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[00:16.760 --> 00:23.760]  June 12, 2013. Gold opened today at $1,374, silver at $21.59, and bitcoin is trading at
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[00:43.400 --> 00:48.840]  And now the news. On Tuesday, a coalition of 86 groups sent an open letter to lawmakers
[00:48.840 --> 00:53.360]  demanding a congressional investigatory committee be created in the wake of the NSA spying
[00:53.360 --> 00:58.240]  scandal. At the same time, a global petition calling on Congress to account for the domestic
[00:58.240 --> 01:04.140]  spying and to end illegal surveillance was launched at stopwatching.us. This comes as
[01:04.140 --> 01:07.920]  eight senators introduced legislation on Tuesday that would require the Attorney General to
[01:07.920 --> 01:13.440]  declassify significant opinions made by courts operating under the secretive Foreign Intelligence
[01:13.440 --> 01:17.360]  Surveillance Act. If the bill were adopted, the government would be required to reveal
[01:17.360 --> 01:24.360]  the kinds of National Security Agency surveillance activities that came to light last week.
[01:27.440 --> 01:30.860]  Also on Tuesday, a jury reached a verdict siding with the City of Austin in the civil
[01:30.860 --> 01:35.720]  trial against Officer Nathan Wagner, who shot and killed 20-year-old Byron Carter on May
[01:35.720 --> 01:41.160]  30, 2011. Wagner shot at and killed Carter after Carter and his friend attempted to drive
[01:41.160 --> 01:45.940]  away in their car as two unannounced armed men, Officer Wagner and Rodriguez, approached
[01:45.940 --> 01:50.800]  their car. Neither of the young men were armed or suspected of any crime. After Wagner was
[01:50.800 --> 01:55.600]  cleared of any wrongdoing by Austin Police s internal affairs, the family of Carter filed
[01:55.600 --> 02:00.340]  a civil suit claiming Byron s constitutional rights were violated and being killed by Wagner.
[02:00.340 --> 02:04.080]  After five hours of deliberation, the jury decided that his rights were not violated
[02:04.080 --> 02:08.120]  and being killed by Wagner as they concluded the officers were only looking out for their
[02:08.120 --> 02:12.720]  own safety. In the wake of the verdict, the Wagner family was visibly distraught and many
[02:12.720 --> 02:16.760]  in the community were enraged by the jury s decision. Recognizing the failure of the
[02:16.760 --> 02:21.080]  state justice system and the local Monopoly Police Department, Byron Carter s grandmother
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[03:27.320 --> 03:33.960]  Bad Boys Bad Boys Whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when they come for you Bad Boys Bad
[03:33.960 --> 03:40.000]  Boys Whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when they come for you When you were eight and
[03:40.000 --> 03:45.800]  you had bad trades You go to school and learn the golden rule So why are you acting like
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[03:49.320 --> 03:54.960]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:54.960 --> 04:00.660]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
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[04:03.280 --> 04:06.120]  The chalk is on your mother And the chalk is on your father
[04:06.120 --> 04:08.900]  The chalk is on your brother And the chalk is on your sister
[04:08.900 --> 04:11.320]  The chalk is on that one And the chalk is on me
[04:11.320 --> 04:16.680]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:16.680 --> 04:31.200]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio on this Thursday, July the
[04:31.200 --> 04:35.680]  13th, halfway through the year already.
[04:35.680 --> 04:42.860]  And last week when we went out, we were talking about gun control.
[04:42.860 --> 04:46.920]  I'm in Austin at the moment, I was driving down and listening to the radio and there
[04:46.920 --> 04:58.160]  was a program on the public radio station where they were talking to some senators.
[04:58.160 --> 05:03.580]  And apparently these guys are pretty upset.
[05:03.580 --> 05:11.240]  They have been pushing to get really an invasive gun control in the past.
[05:11.240 --> 05:17.200]  And they put them before the Congress and just got slammed big time.
[05:17.200 --> 05:26.720]  And these guys were absolutely, I don't know what the term would be, these guys were really
[05:26.720 --> 05:39.740]  outraged at a number of Democratic senators, one from Alaska and three or four names specifically,
[05:39.740 --> 05:44.580]  but they were just outraged that they voted against these measures.
[05:44.580 --> 05:55.740]  And they mainly, the person they had on was just lying through his teeth.
[05:55.740 --> 06:06.620]  He said that they got voted down handily, but that 90% of the public agreed with him.
[06:06.620 --> 06:15.360]  And the reason these senators voted against the measures is because they got so much input
[06:15.360 --> 06:21.520]  from their constituents that they listened to the constituents instead of the money.
[06:21.520 --> 06:33.640]  And Mayor Bloomberg was talking to the stock market people who tend to donate heavily to
[06:33.640 --> 06:41.440]  campaigns and twisting their arms to get them not to provide funds for these senators so
[06:41.440 --> 06:43.020]  that they could get them voted out.
[06:43.020 --> 06:55.600]  I thought this was the most outrageous incident or evidence in how much contempt they hold
[06:55.600 --> 07:06.360]  the voter, that somehow this was just a conspiracy on the part of these senators to deny these
[07:06.360 --> 07:13.840]  poor babies their control of our lives and our guns.
[07:13.840 --> 07:18.960]  And they did this just to hurt these folks, not because they had good reason.
[07:18.960 --> 07:26.400]  And I think the thing that bothered me the most about it was they kept calling this the
[07:26.400 --> 07:35.020]  common sense requirements to stem all of this gun violence.
[07:35.020 --> 07:40.320]  And I thought, are you out of your minds?
[07:40.320 --> 07:45.720]  Whatever it is, it is not in any way common sense.
[07:45.720 --> 07:49.600]  It is absolutely completely uncommon.
[07:49.600 --> 07:53.760]  There's nothing common about it.
[07:53.760 --> 08:01.840]  And the only common sense approach is to understand that human beings are human beings.
[08:01.840 --> 08:04.800]  Human beings have problems.
[08:04.800 --> 08:07.600]  Human beings hurt one another.
[08:07.600 --> 08:12.000]  Human beings have always hurt one another.
[08:12.000 --> 08:16.440]  And taking weapons away from human beings is not something we're going to be able to
[08:16.440 --> 08:17.440]  do.
[08:17.440 --> 08:28.520]  Oh, we can from probably 90% of the population, but that's the 90% who should have weapons
[08:28.520 --> 08:36.800]  in order to protect them against the other 6 to 10% who should never have weapons.
[08:36.800 --> 08:46.600]  And just like the struggle against prostitution and drugs, countries have been fighting against
[08:46.600 --> 08:51.400]  prostitution for 6,000 years.
[08:51.400 --> 08:54.480]  They never beat it, never even put a dent in it.
[08:54.480 --> 09:02.000]  The drugs, the war against drugs has only made the proliferation of drugs worse.
[09:02.000 --> 09:06.800]  There are things we cannot legislate away.
[09:06.800 --> 09:13.000]  And guns, if we take guns away from the public, the only ones who are going to have them obviously
[09:13.000 --> 09:16.040]  are the criminals.
[09:16.040 --> 09:24.320]  The only common sense way to fix this is put guns in the hands of everybody.
[09:24.320 --> 09:28.680]  These guys are looking for themselves a turkey shoot.
[09:28.680 --> 09:31.000]  The last thing they want is the turkeys to shoot back.
[09:31.000 --> 09:37.200]  I listened to this whole program and they had two people supposedly on two sides of
[09:37.200 --> 09:43.760]  this issue and both of them were on the side of gun control.
[09:43.760 --> 09:49.020]  One had one idea of how it should be done and another had another idea of how it should
[09:49.020 --> 09:54.760]  be done and that was the public debate they were having.
[09:54.760 --> 10:03.440]  And both of them feeding nothing but horse manure propaganda.
[10:03.440 --> 10:07.440]  I say, give everybody guns.
[10:07.440 --> 10:08.840]  Deb?
[10:08.840 --> 10:16.760]  Okay, thank you, she must be tied up.
[10:16.760 --> 10:17.760]  Yes, yes, Randy.
[10:17.760 --> 10:18.760]  What is your question?
[10:18.760 --> 10:22.920]  I'm sorry, my call screener is late and I'm having to screen calls and be on the air at
[10:22.920 --> 10:24.040]  the same time.
[10:24.040 --> 10:26.200]  So what is your question?
[10:26.200 --> 10:33.280]  I wanted to get your take on the position on the gun control.
[10:33.280 --> 10:40.720]  I don't tend to lean toward the conspiracy theory that the government is going to come
[10:40.720 --> 10:42.320]  and take all our guns tomorrow.
[10:42.320 --> 10:46.240]  I know they would like to, I don't see that happening.
[10:46.240 --> 10:51.680]  Well, I think they'd have a really hard time doing that.
[10:51.680 --> 10:58.880]  I think that they would try if they think they could get away with it.
[10:58.880 --> 11:04.200]  I think what's happening is that they are restricting our access to ammo.
[11:04.200 --> 11:09.860]  I think they figured out that people are not going to let go of their guns and so instead
[11:09.860 --> 11:15.200]  of turning this thing into a bloody mess by trying to go around and grab the guns door
[11:15.200 --> 11:20.320]  to door, which they still may try to do that and they have already done that in many situations.
[11:20.320 --> 11:23.440]  Look at what happened with Katrina in New Orleans.
[11:23.440 --> 11:29.840]  So they probably will do that in certain areas as litmus tests to see how well they can get
[11:29.840 --> 11:31.880]  away with it.
[11:31.880 --> 11:37.180]  Eventually some people are going to fight back and they know that and I mean starting
[11:37.180 --> 11:43.340]  a bloody mess, personally, I just don't think it's their style unless they want to do it
[11:43.340 --> 11:48.600]  for the purpose of purposefully instigating that sort of thing so that they can have an
[11:48.600 --> 11:54.960]  excuse to clamp down with martial law full force, which they very well may do that.
[11:54.960 --> 12:00.500]  But if they do start going door to door to grab guns, it's not because they really have
[12:00.500 --> 12:02.720]  the intent of grabbing all the guns.
[12:02.720 --> 12:06.720]  If they start going door to door grabbing the guns, it's for the intent of starting
[12:06.720 --> 12:11.060]  a civil war so that they can come down full force with full martial law.
[12:11.060 --> 12:17.400]  Now what it looks like they're doing right now is that they're just buying up all the
[12:17.400 --> 12:19.780]  ammo so that we don't have any.
[12:19.780 --> 12:23.080]  That's what it looks like they're doing right now, but I don't put it past them to go door
[12:23.080 --> 12:27.840]  to door grabbing guns for the purpose of instigating people to shoot back so they can clamp down
[12:27.840 --> 12:29.320]  with full force martial law.
[12:29.320 --> 12:31.880]  That's what I think.
[12:31.880 --> 12:41.240]  Well one thing, their real concern was the gun lobby and then listening to them rail
[12:41.240 --> 12:49.200]  against guns and the gun lobby and the American Rifle Association.
[12:49.200 --> 13:00.960]  They really seem to be desperate in trying to discredit the ARA.
[13:00.960 --> 13:06.460]  And now they're claiming now that they have a couple of other coalitions that may take
[13:06.460 --> 13:17.800]  away the ARA's monopoly on advertising and political pressure for the gun lobby.
[13:17.800 --> 13:25.720]  In listening to that and listening to it somewhat more objectively, I was really surprised at
[13:25.720 --> 13:34.820]  how much real political power the American Rifle Association has.
[13:34.820 --> 13:41.800]  And I fully suspect and I think they know that in spite of their efforts, the more they
[13:41.800 --> 13:50.440]  try to move against the guns, move toward gun control, the stronger the American Rifle
[13:50.440 --> 13:52.960]  Association gets.
[13:52.960 --> 14:00.720]  And I took this whole thing as a propaganda piece trying to nullify the effect of the
[14:00.720 --> 14:04.200]  American Rifle Association.
[14:04.200 --> 14:14.040]  And from the frantic nature of their arguments, I was really encouraged that if these guys
[14:14.040 --> 14:25.400]  would get on national radio and talk what was absolutely nonsense and just lie through
[14:25.400 --> 14:36.260]  their teeth, the guy actually said that 90 percent of the public agreed with him.
[14:36.260 --> 14:44.680]  Now that's in these days and times, even if you agree with them, that's going to be hard
[14:44.680 --> 14:46.880]  to swallow.
[14:46.880 --> 14:54.560]  To on the one hand say that there is so much support for the American Rifle Association
[14:54.560 --> 14:58.760]  that we can't get any of our measures passed.
[14:58.760 --> 15:07.560]  Even those simple measures of limiting the size of clips for automatic weapons.
[15:07.560 --> 15:13.880]  But yet 90 percent of the people are behind their efforts.
[15:13.880 --> 15:20.600]  That is so contradictory that I can't see anyone even who's on their side agreeing with
[15:20.600 --> 15:21.600]  that.
[15:21.600 --> 15:28.800]  That is a very good sign that tells me they are not going to get these guns removed.
[15:28.800 --> 15:35.480]  And the main reason these senators did not vote for it is because their constituents
[15:35.480 --> 15:41.440]  told them, you vote for that and we will vote you out.
[15:41.440 --> 15:48.000]  And they understood there are two kinds of power, money and votes.
[15:48.000 --> 15:55.720]  And in this case Mayor Bloomberg can pressure all these buddies in the stock market area,
[15:55.720 --> 16:02.960]  but that may not help him either because the stock market, the investors, just like the
[16:02.960 --> 16:09.160]  rest of the American public, will tend to be divided along the same lines that the American
[16:09.160 --> 16:12.040]  public is divided along.
[16:12.040 --> 16:21.000]  So I think this commentator and Bloomberg probably believe they have more power than
[16:21.000 --> 16:22.600]  they actually do.
[16:22.600 --> 16:27.520]  I would look forward to comments on this topic or any other.
[16:27.520 --> 16:36.040]  Our call-in lines are open, 512-646-1984, call-in lines are open, the phone lines are
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[16:37.040 --> 16:39.040]  They will be open all night tonight.
[16:39.040 --> 16:44.760]  I had a guest scheduled, but she crapped out on me the last day or so and I wasn't able
[16:44.760 --> 16:45.760]  to replace her.
[16:45.760 --> 16:48.240]  So we will be taking your questions all night.
[16:48.240 --> 16:49.960]  Jerry, California, I see you there.
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[19:01.040 --> 19:24.600]  now.
[19:24.600 --> 19:45.320]  And
[19:45.320 --> 19:50.320]  They may talk about the issues, but see, Lord, how they wanna wait and take it easy.
[19:50.320 --> 19:55.320]  They may talk way too politically and them getting mad and angry.
[19:55.320 --> 20:00.320]  But them not standing up and fighting, fight for their freedom and be free.
[20:00.320 --> 20:05.320]  And they let them love slavery and get hand out from the government.
[20:05.320 --> 20:10.320]  We are the Christians.
[20:10.320 --> 20:15.320]  And they don't have the answer.
[20:15.320 --> 20:20.320]  Don't be an expert Christian.
[20:20.320 --> 20:25.320]  And they don't have the answer.
[20:25.320 --> 20:29.320]  Okay, we are back. I'm Randy Kelper Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[20:29.320 --> 20:36.320]  And I know I'm talking about gun control, but I'm somebody who doesn't have any guns.
[20:36.320 --> 20:40.320]  I don't want any guns around me.
[20:40.320 --> 20:44.320]  And that's because I've spent too much time on the sharp end.
[20:44.320 --> 20:49.320]  But just from a good common sense perspective,
[20:49.320 --> 20:57.320]  I see that as the public all having access to weapons
[20:57.320 --> 21:09.320]  as being the check to the balance of tyranny that an overreaching government would try to press on the people.
[21:09.320 --> 21:14.320]  I see it as simply necessary
[21:14.320 --> 21:18.320]  without having a moral opinion about it.
[21:18.320 --> 21:23.320]  Just from an engineering type perspective,
[21:23.320 --> 21:27.320]  looking at what works and what doesn't work,
[21:27.320 --> 21:34.320]  the times I've spent in groups of people where everyone was armed,
[21:34.320 --> 21:40.320]  I always found that an armed society is a polite society.
[21:40.320 --> 21:45.320]  And in an armed society, no one tried to take advantage,
[21:45.320 --> 21:49.320]  at least grossly unfair advantage,
[21:49.320 --> 21:53.320]  unless they were ready to die really fast.
[21:53.320 --> 21:56.320]  Because that's what would tend to happen.
[21:56.320 --> 22:01.320]  Okay, we have Jerry from California.
[22:01.320 --> 22:05.320]  Let's see. Hello, Jerry. What do you have for us today?
[22:05.320 --> 22:10.320]  Oh, good evening, Randy. How are you doing? This is my third call.
[22:10.320 --> 22:14.320]  You caught me live at a police stop a few weeks back.
[22:14.320 --> 22:17.320]  Oh, yeah, I remember that.
[22:17.320 --> 22:20.320]  You did better than Julius.
[22:20.320 --> 22:29.320]  Julius called us from a college parking lot where the local security was accosting him,
[22:29.320 --> 22:33.320]  and we did everything that we could to get him beaten into unconsciousness.
[22:33.320 --> 22:38.320]  But he managed to get past that. He did okay. So you did too.
[22:38.320 --> 22:44.320]  Thank you. Well, the fun thing was about a week later, I got pulled over by another police department,
[22:44.320 --> 22:48.320]  and I did everything like Eddie trained me to do.
[22:48.320 --> 22:52.320]  And the officer made some bail threats and things like that.
[22:52.320 --> 22:57.320]  But long story short, he just gave me a ticket, and I was able to kind of go along my way.
[22:57.320 --> 23:02.320]  But I've been doing a lot of reading and a lot of homework since the last talking
[23:02.320 --> 23:05.320]  and kind of going through your archives.
[23:05.320 --> 23:08.320]  And you always mentioned that we're the sovereign.
[23:08.320 --> 23:12.320]  And I heard you talking just a moment ago about gun control.
[23:12.320 --> 23:16.320]  And I think what I'm going to mention to you today dovetails perfectly with that.
[23:16.320 --> 23:23.320]  If we're the sovereign, why are we looking to have the government regulate us?
[23:23.320 --> 23:28.320]  We should really put them on notice. I mean, we have a contract, which is the Constitution.
[23:28.320 --> 23:33.320]  The Constitution tells the government their relationship to the people,
[23:33.320 --> 23:39.320]  but it seems like our leaders and the officers of our government don't seem to get it.
[23:39.320 --> 23:47.320]  So I was listening to a guy on the internet, and he made a lot of really failing points.
[23:47.320 --> 23:53.320]  And the one point that he said is, first, you establish your position as an individual with that government,
[23:53.320 --> 23:58.320]  because if you don't first establish your position with them in writing,
[23:58.320 --> 24:03.320]  whatever happens to you, you're kind of like dead meat in the water.
[24:03.320 --> 24:12.320]  But my question to you is, how do you establish your sovereign position when you get pulled over
[24:12.320 --> 24:21.320]  without giving those agencies that do all of these regulatory actions prior notice?
[24:21.320 --> 24:25.320]  It's like, if the Constitution doesn't clue a man, how do you clue the men before it?
[24:25.320 --> 24:30.320]  And one of these guys is saying that you should give them fair notice that you're sovereign.
[24:30.320 --> 24:35.320]  And these regulatory issues will not be tolerated.
[24:35.320 --> 24:43.320]  And if they should be, should I encounter these officers, consider the government be known,
[24:43.320 --> 24:47.320]  that these are the charges that will be incurred for all of these infractions.
[24:47.320 --> 24:51.320]  And he gives a detailed list, and he actually associates a dollar charge to it.
[24:51.320 --> 25:06.320]  Okay. I've heard these kinds of positions, and I had someone call in once, and whoever it was obviously had an agenda.
[25:06.320 --> 25:16.320]  And he said, Mr. Kelton, how do you assert your sovereignty?
[25:16.320 --> 25:25.320]  I said, I act like one. You do not have to assert your sovereignty.
[25:25.320 --> 25:37.320]  You are sovereign. You do not have to explain to some low-level jackbooted thug what your position is.
[25:37.320 --> 25:56.320]  He is not going to understand, and all you're going to do in trying to deal with someone who neither has the capacity nor the interest to care is generate a confrontation that you really don't need.
[25:56.320 --> 26:03.320]  I suggest that we do not give police officers legal advice.
[26:03.320 --> 26:07.320]  Oh, no, no. That's not the point that I was trying to make.
[26:07.320 --> 26:13.320]  The point that I was trying to make is when you, like, for example, I'm preparing two letters.
[26:13.320 --> 26:19.320]  One is going to be to the state attorney general, and one is going to be to the federal U.S. attorney general.
[26:19.320 --> 26:28.320]  And basically it's my understanding that as long as I do no harm, I'm a free citizen of the United States of America.
[26:28.320 --> 26:35.320]  If that is not the correct understanding, please write me back and give me clarity.
[26:35.320 --> 26:39.320]  Okay, hold on, hold on. I'm going to suggest a somewhat different approach.
[26:39.320 --> 26:41.320]  Yes, sir.
[26:41.320 --> 26:59.320]  If you were the CEO of a corporation and as the CEO, you say you go into one of the, say you own a, you're the CEO of a corporation that has a chain of stores.
[26:59.320 --> 27:00.320]  Yeah.
[27:00.320 --> 27:12.320]  And you go into one of these stores and you are treated, they don't know who you are, and they treat you very badly.
[27:12.320 --> 27:14.320]  How do you handle that?
[27:14.320 --> 27:26.320]  Do you explain to your entry level employees who you are, what your authority is, what their duty is, and how they're to perform their duty?
[27:26.320 --> 27:31.320]  No proper CEO would ever do such a thing.
[27:31.320 --> 27:40.320]  What he will do is go to his vice president or president of the company and say, what in the heck is going on here?
[27:40.320 --> 27:45.320]  Can't you control your people?
[27:45.320 --> 27:51.320]  The employee gets it down from the top that they have done something really, really naughty.
[27:51.320 --> 27:54.320]  They don't get chewed out by the CEO.
[27:54.320 --> 27:57.320]  A CEO would never chewed him out.
[27:57.320 --> 27:59.320]  A policeman pulls me over.
[27:59.320 --> 28:04.320]  He's just a low level bottom rung flunky.
[28:04.320 --> 28:10.320]  I can tell him that his policy is illegal, but he don't care.
[28:10.320 --> 28:12.320]  He's going to do what his boss told him to do.
[28:12.320 --> 28:14.320]  He don't care what you think.
[28:14.320 --> 28:26.320]  All he's going to do if you give him this kind of argument is he's going to get himself all cranked up and escalate any situation that's there.
[28:26.320 --> 28:31.320]  I like Bushwack a whole lot better.
[28:31.320 --> 28:34.320]  Bushwack works so much better.
[28:34.320 --> 28:45.320]  For the last two encounters that I had with the police officers, it went very well because right off the bat I told him that I'm under no obligation to answer any question.
[28:45.320 --> 28:51.320]  Under what obligation or by what authority are you doing what you're doing?
[28:51.320 --> 28:56.320]  Then he would basically say, I'm enforcing these driving laws and blah, blah, blah.
[28:56.320 --> 29:08.320]  I said, okay, well understand that by all means I'm an adult and I guarantee you I will not resist you should you choose to do physical violence to me.
[29:08.320 --> 29:10.320]  I'm a man of peace.
[29:10.320 --> 29:20.320]  At this point you're free to do what your job entails you to do, but understand that we all have choices to make and choices have consequences.
[29:20.320 --> 29:30.320]  Should you choose to go beyond the scope of your duty, you will not be held liable.
[29:30.320 --> 29:34.320]  I agree with that approach.
[29:34.320 --> 29:36.320]  That is a great approach.
[29:36.320 --> 29:40.320]  It's a semi-non-confrontational approach.
[29:40.320 --> 29:50.320]  The part I disagree with or talk about when I get back, and that's the presumption that the officer is going to act inappropriately.
[29:50.320 --> 29:54.320]  If you presuppose it, you're likely to create it without realizing it or intending it.
[29:54.320 --> 30:01.320]  Hang on, we'll be right back on the other side.
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[30:49.320 --> 30:52.320]  Now researchers have found another distinctive quality.
[30:52.320 --> 30:57.320]  Drinking beet juice may help slow or prevent Alzheimer's disease and dementia.
[30:57.320 --> 31:02.320]  Doctors believe mental decline is caused by decreased blood flow to the brain as people age.
[31:02.320 --> 31:06.320]  Beet juice is high in nitrates that the body turns into nitrites.
[31:06.320 --> 31:12.320]  Those open up blood vessels and increase the flow of oxygen-rich blood into the part of the brain that handles cognition.
[31:12.320 --> 31:14.320]  But don't drink it straight.
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[31:19.320 --> 31:23.320]  Mix beet juice with other fruit and veggie juices and drink up.
[31:23.320 --> 31:37.320]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[31:37.320 --> 31:42.320]  This is Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that fell on the afternoon of September 11th.
[31:42.320 --> 31:44.320]  The government says that fire brought it down.
[31:44.320 --> 31:49.320]  However, 1,500 architects and engineers concluded it was a controlled demolition.
[31:49.320 --> 31:52.320]  Over 6,000 of my fellow service members have given their lives.
[31:52.320 --> 31:55.320]  But thousands of my fellow first responders are dying.
[31:55.320 --> 31:56.320]  I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
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[31:59.320 --> 32:00.320]  I'm an Air Force pilot.
[32:00.320 --> 32:01.320]  I'm a father who lost his son.
[32:01.320 --> 32:04.320]  We're Americans, and we deserve the truth.
[32:04.320 --> 32:07.320]  Go to RememberBuilding7.org today.
[32:07.320 --> 32:13.320]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy,
[32:13.320 --> 32:16.320]  and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
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[32:19.320 --> 32:20.320]  Brave New Books?
[32:20.320 --> 32:24.320]  Yes, Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like
[32:24.320 --> 32:27.320]  Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
[32:27.320 --> 32:31.320]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin soaps.
[32:31.320 --> 32:34.320]  There's no way a place like that exists.
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[32:35.320 --> 32:39.320]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[32:39.320 --> 32:43.320]  Oh, by UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[32:43.320 --> 32:49.320]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility,
[32:49.320 --> 32:51.320]  just behind the bookstore.
[32:51.320 --> 32:54.320]  It does exist, but when are they open?
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[33:38.320 --> 34:02.320]  Okay, we are back.
[34:02.320 --> 34:05.320]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio.
[34:05.320 --> 34:07.320]  Deborah has some comments on this.
[34:07.320 --> 34:14.320]  First, I wanted to talk about posture, and here all I'm talking about is posture.
[34:14.320 --> 34:17.320]  Deborah's going to talk about the commercial nexus.
[34:17.320 --> 34:25.320]  But when I get stopped by a police officer, the last time I got stopped, I did what you did, sort of.
[34:25.320 --> 34:36.320]  I asked the officer some questions that went directly to points of law, things that I would need to bring back later.
[34:36.320 --> 34:45.320]  Unlike Eddie, he doesn't propose any kind of interaction with the government, and Deborah's going to talk about that part.
[34:45.320 --> 34:52.320]  I entered into an agreement with the Department of Transportation, and I asked the officer,
[34:52.320 --> 34:58.320]  did you notice the DOT number on the back of my vehicle?
[34:58.320 --> 35:00.320]  He said, no, I didn't.
[35:00.320 --> 35:05.320]  Well, go notice it, and then run that number.
[35:05.320 --> 35:08.320]  He said, I don't do that.
[35:08.320 --> 35:09.320]  Well, start doing it.
[35:09.320 --> 35:11.320]  Go run the number.
[35:11.320 --> 35:14.320]  And he refused, and that's all I needed.
[35:14.320 --> 35:17.320]  And then he asked me if I had insurance.
[35:17.320 --> 35:22.320]  I said, you can check that with your own computer.
[35:22.320 --> 35:23.320]  Again, he said, I don't do that.
[35:23.320 --> 35:25.320]  I said, well, start doing it.
[35:25.320 --> 35:26.320]  Go check it.
[35:26.320 --> 35:28.320]  He said, I'm not going to check it.
[35:28.320 --> 35:30.320]  I'm not going to give you my insurance, and I'll write you a ticket.
[35:30.320 --> 35:31.320]  Oh, okay.
[35:31.320 --> 35:32.320]  Knock yourself out.
[35:32.320 --> 35:37.320]  And he wrote me a ticket for no insurance and for speeding.
[35:37.320 --> 35:43.320]  That's all the interaction I had with him, and I needed that so that I could establish
[35:43.320 --> 35:49.320]  in court that he had notice that I was a private operator, not in commerce.
[35:49.320 --> 35:54.320]  That's what that DOT number gives him official notice of.
[35:54.320 --> 36:01.320]  But beyond that, I didn't tell him what my rights are and what his duty was, and I especially
[36:01.320 --> 36:08.320]  did not imply that he was going to beat me up or pull his pistol and none of that stuff
[36:08.320 --> 36:11.320]  because he gave no indication.
[36:11.320 --> 36:19.320]  And if one begins to get a little excited, the first thing I do is ask them, why are
[36:19.320 --> 36:23.320]  you getting agitated?
[36:23.320 --> 36:27.320]  Agitated is like a magic word.
[36:27.320 --> 36:34.320]  Police are used to confrontation, and if they can get you into a confrontation, they can
[36:34.320 --> 36:37.320]  accuse you of being agitated.
[36:37.320 --> 36:45.320]  And if you appear to be agitated, that tends to authorize them to pull their billy club
[36:45.320 --> 36:50.000]  or their mace or their taser or their pistol and beat you into unconsciousness because
[36:50.000 --> 36:51.000]  you were agitated.
[36:51.000 --> 36:55.820]  So the first thing I do is accuse them of being agitated.
[36:55.820 --> 37:00.720]  And every time I've done that, they tend to recognize it.
[37:00.720 --> 37:05.440]  And I want to calm down this situation.
[37:05.440 --> 37:09.880]  I don't want this one getting out of hand because you're dealing with a police officer
[37:09.880 --> 37:14.240]  who will lie like a dog.
[37:14.240 --> 37:19.600]  He will because he knows he can because everyone will cover for him.
[37:19.600 --> 37:23.360]  So I have little to do with these guys as I can.
[37:23.360 --> 37:26.120]  The guy wrote me the ticket and I went away.
[37:26.120 --> 37:31.080]  A couple days later, I came down to his police department and dropped a couple criminal charges
[37:31.080 --> 37:39.600]  against him with his sergeant, gave him a couple of information requests and went away.
[37:39.600 --> 37:43.480]  Now I can't get them to bring me to court.
[37:43.480 --> 37:49.040]  They don't want to see me because I'm acting like a sovereign.
[37:49.040 --> 37:51.320]  I felt like the officer did something wrong.
[37:51.320 --> 37:53.800]  Last thing I'm going to do is tell the officer.
[37:53.800 --> 37:59.640]  If I catch somebody breaking into my house, stealing my stuff, and he's got a pistol and
[37:59.640 --> 38:04.720]  I don't, I'm going to stay back out of the way and gather as much information as I can.
[38:04.720 --> 38:10.360]  And once he's gone away, I'm going to call the police and get them to go beat him up.
[38:10.360 --> 38:15.640]  I was coming out of a store once and a guy was out there drunk and he's screaming at
[38:15.640 --> 38:18.600]  his girlfriend.
[38:18.600 --> 38:23.840]  I walked up to get to my car and they were next to my car, so I deliberately walked between
[38:23.840 --> 38:27.640]  him and the car and his girlfriend.
[38:27.640 --> 38:33.320]  And he hollered at me and I said, well, gee whiz, it looks like you want to fight.
[38:33.320 --> 38:35.520]  And he said, I'll fight you if you want to.
[38:35.520 --> 38:37.000]  I said, no, I don't want to.
[38:37.000 --> 38:38.560]  But I dialed 911.
[38:38.560 --> 38:40.680]  I got somebody here who want to fight with you.
[38:40.680 --> 38:43.480]  And the operator answered and I said, hello, my name is Randy Kelton.
[38:43.480 --> 38:45.120]  And I told him where I'm at.
[38:45.120 --> 38:46.120]  And I got this guy here.
[38:46.120 --> 38:49.320]  He looks pretty drunk and he wants to fight.
[38:49.320 --> 38:54.240]  Now, I don't want to fight with him, but I told him that you probably had somebody that
[38:54.240 --> 38:55.400]  would want to fight with him.
[38:55.400 --> 38:57.080]  And the dispatcher said, oh, you bet.
[38:57.080 --> 38:59.080]  We got a lot of guys that want to fight with him.
[38:59.080 --> 39:02.280]  He said, would you get somebody right there?
[39:02.280 --> 39:05.000]  Oh, well, thank you very much.
[39:05.000 --> 39:07.000]  And I told the guy, just wait right here.
[39:07.000 --> 39:10.360]  They got some guys coming and they're going to love to fight with you.
[39:10.360 --> 39:15.760]  In about 10 seconds, he was in his car and gone.
[39:15.760 --> 39:22.640]  I suggest you take that perspective with the police officer or whoever you're dealing with
[39:22.640 --> 39:29.280]  that's giving you a problem, a police officer, if you're at court, you're going to judge.
[39:29.280 --> 39:36.280]  If you're going to go after the judge, don't go after the judge with the judge.
[39:36.280 --> 39:42.000]  I went to the judge and asked him to take criminal charges against the police officer
[39:42.000 --> 39:44.400]  and he wouldn't do it.
[39:44.400 --> 39:47.640]  I did not give the judge legal advice.
[39:47.640 --> 39:52.360]  I'll leave that up to the district attorney to give the judge legal advice when I petition
[39:52.360 --> 39:56.320]  the district attorney to arrest the judge.
[39:56.320 --> 39:59.960]  That's how the judge is going to find out I'm not happy with him.
[39:59.960 --> 40:06.880]  The CEO doesn't get in altercations with his low level employees.
[40:06.880 --> 40:15.700]  He goes to the people who should be managing those employees and he invokes their duty
[40:15.700 --> 40:17.840]  and forces them to do it.
[40:17.840 --> 40:18.840]  Does that make sense?
[40:18.840 --> 40:22.840]  Let me, I'm sorry, I didn't have you unmuted.
[40:22.840 --> 40:23.840]  Okay.
[40:23.840 --> 40:24.840]  Does that make sense?
[40:24.840 --> 40:30.280]  Didn't you say back in the day though, earlier in previous programs, that you'd always want
[40:30.280 --> 40:34.600]  to use the court system as your last means of resolve?
[40:34.600 --> 40:35.600]  Oh no, no.
[40:35.600 --> 40:36.600]  Oh, okay.
[40:36.600 --> 40:40.120]  This is what the courts want you to do.
[40:40.120 --> 40:47.040]  They want you to use the courts as a remedy of last resort, not a remedy of first resort.
[40:47.040 --> 40:50.480]  And no, I don't go to the courts as a first resort.
[40:50.480 --> 40:53.260]  I followed the steps.
[40:53.260 --> 41:01.400]  This police officer wrote a citation against me when he had public notice that I was not
[41:01.400 --> 41:04.240]  operating in commerce.
[41:04.240 --> 41:07.840]  You see, if he pulls you over and you have a license plate on your vehicle, that's an
[41:07.840 --> 41:12.640]  indication that you have designed and set up this vehicle to operate in commerce.
[41:12.640 --> 41:14.520]  That's probably the cause.
[41:14.520 --> 41:19.600]  But mine had a DOT number and if he looked up the DOT number, the DOT number would tell
[41:19.600 --> 41:25.820]  him that I was registered with the Department of Transportation as a private operator, not
[41:25.820 --> 41:28.260]  in commerce.
[41:28.260 --> 41:32.140]  Now he has noticed that I am not in commerce.
[41:32.140 --> 41:38.480]  He actually purported to exercise an authority he did not have and in so doing denied me
[41:38.480 --> 41:42.040]  the full and free access to her and joined her to the right.
[41:42.040 --> 41:43.040]  Right.
[41:43.040 --> 41:47.800]  Hey man, I told the chief, he said, well, Mr. Kelton, you can't file these.
[41:47.800 --> 41:50.840]  Oh wow, killed a messenger here.
[41:50.840 --> 41:53.680]  Man, don't get upset at me.
[41:53.680 --> 41:54.680]  This is my job.
[41:54.680 --> 41:57.000]  I have reason to believe this officer committed a crime.
[41:57.000 --> 42:01.760]  It's my duty to report it and it's your duty to act on it.
[42:01.760 --> 42:07.040]  So what do you think happened to that officer when he got in that day?
[42:07.040 --> 42:08.040]  No.
[42:08.040 --> 42:09.040]  Okay.
[42:09.040 --> 42:10.040]  Yeah.
[42:10.040 --> 42:13.120]  The courts want you to use the court as a remedy of last resort.
[42:13.120 --> 42:21.760]  And that only goes to civil when you're, before you file a civil suit, you need to send the
[42:21.760 --> 42:27.200]  other side a tort letter notifying them that you have been harmed and instructing them
[42:27.200 --> 42:30.440]  to make you hold or be sued.
[42:30.440 --> 42:37.160]  That's the only administrative remedy you have to, to follow in order to go to the courts.
[42:37.160 --> 42:39.200]  So that's all that referred to.
[42:39.200 --> 42:41.960]  And no, I don't go to the courts as the first remedy.
[42:41.960 --> 42:47.920]  I go to those enforcement individuals who have oversight over the one I'm not happy
[42:47.920 --> 42:51.400]  with and ask them to go beat that guy up.
[42:51.400 --> 42:52.960]  I don't do it.
[42:52.960 --> 42:54.960]  It's a lot more effective.
[42:54.960 --> 43:00.680]  People make that prior agreement with the DOT by paperwork interaction, you were writing
[43:00.680 --> 43:02.920]  letters to the DOT, is that correct?
[43:02.920 --> 43:03.920]  No.
[43:03.920 --> 43:10.360]  I went on their website and filled out their application so that I could be registered
[43:10.360 --> 43:12.160]  as a private operator.
[43:12.160 --> 43:15.400]  And now I'm under contract with them.
[43:15.400 --> 43:23.440]  And my contract is for them to show evidence that I don't operate in contract.
[43:23.440 --> 43:26.880]  And that's the, don't operate in commerce.
[43:26.880 --> 43:28.400]  And that's the extent of our contract.
[43:28.400 --> 43:33.320]  Now, Deborah, as soon as we come back from break, it's going to talk about the commercial
[43:33.320 --> 43:34.320]  nexus.
[43:34.320 --> 43:36.920]  It's really important to understand this.
[43:36.920 --> 43:46.040]  It's a bit tough to get your head wrapped around, but once you do, everything changes.
[43:46.040 --> 43:47.040]  Hang on, Jerry.
[43:47.040 --> 43:48.040]  We'll be right back.
[43:48.040 --> 43:55.080]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio are calling number 512-646-1984.
[43:55.080 --> 44:03.480]  We'll be right back.
[44:03.480 --> 44:08.880]  Mr. President, members of Congress, you've been making a lot of noise about taking our
[44:08.880 --> 44:13.280]  guns away, but you might want to review history.
[44:13.280 --> 44:16.920]  1835, Gonzales, Texas territory.
[44:16.920 --> 44:21.800]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[44:21.800 --> 44:24.040]  You know what the people said?
[44:24.040 --> 44:31.360]  Come and take it because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:31.360 --> 44:32.360]  So are we.
[44:32.360 --> 44:33.360]  Come and take it if you want it.
[44:33.360 --> 44:34.360]  Come and take it if you think you can.
[44:34.360 --> 44:44.840]  Come and take it, but I warn you, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
[44:44.840 --> 44:51.280]  We want the freedom that God gave us, so you best not cross that line.
[44:51.280 --> 44:58.760]  If you want this gun, you got to come through us and take it one shot at a time.
[44:58.760 --> 44:59.760]  Just like Gonzales.
[44:59.760 --> 45:02.920]  We're keeping our guns.
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[46:11.920 --> 46:28.240]  If you did not have any problems, where are you going to look for one?
[46:28.240 --> 46:57.240]  Okay, we are back.
[46:57.240 --> 47:07.160]  We're talking to Jerry in California, and Jerry, Debra wants to address the commercial
[47:07.160 --> 47:08.160]  nexus.
[47:08.160 --> 47:14.080]  Now, this one might get your head spinning because it is a little difficult to get your
[47:14.080 --> 47:18.320]  head wrapped around because it's a different paradigm shift.
[47:18.320 --> 47:19.880]  It's a serious paradigm shift.
[47:19.880 --> 47:22.000]  Debra, do you want to?
[47:22.000 --> 47:23.000]  Sure.
[47:23.000 --> 47:24.000]  Thanks, Randy.
[47:24.000 --> 47:31.120]  There was several things I wanted to respond to that you had said, Jerry, concerning the
[47:31.120 --> 47:34.440]  gun issue and the traffic tickets.
[47:34.440 --> 47:39.160]  You're talking about writing letters to, I don't know, maybe the Secretary of State or
[47:39.160 --> 47:41.240]  something, asking him this and that.
[47:41.240 --> 47:48.960]  I just wanted to put this out here because you may not have heard much of Harmon Taylor
[47:48.960 --> 47:54.620]  when he's been on the show, but he's been very helpful and he knows what he's talking
[47:54.620 --> 47:55.620]  about.
[47:55.620 --> 47:57.700]  He is a former attorney.
[47:57.700 --> 48:03.720]  He was very successful as an attorney and he turned in his bar card because he didn't
[48:03.720 --> 48:06.040]  want to be part of the system anymore.
[48:06.040 --> 48:13.000]  Now, he has case law from a case in which he was the attorney that represented certain
[48:13.000 --> 48:16.660]  parties involved the Oklahoma City bombing.
[48:16.660 --> 48:24.640]  He represented some of the survivors of the bombing and they wanted to sue the federal
[48:24.640 --> 48:25.640]  government.
[48:25.640 --> 48:34.760]  They wanted a stay of execution for Timothy McVeigh because they wanted to depose McVeigh
[48:34.760 --> 48:40.400]  and they wanted to put him through medical testing to find out if it was indeed true
[48:40.400 --> 48:48.440]  that he was a military undercover black ops military man and that he was basically operating
[48:48.440 --> 48:51.800]  as an undercover and being controlled.
[48:51.800 --> 48:56.600]  And there were many other things that were problematic with this whole McVeigh trial
[48:56.600 --> 48:59.280]  and what all was involved.
[48:59.280 --> 49:03.380]  Number one, the federal, and just bear with me here because I need to give a little bit
[49:03.380 --> 49:10.000]  of background so that you'll understand just the magnitude of the gravity here of what
[49:10.000 --> 49:16.040]  I'm about to say about commercial nexus and the government, all right?
[49:16.040 --> 49:22.920]  They sued, Harmon represented two, actually there were several victims that he represented,
[49:22.920 --> 49:25.140]  Jane Graham, VZ Lawton, and there were some others.
[49:25.140 --> 49:26.140]  They were survivors.
[49:26.140 --> 49:28.340]  They were in the building, okay?
[49:28.340 --> 49:29.500]  They know what happened.
[49:29.500 --> 49:33.000]  There were many bombs going off before whatever happened outside.
[49:33.000 --> 49:35.840]  There was no truck bomb, all kinds of things.
[49:35.840 --> 49:42.880]  Well, at any rate, the so-called federal building wasn't actually a federal building like we
[49:42.880 --> 49:44.820]  may think, all right?
[49:44.820 --> 49:46.660]  It was actually state property.
[49:46.660 --> 49:51.880]  It was owned by the state of Oklahoma and the federal government was basically a tenant,
[49:51.880 --> 49:52.880]  all right?
[49:52.880 --> 49:54.180]  They were renting it.
[49:54.180 --> 50:01.920]  And so the federal government had no jurisdiction under constitution at all under the federal
[50:01.920 --> 50:02.920]  constitution.
[50:02.920 --> 50:10.880]  They had zero jurisdiction to do anything, to prosecute, to make arrests.
[50:10.880 --> 50:14.060]  The FBI shouldn't have been involved, nothing.
[50:14.060 --> 50:20.160]  And the reason for that is because the federal government only has jurisdiction, governmental
[50:20.160 --> 50:27.880]  jurisdiction on areas that are not just, land that is not just owned by the federal government,
[50:27.880 --> 50:34.120]  but it has to be ceded, and that's with a C, C-E-D-E-D, ceded to the federal government
[50:34.120 --> 50:35.480]  by the state.
[50:35.480 --> 50:41.480]  And that means the state legislatures have to pass a law ceding a certain piece of land.
[50:41.480 --> 50:44.760]  The governor has to sign it, et cetera, et cetera.
[50:44.760 --> 50:50.840]  I know someone who was in the military here in Texas, the Bergstrom here, which is now
[50:50.840 --> 50:59.160]  the municipal airport, used to be a military base, an air force base, but that wasn't,
[50:59.160 --> 51:03.320]  the federal government didn't have jurisdiction over that land.
[51:03.320 --> 51:08.640]  It was owned by the city, I mean, I'm sorry, it was owned by Travis County, it was owned
[51:08.640 --> 51:09.640]  by the state.
[51:09.640 --> 51:14.500]  And so whenever there was any kind of altercation, the military police couldn't even do anything.
[51:14.500 --> 51:16.760]  They had to send in the sheriff, all right?
[51:16.760 --> 51:22.320]  Now the post offices, things like that in general, they don't, there's no federal jurisdiction
[51:22.320 --> 51:23.320]  there.
[51:23.320 --> 51:25.400]  Most of the federal government's renting those buildings, all right?
[51:25.400 --> 51:29.720]  I looked up all the properties in Texas that actually have federal jurisdiction and there's
[51:29.720 --> 51:31.600]  only a dozen or so.
[51:31.600 --> 51:35.680]  There are a few military bases, but most of them are federal prisons.
[51:35.680 --> 51:39.480]  Okay, so I just want to lay this background here about the jurisdiction.
[51:39.480 --> 51:44.200]  So Harmon brings in this argument, citing constitution saying, look, this should have
[51:44.200 --> 51:46.160]  been a state murder case.
[51:46.160 --> 51:50.100]  You guys didn't have any jurisdiction at all for one thing.
[51:50.100 --> 51:56.160]  Number two, you come in and under the constitution it says if you're going to do any prosecutions
[51:56.160 --> 52:01.980]  or take any cases in the court, in a federal court, you have to stay in the district where
[52:01.980 --> 52:03.720]  the event occurred.
[52:03.720 --> 52:08.000]  Well they not only moved it out of district, they moved the case out of state to Colorado.
[52:08.000 --> 52:15.280]  Okay, well the reason they did that was because everybody, not only in Oklahoma City, but
[52:15.280 --> 52:19.400]  the whole state of Oklahoma pretty much knew what had happened, that the government had
[52:19.400 --> 52:22.840]  pulled it off, mainly the ATF and the FBI.
[52:22.840 --> 52:30.140]  Okay, there was one media outlet, K4, that was reporting the truth and eventually they
[52:30.140 --> 52:34.240]  got bought out by the New York Times and everyone who was reporting the truth got fired.
[52:34.240 --> 52:41.060]  All right, so he brings in all these arguments and says, look, you guys are out of luck under
[52:41.060 --> 52:42.200]  the constitution.
[52:42.200 --> 52:43.920]  This was state property.
[52:43.920 --> 52:44.920]  You had no jurisdiction.
[52:44.920 --> 52:47.880]  Furthermore, you moved it out of state, on and on and on.
[52:47.880 --> 52:49.200]  You have no case.
[52:49.200 --> 52:50.480]  We want a stay of execution.
[52:50.480 --> 52:52.720]  We want to depose McVeigh, et cetera, et cetera.
[52:52.720 --> 52:57.940]  Well the court ruled against them, and so the trial court.
[52:57.940 --> 53:04.600]  So they appealed to the appellate court, which was I believe 7th Circuit.
[53:04.600 --> 53:07.880]  And here's what the court of appeals said.
[53:07.880 --> 53:13.960]  The federal court of appeals said in this case, you can look it up, Graham v. Lapin.
[53:13.960 --> 53:17.720]  This was a case where Harman represented, and this was a case where Harman calls it
[53:17.720 --> 53:19.980]  the padded two by four.
[53:19.980 --> 53:23.200]  And I think he's maybe being a little nice saying that there was actually some padding
[53:23.200 --> 53:24.200]  on it.
[53:24.200 --> 53:32.680]  Basically what the 7th Circuit told Harman and his clients was that, you know what, the
[53:32.680 --> 53:39.040]  constitution doesn't matter because everything is by commercial agreement and we're not under
[53:39.040 --> 53:40.540]  the constitution anymore.
[53:40.540 --> 53:43.140]  The constitution is the supreme law of the land.
[53:43.140 --> 53:44.140]  But guess what?
[53:44.140 --> 53:45.640]  We're not under law of the land anymore.
[53:45.640 --> 53:47.680]  We are under maritime law.
[53:47.680 --> 53:51.880]  And they cited Title 18 Section 7.
[53:51.880 --> 53:54.280]  And I'm going to read it to you here.
[53:54.280 --> 54:02.520]  This is a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States defined.
[54:02.520 --> 54:04.400]  And there's several paragraphs here.
[54:04.400 --> 54:13.480]  And I believe the one that, yes, it's paragraph 3 was the applicable paragraph.
[54:13.480 --> 54:19.580]  It says that there is special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
[54:19.580 --> 54:25.400]  paragraph 3, any lands reserved or acquired for the use of the United States and under
[54:25.400 --> 54:32.240]  the exclusive or concurrent jurisdiction thereof, or any place purchased or otherwise acquired
[54:32.240 --> 54:38.280]  by the United States by consent of the legislature of the state in which the name shall be for
[54:38.280 --> 54:44.280]  the erection of a Ford magazine, arsenal, dockyard, or other needful building.
[54:44.280 --> 54:45.280]  Okay.
[54:45.280 --> 54:48.980]  So basically this was a needful building, all right?
[54:48.980 --> 54:54.760]  And so the federal, the court system, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals told Harman and
[54:54.760 --> 54:57.720]  everyone else, constitution doesn't matter.
[54:57.720 --> 54:59.160]  We have maritime jurisdiction.
[54:59.160 --> 55:06.520]  We have special maritime territorial jurisdiction because basically we have reserved this building
[55:06.520 --> 55:09.720]  for our use.
[55:09.720 --> 55:17.120]  And so, well, wait a minute, how can this be when it seems that this statute is in complete
[55:17.120 --> 55:18.960]  and direct violation of the constitution?
[55:18.960 --> 55:23.080]  Well, the answer is the constitution doesn't matter.
[55:23.080 --> 55:25.720]  There is no constitution anymore.
[55:25.720 --> 55:32.400]  Everything is by commercial agreement now that we are in the funny money system.
[55:32.400 --> 55:33.880]  Everything is by statute.
[55:33.880 --> 55:35.440]  Everything is by commercial agreement.
[55:35.440 --> 55:38.160]  There's no such thing as an unconstitutional law.
[55:38.160 --> 55:47.240]  They could pass whatever laws they want, but it matters not to us unless we agree to it.
[55:47.240 --> 55:51.980]  Now, if we were under constitution, that would sound like, that would, that what I just said
[55:51.980 --> 55:53.800]  would be sedition, okay?
[55:53.800 --> 55:58.200]  But how, oh, the laws don't apply to me unless I, unless I agree to it.
[55:58.200 --> 56:00.480]  Well, we're not under law of the land anymore.
[56:00.480 --> 56:01.480]  Okay.
[56:01.480 --> 56:02.480]  This is maritime law.
[56:02.480 --> 56:05.320]  Everything's by, by a commercial agreement.
[56:05.320 --> 56:06.960]  Everything's by statute.
[56:06.960 --> 56:13.640]  And the only, the only statutes, the only law that applies to us, whether we like it
[56:13.640 --> 56:17.640]  or not, has to do with common law crimes.
[56:17.640 --> 56:18.640]  Okay.
[56:18.640 --> 56:28.640]  Murder, assault, robbery, rape, pillage, plunder, that sort of thing, theft, okay, malicious
[56:28.640 --> 56:33.760]  theft or malicious damage of someone else's property.
[56:33.760 --> 56:34.760]  Okay.
[56:34.760 --> 56:35.760]  This sort of thing.
[56:35.760 --> 56:43.120]  Common law crimes, all right, everything else is by commercial agreement.
[56:43.120 --> 56:46.360]  And so the question is, did you agree to it or not?
[56:46.360 --> 56:50.080]  The law only applies to you, the statutes and the statutes themselves only apply to
[56:50.080 --> 56:54.040]  you if you have agreed to be regulated by them.
[56:54.040 --> 56:57.080]  So let's just get that clear right off the bat.
[56:57.080 --> 57:03.760]  And so the question is not, are we sovereigns or sovereign citizens or how to let them know
[57:03.760 --> 57:06.280]  that, or write them letters and show me otherwise.
[57:06.280 --> 57:07.280]  Okay.
[57:07.280 --> 57:09.880]  Number one, you don't want to write these guys any letters at all unless it's a tort
[57:09.880 --> 57:16.680]  letter, because the minute you ask them for anything, you've just opted into their commercial
[57:16.680 --> 57:17.680]  nexus.
[57:17.680 --> 57:18.680]  All right.
[57:18.680 --> 57:21.520]  So, and also we have to dispel this myth about sovereign citizen.
[57:21.520 --> 57:23.120]  There's no such thing as a sovereign citizen.
[57:23.120 --> 57:24.120]  Okay.
[57:24.120 --> 57:26.080]  You're either a sovereign or you're a citizen.
[57:26.080 --> 57:28.600]  Number one, that is one line of thought.
[57:28.600 --> 57:35.200]  Harmon Taylor says there's no way that we as individual human beings can be sovereign
[57:35.200 --> 57:40.560]  at all, period, because the real, when you get into the real legal definitions of the
[57:40.560 --> 57:45.560]  word sovereign, that word only applies to a state, okay.
[57:45.560 --> 57:53.360]  A government, a nation, an entity with the ability to pass law that is binding upon its
[57:53.360 --> 57:54.360]  citizenry.
[57:54.360 --> 57:55.360]  Okay.
[57:55.360 --> 57:57.440]  So I don't even like to say I'm sovereign.
[57:57.440 --> 58:02.440]  And that's one reason why the bad guys get all bent out of shape about people that call
[58:02.440 --> 58:08.840]  themselves sovereigns, because what the legal connotation really is, I say, I'm a free human
[58:08.840 --> 58:09.840]  being.
[58:09.840 --> 58:10.840]  All right.
[58:10.840 --> 58:14.560]  I don't, I don't call myself a sovereign, but at the least don't ever call yourself
[58:14.560 --> 58:17.840]  a sovereign citizen because that's an oxymoron.
[58:17.840 --> 58:18.840]  Okay.
[58:18.840 --> 58:21.480]  That's, that's like saying I'm black and white at the same time.
[58:21.480 --> 58:22.480]  It don't work that way.
[58:22.480 --> 58:26.120]  That's like saying, you know, it's, it's a contradictory, those are two contradictory
[58:26.120 --> 58:28.320]  terms, sovereign and citizen.
[58:28.320 --> 58:35.240]  But at any rate, we can let Harmon talk some more on the air about why we as human beings
[58:35.240 --> 58:36.240]  cannot be sovereign.
[58:36.240 --> 58:40.880]  But like I said, mainly it has to go with the ability for a government to pass laws
[58:40.880 --> 58:43.040]  and we can't do that as individual humans.
[58:43.040 --> 58:47.220]  I'm going to get more into this regarding the transportation code and the gun control
[58:47.220 --> 58:48.220]  issue on the other side.
[58:48.220 --> 58:51.000]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:50.000]  On Tuesday, a coalition of 86 groups sent an open letter to lawmakers demanding a congressional
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[01:01:03.640 --> 01:01:07.440]  This comes as eight senators introduced legislation on Tuesday that would require the Attorney
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[01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:18.320]  If the bill were adopted, the government would be required to reveal the kinds of National
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[01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.880]  Also on Tuesday, a jury reached a verdict siding with the city of Austin in the civil
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[01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.440]  30, 2011.
[01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:41.540]  Wagner shot at and killed Carter after Carter and his friend attempted to drive away in
[01:01:41.540 --> 01:01:47.000]  their car as two unannounced armed men, Officer Wagner and Rodriguez, approached their car.
[01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.360]  Neither of the young men were armed or suspected of any crime.
[01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:54.800]  After Wagner was cleared of any wrongdoing by Austin Police s internal affairs, the family
[01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.880]  of Carter filed a civil suit claiming Byron s constitutional rights were violated in being
[01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.360]  killed by Wagner.
[01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:04.120]  After five hours of deliberation, the jury decided that his rights were not violated
[01:02:04.120 --> 01:02:08.120]  in being killed by Wagner as they concluded the officers were only looking out for their
[01:02:08.120 --> 01:02:09.120]  own safety.
[01:02:09.120 --> 01:02:13.160]  In the wake of the verdict, the Wagner family was visibly distraught and many in the community
[01:02:13.160 --> 01:02:15.480]  were enraged by the jury s decision.
[01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.920]  Recognizing the failure of the state justice system and the local Monopoly Police Department,
[01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:25.760]  Byron Carter s grandmother had this to say I have no faith in this system, in our government.
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[01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.360]  Okay folks, I'm sorry for the extended break.
[01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.080]  We're having some technical difficulties with Randy.
[01:05:19.080 --> 01:05:22.800]  We're trying to get him back up online as we speak.
[01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:30.160]  But I'm going to continue discussing this commercial nexus issue and what happened in
[01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:36.840]  Harmon Taylor's case with Graham v. Lappin and then I'm going to apply that to the situation
[01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:45.680]  at hand, the topic and discussion at hand concerning the transportation issue and concerning
[01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:47.640]  the gun control issue.
[01:05:47.640 --> 01:05:52.320]  Hold on one second.
[01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:59.560]  Okay so at any rate, Title 18, Section 7, I'll read it one more time so folks can get
[01:05:59.560 --> 01:06:00.560]  that.
[01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:08.280]  It says, basically the Seventh Circuit told Harmon and his clients that all their constitutional
[01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:14.640]  arguments matter not because the Constitution doesn't matter because we are under special
[01:06:14.640 --> 01:06:20.680]  maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, they said, regarding this particular
[01:06:20.680 --> 01:06:28.160]  situation because it has to do with the building that the United States was using, okay?
[01:06:28.160 --> 01:06:37.600]  And it says here, paragraph 3, Section 18, I'm sorry, Title 18, Section 7, any lands
[01:06:37.600 --> 01:06:45.160]  reserved or acquired for the use of the United States and under the exclusive or concurrent
[01:06:45.160 --> 01:06:51.200]  jurisdiction thereof or any place purchased or otherwise acquired by the United States
[01:06:51.200 --> 01:06:55.780]  by consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be for erection of
[01:06:55.780 --> 01:06:59.960]  a foreign magazine, arsenal, dockyard or other needful building.
[01:06:59.960 --> 01:07:08.120]  Okay so this was a building that was acquired from the state of Oklahoma with the legislative
[01:07:08.120 --> 01:07:09.300]  consent.
[01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:15.920]  It was a needful building and it says here, right here under Title 18, that the federal
[01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:22.640]  government has special maritime territorial jurisdiction in this matter.
[01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:25.240]  The Constitution does not matter.
[01:07:25.240 --> 01:07:30.280]  All this stuff about it being state land and that it should have been a state murder case
[01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:37.500]  and how dare we move the trial out of Oklahoma to Colorado, none of that matters.
[01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:43.920]  We get to do whatever we want because we have special territorial maritime jurisdiction.
[01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:50.360]  Well that would seem to conflict with what the Constitution says.
[01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:58.360]  So the question, I begged the question of Harmon, I said, so Harmon, did you file a
[01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:04.200]  petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court to challenge this ruling?
[01:08:04.200 --> 01:08:06.520]  And he said, no, he didn't take it to the Supreme Court.
[01:08:06.520 --> 01:08:09.040]  And I said, why not?
[01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:13.800]  This statute is obviously unconstitutional.
[01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:19.320]  And he says there was no reason to take it to the Supreme Court because he knew he would
[01:08:19.320 --> 01:08:21.220]  have lost.
[01:08:21.220 --> 01:08:23.480]  They basically told him the answer.
[01:08:23.480 --> 01:08:25.400]  The Constitution doesn't matter.
[01:08:25.400 --> 01:08:29.100]  We're under maritime law, period.
[01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:32.800]  Everything is by commercial agreement that I believe they even use the term commercial
[01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:33.800]  agreement in the case.
[01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.060]  I'll have to go and read it again.
[01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:40.400]  And so he said, what's the point in saying the statute's unconstitutional?
[01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:42.880]  They just told us the Constitution doesn't matter.
[01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.500]  We're under the funny money system.
[01:08:44.500 --> 01:08:45.960]  Everything's by commercial agreement.
[01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:50.320]  Okay, so that totally changed Harmon's life.
[01:08:50.320 --> 01:08:56.800]  He was always a staunch constitutionalist before that.
[01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.240]  And he said this just completely changed his life.
[01:09:00.240 --> 01:09:07.760]  It turned his whole career on its ear because he realized there was no point in filing a
[01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:13.380]  petition for certiorari to the Supreme Court because they had already told him the Constitution
[01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:14.380]  doesn't matter.
[01:09:14.380 --> 01:09:20.960]  Even though it would appear on its face that this statute, Title 18, Section 7, is unconstitutional.
[01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:25.880]  The Seventh Circuit had already told him it's not unconstitutional because the Constitution
[01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:26.880]  doesn't matter.
[01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.480]  We get to do whatever we want because we're in funny money, we're in maritime law.
[01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:31.480]  So there you have it.
[01:09:31.480 --> 01:09:34.200]  This is not legal theory, okay?
[01:09:34.200 --> 01:09:35.880]  This is not legal myth.
[01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.400]  This is not legal conspiracy theory.
[01:09:39.400 --> 01:09:49.200]  And the name of that case, again, is Graham v. Lapin, G-R-A-H-A-M-V Lapin, L-A-P-P-I-N.
[01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:56.640]  So you can, if you have a membership to PACER, which is the Federal Government Public Records
[01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.960]  System, you can go look up the case, all right?
[01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:01.460]  And Jane Graham, V. Z.
[01:10:01.460 --> 01:10:03.360]  Lawton, some of the other survivors of the bombing.
[01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:07.240]  All right, so again, this is not legal conspiracy theory.
[01:10:07.240 --> 01:10:08.720]  This is not legal myth.
[01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:09.840]  This is the way it is.
[01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:16.600]  If it's not a common law crime, all right, directly affecting you, then basically everything
[01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:20.760]  is by commercial agreement, period.
[01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:30.160]  Whether it has to do with guns, whether it has to do with transportation, okay, travel.
[01:10:30.160 --> 01:10:35.680]  So now I'm going to, and I'm sorry if I repeated some of what I said, but Randy finally came
[01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:40.480]  back on the line and I wanted to repeat some of what I said at the beginning before Randy
[01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:45.000]  got online so that he could hear what I was saying the first couple of minutes we went
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.000]  on the air.
[01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.280]  So at any rate, let me continue.
[01:10:48.280 --> 01:10:55.520]  Let's address the gun issue first, Jerry, because that was the first issue you addressed.
[01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:03.280]  Okay, and if you've ever listened to Larry Weese's show, God and Guns, which is on this
[01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:07.560]  network on Saturdays, if you haven't, you may want to go back and listen to some of
[01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:16.120]  the archives and you also may want to listen specifically to the March 16th God and Guns
[01:11:16.120 --> 01:11:17.120]  show.
[01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:23.720]  He had Harmon on as a guest and they spent the whole show talking about the second amendment
[01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:28.440]  and the commercial nexus of gun regulation and this and that.
[01:11:28.440 --> 01:11:32.980]  And one of their main topics was he pointed out how, well, it's just like with the transportation
[01:11:32.980 --> 01:11:33.980]  issue.
[01:11:33.980 --> 01:11:38.680]  If you get a license, if you ask them permission for anything, you have just agreed to their
[01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:41.640]  entire regulatory scheme, all right?
[01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.760]  And so that's why he strongly advocates against that.
[01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:49.680]  But something else that has also been discussed on Larry's show, I've discussed this with
[01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:50.680]  Harmon.
[01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:56.040]  Larry has discussed this at great length with Harmon and with me both on and off the air.
[01:11:56.040 --> 01:11:59.740]  It's not just about the license, okay?
[01:11:59.740 --> 01:12:04.640]  It's about how you procured the firearm, all right?
[01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:14.220]  If you went to an FFL dealer, you just agreed to the entire regulatory scheme, okay?
[01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:20.360]  If you went to an FFL dealer and you purchased a firearm with Federal Reserve Notes, i.e.
[01:12:20.360 --> 01:12:27.380]  the funny money, you just agreed to the entire regulatory scheme of the federal government.
[01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:34.620]  So you can't then go back and say, oh, they're violating my Second Amendment rights and we
[01:12:34.620 --> 01:12:35.960]  have to do something about it.
[01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:38.280]  Hey, man, you agreed to it, okay?
[01:12:38.280 --> 01:12:42.960]  That FFL dealer has a commercial nexus with the federal government, that FFL dealer, he
[01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:51.000]  or she, where they have a license and they have obtained permission from the government
[01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:55.020]  to be regulated for their firearm sales.
[01:12:55.020 --> 01:13:01.200]  And so now you're on the other side of the coin of that license, of that FFL license.
[01:13:01.200 --> 01:13:05.340]  If you go and try to buy from them, you're going to have to agree to certain things like
[01:13:05.340 --> 01:13:10.100]  their little background check and they're going to want Federal Reserve Notes and all
[01:13:10.100 --> 01:13:11.100]  this and that.
[01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:13.540]  You agreed to the entire regulatory scheme.
[01:13:13.540 --> 01:13:20.020]  So all these gun control regulations that they're trying to clamp down on and all this
[01:13:20.020 --> 01:13:24.820]  and that, folks, it's really not a violation of our Second Amendment rights.
[01:13:24.820 --> 01:13:26.540]  This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.
[01:13:26.540 --> 01:13:30.580]  Number one, the Second Amendment doesn't even exist, okay?
[01:13:30.580 --> 01:13:32.020]  There's no Constitution.
[01:13:32.020 --> 01:13:34.700]  We are born with our rights.
[01:13:34.700 --> 01:13:36.380]  We are born with the right to defend ourselves.
[01:13:36.380 --> 01:13:38.540]  So I'm not even calling it Second Amendment rights anymore.
[01:13:38.540 --> 01:13:41.060]  All right, we're born with the right to defend ourselves.
[01:13:41.060 --> 01:13:45.340]  So all of this regulatory scheme and all the clamp downs and all this gun control, this
[01:13:45.340 --> 01:13:52.180]  does not violate our born right to defend ourselves and it doesn't violate our Second
[01:13:52.180 --> 01:13:56.720]  Amendment quote unquote right, which doesn't even exist anyway, okay?
[01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:01.300]  What it is is that you're agreeing to a regulatory scheme and so if you agree to the terms and
[01:14:01.300 --> 01:14:03.580]  conditions, that's all there is to it.
[01:14:03.580 --> 01:14:05.660]  So how do you get out of it?
[01:14:05.660 --> 01:14:07.080]  Don't agree.
[01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:09.540]  Don't buy a gun from an FFL dealer.
[01:14:09.540 --> 01:14:15.460]  Harmon would say don't even buy a firearm in a private sale with Federal Reserve Notes
[01:14:15.460 --> 01:14:19.660]  because if you use Federal Reserve Notes at all, even in a private sale, that you've still
[01:14:19.660 --> 01:14:23.660]  agreed to their entire regulatory scheme because it's all by commercial agreement in the funny
[01:14:23.660 --> 01:14:24.720]  money system.
[01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:30.660]  So if you want your rights protected that you were born with to defend yourself, don't
[01:14:30.660 --> 01:14:36.500]  buy firearms with Federal Reserve Notes from anybody and especially don't buy from an FFL
[01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:38.000]  dealer, period, in a story.
[01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.880]  Problem solved, okay?
[01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:45.700]  Now the same thing applies with the transportation code.
[01:14:45.700 --> 01:14:49.660]  You don't need a driver's license to travel.
[01:14:49.660 --> 01:14:55.180]  All driver's licenses are commercial in every single state, okay?
[01:14:55.180 --> 01:15:00.300]  If you have a driver's license, you've just opted into their entire system, okay?
[01:15:00.300 --> 01:15:02.660]  You don't need one.
[01:15:02.660 --> 01:15:05.740]  Everybody wants to ball out, they're violating my right to travel with this and that.
[01:15:05.740 --> 01:15:07.320]  No, they're not.
[01:15:07.320 --> 01:15:11.820]  Just like they're not violating your right to defend yourself or to own a firearm, all
[01:15:11.820 --> 01:15:12.820]  right?
[01:15:12.820 --> 01:15:16.420]  You're agreeing to be regulated when you get that license.
[01:15:16.420 --> 01:15:19.180]  Now I'm going to talk a little bit more on the other side.
[01:15:19.180 --> 01:15:20.180]  We're about to go to break.
[01:15:20.180 --> 01:15:27.140]  I'm going to talk a little bit about how you could have a driver's license and yet still
[01:15:27.140 --> 01:15:34.380]  manage to handle yourself to where you're not engaged in a commercial nexus when you're
[01:15:34.380 --> 01:15:36.180]  traveling, okay?
[01:15:36.180 --> 01:15:39.580]  And that has to do with, I've got about a minute so I'll start on it.
[01:15:39.580 --> 01:15:46.180]  That has to do with, if you get the license, that means you have the option of using it
[01:15:46.180 --> 01:15:47.180]  for commerce.
[01:15:47.180 --> 01:15:50.440]  Like I said, all driver's licenses are commercial, period.
[01:15:50.440 --> 01:15:58.260]  And what that means, it gives you permission from the government to be regulated in transportation
[01:15:58.260 --> 01:16:07.980]  and what transportation is, is you are moving, you're moving either passengers or goods from
[01:16:07.980 --> 01:16:12.580]  point A to point B on the roads for hire, all right?
[01:16:12.580 --> 01:16:22.420]  So that would mean 18-wheeler truck or driver, moving goods, taxi cabs, limo drivers, maybe
[01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:28.900]  pizza delivery guy, he's getting paid to take something from point A to point B. That's
[01:16:28.900 --> 01:16:31.320]  the only time you need a driver's license.
[01:16:31.320 --> 01:16:34.620]  Farmers markets, like say if you're a farmer, you're bringing your goods to the farmer's
[01:16:34.620 --> 01:16:35.620]  market.
[01:16:35.620 --> 01:16:38.860]  Do you need a driver's license for that, because you're not engaging in commerce until you
[01:16:38.860 --> 01:16:41.340]  get to the farmer's market.
[01:16:41.340 --> 01:16:46.180]  Nobody's paying you as a farmer to take your own stuff to the farmer's market, okay?
[01:16:46.180 --> 01:16:49.000]  When you're going to work, you don't need a driver's license.
[01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.740]  You don't engage in commerce until you get to work.
[01:16:52.740 --> 01:16:54.060]  Nobody's paying you to get there.
[01:16:54.060 --> 01:16:56.020]  Okay, I'm going to talk about this some more on the other side.
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[01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:29.060]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:19:29.060 --> 01:19:33.900]  All right, I'm going to finish up here because I know there's a few other callers that want
[01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:36.180]  to ask some questions about mortgages and stuff like that.
[01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:37.460]  But this is really important.
[01:19:37.460 --> 01:19:41.620]  People need to get this about the commercial nexus and how it relates to the gun issue
[01:19:41.620 --> 01:19:42.900]  and the transportation issue.
[01:19:42.900 --> 01:19:49.000]  And I'm trying to make this as brief as possible because we could do many, many shows on this
[01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:50.260]  issue, on these issues.
[01:19:50.260 --> 01:19:53.940]  Okay, with the transportation issue, they don't violate your right to travel.
[01:19:53.940 --> 01:19:58.700]  All right, the Supreme Court has ruled over and over and over again that we have a right
[01:19:58.700 --> 01:20:02.700]  to travel that cannot be infringed by regulatory schemes.
[01:20:02.700 --> 01:20:06.260]  So they're not violating our right to travel, okay?
[01:20:06.260 --> 01:20:10.540]  When you get a driver's license, you're agreeing to be regulated by the regulatory scheme,
[01:20:10.540 --> 01:20:12.420]  period, end of story.
[01:20:12.420 --> 01:20:19.920]  Now, when push comes to shove, how that really comes into play is at the time of the traffic
[01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:27.740]  stop because when somebody gets pulled over and pretty much the first thing a police officer
[01:20:27.740 --> 01:20:31.620]  is going to do is they're going to ask you for your license and registration.
[01:20:31.620 --> 01:20:41.340]  If you just hand it over with no caveat and no stipulation, you have just established
[01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:46.620]  prima facie evidence that you're in transportation, that you're in commerce.
[01:20:46.620 --> 01:20:48.740]  So you can't go back and use that as a defense later.
[01:20:48.740 --> 01:20:49.740]  You blew it.
[01:20:49.740 --> 01:20:50.740]  All right.
[01:20:50.740 --> 01:20:51.740]  There's-
[01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:52.740]  Wait a minute.
[01:20:52.740 --> 01:20:53.740]  Wait a minute.
[01:20:53.740 --> 01:21:00.300]  You can't unless you have a DOT number on the back of your vehicle that gives him public
[01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:03.580]  notice that you are not in commerce.
[01:21:03.580 --> 01:21:04.580]  Okay.
[01:21:04.580 --> 01:21:06.340]  Well, that may or may not work.
[01:21:06.340 --> 01:21:13.060]  Harmon's not too sure about that, but I don't want to get into too much of the gray area
[01:21:13.060 --> 01:21:18.940]  here because I'm basically just going off of what I've seen that I know works, all right?
[01:21:18.940 --> 01:21:20.620]  And I've never seen anybody that...
[01:21:20.620 --> 01:21:25.100]  I mean, Randy, have you ever get pulled over and you want to try to fight it on the I'm
[01:21:25.100 --> 01:21:26.700]  not in commerce issue?
[01:21:26.700 --> 01:21:33.900]  I mean, you can show me the results of the case and we'll talk about that after the fact.
[01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:34.900]  But right-
[01:21:34.900 --> 01:21:37.740]  I have one now in Azles, Texas.
[01:21:37.740 --> 01:21:39.780]  I'm trying to get them to bring me to court.
[01:21:39.780 --> 01:21:40.780]  I can't get them to do it.
[01:21:40.780 --> 01:21:41.780]  Okay.
[01:21:41.780 --> 01:21:42.780]  All right.
[01:21:42.780 --> 01:21:43.780]  Well, we'll-
[01:21:43.780 --> 01:21:44.780]  That issue.
[01:21:44.780 --> 01:21:45.780]  Okay.
[01:21:45.780 --> 01:21:46.780]  Well, then we'll keep us posted on that.
[01:21:46.780 --> 01:21:51.500]  I'm going to go back to the- submitting the- handing over the driver's license issue, okay?
[01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:53.900]  Because our friend Jerry keeps dropping off the line.
[01:21:53.900 --> 01:21:57.620]  I don't know if he's having problems with his cell phone or if he's getting tired of
[01:21:57.620 --> 01:21:59.020]  listening to me talk or whatever.
[01:21:59.020 --> 01:22:02.020]  So I'm going to try to figure that- finish this up as soon as possible.
[01:22:02.020 --> 01:22:04.420]  At any rate, here's the deal.
[01:22:04.420 --> 01:22:09.700]  If you just hand over the driver's license for 99% of the time and it's yet to be proved
[01:22:09.700 --> 01:22:13.940]  if Randy's theory is correct or not, I hope it is, we'll see, you've just- and you don't
[01:22:13.940 --> 01:22:19.140]  say anything, you've just established prima facie evidence that you're engaged in transportation,
[01:22:19.140 --> 01:22:20.140]  which is commerce.
[01:22:20.140 --> 01:22:21.140]  All right?
[01:22:21.140 --> 01:22:29.140]  Now, here's what Harmon says you have to do at the time of stop in order to really establish
[01:22:29.140 --> 01:22:31.820]  that you're not engaged in transportation.
[01:22:31.820 --> 01:22:35.020]  You have to not show that driver's license no matter what.
[01:22:35.020 --> 01:22:36.020]  Okay?
[01:22:36.020 --> 01:22:39.960]  He says, if you show it at all, you're basically screwed.
[01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:45.860]  And I went over a particular scenario with him to see what he would think if this would
[01:22:45.860 --> 01:22:47.260]  run up the flagpole.
[01:22:47.260 --> 01:22:51.860]  And I said, well, what if it- here's what I would do, and fortunately, praise God, I
[01:22:51.860 --> 01:22:57.260]  haven't gotten pulled over for many years, but here's what I would do.
[01:22:57.260 --> 01:23:02.260]  First off, and Randy does this too, he's got a Texas ID card, all right?
[01:23:02.260 --> 01:23:04.080]  I've got an ID card.
[01:23:04.080 --> 01:23:08.300]  You're not engaging in any commercial nexus with the state by getting an ID card, all
[01:23:08.300 --> 01:23:09.300]  right?
[01:23:09.300 --> 01:23:13.540]  So there's nothing to- there's no regular activity there, it's just identification.
[01:23:13.540 --> 01:23:20.020]  And so if I got pulled over and the police asked me to see my driver's license, the first
[01:23:20.020 --> 01:23:24.980]  thing I would ask them is, well, officer, am I under arrest?
[01:23:24.980 --> 01:23:32.260]  And he's going to say no, or she's going to say no, this is- I am detaining you.
[01:23:32.260 --> 01:23:34.400]  And I'll be like, okay, well then am I free to go?
[01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:35.400]  And they'll say no.
[01:23:35.400 --> 01:23:39.500]  Okay, well now I've just established prima facie evidence that I really am under arrest,
[01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:43.460]  even though the cops said I wasn't, because there's no such thing as being detained.
[01:23:43.460 --> 01:23:44.460]  There's not a gray area.
[01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:48.020]  You're either under arrest or you're not, and if you're not free to go, you're under
[01:23:48.020 --> 01:23:49.020]  arrest.
[01:23:49.020 --> 01:23:54.580]  Okay, so now that I've established that I'm not free to go, I've established prima facie
[01:23:54.580 --> 01:24:00.100]  evidence that I'm under arrest, I'll hand them my ID card, because in the state of Texas,
[01:24:00.100 --> 01:24:04.220]  if you don't identify yourself after you're under arrest, they can nail you for failure
[01:24:04.220 --> 01:24:05.560]  to ID.
[01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:10.440]  Now they can't charge you with failure to ID if you're not under arrest.
[01:24:10.440 --> 01:24:15.940]  This is not a show your paper society on the books, at least yet, at least in this state.
[01:24:15.940 --> 01:24:17.700]  The cops can't just ask you for your ID.
[01:24:17.700 --> 01:24:21.140]  Okay, you have to- there has to be probable cause that you've committed a crime.
[01:24:21.140 --> 01:24:25.660]  You have to be under arrest in order for them to require you to identify yourself.
[01:24:25.660 --> 01:24:28.060]  Even then, you don't have to show an ID, you just have to give them your name and your
[01:24:28.060 --> 01:24:29.060]  birthday.
[01:24:29.060 --> 01:24:33.660]  All right, so I'll hand them my ID, and at that point the officer is going to look at
[01:24:33.660 --> 01:24:37.640]  it and get really upset and say, this isn't a driver's license.
[01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:43.100]  And I'm going to say, well officer, I have a- he's going to ask me if I have one, and
[01:24:43.100 --> 01:24:47.660]  I'm going to say, well I have one, but I'm not using it right now because I'm not in
[01:24:47.660 --> 01:24:48.660]  transportation.
[01:24:48.660 --> 01:24:50.420]  He'll say, you're not driving?
[01:24:50.420 --> 01:24:52.180]  No, officer, I'm not driving.
[01:24:52.180 --> 01:24:53.380]  You're not driving this vehicle?
[01:24:53.380 --> 01:24:55.860]  No, officer, this is not a vehicle, okay?
[01:24:55.860 --> 01:24:57.340]  This is not a motor vehicle.
[01:24:57.340 --> 01:24:58.540]  I'm not driving.
[01:24:58.540 --> 01:25:00.460]  I'm not operating anything.
[01:25:00.460 --> 01:25:02.800]  I'm not operating a vehicle, all right?
[01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:07.420]  And so then I'll have a little polite back and forth with the officer, all right?
[01:25:07.420 --> 01:25:12.060]  I probably wouldn't be as, you know, hyper as I am now because I'm trying to get through
[01:25:12.060 --> 01:25:14.820]  the story as quickly as possible so we can get to the calls.
[01:25:14.820 --> 01:25:19.260]  But basically I would do this in a very slow, methodical, polite manner, and I would let
[01:25:19.260 --> 01:25:24.740]  it get to the point where the officer is going to arrest me, is about to arrest me.
[01:25:24.740 --> 01:25:29.420]  And then, and of course I'm recording all of this, and I'll say, officer, are you trying
[01:25:29.420 --> 01:25:36.680]  to tell me that you are going to arrest me and throw me in jail if I don't hand over
[01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:38.540]  my driver's license?
[01:25:38.540 --> 01:25:43.140]  And I'm going to get that person to say yes on the record.
[01:25:43.140 --> 01:25:48.500]  And then I'm going to say, okay, well then I want it on the record that only under duress,
[01:25:48.500 --> 01:25:54.380]  because you're threatening to kidnap me, and throw me in jail for not handing over my driver's
[01:25:54.380 --> 01:25:55.500]  license.
[01:25:55.500 --> 01:25:59.740]  That is the only reason I'm handing this over to you, but I want it clear.
[01:25:59.740 --> 01:26:02.100]  I am not in transportation.
[01:26:02.100 --> 01:26:04.700]  I am not in commerce, okay?
[01:26:04.700 --> 01:26:11.300]  I have the authority to use this driver's license, but I'm not using it right now.
[01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:13.500]  I'm not required to give it to you.
[01:26:13.500 --> 01:26:17.820]  See, you only are required to show your driver's license when you're pulled over if you're
[01:26:17.820 --> 01:26:19.140]  engaged in transportation.
[01:26:19.140 --> 01:26:20.140]  That's what the code says.
[01:26:20.140 --> 01:26:21.140]  All right?
[01:26:21.140 --> 01:26:24.580]  Well, if you're not engaged in transportation, you don't have to show it, okay?
[01:26:24.580 --> 01:26:27.860]  And so I would make it clear on the record that's the only reason, because I can't go
[01:26:27.860 --> 01:26:28.860]  to jail.
[01:26:28.860 --> 01:26:29.860]  All right?
[01:26:29.860 --> 01:26:30.860]  I'll get raped.
[01:26:30.860 --> 01:26:31.860]  I'll get beat up.
[01:26:31.860 --> 01:26:32.860]  They'll kill me.
[01:26:32.860 --> 01:26:33.860]  They'll rip me limb from limb in there.
[01:26:33.860 --> 01:26:36.780]  All right, I've seen too many horror story videos about what the jail guards do to women
[01:26:36.780 --> 01:26:41.380]  in jails, especially at Del Valley Jail here in Travis County.
[01:26:41.380 --> 01:26:42.500]  I am not going there.
[01:26:42.500 --> 01:26:43.900]  I don't care what it takes.
[01:26:43.900 --> 01:26:47.780]  I'm not going to that place because of a stupid traffic stop, all right?
[01:26:47.780 --> 01:26:52.060]  But and Harmon said, okay, he said that would probably work.
[01:26:52.060 --> 01:26:55.260]  And then we could take it up on the case after that.
[01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:57.220]  But of course, you would lose at the trial level.
[01:26:57.220 --> 01:26:59.060]  You'd have to take it up on appeal.
[01:26:59.060 --> 01:27:02.580]  You'd have to appeal the Supreme Court of Texas, then you'd have to take it in federal
[01:27:02.580 --> 01:27:03.580]  court.
[01:27:03.580 --> 01:27:04.580]  It would be a years-long process.
[01:27:04.580 --> 01:27:05.980]  That's the only way we're going to beat these guys.
[01:27:05.980 --> 01:27:12.960]  Okay, so the long and short of it all is that they're not violating a right to travel.
[01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:19.540]  It all has to do with you being regulated, you agreeing to the regulatory scheme.
[01:27:19.540 --> 01:27:26.020]  And if you have a driver's license at all, you're in danger of, you know, basically agreeing
[01:27:26.020 --> 01:27:27.900]  to everything, all right?
[01:27:27.900 --> 01:27:29.720]  Even you have to do everything.
[01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:33.220]  If you have a driver's license, you have to do and say everything right at the time of
[01:27:33.220 --> 01:27:34.220]  the stop.
[01:27:34.220 --> 01:27:37.360]  And you have to do and say everything right at the time of the trial.
[01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:40.980]  Because if you mess up at the trial, then you blow the whole case.
[01:27:40.980 --> 01:27:43.940]  You have to make all the right objections and everything else.
[01:27:43.940 --> 01:27:51.060]  And so that's one of the reasons why we have Eddie's traffic course, the rule of law transportation
[01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:52.060]  course that Eddie has.
[01:27:52.060 --> 01:27:55.340]  And if you want to know more, you can get on Harman Taylor's mailing list.
[01:27:55.340 --> 01:27:59.660]  But I think that I want to wrap it up here and get the comments from Jerry.
[01:27:59.660 --> 01:28:01.540]  Okay, Jerry, have I made myself clear?
[01:28:01.540 --> 01:28:04.620]  Do you understand about the, at least are you starting to get a grip on the commercial
[01:28:04.620 --> 01:28:05.620]  nexus thing?
[01:28:05.620 --> 01:28:10.800]  Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from, but that was totally off the point that
[01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:11.800]  I was getting at.
[01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:15.020]  Because every time I got pulled over, I had no license.
[01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:16.820]  My driver's license has been expired.
[01:28:16.820 --> 01:28:18.160]  I let it go.
[01:28:18.160 --> 01:28:21.340]  The point that I was saying is, and I totally agree with you, if the Constitution doesn't
[01:28:21.340 --> 01:28:25.580]  exist, how do you establish the governing agency?
[01:28:25.580 --> 01:28:29.560]  How do you give them notice that you're not going to play the game that they're trying
[01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:30.560]  to get you to play?
[01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.820]  When, here's how you establish that.
[01:28:32.820 --> 01:28:37.980]  When you get pulled over and they throw you in jail for not having a driver's license,
[01:28:37.980 --> 01:28:38.980]  okay?
[01:28:38.980 --> 01:28:42.340]  You have to say all the right things at the traffic stop.
[01:28:42.340 --> 01:28:46.060]  You have to say all the right things at the trial, and then you have to sue them.
[01:28:46.060 --> 01:28:48.300]  Okay, there's no magic bullet here.
[01:28:48.300 --> 01:28:52.760]  There is no way that you can preemptively put them on notice.
[01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:54.620]  It doesn't work that way.
[01:28:54.620 --> 01:28:56.820]  I get asked this question all the time.
[01:28:56.820 --> 01:28:58.420]  Can't I write these guys a letter?
[01:28:58.420 --> 01:28:59.420]  Can't I do this?
[01:28:59.420 --> 01:29:03.260]  Isn't there some document that we can file right off the bat when the case first starts
[01:29:03.260 --> 01:29:04.260]  to let them know?
[01:29:04.260 --> 01:29:05.580]  No, the answer is no.
[01:29:05.580 --> 01:29:07.420]  It's a very long, hard road.
[01:29:07.420 --> 01:29:10.700]  But if enough of us do it, then they will change.
[01:29:10.700 --> 01:29:13.540]  No, no, that's not the point that I was trying to make.
[01:29:13.540 --> 01:29:18.860]  Again, what I'm saying to you is we know how the police and the agents of the government
[01:29:18.860 --> 01:29:19.860]  are going to conduct themselves.
[01:29:19.860 --> 01:29:24.620]  The only way that they can change, like you were saying, is that we have to establish
[01:29:24.620 --> 01:29:29.060]  another way of dealing with the situation in a manner that's mature.
[01:29:29.060 --> 01:29:33.540]  Like for example, there's a maxim that you make an agreement or you make peace with your
[01:29:33.540 --> 01:29:37.780]  adversary so that he will not drag you before the magistrate.
[01:29:37.780 --> 01:29:38.780]  Okay.
[01:29:38.780 --> 01:29:39.780]  All right.
[01:29:39.780 --> 01:29:40.780]  Well, look.
[01:29:40.780 --> 01:29:41.780]  We'll talk about this a little bit more on the other side.
[01:29:41.780 --> 01:29:46.980]  But basically, okay, you don't think I answered your question, but I know I did answer the
[01:29:46.980 --> 01:29:54.260]  question because there's nothing to do to preemptively establish anything.
[01:29:54.260 --> 01:29:55.260]  You're already there.
[01:29:55.260 --> 01:29:58.860]  You just have to let them know you're not regulating me.
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[01:33:08.260 --> 01:33:18.100]  Yeah, and who you want to chip, will you take me for free tully?
[01:33:18.100 --> 01:33:23.060]  Who you want to chip, me no free tully, you can't chip me, all I'm saying.
[01:33:23.060 --> 01:33:24.060]  Okay, we are back.
[01:33:24.060 --> 01:33:28.300]  All right, I'm going to try to finish this up very quickly and Randy has a few comments
[01:33:28.300 --> 01:33:29.300]  for this too.
[01:33:29.300 --> 01:33:33.160]  All right, Jerry, I understand what you're saying about, you know, having a high moral
[01:33:33.160 --> 01:33:38.060]  code and trying to make peace with your adversary before it gets to court and things like that.
[01:33:38.060 --> 01:33:46.940]  But this is a kind of a different situation because they are operating under the presupposition
[01:33:46.940 --> 01:33:50.460]  that you have agreed to their regulatory scheme.
[01:33:50.460 --> 01:33:54.820]  And that's why I say it's very crucial what you do at the traffic stop and at trial to
[01:33:54.820 --> 01:33:59.860]  make sure that evidence has been entered into the record that you did not agree to the regulatory
[01:33:59.860 --> 01:34:03.220]  scheme and the regulatory scheme does not apply to you.
[01:34:03.220 --> 01:34:09.780]  But the only way to make that happen is you have to, you have to operate basically on
[01:34:09.780 --> 01:34:10.780]  the defense.
[01:34:10.780 --> 01:34:13.660]  Okay, there's no offensive maneuver for this.
[01:34:13.660 --> 01:34:15.100]  There's no letters that you can write.
[01:34:15.100 --> 01:34:20.900]  There's nothing that you can do ahead of time to establish yourself that you're not in their
[01:34:20.900 --> 01:34:26.300]  regulatory scheme other than not having a driver's license and not having any license
[01:34:26.300 --> 01:34:28.280]  plates or anything like that.
[01:34:28.280 --> 01:34:33.260]  And so you just have to wait for them to do something to you and then you can file documents
[01:34:33.260 --> 01:34:34.260]  in the case.
[01:34:34.260 --> 01:34:39.540]  You can file written standing objections stating that you are not in transportation, but they're
[01:34:39.540 --> 01:34:40.900]  not going to pay attention to that.
[01:34:40.900 --> 01:34:43.060]  Ultimately, you're going to have to go to trial and you're gonna have to make all the
[01:34:43.060 --> 01:34:45.980]  right objections and you're gonna have to go through the whole ringer.
[01:34:45.980 --> 01:34:46.980]  All right.
[01:34:46.980 --> 01:34:49.460]  So that's just, that's just the way it is.
[01:34:49.460 --> 01:34:52.300]  I mean, Randy, you want to add to this?
[01:34:52.300 --> 01:34:53.500]  Yes.
[01:34:53.500 --> 01:35:00.340]  When you go to trial, you can expect the trial court to rule against you out of hand at every
[01:35:00.340 --> 01:35:02.300]  turn.
[01:35:02.300 --> 01:35:11.080]  When you talk to the police officer on the street, he is trained to presuppose everybody
[01:35:11.080 --> 01:35:19.540]  in a motorized piece of equipment is operating under his authority and you are not going
[01:35:19.540 --> 01:35:23.980]  to convince him otherwise, no matter what you do.
[01:35:23.980 --> 01:35:27.580]  Now that may not be right, but in the real world, this is what we deal with.
[01:35:27.580 --> 01:35:32.260]  The only place you're going to win this, if we're going to win it at all, is in the court
[01:35:32.260 --> 01:35:33.260]  of appeals.
[01:35:33.260 --> 01:35:34.260]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:35.840]  And sometimes you have to go to the Supreme Court.
[01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:39.180]  Sometimes you have to take it into federal court and I'd say file.
[01:35:39.180 --> 01:35:44.060]  The only proactive thing I would ever do is file a federal lawsuit as a plaintiff, but
[01:35:44.060 --> 01:35:47.340]  you have to have all the right facts on your side and you have to go through the whole
[01:35:47.340 --> 01:35:50.020]  state court system first.
[01:35:50.020 --> 01:35:55.020]  But if you try to do anything proactively, like write them letters, if you try to do
[01:35:55.020 --> 01:36:00.580]  anything to establish ahead of time that you're not part of the regulatory scheme, then you
[01:36:00.580 --> 01:36:03.560]  are going to unwittingly agree to the regulatory scheme.
[01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:05.020]  That's just the way it is.
[01:36:05.020 --> 01:36:06.020]  Yeah.
[01:36:06.020 --> 01:36:10.260]  And you know, I'm an engineer, I'm not even a realist.
[01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:12.540]  I'm an engineer, this is how it works.
[01:36:12.540 --> 01:36:18.100]  And if we're going to win this, we have to understand there's not anything we can do
[01:36:18.100 --> 01:36:24.460]  with that officer on the street other than get him to step on the points of law we need
[01:36:24.460 --> 01:36:27.460]  him to step on.
[01:36:27.460 --> 01:36:30.780]  Once you've got that, then we need to move away from him.
[01:36:30.780 --> 01:36:33.220]  He's going to do what he's going to do.
[01:36:33.220 --> 01:36:36.820]  Above all, avoid confrontation.
[01:36:36.820 --> 01:36:38.460]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:36:38.460 --> 01:36:42.020]  They are very good at confrontation.
[01:36:42.020 --> 01:36:44.700]  They do confrontation all day, every day.
[01:36:44.700 --> 01:36:46.980]  You think you're going to beat them?
[01:36:46.980 --> 01:36:48.660]  You are out of your league.
[01:36:48.660 --> 01:36:49.660]  Yeah.
[01:36:49.660 --> 01:36:54.220]  And there's nothing you can do proactively ahead of time by writing letters or filing
[01:36:54.220 --> 01:36:58.980]  notices in public record or none of that stuff is going to do any good at all.
[01:36:58.980 --> 01:37:03.020]  You have to, the only way to deal with this is you just have to wait for them to come
[01:37:03.020 --> 01:37:07.980]  after you and then you have to make the proper defenses and then sue them and file criminal
[01:37:07.980 --> 01:37:08.980]  charges against them.
[01:37:08.980 --> 01:37:09.980]  That's the only way.
[01:37:09.980 --> 01:37:12.260]  Yes, and Jerry, we really need to move ahead.
[01:37:12.260 --> 01:37:13.860]  If you want, call in tomorrow night.
[01:37:13.860 --> 01:37:16.020]  This is a good subject.
[01:37:16.020 --> 01:37:22.180]  And I would like to cover this some more tomorrow night, but we have a couple callers that's
[01:37:22.180 --> 01:37:25.880]  been on since the beginning and we really need to get to them.
[01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:27.780]  Have a good night and I'll see you guys soon.
[01:37:27.780 --> 01:37:28.780]  Okay.
[01:37:28.780 --> 01:37:29.780]  Thanks, Jerry.
[01:37:29.780 --> 01:37:32.380]  I hope we answered the question, but basically the answer to your question is no.
[01:37:32.380 --> 01:37:37.100]  There's nothing you can do proactively ahead of time to try to stave this off or try to
[01:37:37.100 --> 01:37:39.280]  make peace with the enemy ahead of time.
[01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:40.280]  It don't work that way.
[01:37:40.280 --> 01:37:43.440]  They are predators, okay?
[01:37:43.440 --> 01:37:45.220]  They're a parasite, all right?
[01:37:45.220 --> 01:37:50.780]  They want to rope everybody into their commercial system for the purpose of revenue so that
[01:37:50.780 --> 01:37:56.300]  the state can be the all powerful collective and we are just the little cogs in the wheel.
[01:37:56.300 --> 01:37:57.300]  Okay.
[01:37:57.300 --> 01:37:58.300]  That is the reality.
[01:37:58.300 --> 01:38:00.340]  So there's nothing that you can do ahead of time.
[01:38:00.340 --> 01:38:01.340]  Sorry.
[01:38:01.340 --> 01:38:02.340]  All right.
[01:38:02.340 --> 01:38:03.340]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:38:03.340 --> 01:38:04.340]  Okay.
[01:38:04.340 --> 01:38:05.340]  We're going to go to Deborah in Texas.
[01:38:05.340 --> 01:38:09.460]  Hello, Deborah, and sorry we made you wait so long.
[01:38:09.460 --> 01:38:10.460]  Oh, that's okay.
[01:38:10.460 --> 01:38:11.460]  I had a quick question.
[01:38:11.460 --> 01:38:12.460]  Well, actually, too.
[01:38:12.460 --> 01:38:15.340]  I'm in the middle of an accident.
[01:38:15.340 --> 01:38:16.340]  Hold on.
[01:38:16.340 --> 01:38:17.340]  Hold on.
[01:38:17.340 --> 01:38:19.060]  Are you on a wireless phone?
[01:38:19.060 --> 01:38:20.060]  No.
[01:38:20.060 --> 01:38:21.620]  I'm on my cell phone.
[01:38:21.620 --> 01:38:22.620]  Okay.
[01:38:22.620 --> 01:38:23.620]  That's a lot better.
[01:38:23.620 --> 01:38:24.620]  You were getting a lot of squeaky.
[01:38:24.620 --> 01:38:29.760]  Whenever I get squeaky stuff, it's only a wireless handset does that, but you sound
[01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:30.760]  much better now.
[01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:31.760]  Go ahead.
[01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:32.760]  Okay.
[01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:37.820]  So anyway, I'm in the middle of trying to finish up a quiet title action or action quiet
[01:38:37.820 --> 01:38:44.780]  title rather, and I had filed my motion for summary judgment and the judge has now put
[01:38:44.780 --> 01:38:51.620]  it on hold and he has ordered a mediation and I was just wondering, is that a good sign
[01:38:51.620 --> 01:38:53.460]  or what does that mean?
[01:38:53.460 --> 01:38:59.620]  Well, mediation is that's the judge doesn't want to rule and you should raise an objection.
[01:38:59.620 --> 01:39:01.900]  This is quiet title.
[01:39:01.900 --> 01:39:02.900]  There's nothing to mediate.
[01:39:02.900 --> 01:39:03.900]  Right.
[01:39:03.900 --> 01:39:04.900]  That's what I thought.
[01:39:04.900 --> 01:39:05.900]  Yeah.
[01:39:05.900 --> 01:39:10.140]  And you should, I would object to mediation.
[01:39:10.140 --> 01:39:16.740]  And if you go to mediation, you know, if he insists, okay, we'll go to mediation.
[01:39:16.740 --> 01:39:22.420]  You ask the other side to do whatever you ask for in the lawsuit and pay you a whole
[01:39:22.420 --> 01:39:25.500]  bunch in compensation.
[01:39:25.500 --> 01:39:29.100]  That's your offer to mediate.
[01:39:29.100 --> 01:39:32.580]  And or if you want, let them make you an offer.
[01:39:32.580 --> 01:39:41.740]  Are you, since you're the plaintiff, let them make an offer and you come back with a counter
[01:39:41.740 --> 01:39:46.820]  offer that they're not going to accept in a thousand years.
[01:39:46.820 --> 01:39:47.820]  It's okay.
[01:39:47.820 --> 01:39:48.820]  We've handled the mediation.
[01:39:48.820 --> 01:39:53.180]  Now I moved to court to do their job.
[01:39:53.180 --> 01:39:58.620]  What was the claim for quiet title?
[01:39:58.620 --> 01:39:59.620]  The claim?
[01:39:59.620 --> 01:40:00.620]  Yeah.
[01:40:00.620 --> 01:40:06.980]  Well, um, this, my case is one that Leslie has actually talked to you about on, um, on
[01:40:06.980 --> 01:40:07.980]  one of her calls.
[01:40:07.980 --> 01:40:14.060]  I think it was a few months ago, but, um, I'm not sure about all the, I'm not sure about
[01:40:14.060 --> 01:40:18.420]  everything, but, um, let's see.
[01:40:18.420 --> 01:40:19.420]  Do you have counsel?
[01:40:19.420 --> 01:40:20.420]  No, I don't.
[01:40:20.420 --> 01:40:21.980]  I'm doing pro se.
[01:40:21.980 --> 01:40:22.980]  Oh, okay.
[01:40:22.980 --> 01:40:28.380]  For the purpose of quiet title, you might want to seek counsel.
[01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:36.940]  Your property is too valuable to risk the pro se bias in the real world.
[01:40:36.940 --> 01:40:37.940]  Right.
[01:40:37.940 --> 01:40:44.060]  And there's that option that I do the, do the, you know, the settle out of court thing
[01:40:44.060 --> 01:40:49.060]  and that would be okay if it, you know, if it, if it works out pretty good and I'm okay
[01:40:49.060 --> 01:40:50.060]  with that.
[01:40:50.060 --> 01:40:53.020]  If it's, you know, that's a good deal.
[01:40:53.020 --> 01:40:55.620]  Let them, let them make an offer.
[01:40:55.620 --> 01:40:56.620]  Okay.
[01:40:56.620 --> 01:41:01.020]  And that if they don't want to make an offer or if they make a ridiculous offer, then that
[01:41:01.020 --> 01:41:02.020]  can end mediation.
[01:41:02.020 --> 01:41:03.020]  Okay.
[01:41:03.020 --> 01:41:06.660]  And there was one other thing that I wanted to mention to you.
[01:41:06.660 --> 01:41:14.020]  Um, I, from the docket sheet that's on the court website, um, at the top it has a demand
[01:41:14.020 --> 01:41:17.500]  amount and, uh, it lists like money.
[01:41:17.500 --> 01:41:20.380]  I never asked for any particular things.
[01:41:20.380 --> 01:41:26.660]  I only told them like whatever, uh, whatever release that the court deemed appropriate.
[01:41:26.660 --> 01:41:30.820]  And I have a lot of, uh, TELA violations and things in there.
[01:41:30.820 --> 01:41:34.820]  And I was wondering, like, do you know what that demand amount at the top of the docket
[01:41:34.820 --> 01:41:35.820]  sheet means?
[01:41:35.820 --> 01:41:40.780]  No, that's, that's going to be how the clerk runs her office.
[01:41:40.780 --> 01:41:45.300]  The clerks and the judges, that's going to be different probably with every court.
[01:41:45.300 --> 01:41:50.500]  I don't ever remember seeing a demand amount listed on a docket.
[01:41:50.500 --> 01:41:55.700]  Yeah, it's a nice big dollar amount, but I was, I was wondering if that was what I, what
[01:41:55.700 --> 01:41:58.740]  they see the value of the case is working.
[01:41:58.740 --> 01:42:04.300]  Yeah, the docket will have nothing to do with the case itself.
[01:42:04.300 --> 01:42:06.100]  It's just a public notice.
[01:42:06.100 --> 01:42:07.100]  Okay.
[01:42:07.100 --> 01:42:08.100]  Yeah.
[01:42:08.100 --> 01:42:10.260]  I wouldn't have too much concern about that.
[01:42:10.260 --> 01:42:11.260]  Okay.
[01:42:11.260 --> 01:42:12.260]  All right.
[01:42:12.260 --> 01:42:15.260]  I just assumed it was probably something else.
[01:42:15.260 --> 01:42:16.260]  Okay.
[01:42:16.260 --> 01:42:17.260]  All right.
[01:42:17.260 --> 01:42:18.260]  Well, that's all for me tonight.
[01:42:18.260 --> 01:42:19.260]  All righty.
[01:42:19.260 --> 01:42:20.260]  Well, thank you very much.
[01:42:20.260 --> 01:42:25.540]  Now we're going to go to Roosevelt in Oregon.
[01:42:25.540 --> 01:42:26.540]  Hello.
[01:42:26.540 --> 01:42:27.540]  Hello.
[01:42:27.540 --> 01:42:31.980]  What do you have for us today?
[01:42:31.980 --> 01:42:40.320]  I was just, uh, on the phone a couple of hours ago with you and Dave Lewis and he told me
[01:42:40.320 --> 01:42:45.620]  that I should mention, uh, what is happening with my case.
[01:42:45.620 --> 01:42:51.340]  I didn't really have a question unless you have something that you can say to address
[01:42:51.340 --> 01:42:52.340]  it.
[01:42:52.340 --> 01:42:58.020]  But briefly, uh, we've been, uh, evicted from our home now.
[01:42:58.020 --> 01:43:02.940]  Three years ago, uh, we went through the whole, uh, circus in court.
[01:43:02.940 --> 01:43:07.740]  It was a district attorney acting as a, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:43:07.740 --> 01:43:09.940]  If you don't have a question, this will take too long.
[01:43:09.940 --> 01:43:13.340]  We've only got 15 minutes left.
[01:43:13.340 --> 01:43:15.040]  Let's talk about this off the air.
[01:43:15.040 --> 01:43:20.660]  This is better if I have a question, all of this information that I need to collect, uh,
[01:43:20.660 --> 01:43:23.860]  be better if I do that when I don't have the whole audience.
[01:43:23.860 --> 01:43:24.860]  Okay.
[01:43:24.860 --> 01:43:26.860]  Does that make sense?
[01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:28.740]  I do appreciate you calling in though.
[01:43:28.740 --> 01:43:29.740]  That's great.
[01:43:29.740 --> 01:43:30.740]  Well, that does.
[01:43:30.740 --> 01:43:39.140]  But what I wanted to say was, um, Quickly, we've got 20 seconds.
[01:43:39.140 --> 01:43:40.140]  Okay.
[01:43:40.140 --> 01:43:47.340]  Is there something that we can litigate that, uh, allows them to be liable for debt?
[01:43:47.340 --> 01:43:48.740]  Oh yeah.
[01:43:48.740 --> 01:43:49.740]  There will be a lot of that.
[01:43:49.740 --> 01:43:50.900]  Hang on to the other side.
[01:43:50.900 --> 01:43:55.220]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, rule of law radio, our call in number five one
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[01:46:23.500 --> 01:46:25.140]  Okay, we're back.
[01:46:25.140 --> 01:46:30.660]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Rule of Law Radio and we're talking to Roosevelt in Oregon.
[01:46:30.660 --> 01:46:33.420]  And as to what you can do, there's a lot you can do.
[01:46:33.420 --> 01:46:37.740]  You have MERS on your deed of trust.
[01:46:37.740 --> 01:46:43.300]  First thing to do is look at your deed of trust and see if the lender signed the deed
[01:46:43.300 --> 01:46:46.020]  of trust.
[01:46:46.020 --> 01:46:51.700]  If the lender didn't sign the deed of trust, MERS was never affirmed as an agent for the
[01:46:51.700 --> 01:46:53.340]  lender.
[01:46:53.340 --> 01:46:59.500]  If you loan me money to buy a house and you say, well, I want a security instrument and
[01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:04.100]  I write you a deed of trust and I say, well, yeah, okay, I'll write you this deed of trust,
[01:47:04.100 --> 01:47:09.180]  but I don't like your lawyer, so I'm going to fire him and I'm going to hire a lawyer
[01:47:09.180 --> 01:47:10.180]  for you.
[01:47:10.180 --> 01:47:14.820]  I got a brother-in-law over here who's a lawyer and I want him to be your agent.
[01:47:14.820 --> 01:47:19.080]  What power would I have to do that?
[01:47:19.080 --> 01:47:20.080]  But I'd have none.
[01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:28.340]  You read the deed of trust and the borrower purports to appoint an agent for the lender.
[01:47:28.340 --> 01:47:29.860]  Borrower doesn't have any power to do that.
[01:47:29.860 --> 01:47:36.820]  In order for that section of the contract to have effect, the lender would have had
[01:47:36.820 --> 01:47:43.660]  to have affirmed the appointment by signing the document and he did not.
[01:47:43.660 --> 01:47:51.060]  So first thing we say is MERS is not an agent and even if MERS was an agent, the deed of
[01:47:51.060 --> 01:48:01.120]  trust transfers legal title first to the trustee and then the very next paragraph, it says
[01:48:01.120 --> 01:48:08.580]  you understand that MERS does not hold a beneficial interest in the note, but merely holds legal
[01:48:08.580 --> 01:48:10.280]  title.
[01:48:10.280 --> 01:48:15.940]  That means it's not a trust document at all, it's a mortgage.
[01:48:15.940 --> 01:48:23.240]  That you granted the property to MERS and not the trustee, so the document is void.
[01:48:23.240 --> 01:48:25.900]  We have a lot of things like that.
[01:48:25.900 --> 01:48:31.920]  We can go in and show that these guys never had power to foreclose and we have a number
[01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:42.020]  of tools we can use and we'll go in and file a petition for declaratory judgment on the
[01:48:42.020 --> 01:48:49.360]  validity of the deed of trust if the original lender is out of business.
[01:48:49.360 --> 01:48:57.200]  And if I remember right in your case, Countrywide went out of business in 2010 and Countrywide
[01:48:57.200 --> 01:49:03.880]  purports to have filed an assignment in 2012, not.
[01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:09.000]  They couldn't file an assignment in 2012, they didn't exist.
[01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:13.340]  So there was no assignment to whoever's doing the foreclosure.
[01:49:13.340 --> 01:49:21.140]  If you can go in and get the court to rule that the assignment of deed of trust is filed
[01:49:21.140 --> 01:49:27.760]  and the record is void, then as a matter of law, the foreclosure is void.
[01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:31.100]  It's res judicata, already been adjudicated.
[01:49:31.100 --> 01:49:41.680]  When you then file for quiet title, the lender has no standing because it's already been
[01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:48.540]  adjudicated that the documents they depended on were void and this judge may not go back
[01:49:48.540 --> 01:49:51.840]  and revisit that decision.
[01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:54.880]  Res judicata has already been adjudicated.
[01:49:54.880 --> 01:50:01.960]  We kind of used some bushwhack techniques but there are just stacks of things you can
[01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:02.960]  do.
[01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:06.420]  There's more than I could do four hours on things you can do.
[01:50:06.420 --> 01:50:11.240]  So there will be a lot of things but first we have to evaluate the documentation and
[01:50:11.240 --> 01:50:15.200]  from the documentation I'll pull out the flaws.
[01:50:15.200 --> 01:50:21.880]  Did David talk to you about sending letters to the notaries and to whoever affirmed documents?
[01:50:21.880 --> 01:50:28.280]  Yes, he's sending me all of the email so I can take all the necessary steps and he asked
[01:50:28.280 --> 01:50:36.280]  me to mention to you that for the last year, we have been hearing from them saying the
[01:50:36.280 --> 01:50:44.440]  property actually isn't in foreclosure and if it's pre-foreclosure, oh, okay, I'm mixing
[01:50:44.440 --> 01:50:45.920]  you up with someone else.
[01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:46.920]  Oops.
[01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:47.920]  No, no, no, no.
[01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:48.920]  Okay.
[01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:53.000]  That's why I was telling you that three years ago we were foreclosed on.
[01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:59.840]  We went into court, we were evicted from our house and we have been, it's a foreclosure.
[01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:02.440]  Is there anybody in the property now?
[01:51:02.440 --> 01:51:03.440]  No.
[01:51:03.440 --> 01:51:11.440]  Move in, rent it out to somebody.
[01:51:11.440 --> 01:51:16.800]  If they're saying that it hasn't been foreclosed on, did I get that right?
[01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.800]  Yes, they are.
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:22.360]  I documented evidence and phone calls, everything.
[01:51:22.360 --> 01:51:27.480]  Put somebody in it and that muddies the water for those guys.
[01:51:27.480 --> 01:51:30.240]  Then, okay, we need to look at the documentation.
[01:51:30.240 --> 01:51:35.280]  If there is a, is there a trustee's deed filed in the record?
[01:51:35.280 --> 01:51:38.440]  Okay, that's what we'll be checking.
[01:51:38.440 --> 01:51:43.200]  Okay, okay, if there's no trustee's deed, then we want to get in a notice of default
[01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:46.680]  against the lender.
[01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:50.400]  And I have Tony on, he has a foreclosure question.
[01:51:50.400 --> 01:51:53.480]  Tony would be glad, he'll like hearing this.
[01:51:53.480 --> 01:51:59.920]  I had a guy in Washington State send out a qualified written request and debt validation
[01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:03.460]  letter did not get a responsive answer.
[01:52:03.460 --> 01:52:08.320]  So he filed a notice of default in the record against the lender claiming them, you know,
[01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:12.320]  accusing them of defaulting on the deed of trust.
[01:52:12.320 --> 01:52:18.440]  And the lawyers on the other side had a fit and they called him and threatened him with
[01:52:18.440 --> 01:52:20.880]  all the stuff they'd do if he didn't take it out of there.
[01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:23.080]  He told him to go scratch.
[01:52:23.080 --> 01:52:26.480]  They immediately sold the note to somebody else.
[01:52:26.480 --> 01:52:31.920]  So if they're claiming you haven't been foreclosed on, that's the first thing you want to do
[01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:33.800]  is get a notice of default.
[01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:38.560]  And then we go back and sue them for fraud.
[01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.480]  Do you have it written that you're not in foreclosure?
[01:52:41.480 --> 01:52:43.920]  Yeah, I have.
[01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:45.520]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:50.000]  If you have any physical document, they got a problem.
[01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:55.320]  They forced you out of the property three years ago and it wasn't foreclosed on, you
[01:52:55.320 --> 01:53:02.100]  get to sue them for everything it costs you not being in the property, for any damage
[01:53:02.100 --> 01:53:06.480]  or loss to the property, you have a good claim against them.
[01:53:06.480 --> 01:53:07.480]  Okay.
[01:53:07.480 --> 01:53:12.240]  Let's pick this up, the rest of this off the air or tomorrow night would be better because
[01:53:12.240 --> 01:53:14.280]  we do a four hour show tomorrow night.
[01:53:14.280 --> 01:53:15.680]  I have two more callers.
[01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:17.280]  I'd like to get to them at least a little bit.
[01:53:17.280 --> 01:53:19.960]  They've been waiting for quite a while.
[01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:24.720]  So we'll talk tomorrow and if you want to call in the show tomorrow night, that would
[01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:25.720]  be great.
[01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:26.720]  Sure.
[01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:27.720]  Okay.
[01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:28.720]  Thank you, Randy.
[01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:29.720]  Thank you, Roosevelt.
[01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:32.200]  We're going to Tony in Illinois.
[01:53:32.200 --> 01:53:33.600]  Hello, Tony.
[01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:35.600]  How's it going?
[01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.000]  I'll try to be quick.
[01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:52.880]  Is there any issue with you don't send a validation letter within 30 days of the summons or anything
[01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:54.280]  like that?
[01:53:54.280 --> 01:53:59.000]  Well, the change of service.
[01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:05.160]  Your change of service reactivates your right to file a debt validation letter.
[01:54:05.160 --> 01:54:11.920]  A qualified written request can be filed at any time and always in your qualified written
[01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:16.800]  request or your debt validation letter, there should be included a requirement that they
[01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:22.680]  produce the note under UCC 3-501.
[01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:24.160]  That you can do at any time.
[01:54:24.160 --> 01:54:31.520]  Any time you receive a presentment or a demand for payment in United States dollars, any
[01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:36.920]  time you get one of those, you can demand that they produce the original instrument
[01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:39.960]  on which their claim is based.
[01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:45.200]  So that won't be involved with any limitations.
[01:54:45.200 --> 01:54:47.800]  With the validation letter, you do have that limitation?
[01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:50.640]  Yeah, I think you do.
[01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:51.640]  Well onto the game.
[01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:57.080]  Well, the thing is, we've never had anybody, we had one guy raise that objection.
[01:54:57.080 --> 01:54:59.080]  File it anyway.
[01:54:59.080 --> 01:55:00.280]  Okay.
[01:55:00.280 --> 01:55:08.920]  It never hurt if you have an inclusion of the UCC 3-501, their objection to the debt
[01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:15.800]  validation portion becomes moot as there is a UCC 3-501 request and it doesn't have those
[01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:16.800]  kinds of limitations.
[01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:23.680]  Okay, yeah, I took some other stuff and threw it into your validation form and I didn't
[01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:29.040]  put the request for the original note in there, so I'll go ahead and do that too.
[01:55:29.040 --> 01:55:31.960]  Okay, you don't have to quote UCC 3-501.
[01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:38.840]  Say please make available for my inspection the original instrument on which you base
[01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:42.360]  your claim.
[01:55:42.360 --> 01:55:47.880]  That invokes it without giving them a heads up on which one you're going to claim.
[01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:55.640]  Now do you send it to the law firm as well as the plaintiff?
[01:55:55.640 --> 01:56:02.680]  I send it to whoever made the last demand and it's generally the law firm or the servicer.
[01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:08.280]  Okay, because I was just going to have them send it to all three, the servicer, the plaintiff
[01:56:08.280 --> 01:56:10.280]  and the law firm.
[01:56:10.280 --> 01:56:13.280]  That won't hurt a thing.
[01:56:13.280 --> 01:56:24.400]  Oh, I wanted to say that it's probably not a good idea for anyone dealing with the government
[01:56:24.400 --> 01:56:31.800]  or the police or whatever to say I am the sovereign or because you have the Southern
[01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:37.640]  Poverty Law Center and the FBI and everybody working with local law enforcement to scare
[01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:43.520]  the police into thinking that these are dangerous people just because one guy who said he was
[01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:45.560]  sovereign ended up killing a cop.
[01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:50.760]  Now police all over the country are on the lookout for people who say they're sovereign,
[01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:54.880]  so we should avoid using that language, I think.
[01:56:54.880 --> 01:57:01.160]  Yeah, I never use the term and you are exactly right because they have turned sovereign into
[01:57:01.160 --> 01:57:03.160]  a dirty word.
[01:57:03.160 --> 01:57:08.080]  The American Poverty Law Center has me and Debra listed on there.
[01:57:08.080 --> 01:57:10.760]  They hurt my feelings.
[01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:12.800]  But yeah, I agree.
[01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:23.280]  Don't do anything if you can avoid it that will necessarily evoke a negative response.
[01:57:23.280 --> 01:57:30.120]  And pro se's tend to feel like they have to give notice of law.
[01:57:30.120 --> 01:57:32.600]  They don't have to do any such thing.
[01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:35.000]  Scrooge VUS handled that.
[01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:37.640]  We don't have to notify them of anything.
[01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:44.960]  According to Scrooge, if a public official violates a ruling of this, what the Supreme
[01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:51.400]  Court said, if a public official violates a ruling of this court and he be sane, he
[01:57:51.400 --> 01:57:53.600]  may not be heard to say he knows not what he does.
[01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:55.120]  So you don't have to tell them anything.
[01:57:55.120 --> 01:57:57.560]  You don't have to advise them of anything.
[01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.320]  They already know as a matter of law.
[01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:03.000]  And it's really a bad idea to do that.
[01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:06.280]  That can only get you in a confrontation if you want to avoid those things.
[01:58:06.280 --> 01:58:08.140]  Thank you, Tony.
[01:58:08.140 --> 01:58:15.920]  We will be back tomorrow night at eight o'clock to midnight Central Time.
[01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:20.960]  It's our four hour info marathon and Doug, I'm sorry I didn't get to you tonight.
[01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:22.680]  Give us a call tomorrow.
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[01:58:24.360 --> 01:58:29.320]  The earlier you call in the better because it tends to build up toward the end, especially
[01:58:29.320 --> 01:58:34.600]  when we get really good questions on good issues like we did tonight.
[01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:38.000]  We get to discuss some really fun issues.
[01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:39.000]  Okay.
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