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[00:18.000 --> 00:25.000]  7th, 2013. Gold opened today at $1,677, silver at $31.81, and bitcoin is trading at $21.32.
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[00:39.000 --> 00:45.000]  And now the news. President Obama's healthcare law will push 7 million people out of their
[00:46.000 --> 00:50.000]  job-based insurance coverage, nearly twice the previous estimate according to the latest
[00:50.000 --> 00:55.000]  estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday. CBO said that this year's
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[01:20.000 --> 01:25.000]  Get ready for scan and frisk. Last week, NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly announced that
[01:26.000 --> 01:30.000]  the department has just received a machine that reads terahertz radiation and allows
[01:31.000 --> 01:36.000]  police to view concealed weapons from a distance. The NYPD is planning to mount these naked
[01:37.000 --> 01:42.000]  body scanners, like used in airports, to the back of NYPD cruisers to scan pedestrians
[01:42.000 --> 01:49.000]  on the street. MIT put out a report in 2009 titled, How Terahertz Waves Tear Apart DNA,
[01:50.000 --> 01:54.000]  so there is concern about the health risks of the public being scanned, possibly on a
[01:55.000 --> 01:59.000]  routine basis, and what types of cancers that might lead to in the future.
[02:00.000 --> 02:04.000]  Whether these machines are safe health-wise does not address the blatant violation of the
[02:05.000 --> 02:09.000]  Bill of Rights, with random, unwarranted searches being performed without consent and
[02:09.000 --> 02:12.000]  seemingly without knowledge of people on the street.
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[02:17.000 --> 02:21.000]  Saturday mail may soon go the way of the Pony Express and penny postcards. The Postal
[02:22.000 --> 02:25.000]  Service said Wednesday that it plans to cut back to a five-day-a-week delivery for
[02:26.000 --> 02:29.000]  everything except packages to stem its financial losses in a world radically reordered by
[02:30.000 --> 02:34.000]  the Internet. Our financial condition is urgent, declared Postmaster General Patrick
[02:34.000 --> 02:38.000]  Donohue, but Congress has voted in the past to bar the idea of eliminating Saturday
[02:39.000 --> 02:42.000]  delivery, and his announcement immediately drew protest from some lawmakers.
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[05:46.000 --> 06:02.000]  This is Debra Stevens. I am here with my co-host Randy Kelton. I apologize for the lateness in getting on the air. Tonight is Thursday, February 7th, 2013. We were getting our VIP guests on the line here.
[06:02.000 --> 06:21.000]  Folks, tonight we have two very important guests with us. We are going to be covering a story. This isn't going to be the first show that we're going to cover this story. We're going to be devoting time on this show in the upcoming weeks to this story and following this case.
[06:21.000 --> 06:34.000]  And many of you out there in our listening audience may have heard of this case already. It's becoming extremely high profile. This is the case of Ryan Ferguson.
[06:34.000 --> 06:52.000]  Alright, and this has been covered by mainstream media. There's a very high profile murder case. Ryan Ferguson was convicted in 2005 of the 2001 murder of Columbia Daily Tribune sports editor Kent Heitholt.
[06:52.000 --> 07:09.000]  And he is currently serving a 40-year sentence. However, evidence has come out, I would say very convincing evidence has come out, that Ryan Ferguson was not the guilty party in this murder.
[07:09.000 --> 07:28.000]  In fact, I'm shocked that this man was ever convicted in the first place. I've read some about the case. There are a lot of details. I haven't had a chance to go over the whole case. Randy has read the petition for writ of habeas corpus. He's going to be discussing that later as well.
[07:28.000 --> 07:45.000]  But there is a movement, a national movement to free Ryan Ferguson. And here at Logos Radio Network, we are on board the Free Ryan Ferguson movement here. There are a couple of websites I would like to give out.
[07:45.000 --> 08:04.000]  There's the RyanFergusonAmericanFreedomTour.org and that's R-Y-A-N-F-E-R-G-U-S-O-N AmericanFreedomTour.org. And then to find out more about the case, you can go to FreeRyanFerguson.com.
[08:04.000 --> 08:25.000]  And that again, F-R-E-E-R-Y-A-N-F-E-R-G-U-S-O-N, FreeRyanFerguson.com. There are people on board. There's more people coming on board every day. We've got New York Times bestselling authors that are supporting this, musicians. We are now supporting this.
[08:25.000 --> 08:41.000]  And tonight, we have a couple of guests on. We've got Mr. David Fraser, who is a musician. He has written a song about this case. And we will be playing that song coming into the next segment. You folks out there will be able to hear it.
[08:41.000 --> 08:59.000]  And we also have Bill Ferguson on. He is the father of Ryan Ferguson and he is going to be breaking it down for us just what happened here, this terribly tragic event. And I would like to welcome both of them to the show tonight. David, welcome to the show.
[08:59.000 --> 09:00.000]  Thanks, Deborah.
[09:00.000 --> 09:05.000]  All right. And Bill, Mr. Ferguson, thank you and welcome to the show.
[09:05.000 --> 09:06.000]  Thank you so much.
[09:06.000 --> 09:22.000]  All right. Bill, I would like to give you the floor first. If you could please just tell us what happened here. This is a two-hour show. Y'all can have as much time as you like. We will be taking calls later on in the show.
[09:22.000 --> 09:39.000]  But let's just go over the facts here. What happened here with this event? This is a high-profile murder case. And I mean, from what I've read, I mean, there's just basically no concrete evidence whatsoever connecting your son to this.
[09:39.000 --> 09:58.000]  It's mind-boggling how he was ever convicted in the first place. It looks like it all boils down to a prosecutor trying to advance his career. But let me just let you tell the story here. So if you would, Bill, please tell us what happened.
[09:58.000 --> 10:21.000]  Well, unfortunately, we did have a tragic event that occurred here in Columbia, Missouri. And that event was the murder of Kent Heihot, the sports editor for the Columbia Tribune newspaper. And that occurred on October or Halloween night, 2001.
[10:21.000 --> 10:49.000]  The crime was not solved. It was investigated for two and a half years or thereabouts. And then in March of 2004, the police arrested Charles Erickson after he had told a couple of his friends, after he was inebriated, that he thought perhaps he may have had something to do with the crime in the form of a dream.
[10:49.000 --> 11:07.000]  He wasn't certain. And as a result of his arrest, then he implicated my son, Ryan, as well. And so then the story takes off from March the 14th, 2004.
[11:07.000 --> 11:26.000]  And then what proceeded from that point is that there's a video that could be seen. That video was called Have You Ever Had a Cop in Your Face, Part 1. And we did a whole series of those.
[11:26.000 --> 11:42.000]  And in that one, we show the police interrogation in which they talked to Charles Erickson and asked him how many times did he strike the victim. And he said on three different occasions, once.
[11:42.000 --> 11:59.000]  But that wasn't the correct answer. In actual fact, the victim had been struck 11 times. And so essentially, Detective Short, the person conducting the interview or the interrogation, gave him the correct answer.
[11:59.000 --> 12:17.000]  Then they asked him what was used to strangle the victim. And Charles Erickson first guessed hands. Then he guessed a shirt from the victim's car. And then he guessed a bungee cord.
[12:17.000 --> 12:30.000]  And eventually, he just gave up. And then said that the detective told him what the weapon was and it was a belt. And I hope this is going through okay.
[12:30.000 --> 12:43.000]  Oh, yes. Oh, yes. We're understanding just fine. The investigator is basically feeding him information saying, no, wrong answer, wrong answer. It was this, wasn't it? It was this, wasn't it?
[12:43.000 --> 12:52.000]  And from the information that I had read on the website, apparently some of this information had not even been released to the public at the time.
[12:52.000 --> 13:03.000]  Well, that is correct. As a matter of fact, the two things I just mentioned, the number of times the victim was struck and what was actually used to commit the strangulation, that was not released.
[13:03.000 --> 13:14.000]  And so that's when we started the term that, and that became my nickname on the blog, was spoon fed.
[13:14.000 --> 13:24.000]  Because as you correctly said, the information was spoon fed to Charles Erickson who, if the detective had not given him that information, he would have never guessed.
[13:24.000 --> 13:44.000]  So then the next thing that would happen is that Charles Erickson was given, now we realize, the problem was in the beginning, no one could figure out why Charles Erickson would admit to a murder unless he had committed the murder.
[13:44.000 --> 14:06.000]  Why would he admit to something that he did not do? So that was baffling to everybody. So we go to trial, Ryan, well, in the meantime, Charles Erickson took a plea agreement with the Boone County and the prosecutor to plea against Ryan for a reduced sentence.
[14:06.000 --> 14:18.000]  So in theory, he would be getting out in 2016 because he got a shortened sentence, that's my understanding of the sentence at this point, and if he would plea against Ryan.
[14:18.000 --> 14:25.000]  And Ryan has never changed his story one syllable. He always said he was not there, he had nothing to do with it.
[14:25.000 --> 14:47.000]  But nevertheless, we had the trial in October 2005 and the jury found Ryan guilty. I believe the main reason they found him guilty is because they could not understand why his co-defendant, Charles Erickson, would plead guilty and serve time for a crime he did not commit.
[14:47.000 --> 14:55.000]  So in the eyes of the jury and the public, he must have committed that crime or otherwise he would not have admitted to it.
[14:55.000 --> 15:06.000]  Then we find out as time goes on, we've had many, many appeals since 2004, but each time we discover new evidence.
[15:06.000 --> 15:19.000]  So now where we are is that we realize that prosecutor Crane had given Erickson false police reports and false witness reports.
[15:19.000 --> 15:42.000]  When Erickson read those reports, he had the impression that there were two different witnesses, a Dallas Mallory and a Shawna Arndt, that were giving witness reports to police reports saying that they actually saw Ryan and Chuck at the crime scene.
[15:42.000 --> 16:01.000]  But in actual fact, that was not true. But Chuck believed it. Then they gave Chuck or Charles three or four different police reports from various other people also saying that Ryan was confessing that Ryan had implicated himself, which was not true.
[16:01.000 --> 16:12.000]  And then another person that Ryan was in Boone County jail with had come forward to the police to say that Ryan had confessed to him, and his name was Richard Walker.
[16:12.000 --> 16:24.000]  He was a man about 50 years old. We found out that this information had all been given to Erickson without any rebuttal, without anybody refuting this.
[16:24.000 --> 16:34.000]  But in the meantime, we interviewed each one of these witnesses and found out and showed them the reports, and they denied saying no say.
[16:34.000 --> 16:43.000]  Okay, we have to go to break. Bill, just hold on one moment, please. We'll be back in a couple of minutes. This is a very compelling story.
[16:43.000 --> 16:50.000]  We want to get it out here, and we will be spending time over the next few weeks on this story here on the rule of law.
[16:50.000 --> 16:57.000]  And when we get back on the other side, we will hear David Fraser's song about this case. We'll be right back, folks.
[17:20.000 --> 17:23.000]  We'll be right back.
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[19:15.000 --> 19:19.000]  Ryan Ferguson's conviction was the result of the testimony of Chuck Erikson.
[19:19.000 --> 19:23.000]  He said he helped Ferguson kill Kent Heidl.
[19:23.000 --> 19:27.000]  Finally, interrogation expert Joseph Buckley watched Erikson's interrogation video.
[19:27.000 --> 19:30.000]  He says detectives made a huge mistake.
[19:30.000 --> 19:36.000]  Where somebody walks in and voluntarily confesses, then it becomes paramount to have them give you details.
[19:36.000 --> 19:38.000]  Only the guilt you would know.
[19:38.000 --> 19:41.000]  Buckley says detectives fed Erikson information.
[19:41.000 --> 19:47.000]  So you're hearing a key witness in the Ryan Ferguson case make new accusations against prosecutors.
[19:47.000 --> 19:51.000]  Columbia, Missouri in the middle of town.
[19:51.000 --> 19:55.000]  They found a newsman dead and there was blood on the ground.
[19:55.000 --> 19:59.000]  No eyewitnesses and no killers found.
[19:59.000 --> 20:03.000]  And then two years passed.
[20:03.000 --> 20:07.000]  No weapon, no motive, no DNA.
[20:07.000 --> 20:11.000]  No reason for you to take my boy away.
[20:11.000 --> 20:15.000]  Just some fuzzy dreams that are different each day.
[20:15.000 --> 20:19.000]  Can you convict him with that?
[20:19.000 --> 20:23.000]  We've all done things that we regret.
[20:23.000 --> 20:27.000]  But the truth will come out in this life of an act.
[20:27.000 --> 20:31.000]  Set him free, set him free as fast as you can.
[20:31.000 --> 20:35.000]  Your jail cell is holding an innocent man.
[20:35.000 --> 20:39.000]  Set him free, set him free, we're taking a stand.
[20:39.000 --> 20:45.000]  We want justice for Ryan Ferguson.
[20:45.000 --> 20:49.000]  Both men now say they were lying during Ferguson's 2005 trial.
[20:49.000 --> 20:56.000]  They also say the prosecutor at the time, Kevin Crane, helped them with their false testimony.
[20:56.000 --> 21:00.000]  Judge Crane, Judge Crane, with a smile on his face.
[21:00.000 --> 21:04.000]  You let a killer go free and made a boy take his place.
[21:04.000 --> 21:08.000]  There are things you've done you can never erase.
[21:08.000 --> 21:12.000]  But you can still come clean.
[21:12.000 --> 21:16.000]  We've all done things that we regret.
[21:16.000 --> 21:20.000]  But the truth will come out in this life of an act.
[21:20.000 --> 21:24.000]  Set him free, set him free as fast as you can.
[21:24.000 --> 21:28.000]  All right, set him free, set him free as fast as you can.
[21:28.000 --> 21:36.000]  That is Justice for Ryan Ferguson, the song written by David Kevin Fraser, who is on the air with us right now.
[21:36.000 --> 21:39.000]  We are going to be going to him in just a few minutes.
[21:39.000 --> 21:43.000]  But first we want to go back to Bill Ferguson.
[21:43.000 --> 21:46.000]  This is Ryan's father here on the air with us right now.
[21:46.000 --> 21:50.000]  He is going to continue telling the story of what happened to his son.
[21:50.000 --> 21:56.000]  Okay, so apparently the prosecutor said that there were some witnesses that said something,
[21:56.000 --> 22:00.000]  but then later on these witnesses said, no, we never said that.
[22:00.000 --> 22:05.000]  So could you just back up a little bit and then continue the story, if you would, please, Bill?
[22:05.000 --> 22:07.000]  Of course, of course.
[22:07.000 --> 22:14.000]  Well, when Chuck was arrested that first morning,
[22:14.000 --> 22:23.000]  he told the police that after the crime, he ran from the crime scene about 15 seconds
[22:23.000 --> 22:31.000]  to the intersection of one of the busiest intersections in Columbia, which would have been Providence and Ash.
[22:31.000 --> 22:36.000]  And there he saw a friend of his, Dallas Mallory, and they had a conversation.
[22:36.000 --> 22:43.000]  So later on, whenever the – so obviously the police wanted to talk to Dallas Mallory.
[22:43.000 --> 22:45.000]  And they did.
[22:45.000 --> 22:49.000]  Dallas Mallory said, well, I didn't see Charles Erickson.
[22:49.000 --> 22:51.000]  This doesn't seem right to me.
[22:51.000 --> 22:58.000]  But Dallas Mallory told the police and the prosecutor, look, if he saw me,
[22:58.000 --> 23:05.000]  then he would know that I wore something unique on Halloween night, and he should know what that was.
[23:05.000 --> 23:12.000]  So they asked Charles Erickson if he knew what Dallas Mallory was wearing.
[23:12.000 --> 23:18.000]  And he correctly reported that it was a police uniform, which is rather ironic.
[23:18.000 --> 23:22.000]  And he goes, well, that's right, I was wearing a police uniform.
[23:22.000 --> 23:28.000]  But I did not see Charles Erickson or Ryan Ferguson, but they must have seen me.
[23:28.000 --> 23:32.000]  How else would he know I was wearing a police uniform?
[23:32.000 --> 23:39.000]  So that one statement alone convinced Chuck that, well, he must have been there committing the crime,
[23:39.000 --> 23:44.000]  because it was only 15 seconds, or actually he said five seconds now to think about it,
[23:44.000 --> 23:47.000]  from the crime scene at 2.30 in the morning.
[23:47.000 --> 23:49.000]  Why would he be there if that weren't the case?
[23:49.000 --> 23:51.000]  And why would Dallas make that up?
[23:51.000 --> 23:59.000]  Then two days after that, they gave him a couple of reports over the next two or three months.
[23:59.000 --> 24:05.000]  And these are various reports that Ryan and Chuck both knew from various witnesses.
[24:05.000 --> 24:12.000]  But these reports had been fabricated to implicate Ryan,
[24:12.000 --> 24:20.000]  to say that Ryan had told them that he had committed a crime, or that he was thinking about confessing,
[24:20.000 --> 24:25.000]  or that he remembers something horrible that happened that night, but he didn't want to talk about it.
[24:25.000 --> 24:34.000]  So when Chuck read these fabricated police reports from different people, he started thinking, well, wait a second.
[24:34.000 --> 24:39.000]  If they're saying this about Ryan, and these are different people, then that must be true.
[24:39.000 --> 24:47.000]  So we combine Dallas Mallory's eyewitness testimony, alleged eyewitness testimony, these three other reports,
[24:47.000 --> 24:55.000]  and then later on there was a Richard Walker, who was housed in the same pod as Ryan,
[24:55.000 --> 24:59.000]  coming to the police saying that Ryan had confessed to him.
[24:59.000 --> 25:01.000]  So then they gave that report to Charles Erickson.
[25:01.000 --> 25:11.000]  So now he's got someone saying that Ryan confessed, that he committed a murder, and that he was going to plea against Chuck.
[25:11.000 --> 25:16.000]  And so the police enforcement is saying, whoever pleas first will get the best deal.
[25:16.000 --> 25:21.000]  One person will get 40 years or the death penalty, and the other one will get a reduced sentence.
[25:21.000 --> 25:26.000]  So obviously Chuck wanted to be that person that got the plea agreement.
[25:26.000 --> 25:30.000]  And so that's basically what happened.
[25:30.000 --> 25:40.000]  Then we had the trial. There wasn't another eyewitness, a Shawna Arndt, and she's the one that's drawn the two composite.
[25:40.000 --> 25:50.000]  And so she obviously talked to the prosecutor before the trial, because he wanted to know what she knew and what she would testify to.
[25:50.000 --> 25:57.000]  She told the prosecutor that that definitely was not Ryan Ferguson or Charles Erickson.
[25:57.000 --> 26:09.000]  In a story that came out in 2003, the chief of detectives said that Shawna Arndt was the only viable eyewitness to this crime.
[26:09.000 --> 26:13.000]  And so now she's telling the prosecutor it's not Ryan or Chuck.
[26:13.000 --> 26:25.000]  So when the trial took place, October 2005, the prosecutor did not ask Shawna Arndt to identify Ryan, who was just sitting about 30 feet from her from the witness stand.
[26:25.000 --> 26:29.000]  He didn't ask her, because he already knew what her answer was going to be.
[26:29.000 --> 26:36.000]  Charles Erickson testified against Ryan because he wanted the plea agreement.
[26:36.000 --> 26:45.000]  The plea agreement, or proffer, is an agreement that you will testify against your co-defendant, and for that you'll get a shorter sentence.
[26:45.000 --> 26:50.000]  So he was committed to do that. Or he would also get 40 years and possibly the death penalty.
[26:50.000 --> 27:08.000]  So Chuck was forced into this situation. So it's rather unique in that the prosecutor did not ask the most viable witness whether or not she could identify the person she saw in the parking lot that she did two composites.
[27:08.000 --> 27:15.000]  That's a big hint right there. I mean, that's a major point that people need to take into consideration.
[27:15.000 --> 27:17.000]  Why wouldn't he ask that question?
[27:17.000 --> 27:22.000]  The defense didn't ask for that question because they didn't know what her answer would be.
[27:22.000 --> 27:36.000]  So Shawna Arndt, the most viable witness in the entire scenario, was never asked on the witness stand was it or was it not Ryan, the person she did the composites of, and the person she saw.
[27:36.000 --> 27:38.000]  So that just went to the wayside.
[27:38.000 --> 27:43.000]  But there was a witness, another witness. His name was Jerry Trump.
[27:43.000 --> 27:51.000]  Now Shawna Arndt's coworker was Jerry Trump. They were both custodians.
[27:51.000 --> 27:57.000]  And so at first she saw something in the parking lot. She went back and got her coworker.
[27:57.000 --> 28:03.000]  They came back to the dock door and they're looking out into the parking lot.
[28:03.000 --> 28:08.000]  And now the two people behind the car emerge. They stand up.
[28:08.000 --> 28:15.000]  And Shawna Arndt identifies, or doesn't recognize, but she sees the person behind the car.
[28:15.000 --> 28:19.000]  And so does Jerry Trump, or at least we thought he did.
[28:19.000 --> 28:33.000]  Then we find out later during the trial that they didn't ask Shawna Arndt if she could identify the person behind the car, but they did ask Jerry Trump.
[28:33.000 --> 28:47.000]  And Jerry Trump said that while he was in prison, he had a five-year sentence and he served three of the five years, and he was released about a year before the trial.
[28:47.000 --> 28:52.000]  And when he was released, he went to the prosecutor's office.
[28:52.000 --> 28:57.000]  The prosecutor asked him, tell us what you saw in the parking lot.
[28:57.000 --> 29:07.000]  And Jerry Trump allegedly told the prosecutor that his wife had sent him a copy of the newspaper when Ron and Chuck were arrested.
[29:07.000 --> 29:15.000]  And when he opened the newspaper while he was in prison, he immediately recognized their photographs as two people he saw in the parking lot.
[29:15.000 --> 29:21.000]  So when he took the witness stand, Prosecutor Crane asked him if he could identify Ron.
[29:21.000 --> 29:37.000]  Now, though, Jerry Trump didn't join as a composite the night of the crime and until the trial, until he talked to Prosecutor Crane in 2004, and nobody had ever talked to him.
[29:37.000 --> 29:46.000]  Yeah, so what does he have to do with identifying Ryan when he never witnessed him being there?
[29:46.000 --> 29:50.000]  I mean, this is getting crazier by the minute.
[29:50.000 --> 30:00.000]  Okay, we are going to break. Gentlemen, just please hold on. We will be right back on the other side. This is the rule of law.
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[33:54.000 --> 33:56.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[33:56.000 --> 34:02.000]  We are here with Bill Ferguson, the father of Ryan Ferguson, who was wrongfully convicted.
[34:02.000 --> 34:05.000]  This story is amazing.
[34:05.000 --> 34:13.000]  I just can't believe that a jury convicted Ryan on no evidence like that, but here we go.
[34:13.000 --> 34:18.000]  You know, it's like when you've got a corrupt prosecutor that can manipulate things, this is what happens.
[34:18.000 --> 34:21.000]  All right, so we're continuing on with the story.
[34:21.000 --> 34:27.000]  So, Bill, just back up a little bit and tell us again about this Jerry Trump individual
[34:27.000 --> 34:33.000]  and how he was involved and how the prosecutor was calling on him, but he wasn't actually a witness.
[34:33.000 --> 34:36.000]  So go over that again for us and continue, please.
[34:36.000 --> 34:44.000]  Okay, well, what we have is Jerry Trump taking the stand and the prosecutor walking into his testimony
[34:44.000 --> 34:52.000]  and saying, can you identify Ryan as the person you saw in the parking lot and Jerry Trump said, yes, that's him.
[34:52.000 --> 34:53.000]  That's the person.
[34:53.000 --> 34:56.000]  And the prosecutor says, well, how do you know that?
[34:56.000 --> 35:05.000]  And he says, because my wife sent the newspaper clippings when he was arrested and I recognized Ryan Ferguson immediately.
[35:05.000 --> 35:08.000]  And that's how I know he's the person.
[35:08.000 --> 35:15.000]  And that was very significant because, you know, he points his finger right at Ryan and you can see it in 48 hours
[35:15.000 --> 35:17.000]  and in the daylight where he does that.
[35:17.000 --> 35:23.000]  It's a telling time of the case and it makes Ryan look very bad.
[35:23.000 --> 35:32.000]  But then we find out later, after we started interviewing people and gathering evidence over these nine years,
[35:32.000 --> 35:42.000]  that in fact within two weeks of the murder, Jerry Trump had told his brother-in-law, his sister, his employer,
[35:42.000 --> 35:53.000]  and two probationary officers that he could not see the faces of the perpetrators in the, of the alleged perpetrators in the parking lot.
[35:53.000 --> 35:56.000]  So then that would have been in 2001.
[35:56.000 --> 36:06.000]  Now in 2004, he goes in to see Prosecutor Crane and people say, well, why would Jerry Trump make up a story like that?
[36:06.000 --> 36:19.000]  What people don't realize is Jerry Trump had just served or was sentenced to five years of prison for a felony involved in his crime.
[36:19.000 --> 36:29.000]  And so, but he was released after three years, which means that when Jerry Trump went to prosecutor Crane's office,
[36:29.000 --> 36:39.000]  December the 21st, 2004, he had two more years of probation hanging over his head like a guillotine.
[36:39.000 --> 36:46.000]  And Jerry Trump knew that if he did not cooperate with the prosecutor, he would hear the guillotine coming down
[36:46.000 --> 36:50.000]  and he would be going back to prison for those additional two years.
[36:50.000 --> 36:52.000]  That's why he cooperated.
[36:52.000 --> 36:59.000]  And so then, of course we didn't know that, but we were able to piece together.
[36:59.000 --> 37:08.000]  Then, now we move the clock ahead to April of last year and Jerry Trump took the stand, the witness stand,
[37:08.000 --> 37:12.000]  and you may have seen this on television, we have it on YouTube,
[37:12.000 --> 37:23.000]  and it's on the dateline of 48 hours where Jerry Trump confessed during the habeas hearing that he committed perjury.
[37:23.000 --> 37:34.000]  He committed perjury and he said he did it because he was aided and abetted by Prosecutor Crane to lie about his witness testimony.
[37:34.000 --> 37:38.000]  And he asked for Ryan's forgiveness while he was on the witness stand.
[37:38.000 --> 37:44.000]  It was a very moving situation and a lot of people say, well, he's just lying, he's just doing that.
[37:44.000 --> 37:52.000]  Well, if that's the case, well, people don't realize that if you commit perjury in Missouri in a murder case
[37:52.000 --> 38:01.000]  and it helps to lead to the conviction, then you are subject, you're jeopardizing yourself to a ten-year prison sentence.
[38:01.000 --> 38:07.000]  So if Jerry Trump had never said anything, then nothing would have ever happened.
[38:07.000 --> 38:14.000]  But for him to come forth and jeopardize himself and expose himself to this ten-year prison sentence,
[38:14.000 --> 38:19.000]  then I would think that is about as strong a credibility as a person could get.
[38:19.000 --> 38:22.000]  Well, is he being prosecuted for perjury right now?
[38:22.000 --> 38:27.000]  Right now, the state's not saying anything because that makes them look bad.
[38:27.000 --> 38:32.000]  So they're just waiting to see what our appeal will do.
[38:32.000 --> 38:37.000]  And here is something else that is very interesting about this Jerry Trump individual.
[38:37.000 --> 38:44.000]  And we can get into some of the analysis later, but I just wanted to drop this on the air from what I had read on the website
[38:44.000 --> 38:48.000]  concerning all of this and the timeline, which is very extensive and detailed.
[38:48.000 --> 38:54.000]  But Jerry Trump was also the last person to ever see the victim alive.
[38:54.000 --> 39:01.000]  And apparently, according to the timeline on the FreerionFerguson.com website,
[39:01.000 --> 39:04.000]  he was never thoroughly investigated.
[39:04.000 --> 39:11.000]  As far as, I mean, generally the last person to see someone alive, they are grilled to the hilt.
[39:11.000 --> 39:15.000]  And apparently, Jerry was never really grilled or investigated that hard.
[39:15.000 --> 39:18.000]  Well, actually, I need to make a correction there.
[39:18.000 --> 39:21.000]  That wasn't Jerry Trump that you're referring to. That's Michael Boyd.
[39:21.000 --> 39:25.000]  Oh, okay. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. I must have misread.
[39:25.000 --> 39:30.000]  And then all the things that you just said about Jerry Trump really is applicable to Michael Boyd.
[39:30.000 --> 39:36.000]  Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Well, please continue. I'm sorry. I got that incorrect.
[39:36.000 --> 39:41.000]  There's a lot of details here, and I thought it had said that Jerry Trump was the last one to see him alive.
[39:41.000 --> 39:43.000]  Okay, so please continue.
[39:43.000 --> 39:48.000]  Well, you're doing a marvelous job. There's so many details, and it is very complex, I must say.
[39:48.000 --> 39:52.000]  So I'm amazed that you have as good a grasp on it as you do.
[39:52.000 --> 40:00.000]  But to continue, in the same habeas hearing, well, first we go back to Michael Boyd.
[40:00.000 --> 40:06.000]  On the night of the murder, Michael Boyd was the last person to speak to the victim,
[40:06.000 --> 40:12.000]  and he gave two different police reports that night, police report 18 and police report 25.
[40:12.000 --> 40:21.000]  Unfortunately, the police were looking for two white boys, and Michael Boyd is an African American.
[40:21.000 --> 40:24.000]  So they never really paid any attention to him.
[40:24.000 --> 40:32.000]  But if you look at his police report 18 and you compare it to police report 25, just taken about 14 or 15 hours later,
[40:32.000 --> 40:36.000]  you can see that they're in contrast to each other.
[40:36.000 --> 40:39.000]  And so you can see, well, there's a problem right there.
[40:39.000 --> 40:42.000]  It's not like he lost his memory over two or three years.
[40:42.000 --> 40:49.000]  We're talking less than 24 hours. He's changing his story in a very radical way.
[40:49.000 --> 40:51.000]  And so there's something not right about that.
[40:51.000 --> 40:56.000]  But the police didn't pick up on that because, you know, quite honestly, the police here in Columbia, Missouri,
[40:56.000 --> 41:01.000]  don't really deal with mysteries. They deal with domestic violence.
[41:01.000 --> 41:06.000]  And so it's pretty obvious typically who the murderer is.
[41:06.000 --> 41:13.000]  So they really do a big-city murder case that's a mystery that's not obvious.
[41:13.000 --> 41:15.000]  They're just not equipped to do that.
[41:15.000 --> 41:18.000]  We just don't have that many murders, unfortunately, in Columbia, Missouri.
[41:18.000 --> 41:20.000]  So they missed that.
[41:20.000 --> 41:26.000]  So then to continue on, over the next few years I became suspicious
[41:26.000 --> 41:32.000]  and I sent various investigators to talk to Jerry Trump, two to be exact,
[41:32.000 --> 41:35.000]  and each time he would tell a different story.
[41:35.000 --> 41:42.000]  So over the time between the murder and his habeas hearing in April of 2012,
[41:42.000 --> 41:45.000]  he told five completely different stories.
[41:45.000 --> 41:50.000]  But then I realized that people were not really reading the statement
[41:50.000 --> 41:54.000]  because I discovered that people just don't like to read, but they will watch the video.
[41:54.000 --> 42:01.000]  So we did a video reenactment of all five of his stories and we put that on the web page.
[42:01.000 --> 42:08.000]  And once we did that, then people started understanding the significance of him changing his story all the time
[42:08.000 --> 42:10.000]  because you should only have one story.
[42:10.000 --> 42:15.000]  You should have to tell it five different times with five different variations of it.
[42:15.000 --> 42:20.000]  Nevertheless, we got it, but he never did make a sworn statement through all this.
[42:20.000 --> 42:22.000]  He never was questioned.
[42:22.000 --> 42:27.000]  He did get two police reports, but he never was questioned, fingerprinted, DNA, none of that ever happened.
[42:27.000 --> 42:35.000]  And then finally in October, I mean April 2012, he took the witness stand in the habeas hearing.
[42:35.000 --> 42:45.000]  And during his testimony, he admitted that, and he's never denied, he puts himself at the crime scene.
[42:45.000 --> 42:50.000]  He puts himself in the parking lot by himself with the victim.
[42:50.000 --> 42:55.000]  And basically he says that he preceded the victim out into the parking lot.
[42:55.000 --> 42:58.000]  He was waiting in his own car.
[42:58.000 --> 43:01.000]  He saw the victim come out to his car.
[43:01.000 --> 43:04.000]  Then he backed his car up, pulled up alongside of him.
[43:04.000 --> 43:07.000]  He said they had a two or three minute conversation.
[43:07.000 --> 43:14.000]  And then as he's departing the parking lot, within 10 feet, he almost runs over two other people.
[43:14.000 --> 43:16.000]  And then he departs the parking lot.
[43:16.000 --> 43:26.000]  Now he was never able to describe the age, sex, or race of these two people that he almost struck on his way out.
[43:26.000 --> 43:36.000]  And a key, an interesting part, or a key part, is that he says, his testimony is that he left the parking lot at 220.
[43:36.000 --> 43:37.000]  Okay.
[43:37.000 --> 43:38.000]  And it, yeah.
[43:38.000 --> 43:41.000]  All right, yes, so that was what he first said, that he left the parking lot at 220.
[43:41.000 --> 43:43.000]  All right, we are going to break.
[43:43.000 --> 43:45.000]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[43:45.000 --> 43:53.000]  We are here with Bill Ferguson, the father of Ryan Ferguson, who was wrongfully convicted of murder,
[43:53.000 --> 43:56.000]  where he had absolutely no connection whatsoever.
[43:56.000 --> 44:01.000]  We'll be right back, folks.
[44:01.000 --> 44:08.000]  Mr. President, members of Congress, you've been making a lot of noise about taking our guns away.
[44:08.000 --> 44:10.000]  But you might want to review history.
[44:10.000 --> 44:15.000]  1835, Gonzales, Texas territory.
[44:15.000 --> 44:19.000]  The authorities wanted to confiscate the big gun that protected that colony.
[44:19.000 --> 44:22.000]  You know what the people said?
[44:22.000 --> 44:29.000]  Come and take it, because they were willing to fight for their freedom and their guns.
[44:29.000 --> 44:30.000]  So are we.
[44:30.000 --> 44:33.000]  Come and take it if you want it.
[44:33.000 --> 44:36.000]  Come and take it if you think you can.
[44:36.000 --> 44:43.000]  Come and take it, but I warn you, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
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[44:54.000 --> 44:56.000]  One shot at a time.
[44:56.000 --> 45:00.000]  Just like Gonzales, we're keeping our guns.
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[46:13.000 --> 46:19.000]  Okay folks, we are back. This is the Rule of Law. We are here with Bill Ferguson, the father of Ryan Ferguson.
[46:19.000 --> 46:30.000]  We're talking about how his son Ryan was wrongfully convicted of murder, and all of the evidence leading up to this, and all of the malfeasance that happened.
[46:30.000 --> 46:37.000]  And we're going to get into a little bit of analysis later, but yeah, there's a lot of details here.
[46:37.000 --> 46:44.000]  But now we are talking about Michael Boyd, who was the last person to see him alive, and how he was changing his story.
[46:44.000 --> 46:49.000]  So, if you would, just back up a little bit, and then please continue, Bill.
[46:49.000 --> 47:02.000]  Okay, well, basically, over the crime, since Ryan was arrested, we started interviewing Michael Boyd through different investigators, and making note of his various stories.
[47:02.000 --> 47:10.000]  But none of these were sworn statements. And as we looked at those, we realized he's telling five different stories about the same event.
[47:10.000 --> 47:13.000]  So that story is suspicious in itself, needless to say.
[47:13.000 --> 47:20.000]  So eventually, April 2012, we got him to take the stand, and to tell a story.
[47:20.000 --> 47:28.000]  And the story he told was that he preceded the victim out into the parking lot at two o'clock in the morning.
[47:28.000 --> 47:34.000]  As he's sitting in his car, listening to music, he saw the victim come out to his car.
[47:34.000 --> 47:47.000]  He backed his car up, and spoke to the victim. After two or three minutes, he departed the parking lot, and almost ran over two other people coming up the alley, within ten feet of where the victim was.
[47:47.000 --> 48:02.000]  He testified that as he almost struck those two individuals, that he could not determine their age, sex, or race, that the reason that he didn't see them clearly, at first, is because he's looking in his rearview mirror at the victim.
[48:02.000 --> 48:07.000]  He said he saw the victim standing by his car, actually getting in his car.
[48:07.000 --> 48:13.000]  And then suddenly, he almost struck these two boys, and then he continued on out to the road and went home.
[48:13.000 --> 48:23.000]  Now, he says, and he's always said, that he departed the parking lot at 2.20. He's always been consistent about that.
[48:23.000 --> 48:38.000]  9-1-1 was called at 2.26. There's about a two or three minute period between the time that Shauna Hart and Jerry Trump saw the two boys, and then they made the 9-1-1 call.
[48:38.000 --> 48:45.000]  So, that means that they saw these two boys about 2.23.
[48:45.000 --> 48:57.000]  The forensic expert that also testified during the habeas hearing said that this murder took place over a certain period of time. That would be seven to eight minutes.
[48:57.000 --> 49:14.000]  So, that means that when Michael Boyd testified that he left the parking lot at 2.20, and now we have Shauna Hart and Jerry Trump saying they saw two boys about 2.23,
[49:14.000 --> 49:30.000]  that means that when Michael Boyd, as I understand it, as I see this sequence of events, and based on what the forensic expert is saying, that the victim was already dead before Michael Boyd departed the parking lot.
[49:30.000 --> 49:41.000]  Hopefully, that makes sense to everybody. So, the death of the victim would have had that happen, say, 2.17, somewhere in that period of time.
[49:41.000 --> 49:52.000]  So, I'm afraid that Michael Boyd has put himself in a very, very bad situation, but this didn't come out until the end of the habeas hearing.
[49:52.000 --> 50:02.000]  And now, we're taking all that information and we're appealing all this, and this is why I would consider new evidence, to the Western District Court.
[50:02.000 --> 50:17.000]  And, of course, we're saying Ryan is innocent, and so is Chuck, but we're saying that I think that we have discovered our Michael Boyd has, through his own testimony,
[50:17.000 --> 50:26.000]  has placed himself as the person in the parking lot with the victim while he was being killed.
[50:26.000 --> 50:34.000]  That seems to be the testimony that I understand. So, that's the situation we find ourselves in now.
[50:34.000 --> 50:40.000]  Now, wasn't there some other evidence about bloody footprints that don't match Ryan's shoe size either?
[50:40.000 --> 50:48.000]  Yeah, I'm just getting ready to elaborate on that. The day of Ryan's arrest, and Chuck's arrest, they were arrested on the same day,
[50:48.000 --> 50:56.000]  the detectives told Prosecutor Crane that there were bloody shoe prints that they were sure would match Ryan and Chuck.
[50:56.000 --> 51:01.000]  There was a hair in the hand of the victim that they were sure would match Ryan or Chuck.
[51:01.000 --> 51:06.000]  There were fingerprints on the victim's car that they could not match.
[51:06.000 --> 51:20.000]  There was two eyewitnesses, that would be Shawna Arndt and Dallas Mallory, and they found the tarp tool from Ryan's car in his car,
[51:20.000 --> 51:30.000]  which could be the assault weapon, and they said that they would logically find blood in Ryan's car.
[51:30.000 --> 51:37.000]  So, when you put all those things together, it would be a slam dunk that would be Ryan and Chuck.
[51:37.000 --> 51:44.000]  So, based on that information from the detectives, Prosecutor Crane charged them with first-degree murder.
[51:44.000 --> 51:58.000]  But, as the months moved on after the arrest, within four or five months, each one of those pieces of evidence proved to be faulty.
[51:58.000 --> 52:06.000]  The FBI said that the tarp tool was not involved in any crime, the shoe prints did not match Ryan or Chuck,
[52:06.000 --> 52:12.000]  the fingerprints didn't match Ryan or Chuck, the hair in the victim's hand didn't match Ryan, Chuck, or the victim,
[52:12.000 --> 52:20.000]  and there was no blood in Ryan's car. They used aluminol testing, so they couldn't find any blood there.
[52:20.000 --> 52:30.000]  And, both the witnesses have said that that was definitely not Ryan. One of them, Jerry Trump, saying that he committed perjury,
[52:30.000 --> 52:36.000]  aided and abetted by Prosecutor Crane, and Shawna Arndt said she never had the opportunity to testify.
[52:36.000 --> 52:46.000]  Now, later, in 2008, three years after Ryan's trial, we had an evidentiary hearing, and during that evidentiary hearing,
[52:46.000 --> 52:55.000]  she did get to testify, and she clearly testified, under oath, that the person she saw, that she'd do two composites of,
[52:55.000 --> 53:03.000]  was definitely not Ryan Ferguson, and we made a special YouTube that you can see on Ryan's webpage that shows her testimony,
[53:03.000 --> 53:13.000]  and also of Dallas Mallory's testimony, saying that he did not ever say that he saw Ryan and Chuck in the crime scene.
[53:13.000 --> 53:22.000]  Absolutely incredible. This is just unbelievable. So, how long has Ryan been in prison?
[53:22.000 --> 53:29.000]  Well, he's been in jail ever since March the 10th, 2004.
[53:29.000 --> 53:33.000]  And when was the habeas hearing?
[53:33.000 --> 53:42.000]  April 2012. He was in the Boone County Jail for a year and a half, and then after the trial, he was sent to the Missouri National Security Prison.
[53:42.000 --> 53:47.000]  So, that's where he's been since March 2004.
[53:47.000 --> 53:56.000]  All right. So, what is being done now? And I don't know, you may not have the answer to this question.
[53:56.000 --> 54:05.000]  One thing that is concerning me, you mentioned something about an appeal, but there's new evidence that has come out,
[54:05.000 --> 54:12.000]  and a lot of the time, in many states, you're not allowed to introduce new evidence on an appeal.
[54:12.000 --> 54:15.000]  You're only allowed to appeal what came out at the trial.
[54:15.000 --> 54:23.000]  So, how does this new evidence fit in with what y'all are doing now to get Ryan out?
[54:23.000 --> 54:32.000]  Well, actually, this is part of our habeas petition.
[54:32.000 --> 54:40.000]  So, we mentioned these things in the habeas petition because, see, we'd already done a deposition of the witnesses.
[54:40.000 --> 54:42.000]  So, we knew what they were going to say.
[54:42.000 --> 54:49.000]  And then, they actually did say it under oath, and the judge ruled against us.
[54:49.000 --> 54:52.000]  We think that he ruled incorrectly.
[54:52.000 --> 54:56.000]  Some people seem to think that he's protecting another judge at the same rank.
[54:56.000 --> 55:00.000]  I'm not subscribing to that.
[55:00.000 --> 55:08.000]  But we do think that he did make a mistake in the ruling, and he got a lot of factual points of the case incorrect.
[55:08.000 --> 55:14.000]  And we don't think that he ruled correctly with the rule of law.
[55:14.000 --> 55:21.000]  So, we're taking this whole package in a 150-page appeal, which you can see on Ryan's webpage.
[55:21.000 --> 55:29.000]  And if you read that, you'll see a real history of the case and better defined our position.
[55:29.000 --> 55:36.000]  And you can see the case much clearer by reading the appeal, and it's covered about 150 pages.
[55:36.000 --> 55:44.000]  And so, that's the gist of our appeal that was submitted to the Western District Court, and now we're just waiting for a court date.
[55:44.000 --> 55:46.000]  I understand.
[55:46.000 --> 55:51.000]  This is just, I mean, it's just like something out of a science fiction movie.
[55:51.000 --> 55:55.000]  I mean, it's just crazy that something like this can happen.
[55:55.000 --> 56:04.000]  And, you know, one thing I want to go back to, where you mentioned earlier that, you know, there was a speculation that,
[56:04.000 --> 56:13.000]  well, the jury must have convicted Ryan because of this other, you know, his so-called friend's testimony of the plea bargain.
[56:13.000 --> 56:20.000]  And why would he plea bargain for 25 years if he wasn't really involved with this?
[56:20.000 --> 56:29.000]  And, I mean, well, we talk about this all the time on this show, how prosecutors will turn the screws on innocent people,
[56:29.000 --> 56:35.000]  and basically it's like, look, it doesn't matter whether you're innocent or not, we're going to convict you,
[56:35.000 --> 56:40.000]  so you may as well plea so that you can get out of it with a lesser sentence.
[56:40.000 --> 56:44.000]  And I would wager to say that that's part of what happened here.
[56:44.000 --> 56:54.000]  But it also seems to be kind of a bizarre situation here that this person was basically having dreams that he thought he did it.
[56:54.000 --> 56:58.000]  I mean, he could have been psychologically deranged as well.
[56:58.000 --> 57:04.000]  I mean, there's several different options here of why this person did this.
[57:04.000 --> 57:08.000]  I think he does have some problems, definitely.
[57:08.000 --> 57:13.000]  But during that period of time, he would drink to the point that he would black out.
[57:13.000 --> 57:24.000]  So when Prosecutor Crane gave him these false police reports and these false witness reports, Charles Erickson, now we understand, was blacked out.
[57:24.000 --> 57:28.000]  He doesn't remember what happened after Ryan took him home.
[57:28.000 --> 57:31.000]  So he's thinking, well, gosh, I guess I could have done that.
[57:31.000 --> 57:36.000]  I mean, here I've got these witness reports saying that I did it, that Ryan did it, so we must have done it.
[57:36.000 --> 57:38.000]  But they were false reports.
[57:38.000 --> 57:41.000]  The false reports, exactly.
[57:41.000 --> 57:43.000]  But at the time, he thought they were true reports.
[57:43.000 --> 57:49.000]  He never dreamed that the prosecutor could get five or six false reports together from five or six different people.
[57:49.000 --> 57:53.000]  Well, as it turns out, those five or six people didn't say no say.
[57:53.000 --> 57:56.000]  They looked reported in their name.
[57:56.000 --> 58:01.000]  And now every one of those reports have been rejected by the so-called witnesses.
[58:01.000 --> 58:03.000]  Incredible.
[58:03.000 --> 58:07.000]  And also, you know, maybe one thing we can look at on the other side is the motive here.
[58:07.000 --> 58:12.000]  The motive apparently, according to the prosecutor, was robbery.
[58:12.000 --> 58:16.000]  But apparently the victim was struck 11 times in the tire area.
[58:16.000 --> 58:19.000]  I mean, that doesn't sound like a robbery motive.
[58:19.000 --> 58:25.000]  That sounds like a crime of passion to me, you know, or somebody who's really out of it.
[58:25.000 --> 58:28.000]  So anyway, we'll be talking about this some more on the other side.
[58:28.000 --> 58:30.000]  We are at the top of the hour break.
[58:30.000 --> 58:33.000]  We've got Bill Ferguson, Ryan Ferguson's father.
[58:33.000 --> 58:41.000]  We've also got David Fraser, a musician, songwriter, artist who is on board with the free Ryan Ferguson project.
[58:41.000 --> 58:42.000]  He has written a song.
[58:42.000 --> 58:44.000]  We'll be back on the other side.
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[01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:08.000]  Alright folks, we are back for hour two of the rule of law here on the Logos Radio Network.
[01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:12.000]  It is Thursday, February 7th, 2013.
[01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:18.000]  We are with our very special guest, Mr. Bill Ferguson, the father of Ryan Ferguson,
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.000]  telling his story about how his son was wrongfully convicted.
[01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:26.000]  Just an amazing story here.
[01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:34.000]  How many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands more cases are there like this?
[01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:38.000]  Of people being wrongfully convicted and juries manipulated by prosecutors
[01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:43.000]  just wanting another notch in their belt and looking to move up in their career.
[01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:49.000]  It's just such a horrible situation and I feel so sad for the state of our society
[01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.000]  and our country that it's gotten to the point where we have to launch
[01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:03.000]  major media campaigns and tours to try to get justice for an innocent person
[01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:09.000]  when if evidence comes out like this, you know,
[01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.000]  people should just do the right thing and let them out, okay?
[01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  Instead of us having to go through all this, but this is the nature of our system.
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:20.000]  They are looking to protect themselves in their own careers.
[01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:25.000]  They care little if nothing about justice and who is really guilty
[01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:30.000]  and who is really innocent. It's just all about advancing their career.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.000]  So I'm so sorry this has happened to you and your family, Bill.
[01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:39.000]  We here at Rule of Law and Logos Radio Network will do everything that we can
[01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.000]  to support your campaign to free your son.
[01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  I want to give out the websites here.
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.000]  Folks, to read more about this and to donate,
[01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.000]  to find out how you could volunteer to become part of the project,
[01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:56.000]  there is a tour that's going to be happening.
[01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  We're going to be talking about this.
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:02.000]  If you want to help be an organizer in your city, in your locality,
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.000]  we need volunteers.
[01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:07.000]  You can go to the website.
[01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.000]  I don't want to say the because that's not part of the URL, sorry.
[01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:16.000]  The websites are RyanFergusonAmericanFreedomTour.org,
[01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.000]  and that's spelled R-Y-A-N-F-E-R-G-U-S-O-N,
[01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.000]  AmericanFreedomTour.org.
[01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:26.000]  And then also to read more about the details of what's happened
[01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  and how to donate, you can go to FreeRyanFerguson.com.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:36.000]  And, Bill, if you would, please continue.
[01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:45.000]  I wanted to mention how David Fraser is helping to free Ryan Ferguson here.
[01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  Well, for myself, my family, and on behalf of Ryan,
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.000]  we are so excited.
[01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.000]  We haven't met David in person,
[01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:02.000]  but we've certainly seen his work and his craft and skill.
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.000]  He's written such a wonderful song about Ryan,
[01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:08.000]  and it has really caught on with the supporters.
[01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:12.000]  And I've discovered that people aren't big readers,
[01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.000]  but they love music and they love videos,
[01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  and David's song has really, I think, caught the spirit of Ryan's situation,
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.000]  and we just appreciate all of his efforts tremendously,
[01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  and I'm looking forward to meeting him in person so we can tell him in person.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.000]  He's just marvelous.
[01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  He's a real talent.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.000]  David.
[01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:36.000]  Thanks, Bill.
[01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:37.000]  Thank you, Bill.
[01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:41.000]  That seems a little over generous, but I appreciate it.
[01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.000]  David, we're just now bringing you into the conversation here.
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.000]  Thank you for hanging on the line for this past hour and listening to the story.
[01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.000]  I know you already know many of these details.
[01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:56.000]  Can you please tell us how you got involved in this case,
[01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.000]  and how did you get on board and get to the point of being part of this tour
[01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.000]  and writing the song?
[01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got involved here.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.000]  Okay, well, I'm calling you right now.
[01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  It's amazing technology.
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.000]  We're calling from around Toronto, Canada.
[01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  Bill's calling in from Missouri,
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:20.000]  and we're talking to you in Texas across the nation, so it's pretty cool.
[01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  But basically, my wife and I perform professionally here in Ontario,
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.000]  which is kind of Canada, right above Michigan.
[01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.000]  I sing and I play guitar, and my wife accompanies me on drums.
[01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.000]  Our night off is typically a Monday.
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.000]  That's like our weekend,
[01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:42.000]  and we like to stream American television shows like 48 Hour Mystery online.
[01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:47.000]  As Bill mentioned, that was one of the national news outlets that featured Ryan's story.
[01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.000]  We first heard about Ryan's case through the 48 Hours Mystery,
[01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  and we watch a lot of these cases of kind of these things
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.000]  where it's a mystery whodunit kind of thing.
[01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:02.000]  And then at the end, in a few sentences, they'll describe what happened,
[01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:07.000]  and the cliffhanger ending you expect when you watch the 48 Hours Mystery is going to be,
[01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000]  and then Ryan was released from jail and he was reunited with his family,
[01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.000]  and there's going to be this happy ending
[01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:16.000]  because the way the story on 48 Hours unfolds,
[01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.000]  it very much points towards Ryan's innocence.
[01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:22.000]  So we saw this 48 Hours Mystery,
[01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.000]  and I came to the conclusion that there's got to be another side of the story.
[01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.000]  I'm naturally a bit skeptical,
[01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.000]  and so I got a little bit obsessed with the story.
[01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.000]  Ryan's the same age as me.
[01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.000]  I think he's around 28 years old, if that's right, Bill.
[01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.000]  Yes, that's correct.
[01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:39.000]  I related to Tim on that level,
[01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.000]  and he kind of looks like my little brother, actually.
[01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.000]  And so anyways, I kind of got obsessed with the case.
[01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.000]  I started researching as much as I could,
[01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:52.000]  and I found the more evidence I dug up, as Bill has been so artfully articulating earlier,
[01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.000]  the more evidence you dig up,
[01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.000]  the more you realize there is no evidence.
[01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.000]  There's no physical evidence. There's no forensic evidence.
[01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.000]  There's no DNA evidence.
[01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.000]  And without getting into specifics, which I'm not really a liberty to do,
[01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:07.000]  that's really Kathleen Zellner's department and Bill's department,
[01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:11.000]  I believe 100% that Ryan is completely innocent and had nothing to do with this.
[01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  And basically the way you feel after you dig into this
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.000]  and you realize that an innocent man sitting in jail
[01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.000]  has been rotting for the last 9, 10 years of his life,
[01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.000]  you feel really frustrated, you feel that sense of injustice,
[01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000]  you feel helpless, and you feel powerless.
[01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.000]  And you feel like one little person, in my case up in Canada,
[01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.000]  that can't really do much about it, you know?
[01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:37.000]  And I guess that feeling of just frustration,
[01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.000]  whatever you want to call that feeling,
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  whatever you want to articulate that feeling,
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.000]  just in, you know, what can I do?
[01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  I guess I can do one small thing, which is write this song.
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.000]  And at first, that was all I did.
[01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.000]  It was just an emotional response to the injustice that I felt.
[01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:55.000]  And I didn't picture it going anywhere.
[01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.000]  It was just a personal response.
[01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.000]  And I started playing it locally at the concerts and the pubs
[01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.000]  and the venues that I play up here in Ontario.
[01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.000]  And people would come up to me and they would say,
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.000]  you know, you should send that song to the family.
[01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.000]  You should send that song to the family.
[01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.000]  And I guess, kind of upon my wife's insisting,
[01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.000]  we recorded a really terrible live version of the song at a pub one time,
[01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.000]  and I sent it in to Ryan's website.
[01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.000]  And I got a response back from Leslie, which is Ryan's mom,
[01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.000]  saying that she was crying
[01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.000]  and she thought the song was really emotionally impactful.
[01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.000]  And so the next day, I set the whole day aside
[01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.000]  and I recorded a better version of the song,
[01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  which is the one that you've been playing,
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.000]  that, you know, it incorporates news clips
[01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.000]  and sound bites from various elements of the case
[01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.000]  to try to get the story of Ryan Ferguson
[01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  out in a three and a half minute segment, you know, in a song format.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  Obviously, you can't go into the detail that Bill did,
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.000]  but I tried to kind of give an overview
[01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:01.000]  to get someone that is unfamiliar with the case interested.
[01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.000]  Well, you did a good job and it's a great song
[01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:12.000]  and, you know, music and the arts is an incredible conduit
[01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:17.000]  to get the message out for various different causes.
[01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.000]  And so we, yeah, I thank you also, and I'm just getting involved.
[01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:22.000]  I think it's great.
[01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:27.000]  We need people to be involved in these types of situations
[01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.000]  that come from all kinds of different backgrounds
[01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:37.000]  to bring their own talent to the table to get a job done.
[01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.000]  Yeah, it's funny you mention that.
[01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.000]  I'll talk later about the volunteer base
[01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:45.000]  that has kind of grown grassroots out of this movement.
[01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.000]  But when you say different backgrounds, different talents,
[01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  and different geographical locations,
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  I could give you a large list of all of those
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  because it's amazing the people that even, I mean,
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.000]  this movement started essentially three, four weeks ago,
[01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.000]  and the amount of people that have come to Ryan's Aid
[01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  and have volunteered on our website, it's unbelievable to me.
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.000]  It's inspiring everybody to talk to these people.
[01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  And, you know, I think what makes this, our movement, powerful
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.000]  and what makes this story powerful is just the fact that
[01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.000]  these people are coming from all different walks of life
[01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  and we're all relative strangers.
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.000]  Like, I don't know Ryan or the family personally
[01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:30.000]  other than, you know, our conversations over the phone.
[01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:36.000]  And there's people in, you know, Vancouver, British Columbia,
[01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:42.000]  people in Alaska, people in Michigan, people in California, Florida,
[01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.000]  basically all over the lower 48 states.
[01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.000]  And, you know, internationally there's Australian volunteers,
[01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  there's volunteers from the UK,
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  and we're all basically strangers essentially.
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.000]  We all looked at the facts and we don't want any of your listeners
[01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.000]  to take our word for it.
[01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.000]  The facts are there.
[01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.000]  They're public information.
[01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.000]  Come to your own conclusion.
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.000]  But the conclusion we've all come to is that
[01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.000]  an innocent man's in jail right now and we have to do something about that.
[01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:12.000]  And that's really the inspiration behind what we call
[01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:16.000]  the Ryan Ferguson American Freedom Tour.
[01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  Now, what is the goal of the tour?
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.000]  I'm sure part of it is to raise funds.
[01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:27.000]  There's considerable legal expense involved here.
[01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:33.000]  Are y'all also planning on maybe buying airtime for ads and PSAs
[01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.000]  and things like this on radio and television to get the word out?
[01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:42.000]  Is one of the goals to just put public pressure on the courts
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.000]  and, you know, the system to do the right thing here?
[01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:51.000]  Okay, well, if I could articulate our goal in one sentence,
[01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:56.000]  it would be to get Ryan Ferguson out of jail as quickly as possible.
[01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.000]  And then with that said, the bigger picture, of course,
[01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.000]  is the larger issue of wrongful conviction,
[01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.000]  which is, I mean, the more I learn about this,
[01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:11.000]  the more I realize that Ryan is just the tip of a ginormous iceberg,
[01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.000]  if I could make up a word like ginormous.
[01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  Of course.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:23.000]  I think that iceberg is probably bigger than you imagine.
[01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:24.000]  I'm sure it is.
[01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  We're in Texas, and recently we did a live show at the City of Austin Police Department
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:40.000]  where the chief of police was trying to get permission to take blood from suspects
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.000]  on the side of the highway to have his police officers do it.
[01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  And we bushwhacked him with a microphone when he came in the door and asked him,
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:48.000]  why would he do that?
[01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.000]  And he said, well, so he can gather more evidence.
[01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:52.000]  Well, why do you need more evidence?
[01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.000]  Well, so we can get more convictions.
[01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:58.000]  Why on earth do you need more convictions?
[01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:02.000]  I asked him, do you know what your conviction rate is now?
[01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  And he said, no, he gets 70 or 80.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:15.000]  I said, how about a little higher, 90 maybe, 95, 99.6?
[01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.000]  He said, no, that can't be.
[01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.000]  He called his statistician over.
[01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:26.000]  His statistician confirmed, 99.6.
[01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:31.000]  We are living in the worst police state the world has ever seen.
[01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:34.000]  For the most part, nobody knows it.
[01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  And it happens for, it's exactly what happened to Ryan.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:47.000]  The prosecutor felt at liberty to do anything he wanted to.
[01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:51.000]  He felt as if he would be protected from all sides,
[01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:54.000]  no matter how big a criminal he was.
[01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:02.000]  I want to know why he's not being prosecuted for camping all the way.
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[01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:39.000]  Okay, not going to fool us with the same old trick again,
[01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:42.000]  but boy, they sure will try. The bad guys sure will try.
[01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.000]  This is the rule of law.
[01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:49.000]  We're here talking to musician-artists David Fraser and Bill Ferguson,
[01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.000]  the father of Ryan Ferguson, this tragic, tragic case
[01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:56.000]  of what happened to Ryan Ferguson being wrongfully convicted.
[01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.000]  And just to bring the listeners back up to speed here
[01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:03.000]  on what the legal situation is right now with Ryan,
[01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.000]  all this new evidence started coming out as Ryan's family
[01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:10.000]  and attorneys started piecing together the evidence,
[01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.000]  something that the prosecutor should have done,
[01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:17.000]  and we're going to get into some analysis here in a little while
[01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:20.000]  concerning the prosecutorial misconduct.
[01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:24.000]  But before we get into that, just to recap,
[01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:29.000]  Ryan's status now is he is in prison, he has been convicted.
[01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.000]  All of this evidence started coming out after the fact.
[01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.000]  The family and the attorneys were able to piece together
[01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.000]  this evidence to exonerate Ryan.
[01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:44.000]  They put together a habeas, a petition for habeas corpus.
[01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:51.000]  That was denied probably for political reasons, I would imagine.
[01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.000]  I mean, this sort of thing happens all the time.
[01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.000]  The bad guys in the system have to protect each other,
[01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.000]  especially at the lower levels.
[01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:02.000]  If this lower-level judge granted the habeas,
[01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:05.000]  well, then that would have ended this prosecutor's career.
[01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.000]  We're going to get into that as well.
[01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:11.000]  So what I've seen, my experience, what ends up happening
[01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.000]  is that you don't get justice, real justice,
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:17.000]  until you get up into the higher levels of the court system
[01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.000]  because the lower-level people have to protect each other
[01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:23.000]  if they want to move up.
[01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:26.000]  So I would imagine that was the obvious reason
[01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.000]  why this judge denied this habeas.
[01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:34.000]  So now the habeas is on appeal, and Ryan and his family
[01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.000]  are awaiting the ruling of the appellate court in Missouri
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:41.000]  concerning the appeal of this habeas,
[01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:46.000]  and it's just slam-dunk information concerning Ryan's innocence.
[01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.000]  And so this is getting national attention.
[01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.000]  This case is starting to get national attention
[01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.000]  because it was a high-profile murder case to begin with,
[01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.000]  the murder of a journalist,
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.000]  and so more and more people are getting involved.
[01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:04.000]  David Fraser in Canada is involved, and so there is a tour.
[01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:10.000]  He's going on tour in the states to raise awareness, to raise money.
[01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.000]  You know, one thing Randy talks about all the time
[01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.000]  is that you have to make everything political
[01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.000]  if you really want to see some results.
[01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:21.000]  And so with enough media pressure and public pressure,
[01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:25.000]  we're hoping that the system will be shamed
[01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  into doing the right thing, if not at the appellate level,
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:33.000]  maybe at the Supreme Court of the state of Missouri.
[01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.000]  If that doesn't work, I'm sure they're going to take this thing
[01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.000]  all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States if necessary.
[01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:42.000]  So, David, tell us some more about the tour
[01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:45.000]  and some of the sub-goals of this tour
[01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.000]  because, you know, you have to have some little goals
[01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.000]  to reach the big goal, which is, of course,
[01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.000]  to get Ryan out as soon as possible.
[01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.000]  So tell us a little bit more.
[01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.000]  Okay, well, that's basically, I mean, we kind of talked about earlier,
[01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:04.000]  there's the main focus at this point is get Ryan out of jail as quickly as possible,
[01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.000]  but there is the bigger picture, which is, I mean,
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:12.000]  basically our slogan is we're compassionate people
[01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:15.000]  working together to eradicate wrongful convictions.
[01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.000]  So the bigger picture is wrongful conviction.
[01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  For Ryan's situation, for every Ryan that is public
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:27.000]  and has kind of a slam-dunk case that we feel Ryan does have,
[01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.000]  you've also got the whole iceberg that we mentioned earlier
[01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.000]  of people that maybe don't have the same voice as Ryan
[01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  or don't have the same, you know, evidence behind what they're saying,
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.000]  but they still are just as innocent.
[01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:47.000]  And so basically we want to raise money for three separate causes
[01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  if you could kind of subdivide our fundraising into.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:55.000]  And the first goal is a fund for wrongfully convicted persons
[01:23:55.000 --> 01:24:00.000]  such as Ryan Ferguson, so someone in a situation like Ryan Ferguson
[01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:06.000]  for their legal defense, for their re-entry back into society.
[01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:09.000]  So that's kind of the first pool of money.
[01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:13.000]  The second will be going towards upping an informant fund
[01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:17.000]  to find the true killers when an exoneration happens.
[01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:22.000]  So, I mean, Kent Heinholz's killer is still out there.
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:26.000]  Someone killed him and has not served time for that.
[01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.000]  Someone has basically got off.
[01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.000]  So that's the second aspect is upping an informant fund.
[01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:37.000]  And then the third is a donation to Innocence Project,
[01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:42.000]  who their main function is to using DNA evidence
[01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:47.000]  to exonerate persons like Ryan who have been wrongfully convicted.
[01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.000]  Those are the three fundraising outlets of where is the money going to go?
[01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.000]  That's where it's going to go.
[01:24:53.000 --> 01:25:00.000]  And the tour itself is going to look like it's going to be a 48-state tour
[01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.000]  starting in Columbia, Missouri, ending in Columbia, Missouri.
[01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:10.000]  It will take place starting in April or early April of this year.
[01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.000]  It will end 90 days after that.
[01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:16.000]  All right. Excellent.
[01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:25.000]  All right. Now, I would like to get into a little bit here about this legal situation.
[01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:30.000]  I was discussing this with Randy before the show,
[01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:36.000]  and I asked Randy to read over his petition for writ of habeas corpus
[01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:41.000]  since Randy, he is like the habeas guy around here, the habeas expert.
[01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:47.000]  He has his own habeas that he uses for state court here in Texas.
[01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:53.000]  So, Randy, what is your take on this from a legal perspective
[01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:57.000]  after reading the petition for habeas corpus here?
[01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.000]  What is your analysis?
[01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:05.000]  Well, in reading the habeas, the evidence seems overwhelming
[01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:12.000]  that the prosecuting attorney, that the police, and all of those
[01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:18.000]  that are part of the prosecutorial team engaged in what can only be construed
[01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:25.000]  as a criminal conspiracy to tamper with witnesses and obstruct justice.
[01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:34.000]  From the evidence, from what is in the habeas, that is absolutely crystal clear.
[01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:44.000]  Has anyone pursued action against the police and prosecutors?
[01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:50.000]  The reason I say this, as Deborah mentioned earlier, about what I say on the radio,
[01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.000]  I say you are never going to win your case because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.000]  To think so is naive.
[01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.000]  It is not that way now.
[01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:07.000]  It never has been that way for the last 6,000 years.
[01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.000]  The courts are corrupt.
[01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.000]  You will never win your case because you have the law and the facts on your side.
[01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:19.000]  You will win your case if you have the politics on your side and all politics is local.
[01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:24.000]  So always I look at how can we create a little local politics.
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:36.000]  If you have a prosecutor who is now a judge, they are all going to want to protect that judge at all costs.
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.000]  Yes, that's what I was saying earlier.
[01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.000]  That's the obvious reason why the habeas was denied the first time around.
[01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.000]  Yes, so good right for his throat.
[01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:56.000]  And by the way, we do need to mention that the reward that this prosecutor got for wrongfully convicting Ryan and his friend Chuck is that he did advance his career to judge.
[01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.000]  So I just wanted to make that clear.
[01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.000]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:09.000]  My suggestion is consider criminal accusations against the prosecutor and the police for tampering with witnesses.
[01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:22.000]  The investigator who gave undisclosed evidence to a confused witness was tampering with the witness for the purpose of obstruction of justice.
[01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.000]  In Texas, those are felonies.
[01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.000]  Yeah, now there is videotape of that. Is that correct?
[01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:28.000]  Yes.
[01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000]  Yeah, so that's on video. That's public record.
[01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:37.000]  Lawyers don't do this. We're not lawyers. We don't live in a lawyer box.
[01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:48.000]  We're not lawyers. We don't have to worry about a judge pulling our bar card at the drop of a hat or ruling against our clients at his whim.
[01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:51.000]  So we can think differently.
[01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.000]  They're going to want to protect this judge.
[01:28:54.000 --> 01:29:08.000]  So if there's a movement out there to crucify the prosecutor, if you can disqualify the prosecutor, you disqualify the case, that gives you another claim.
[01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  And if you start pushing to disqualify the prosecutor, especially to get him prosecuted for his criminal behavior, that's going to give the other side a political reason to make this case go away.
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:35.000]  Until you do that, they are not going to care what you do.
[01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:41.000]  All right. Well, listen, we are going to break. I'd like, Bill, to address that on the other side to answer the question.
[01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:48.000]  Is anything being done yet to try to deal with this rogue prosecutor who is now judge?
[01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:54.000]  Folks, if you'd like to call in to support Ryan, make a comment if you have questions.
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[01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.000]  Okay folks, we are back. This is the rule of law.
[01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:58.000]  I am one of your hosts, Debra Stevens. I'm here with Randy Kelton.
[01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:04.000]  We are here with Bill Ferguson, Ryan Ferguson's father who was wrongfully convicted.
[01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:10.000]  It's just heartbreaking to hear stories like this and to know that there have to be
[01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:15.000]  tens if not hundreds of thousands if not more cases like this.
[01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:23.000]  And before we go back to Bill, one thing that I wanted to read to the listeners on this site,
[01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:28.000]  FreeRyanFerguson.com, if you click on the button at the top that says Ryan,
[01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:34.000]  and you'll see about Ryan and there's a flyer for Ryan and it shows pictures of Ryan.
[01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:40.000]  Here is a note that he pinned in his own hand during the trial.
[01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:46.000]  It says here, I'm going to read this, as I sit here now writing this, I don't know what to think.
[01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:52.000]  All I keep saying to myself is please don't convict me of something I didn't do
[01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:57.000]  and please don't take my life for something I have no involvement in.
[01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:01.000]  I've never been more visibly shaken and scared in my life.
[01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:05.000]  How can these people possibly think I committed this crime?
[01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.000]  I'm innocent. And he underlines it.
[01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:12.000]  And if you look, I mean I'm just on the verge of tears here.
[01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:17.000]  I mean I don't know this person but just to see when you read something,
[01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:20.000]  and this isn't just like a Word document.
[01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:26.000]  This is a JPEG image of what he wrote with his own hand and you see pictures of him,
[01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:32.000]  and pictures of him as a child, pictures of him growing up, pictures of him happy with his friends.
[01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:38.000]  It looks like there's a prom picture in there with his girlfriend, him with his family.
[01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:44.000]  The whole story just becomes so much more real to you that this is a real person here.
[01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.000]  And they are innocent.
[01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:52.000]  And of course we cannot take up the cause of every person like this,
[01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:57.000]  but we can do what we can, you know, one person at a time.
[01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:02.000]  And so I feel very strongly for this situation, for this case,
[01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:05.000]  and that's why we're giving it this air time.
[01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:13.000]  And Bill, I mean it is just so wrong that this all boils down to basically
[01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:15.000]  somebody who's just trying to advance their own career.
[01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:19.000]  They don't care who's innocent, who's guilty.
[01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:21.000]  It means nothing to them.
[01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:25.000]  They just want to advance and they don't care who they have to throw under the bus literally,
[01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:33.000]  or who has to die, or whose lives are ruined or not as long as they move up the ladder.
[01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:35.000]  It's just horrible.
[01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:43.000]  So Bill, what if anything is being done at this time regarding this rogue prosecutor who's now judge
[01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:48.000]  that's obviously committed crimes in your son's case?
[01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.000]  Well, I certainly would not be in a position to defend prosecutor Crane,
[01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:59.000]  but we have no interest in going after him at the moment.
[01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:03.000]  We're concentrating all of our efforts in just freeing Ryan.
[01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:10.000]  And once Ryan has been released, then we will turn our focus obviously in a different direction.
[01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:16.000]  But we don't want to split our resources and energy between trying to free Ryan
[01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.000]  and go after prosecutor Crane.
[01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:20.000]  His time will come.
[01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:23.000]  So it's a priority, and Ryan's the priority.
[01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:25.000]  It's certainly understandable.
[01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:32.000]  We've got to get Ryan out, and I certainly want to see that happen as soon as possible.
[01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:38.000]  I'd like to go back to David now to talk a little bit more about the tour and the project.
[01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:41.000]  And, David, you wanted to talk about the volunteer effort
[01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:47.000]  and also about who else is involved with helping Ryan here
[01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:50.000]  and other guests that we are going to have on the show.
[01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:53.000]  So please let us know.
[01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:58.000]  Okay. Well, like I mentioned earlier, we've got volunteers literally from around the world
[01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:02.000]  that are coming together in a very personal grassroots way.
[01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:06.000]  It started with myself and the organizer Rick Weinstein,
[01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  and it's been doubling in size every week for the past four weeks.
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:15.000]  So we're now at over between 20, 30, 40 people at this point who have signed on,
[01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.000]  committed a varying degree of time per week.
[01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:21.000]  I think we're trying to total the amount of man hours.
[01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:26.000]  I think it's that over 400 man hours per week have been dedicated towards this cause.
[01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:33.000]  And essentially we're trying to take all the rays of sunshine that are Ryan's supporters,
[01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:37.000]  and we're trying to be the magnifying glass that focuses it into one point
[01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:42.000]  that's going to burn a hole through this situation, if you could put it that way, using that metaphor.
[01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:46.000]  All different backgrounds, like I said, and we're trying to grow our volunteer base
[01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:48.000]  and double in size this coming week.
[01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:54.000]  So if any of the listeners are interested in getting involved, we would totally appreciate it.
[01:38:54.000 --> 01:39:02.000]  And the way to do so is there's a volunteer form at RyanFergusonAmericanFreedomTour.org,
[01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:08.000]  or if you don't have a huge keyboard, you can just type in R-F-A-F-T.org,
[01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:10.000]  and there's a volunteer form on there,
[01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:15.000]  and someone from our organization will be in touch with you as soon as you fill it out.
[01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:21.000]  And like you said, Debra, we can't save everybody at once,
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:26.000]  but the reality is that if you can save one person, it's making a real difference,
[01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:29.000]  and there's that feeling of frustration and helplessness,
[01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:32.000]  that feeling of how can I make a difference, I'm just one small person.
[01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:39.000]  And to us, this tour is an outlet for protesting those defects in the system that are unchecked,
[01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:46.000]  and it's a manifestation of the outcry that people all around the country and the world are feeling.
[01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:51.000]  And I'm just one small spoke in the wheel of change, like we mentioned,
[01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:57.000]  and just one small part in that, but change will happen,
[01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:03.000]  and it's going to happen as a collective organized effort from all of us, I believe.
[01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:09.000]  Absolutely. We've got to do something when situations like this come up,
[01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:13.000]  because otherwise they'll just railroad all of us.
[01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:16.000]  And speaking of people who are coming on board,
[01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:21.000]  why don't you give us a little preview of one of the guests
[01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:26.000]  that we are going to be having on our show in the upcoming weeks.
[01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:30.000]  Well, we're very proud to announce that we've partnered with Jennifer Thompson.
[01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:35.000]  She's one of the co-authors of Picking Cotton, our memoir of Injustice and Redemption,
[01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:37.000]  which is a New York Times bestseller.
[01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  And the book, to give you the Coles Notes version of it,
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:47.000]  Jennifer was raped while she was in college, and she was raped by a black man.
[01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:53.000]  She went and identified out of a police lineup and also out of a photo lineup.
[01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:58.000]  And basically this gentleman, Ronald Cotton, was convicted, did ten years,
[01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:02.000]  and through DNA evidence was exonerated after ten years.
[01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:09.000]  And then he reached out to Jennifer subsequently after his release and forgave her,
[01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:13.000]  and they became friends, and I wrote this book.
[01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:16.000]  It's an incredibly powerful story of redemption and forgiveness,
[01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:20.000]  and it's an amazing book. My wife and I have been reading it.
[01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:25.000]  And it's a tearjerker, but it points to that larger picture of eye witnesses can get it wrong,
[01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:31.000]  especially eye witnesses that are as close as Jennifer Thompson was to her rapist.
[01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:34.000]  You can be that close and still get it wrong.
[01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:37.000]  And it's a very powerful story, especially paired with Ryan's story.
[01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:40.000]  I think it's going to be awesome, and she's hopefully going to be able to speak
[01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:45.000]  at some of the events that we put on in North Carolina and beyond if she's able to.
[01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:48.000]  But at the very least, she's lending her voice to ours,
[01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:53.000]  and so we're excited that hopefully she'll be able to spend some time out
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:42:00.000]  and appear on the station on your broadcast at some point in the near future.
[01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:04.000]  Yes, absolutely. And I'm not totally familiar with her story yet,
[01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:07.000]  but David, just from talking to you earlier this week,
[01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:11.000]  it sounds like it was a mistake on her part.
[01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:15.000]  She wasn't trying to wrongfully convict anyone,
[01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:21.000]  and I'm certain that there was prosecutorial misconduct involved in that situation as well,
[01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:26.000]  but we will find out for sure once we have Jennifer on the show.
[01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:30.000]  So it's just an amazing story.
[01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.000]  Callers, we have about one more segment left.
[01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:38.000]  If you'd like to call in and lend your support, make comments, ask questions,
[01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:47.000]  you can call in at 512-646-1984. That is the call-in number to discuss the situation at hand.
[01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  And folks, if you are wronged, if you know somebody who was wronged in this way,
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:43:00.000]  convicted wrongfully, call in and let us know so that we can partner you up with these individuals,
[01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.000]  these guests that we have on this evening.
[01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.000]  Randy, do you have comments? We're about to go to break in less than a minute,
[01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:07.000]  but what are your comments right now?
[01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:12.000]  Yes, yes. I think your timing is perfect.
[01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:16.000]  When we first started this show, we heard a lot of talk about sheeple,
[01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:20.000]  those people who were asleep as opposed to those who were awake.
[01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.000]  We haven't heard that in two or three years.
[01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:29.000]  The people seem to have reached their gag limit with this kind of injustice,
[01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:33.000]  so I'm not surprised that you have a lot of people coming on board,
[01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:40.000]  and I'm confident that you will be able to get him freed, because the people have had enough.
[01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:44.000]  Nobody trusts the police. The only ones who trust the police never had anything to do with them.
[01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:48.000]  This is Randy Kelton there with Steve and Eddie Craig. We have our radio.
[01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:56.000]  Our call-in lines are open. 512-646-1984. We'll be right back.
[01:43:56.000 --> 01:44:00.000]  And now we have Sheriff saying, you're not going to do that here.
[01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:05.000]  We don't care what laws you pass. You want to play with those little things in Washington, D.C.
[01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:09.000]  That's fine, but you're not doing it in my county.
[01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:13.000]  As long as I'm the sheriff here, we will draw the line in the sand,
[01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:16.000]  and we draw the line with freedom.
[01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:20.000]  Join Sheriff Mack for two special, free engagements in Austin this week
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[01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:34.000]  Sheriff Mack will be speaking this Friday at Hills Cafe, 4700 South Congress Avenue at 7 p.m.
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[01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:44.000]  Okay, folks, we are back.
[01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:48.000]  We're in our final segment here with Bill Ferguson and David Fraser.
[01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:54.000]  Bill, you wanted to make a comment here concerning the prosecutor and the police
[01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:57.000]  in your son's case.
[01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:02.000]  What we observed taking place once we started looking at the evidence,
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:07.000]  started looking at the police reports and so on and so forth, is there's a bail,
[01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:15.000]  what I call a bail conspiracy unwritten between the prosecutor and the various police officers,
[01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.000]  the techies, and even the court system.
[01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:25.000]  And for example, if you have two people playing basketball but they don't even know each other
[01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:30.000]  and you're on defense and an offensive player is charging down the key,
[01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:34.000]  the two defensive players will automatically, without any coaching,
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  will stand together shoulder to shoulder and stop that penetration.
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:41.000]  No communication at all. They just don't know what to do.
[01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:46.000]  And if I take that analogy another step, I see the police, when they write their reports,
[01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:52.000]  and once an arrest has been made, I see other officers, when they write their reports,
[01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:59.000]  they train them in a way, they head them in a way to support the arresting officer.
[01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:05.000]  And there's this conspiracy very discreetly between all the different parties
[01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  to protect and support the arresting officer, whatever it is.
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:16.000]  So they'll leave out expository evidence which evolved into being Brady violations.
[01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:20.000]  And when I go back there and look at a whole host of cases that I've read,
[01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:25.000]  you see that the police conspired to write reports in a certain way
[01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:28.000]  to make the accused look even more guilty.
[01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.000]  And that's a very prevalent thing.
[01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:33.000]  And I have a feeling that probably Randy's noticed that.
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:35.000]  Yes, I'm sure he has.
[01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:39.000]  Oh, I'm sorry, wait, Randy, before I go to, this was one thing that I wanted to mention.
[01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:45.000]  Going back to this exculpatory evidence of this woman
[01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:50.000]  who would not have identified Ryan at the crime scene,
[01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:56.000]  but the defense attorney was afraid to ask her that in deposition because he didn't know the answer.
[01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:00.000]  However, the prosecutor did already know the answer to that question
[01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:04.000]  and that the answer to that question was no, that prosecutor was required
[01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:12.000]  not only under the canon of ethics to make that exculpatory evidence known to the defense attorney,
[01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:15.000]  but also under state law required to as well.
[01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:17.000]  And so that's a big no-no.
[01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:23.000]  That's something that can be used to go after this judge prosecutor later on down the line.
[01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.000]  I'm sorry, I just wanted to mention that before I forgot it.
[01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:27.000]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:30.000]  I haven't, I'm not that familiar with Missouri law,
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:37.000]  but in Texas law under Chapter 2 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure,
[01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:40.000]  Chapter 2 starts with duties of officers.
[01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  It speaks to the prosecuting attorney first, the very first statute.
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:55.000]  It shall be the primary duty of the prosecuting attorney not to secure conviction,
[01:49:55.000 --> 01:50:00.000]  but to ensure that justice is served, he shall not seek witnesses
[01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:06.000]  or evidence that may show the innocence of the accused or mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:15.000]  The American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function in standard 3-3.11 mimics just exactly that.
[01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.000]  It is unethical conduct for a prosecuting attorney to refrain from pursuing evidence
[01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:25.000]  solely because the evidence may show the innocence of the accused or mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  And in Section 3 of the American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function,
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:36.000]  there's a whole set of things that goes to evidence and what he must present.
[01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:46.000]  The prosecutor is absolutely required to present all evidence, helpful or mitigating.
[01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:57.000]  And if he doesn't, it goes to you were speaking to Brady and Brady Action is filed under 42 U.S. Code 1983.
[01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  That's the Ku Klux Klan Act.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:08.000]  What most people are not aware of is when the Ku Klux Klan Act was passed in 1871, there were two parts to it.
[01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:13.000]  The second part was codified into 42 U.S. Code 1983.
[01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:19.000]  The first part was codified into 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:30.000]  And the federal government proposed a model penal code and asked all of the states to adopt this as a model
[01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:39.000]  so that everywhere you go in the country, you pretty well can be comfortable in that the laws are for the most part the same.
[01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:44.000]  And they did that. I think 47 of 50 adopted it directly.
[01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:48.000]  And the rest of them have written their codes to match it.
[01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:57.000]  And every state so far except California and New Mexico, they probably have it somewhere, I just haven't found it,
[01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:00.000]  has a code representing 18 U.S. Code 242.
[01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  18 U.S. Code 242 says if a public official fails to perform a duty he is required to perform
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:17.000]  or exerts or purports to exert an authority he does not expressly have
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:22.000]  and in the process denies a citizen full free access to or enjoyment of right,
[01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:25.000]  well, that's a Class A misdemeanor.
[01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:34.000]  Texas law 39.03 says exactly that and almost exactly the same verbiage.
[01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:44.000]  And I can't quote it off my head, but I have seen the statute in Missouri over an issue I had helped someone with a couple years ago.
[01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:46.000]  They do have that statute.
[01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.000]  It's kind of a catch-all.
[01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  Everybody should know that statute in their state.
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:59.000]  Because the statute goes to violating any law failing to perform any duty.
[01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  Then what I talked about earlier about going after the prosecutor, really don't care about getting the prosecutor prosecuted.
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.000]  That's not the point.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:10.000]  It's politics.
[01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:11.000]  Absolutely.
[01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:15.000]  And Randy, we do have a caller on the line who has a question for Bill.
[01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.000]  Is it okay if we take this caller real quick?
[01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:18.000]  Absolutely.
[01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  Okay, and then we can go back to you because you wanted to talk about this habeas a little bit more.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:24.000]  Jeff, thank you for calling in.
[01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  What is your question for Bill?
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:27.000]  Hi, Bill.
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:29.000]  It's Jeff in Illinois.
[01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:30.000]  I had a question.
[01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:38.000]  Do you know in terms of the physical evidence, we know they tested everything that they possibly could against Chuck and Ryan and nothing matched.
[01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:42.000]  But do you know in terms of the DNA testing, what else did they do?
[01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:49.000]  I mean, even early on before the arrest, did they ever enter the DNA into a CODIS database?
[01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:52.000]  And if so, did they actually test that?
[01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:53.000]  Did they test it later?
[01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  Do you know?
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:59.000]  Yes, all that's been entered into the national database.
[01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:05.000]  But what people don't realize is the hair that was in the hand of the victim didn't have a root on it.
[01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:08.000]  So it did not have traditional DNA.
[01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:13.000]  And that's a very specific, unique class of DNA.
[01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:17.000]  And so there's not a database for it.
[01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:18.000]  Okay.
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:22.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:29.000]  The rest of the DNA presumably they tested back in 2001, but I would assume that they probably didn't test it.
[01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:30.000]  I don't know if they tested it after that.
[01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:33.000]  I'm sure they didn't test it after the arrest.
[01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:40.000]  And certainly there could be, you know, whoever did this could have committed crimes after 2004.
[01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:44.000]  And they'd be entered, but they haven't tested it since then, I would assume.
[01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  You know, I don't know the answer to that.
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:50.000]  But we're in the process of pursuing that.
[01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  They're not very good at getting back to us very quickly.
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:55:02.000]  But I think that's excellent because a lot of states now are requiring serious misdemeanors or felonies that they submit their DNA.
[01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:07.000]  So that DNA, traditional DNA and fingerprint database is expanding.
[01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:10.000]  And so there's a good chance that you could get a match.
[01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.000]  So that's a good point.
[01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:19.000]  I think maybe some of the testing that they did back then and some of the information that they entered wasn't as extensive as it is now.
[01:55:19.000 --> 01:55:26.000]  And so it would be nice if they would go ahead and retest it, but I assume that's probably not their priority.
[01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:30.000]  Have you talked to the Innocence Project about this issue?
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:31.000]  We have.
[01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:35.000]  As a matter of fact, they're the ones that's working on that aspect for us.
[01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:36.000]  Wonderful.
[01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:37.000]  Good.
[01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:38.000]  All right.
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:39.000]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:40.000]  Thank you.
[01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:41.000]  Okay.
[01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:44.000]  Andy, you wanted to ask Bill a couple of questions about the habeas.
[01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.000]  We've got like three minutes left, so hit it.
[01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:48.000]  Yeah.
[01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.000]  I was kind of interested.
[01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:54.000]  The evidence seemed so compelling.
[01:55:54.000 --> 01:56:05.000]  I haven't been, it's a hundred page, 117 page or 16 page habeas, so I hadn't had time to go through all of the legal arguments.
[01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:20.000]  But I did kind of want to know what is the legal standing to show that the judge on the other side, the judge that rendered the ruling entered an incorrect ruling?
[01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:30.000]  What is the law in Missouri on either corrupted evidence or new evidence?
[01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  I'm not sure how to specifically answer that question.
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:44.000]  All I can say is that when we examine his findings, we can see that he was wrong on many of his points.
[01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:54.000]  One, for example, he says that Erickson had to correct the defense attorney as a certain article was in the paper.
[01:56:54.000 --> 01:57:02.000]  If he'd only read another 180 pages more, he would see where Erickson admits that he was wrong.
[01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:07.000]  So that's an example of the judge making a mistake.
[01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:19.000]  I don't know if there's anything that you can say against the judge for making a bad, not doing his homework very properly or doing things in a very careless way.
[01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:21.000]  I don't know if that's against the law.
[01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:22.000]  You know that very well.
[01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:48.000]  Yeah, that actually kind of goes to outlawry, where if the judge fails, a trial judge, and in this case, if he's a habeas judge, is in the place that the trial judge has a duty to determine the facts in accordance with the rules of evidence, then apply the law as it comes to him to the facts in the case.
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.000]  The judge's opinion are irrelevant.
[01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:58.000]  The only one that can have an opinion about the law is the appeals courts, not the trial court.
[01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  The judge hearing the habeas can't have an opinion about the law. He must apply the law to the facts.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:12.000]  If the judge failed to address a fact with law, that is absolutely appealable error.
[01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:20.000]  All right, listen, we have 30 seconds left. David, if you would, quickly give out the website for Ryan Ferguson.
[01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:25.000]  Okay, so the facts are at freerionferguson.com. That's Bill's site that he mentioned.
[01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:33.000]  And our website for the Ryan Ferguson American Freedom Tour is just that, ryanfergusonamericantreedomtour.org.
[01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:38.000]  Or if you want to type in short, it's just rfaft.org.
[01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.000]  All right, thank you very much.
[01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:43.000]  Yeah, you can get the song that I wrote for free there, and you can also volunteer.
[01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:47.000]  All right, thank you very much, Bill, for joining us tonight, and thank you, David.
[01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:48.000]  Thank you.
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