]  I was writing the first row.
[21:57.000 --> 21:58.000]  He said, sir.
[21:58.000 --> 22:01.000]  And he leaned over the bar.
[22:01.000 --> 22:02.000]  He said, sir.
[22:02.000 --> 22:03.000]  And I said, yes.
[22:03.000 --> 22:07.000]  He said, you know, you could get an appearance document down at the clerk down there.
[22:07.000 --> 22:08.000]  And I said, yeah, no.
[22:08.000 --> 22:10.000]  I think they just told me that.
[22:10.000 --> 22:11.000]  Thank you.
[22:11.000 --> 22:15.000]  He's trying to engage me.
[22:15.000 --> 22:17.000]  So I said, yeah, I know.
[22:17.000 --> 22:19.000]  And went back to writing.
[22:19.000 --> 22:22.000]  It's a minute.
[22:22.000 --> 22:23.000]  Sir, sir.
[22:23.000 --> 22:24.000]  And I said, yes.
[22:24.000 --> 22:27.000]  Is there something I can help you with?
[22:27.000 --> 22:32.000]  I said, if I need you, I will summon you.
[22:32.000 --> 22:34.000]  You are dismissed.
[22:34.000 --> 22:37.000]  And I went back to writing.
[22:37.000 --> 22:41.000]  I went there with Doug Bell.
[22:41.000 --> 22:49.000]  Doug Bell had been arrested because they pulled him over and they searched his car, found an aspirin bottle with two pills in it.
[22:49.000 --> 22:51.000]  They were both prescription.
[22:51.000 --> 23:00.000]  He brought them the prescription for each of the pills, and they're still pursuing prosecution.
[23:00.000 --> 23:09.000]  So when I came there with him, they went to him and asked him if he was there with anyone else. And I had told him, don't say you're with me if they ask you.
[23:09.000 --> 23:10.000]  You don't know anything about me.
[23:10.000 --> 23:12.000]  And he said, well, no, just me and Steve here.
[23:12.000 --> 23:13.000]  Why?
[23:13.000 --> 23:15.000]  He said, well, somebody's looking through your records.
[23:15.000 --> 23:19.000]  And he said, I told you I had a top secret clearance, and you guys are going to screw it up.
[23:19.000 --> 23:22.000]  So now they think I'm a fed.
[23:22.000 --> 23:27.000]  They got the judge to dismiss his case.
[23:27.000 --> 23:30.000]  Then he says, is there anything else?
[23:30.000 --> 23:32.000]  Well, could you get the judge to sign the order?
[23:32.000 --> 23:35.000]  They go back and get the judge to sign the order.
[23:35.000 --> 23:37.000]  He said, was there anything else?
[23:37.000 --> 23:40.000]  I said, well, I would like to get my bond back.
[23:40.000 --> 23:43.000]  They take him down to the clerk, and he takes the paperwork.
[23:43.000 --> 23:46.000]  They send him a check the next day.
[23:46.000 --> 23:56.000]  He came into a seminar I was doing in Brady Books, and he said, have you ever walked into a room and turned the lights on and watched the cockroaches scatter?
[23:56.000 --> 23:58.000]  He said, that's what it looked like.
[23:58.000 --> 24:00.000]  Now, what happened?
[24:00.000 --> 24:03.000]  These guys knew they were screwing things up.
[24:03.000 --> 24:05.000]  They knew they weren't following law.
[24:05.000 --> 24:07.000]  Then this ringer comes in there.
[24:07.000 --> 24:10.000]  They have no idea who I am.
[24:10.000 --> 24:12.000]  They don't know what's going on here.
[24:12.000 --> 24:22.000]  And every one of them runs home to their deepest, darkest closet, or runs home to their closet, opens it up, and looks in there at their deepest, darkest skeleton.
[24:22.000 --> 24:25.000]  And they are sure that I know what's there.
[24:25.000 --> 24:33.000]  The more corrupt they are, the more susceptible they are to the master.
[24:33.000 --> 24:39.000]  And all I did was came in and thought of myself as the master of the court.
[24:39.000 --> 24:42.000]  This is my court.
[24:42.000 --> 24:51.000]  And I very generously allow these officials to administer my court in accordance with my law.
[24:51.000 --> 24:55.000]  And okay, it's your court, too, and your law, too.
[24:55.000 --> 24:58.000]  But this is not a democracy we're in.
[24:58.000 --> 25:01.000]  This is a republic.
[25:01.000 --> 25:05.000]  The law belongs to each one of us individually.
[25:05.000 --> 25:07.000]  So I act like it.
[25:07.000 --> 25:08.000]  It makes them crazy.
[25:08.000 --> 25:09.000]  This is very powerful.
[25:09.000 --> 25:11.000]  Steve wanted to address this as well.
[25:11.000 --> 25:12.000]  Steve?
[25:12.000 --> 25:21.000]  Well, my soft little wife had been asking me and asking me and asking me to write a little blurb on several different issues.
[25:21.000 --> 25:25.000]  So I finally started – I broke down and finally started writing articles.
[25:25.000 --> 25:28.000]  And I found that I was writing so many articles I needed a place to put them.
[25:28.000 --> 25:38.000]  So I started a blog, prosaforeclosure.wordpress.com, I believe is the location.
[25:38.000 --> 25:40.000]  But I started putting my articles there.
[25:40.000 --> 25:42.000]  And you were talking about court watching.
[25:42.000 --> 25:48.000]  And I addressed court watching and the advantages to taking time out of your day.
[25:48.000 --> 25:52.000]  I know you're busy, but if you got something before the court and you plan on going in bareback,
[25:52.000 --> 25:54.000]  it would behoove you to know how the court operates.
[25:54.000 --> 26:04.000]  And there's nothing like going to court when you don't have a dog in that day's hunt to go in and watch the courts,
[26:04.000 --> 26:09.000]  watch how the courts operate, watch how the lawyers present themselves.
[26:09.000 --> 26:16.000]  Their body language, watch their mannerisms, listen to the language they're speaking, watch how they address the court,
[26:16.000 --> 26:21.000]  watch how they introduce their argument, how they introduce their evidence.
[26:21.000 --> 26:32.000]  When you become more accustomed to what's going on in the courts, you tend to – we always want to do as the Romans do when we're in Rome.
[26:32.000 --> 26:43.000]  So if you're going to a Roman civil court, no pun intended, it would behoove you to at least have some type of knowledge of what's going on in there.
[26:43.000 --> 26:53.000]  And I'll guarantee that nervous, prosa, oh-my-god feeling will be, depending on how often you go to court watch,
[26:53.000 --> 27:01.000]  the more familiar you get with the process and with how things proceed in court, the more the angst goes away,
[27:01.000 --> 27:05.000]  the more familiar you are with it, the more confidence you have.
[27:05.000 --> 27:14.000]  So when it comes your time, your turn, to cross that bar and act as an attorney of fact in your own situation,
[27:14.000 --> 27:26.000]  you will be better prepared to object in a timely manner, to deal with objections, get them set aside, get them overruled, and move on with your case.
[27:26.000 --> 27:35.000]  You'll be a lot better off for it. So there's way more than one advantage to going and taking the time to go to court.
[27:35.000 --> 27:44.000]  And just like Randy said, they're your courts. Go. They're free. They're better than the movies sometimes.
[27:44.000 --> 27:46.000]  Oh, yeah, great entertainment.
[27:46.000 --> 27:53.000]  Oh, yeah. I watched a guy out here named Bill Gammon. Gammon is a very, very good attorney.
[27:53.000 --> 27:58.000]  But to watch him interact with the court was just it was it was better than going to movies.
[27:58.000 --> 28:04.000]  He is so fluid, so nonchalant. It's, you know, the courtroom is his home.
[28:04.000 --> 28:10.000]  And I appreciate an attorney that does that. But I more appreciate a pro se who does that.
[28:10.000 --> 28:14.000]  And the only way to get that is to go watch.
[28:14.000 --> 28:20.000]  You don't want to wait till it's your turn up to bat to take that first swing. Go watch how the professionals do it.
[28:20.000 --> 28:34.000]  Yes, one of the primary things that I do here in order for me to to have a positive outcome, I need to know what that outcome is.
[28:34.000 --> 28:42.000]  And one of the main things that I deal with and all of us deal with, whether we realize it or not,
[28:42.000 --> 28:51.000]  are response sets that we people have learned that they bring to the table with them.
[28:51.000 --> 29:06.000]  The primary response set people have for dealing with courts is the response set they learned dealing with public officials in the school system.
[29:06.000 --> 29:14.000]  We put our children through 12 years of a government mandated school system administered by public officials.
[29:14.000 --> 29:23.000]  And the Education Reform Bill commands that the court that the schools instill a child deep in faith in and respect for the American form of government.
[29:23.000 --> 29:26.000]  They do that. They tell you about all these great and wonderful rights that you have.
[29:26.000 --> 29:33.000]  While at the same time, they make it very clear to you don't you even think of trying to express one of those while you're in this school.
[29:33.000 --> 29:37.000]  The whole way to the system with a landlocked square on your head.
[29:37.000 --> 29:40.000]  That's what we come to court with.
[29:40.000 --> 29:52.000]  And I'm trying to help people juxtapose that response set with the response set a parent uses when he comes to find out what you're doing to one of my children.
[29:52.000 --> 30:03.000]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens. Steve Skidmore will be right back from the other side.
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[33:15.000 --> 33:21.000]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm going to solve them.
[33:21.000 --> 33:23.000]  To the hell government them.
[33:23.000 --> 33:25.000]  Prosecute them.
[33:25.000 --> 33:29.000]  Okay.
[33:29.000 --> 33:32.000]  All set.
[33:32.000 --> 33:56.000]  Okay, we are back.
[33:56.000 --> 34:02.000]  Skidmore, rule of law radio, and a 50 supplement rule of law group of callers.
[34:02.000 --> 34:09.000]  Primarily, most of the things we're doing here is about response sets.
[34:09.000 --> 34:14.000]  We learn how to react and respond to different situations.
[34:14.000 --> 34:31.000]  And then we go through our life, and we have an experience, and we go inside and look for something that we know about these experiences. Somebody walks by and steps on our ingrown toenail.
[34:31.000 --> 34:34.000]  That really hurts.
[34:34.000 --> 34:36.000]  And what do you do?
[34:36.000 --> 34:49.000]  Well, it depends on how you were raised and what you learned growing up. Your conscious mind will go inside and look for a context in which to frame this.
[34:49.000 --> 35:15.000]  If your parents were empathetic and understanding when they were angry or when you hurt them, then you may have your response set. But if you weren't, and you're not aware that you're changing context, you tend to wind up doing things that you look back on it and wonder, why the heck did I do that?
[35:15.000 --> 35:23.000]  And that's because you can't do everything consciously. We learn how to do things and put those learnings away.
[35:23.000 --> 35:45.000]  And when we deal in areas that we don't deal with often, it's very common for us to access response sets that are out of date, no longer fit the circumstance. I went to a court once just to watch.
[35:45.000 --> 35:59.000]  This was years ago. And I didn't have a case that day. I was with someone else. And all these people out there, they're all getting this bravado of what they're going to do when they get in there, blah, blah, blah.
[35:59.000 --> 36:10.000]  This one guy, very sophisticated, really expensive suit, salt and pepper hair. He was, I thought he was a lawyer from the way he handled himself.
[36:10.000 --> 36:25.000]  We went into the courtroom and he was the first person that he called up. He stood in front of the judge, could barely talk, his hands were visibly shaking.
[36:25.000 --> 36:41.000]  And I thought, what in the world is going on? Here is an intelligent, sophisticated, experienced individual and he's acting like a little kid sent to the principal.
[36:41.000 --> 36:53.000]  That's exactly what he was doing because he hadn't dealt with public officials.
[36:53.000 --> 37:03.000]  You there, Randy? Did we drop you?
[37:03.000 --> 37:14.000]  I wonder if Randy dropped off. It sounds like it. Chris, are we still up?
[37:14.000 --> 37:25.000]  Okay, Randy's out right now. So I'll tell you what, while we're waiting for Randy to come back, let's go to Terry in Missouri. Hello, Terry, can you hear me?
[37:25.000 --> 37:28.000]  Yes, I can, sir. How are you?
[37:28.000 --> 37:41.000]  Good, good, good. Sorry about the technical difficulty in the background. Sometimes the connection where Randy's at is kind of patchy. So did you have a question or comment tonight?
[37:41.000 --> 37:54.000]  Well, actually, I'm calling in wanting to get a hold and discuss an issue with Mr. Kelton, a good friend of mine, Steve Scott in Florida recommended I call him. I'm also working with Michael Mears.
[37:54.000 --> 38:18.000]  Get my credit fixed up. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to pro se. I filed four complaints in federal court and they're all moving forward so I can at least say I did that. However, I had a guy here locally in Missouri that wrote me a bad check. He did it to eight other individuals.
[38:18.000 --> 38:24.000]  You there, Terry? I don't know.
[38:24.000 --> 38:26.000]  Hello?
[38:26.000 --> 38:29.000]  Yeah, Terry, sorry about that. Are you there now?
[38:29.000 --> 38:31.000]  Yes, I am.
[38:31.000 --> 38:43.000]  Okay, I don't know what's going on with the board, but we're getting some really strange things happening tonight. But anyway, we'll back up about two or three sentences and pick up.
[38:43.000 --> 38:47.000]  Okay, we'll try to get to the bottom line. I need some assist.
[38:47.000 --> 38:48.000]  Sure.
[38:48.000 --> 39:05.000]  On how to put a complaint together against the guy that screwed me. I sustained full damages, messed up my credit. I can't pay my creditors. Again, I'm on a disability. I can't even pay for my medicines.
[39:05.000 --> 39:06.000]  Okay.
[39:06.000 --> 39:23.000]  I helped this man. He turned around and that's what he did to me. The only thing this guy has of any significant value is an old two-story farmhouse that they trashed. They're into drugs. The thing's worth maybe $30,000, fair market value.
[39:23.000 --> 39:43.000]  I want to put a complaint together, sue his socks off, do a loose pendent. I don't know really how to do all that and go after him, kick him out. He's going to be in a penitentiary anyway, but he is married. But I want to get something back for what he did to me.
[39:43.000 --> 39:46.000]  Okay. Have you ever heard of Jurisdictionary?
[39:46.000 --> 39:49.000]  Yes, I know about it. And again, guys-
[39:49.000 --> 39:50.000]  Do you have it?
[39:50.000 --> 40:02.000]  I don't have any money. It's a disgraceful situation. And I was just looking for someone to kind of help me put a complaint together.
[40:02.000 --> 40:05.000]  Okay. Randy, have we got you back?
[40:05.000 --> 40:12.000]  Yeah, I'm back. My apologies. My internet is having problems. I had to come back to you on my cell phone.
[40:12.000 --> 40:14.000]  Okay.
[40:14.000 --> 40:17.000]  What was the issue? I missed the first part of it.
[40:17.000 --> 40:29.000]  Okay. To nutshell, Terry's got a situation here where he has been harmed and he needs help putting his pleadings together, putting his motions together.
[40:29.000 --> 40:32.000]  Context, context.
[40:32.000 --> 40:33.000]  Right.
[40:33.000 --> 40:36.000]  What was the nature of the harm?
[40:36.000 --> 40:38.000]  I'm sorry?
[40:38.000 --> 40:40.000]  What was the nature of the harm?
[40:40.000 --> 40:47.000]  I don't know what you're talking about. I think it's something to do with foreclosure. I missed all that first part.
[40:47.000 --> 41:00.000]  No, well, I think Terry, wasn't this, you said somebody had written you a bad check and written seven or eight other people a bad check. Is that correct? Theft of services?
[41:00.000 --> 41:12.000]  He got caught with the local federalities and he's probably going to go to prison. The only thing that this guy has in value is an old two-story farmhouse.
[41:12.000 --> 41:22.000]  I didn't know these people were into drugs. It's pretty much trashed. It's the only thing of value the guy has, him and his wife. It's free and clear. There's no liens.
[41:22.000 --> 41:40.000]  I want to put together a complaint. My credit, I can't pay my creditors. I'm on a disability and I'm just so limited in money that, you know, that's why I called you guys and Steve, Scott, and Florida recommended I call you.
[41:40.000 --> 41:50.000]  Okay. In order to seek remedy for the individual, yes, you would have to file a civil action.
[41:50.000 --> 42:03.000]  Right. Get a claim against the person in the civil action and then petition the court for a judgment against his property so that you could liquidate the property to satisfy the claim.
[42:03.000 --> 42:10.000]  However, you are in Missouri. Does Missouri have homestead laws?
[42:10.000 --> 42:21.000]  Randy, I do not know that, sir. Okay. If Missouri has homestead laws that the property is homesteaded, you can't get to it.
[42:21.000 --> 42:30.000]  Okay. Well, I can tell you a little bit more. His grandfather bought this house free and clear and gave it to this guy and his wife.
[42:30.000 --> 42:43.000]  There is a deed of trust filed against it from the elderly man who I now know. He said he would withdraw that in a heartbeat if I sued this guy, his grandson.
[42:43.000 --> 42:52.000]  There's no money against the property. That won't help you if the property is homesteaded.
[42:52.000 --> 43:04.000]  Okay. Right. You still can't get to it. He should get to it with a deed of trust because that is agreed to by the holder of the warranty.
[43:04.000 --> 43:24.000]  Okay. But that's the only way you can get at a homesteaded property unless you have the fraud exclusion, which in Texas we do. In this case, this would be an act of fraud, an intentional tort.
[43:24.000 --> 43:35.000]  Yes. Then if you have the fraud exclusion, then even his homesteaded property is not protected. But you would have to file a civil action.
[43:35.000 --> 43:40.000]  How good was the check out there, Randy?
[43:40.000 --> 44:02.000]  Here we're coming up for a break, folks. 512-646-1984 is the number you can dial to join us in conversation. I see we're already stacking up a few callers, so we will be back on the other side of these messages. Stay tuned.
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[46:13.000 --> 46:25.000]  Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, yeah.
[46:25.000 --> 46:35.000]  Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for. When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for.
[46:35.000 --> 46:41.000]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton
[46:41.000 --> 46:46.000]  I'm just here making my living pushing buttons
[46:46.000 --> 46:48.000]  Okay, we are back.
[46:48.000 --> 46:54.000]  Brandon Kelton, Steve Skidmore, Rubah Radio, and Terry.
[46:54.000 --> 47:01.000]  If you are to go after this guy over a bad check to try to take his property,
[47:01.000 --> 47:07.000]  the amount of the claim you have against him would have to exceed the value of the property
[47:07.000 --> 47:13.000]  for you to be able to get a judgment against the property to liquidate it,
[47:13.000 --> 47:19.000]  even if you could get a claim under fraud and get past the homestead statute.
[47:19.000 --> 47:22.000]  So how big was the bad check?
[47:22.000 --> 47:26.000]  Well, the check was minimal, but I didn't catch it in time,
[47:26.000 --> 47:30.000]  and now my credit's again ruined after I got it corrected.
[47:30.000 --> 47:34.000]  Stop, stop. How big was the check?
[47:34.000 --> 47:38.000]  Oh, $475.
[47:38.000 --> 47:41.000]  That's right, yeah.
[47:41.000 --> 47:45.000]  You're not going to get a real property over a $400 check.
[47:45.000 --> 47:48.000]  No.
[47:48.000 --> 47:51.000]  Three times the amount of the check is $1,200.
[47:51.000 --> 47:57.000]  So you might want to look at the cost of a lawsuit that's going to way outweigh the value of the check.
[47:57.000 --> 48:03.000]  Even if you could sue him under private attorney general and claim all these others,
[48:03.000 --> 48:09.000]  which in this case you won't be able to because the class is not big enough,
[48:09.000 --> 48:20.000]  I think you're trying to secure a remedy where you're really not going to have a viable remedy.
[48:20.000 --> 48:23.000]  Okay.
[48:23.000 --> 48:31.000]  You might be able to go after him, you know, push for criminal prosecution.
[48:31.000 --> 48:35.000]  You know, if they've offered a deal, you might go down and jump up and down and wave your arms
[48:35.000 --> 48:38.000]  and try to get him put in jail for a while or something,
[48:38.000 --> 48:45.000]  but I don't think you'll be able to maintain a viable civil action.
[48:45.000 --> 48:50.000]  Okay. The only other thing, Rainey, this guy owns of any significant value,
[48:50.000 --> 48:55.000]  between him and his wife is a late model Cadillac.
[48:55.000 --> 48:59.000]  You're not going to get into a late model Cadillac either with a $1,200 claim.
[48:59.000 --> 49:01.000]  Okay.
[49:01.000 --> 49:08.000]  Your claim has got to exceed, yeah, if you're, let's say your claim is $1,200.
[49:08.000 --> 49:12.000]  You've got to go after something that's $1,200 or less.
[49:12.000 --> 49:14.000]  Okay.
[49:14.000 --> 49:22.000]  And it's going to cost you way more than that to file the suit, especially if you can't do it yourself.
[49:22.000 --> 49:26.000]  Yeah. Okay.
[49:26.000 --> 49:31.000]  We wish there was always remedy, but sometimes there's just not.
[49:31.000 --> 49:32.000]  Okay.
[49:32.000 --> 49:34.000]  Okay. Thank you, Terry.
[49:34.000 --> 49:39.000]  Now, you may be able to put a lien of some sort on his house,
[49:39.000 --> 49:44.000]  and he wouldn't be able to sell it until he satisfies your $1,200.
[49:44.000 --> 49:47.000]  No, you don't put a lien on the house.
[49:47.000 --> 49:48.000]  You can't do that?
[49:48.000 --> 49:51.000]  No, not unless you get a claim.
[49:51.000 --> 49:52.000]  Ah.
[49:52.000 --> 49:58.000]  You can put a lien on the house if he grants you the claim,
[49:58.000 --> 50:03.000]  like if he hires you to work on his house, you can do a mechanics lien and material man's lien.
[50:03.000 --> 50:07.000]  But you can't just file a lien against the property.
[50:07.000 --> 50:08.000]  Okay.
[50:08.000 --> 50:13.000]  Unless the court has given you a claim against it.
[50:13.000 --> 50:15.000]  I'm glad we got that one heard out.
[50:15.000 --> 50:16.000]  Okay.
[50:16.000 --> 50:21.000]  He'll come back at you for slander of title.
[50:21.000 --> 50:23.000]  Okay. Right.
[50:23.000 --> 50:30.000]  Well, guys, I'm just in a bad situation.
[50:30.000 --> 50:32.000]  Yeah, there's not always a remedy.
[50:32.000 --> 50:40.000]  You know, it's unfortunate that, well, there is remedy, but the remedy would cost you more than it's worth to try to secure.
[50:40.000 --> 50:41.000]  Yep.
[50:41.000 --> 50:42.000]  Okay.
[50:42.000 --> 50:43.000]  All righty.
[50:43.000 --> 50:45.000]  Thank you, Terry.
[50:45.000 --> 50:46.000]  Okay.
[50:45.000 --> 50:46.000]  Thank you, Terry.
[50:46.000 --> 50:51.000]  Now, we're going to go to Andrew in Pennsylvania.
[50:51.000 --> 50:53.000]  Hello, Andrew.
[50:53.000 --> 50:54.000]  Yeah, what's up?
[50:54.000 --> 50:58.000]  You might remember I sent you an email requesting that I make this brief,
[50:58.000 --> 51:05.000]  that you and Deborah are trying to come on my show maybe at the same time to kill two birds with one stone, and you said you wanted to talk to me.
[51:05.000 --> 51:10.000]  I sent you a reply saying you want to talk to me through email or verbally, and you never replied to that.
[51:10.000 --> 51:12.000]  Do you remember that by any chance?
[51:12.000 --> 51:18.000]  I remember you sending me an email, and I sent you a response back.
[51:18.000 --> 51:33.000]  And I especially remember the two birds with one stone, and what I was thinking is if that Deborah and I get on there, I'm the one that will get stoned.
[51:33.000 --> 51:38.000]  Anyway, just kidding.
[51:38.000 --> 51:41.000]  I thought I responded to all your emails.
[51:41.000 --> 51:44.000]  I don't recall one that I didn't respond to.
[51:44.000 --> 51:49.000]  But it's possible. I get about a hundred emails a day.
[51:49.000 --> 51:52.000]  Okay, that's understandable.
[51:52.000 --> 51:55.000]  But hey, still want to come on.
[51:55.000 --> 52:03.000]  I'm interested to have you on to talk about all the things you talk about, about the nature of reality from a law perspective.
[52:03.000 --> 52:08.000]  But other than that, do you have time to cover legal subjects?
[52:08.000 --> 52:09.000]  Yes.
[52:09.000 --> 52:14.000]  Okay. First of all, have you heard of the One People's Public Trust?
[52:14.000 --> 52:17.000]  No.
[52:17.000 --> 52:24.000]  Okay. That is a group of people who supposedly foreclosed on the banks.
[52:24.000 --> 52:26.000]  I have the thing right in front of me.
[52:26.000 --> 52:30.000]  I'll try to quickly skim over this to get the whole thing in detail.
[52:30.000 --> 52:34.000]  The Uniform Commercial Code governs the laws of global commerce,
[52:34.000 --> 52:40.000]  and it has been used fraudulently as a tool to promote the slave system and advance the New World Order agenda.
[52:40.000 --> 52:44.000]  And they point out your own governments are actually corporations.
[52:44.000 --> 52:47.000]  And these people, the One People's Public Trust,
[52:47.000 --> 52:55.000]  they realized that the powers that they were manipulating the UCC to control the financial system at every level.
[52:55.000 --> 52:59.000]  So the OPPT people, they published a report called the Paradigm Report,
[52:59.000 --> 53:04.000]  which concluded that the corporations operating under the guise of the people's governments and financial systems
[53:04.000 --> 53:09.000]  were committing treason against the people without the people knowing or without the people consenting.
[53:09.000 --> 53:13.000]  And the OPPT had the evidence for this.
[53:13.000 --> 53:22.000]  They worked on the documents, and they supposedly foreclosed on the banks, foreclosed meaning to shut out, close, exclude, or bar.
[53:22.000 --> 53:31.000]  And the whole key thing about the filings is the filings made by the OPPT says that the states of being averse
[53:31.000 --> 53:38.000]  are the beneficiaries of the Creator as the custodians of the Creator's manifestations on Earth.
[53:38.000 --> 53:42.000]  Lawfully speaking, there can be no higher claim than that of a one-
[53:42.000 --> 53:43.000]  Hold on, hold on.
[53:43.000 --> 53:45.000]  Okay, we've been here before.
[53:45.000 --> 53:52.000]  The Bible says, render unto Caesar.
[53:52.000 --> 53:58.000]  And I think God would be pretty P.O.ed if you drug him down into one of these courts.
[53:58.000 --> 54:05.000]  God's law does not apply in courts.
[54:05.000 --> 54:11.000]  We have a lot of people making those claims.
[54:11.000 --> 54:23.000]  And just because someone holds that God is supreme law, God is supreme law to the person that holds that God is supreme law.
[54:23.000 --> 54:25.000]  But only to that person.
[54:25.000 --> 54:29.000]  God's law does not apply in court.
[54:29.000 --> 54:32.000]  Statutory law applies in court.
[54:32.000 --> 54:40.000]  Granted, statutory law is essentially tailored on God's law.
[54:40.000 --> 54:43.000]  But it is not God's law.
[54:43.000 --> 54:46.000]  And we cannot bring it into the court.
[54:46.000 --> 54:52.000]  I don't mean to be difficult here, but we have a lot of people who have done this.
[54:52.000 --> 54:54.000]  I've dealt with this a lot in the past.
[54:54.000 --> 55:01.000]  Where they have ideas and have notions of how things should be.
[55:01.000 --> 55:04.000]  And for the most part, I agree with them.
[55:04.000 --> 55:12.000]  But just because they feel that things should be this way doesn't mean they aren't.
[55:12.000 --> 55:19.000]  So they make accusations and assertions based on how they believe things should be.
[55:19.000 --> 55:25.000]  And always when I get these assertions, I always ask them for the law.
[55:25.000 --> 55:29.000]  Are you familiar with Winston Shroud?
[55:29.000 --> 55:34.000]  Yes. In fact, he actually was talking about the OPPT in an interview.
[55:34.000 --> 55:38.000]  And he actually said things like who died and made the OPPT God.
[55:38.000 --> 55:45.000]  But people who try to counter Winston Shroud say, hey, if enough people devote their attention to the OPPT, it can succeed.
[55:45.000 --> 55:47.000]  Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
[55:47.000 --> 55:49.000]  I did a show with Winston Shroud.
[55:49.000 --> 55:53.000]  I do a Monday night show on Higher Ground Live.
[55:53.000 --> 55:57.000]  And Pastor Massad hosts Winston Shroud on the show.
[55:57.000 --> 56:00.000]  And I did a spot on his show one time.
[56:00.000 --> 56:08.000]  And I talked to Winston and he told me about the bankruptcy in 31 and this whole thing.
[56:08.000 --> 56:14.000]  And I said, well, Winston, you know, I'm a creature of statute.
[56:14.000 --> 56:18.000]  And I try to help people with legal issues.
[56:18.000 --> 56:22.000]  And the only way I can do that is to give them law.
[56:22.000 --> 56:27.000]  I only deal with the law as it is.
[56:27.000 --> 56:30.000]  Now, I have notions of how it should be.
[56:30.000 --> 56:35.000]  But in order to help someone find remedy, I have to do that with the law the way it is.
[56:35.000 --> 56:42.000]  So tell me what you're talking about here, the bankruptcy and the legacy accounts.
[56:42.000 --> 56:47.000]  Where is the statute or case law in support of that?
[56:47.000 --> 56:53.000]  And he thought about it a minute and he said, well, I don't know if there is any.
[56:53.000 --> 56:58.000]  I said, well, then Winston, where did you come up with this?
[56:58.000 --> 57:02.000]  He said, I figured it out.
[57:02.000 --> 57:08.000]  So essentially you're saying you made it up.
[57:08.000 --> 57:15.000]  He thought a minute and to his credit, he said, yes, a matter of fact, that is.
[57:15.000 --> 57:19.000]  I said, Winston, I can't go into court because I made it up.
[57:19.000 --> 57:23.000]  I need statute and case law.
[57:23.000 --> 57:33.000]  I need something that the court must adhere to the court, the trial courts.
[57:33.000 --> 57:39.000]  They have a duty to determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence,
[57:39.000 --> 57:45.000]  then apply the law as it comes to them, to the facts in the case.
[57:45.000 --> 57:55.000]  If I find a judge applying his personal opinion, I'm going to land right square in the middle of him.
[57:55.000 --> 57:59.000]  I don't even care if his personal opinion is right.
[57:59.000 --> 58:04.000]  If he is not applying the law to the facts, he's abusing my court.
[58:04.000 --> 58:13.000]  So when I go to that court, I have to take facts and then a law that applies to those facts.
[58:13.000 --> 58:18.000]  Anything else and I'm abusing the process.
[58:18.000 --> 58:20.000]  Does this make sense?
[58:20.000 --> 58:23.000]  Yes, it does make sense.
[58:23.000 --> 58:27.000]  And I'm not trying to downgrade what they're doing.
[58:27.000 --> 58:30.000]  I'll pick this up when we come back on the other side.
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[01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:41.000]  Randy Kelton, Steve Stidmore with our radio and we're talking to Andrew in Pennsylvania.
[01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:50.000]  And, Randy, I don't mean to kind of land on the subject, but for me, this is a sensitive area.
[01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:58.000]  I have been called all over the country to help try to keep people out of jail from following these,
[01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:04.000]  what I consider to be patriot mythology ideologies.
[01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:12.000]  And especially this 1931 bankruptcy, there was a bankruptcy, I understand that.
[01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:25.000]  But as far as the legacy accounts and the infancy of filing liens against officials and bills of exchange,
[01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:30.000]  I was called to New York to try to keep a guy out of federal prison for bills of exchange.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:44.000]  I had two people call me, Robert Fox had them call me while I was in North Carolina over filing liens under UCC.
[01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  And they followed all the procedures.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.000]  And they said that the feds were coming after them for mail fraud.
[01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:56.000]  And I said, well, what's the issue? Will we file some liens?
[01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:01.000]  Okay. Who did you file them against? Justice of the Peace?
[01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:06.000]  Well, what was the issue about? Traffic.
[01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:13.000]  Oh, okay. How much were the liens? Eleven trillion.
[01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:19.000]  I said, what were you thinking?
[01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:25.000]  Did you really think these guys would lay down and roll over for you?
[01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:30.000]  And they asked, well, what do you think will happen? I said, oh, you'll win.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.000]  They said, we will win? Oh, yeah, you'll win.
[01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:37.000]  They'll never get a conviction on mail fraud on this issue.
[01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:42.000]  You will beat the time, but you will not beat the ride.
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:47.000]  I had just came from Asheville, North Carolina, and I talked to a guy there.
[01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.000]  And at the moment, I can't pull his name now. He was a 20-year broadcaster.
[01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  You'd know his name if I could think of it, but I'm getting old and I lose these things.
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:02.000]  And he had been charged. He had filed a bunch of these liens.
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:08.000]  And he had enough charges against him. He would have got 160 years in jail.
[01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:15.000]  He went to trial. They arrested him, locked him up, held him for a year, dieseled him all over the country.
[01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:22.000]  He went to trial. And they got this guy Clarkson out of Florida to testify for him.
[01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:28.000]  And the judge actually let Clarkson get on the stand and spend 45 minutes
[01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:32.000]  educating the jury about the commercial process.
[01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  The jury found him not guilty on all counts. And he was crowing around like a banny rooster.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:44.000]  And I asked him, when all this started, weren't you married? Oh, yeah, I was married.
[01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:49.000]  Well, how is that working for you? Well, my wife divorced me and took the kids.
[01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  Did you live here in Asheville? Oh, yeah, I had a three-bedroom, two-story house over here somewhere.
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:03.000]  Where are you living now? Oh, I've got a motor home over here in the trailer park.
[01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:09.000]  How long did you spend in jail? Oh, it's been over a year. You're in jail.
[01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:18.000]  And you think you won? Guys, we need to look around and look at the real world we live in.
[01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:26.000]  There are problems in it. And the one thing that we keep talking about on this show,
[01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  we keep saying that you will never win your case simply because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  To think so is naive. It is not that way now.
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:48.000]  It never has been that way since we've had laws and judges.
[01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:58.000]  You will only win your case if you have the politics on your side and all politics is local.
[01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:11.000]  A big problem I have with the paid food community is they tend to read the law the way they want to read the law.
[01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:26.000]  They hold unstated presuppositions and then seek law that has the appearance of supporting their unstated presuppositions.
[01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:37.000]  Then when they come to court and the other side brings law, if not ideas, they feel mistreated and betrayed.
[01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:43.000]  For the most part, it's because they don't understand the process.
[01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:49.000]  I have someone else that sent me an email on the break. I was hoping he would call in.
[01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:56.000]  I have someone who has dealt with one people's public trust.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:04.000]  A friend of his just went to prison for 12 years and dealing with him, I'm not sure exactly how.
[01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:14.000]  This sounds like what happens is people come up with these great ideas and these very sophisticated and convoluted explanations.
[01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:19.000]  Then when somebody tries to implement the ideas, they wind up getting in trouble.
[01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  Like Tim Turner, I really have a bone to pick with him, he's telling people how to do all these things.
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:38.000]  Then when they get in trouble, he says, oh, well, you forgot to dot this I exactly right and you didn't cross this T over here high enough.
[01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:46.000]  Always some excuse or some reason where they did some minor thing wrong and that's why the sky's falling down.
[01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:52.000]  I'm looking at this, that has nothing to do with it. You're dealing with a bunch of corrupt public officials.
[01:09:52.000 --> 01:10:02.000]  Steve and me and other folks on our show, we have suggested that people do lots of things.
[01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:08.000]  Never, ever has anybody gotten trouble doing what we suggest to do.
[01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:17.000]  Because what we suggest, we can always go to the code and here's where the code says you can do this.
[01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:23.000]  Now, I mean, I don't always like the code, but I have to deal with it.
[01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:40.000]  But frankly, in spite of all of the division I hear from the Patriot community, we have a very well structured corpus juris body of law.
[01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:49.000]  We have all the checks to the balance of injustice that we need. They're all in there.
[01:10:49.000 --> 01:11:00.000]  We don't have to go find some other new and innovative idea that we can bring in and use against these guys.
[01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:09.000]  I got it right here in the code. And if you listen to our show much, you'll see, well, we go after prosecutors and judges.
[01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:14.000]  Here in Texas, they hate me. They do not want to see me coming.
[01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:21.000]  I had a friend whose son worked for the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department. He got the grand jury detail.
[01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:31.000]  He came to Jim. Jim came to me and he said, David came to me and wanted to know what your picture's doing hanging up in the grand jury room with a note that says,
[01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:45.000]  we see this man called security. That's because I hammer on big time, but they've never come after me, but they did one time. And the ones who came after me there did it improperly.
[01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  And the judge was just forced to step down and he may wind up in prison yet.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:12:05.000]  But we follow code. Always. That's a mantra. If you can't show me the code to support what you're doing, I can't go there.
[01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:15.000]  And this thing about them being corporations. They hear a lot about the fact that all these courts are corporations.
[01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:33.000]  So what? They don't have anything to do with anything. The corporation that is the court buys the toilet paper for the courthouse, pays the clerks and other employees.
[01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  When that judge steps up behind that bench, he does not do that as a CEO for a corporation.
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  He does that in his constitutional capacity. And the fact that there's a corporation behind that has nothing to do with his constitutional capacity.
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  Does that make sense, Andrew?
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:03.000]  Yes, it does. And it is a sad state of affairs that even though the OPPD documents were never rebutted,
[01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:11.000]  it still doesn't make a difference because it's one of those who died and made them God kind of things, as Winston Trout says.
[01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  So I'm glad you cleared that up, but I guess I might as well let you move on to the next caller because we've got a lot of callers I heard.
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.000]  But if you want to come on my show, I'd love to have you because you're a fascinating individual.
[01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  That's Nature on Reality Radio on blogstalkradio.com.
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:31.000]  Send me another email. I get about 100 a day, so they get lost real quick.
[01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  And for the last week or so, a week and a half, my Internet's been down and I couldn't get email.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:44.000]  So it's really got bogged down. So it's better now. So if you'll see me one, I'll get it. I'll respond to it.
[01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:46.000]  All right. Thanks a lot.
[01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:54.000]  Okay. Thank you, Andrew. Okay. Now we're going to go to Chris in Pennsylvania. We've got a couple of Pennsylvanians tonight.
[01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.000]  Hello, Mr. Chris. It's been a while since we've heard from you.
[01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  Yes, sir. How are you?
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  I am good. I don't care what everybody says.
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:12.000]  You sound good, except for that little glitch in the audio there earlier.
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:16.000]  Yeah. My Internet has been pretty flaky here recently.
[01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  I accused them of selling more bandwidth than they had available, and their tech essentially admitted that's exactly what they did.
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:31.000]  The naked short sell on the Internet.
[01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.000]  Okay. What do you have for us, Chris?
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:45.000]  I had a question. When we last spoke, we were in the middle of looking at opening up a bankruptcy to try to bring the bank forward with this.
[01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  My last attorney, who I had in this attempt to get a modification, was charging us an arm and a leg.
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:03.000]  I've come across a couple of things, and I just wanted to hear your input on it, but I keep hearing this,
[01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:08.000]  no one can charge you to attempt to get a modification for you until you actually get a modification.
[01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:13.000]  Is there any statute to that?
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:19.000]  Wait a minute. No one can charge you? I'm not sure what that meant.
[01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.000]  An application fee?
[01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  Oh, okay. Now I understand. If you have a company that tries to help you get a modification, that's right.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.000]  They can't charge you, but that does not necessarily apply to a lawyer.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.000]  Not to a lawyer. Okay.
[01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:49.000]  Because those lawyers are the ones that got these laws put in to stop guys like us from really helping people.
[01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.000]  Right.
[01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:56.000]  And the lawyer's in there to see how much money he can get out of you.
[01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  Right.
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.000]  Has your lawyer achieved remedy for you?
[01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  He has not. He's not even close, and he even tells me there's no remedy to this scenario.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:13.000]  We just keep battling the bank. It's the paperwork issue that is killing with the bank.
[01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.000]  Why are you paying the lawyer?
[01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  We're not. I've been on Jurisdictionary. I'm in the middle of creating a business,
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  so I'm limited on my time that I can get on the internet and look this up.
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:35.000]  We're looking at taking this to—we were going to open up the bankruptcy case because we've had a securitization audit that shows
[01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  there's no way the bank could actually own this because of the trust and—
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  Okay. Hang on.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.000]  Yeah, that brings the question up for the other side.
[01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:48.000]  Yeah. We will talk about this when we come back on the other side.
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:52.000]  We have some suggestions of some other remedies that might get you there.
[01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:58.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Douglas Stevens, Steve Skimmore. We'll be right back.
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[01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:36.000]  Well, you ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.000]  I was blinded by it.
[01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.000]  I was blinded by it.
[01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  You put fear in my blood.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.000]  You put fear in my blood.
[01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.000]  You put fear in my blood.
[01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.000]  You put fear in my blood.
[01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.000]  You put fear in my blood.
[01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:56.000]  Yeah, it's an amazing way of getting around these things and winning a case is not so
[01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:01.000]  much about the law as it is about the politics.
[01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.000]  Yeah.
[01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:08.000]  So what we've been looking at are other avenues to address these issues.
[01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:19.000]  Have you filed a petition for declaratory judgment to get the ruling from a State
[01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:24.640]  court that a document filed with the county recorder with, I guess it would be the
[01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:32.640]  presonatory in Pennsylvania, that the document is void on its face.
[01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:33.640]  Okay.
[01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.640]  What did you file?
[01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:38.400]  We have not filed.
[01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:43.960]  If you, what we have here is we have a
[01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:50.760]  conciliatory meeting that they put us into when you're in foreclosure, it's an attempt
[01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:57.360]  to keep you out of, to work something through with the bank and to stay on the foreclosure
[01:20:57.360 --> 01:20:59.400]  while you're in this.
[01:20:59.400 --> 01:21:04.560]  And we've been in this for a year trying to get to work with the bank and the problem
[01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:09.960]  we keep running into is the bank keeps telling us of these paperwork issues.
[01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:17.480]  We submit them all legally, they'll come back with the stupidest things like the document
[01:21:17.480 --> 01:21:22.680]  was too light, we couldn't read it, you have to submit the whole package.
[01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.440]  That's typical, that's typical.
[01:21:25.440 --> 01:21:29.920]  Let me tell you what they're doing.
[01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:34.800]  They're not telling you, you need to send me this page of this document, are they?
[01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:38.560]  They're telling you to send the whole package again, right?
[01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:39.560]  Majority of the time, yes.
[01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:45.160]  Every once in a while, it's been one document, but we end up, you know, that document-
[01:21:45.160 --> 01:21:48.160]  Here's what they're doing.
[01:21:48.160 --> 01:21:54.680]  Okay, each time you send the document package, they file with the Obama administration and
[01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:58.160]  application for modification, they get two or three thousand dollars.
[01:21:58.160 --> 01:22:00.160]  Yes, we've talked about that.
[01:22:00.160 --> 01:22:04.240]  Yeah, then they have you send it again and you do the same thing again.
[01:22:04.240 --> 01:22:14.000]  You might petition for discovery of amounts billed to the Obama administration for offering
[01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:23.520]  you this modification and show that the bank is deliberately delaying the mediation process
[01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:27.640]  in order to defraud the federal government.
[01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:31.840]  I'm talking about something else, this is something you can do while all of this is
[01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:38.920]  going on, is do you have MERS included in your-
[01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:39.920]  I do.
[01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:40.920]  Security instrument.
[01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:44.720]  Yes, if any may MERS loan.
[01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:51.480]  Okay, is Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is a mortgage state, right?
[01:22:51.480 --> 01:22:52.480]  Correct.
[01:22:52.480 --> 01:22:53.480]  Okay.
[01:22:53.480 --> 01:22:56.000]  Look at the document.
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:03.720]  I've got a whole stack of arguments concerning the document, in the document, MERS is named
[01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:04.720]  as nominee.
[01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:06.520]  What does that mean?
[01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:11.000]  What does that mean in the context of that document?
[01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.640]  They're just nominated to do whatever.
[01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:20.640]  Specifically, specifically what does nominee mean?
[01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:21.640]  Nobody knows.
[01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:33.080]  Now, where you find MERS in the original part of the document is in the definition section.
[01:23:33.080 --> 01:23:36.960]  They define MERS as a nominee.
[01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:46.400]  Now, you ask me for the definition of a word, I have to be able to define the words that
[01:23:46.400 --> 01:23:48.280]  I use to define something.
[01:23:48.280 --> 01:23:56.320]  So they're defining MERS and they're using terms to define MERS, but one of them doesn't
[01:23:56.320 --> 01:23:58.320]  have a meaning.
[01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:09.240]  The reason it doesn't have a meaning is if you look up nominee in Webster's or Black's,
[01:24:09.240 --> 01:24:16.780]  legal dictionary or common dictionary, it has a consistent meaning.
[01:24:16.780 --> 01:24:19.860]  Someone who's nominated for some position.
[01:24:19.860 --> 01:24:24.600]  If you look up agent, they have a different meaning.
[01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:35.800]  None of the meanings that we find in the dictionary for nominee fit the application in this contract.
[01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:37.880]  So we don't know what it means.
[01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:49.440]  And here's the problem, you are an unsophisticated consumer by statute because you're purchasing
[01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:55.640]  the property for the purpose of consuming the property by living inside it.
[01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:59.560]  You did not create this document.
[01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:04.200]  The lender created the document and brought it to you.
[01:25:04.200 --> 01:25:12.720]  Does the document have a footer that says Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Uniform Instrument?
[01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:14.960]  Correct.
[01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:19.360]  Does it say with MERS?
[01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:25.120]  It doesn't say that in the footer, it says it in the initials.
[01:25:25.120 --> 01:25:34.120]  If it says Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Uniform Instrument, and it has a number, and it does
[01:25:34.120 --> 01:25:43.240]  not say Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Uniform Instrument with MERS, then that document is not a Fannie
[01:25:43.240 --> 01:25:50.040]  Mae Freddie Mac Uniform Instrument.
[01:25:50.040 --> 01:25:57.240]  If you go to Fannie Mae Freddie Mac's website, you just do a search for Fannie Mae Freddie
[01:25:57.240 --> 01:26:01.680]  Mac Uniform Mortgage Instruments, you can get on the site.
[01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:10.720]  You download a copy of their uniform instrument and then compare it to this instrument.
[01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:16.240]  This instrument has material changes to it.
[01:26:16.240 --> 01:26:19.680]  It is not a uniform instrument.
[01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:27.800]  But when the lender came to the table, the lender presented you with this contract.
[01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:32.880]  And the contract stated in its footer that it was a uniform instrument and it was no
[01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:36.320]  such thing.
[01:26:36.320 --> 01:26:44.320]  The inclusion of MERS was a material change that does not exist in the Fannie Mae Freddie
[01:26:44.320 --> 01:26:46.200]  Mac Uniform Instrument.
[01:26:46.200 --> 01:26:49.400]  That's fraud.
[01:26:49.400 --> 01:27:03.200]  And because you don't know what nominee means and what does it mean that you granted legal
[01:27:03.200 --> 01:27:06.160]  title to MERS.
[01:27:06.160 --> 01:27:17.880]  Now, the lender is the one that would normally in a mortgage hold legal title.
[01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:23.840]  But in this document, you granted legal title to MERS and we maintain you don't have power
[01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.840]  to do that.
[01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:33.320]  The lender can because the lender holds legal title, but you can't.
[01:27:33.320 --> 01:27:40.200]  Let's say you have Covenant 20.
[01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:46.480]  Well Covenant 20 says that you authorize the lender to sell a portion of the note or the
[01:27:46.480 --> 01:27:50.080]  entire note together with the security instrument.
[01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:55.360]  What does that mean?
[01:27:55.360 --> 01:27:59.640]  He can sell a portion of the note or the entire note.
[01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:04.200]  If Joe was on tonight, he would tell you that's a legal impossibility.
[01:28:04.200 --> 01:28:05.200]  Absolutely.
[01:28:05.200 --> 01:28:12.240]  You've got if what they're doing is they're separating an element from the note, okay.
[01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:19.760]  Now you excuse me, you grant them by Covenant 20 permission to break the law in essence
[01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:27.040]  because Covenant 20 is repugnant to the Uniform Commercial Code in where it states that if
[01:28:27.040 --> 01:28:33.040]  the transfer or purports to transfer less than the entire instrument, negotiation does
[01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:34.400]  not occur.
[01:28:34.400 --> 01:28:41.480]  And that's what the deed of trust is alluding to Covenant 20.
[01:28:41.480 --> 01:28:52.120]  The point here is the deed of trust is so inartfully crafted that it is too ambiguous
[01:28:52.120 --> 01:28:58.600]  to be enforceable as to an unsophisticated consumer.
[01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:09.560]  In as much as the lender crafted the document, all errors in the document are attributed
[01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:13.440]  to the creator of the document.
[01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:21.040]  So you go to the court and say they created this document, they brought it to closing.
[01:29:21.040 --> 01:29:27.200]  There was no negotiation between them and me in the creation of the document.
[01:29:27.200 --> 01:29:34.120]  They brought it and presented it for authentication, for affirmation.
[01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:39.560]  And I affirmed the document the way it was, but I was a unsophisticated consumer.
[01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:45.560]  It's not expected that I'd understand all of this sophisticated legal terminology and
[01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:50.680]  it should not be expected that I would have enough legal knowledge to know that this was
[01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:51.680]  garbage.
[01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:52.680]  Hang on, I'm running out of time.
[01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:53.680]  I'll be right back.
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[01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:41.640]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton through Skidmore with our radio and talking to Chris in Pennsylvania.
[01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:50.400]  I could probably spend half the night going through all of the problems with the security
[01:33:50.400 --> 01:33:51.400]  instrument.
[01:33:51.400 --> 01:33:59.800]  From here, I would go into all of the covenants that they violated, the covenants concerning
[01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:05.920]  the fees that can be charged, the notices that are requirement, the severability clause,
[01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:08.920]  and Covenant 20 primarily.
[01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:14.320]  They breach any one of those covenants, then they defaulted on the deed of trust.
[01:34:14.320 --> 01:34:21.920]  So you can go to the court and show that the document is insufficient on its face because
[01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:29.960]  it is too ambiguous to be enforceable, that it has covenants that have the effect of violating
[01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:38.240]  standing law, that the lender failed to provide the statutory notices as required by Hope
[01:34:38.240 --> 01:34:44.560]  Attila-Respah, whatever, you don't make your claim under Hope Attila-Respah, you make your
[01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:53.160]  claim under breach of contract, and ask the court to rule that this document is insufficient
[01:34:53.160 --> 01:35:00.400]  as filed, and the lender in order to support a claim would have to file a document that
[01:35:00.400 --> 01:35:03.000]  would meet the statutory filing requirements.
[01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:10.480]  Now that don't sound too obnoxious, and you might say, you know, they didn't file it right.
[01:35:10.480 --> 01:35:14.880]  Look at 15 USC 7001.
[01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:21.480]  Go down to the clerk and find out how the clerk does e-filing, and do they allow e-filing
[01:35:21.480 --> 01:35:33.080]  on these kinds of documents, because 7003 forbids the e-filing of documents controlled
[01:35:33.080 --> 01:35:35.560]  by uniform commercial code.
[01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:45.920]  So if the clerk is, like they are in Texas, is e-filing foreclosure documents, then the
[01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:52.960]  documents are not in proper form, because the clerk was sent copies of the document
[01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:55.400]  and not the original ones.
[01:35:55.400 --> 01:36:00.400]  So the document presented to the clerk for filing was not in proper form, therefore it
[01:36:00.400 --> 01:36:03.240]  does not meet the statutory filing requirements.
[01:36:03.240 --> 01:36:11.000]  Okay, all you got to do is get the original, send it to the clerk, have her scan it, and
[01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:15.720]  then it's fixed, right?
[01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:16.720]  Not.
[01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:17.720]  No.
[01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:23.120]  It's not fixed, because as soon as you get that ruling from the judge, you drop your
[01:36:23.120 --> 01:36:28.640]  own deed of trust in there, and they can go fix their deed of trust and refile it and
[01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:37.560]  claim that it's okay, and you say, okay, no problem, but you can't get past my claim that's
[01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:38.560]  in there.
[01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:46.840]  We've got a way to file a claim in the record, a claim against title, so that when they come
[01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:52.080]  back and refile their deed of trust and try to do it correctly, they got one in front
[01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:53.080]  of them.
[01:36:53.080 --> 01:37:01.920]  First in time is first in line, so you're suggesting that they can't foreclose, go ahead.
[01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:05.320]  You're suggesting a quiet title be filed?
[01:37:05.320 --> 01:37:06.320]  No.
[01:37:06.320 --> 01:37:09.240]  No, not quiet title.
[01:37:09.240 --> 01:37:13.880]  Quiet title is more divisive.
[01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:17.400]  You're not saying these people don't have a claim.
[01:37:17.400 --> 01:37:23.120]  You're not even saying that they don't have a claim against the property.
[01:37:23.120 --> 01:37:28.720]  You're just saying that this particular document, the one that's filed here in this record is
[01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:36.120]  filed at this time on this day, wasn't filed properly, or there are problems with it that
[01:37:36.120 --> 01:37:38.280]  don't meet the statutory requirements.
[01:37:38.280 --> 01:37:39.880]  You're not asking them to quiet title.
[01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:46.080]  You're just asking them to correct a filing in the public record.
[01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:51.040]  And while they're doing that, then I file for title of mortgage, or is that what you're
[01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:52.040]  saying?
[01:37:52.040 --> 01:37:56.960]  No, you're sitting there with another deed of trust that you've granted to somebody else
[01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:58.960]  in your back pocket.
[01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:03.480]  Don't tell the judge you got it, because he's going to feel like you're trying to outsmart
[01:38:03.480 --> 01:38:04.480]  the bank.
[01:38:04.480 --> 01:38:05.480]  Okay.
[01:38:05.480 --> 01:38:08.400]  You just ask him to correct the record.
[01:38:08.400 --> 01:38:09.400]  That's all you...
[01:38:09.400 --> 01:38:10.400]  No money.
[01:38:10.400 --> 01:38:11.400]  Do not ask.
[01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:17.520]  Don't ask for any damages, and do not allow the judge to file any damages.
[01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.800]  If he puts anything in there that goes to damages, you raise an objection and ask him
[01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:24.220]  to get that the heck out of there.
[01:38:24.220 --> 01:38:28.080]  You didn't ask for damages, and he has no power to grant them.
[01:38:28.080 --> 01:38:34.360]  Yeah, it's no longer a declaratory.
[01:38:34.360 --> 01:38:39.800]  The judge will do that to screw you, because then the court of appeals will toss it.
[01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:46.160]  So all you want is a declaration that the document is insufficient on its face and has
[01:38:46.160 --> 01:38:51.560]  to be refiled correctly in order simply to correct the public record.
[01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:59.320]  But as soon as that judge gives you that ruling, you hustle over to the prothonotary and drop
[01:38:59.320 --> 01:39:02.480]  in your deed of trust.
[01:39:02.480 --> 01:39:04.880]  Gotcha.
[01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:10.440]  If you don't get it on the mortgage, I'm sorry, I said deed of trust, I meant mortgage.
[01:39:10.440 --> 01:39:15.040]  If you don't get it on the mortgage, then you go to an assignment or an appointment
[01:39:15.040 --> 01:39:16.040]  of service to a trustee.
[01:39:16.040 --> 01:39:17.880]  You can attack those documents.
[01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:25.080]  You get any one of those tossed, then the foreclosure is void of its face.
[01:39:25.080 --> 01:39:26.080]  Okay.
[01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:31.040]  This is a sneak up behind them technique.
[01:39:31.040 --> 01:39:33.400]  Okay.
[01:39:33.400 --> 01:39:40.440]  And you can tie this down and focus it to just tiny little issues.
[01:39:40.440 --> 01:39:46.120]  If anybody tries to bring up a foreclosure issue you object, nothing of that nature is
[01:39:46.120 --> 01:39:47.800]  before the court.
[01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:56.800]  The only thing before the court is the infancy of this particular document.
[01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:02.920]  This document at the time of filing meet the statutory filing requirements or at some time
[01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:07.400]  after the filing of this document was this document defaulted on.
[01:40:07.400 --> 01:40:14.560]  If they violated any of the covenants, you file a notice of default in the record.
[01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:15.560]  That's what they do.
[01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:16.560]  Right.
[01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:20.000]  They've only got one statute or two statutes you can default on.
[01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:22.800]  They've got a whole bunch of them they can default on.
[01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:26.520]  Right, because they created the document.
[01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:27.520]  Yeah.
[01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:40.560]  And whether they have more restrictions on them, they filed all the fees at closing.
[01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:47.200]  They did or did not give you all the proper notices when they changed beneficial interest
[01:40:47.200 --> 01:40:48.200]  in the note.
[01:40:48.200 --> 01:40:52.800]  They were required to give you notice under the real estate settlement procedures act.
[01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:57.040]  If you can show they didn't give you that notice, they defaulted on the mortgage.
[01:40:57.040 --> 01:41:04.760]  The mortgage grants a privilege to the lender with restrictions.
[01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:10.720]  If he breaches a restriction, he cannot exercise the privilege.
[01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:12.720]  Okay.
[01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:19.400]  So look at that, read that document three or four times and you'll be surprised what
[01:41:19.400 --> 01:41:21.440]  you find in there.
[01:41:21.440 --> 01:41:24.400]  According to the language, they drafted it.
[01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:25.920]  They did not create it.
[01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:28.840]  You created it with your signature.
[01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:30.200]  Right.
[01:41:30.200 --> 01:41:40.960]  But you acted in good faith and exercised due diligence in that you only dealt with
[01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:49.960]  licensed professionals with whom you had a right to a reasonable expectation of good
[01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:51.960]  faith and fair dealing.
[01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:54.920]  And you came to the table with clean hands.
[01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.720]  And you came to the table with clean hands.
[01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:58.720]  Exactly.
[01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:02.160]  Considering I just used the restroom.
[01:42:02.160 --> 01:42:05.760]  Well, I didn't mean it in a literal sense.
[01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.240]  I meant it in a legal sense.
[01:42:07.240 --> 01:42:09.000]  Sorry, it was just a little...
[01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:10.000]  Well, did you...
[01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  I understand.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:12.000]  I understand.
[01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:13.000]  Okay.
[01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:14.000]  Wait a minute.
[01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:15.000]  Were you a Marine?
[01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:16.000]  Yes.
[01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:19.000]  They urinate on their fingers.
[01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:20.000]  Okay.
[01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:24.120]  Enough of our crappy humor.
[01:42:24.120 --> 01:42:30.600]  But yeah, essentially, you came to necessarily to the table with clean hands because you
[01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:34.400]  were the unsophisticated consumer.
[01:42:34.400 --> 01:42:41.120]  That's why the argument for the wording of the document is a good argument because you
[01:42:41.120 --> 01:42:47.680]  couldn't be expected to decipher the convoluted wording.
[01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:52.760]  How were you supposed to know that they used an undefined term in the definition section?
[01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:53.760]  Right.
[01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:58.160]  It was written in legalese.
[01:42:58.160 --> 01:43:05.880]  My dictionary tells me that legalese is a language of legal documents and et cetera,
[01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:12.720]  often thought of as abstruse and incomprehensible to the layman.
[01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:13.720]  That was the...
[01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.760]  That's the point of the consumer protection laws.
[01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:17.760]  Right.
[01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:24.520]  That's the point of your statutory designation as an unsophisticated consumer.
[01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:25.520]  Right.
[01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:33.040]  It's an unreasonable expectation to expect you to be able to decipher these documents.
[01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:39.920]  So those individuals that prepare and present these documents are licensed by the state
[01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.520]  and subject to restrictions which they breached.
[01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.520]  Okay.
[01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:46.520]  Hang on.
[01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:47.520]  Let me finish this up.
[01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:48.520]  We've got a number of callers.
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[01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:54.960]  Okay, we are back, Randy Plotkin, David Stevens, Steve Skidmore, Rule of Law Radio, and talking
[01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:56.920]  to Chris in Pennsylvania.
[01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:04.120]  Chris, there was one question I had, and that concerned your bankruptcy.
[01:47:04.120 --> 01:47:07.120]  Did you file a seven or a 13?
[01:47:07.120 --> 01:47:10.120]  A seven, I believe, yeah, seven.
[01:47:10.120 --> 01:47:11.120]  Yes, I'm sorry.
[01:47:11.120 --> 01:47:12.120]  Good.
[01:47:12.120 --> 01:47:13.120]  Good.
[01:47:13.120 --> 01:47:15.400]  Did you claim the property as unsecured?
[01:47:15.400 --> 01:47:25.360]  No, we did not, because at the time, it was actually my wife who did it, it was my wife's
[01:47:25.360 --> 01:47:27.160]  house she built, it was under her name.
[01:47:27.160 --> 01:47:34.840]  So she claimed bankruptcy and didn't claim the house, because the attorney at that time
[01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:38.360]  thought the house was secured debt.
[01:47:38.360 --> 01:47:45.080]  So either reopen the bankruptcy and claim the house as unsecured.
[01:47:45.080 --> 01:47:49.280]  On schedule F, as in Frank.
[01:47:49.280 --> 01:47:55.280]  Or sue the lawyer for the value of the house, for malpractice.
[01:47:55.280 --> 01:47:56.280]  Okay.
[01:47:56.280 --> 01:48:03.400]  Well, the interesting part about that is we've gone back to reopen the case with the attorney
[01:48:03.400 --> 01:48:10.440]  who filed the bankruptcy, and she has just two days ago sent us the paperwork back and
[01:48:10.440 --> 01:48:17.680]  said she cannot take the case because she doesn't believe she can handle the bank deliberating
[01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:18.680]  the case.
[01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:21.680]  Sue her for malpractice.
[01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:31.320]  She took your money, did the bankruptcy, she was incompetent, sue her for malpractice.
[01:48:31.320 --> 01:48:33.000]  Okay.
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:37.160]  Which leads to my question, which was...
[01:48:37.160 --> 01:48:44.760]  They don't mind emptying your pockets based on their supposed position as learning counsel.
[01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:50.920]  If she doesn't know what she's doing, she can't handle her business, then you should
[01:48:50.920 --> 01:48:54.640]  not suffer as a result.
[01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:57.240]  She has malpractice insurance for that purpose.
[01:48:57.240 --> 01:49:00.160]  That's right.
[01:49:00.160 --> 01:49:07.640]  Just open it yourself and send me an email, I'll get you in touch with David, he'll explain
[01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:11.480]  to you how to set up the paperwork.
[01:49:11.480 --> 01:49:12.480]  Okay.
[01:49:12.480 --> 01:49:17.480]  I'll send you an email address, I'll send you an email and get that back to me.
[01:49:17.480 --> 01:49:24.480]  That was my next question was to figure out how I could do this pro se, even though I'm
[01:49:24.480 --> 01:49:31.160]  on Jurisdictionary and I read as much as I can a night, but I don't think much of that
[01:49:31.160 --> 01:49:34.760]  is going to prepare me for what that entails.
[01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:35.760]  Okay.
[01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:38.040]  This is not complex.
[01:49:38.040 --> 01:49:45.920]  We had someone go into a bankruptcy court in Fort Worth and we had tutored her on what
[01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:47.080]  to do.
[01:49:47.080 --> 01:49:53.320]  The bank came in and said, Your Honor, we have a claim against these properties and
[01:49:53.320 --> 01:49:54.320]  they're blah, blah, blah.
[01:49:54.320 --> 01:49:59.560]  They get a stack of documents and the client said, Your Honor, these lawyers have a bunch
[01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.520]  of documents there they're referring to.
[01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.120]  Can I see those?
[01:50:03.120 --> 01:50:06.440]  The judge said, Counselor, show them to her, so they show them to her.
[01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:10.040]  She looks at them, she said, Your Honor, I've never seen these before, I don't know what
[01:50:10.040 --> 01:50:11.040]  this is.
[01:50:11.040 --> 01:50:19.280]  She said, these are copies of all of her closing documents, the judge said, well, isn't that
[01:50:19.280 --> 01:50:20.280]  your signature?
[01:50:20.280 --> 01:50:22.200]  No, Your Honor, I did not sign this document.
[01:50:22.200 --> 01:50:26.880]  I've never seen this document before and she hadn't.
[01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:29.000]  It was a photocopy of a document.
[01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:35.560]  It may or may not have been an accurate copy of one that she actually filed, but she didn't
[01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:39.920]  file this one and she had never seen this one before.
[01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:45.480]  She said the judge ground on her for about 10 minutes and she wouldn't back up.
[01:50:45.480 --> 01:50:51.400]  She said the judge finally sat back and smiled and turned to the lawyers on the other side
[01:50:51.400 --> 01:50:58.920]  and said, well, Counselors, it appears that she has never seen these documents before.
[01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:05.840]  You're going to have to bring in the original documents that she actually signed.
[01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:14.840]  And what I got from that was she actually gave the judge what he needed so he could
[01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:19.720]  give her the ruling that she wanted.
[01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:26.920]  And the banks did not show up with proof of claim because they could not prove their claim.
[01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:35.000]  It doesn't matter if they have a valid claim, if they can't come into that bankruptcy court
[01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:38.440]  and prove their valid claim, they don't have one.
[01:51:38.440 --> 01:51:39.440]  Right.
[01:51:39.440 --> 01:51:44.640]  This is a perfect way to put the bank on the time.
[01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:53.040]  And if in the meantime, you have gotten the security instrument trashed, the bank is hosed.
[01:51:53.040 --> 01:51:54.040]  Yes.
[01:51:54.040 --> 01:51:55.040]  Okay.
[01:51:55.040 --> 01:51:57.600]  Send me an email.
[01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:01.720]  I'll get you to David and David will show you how to do that.
[01:52:01.720 --> 01:52:02.720]  Sounds good.
[01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:03.720]  Thank you.
[01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:04.720]  Okay.
[01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:05.720]  Yes.
[01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:06.720]  Okay.
[01:52:06.720 --> 01:52:11.120]  Now we're going to go to Harvey in California.
[01:52:11.120 --> 01:52:12.120]  Hello, Harvey.
[01:52:12.120 --> 01:52:14.120]  What do you have for us today?
[01:52:14.120 --> 01:52:15.120]  Yes.
[01:52:15.120 --> 01:52:16.120]  Hi.
[01:52:16.120 --> 01:52:20.880]  I have a situation with Wells Fargo Bank.
[01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:30.180]  What they did was they sent me a notice of trustee sale.
[01:52:30.180 --> 01:52:39.560]  And then I talked to them and they agreed, I guess they agreed to giving me a short sale
[01:52:39.560 --> 01:52:44.640]  because they sent me a letter confirming my request for the short sale, but they ended
[01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:47.480]  up selling the house the next day.
[01:52:47.480 --> 01:52:53.080]  And now they're sending me a notice of filing of a-
[01:52:53.080 --> 01:52:54.080]  Wait a minute.
[01:52:54.080 --> 01:52:55.080]  Wait a minute.
[01:52:55.080 --> 01:52:56.080]  A trust deal.
[01:52:56.080 --> 01:52:57.080]  That doesn't make sense.
[01:52:57.080 --> 01:53:00.640]  A notice of a trustee sale.
[01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:02.680]  Oh, okay.
[01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:03.680]  Yes.
[01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:06.880]  And then they sold it the next day.
[01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:07.880]  Okay.
[01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:08.880]  Okay.
[01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:12.120]  Do you have a- what is the question?
[01:53:12.120 --> 01:53:13.680]  That's kind of standard procedure.
[01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:14.680]  Okay.
[01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:19.680]  I'm trying to see what can I do to get my property back.
[01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:21.800]  What was the sale date?
[01:53:21.800 --> 01:53:28.960]  The sale date was November the 14th of this year.
[01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:34.000]  And they said they asked for the service.
[01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:37.440]  Has anybody else moved into the house?
[01:53:37.440 --> 01:53:38.440]  No.
[01:53:38.440 --> 01:53:39.440]  Okay.
[01:53:39.440 --> 01:53:43.280]  I still have possession of the house.
[01:53:43.280 --> 01:53:45.040]  Oh, you have possession.
[01:53:45.040 --> 01:53:46.040]  Okay.
[01:53:46.040 --> 01:53:47.600]  That's different.
[01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:52.040]  Have they filed for a unlawful detainer hearing?
[01:53:52.040 --> 01:53:53.040]  Yes.
[01:53:53.040 --> 01:54:00.480]  And that's February the 7th of next year.
[01:54:00.480 --> 01:54:01.960]  Okay.
[01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:07.600]  This is much too complex for us to go through all of it here on the air.
[01:54:07.600 --> 01:54:11.880]  But if you'll send me an email, there is a lot you can do.
[01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:20.400]  And the first thing that I would need to be able to give you an idea of what you can do
[01:54:20.400 --> 01:54:25.120]  is I would need all of the documents that have been filed with the county recorder's
[01:54:25.120 --> 01:54:26.120]  office.
[01:54:26.120 --> 01:54:27.120]  Okay.
[01:54:27.120 --> 01:54:31.160]  That'll be the county clerk's office.
[01:54:31.160 --> 01:54:36.800]  And you're in California, I think they will call them the registrar of deeds.
[01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:37.800]  Okay.
[01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:49.440]  For anyone to make a claim against your property, they must have a claim properly filed with
[01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:51.600]  the county recorder.
[01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:55.920]  So the first place we want to go is to the county recorder's office.
[01:54:55.920 --> 01:55:02.360]  And I don't know how much you know about the mortgage industry for the last 15 years or
[01:55:02.360 --> 01:55:09.520]  so, but they have made a horrible mess of things.
[01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:19.440]  They come up with a great idea of matching long-term debt to long-term investment, residential
[01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:22.400]  mortgages to investment funds.
[01:55:22.400 --> 01:55:35.920]  So they took these, they sold the beneficial interest in the note into an investment pool
[01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:43.520]  and then sold percentages of that pool to retirement funds.
[01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:46.200]  Looked like the perfect match.
[01:55:46.200 --> 01:55:53.640]  The note was round whole square peg, it did not fit because residential mortgages had
[01:55:53.640 --> 01:55:58.160]  reporting requirements that did not exist for other types of securities.
[01:55:58.160 --> 01:56:05.600]  And the banks did all sorts of song and dance to doubt your pants, tried to get around those
[01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:11.160]  reporting requirements and wound up screwing themselves big time.
[01:56:11.160 --> 01:56:18.680]  Like I just told Chris, it doesn't matter if they have a valid claim against your property.
[01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:26.120]  If they can't prove they have a valid claim against their property, they're toast.
[01:56:26.120 --> 01:56:34.840]  And the only way that they can prove that they have a valid and enforceable claim is
[01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:39.080]  by the documentation filed in the county recorder.
[01:56:39.080 --> 01:56:42.080]  So that's the first place you want to go.
[01:56:42.080 --> 01:56:43.080]  Okay.
[01:56:43.080 --> 01:56:47.760]  And also, I did speak with a...
[01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:53.520]  And I'm a thanks to him, the document on, he sent me a list that he needs.
[01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:54.520]  Hello?
[01:56:54.520 --> 01:57:00.920]  Wait a minute, I'm having trouble understanding you.
[01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:06.360]  And you have a child in the background that I can tell by the tone of her voice that she
[01:57:06.360 --> 01:57:11.080]  has been deprived of chocolate.
[01:57:11.080 --> 01:57:12.080]  Deprived of what?
[01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:13.080]  Chocolate.
[01:57:13.080 --> 01:57:14.080]  Chocolate.
[01:57:14.080 --> 01:57:15.080]  I'm a grandpa.
[01:57:15.080 --> 01:57:16.080]  Yeah, chocolate.
[01:57:16.080 --> 01:57:17.080]  I'm a grandpa.
[01:57:17.080 --> 01:57:25.720]  I can tell when kids don't have enough chocolate.
[01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:29.120]  And they never have enough chocolate.
[01:57:29.120 --> 01:57:30.640]  Get that baby some chocolate.
[01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:33.480]  She doesn't say I'm wound up near enough.
[01:57:33.480 --> 01:57:34.480]  Okay.
[01:57:34.480 --> 01:57:40.760]  Did you say you've already talked to us about documentation?
[01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:41.760]  Yes.
[01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:42.760]  Yeah.
[01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:45.760]  This is David Lewis, right?
[01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:46.760]  Yes.
[01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:47.760]  Exactly.
[01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:48.760]  Exactly.
[01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:49.760]  Okay.
[01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:50.760]  Then I haven't...
[01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:53.640]  I don't recognize Harvey.
[01:57:53.640 --> 01:57:55.880]  So I may have looked at your documents.
[01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:02.160]  Well, I haven't actually sent you the paperwork, but I'll be sending you the documents Monday
[01:58:02.160 --> 01:58:03.160]  morning.
[01:58:03.160 --> 01:58:04.160]  Okay.
[01:58:04.160 --> 01:58:05.160]  Good.
[01:58:05.160 --> 01:58:06.160]  Let me have a look at them.
[01:58:06.160 --> 01:58:08.160]  And then there's a lot we can do.
[01:58:08.160 --> 01:58:11.600]  We need to do this quickly because we want to stop the hearing.
[01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:18.160]  We need a file that will put off the unlawful detainer hearing.
[01:58:18.160 --> 01:58:19.160]  Okay.
[01:58:19.160 --> 01:58:20.160]  And that we can do.
[01:58:20.160 --> 01:58:23.160]  We keep these guys in court until they get old.
[01:58:23.160 --> 01:58:24.160]  Oh, okay.
[01:58:24.160 --> 01:58:27.160]  Yeah, that's what I want to do.
[01:58:27.160 --> 01:58:28.160]  Of course.
[01:58:28.160 --> 01:58:29.160]  Okay.
[01:58:29.160 --> 01:58:30.160]  We're about to go to break.
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