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[00:12.000 --> 00:20.000]  John Bush here with your Liberty Beat, this Thursday, July 19, 2013.
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[00:43.000 --> 00:45.000]  And now the news.
[00:45.000 --> 00:50.000]  Thursday, Texas Governor Rick Perry signed a controversial abortion bill into law.
[00:50.000 --> 00:55.000]  Beginning 90 days after the special legislative session ends, most abortions will be banned after 20 weeks.
[00:55.000 --> 01:01.000]  The bill also set standards for abortion performed in clinics and hospitals being enacted by September 2014.
[01:01.000 --> 01:04.000]  State Senator Glenn Hager, Republican of Katy, said,
[01:04.000 --> 01:07.000]  this will literally change the lives of millions in Texas.
[01:07.000 --> 01:11.000]  Opponents of the bill continued their protests in the rotunda of the Capitol building,
[01:11.000 --> 01:19.000]  chanting, the blood of Texas women is on your hands.
[01:19.000 --> 01:23.000]  The latest in the ongoing saga surrounding journalist Michael Hastings' death
[01:23.000 --> 01:28.000]  includes new information that Hastings' body was cremated against the wishes of his family.
[01:28.000 --> 01:31.000]  According to Kimberly Dvorak of CW6 in San Diego,
[01:31.000 --> 01:35.000]  Hastings' friend and confidant, Sergeant Joe Biggs, said,
[01:35.000 --> 01:38.000]  Michael Hastings' body was returned to Vermont in an urn.
[01:38.000 --> 01:42.000]  San Diego 6 News has filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the police report,
[01:42.000 --> 01:49.000]  911 call, autopsy, bomb squad, and toxicology reports that they say continue to be ignored by the LAPD.
[01:49.000 --> 01:54.000]  Suspicions surrounding Hastings' death began to arise when it was revealed that he had sent out an email to friends
[01:54.000 --> 02:00.000]  15 hours before his car crash stating that he was on to a big story and needed to go off the radar for a bit.
[02:00.000 --> 02:04.000]  WikiLeaks also reported that Hastings had contacted them a few hours before his death
[02:04.000 --> 02:12.000]  complaining of being under investigation by the FBI.
[02:12.000 --> 02:16.000]  Citizens are planning to stage a demonstration Sunday in the River Oaks neighborhood
[02:16.000 --> 02:19.000]  in response to the Trayvon Martin shooting verdict.
[02:19.000 --> 02:22.000]  Demonstrators accused the affluent neighborhood of having a history of racial profiling.
[02:22.000 --> 02:26.000]  A Facebook page has been created to plan a counter-protest with gun owners
[02:26.000 --> 02:29.000]  with concealed handgun permits encouraged to bring their weapons.
[02:29.000 --> 02:32.000]  This has prompted Houston Police Department Chief Charles McClellan
[02:32.000 --> 02:35.000]  to warn counter-protesters not to attend and to remain peaceful.
[02:35.000 --> 02:39.000]  Trayvon Martin was shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman last year.
[02:39.000 --> 02:41.000]  Zimmerman was found not guilty this past Sunday,
[02:41.000 --> 02:45.000]  and protests have been taking place around the country ever since.
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[03:34.020 --> 03:38.020]  What you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:38.020 --> 03:44.020]  When you were eight and you had bad traits You'd go to school and learn the golden rule
[03:44.020 --> 03:49.020]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot then you must get cool
[03:49.020 --> 03:54.020]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.020 --> 04:00.020]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:00.020 --> 04:05.020]  You chuck it on that one, you chuck it on this one You chuck it on your mother and you chuck it on your father
[04:05.020 --> 04:11.020]  You chuck it on your brother and you chuck it on your sister You chuck it on that one and you chuck it on me
[04:11.020 --> 04:16.020]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:16.020 --> 04:22.020]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:22.020 --> 04:27.020]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do when they come for you?
[04:27.020 --> 04:46.360]  Alright, we're going to have Randy on here shortly, we just had a couple of technical
[04:46.360 --> 04:51.580]  difficulties so this is Rural Law Radio, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens and he will be on
[04:51.580 --> 04:56.500]  here pretty quick, we're just having a few difficulties, this is Larry Weiss, I was just
[04:56.500 --> 05:01.620]  sent in for Axie and for Liberty but he's about to be on here so, y'all just give him
[05:01.620 --> 05:06.940]  a few minutes folks, sometimes we do run into those technical issues and we get them resolved
[05:06.940 --> 05:09.700]  as quickly as we can.
[05:09.700 --> 05:11.580]  We got Randy there yet?
[05:11.580 --> 05:12.580]  I have been here.
[05:12.580 --> 05:19.060]  Alright, alright brother, I tried to bring your cell phone in for you.
[05:19.060 --> 05:26.340]  Okay, it has been a little hairy getting on so I'm on my cell phone, I'll shift over to
[05:26.340 --> 05:31.580]  my headset here in a second, maybe I'll get better sound, I had to go out in the car and
[05:31.580 --> 05:32.580]  get it.
[05:32.580 --> 05:36.580]  Isn't technology great when it works?
[05:36.580 --> 05:42.620]  Okay, hang on just a second.
[05:42.620 --> 05:46.940]  Alright everybody, he'll be back here in just a second, he's going to get set up and like
[05:46.940 --> 05:51.980]  he said, technology is great, when it's working it's great but boy when it ain't, it just
[05:51.980 --> 05:57.220]  makes you, it always fails at the time you need it, that's when it always fails, right
[05:57.220 --> 06:02.460]  when you need it, like right when you're about to go on a show, that's when it fails, so
[06:02.460 --> 06:03.460]  he...
[06:03.460 --> 06:14.460]  Oh, it's, the sound quality is not very good.
[06:14.460 --> 06:21.980]  Well that's odd, that's usually very good, was it better without the headset?
[06:21.980 --> 06:26.620]  Uh, Woods, if you're in your headset right now, if you're not on it, it sounds pretty
[06:26.620 --> 06:27.620]  good right now.
[06:27.620 --> 06:32.660]  Okay, okay, I was outside, you were probably picking up background noise.
[06:32.660 --> 06:39.740]  Okay, this is our Friday night info marathon.
[06:39.740 --> 06:47.940]  We will have the phones open all night and frankly here lately we've been having some
[06:47.940 --> 06:56.460]  pretty good court rulings, but not always rulings totally in our favor, but we're beginning
[06:56.460 --> 07:05.420]  to get rulings by judges that indicate that they are beginning to actually pay attention
[07:05.420 --> 07:15.420]  to the pleadings that we're filing and in the long run this foreclosure problem that
[07:15.420 --> 07:25.500]  we've been having may actually turn out to be to our advantage because so many of the
[07:25.500 --> 07:35.780]  last figures I heard was in 2008 when this really began in earnest, about three percent
[07:35.780 --> 07:48.780]  of the properties foreclosed on were, what are called, defended, were resisted and now
[07:48.780 --> 07:59.540]  it's 45 percent, so the courts are getting a lot of these cases, they're getting pretty
[07:59.540 --> 08:03.500]  much these same arguments over and over and over.
[08:03.500 --> 08:09.220]  When they first began hearing these arguments the courts just ignored them, but now that
[08:09.220 --> 08:13.940]  they're hearing them over and over they're beginning to pay attention to it, so I think
[08:13.940 --> 08:21.500]  that's turning out all in all to be a good thing, that we may actually come out of this
[08:21.500 --> 08:29.980]  courts a lot more responsive to the pro se litigants and I'm doing my best to see that
[08:29.980 --> 08:38.820]  that happens because the electronic lawyer project is beginning to come together.
[08:38.820 --> 08:49.860]  If I can get that implemented then the pro se will have access to the technology that
[08:49.860 --> 08:58.380]  will give them pretty much the legal arguments and case law they need to address their issues.
[08:58.380 --> 09:02.660]  Just by going through a questionnaire it will walk them down through all the elements and
[09:02.660 --> 09:08.140]  when it's done it will give them an evaluation of the case and they will pretty well have
[09:08.140 --> 09:17.900]  all the elements of the case addressed so they can fight the case in a more consistent
[09:17.900 --> 09:26.500]  and well structured manner and then if we can teach enough of these pro se's how to
[09:26.500 --> 09:36.620]  be the pro se from hell, well, we may really begin to get the courts attention.
[09:36.620 --> 09:43.620]  It appears as though we're doing that now and the more people we could get taking on
[09:43.620 --> 09:51.140]  these judges and lawyers and holding them to the rule of law it's still just professional
[09:51.140 --> 09:52.140]  courtesy.
[09:52.140 --> 10:04.860]  Right now lawyers do what lawyers do, lawyers do what's best for them and their practice,
[10:04.860 --> 10:11.820]  what's best for their relationship with the courts, then what's best for their relationship
[10:11.820 --> 10:20.140]  with other lawyers and then they do what's best for their client.
[10:20.140 --> 10:29.420]  Okay, he's telling me that I've got lots of static and he can't hear me so I'm going
[10:29.420 --> 10:51.740]  to try another technology here, okay, Chris if you're up let me know on the producers
[10:51.740 --> 11:04.820]  mic if you can hear me or not, okay, I'm trying to connect in on another technology
[11:04.820 --> 11:11.980]  and it seems as though nothing is working today, just having one of those days it appears
[11:11.980 --> 11:18.860]  so I'm not getting any feedback from the producers so I'm going to assume that he can hear me
[11:18.860 --> 11:19.860]  and keep going.
[11:19.860 --> 11:32.900]  We do have a caller on the line, let me check and see if I'm on, okay, I'm still up,
[11:32.900 --> 11:47.340]  caller's on, okay, I'm off the headset, I'm hoping that sounds better but I'm getting
[11:47.340 --> 11:54.780]  a lot of feedback on my side, problem is I don't know if you can hear me, if you can
[11:54.780 --> 11:59.860]  hear me I see Beverly from Maine, maybe I can go to Beverly from Maine, maybe we can
[11:59.860 --> 12:00.860]  hear Beverly.
[12:00.860 --> 12:01.860]  Beverly are you there?
[12:01.860 --> 12:04.860]  Hi there, can you hear me?
[12:04.860 --> 12:13.060]  Okay, you can hear me, okay, Beverly give me one minute, I'm going to break this connection
[12:13.060 --> 12:15.900]  and call right back in, maybe I'll get a better connection.
[12:15.900 --> 12:18.900]  All right.
[12:18.900 --> 12:48.820]  I can't hear myself coming up on the bridge but Beverly can you hear me?
[12:48.820 --> 12:53.820]  Okay, can you hear me now?
[12:53.820 --> 12:54.820]  I can.
[12:54.820 --> 13:05.260]  Ah, there we go, okay, it seemed to have gotten a better connection, okay, okay, I am still
[13:05.260 --> 13:11.380]  getting a lot of status, I may have a little difficult hearing, okay, Beverly what do you
[13:11.380 --> 13:12.380]  have for us today?
[13:12.380 --> 13:23.740]  I have a question about filing a criminal complaint against the judge, do you want to
[13:23.740 --> 13:24.740]  come?
[13:24.740 --> 13:29.140]  Okay, what is the nature of the complaint?
[13:29.140 --> 13:38.140]  Oh, just a theory lengthy but lots of violations, they took my social security number and took
[13:38.140 --> 13:45.540]  my property so they violated my Bill right, they violated all kinds of things.
[13:45.540 --> 13:56.140]  Okay, if you have a case that's ongoing, one of the problems we have in filing complaints
[13:56.140 --> 14:08.180]  is we get so many of them and so it's hard to say which one to file, have you written
[14:08.180 --> 14:17.460]  out a timeline or a complete statement of facts?
[14:17.460 --> 14:22.460]  I try and I was told that it was loaded with emotions so.
[14:22.460 --> 14:28.300]  Okay, yeah, it's really tough, that's why I asked for a timeline first, generally instead
[14:28.300 --> 14:35.780]  of a statement of facts because the statement of facts, it's really emotional, you have
[14:35.780 --> 14:43.860]  a lot of emotion invested in decision and you tend to move from one emotional high point
[14:43.860 --> 14:51.620]  to the next so it makes it hard for you to put all this together in a way that somebody
[14:51.620 --> 14:57.700]  else can look at it and make sense of because they really don't, you know, they don't
[14:57.700 --> 15:01.940]  have the referential index that you do.
[15:01.940 --> 15:07.260]  So what I suggest you do is build a timeline, just the dates.
[15:07.260 --> 15:14.300]  I did that and I spoke with one of your people a very long time ago and I lost touch with
[15:14.300 --> 15:21.980]  him but I came across the form and I felt I made my own and I'm getting ready to send
[15:21.980 --> 15:29.340]  it, criminal accusations by third parties for the judge and there was a Michael something
[15:29.340 --> 15:32.500]  around here.
[15:32.500 --> 15:39.980]  I have a John Donnelly and that was the judge guy, Christopher Campanella.
[15:39.980 --> 15:44.380]  Oh, that was a long time ago.
[15:44.380 --> 15:48.740]  Are you familiar with the website Jurisimprudence.com?
[15:48.740 --> 15:51.500]  Not really.
[15:51.500 --> 16:09.620]  Okay, I'd write that down, that's J-U-R-I-S-I-M-prudence, P-R-U-D-E-N-T-E.com, Jurisimprudence.com.
[16:09.620 --> 16:12.940]  Right.
[16:12.940 --> 16:19.260]  That site, that's my personal site and it has a lot of the criminal complaints that
[16:19.260 --> 16:28.540]  I have filed and it will give you a good idea of how we file these complaints.
[16:28.540 --> 16:35.780]  It's difficult but when you file a complaint you have to get out all of the legal opinion,
[16:35.780 --> 16:43.900]  all of the, especially all of the amongst the girls who make it really hard for the other
[16:43.900 --> 16:46.420]  side to put creeds in the complaint.
[16:46.420 --> 16:50.100]  Hang on, we're about to go to break, I'll explain this more fully when we come back
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[20:07.380 --> 20:27.860]  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
[20:27.860 --> 20:29.340]  My name is Steve Skidmore.
[20:29.340 --> 20:33.420]  Randy Kelton is having major difficulties back there on his end, so I've been asked
[20:33.420 --> 20:38.940]  to come in and see if we can salvage the show here.
[20:38.940 --> 20:47.500]  Not knowing where we were at, I believe Beverly in Maine... Beverly, are you with us?
[20:47.500 --> 20:48.500]  I am.
[20:48.500 --> 20:49.500]  Yes, ma'am.
[20:49.500 --> 20:50.500]  Hi, I'm Steve.
[20:50.500 --> 20:56.820]  Randy's back there tightening up screws and pounding in nails, I guess.
[20:56.820 --> 21:05.620]  While he's doing that, can you bring... I don't know exactly where you are in your situation.
[21:05.620 --> 21:08.580]  Can you bring me back up to speed?
[21:08.580 --> 21:09.580]  All right.
[21:09.580 --> 21:10.580]  I'm buck angry.
[21:10.580 --> 21:20.220]  I'm getting ready to file an updated criminal complaint, a citizen's criminal complaint,
[21:20.220 --> 21:22.380]  and I actually have an old form.
[21:22.380 --> 21:29.660]  That was a Randy Kelton that was sent to me a long time ago by Christopher Campanella,
[21:29.660 --> 21:33.980]  and the reason for that is these people have got to leave me alone.
[21:33.980 --> 21:39.140]  They've been dragging me to court for 18 years, and the most recent thing they did was take
[21:39.140 --> 21:44.740]  my social security number and take my property, draw up a deed.
[21:44.740 --> 21:49.940]  Okay, so you're going to file criminal charges on who?
[21:49.940 --> 21:50.940]  The judge?
[21:50.940 --> 21:54.580]  The judge, the clerk, and the attorney who drew up the deed.
[21:54.580 --> 21:55.580]  Gotcha.
[21:55.580 --> 21:56.580]  Gotcha.
[21:56.580 --> 21:57.580]  Okay.
[21:57.580 --> 22:02.180]  I'm going to take it you're going to file your criminal complaints, each one individually
[22:02.180 --> 22:07.380]  against these individuals, and you'll probably be filing them with the grand jury?
[22:07.380 --> 22:09.060]  No.
[22:09.060 --> 22:11.980]  I don't know anything about a grand jury here.
[22:11.980 --> 22:12.980]  I was going to file...
[22:12.980 --> 22:13.980]  Okay.
[22:13.980 --> 22:17.980] ... a judiciary, because I don't think we have a grand jury in Maine.
[22:17.980 --> 22:18.980]  I see.
[22:18.980 --> 22:19.980]  Okay.
[22:19.980 --> 22:20.980]  I don't think in Texas.
[22:20.980 --> 22:29.940]  See, I wish Randy's equipment was acting better, because this is an area that is not my forte.
[22:29.940 --> 22:35.340]  Criminal law is actually not my stronger suit.
[22:35.340 --> 22:40.580]  Steve, can you hear me?
[22:40.580 --> 22:41.580]  Barely.
[22:41.580 --> 22:43.580]  Yeah, go ahead.
[22:43.580 --> 22:52.700]  Okay, Beverly, what you need to do first is look at the law concerning grand juries or
[22:52.700 --> 22:58.100]  concerning how to file criminal complaints in Maine.
[22:58.100 --> 23:07.220]  You will have a penal code for Maine and a code of criminal procedure or criminal procedure
[23:07.220 --> 23:10.100]  code, however they designate it.
[23:10.100 --> 23:16.780]  The criminal procedure code will designate how all of this is done.
[23:16.780 --> 23:21.860]  We can tell you how it works in Texas, but can't tell you how it works in Maine.
[23:21.860 --> 23:28.900]  If you don't have a grand jury, there are still ways of going after these guys.
[23:28.900 --> 23:34.580]  We did a lot of work in Pennsylvania, and they don't have a grand jury, but when they
[23:34.580 --> 23:41.660]  don't have a grand jury, they will have other procedures to ensure justice.
[23:41.660 --> 23:46.980]  Now, that doesn't mean any of these guys are just or good guys.
[23:46.980 --> 23:56.060]  They're all a bunch of lousy scumbag criminals, and that's part of the reason you will find
[23:56.060 --> 24:03.940]  tools in there to use to protect yourself, because these guys are scumbags, and they
[24:03.940 --> 24:09.820]  know that everybody else is a scumbag, so they have to have ways of protecting themselves
[24:09.820 --> 24:13.660]  from each other.
[24:13.660 --> 24:15.260]  Look at the code.
[24:15.260 --> 24:20.980]  If you don't have a grand jury, then you take a criminal complaint and file it with
[24:20.980 --> 24:23.900]  a prosecuting attorney.
[24:23.900 --> 24:29.900]  The prosecuting attorney is going to refuse to prosecute, that's the standard procedure.
[24:29.900 --> 24:34.380]  What he does, then you make up a criminal complaint against the prosecuting attorney
[24:34.380 --> 24:44.300]  and take it to a preferably highest level judge in the district, and accuse the prosecutor
[24:44.300 --> 24:52.140]  not of exercising prosecutorial discretion, which they have.
[24:52.140 --> 25:01.140]  I've never seen prosecutorial discretion in statutes, but it's almost always in the case
[25:01.140 --> 25:12.740]  law where the judges, in order to facilitate the adjudication of cases, they have said,
[25:12.740 --> 25:23.620]  the prosecutor's got to prosecute, so he should have some discretion in determining
[25:23.620 --> 25:27.500]  what to prosecute and what not to prosecute.
[25:27.500 --> 25:33.580]  That all sounds really logical and reasonable, but for the most part, it is really, really
[25:33.580 --> 25:42.020]  a bad idea, and that's why most states have grand juries, but if you don't have a grand
[25:42.020 --> 25:51.660]  jury, the state is going to have a procedure so that you can protect yourself from a corrupt
[25:51.660 --> 25:53.660]  prosecutor.
[25:53.660 --> 25:58.380]  An example is Pennsylvania.
[25:58.380 --> 26:07.180]  In Pennsylvania, a prosecuting attorney is specifically given prosecutorial discretion.
[26:07.180 --> 26:13.860]  He has the right to determine whether or not he believes there is sufficient evidence
[26:13.860 --> 26:21.220]  to believe that a crime has been committed, so he can decide whether or not he thinks
[26:21.220 --> 26:23.220]  there's enough evidence.
[26:23.220 --> 26:31.900]  However, the problem he has is, if you have a corrupt prosecutor, what do you do?
[26:31.900 --> 26:33.900]  How do you protect yourself?
[26:33.900 --> 26:44.340]  Because the prosecutor is given discretion, the citizen is given standing, so if the prosecutor
[26:44.340 --> 26:55.220]  refuses to prosecute, you can appeal to the Court of Common Pleas to appeal to a judge,
[26:55.220 --> 26:59.900]  and if that judge refuses to prosecute, you can appeal to the next level all the way up
[26:59.900 --> 27:02.700]  to the Supreme Court.
[27:02.700 --> 27:10.700]  You are either going to have a grand jury, or you are going to have a procedure of some
[27:10.700 --> 27:19.420]  sort to where you can secure remedy when the prosecutor fails to perform his duties.
[27:19.420 --> 27:24.860]  So before we can help you, before we can really tell you anything to do, you really need to
[27:24.860 --> 27:32.460]  look at the law in Maine concerning how to file criminal complaints.
[27:32.460 --> 27:38.860]  What the duty of the prosecution is, read that real carefully.
[27:38.860 --> 27:46.180]  In Texas, under duties of officers, the first one they address is the prosecuting attorney.
[27:46.180 --> 27:52.900]  The very first statute says it shall be the primary duty of the prosecuting attorney not
[27:52.900 --> 27:57.380]  to secure the conviction, but to ensure that justice is served.
[27:57.380 --> 28:02.700]  Steve, am I still there?
[28:02.700 --> 28:05.700]  I can't see a clock yet.
[28:05.700 --> 28:06.700]  Yeah, you're there.
[28:06.700 --> 28:07.700]  Okay, okay.
[28:07.700 --> 28:08.700]  Just let me know.
[28:08.700 --> 28:09.700]  Yeah, you're coming through just fine.
[28:09.700 --> 28:10.700]  You sound like your own cell phone, but you're coming through just fine.
[28:10.700 --> 28:11.700]  I am on a cell phone.
[28:11.700 --> 28:12.700]  I'm rebooting my own system.
[28:12.700 --> 28:13.700]  I was just concerned that I was getting close to the clock, and I'm trying to bring the
[28:13.700 --> 28:14.700]  clock up now, so I don't know where I'm at.
[28:14.700 --> 28:15.700]  Okay.
[28:15.700 --> 28:16.700]  There's going to be a remedy.
[28:16.700 --> 28:17.700]  You've got a minute and a half.
[28:17.700 --> 28:18.700]  There's going to be a remedy.
[28:18.700 --> 28:19.700]  You just got to call the police.
[28:19.700 --> 28:34.780]  So even law creating, ours starts out by saying it shall be the primary duty of the prosecuting
[28:34.780 --> 28:38.940]  attorney not to secure the conviction, but to ensure that justice is served.
[28:38.940 --> 28:46.020]  And then the second one tells you the prosecuting attorney handles these kind of cases.
[28:46.020 --> 28:53.860]  The district attorney handles these kind of cases, and then 203 is a specific statute
[28:53.860 --> 28:59.180]  that orders the prosecuting attorney in the matter of a criminal complaint against a public
[28:59.180 --> 29:00.180]  official.
[29:00.180 --> 29:01.180]  He must give it to a grand jury.
[29:01.180 --> 29:06.180]  204, 205, 206, these all define his duties.
[29:06.180 --> 29:11.780]  You need to find those for the man and re-do them a time.
[29:11.780 --> 29:19.820]  If you re-do them twice, you would probably know them better than prosecutors.
[29:19.820 --> 29:26.380]  Because if they don't read it, they really don't pay any attention to law.
[29:26.380 --> 29:30.540]  They get in the prosecutor's office, and the prosecutors that are already there tell
[29:30.540 --> 29:31.540]  them how they can do it.
[29:31.540 --> 29:32.540]  This is how we do it.
[29:32.540 --> 29:33.540]  Nobody pays attention to law.
[29:33.540 --> 29:34.540]  They just care about how it's been done.
[29:34.540 --> 29:35.540]  And that costs a lot.
[29:35.540 --> 29:47.580]  We've got music coming up on us, Randy, we've got 15 seconds to break, folks.
[29:47.580 --> 29:49.780]  We've got the phones turned on right now.
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[29:56.380 --> 29:59.260]  I'm your co-host, Steve Skidmore, here setting in for...
[29:59.260 --> 30:05.540]  The Bill of Rights contains the first 10 amendments of our Constitution.
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[30:49.540 --> 30:54.820]  Think about the number six as implicated in evil, as in the biblical 666.
[30:54.820 --> 30:58.980]  So it would fit right in that the Seventh Amendment would be about civil trials.
[30:58.980 --> 31:01.380]  Civil seven, civil trials, get it?
[31:01.380 --> 31:05.580]  Civil trials are ones where people sue instead of beating each other up over a dispute, like
[31:05.580 --> 31:07.700]  the dividing line between properties.
[31:07.700 --> 31:12.220]  They take their dispute to a courthouse and settle matters civilly without the fisticuffs.
[31:12.220 --> 31:16.300]  The Seventh Amendment guarantees that Americans have the right to a jury in certain civil
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[33:15.180 --> 33:34.660]  I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the head government them, prosecute them.
[33:34.660 --> 33:35.660]  Okay.
[33:35.660 --> 33:36.660]  Okay.
[33:36.660 --> 33:45.660]  This is Dooling Moderators.
[33:45.660 --> 33:59.940]  Dooling Moderators, there you go.
[33:59.940 --> 34:05.580]  Okay, I'm back up on my studio equipment, so maybe you can hear me better now.
[34:05.580 --> 34:09.380]  It sounds like you got the screws tightened down and the nails hammered in.
[34:09.380 --> 34:13.940]  Yes, I have been pounding, that's for sure.
[34:13.940 --> 34:16.940]  Okay.
[34:16.940 --> 34:22.580]  We really can't help you until we know more about the code in Maine.
[34:22.580 --> 34:31.340]  Now, we know code, and most of the states have adopted the model code developed by the
[34:31.340 --> 34:34.740]  American Bar Association.
[34:34.740 --> 34:43.660]  And so that you can go from one state to another and pretty well know what's against the law
[34:43.660 --> 34:45.740]  and what's not against the law.
[34:45.740 --> 34:51.940]  So all of the states have either adopted the model code and then made their own modifications
[34:51.940 --> 35:00.580]  to it, or they have adopted their own code to pretty well reflect the model code.
[35:00.580 --> 35:07.020]  So once you know one code, you can be pretty comfortable with the idea that you understand
[35:07.020 --> 35:08.020]  the rest of the codes.
[35:08.020 --> 35:12.940]  That's why we can talk to you about Maine code, and we can be pretty sure it's really
[35:12.940 --> 35:18.660]  close to what it is in Texas or Colorado or anywhere else.
[35:18.660 --> 35:30.060]  So as a matter of functionality, there has to be something written in law to protect
[35:30.060 --> 35:37.340]  the people and the other political officials from a potential corrupt prosecutor.
[35:37.340 --> 35:40.220]  It's always checks and balances.
[35:40.220 --> 35:45.340]  So if you find that code and read through it, just when you find the criminal procedure
[35:45.340 --> 35:49.580]  code, read through it, this will be right in the front.
[35:49.580 --> 35:50.580]  Just read it.
[35:50.580 --> 35:51.580]  Don't try to understand it.
[35:51.580 --> 35:56.700]  Read about the first at least 10 or 15 chapters.
[35:56.700 --> 35:57.860]  It looks like a lot more than it is.
[35:57.860 --> 36:04.260]  There's a lot of white space in these codes, and you'll go through them relatively quickly.
[36:04.260 --> 36:08.780]  Don't try to understand them, just read them.
[36:08.780 --> 36:16.020]  When you get about 15 in, then go back to the front and read it again.
[36:16.020 --> 36:24.140]  When you read it the second time, because of the way the codes are created, the codes,
[36:24.140 --> 36:33.060]  if a code has been enacted into positive law, then the code is not the law.
[36:33.060 --> 36:38.540]  The code is evidence of the law.
[36:38.540 --> 36:45.780]  If the code has been put together, and a code is merely where a publisher like West Publishing
[36:45.780 --> 36:52.660]  or some other publisher, in Texas we had Vernon's, and then went from Vernon's to West's, and
[36:52.660 --> 36:54.260]  they were the publishers.
[36:54.260 --> 37:02.980]  They went to the public laws and sorted them out by categories, and then they took all
[37:02.980 --> 37:07.980]  of those that fit together and stuck them together in a code.
[37:07.980 --> 37:10.540]  The code is not the law.
[37:10.540 --> 37:15.820]  If the code has been adopted by the legislature, it is evidence of the law.
[37:15.820 --> 37:24.180]  But anywhere there's a variation between the code and the public laws passed by the legislature,
[37:24.180 --> 37:26.100]  public law governs.
[37:26.100 --> 37:32.020]  If somebody's put together a code and the legislature has not enacted it in the law,
[37:32.020 --> 37:38.420]  then that code is merely prima facie evidence of law.
[37:38.420 --> 37:45.060]  That sometimes gets really important to understand, but for this purpose, that's the reason we
[37:45.060 --> 37:50.180]  want to read it twice, because when the legislature passed laws, they passed the law when it came
[37:50.180 --> 37:55.460]  up, and they just stuck it at the end of the public laws.
[37:55.460 --> 38:00.500]  So the public laws are just a scramble of one law for this, one law for that.
[38:00.500 --> 38:02.020]  They're making sense.
[38:02.020 --> 38:04.380]  That's why they had to create the codes.
[38:04.380 --> 38:09.860]  And when you read the codes, they'll talk about something in the front that refers to
[38:09.860 --> 38:12.340]  something in the back.
[38:12.340 --> 38:18.180]  Until you've read it the second time, those references they make don't make sense.
[38:18.180 --> 38:25.220]  When you read it the second time, I guarantee you, you will understand the code better than
[38:25.220 --> 38:27.020]  the prosecutor does.
[38:27.020 --> 38:34.380]  I was talking to my county attorney, and he mentioned that, Mr. Kelton, you need to be
[38:34.380 --> 38:35.380]  careful.
[38:35.380 --> 38:39.620]  You could be pretty close to illegal practice of law.
[38:39.620 --> 38:42.660]  And I said, ah, no, I don't have to worry about that.
[38:42.660 --> 38:50.740]  Illegal practice of law, that only goes to representing yourself as an attorney in a
[38:50.740 --> 38:51.740]  personal injury suit.
[38:51.740 --> 38:55.420]  He said, are you sure about that?
[38:55.420 --> 38:56.740]  I'm certain about that.
[38:56.740 --> 39:02.060]  So he turned around and he looked up the code, and that's exactly what it said.
[39:02.060 --> 39:06.060]  He was astounded that it said that.
[39:06.060 --> 39:10.780]  And I said to him, Greg, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
[39:10.780 --> 39:13.820]  When was the last time you read that thing?
[39:13.820 --> 39:18.060]  And he said, well, I don't know that I've ever read all of it.
[39:18.060 --> 39:21.780]  Greg, that's pitiful.
[39:21.780 --> 39:26.220]  He said, well, frankly, Mr. Kelton, I don't know a single lawyer who's read the whole
[39:26.220 --> 39:29.740]  thing.
[39:29.740 --> 39:37.420]  I was absolutely astounded, and I find that to be true.
[39:37.420 --> 39:40.620]  The lawyers have no idea what the code actually says.
[39:40.620 --> 39:44.180]  That gives you an advantage.
[39:44.180 --> 39:45.180]  Tremendous advantage.
[39:45.180 --> 39:51.020]  And, you know, what we talk about here, and Beverly, it took me a while to realize who
[39:51.020 --> 39:52.020]  you were.
[39:52.020 --> 39:58.620]  You've been listening to us for a long time, and you understand about bushwhack.
[39:58.620 --> 40:09.300]  What you want to do is find the code and write your complaint precisely on code.
[40:09.300 --> 40:20.620]  You say I have reason to believe and do believe that this certain person committed these acts,
[40:20.620 --> 40:26.540]  and then you basically tell what they did.
[40:26.540 --> 40:35.260]  And therefore, said person committed these acts, did this, that, and the other, and then
[40:35.260 --> 40:41.980]  in violation of, and you write the statute, you put the statute that they violated.
[40:41.980 --> 40:49.780]  This is a setup.
[40:49.780 --> 40:55.500]  When you file a complaint with a prosecuting attorney, you don't really want him to act
[40:55.500 --> 40:56.500]  on it.
[40:56.500 --> 41:04.540]  You've got to understand this is all political.
[41:04.540 --> 41:07.180]  Everything you're doing is about creating politics.
[41:07.180 --> 41:16.800]  If you file a very well-structured complaint that doesn't have any no-good SOB, lousy bottom
[41:16.800 --> 41:22.780]  feeding scum sucker, none of that kind of language in it, but very clinical, and if
[41:22.780 --> 41:29.300]  you look on jurisprudence.com, you'll see how these complaints are very clinical.
[41:29.300 --> 41:40.100]  When I say what they did, I have the statute in front of me, and the statute will designate
[41:40.100 --> 41:49.480]  what the elements of the crime are, and in my statement, I state how they breached each
[41:49.480 --> 41:56.500]  element of the crime, and therefore, I have reason to believe and do believe that so-and-so
[41:56.500 --> 42:02.180]  acted in criminal violation of statute so-and-so, then you sign it.
[42:02.180 --> 42:06.220]  When they read that, it's going to look just like an information.
[42:06.220 --> 42:13.020]  Now, every state I've looked at so far has informations.
[42:13.020 --> 42:21.380]  What an information is is a document prepared by the prosecutor when he receives a criminal
[42:21.380 --> 42:23.380]  complaint.
[42:23.380 --> 42:29.460]  Criminal complaints are intended to be filed by ordinary citizens, so the requirements
[42:29.460 --> 42:34.740]  of a criminal complaint are very lax.
[42:34.740 --> 42:37.300]  You don't have to be the one aggrieved.
[42:37.300 --> 42:41.420]  You don't even have to have personal knowledge.
[42:41.420 --> 42:45.860]  If you came to me, Beverly, and said, my next door neighbor, I think he's doing all these
[42:45.860 --> 42:49.020]  horrible things, but I'm terrified of this guy.
[42:49.020 --> 42:53.660]  There is no way I'd file criminal charges against this guy.
[42:53.660 --> 43:01.380]  If I believe you, then I have a duty to go to law enforcement and say, I have reason
[43:01.380 --> 43:11.620]  to believe, and I do believe, based on this information that this person committed this
[43:11.620 --> 43:12.620]  crime.
[43:12.620 --> 43:13.620]  I can do that.
[43:13.620 --> 43:14.620]  I don't have to have personal knowledge.
[43:14.620 --> 43:20.740]  I just have to have reason to believe, and I have to state that I do believe to indicate
[43:20.740 --> 43:25.620]  that I'm filing this in good faith belief, and that's all you need.
[43:25.620 --> 43:31.360]  When the prosecutor gets it, it may be a mess because the ordinary citizen doesn't necessarily
[43:31.360 --> 43:33.380]  know how to write the complaint.
[43:33.380 --> 43:38.980]  The courts all say, okay, when the prosecutor gets a complaint, he will rewrite the complaint
[43:38.980 --> 43:42.900]  in the form of an information.
[43:42.900 --> 43:50.280]  If you go into the court records and pull in the information, that will be exactly what
[43:50.280 --> 43:53.220]  a criminal complaint is supposed to look like.
[43:53.220 --> 43:54.220]  Okay, hang on.
[43:54.220 --> 43:55.220]  We're about to go to break.
[43:55.220 --> 43:57.220]  Randy Kelly and David Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[43:57.220 --> 43:58.220]  We'll be right back.
[43:58.220 --> 44:07.300]  Mr. President, members of Congress, you've been making a lot of noise about taking our
[44:07.300 --> 44:11.500]  guns away, but you might want to review history.
[44:11.500 --> 44:15.340]  1835, Gonzales, Texas territory.
[44:15.340 --> 44:19.460]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[44:19.460 --> 44:22.460]  You know what the people said?
[44:22.460 --> 44:39.820]  Come and take it, because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:39.820 --> 44:42.820]  You'll have to fight it from our cold dead hands
[44:42.820 --> 44:45.820]  We want the freedom that God gave us
[44:45.820 --> 44:48.820]  So you best not cross that line
[44:48.820 --> 44:52.820]  If you want this gun, you gotta come through us
[44:52.820 --> 44:56.820]  And take it, one shot at a time
[44:56.820 --> 44:59.820]  Just like guns on us, we're keeping our guns
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[47:16.820 --> 47:20.820]  Okay, we are back
[47:20.820 --> 47:23.820]  If you guys heard me telling somebody they're dog meat
[47:23.820 --> 47:26.820]  Don't pay any attention to that, that's just me picking on the producer
[47:26.820 --> 47:28.820]  Okay
[47:28.820 --> 47:31.820]  You may have had long enough to regret that
[47:31.820 --> 47:34.820]  We're having way too much fun on the breaks
[47:34.820 --> 47:38.820]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio
[47:38.820 --> 47:40.820]  With our special guest Steve Skidmore
[47:40.820 --> 47:43.820]  And we have Joe Esquivel in the background
[47:43.820 --> 47:47.820]  We may want to bring him up a little bit later
[47:47.820 --> 47:50.820]  He gives me a headache
[47:50.820 --> 47:54.820]  That ain't hard to do, Randy
[47:54.820 --> 47:59.820]  He tells me all this stuff and it takes me a day or two to get my head wrapped around it
[47:59.820 --> 48:01.820]  I know it
[48:01.820 --> 48:05.820]  Okay, Beverly
[48:05.820 --> 48:09.820]  Oops, I hit the wrong mute, unmute
[48:09.820 --> 48:11.820]  Okay, got it
[48:11.820 --> 48:14.820]  Beverly, you still there? Did I bore you to death?
[48:14.820 --> 48:17.820]  No, no, no, I'm here
[48:17.820 --> 48:20.820]  I don't mean to lecture
[48:20.820 --> 48:27.820]  But it's important that we get these front end details down
[48:27.820 --> 48:32.820]  Once you've read that criminal procedure code twice, you'll be...
[48:32.820 --> 48:35.820]  I went to Pennsylvania the first time
[48:35.820 --> 48:40.820]  And they wanted me to go into court with them and they had two hours to go into court
[48:40.820 --> 48:43.820]  Well, I sat down at the computer, called up the criminal procedure code
[48:43.820 --> 48:47.820]  And in two hours, I went through the whole thing
[48:47.820 --> 48:48.820]  Piece of cake
[48:48.820 --> 48:51.820]  It looked almost exactly like Texas law
[48:51.820 --> 48:54.820]  No, it had a totally different numbering system
[48:54.820 --> 48:58.820]  But it followed logically the same way
[48:58.820 --> 49:03.820]  And so once you've gone through it once, the second time through will be really quick
[49:03.820 --> 49:07.820]  And then you'll be a terror
[49:07.820 --> 49:12.820]  And you'll begin to think the way I do
[49:12.820 --> 49:17.820]  I was in a meeting today and we were talking about these kinds of issues
[49:17.820 --> 49:25.820]  And they would bring up issues and they're thinking of them in terms of civil litigation
[49:25.820 --> 49:26.820]  I'm not
[49:26.820 --> 49:28.820]  I'm saying, wait a minute, wait a minute
[49:28.820 --> 49:33.820]  That violates this law, this violates this law, and that violates this law over here
[49:33.820 --> 49:35.820]  These are all criminal
[49:35.820 --> 49:37.820]  Hell yeah
[49:37.820 --> 49:43.820]  Once you kind of got a feel of how the criminal laws stitch together
[49:43.820 --> 49:50.820]  You will be absolutely amazed at how many criminal laws they violated
[49:50.820 --> 49:51.820]  So
[49:51.820 --> 49:53.820]  Randy, if I could break in here
[49:53.820 --> 49:58.820]  Something else that would help us all as pro se litigants is spend some time in courts
[49:58.820 --> 50:03.820]  Though we may be going in on foreclosure issues or some other civil issue
[50:03.820 --> 50:11.820]  You would owe it to yourself to watch a good criminal attorney litigate his case
[50:11.820 --> 50:15.820]  Note that you will notice right off the bat that he will object to everything
[50:15.820 --> 50:24.820]  He will not allow anyone to put anything on the record that is not objected to
[50:24.820 --> 50:27.820]  Civil litigators tend to
[50:27.820 --> 50:29.820]  Let me give an example
[50:29.820 --> 50:33.820]  When a bank's attorney stands up and starts his case
[50:33.820 --> 50:39.820]  He usually starts by saying, well, we're here on an eviction case
[50:39.820 --> 50:52.820]  My client, your honor, bases his right to file this suit based on this substitute trustee's deed
[50:52.820 --> 50:54.820]  Objection
[50:54.820 --> 50:58.820]  Now most civil litigators will just let that go on the record
[50:58.820 --> 51:05.820]  But a criminal attorney would never allow that to stand unobjected
[51:05.820 --> 51:12.820]  What's wrong? Object often and object, what is it? Object
[51:12.820 --> 51:13.820]  Quick and often
[51:13.820 --> 51:14.820]  Yes
[51:14.820 --> 51:15.820]  And make no admissions
[51:15.820 --> 51:16.820]  Correct
[51:16.820 --> 51:17.820]  Because they will hurt you
[51:17.820 --> 51:18.820]  Yes
[51:18.820 --> 51:24.820]  The best term for that, stipulate to nothing
[51:24.820 --> 51:28.820]  And don't allow your opponent to stipulate on your behalf
[51:28.820 --> 51:39.820]  And the hard thing to catch is pay close attention to your preconceived notions and ideas
[51:39.820 --> 51:40.820]  Yes
[51:40.820 --> 51:50.820]  Hardest thing to catch is those things you presuppose when the lawyer asks the question
[51:50.820 --> 51:55.820]  I like being a witness because I drive the lawyers crazy
[51:55.820 --> 52:02.820]  If they ask me a question that in order for me to ask and answer that question
[52:02.820 --> 52:07.820]  I must presuppose that something else is true
[52:07.820 --> 52:10.820]  I'll tell them I can't answer it
[52:10.820 --> 52:15.820]  And since I'm a witness, I don't explain
[52:15.820 --> 52:20.820]  And then they have to dig that out of me and it drives them crazy
[52:20.820 --> 52:27.820]  So watch real close for what is presupposed
[52:27.820 --> 52:33.820]  Especially when a lawyer is putting information before the court
[52:33.820 --> 52:47.820]  The lawyer cannot testify if he makes any proactive statement that he does not offer documentation for to support
[52:47.820 --> 52:53.820]  And that he does not establish foundation for that document first
[52:53.820 --> 52:56.820]  You object like crazy
[52:56.820 --> 53:00.820]  Your honor, I have this deed of trust objection, foundation
[53:00.820 --> 53:07.820]  You've probably listened to these TV programs where you'll hear that objection
[53:07.820 --> 53:09.820]  Foundation
[53:09.820 --> 53:24.820]  So what he would have to do is show that there was a contractual agreement wherein a contract was created in the form of a promise to pay
[53:24.820 --> 53:30.820]  And there was a contract in the form of a claim against property
[53:30.820 --> 53:34.820]  It was created by this party and this party
[53:34.820 --> 53:41.820]  When you hear lawyers start questioning a witness, they go through all of these details like that
[53:41.820 --> 53:45.820]  Who are you? What qualifications do you have?
[53:45.820 --> 53:48.820]  All of this is about foundation and credibility
[53:48.820 --> 53:50.820]  But primarily foundation
[53:50.820 --> 54:02.820]  You can't ask this guy a question about something unless you've shown that he has the ability to give an answer to the question
[54:02.820 --> 54:14.820]  You can't ask the police officer if the guy was suffering from the diabetes shock
[54:14.820 --> 54:18.820]  Objection, he's not a doctor, that would be a conclusion
[54:18.820 --> 54:23.820]  You would have to ask him questions and say well if you have training in how to recognize this
[54:23.820 --> 54:26.820]  When did you have that training? Is that training still valid?
[54:26.820 --> 54:31.820]  Now you've established foundation, now you can ask him the question
[54:31.820 --> 54:37.820]  That's a little much for this show but it takes a lot of work
[54:37.820 --> 54:43.820]  If you're going to win these cases, get jurisdictionary
[54:43.820 --> 54:45.820]  Absolutely
[54:45.820 --> 54:50.820]  I don't make a dime off jurisdictionary
[54:50.820 --> 54:54.820]  Deborah gets a little bit for the radio station but not much
[54:54.820 --> 54:57.820]  We don't care about that
[54:57.820 --> 55:00.820]  But get jurisdictionary
[55:00.820 --> 55:04.820]  That's absolutely the best investment you can make
[55:04.820 --> 55:12.820]  What Dr. Graves teaches in jurisdictionary is stuff that's not taught in law school
[55:12.820 --> 55:17.820]  These lawyers call what they're doing practicing law because they are
[55:17.820 --> 55:19.820]  They haven't got it right yet
[55:19.820 --> 55:26.820]  Yeah, they don't learn it in school, they learn about law, they learn how to argue legal issues
[55:26.820 --> 55:31.820]  They don't learn how to practice law, they don't learn how to file motions, how to get motions put on for hearing
[55:31.820 --> 55:36.820]  All of these things lawyers do once they get out, they don't learn that in law school
[55:36.820 --> 55:41.820]  Every lawyer who gets out of law school should get jurisdictionary
[55:41.820 --> 55:48.820]  These are the absolute basics and 90% of everything you're going to deal with is going to be the basics
[55:48.820 --> 55:55.820]  So if you go through jurisdictionary, that is a prerequisite for defending your rights
[55:55.820 --> 55:58.820]  That will cover a lot of this stuff for you
[55:58.820 --> 56:01.820]  And then read that code
[56:01.820 --> 56:05.820]  If you will do that and then call us back next week
[56:05.820 --> 56:10.820]  You and I will have a whole different conversation
[56:10.820 --> 56:16.820]  Because now I can go through the procedures and then you can tell me where that's found in your code
[56:16.820 --> 56:19.820]  Does that make sense, Beverly?
[56:19.820 --> 56:27.820]  Yes and no in that they decided they were going to have a hearing on Tuesday of this week
[56:27.820 --> 56:35.820]  I did request a continuation because I had the canal and I was just really sick
[56:35.820 --> 56:40.820]  They probably are going to ignore it though because they said they were planning on having
[56:40.820 --> 56:43.820]  Deciding what the damages are against me
[56:43.820 --> 56:47.820]  There's no law, there's no evidence, there's no
[56:47.820 --> 56:51.820]  Okay, okay, this is way too vague
[56:51.820 --> 56:55.820]  There's what we don't know here
[56:55.820 --> 57:00.820]  I can't comment on that because we don't know what is res judicata
[57:00.820 --> 57:05.820]  We don't know what's been adjudicated that's brought you up to this point
[57:05.820 --> 57:08.820]  That's why I need a good timeline
[57:08.820 --> 57:12.820]  I do remember asking you about one and I think I remember seeing one that you sent me
[57:12.820 --> 57:15.820]  But it's been a while
[57:15.820 --> 57:18.820]  If you will resend it to me
[57:18.820 --> 57:21.820]  I get a lot of emails so they get buried real fast
[57:21.820 --> 57:26.820]  If you will resend that to me and then call me next Friday
[57:26.820 --> 57:31.820]  Friday's better because we have more time
[57:31.820 --> 57:33.820]  Wait a minute, do I have a guest next Friday?
[57:33.820 --> 57:34.820]  I don't think I do
[57:34.820 --> 57:38.820]  So I'll have more time to go over it
[57:38.820 --> 57:43.820]  And if you'll go through the criminal procedure code
[57:43.820 --> 57:46.820]  If you have a hearing Tuesday
[57:46.820 --> 57:50.820]  You might want to go through the code tonight or in the morning
[57:50.820 --> 57:55.820]  You might find the answer you need to stop that hearing in the code
[57:55.820 --> 57:59.820]  How much notice are they supposed to give you?
[57:59.820 --> 58:06.820]  What must be the nature of the notice to make it sufficient?
[58:06.820 --> 58:09.820]  Can they actually hear what they're trying to hear?
[58:09.820 --> 58:14.820]  Procedure code will kind of give you a good idea of that
[58:14.820 --> 58:17.820]  All right
[58:17.820 --> 58:19.820]  Okay, do that and call us back next week
[58:19.820 --> 58:22.820]  And then we can move ahead a whole lot quicker
[58:22.820 --> 58:26.820]  We can probably get you to some good answers
[58:26.820 --> 58:29.820]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stephens, Rule of Law Radio
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[01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:49.820]  Thursday, Texas Governor Rick Perry signed a controversial abortion bill into law
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[01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:04.820]  State Senator Glenn Hager, Republican of Katy, said
[01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:07.820]  This will literally change the lives of millions in Texas
[01:01:07.820 --> 01:01:10.820]  Opponents of the bill continued their protests in the rotunda of the Capitol building
[01:01:10.820 --> 01:01:14.820]  Chanting, the blood of Texas women is on your hands
[01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:22.820]  The latest in the ongoing saga surrounding journalist Michael Hastings' death
[01:01:22.820 --> 01:01:27.820]  Includes new information that Hastings' body was cremated against the wishes of his family
[01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:30.820]  According to Kimberly Dvorak of CW6 in San Diego
[01:01:30.820 --> 01:01:34.820]  Hastings' friend and confidant, Sergeant Joe Biggs, said
[01:01:34.820 --> 01:01:37.820]  Michael Hastings' body was returned to Vermont in an urn
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[01:01:41.820 --> 01:01:45.820]  911 call, autopsy, bomb squad and toxicology reports
[01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:48.820]  That they say continue to be ignored by the LAPD
[01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:51.820]  Suspicions surrounding Hastings' death began to arise when it was revealed
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[01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:31.820]  OK, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, the root of our radio
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[01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:41.820]  The Baylor Outer when my stuff don't work
[01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:46.820]  We're going to go to Josh in Texas
[01:03:46.820 --> 01:03:48.820]  Hello Josh, what do you have for us today?
[01:03:48.820 --> 01:03:56.820]  Well, basically our public utility company has stolen about $7 million in the last month
[01:03:56.820 --> 01:04:03.820]  OK, wait a minute, you were a little soft on the front end, can you start that again?
[01:04:03.820 --> 01:04:11.820]  Yeah, the publicly owned utility company has basically stolen about $7 million in the last month
[01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:21.820]  What happened was the city council voted for a 9.5% rate increase with a 20% cap
[01:04:21.820 --> 01:04:28.820]  And all the publicity said, well it will raise $7 to $10 on your average bill
[01:04:28.820 --> 01:04:37.820]  Well, what the utility company actually did was raise the rates by 80 to 225%
[01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:44.820]  Wow, now which company is this? Where are you at Josh?
[01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:47.820]  LP&L, Lubbock Power and Light
[01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:50.820]  OK
[01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:59.820]  I'm getting a lot of background now, OK, what do you want to do?
[01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:09.820]  Well, the first thing I would like to find out is what laws they violated by going beyond what the city council had approved
[01:05:09.820 --> 01:05:13.820]  Well over 20%, I mean people's bills have doubled and beyond that
[01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:22.820]  So we're looking at filing a lawsuit and I've got a friend that I've met recently that's got about three years
[01:05:22.820 --> 01:05:32.820]  And he's doing the pro se thing and I am tagging along, I'm about to buy the jurisdictionary
[01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:39.820]  And me and him as well as a bunch of other people here in Lubbock are trying to figure out what we're going to do to correct this
[01:05:39.820 --> 01:05:44.820]  Because they are saying, well it's a computer glitch, well we undercharged some customers previously
[01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:54.820]  But the fact is they went over the 20% cap that they had proposed by ridiculous amounts
[01:05:54.820 --> 01:06:00.820]  So I'm looking for what is our cause of action and what laws have they violated
[01:06:00.820 --> 01:06:06.820]  OK, wait a minute, did they immediately refund any monies paid to them?
[01:06:06.820 --> 01:06:16.820]  No, no, and they had a press release today or a press conference, they're blaming it on a glitch
[01:06:16.820 --> 01:06:24.820]  They're saying that people had been undercharged the previous month and they are saying different things
[01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:29.820]  They're playing the plausible deniability game right now and it's certainly not going to work
[01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:37.820]  From our estimation, at least $7 million has been taken above and beyond what the City Council approved
[01:06:37.820 --> 01:06:53.820]  OK, $7 million and do you have an estimate of how much they will make on the $7 million even if they give it all back?
[01:06:53.820 --> 01:07:00.820]  Interest? No, I don't have an estimate on that right now
[01:07:00.820 --> 01:07:09.820]  OK, if they don't give it back with interest, that gives them incentive to steal
[01:07:09.820 --> 01:07:15.820]  So if they don't give it all back, then that's just outright theft
[01:07:15.820 --> 01:07:20.820]  And this is a government controlled monopoly
[01:07:20.820 --> 01:07:23.820]  That's exactly right
[01:07:23.820 --> 01:07:28.820]  They can't come to the table and say we had a computer glitch
[01:07:28.820 --> 01:07:33.820]  They are required to maintain their system so as to avoid error
[01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:49.820]  So probably, first place to go is a suit to perpetuate testimony, a pre litigation discovery
[01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:56.820]  You can sue for the purpose of perpetuating testimony and go after their accounting system
[01:07:56.820 --> 01:08:01.820]  You say you had a computer glitch, we want to see your accounting system
[01:08:01.820 --> 01:08:10.820]  Right, and there's another issue with the, it showed up in the unit increase based off fuel costs
[01:08:10.820 --> 01:08:21.820]  And the mayor has said publicly, you know, we've been misled about this, but I read what they voted on, they voted on a 9.5% increase with a 20% cap
[01:08:21.820 --> 01:08:27.820]  He also said, and he's an Exeville official member of the electric board
[01:08:27.820 --> 01:08:35.820]  He said that it looks like they had been engineering the situation to cause them to need to raise rates
[01:08:35.820 --> 01:08:40.820]  And they were the one that came to the city council saying here's the resolution, we need you to vote on it
[01:08:40.820 --> 01:08:44.820]  And they went ahead and went with 80%
[01:08:44.820 --> 01:08:52.820]  Okay, wait, wait, who is saying they engineered the situation in order to get the rate increase?
[01:08:52.820 --> 01:08:57.820]  Is it one of the board members or is this a third party?
[01:08:57.820 --> 01:09:03.820]  The mayor who is an Exeville official member said that on the radio this morning
[01:09:03.820 --> 01:09:10.820]  Then, okay, I think about this different, this is what I was saying earlier
[01:09:10.820 --> 01:09:18.820]  That when people start talking about they're doing this, they're doing that, they're thinking in terms of how we can sue them
[01:09:18.820 --> 01:09:23.820]  I'm not thinking in terms of how we can sue them, I'll get to that
[01:09:23.820 --> 01:09:27.820]  First, I'm thinking of what laws said broke
[01:09:27.820 --> 01:09:40.820]  And since this is a government controlled monopoly, then it falls under the cover of a governmental agency
[01:09:40.820 --> 01:09:44.820]  You can work them over with open records
[01:09:44.820 --> 01:09:46.820]  Right, we've already started that
[01:09:46.820 --> 01:09:54.820]  Okay, keep in mind, the Open Records Act is not a civil statute
[01:09:54.820 --> 01:09:57.820]  It's a criminal statute
[01:09:57.820 --> 01:10:02.820]  It's Class A misdemeanor official misconducts right there at the end of the Act
[01:10:02.820 --> 01:10:09.820]  Now, when you file information requests, if you do it right, it's an art form
[01:10:09.820 --> 01:10:24.820]  Okay, the custodian of the record may make no inquiry of the requester other than to determine your identity and the records sought
[01:10:24.820 --> 01:10:32.820]  We had someone on last night that they sent a friend of theirs down to the court to get some information
[01:10:32.820 --> 01:10:36.820]  And the judge came out and started grilling him
[01:10:36.820 --> 01:10:40.820]  Said he'd grilled him for 10 minutes
[01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:48.820]  I get the second guy, I get a question beyond who are you and what records do you seek
[01:10:48.820 --> 01:10:52.820]  That gets a 911 call
[01:10:52.820 --> 01:10:55.820]  And I don't care if he is the judge
[01:10:55.820 --> 01:10:58.820]  Matter of fact, that's a whole lot more fun
[01:10:58.820 --> 01:11:12.820]  So when I do this, I try to structure my requests so that the requester doesn't really know what I'm looking for
[01:11:12.820 --> 01:11:14.820]  That does two things
[01:11:14.820 --> 01:11:20.820]  That makes it harder for them to hide the information you're looking for
[01:11:20.820 --> 01:11:28.820]  And it also invokes this problem human beings have
[01:11:28.820 --> 01:11:31.820]  It makes them curious and it frightens them
[01:11:31.820 --> 01:11:35.820]  What's he looking for? What's he trying to get me on?
[01:11:35.820 --> 01:11:41.820]  They really, really want to know what it is you're trying to find in their records
[01:11:41.820 --> 01:11:46.820]  And the more obscure I can be about it, the better
[01:11:46.820 --> 01:11:55.820]  Because I'm hoping I can either get them to refuse to provide the records or ask me why I'm asking for them
[01:11:55.820 --> 01:11:59.820]  Either one gets a criminal complaint against them
[01:11:59.820 --> 01:12:06.820]  And then we start the criminal routine against them while I'm still pounding them with open records requests
[01:12:06.820 --> 01:12:11.820]  And a company like this, if you have reason to believe that they're dirty
[01:12:11.820 --> 01:12:19.820]  They are much more vulnerable to this kind of attack than somebody who's not
[01:12:19.820 --> 01:12:27.820]  If somebody is honest and he hasn't done anything improper or incorrect
[01:12:27.820 --> 01:12:30.820]  I'm not going to scare him
[01:12:30.820 --> 01:12:34.820]  I can do all this I want to, he is not going to be impressed
[01:12:34.820 --> 01:12:40.820]  The only one who's going to be impressed or worried is the one that knows he has something to hide
[01:12:40.820 --> 01:12:52.820]  So you might sit down and first try to figure out what information do you need
[01:12:52.820 --> 01:13:01.820]  In order to figure out where the specific information that's going to nail them is going to be at
[01:13:01.820 --> 01:13:05.820]  First thing I'd ask them for is their software
[01:13:05.820 --> 01:13:10.820]  I want to see your software, I want to see any training manuals for your software
[01:13:10.820 --> 01:13:15.820]  And oh they're going to jump up and down railing righteous indignation
[01:13:15.820 --> 01:13:18.820]  If you do it under open records they're going to claim they don't fall under
[01:13:18.820 --> 01:13:20.820]  We're going to have this big fight
[01:13:20.820 --> 01:13:23.820]  And then you just go to pre-litigation discovery
[01:13:23.820 --> 01:13:26.820]  Petition the court and ask the court
[01:13:26.820 --> 01:13:36.820]  If they're claiming that they are having accounting errors or problems with their software I want to see their software
[01:13:36.820 --> 01:13:41.820]  And they'll raise this issue of copyright, too bad
[01:13:41.820 --> 01:13:49.820]  If you're a government controlled monopoly and you're using this to build the public
[01:13:49.820 --> 01:13:51.820]  The public has the right to see it
[01:13:51.820 --> 01:13:55.820]  Now we can't use it but we can see it
[01:13:55.820 --> 01:13:58.820]  This will make them crazy
[01:13:58.820 --> 01:14:01.820]  And it might actually get them to come to the table and give you a deal
[01:14:01.820 --> 01:14:04.820]  You can't pass up to get this all fixed
[01:14:04.820 --> 01:14:07.820]  But in the meantime you still want to go after them criminally
[01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:13.820]  So I guess I should back up and say okay what is it you're trying to achieve?
[01:14:13.820 --> 01:14:17.820]  You're trying to get this money back, you want these guys in jail
[01:14:17.820 --> 01:14:20.820]  What is it you're trying to achieve?
[01:14:20.820 --> 01:14:27.820]  Well, me and the local group are basically coming at them from all levels
[01:14:27.820 --> 01:14:30.820]  Not just including this particular issue
[01:14:30.820 --> 01:14:33.820]  And forcing transparency and things like that
[01:14:33.820 --> 01:14:37.820]  It's not necessarily that I want them to go to jail
[01:14:37.820 --> 01:14:42.820]  But they've already said they're not going to pay anyone back for the money
[01:14:42.820 --> 01:14:44.820]  Oh, wonderful
[01:14:44.820 --> 01:14:49.820]  Okay, now need to back up
[01:14:49.820 --> 01:14:53.820]  You need to sit down with this group
[01:14:53.820 --> 01:14:59.820]  And get the group to put their heads together and decide
[01:14:59.820 --> 01:15:04.820]  What is it that you are trying to achieve?
[01:15:04.820 --> 01:15:10.820]  If you don't know where you're going you can be sure you're going to wind up somewhere else
[01:15:10.820 --> 01:15:16.820]  It is very important that you have an outcome in mind
[01:15:16.820 --> 01:15:18.820]  For a couple of reasons
[01:15:18.820 --> 01:15:24.820]  If you have a specific yet undisclosed outcome in mind
[01:15:24.820 --> 01:15:30.820]  It's going to make these other guys absolutely crazy
[01:15:30.820 --> 01:15:38.820]  Because it will cause what you do to be more consistent, more specific and directed
[01:15:38.820 --> 01:15:44.820]  Except they don't know where it's directed at
[01:15:44.820 --> 01:15:49.820]  And besides, if you guys don't know what you're trying to accomplish
[01:15:49.820 --> 01:15:53.820]  Some general more transparency
[01:15:53.820 --> 01:15:57.820]  You need a goal that's much more specific than that
[01:15:57.820 --> 01:16:00.820]  Well, we want our money back to start with
[01:16:00.820 --> 01:16:04.820]  That's not good enough
[01:16:04.820 --> 01:16:09.820]  If I steal from you and you catch me
[01:16:09.820 --> 01:16:15.820]  And I say, oh, okay, here's your money back, are you going to be happy?
[01:16:15.820 --> 01:16:17.820]  Not really
[01:16:17.820 --> 01:16:20.820]  Okay, let's get a good goal
[01:16:20.820 --> 01:16:33.820]  How about chairman of the board of this company has responded yet superior in a federal penitentiary
[01:16:33.820 --> 01:16:40.820]  If you set a goal, especially kind of a goal like that that they're not expecting
[01:16:40.820 --> 01:16:43.820]  Then when you start doing your research
[01:16:43.820 --> 01:16:50.820]  You will ask different questions than you would if you're just trying to get them to give back what they stole
[01:16:50.820 --> 01:16:55.820]  You'll start asking questions and their lawyers, you know, most of the lawyers are
[01:16:55.820 --> 01:16:57.820]  Four seconds, Randy
[01:16:57.820 --> 01:17:03.820]  Okay, we'll be right back
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[01:19:22.820 --> 01:19:35.820]  Well, ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again
[01:19:35.820 --> 01:19:40.820]  I was blindsided but now I can see your plan
[01:19:40.820 --> 01:19:43.820]  You put the fear in my pocket
[01:19:43.820 --> 01:19:49.820]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, we're here with Steve Skidmore
[01:19:49.820 --> 01:19:52.820]  And a special guest, Joe Escamil
[01:19:52.820 --> 01:19:57.820]  And Joe wanted to address this issue with Josh
[01:19:57.820 --> 01:19:58.820]  Joe?
[01:19:58.820 --> 01:20:01.820]  Hey, Josh, this is Joe here
[01:20:01.820 --> 01:20:03.820]  A couple of things
[01:20:03.820 --> 01:20:07.820]  I understand you're upset with what's been happening
[01:20:07.820 --> 01:20:12.820]  But in listening to Randy, I have to agree with Randy
[01:20:12.820 --> 01:20:17.820]  Without a path of knowing where you're gonna go
[01:20:17.820 --> 01:20:24.820]  You can be misdirected into a dozen different directions and you're not even gonna know it
[01:20:24.820 --> 01:20:29.820]  So one of the things that I would do is I would get out a whiteboard
[01:20:29.820 --> 01:20:35.820]  And I would specifically state with specificity and particularity
[01:20:35.820 --> 01:20:40.820]  What has happened? What are the results of what's happened?
[01:20:40.820 --> 01:20:49.820]  And what changes would I like to make? And put everything where you can look at it
[01:20:49.820 --> 01:20:56.820]  So where Randy's saying, you know, you need to put all of what goals are you looking to accomplish?
[01:20:56.820 --> 01:21:00.820]  What are the results of your actions?
[01:21:00.820 --> 01:21:06.820]  Because based on your actions are going to be results
[01:21:06.820 --> 01:21:12.820]  Because you can only miss 100% of the shots that you take
[01:21:12.820 --> 01:21:15.820]  If you don't take any shots, you can't miss any
[01:21:15.820 --> 01:21:21.820]  So you need to start taking some shots, but you need to know where am I shooting from
[01:21:21.820 --> 01:21:26.820]  What is it that your group hopes to accomplish?
[01:21:26.820 --> 01:21:28.820]  Where are you shooting at?
[01:21:28.820 --> 01:21:30.820]  Correct, where are you shooting at?
[01:21:30.820 --> 01:21:36.820]  And I think if you were to see it on paper, you'd have a little better understanding
[01:21:36.820 --> 01:21:45.820]  And it's a lot easier to plan your trip when you know what the outcome is gonna be
[01:21:45.820 --> 01:21:49.820]  You know, it's like when I look at a set of documents
[01:21:49.820 --> 01:21:52.820]  For me, it's like looking at a trip
[01:21:52.820 --> 01:21:55.820]  I see the destination
[01:21:55.820 --> 01:21:59.820]  All right, so now how am I going to arrive at that destination?
[01:21:59.820 --> 01:22:03.820]  Do I want to go the slowest route, the fastest route, the quickest route?
[01:22:03.820 --> 01:22:05.820]  Am I going to go there by car?
[01:22:05.820 --> 01:22:07.820]  Am I going to go there by plane?
[01:22:07.820 --> 01:22:12.820]  So when I do my analysis, I look at it, is this a pro se litigant?
[01:22:12.820 --> 01:22:14.820]  Do they have an attorney?
[01:22:14.820 --> 01:22:18.820]  If they have an attorney, is he a litigator?
[01:22:18.820 --> 01:22:22.820]  Or is he just a civil attorney?
[01:22:22.820 --> 01:22:26.820]  And that's how I base my analysis a lot of times
[01:22:26.820 --> 01:22:32.820]  When I know the circumstances surrounding the conditions
[01:22:32.820 --> 01:22:39.820]  I'm a lot better equipped to take on the challenges and the problems that are going to hit me
[01:22:39.820 --> 01:22:44.820]  I don't like walking into something without knowing the rules and regulations
[01:22:44.820 --> 01:22:47.820]  So you need to understand where you're going
[01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:52.820]  Because once you know where you're going, you'll know what rules you need to follow
[01:22:52.820 --> 01:22:56.820]  You want to go after them criminally? Fine
[01:22:56.820 --> 01:22:58.820]  What is it we're looking to achieve?
[01:22:58.820 --> 01:23:04.820]  How do I best maximize what I'm going after?
[01:23:04.820 --> 01:23:10.820]  And then once you have a plan, you sit down, okay, now let's put this together
[01:23:10.820 --> 01:23:20.820]  Yeah, this is really important because what you're doing here, you've got a dog in this hunt
[01:23:20.820 --> 01:23:27.820]  And having a dog in the hunt is going to cause you to have reactions to what they do
[01:23:27.820 --> 01:23:33.820]  That's why the lawyers say that a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client
[01:23:33.820 --> 01:23:42.820]  Because when you have a dog in the hunt, you have internal reactions that aren't necessarily conducive to where you want to go
[01:23:42.820 --> 01:23:45.820]  Perfect example
[01:23:45.820 --> 01:23:48.820]  A friend of mine is in Pennsylvania
[01:23:48.820 --> 01:23:56.820]  She helps with the IRS issues, she gets sent to these people, they want to get rid of some IRS liens
[01:23:56.820 --> 01:24:00.820]  They have been in this fight for four or five years
[01:24:00.820 --> 01:24:07.820]  And they're really, really upset at the IRS for all of the dirty, rotten stuff they've done to them
[01:24:07.820 --> 01:24:11.820]  And they show her the liens and said they wanted to get rid of the liens
[01:24:11.820 --> 01:24:14.820]  So she looked them over and said, okay, you want to get rid of these?
[01:24:14.820 --> 01:24:19.820]  Rip, rip, rip, threw them in the trash, they're gone
[01:24:19.820 --> 01:24:26.820]  What? See, they expired two years ago and the IRS didn't renew them
[01:24:26.820 --> 01:24:36.820]  So what do they do? They send a scathing letter to the IRS and the IRS reinstates the liens
[01:24:36.820 --> 01:24:46.820]  They say, Bubba, you didn't have your goals clearly defined, you had already won the battle two years ago
[01:24:46.820 --> 01:24:56.820]  But you were so caught up in the fight, the punch and counterpunch that you lost sight of the goal
[01:24:56.820 --> 01:25:10.820]  You get the goal in mind and it will tend to help immunize you from feeling as though you owe them something
[01:25:10.820 --> 01:25:17.820]  It'll immunize you from getting caught up in the fight instead of keeping your eye on the prize
[01:25:17.820 --> 01:25:19.820]  Does that make sense, Josh?
[01:25:19.820 --> 01:25:26.820]  Yes, that does make sense and that is one thing that we're looking at right now
[01:25:26.820 --> 01:25:32.820]  Basically, it's me and a guy named Scott who I think he has called you earlier this week
[01:25:32.820 --> 01:25:36.820]  But anyways, I'm in the process of trying to
[01:25:36.820 --> 01:25:40.820]  Okay, okay, wait a minute, what did he call me?
[01:25:40.820 --> 01:25:45.820]  I can think of a few things
[01:25:45.820 --> 01:25:47.820]  I have a list of things
[01:25:47.820 --> 01:25:48.820]  I'm sure you do
[01:25:48.820 --> 01:25:52.820]  Okay, you and Satch, did you say?
[01:25:52.820 --> 01:25:54.820]  His name's Scott
[01:25:54.820 --> 01:25:56.820]  Scott, okay
[01:25:56.820 --> 01:26:00.820]  He said he had talked to you before and whatever, I'm not sure how long it had been
[01:26:00.820 --> 01:26:07.820]  But basically me and him are trying to convince the group that this is a viable option for us to use
[01:26:07.820 --> 01:26:10.820]  The legal system
[01:26:10.820 --> 01:26:15.820]  Most of the other people in the group, they're older and they want to use things like
[01:26:15.820 --> 01:26:19.820]  Going to city council meetings and speaking and all those kind of things
[01:26:19.820 --> 01:26:23.820]  And we see those things not working and we don't
[01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:28.820]  Waste of time, effort and energy
[01:26:28.820 --> 01:26:34.820]  Yeah, but the problem you're going to have is cognitive dissonance
[01:26:34.820 --> 01:26:40.820]  This is something that on the show we struggle with all the time
[01:26:40.820 --> 01:26:43.820]  Let me tell you a little story
[01:26:43.820 --> 01:26:47.820]  I went to a traffic court
[01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:51.820]  This was years ago, just after I got back from Vietnam
[01:26:51.820 --> 01:26:54.820]  And I'm outside the traffic court in the hall
[01:26:54.820 --> 01:26:56.820]  And all these people are huffing and puffing
[01:26:56.820 --> 01:27:00.820]  The other dirty rascals, when I get in there, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that
[01:27:00.820 --> 01:27:03.820]  The other, we go into the courtroom, but I went with someone else
[01:27:03.820 --> 01:27:06.820]  So I was just watching, so I didn't have a dog in the hut
[01:27:06.820 --> 01:27:09.820]  So I wasn't affected by all this stuff
[01:27:09.820 --> 01:27:15.820]  And one of the guys there was an older gentleman, very well dressed, very well spoken
[01:27:15.820 --> 01:27:18.820]  He looked like a company president
[01:27:18.820 --> 01:27:24.820]  He stepped up in front of the judge and was fumbling and bumbling
[01:27:24.820 --> 01:27:29.820]  And his hand was visibly shaking
[01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:35.820]  And I thought, what in the world is going on?
[01:27:35.820 --> 01:27:39.820]  It took a long time to understand what was going on here
[01:27:39.820 --> 01:27:42.820]  Now this may sound like it comes out of left field
[01:27:42.820 --> 01:27:46.820]  But I almost guarantee you that this is what the problem is
[01:27:46.820 --> 01:27:53.820]  You spend 12 years in a government mandated school system
[01:27:53.820 --> 01:27:55.820]  Not your choice, you have to go there
[01:27:55.820 --> 01:28:02.820]  And in Texas, we have Ross Perot push through the education reform bill
[01:28:02.820 --> 01:28:09.820]  When it was pushed through, it was for the purpose of eliminating social promotions
[01:28:09.820 --> 01:28:13.820]  There shall be no social promotions, a grade shall reflect demonstrated master of subject matter
[01:28:13.820 --> 01:28:15.820]  But that was the second provision
[01:28:15.820 --> 01:28:22.820]  The first provision said, the school shall instill in the child a deep and abiding faith in and respect for the American form of government
[01:28:22.820 --> 01:28:24.820]  And they do that
[01:28:24.820 --> 01:28:29.820]  But at the same time, they're telling them about all these great and wonderful rights that you have
[01:28:29.820 --> 01:28:31.820]  While you're in this school
[01:28:31.820 --> 01:28:34.820]  Don't even think of trying to express one of those
[01:28:34.820 --> 01:28:37.820]  The whole way to the system, a landless square on your head
[01:28:37.820 --> 01:28:45.820]  Well, you spend 12 of your most formative years in that hypocrisy
[01:28:45.820 --> 01:28:51.820]  Where you walk the walk, but be careful what you say
[01:28:51.820 --> 01:28:53.820]  You get out of school
[01:28:53.820 --> 01:28:58.820]  And you don't have any more dealings with governmental agencies for the most part
[01:28:58.820 --> 01:29:00.820]  Unless you get a ticket early
[01:29:00.820 --> 01:29:02.820]  You go down to this
[01:29:02.820 --> 01:29:09.820]  You have a problem with the school board or the city council
[01:29:09.820 --> 01:29:16.820]  And when you step up in front of the council, you go inside and you dig out a response set
[01:29:16.820 --> 01:29:25.820]  You dig out from your history the tools you have developed for dealing with these kinds of situations
[01:29:25.820 --> 01:29:28.820]  School is all you had
[01:29:28.820 --> 01:29:32.820]  So if we can't fix that
[01:29:32.820 --> 01:29:34.820]  When you talk to these people
[01:29:34.820 --> 01:29:41.820]  And you start talking about going after these officials, it terrifies them
[01:29:41.820 --> 01:29:45.820]  Not on a conscious, relational level, but on an internal level, it terrifies them
[01:29:45.820 --> 01:29:47.820]  Okay, hang on, we're about to go to break
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[01:33:30.820 --> 01:33:47.820]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rube Law Radio here with Steve Skidmore and Joe Esquivel
[01:33:47.820 --> 01:33:59.820]  And we're talking to Josh in Texas. And if you have a group, especially if you're older people, you're going to have this cognitive dissonance that you're going to have to deal with
[01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:11.820]  It's not really a problem if you understand what the mechanism is. When you talk about filing criminal complaints, if you listen to this show and you listen to us
[01:34:11.820 --> 01:34:22.820]  after a while, you kind of get comfortable with this idea. But when you bring it up to someone who's never been here, it terrifies them
[01:34:22.820 --> 01:34:30.820]  And they're sure that you're going to get them all arrested and all of these unreasonable fears they have
[01:34:30.820 --> 01:34:35.820]  Now, you may disagree with the unreasonable fears, but they have them, so we have to deal with them
[01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:44.820]  And we were talking about this on the break, and the story I used, the metaphor that I used to structure this in
[01:34:44.820 --> 01:34:55.820]  Is I say, we do not want any of these guys indicted. We don't want anybody to actually get prosecuted for any of these criminal acts
[01:34:55.820 --> 01:35:08.820]  What we want is them to realize, guys, this is bad news. This is criminal. You could get into really big trouble doing this kind of stuff
[01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:19.820]  And me and everybody else out here, us individual citizens, we're the ones that can clobber you good
[01:35:19.820 --> 01:35:28.820]  So I think of these people, they're my public officials, and even these guys working for these companies, most people think they're good guys
[01:35:28.820 --> 01:35:35.820]  They want to be good guys, and I don't know of many people who think of themselves as a really dirty rotten scoundrel
[01:35:35.820 --> 01:35:43.820]  We are all really rational human beings, and we want to be the good guy, and when we do really bad rotten stuff
[01:35:43.820 --> 01:35:49.820]  We use our rational mind to do what it does best, we rationalize
[01:35:49.820 --> 01:35:56.820]  So all these people like to think of themselves as good guys, so just sometimes you need a little help
[01:35:56.820 --> 01:36:07.820]  Like my grandkids, I love them dearly, but if one of them runs out in the road, I am fixing it. Damn, he's hired
[01:36:07.820 --> 01:36:17.820]  And then we can go back to business. If we got rid of all of these officials that we think are corrupt and dirty rotten scoundrels
[01:36:17.820 --> 01:36:26.820]  And replaced them all, heck, we'd be in the same place. The county I live in, or even better, Johnson County
[01:36:26.820 --> 01:36:33.820]  Larry Weiss went down there to file some complaints with the county clerk, and she wouldn't let him file them
[01:36:33.820 --> 01:36:41.820]  So I sent him straight to the sheriff's department. He filed complaints with the sheriff's department, they took those and acted on them immediately
[01:36:41.820 --> 01:36:51.820]  No question, no hard time, they went right after him. And that's because I had been down there a couple years earlier
[01:36:51.820 --> 01:36:58.820]  And pammed their hides big time, presented the district attorney to the grand jury, almost got him
[01:36:58.820 --> 01:37:03.820]  And the district attorney said, that ain't happening to me again
[01:37:03.820 --> 01:37:09.820]  Now if you go to Johnson County and make a complaint against a public official, it goes straight to criminal complaints
[01:37:09.820 --> 01:37:16.820]  I don't know if he's given them to the grand jury yet, but they're going to do a song and dance and act like they're acting on them
[01:37:16.820 --> 01:37:25.820]  And it scares the bejesus out of everybody. The next day the clerk couldn't get him down there fast enough to get those things filed
[01:37:25.820 --> 01:37:35.820]  This is what we want. So if we can get that, then that kind of opens the door for us beating them up all we want to
[01:37:35.820 --> 01:37:40.820]  And it should make it easier for the group to pick it up
[01:37:40.820 --> 01:37:49.820]  I get a lot of guff from Eddie and Deborah about saying that I don't really want these guys indicted
[01:37:49.820 --> 01:37:55.820]  And I don't. Much better if I can beat them up real good and put them back in place
[01:37:55.820 --> 01:38:01.820]  Now I have somebody that will at least try to follow law. Does that make sense, Josh?
[01:38:01.820 --> 01:38:09.820]  Yes, and you know, I listen to your radio program just about every single time I can listen to it while I'm at work
[01:38:09.820 --> 01:38:15.820]  And I tell you, I enjoy it. And when I tell the stories that I hear, people cannot believe it
[01:38:15.820 --> 01:38:22.820]  And this type of train of thought and this type of action is exactly what we need around here
[01:38:22.820 --> 01:38:34.820]  And it is clear at all levels of government. Me and another guy went in to talk to the city secretary about a city charter amendment situation
[01:38:34.820 --> 01:38:40.820]  Asking what their duties were and everything. Well, the city secretary says, you know, oh, we can't tell you anything
[01:38:40.820 --> 01:38:44.820]  Our lawyers, you know, they tell us not to talk to you, we can't talk to you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
[01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:52.820]  And then after she stonewalled us and tries to get us to quit, she changes her nonverbal communication
[01:38:52.820 --> 01:38:55.820]  And starts asking us what we're doing and what we're going to do
[01:38:55.820 --> 01:39:00.820]  And the guy I was with, he started to answer a question and I looked right at her and I said
[01:39:00.820 --> 01:39:04.820]  We have no information regarding what charter amendments we will or will not propose
[01:39:04.820 --> 01:39:12.820]  And she about jumped out of her chair and got all upset, you know, and you know, I just thought it was funny
[01:39:12.820 --> 01:39:17.820]  Because they stonewall us at every level, they provide no information at every level
[01:39:17.820 --> 01:39:21.820]  And on top of that, you know, they think they can do this stuff at the electric board
[01:39:21.820 --> 01:39:29.820]  That you can fix and this takes a mindset
[01:39:29.820 --> 01:39:36.820]  This is what I was talking about open records earlier. Oh, I have so much fun with open records
[01:39:36.820 --> 01:39:44.820]  I went to the probation department in Wise County, Texas, because I looked through the criminal cases
[01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:53.820]  In 1999's when I did this, first six months, there were 1653 felony indictments brought
[01:39:53.820 --> 01:39:57.820]  One person pled not guilty by the court record
[01:39:57.820 --> 01:39:59.820]  Everybody took the deal
[01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:03.820]  Six fines assessed
[01:40:03.820 --> 01:40:11.820]  I said, what the heck is going on? Six fines out of 1653? What is going on here?
[01:40:11.820 --> 01:40:15.820]  Ah, wait a minute, where does the money go?
[01:40:15.820 --> 01:40:23.820]  Probation fees stay in the county, fines go to the general fund
[01:40:23.820 --> 01:40:32.820]  So they're forcing these guys to take a deal and then they extract from them in the form of probation fees all the money they can
[01:40:32.820 --> 01:40:36.820]  And if they got money left over, they assess a fine
[01:40:36.820 --> 01:40:40.820]  So I went to the probation department and stood in line waiting to get this little clerk
[01:40:40.820 --> 01:40:48.820]  I get up to the clerk and I said, my name is Randall Kelton, who is the custodian of the record for this department?
[01:40:48.820 --> 01:40:51.820]  She said, hello here, I'm Randall Kelton
[01:40:51.820 --> 01:40:55.820]  Well, just what is it that you need? I need the custodian of the record for this department
[01:40:55.820 --> 01:40:58.820]  She said, just what is it that you need?
[01:40:58.820 --> 01:41:01.820]  She's used to dealing with people on probation
[01:41:01.820 --> 01:41:05.820]  So I figure, okay, you want to be the custodian of the record, that'll work
[01:41:05.820 --> 01:41:09.820]  I said, I want to see all your financial records
[01:41:09.820 --> 01:41:13.820]  What? Who are you? I said, I'm Randall Kelton
[01:41:13.820 --> 01:41:19.820]  Well, who are you with? I look behind me, I look back, there's nobody back there
[01:41:19.820 --> 01:41:23.820]  Well, why do you want to see this? Don't ask me that
[01:41:23.820 --> 01:41:25.820]  She said, well, I'm asking you that
[01:41:25.820 --> 01:41:27.820]  I said, I told you not to ask me that
[01:41:27.820 --> 01:41:31.820]  Because if you ask me that, I'm going to have to take out my cell phone here
[01:41:31.820 --> 01:41:34.820]  Call 911 and ask the sheriff to come down here and rescue you
[01:41:34.820 --> 01:41:38.820]  Class A misdemeanor, misconduct, criminal violation, 552 government code
[01:41:38.820 --> 01:41:41.820]  Who is the custodian of the record?
[01:41:41.820 --> 01:41:48.820]  Well, I don't know who runs this office, Randy Moon, get him, zip, she's gone
[01:41:48.820 --> 01:41:50.820]  Randy Moon comes out
[01:41:50.820 --> 01:41:52.820]  He said, hello, I'm Randy Moon, what can I do for you?
[01:41:52.820 --> 01:41:54.820]  I said, my name is Randall Kelton
[01:41:54.820 --> 01:41:57.820]  I want to see all your financial records
[01:41:57.820 --> 01:41:59.820]  Well, who are you?
[01:41:59.820 --> 01:42:01.820]  Well, I'm Randall Kelton, I told you
[01:42:01.820 --> 01:42:03.820]  Well, who are you with?
[01:42:03.820 --> 01:42:05.820]  I look behind me, I look back
[01:42:05.820 --> 01:42:13.820]  I always like to do something so they're not sure if I'm joking or not
[01:42:13.820 --> 01:42:20.820]  That keeps them from saying that Mr. Kelton was agitated
[01:42:20.820 --> 01:42:22.820]  So I said, nobody back there
[01:42:22.820 --> 01:42:25.820]  Well, why do you want to see this? Don't ask me that
[01:42:25.820 --> 01:42:29.820]  He said, look, I'm asking you that, I need to know why you want to see this
[01:42:29.820 --> 01:42:31.820]  No, you don't
[01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:35.820]  He said, look, if you don't tell me why you want to see them, I'm not going to show them to you
[01:42:35.820 --> 01:42:37.820]  Oh, man, you shouldn't have said that
[01:42:37.820 --> 01:42:40.820]  I flipped over my phone, 911
[01:42:40.820 --> 01:42:42.820]  Said, hello, this is Randy Kelton
[01:42:42.820 --> 01:42:46.820]  And the dispatcher said, well, hello, Mr. Kelton, and he could hear it
[01:42:46.820 --> 01:42:47.820]  How are things going for you?
[01:42:47.820 --> 01:42:49.820]  Oh, they're going fine
[01:42:49.820 --> 01:42:53.820]  He said, just a moment, I'll get Rex as the chief of police
[01:42:53.820 --> 01:42:57.820]  Said, hello, Rex, hello, Mr. Kelton, what is it now?
[01:42:57.820 --> 01:43:00.820]  I told him, I'm down here at the probation department
[01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:04.820]  And I'm talking to a, what's your name?
[01:43:04.820 --> 01:43:05.820]  And he said, Randy Moon
[01:43:05.820 --> 01:43:09.820]  It's Randy Moon, and I need you to send an officer down here to arrest him for class A
[01:43:09.820 --> 01:43:14.820]  Mr. Muno-Fish Misconduct, criminal violation 552, government code
[01:43:14.820 --> 01:43:19.820]  He said, I'll send somebody right down there, thank you, Rex
[01:43:19.820 --> 01:43:24.820]  And he's standing there with his eyes bugging out, his face is all red
[01:43:24.820 --> 01:43:27.820]  He's not believing what's happening
[01:43:27.820 --> 01:43:31.820]  And I told him, don't go anywhere
[01:43:31.820 --> 01:43:33.820]  Somebody's going to want to talk to you
[01:43:33.820 --> 01:43:38.820]  And I went over and sat down, picked up a magazine
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[01:43:44.820 --> 01:43:47.820]  Set them up, sting them good
[01:43:47.820 --> 01:43:51.820]  That will change everything
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[01:46:58.820 --> 01:47:02.820]  Okay, we are back, Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio
[01:47:02.820 --> 01:47:06.820]  We're talking to Josh in Texas, we do need to move along
[01:47:06.820 --> 01:47:13.820]  But if you, once you learn the technique, and it's really easy to understand
[01:47:13.820 --> 01:47:16.820]  You're the CEO
[01:47:16.820 --> 01:47:20.820]  They give you a hard time about sovereign, okay, we don't want you sovereign
[01:47:20.820 --> 01:47:23.820]  I'm the CEO
[01:47:23.820 --> 01:47:29.820]  I walk into the city, I am the CEO, everybody here answers to me
[01:47:29.820 --> 01:47:32.820]  And I do not explain myself
[01:47:32.820 --> 01:47:41.820]  I tell you what I want, you give me what I want, and give me no crapola in the process
[01:47:41.820 --> 01:47:46.820]  One time you hammer, and I'm telling you there's nothing more fun than dialing 911
[01:47:46.820 --> 01:47:50.820]  And asking the police to come out and arrest a public official
[01:47:50.820 --> 01:47:54.820]  I did that to the clerk in Randall County
[01:47:54.820 --> 01:47:59.820]  And while I'm waiting for the police to show up, she wouldn't show me some records
[01:47:59.820 --> 01:48:03.820]  She said I'd have to look at them in the computer, and I told her I needed to see the hard copy
[01:48:03.820 --> 01:48:06.820]  She said, I don't have the personnel and I don't have the time to message you
[01:48:06.820 --> 01:48:08.820]  You'll have to look in the computer
[01:48:08.820 --> 01:48:11.820]  Wait right here, don't go anywhere
[01:48:11.820 --> 01:48:13.820]  Somebody's going to want to talk to you
[01:48:13.820 --> 01:48:17.820]  And I walked out and got the bailiffs
[01:48:17.820 --> 01:48:21.820]  And they got their lieutenant, and he mouthed me, so I called
[01:48:21.820 --> 01:48:23.820]  And I was filing against both of them
[01:48:23.820 --> 01:48:28.820]  While I'm sitting waiting for the police I had called to show up
[01:48:28.820 --> 01:48:32.820]  The clerk and the lieutenant stepped out
[01:48:32.820 --> 01:48:35.820]  And the lieutenant started to say something to me
[01:48:35.820 --> 01:48:37.820]  And I said, no, no, no, I can't talk to you
[01:48:37.820 --> 01:48:41.820]  I have someone coming, I'll give him a complete statement
[01:48:41.820 --> 01:48:45.820]  But since I'm filing against you, it would be inappropriate for me to have a conversation with you
[01:48:45.820 --> 01:48:49.820]  And the sergeant said, well, she has the records you asked for
[01:48:49.820 --> 01:48:53.820]  Sorry, Bubba, that bill's already been rung
[01:48:53.820 --> 01:48:55.820]  Too late
[01:48:55.820 --> 01:49:02.820]  And the look on the clerk's face was absolutely priceless
[01:49:02.820 --> 01:49:10.820]  She's got this look that says, I can't believe this is happening to me
[01:49:10.820 --> 01:49:13.820]  This works
[01:49:13.820 --> 01:49:20.820]  If you are the sovereign, you do not argue with the mail clerk
[01:49:20.820 --> 01:49:25.820]  If the mail clerk is screwing something up, you go to the mayor
[01:49:25.820 --> 01:49:28.820]  If it's a municipality, you go to the mayor
[01:49:28.820 --> 01:49:34.820]  He is respondeat superior and answers to you
[01:49:34.820 --> 01:49:40.820]  And you accuse the mayor of doing whatever that person's doing and hold him responsible
[01:49:40.820 --> 01:49:45.820]  If you've ever been in the military, you'll understand how this stuff rolls downhill
[01:49:45.820 --> 01:49:52.820]  Once you've done that to them once, their whole perspective changes really fast
[01:49:52.820 --> 01:49:57.820]  Plumbers understand the same procedure
[01:49:57.820 --> 01:49:59.820]  It all rolls downhill
[01:49:59.820 --> 01:50:02.820]  It all rolls downhill
[01:50:02.820 --> 01:50:07.820]  Okay, Josh, did we answer your questions?
[01:50:07.820 --> 01:50:17.820]  Well, the initial question I had was what laws have they violated by doing that?
[01:50:17.820 --> 01:50:28.820]  Theft, fraud, cause of action, that would be fraud per se
[01:50:28.820 --> 01:50:36.820]  I have to look, there's probably some more since they're quasi-public officials
[01:50:36.820 --> 01:50:38.820]  That goes into bunko
[01:50:38.820 --> 01:50:42.820]  They're billing you for stuff that you don't own
[01:50:42.820 --> 01:50:44.820]  That's just straight-up fraud
[01:50:44.820 --> 01:50:48.820]  And that's criminal fraud
[01:50:48.820 --> 01:50:49.820]  So look at the fraud statute
[01:50:49.820 --> 01:50:52.820]  I forget what it is in Texas, I just looked at it
[01:50:52.820 --> 01:50:55.820]  It's in 30-something section of the penal code
[01:50:55.820 --> 01:50:59.820]  But read the fraud section
[01:50:59.820 --> 01:51:01.820]  Fraud within the complaint
[01:51:01.820 --> 01:51:02.820]  I'm sorry, Joe?
[01:51:02.820 --> 01:51:06.820]  All five elements of fraud must be in the complaint
[01:51:06.820 --> 01:51:08.820]  Right, you've got to meet all the elements
[01:51:08.820 --> 01:51:09.820]  Yeah
[01:51:09.820 --> 01:51:10.820]  Intent being one of them
[01:51:10.820 --> 01:51:16.820]  And you can prove intent because they have already said that they're not going to pay anybody back
[01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:23.820]  Yeah, and if they have that on the record, you know, that deal's done, that can't undo it
[01:51:23.820 --> 01:51:26.820]  It's like Randy said, that bell's been rung
[01:51:26.820 --> 01:51:28.820]  Yeah, that's the way I see it
[01:51:28.820 --> 01:51:33.820]  Even if they went back and rescinded the increase
[01:51:33.820 --> 01:51:36.820]  To me, it doesn't matter whether they go back on it or not
[01:51:36.820 --> 01:51:40.820]  If they're not making...
[01:51:40.820 --> 01:51:42.820]  Okay, wait a minute, this is in code
[01:51:42.820 --> 01:51:45.820]  In the code, there will be an affirmative defense
[01:51:45.820 --> 01:51:48.820]  And the affirmative defense will be
[01:51:48.820 --> 01:51:56.820]  Is that before the alleged error became known
[01:51:56.820 --> 01:52:03.820]  And before it was clear that allegations would be made, that it would be discovered
[01:52:03.820 --> 01:52:08.820]  If you returned the funds voluntarily
[01:52:08.820 --> 01:52:11.820]  That'll be an affirmative defense
[01:52:11.820 --> 01:52:13.820]  But they didn't
[01:52:13.820 --> 01:52:15.820]  They said they weren't going to
[01:52:15.820 --> 01:52:20.820]  So when I write a complaint, I'll say they did this
[01:52:20.820 --> 01:52:26.820]  You know, they acted with knowledge of the impropriety of their act
[01:52:26.820 --> 01:52:34.820]  They made a presentment or a claim for payment they knew were fraudulent
[01:52:34.820 --> 01:52:40.820]  They intended that I take the claim as true
[01:52:40.820 --> 01:52:44.820]  They tended that I act on the claim as true
[01:52:44.820 --> 01:52:47.820]  I did act on the claim as if it were true
[01:52:47.820 --> 01:52:49.820]  And I was harmed thereby
[01:52:49.820 --> 01:52:51.820]  Now, that may not be exactly all of it
[01:52:51.820 --> 01:52:53.820]  That's most of what goes to fraud
[01:52:53.820 --> 01:52:58.820]  Look at the fraud statute and look at each of the elements
[01:52:58.820 --> 01:53:00.820]  And just write you a statement
[01:53:00.820 --> 01:53:08.820]  I generally, when I do it, I paraphrase the statute itself
[01:53:08.820 --> 01:53:11.820]  And kind of write it in the verbiage of the statute
[01:53:11.820 --> 01:53:15.820]  And that tends to give the complaint a lot more oomph
[01:53:15.820 --> 01:53:19.820]  Hey, Randy, I just got a message here from a trusted listener
[01:53:19.820 --> 01:53:23.820]  Says that intent doesn't have to be in it necessarily
[01:53:23.820 --> 01:53:28.820]  It's quote unquote either knowingly acting, either knowingly or recklessly
[01:53:28.820 --> 01:53:29.820]  Yes
[01:53:29.820 --> 01:53:32.820]  So you can certainly, certainly show reckless behavior
[01:53:32.820 --> 01:53:37.820]  Okay, intent in law as it goes to culpability
[01:53:37.820 --> 01:53:42.820]  Does not mean that you intended to commit a crime
[01:53:42.820 --> 01:53:47.820]  It means that you intended the result of your action
[01:53:47.820 --> 01:53:52.820]  If the result of your action happens to be a crime
[01:53:52.820 --> 01:53:54.820]  But you didn't know it was a crime
[01:53:54.820 --> 01:53:58.820]  Sorry, Bubba, life is tough
[01:53:58.820 --> 01:54:01.820]  That does not go to culpability
[01:54:01.820 --> 01:54:02.820]  That's a common maxim
[01:54:02.820 --> 01:54:05.820]  That goes to a common maxim that
[01:54:05.820 --> 01:54:07.820]  Oh, gee, now I'm a brain short-circuited
[01:54:07.820 --> 01:54:09.820]  I can't remember the maxim now
[01:54:09.820 --> 01:54:14.820]  Yeah, all crimes are thought crimes
[01:54:14.820 --> 01:54:16.820]  I've heard people, you know, they're calling the show
[01:54:16.820 --> 01:54:21.820]  And they complain about them passing laws that are thought crimes
[01:54:21.820 --> 01:54:25.820]  Well, all laws are thought crimes
[01:54:25.820 --> 01:54:29.820]  I once punched a woman upside her head
[01:54:29.820 --> 01:54:34.820]  For the purpose of knocking her smooth out
[01:54:34.820 --> 01:54:37.820]  Did I commit a crime?
[01:54:37.820 --> 01:54:42.820]  Well, the thing was, since we were about a quarter mile out in Lake Michigan
[01:54:42.820 --> 01:54:43.820]  We'd been caught
[01:54:43.820 --> 01:54:45.820]  She had gotten caught in a riptide and was pulled way out there
[01:54:45.820 --> 01:54:49.820]  I went out there to get her and twice she nearly drowned me
[01:54:49.820 --> 01:54:51.820]  The third time I come up
[01:54:51.820 --> 01:54:54.820]  I did everything I could to knock her smooth out
[01:54:54.820 --> 01:54:56.820]  Well, I didn't knock her out
[01:54:56.820 --> 01:54:58.820]  I did black her eye
[01:54:58.820 --> 01:55:01.820]  But she quit fighting me and I drug her in
[01:55:01.820 --> 01:55:04.820]  It's not what you do
[01:55:04.820 --> 01:55:08.820]  It's how you hold your mind when you do what you do
[01:55:08.820 --> 01:55:13.820]  My intent was to save her life
[01:55:13.820 --> 01:55:19.820]  So what I had to do to save her life was not a crime
[01:55:19.820 --> 01:55:24.820]  If I intend to collect money from you
[01:55:24.820 --> 01:55:29.820]  And it turns out that I don't have a right to collect that money from you
[01:55:29.820 --> 01:55:33.820]  Then I can be charged with the crime
[01:55:33.820 --> 01:55:40.820]  If I can show that I collected the money by bona fide mistake
[01:55:40.820 --> 01:55:44.820]  And before the mistake was discovered
[01:55:44.820 --> 01:55:45.820]  I returned the money
[01:55:45.820 --> 01:55:49.820]  That's going to be an affirmative defense
[01:55:49.820 --> 01:55:52.820]  You've got no affirmative defense though
[01:55:52.820 --> 01:55:55.820]  If that money gained you interest and you did not return the interest
[01:55:55.820 --> 01:55:57.820]  And I remembered that maxim
[01:55:57.820 --> 01:56:03.820]  Ignorance of the fact excuses while ignorance of the law excuses not
[01:56:03.820 --> 01:56:05.820]  That's the maxim I was looking for
[01:56:05.820 --> 01:56:06.820]  Exactly
[01:56:06.820 --> 01:56:10.820]  And if you do that, you're screwed
[01:56:10.820 --> 01:56:14.820]  Especially if you're a public official
[01:56:14.820 --> 01:56:21.820]  One of my favorite cases, Grooves v. US
[01:56:21.820 --> 01:56:24.820]  Two deputies and a sheriff, Mississippi, 1945
[01:56:24.820 --> 01:56:26.820]  They're upset at this black guy
[01:56:26.820 --> 01:56:28.820]  They're drinking in a bar
[01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:29.820]  They're going to go arrest him
[01:56:29.820 --> 01:56:31.820]  Bartender tries to talk him out of it
[01:56:31.820 --> 01:56:32.820]  They won't be dissuaded
[01:56:32.820 --> 01:56:35.820]  They arrest him, beat him to death on the courthouse steps
[01:56:35.820 --> 01:56:37.820]  They're prosecuted in the state
[01:56:37.820 --> 01:56:38.820]  They're sued in the state
[01:56:38.820 --> 01:56:40.820]  Then they're sued in the Fed
[01:56:40.820 --> 01:56:41.820]  And they said, wait a minute
[01:56:41.820 --> 01:56:45.820]  We didn't have notice that we could be sued in the Fed
[01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:48.820]  And this is a very long case
[01:56:48.820 --> 01:56:51.820]  And it's still very good law
[01:56:51.820 --> 01:57:00.820]  What the crux of it was is said that if a public official violates the ruling of this court
[01:57:00.820 --> 01:57:10.820]  And he be saying he may not be heard to say he knows not what he does
[01:57:10.820 --> 01:57:14.820]  I read that and said, holy mackerel
[01:57:14.820 --> 01:57:20.820]  Not only do they have to know the law concerning their duty
[01:57:20.820 --> 01:57:28.820]  They have to know all of the current case law interpreting that law concerning their duty
[01:57:28.820 --> 01:57:32.820]  They can't plead ignorance
[01:57:32.820 --> 01:57:36.820]  Okay, do you have anything else for us?
[01:57:36.820 --> 01:57:40.820]  Have we pretty well answered your questions, Josh?
[01:57:40.820 --> 01:57:42.820]  Right, yes
[01:57:42.820 --> 01:57:48.820]  Yeah, we're basically just trying to find the direction that we need to be taking
[01:57:48.820 --> 01:57:52.820]  In order to get some justice on this matter
[01:57:52.820 --> 01:57:59.820]  Okay, I'm going to suggest initially that you don't know where you're going
[01:57:59.820 --> 01:58:02.820]  So back up, take a look
[01:58:02.820 --> 01:58:05.820]  Do a little research, do some really pointed research
[01:58:05.820 --> 01:58:10.820]  Especially some pointed information requests
[01:58:10.820 --> 01:58:18.820]  Check with the city and see what rules and regulations they have concerning these entities they contract with
[01:58:18.820 --> 01:58:21.820]  You want to see their contract with the city
[01:58:21.820 --> 01:58:28.820]  Start digging out information, that secures them more than anything
[01:58:28.820 --> 01:58:31.820]  Just back up and start sharp shooting them
[01:58:31.820 --> 01:58:35.820]  And if they give you any difficulty getting the information
[01:58:35.820 --> 01:58:38.820]  File criminal charges under open records
[01:58:38.820 --> 01:58:41.820]  And then pre-litigation discovery
[01:58:41.820 --> 01:58:44.820]  Look in the Code of Criminal Procedure, I think it's 230
[01:58:44.820 --> 01:58:49.820]  I'm sorry, the rules of civil procedure, I think it's 230
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