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[00:50.000 --> 00:55.000]  A law enforcement-sensitive force protection alert has been issued by the Texas military
[00:55.000 --> 01:00.000]  forces, citing the possibility of random terrorist attacks taking place in Austin, Texas, on
[01:00.000 --> 01:02.000]  or about August 8th through the 9th.
[01:02.000 --> 01:07.000]  The leaked report goes on to say, the Austin group plans to plant backpack-style bombs
[01:07.000 --> 01:12.000]  on 6th Street on either August 8th or 9th, and the group plans to attack a school and
[01:12.000 --> 01:17.000]  theological seminary in the downtown Austin area and complete the attack with operations
[01:17.000 --> 01:19.000]  at the Austin-Bergstrom International Airport.
[01:19.000 --> 01:24.000]  The threat assessment coincides with planned homeland security drills set to be taking
[01:24.000 --> 01:26.000]  place in Austin throughout the month of August.
[01:26.000 --> 01:31.000]  KXN reported on Wednesday that multiple law enforcement agencies will be taking part in
[01:31.000 --> 01:35.000]  homeland security exercises in Austin over the next few weeks.
[01:35.000 --> 01:39.000]  Austin residents are reporting the sighting of military helicopters flying low over rooftops.
[01:39.000 --> 01:44.000]  It remains to be seen whether the terror alert is related to the homeland security drills.
[01:44.000 --> 01:48.000]  The Liberty Beat is awaiting response to an open records request put into the Austin
[01:48.000 --> 01:50.000]  Police Department regarding the drills.
[01:50.000 --> 01:54.000]  Austinites are curious as to why the public was not alerted to the details regarding the
[01:54.000 --> 01:59.000]  alleged terror threat, which is described as random, yet includes many details on potential
[01:59.000 --> 02:00.000]  targets.
[02:00.000 --> 02:04.000]  The Austin American statesman ran a story stating there existed a threat downtown, but
[02:04.000 --> 02:06.000]  did not divulge any details.
[02:06.000 --> 02:09.000]  Austinites are encouraged to remain vigilant and keep an eye out for terrorist activity
[02:09.000 --> 02:13.000]  stemming from private terrorist groups or government terrorists.
[02:13.000 --> 02:16.000]  We'll keep you in the loop as this story unfolds.
[02:16.000 --> 02:24.000]  A groundbreaking new marijuana legalization bill has passed Uruguay's House and is now
[02:24.000 --> 02:25.000]  up for vote in the Senate.
[02:25.000 --> 02:29.000]  The bill would establish guidelines for the production, distribution, and sale of cannabis
[02:29.000 --> 02:30.000]  to adult consumers.
[02:30.000 --> 02:35.000]  The bill has been reported to fix the price of marijuana to around $2.50 per gram.
[02:35.000 --> 02:40.000]  If the measure becomes law, it would establish a system similar to the Netherlands or Portugal,
[02:40.000 --> 02:44.000]  although the Uruguay bill provides for government control over the entire marijuana industry
[02:44.000 --> 02:46.000]  from cultivation to consumption.
[02:46.000 --> 02:50.000]  Individual citizens, cooperatives, and private companies can grow a specified amount of
[02:50.000 --> 02:55.000]  marijuana each month, but it may only be sold to consumers by state-run pharmacies.
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[03:55.000 --> 04:07.000]  Okay, the bad boys are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens.
[04:07.000 --> 04:10.000]  We're going to start out with Larry Wiest.
[04:10.000 --> 04:19.000]  He's one of our fellow co-fellow hosts and he had a little incident at the post office
[04:19.000 --> 04:21.000]  he wanted to talk about.
[04:21.000 --> 04:23.000]  Larry, you want to kind of give us the lowdown?
[04:23.000 --> 04:29.000]  Yeah, I want to tell people something they should seriously consider or think about,
[04:29.000 --> 04:33.000]  preparing yourself to deal with this situation if it arises.
[04:33.000 --> 04:36.000]  And I never thought it would have arose in my situation.
[04:36.000 --> 04:44.000]  But, you know, after the foreclosure of my house, I got a letter from Daffin, Daffin
[04:44.000 --> 04:47.000]  and Associates over there in Dallas.
[04:47.000 --> 04:53.000]  And, you know, they wanted to, it was just a letter saying that I was an occupant.
[04:53.000 --> 05:00.000]  So I, you know, with Randy's help and Johnny Enigma, we put together this really good
[05:00.000 --> 05:05.000]  letter and I had 10 days to respond to theirs, to their letter they sent me.
[05:05.000 --> 05:08.000]  So I sent it, it was due back today.
[05:08.000 --> 05:10.000]  It had to be responded to by today.
[05:10.000 --> 05:14.000]  Well, I sent it on the 6th, my response.
[05:14.000 --> 05:17.000]  I sent it certified mail return receipt.
[05:17.000 --> 05:20.000]  Well, today I get my, I'm watching on the post office.
[05:20.000 --> 05:24.000]  It says it was due to be delivered.
[05:24.000 --> 05:28.000]  It was scheduled for delivery August 8th, 2013.
[05:28.000 --> 05:31.000]  That's what the paperwork, that's what they, I printed all this out.
[05:31.000 --> 05:34.000]  Well, there's nothing, it hadn't updated.
[05:34.000 --> 05:41.000]  So I go and, I go and check my mail today and my little green certified mail return
[05:41.000 --> 05:44.000]  receipt card is in the mail.
[05:44.000 --> 05:45.000]  And guess what?
[05:45.000 --> 05:48.000]  It has no signature on it.
[05:48.000 --> 05:53.000]  It's been returned to me with no signature on it.
[05:53.000 --> 05:56.000]  And so I call the post, I go back up to the post office.
[05:56.000 --> 05:59.000]  I say, okay, this card was just returned to me.
[05:59.000 --> 06:05.000]  I pay for a certified mail return receipt and there's no signature on here.
[06:05.000 --> 06:07.000]  Who received this?
[06:07.000 --> 06:12.000]  And so they didn't know, they're like, oh, according to this post office,
[06:12.000 --> 06:14.000]  which never happened to them before.
[06:14.000 --> 06:17.000]  So get some calls from the postmaster.
[06:17.000 --> 06:21.000]  The postmaster's called this postmaster over in Addison,
[06:21.000 --> 06:24.000]  because he's just going to Addison, Dallas.
[06:24.000 --> 06:30.000]  It's a two-day trip at longest in certified, even just regular postal.
[06:30.000 --> 06:36.000]  Well, we're trying to call, try to call, I go back, I leave the green card with them.
[06:36.000 --> 06:39.000]  They call me up and say, well, we're going to send it back to the attorney's office
[06:39.000 --> 06:41.000]  and have them sign it.
[06:41.000 --> 06:45.000]  I said, do you think that the attorney's, now here's the part I really want you
[06:45.000 --> 06:46.000]  to pay attention to.
[06:46.000 --> 06:51.000]  I asked them, I said, do you think the attorney's office over there, Daffin,
[06:51.000 --> 06:56.000]  is going to sign a certified mail return receipt
[06:56.000 --> 07:00.000]  without it being attached to something?
[07:00.000 --> 07:01.000]  Now here's the part.
[07:01.000 --> 07:08.000]  They told me that Daffin gets so much certified mail return receipt to them,
[07:08.000 --> 07:10.000]  is that they drop it off.
[07:10.000 --> 07:13.000]  They drop off all this certified mail.
[07:13.000 --> 07:19.000]  Daffin just signs a book for them saying that they received it,
[07:19.000 --> 07:22.000]  and then over the next couple of days,
[07:22.000 --> 07:27.000]  they go back and stamp all the certified receipts
[07:27.000 --> 07:30.000]  and return them back to who they were mailed from.
[07:30.000 --> 07:35.000]  So I asked them, I said, I need a copy of that because I had 10 days to respond.
[07:35.000 --> 07:37.000]  I mailed this on the 6th.
[07:37.000 --> 07:40.000]  The 9th today is when they had to have it by.
[07:40.000 --> 07:44.000]  I need a copy of that book that you claimed that they signed.
[07:44.000 --> 07:48.000]  Well, we can't let you see that because there's other people's
[07:48.000 --> 07:51.000]  and that would be a violation of our privacy.
[07:51.000 --> 07:55.000]  I need to see that book because I need to have something to prove
[07:55.000 --> 07:59.000]  that they received that letter today, by today.
[07:59.000 --> 08:01.000]  They don't want to let me see the book.
[08:01.000 --> 08:03.000]  They say it's got information on it.
[08:03.000 --> 08:08.000]  So we tried to call the post office about 4.15 today,
[08:08.000 --> 08:11.000]  nothing but busy, busy, busy.
[08:11.000 --> 08:19.000]  So at this point, I have a certified mail return receipt green form in my hand,
[08:19.000 --> 08:23.000]  and it has no signature on it.
[08:23.000 --> 08:27.000]  And right now, I have no idea if the letter was even delivered
[08:27.000 --> 08:31.000]  because the post office website doesn't show it being delivered.
[08:31.000 --> 08:33.000]  It just shows it pending delivery.
[08:33.000 --> 08:42.000]  It says it was scheduled for delivery August 8th, which was yesterday, Thursday.
[08:42.000 --> 08:43.000]  So that is interesting.
[08:43.000 --> 08:46.000]  You need to get a hold of the postal inspectors
[08:46.000 --> 08:49.000]  and file a complaint with the postal inspectors.
[08:49.000 --> 08:54.000]  Well, that is the plan on Monday is to actually, and talking to Johnny,
[08:54.000 --> 08:58.000]  he said he's actually dealt with this a couple of times himself,
[08:58.000 --> 09:01.000]  and he's had to threaten lawsuits to get them,
[09:01.000 --> 09:07.000]  and what the outcome of it was is they got the carrier who actually delivered
[09:07.000 --> 09:13.000]  the certified mail to actually fill out an affidavit saying who they delivered it to
[09:13.000 --> 09:17.000]  and what day they delivered it on.
[09:17.000 --> 09:21.000]  But it came with threat of a lawsuit to get them to do that.
[09:21.000 --> 09:26.000]  That needs to still get a complaint to the postal inspectors.
[09:26.000 --> 09:30.000]  This is fraud on the part of the post office.
[09:30.000 --> 09:36.000]  You pay them to perform a service, and they're not bothering to perform the service.
[09:36.000 --> 09:40.000]  Yeah, and today it became a who could pass me around a who
[09:40.000 --> 09:44.000]  because now everybody's like, oh, it's not us. It's not us.
[09:44.000 --> 09:52.000]  You need to bill them for the time you had to spend sorting out their problem.
[09:52.000 --> 09:56.000]  I agree with that, and maybe I need to just send it in the form of a bill.
[09:56.000 --> 10:01.000]  You owe me this. You need to pay it or be prepared, cure or be sued.
[10:01.000 --> 10:04.000]  Yeah, make me whole or be sued.
[10:04.000 --> 10:06.000]  Well, I just thought that that would be interesting
[10:06.000 --> 10:10.000]  because people that are dealing with these mortgage issues,
[10:10.000 --> 10:13.000]  this is something they need to be prepared to deal with.
[10:13.000 --> 10:18.000]  I thought I would deal. I didn't even think that this would ever happen.
[10:18.000 --> 10:21.000]  That is an odd thing.
[10:21.000 --> 10:25.000]  And see, this letter was important. You know that. I showed you.
[10:25.000 --> 10:29.000]  Well, any time you send a letter of certified mail, it's important.
[10:29.000 --> 10:37.000]  So what are they doing conspiring with Daffrin, Frappin, and Kissmy behind
[10:37.000 --> 10:47.000]  to deny you the evidence of receipt of certified mail?
[10:47.000 --> 10:57.000]  This is not an authority they have, and these guys are absolutely public officials.
[10:57.000 --> 11:01.000]  So that would go to 18 U.S. Code 242 for whoever did it,
[11:01.000 --> 11:03.000]  and we don't care what their policy is.
[11:03.000 --> 11:07.000]  What I was about to say, that's mail fraud.
[11:07.000 --> 11:12.000]  On the part of the post office.
[11:12.000 --> 11:19.000]  So you might file mail fraud against the post office.
[11:19.000 --> 11:22.000]  Well, I think, and I'm going to talk to you more about this
[11:22.000 --> 11:24.000]  at some point over the weekend or Monday morning
[11:24.000 --> 11:27.000]  before I make a further response to them,
[11:27.000 --> 11:33.000]  I think you're right because to get a certified mail return receipt
[11:33.000 --> 11:37.000]  with no signature on it, and it gets returned back to me,
[11:37.000 --> 11:40.000]  and I have all the receipts and everything.
[11:40.000 --> 11:43.000]  So you don't have what you paid for.
[11:43.000 --> 11:47.000]  I don't have what I paid for, and nobody wants to make it right.
[11:47.000 --> 11:53.000]  The point was to ensure that I have something returned
[11:53.000 --> 11:56.000]  saying they received it before the 9th.
[11:56.000 --> 12:01.000]  Melling it on the 6th would give it plenty of time
[12:01.000 --> 12:05.000]  to get from Burleson, Texas to Addison, Texas,
[12:05.000 --> 12:08.000]  which is just about 40 miles away.
[12:08.000 --> 12:12.000]  It doesn't make any difference because under the courts
[12:12.000 --> 12:17.000]  consider it to have been received when it's mailed.
[12:17.000 --> 12:19.000]  But anyway, wait a minute.
[12:19.000 --> 12:23.000]  Does the letter say you have to respond in 10 days?
[12:23.000 --> 12:26.000]  Yes, the letter that Daffin sent me said,
[12:26.000 --> 12:29.000]  at the end of the letter it says,
[12:29.000 --> 12:34.000]  if you believe that you may be eligible for such protections,
[12:34.000 --> 12:38.000]  please contact our eviction department at the below,
[12:38.000 --> 12:41.000]  within 10 calendar days from the date of this letter,
[12:41.000 --> 12:45.000]  which was July 30th, 2013.
[12:45.000 --> 12:50.000]  That's an arbitrary number they decided to put in.
[12:50.000 --> 12:54.000]  But in any case, if that's an offer that they're making on their own
[12:54.000 --> 12:58.000]  and not under statute, then what was the offer
[12:58.000 --> 13:01.000]  that you had to respond to in 10 days?
[13:01.000 --> 13:08.000]  They're wanting me to admit if I'm a veteran or an occupant,
[13:08.000 --> 13:12.000]  a tenant under foreclosure, if I'm a tenant here.
[13:12.000 --> 13:19.000]  And they're saying under something to do with the...
[13:19.000 --> 13:21.000]  Okay, that's under code.
[13:21.000 --> 13:28.000]  That 10 days don't mean squat.
[13:28.000 --> 13:30.000]  They can't decide.
[13:30.000 --> 13:35.000]  If you're a veteran or a tenant, you have certain rights under law.
[13:35.000 --> 13:38.000]  And if you don't respond to them within 10 days,
[13:38.000 --> 13:41.000]  they'll assume that that doesn't apply to you,
[13:41.000 --> 13:45.000]  and we don't care what they assume.
[13:45.000 --> 13:50.000]  So if you get it 11 days, 20 days, it's not going to make any difference.
[13:50.000 --> 13:51.000]  Okay.
[13:51.000 --> 14:00.000]  So it won't really harm you, but you paid for what you paid for.
[14:00.000 --> 14:04.000]  And they owe you the service that they billed you for.
[14:04.000 --> 14:07.000]  Yeah.
[14:07.000 --> 14:10.000]  So great, you have a lot of fun with that.
[14:10.000 --> 14:14.000]  Yeah, but I just think on this show,
[14:14.000 --> 14:17.000]  it would be well, I don't know if anybody's actually dealt with this.
[14:17.000 --> 14:19.000]  I mean, it's a first for me.
[14:19.000 --> 14:20.000]  Right.
[14:20.000 --> 14:26.000]  We haven't talked about it on the show before.
[14:26.000 --> 14:29.000]  So it's an issue that hasn't come up,
[14:29.000 --> 14:36.000]  but probably won't take but a couple of complaints to the postal inspectors,
[14:36.000 --> 14:39.000]  and they'll order them to get that fixed.
[14:39.000 --> 14:44.000]  And that'll give Daff and Frappin a pain in the neck if they have to sign one of those.
[14:44.000 --> 14:50.000]  Yeah, because I did find it interesting that they said they have a book
[14:50.000 --> 14:54.000]  that they signed when they just dump them all off there,
[14:54.000 --> 14:57.000]  but then yet we can't see that book.
[14:57.000 --> 14:58.000]  Yeah.
[14:58.000 --> 15:01.000]  That's not going to work.
[15:01.000 --> 15:07.000]  Oh, this would be great if you get the subpoena of the book.
[15:07.000 --> 15:08.000]  That could be fun.
[15:08.000 --> 15:09.000]  That'll be fun.
[15:09.000 --> 15:13.000]  That'll get them dancing.
[15:13.000 --> 15:14.000]  Okay.
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000]  Thank you very much.
[15:16.000 --> 15:18.000]  That was fun.
[15:18.000 --> 15:22.000]  And keep us up to speed on what happens on that thing.
[15:22.000 --> 15:23.000]  Okay.
[15:23.000 --> 15:24.000]  Thank you, Randy.
[15:24.000 --> 15:26.000]  Thank you, Larry.
[15:26.000 --> 15:27.000]  Okay.
[15:27.000 --> 15:33.000]  Now we're going to go to Paul in Wisconsin.
[15:33.000 --> 15:35.000]  Hello, Paul.
[15:35.000 --> 15:36.000]  Hi, Randy.
[15:36.000 --> 15:40.000]  Yeah, I had something kind of not similar to what Larry was talking about
[15:40.000 --> 15:43.000]  that I had somebody put stuff in my mailbox,
[15:43.000 --> 15:46.000]  and I filed an appointment with the postal inspector,
[15:46.000 --> 15:50.000]  and they said they weren't going to do anything about it at all.
[15:50.000 --> 15:53.000]  So a lot of good that did.
[15:53.000 --> 15:59.000]  Well, did you file a complaint against the postal inspectors for misfeasance in office?
[15:59.000 --> 16:00.000]  Well, that's what...
[16:00.000 --> 16:02.000]  They don't have a duty to protect you,
[16:02.000 --> 16:05.000]  but they do have a duty to enforce the law.
[16:05.000 --> 16:10.000]  And if they decided not to, that's misfeasance in office.
[16:10.000 --> 16:16.000]  Failing to perform a duty, they're required to perform 18 U.S. Code 242,
[16:16.000 --> 16:23.000]  and you probably have a corresponding statute in Wisconsin.
[16:23.000 --> 16:26.000]  But since they're federal employees,
[16:26.000 --> 16:33.000]  then you can make that complaint to the U.S. attorney.
[16:33.000 --> 16:35.000]  That's what I will do.
[16:35.000 --> 16:38.000]  Okay, that'll be fun.
[16:38.000 --> 16:40.000]  You guys are having too much fun today.
[16:40.000 --> 16:42.000]  Do you have anything else for us, Paul?
[16:42.000 --> 16:44.000]  Yeah, I do.
[16:44.000 --> 16:45.000]  Okay, hang on.
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[19:43.000 --> 19:44.000]  We're in the Kelton Davis-Stevens
[19:44.000 --> 19:47.000]  and we're talking to Paul in Wisconsin
[19:47.000 --> 19:49.000]  and I didn't put in the date.
[19:49.000 --> 19:57.000]  This is Friday, the ninth day of October 2013.
[19:57.000 --> 20:01.000]  Okay, Paul, you had something else for us.
[20:01.000 --> 20:03.000]  Yeah, I did, Randy.
[20:03.000 --> 20:06.000]  I don't know if you had time to go over that.
[20:06.000 --> 20:11.000]  I sent you that letter from the lawyer office of regulation.
[20:11.000 --> 20:14.000]  I sent you my response letter to that.
[20:14.000 --> 20:17.000]  And then I sent you that letter that the district attorney sent me
[20:17.000 --> 20:22.000]  about all those criminal complaints that he denied
[20:22.000 --> 20:27.000]  filing or doing anything about.
[20:27.000 --> 20:33.000]  I don't think I saw the last one, the one from the district attorney.
[20:33.000 --> 20:34.000]  Okay.
[20:34.000 --> 20:40.000]  Did you look up the duties of the prosecuting attorney in Wisconsin?
[20:40.000 --> 20:45.000]  I went through the bar stuff.
[20:45.000 --> 20:52.000]  No, look in the, you'll have a criminal procedure code.
[20:52.000 --> 20:55.000]  In Texas, it's called Code of Criminal Procedure,
[20:55.000 --> 21:00.000]  but most states call it Criminal Procedure Code
[21:00.000 --> 21:03.000]  and it will prescribe the procedures.
[21:03.000 --> 21:08.000]  And in Texas, duties of officers is Chapter 2 right up there in the front.
[21:08.000 --> 21:12.000]  So look for duties of officers in your criminal procedure code
[21:12.000 --> 21:15.000]  to specify the duties of the prosecuting attorney
[21:15.000 --> 21:18.000]  and see if it gives him discretion.
[21:18.000 --> 21:20.000]  Okay.
[21:20.000 --> 21:21.000]  Will do.
[21:21.000 --> 21:24.000]  If it doesn't, then hammer him.
[21:24.000 --> 21:25.000]  Okay.
[21:25.000 --> 21:27.000]  And I hammer him on what?
[21:27.000 --> 21:29.000]  Hammer him anyway.
[21:29.000 --> 21:31.000]  All that stuff.
[21:31.000 --> 21:40.000]  Okay, if the statute gives him the prosecutor discretion,
[21:40.000 --> 21:44.000]  it will only give him discretion to determine
[21:44.000 --> 21:49.000]  whether or not there is sufficient evidence to warrant a prosecution.
[21:49.000 --> 21:54.000]  It will not give him prosecutorial caprice
[21:54.000 --> 22:00.000]  in that he may not simply decide who he wants to prosecute and who he doesn't.
[22:00.000 --> 22:06.000]  So you charge him with shielding from prosecution, obstruction of justice,
[22:06.000 --> 22:10.000]  whatever else you can find handy.
[22:10.000 --> 22:11.000]  Okay.
[22:11.000 --> 22:14.000]  Yeah, I'm up for that.
[22:14.000 --> 22:16.000]  Let's do it, you know.
[22:16.000 --> 22:19.000]  He needs to have his blood pressure raised a little.
[22:19.000 --> 22:20.000]  Yes, they do.
[22:20.000 --> 22:21.000]  It's great fun.
[22:21.000 --> 22:25.000]  I got to raise a lawyer's blood pressure today.
[22:25.000 --> 22:26.000]  Well, good.
[22:26.000 --> 22:29.000]  And it was great fun.
[22:29.000 --> 22:31.000]  Okay, do you have anything else for us, Paul?
[22:31.000 --> 22:33.000]  Yeah, I was going to ask you.
[22:33.000 --> 22:36.000]  When you go to sue an attorney,
[22:36.000 --> 22:41.000]  and I know when you sue someone you have to be made whole,
[22:41.000 --> 22:46.000]  like what would you claim for like damages
[22:46.000 --> 22:48.000]  because it's, you know, you can't just walk in the court and say,
[22:48.000 --> 22:50.000]  ah, I didn't like, you know, he didn't do this, this, and this.
[22:50.000 --> 22:51.000]  Okay, fine.
[22:51.000 --> 22:52.000]  Okay.
[22:52.000 --> 22:54.000]  But how did he damage you?
[22:54.000 --> 22:58.000]  Okay, if it's a due process violation, you don't have to claim damage.
[22:58.000 --> 23:01.000]  It's damage per se.
[23:01.000 --> 23:04.000]  It's harm on its face.
[23:04.000 --> 23:05.000]  Okay.
[23:05.000 --> 23:11.000]  You can ask for an amount, just pick an amount.
[23:11.000 --> 23:12.000]  Okay.
[23:12.000 --> 23:17.000]  Ask for X amount or other amount to be determined at trial.
[23:17.000 --> 23:21.000]  Okay, that's easy enough.
[23:21.000 --> 23:25.000]  And you kind of hit something base with Larry there.
[23:25.000 --> 23:31.000]  If you paid for something, like he paid for that receipt return and they didn't sign it,
[23:31.000 --> 23:36.000]  if you paid for something and you didn't receive it, that's fraud.
[23:36.000 --> 23:41.000]  Now, do you sue them civilly for that
[23:41.000 --> 23:44.000]  or can you actually file a criminal complaint against that?
[23:44.000 --> 23:49.000]  You can file a criminal if it's, I think it would have to be a given amount of money.
[23:49.000 --> 23:54.000]  It is in some states, so you'd have to look at the fraud statutes.
[23:54.000 --> 23:55.000]  Okay.
[23:55.000 --> 24:01.000]  In order to claim fraud, you need to claim all of the elements of the charge.
[24:01.000 --> 24:07.000]  So you need to look up the charge as it is codified into Wisconsin law.
[24:07.000 --> 24:08.000]  Okay.
[24:08.000 --> 24:14.000]  And for instance, I'm not sure exactly what the criminal statute for fraud says at the moment,
[24:14.000 --> 24:30.000]  but I know if I file a cause of action for fraud, I have to maintain that the individual did something to defraud me,
[24:30.000 --> 24:34.000]  that he acted with deliberate intent.
[24:34.000 --> 24:38.000]  Generally, fraud goes to something you've been told.
[24:38.000 --> 24:43.000]  So let me quote one that I know a little better, fraud by nondisclosure.
[24:43.000 --> 24:51.000]  If I claim fraud by nondisclosure, I'll have to state that the person gave me a disclosure,
[24:51.000 --> 24:55.000]  but failed to give me full disclosure.
[24:55.000 --> 25:06.000]  I relied on his disclosure and the defendant intended that I rely on his disclosure,
[25:06.000 --> 25:08.000]  and I was harmed thereby.
[25:08.000 --> 25:09.000]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[25:09.000 --> 25:19.000]  And I did not have equal access to the information as the defendant.
[25:19.000 --> 25:21.000]  That's not exactly in order.
[25:21.000 --> 25:27.000]  The defendant made a disclosure, the defendant failed to make full disclosure.
[25:27.000 --> 25:33.000]  The plaintiff did not have equal access to the information.
[25:33.000 --> 25:43.000]  Defendant intended that plaintiff rely on the information that was disclosed.
[25:43.000 --> 25:49.000]  Plaintiff did rely on the information that was disclosed, and plaintiff was harmed thereby.
[25:49.000 --> 25:53.000]  So there I'm going through the elements of the cause of action.
[25:53.000 --> 25:57.000]  The criminal act is going to have similar elements.
[25:57.000 --> 26:03.000]  So when you make the complaint, you make it in the verbiage of the elements.
[26:03.000 --> 26:09.000]  Make sure you state each element and how he addressed how he violated each element.
[26:09.000 --> 26:11.000]  Does that make sense?
[26:11.000 --> 26:16.000]  No, it makes sense because the reason I bring it up, the attorney hired a private investigator.
[26:16.000 --> 26:19.000]  The private investigator took a statement from the witness.
[26:19.000 --> 26:25.000]  The witness didn't sign the statement or date it, and neither did the private investigator.
[26:25.000 --> 26:29.000]  So I paid for something, but it was never signed and dated.
[26:29.000 --> 26:31.000]  It made efficient.
[26:31.000 --> 26:35.000]  Did you have to pay to file the complaint?
[26:35.000 --> 26:41.000]  This was my attorney hired a private investigator, charged me $15,000.
[26:41.000 --> 26:43.000]  Oh, okay. Now I got it. Now I got it. Okay.
[26:43.000 --> 26:46.000]  You paid for it with your tax money.
[26:46.000 --> 26:47.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[26:47.000 --> 26:48.000]  Oh, okay.
[26:48.000 --> 26:50.000]  It went into a trust.
[26:50.000 --> 26:54.000]  That's iffy, whether you can get there from that direction.
[26:54.000 --> 26:56.000]  Okay.
[26:56.000 --> 26:59.000]  But you can certainly file the criminal complaint.
[26:59.000 --> 27:14.000]  There's no best evidence as the alleged statement of the officer is insufficient as it's not a statement under oath.
[27:14.000 --> 27:18.000]  Okay. Okay.
[27:18.000 --> 27:26.000]  Get the criminal procedure code for Wisconsin and read through the section on duties of officers,
[27:26.000 --> 27:31.000]  and then also pull the penal code and pull fraud.
[27:31.000 --> 27:35.000]  There will probably be a number of fraud statutes.
[27:35.000 --> 27:41.000]  Look through the fraud statutes and see if you can find one that fits.
[27:41.000 --> 27:43.000]  Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.
[27:43.000 --> 27:44.000]  You're talking about police officers.
[27:44.000 --> 27:46.000]  This was a private detective.
[27:46.000 --> 27:49.000]  This was not a police officer.
[27:49.000 --> 27:55.000]  This was a detective that the attorney hired to take this.
[27:55.000 --> 28:02.000]  Well, that's going to be hard to get to because the detective contracted with the prosecuting attorney,
[28:02.000 --> 28:04.000]  and you don't know what the contract was.
[28:04.000 --> 28:08.000]  You need to ask the prosecutor for the contract with the private detective.
[28:08.000 --> 28:10.000]  No, no, no, no, no.
[28:10.000 --> 28:12.000]  This was not the prosecutor.
[28:12.000 --> 28:14.000]  This was my attorney.
[28:14.000 --> 28:18.000]  Oh, okay. You're confusing me now.
[28:18.000 --> 28:20.000]  Okay. I'm sorry. I'm confused too.
[28:20.000 --> 28:28.000]  Okay. It was your attorney that hired a private investigator.
[28:28.000 --> 28:29.000]  Correct.
[28:29.000 --> 28:38.000]  Okay. If the private investigator gave your attorney a report
[28:38.000 --> 28:42.000]  and your attorney accepted the report in the condition it was in,
[28:42.000 --> 28:46.000]  if there is a problem, you'd have that problem with your attorney
[28:46.000 --> 28:48.000]  and not with the private investigator.
[28:48.000 --> 28:51.000]  Correct. Yeah, I figured that.
[28:51.000 --> 29:00.000]  But I thought because the witness that witnessed everything got signed statement or dated,
[29:00.000 --> 29:09.000]  and the private investigator that the attorney hired did not sign the statement or date it themselves.
[29:09.000 --> 29:13.000]  Okay. Yeah, those statements were worthless.
[29:13.000 --> 29:15.000]  Yeah, exactly. And I paid for that.
[29:15.000 --> 29:20.000]  Did the lawyer charge you for the price of the private investigator?
[29:20.000 --> 29:23.000]  Yes, he did. $1,500.
[29:23.000 --> 29:30.000]  Oh, then they absolutely sued the lawyer for fraud.
[29:30.000 --> 29:37.000]  Yeah, okay. Now, can I file a criminal complaint against him for that?
[29:37.000 --> 29:39.000]  No, that's a civil issue.
[29:39.000 --> 29:42.000]  Okay, that's what I was wondering.
[29:42.000 --> 29:52.000]  It's technically not fraud. It would go closer to conversion.
[29:52.000 --> 29:55.000]  Okay. Okay.
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[33:31.000 --> 33:52.000]  OK, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[33:52.000 --> 33:55.000]  We move our radio and we're talking to Paul in Wisconsin.
[33:55.000 --> 33:58.000]  Paul, do you have anything else for us?
[33:58.000 --> 34:03.000]  Yeah, one thing about the judge is this thing.
[34:03.000 --> 34:06.000]  Now, it was a civil injunction hearing.
[34:06.000 --> 34:12.000]  He proceeded without my attorney present, and I asked for a continuance.
[34:12.000 --> 34:15.000]  Now, does he have discretion on that?
[34:15.000 --> 34:16.000]  No.
[34:16.000 --> 34:18.000]  Did he violate my rights?
[34:18.000 --> 34:21.000]  Yes, he most certainly did.
[34:21.000 --> 34:22.000]  OK.
[34:22.000 --> 34:26.000]  That should get official pressure denying you your right to counsel.
[34:26.000 --> 34:29.000]  But he does not have discretion to do.
[34:29.000 --> 34:36.000]  Well, according to the judicial misconduct, he didn't do anything wrong, of course.
[34:36.000 --> 34:40.000]  Well, he could have shot 10 babies in the courtroom and they'd have said that.
[34:40.000 --> 34:42.000]  They don't care.
[34:42.000 --> 34:44.000]  File criminal charges.
[34:44.000 --> 34:46.000]  You don't care what those trumps say.
[34:46.000 --> 34:48.000]  They're fellow judges.
[34:48.000 --> 34:50.000]  Oh, yeah, right.
[34:50.000 --> 34:51.000]  Right.
[34:51.000 --> 34:55.000]  They're going to exonerate the judge.
[34:55.000 --> 35:04.000]  The only way they'll go after a judge is if he bothers somebody of importance in political clout.
[35:04.000 --> 35:11.000]  These are public officials supposedly policing public officials.
[35:11.000 --> 35:15.000]  Now, if I was going to file a lawsuit against him, that'd be in a federal, right?
[35:15.000 --> 35:18.000]  And what would I go after him on?
[35:18.000 --> 35:19.000]  Wait a minute.
[35:19.000 --> 35:20.000]  Say that again?
[35:20.000 --> 35:22.000]  If you were what?
[35:22.000 --> 35:25.000]  A lawsuit against the judge for violating?
[35:25.000 --> 35:27.000]  No, that would be in the state.
[35:27.000 --> 35:29.000]  That would be in the state.
[35:29.000 --> 35:30.000]  Yeah, he's in the state.
[35:30.000 --> 35:32.000]  You're in the state.
[35:32.000 --> 35:37.000]  And you're maintaining that he acted beyond scope.
[35:37.000 --> 35:39.000]  OK.
[35:39.000 --> 35:45.000]  And therefore lacked immunity because he was beyond scope.
[35:45.000 --> 35:46.000]  OK.
[35:46.000 --> 35:50.000]  Because, I mean, I'll give his attention one way or another.
[35:50.000 --> 35:53.000]  That'll probably get his attention.
[35:53.000 --> 35:56.000]  And then you run the routine on the complaint.
[35:56.000 --> 35:57.000]  OK.
[35:57.000 --> 35:58.000]  We really need to move along.
[35:58.000 --> 36:00.000]  We got a lot of callers tonight.
[36:00.000 --> 36:01.000]  Oh, OK.
[36:01.000 --> 36:02.000]  Well, I'll let you go then, Randy.
[36:02.000 --> 36:03.000]  I appreciate it.
[36:03.000 --> 36:04.000]  OK.
[36:04.000 --> 36:06.000]  Thank you, Paul.
[36:06.000 --> 36:07.000]  OK.
[36:07.000 --> 36:12.000]  We are going to go to Chris in Texas.
[36:12.000 --> 36:17.000]  Chris, what's the deal on that ticket you got?
[36:17.000 --> 36:18.000]  Well, what it is.
[36:18.000 --> 36:23.000]  Do you want me to ask you direct questions where I believe my rights are violated
[36:23.000 --> 36:25.000]  or you want me to tell you what happened?
[36:25.000 --> 36:29.000]  Well, I don't want to go through a long, drawn-out dissertation
[36:29.000 --> 36:34.000]  if you can give me quickly what happened just to get us oriented.
[36:34.000 --> 36:35.000]  OK.
[36:35.000 --> 36:40.000]  Me and my girlfriend were leaving a car dealership at about 12 o'clock at night.
[36:40.000 --> 36:42.000]  And cops pulled us over.
[36:42.000 --> 36:45.000]  They told us that they pulled us over for leaving our blinker on too long
[36:45.000 --> 36:47.000]  and making a wide right turn.
[36:47.000 --> 36:52.000]  And then they went to talking about they had a lot of thefts in the area.
[36:52.000 --> 36:56.000]  And I believe that may have gave them reasonable suspicion.
[36:56.000 --> 37:01.000]  But I believe they made up the wide right turn issue.
[37:01.000 --> 37:08.000]  When the cop mentioned that asked if we had any permission to be there or whatnot,
[37:08.000 --> 37:11.000]  I told them I would give them the phone number of the guy that let us in.
[37:11.000 --> 37:18.000]  Then he tried to ID me and I told him I wouldn't plead the fifth.
[37:18.000 --> 37:20.000]  I wasn't going to ID him.
[37:20.000 --> 37:21.000]  I asked if I was under arrest.
[37:21.000 --> 37:22.000]  He said no.
[37:22.000 --> 37:23.000]  I asked if I was being detained.
[37:23.000 --> 37:24.000]  He said yes.
[37:24.000 --> 37:25.000]  I said under what grounds.
[37:25.000 --> 37:28.000]  And he wouldn't tell me.
[37:28.000 --> 37:32.000]  Then he asked me again for my ID and I told him I wasn't going to ID.
[37:32.000 --> 37:36.000]  And then he said now this is going to turn into something else.
[37:36.000 --> 37:41.000]  I asked for a supervisor about 10 minutes later, 15 minutes later.
[37:41.000 --> 37:42.000]  A supervisor shows up.
[37:42.000 --> 37:48.000]  And the supervisor said after he told me who he was and whatnot,
[37:48.000 --> 37:51.000]  he said what we're going to do right now is I need you to step out of the car.
[37:51.000 --> 37:53.000]  I said I'm not getting out of the car.
[37:53.000 --> 37:54.000]  He said you're going to get out.
[37:54.000 --> 37:57.000]  And I have my dog, a German Shepherd, between my legs.
[37:57.000 --> 37:59.000]  And I'm on the right side of the car.
[37:59.000 --> 38:04.000]  He said you're going to get out of the car or you're either going to do it the nice way
[38:04.000 --> 38:06.000]  or I'm going to remove you from the car.
[38:06.000 --> 38:10.000]  And I tried asking him why and he didn't want to have a conversation with me.
[38:10.000 --> 38:12.000]  He said you'll get out of the car.
[38:12.000 --> 38:16.000]  If you're not going to get out of the car, I will remove you physically from the car.
[38:16.000 --> 38:19.000]  He said so you're going to do it the nice way?
[38:19.000 --> 38:20.000]  Oh, no.
[38:20.000 --> 38:22.000]  So he said are you going to get out of the car or not?
[38:22.000 --> 38:25.000]  Well, after they pulled, I was afraid about my dog.
[38:25.000 --> 38:30.000]  I was afraid they tried to pull me out of the car that my dog might get killed or something.
[38:30.000 --> 38:35.000]  So I got out of the car and I still wouldn't tell them who I am.
[38:35.000 --> 38:37.000]  They brought me a Texas Penal Code and showed me the code.
[38:37.000 --> 38:38.000]  And I asked them to read it.
[38:38.000 --> 38:39.000]  I'm trying to say that's why.
[38:39.000 --> 38:42.000]  Go ahead.
[38:42.000 --> 38:47.000]  They brought me a Texas Penal Code trying to show me where I was supposed to ID.
[38:47.000 --> 38:48.000]  And I asked them to read it.
[38:48.000 --> 38:49.000]  They wouldn't read it.
[38:49.000 --> 38:50.000]  I asked them to read it.
[38:50.000 --> 38:51.000]  They wouldn't read it.
[38:51.000 --> 38:53.000]  I said, well, apparently you can't read it in the first place.
[38:53.000 --> 38:54.000]  And I read it for them.
[38:54.000 --> 38:56.000]  And the last word is one arrested.
[38:56.000 --> 38:58.000]  Should I ask you earlier if I was under arrest?
[38:58.000 --> 39:01.000]  They said no, if I am under arrest now, tell me my charges.
[39:01.000 --> 39:04.000]  And once I'm under arrest, I'll comply with that statute.
[39:04.000 --> 39:11.000]  Then they looked through my wallet and it appeared that they were going to leave me on the side of the road
[39:11.000 --> 39:14.000]  and pull my girlfriend's car and arrest her for making a wide right turn
[39:14.000 --> 39:17.000]  because she wouldn't tell them who I was either.
[39:17.000 --> 39:19.000]  And I had a pistol.
[39:19.000 --> 39:20.000]  Okay.
[39:20.000 --> 39:22.000]  Well, let's kind of go to the end.
[39:22.000 --> 39:25.000]  We don't need all of the details.
[39:25.000 --> 39:27.000]  Did they arrest you?
[39:27.000 --> 39:29.000]  Yes, but they arrested me on warrants.
[39:29.000 --> 39:31.000]  At the very end, somehow they figured out who I was.
[39:31.000 --> 39:35.000]  I do not know how they did that.
[39:35.000 --> 39:37.000]  Said they took out your wallet.
[39:37.000 --> 39:39.000]  Did you have it in your wallet?
[39:39.000 --> 39:42.000]  No, but I have a personal card in my wallet that has my phone number.
[39:42.000 --> 39:48.000]  And my phone rang and it said Rockwall County Sheriff's Department.
[39:48.000 --> 39:54.000]  Well, that's probably how they ran a check on the number.
[39:54.000 --> 39:58.000]  Okay. Well, the fact that you had warrants,
[39:58.000 --> 40:04.000]  that's going to pretty well absolve them of any charges.
[40:04.000 --> 40:07.000]  Even the going through my wallet?
[40:07.000 --> 40:10.000]  Yep.
[40:10.000 --> 40:12.000]  Okay.
[40:12.000 --> 40:14.000]  You had warrants on you.
[40:14.000 --> 40:17.000]  All bets are off.
[40:17.000 --> 40:20.000]  Yeah. I know me getting arrested, I can't do anything about that
[40:20.000 --> 40:25.000]  because they came up with warrants, but the fact that they went through my wallet
[40:25.000 --> 40:29.000]  before they knew I had warrants, that's not a Fourth Amendment violation?
[40:29.000 --> 40:36.000]  Well, that's a really close technical call.
[40:36.000 --> 40:40.000]  They're going to say that because you had warrants,
[40:40.000 --> 40:45.000]  the officers are going to say they had reasonably because of your demeanor,
[40:45.000 --> 40:54.000]  that you had a shifty gaze and a hesitant voice
[40:54.000 --> 40:59.000]  and that gave them reason to believe that you were hiding something.
[40:59.000 --> 41:04.000]  And in fact, their suspicions were correct because you were,
[41:04.000 --> 41:09.000]  that you had warrants and you're not going to get anywhere with that claim.
[41:09.000 --> 41:11.000]  If we're going to make these technical claims,
[41:11.000 --> 41:15.000]  we need to be a little more squeaky clean than that.
[41:15.000 --> 41:18.000]  Yeah. I just haven't learned enough to feel comfortable going after
[41:18.000 --> 41:22.000]  my old traffic violations that I didn't pay for.
[41:22.000 --> 41:28.000]  Yeah. Try not to agitate them too much, especially if you got warrants.
[41:28.000 --> 41:34.000]  Maybe you can call them in to not arrest you if you're not checking.
[41:34.000 --> 41:41.000]  If you're pretty cooperative with them, they might not have run the check.
[41:41.000 --> 41:47.000]  So if you're at risk, then don't poke the bear.
[41:47.000 --> 41:52.000]  But if you're clean, that's different.
[41:52.000 --> 41:59.000]  All righty. And do you agree that I've heard Mr. Eddie Craig say
[41:59.000 --> 42:04.000]  that the judges are packing out a jurisdiction,
[42:04.000 --> 42:06.000]  signing a warrant for a Class B misdemeanor.
[42:06.000 --> 42:10.000]  Do you agree with that or?
[42:10.000 --> 42:11.000]  Wait a minute.
[42:11.000 --> 42:14.000]  He's saying the judge is out of his jurisdiction,
[42:14.000 --> 42:18.000]  signing a warrant for a Class B misdemeanor?
[42:18.000 --> 42:20.000]  C, C. I heard Eddie.
[42:20.000 --> 42:21.000]  Oh, C.
[42:21.000 --> 42:26.000]  He found statute laws to say where they have authority for Class B and A,
[42:26.000 --> 42:29.000]  but not C.
[42:29.000 --> 42:36.000]  No, they can arrest on Class C. They can't imprison.
[42:36.000 --> 42:37.000]  All righty.
[42:37.000 --> 42:42.000]  They can only arrest for any offense.
[42:42.000 --> 42:50.000]  But on Class C, you can't be adjudicated a term of imprisonment,
[42:50.000 --> 42:54.000]  which can be arrested and brought before a magistrate.
[42:54.000 --> 42:57.000]  My last question is, they took my pistol,
[42:57.000 --> 43:02.000]  and the arresting officer didn't turn it over with the rest of my property
[43:02.000 --> 43:07.000]  to the sheriff's department, and they put it under evidence.
[43:07.000 --> 43:10.000]  And they said they couldn't give it back to me
[43:10.000 --> 43:13.000]  until they figured out why he put it in evidence.
[43:13.000 --> 43:20.000]  And that was Monday will be 14 days.
[43:20.000 --> 43:25.000]  Go to the prosecutor and file theft charges against the officer.
[43:25.000 --> 43:27.000]  Okay.
[43:27.000 --> 43:30.000]  And then I stole my weapon, that chump.
[43:30.000 --> 43:33.000]  He's going to go out and sell it on the black market
[43:33.000 --> 43:36.000]  and then get me in trouble when it's used in a crime.
[43:36.000 --> 43:42.000]  So file against him, and that will most likely get the prosecutor off his keister,
[43:42.000 --> 43:45.000]  and he'll do something to get that to you.
[43:45.000 --> 43:46.000]  Okay, hang on.
[43:46.000 --> 43:47.000]  We are going to break.
[43:47.000 --> 43:49.000]  This is Randy Kelton, W. Stevens.
[43:49.000 --> 43:54.000]  We use our radio, our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
[43:54.000 --> 43:56.000]  We've got a stack of calls tonight,
[43:56.000 --> 44:02.000]  so if you want to get in and call quick caller, we'll be right with you.
[44:02.000 --> 44:05.000]  Mr. President, members of Congress,
[44:05.000 --> 44:09.000]  you've been making a lot of noise about taking our guns away,
[44:09.000 --> 44:11.000]  but you might want to review history.
[44:11.000 --> 44:15.000]  1835, Gonzales, Texas Territory.
[44:15.000 --> 44:20.000]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[44:20.000 --> 44:22.000]  You know what the people said?
[44:22.000 --> 44:24.000]  Come and take it.
[44:24.000 --> 44:29.000]  Because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:29.000 --> 44:31.000]  So are we.
[44:31.000 --> 44:34.000]  Come and take it if you want it.
[44:34.000 --> 44:37.000]  Come and take it if you can.
[44:37.000 --> 44:40.000]  Come and take it, but I want you.
[44:40.000 --> 44:43.000]  You'll have to fight for my cold dead hands.
[44:43.000 --> 44:46.000]  We want the freedom that God gave us.
[44:46.000 --> 44:49.000]  So you best not cross that line.
[44:49.000 --> 44:54.000]  If you want this gun, you've got to come through us and take it.
[44:54.000 --> 44:57.000]  One shot at a time.
[44:57.000 --> 45:01.000]  Just like Gonzales, we're keeping our guns.
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[46:24.000 --> 46:37.000]  Okay, we are back.
[46:37.000 --> 46:39.000]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio,
[46:39.000 --> 46:41.000]  and we're talking to Chris in Texas.
[46:41.000 --> 46:43.000]  Chris, do you have anything else for us?
[46:43.000 --> 46:48.000]  They told me that I needed a valid ID to come after they figured out
[46:48.000 --> 46:53.000]  why it was in evidence and not just in holding or whatnot.
[46:53.000 --> 46:58.000]  They told me I need a valid ID to come get it, and I don't have a valid ID.
[46:58.000 --> 46:59.000]  No problem.
[46:59.000 --> 47:05.000]  Go down to where you get your license.
[47:05.000 --> 47:06.000]  It costs $10.
[47:06.000 --> 47:13.000]  I'll give you a Texas ID that looks exactly like your driver's license.
[47:13.000 --> 47:17.000]  And are you sure there's no stipulations to sign in the paperwork for them?
[47:17.000 --> 47:20.000]  I don't like signing any government documents.
[47:20.000 --> 47:24.000]  Then if you don't want to sign any government documents,
[47:24.000 --> 47:27.000]  you're going to have a real problem.
[47:27.000 --> 47:32.000]  I know there are these guys out there who are saying don't contract with them.
[47:32.000 --> 47:42.000]  Well, if we lived 150 years ago, that's a viable option.
[47:42.000 --> 47:46.000]  It is not a viable option today.
[47:46.000 --> 47:50.000]  I mean, you can try to do that, but you'd have to go find a place
[47:50.000 --> 47:55.000]  where there's nobody's around, where there are no public services,
[47:55.000 --> 48:01.000]  no street cars, no street lamps, no gas service, no police service,
[48:01.000 --> 48:03.000]  no fire service.
[48:03.000 --> 48:09.000]  You have to give up everything if you're not going to contract with these guys.
[48:09.000 --> 48:10.000]  Okay.
[48:10.000 --> 48:11.000]  Thank you very much, Mr. Kelton.
[48:11.000 --> 48:14.000]  I appreciate everything you and Deborah and Eddie does.
[48:14.000 --> 48:17.000]  Okay, in this case, you're just filing for an ID.
[48:17.000 --> 48:24.000]  You're not entering into any contract that binds you or them or anything.
[48:24.000 --> 48:27.000]  But with me having one, are they just going to keep arresting me
[48:27.000 --> 48:31.000]  every time I go to try to get the ID?
[48:31.000 --> 48:35.000]  What if you got more warrants?
[48:35.000 --> 48:37.000]  Yeah, they don't ever come get me unless...
[48:37.000 --> 48:38.000]  Do you have more warrants?
[48:38.000 --> 48:39.000]  Four hours.
[48:39.000 --> 48:43.000]  Yeah, I have like four.
[48:43.000 --> 48:44.000]  Oh, yeah, I couldn't hear that.
[48:44.000 --> 48:46.000]  I had noise in the background.
[48:46.000 --> 48:51.000]  I have at least four that I know of.
[48:51.000 --> 48:56.000]  Well, yeah, if you have more warrants, yeah, they're going to do that.
[48:56.000 --> 48:57.000]  All right.
[48:57.000 --> 49:01.000]  You need to get those cleared up.
[49:01.000 --> 49:06.000]  I'm trying to learn so I can go and properly adjudicate them.
[49:06.000 --> 49:09.000]  Yeah, when they got warrants, they got the upper hand,
[49:09.000 --> 49:13.000]  and we need to get rid of their upper hand.
[49:13.000 --> 49:14.000]  And keep listening.
[49:14.000 --> 49:20.000]  If there's these guys that are touting that you have to get out of the system altogether,
[49:20.000 --> 49:22.000]  it's just not possible or reasonable.
[49:22.000 --> 49:28.000]  You can't have a life in this culture if you don't contract with them in some way.
[49:28.000 --> 49:31.000]  But you're just careful how you contract with them.
[49:31.000 --> 49:35.000]  Signing for the driver's license, it's perfectly fine.
[49:35.000 --> 49:39.000]  You get the driver's license and you get your ID.
[49:39.000 --> 49:44.000]  They're going to ask you for a driver's license, give me an ID.
[49:44.000 --> 49:49.000]  I had one asked to bring that back and say, well, Mr. Kelton, this is a Texas ID.
[49:49.000 --> 49:50.000]  Do you have a driver's license?
[49:50.000 --> 49:52.000]  I said, yes, I do.
[49:52.000 --> 49:55.000]  But I'm not using it right now.
[49:55.000 --> 50:01.000]  I got that little shot from a friend of mine in San Antonio, and it worked absolutely perfect.
[50:01.000 --> 50:06.000]  The officer said, Mr. Kelton, are you one of those guys?
[50:06.000 --> 50:07.000]  And I said, yes, I am.
[50:07.000 --> 50:10.000]  He said, have a nice day.
[50:10.000 --> 50:13.000]  He had been that right to travel route.
[50:13.000 --> 50:23.000]  But I am suggesting do not do the right to travel route with no license, no plates, no nothing,
[50:23.000 --> 50:26.000]  because it don't make any difference what the law says.
[50:26.000 --> 50:29.000]  They're going to throw your butt right in the can.
[50:29.000 --> 50:32.000]  That's how it really works.
[50:32.000 --> 50:40.000]  I have a license on my vehicle, and I also have a DOT number on my vehicle.
[50:40.000 --> 50:47.000]  And when I get stopped, I ask the cop, did you read that DOT number off the back of my vehicle?
[50:47.000 --> 50:49.000]  And the last one said, well, no, I didn't.
[50:49.000 --> 50:51.000]  Well, go read it.
[50:51.000 --> 50:53.000]  He went back and looked at it.
[50:53.000 --> 50:54.000]  He said, so what?
[50:54.000 --> 50:56.000]  Look it up.
[50:56.000 --> 51:01.000]  I am registered with the Department of Transportation, Washington, D.C.
[51:01.000 --> 51:04.000]  I contracted with them.
[51:04.000 --> 51:12.000]  I contracted with them to give them notice that I am a private operator, not in commerce.
[51:12.000 --> 51:22.000]  And by virtue of that contract, they are required to give every police officer who would enforce the traffic code
[51:22.000 --> 51:29.000]  against me notice that he has no jurisdiction to do so.
[51:29.000 --> 51:30.000]  So that contract's okay.
[51:30.000 --> 51:33.000]  I can handle that one.
[51:33.000 --> 51:42.000]  So when I get him to court and I pull out the traffic clause and show that it's commercial,
[51:42.000 --> 51:50.000]  then I can testify he had full notice that I was not in commerce, filed with the DOT.
[51:50.000 --> 51:56.000]  If you don't like it, go argue that issue with the DOT, not with me.
[51:56.000 --> 52:05.000]  This is kind of, there's another way of doing this without exorcising ourselves from the culture.
[52:05.000 --> 52:07.000]  And it's kind of a bad idea anyway.
[52:07.000 --> 52:10.000]  You are the sovereign.
[52:10.000 --> 52:13.000]  You're the boss here.
[52:13.000 --> 52:24.000]  And as the sovereign, as the sovereign without subjects, it's inappropriate to abandon your domain.
[52:24.000 --> 52:29.000]  You read in the Bible and it says, render unto Caesar.
[52:29.000 --> 52:34.000]  In this country, you are Caesar.
[52:34.000 --> 52:37.000]  So it's your job.
[52:37.000 --> 52:41.000]  It's your job to make sure these people do what they do, right?
[52:41.000 --> 52:49.000]  And it's okay to contract with them as long as you know what you're contracting.
[52:49.000 --> 52:53.000]  Just because you're in our contract doesn't mean they get to do anything they want to.
[52:53.000 --> 52:56.000]  They only get to act within the contract.
[52:56.000 --> 52:58.000]  And if you can get them to step outside the contract,
[52:58.000 --> 53:06.000]  then you can pull out the contract which includes Texas penal code and then beat them up with it.
[53:06.000 --> 53:08.000]  Does that make sense, Chris?
[53:08.000 --> 53:09.000]  Yes, sir.
[53:09.000 --> 53:10.000]  I quit listening to Patriot mythology.
[53:10.000 --> 53:15.000]  I downloaded as many of y'all's shows off the Internet as I can in Jurisdictionary.
[53:15.000 --> 53:17.000]  I purchased y'all's course.
[53:17.000 --> 53:19.000]  I'm about to purchase Jurisdictionary.
[53:19.000 --> 53:22.000]  So one day I can be as astute as you may be.
[53:22.000 --> 53:23.000]  Good.
[53:23.000 --> 53:26.000]  You'll be surprised.
[53:26.000 --> 53:32.000]  This will empower you in ways you didn't expect.
[53:32.000 --> 53:38.000]  Today I just crawled down a lawyer's throat and just had an absolute great time doing it.
[53:38.000 --> 53:42.000]  He's playing big, bad, smarty-mouth lawyer.
[53:42.000 --> 53:50.000]  And he just couldn't get his feet under him because nothing he did affected me in the least.
[53:50.000 --> 53:52.000]  I was not impressed.
[53:52.000 --> 53:54.000]  And he did not know what to do.
[53:54.000 --> 53:56.000]  That was absolutely a hoot.
[53:56.000 --> 54:00.000]  I enjoyed myself more than I had a right to.
[54:00.000 --> 54:03.000]  Police stopped me when those lights come on behind me.
[54:03.000 --> 54:06.000]  I don't get that empty feeling in the pit of my stomach.
[54:06.000 --> 54:12.000]  I look out the rearview mirror and I think, come on, Bubba, take your best shot.
[54:12.000 --> 54:18.000]  I'll give you a romp through the legal system you are not going to believe.
[54:18.000 --> 54:20.000]  I can't wait to do that.
[54:20.000 --> 54:22.000]  You have a great day and take some other callers.
[54:22.000 --> 54:23.000]  I appreciate it very much.
[54:23.000 --> 54:24.000]  Okay.
[54:24.000 --> 54:25.000]  Thank you, Chris.
[54:25.000 --> 54:26.000]  Okay.
[54:26.000 --> 54:29.000]  Now we're going to go to Debbie in California.
[54:29.000 --> 54:31.000]  Hello, Ms. Debbie.
[54:31.000 --> 54:32.000]  Hi, Randy.
[54:32.000 --> 54:33.000]  I'm back.
[54:33.000 --> 54:34.000]  How are you?
[54:34.000 --> 54:36.000]  Hello.
[54:36.000 --> 54:37.000]  I am fine.
[54:37.000 --> 54:38.000]  Okay.
[54:38.000 --> 54:40.000]  Foreclosure issue.
[54:40.000 --> 54:43.000]  Bring this up to speed.
[54:43.000 --> 54:47.000]  What is the current condition of your mortgage?
[54:47.000 --> 54:48.000]  Okay.
[54:48.000 --> 54:49.000]  Hold on.
[54:49.000 --> 54:56.000]  You have been in default since 09 or 07?
[54:56.000 --> 55:02.000]  Actually, the notice of default was filed December of 08.
[55:02.000 --> 55:08.000]  Well, when did you get three payments behind?
[55:08.000 --> 55:15.000]  Actually, probably a year prior to that, which would have been January, would have been 07.
[55:15.000 --> 55:24.000]  You can back up and maintain that the default occurred when you became three months behind.
[55:24.000 --> 55:28.000]  It actually technically occurred the day you missed the payments,
[55:28.000 --> 55:34.000]  unless there's some stipulation in the contract that if you miss a payment or get behind,
[55:34.000 --> 55:39.000]  you have X number of days to catch up the payment.
[55:39.000 --> 55:44.000]  If it doesn't have that provision, the day you're behind, you're in default.
[55:44.000 --> 55:49.000]  So for our purposes, we can claim default either at the day you're behind
[55:49.000 --> 55:55.000]  or the day after your grace period that will be written into the contract.
[55:55.000 --> 56:00.000]  So now we go back to 07.
[56:00.000 --> 56:01.000]  It's 13.
[56:01.000 --> 56:11.000]  Did you look up the statute of limitations for prosecuting a claim against real property in California?
[56:11.000 --> 56:15.000]  Yes, and I could not find a concrete answer.
[56:15.000 --> 56:19.000]  I did find some of it said four years and some said six years.
[56:19.000 --> 56:25.000]  And then I read another article that said there is no limit, which I know that could not be correct.
[56:25.000 --> 56:29.000]  Maybe I wasn't reading it properly.
[56:29.000 --> 56:36.000]  Yeah, that cannot be, because otherwise you could have a lien in the property 100 years old
[56:36.000 --> 56:39.000]  and still clouding the title.
[56:39.000 --> 56:40.000]  Correct, correct.
[56:40.000 --> 56:44.000]  So what would I type in my search engine again?
[56:44.000 --> 57:01.000]  Let's see, foreclosure, limit statute of limitations, California.
[57:01.000 --> 57:02.000]  I did that.
[57:02.000 --> 57:06.000]  You'll probably get a better read because I'm not in California.
[57:06.000 --> 57:11.000]  You get more hits near where you're at.
[57:11.000 --> 57:12.000]  I see.
[57:12.000 --> 57:16.000]  Statute of limitations in foreclosure actions.
[57:16.000 --> 57:21.000]  If your mortgage lender waits too long to bring a foreclosure action against you,
[57:21.000 --> 57:26.000]  you might be able to stop the foreclosure using your statute of limitations.
[57:26.000 --> 57:28.000]  Statute of limitations assess your time.
[57:28.000 --> 57:30.000]  I see determined.
[57:30.000 --> 57:34.000]  If the case is filed after a certain date, this is not saying what the date is.
[57:34.000 --> 57:36.000]  Ah, here we go.
[57:36.000 --> 57:44.000]  Generally, the statute of limitations that is relevant to home foreclosures is the one for written contracts.
[57:44.000 --> 57:50.000]  However, some states, for example, New Jersey, have a specific statute of limitations for foreclosure.
[57:50.000 --> 57:56.000]  Each state has its own state limitations, which ranges from 3 years, 15 years.
[57:56.000 --> 58:01.000]  It doesn't mention California in this document.
[58:01.000 --> 58:02.000]  Okay, hang on.
[58:02.000 --> 58:03.000]  We're about to go to break.
[58:03.000 --> 58:05.000]  We'll pick this back up on the other side.
[58:05.000 --> 58:10.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rue La Radio.
[58:10.000 --> 58:14.000]  And we're going to our top of the hour break, so we're going to be a little bit longer break.
[58:14.000 --> 58:15.000]  Give us a call.
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[58:25.000 --> 58:28.000]  We'll be taking calls on any subject.
[58:28.000 --> 58:33.000]  And I need the calls to keep coming because I've been up almost two days now,
[58:33.000 --> 58:39.000]  and I am too old for this, so if I sound a little out of it,
[58:39.000 --> 58:44.000]  just holler at me and holler, wake up, you old bum, and I'll be fine.
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[01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:20.000]  John Bush here with your Liberty Beat for Friday, August 9th, 2013.
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[01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.000]  And now the news.
[01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:55.000]  A law enforcement-sensitive force protection alert has been issued by the Texas military forces,
[01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.000]  citing the possibility of random terrorist attacks taking place in Austin, Texas,
[01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.000]  on or about August 8th through the 9th.
[01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.000]  The leaked report goes on to say,
[01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:10.000]  the Austin group plans to plant backpack-style bombs on 6th Street on either August 8th or 9th,
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.000]  and the group plans to attack a school and theological seminary in the downtown Austin area
[01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.000]  and complete the attack with operations at the Austin-Bergstrom International Airport.
[01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.000]  The threat assessment coincides with planned homeland security drills
[01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.000]  set to be taking place in Austin throughout the month of August.
[01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:30.000]  KXN reported on Wednesday that multiple law enforcement agencies will be taking part
[01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.000]  in homeland security exercises in Austin over the next few weeks.
[01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:39.000]  Austin residents are reporting the sighting of military helicopters flying low over rooftops.
[01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:43.000]  It remains to be seen whether the terror alert is related to the homeland security drills.
[01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.000]  The Liberty Beat is awaiting response to an open records request
[01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  put into the Austin Police Department regarding the drills.
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:53.000]  Austinites are curious as to why the public was not alerted to the details
[01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.000]  regarding the alleged terror threat, which is described as random,
[01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.000]  yet includes many details on potential targets.
[01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:03.000]  The Austin American statesman ran a story stating there existed a threat downtown,
[01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.000]  but did not divulge any details.
[01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.000]  Austinites are encouraged to remain vigilant and keep an eye out for terrorist activity
[01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.000]  stemming from private terrorist groups or government terrorists.
[01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.000]  We'll keep you in the loop as this story unfolds.
[01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:23.000]  A groundbreaking new marijuana legalization bill has passed Uruguay's House
[01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.000]  and is now up for vote in the Senate.
[01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.000]  The bill would establish guidelines for the production, distribution,
[01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.000]  and sale of cannabis to adult consumers.
[01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:35.000]  The bill has been reported to fix the price of marijuana to around $2.50 per gram.
[01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:40.000]  If the measure becomes law, it would establish a system similar to the Netherlands or Portugal,
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.000]  although the Uruguay bill provides for government control over the entire marijuana industry
[01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.000]  from cultivation to consumption.
[01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.000]  Individual citizens, cooperatives, and private companies can grow
[01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.000]  a specified amount of marijuana each month,
[01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  but it may only be sold to consumers by state-run pharmacies.
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[01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.000]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:32.000]  Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:38.000]  And we are talking to Debbie in California.
[01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:49.000]  And I am looking at a page that references California Code of Civil Procedure.
[01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:59.000]  This page that references California Code of Civil Procedure 377.
[01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:06.000]  Generally four years on most notes, six years for a negotiable note.
[01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.000]  That is not clear.
[01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:17.000]  I didn't get time to look up CCP 337, but that should tell you.
[01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:21.000]  It is going to be either four or six years.
[01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.000]  So you need to figure out, as close as you can,
[01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:34.000]  what the date was when the New Grace period ended.
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.000]  Okay, so hold on.
[01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.000]  This has got more, too.
[01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.000]  Statute of limitations on underlying note to provide evidences.
[01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:46.000]  I am finding code, but I am not finding the exact statute.
[01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.000]  Anyway, it is going to be four or six years.
[01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.000]  If it is four years, you have got them already.
[01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:56.000]  If it is six years, if you can hold them off until the sixth year,
[01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:05.000]  then was it early in 07 that you didn't pay or late?
[01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.000]  It was early.
[01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.000]  It was more like towards the end of 06, to be quite frank.
[01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.000]  But I am reading something here, Randy.
[01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:19.000]  In California, the statute of limitations for mortgage expires in four years.
[01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:21.000]  Does it list the statute?
[01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.000]  No.
[01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:30.000]  Okay, I am looking at one's Civil Procedure Code 312.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:36.000]  So look in Civil Procedure Code Section 300,
[01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.000]  and it looks like the limitations are under that section.
[01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.000]  I think 312 is just for contracts in general.
[01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:51.000]  But look under Section 300, you may find the one that lands right on it.
[01:05:51.000 --> 01:06:00.000]  But even if it is six years, if it was January of 06, you are already there.
[01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.000]  Right, right.
[01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:07.000]  Actually, if it was late 06, if it was early 07,
[01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.000]  you got them anyway because this is late 13.
[01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  Right.
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.000]  Even if it is six years, you are in there.
[01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.000]  You can move and make sure you find that statute,
[01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.000]  and then do a search online on the statute.
[01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:30.000]  You might put in the statute and put annotated behind it,
[01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  and then you will look up for annotations to the statute.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.000]  The annotations to the statute are case law.
[01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  Okay.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  Or you might put the statute and put case law and see what it comes up.
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:47.000]  Maybe it is better to cite case law that cites statute.
[01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000]  That will have more authority.
[01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  Okay.
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  Now you said yesterday that if the statute of limitation has ran out,
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  that you would recommend that I go and file something.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:03.000]  You said you would follow up on that.
[01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.000]  Well, okay.
[01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.000]  Have they taken an action toward foreclosure?
[01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  The last time they put a notice of trustee sale on my door was in 08.
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.000]  They posted one.
[01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:17.000]  Okay.
[01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:22.000]  Don't make a peep, not a sound.
[01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:23.000]  Okay.
[01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.000]  Wait until they do something.
[01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.000]  Okay.
[01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:32.000]  Then make sure the further you are past the statute of limitations, the better.
[01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  Okay.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:40.000]  So that they can't claim any kind of grace period or any kind of hiccup or excuse.
[01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:46.000]  If it's been since 08, then I would not poke this bear.
[01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  This bear is beyond their statute of limitations,
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:57.000]  and what you may do is get down there and get a deed of trust filed in the record.
[01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  If you know someone, you can write a deed of trust to or a warranty deed to,
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.000]  or if you can put together a trust.
[01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  And the way you do that is you put together a trust,
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.000]  and I hope the bad guys aren't listening to this.
[01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  You put together a trust where you are not the benefactor of the trust.
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:33.000]  You are not the beneficiary of the trust, and you are not the trustee.
[01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.000]  Those are the three positions it takes to create a trust.
[01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  Someone must be the benefactor, must put something into the trust, i.e. the property.
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.000]  Someone must be the beneficiary.
[01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:53.000]  They must be designated as the one to receive the benefit of the property.
[01:08:53.000 --> 01:09:03.000]  And then somebody else must receive legal title, and they stand as a trustee.
[01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:11.000]  And then you get a, the trustee has the power to dispose of the property.
[01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  But you get a private contract with the trustee making you managing director,
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.000]  taking all power away from the trustee, giving it back to you.
[01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.000]  Now here's where we go to the straw man thing.
[01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:32.000]  We have a lot of these Patriot guys talking about straw man, but that's a terrible metaphor.
[01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:39.000]  A much better way of thinking about the straw man is the way the Amish do.
[01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:46.000]  The Amish are very, very cognizant of the private side and the public side.
[01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:50.000]  The straw man is your public side.
[01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:57.000]  What these Patriot guys call the straw man, that's you when you're interacting with the public.
[01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:12.000]  The trust will necessarily be in the public because the warranty deed filed in the record will name the trust as the holder of the property.
[01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.000]  So it is in the public.
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.000]  But you have a private contract with the trustee.
[01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.000]  That is not in the public.
[01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:33.000]  So that's just between you and the trustee unless the trustee decides to try to take some action you haven't authorized.
[01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  Then you drag out the private contract and bring it into the public and use it to remove the trustee and replace him with another one.
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.000]  And then you put that back in the private.
[01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.000]  Does that make sense?
[01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.000]  Yes, somewhat.
[01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:58.000]  This way you have, when the bank looks at it, they'll see this warranty deed.
[01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:04.000]  And they'll see that you have granted the property to some trust.
[01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.000]  And you say, who's this trust?
[01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.000]  And they can find this person.
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.000]  Here's the person who's the benefactor.
[01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.000]  Here's the person who's the trustee.
[01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.000]  And here's the person who is the beneficiary.
[01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  And none of them are you.
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:32.000]  If one of them is you, primarily the benefactor or the trustee, then they can call that an alter ego and pierce the trust.
[01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:43.000]  But if none of them are you and none of them are related to you within a third degree of co-sanguinity, they're screwed.
[01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:44.000]  Okay.
[01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:50.000]  Now they can come and try to enforce that lien they have in the record.
[01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  And you can say, ah, nah, not.
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.000]  Default occurred back in 2006.
[01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:04.000]  You had six years in which to adjudicate the issue.
[01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  That six years has been passed at least nine months.
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:24.000]  So your time to foreclose as to prosecute the claim, the statute of limitations is run, the claim is a void.
[01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:31.000]  Now they could conceivably go to the court and sue you based on the note.
[01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:39.000]  Get a claim against you and then petition the court for a judgment against your property.
[01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.000]  Problem.
[01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.000]  They would get a lien against your property.
[01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:52.000]  And when it comes to lien, first in time is first in line.
[01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:54.000]  Now they bump into the warranty deed.
[01:12:54.000 --> 01:13:07.000]  So when they go to the court and try to get a claim against your property, if you have a warranty deed in the record, you're going to say what property?
[01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:11.000]  And they're going to say the property you bought with the money we gave you.
[01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.000]  Oh, well, I don't own that anymore.
[01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:19.000]  That trust over there owns that.
[01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  See the problem you create.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:29.000]  Now they may be able to pierce that trust, but that's going to be a tough, tough hurdle.
[01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:37.000]  You could also put a deed of trust in the record.
[01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:49.000]  You could put the trustee in there, I mean put the trust in there, and then grant yourself or someone else, not yourself, because if you grant yourself, they may be able to get to it.
[01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  Grant someone else a deed of trust.
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  So if they get a claim and they get a lien against your property and they try to file the lien, now they've got a warranty deed and another lien in front of them.
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:07.000]  That's almost insurmountable.
[01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.000]  That's kind of insurance.
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:18.000]  We take the rules that were put in place for this purpose and we use them to our advantage.
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.000]  This cheats no one.
[01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:36.000]  These guys, when they accepted the deed of trust, it had a provision in there under Covenant 16 that they would abide by all law.
[01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  One of those laws is if default occurs, you will prosecute the default within four to six years, whichever it turns out to be.
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:54.000]  If you didn't do that, you didn't do that voluntarily.
[01:14:54.000 --> 01:15:00.000]  So you have no claim.
[01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  That would be great fun.
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:16.000]  So if you do put a document, like a warranty deed or a deed of trust, you don't have to notify anybody.
[01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:23.000]  That claim that's in the record is void.
[01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:29.000]  The entity that filed that claim no longer has a claim against your property.
[01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.000]  You don't have to notice it.
[01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  You just stick it in there.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  If they then foreclose, then the trust could come back and sue the crapola out of them.
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:55.000]  Because the law says they have full knowledge of what has been filed in the court record, in the county registrar's office.
[01:15:55.000 --> 01:16:04.000]  If it's been filed in the public record, they have full knowledge of it, either direct full knowledge or imputed full knowledge.
[01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:08.000]  They can't claim they didn't know.
[01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.000]  Okay, does that make sense?
[01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.000]  Yes, yes it does. Now when should I work on this?
[01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:18.000]  Should I do this right away or should I just wait until they make a move?
[01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.000]  Do this right away. Get that in there.
[01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:26.000]  I'll explain a little bit more about it when we come back on the other side.
[01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.000]  We're about to go to break.
[01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:38.000]  We'll talk about how a document properly filed in the record is presumed to be valid until it's challenged in court.
[01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:39.000]  Okay.
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[01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:32.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deva Stevens, Wheel of Love Radio, and my producer.
[01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:43.000]  Just because I picked on him a little bit on the break is disparaging me. He's accusing me of telling you the date was October the 9th.
[01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:54.000]  That is just absolutely scurrilous. It is August the 9th. Okay, I'm a little brain dead today.
[01:19:54.000 --> 01:20:12.000]  Okay, Debra, about a filing in the record. At this point, you are considered under law to be the uncontested holder of the warranty deed to this property.
[01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:34.000]  You are the uncontested owner of the property. If anyone with authority by the record, authority to file documents affecting title, files a document affecting title,
[01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:48.000]  that document is presumed to be valid. In Texas, we have a statute that says if someone who is not granted authority by the public record,
[01:20:48.000 --> 01:21:01.000]  files a document affecting title, that document is presumed to be fraud or fraudulent. But you're not. You don't fall under that case.
[01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:12.000]  You are the uncontested holder of warranty deed to the property. If you file a document in the record affecting title, for instance, a warranty deed or a deed of trust,
[01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:24.000]  then that document is presumed to be valid. It stands as valid until challenged in the district court in a motion to try title.
[01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:43.000]  In Texas, we have a suit to try title. We have a petition for declaratory judgment, and we have a government code 51903 proceeding to test a document in the record.
[01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:56.000]  Other states will have, they'll all have declaratory judgment. Every state has a declaratory judgments act. That's so you can go to the court and ask them
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:06.000]  to give you a ruling where somebody is doing something that's absolutely forbidden by law. You can go to the judge without having to go through a lot of
[01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:20.000]  lawsuits and such and ask the court to demand that this person abide by law or in this case, we go to the court and show the court this document
[01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:32.000]  that's been filed in the record and show that by examining the four corners of this document and any other document filed in the record,
[01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:46.000]  it is clear on the face of this document that it is void and the judge can so rule. But until the judge so rules, that document stands as valid.
[01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  And when that document is filed in the record, everybody has imputed knowledge of its presence. If you don't look, your problem, not my problem.
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:03.000]  Okay. Does that make sense?
[01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.000]  Yes, it does.
[01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:13.000]  Okay. That's so that's what you want to get done. And when you file these, there's nothing they can come back at you with.
[01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:26.000]  And the way I suggest that you file these is we've been having problems with clerks in California have a more specific problem in that if a clerk
[01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:38.000]  improperly files a document, the clerk can be charged criminally. So the clerks have standing to raise an issue concerning a document.
[01:23:38.000 --> 01:24:07.000]  So what what we're thinking, you know, what I'm considering is how do we snooker the clerk and how we do this is, is we send the document with a return address of someone other than you, preferably someone out of with an out of state address and in their in their name with Esquire.
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:23.000]  Now, Esquire doesn't say you're a lawyer, but it implies you're a lawyer. So if you look at these documents, if you send me an email, I will send you a copy of a bunch of these that I've made up.
[01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.000]  Okay.
[01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  I've got a notice of default that I've made up and that notice of default on the top. There's a lot. There's a bunch of stuff on the top. There's a line underneath it. It says that what's above is for court use or whatever.
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:50.000]  But up there it has after recording return to it. It has an address. And that's where the lawyer would normally put their address.
[01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:55.000]  If they emailed it, they would have that up there because the.
[01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:03.000]  No, I don't think that I don't think they can electronic. They may be able to electronically file. If they electronically file, that's going to be up there.
[01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:16.000]  It'll give them an address and an email so that once they file it, they print out a copy, stamp it, scan it back in and email it back to the person.
[01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:26.000]  So you put a name and email address up there and they will think a lawyer sent this in because it looks just like all the rest of them that lawyers sent in.
[01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:35.000]  And if you're an out of state lawyer, then it's reasonable that you're not set up to do e-filing.
[01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:49.000]  And most of the smaller counties now will accept the actual document instead of a scan document and the clerk scans it themselves and then sends you back the original.
[01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:57.000]  So if they send it to a lawyer out of state, they won't be wondering why he didn't use electronic filing because he's out of state.
[01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:03.000]  He couldn't be set up for it. And it looks like a lawyer's address.
[01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:09.000]  So the clerk who's sitting here has got a stack of these about two feet high.
[01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:19.000]  He's pulling them out, stamp, stamp, files them, sticks one in the envelope, seals the envelope, puts it inside the file and just starts walking through this.
[01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:27.000]  If it looks like what the clerk expects to see, they'll not raise a question.
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:36.000]  Do not go down there yourself and file this or you'll throw up those red flags.
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:41.000]  You want them to just stamp this and walk through it like they do everything else.
[01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.000]  It just keeps you from having a fight with the clerk.
[01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:49.000]  But does it have to be notarized?
[01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:57.000]  Yeah. But you have it notarized when you create it.
[01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  Okay.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.000]  Yeah, whoever signs it has it notarized.
[01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:08.000]  If you're granting a warranty deed, then you sign it before a notary, have them notarize it,
[01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:15.000]  and then you give it to somebody out of state and have them mail it in with a stamped self-addressed return envelope
[01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:24.000]  and a notation on the top after recording return two and put an address up there, put the same address on the envelope,
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.000]  and the clerk will get it.
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:36.000]  They'll stamp it, scan it in, drop it in the envelope, send it back to you, and never look twice at it.
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:42.000]  This keeps us from having to struggle with the clerks, which we've been having some struggles.
[01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:46.000]  So I'm trying to find a way to avoid that.
[01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:52.000]  If the clerk refuses to file it, then there are other actions we can take.
[01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:56.000]  Then we can petition for declaratory judgment.
[01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:04.000]  And you go into the court, and since there is no opposing parties here,
[01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:12.000]  you notice the court that you are the uncontested holder, the warranty deed of the property,
[01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:19.000]  and it is your intent to file this, to transfer the property to someone else.
[01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:29.000]  Even if he sees the deed of trust in there, the deed of trust authorizes you to transfer it to someone else.
[01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:37.000]  If you get permission of the bank, then the person receiving it can pick up the note.
[01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:42.000]  If you don't, then the bank can foreclose immediately.
[01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:47.000]  So if the judge sees that, you know, this is not going to harm the bank,
[01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:53.000]  so the bank doesn't have any standing to raise an issue because you do have the right to transfer it.
[01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:59.000]  So it's just you and the judge and ask the judge to order the clerk to file this
[01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  so the clerk don't have to worry about getting in trouble.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:08.000]  That's what we do if we have to, but we want to try to avoid that.
[01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:12.000]  Okay, have we covered everything for you tonight?
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:16.000]  I just don't know anyone out of state that I can do that with, though.
[01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.000]  That's the only problem.
[01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:24.000]  Okay, send me an email. We will find someone.
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:28.000]  Okay, I just need your email address. Let me get it.
[01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:38.000]  Okay, Randy, R-E-N-D-Y, at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:42.000]  If you go to ruleoflawradio.com, click on it, you'll find my email there.
[01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.000]  You can just click on it directly.
[01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  Okay, we are going to break. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule Law Radio.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:30:00.000]  Call in number 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
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[01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:41.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:45.000]  Okay, my bad, forgot to mute.
[01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rue La Radio,
[01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:54.000]  and Deborah is going to beat me up for not muting the caller on the way out.
[01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.000]  I forget to do that sometime.
[01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:06.000]  Okay, Deborah, do we, anything else we need to address for you?
[01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  Any other questions?
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:13.000]  Well, you know, in California, are you sure that we're able to do that in California?
[01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:17.000]  Because I've never heard of anyone in California being able to, you know,
[01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  transfer the trust deed like that.
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.000]  I thought only the banks could do that.
[01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:27.000]  No, wait a minute, that's how the trust deed is always transferred.
[01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:31.000]  Not the trust deed, that's how the property is always transferred.
[01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:37.000]  I'm sorry, I'm saying warrant deed in California is called a grant deed.
[01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.000]  Okay, that okay.
[01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:43.000]  Okay, my bad, my bad.
[01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:46.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:51.000]  In most other places that's called a warranty deed, but in California it's called a grant deed.
[01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:59.000]  So you grant the property to someone else, and it's in the deed of trust that you can do that.
[01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:00.000]  Okay, okay.
[01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:07.000]  And if you do that according to the deed of trust, the bank has a couple of options.
[01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:13.000]  And because that's in there, the bank can't stop you from doing that.
[01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:20.000]  But according to the deed of trust, there are certain options they can elect if you do do that.
[01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:25.000]  But you're going to claim the deed of trust is void in any case.
[01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:37.000]  And frankly, we have about 15 or 20 claims we can make against the lender as concerns the deed of trust.
[01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:48.000]  Some of them claim that the deed of trust is void ab initio, one, because it's too ambiguous to be enforceable,
[01:35:48.000 --> 01:36:04.000]  two, that it's fraudulent on its face, and then we have a number of breaches of contract we can claim in every case.
[01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:10.000]  Notice of fees, we claimed that all the fees they filed, they put in the HUD-1 settlement statement.
[01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:17.000]  Since they didn't give you any invoices to show that the fees were valid, we maintained they were all fraudulent.
[01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:26.000]  And thereby, therefore, they violated covenant 14 of the deed of trust, which limits the fees that they can charge you.
[01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:29.000]  There's a whole bunch of things we can bring.
[01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:35.000]  Now what was that code that you said that I should look up? You said code 300 and 312?
[01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:41.000]  I think it was 337 of the California Civil Statutes.
[01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:43.000]  Oh, okay. Okay.
[01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:59.000]  I'm looking at 312, cal.civ.proc, California Civil Procedure Code at 312, and the other one I think was 337.
[01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:01.000]  Okay.
[01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:09.000]  So look those up, and those ought to give you the limitations, but it looks like it's going to be four years, so these guys are toast.
[01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:14.000]  Okay. Okay.
[01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:18.000]  Okay. Anything else, Debbie?
[01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:22.000]  That's it. Thank you so much, Randy. I appreciate you.
[01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.000]  You are most welcome.
[01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:31.000]  Okay. We are going to go to Dave in Delaware.
[01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  Hello, Dave.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:40.000]  Hello. I've just got a few things.
[01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:50.000]  In regards to Chris in Texas, if he's not charging money, he's not in commerce.
[01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:56.000]  He needs to do what Eddie Creed teaches, which is to say when he first gets pulled over,
[01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:07.000]  he needs to say, I reserve or I invoke my constitutionally protected right to remain silent.
[01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:19.000]  And the second thing he has to say is, I invoke or reserve my constitutionally protected right to counsel of choice.
[01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:30.000]  And the third thing he has to say is, Officer, do you intend to inflict injury or harm upon me
[01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:41.000]  for my private property in retaliation for my reserving my constitutionally protected rights?
[01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:52.000]  Yeah. I generally tell the officer, I see you're wearing a pistol. Tell me, is that pistol loaded?
[01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:56.000]  And they will generally say, yes, it is. I had one in Weatherford said,
[01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:01.000]  no, I'm not wearing a pistol without any bullets in it.
[01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:07.000]  So you just smart-mouthed me or is that thing got bullets in it? Yes, it's loaded.
[01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:12.000]  Are you prepared to pull that pistol on me?
[01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:17.000]  And if they say, yes, I am, I got it. That's enough. That's aggravated assault.
[01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:27.000]  Now about his state ID, it's a state photo ID. And your friend was correct to say, yes, but I'm not using it right now.
[01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:30.000]  There's another story where a lady asked for the driver's license.
[01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:38.000]  She put it face down on the dashboard and asked for the car registration and she put that face down on the dashboard.
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:42.000]  And then he asked for the proof of insurance and she put that face down on the dashboard.
[01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.000]  And the officer said, would you hand them through to me, please?
[01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:50.000]  And she said, well, I'm not authorized to do that. And they cannot reach in and take it.
[01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:53.000]  They have to trick you into voluntarily handing it to them.
[01:39:53.000 --> 01:40:06.000]  But he did comply by putting those documents face down on the dashboard. And if the guy had known that, he could have avoided the problems.
[01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:15.000]  The other thing is if he wants to know how to get his MSO back, his manufacturer's statement of origin back from the state, from the Department of Motor Vehicles,
[01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:28.000]  send an email to notaxman at DMV.com and I will send him a step-by-step procedure that's been developed by Ralph Winterhouse Research Group on how to reclaim
[01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:33.000]  and get your manufacturer's statement of origin back from the Department of Motor Vehicles.
[01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:36.000]  Will you send me an email to that effect?
[01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  You can take it to the state, not you. You're just operating the state's car.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:46.000]  No, no, no. You send me an email for your contact information.
[01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:58.000]  Okay. Now, getting back to the guy, the first guy that's called Larry, the first thing he should have done regarding the post office complaint,
[01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:07.000]  if he complains to the post office in writing in a complaint to the postmaster general and demand his money back, even though it was only a dollar or whatever,
[01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:12.000]  if he paid for the certified mail and did not get the signature on it,
[01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:19.000]  he can have more fun forcing the post office to inspect and investigate that they returned the card without the signature
[01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:25.000]  because when you start charging them money, they definitely get upset even though it's only a dollar or two.
[01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:27.000]  But the first thing he should have done-
[01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:35.000]  That's the whole idea is for them to get upset, is to generate ourselves a little politics.
[01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:45.000]  The post office has got a sweetheart deal with this jerk law firm so that they don't have to sign for all of these documents.
[01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:53.000]  So we jerk the post office around, kick them in the behind and make them jump through some hoops.
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:59.000]  They're going to go to these guys and say, you're going to have to sign these things because we're getting in trouble.
[01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:08.000]  Now, if he's worried about the 10-day time period, he can always just call on the telephone and ask them if they did, in fact, receive the letter.
[01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:15.000]  And then he hopefully has either a witness or an answering machine to record their answer that they did receive it.
[01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:24.000]  And then he doesn't have to worry about them claiming he did not reply within the time period if he's got them to admit, even though it's not signed on a card.
[01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  Well, he has the receipt from where he mailed it.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:36.000]  They will have stamped his little receipt that they pull off of it.
[01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:42.000]  So he can prove just by that that he's mailed it on that day.
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.000]  He's going to be covered anyway.
[01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:50.000]  He can do the whole thing a second time, resend it again, certified or delivery confirmation a second time,
[01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:55.000]  repeat the entire process to cover CYA, cover your ass.
[01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:56.000]  Yeah.
[01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:57.000]  Yeah, I agree.
[01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:04.000]  You should get yourself covered first, and then you can fight with them all you want to.
[01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  Right.
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:13.000]  And the last issue with Larry was he mentioned that the reason he was having this problem was because he had to discharge a claim of debt.
[01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:17.000]  I don't know if it was internal revenue service or who that was the claim of debt.
[01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:21.000]  No, this was a foreclosing law firm.
[01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:30.000]  They were asking him to confirm if he was in the military or if he was a tenant in the property,
[01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:40.000]  because there are special statutes and provisions that the foreclosing agent would have to consider in trying to foreclose in those circumstances.
[01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:48.000]  And if he didn't respond, that would be prima facie evidence that he was neither a tenant nor in the VA,
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.000]  and they wouldn't have to be stuck with those.
[01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:51.000]  Hang on.
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[01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:39.000]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Dave in Delaware.
[01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:46.000]  Okay, we were talking about Larry when we went out and his mail issue.
[01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:52.000]  Well, we went on to about the original problem was a debt claim by these lawyers
[01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:55.000]  asking him about whether he was a military or not, which is not the issue.
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:03.000]  If he just wants to discharge the debt, he can do that with an assignment of interest out of an indemnity bond
[01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:08.000]  if he gets the document called the Security Agreement Indemnity Bond Financing Statement
[01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.000]  from the Howard Griswold Research Group.
[01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:14.000]  And I know this works because I had a whole bunch of hospital bills,
[01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:20.000]  and I discharged all of them up to about $42,000 or $43,000 of hospital bills
[01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:27.000]  using this assignment of partial interest and just go to, well, just send an email to me,
[01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:32.000]  and I'll tell them how to do it, notexman at dnv.com, and I'll explain the process, very simple.
[01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  Okay, Howard Griswold does a show on Pastor Massey's network.
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:39.000]  Yes, he does.
[01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:43.000]  And I do a show on Pastor Massey's network.
[01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:44.000]  Oh, good.
[01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:47.000]  And I've talked to Howard a couple of times.
[01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:48.000]  Good.
[01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:51.000]  But I haven't got good information from him.
[01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:54.000]  I can't get him to quit selling.
[01:47:54.000 --> 01:48:03.000]  He keeps trying to sell me the process instead of explaining to me the process.
[01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:11.000]  I have been reluctant to propose the process until I can vet it out.
[01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:17.000]  So far, what I haven't got from Howard is underlying law.
[01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:18.000]  Oh.
[01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  I got ideas.
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  You know, even the problem I have with something that appears to work is a few years ago,
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:35.000]  we had a guy out of Florida, Mike Beider, who had this process at work.
[01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:37.000]  It was a 1099 OID.
[01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.000]  Oh, that, yeah.
[01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:41.000]  And it worked.
[01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:49.000]  He got a bunch of people to do it, and they got their debts, they got their money from the IRS,
[01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:53.000]  and then six months later, the sky fell in on them.
[01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:54.000]  Oh, yes.
[01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:58.000]  Mike Beider's in a federal penitentiary right now.
[01:48:58.000 --> 01:48:59.000]  So.
[01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.000]  Well, nobody's going to the jail.
[01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:06.000]  I've certainly not been contacted by the FBI for doing that in the hospital.
[01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  Well, what I'm concerned about is sometimes we do these things.
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:20.000]  Winston Shroud, the process that he used, it sometimes tricks out their computers,
[01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:27.000]  and it takes some time to catch up, where you take a process that was designed for one thing
[01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:29.000]  and use it for something else.
[01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:34.000]  That's exactly what the situation was with the 1099 OID.
[01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:39.000]  The 1099 OID was designed for a special purpose, and people were using it for that purpose.
[01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:44.000]  And then some folks come along and using it for a purpose that it wasn't intended for.
[01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:52.000]  And they hadn't written the trap into the program to detect that because the issue hadn't came up.
[01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:56.000]  So it took a while for a red flag to come up.
[01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:01.000]  And I'm not, you know, I know Howard's been around a long time.
[01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:07.000]  But I'm not going to promote anything until I've been able to vet it out.
[01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:11.000]  And I've tried a couple of times with Howard to vet it out.
[01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:15.000]  And so far I haven't been successful.
[01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:16.000]  Well, I'm sorry.
[01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:18.000]  He's been sick lately, so maybe that's the problem.
[01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:19.000]  Anyway.
[01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:21.000]  This was a year or so ago.
[01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:24.000]  And part of it is, you know, we're both researchers.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:32.000]  And he's used to people coming to him and asking him questions and accepting his answers.
[01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:34.000]  And I'm asking him questions.
[01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:40.000]  And then when he gives me an answer, I'm looking for foundation for the answer.
[01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:44.000]  He was kind of getting annoyed with me.
[01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:48.000]  I tried not to annoy him, but he's not used to that.
[01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:52.000]  I had the same problem with Ralph Winnerud.
[01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:56.000]  I had a friend of mine, Art Patton.
[01:50:56.000 --> 01:51:02.000]  He called me and he said, I listened to your show the other day,
[01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:10.000]  and I heard two of my favorite people on earth on your show, you and Ralph Winnerud.
[01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.000]  I said, oh, you heard that, did you?
[01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:13.000]  He said, yes, I did.
[01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.000]  You were crawling right down his throat.
[01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:22.000]  Well, yeah, as a matter of fact, I was, because he came on the show.
[01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:27.000]  Now, don't let this sound like I'm disparaging Howard Griswold.
[01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.000]  I mean, Ralph Winnerud, I am not.
[01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:34.000]  Ralph Winnerud is a great researcher.
[01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:39.000]  What he's not good at is taking what's in his mind
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:46.000]  and clearly transferring it from his mind to somebody else's.
[01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:48.000]  And we get that a lot.
[01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:54.000]  When we spend too much time by ourselves digging and researching,
[01:51:54.000 --> 01:52:00.000]  we forget about things like referential index and context.
[01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:05.000]  And he would come on the show saying how, oh, don't use the statutes.
[01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:07.000]  The statutes don't apply.
[01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:09.000]  I said, well, what applies, Ralph?
[01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  The Constitution, I said, what about the Constitution?
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:13.000]  Oh, the Constitution doesn't apply.
[01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:14.000]  Well, what applies, Ralph?
[01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.000]  Well, you have to go to the National Register.
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:19.000]  I said, well, that's really nice, Ralph.
[01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:23.000]  The National Register, it's about 35,000 pages.
[01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:26.000]  You want to be a little bit more specific?
[01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:30.000]  Well, you just have to go to the National Register.
[01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:33.000]  And that's when I kind of come and booed on him.
[01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:38.000]  You come on my show telling people that the statutes don't apply.
[01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:41.000]  These people are going to act like the statutes don't apply,
[01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.000]  and the police are going to act like they do apply,
[01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:46.000]  and the judges are going to act like they do apply,
[01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:49.000]  and they're going to act like they throw them in jail.
[01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  And it's going to feel like they threw them in jail,
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:58.000]  and then you're going to tell them, oh, well, you missed this minor point.
[01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:01.000]  So look, come on here and tell us this crap, all of us,
[01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:03.000]  unless you give us all the story.
[01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:05.000]  And he hung up on me.
[01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  Well, he's got some new research that the lawyers have set aside.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:13.000]  All of the codes are subordinate to the court rules.
[01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:19.000]  The court rules Trump statute now, Ralph's research has revealed.
[01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:21.000]  Isn't that it?
[01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:27.000]  I've heard this kind of thing before, and I need to look at it.
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.000]  Actively, that's how it's kind of always been,
[01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:38.000]  and that's a vestige of the common law left over from Old England.
[01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:41.000]  The statute is what the statute is,
[01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:48.000]  and then the case law defines the intent of the legislature
[01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  in a particular situation because the statute is not designed
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:54:00.000]  to address every possible permutation of facts.
[01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:08.000]  And to that degree, it's not that the case law trumps the statute,
[01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:14.000]  but explains the statute and attempts to apply the statute
[01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:17.000]  in a given situation or circumstance.
[01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:25.000]  So it appears to trump the statute, but if the case law comes to a conclusion
[01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:30.000]  that's in defiance of the statute, then we challenge the case law.
[01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:33.000]  And there's going to be bad case law out there,
[01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:36.000]  and we do need to challenge it from time to time,
[01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:43.000]  but I haven't seen anything that has changed the basic underlying nature of law.
[01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:51.000]  I hear these, and I would certainly be open to Ralph's research on that
[01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:58.000]  because I'm always looking for new stuff, and I don't have any kind of axe to grind.
[01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:04.000]  I did a show with Winston Trout once, and he's talking about the commercial process,
[01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:08.000]  and I said, Winston, I've been doing this show for five, six years now,
[01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  and I really like the idea of using the commercial process,
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:17.000]  but nobody's ever been able to give me the law behind it.
[01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:20.000]  Pastor Massad set me up on this one.
[01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:26.000]  He set me up to hammer Winston because Winston's explaining his process,
[01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:31.000]  and I said, Winston, I'm a creature of statute.
[01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:35.000]  I design remedies that people can use in the courts.
[01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:39.000]  So tell me, Winston, what is the underlying law
[01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:45.000]  in support of these proactive statements that you're making?
[01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:51.000]  He said, well, I don't know if you'll find any.
[01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:58.000]  And let me preface that with, I really liked Winston,
[01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:01.000]  and I liked his sincerity.
[01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.000]  He said, I don't know that there is any.
[01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:08.000]  And I said, well, where did you come up with this?
[01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:14.000]  He said, well, I figured it out.
[01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:15.000]  You figured it out.
[01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:19.000]  So what you're telling me is, essentially, you made it up.
[01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:24.000]  And this long pause, and to Winston's credit, he said,
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.000]  well, I guess, yeah, you could say I made it up.
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  I said, Winston, I can't go into court without making it up.
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:39.000]  I need law.
[01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:43.000]  And Winston really handled me well.
[01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:48.000]  I really liked Winston.
[01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  The issue certification of that they are holding the actual title,
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:54.000]  and they give us a certificate of title,
[01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.000]  which is acknowledgment that they are holding the actual title,
[01:56:57.000 --> 01:56:59.000]  the manufacturer's statement of origin,
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:04.000]  and they're just issuing us a use permit called a certificate of title,
[01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:08.000]  but they hold the actual title, which is the MSO.
[01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:11.000]  Yeah, the state is holding the actual title,
[01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:17.000]  and they're maintaining a claim against the property.
[01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:23.000]  And by getting the MSO, you get the property without a state claim against it.
[01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:28.000]  And yeah, I understand that, and I'd like to see the procedure for how to do that.
[01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:32.000]  You know, I have one that I purchased, I paid, bought it new.
[01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:33.000]  It's paid for.
[01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:36.000]  I want the MSO.
[01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.000]  That's the way to do it.
[01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:43.000]  And what I was thinking was suing the dealer.
[01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:48.000]  For collusion and conspiracy to defraud you by not giving you the bill of sale.
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.000]  I bought that car.
[01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:52.000]  I paid for it.
[01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:54.000]  Nobody has a claim against that car from me.
[01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:57.000]  What do you mean giving the state a claim against my car?
[01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  They stole your ownership by giving your manufacturer's statement of origin
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:05.000]  to some other third party without the just compensation required by the Fifth Amendment.
[01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.000]  Exactly.
[01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:11.000]  It was one of the battles that I haven't been able to get to yet.
[01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.000]  I've got more fights that I can get to.
[01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:14.000]  Okay, hang on.
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