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[04:25.960 --> 04:30.680]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens on our Thursday night,
[04:30.680 --> 04:34.380]  June the 20th, Rule of Law Radio.
[04:35.440 --> 04:39.520]  And I do have a subject I wanna talk about tonight.
[04:41.040 --> 04:46.040]  Prepare to be afraid, prepare to be very afraid.
[04:48.640 --> 04:53.640]  In looking at what is going on around us,
[04:53.640 --> 04:56.840]  I'm an engineer and I have interests
[04:56.840 --> 04:59.320]  in all sorts of technologies
[04:59.320 --> 05:03.680]  and especially the developments in technology.
[05:05.080 --> 05:09.360]  And my recent research is worrying me greatly.
[05:10.520 --> 05:13.560]  We're all jumping up and down, waving our arms
[05:13.560 --> 05:15.800]  and railing in righteous indignation
[05:15.800 --> 05:19.160]  about the dirty rotten scandal Obama administration,
[05:19.160 --> 05:20.960]  listen to all our phone calls.
[05:20.960 --> 05:25.760]  Well, they built a building to do that with in 1999.
[05:25.760 --> 05:30.640]  There was a major shortage in processors at the time.
[05:30.640 --> 05:33.320]  And that was because the federal government
[05:33.320 --> 05:35.280]  bought a million processors
[05:35.280 --> 05:37.800]  and put them in a six-story building in Denver, Colorado
[05:37.800 --> 05:39.440]  to listen to all our phone calls.
[05:41.520 --> 05:44.880]  So what are we doing here 14 years later,
[05:44.880 --> 05:47.160]  all of a sudden jumping up and down, waving our arms?
[05:47.160 --> 05:49.600]  Where have we been?
[05:49.600 --> 05:53.880]  We are complaining about something
[05:53.880 --> 05:57.120]  that is already beyond our control.
[05:57.120 --> 06:02.120]  This notion of anonymity, not in this culture.
[06:02.920 --> 06:05.320]  And looking at some of the technologies
[06:05.320 --> 06:08.320]  that are at present coming online,
[06:08.320 --> 06:13.320]  the idea of anonymity is just not possible in this culture.
[06:14.440 --> 06:17.240]  If we wanted to fix that, if we wanted to stop that,
[06:17.240 --> 06:20.920]  we need to be looking at this 15, 20 years ago.
[06:23.000 --> 06:24.800]  Now it's too late.
[06:24.800 --> 06:27.360]  Well, Randy, actually there are quite a number
[06:27.360 --> 06:30.760]  of encryption programs for different voiceover IP
[06:30.760 --> 06:34.200]  and that even people in the NSA agree that it works.
[06:34.200 --> 06:37.040]  So you just have to try a little bit harder
[06:37.040 --> 06:39.560]  to make sure you protect your anonymity, that's all.
[06:39.560 --> 06:43.120]  You use search engines like X-Quick and StartPage
[06:43.120 --> 06:45.040]  and stuff like that that use proxies.
[06:45.040 --> 06:47.800]  And you know for a fact that it's third party certified
[06:47.800 --> 06:52.080]  and verified by companies in multiple different countries
[06:52.080 --> 06:55.280]  that they do not store your IP address,
[06:55.280 --> 06:56.560]  they don't report it to any government.
[06:56.560 --> 06:58.960]  So you can have anonymous searching online,
[06:58.960 --> 07:02.160]  but if you click on a link, that could get recorded.
[07:02.160 --> 07:04.920]  So you have to make sure that you use something like Tor
[07:04.920 --> 07:08.440]  in order to actually go to those websites
[07:08.440 --> 07:11.640]  without it being recorded.
[07:11.640 --> 07:16.120]  Because as of right now, only the searches are recorded.
[07:19.120 --> 07:23.160]  That's really not, that was just a precursor
[07:23.160 --> 07:24.120]  to the place I wanted to go.
[07:24.120 --> 07:26.720]  But yeah, at any rate, so you can use,
[07:26.720 --> 07:30.360]  you can use, you know, anonymous encryption
[07:30.360 --> 07:32.520]  and stuff like, you can use encryption and stuff like that
[07:32.520 --> 07:34.920]  to be able to communicate anonymously.
[07:34.920 --> 07:37.960]  You just have to work a little bit harder at it, that's all.
[07:37.960 --> 07:42.040]  I don't want people out there to lose all hope.
[07:42.040 --> 07:44.400]  And anonymity is not a dream.
[07:44.400 --> 07:47.680]  And it's not a pipe dream, and it's not, you know,
[07:47.680 --> 07:50.720]  something that is like totally unreachable.
[07:50.720 --> 07:52.600]  You just have to know what you're doing,
[07:52.600 --> 07:53.960]  work a little bit harder, that's all.
[07:53.960 --> 07:55.440]  Okay, so go ahead.
[07:55.440 --> 07:56.880]  Okay.
[07:56.880 --> 08:01.880]  There are much, much bigger issues on the horizon.
[08:01.880 --> 08:05.520]  Everyone should be familiar with DARPA,
[08:05.520 --> 08:09.520]  Defense Advanced Research Project Agency.
[08:11.520 --> 08:14.960]  These are the boys that fund all the really cool stuff.
[08:15.960 --> 08:19.840]  And they let some of the information out.
[08:19.840 --> 08:21.920]  They don't let the really good stuff out.
[08:23.080 --> 08:26.560]  But they do make some of the information available.
[08:26.560 --> 08:31.560]  And just what they're making available is frightening.
[08:33.560 --> 08:37.160]  And if you, I was watching a program about dark matter,
[08:38.600 --> 08:43.600]  and the government developed a 120 megapixel camera
[08:45.040 --> 08:50.040]  for the purpose of photographing the dark energy
[08:50.040 --> 08:55.040]  background of the cosmos was, well, as happens,
[08:56.760 --> 08:59.720]  I'm looking through DARPA, and DARPA has taken
[08:59.720 --> 09:03.400]  that 120 megapixel camera that they created
[09:03.400 --> 09:06.080]  to photograph the cosmos with.
[09:06.080 --> 09:09.120]  They attached a human being to it,
[09:09.120 --> 09:14.200]  and they're using it to analyze the dark energy
[09:14.200 --> 09:16.160]  background of the cosmos.
[09:16.160 --> 09:21.160]  And they're using it to analyze photo,
[09:21.640 --> 09:25.160]  reconnaissance photos from drones.
[09:25.160 --> 09:26.560]  Let me read you this article.
[09:26.560 --> 09:28.480]  After more than four years of research,
[09:28.480 --> 09:31.480]  DARPA has created a system that successfully
[09:31.480 --> 09:35.040]  combines soldiers EEG brainwave scanners,
[09:35.040 --> 09:39.400]  120 megapixel cameras, and multiple computers
[09:39.400 --> 09:42.760]  running cognitive visual processing algorithms
[09:42.760 --> 09:44.720]  in a cybernetic hive mind.
[09:44.720 --> 09:49.720]  Called the cognitive technology threat warning system.
[09:50.000 --> 09:55.000]  It will be used in combat settings to significantly
[09:56.000 --> 09:59.320]  improve the army's threat detection capabilities.
[10:00.920 --> 10:03.400]  It produced great components to the system,
[10:03.400 --> 10:07.400]  120 megapixel camera, which is a tripod mounted
[10:07.400 --> 10:11.160]  and looks over a battlefield, and the computer system
[10:11.160 --> 10:13.760]  where a soldier sits in front of the computer monitors
[10:13.760 --> 10:16.360]  with an EEG strapped to his head.
[10:19.360 --> 10:22.400]  Images from the camera are fed into the system
[10:22.400 --> 10:26.120]  which runs cognitive visual processing algorithms
[10:26.120 --> 10:31.120]  to detect possible threats in combatant snipers nested IEDs.
[10:31.680 --> 10:34.360]  These possible threats are then shown to a soldier
[10:34.360 --> 10:37.640]  whose brain then works out if they're real threats
[10:37.640 --> 10:39.840]  or a false alarm.
[10:39.840 --> 10:43.120]  Okay, that sounds fair enough.
[10:43.120 --> 10:44.480]  Fair enough, right?
[10:45.600 --> 10:48.440]  Now we get to the good part.
[10:48.440 --> 10:53.080]  The soldier is linked to the computer via an EEG,
[10:53.080 --> 10:57.240]  electroencephalogram, brain computer interface
[10:57.240 --> 11:02.240]  that continually scans his brain for P300 responses.
[11:03.400 --> 11:06.360]  As we've discussed previously, and I'll go to that
[11:06.360 --> 11:10.200]  hacker's back door to the human mind article in a minute,
[11:10.200 --> 11:14.120]  a P300 response is triggered when your brain recognizes
[11:14.120 --> 11:15.760]  something important.
[11:15.760 --> 11:17.720]  That might be a face of someone you know
[11:17.720 --> 11:19.760]  or the glint of a sniper scope.
[11:19.760 --> 11:20.600]  It doesn't matter.
[11:20.600 --> 11:23.560]  PC3 responses are very reliable
[11:23.560 --> 11:26.400]  and could even be triggered subconsciously.
[11:26.400 --> 11:31.400]  In short, CT2WS taps the human brain's unsurpassed ability
[11:32.480 --> 11:34.640]  to recognize objects.
[11:34.640 --> 11:38.960]  In testing, the 120 megapixel camera combined
[11:38.960 --> 11:41.760]  with the computer vision algorithms
[11:41.760 --> 11:46.240]  generated 810 false alarms per hour
[11:46.240 --> 11:49.120]  with a human operator strapped to the EEG
[11:49.120 --> 11:52.760]  that drops down to just five false alarms per hour.
[11:53.760 --> 11:57.160]  The human brain is surprisingly fast too.
[11:58.040 --> 12:01.920]  Now, some of you will recognize what this one means.
[12:01.920 --> 12:06.920]  According to DARPA, the CT2WS displays
[12:06.920 --> 12:10.400]  10 images per second to the human operator,
[12:10.400 --> 12:14.480]  and yet that doesn't seem to affect accuracy.
[12:14.480 --> 12:18.040]  The total of all accuracy of the system is 91%,
[12:18.040 --> 12:19.640]  but that will improve as DARPA moves
[12:19.640 --> 12:21.640]  beyond the prototype stage.
[12:22.680 --> 12:27.680]  Do you understand the meaning of 10 images per second?
[12:27.680 --> 12:32.680]  Images per second, if I flash 15 images per second
[12:35.120 --> 12:40.120]  in a movie reel, the images moving on the screen
[12:40.960 --> 12:42.800]  will seem to be continuous.
[12:42.800 --> 12:46.520]  That's the point at which they'll stop flickering.
[12:48.800 --> 12:52.280]  This gives you an idea of how fast these images
[12:52.280 --> 12:54.580]  are flashing before this individual.
[12:54.580 --> 12:58.580]  10 per second, there is absolutely no way on earth
[12:58.580 --> 13:03.580]  he can consciously see and assimilate 10 frames per second.
[13:06.340 --> 13:07.980]  This guy's a cyborg.
[13:10.380 --> 13:14.060]  This is an example of the machine using the human
[13:14.060 --> 13:16.620]  rather than the human using the machine.
[13:16.620 --> 13:19.100]  And a little later, we'll talk about the Spinnaker chip,
[13:19.100 --> 13:21.180]  which is even more frightening.
[13:21.180 --> 13:26.180]  Now let's go to Hackers Back Door to the Human Brain.
[13:28.460 --> 13:33.460]  This is an earlier article on a somewhat similar subject.
[13:33.980 --> 13:36.580]  This demonstrates how our federal government
[13:36.580 --> 13:41.580]  takes research and turns it into weapons.
[13:44.140 --> 13:46.500]  Sorry, it's taking a little bit for this to come up.
[13:46.500 --> 13:49.660]  Human brain may be fast, but my computer is not.
[13:49.660 --> 13:51.700]  Hackers Back Door to the Human Brain
[13:51.700 --> 13:55.780]  successfully extract sensitive data.
[13:55.780 --> 14:00.780]  Now, this has an image showing a person
[14:01.740 --> 14:06.740]  in a over-the-counter EEG receptor.
[14:08.260 --> 14:09.900]  It's a headset you can put on.
[14:09.900 --> 14:11.860]  You get them for two, $300.
[14:11.860 --> 14:16.180]  With a chilling hint of the not-so-distant future,
[14:16.180 --> 14:18.980]  researchers at the USENIX Security Conference
[14:18.980 --> 14:22.980]  have demonstrated a zero-day vulnerability in your brain.
[14:22.980 --> 14:26.460]  Using a commercial, off-the-shelf brain-computer interface,
[14:26.460 --> 14:28.900]  the researchers have shown that it's possible
[14:28.900 --> 14:31.900]  to hack your brain, forcing you to reveal information
[14:31.900 --> 14:34.300]  that you'd rather keep secret.
[14:34.300 --> 14:35.460]  As we've covered in the past,
[14:35.460 --> 14:37.580]  brain-computer interfaces can be used
[14:37.580 --> 14:39.780]  to help you understand your brain.
[14:39.780 --> 14:42.540]  As we've covered in the past, brain-computer interface
[14:42.540 --> 14:44.900]  is a two-part device.
[14:44.900 --> 14:46.980]  There's the hardware, which is usually a headset,
[14:46.980 --> 14:50.380]  an EEG, an electrocephalogram,
[14:50.380 --> 14:53.980]  with sensors that rest on your scalp and software,
[14:53.980 --> 14:56.300]  which processes your brain activity
[14:56.300 --> 14:58.380]  and tries to work out what you try to do.
[14:59.540 --> 15:02.140]  BCIs are generally used in medical setting
[15:02.140 --> 15:05.140]  with expensive equipment, but in the last few years,
[15:05.140 --> 15:07.900]  cheaper commercial offerings have emerged.
[15:07.900 --> 15:12.900]  For $200 or $300, you can buy an Emotiv or Neurosky BCI,
[15:15.100 --> 15:17.260]  go through the short training process,
[15:17.260 --> 15:19.620]  and begin controlling your computer.
[15:21.100 --> 15:24.260]  Both of these commercial BCIs have an API,
[15:24.260 --> 15:27.260]  an interface that allows developers
[15:27.260 --> 15:30.460]  to use the BCI's output in their own programs.
[15:31.820 --> 15:33.940]  In this case, the security researchers
[15:33.940 --> 15:36.580]  from the University of Oxford in Geneva
[15:36.580 --> 15:38.220]  and the University of California Berkeley
[15:38.220 --> 15:41.860]  created a custom program that was specially designed
[15:41.860 --> 15:45.580]  with the sole purpose of finding out sensitive data,
[15:45.580 --> 15:49.780]  such as the location of your home, your debit card PIN,
[15:49.780 --> 15:53.060]  what bank you use, and your birth date of birth.
[15:53.060 --> 15:54.860]  These researchers tried out their program
[15:54.860 --> 15:57.940]  on 28 participants who were cooperative
[15:57.940 --> 16:00.540]  and didn't know they were being brain hacked.
[16:00.540 --> 16:04.660]  And in general, the experiments had a 10 to 40% chance
[16:04.660 --> 16:09.460]  of success of obtaining useful information.
[16:09.460 --> 16:11.180]  To extract this information,
[16:11.180 --> 16:16.180]  the researchers rely on what's known as P300 response,
[16:16.420 --> 16:20.020]  a very specific brainwave pattern that occurs
[16:20.020 --> 16:22.540]  when you recognize something that is meaningful
[16:22.540 --> 16:26.420]  or when you recognize something that fits your current task.
[16:26.420 --> 16:29.660]  The researchers basically designed a program
[16:29.660 --> 16:33.460]  that flashes up pictures of maps, banks, and card pins
[16:33.460 --> 16:37.660]  that makes the note every time your brain experiences a P300.
[16:39.100 --> 16:42.340]  Combined with the one before this,
[16:42.340 --> 16:45.540]  they can flash at 10 frames to a second
[16:45.540 --> 16:49.580]  and you will never see it consciously.
[16:49.580 --> 16:52.500]  This is Randy Kelton Davis-Stevens in Rule of Law Radio.
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[19:10.340 --> 19:24.500]  ["Look What We Got"]
[19:24.500 --> 19:26.140]  Look what we got
[19:26.140 --> 19:28.980]  We asked a Christian
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[19:34.100 --> 19:36.580]  They're not abiding
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[19:41.060 --> 19:43.620]  Okay, folks, this is The Rule of Law tonight,
[19:43.620 --> 19:45.300]  June 20th, Thursday.
[19:45.300 --> 19:48.260]  I'm Debra Stevens here with Randy Kelton.
[19:48.260 --> 19:50.460]  And I just wanted to comment real quickly,
[19:50.460 --> 19:54.660]  this is why you shouldn't be watching the Tyvai, folks, okay?
[19:54.660 --> 19:56.860]  Get away from the boob tube.
[19:56.860 --> 19:58.740]  Get away from the Tyvai.
[19:58.740 --> 20:00.140]  I'm serious.
[20:00.140 --> 20:03.780]  And this gives me a chance to plug
[20:03.780 --> 20:08.460]  one of the new movies that I am very happy to be part of.
[20:08.460 --> 20:13.860]  I was the head audio engineer for the movie State of Mind,
[20:13.860 --> 20:15.540]  The Psychology of Control.
[20:15.540 --> 20:21.180]  This is the second film that I have been the chief audio engineer on
[20:21.180 --> 20:25.500]  in my career of doing audio mastering work.
[20:25.500 --> 20:28.700]  I'm very happy to have been part of that film,
[20:28.700 --> 20:30.980]  both of the films, A Noble Lie,
[20:30.980 --> 20:35.100]  as well as State of Mind, The Psychology of Control.
[20:35.100 --> 20:39.620]  And so, folks, I encourage you all to get it.
[20:39.620 --> 20:41.260]  It has been released.
[20:41.260 --> 20:46.380]  And InfoWars, Alex Jones is the sole outlet right now.
[20:46.380 --> 20:49.940]  He has an exclusive on distribution for the first 90 days.
[20:49.940 --> 20:54.180]  And actually, I'm trying to remember what the date is going to be.
[20:54.180 --> 20:56.500]  I believe it's sometime next week,
[20:56.500 --> 21:00.140]  I believe the 25th, possibly next Tuesday.
[21:00.140 --> 21:04.460]  Alex is going to be interviewing some of the filmmakers,
[21:04.460 --> 21:06.140]  some of the producers of the film.
[21:06.140 --> 21:08.980]  I wasn't the producer. I'm the chief audio engineer.
[21:08.980 --> 21:12.260]  But he's going to be interviewing a couple of the producers in studio
[21:12.260 --> 21:16.500]  next week, I believe it's next Tuesday night.
[21:16.500 --> 21:22.300]  And they're going to be having the world premiere of the film
[21:22.300 --> 21:26.260]  on InfoWars, on PrisonPlanet.tv.
[21:26.260 --> 21:30.020]  So, folks, if you want to see the film,
[21:30.020 --> 21:33.140]  you can become a PrisonPlanet.tv subscriber.
[21:33.140 --> 21:35.340]  Go to PrisonPlanet.tv.
[21:35.340 --> 21:39.460]  Even if you watch it on the broadcast next week,
[21:39.460 --> 21:42.820]  on the Nightly News, on the InfoWars Nightly News,
[21:42.820 --> 21:46.540]  I do encourage you to get the film, buy the DVD.
[21:46.540 --> 21:51.940]  We have it on Blu-ray as well as on regular DVD.
[21:51.940 --> 21:53.940]  And so, folks, on HD.
[21:53.940 --> 21:55.420]  So, folks, please get the film.
[21:55.420 --> 21:57.380]  Please support the filmmakers.
[21:57.380 --> 22:00.820]  Because when you buy this product,
[22:00.820 --> 22:03.420]  then I get a paycheck, okay?
[22:03.420 --> 22:06.500]  And I am doing this not so much for the money,
[22:06.500 --> 22:09.420]  but to get the word out, just like I did with Noble Lie.
[22:09.420 --> 22:12.820]  But, folks, it takes hundreds and hundreds of hours
[22:12.820 --> 22:16.940]  just for one person's participation in the film.
[22:16.940 --> 22:22.740]  I mean, I probably put maybe 1,500 hours into State of Mind.
[22:22.740 --> 22:26.220]  I probably put about 3,000 hours into Noble Lie.
[22:26.220 --> 22:28.980]  And so I'm not independently wealthy, folks.
[22:28.980 --> 22:32.220]  I mean, somebody, I have to get paid for my time
[22:32.220 --> 22:34.260]  because I have bills to pay as well.
[22:34.260 --> 22:37.020]  I have to, you know, keep the electricity on
[22:37.020 --> 22:38.220]  and that sort of thing.
[22:38.220 --> 22:39.780]  And so, folks, if you want,
[22:39.780 --> 22:43.020]  if you can't be a filmmaker yourself,
[22:43.020 --> 22:46.340]  then you can support people like me who are filmmakers
[22:46.340 --> 22:47.380]  to get the word out.
[22:47.380 --> 22:51.060]  That is your contribution to the message of liberty
[22:51.060 --> 22:52.660]  and to the message of truth.
[22:52.660 --> 22:55.460]  If you cannot be part of these projects yourself,
[22:55.460 --> 23:00.500]  then you can be part of the project by purchasing the end product.
[23:00.500 --> 23:02.260]  And so I do encourage everyone.
[23:02.260 --> 23:03.980]  And Randy, you're going to love this film.
[23:03.980 --> 23:06.020]  I mean, this is right up your alley.
[23:06.020 --> 23:11.900]  It's the history of mind control ever since the 30s.
[23:11.900 --> 23:15.660]  And honestly, the psychology of mind control
[23:15.660 --> 23:17.700]  goes back to the beginning of time.
[23:17.700 --> 23:22.340]  I mean, humans have been playing mind control experiments
[23:22.340 --> 23:25.260]  and playing mind control tricks on each other
[23:25.260 --> 23:27.260]  ever since, ever since.
[23:27.260 --> 23:29.860]  But it's just been within the last 100 years or so
[23:29.860 --> 23:34.020]  that the technology has become so advanced,
[23:34.020 --> 23:37.460]  not just in the physical technological realm,
[23:37.460 --> 23:39.620]  like you're talking about this, you know,
[23:39.620 --> 23:42.220]  these 10 frames per second.
[23:42.220 --> 23:45.780]  And 30 frames per second is broadcast quality, by the way.
[23:45.780 --> 23:49.940]  And so, yeah, there's not a whole lot of visible difference
[23:49.940 --> 23:52.380]  unless you have a very trained eye
[23:52.380 --> 23:55.420]  between 10 frames per second and 30 frames per second.
[23:55.420 --> 23:59.300]  And so with the technology the way it is now,
[23:59.300 --> 24:01.140]  and not only the physical technology,
[24:01.140 --> 24:03.700]  but the psychological technology,
[24:03.700 --> 24:07.300]  the technology of psychology itself,
[24:07.300 --> 24:14.060]  the psychology of mind control has just grown exponentially,
[24:14.060 --> 24:16.980]  even since the time of Edward Bernays,
[24:16.980 --> 24:18.580]  who wrote the book Propaganda.
[24:18.580 --> 24:23.460]  He was the one who basically convinced, you know,
[24:23.460 --> 24:24.820]  not only the entire nation,
[24:24.820 --> 24:27.900]  but the entire, you know, many, many millions of people
[24:27.900 --> 24:30.260]  in the world to support Hitler.
[24:30.260 --> 24:34.380]  And so, you know, what is going on now?
[24:34.380 --> 24:36.780]  Even Bernays could not have dreamed up.
[24:36.780 --> 24:39.660]  And it's so just incredible.
[24:39.660 --> 24:42.220]  It really will just about blow your mind
[24:42.220 --> 24:45.100]  if you're not used to these concepts.
[24:45.100 --> 24:47.140]  I mean, when I was listening to these interviews,
[24:47.140 --> 24:48.740]  I was like, yep, yep.
[24:48.740 --> 24:50.340]  I always figured that's the way it was.
[24:50.340 --> 24:53.460]  Yep, I mean, it didn't surprise me much.
[24:53.460 --> 24:54.660]  There was a few, I have to admit,
[24:54.660 --> 24:56.300]  there was a few things that were kind of surprising.
[24:56.300 --> 24:59.700]  I was like, man, they can really do that.
[24:59.700 --> 25:01.500]  You know, but it's an incredible movie.
[25:01.500 --> 25:03.540]  There's so many incredible people in the film.
[25:03.540 --> 25:05.460]  And I just encourage everyone to get it
[25:05.460 --> 25:08.300]  to support the filmmakers, support Free Mind Films,
[25:08.300 --> 25:12.260]  help support me because your purchase of the film
[25:12.260 --> 25:15.940]  also supports this radio show and this radio network
[25:15.940 --> 25:18.300]  because that's money in my pocket
[25:18.300 --> 25:21.940]  that I can use to put back into this radio network
[25:21.940 --> 25:26.060]  and to keep myself working for you out there, listeners.
[25:26.060 --> 25:29.780]  So Randy, I mean, I really can't wait for you to see this.
[25:29.780 --> 25:30.620]  I know you're gonna love it.
[25:30.620 --> 25:31.460]  Absolutely.
[25:31.460 --> 25:34.300]  I am looking forward to seeing this film
[25:34.300 --> 25:38.660]  because it is an area that I find most intriguing.
[25:39.980 --> 25:42.980]  And with what I was talking about before,
[25:42.980 --> 25:47.980]  it was really leading up to one more thing, one more article.
[25:50.180 --> 25:55.180]  Real Life Avatar, the first mind-controlled robot surrogate.
[25:56.700 --> 26:01.700]  And the article has an image on the front.
[26:02.140 --> 26:04.300]  It's a face split down the middle.
[26:04.300 --> 26:08.180]  One side is Avatar, the other side is Terminator.
[26:09.420 --> 26:11.900]  An Israeli student has become the first person
[26:11.900 --> 26:13.380]  to meld his mind in movements
[26:13.380 --> 26:16.100]  with the robot surrogate, or Avatar,
[26:17.500 --> 26:22.500]  simulated inside an MRI scanner in Israel.
[26:22.940 --> 26:26.220]  Teresa Shapiro has controlled a humanoid robot
[26:26.220 --> 26:30.500]  some 2,000 clicks away at Beezer's Technology Institute
[26:30.500 --> 26:32.500]  in France using just his mind.
[26:33.820 --> 26:36.300]  The MRI functional magnetic resonance image
[26:36.300 --> 26:38.620]  is reading his thoughts.
[26:38.620 --> 26:41.100]  A computer translates thoughts into commands
[26:41.100 --> 26:43.260]  and then those commands are sent across the internet
[26:43.260 --> 26:45.220]  to the robot in France.
[26:45.220 --> 26:46.780]  The system requires training.
[26:46.780 --> 26:50.540]  On its own, the MRI can simply see the real-time blood flow
[26:50.540 --> 26:53.100]  in your brain, in your brain.
[26:53.100 --> 26:56.780]  Training teaches the system that a particular thought
[26:56.780 --> 26:59.140]  of blood flow pattern equates to a certain command.
[26:59.140 --> 27:01.060]  In this case, when Shapiro thinks
[27:01.060 --> 27:02.540]  about moving forward to backward,
[27:02.540 --> 27:04.780]  the robot moves forward to backwards.
[27:04.780 --> 27:07.220]  When he thinks about moving one of his hands,
[27:07.220 --> 27:11.220]  the robot surrogate turns in that direction.
[27:13.460 --> 27:17.780]  If you are not frightened by technology now,
[27:17.780 --> 27:19.820]  you are not paying attention.
[27:21.460 --> 27:24.980]  I don't think Terminator is more than five years away
[27:24.980 --> 27:29.980]  or a robot-assisted police officer.
[27:32.820 --> 27:35.740]  We have, there's an institute in Boston
[27:35.740 --> 27:40.740]  that's doing a lot of robotics research for DARPA.
[27:40.940 --> 27:44.420]  And if you go to DARPA, you can find this one.
[27:45.940 --> 27:47.820]  He's called Pet Man.
[27:48.700 --> 27:51.060]  And in the video they've released,
[27:51.060 --> 27:54.900]  he doesn't have a head on, he's tethered to cables,
[27:54.900 --> 27:56.980]  but he's running on a treadmill.
[27:58.220 --> 28:01.460]  And it's a bipedal, he looks, he's man-like.
[28:02.340 --> 28:04.900]  And while he's running on the treadmill,
[28:04.900 --> 28:08.700]  one of the operators walk up and push him sideways.
[28:08.700 --> 28:11.500]  He just steps sideways,
[28:11.500 --> 28:14.300]  rights himself and never loses a step.
[28:16.820 --> 28:18.740]  All of the technologies are coming together.
[28:18.740 --> 28:21.860]  There's a researcher in Japan
[28:21.860 --> 28:24.620]  that's building lifelike robots.
[28:24.620 --> 28:26.380]  They're not a sophisticated disease,
[28:26.380 --> 28:29.100]  but he's working on the facial features
[28:29.100 --> 28:32.340]  and the visual imagery of robots.
[28:32.340 --> 28:35.500]  He has sent these to do seminars for him
[28:35.500 --> 28:38.300]  where people were far away from him.
[28:38.300 --> 28:41.380]  And they had trouble telling that it was actually a robot.
[28:43.020 --> 28:46.020]  This is not five, 10, 15 years down the road.
[28:46.020 --> 28:47.380]  This is right now.
[28:48.980 --> 28:53.460]  Five years from now, we will have robots,
[28:53.460 --> 28:58.460]  if not autonomous, at least as avatars.
[28:58.500 --> 29:00.860]  And then there is the Spinnaker chip.
[29:00.860 --> 29:04.020]  The researcher in Wisconsin has developed a chip
[29:04.020 --> 29:06.980]  based on a human synapse.
[29:08.500 --> 29:13.500]  And it has proven out to act like a human brain.
[29:15.420 --> 29:19.500]  The only limiting factor now is he's been able
[29:19.500 --> 29:21.980]  to accumulate 20,000 synapses.
[29:21.980 --> 29:23.820]  The human brain has four trillion.
[29:25.180 --> 29:26.820]  In order to simulate a human brain,
[29:26.820 --> 29:30.940]  he probably won't have to get anywhere near that many.
[29:30.940 --> 29:35.940]  But, and he doesn't have it now, but in time he will.
[29:38.420 --> 29:41.340]  And I'm beginning to wonder,
[29:41.340 --> 29:44.940]  are we gonna be using machines in the future,
[29:44.940 --> 29:48.460]  or are machines gonna be connecting us up to them
[29:48.460 --> 29:49.300]  and using us?
[29:49.300 --> 29:51.420]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[29:51.420 --> 29:52.580]  We will allow radio.
[29:52.580 --> 29:56.740]  Our call-in number, 512-646-1984.
[29:56.740 --> 29:58.180]  We'll be right back.
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[30:07.180 --> 30:08.900]  but did you know that using it could save you
[30:08.900 --> 30:11.540]  thousands of dollars and your privacy?
[30:11.540 --> 30:12.740]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht,
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[30:58.180 --> 31:00.100]  That's why it's so important to you.
[31:00.100 --> 31:02.020]  You can tell you're protected with SSL
[31:02.020 --> 31:04.380]  when the internet address in your browser window
[31:04.380 --> 31:08.140]  shows HTTPS, not just HTTP.
[31:08.140 --> 31:09.900]  The S is for secure.
[31:09.900 --> 31:11.780]  In addition, a little yellow padlock
[31:11.780 --> 31:14.180]  pops up at the bottom of your computer screen.
[31:14.180 --> 31:16.380]  You should always look for that padlock symbol
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[31:35.060 --> 31:37.460]  that fell on the afternoon of September 11th.
[31:37.460 --> 31:39.300]  The government says that fire brought it down.
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[33:32.060 --> 33:33.500]  OK, we are back.
[33:33.500 --> 33:36.140]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, Rule of Law Radio,
[33:36.140 --> 33:38.340]  and we're going to go to callers.
[33:38.340 --> 33:41.500]  We're going to Chris in Texas.
[33:41.500 --> 33:44.620]  Chris, what do you have for us today?
[33:44.620 --> 33:45.780]  Hey, Randy.
[33:45.780 --> 33:48.500]  First off, I want to get this out of the way.
[33:48.500 --> 33:49.540]  I know Debra's around.
[33:49.540 --> 33:50.900]  I heard her talking a minute ago,
[33:50.900 --> 33:53.780]  but I want to apologize to you guys for last week
[33:53.780 --> 33:56.380]  on Friday on the air.
[33:56.380 --> 33:59.980]  I was steaming mad already.
[33:59.980 --> 34:07.020]  And then when I brought up, you know, the case about my appeal,
[34:07.020 --> 34:10.700]  and you weren't saying anything I liked.
[34:10.700 --> 34:12.460]  I knew that.
[34:12.460 --> 34:17.140]  And I would rather have been able to tell you stuff
[34:17.140 --> 34:19.180]  that you would have liked to have heard,
[34:19.180 --> 34:23.940]  but I had to tell you what I thought.
[34:23.940 --> 34:27.620]  But I did come up with this, and I want to ask you about it.
[34:27.620 --> 34:32.860]  I'm filing tomorrow what is called a motion for leave
[34:32.860 --> 34:42.580]  to file out of time.
[34:47.700 --> 34:51.220]  OK, that was motion for extension of time,
[34:51.220 --> 34:53.820]  a leave to file out of time.
[34:53.820 --> 34:55.900]  That was the only thing you could do.
[34:55.900 --> 35:03.300]  But what is your bona fide reason for delay?
[35:03.300 --> 35:06.340]  One of, OK, I've stated several reasons on there.
[35:06.340 --> 35:12.700]  And the first being that I've been frantically looking
[35:12.700 --> 35:16.260]  for an attorney since this all came about.
[35:16.260 --> 35:21.980]  And two, the judge, trial judge, has not
[35:21.980 --> 35:29.820]  responded to my request for findings of fact
[35:29.820 --> 35:38.020]  and conclusions at law, which I only found that in another case
[35:38.020 --> 35:45.140]  that someone else had gotten their motion for leave
[35:45.140 --> 35:50.660]  to file extended because of the judge's lack of response
[35:50.660 --> 35:53.980]  to that.
[35:53.980 --> 36:01.860]  That is something that will probably get you the time,
[36:01.860 --> 36:06.060]  because your right to appeal is not perfected until you
[36:06.060 --> 36:10.620]  have a response to findings of fact and conclusions at law.
[36:13.740 --> 36:15.140]  All right.
[36:15.140 --> 36:18.740]  I mean, I have been doing my homework a lot
[36:18.740 --> 36:21.140]  in the last week.
[36:21.140 --> 36:23.060]  Good.
[36:23.060 --> 36:28.340]  So are you saying that us annoying you inspired you?
[36:28.340 --> 36:31.020]  Yeah, it lit a fire under my rear.
[36:31.020 --> 36:33.220]  Well, that's why we did it.
[36:33.220 --> 36:36.980]  That's what we're here for, Chris.
[36:36.980 --> 36:38.180]  You're welcome.
[36:38.180 --> 36:42.500]  You want me to get you PO'd again today?
[36:42.500 --> 36:46.860]  I can tell everybody how ugly you are.
[36:46.860 --> 36:47.500]  Hold on.
[36:47.500 --> 36:48.420]  Hold on, Chris.
[36:48.420 --> 36:50.180]  You're going to have to wait, because there's
[36:50.180 --> 36:51.860]  a truck going right by Randy's window
[36:51.860 --> 36:53.660]  and nobody can hear anything.
[36:53.660 --> 36:55.620]  Yeah.
[36:55.620 --> 36:58.180]  OK, I'm muting.
[36:58.180 --> 36:59.660]  OK, go ahead, Chris.
[36:59.660 --> 37:03.180]  Randy sounds like he's living in the middle of a train yard
[37:03.180 --> 37:03.900]  or something.
[37:03.900 --> 37:05.660]  All right, go ahead, Chris.
[37:05.660 --> 37:09.780]  The problem was that I was already mad about something
[37:09.780 --> 37:10.740]  else last week.
[37:10.740 --> 37:14.900]  And I was already at the end of my fuse.
[37:14.900 --> 37:20.340]  And I shouldn't have called in to ask the question,
[37:20.340 --> 37:22.300]  because I knew there was a chance I
[37:22.300 --> 37:23.380]  wouldn't like the answer.
[37:23.380 --> 37:28.020]  But I still called in, and it ended up
[37:28.020 --> 37:33.140]  blowing up into something more than it should have been.
[37:33.140 --> 37:34.620]  But it did get me off.
[37:34.620 --> 37:38.220]  As soon as I got the phone, I got on research.
[37:38.220 --> 37:42.940]  And I've been researching every since then.
[37:42.940 --> 37:46.740]  And then I came across this case where, like I said,
[37:46.740 --> 37:50.460]  the judge had not responded to the findings of fact
[37:50.460 --> 37:52.220]  and conclusions at law.
[37:52.220 --> 37:54.780]  And that that was something that the appellate court
[37:54.780 --> 37:58.420]  would want to use as far as their decision
[37:58.420 --> 38:01.420]  is what the judge's findings of fact and conclusions at law
[38:01.420 --> 38:03.060]  were.
[38:03.060 --> 38:07.860]  And that they granted the motion for leave
[38:07.860 --> 38:10.060]  to file based on that.
[38:10.060 --> 38:15.500]  We talked about that Friday.
[38:15.500 --> 38:24.020]  And that was a viable issue, because the only thing
[38:24.020 --> 38:27.620]  that the Court of Appeals can rule on
[38:27.620 --> 38:33.980]  are the facts and the law generated in the trial court.
[38:33.980 --> 38:40.100]  So if the trial judge doesn't demonstrate the facts
[38:40.100 --> 38:43.340]  and show the law he applied to the facts,
[38:43.340 --> 38:46.980]  the Court of Appeals has no way of determining how he rules,
[38:46.980 --> 38:51.420]  so they don't know how to develop an appeal.
[38:51.420 --> 38:55.500]  And they don't know if he ruled incorrectly or not
[38:55.500 --> 38:57.000]  if he hadn't told them how he ruled
[38:57.000 --> 38:58.700]  or why he ruled the way he did.
[38:58.700 --> 39:01.700]  So good chance that'll get you your extension.
[39:01.700 --> 39:07.060]  And coupled with the fact that you were trying to seek counsel,
[39:07.060 --> 39:09.420]  they don't want anybody.
[39:09.420 --> 39:11.780]  That's the one thing they want is you to have counsel.
[39:11.780 --> 39:15.380]  They want you paying their attorneys.
[39:15.380 --> 39:17.140]  Well, you know, I have tried desperately
[39:17.140 --> 39:20.260]  to pay one of their attorney friends, and all of them
[39:20.260 --> 39:24.660]  say I don't handle appeals.
[39:24.660 --> 39:26.940]  You petitioned the court to appoint you counsel.
[39:26.940 --> 39:28.900]  You have a right to counsel.
[39:28.900 --> 39:30.380]  If you're unable to find counsel,
[39:30.380 --> 39:33.660]  they ask the court to appoint counsel.
[39:33.660 --> 39:35.820]  Ah, well, then maybe I'll ask for that as well
[39:35.820 --> 39:40.820]  in my motion for leave to file.
[39:40.820 --> 39:41.820]  Absolutely.
[39:41.820 --> 39:45.740]  Petition the court to appoint counsel.
[39:45.740 --> 39:48.620]  And that will, because you're going to pay a lawyer,
[39:48.620 --> 39:54.620]  that will almost certainly get you a extension of the law.
[39:54.620 --> 39:57.100]  Yeah, because as long as I know I can control
[39:57.100 --> 39:59.540]  what the lawyer is going to do in that courtroom
[39:59.540 --> 40:03.500]  through bar grievances and whatnot,
[40:03.500 --> 40:05.420]  I have to have a little bit more.
[40:05.420 --> 40:09.260]  That may be why you can't get a lawyer is they all
[40:09.260 --> 40:10.500]  know you've been bar grieving.
[40:14.220 --> 40:16.220]  Well, I know the judge is already well equipped
[40:16.220 --> 40:19.540]  with the fact that I'm not afraid to file
[40:19.540 --> 40:21.340]  against any of the lawyers.
[40:21.340 --> 40:24.820]  The fact that, you know, I'm not afraid to file against any
[40:24.820 --> 40:27.740]  of them.
[40:27.740 --> 40:30.100]  That may be part of the reason that nobody
[40:30.100 --> 40:35.940]  wants to represent you, but your right to counsel still exists.
[40:35.940 --> 40:39.860]  So maybe the judge will appoint somebody he doesn't like.
[40:39.860 --> 40:41.700]  Now, is that true that I have a right
[40:41.700 --> 40:46.020]  to counsel in this civil action?
[40:46.020 --> 40:51.380]  You have a right to counsel in every action.
[40:51.380 --> 40:52.660]  Ah, OK.
[40:52.660 --> 40:55.740]  So that you have a right to it that can't be denied.
[40:55.740 --> 41:00.220]  And if you're unable to hire counsel that has passed
[41:00.220 --> 41:05.300]  the bar, then you're being denied your right to counsel.
[41:05.300 --> 41:09.420]  And that's why the courts have the plenary power
[41:09.420 --> 41:11.780]  to appoint counsel for you.
[41:11.780 --> 41:14.340]  That's what I wasn't understanding, Randy,
[41:14.340 --> 41:17.540]  last Friday was how it was that I was calling around
[41:17.540 --> 41:22.180]  to every attorney listed in Fort Worth and every one of them,
[41:22.180 --> 41:26.020]  even some of the ones that I thought, OK, this attorney
[41:26.020 --> 41:28.340]  definitely got to handle a bill.
[41:28.340 --> 41:31.980]  They all saying, no, I refuse to handle a bill.
[41:31.980 --> 41:36.500]  They probably all knew that you filed bar grievances.
[41:36.500 --> 41:41.420]  Good chance this all went around to everybody.
[41:41.420 --> 41:45.500]  That's what I was saying, word must spread fast.
[41:45.500 --> 41:47.980]  Good chance it did.
[41:47.980 --> 41:51.980]  So now somebody gets forced to represent you.
[41:51.980 --> 41:54.220]  Now they're in a position to where they either
[41:54.220 --> 41:56.420]  make you happy or you're going to hammer them
[41:56.420 --> 41:57.900]  and they know it.
[41:57.900 --> 41:59.860]  Yeah, and this guy that filed charges
[41:59.860 --> 42:01.100]  against that attorney general.
[42:04.860 --> 42:09.860]  So good, that might work in your favor.
[42:09.860 --> 42:11.700]  All right, well, I feel a lot better about it
[42:11.700 --> 42:18.180]  to going into today, coming into today than I did Friday.
[42:18.180 --> 42:18.980]  That was OK.
[42:18.980 --> 42:21.340]  We get that on occasion.
[42:21.340 --> 42:23.460]  And that's OK.
[42:23.460 --> 42:25.460]  I kind of enjoyed pushing your buttons
[42:25.460 --> 42:26.820]  to get you dancing for me.
[42:30.740 --> 42:36.060]  The listeners, after the show, it got even better.
[42:36.060 --> 42:40.500]  After the show, we really got him wound up.
[42:40.500 --> 42:42.660]  Yeah, Randy, and then you dropped off.
[42:42.660 --> 42:46.340]  And I continued the wind up with Chris after you hung up.
[42:46.340 --> 42:48.220]  I didn't even know you had hung up.
[42:48.220 --> 42:52.900]  And I was just talking and I was giving him my take on things.
[42:52.900 --> 42:55.020]  And I was like, so, Randy, do you agree with that?
[42:55.020 --> 42:56.100]  And I don't hear anything.
[42:56.100 --> 42:58.940]  And I looked over and you dropped off the call.
[42:58.940 --> 43:00.620]  Yeah, I was really exhausted.
[43:00.620 --> 43:03.580]  I was trying to break in, but you were working him over
[43:03.580 --> 43:06.100]  so good and had him go in so good.
[43:06.100 --> 43:09.860]  I just finally just dropped out.
[43:09.860 --> 43:13.020]  I think it was close to 1 o'clock by the time I did.
[43:13.020 --> 43:16.780]  We had great fun at Chris's expense.
[43:16.780 --> 43:17.620]  Thank you, Chris.
[43:17.620 --> 43:19.460]  We appreciate the opportunity.
[43:19.460 --> 43:21.380]  I appreciate both you and Debra.
[43:21.380 --> 43:26.660]  And like I said, I apologize for the outburst.
[43:26.660 --> 43:29.180]  Not a problem.
[43:29.180 --> 43:30.100]  Y'all have a great day.
[43:30.100 --> 43:33.740]  OK, Chris, just make sure that you get that answer
[43:33.740 --> 43:37.140]  to the appellate court in by their deadline
[43:37.140 --> 43:41.820]  if you want them to extend the deadline for filing
[43:41.820 --> 43:42.700]  your appellate brief.
[43:42.700 --> 43:44.460]  That's the key, OK?
[43:44.460 --> 43:45.900]  I'm going to file it tomorrow.
[43:45.900 --> 43:47.500]  All right, good deal.
[43:47.500 --> 43:49.900]  All right, folks, we'll be back on the other side
[43:49.900 --> 43:50.580]  of this break.
[43:50.580 --> 43:51.500]  This is a rule of law.
[43:51.500 --> 43:54.260]  If you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[43:54.260 --> 43:55.620]  Mike dropped off the line.
[43:55.620 --> 43:57.300]  Mike, please call back in.
[43:57.300 --> 44:03.540]  We'll be right back.
[44:03.540 --> 44:06.660]  Mr. President, members of Congress,
[44:06.660 --> 44:08.260]  you've been making a lot of noise
[44:08.260 --> 44:10.540]  about taking our guns away.
[44:10.540 --> 44:12.580]  But you might want to review history.
[44:12.580 --> 44:17.020]  1835, Gonzales, Texas Territory.
[44:17.020 --> 44:19.820]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that
[44:19.820 --> 44:21.860]  protected that colony.
[44:21.860 --> 44:24.020]  You know what the people said?
[44:24.020 --> 44:27.980]  Come and take it, because they were willing to fight
[44:27.980 --> 44:31.340]  for their freedom and their guns.
[44:31.340 --> 44:32.180]  So are we.
[44:32.180 --> 44:35.340]  Come and take it if you want it.
[44:35.340 --> 44:38.460]  Come and take it if you think you can.
[44:38.460 --> 44:41.820]  Come and take it, but I warn you,
[44:41.820 --> 44:44.940]  you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.
[44:44.940 --> 44:48.140]  We want the freedom that God gave us,
[44:48.140 --> 44:51.340]  so you best not cross that line.
[44:51.340 --> 44:56.300]  If you want this gun, you got to come through us and take it.
[44:56.300 --> 44:58.700]  One shot at a time.
[44:58.700 --> 45:03.060]  Just like Gonzales, we're keeping our guns.
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[46:04.060 --> 46:23.260]  OK, we are back.
[46:23.260 --> 46:24.300]  This is the rule of law.
[46:24.300 --> 46:28.940]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
[46:28.940 --> 46:32.220]  Tonight is June 20th, Thursday, and I just
[46:32.220 --> 46:34.740]  wanted to make another comment.
[46:34.740 --> 46:38.660]  I didn't find out from Chris if he managed
[46:38.660 --> 46:41.180]  to file that motion for findings of fact and conclusion at law
[46:41.180 --> 46:44.300]  in a timely manner, depending on the court,
[46:44.300 --> 46:46.580]  depending on the state, or if it's the feds.
[46:46.580 --> 46:51.040]  Typically, if the judge doesn't give findings of fact
[46:51.040 --> 46:53.140]  and conclusion at law in the ruling,
[46:53.140 --> 46:55.700]  and you want to file a motion for that,
[46:55.700 --> 46:57.820]  you have to file that in a timely manner,
[46:57.820 --> 46:59.780]  or else the judge doesn't have to respond.
[46:59.780 --> 47:01.860]  Now Randy and I were discussing on the break
[47:01.860 --> 47:03.900]  that Chris did file that document,
[47:03.900 --> 47:05.820]  but the judge didn't respond.
[47:05.820 --> 47:07.320]  And I was asking Randy, well, do you
[47:07.320 --> 47:09.100]  know if Chris filed it in a timely manner?
[47:09.100 --> 47:10.420]  And Randy doesn't know.
[47:10.420 --> 47:11.180]  I don't know.
[47:11.180 --> 47:12.820]  But typically, it's 30 days.
[47:12.820 --> 47:15.360]  Typically, you've got 30 days from the date of the ruling.
[47:15.360 --> 47:19.100]  If you want to file a motion for findings of fact
[47:19.100 --> 47:20.900]  and conclusion at law, or if you want
[47:20.900 --> 47:24.260]  to file a motion for reconsideration or something
[47:24.260 --> 47:27.100]  like that, oh, Chris just sent the chat.
[47:27.100 --> 47:29.900]  He did it the same day as the hearing.
[47:29.900 --> 47:31.940]  OK, I don't know what hearing he's talking about.
[47:31.940 --> 47:37.660]  Typically, rulings are entered well after a hearing is over.
[47:37.660 --> 47:40.540]  He may be talking about a different hearing.
[47:40.540 --> 47:44.340]  What I'm trying to say is the day the ruling is entered,
[47:44.340 --> 47:47.420]  the day the judge hands down his ruling
[47:47.420 --> 47:51.420]  and files the ruling, the final ruling in the case,
[47:51.420 --> 47:54.340]  you typically have 30 days to get
[47:54.340 --> 47:57.100]  in that findings of fact and conclusion at law.
[47:57.100 --> 48:00.140]  If you don't get it in, then he says
[48:00.140 --> 48:01.780]  it was for the bill of review hearing.
[48:01.780 --> 48:03.660]  That doesn't tell me anything, Chris.
[48:03.660 --> 48:05.460]  I'm talking about when he entered
[48:05.460 --> 48:08.540]  in the ruling of the case, not the bill of review hearing,
[48:08.540 --> 48:09.860]  but the ruling of the case.
[48:09.860 --> 48:14.220]  At any rate, the point being is regardless of,
[48:14.220 --> 48:16.060]  I don't want to get caught up on this minutia.
[48:16.060 --> 48:17.620]  Just give me a minute, Randy.
[48:17.620 --> 48:21.380]  Regardless of whether he entered the motion in a timely manner
[48:21.380 --> 48:24.200]  or regardless of whether the judge actually
[48:24.200 --> 48:26.920]  gave the findings of fact and conclusion at law in response
[48:26.920 --> 48:29.460]  to a motion or not or whether he just ignored it,
[48:29.460 --> 48:30.960]  whether he shouldn't have ignored it,
[48:30.960 --> 48:34.620]  that's really somewhat of a side issue.
[48:34.620 --> 48:37.620]  The point is the appellate court has a deadline for you
[48:37.620 --> 48:39.100]  to get that brief in.
[48:39.100 --> 48:42.140]  And if you don't get it in in a timely manner,
[48:42.140 --> 48:44.740]  typically you don't get another chance.
[48:44.740 --> 48:47.660]  The appellate courts don't play around, OK?
[48:47.660 --> 48:51.580]  And they already gave Chris an extension once
[48:51.580 --> 48:52.960]  to find an attorney.
[48:52.960 --> 48:57.620]  And he wasn't able to find an attorney in his locality
[48:57.620 --> 49:02.100]  within the period of time of the extension
[49:02.100 --> 49:05.740]  that he had already been granted by the appellate court.
[49:05.740 --> 49:08.180]  Because he looked around, he called everybody,
[49:08.180 --> 49:14.060]  and basically no attorney within his venue
[49:14.060 --> 49:16.260]  would take the case on appeal.
[49:16.260 --> 49:16.720]  None.
[49:16.720 --> 49:19.900]  He's going to have to go outside of his venue, in other words,
[49:19.900 --> 49:23.540]  like to another city, to try to find an attorney that
[49:23.540 --> 49:24.740]  will represent the case.
[49:24.740 --> 49:25.900]  And he can't afford it.
[49:25.900 --> 49:28.020]  I mean, you're going to have to pay big bucks
[49:28.020 --> 49:31.580]  to get an attorney that will handle this out of town.
[49:31.580 --> 49:34.860]  If it requires court hearings or things like that,
[49:34.860 --> 49:37.100]  it can get very expensive to have
[49:37.100 --> 49:39.180]  to hire an attorney several hundred miles
[49:39.180 --> 49:40.940]  away if there are court hearings.
[49:40.940 --> 49:43.980]  So at any rate, the bottom line is
[49:43.980 --> 49:48.260]  that he wasn't able to get an attorney in time.
[49:48.260 --> 49:50.900]  But unfortunately, he didn't file any documents
[49:50.900 --> 49:53.580]  with the appellate court asking for another extension.
[49:53.580 --> 49:55.780]  He just missed the deadline.
[49:55.780 --> 49:58.620]  But on the other hand, fortunately,
[49:58.620 --> 50:01.500]  the appellate court wrote the clerk,
[50:01.500 --> 50:03.660]  apparently sent him a letter, and said,
[50:03.660 --> 50:05.780]  you've missed the deadline.
[50:05.780 --> 50:09.020]  If you need another extension, you
[50:09.020 --> 50:13.200]  need to file a document with this court explaining
[50:13.200 --> 50:15.100]  what the extenuating circumstances are
[50:15.100 --> 50:17.860]  of why you missed this deadline and why we should give you
[50:17.860 --> 50:18.760]  another extension.
[50:18.760 --> 50:20.860]  And he's got a deadline for that.
[50:20.860 --> 50:23.480]  And so the point is, I understand
[50:23.480 --> 50:26.900]  what you're saying, Randy, about perfecting your right
[50:26.900 --> 50:29.180]  to appeal with the findings of fact and conclusion.
[50:29.180 --> 50:32.580]  But whether you perfect your right or not
[50:32.580 --> 50:35.660]  by extracting the findings of fact and conclusion at law
[50:35.660 --> 50:36.580]  is irrelevant.
[50:36.580 --> 50:39.140]  You better get that document into that appellate court
[50:39.140 --> 50:41.180]  and give them a bona fide good reason
[50:41.180 --> 50:43.340]  of why you missed that deadline that they already
[50:43.340 --> 50:46.380]  gave Chris an extension for.
[50:46.380 --> 50:48.000]  Because if he misses that one, too, he's
[50:48.000 --> 50:49.380]  definitely not going to get another chance
[50:49.380 --> 50:50.380]  for the appellate court.
[50:50.380 --> 50:52.620]  And so the bottom line is, the point of all of this
[50:52.620 --> 50:56.100]  is, regardless of the findings of fact and conclusion,
[50:56.100 --> 50:58.460]  you cannot miss these appellate deadlines, period.
[50:58.460 --> 51:00.300]  That is a very serious matter.
[51:00.300 --> 51:02.460]  You can't miss filing deadlines in general.
[51:02.460 --> 51:04.700]  You generally don't get more chances.
[51:04.700 --> 51:10.860]  Especially if you're going to exceed the deadline,
[51:10.860 --> 51:12.740]  if you're going to request an extension,
[51:12.740 --> 51:16.140]  get it in before the deadline.
[51:16.140 --> 51:20.700]  After the deadline, even if you have really good reason,
[51:20.700 --> 51:22.180]  they're going to say, you better have
[51:22.180 --> 51:25.860]  been in a hospital in a coma.
[51:25.860 --> 51:27.980]  So that'll make it more difficult.
[51:27.980 --> 51:29.540]  But if you don't have counsel, that's
[51:29.540 --> 51:33.260]  a good mitigating factor.
[51:33.260 --> 51:34.820]  Whatever this court does, then you
[51:34.820 --> 51:36.660]  just appeal to the next one because you have
[51:36.660 --> 51:40.100]  constitutional right to counsel.
[51:40.100 --> 51:41.820]  And if counsel won't represent you,
[51:41.820 --> 51:45.200]  then if he asks the Court of Appeals
[51:45.200 --> 51:48.500]  to appoint him counsel, they will almost certainly
[51:48.500 --> 51:50.460]  appoint him counsel because they want him paying
[51:50.460 --> 51:52.500]  one of their lawyer buddies.
[51:52.500 --> 51:54.860]  And then they'll give counsel time to prepare the appeal.
[51:57.540 --> 52:00.140]  That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
[52:00.140 --> 52:05.740]  OK, well, are we ready to take some more calls here?
[52:05.740 --> 52:07.620]  Yes, we are.
[52:07.620 --> 52:12.140]  Now, I don't see any messages from the call screener
[52:12.140 --> 52:14.260]  about Ed in Texas.
[52:14.260 --> 52:15.900]  I don't know if Ed in Texas.
[52:15.900 --> 52:18.260]  It may not even be Ed in Texas because people
[52:18.260 --> 52:19.420]  borrow each other's phones.
[52:19.420 --> 52:21.340]  So we're going to skip that call until our call
[52:21.340 --> 52:22.580]  screener screens that call.
[52:22.580 --> 52:24.700]  But it does look like I see a message here
[52:24.700 --> 52:26.980]  from a Chris in Texas.
[52:26.980 --> 52:28.300]  OK, so we're going to go to him.
[52:28.300 --> 52:29.880]  And call screener, if you're listening,
[52:29.880 --> 52:32.380]  can you please screen the call that says Ed
[52:32.380 --> 52:35.380]  and make sure that's actually Ed and give them the instructions?
[52:35.380 --> 52:36.780]  OK, here we go.
[52:36.780 --> 52:40.860]  We're going to go to whoops, now Chris just
[52:40.860 --> 52:42.620]  dropped off the board.
[52:42.620 --> 52:43.180]  One moment.
[52:43.180 --> 52:45.100]  We're going to have to.
[52:45.100 --> 52:46.540]  OK, while we're waiting, Chris.
[52:46.540 --> 52:49.780]  While we're waiting, why don't you?
[52:49.780 --> 52:51.260]  One other issue I wanted to address.
[52:51.260 --> 52:52.020]  Oh, wait, wait, Chris is back.
[52:52.020 --> 52:52.740]  Chris is back.
[52:52.740 --> 52:55.020]  OK, Chris, thank you for calling in.
[52:55.020 --> 52:57.460]  What is your question or comment tonight?
[52:57.460 --> 53:02.100]  Well, my question is, I had some property that was stolen.
[53:02.100 --> 53:04.380]  And it was, I know who stole it.
[53:04.380 --> 53:08.340]  And it was taken to a pawn shop and pawned.
[53:08.340 --> 53:13.140]  Now, the person that stole it has long gone vanished.
[53:13.140 --> 53:15.700]  And what I would like to know is,
[53:15.700 --> 53:19.980]  is there a way for me to recover this property from the pawn
[53:19.980 --> 53:23.420]  shop without involving the pieces?
[53:23.420 --> 53:24.460]  And the reason?
[53:24.460 --> 53:28.580]  The pawn shop's in possession of stolen property.
[53:28.580 --> 53:30.860]  You bet there's a way.
[53:30.860 --> 53:33.300]  Have you been to the pawn shop?
[53:33.300 --> 53:36.940]  I have stopped in there to make sure that they had it.
[53:36.940 --> 53:37.820]  But OK.
[53:37.820 --> 53:40.580]  Can you prove that it's yours with serial numbers and stuff
[53:40.580 --> 53:41.860]  like that?
[53:41.860 --> 53:42.580]  Yes, I can.
[53:42.580 --> 53:43.900]  OK, good.
[53:43.900 --> 53:46.660]  OK, did you file a theft report?
[53:46.660 --> 53:52.060]  Before it was, it has not been reported stolen.
[53:52.060 --> 53:54.660]  It has not been reported stolen?
[53:54.660 --> 53:56.540]  It has not.
[53:56.540 --> 53:59.180]  Well, aren't you the one that has to report it stolen
[53:59.180 --> 54:01.660]  if it was stolen from you?
[54:01.660 --> 54:02.900]  That's correct.
[54:02.900 --> 54:07.020]  But I have not reported it stolen because it's firearms.
[54:07.020 --> 54:10.660]  And I don't want the police involved in that.
[54:10.660 --> 54:13.100]  You're not going to be able to get them back on their lawn.
[54:13.100 --> 54:15.020]  No, you're going to have to report them stolen
[54:15.020 --> 54:16.980]  and give the serial number to the police
[54:16.980 --> 54:19.340]  and have a stolen property report filled out.
[54:19.340 --> 54:23.740]  The only way that the pawn shops have any duty or liability
[54:23.740 --> 54:27.340]  whatsoever to return stolen property
[54:27.340 --> 54:31.860]  is if it's in their database through the police.
[54:31.860 --> 54:36.380]  The police have a database, and they submit that information
[54:36.380 --> 54:40.580]  to the pawn shops so that when things come into pawn shops,
[54:40.580 --> 54:42.860]  they run the serial numbers against the database
[54:42.860 --> 54:44.340]  that they've gotten from the police,
[54:44.340 --> 54:46.380]  and they can tell right off the bat
[54:46.380 --> 54:49.460]  when the item is in the store if it's stolen or not.
[54:49.460 --> 54:51.500]  And if it is, they hit the silent alarm,
[54:51.500 --> 54:53.700]  and the cops come and arrest whoever's
[54:53.700 --> 54:55.100]  trying to sell it to them.
[54:55.100 --> 54:56.660]  If you haven't reported it stolen
[54:56.660 --> 55:00.780]  and you don't intend to, you're not going to get it back, OK?
[55:00.780 --> 55:01.780]  OK.
[55:01.780 --> 55:04.300]  How long ago was it stolen?
[55:04.300 --> 55:07.180]  About three weeks.
[55:07.180 --> 55:10.660]  Were, was the theft of such a nature
[55:10.660 --> 55:14.500]  that it was immediately obvious that they were stolen?
[55:14.500 --> 55:15.940]  No, it was not.
[55:15.940 --> 55:17.180]  OK, well, that's good.
[55:17.180 --> 55:20.500]  Then you just discovered that they were stolen.
[55:20.500 --> 55:24.180]  Yeah, you just now discovered it today, didn't you?
[55:24.180 --> 55:25.260]  That's correct.
[55:25.260 --> 55:28.780]  OK, that's what I thought.
[55:28.780 --> 55:29.740]  I'm psychic.
[55:29.740 --> 55:31.220]  I sometimes know these things.
[55:31.220 --> 55:32.780]  It's surprising.
[55:32.780 --> 55:37.140]  And in fact, you just noticed it and saw
[55:37.140 --> 55:39.780]  it at the pawn shop on the same day
[55:39.780 --> 55:42.380]  because you went out looking for it.
[55:42.380 --> 55:43.180]  Right.
[55:43.180 --> 55:43.940]  Right.
[55:43.940 --> 55:46.660]  No, you were at the pawn shop and you saw your guns
[55:46.660 --> 55:48.420]  and said, what the heck are they doing here?
[55:48.420 --> 55:49.580]  Yeah, that's right.
[55:49.580 --> 55:50.380]  That's right.
[55:50.380 --> 55:52.580]  And you went and checked and found them stolen.
[55:52.580 --> 55:53.980]  That's what I meant.
[55:53.980 --> 55:54.900]  That's what I meant.
[55:54.900 --> 55:56.260]  Yes, it was the other way around.
[55:56.260 --> 55:57.180]  I got the story wrong.
[55:57.180 --> 55:58.860]  Thanks, Randy.
[55:58.860 --> 55:59.540]  You're welcome.
[55:59.540 --> 56:05.900]  Yeah, I was concerned that once the report was entered
[56:05.900 --> 56:09.500]  that the police have to go pick up the guns
[56:09.500 --> 56:14.340]  and they may keep them for an extended period of time.
[56:14.340 --> 56:17.540]  And I want to avoid that if possible.
[56:17.540 --> 56:19.620]  The only reason they would be able to keep them
[56:19.620 --> 56:23.420]  for any period of time is if there's evidence
[56:23.420 --> 56:25.420]  they were involved in some kind of crime
[56:25.420 --> 56:28.580]  and they needed to be kept for evidence.
[56:28.580 --> 56:31.180]  You know, Chris, there's one other option.
[56:31.180 --> 56:33.700]  You can just go buy your guns back from the pawn shop.
[56:33.700 --> 56:36.300]  But that's kind of not a good deal
[56:36.300 --> 56:38.700]  because then you end up having to buy them twice.
[56:38.700 --> 56:40.540]  Here's what you can do.
[56:40.540 --> 56:44.700]  File the police report and go to the pawn shop
[56:44.700 --> 56:48.220]  and say that the guns are stolen.
[56:48.220 --> 56:49.020]  Give them back.
[56:49.020 --> 56:52.380]  And when they refuse, then you can...
[56:52.380 --> 56:54.540]  The pawn shop is not going to want you
[56:54.540 --> 56:57.820]  taking action against them.
[56:57.820 --> 56:59.780]  If you can show them the serial numbers
[56:59.780 --> 57:02.060]  and show that these guns actually belong to you
[57:02.060 --> 57:04.820]  and they have them and you don't care how they got them,
[57:04.820 --> 57:06.980]  you want them back and they don't give them to you,
[57:06.980 --> 57:10.300]  then they'll give you a claim against the pawn shop.
[57:10.300 --> 57:12.260]  Okay. Okay.
[57:12.260 --> 57:15.500]  And you might be able to get them to release them
[57:15.500 --> 57:18.740]  for a nominal fee.
[57:18.740 --> 57:21.820]  And that would not be unreasonable.
[57:21.820 --> 57:23.300]  Understood.
[57:23.300 --> 57:25.740]  You give them a finder's fee
[57:25.740 --> 57:28.180]  and thank them for finding your guns for you
[57:28.180 --> 57:34.900]  so that they're not totally out of pocket.
[57:34.900 --> 57:38.460]  That might get your guns back for lesser cost
[57:38.460 --> 57:40.980]  than going through the police.
[57:40.980 --> 57:42.060]  Well, exactly.
[57:42.060 --> 57:46.980]  And, you know, again, I'd be willing to go buy them back.
[57:46.980 --> 57:49.380]  Maybe I'm just being paranoid from, you know,
[57:49.380 --> 57:54.380]  all the, you know, stuff that's going on second amendment.
[57:54.380 --> 57:55.180]  But you're right.
[57:55.180 --> 57:57.460]  Police like to confiscate guns,
[57:57.460 --> 57:59.220]  claim they've had them destroyed
[57:59.220 --> 58:04.060]  and then sell them at gun shows.
[58:04.060 --> 58:05.180]  Right.
[58:05.180 --> 58:07.460]  They need their vacation money.
[58:07.460 --> 58:08.780]  Right.
[58:08.780 --> 58:10.020]  Put you down to bed for any help.
[58:10.020 --> 58:11.820]  I sure do appreciate it.
[58:11.820 --> 58:12.980]  Okay. Thank you.
[58:12.980 --> 58:15.580]  Thank you, Ed.
[58:15.580 --> 58:19.460]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[58:19.460 --> 58:23.820]  And the call lines are open, 512-646-1984.
[58:23.820 --> 58:25.460]  If you don't have any calls when I come back,
[58:25.460 --> 58:28.700]  there's one other thing I wanted to address
[58:28.700 --> 58:33.460]  on the technology front, and that's prosthetics.
[58:33.460 --> 58:34.460]  Cyborgs.
[58:34.460 --> 58:37.420]  We'll talk about cyborgs when we come back.
[58:37.420 --> 58:38.980]  Yeah. Actually, I meant Thank You, Chris.
[58:38.980 --> 58:40.100]  That caller's name was Chris.
[58:40.100 --> 58:43.180]  The call page was flipped around.
[58:43.180 --> 58:46.420]  Okay. This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
[58:46.420 --> 58:47.780]  Rule of Law Radio.
[58:47.780 --> 58:50.780]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:49.300]  And now the news.
[01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:52.300]  On Tuesday morning, a group of around 50 Houstonians
[01:00:52.300 --> 01:00:54.300]  protested outside the office
[01:00:54.300 --> 01:00:56.300]  of U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee.
[01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:59.300]  The group was rallying in support of the Second Amendment,
[01:00:59.300 --> 01:01:01.300]  as well as the Armed Citizens Project.
[01:01:01.300 --> 01:01:04.300]  The Armed Citizens Project gained the attention last week
[01:01:04.300 --> 01:01:06.300]  when Oak Forest neighborhood of Houston
[01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.300]  became the first in the country to experience
[01:01:08.300 --> 01:01:10.300]  a free gun giveaway for single mothers.
[01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:12.300]  Sheila Jackson Lee spoke in opposition
[01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:15.300]  to the ACP's gun sharing program
[01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:18.300]  and in favor of universal background checks for gun purchases.
[01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:21.300]  Kyle Copeland, founder of the Armed Citizens Project,
[01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:24.300]  says he believes an educated and armed citizenry
[01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:26.300]  is key to reducing crime.
[01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:33.300]  Tuesday, Google filed a legal challenge
[01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:36.300]  against gag orders that came with the FISA court orders
[01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:38.300]  it receives from the FBI and NSA.
[01:01:38.300 --> 01:01:40.300]  Google is arguing that the silence orders
[01:01:40.300 --> 01:01:42.300]  infringe upon the company's First Amendment rights
[01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:45.300]  to speak freely about the data requests from the government.
[01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:47.300]  According to a court motion filed by Google,
[01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:49.300]  they are seeking to release information
[01:01:49.300 --> 01:01:52.300]  on the amount of data requests and specific user information.
[01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:54.300]  Currently, under the FISA Act,
[01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:56.300]  Google is not allowed to disclose publicly
[01:01:56.300 --> 01:01:58.300]  the number of requests it gets for data.
[01:01:58.300 --> 01:02:00.300]  The public requests have only come about
[01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:02.300]  in light of recently leaked information
[01:02:02.300 --> 01:02:04.300]  regarding the PRISM software,
[01:02:04.300 --> 01:02:06.300]  and after the Director of National Intelligence
[01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:08.300]  acknowledged that the service providers
[01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:11.300]  have received Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requests.
[01:02:16.300 --> 01:02:18.300]  São Paulo, Brazil continues to be the scene
[01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:20.300]  of another night of protests.
[01:02:20.300 --> 01:02:22.300]  Demonstrators are calling for a more responsive government
[01:02:22.300 --> 01:02:24.300]  and have expressed a general anger
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[01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:39.300]  These latest clashes come after accusations last week
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[01:03:29.300 --> 01:03:32.300]  This is hour two of our June 20th show,
[01:03:32.300 --> 01:03:34.300]  Thursday, June 20th, 2013.
[01:03:34.300 --> 01:03:36.300]  We are taking your calls.
[01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:38.300]  If you'd like to call in and ask us a question,
[01:03:38.300 --> 01:03:42.300]  we have one more hour, 512-646-1984,
[01:03:42.300 --> 01:03:45.300]  and we just finished talking to Chris in Texas.
[01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:47.300]  We are now going to Ed in Texas.
[01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:50.300]  Sorry, I got the name switched right before the break.
[01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:51.300]  Ed, thank you for calling in.
[01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:53.300]  What is your question tonight?
[01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:55.300]  Hello, hello. How are you guys?
[01:03:55.300 --> 01:03:57.300]  All right. What do you got for us tonight?
[01:03:57.300 --> 01:04:03.300]  Well, I just wanted to give Randy a heads up
[01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:05.300]  that I'm supposed to be the one
[01:04:05.300 --> 01:04:08.300]  that may possibly be on the program,
[01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:13.300]  and the lady named Candace was talking to Randy one night,
[01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:14.300]  and she wanted to...
[01:04:14.300 --> 01:04:16.300]  Ed Fife?
[01:04:16.300 --> 01:04:17.300]  Yes, uh-huh.
[01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:21.300]  Oh, you're in the Dallas-Fort Worth area?
[01:04:21.300 --> 01:04:22.300]  Yes, uh-huh. Dallas.
[01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:23.300]  Oh, interesting.
[01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:25.300]  Dallas. I'm not right in Dallas County.
[01:04:25.300 --> 01:04:28.300]  I was at one time, but I'm not right now.
[01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:30.300]  Well, I'm north of Fort Worth.
[01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:32.300]  Oh, okay. All right.
[01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:36.300]  Well, the reason I was calling was that I had sent you an e-mail,
[01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:38.300]  and I hadn't received a response back.
[01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:40.300]  Somehow, I don't know how,
[01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:43.300]  I lost the e-mail that had your information in it,
[01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:45.300]  so that's the reason I hadn't called you,
[01:04:45.300 --> 01:04:47.300]  because I lost it, and I sent you another e-mail
[01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:51.300]  requesting the information again.
[01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:54.300]  Yes, I responded to that this morning.
[01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:55.300]  Did you?
[01:04:55.300 --> 01:04:56.300]  Well, I didn't even see it.
[01:04:56.300 --> 01:04:57.300]  Maybe it's in my spam.
[01:04:57.300 --> 01:04:59.300]  I don't know. I didn't see it.
[01:04:59.300 --> 01:05:00.300]  My e-mail.
[01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:01.300]  It's possible.
[01:05:01.300 --> 01:05:05.300]  I think the feds maybe have me marked for spam.
[01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:08.300]  It's a conspiracy, I tell you.
[01:05:08.300 --> 01:05:11.300]  But, yeah, if you didn't get it, send me another one.
[01:05:11.300 --> 01:05:13.300]  Do you have Skype?
[01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:15.300]  Yes, I do. Uh-huh.
[01:05:15.300 --> 01:05:17.300]  Well, you can look me up on Skype.
[01:05:17.300 --> 01:05:18.300]  It's Ruledude.
[01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:22.300]  Now, that's not to be confused with Ruedude,
[01:05:22.300 --> 01:05:24.300]  although I am sometimes.
[01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:26.300]  I'm sorry.
[01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:31.300]  It's a rule-of-law radio is the Skype name.
[01:05:31.300 --> 01:05:33.300]  Oh, rule-of-law radio. Okay.
[01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:34.300]  All right.
[01:05:34.300 --> 01:05:35.300]  Okay. That would send me a Skype,
[01:05:35.300 --> 01:05:37.300]  and I will respond to it.
[01:05:37.300 --> 01:05:38.300]  Okay.
[01:05:38.300 --> 01:05:40.300]  While we've got you on the air...
[01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:42.300]  Mm-hmm.
[01:05:42.300 --> 01:05:45.300] ...what was that...
[01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:47.300]  What was your name? Cynthia?
[01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:49.300]  Not Cynthia. She had an interesting name.
[01:05:49.300 --> 01:05:51.300]  Oh, Candace. Candace.
[01:05:51.300 --> 01:05:53.300]  Candace. Candace.
[01:05:53.300 --> 01:05:54.300]  Mm-hmm.
[01:05:54.300 --> 01:06:01.300]  She spoke of the 14th Amendment,
[01:06:01.300 --> 01:06:05.300]  but she spoke in a way that gave an indication
[01:06:05.300 --> 01:06:08.300]  of a depth of knowledge that I appreciated.
[01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:09.300]  Okay.
[01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:12.300]  And if you've listened to our show,
[01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:15.300]  we don't deal in Patriot mythology.
[01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.300]  We deal in law.
[01:06:16.300 --> 01:06:20.300]  And I've had a lot of these guys pushing Patriot mythology
[01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:23.300]  come on and talking about the administrative process,
[01:06:23.300 --> 01:06:25.300]  and it frustrates me
[01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:27.300]  because I know there's good tools in there.
[01:06:27.300 --> 01:06:28.300]  Right.
[01:06:28.300 --> 01:06:30.300]  But I'm an engineer,
[01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:34.300]  and all engineers can do is connect dots.
[01:06:34.300 --> 01:06:35.300]  Right.
[01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:36.300]  And I get these guys,
[01:06:36.300 --> 01:06:38.300]  and they always get to this place
[01:06:38.300 --> 01:06:40.300]  where there's a dot missing.
[01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:41.300]  Right.
[01:06:41.300 --> 01:06:42.300]  And it's generally a big one.
[01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:44.300]  I've been there. I've been there.
[01:06:44.300 --> 01:06:46.300]  And they've just jumped over it,
[01:06:46.300 --> 01:06:48.300]  and I want to back them up to that dot,
[01:06:48.300 --> 01:06:52.300]  and I've had a couple of them get real excited over that.
[01:06:52.300 --> 01:06:53.300]  Yes, yes. I understand.
[01:06:53.300 --> 01:06:56.300]  But I would like to find...
[01:06:56.300 --> 01:06:59.300]  You know, we're all about remedies.
[01:06:59.300 --> 01:07:00.300]  Yeah, well, what...
[01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:06.300]  How to achieve remedy and with the reality that,
[01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:10.300]  for the most part, the people we help are pro se.
[01:07:10.300 --> 01:07:11.300]  Right.
[01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:15.300]  And the understanding that we must have as pro se
[01:07:15.300 --> 01:07:18.300]  is that if we go in as pro se,
[01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:22.300]  according to Dr. Frederick Graves,
[01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:25.300]  the purpose in the trial court
[01:07:25.300 --> 01:07:28.300]  is to set the record for appeal.
[01:07:28.300 --> 01:07:29.300]  Right.
[01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:32.300]  So from that context, they need to understand
[01:07:32.300 --> 01:07:34.300]  you can expect a trial court judge,
[01:07:34.300 --> 01:07:35.300]  if you're pro se,
[01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:38.300]  to rule against you out of hand at every turn.
[01:07:38.300 --> 01:07:40.300]  Yeah.
[01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:43.300]  Not to think so is naive.
[01:07:43.300 --> 01:07:45.300]  And with that understood,
[01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:50.300]  then we have to go in and set the record for appeal.
[01:07:50.300 --> 01:07:51.300]  Right.
[01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:55.300]  How does your process of what you do
[01:07:55.300 --> 01:07:59.300]  lend itself to tools that people can use
[01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.300]  in a real-world setting?
[01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:05.300]  Okay, well, just briefly,
[01:08:05.300 --> 01:08:07.300]  what I work with is the organic law.
[01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:10.300]  I don't work with administrative law or anything
[01:08:10.300 --> 01:08:12.300]  that's in the 14th Amendment system.
[01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:15.300]  The whole system that is set up today
[01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:18.300]  is all 14th Amendment in its entirety.
[01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:20.300]  And I can prove it over and over and over.
[01:08:20.300 --> 01:08:22.300]  What I've done is I've kept...
[01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:26.300]  What is organic law?
[01:08:26.300 --> 01:08:32.300]  Organic law is that law which was extant
[01:08:32.300 --> 01:08:35.300]  from the establishment of the nation,
[01:08:35.300 --> 01:08:40.300]  which would have began with the Articles of Confederation,
[01:08:40.300 --> 01:08:46.300]  and then all the way up to the date of about 1870.
[01:08:46.300 --> 01:08:48.300]  That's the drawing line.
[01:08:48.300 --> 01:08:53.300]  And anything beyond that became,
[01:08:53.300 --> 01:08:56.300]  actually, what I call unlawful.
[01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:59.300]  It was not lawful under the organic law.
[01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:02.300]  And I see if I can give an example of that.
[01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:05.300]  Well, I can't think of one exactly.
[01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:07.300]  But if you look in...
[01:09:07.300 --> 01:09:10.300]  I'll show you where you can prove this.
[01:09:10.300 --> 01:09:12.300]  Okay, wait. Let me back up.
[01:09:12.300 --> 01:09:15.300]  Are you saying that it's at this point
[01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:20.300]  where the Constitution became irrelevant?
[01:09:20.300 --> 01:09:24.300]  Yes. It became unlawful, as a matter of fact.
[01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:25.300]  Okay.
[01:09:25.300 --> 01:09:27.300]  Okay, and the reason that...
[01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:29.300]  Deborah, this is...
[01:09:29.300 --> 01:09:35.300]  After I talked to Candace, I had sent Ed a letter about this,
[01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:39.300]  that from what I understood to that point,
[01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:46.300]  I would very much like to get Ed in contact with Harmon Taylor.
[01:09:46.300 --> 01:09:47.300]  Okay.
[01:09:47.300 --> 01:09:51.300]  Because Harmon Taylor, this is what he says,
[01:09:51.300 --> 01:09:52.300]  but he says it a different way.
[01:09:52.300 --> 01:09:57.300]  He says that he doesn't say the laws that we have now
[01:09:57.300 --> 01:09:59.300]  are unlawful.
[01:09:59.300 --> 01:10:01.300]  He says they're not really laws.
[01:10:01.300 --> 01:10:04.300]  They're contracts.
[01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:07.300]  And the only law you fall under is the common law,
[01:10:07.300 --> 01:10:12.300]  and I suspect that you would agree with that one
[01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.300]  as that goes to the organic.
[01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:17.300]  Yes, the new stuff is just an offer.
[01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:19.300]  I mean, the new stuff is just an offer.
[01:10:19.300 --> 01:10:21.300]  Offer and acceptance.
[01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:22.300]  This is exactly...
[01:10:22.300 --> 01:10:25.300]  Well, it becomes law to you personally
[01:10:25.300 --> 01:10:27.300]  if you agree to it.
[01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:29.300]  That's the deal.
[01:10:29.300 --> 01:10:30.300]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:10:30.300 --> 01:10:36.300]  It will stick to you like glue if you don't say anything,
[01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:38.300]  if you don't challenge it yet.
[01:10:38.300 --> 01:10:39.300]  Well, even if you challenge it,
[01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:42.300]  it could still stick to you if you've already agreed to it.
[01:10:42.300 --> 01:10:46.300]  Okay, so you have to look very carefully to see...
[01:10:46.300 --> 01:10:51.300]  Most people have agreed to all of it already in so many ways.
[01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:53.300]  It's every which way from Sunday.
[01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:56.300]  All right, and so trying to figure out
[01:10:56.300 --> 01:11:00.300]  how and where you've agreed to it along the line
[01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:02.300]  is the challenge for most people
[01:11:02.300 --> 01:11:04.300]  because if you've already agreed to it
[01:11:04.300 --> 01:11:06.300]  and then it gets applied to you
[01:11:06.300 --> 01:11:07.300]  and then you say,
[01:11:07.300 --> 01:11:09.300]  Oh, I object, I never agreed,
[01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:14.300]  that objection will not fly if you have already agreed to it.
[01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:18.300]  And so to extract yourself out of those agreements
[01:11:18.300 --> 01:11:20.300]  is the big challenge.
[01:11:20.300 --> 01:11:22.300]  That's what Harmon teaches.
[01:11:22.300 --> 01:11:23.300]  Here's the problem.
[01:11:23.300 --> 01:11:26.300]  Here's where the rubber meets the road.
[01:11:26.300 --> 01:11:28.300]  It's all about status.
[01:11:28.300 --> 01:11:32.300]  If you look up the word status in any good dictionary,
[01:11:32.300 --> 01:11:34.300]  beauviers, even blacks,
[01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:36.300]  it's got a pretty good definition,
[01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:37.300]  even though I don't use black
[01:11:37.300 --> 01:11:40.300]  because I go back to the original 1856.
[01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:41.300]  Wait, hold just a second.
[01:11:41.300 --> 01:11:43.300]  You're fading in and out.
[01:11:43.300 --> 01:11:45.300]  Okay.
[01:11:45.300 --> 01:11:47.300]  I don't know why that's happening.
[01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:49.300]  I'm on the mobile phone,
[01:11:49.300 --> 01:11:52.300]  but it could be fading for that reason.
[01:11:52.300 --> 01:11:53.300]  Okay.
[01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:55.300]  It just sounds like you're moving the mic away
[01:11:55.300 --> 01:11:57.300]  from your mouth and back.
[01:11:57.300 --> 01:12:00.300]  I'm an old guy and I've only got one eardrum left.
[01:12:00.300 --> 01:12:01.300]  I got you.
[01:12:01.300 --> 01:12:02.300]  I got you.
[01:12:02.300 --> 01:12:04.300]  Well, I'll get it a little closer to my mouth.
[01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:05.300]  Okay.
[01:12:05.300 --> 01:12:06.300]  Go ahead.
[01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:09.300]  The issue is status.
[01:12:09.300 --> 01:12:11.300]  The real issue is status.
[01:12:11.300 --> 01:12:13.300]  It's the base of the whole system.
[01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:16.300]  You have two statuses in this nation,
[01:12:16.300 --> 01:12:19.300]  and I just got to reading a case where they talk about
[01:12:19.300 --> 01:12:22.300]  the two classes of citizens in this country.
[01:12:22.300 --> 01:12:24.300]  You have two types of citizens.
[01:12:24.300 --> 01:12:25.300]  You've got one citizen,
[01:12:25.300 --> 01:12:29.300]  which is the organic, original organic citizen,
[01:12:29.300 --> 01:12:32.300]  who had all the rights,
[01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:35.300]  who had inheritance in the soil,
[01:12:35.300 --> 01:12:37.300]  and then you have the new citizen
[01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:41.300]  that was created in 1868 under the 14th Amendment,
[01:12:41.300 --> 01:12:44.300]  which was a congressional citizen,
[01:12:44.300 --> 01:12:46.300]  not an organic citizen.
[01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:49.300]  And so all of the laws that we were talking about
[01:12:49.300 --> 01:12:55.300]  just a minute ago that would not attach to the state citizen
[01:12:55.300 --> 01:13:00.300]  if they know how to get around it do attach,
[01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:03.300]  and they cannot get around it to the 14th Amendment citizen.
[01:13:03.300 --> 01:13:05.300]  That's the way it works.
[01:13:05.300 --> 01:13:08.300]  It is law for those who are 14th Amendment,
[01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:11.300]  but it is not law for those who are state citizens,
[01:13:11.300 --> 01:13:13.300]  and that's the way it works.
[01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:15.300]  Now, what they've done is...
[01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:18.300]  Okay, yeah, that's not exactly what Harmon has found
[01:13:18.300 --> 01:13:20.300]  in his research and his cases,
[01:13:20.300 --> 01:13:24.300]  and he handles literally thousands of people's cases.
[01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:29.300]  I mean, he was an attorney for 17 years,
[01:13:29.300 --> 01:13:31.300]  and he found out exactly how it works,
[01:13:31.300 --> 01:13:35.300]  and, you know, 20 years or so since he's been retired
[01:13:35.300 --> 01:13:40.300]  and helping people pro se, he's handled thousands of cases.
[01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:42.300]  And it's not just a blanket deal, okay?
[01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:45.300]  You can agree to some of the statutes
[01:13:45.300 --> 01:13:47.300]  and not agree to others.
[01:13:47.300 --> 01:13:50.300]  You can be a citizen, like you're saying,
[01:13:50.300 --> 01:13:54.300]  and still not be in agreement with some of the other statutes.
[01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:57.300]  I mean, as far as the IRS is concerned,
[01:13:57.300 --> 01:13:59.300]  the one thing that's true about status
[01:13:59.300 --> 01:14:03.300]  is whether or not you are classified as a taxpayer or not.
[01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:06.300]  You can be a citizen.
[01:14:06.300 --> 01:14:10.300]  You can be a 14th Amendment citizen and not be a taxpayer,
[01:14:10.300 --> 01:14:12.300]  and none of the IRS code applies to you.
[01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:14.300]  But if you agree to the transportation code,
[01:14:14.300 --> 01:14:16.300]  then that applies to you.
[01:14:16.300 --> 01:14:18.300]  So it's not just a one-shot blanket deal
[01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:21.300]  on whether you're a 14th Amendment citizen or not.
[01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:22.300]  It's not like that.
[01:14:22.300 --> 01:14:27.300]  There are specific agreements for specific statutes,
[01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:32.300]  and even if you're not a 14th Amendment citizen,
[01:14:32.300 --> 01:14:35.300]  you could still be a taxpayer and vice versa,
[01:14:35.300 --> 01:14:37.300]  at least as far as that sort of thing.
[01:14:37.300 --> 01:14:38.300]  Well, that's true.
[01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:42.300]  Yeah, I was gonna ask,
[01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:47.300]  how do you become specifically a 14th Amendment citizen,
[01:14:47.300 --> 01:14:51.300]  and how do you not become a 14th Amendment citizen?
[01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:53.300]  By birth.
[01:14:53.300 --> 01:14:54.300]  By birth.
[01:14:54.300 --> 01:14:55.300]  Or by...
[01:14:55.300 --> 01:14:57.300]  Absolutely not.
[01:14:57.300 --> 01:14:59.300]  Absolutely not.
[01:14:59.300 --> 01:15:01.300]  All of this stuff about the birth certificate,
[01:15:01.300 --> 01:15:06.300]  I have found absolutely nothing to support
[01:15:06.300 --> 01:15:10.300]  that the birth certificate engages you in an adhesion contract.
[01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:12.300]  Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
[01:15:12.300 --> 01:15:13.300]  You're right about that.
[01:15:13.300 --> 01:15:15.300]  The birth certificate has nothing to do with it,
[01:15:15.300 --> 01:15:17.300]  but what I'm talking about is status.
[01:15:17.300 --> 01:15:19.300]  If you look up the word status,
[01:15:19.300 --> 01:15:24.300]  you'll find that every nation in the world
[01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:30.300]  has its citizens that have the inheritance in the soil,
[01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:32.300]  so to speak,
[01:15:32.300 --> 01:15:35.300]  unless they're not a republic.
[01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:36.300]  Now, if they're not a republic,
[01:15:36.300 --> 01:15:39.300]  they're a monarchy or a dictatorship, of course.
[01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:42.300]  The dictator's not going to recognize their sovereignty in the soil,
[01:15:42.300 --> 01:15:46.300]  but what I'm saying is that, generally speaking,
[01:15:46.300 --> 01:15:50.300]  there are citizens that belong in the nation,
[01:15:50.300 --> 01:15:54.300]  and then other citizens that are from other nations
[01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:57.300]  that do not belong there only have privileges to be there.
[01:15:57.300 --> 01:16:00.300]  It's kind of like if you went to China, for example.
[01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:02.300]  The question would be,
[01:16:02.300 --> 01:16:05.300]  could you really ever become a citizen
[01:16:05.300 --> 01:16:08.300]  and really have any rights and own land,
[01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:11.300]  you know, allodial land, in China?
[01:16:11.300 --> 01:16:12.300]  Well, no, you can't.
[01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:13.300]  Just the same thing,
[01:16:13.300 --> 01:16:15.300]  because they can't come here and do the same thing.
[01:16:15.300 --> 01:16:16.300]  It's impossible,
[01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:22.300]  because they're not under law a citizen
[01:16:22.300 --> 01:16:26.300]  who has an inheritance in the soil, you see.
[01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:27.300]  There were reoriginals.
[01:16:27.300 --> 01:16:29.300]  See, like, if you go to the preamble of the Constitution,
[01:16:29.300 --> 01:16:30.300]  this is what it says.
[01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:33.300]  It says, we do our thing to establish this Constitution
[01:16:33.300 --> 01:16:35.300]  for ourselves and our posterity,
[01:16:35.300 --> 01:16:37.300]  and they didn't include everybody else.
[01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:39.300]  They included themselves in our posterity.
[01:16:39.300 --> 01:16:42.300]  Okay, hang on just a second.
[01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:43.300]  We're about to go to break.
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[01:19:03.300 --> 01:19:09.300]  This is the Logos Radio Network.
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[01:19:16.300 --> 01:19:19.300]  Ain't gonna blind me
[01:19:22.300 --> 01:19:24.300]  Don't bore me
[01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:30.300]  Well
[01:19:33.300 --> 01:19:37.300]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again
[01:19:37.300 --> 01:19:41.300]  I was blindsided, but now I can see
[01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:42.300]  Okay, we are back.
[01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:44.300]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens,
[01:19:44.300 --> 01:19:45.300]  the lead of La Radio,
[01:19:45.300 --> 01:19:47.300]  and we're talking to Ed in Texas.
[01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:52.300]  And I kind of gathered my thoughts over the break.
[01:19:52.300 --> 01:19:58.300]  If we are born a congressional citizen,
[01:19:58.300 --> 01:20:05.300]  what is the effect of that on me as an individual
[01:20:05.300 --> 01:20:12.300]  as opposed to status as an organic citizen?
[01:20:12.300 --> 01:20:18.300]  My founding forefathers were here in 1743.
[01:20:18.300 --> 01:20:20.300]  That's the first one I could find.
[01:20:20.300 --> 01:20:24.300]  So my ancestors would have been here
[01:20:24.300 --> 01:20:26.300]  at the time of the revolution.
[01:20:26.300 --> 01:20:29.300]  What would be my status?
[01:20:29.300 --> 01:20:34.300]  Oh, I guess it'd help if I unmute you.
[01:20:34.300 --> 01:20:36.300]  Sorry about that.
[01:20:36.300 --> 01:20:37.300]  It's okay.
[01:20:37.300 --> 01:20:44.300]  The Naturalization Act defines who the persons were
[01:20:44.300 --> 01:20:47.300]  who created, who established this nation.
[01:20:47.300 --> 01:20:48.300]  Okay.
[01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:51.300]  And what it says is there's three acts.
[01:20:51.300 --> 01:20:56.300]  There's the 1790, 1795, and the 1802 Act.
[01:20:56.300 --> 01:20:59.300]  If you look in the statutes at large, okay?
[01:20:59.300 --> 01:21:02.300]  And those were before the 1870, all right?
[01:21:02.300 --> 01:21:04.300]  So if you look in there, they're organic,
[01:21:04.300 --> 01:21:08.300]  and they have not been repealed except for the first two.
[01:21:08.300 --> 01:21:12.300]  1790 and 1795 were repealed for other reasons,
[01:21:12.300 --> 01:21:16.300]  but the definition of what a citizen of the United States is
[01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:20.300]  is very clear in all three of the statutes.
[01:21:20.300 --> 01:21:23.300]  They didn't change it in any one of the three.
[01:21:23.300 --> 01:21:31.300]  In 1790, Thomas Jefferson penned the Naturalization Act of 1790.
[01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:35.300]  Now, whether it was enacted exactly the way he penned it or not,
[01:21:35.300 --> 01:21:36.300]  I'm not sure,
[01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:39.300]  because I haven't looked at the original one that he penned,
[01:21:39.300 --> 01:21:43.300]  but nonetheless, he was the one that penned it,
[01:21:43.300 --> 01:21:46.300]  so it shows original intent.
[01:21:46.300 --> 01:21:51.300]  Okay, so 1790 was two years after the Constitution,
[01:21:51.300 --> 01:21:54.300]  one year, I guess, one year after the Constitution
[01:21:54.300 --> 01:21:56.300]  was established and ratified,
[01:21:56.300 --> 01:22:00.300]  so the ink on the paper was still wet, you know?
[01:22:00.300 --> 01:22:03.300]  And so when they created and said,
[01:22:03.300 --> 01:22:07.300]  which they didn't say in the preamble of the Constitution,
[01:22:07.300 --> 01:22:11.300]  who they were and who the posterity were,
[01:22:11.300 --> 01:22:13.300]  in the Naturalization Act,
[01:22:13.300 --> 01:22:16.300]  they created that to show who it was.
[01:22:16.300 --> 01:22:19.300]  And in the beginning of that act,
[01:22:19.300 --> 01:22:21.300]  the very first one was...
[01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:22.300]  Okay, hold on.
[01:22:22.300 --> 01:22:24.300]  You've spent a lot of time
[01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:27.300]  talking about what you're going to tell us.
[01:22:27.300 --> 01:22:28.300]  Yes.
[01:22:28.300 --> 01:22:31.300]  Tell us first, and then give us all of that background.
[01:22:31.300 --> 01:22:32.300]  Okay, okay.
[01:22:32.300 --> 01:22:34.300]  What is the citizen?
[01:22:34.300 --> 01:22:36.300]  Okay, a citizen of the United States
[01:22:36.300 --> 01:22:39.300]  is defined in that act, the 1798.
[01:22:39.300 --> 01:22:40.300]  It says,
[01:22:40.300 --> 01:22:43.300]  any alien who, being a free white person,
[01:22:43.300 --> 01:22:45.300]  can be a citizen of the United States
[01:22:45.300 --> 01:22:48.300]  if he does the following things and not otherwise.
[01:22:48.300 --> 01:22:53.300]  And under that act, that was a judicial act.
[01:22:53.300 --> 01:22:55.300]  It had to be your...
[01:22:55.300 --> 01:22:58.300]  To become a citizen, a lawful citizen,
[01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:01.300]  you had to be adjudged a lawful citizen in a court.
[01:23:01.300 --> 01:23:03.300]  And, of course, today,
[01:23:03.300 --> 01:23:06.300]  that process has been moved to other places.
[01:23:06.300 --> 01:23:08.300]  It's not even under the judicial part
[01:23:08.300 --> 01:23:10.300]  of the government anymore.
[01:23:10.300 --> 01:23:12.300]  It was moved in 1906.
[01:23:12.300 --> 01:23:16.300]  It was moved to the congressional branch.
[01:23:16.300 --> 01:23:18.300]  Okay, now, wait a minute.
[01:23:18.300 --> 01:23:24.300]  If it was set up that way by statute and not constitution,
[01:23:24.300 --> 01:23:27.300]  then changing the branches
[01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:32.300]  is something within the purview of the legislature.
[01:23:32.300 --> 01:23:36.300]  Well, no, because it said not otherwise.
[01:23:36.300 --> 01:23:40.300]  And if you read in there, it says the...
[01:23:40.300 --> 01:23:41.300]  Now, wait a minute.
[01:23:41.300 --> 01:23:43.300]  The problem is, is that statute,
[01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:49.300]  not constitution, because the statute can be changed.
[01:23:49.300 --> 01:23:53.300]  Statute can be changed, but the act...
[01:23:53.300 --> 01:23:54.300]  What is it?
[01:23:54.300 --> 01:23:57.300]  The Ninth Amendment or Ninth Article?
[01:23:57.300 --> 01:24:01.300]  The supremacy clause says that this constitution
[01:24:01.300 --> 01:24:05.300]  and the laws written pursuant thereto
[01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:07.300]  are the supreme law of the land, okay?
[01:24:07.300 --> 01:24:09.300]  So those laws that were written
[01:24:09.300 --> 01:24:11.300]  pursuant to that constitution
[01:24:11.300 --> 01:24:13.300]  was the law of the land.
[01:24:13.300 --> 01:24:16.300]  So the 1790 Act, when it said that, okay,
[01:24:16.300 --> 01:24:19.300]  that is who can be a citizen,
[01:24:19.300 --> 01:24:22.300]  and the rest of the act is how they become a citizen.
[01:24:22.300 --> 01:24:25.300]  Okay, but the 1790 Act was repealed,
[01:24:25.300 --> 01:24:30.300]  so we can't apply to that for authority.
[01:24:30.300 --> 01:24:34.300]  What does the 1802 Act, was it never repealed?
[01:24:34.300 --> 01:24:35.300]  No, it never was.
[01:24:35.300 --> 01:24:38.300]  The 1795 Act was repealed, and it says so
[01:24:38.300 --> 01:24:41.300]  in the 1790 Act, if you look at the top...
[01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:48.300]  Was the 1802 Act superseded by subsequent statute?
[01:24:48.300 --> 01:24:49.300]  No.
[01:24:49.300 --> 01:24:50.300]  Or law?
[01:24:50.300 --> 01:24:51.300]  No, no.
[01:24:51.300 --> 01:24:54.300]  The only thing that it did was it went into,
[01:24:54.300 --> 01:24:57.300]  and if you look at the United States Code annotated,
[01:24:57.300 --> 01:24:59.300]  Title VIII.
[01:24:59.300 --> 01:25:02.300]  Title VIII was never passed into positive law,
[01:25:02.300 --> 01:25:05.300]  and that is citizenship and aliens.
[01:25:05.300 --> 01:25:08.300]  Never was passed into positive law, so therefore,
[01:25:08.300 --> 01:25:10.300]  the original law applies.
[01:25:10.300 --> 01:25:11.300]  It doesn't...
[01:25:11.300 --> 01:25:12.300]  The United States Code...
[01:25:12.300 --> 01:25:14.300]  Okay, hold on, hold on.
[01:25:14.300 --> 01:25:19.300]  Now, is that an established legal fact,
[01:25:19.300 --> 01:25:22.300]  or is that a legal conclusion?
[01:25:22.300 --> 01:25:23.300]  No, that's...
[01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:25.300]  Well, I mean, from my research,
[01:25:25.300 --> 01:25:26.300]  that is an...
[01:25:26.300 --> 01:25:27.300]  Oh, okay.
[01:25:27.300 --> 01:25:28.300]  See, I have...
[01:25:28.300 --> 01:25:29.300]  I know Tony Davis,
[01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:32.300]  and Tony Davis conclusively proved
[01:25:32.300 --> 01:25:35.300]  that Title XVIII, the criminal code,
[01:25:35.300 --> 01:25:38.300]  was never passed into substantive law.
[01:25:38.300 --> 01:25:39.300]  It probably wasn't.
[01:25:39.300 --> 01:25:41.300]  I don't think much of the codes were.
[01:25:41.300 --> 01:25:43.300]  There's only, like, about 16 of them.
[01:25:43.300 --> 01:25:45.300]  Okay, here's the problem.
[01:25:45.300 --> 01:25:50.300]  That is a conclusion that Tony Davis came to.
[01:25:50.300 --> 01:25:51.300]  Mm-hmm.
[01:25:51.300 --> 01:25:54.300]  We can't go to the courts and say,
[01:25:54.300 --> 01:25:56.300]  well, we've concluded that Title XVIII
[01:25:56.300 --> 01:26:00.300]  wasn't passed into law, so you can't enforce it.
[01:26:00.300 --> 01:26:05.300]  They're going to sit the marshals on us anyway.
[01:26:05.300 --> 01:26:06.300]  No, you don't do it that way.
[01:26:06.300 --> 01:26:07.300]  What you do is you go
[01:26:07.300 --> 01:26:09.300]  and you bring up the original law.
[01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:11.300]  See, because in the...
[01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:12.300]  If you look at the first title
[01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:14.300]  of the United States Code annotated,
[01:26:14.300 --> 01:26:17.300]  it says that these titles...
[01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:19.300]  It tells you that if these titles
[01:26:19.300 --> 01:26:22.300]  have been passed into positive law,
[01:26:22.300 --> 01:26:25.300]  they have been word for word
[01:26:25.300 --> 01:26:27.300]  and punctuation for punctuation
[01:26:27.300 --> 01:26:30.300]  of the original organic law from the United States Code...
[01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:33.300]  I mean, the statutes at large.
[01:26:33.300 --> 01:26:35.300]  And so if they're not passed into positive law,
[01:26:35.300 --> 01:26:37.300]  that's an indication that the wording
[01:26:37.300 --> 01:26:40.300]  or the punctuation has been changed.
[01:26:40.300 --> 01:26:41.300]  Okay?
[01:26:41.300 --> 01:26:42.300]  And so therefore,
[01:26:42.300 --> 01:26:44.300]  that means that you should be bringing up...
[01:26:44.300 --> 01:26:46.300]  If they're trying to charge you with a code
[01:26:46.300 --> 01:26:50.300]  in the United States Code annotated,
[01:26:50.300 --> 01:26:52.300]  then you should be saying,
[01:26:52.300 --> 01:26:53.300]  now, wait a minute, judge.
[01:26:53.300 --> 01:26:56.300]  This has not been passed into positive law.
[01:26:56.300 --> 01:26:59.300]  Here is the real positive law,
[01:26:59.300 --> 01:27:01.300]  and it's under the statutes at large.
[01:27:01.300 --> 01:27:03.300]  And under this statutes at large,
[01:27:03.300 --> 01:27:04.300]  you know, whatever.
[01:27:04.300 --> 01:27:06.300]  You can't charge me or whatever it is,
[01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:08.300]  whatever it says, okay?
[01:27:08.300 --> 01:27:09.300]  And so...
[01:27:09.300 --> 01:27:11.300]  Okay, I absolutely agree with that.
[01:27:11.300 --> 01:27:12.300]  Okay.
[01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:17.300]  So what does 1802 establish?
[01:27:17.300 --> 01:27:20.300]  1802 is the...
[01:27:20.300 --> 01:27:23.300]  Really was the last act
[01:27:23.300 --> 01:27:27.300]  that was judicial,
[01:27:27.300 --> 01:27:29.300]  you know, under the Judicial Act.
[01:27:29.300 --> 01:27:31.300]  It was changed in 1901...
[01:27:31.300 --> 01:27:33.300]  Or 1906, I'm sorry.
[01:27:33.300 --> 01:27:38.300]  1906 to go to the legislative branch of government,
[01:27:38.300 --> 01:27:39.300]  and it was changed then.
[01:27:39.300 --> 01:27:43.300]  But the who could be a citizen
[01:27:43.300 --> 01:27:47.300]  has never changed by a lawful Congress
[01:27:47.300 --> 01:27:48.300]  because in 18...
[01:27:48.300 --> 01:27:51.300]  The reason why that is,
[01:27:51.300 --> 01:27:56.300]  the reason why that the laws today are not lawful,
[01:27:56.300 --> 01:27:59.300]  or under the original laws,
[01:27:59.300 --> 01:28:00.300]  they're not the law.
[01:28:00.300 --> 01:28:02.300]  They're a fiction of law.
[01:28:02.300 --> 01:28:06.300]  The reason for that is because in 17...
[01:28:06.300 --> 01:28:09.300]  I mean, in 1870,
[01:28:09.300 --> 01:28:11.300]  a person who was not lawful
[01:28:11.300 --> 01:28:15.300]  got into the Congress in Mississippi into the Senate,
[01:28:15.300 --> 01:28:19.300]  which was a huge fight in the Congress.
[01:28:19.300 --> 01:28:22.300]  And when they got into Congress,
[01:28:22.300 --> 01:28:25.300]  it made the whole of Congress unlawful.
[01:28:25.300 --> 01:28:27.300]  So they could not pass law
[01:28:27.300 --> 01:28:32.300]  because the original law would only allow
[01:28:32.300 --> 01:28:36.300]  white male property owners in government.
[01:28:36.300 --> 01:28:37.300]  That's the way it was.
[01:28:37.300 --> 01:28:39.300]  And so whenever the...
[01:28:39.300 --> 01:28:42.300]  So what you're saying is,
[01:28:42.300 --> 01:28:46.300]  is that if we can come up with anything
[01:28:46.300 --> 01:28:50.300]  back in ancient history
[01:28:50.300 --> 01:28:54.300]  that can shed doubt on any law now,
[01:28:54.300 --> 01:28:57.300]  we can just flush all our laws down the toilet.
[01:28:57.300 --> 01:28:59.300]  Flush everything they've got down the toilet.
[01:28:59.300 --> 01:29:00.300]  That's right.
[01:29:00.300 --> 01:29:01.300]  And here's where...
[01:29:01.300 --> 01:29:02.300]  How are you gonna...
[01:29:02.300 --> 01:29:06.300]  You know, I don't live in a perfect world.
[01:29:06.300 --> 01:29:07.300]  That's right.
[01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:09.300]  I live in a real world.
[01:29:09.300 --> 01:29:14.300]  And I am absolutely not gonna give somebody
[01:29:14.300 --> 01:29:17.300]  information that they can take into court
[01:29:17.300 --> 01:29:20.300]  that's gonna get them in jail.
[01:29:20.300 --> 01:29:21.300]  Well, I mean...
[01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:24.300]  Even if they're right.
[01:29:24.300 --> 01:29:26.300]  If you do your case right and you appeal it,
[01:29:26.300 --> 01:29:27.300]  you will win.
[01:29:27.300 --> 01:29:29.300]  I promise you, you will win the case.
[01:29:29.300 --> 01:29:36.300]  I have never seen a case won by a pro se no matter what.
[01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:38.300]  No, not today they don't.
[01:29:38.300 --> 01:29:39.300]  That's right.
[01:29:39.300 --> 01:29:42.300]  Well, see, that's why I'm looking for remedy,
[01:29:42.300 --> 01:29:48.300]  but I'm reluctant to send someone chasing a remedy
[01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:51.300]  that is just not reasonably available.
[01:29:51.300 --> 01:29:53.300]  Hang on, we're about to go to break.
[01:29:53.300 --> 01:29:55.300]  Randy Kelton, David Stevens, Rule of the Radio.
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[01:30:02.300 --> 01:30:04.300]  Everyone knows eating broccoli is good for you,
[01:30:04.300 --> 01:30:06.300]  but would you wear it to the beach?
[01:30:06.300 --> 01:30:09.300]  You just might want to when you hear the latest research.
[01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:10.300]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht,
[01:30:10.300 --> 01:30:13.300]  and I'll share a surprising new use for this vegetable
[01:30:13.300 --> 01:30:40.300]  in just a moment.
[01:30:44.300 --> 01:30:47.300]  Broccoli is loaded with vitamins, minerals, and fiber,
[01:30:47.300 --> 01:30:49.300]  and it tastes great in so many ways.
[01:30:49.300 --> 01:30:52.300]  Personally, I love mine sautéed with garlic and soy sauce,
[01:30:52.300 --> 01:30:55.300]  but now scientists say we might want to slather its juice
[01:30:55.300 --> 01:30:56.300]  on our bodies.
[01:30:56.300 --> 01:30:57.300]  I'm not joking.
[01:30:57.300 --> 01:31:00.300]  Researchers at Johns Hopkins University found
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[01:31:02.300 --> 01:31:05.300]  against the sun's ultraviolet rays than name-brand sunscreens.
[01:31:05.300 --> 01:31:08.300]  Broccoli juice works differently than sunscreen.
[01:31:08.300 --> 01:31:11.300]  It doesn't prevent rays from entering the skin.
[01:31:11.300 --> 01:31:13.300]  Rather, it prompts the body to produce enzymes
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[01:31:18.300 --> 01:31:21.300]  As a bonus, the juice continues working for several days,
[01:31:21.300 --> 01:31:23.300]  even after it's been washed away.
[01:31:23.300 --> 01:31:25.300]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
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[01:34:05.300 --> 01:34:08.300]  Luke Kaye, we are back. Randy Kelton, Debbie Stevens.
[01:34:08.300 --> 01:34:12.300]  We have our radio and we're talking to Ed in Texas.
[01:34:12.300 --> 01:34:15.300]  And it's not that I'm trying to be difficult, Ed,
[01:34:15.300 --> 01:34:18.300]  and I've heard these arguments before.
[01:34:18.300 --> 01:34:22.300]  What I'm trying to do is find a way to convert these arguments
[01:34:22.300 --> 01:34:28.300]  into a tool we can use in a real world court to achieve remedy.
[01:34:28.300 --> 01:34:30.300]  Okay.
[01:34:30.300 --> 01:34:35.300]  The issue of Title 18 never being passed by the legislature.
[01:34:35.300 --> 01:34:41.300]  Tony has letters from the Clerk of the House and Clerk of the Senate
[01:34:41.300 --> 01:34:49.300]  that conclusively prove that a single version of Title 18
[01:34:49.300 --> 01:34:52.300]  was never passed by both houses.
[01:34:52.300 --> 01:34:55.300]  A version was passed by the House, went to the Senate.
[01:34:55.300 --> 01:34:57.300]  A version was passed by the Senate.
[01:34:57.300 --> 01:34:59.300]  It was changed, sent back to the House.
[01:34:59.300 --> 01:35:01.300]  The House closed sign die.
[01:35:01.300 --> 01:35:05.300]  Someone took the Senate version, took it to the President, he signed it.
[01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:08.300]  Never was even heard by the House.
[01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:10.300]  Okay, conclusively proved it.
[01:35:10.300 --> 01:35:15.300]  One lawyer who was a friend of his brought that up three times in court
[01:35:15.300 --> 01:35:18.300]  the third time they pulled his bar card for six months.
[01:35:18.300 --> 01:35:20.300]  All right.
[01:35:20.300 --> 01:35:21.300]  Tony, we don't want to hear it.
[01:35:21.300 --> 01:35:23.300]  We told you not to bring it up again.
[01:35:23.300 --> 01:35:26.300]  Didn't make any difference that it was true.
[01:35:26.300 --> 01:35:29.300]  Exactly. Exactly.
[01:35:29.300 --> 01:35:32.300]  You know why it doesn't make any difference, Randy?
[01:35:32.300 --> 01:35:34.300]  Because it's by agreement.
[01:35:34.300 --> 01:35:37.300]  It doesn't matter if it was never properly ratified.
[01:35:37.300 --> 01:35:39.300]  Okay, I'm not going there now.
[01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:42.300]  Okay, well, I'm just saying that's why they told the lawyer
[01:35:42.300 --> 01:35:45.300]  they're going to pull his bar card because it doesn't really matter.
[01:35:45.300 --> 01:35:46.300]  That's why.
[01:35:46.300 --> 01:35:48.300]  If you agree to it, it doesn't matter.
[01:35:48.300 --> 01:35:52.300]  I'm trying to go to real remedy.
[01:35:52.300 --> 01:36:00.300]  How could we use the, if all of the laws now are invalid,
[01:36:00.300 --> 01:36:04.300]  how are we going to get a court to give us a positive ruling?
[01:36:04.300 --> 01:36:11.300]  It's been my experience with the courts that judges do not like to render rulings
[01:36:11.300 --> 01:36:15.300]  that will change the legal world as they know it.
[01:36:15.300 --> 01:36:17.300]  They want real simple, easy rulings.
[01:36:17.300 --> 01:36:19.300]  They can wrap their head around.
[01:36:19.300 --> 01:36:24.300]  It's not going to come back to bite them in the butt by getting overturned by the Court of Appeals.
[01:36:24.300 --> 01:36:33.300]  How do we use this in a way that an ordinary person can achieve remedy, and where would they use it?
[01:36:33.300 --> 01:36:42.300]  Okay, the remedy is in the due process of law clause of the Fifth Amendment
[01:36:42.300 --> 01:36:45.300]  and the due process of law clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
[01:36:45.300 --> 01:36:48.300]  You see, they both have due process of law clauses.
[01:36:48.300 --> 01:36:55.300]  Under the due process of law clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, a Fourteenth Amendment citizen,
[01:36:55.300 --> 01:37:03.300]  it does not have all of the rights that a state citizen has.
[01:37:03.300 --> 01:37:10.300]  As a matter of fact, I read a case called Jones v. Timmer,
[01:37:10.300 --> 01:37:17.300]  and they said it twice in the case that the Bill of Rights does not go through the Fourteenth Amendment.
[01:37:17.300 --> 01:37:21.300]  And I've read several issues where it does not.
[01:37:21.300 --> 01:37:32.300]  So if you are a state citizen, you are absolutely guaranteed the due process under the Fifth Amendment.
[01:37:32.300 --> 01:37:38.300]  Okay, well, that implies that we don't have dual citizenship.
[01:37:38.300 --> 01:37:40.300]  Is that the case?
[01:37:40.300 --> 01:37:42.300]  No, you have dual citizenship.
[01:37:42.300 --> 01:37:47.300]  Most definitely there's dual citizenship because you have the Fourteenth Amendment citizen
[01:37:47.300 --> 01:37:51.300]  and you have the organic citizen and the organic citizen.
[01:37:51.300 --> 01:37:52.300]  No, no, no, that's not what I'm talking about.
[01:37:52.300 --> 01:37:57.300]  You're talking federal, Fourteenth Amendment and state citizenship.
[01:37:57.300 --> 01:37:59.300]  Right.
[01:37:59.300 --> 01:38:05.300]  Organic and congressional would not exactly be dual citizenship.
[01:38:05.300 --> 01:38:09.300]  That's citizenship in the same legal entity.
[01:38:09.300 --> 01:38:10.300]  Yeah, I agree with you. You're right.
[01:38:10.300 --> 01:38:15.300]  There's really no other citizen. There's only one real citizen of the country.
[01:38:15.300 --> 01:38:17.300]  The other one is tongue in cheek citizen.
[01:38:17.300 --> 01:38:24.300]  As a matter of fact, from all of my reading and research, I find that they're not even citizens, that they're still aliens.
[01:38:24.300 --> 01:38:26.300]  They've never become true citizens.
[01:38:26.300 --> 01:38:28.300]  They can't be by law.
[01:38:28.300 --> 01:38:32.300]  Okay, how does that affect how the law applies?
[01:38:32.300 --> 01:38:41.300]  Okay, doesn't due process apply to everyone who is in the country and not just the citizens?
[01:38:41.300 --> 01:38:48.300]  Well, it does, but because of the fact, let me show you something.
[01:38:48.300 --> 01:38:49.300]  Let me show you something.
[01:38:49.300 --> 01:38:54.300]  In Arkansas, just to give you a good example of what I'm talking about.
[01:38:54.300 --> 01:38:59.300]  In Arkansas, in their code, it's current code now, Arkansas code annotated.
[01:38:59.300 --> 01:39:05.300]  It's at section 16-4-101, and it's current.
[01:39:05.300 --> 01:39:06.300]  This is what it says.
[01:39:06.300 --> 01:39:16.300]  Under personal jurisdiction of the courts, okay, it says, personal jurisdiction, the courts of this state, without exception,
[01:39:16.300 --> 01:39:25.300]  shall have personal jurisdiction of all persons and all causes of action or claims for relief to the maximum extent,
[01:39:25.300 --> 01:39:34.300]  and get ready for this one, permitted by the due process of law clause of the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution, period,
[01:39:34.300 --> 01:39:41.300]  does not say anything about, and the 5th Amendment due process does not say that.
[01:39:41.300 --> 01:39:43.300]  It doesn't have to.
[01:39:43.300 --> 01:39:44.300]  Yes, it does.
[01:39:44.300 --> 01:39:51.300]  Because that applies as a matter of law anyway.
[01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:54.300]  No, it doesn't, not to a 14th citizen.
[01:39:54.300 --> 01:39:59.300]  Because Jones v. Timmer, remember what I said in Jones v. Timmer.
[01:39:59.300 --> 01:40:03.300]  Jones v. Timmer says the Bill of Rights does not go through the 14th Amendment,
[01:40:03.300 --> 01:40:10.300]  so if you're going in in a 14th Amendment process in a court, you can't get any of your Bill of Rights,
[01:40:10.300 --> 01:40:14.300]  and the proof of that is you can see it in many ways when you go into the court.
[01:40:14.300 --> 01:40:23.300]  How is a 14th Amendment process different than an organic citizen process?
[01:40:23.300 --> 01:40:31.300]  The 14th Amendment due process allows some parts of the organic law,
[01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:36.300]  like, for example, the right to an attorney, the right to a jury trial.
[01:40:36.300 --> 01:40:44.300]  However, the jury trial is merely a mixture of people, whereas under the organic law,
[01:40:44.300 --> 01:40:48.300]  organic law would not allow a mixture of people.
[01:40:48.300 --> 01:40:53.300]  It would only allow male white people, male white persons.
[01:40:53.300 --> 01:40:54.300]  That's the difference.
[01:40:54.300 --> 01:41:01.300]  And so you've got the window dressing of a jury for a 14th Amendment citizen, okay.
[01:41:01.300 --> 01:41:02.300]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:41:02.300 --> 01:41:03.300]  Hold on.
[01:41:03.300 --> 01:41:04.300]  How do we get there?
[01:41:04.300 --> 01:41:09.300]  Is that in constitution or is that in statute?
[01:41:09.300 --> 01:41:14.300]  That we can only have white males.
[01:41:14.300 --> 01:41:18.300]  White males are the only ones who've got the political rights in this country,
[01:41:18.300 --> 01:41:22.300]  and the political rights are the rights to be in government.
[01:41:22.300 --> 01:41:23.300]  They are the only one.
[01:41:23.300 --> 01:41:24.300]  Okay.
[01:41:24.300 --> 01:41:32.300]  Is there a requirement that in order to be a juror, you have to have political rights?
[01:41:32.300 --> 01:41:34.300]  Yes, that's right.
[01:41:34.300 --> 01:41:35.300]  You do because-
[01:41:35.300 --> 01:41:37.300]  No, where is that?
[01:41:37.300 --> 01:41:39.300]  I've never seen any reference to that.
[01:41:39.300 --> 01:41:44.300]  It's in the original constitutions which created the states and in their laws.
[01:41:44.300 --> 01:41:49.300]  If you'll read some of the original constitutions, which have not been repealed, by the way,
[01:41:49.300 --> 01:41:53.300]  because if they were repealed, then the state was repealed.
[01:41:53.300 --> 01:41:57.300]  You cannot repeal a document that created a state.
[01:41:57.300 --> 01:41:58.300]  You can't do that because-
[01:41:58.300 --> 01:42:00.300]  Okay, original constitution.
[01:42:00.300 --> 01:42:08.300]  Are you talking about the Articles of Confederation or the original form of the current constitution?
[01:42:08.300 --> 01:42:13.300]  I'm talking about the original constitution for the United States, 1789,
[01:42:13.300 --> 01:42:21.300]  and the original constitutions which created each of the states when they became part of the union.
[01:42:21.300 --> 01:42:24.300]  That first constitution created the state.
[01:42:24.300 --> 01:42:32.300]  Where does that constitution limit a juror to being a white male?
[01:42:32.300 --> 01:42:38.300]  It may not be in the constitution. It might be in the laws that were written pursuant to that constitution.
[01:42:38.300 --> 01:42:40.300]  In other words, if you go back to their-
[01:42:40.300 --> 01:42:43.300]  Okay, here's a problem that I have.
[01:42:43.300 --> 01:42:45.300]  Okay.
[01:42:45.300 --> 01:42:56.300]  On the show, one of the things that we stress, never make a proactive statement of law out of your own mouth.
[01:42:56.300 --> 01:42:57.300]  Okay.
[01:42:57.300 --> 01:43:03.300]  You must make proactive statements of law out of the mouth of the legislature or the courts.
[01:43:03.300 --> 01:43:09.300]  So these are the empty places I keep coming across.
[01:43:09.300 --> 01:43:15.300]  If I'm going to make this argument, I can't do it by legal conclusion.
[01:43:15.300 --> 01:43:24.300]  I can give the judge the most convincing story and the most cogent argument, and he can agree with me.
[01:43:24.300 --> 01:43:25.300]  Right.
[01:43:25.300 --> 01:43:33.300]  If I haven't given him facts and law to apply to those facts, he has no power to rule in my favor.
[01:43:33.300 --> 01:43:40.300]  And here I'm missing out on some of the law that I can apply to the facts.
[01:43:40.300 --> 01:43:42.300]  I'm not trying to be difficult.
[01:43:42.300 --> 01:43:44.300]  I don't. I recognize that.
[01:43:44.300 --> 01:43:48.300]  Okay. Hang on. We will be right back on the other side.
[01:43:48.300 --> 01:43:55.300]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, our colleague number, 512-646-1984.
[01:43:55.300 --> 01:44:24.300]  We'll be right back.
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[01:44:33.300 --> 01:44:37.300]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
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[01:46:24.300 --> 01:46:28.300]  Some things in this world I will never understand.
[01:46:28.300 --> 01:46:32.300]  Some things I realize fully.
[01:46:32.300 --> 01:46:37.300]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman.
[01:46:37.300 --> 01:46:41.300]  Somebody's gonna bully, bully.
[01:46:41.300 --> 01:46:46.300]  There's always a room at the top of the hill.
[01:46:46.300 --> 01:46:50.300]  I hear through the grave mine and his lonely love still.
[01:46:50.300 --> 01:46:54.300]  They're wishing it was more than opposition to fill.
[01:46:54.300 --> 01:46:58.300]  They know that if they don't do it, somebody will.
[01:46:58.300 --> 01:47:02.300]  Some things in this world I will never understand.
[01:47:02.300 --> 01:47:06.300]  Some things I realize fully.
[01:47:06.300 --> 01:47:08.300]  Okay, we are back.
[01:47:08.300 --> 01:47:14.300]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio, and we're talking to Ed in Texas.
[01:47:14.300 --> 01:47:16.300]  And Ed.
[01:47:16.300 --> 01:47:17.300]  Yes.
[01:47:17.300 --> 01:47:21.300]  I need that legal foundation.
[01:47:21.300 --> 01:47:27.300]  I need to be able to go before the court and say step by step.
[01:47:27.300 --> 01:47:28.300]  Every.
[01:47:28.300 --> 01:47:29.300]  Right.
[01:47:29.300 --> 01:47:30.300]  Okay.
[01:47:30.300 --> 01:47:31.300]  Go ahead.
[01:47:31.300 --> 01:47:34.300]  I understand, I understand what you're looking for.
[01:47:34.300 --> 01:47:38.300]  And what I was trying to show you by reading these documents.
[01:47:38.300 --> 01:47:42.300]  And I also have another one here that'll blow everybody out of the water.
[01:47:42.300 --> 01:47:46.300]  But here's what I, here's what I would do.
[01:47:46.300 --> 01:47:48.300]  If I was going to use this information.
[01:47:48.300 --> 01:47:55.300]  First of all, you have to establish with the court on the record who you are.
[01:47:55.300 --> 01:47:56.300]  Your status.
[01:47:56.300 --> 01:48:02.300]  So, I have a declaration that I use to go into the court and I file it in the court
[01:48:02.300 --> 01:48:04.300]  stating who I am.
[01:48:04.300 --> 01:48:05.300]  What my status is.
[01:48:05.300 --> 01:48:11.300]  That I am one of the posterity of the framers as was intended.
[01:48:11.300 --> 01:48:13.300]  I am one of the inheritors in the land.
[01:48:13.300 --> 01:48:19.300]  The land belongs to me along with my other brethren of the same posterity and so on and
[01:48:19.300 --> 01:48:20.300]  so forth.
[01:48:20.300 --> 01:48:21.300]  All right.
[01:48:21.300 --> 01:48:23.300]  This declaration is quite lengthy.
[01:48:23.300 --> 01:48:24.300]  It's about eight pages long.
[01:48:24.300 --> 01:48:32.300]  But it goes into detail about who has the highest status in the country and can use
[01:48:32.300 --> 01:48:33.300]  the original law.
[01:48:33.300 --> 01:48:34.300]  Okay.
[01:48:34.300 --> 01:48:44.180]  Now, from there, what you argue to the court is you indicate to the judge and the prosecutor
[01:48:44.180 --> 01:48:50.740]  that this case, you have noticed that this is kind of a foreign process that is going
[01:48:50.740 --> 01:48:52.820]  on here.
[01:48:52.820 --> 01:48:57.900]  You notice that, for example, they have six-man juries instead of 12, which is not common
[01:48:57.900 --> 01:48:58.900]  law.
[01:48:58.900 --> 01:48:59.900]  Okay.
[01:48:59.900 --> 01:49:06.100]  You notice that the judge can overturn the jury's verdict, which is not common law.
[01:49:06.100 --> 01:49:12.300]  You notice that the prosecutor is a member of a foreign entity called the American Bar
[01:49:12.300 --> 01:49:13.300]  Association.
[01:49:13.300 --> 01:49:19.620]  He's a foreign agent, which he can't function in a common law court because he's foreign.
[01:49:19.620 --> 01:49:21.220]  And he can't operate under the law.
[01:49:21.220 --> 01:49:23.140]  He's actually a 14th Amendment too.
[01:49:23.140 --> 01:49:28.100]  He's exactly the same thing because when they become a member of the bar, they in effect
[01:49:28.100 --> 01:49:30.380]  expatriate themselves.
[01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:31.380]  They are no longer-
[01:49:31.380 --> 01:49:32.380]  Okay.
[01:49:32.380 --> 01:49:33.380]  Okay.
[01:49:33.380 --> 01:49:37.260]  That is a whole bunch of legal conclusion.
[01:49:37.260 --> 01:49:39.540]  And I would never go there in court.
[01:49:39.540 --> 01:49:45.900]  Well, there's statutes that say this, and I'm not saying it off the top of my head.
[01:49:45.900 --> 01:49:46.900]  Okay.
[01:49:46.900 --> 01:49:48.140]  But this brings me to a question.
[01:49:48.140 --> 01:49:52.700]  The assertion of your status-
[01:49:52.700 --> 01:49:55.460]  Okay.
[01:49:55.460 --> 01:49:56.940]  What you do is you-
[01:49:56.940 --> 01:50:05.380]  Do you have the status only because you assert it or do you have that status?
[01:50:05.380 --> 01:50:06.380]  Yeah.
[01:50:06.380 --> 01:50:07.380]  No.
[01:50:07.380 --> 01:50:09.220]  You have the status from birth to death.
[01:50:09.220 --> 01:50:10.740]  You cannot throw your status off.
[01:50:10.740 --> 01:50:11.900]  You cannot sell it.
[01:50:11.900 --> 01:50:13.600]  You cannot get rid of it.
[01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:15.420]  Your status is your status.
[01:50:15.420 --> 01:50:23.060]  Then what is the reason for explaining to the court your status?
[01:50:23.060 --> 01:50:24.420]  Okay.
[01:50:24.420 --> 01:50:31.420]  Because at the door of the court is a presumption that is in every court in this land.
[01:50:31.420 --> 01:50:35.780]  And that presumption, and the only way their courts can operate under the process that
[01:50:35.780 --> 01:50:40.700]  they're operating under, like I showed you in Arkansas, for example, the only reason
[01:50:40.700 --> 01:50:48.100]  they can operate under that 14th Amendment due process is that they have to have a presumption
[01:50:48.100 --> 01:50:54.460]  that everyone that enters the door is 14th Amendment.
[01:50:54.460 --> 01:51:01.980]  And if you don't say otherwise, regardless of what you look like, the judges can maybe
[01:51:01.980 --> 01:51:04.540]  look at you and he can see you're a state citizen.
[01:51:04.540 --> 01:51:09.700]  But if you do not say something about it, if you do not rebut the 14th Amendment due
[01:51:09.700 --> 01:51:13.820]  process, they will move forward against you anyway.
[01:51:13.820 --> 01:51:14.820]  Okay.
[01:51:14.820 --> 01:51:17.140]  Ed, I have to make a comment here.
[01:51:17.140 --> 01:51:24.580]  If you have a commercial nexus with the system, with the entity that you're dealing with,
[01:51:24.580 --> 01:51:28.420]  all those objections and trying to establish that you have a different status, it's not
[01:51:28.420 --> 01:51:29.580]  going to work.
[01:51:29.580 --> 01:51:30.580]  Okay.
[01:51:30.580 --> 01:51:31.980]  This is what I was saying earlier.
[01:51:31.980 --> 01:51:35.300]  Ultimately, that status stuff doesn't really matter.
[01:51:35.300 --> 01:51:40.320]  What matters is do you have a commercial agreement in this particular situation?
[01:51:40.320 --> 01:51:44.180]  And if you have a commercial agreement, it doesn't matter what your status is.
[01:51:44.180 --> 01:51:47.940]  And you can object and you can say, I have a different status, I fall under the common
[01:51:47.940 --> 01:51:50.420]  law, I'm not a 14th Amendment citizen, it doesn't matter.
[01:51:50.420 --> 01:51:54.820]  If you've got a commercial nexus with the system in this particular situation, then
[01:51:54.820 --> 01:52:01.200]  they've got you under that 14th Amendment due process, as you call it.
[01:52:01.200 --> 01:52:08.160]  And so the real question is to figure out, do you or do you not have a commercial nexus
[01:52:08.160 --> 01:52:12.620]  with the entity that is going after you with the state?
[01:52:12.620 --> 01:52:21.520]  In this particular situation, because as I was explaining before, you can be a taxpayer,
[01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:26.640]  you can be classified as a taxpayer, and you can have a commercial nexus with the IRS.
[01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:32.540]  But if you don't have a driver's license, then you don't have a commercial nexus with
[01:52:32.540 --> 01:52:38.020]  the DPS or with the state of talking to Texas or whatever.
[01:52:38.020 --> 01:52:43.520]  And so you can get out of traffic tickets and everything else because the transportation
[01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:47.980]  code does not apply to you because you don't have a driver's license.
[01:52:47.980 --> 01:52:51.900]  It doesn't matter if you're a common law citizen or a 14th Amendment citizen or not, okay?
[01:52:51.900 --> 01:52:56.700]  So you can have somebody, regardless of their status as you're talking about, and they can
[01:52:56.700 --> 01:53:00.540]  be a taxpayer, they can have a commercial nexus with the IRS, all of that applies to
[01:53:00.540 --> 01:53:01.540]  them.
[01:53:01.540 --> 01:53:04.540]  But if they don't have a driver's license, the transportation code does not apply to
[01:53:04.540 --> 01:53:05.540]  them.
[01:53:05.540 --> 01:53:10.640]  So you have to look at the individual situations and do you or do you not have a commercial
[01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:13.700]  nexus in that particular situation?
[01:53:13.700 --> 01:53:15.500]  That's what really matters.
[01:53:15.500 --> 01:53:22.780]  Okay, that's where I was hoping to get to is how this applied to the application of
[01:53:22.780 --> 01:53:23.780]  statute.
[01:53:23.780 --> 01:53:26.060]  And we do have another caller.
[01:53:26.060 --> 01:53:27.620]  We've only got like five minutes left.
[01:53:27.620 --> 01:53:32.780]  Randy, do you want to bring our other caller into the conversation here?
[01:53:32.780 --> 01:53:37.380]  Yeah, Terrence has a question or comment concerning 14th Amendment.
[01:53:37.380 --> 01:53:41.380]  And Terrence, I'm sorry, I was supposed to get to you earlier and I kind of got distracted
[01:53:41.380 --> 01:53:42.380]  here.
[01:53:42.380 --> 01:53:43.380]  I was having too much fun.
[01:53:43.380 --> 01:53:44.380]  Okay, Terrence, go ahead.
[01:53:44.380 --> 01:53:45.380]  What is your question or comment?
[01:53:45.380 --> 01:53:50.720]  Okay, hang on, Ed, and we're going to keep your mic open, Ed, so you can comment.
[01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:53.260]  Go ahead, Terrence.
[01:53:53.260 --> 01:53:54.260]  Thank you so much.
[01:53:54.260 --> 01:54:01.420]  Reading the 14th Amendment and the year that it was passed and the condition it sets forth,
[01:54:01.420 --> 01:54:09.100]  and I'm pointing this off in my memory, a person born in the United States and subject
[01:54:09.100 --> 01:54:14.260]  to the jurisdiction thereof is not a man or a woman coming out of the womb of their mother.
[01:54:14.260 --> 01:54:18.540]  A person that is born is a senator.
[01:54:18.540 --> 01:54:20.900]  The election is the birth.
[01:54:20.900 --> 01:54:25.520]  The election is born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction.
[01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:32.340]  So now you can, I suppose you could contract in, but it goes on to describe the terms and
[01:54:32.340 --> 01:54:33.740]  services of representatives.
[01:54:33.740 --> 01:54:38.500]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, I'm confused.
[01:54:38.500 --> 01:54:46.260]  It applies to being elected or born subject to the jurisdiction.
[01:54:46.260 --> 01:54:51.100]  No child is born out of the mother's womb, subject to any United States, but a senator
[01:54:51.100 --> 01:54:56.500]  or a congressman or a government employee can be born in and subject to the jurisdiction.
[01:54:56.500 --> 01:55:00.700]  So it only applies to government employees and elected officials.
[01:55:00.700 --> 01:55:02.260]  That's my presumption.
[01:55:02.260 --> 01:55:06.820]  Ed, do you have a take on that?
[01:55:06.820 --> 01:55:14.020]  Well, that doesn't follow the law and the research that I've done because it does apply
[01:55:14.020 --> 01:55:16.540]  to government today.
[01:55:16.540 --> 01:55:19.460]  It does, because all of them are 14th members.
[01:55:19.460 --> 01:55:25.540]  Remember me telling you that they became unlawful, when they became unlawful, their whole system,
[01:55:25.540 --> 01:55:30.460]  everything they're doing, even themselves, fell under that 14th amendment system because
[01:55:30.460 --> 01:55:35.060]  they had to set up something because they couldn't work under the law because they were
[01:55:35.060 --> 01:55:36.060]  unlawful.
[01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:37.660]  It's impossible to work under the law.
[01:55:37.660 --> 01:55:38.660]  Okay, hold on.
[01:55:38.660 --> 01:55:46.820]  I think what we may have, and the reason I may be having a problem here is about definitions.
[01:55:46.820 --> 01:55:47.820]  The law.
[01:55:47.820 --> 01:55:49.700]  Are you talking about the common law?
[01:55:49.700 --> 01:55:54.700]  Yes, the original organic common law, yes.
[01:55:54.700 --> 01:55:56.860]  Not the current statutory law?
[01:55:56.860 --> 01:55:57.860]  No.
[01:55:57.860 --> 01:56:01.500]  Okay, that's an important distinction.
[01:56:01.500 --> 01:56:07.220]  How would we come under authority of the current statutory law?
[01:56:07.220 --> 01:56:14.200]  By your acquiescence, by not saying to the judge when you walk in the courtroom or filing
[01:56:14.200 --> 01:56:17.300]  a document saying not 14th amendment.
[01:56:17.300 --> 01:56:18.620]  I disagree with that.
[01:56:18.620 --> 01:56:19.620]  I'm sorry.
[01:56:19.620 --> 01:56:23.060]  I don't wanna disagree with the callers and argue with the callers, but I have to disagree
[01:56:23.060 --> 01:56:28.620]  because even if you file some document that says you're not a 14th amendment citizen,
[01:56:28.620 --> 01:56:33.340]  if you have a commercial nexus with the system in that particular situation, all of their
[01:56:33.340 --> 01:56:39.380]  statutes, their regs, everything, their so-called due process under the 14th amendment, it's
[01:56:39.380 --> 01:56:41.600]  going to apply to you.
[01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:45.820]  Whether you say you're not a 14th amendment citizen, it doesn't matter.
[01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:48.060]  You have to look for the commercial nexus.
[01:56:48.060 --> 01:56:55.200]  Yeah, but if you don't have a commercial nexus with them and you don't raise that issue,
[01:56:55.200 --> 01:56:56.200]  you waive it.
[01:56:56.200 --> 01:56:58.340]  Okay, that's my whole point again.
[01:56:58.340 --> 01:57:03.480]  You have to establish you don't have a commercial nexus with them.
[01:57:03.480 --> 01:57:05.100]  I think that's what he was doing.
[01:57:05.100 --> 01:57:09.840]  That's what he would be doing by establishing his position as outside the commercial nexus.
[01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:14.100]  I don't think that saying you're not a 14th amendment citizen is going to do that.
[01:57:14.100 --> 01:57:19.420]  I don't think that that's going to establish that you don't have a commercial nexus.
[01:57:19.420 --> 01:57:21.180]  It's like two totally different things.
[01:57:21.180 --> 01:57:26.900]  It's like you're trying to play defense in a football game with the rules of baseball.
[01:57:26.900 --> 01:57:29.580]  He's saying I'm not in that realm.
[01:57:29.580 --> 01:57:30.580]  I'm over here.
[01:57:30.580 --> 01:57:32.580]  I'm not part of your contractual.
[01:57:32.580 --> 01:57:36.100]  Ed, what's your position on that?
[01:57:36.100 --> 01:57:37.100]  That's right.
[01:57:37.100 --> 01:57:38.100]  Okay, let me answer that.
[01:57:38.100 --> 01:57:42.580]  It's very simple to answer that question or that issue.
[01:57:42.580 --> 01:57:43.580]  Go quickly.
[01:57:43.580 --> 01:57:49.060]  Jesus Christ, if you look at Jesus Christ, who was God himself, right?
[01:57:49.060 --> 01:57:55.500]  He says in Galatians that he stepped down from his high position and took a lower position
[01:57:55.500 --> 01:57:56.500]  in the flesh.
[01:57:56.500 --> 01:58:05.100]  A king has the perfect right to step down if he wants to at any time, but he does not
[01:58:05.100 --> 01:58:06.980]  have to necessarily stay there.
[01:58:06.980 --> 01:58:07.980]  Okay, all right.
[01:58:07.980 --> 01:58:11.460]  I'm going to have to stop you there because we're out of time, but I am going to give
[01:58:11.460 --> 01:58:12.620]  this example.
[01:58:12.620 --> 01:58:17.280]  If you have a driver's license and you get a traffic ticket and you go in there and you
[01:58:17.280 --> 01:58:21.720]  try to defend yourself by saying I'm not a 14th amendment citizen, it's not going to
[01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:26.940]  work because you have a commercial nexus with the system because you have a driver's license.
[01:58:26.940 --> 01:58:30.940]  So you have to look for where the contract is established.
[01:58:30.940 --> 01:58:32.260]  You have to be very specific.
[01:58:32.260 --> 01:58:36.020]  All right, we've only got 10 seconds left, so we're going to have to end it there.
[01:58:36.020 --> 01:58:41.780]  Folks, tune in tomorrow night for our four hour info marathon on the rule of law.
[01:58:41.780 --> 01:58:44.660]  This is Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton.
[01:58:44.660 --> 01:58:45.940]  We'll talk to you all tomorrow night.
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