ROL_2012-08-31_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:07.120]  In a South African game park, a rhinoceros died during an operation to embed a remotely
[00:07.120 --> 00:09.920]  readable tracking microchip in its horn.
[00:09.920 --> 00:14.520]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll have details on the tragic death of Spencer the
[00:14.520 --> 00:16.800]  Rhino next.
[00:16.800 --> 00:18.560]  Privacy is under attack.
[00:18.560 --> 00:22.960]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again, and once your privacy
[00:22.960 --> 00:27.120]  is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:27.120 --> 00:32.200]  Also protect your rights, say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself.
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[00:45.640 --> 00:50.800]  Africa has a real problem with poachers who hunt endangered animals for ivory and meat.
[00:50.800 --> 00:55.440]  To stop the slaughter, they've tried various countermeasures, including locator microchips
[00:55.440 --> 01:00.560]  to track the animals' movements, but a game park in South Africa made the wrong decision
[01:00.560 --> 01:05.280]  when they tried to embed a microchip into the horn of a rhino named Spencer.
[01:05.280 --> 01:10.440]  To perform the procedure, veterinarians injected him with sedatives, inserted the chip, and
[01:10.440 --> 01:12.320]  tried to wake him up with stimulants.
[01:12.320 --> 01:15.360]  The combination tragically resulted in the animal's death.
[01:15.360 --> 01:20.200]  It was a painful reminder that drugging and chipping living creatures can be dangerous
[01:20.200 --> 01:21.680]  and sometimes deadly.
[01:21.680 --> 01:32.520]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StarkPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[01:32.520 --> 01:35.760]  A top cybersecurity expert has a warning for America.
[01:35.760 --> 01:41.560]  If you build an electrical smart grid, the hackers will come and they could cause a catastrophic
[01:41.560 --> 01:42.560]  blackout.
[01:42.560 --> 01:47.400]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, back with the shocking details in a moment.
[01:47.400 --> 01:49.120]  Privacy is under attack.
[01:49.120 --> 01:53.560]  When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again, and once your privacy
[01:53.560 --> 01:57.720]  is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish, too.
[01:57.720 --> 02:02.880]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance, and keep your information to yourself.
[02:02.880 --> 02:05.520]  Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[02:16.920 --> 02:21.040]  These love power, so it's only natural they'd want to control the power going into your
[02:21.040 --> 02:23.440]  home, too, with a smart grid.
[02:23.440 --> 02:27.640]  So they're installing a national network of smart meters to remotely monitor electric
[02:27.640 --> 02:30.760]  use for efficiency and avoid grid failure.
[02:30.760 --> 02:35.440]  But cybersecurity expert David Chalk says, not so fast, if we make the national power
[02:35.440 --> 02:39.680]  grid controllable through the web, hackers will have a field day.
[02:39.680 --> 02:44.520]  Working remotely, they could tap in and black out the entire nation, leaving us vulnerable
[02:44.520 --> 02:45.520]  to our enemies.
[02:45.520 --> 02:51.360]  I'd want to pose smart meters for privacy and health reasons, but catastrophic failures
[02:51.360 --> 02:52.360]  caused by hackers?
[02:52.360 --> 02:54.360]  There's nothing smart about that.
[02:54.360 --> 03:24.320]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StarkPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[03:24.360 --> 03:46.960]  Okay, this is Randy Keltman, David Chalk, and Eddie Craig, when we blow away.
[03:46.960 --> 03:47.960]  Eddie, and Debra has the night off tonight, it's just me and Eddie, and we have a very
[03:47.960 --> 03:48.960]  special guest.
[03:48.960 --> 03:52.920]  One of my favorites, Dr. Bill Vieth.
[03:52.920 --> 03:58.400]  Dr. Vieth is our resident money expert.
[03:58.400 --> 04:06.440]  And we're going to start out with Dr. Vieth, it's going to go over the fiat money system
[04:06.440 --> 04:11.200]  and the nature of our, the currency system we're using.
[04:11.200 --> 04:16.000]  Dr. Vieth, welcome to the show, oh, wait a minute, it is August.
[04:16.000 --> 04:25.640]  Now, I know there's a rumor that last night somebody thought it was October, but that's
[04:25.640 --> 04:32.400]  just a rumor, it's not really October, it's actually August the 31st, our Friday night
[04:32.400 --> 04:39.440]  four hour info marathon, our, the call board will be off until probably the second half
[04:39.440 --> 04:41.520]  of the show.
[04:41.520 --> 04:48.880]  We may start taking calls in a second hour, specifically on topic, but then after that
[04:48.880 --> 04:51.160]  the second half will take general calls.
[04:51.160 --> 04:57.560]  Okay, Dr. Vieth, welcome to the show, thank you, it's nice to be on the show again, nice
[04:57.560 --> 04:59.720]  to talk to you guys.
[04:59.720 --> 05:10.960]  Now, can you give us a kind of a rundown on the fiat money system, what the problems
[05:10.960 --> 05:17.200]  with it are, generically, more specifically, the problems with every new office?
[05:17.200 --> 05:20.120]  Sure, I'll be glad to.
[05:20.120 --> 05:24.000]  I'm sure, you know, most of your audience is probably very, quite familiar with this
[05:24.000 --> 05:29.760]  topic by now because, you know, it's been covered by me and many other people over the
[05:29.760 --> 05:36.480]  last four years because it's becoming increasingly important because we're watching right now
[05:36.480 --> 05:45.080]  a financial collapse really on a global scale and it's an inevitable collapse.
[05:45.080 --> 05:49.240]  We've all known it's been coming for quite some time, it's always hard to, it's not
[05:49.240 --> 05:54.600]  hard, it's probably impossible to predict exactly when, but, you know, if you see the
[05:54.600 --> 06:02.280]  direction things are going and the speed of events right now is accelerating and I'm
[06:02.280 --> 06:08.440]  thinking that probably any time between tomorrow and the next couple years we're going to see
[06:08.440 --> 06:16.720]  a global financial collapse because all of the countries of the world use central banks
[06:16.720 --> 06:20.720]  that issue fiat currency rather than money.
[06:20.720 --> 06:25.120]  There is no money used anywhere in the world right now, although that may change pretty
[06:25.120 --> 06:26.840]  soon too.
[06:26.840 --> 06:34.320]  And so what we have in the countries is what's called a fiat currency system where debt is
[06:34.320 --> 06:36.720]  what becomes monetized.
[06:36.720 --> 06:42.960]  When we had real money we monetized commodities and the two major commodities that we monetized
[06:42.960 --> 06:45.840]  were gold and silver.
[06:45.840 --> 06:50.320]  Any potentially anything in the world could be monetized if the people would accept it
[06:50.320 --> 06:55.920]  as money and if it made sense we could monetize sand, of course there's too much of that,
[06:55.920 --> 07:02.160]  we could monetize seashells, we could monetize diamonds, but there's a reason we don't monetize
[07:02.160 --> 07:06.880]  a lot of these things and there is a reason we have always in the past when left to the
[07:06.880 --> 07:13.600]  free markets monetized gold and silver, but the worst thing if you listed rank order,
[07:13.600 --> 07:18.120]  the best things in the world to monetize down to the worst, the top of the list to monetize
[07:18.120 --> 07:21.240]  would be gold and silver and probably the worst thing in the world to monetize would
[07:21.240 --> 07:28.200]  be debt and that's what we monetize and the system that we live under by monetizing debt
[07:28.200 --> 07:36.200]  and using paper fiat currency it allows the central banks to control the issuance and
[07:36.200 --> 07:41.640]  contraction of the money supply and so literally they can control all markets through interest
[07:41.640 --> 07:49.080]  rates, through open market policies, through political decisions that they make and so
[07:49.080 --> 07:54.520]  really we really have no free markets anywhere in the world, all markets are manipulated
[07:54.520 --> 08:00.080]  to some degree and no markets are manipulated more than the gold and silver markets because
[08:00.080 --> 08:07.320]  if those two commodities were ever allowed to reach their true market value where price
[08:07.320 --> 08:14.000]  discovery was determined by markets supply and demand conditions rather than being set
[08:14.000 --> 08:19.840]  by policies of the central banks, if gold and silver ever reached their true prices
[08:19.840 --> 08:24.840]  it would expose the value list of all of the paper currencies.
[08:24.840 --> 08:31.560]  So they are the most manipulated markets in the world and just to go back quickly to talk
[08:31.560 --> 08:39.000]  about how we got into a fiat currency system, back in before 1913 the United States used
[08:39.000 --> 08:46.600]  gold and silver coin as money and legal tender and in 1913 when the Federal Reserve came
[08:46.600 --> 08:55.720]  into being they started issuing Federal Reserve notes but the notes were a money substitute,
[08:55.720 --> 09:00.400]  the real money was still the gold and silver and the Federal Reserve notes was a note issued
[09:00.400 --> 09:06.720]  by the Federal Reserve saying that this note is redeemable for gold or silver.
[09:06.720 --> 09:10.200]  So it's more convenient to pass around the paper notes than it is the physical gold and
[09:10.200 --> 09:11.200]  silver.
[09:11.200 --> 09:17.760]  So for 20 years we could go to any bank, commercial bank or Federal Reserve bank and we could
[09:17.760 --> 09:22.360]  put down the Federal Reserve note which was a claim check on the money and get the gold
[09:22.360 --> 09:23.360]  and silver.
[09:23.360 --> 09:32.640]  Well in 1933 after the depression was created by the central bankers in concert with the
[09:32.640 --> 09:39.760]  government when they created this depression they said well we're going to keep the money,
[09:39.760 --> 09:43.280]  you just use the claim checks and we're going to call it money, well we're going to call
[09:43.280 --> 09:44.960]  it legal tender.
[09:44.960 --> 09:50.800]  So the paper was never initially intended to be the money itself, it was the money substitute
[09:50.800 --> 09:57.200]  and then we just began by government fiat saying this paper is now money and it's really
[09:57.200 --> 10:02.440]  a dead instrument that's why it says a Federal Reserve note on it and so gradually they took
[10:02.440 --> 10:08.360]  away the redeemability of these Federal Reserve notes first for gold and later in the 60s
[10:08.360 --> 10:14.760]  it was no longer redeemable for silver and then in 71 it was no longer even redeemable
[10:14.760 --> 10:18.760]  internationally by all the countries of the world that were holding Federal Reserve notes
[10:18.760 --> 10:24.120]  thinking it was backed by gold and good as gold and we screwed the rest of the world
[10:24.120 --> 10:27.880]  to and said we're keeping your gold too, you just use those pieces of paper that we're
[10:27.880 --> 10:29.360]  going to call money.
[10:29.360 --> 10:36.160]  And so that's how we have gotten on to this fiat money system and the dollar while it
[10:36.160 --> 10:41.800]  was strong and while it was backed by gold became the world's reserve currency meaning
[10:41.800 --> 10:47.080]  that when two countries were trade with each other they didn't want each other's currencies
[10:47.080 --> 10:52.840]  they settled their accounts in dollars and when countries would send us goods and cert
[10:52.840 --> 10:59.840]  goods like when Japan sends us goods we pay them in dollars or when China sends us good
[10:59.840 --> 11:06.000]  we pay them in dollars they use those dollars to buy our treasury bonds which are government
[11:06.000 --> 11:13.040]  debt and then they hold those bonds in their bank reserve as reserve assets thinking when
[11:13.040 --> 11:18.520]  the whole thing got started those treasury bonds and dollars they held were redeemable
[11:18.520 --> 11:21.160]  for gold and we're redeemable for gold.
[11:21.160 --> 11:26.520]  So the whole world got on to what's called a dollar standard, a Federal Reserve note
[11:26.520 --> 11:37.080]  standard and then in 1972 through our dealings by becoming a protectorate of the major oil
[11:37.080 --> 11:41.960]  producers in the Middle East we went on what's called a petro dollar standard.
[11:41.960 --> 11:47.840]  In 71 the dollar was no longer redeemable for gold internationally but all oil transactions
[11:47.840 --> 11:50.560]  worldwide were only settled in dollars.
[11:50.560 --> 11:55.000]  So we kind of went from a gold dollar standard to a petro dollar standard.
[11:55.000 --> 11:59.640]  Well now that system is breaking down and we've got a whole bunch of countries around
[11:59.640 --> 12:04.640]  the world that are no longer want to settle their trade agreements with each other in
[12:04.640 --> 12:06.440]  dollars.
[12:06.440 --> 12:11.720]  For example China just signed a bilateral trade agreement with Japan and they're going
[12:11.720 --> 12:16.480]  to either accept each other's currencies when they trade goods or they're going to settle
[12:16.480 --> 12:18.480]  in gold.
[12:18.480 --> 12:23.320]  China also signed a bilateral agreement with Iran, Iran signed a bilateral agreement with
[12:23.320 --> 12:26.400]  India and then there's some other countries involved too.
[12:26.400 --> 12:31.760]  We've got Brazil that are involved in that, South Africa, Chile so we've got a whole bunch
[12:31.760 --> 12:36.800]  of countries now that are signing trade agreements with other countries and they're not settling
[12:36.800 --> 12:41.280]  in dollars and this is the first time this has occurred since the Bretton Woods Agreement
[12:41.280 --> 12:43.720]  in the 1940s.
[12:43.720 --> 12:51.720]  So we really are going off of a dollar global standard and the dollar is slowly but surely
[12:51.720 --> 12:59.000]  and speeding up now losing its status as the world's reserve currency and when that happens
[12:59.000 --> 13:04.760]  and nobody in the world wants our dollars anymore, this country will have no more middle
[13:04.760 --> 13:10.800]  class, our standard of living will drop very low, we'll have to go into austerity measures,
[13:10.800 --> 13:14.880]  all of our government debt will have to be bought by the Federal Reserve and the only
[13:14.880 --> 13:18.800]  way the Federal Reserve can buy it is to print new money which dilutes the purchasing power
[13:18.800 --> 13:20.360]  of the existing money.
[13:20.360 --> 13:25.920]  So we're backing ourselves into a corner here where I don't see a way out, there is
[13:25.920 --> 13:29.640]  no way out, we're just going to, at some point it's going to collapse.
[13:29.640 --> 13:35.200]  So anyway that's kind of the summary of what I've seen happen over the course of time and
[13:35.200 --> 13:37.680]  the events that have happened recently.
[13:37.680 --> 13:47.920]  You mentioned the petro dollars, I know recently I read an article where the Federal Reserve
[13:47.920 --> 13:57.360]  was complaining about the oil companies because the Federal Reserve in trying to control the
[13:57.360 --> 14:04.760]  markets through the introduction or withholding of paper money complained that every time
[14:04.760 --> 14:10.960]  they printed up a bunch of dollars and flooded them in the market but the oil companies raised
[14:10.960 --> 14:19.440]  their prices and sucked them all up and from my perspective we seem to have the Bilderbergs
[14:19.440 --> 14:26.280]  and Rothschilds on one hand, the Federal Reserve on the other and then the oil companies
[14:26.280 --> 14:34.640]  in between, all of them vying for control generally and they all seem to be struggling
[14:34.640 --> 14:38.480]  with each other and I see that as a great thing.
[14:38.480 --> 14:42.920]  Well I think they're all kind of working in concert.
[14:42.920 --> 14:50.520]  Sometimes they are and they were complaining that they weren't in this issue of the petro
[14:50.520 --> 14:51.520]  dollar.
[14:51.520 --> 15:00.640]  Now rather than a petro dollar or not, it does seem that oil is now the primary bronzer.
[15:00.640 --> 15:08.800]  I know we hear a lot of people talking about doom and I think there's a big problem with
[15:08.800 --> 15:15.760]  the way they talk about this doom and gloom and these bad things happening is they imply
[15:15.760 --> 15:23.320]  that you will wake up tomorrow, sometimes they actually state that you will wake up tomorrow
[15:23.320 --> 15:26.600]  and all of a sudden the sky will fall in.
[15:26.600 --> 15:34.000]  I am concerned that that is not how it's going to happen, that sky is in the process of falling
[15:34.000 --> 15:41.560]  in and has been for a number of years and most of us don't realize it.
[15:41.560 --> 15:48.240]  Most of us don't realize that our standard of living has steadily decreased over the
[15:48.240 --> 15:52.320]  last, what, 20 years Dr. Heath?
[15:52.320 --> 15:57.520]  Well probably since we went off the dollar standard, the gold standard in 71, I think
[15:57.520 --> 16:01.800]  the decline curve is showing that we started to get a decline then with the delusion of
[16:01.800 --> 16:07.720]  the money purchasing power and then that decline curve gets steeper and steeper and steeper
[16:07.720 --> 16:09.640]  until it's about to go parabolic.
[16:09.640 --> 16:18.760]  A good barometer, if you think we're not in inflation, think back a few years to when
[16:18.760 --> 16:26.640]  you could buy a gallon, I remember being able to buy a gallon of gas for $0.31.
[16:26.640 --> 16:30.480]  Well, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[16:30.480 --> 16:31.480]  Now it's 10 times.
[16:31.480 --> 16:32.480]  What do you call that?
[16:32.480 --> 16:40.760]  Well, that's an effect of inflation, that's not inflation itself, that's the effect of
[16:40.760 --> 16:41.760]  inflation.
[16:41.760 --> 16:43.760]  Exactly, that's a barometer.
[16:43.760 --> 16:44.760]  Right.
[16:44.760 --> 16:49.880]  Okay, we're going to break, we'll be right back on the other side, Dr. Kelton, David
[16:49.880 --> 17:05.920]  Craig with our special guest, Dr. Bill Beach, and we'll be right.
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[19:27.880 --> 19:37.880]  Okay, we are back.
[19:37.880 --> 19:43.880]  I went out and did a great deal of radio with a special guest about civil thief.
[19:43.880 --> 19:49.880]  And there is one thing and the primary reason that I wanted to bring you on the show
[19:49.880 --> 20:01.880]  is I wanted to talk about what's actually happening and how most of us don't really realize what's going on
[20:01.880 --> 20:05.880]  because it's coming on so slow we tend to adjust to it.
[20:05.880 --> 20:11.880]  And for those of you who don't know that Dr. Thief is a doctor because he's a doctor of psychology.
[20:11.880 --> 20:15.880]  So he really understands this stuff.
[20:15.880 --> 20:20.880]  How is that time for me putting you on Dr. Thief?
[20:20.880 --> 20:30.880]  But I would like to kind of address how the buying power of our dollar is decreasing.
[20:30.880 --> 20:41.880]  And in my estimation right now it's dramatically decreasing but we're somehow waiting for this day
[20:41.880 --> 20:48.880]  when the crash comes. 1929 was it Black Tuesday, Black Monday?
[20:48.880 --> 20:52.880]  That day the crash happened.
[20:52.880 --> 20:57.880]  Thirty, forty, fifty years from now when we look back on this time,
[20:57.880 --> 21:02.880]  what date are we going to look at and say the crash happened?
[21:02.880 --> 21:07.880]  Well, you know, even back then there were a lot of signs before that day
[21:07.880 --> 21:12.880]  that people have a way of denying or avoiding.
[21:12.880 --> 21:18.880]  People get stuck in what's called a normalcy bias.
[21:18.880 --> 21:24.880]  Our whole lives we've lived under a system that's been a certain way,
[21:24.880 --> 21:27.880]  with the fiat currency system, with the way it works.
[21:27.880 --> 21:30.880]  Our parents lived under the same system with the Federal Reserve
[21:30.880 --> 21:33.880]  and using fiat currency rather than real money.
[21:33.880 --> 21:37.880]  So we develop what's called a normalcy bias where we think that's normal,
[21:37.880 --> 21:40.880]  that's the way life is, that's the way it'll always be.
[21:40.880 --> 21:43.880]  And there'll be some minor changes here and there that we'll adjust to
[21:43.880 --> 21:45.880]  but it's pretty much going to stay the same.
[21:45.880 --> 21:47.880]  Well, history shows that that's not true.
[21:47.880 --> 21:51.880]  Eventually there is a paradigm shift.
[21:51.880 --> 21:56.880]  Things change dramatically and the world has to write itself
[21:56.880 --> 22:00.880]  and work under a different paradigm.
[22:00.880 --> 22:07.880]  And every paper currency in history without one exception has always collapsed.
[22:07.880 --> 22:10.880]  They always eventually reach a value of zero
[22:10.880 --> 22:15.880]  or they get devalued to the point that nobody accepts them before they get to zero
[22:15.880 --> 22:20.880]  and they start over with some new system where the people in power
[22:20.880 --> 22:25.880]  try to enslave us and use our labor and make their money
[22:25.880 --> 22:29.880]  and make their profits off of our labor and our energy.
[22:29.880 --> 22:33.880]  And so they keep duping the people over and over and over again
[22:33.880 --> 22:36.880]  and the people keep falling for it.
[22:36.880 --> 22:40.880]  You know, even now I can't believe how many people, you know,
[22:40.880 --> 22:47.880]  when we see the signs of the dollar has declined in purchasing power by 97%.
[22:47.880 --> 22:52.880]  We see right now they're talking about changing the rules on pension funds.
[22:52.880 --> 22:55.880]  Even in California I read an article today.
[22:55.880 --> 22:59.880]  They're going to start using capital controls within states
[22:59.880 --> 23:02.880]  and within the federal government.
[23:02.880 --> 23:05.880]  This wasn't even publicized but I've been reading this recently.
[23:05.880 --> 23:10.880]  You know, for many years there was a capital control
[23:10.880 --> 23:16.880]  where any bank transactions above $10,000 had to be reported to the IRS.
[23:16.880 --> 23:19.880]  Well, that has now dropped to $3,000.
[23:19.880 --> 23:21.880]  I don't know if you've even aware of that.
[23:21.880 --> 23:23.880]  That's just happened within the last week or two.
[23:23.880 --> 23:27.880]  So, you know, they're already implementing capital controls
[23:27.880 --> 23:32.880]  and capital controls, you know, get more stringent and more stringent.
[23:32.880 --> 23:35.880]  Eventually it could become price controls
[23:35.880 --> 23:38.880]  where they cap what people can charge for rent,
[23:38.880 --> 23:41.880]  what business owners can charge for rent.
[23:41.880 --> 23:46.880]  And, you know, all of these types of controls in Greece they're doing them,
[23:46.880 --> 23:48.880]  they're called austerity measures.
[23:48.880 --> 23:50.880]  Well, the austerity is always on the public.
[23:50.880 --> 23:52.880]  It's never on the bankers.
[23:52.880 --> 23:54.880]  There are people that are creating the debt
[23:54.880 --> 23:57.880]  and enslaving us through the debt money.
[23:57.880 --> 23:59.880]  But, you know, there's...
[23:59.880 --> 24:01.880]  If people want to open up their eyes and look,
[24:01.880 --> 24:04.880]  there's so many signs of the collapse coming.
[24:04.880 --> 24:08.880]  Now, there may be a day when everybody will realize it
[24:08.880 --> 24:12.880]  when, let's say we wake up and all of a sudden there's a bank holiday.
[24:12.880 --> 24:15.880]  The bank's closed for a day and you can't get your cash out
[24:15.880 --> 24:17.880]  and they institute new rules.
[24:17.880 --> 24:21.880]  You can't get more than maybe $500 in cash out in a day
[24:21.880 --> 24:22.880]  or something like that.
[24:22.880 --> 24:25.880]  They'll start to implement capital controls.
[24:25.880 --> 24:28.880]  Now, if we have what they call a bank holiday,
[24:28.880 --> 24:32.880]  which is a euphemism for the banks are closing and the rules are changing
[24:32.880 --> 24:35.880]  and they may even start taking some of your money,
[24:35.880 --> 24:40.880]  you know, again, in some countries they have what are called negative interest rates.
[24:40.880 --> 24:43.880]  I think Japan and I think one of the Eastern...
[24:43.880 --> 24:49.880]  one of the European countries where if you put your money in the bank account,
[24:49.880 --> 24:52.880]  you pay them interest to hold your money.
[24:52.880 --> 24:53.880]  They don't pay you interest.
[24:53.880 --> 24:56.880]  So maybe if it's a half a percent at the end of a year,
[24:56.880 --> 25:00.880]  if you put $100 in there, you know, you have $99.50 in there.
[25:00.880 --> 25:06.880]  So these are all capital controls that they're starting to put on to take our money.
[25:06.880 --> 25:09.880]  And people...the signs are all around us,
[25:09.880 --> 25:12.880]  but most people would rather stick their head in the sand
[25:12.880 --> 25:15.880]  and let the world kick their butts around them.
[25:15.880 --> 25:18.880]  One of the days that there will be a day when people will start to wake up,
[25:18.880 --> 25:26.880]  like for instance, a bank closure.
[25:26.880 --> 25:29.880]  Randy?
[25:29.880 --> 25:31.880]  We may have lost Randy.
[25:31.880 --> 25:33.880]  Hang on, Dr. V. You can keep going.
[25:33.880 --> 25:39.880]  Okay, sure.
[25:39.880 --> 25:40.880]  Can the audience still hear me?
[25:40.880 --> 25:42.880]  Yeah, the audience can still hear you.
[25:42.880 --> 25:44.880]  Okay, I'll keep talking then.
[25:44.880 --> 25:46.880]  You let me know when Randy gets back on.
[25:46.880 --> 25:47.880]  I'm back.
[25:47.880 --> 25:49.880]  Okay, Randy, yeah.
[25:49.880 --> 25:52.880]  You know, I don't know if you were able to hear the rest of what I said.
[25:52.880 --> 25:56.880]  I didn't want to keep going without pausing in case you had a question.
[25:56.880 --> 26:01.880]  But, you know, I don't know if you're aware of what happened with MS Global.
[26:01.880 --> 26:06.880]  Do you remember hearing about them back in December of 2011?
[26:06.880 --> 26:12.880]  They stole like $3 billion worth of customers' money.
[26:12.880 --> 26:16.880]  And it was John Corzine, who used to be the governor of New Jersey.
[26:16.880 --> 26:19.880]  He was the CEO of MS Global.
[26:19.880 --> 26:25.880]  And Gerald Filente had money in an account where he had bought,
[26:25.880 --> 26:27.880]  he was about to settle on gold.
[26:27.880 --> 26:32.880]  I think he had bought a futures gold contract and the termination date was coming due,
[26:32.880 --> 26:36.880]  the expiration date was coming due, and he was going to demand settlement
[26:36.880 --> 26:39.880]  in the physical gold he bought rather than paper profits.
[26:39.880 --> 26:44.880]  And they just stole the money out of his account as well as 100,000 other accounts.
[26:44.880 --> 26:49.880]  And they never put the money back in and these people just lost their money.
[26:49.880 --> 26:55.880]  Now, the same thing happened more recently to a company called Sentinel
[26:55.880 --> 27:01.880]  where they stole the people's money and now the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals
[27:01.880 --> 27:07.880]  just published a week ago today a ruling that said that these financial institutions can do that
[27:07.880 --> 27:15.880]  and they have problems that they can actually hypocrite or pledge our deposits.
[27:15.880 --> 27:17.880]  We think we have money in an account.
[27:17.880 --> 27:22.880]  These financial institutions can pledge our money against their debts
[27:22.880 --> 27:26.880]  and if they start to go under, they can take our money.
[27:26.880 --> 27:31.880]  And the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals just ruled that that's okay.
[27:31.880 --> 27:37.880]  So really, they have just legalized the banks and different financial institutions
[27:37.880 --> 27:41.880]  stealing the allocated accounts that people have.
[27:41.880 --> 27:45.880]  And this has not been published by the mainstream media, but you can look it up.
[27:45.880 --> 27:54.880]  We really need to start addressing this issue then because this sounds like an oligarchy.
[27:54.880 --> 28:05.880]  Well, we live under a fascist business model that is an oligarchy of the banksters,
[28:05.880 --> 28:06.880]  a bankster oligarchy.
[28:06.880 --> 28:08.880]  We already live under that.
[28:08.880 --> 28:10.880]  They control our politicians.
[28:10.880 --> 28:13.880]  I think most of your listeners know that.
[28:13.880 --> 28:20.880]  I was just in Tennessee with my family and when I go to these functions,
[28:20.880 --> 28:27.880]  when you get together with a bunch of people, they tend to always want to talk about politics.
[28:27.880 --> 28:32.880]  And I have a real problem because when I start talking about these things,
[28:32.880 --> 28:42.880]  they all want to hash around all of the popular issues that the government pushes in front of us
[28:42.880 --> 28:46.880]  in order to keep us busy so we don't pay attention to the real issues.
[28:46.880 --> 28:47.880]  Sure.
[28:47.880 --> 28:52.880]  And when I start addressing the real issues, it always gets real quiet.
[28:52.880 --> 28:53.880]  Yeah.
[28:53.880 --> 29:00.880]  People don't want to talk about these things because they're just too frightening to contemplate.
[29:00.880 --> 29:01.880]  Right.
[29:01.880 --> 29:02.880]  Right.
[29:02.880 --> 29:07.880]  So they reject what you have to say and look at you like you're from Mars because it doesn't
[29:07.880 --> 29:09.880]  use their mental paradigm.
[29:09.880 --> 29:10.880]  Right.
[29:10.880 --> 29:19.880]  They have this normalcy bias and they will practice cognitive dissonance for anything
[29:19.880 --> 29:26.880]  that would tend to disrupt their concept of security.
[29:26.880 --> 29:27.880]  Right.
[29:27.880 --> 29:33.880]  I have a brother-in-law who's in his 70s and he asked me a few months ago,
[29:33.880 --> 29:35.880]  what did he do with his investments?
[29:35.880 --> 29:39.880]  And I told him, get him out of dollar denominated assets and get him in silver.
[29:39.880 --> 29:40.880]  He didn't.
[29:40.880 --> 29:45.880]  He lost $100,000 with GMAC and shares in Lehman.
[29:45.880 --> 29:48.880]  And gold was $9 an ounce at the time.
[29:48.880 --> 29:50.880]  Do the math, Charlie.
[29:50.880 --> 29:53.880]  This is Randy Kelp, the devastated Craig.
[29:53.880 --> 29:54.880]  We'll leave our radio.
[29:54.880 --> 29:59.880]  We'll be right back.
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[31:09.880 --> 31:12.880]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then.
[31:12.880 --> 31:13.880]  Brave New Books?
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[32:03.880 --> 32:06.880]  Yeah, I got the warrant.
[32:06.880 --> 32:14.880]  And I'm going to solve them, to the government them, prosecute them.
[32:14.880 --> 32:18.880]  Okay.
[32:18.880 --> 32:30.880]  Okay, we are back.
[32:30.880 --> 32:38.880]  Randy Kelkner of Stevens & Craig rules our radio on our Friday night for our info marathon.
[32:38.880 --> 32:42.880]  And we're talking to our very special guest, Dr. Bill Vieth.
[32:42.880 --> 32:50.880]  And when we went out, we were talking about the Seventh Circuit decision and the potential ramifications
[32:50.880 --> 32:59.880]  for anyone who has their investments in dollar-denominated assets in any of these institutions.
[32:59.880 --> 33:06.880]  Can you give us some idea of what we can expect as a result of this ruling?
[33:06.880 --> 33:16.880]  Yes, you can expect that if you have funds in a bank or a financial institution that there's a high probability
[33:16.880 --> 33:18.880]  that they'll be stolen, they'll be taken.
[33:18.880 --> 33:20.880]  And it's legalized now.
[33:20.880 --> 33:24.880]  The institution that you have them in, it has legalized theft.
[33:24.880 --> 33:27.880]  That's basically, see, that's what they do to us.
[33:27.880 --> 33:33.880]  They keep making laws that they call them laws that legalizes what they do.
[33:33.880 --> 33:40.880]  So people, you know, when they start, you know, wiretapping you or surveilling you and without a warrant,
[33:40.880 --> 33:46.880]  when they, you know, it's already been, the precedent has already been set with some new law or some court ruling.
[33:46.880 --> 33:48.880]  And so it's legalized.
[33:48.880 --> 33:55.880]  And now they have just legalized the theft of your money, your pensions, your IRAs, or possibly even your segregated bank accounts.
[33:55.880 --> 34:06.880]  It's sort of like when the president said, when the president does it, it's not illegal.
[34:06.880 --> 34:08.880]  Right.
[34:08.880 --> 34:13.880]  So if they need to do something that would otherwise be illegal, all they need to do is change the laws.
[34:13.880 --> 34:21.880]  And since the banks pretty well have purchased our legislators,
[34:21.880 --> 34:28.880]  they can pretty well buy whatever they need and make whatever criminal actions they want to take perfectly legal.
[34:28.880 --> 34:30.880]  Right, right.
[34:30.880 --> 34:41.880]  Let me give your audience, if it's okay with you, the names of two individuals where they can get some really good information on what we're talking about right now.
[34:41.880 --> 34:44.880]  Is that okay if I give the names out?
[34:44.880 --> 34:46.880]  Absolutely.
[34:46.880 --> 34:54.880]  There's a lady that I've been listening to on the Internet and she, in my opinion, has become the best interview on the Internet.
[34:54.880 --> 34:57.880]  And her name is Anne Barnhart.
[34:57.880 --> 35:00.880]  First name is A-N-N-N.
[35:00.880 --> 35:10.880]  Her last name is spelled B as in boy, A-R-N-H-A-R-D-T, Barnhart.
[35:10.880 --> 35:16.880]  You can Google her and bring up her website or bring up different interviews that she's done recently.
[35:16.880 --> 35:18.880]  She is brilliant.
[35:18.880 --> 35:20.880]  I mean, absolutely brilliant lady.
[35:20.880 --> 35:25.880]  She used to have her own little brokerage firm and she dealt in commodities.
[35:25.880 --> 35:30.880]  And back in December when MS Global stole billions of dollars of clients' money,
[35:30.880 --> 35:37.880]  she realized that, you know, she was the intermediary in the brokerage that where she had her clients' funds,
[35:37.880 --> 35:44.880]  they were subject to be in stolen, too, so she closed up her business because she wasn't about to have her clients' funds stolen
[35:44.880 --> 35:52.880]  by these institutions where they had the money waiting to settle on the different futures contracts they had bought.
[35:52.880 --> 35:56.880]  So she has a lot of integrity and she closed up her whole business.
[35:56.880 --> 35:58.880]  She lives in Denver, Colorado.
[35:58.880 --> 35:59.880]  Her name is Anne Barnhart.
[35:59.880 --> 36:03.880]  Do a Google honor and start reading her stuff and listening to her interviews.
[36:03.880 --> 36:05.880]  She's really good.
[36:05.880 --> 36:15.880]  And the best newsletter, in my opinion, I've been reading a lot of newsletters from a lot of different authors over the last 10 years.
[36:15.880 --> 36:18.880]  I paid subscriptions to a number of them.
[36:18.880 --> 36:22.880]  And the best newsletter writer is a guy named Jim Willie.
[36:22.880 --> 36:29.880]  He's got a Ph.D. in statistics and it's a paid newsletter subscription, but his material is just unbelievable.
[36:29.880 --> 36:35.880]  He's got contacts in countries all over the world that give him inside information.
[36:35.880 --> 36:43.880]  I've been reading him for 10 years, so I know that things he has talked about in the past have come, you know, to pass most of them.
[36:43.880 --> 36:48.880]  And he's just got the best newsletter and the best information on the Internet.
[36:48.880 --> 36:56.880]  And if you can't afford to subscribe to Jim Willie, he does write a lot of free articles that are posted on a lot of different websites.
[36:56.880 --> 37:04.880]  So you can Google Jim Willie and read his free stuff if you can't afford to pay for his newsletter.
[37:04.880 --> 37:10.880]  But in my opinion, Anne Barnhart's the best interview on the Internet. Jim Willie's got the best newsletter on the Internet.
[37:10.880 --> 37:16.880]  And two other good ones to read are a guy named Ranting Andy Hoffman.
[37:16.880 --> 37:27.880]  He's with Miles Franklin and a guy named Jeff Nielsen. His last name is spelled N-I-E-L-S-L-N.
[37:27.880 --> 37:33.880]  And those people are some of the best writers. You know, there's so much on there you can't read everybody,
[37:33.880 --> 37:40.880]  but if you read the people whose names I just gave you, you'll get some really good information.
[37:40.880 --> 37:50.880]  For someone who is not financially savvy, what do we need to look for?
[37:50.880 --> 38:02.880]  What are the signs or the portents of things to come that we need to look for so that we'll know how to read these things?
[38:02.880 --> 38:10.880]  I think as you start to look for what are called capital controls, where the governments come in and start intervening more in the markets,
[38:10.880 --> 38:20.880]  like now they intervene in the background, they manipulate markets in various ways, but the public doesn't see it and it's never reported.
[38:20.880 --> 38:25.880]  When you start to see the capital controls come in, like they just came in and said,
[38:25.880 --> 38:35.880]  $10,000 used to be the number that if you did a transaction over $10,000, the banking institution was required to report that transaction to the IRS.
[38:35.880 --> 38:39.880]  They recently lowered it to $3,000. That's the capital control.
[38:39.880 --> 38:46.880]  If they ever start saying, you know, you can only take so much out of your ATM machine in a week's time,
[38:46.880 --> 38:54.880]  or you can only get so much cash out of your bank account, or you have a pension fund with money in it,
[38:54.880 --> 39:00.880]  you can't take it out now. We're going to spend the pension money on buying treasury bonds,
[39:00.880 --> 39:06.880]  which means funding more government debt when they start to tell you where the pension money has to be invested.
[39:06.880 --> 39:13.880]  Different types or IRAs, when they start to put more restrictions, these are all called capital controls where the government comes in
[39:13.880 --> 39:21.880]  and tries to squeeze us and continue so that you can't have a bank run and get your money out and do something else with it.
[39:21.880 --> 39:28.880]  We certainly don't want people getting money out of the banks and keeping it in cash or using that cash to buy gold and silver.
[39:28.880 --> 39:37.880]  So when you start to feel the squeeze with these different rules and regulations and laws, then that means things are speeding up even more.
[39:37.880 --> 39:42.880]  And of course, if we ever see a bank holiday where the banks are closed and they devalue the dollar or something,
[39:42.880 --> 39:49.880]  then that would be a signal to everybody that the day of reckoning is upon us.
[39:49.880 --> 40:02.880]  I looked at something last year that I wasn't able to pursue at the time, but I would like to consider that again.
[40:02.880 --> 40:07.880]  We have a sponsor on the network who sells gold and silver.
[40:07.880 --> 40:18.880]  And I talked to him about setting up an account where instead of people paying me for my services,
[40:18.880 --> 40:32.880]  they simply go to this gold or silver dealer and purchase gold or silver and then put that gold or silver in an account with my name on it.
[40:32.880 --> 40:46.880]  Are there any controls that you know of that would prevent us from having an account based on gold and silver instead of on green dollars?
[40:46.880 --> 40:54.880]  You know, for all the money I took in last year, I actually saw very little of it.
[40:54.880 --> 41:01.880]  The vast majority of all of those funds were just marks on the ledger.
[41:01.880 --> 41:07.880]  And the barometer for those marks on the ledger were green dollars.
[41:07.880 --> 41:23.880]  If I were to stop accepting payment directly, but do all my business as barter, as trading in gold and silver,
[41:23.880 --> 41:44.880]  is there anything that you can think of, any capital controls or government restrictions that would interfere or make it difficult or impossible to do business outside the banking system this way?
[41:44.880 --> 41:52.880]  Well, not if you live in Utah, they just made it law that gold and silver is now legal tender in Utah.
[41:52.880 --> 41:56.880]  But it has to be minted in the United States.
[41:56.880 --> 42:01.880]  And there's 12 other states now looking at passing similar laws.
[42:01.880 --> 42:07.880]  So see, the states can't print money like the Federal Reserve can for the federal government.
[42:07.880 --> 42:10.880]  So the states, they run into problems.
[42:10.880 --> 42:13.880]  They can go bankrupt and then they always look to the federal government.
[42:13.880 --> 42:18.880]  But the states are starting to look for ways to have competing currencies with the Federal Reserve note.
[42:18.880 --> 42:22.880]  So they're starting to implement rules that say you can use gold and silver.
[42:22.880 --> 42:24.880]  But see, it depends on what kind of gold.
[42:24.880 --> 42:27.880]  Now, I'm not a CPA or a tax attorney.
[42:27.880 --> 42:33.880]  So I certainly don't know all the new measures that IRS puts in new restrictions all the time.
[42:33.880 --> 42:35.880]  I don't know what they all are.
[42:35.880 --> 42:42.880]  I don't think there's anything that would stop somebody where you could say, I want to be paid in silver.
[42:42.880 --> 42:45.880]  And then do you want physical silver to be stored somewhere?
[42:45.880 --> 42:48.880]  Do you want it to be there's different kinds of ways to buy silver?
[42:48.880 --> 42:52.880]  You can have paper silver that supposedly there's physical backing it.
[42:52.880 --> 42:57.880]  And you can have the certificate that says you own a certain number of ounces of silver.
[42:57.880 --> 43:00.880]  But good luck when you actually want the silver delivered.
[43:00.880 --> 43:03.880]  So there's a little bit of logistics problems.
[43:03.880 --> 43:09.880]  If you want people to buy the silver for you, that's a little bit difficult and unwieldy for them.
[43:09.880 --> 43:16.880]  If they have to buy physical silver and then spend the money to ship the physical silver to wherever you want it shipped.
[43:16.880 --> 43:18.880]  And then you've got to store it.
[43:18.880 --> 43:21.880]  So, you know, there's there.
[43:21.880 --> 43:35.880]  But if I had a dealer in in golden silver, right, and I had someone call that dealer and say, I'd like to purchase.
[43:35.880 --> 43:39.880]  Say, $100 worth of silver.
[43:39.880 --> 43:44.880]  And I'd like you to apply it to this guy's account.
[43:44.880 --> 43:45.880]  Okay, hang on.
[43:45.880 --> 43:49.880]  This is Randy Kelton, Debbie Steven, J.D. Craig with our radio.
[43:49.880 --> 43:53.880]  We're talking to our special guest, Dr. Bill Leith.
[43:53.880 --> 44:01.880]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[44:01.880 --> 44:05.880]  The Oakland City bombing, top 10 reasons to question the official story.
[44:05.880 --> 44:09.880]  Reason number two, why was the ATF AWOL?
[44:09.880 --> 44:19.880]  Paramedic Tiffany Bible, who was on the scene within five minutes, has stated in an affidavit that agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms told her that they were not in the office that morning.
[44:19.880 --> 44:26.880]  D&T Catherine Mallet, also overheard one agent say to another, is that why we got the page to not come in today?
[44:26.880 --> 44:45.880]  The ATF initially denied these claims, and now variously claim that one of their agents was in a free-falling elevator which has been disproven, or that they had been in an all-night stick out, or that they had been at a golf tournament.
[44:45.880 --> 44:55.880]  As they try to sort out their lies, all we want to know is, did the ATF receive a warning, and if so, why did they not pass it on to others and memorials?
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[46:40.880 --> 46:46.880]  I'm just here making my living, pushing buttons.
[46:46.880 --> 46:56.880]  Okay, we are back, Miranda Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, and ruleoflawradio, and we're talking to Dr. Bill Veith.
[46:56.880 --> 47:05.880]  And I sort of bushwacked Dr. Veith with this issue, I hadn't addressed it with him before we went on the air.
[47:05.880 --> 47:19.880]  But it's been something that's interested me for a long time in talking about the states who are exercising their right to declare gold and silver as legal tender.
[47:19.880 --> 47:23.880]  In the patriot community, there's a lot of misunderstanding about that.
[47:23.880 --> 47:41.880]  We have people say that when they read the Constitution, they think it means that the prohibition on the states from making anything legal tender other than gold and silver also prohibits the federal government.
[47:41.880 --> 47:43.880]  Well, it doesn't.
[47:43.880 --> 47:53.880]  However, it does authorize the states to make gold and silver legal tender.
[47:53.880 --> 47:56.880]  And, you know, I had considered that.
[47:56.880 --> 48:12.880]  What if all of the states declared gold and silver legal tender, say, valued based on weight of Suici, and then told the federal government to take their green dollars and stick them.
[48:12.880 --> 48:18.880]  It would give control of our financial systems back to the states.
[48:18.880 --> 48:24.880]  But when we get down to the actual mechanics of how to do that, they get somewhat more complex.
[48:24.880 --> 48:34.880]  And this is something I've considered about a year ago that I hadn't had time to go back in and complete, but it may be a good time to look at it.
[48:34.880 --> 48:42.880]  We have kept corn bullion that to advertise on our network.
[48:42.880 --> 48:59.880]  It would seem that instead of trading with services to individuals for green dollars, I should be able to trade services with individuals for commodities.
[48:59.880 --> 49:04.880]  Those commodities specifically being gold and silver.
[49:04.880 --> 49:13.880]  And Dr. Wieth, can you envision a way we could do that effectively?
[49:13.880 --> 49:23.880]  Considering the fact that, you know, with fiat currency, we're moving marks on a ledger that represent pieces of paper.
[49:23.880 --> 49:31.880]  When we start moving marks on a ledger that represent gold and silver, the gold and silver may or may not exist.
[49:31.880 --> 49:36.880]  Do you have any idea how we could implement something like that?
[49:36.880 --> 49:39.880]  Well, yeah, there are ways to do it.
[49:39.880 --> 49:49.880]  Again, who I would defer to on this is Dr. Edwin Vieira has already written about this and come up with ways to do it.
[49:49.880 --> 49:57.880]  He is the foremost authority in the world on the history of real money in the United States.
[49:57.880 --> 50:00.880]  He's already got a plan for how to do it.
[50:00.880 --> 50:09.880]  It would take you probably an hour to read it because anything I talked about now would be overly simplistic, but sure, there's a way to do it.
[50:09.880 --> 50:16.880]  And I would defer to Dr. Edwin Vieira for your audience to read what he's written on it.
[50:16.880 --> 50:32.880]  He's come up with a plan. He's already presented that plan to Utah and a number in South Carolina and a number of other states that are implementing laws to make gold and silver legal tender and a competing currency with the Federal Reserve note.
[50:32.880 --> 50:40.880]  And see what's going to happen if we have a collapse of the dollar, the barter system will go into effect by default.
[50:40.880 --> 50:44.880]  I mean, people will start to barter because nobody's going to want to pay for dollar.
[50:44.880 --> 50:53.880]  So believe me, human ingenuity will come up with things locally and statewide and federally for how to transact business.
[50:53.880 --> 50:56.880]  We don't really need a central bank.
[50:56.880 --> 50:59.880]  We don't need the government being involved in money at all.
[50:59.880 --> 51:02.880]  The government has no business being in money.
[51:02.880 --> 51:17.880]  They hate gold and silver because gold and silver is in the ground. People can dig it out. They can't control the issuance and the contraction of gold and silver or commodities like they can pay for currency where they totally control it.
[51:17.880 --> 51:21.880]  And so they want to control the money system and they want to control the government.
[51:21.880 --> 51:28.880]  And that's why we bomb other countries. That's why we bomb Iraq. That's why we're talking about bomb Iran. That's why we went into Libya.
[51:28.880 --> 51:39.880]  We don't want these, our government does not want these other countries using anything but dollars, Federal Reserve notes, and gold and silver is a major threat to them and barter is a major threat to them.
[51:39.880 --> 51:47.880]  However, when the paper currency system collapses, as everyone has done in history, we will go to barter and we'll go to competing currencies.
[51:47.880 --> 51:54.880]  And, you know, people talk about going back on a gold standard. We don't even need to go on a gold standard because a gold standard would be regulated by somebody.
[51:54.880 --> 51:59.880]  What we need is people use whatever they want to for money, whatever barter they want to.
[51:59.880 --> 52:10.880]  But the way the governments get control is they tell you you have to pay your taxes in Federal Reserve notes or popsicle sticks is my example in the past.
[52:10.880 --> 52:19.880]  And then all of a sudden they create artificial value on Federal Reserve notes or popsicle sticks that we have to run around and compete to get them so we can pay taxes.
[52:19.880 --> 52:24.880]  And then once they get us competing for those things, then they make them legal tender.
[52:24.880 --> 52:32.880]  And then people use those because if I have my choice of using a Federal Reserve note or silver to pay my bill, I'm going to give them the crap paper.
[52:32.880 --> 52:35.880]  I'm going to give them the Federal Reserve note and hoard my silver.
[52:35.880 --> 52:44.880]  So as long as you've got a central bank, you know, that has anything to do with the money supply or the issuance of the money or the control of the money,
[52:44.880 --> 52:53.880]  we're not going to have free markets and we're not really going to be able to really use the gold and silver because everybody's going to hoard the good stuff and use the bad stuff.
[52:53.880 --> 53:06.880]  Well, I've been looking at this in terms of the Internet and the explosion of access to information.
[53:06.880 --> 53:35.880]  And it appears as though the fiat currency system was designed so that money would be easy to transact back and forth and there was some kind of barometer, some kind of stable value that people could use to trade in goods and services that were not exactly even in their nature.
[53:35.880 --> 53:48.880]  If I'm trading a box of nails for a pair of boots, it's not always obvious what the value of the two are, but if I have a currency in between, then that can tell me what the value is.
[53:48.880 --> 54:06.880]  And when you were saying that people could trade in any commodity, in today's world, I could trade in lead and you could trade in gold, silver, popsicle sticks.
[54:06.880 --> 54:22.880]  And we have the technology now to make this kind of conversion without some artificial intermediary like a fiat currency or even a gold coin.
[54:22.880 --> 54:32.880]  90% of what I do is all electrons hanging around somewhere in somebody's database.
[54:32.880 --> 54:39.880]  So it would seem to be simple enough to trade anything we want to.
[54:39.880 --> 54:46.880]  What's going to happen when the public begins to realize that we don't need those green dollars?
[54:46.880 --> 54:49.880]  Well, they're not going to realize we don't need them.
[54:49.880 --> 54:54.880]  What they're going to realize is they don't want them because they're becoming worthless.
[54:54.880 --> 55:02.880]  That's what finally happens is in hyperinflation is the paper currency gets rejected.
[55:02.880 --> 55:05.880]  Nobody wants to trade their labor or their goods.
[55:05.880 --> 55:10.880]  Nobody wants to sell their food for pieces of paper that are becoming more and more worthless.
[55:10.880 --> 55:14.880]  So what happens is people just start rejecting the paper.
[55:14.880 --> 55:15.880]  They just don't want it.
[55:15.880 --> 55:27.880]  It's not that they realize that they don't want to trade goods and services and labor and energy for pieces of paper.
[55:27.880 --> 55:29.880]  And so they just reject it.
[55:29.880 --> 55:32.880]  And then they start figuring out, okay, what do I do want to take for it?
[55:32.880 --> 55:41.880]  And of course, a uniform monetary system makes transacting in business very convenient.
[55:41.880 --> 55:46.880]  If you have an identifiable medium of exchange that you know has a certain value to it.
[55:46.880 --> 55:49.880]  But see, Federal Reserve notes have no value.
[55:49.880 --> 55:52.880]  They have purchasing power, but they have no value.
[55:52.880 --> 55:58.880]  But see, a true dollar is a United States minted coin of 371.25 grains of silver.
[55:58.880 --> 56:00.880]  That has a fixed value.
[56:00.880 --> 56:01.880]  It never changes.
[56:01.880 --> 56:03.880]  Its value is its weight in silver.
[56:03.880 --> 56:12.880]  So you can always measure the change in the value of other things if you have a fixed value for your currency.
[56:12.880 --> 56:16.880]  But the US dollar floats and it floats against every other currency.
[56:16.880 --> 56:17.880]  It has no value.
[56:17.880 --> 56:22.880]  It has a purchasing power as long as people will accept it, but eventually they won't accept it.
[56:22.880 --> 56:29.880]  So it's still nice to have a uniform monetary system that people can depend on.
[56:29.880 --> 56:35.880]  Because if you're trading popsicle sticks, well, the guy you want to buy something from might not want those popsicle sticks.
[56:35.880 --> 56:40.880]  If I'm trading copper, he might not want copper because it's heavy.
[56:40.880 --> 56:41.880]  He might want gold.
[56:41.880 --> 56:46.880]  So what you have to have is competing currencies that people can trade in whatever they want to.
[56:46.880 --> 56:51.880]  But by default, the best monetary systems in the world, and this is not an opinion.
[56:51.880 --> 57:01.880]  History shows this, have always been when gold and silver are monetized and put into a uniform coin so that people can recognize it.
[57:01.880 --> 57:03.880]  It's non-perishable.
[57:03.880 --> 57:05.880]  You can't destroy gold.
[57:05.880 --> 57:08.880]  You put gold or silver in the bottom of the ocean for a thousand years.
[57:08.880 --> 57:10.880]  It won't lose one grain of value.
[57:10.880 --> 57:17.880]  So there are reasons that gold and silver have always been accepted as money and other things aren't as good a form of money.
[57:17.880 --> 57:27.880]  So, you know, but when the paper currency system collapses, probably at first before we figure out, you know, I don't know how the system is going to shake out once we have the collapse.
[57:27.880 --> 57:41.880]  This is, we've never had a worldwide currency collapse like what's coming because we've never had a currency that had the reach, the breadth and depth that the dollar has around the world.
[57:41.880 --> 57:44.880]  So when it collapses, all of the paper currencies are going to collapse.
[57:44.880 --> 57:55.880]  I mean, there's a possibility that every paper asset in the world could go to zero because if they're all denominated in dollars that are becoming, that are worthless, who's going to want anything paper?
[57:55.880 --> 58:05.880]  A paper is just a promise to pay something of value, and if you can't get something of value, who wants any of the paper, whether it's a bond, a stock, a dollar, a euro?
[58:05.880 --> 58:07.880]  You see what I'm saying?
[58:07.880 --> 58:09.880]  So I don't know how it's going to shake out.
[58:09.880 --> 58:13.880]  I don't know if anybody can tell you how it's going to shake out after we have the collapse.
[58:13.880 --> 58:15.880]  Okay, we're about to go to break.
[58:15.880 --> 58:28.880]  When we come back, this is an interesting subject for me particularly because of the proliferation of computer systems and the Internet.
[58:28.880 --> 58:37.880]  I'm beginning to think that the whole paradigm is shifting, and everything may be different in the next few years.
[58:37.880 --> 58:46.880]  I'd like to address that, and Mark, I see you there, will probably go to you in a segment after this one.
[58:46.880 --> 58:49.880]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens, and Craig.
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[01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:39.880]  I won't pay for the war with my body. I ain't gonna pay for the car with my money. I won't pay for the fun with my body.
[01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:50.880]  I ain't gonna pay for the fun with my body. I ain't gonna pay for the fun with my body. I ain't gonna pay for the fun with my body.
[01:03:50.880 --> 01:04:10.880]  And this radio program has just interrupted our vigorous debate on the break, and we were talking about how to implement some other medium of exchange other than gold and silver, and come to a very basic conclusion,
[01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:22.880]  and it is that I don't know enough to really talk about this subject. So we're going to go to Mark in Wisconsin,
[01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:34.880]  because I told Dr. Wieth Mark is always intelligent and insightful and will have us a very pointed question directly on topic.
[01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:36.880]  Hello, Mark.
[01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:46.880]  Hello this evening, Mr. Kelton. And in fact, I will keep it on topic, even though how much I'd love to relay the events in my case.
[01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.880]  We will do that in the second hour.
[01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:50.880]  Okay.
[01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.880]  So you can come back. We'll bump you back up on the board.
[01:04:53.880 --> 01:05:04.880]  All right. I've got a few things. I've been tracking energy money for a number of years, and I have some observations, and I even have a potential answer to your problems, Mr. Kelton.
[01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:13.880]  First thing is there is a website called complementarycurrency.org, and they have something called the CC Library.
[01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:23.880]  And in that is more than enough reading material that you can then engage in philosophical arguments on how many pinhead bankers can dance at one time,
[01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:29.880]  in addition to how wide their pinstrikes must be on their suits.
[01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:38.880]  Now, on the idea of a currency or means of exchange, there is something that's already being done called time banking,
[01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:47.880]  and there is software that can be used for time banking or whatever exchange message you want, open source called silos.
[01:05:47.880 --> 01:06:00.880]  It turns out they have an extension for cell phones so that you can enter in the exchange at the point with the cell phone,
[01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:06.880]  and then the other counterparty can confirm the exchange, and the exchange is done.
[01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:17.880]  That software was written up as prompting that they didn't win a Google of Code award, but they came a runner up, but the code got written anyway.
[01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:27.880]  And as far as your gold and silver with a bank, the downside is you'd lose the loving protection of our federal government,
[01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:41.880]  but the Lakota people have a bank doing with gold and silver directly, and they are part of Rob Gray's open source currency project,
[01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:49.880]  which does silver coins, customizing silver coins, gold coins, and copper coins.
[01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:58.880]  Now, one other possible economic, oh, and near 30 cents a gas, you might remember that was in 1964-65.
[01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:05.880]  Well, in 1963, at a certain point, gas was a 25 cents gallon.
[01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.880]  In 1963, we had silver in our quarters.
[01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:18.880]  Those quarters are not worth over $5.50, so one can ponder where the inflation is when you frame it that way.
[01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:21.880]  My goodness, that's over 20 to 1.
[01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.880]  Well, that's scary.
[01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:28.880]  The gas is still the same.
[01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:30.880]  You know, I have a quarter.
[01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.880]  I want to get a gallon of gas.
[01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.880]  In 1963, my quarter would get me a gallon of gas.
[01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:43.880]  Today, that same quarter is worth over $5.50, so you get a gallon of gas plus a little extra.
[01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:49.880]  Okay, when people argue about, well, gold in my pocket would weigh a lot,
[01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:56.880]  I would like to point out that rounding up 374 grams is in a tryout,
[01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:06.880]  and each bill printed by the Treasury is about 374 grams, so you'd have 374 grams.
[01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:08.880]  I'm losing you, Mark.
[01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.880]  Okay, each bill weighs a gram.
[01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:19.880]  There are 374 grams in a tryout, so if you have 374 $20 bills,
[01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:24.880]  that weighs the same as one gold coin, a tryout's gold coin.
[01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:30.880]  So to have the value in Federal Reserve notes of in gold,
[01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:36.880]  you would carry around more weight in $20 bills than you would in a gold coin.
[01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.880]  So when people argue that these gold coins would be weighty in their pocket,
[01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.880]  well, it would be more weighty to carry around $20 bills.
[01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.880]  Good point.
[01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:48.880]  Another point.
[01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:52.880]  And even more if you were carrying around singles.
[01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.880]  Yes, correct.
[01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.880]  Much of our infrastructure was built on $5 a gallon oil,
[01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.880]  which of course we are unlikely to ever see again,
[01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.880]  so part of our paradigm shifting we're going to have to do without a clutch
[01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:11.880]  is figuring out how we have our infrastructure with our energy budget
[01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.880]  with much more...
[01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:13.880]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:14.880]  You said $5 a gallon.
[01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:16.880]  You meant $5 a barrel?
[01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:17.880]  A barrel.
[01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:18.880]  Right.
[01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:19.880]  You may have a cul-pah.
[01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:24.880]  So we have to figure out as part of this whole thing is what we're going to do
[01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:30.880]  about energy and its artificial low cost when we built everything
[01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:32.880]  compared to what it is now.
[01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:37.880]  Finally, an energy observation, if you are a relatively fit person,
[01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.880]  you can generate about 90 watts of physical work with your upper body.
[01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:47.880]  If your land farm's strong and on whatever doping he got his metals pulled for,
[01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.880]  you can do 600 plus watts for 30 minutes.
[01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.880]  If you're a fit person pedaling,
[01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:57.880]  you can do about 200 watts for eight hours continuous.
[01:09:57.880 --> 01:09:58.880]  Here's the thing.
[01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:03.880]  For a 230-watt solar panel I saw on sale while I was waiting,
[01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:07.880]  209 300-watt solar panels, 364.
[01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:12.880]  So effectively, if you spend $350 in the sun shining for that eight hours,
[01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:17.880]  you've got more physical wattage or physical work that could be done
[01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.880]  if it could be converted directly than a human being pedaling.
[01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:22.880]  We have...
[01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:23.880]  Wait a minute.
[01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.880]  You haven't seen Dr. Reef pedal his.
[01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:28.880]  Okay.
[01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:34.880]  However, if it was Randy pedaling, he'd be going backwards.
[01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.880]  Yes, it would.
[01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:38.880]  That might be true.
[01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:43.880]  Well, the only problem I have pedaling is my knees keep bumping into my belly.
[01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.880]  Pedal long enough and that won't happen for you anymore.
[01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:56.880]  So one of the things that was suggested back in the 1920s
[01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:01.880]  when we were having optimism about the future,
[01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:06.880]  there was a group of people thinking about embracing the old Greek philosophy
[01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.880]  of work only enough to pay your bills
[01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.880]  and meet your obligations and the rest being leisure.
[01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.880]  Well, we may be looking at that again
[01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.880]  because as robots and automation continue,
[01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.880]  plus if you can stick this panel in the sunlight
[01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.880]  and do the work of a human being,
[01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:33.880]  there's going to be a whole lot less work for us as robots and such replace us.
[01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:38.880]  So the question becomes, what do we do with that displaced labor?
[01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:43.880]  Then the last one is because that thought was going on in the 1920s,
[01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.880]  a group of people got together including Howard Odom
[01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:53.880]  and M. King Hubbard of Hubbard's Peak fame with Peak Oil.
[01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.880]  They got together and created something called Technocracy.
[01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.880]  And Technocracy still exists as an organization.
[01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:02.880]  It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down.
[01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.880]  They suggested the idea of using energy as money.
[01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:10.880]  So imagine if you will, you go ahead and walk into the burger joint,
[01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:15.880]  you can go, hmm, it's going to cost me 500 watts of energy to buy that burger
[01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.880]  or 10,000 watts to buy that Barbie doll.
[01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.880]  I'd like to be warm tonight.
[01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.880]  I'd like to watch television.
[01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:27.880]  Is that item worth that much of me being able to do something else?
[01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:33.880]  It would be an interesting mental switch if we all had that kind of accounting.
[01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:38.880]  Downside to using energy, money is supposed to have some permanency
[01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:46.880]  and energy has none at all.
[01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:51.880]  How's that for a series of things to think about?
[01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:55.880]  That was an interesting dissertation.
[01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:57.880]  So what was your point?
[01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:02.880]  Well, um,
[01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:12.880]  if your guest has some questions or counterpoints or statements.
[01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:13.880]  Say that again.
[01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:15.880]  We missed part of that.
[01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:16.880]  Okay.
[01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:18.880]  If your guest has counterpoints, questions and that,
[01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:25.880]  I'm more than happy to engage on any of these points with what little I know.
[01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:30.880]  Well, I don't, if he's asking if I have any questions.
[01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.880]  Yeah, I wasn't really following everything you were saying.
[01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:40.880]  I'm sure there are a lot of concepts out there for how people can engage in different types of barter.
[01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:45.880]  But, you know, one thing, one phrase I always remember is that,
[01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:50.880]  and I've got who said this quote, but I don't have it memorized.
[01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:51.880]  I have the quote memorized.
[01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.880]  He said, gold is the money of kings.
[01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.880]  Silver is the money of gentlemen.
[01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.880]  Barter is the money of peasants and debt is the money of slaves.
[01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:05.880]  Now we use debt so we're slaves.
[01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.880]  Now I'm sure there's different kinds of barter systems,
[01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:13.880]  but a true monetary system used by gentlemen has been, you know,
[01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:17.880]  our money system is based on silver, even in the United States, the silver dollar.
[01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:24.880]  And money has to be something that's an acceptable medium of exchange,
[01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.880]  not just accepted by two people because they can transact in whatever they want.
[01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:29.880]  That's barter.
[01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:36.880]  But a uniform acceptability as the medium of exchange is one criterion for money.
[01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.880]  The other is it has to be a unit of account.
[01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:48.880]  So you have to have one type of unit that defines what a dollar or what the unit of account is for the monetary system.
[01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:55.880]  And the third variable or the third criterion has to be money has to be a store of value.
[01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:03.880]  That's been the problem with most of the currencies imposed on us by central banks and governments is they have no store of value.
[01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:10.880]  They have purchasing power for a discrete time period until they collapse, but they have no value.
[01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:16.880]  So some of the things you're mentioning, I'm not sure if they have a store of value.
[01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.880]  They may, I don't know, you know, maybe after we have a currency collapse,
[01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:24.880]  there'll be some new system that I don't understand right now or haven't thought of.
[01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.880]  And some of the things you mentioned, I wasn't even following.
[01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:31.880]  But, you know, money has to have those three criteria.
[01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:39.880]  That was what I was thinking about that earlier with the change in technology.
[01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:52.880]  Money as we have known it for the last six millennium may no longer be necessary.
[01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:56.880]  Money has the primary things that has to have a store of value.
[01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:02.880]  All we really need is a medium of exchange.
[01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:14.880]  And that medium of exchange, because we have the capacity to do comparisons to most any commodity,
[01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:22.880]  we could effectively trade in any set of commodities or even labor.
[01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:23.880]  That's barter.
[01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:28.880]  Barter could become, we haven't done barter directly.
[01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.880]  That's how we originally did all our trade.
[01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:39.880]  But it cannot allow for as high of a division of labor as an acceptable money system does
[01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:42.880]  it has those three criteria that I mentioned.
[01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:48.880]  But that's what I'm thinking with the new technology, the whole paradigm may be changing.
[01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.880]  Well, the new technology may have convenience to it, but you've got to have the store of value.
[01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:54.880]  Otherwise, I don't want to.
[01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:55.880]  Okay, hang on.
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[01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.880]  Okay, we are back. Randy Kelton and David Stevenson did a great review of my radio.
[01:19:54.880 --> 01:20:07.880]  And we were talking about monetary systems, money, and the advent of the electronic age.
[01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:14.880]  And it's my thinking that we may be at a point in the history of the human race
[01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:22.880]  to where money as a medium of exchange may no longer be necessary,
[01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:30.880]  or even less than necessary, but a problem because it's so readily manipulated
[01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:38.880]  by those in positions of political power and those with lots of money
[01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:47.880]  that we're at a point where we may well be able to go to a whole different paradigm.
[01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:52.880]  And I was suggesting to Dr. Ethel in the air that I could trade in lead,
[01:20:52.880 --> 01:21:01.880]  and you could trade in teddy bears, and through an electronic comparison system,
[01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:08.880]  we could establish a trade value between the two.
[01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.880]  It would need to store a value in some particular thing,
[01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:17.880]  but if I'm trading in lead, I need to store a value of lead.
[01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:23.880]  If you're trading in terror, teddy bears, you'd need to be...
[01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.880]  Well, if we're at the point of trading in lead, Randy,
[01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:28.880]  they're going to be sending plenty of it back at us anyway.
[01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.880]  Well, perhaps.
[01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:37.880]  But I'm wondering if there may not be a whole different paradigm on the horizon.
[01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:43.880]  Well, that's possible. What you're talking about is inventing a new monetary system
[01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:45.880]  that we've never had before.
[01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:49.880]  So I can't really think of one.
[01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:54.880]  Maybe there are people that maybe something will come of it and it will develop and evolve.
[01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.880]  I don't think we can invent a new monetary system here on the air tonight,
[01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.880]  but the thing is, Randy, even in what you just said,
[01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.880]  if we're talking about lead and teddy bears, what do I get to show
[01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.880]  how much of either lead or teddy bears I owe?
[01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:15.880]  A piece of paper? Or how do I have evidence that I own something?
[01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:17.880]  What is it that I'm going to have?
[01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:21.880]  It's kind of like my debit card here. I've got this debit card.
[01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:28.880]  And I don't ever see the money or whatever gives this card value.
[01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.880]  It always has those marks and ledger.
[01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.880]  It's dollars that are behind that debit card right now.
[01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:36.880]  When you're talking about lead and teddy bears,
[01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.880]  what is it that I'm going to have that shows what I owe?
[01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:46.880]  Am I going to have a piece of paper that says I owe 50 teddy bears?
[01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:52.880]  Yeah, or the value of 50 teddy bears?
[01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.880]  That doesn't work. You can't talk about the value of something
[01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:00.880]  because what backs the security that you're talking about,
[01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.880]  whether it's a debit card or a piece of paper
[01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:10.880]  or something, what backs it is I have to have recourse to the thing of value
[01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:12.880]  if I don't want the paper.
[01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:17.880]  So if I want to have the teddy bears or the lead delivered to me,
[01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:22.880]  that's the thing of value that backs the security that you're talking about.
[01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:25.880]  But I may not want teddy bears.
[01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:30.880]  Well, we're sort of trading in credits here.
[01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:35.880]  That's the problem. Now you're talking about another fiat currency system,
[01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:40.880]  a barter fiat currency system rather than one imposed by a central bank.
[01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.880]  Right, but she was a barter system.
[01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.880]  Of course it's a barter system. You're talking about teddy bears and lead.
[01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.880]  Yeah, in order to manipulate this particular system,
[01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.880]  you'd have to manipulate all the quantities.
[01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.880]  But if you talk about the value of teddy bears and lead,
[01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.880]  what are you talking about is the measure that's going to measure that value.
[01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:06.880]  You have to have a standard item that doesn't change, that measures the value.
[01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:11.880]  Just like if you talk about a distance, you have to have an inch that never changes,
[01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.880]  and that's what you measure to change. See what I'm saying?
[01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:18.880]  But we never have had one of those when it comes to monetary systems.
[01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.880]  We sure have. We've got one now. It's called a silver dollar that's invented at the United States.
[01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:28.880]  375, 375.25 grains of silver. Now that's silver dollar that...
[01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:33.880]  But how many coffee cups is that silver dollar worth?
[01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:38.880]  Well, you tell me, okay, that silver dollar will buy me a certain number of coffee cups
[01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:44.880]  because somebody that sells coffee cups would be glad to take my silver dollar.
[01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:52.880]  Yeah, what I'm saying is we may be able to, with the advent of the electronic age,
[01:24:52.880 --> 01:25:03.880]  use anything as a medium based on the current trading value of that particular product or item or commodity.
[01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:09.880]  Okay, I'm not understanding what you're saying because what you're talking about is a bunch of floating commodities out there,
[01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:14.880]  and there's no standard measure to measure the value.
[01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.880]  What you're looking about is the ratio between two items.
[01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:25.880]  But how do we even know that? If we don't have seconds and minutes and hours, we can't measure time.
[01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:29.880]  There's no way to compare. If we don't have inches, we can't measure distance.
[01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:34.880]  That's why we have standard measurements to measure things.
[01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:42.880]  We hold up a dollar here, and we say, okay, people are trading in dollars all the time,
[01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:51.880]  so when somebody sells his chunk of lead, he can calculate how many dollars that chunk of lead will bring.
[01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:59.880]  And this guy over here selling his teddy bears, he can calculate how many dollars that teddy bear will bring.
[01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:10.880]  That's just a gauge, and we could just as easily do that by saying how many teddy bears would it take to purchase?
[01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:18.880]  The problem is not everybody, history shows that not everybody in the world wants teddy bears.
[01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:19.880]  That's right.
[01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:25.880]  And that's the thing of value. History does show that everybody has always wanted gold and silver.
[01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:31.880]  And the only time, and it's never that they haven't wanted it, it's the governments have come in and made it illegal
[01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:33.880]  and said you have to take this.
[01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:38.880]  We're not going to let you use the gold and silver as money as a store of value. You have to take this.
[01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:46.880]  Now, you're trying to invent a new monetary system, and I don't want to participate in it because I don't want teddy bears and I don't want lead.
[01:26:46.880 --> 01:27:00.880]  I'm trying to find an alternative to a system where the government can readily and capriciously determine the value of our medium of exchange.
[01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:10.880]  If you're doing an experiment, you have to have an independent variable that doesn't change so that you can measure the change in the dependent variables.
[01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:17.880]  If you don't have an independent variable that stays fixed, you can't measure the change in everything. Everything floats.
[01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:21.880]  That's what the governments and the central banks have tried to do with us.
[01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:28.880]  That's why we never know the value of anything. Everything floats against everything, and that's why they can manipulate and control us.
[01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:41.880]  You have to have one thing that is a standard measure just like an inch or a second or a quart or a gallon or something that never changes so that you can measure the change in everything else.
[01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:53.880]  If your system has no independent variable and no standard of measurement, then we're all going to get screwed again and taken again because everything gets, you know, we don't know the value of everything.
[01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:58.880]  It has purchasing power as long as somebody wants the teddy bearer to live.
[01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:03.880]  That is a very good point. The independent variable is conserved.
[01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:11.880]  And that's so standard and basic, but it's so foreign to us because we've never been allowed to have it in our lifetimes.
[01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:18.880]  We've been brainwashed into systems that think we don't need a standard, but we do.
[01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:28.880]  If the inch floated, let's say a minute floated, okay, and you told me to be on your show at eight o'clock, and I got here at nine o'clock and said, oh, we got a floating inch.
[01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:38.880]  You didn't know it was floating. I mean, you couldn't conduct your life if you didn't have standard measures, inches, minutes, seconds. They can't change.
[01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:51.880]  The monetary system is the same way. It has to start with a standard, something that has a standard value that's never allowed to change, and then you can measure everything in the world as it changes against that independent variable.
[01:28:51.880 --> 01:29:00.880]  But if you never have the independent variable, then you can't measure the true value of anything ever.
[01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.880]  Yes, and thus the problem with the fee on currency.
[01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:10.880]  That's the problem. That's exactly right. And that's exactly the point I'm trying to hope I get across to the people of this show.
[01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:18.880]  You've got to have a standard of measurement that never, ever changes, and you can't allow it to change.
[01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:22.880]  So Anita, we could do it with an algorithm.
[01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:26.880]  Why can't you do it with gold or silver?
[01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:33.880]  Because thus far in our history, those haven't worked so well because...
[01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:45.880]  It's not that they haven't worked. It's that the people in power won't let them work because they can't steal from us and they can't steal our labor and our energy if we're using real money to measure the value of everything.
[01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:53.880]  Well, that was exactly it. They were able to manipulate that system to bring us out of it.
[01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:57.880]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevens, Eddie Craig, Willis Law Radio.
[01:29:57.880 --> 01:29:59.880]  We'll be right back.
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[01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:40.880]  Randy Calton, David Steven, David Craig.
[01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:45.880]  And we're talking to our special guest, Dr. Bill Vief.
[01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:56.880]  And on the break, we were talking about how the measurement can never change, the systems of weights and measures.
[01:32:56.880 --> 01:33:06.880]  And I indicated that we have a system of weights and measures, but money's not one of them.
[01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:14.880]  I mean, they're closely in there in the Constitution and close, but money changes all the time.
[01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:18.880]  So, Dr. Vief, tell us how it doesn't change.
[01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:22.880]  It does change by government fiat and it's not supposed to.
[01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:29.880]  You know, the point of Jack, again, of 1792, said what a dollar was.
[01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:33.880]  It's a silver coin with 371.25 grains of silver.
[01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:34.880]  That's never changed.
[01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:35.880]  That's just been ignored.
[01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:42.880]  If you get a silver dollar right now, the last time the government started minting them, I think the last year they minted them was 1929 or something,
[01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.880]  get a silver dollar, melt it down.
[01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:48.880]  It's got 371.25 grains of silver.
[01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.880]  So, that's never changed.
[01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:52.880]  We just stopped minting the silver dollars.
[01:33:52.880 --> 01:34:00.880]  But the government in concert with the Federal Reserve has come in and altered our money system so that we don't have a standard of value.
[01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:06.880]  That's why the Federal Reserve note has lost 97% of its purchasing power.
[01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:11.880]  On its way to losing 100% of its purchasing power, it has no standard of value.
[01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:20.880]  And if we keep inventing new monetary systems that have no standard of value, we're going to continue to get taken and used by our government.
[01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:27.880]  And our labor and energy is going to become worthless because that's how we store our labor and our energy is in money.
[01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:32.880]  Assuming money has a store of value, but they've made it where money doesn't have a store of value.
[01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:38.880]  It just has utility as a medium of exchange and a unit of account as long as people will accept it.
[01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:42.880]  But it always gets rejected if it has no store of value.
[01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.880]  And it has to have a measurable store of value.
[01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:51.880]  And the measurement has to be standardized so that it never changes.
[01:34:51.880 --> 01:35:03.880]  And it seems that through history, all hard currencies, all of those currencies that were an effective measure,
[01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:12.880]  have by those in positions of power and political position,
[01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:21.880]  seems to have always moved us to a arbitrary monetary system that they can then control.
[01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:22.880]  Bingo.
[01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:31.880]  And if you look at the real estate market now, we have the banks issuing loans.
[01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:36.880]  They don't intend to be paid back because they don't care.
[01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:46.880]  The money's only paper anyway, but it gives them a way to capture our equity, capture the value of this country.
[01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:54.880]  Remember, when the banks give us a loan, they're taking back something tangible as collateral.
[01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:57.880]  If they give me a loan on my house, I have to put up my house as collateral.
[01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:01.880]  Okay, so I'm giving them a note.
[01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.880]  They're taking the note, but they've got collateral behind that note.
[01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:14.880]  And our money system, when they issue paper, is supposed to have something of tangible value, real collateral, behind that paper.
[01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:16.880]  And it did when we started the money system.
[01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.880]  The paper currency was redeemable in gold and silver.
[01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:20.880]  That's the collateral.
[01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:26.880]  If I didn't want to hold the paper because I didn't trust the paper, I could redeem it.
[01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:33.880]  I had recourse to the collateral, to the gold and silver, but they took that away from us.
[01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:35.880]  And they said, we're going to keep the money.
[01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:36.880]  We're going to steal it.
[01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:39.880]  You just pass around the paper and we're going to call it legal tender.
[01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:45.880]  That's why they had to make legal tender laws because who would want those pieces of paper if it wasn't legal tender?
[01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:53.880]  We would want to store our labor and our energy in those things that have the value.
[01:36:53.880 --> 01:37:04.880]  And it was intended that those things that have the value were gold and silver, but that wasn't conducive to easy theft.
[01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:18.880]  So we created a Federal Reserve system where the Federal Reserve can simply print up green pieces of paper and trade those pieces of paper for real world value.
[01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:21.880]  Right. See, they can print them out of thin air.
[01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:23.880]  So they don't care about the paper.
[01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:28.880]  They use the printed paper to get our labor and control us.
[01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:38.880]  See, if they make that piece of paper legal tender and say we have to pay our taxes in that piece of paper and we have to pay all debts public and private in that piece of paper,
[01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:48.880]  now we have to run around every day using our labor and our energy to compete for the worthless crap that they print out of thin air and they get to control us with it.
[01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:53.880]  They get to control the markets. They control our labor. They tap into our energy.
[01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:58.880]  See, they don't care about the piece of paper. They know they're worthless and they print them out of thin air.
[01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:00.880]  They can print as many as they want.
[01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:09.880]  But the problem is if they print too many of them too fast and dilute it, then they're not going to get our energy and labor as long because we're not going to want those pieces of paper anymore.
[01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:24.880]  See, we're going to reject it. So they do it slowly. They've been able to use our energy and labor now since 1933 when they stole the gold in 1968 when they stopped redeeming the paper in silver.
[01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:31.880]  So it's been about 40 years now. They've been able to use our energy and labor and it cost them nothing.
[01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:46.880]  And look how they've controlled us, controlled the markets. See what I'm saying? That's not the way commerce is supposed to be transacting, transacted between free people.
[01:38:46.880 --> 01:39:06.880]  And now look at Greece and Italy and most all of Europe is in a terrible mess now trying to find a way to fix this. But problem is they're trying to fix one fiat currency with another.
[01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:12.880]  Right. And they're all based on debt. They monetize debt.
[01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:22.880]  Again, gold is the money of kings. Silver is the money of gentlemen. Barter is the money of peasants. And debt is the money of slaves.
[01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:31.880]  So we're all slaves to the money masters that print it out of thin air and make us use it by government fiat and eat it.
[01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:38.880]  Okay. And then we have to run around competing for something that would otherwise be worthless and will become worthless as it always, that's not an opinion.
[01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:50.880]  Every fiat currency in history has become worthless. It's an absolute historical fact. And the dollar is 97% of the way on the way to becoming worthless.
[01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:58.880]  And Europe is probably 98% of the way to becoming worthless. It'll probably beat us by about three weeks.
[01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:09.880]  Well, it's charging down that road right now. And you remind me of something in reading the Bible I realized.
[01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:18.880]  Jesus went around preaching a different religious paradigm and nobody got real excited about that.
[01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:26.880]  If you look at the Bible and look what happened just before they crucified Jesus.
[01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:35.880]  They didn't get mad at Jesus until he went into the temple and kicked over the tables of the money changers.
[01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:46.880]  That's when they got excited. What he did then was messed with the people who had control because they had the money.
[01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:57.880]  Right? So how do we get control of the money back in our hands and wrench it away from the thieves and liars?
[01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:03.880]  Well, I started saying this about eight or nine years ago when I started being on these Internet radio shows.
[01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:13.880]  If everybody would go out and trade their worthless paper for gold or silver coin, they could break the back of the fiat currency system.
[01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:21.880]  Just go buy gold and silver to where you've dried up the physical supply of it.
[01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:29.880]  People need silver all the time for industrial use and if they started monetizing it again and there's no physical supply,
[01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:36.880]  see they control the prices of gold and silver right now by issuing the futures markets using paper prices.
[01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:43.880]  In other words, they can sell a futures contract naked that they have no silver or gold behind. They can sell 5,000 ounces of gold or silver
[01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:52.880]  and they don't even have it behind it as collateral and it looks like they just dump 5,000 ounces of gold or silver on the market and suppress the price.
[01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:59.880]  And then when the futures contract comes due, people don't ask for delivery of their physical gold or silver.
[01:41:59.880 --> 01:42:07.880]  They'll take the paper profits. But if everybody asked for physical delivery of their gold and silver, they couldn't control the price of it anymore.
[01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:16.880]  The price would skyrocket. It would expose the worthlessness of the paper currencies and break the back of the fiat currency system.
[01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:18.880]  That's probably how it's going to go down anyway.
[01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:24.880]  Yeah, and that's exactly why they'll start refusing to deliver what they already sold you through that market.
[01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:35.880]  Well, they will refuse to deliver. They can't deliver it. They've sold. They've already had guys testifying that there's probably a hundred ounces of gold and silver
[01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:44.880]  out there sold for every ounce of physical there is. In other words, when everybody starts asking for delivery, there's going to be cascading across the falls all over the world.
[01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:50.880]  All over the world. That's why you want to own gold and silver. And I don't know when that'll happen. It might be again tomorrow.
[01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:57.880]  It might be three years from now. But isn't it better to be five years too early than a minute too late?
[01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:10.880]  Yes, my brother-in-law, he's in his seventies, about a year ago came to me and said, what should I do with my investments?
[01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:18.880]  I said, get them out of dollar denominated assets immediately. What should I do with them? Gold or silver?
[01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:31.880]  I was just in Tennessee recently, and he remarked, made a remark about what should I do with my investments.
[01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.880]  I said, same thing, Charlie. Get them out of dollars denominated assets.
[01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:46.880]  Well, you told me that last time, but I didn't trust silver. Well, you lost $100,000 in cheers to the Navy and GMAC. Silver was $9 an ounce at the time.
[01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:48.880]  What is it now, Dr. Lee?
[01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:53.880]  $31 an ounce. And ready to go way higher.
[01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:59.880]  Hang on, we'll be right back. Randy Kelton, David Stewart, David Craig. We'll be right back.
[01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:08.880]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy, and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.880]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then.
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[01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:35.880]  Ah, by UT? There's never anywhere to park down there.
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[01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:28.880]  Okay, this is Randy Kelkin, Deputy Secretary of Rule of Law Radio. We are opening up our phone lines.
[01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:39.880]  Our call-in number is 512-646-1984. This will be our last segment without the phones.
[01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:48.880]  We'll finish up this segment. There's one issue that I wanted to address with Dr. Vieth, and then we'll go to your calls.
[01:46:48.880 --> 01:47:05.880]  When we went out, I was talking about my brother-in-law. He lost 100,000 outright, not to mention the value that he's lost in all of his stocks and all of his investments over the last year or so.
[01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:16.880]  He asked me point-blank what to do. I gave him a suggestion. Had he done that, he would have still had that 100,000 he lost.
[01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:24.880]  And if he had put it in silver, it would have increased three and a half times.
[01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:38.880]  So instead of losing 100, he would have had 350, so he'd have been almost a half a million dollars better off than he is.
[01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:50.880]  But he still cannot bring himself to take his investments out of those investments he's trusted in his whole life,
[01:47:50.880 --> 01:48:00.880]  even though it's clear that he could well wind up losing everything. What is that, Dr. Vieth?
[01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:09.880]  Okay. In psychology, there's a concept that would describe that type of thinking or information processing.
[01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:14.880]  It's called the Assimilation Accommodation Model of Information Processing.
[01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:27.880]  And what that model says is that most people can, if they're presented with information, they can assimilate information that fits their existing model.
[01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:35.880]  But if they're given novel information that doesn't fit their existing model, they would have to accommodate the model.
[01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:40.880]  They'd have to come up with a new paradigm. And for some reason, most people cannot do that.
[01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:46.880]  Some people can. Most people can only assimilate information that fits their model.
[01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:54.880]  They can't accommodate the model to incorporate the new information unless a crisis occurs or something major happens
[01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:58.880]  where they almost have no choice but to accommodate their model.
[01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:04.880]  And when we talk about when the collapse occurs, the day of reckoning, when the bank holiday comes,
[01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:11.880]  that may be the event that changes the model for many people. Some people may not ever be able to do it.
[01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:18.880]  You know, even people of very low IQ, we call them concrete thinkers. They really can't think abstractly.
[01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:25.880]  So a concrete thinker, if you said to them, give me the definition of a brick.
[01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:30.880]  Well, they can do that because a brick is tangible. They can feel it, see it, picture it in their mind.
[01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:36.880]  They could describe a brick, okay? If you tell them, give me the definition of liberty.
[01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:40.880]  They couldn't do it because it's an abstract concept.
[01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:48.880]  If you ask them what a car is, they can picture a car and tell you what it is. If you tell them what's, you know, freedom.
[01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:54.880]  As an example, they couldn't do it because they can't think abstractly. Okay, they just don't have the mental capacity to do it.
[01:49:54.880 --> 01:50:00.880]  Well, for some reason, some people cannot change their mental constructs very easily.
[01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:06.880]  And there can be different reasons. It can be denial. You know, there's a lot of people don't want to change their mental construct
[01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:11.880]  because they don't want to believe that their paper assets may be worthless or becoming worthless
[01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:20.880]  or maybe they're totally valueless. They may not want to believe that their government and their Federal Reserve is doing this to them, you know?
[01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:26.880]  So for some people, they don't change their mental paradigms just because out of denial, you know?
[01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:31.880]  And some people don't have the mental capacity to do it.
[01:50:31.880 --> 01:50:37.880]  And some people don't really want to know the truth. You know, really, they want to be told what's comfortable for them, what they want to hear.
[01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:40.880]  That's a personality variable, you know?
[01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:46.880]  If some woman tries on a dress and says, oh, I love this dress. Don't I look good in it?
[01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:50.880]  Do you think they want to hear you say no, you don't, or I don't like that dress?
[01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:54.880]  They want to be told what they want to hear. Oh, the dress looks great because they just...
[01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:55.880]  Oh, so...
[01:50:55.880 --> 01:51:00.880]  I love this dress and think I look great in it. Don't you think so? They've already primed it for the answer they want.
[01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:10.880]  So when my wife asked me if this dress makes her butt look big, I shouldn't have said yes.
[01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:18.880]  Probably so, Randy. Based on what happened right after that, you tell me the answer to that.
[01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:22.880]  Yeah, I shouldn't have said yes.
[01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:28.880]  That's why, see, I've learned I never ask my wife, how do I look?
[01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:30.880]  Women can tell you.
[01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:32.880]  I might not like the answer.
[01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:37.880]  My wife said, do not tuck your shirt in.
[01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:42.880]  They said, why not? That's the only way I can see my belt buckle.
[01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:45.880]  She said, you can't see it anyway.
[01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:57.880]  Right. But, you know, it is strange the way, you know, I just see a lot of people that they really, really don't want to hear the truth.
[01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:00.880]  And I can give you another example that happens all the time.
[01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:10.880]  This is off topic, but on 9-11 of 2001, three buildings collapsed at freefall speed into their own footprint.
[01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:12.880]  Two of them were hit by airplanes.
[01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.880]  One of them had a small fire on one floor.
[01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:23.880]  It was a 47-story building, steel-framed, had a small fire on one floor, and it collapsed at freefall speed into its own footprint.
[01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:27.880]  The government has never, ever told us how that collapsed.
[01:52:27.880 --> 01:52:35.880]  And so, even when people argue, when I tell them that collapsed at freefall speed into its own footprint, how do you explain that?
[01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:43.880]  They'll come up with some lame brain excuse for how it could have happened, and then I'll say to them, okay, what's the government's official version of how it collapsed?
[01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:45.880]  Tell me what the government says.
[01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:47.880]  The government never told us how it collapsed.
[01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:55.880]  People don't understand the ramifications of a building collapsing when it only has a small, so, you know, a fire on one floor.
[01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:02.880]  So what I tell them is the government's version of the events of 9-11 could not possibly have happened.
[01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:06.880]  Now, I don't know who did it or what happened, but the official explanation couldn't possibly have happened.
[01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:07.880]  They never even told us.
[01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:18.880]  So people don't even get the ramifications of a building falling in its own footprint at freefall speed, and no explanation for how it happened.
[01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:19.880]  Cognitive.
[01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:30.880]  I had a, my father-in-law, I came in to the, he was a sign painter, and I came into his shop, and he had a spot on his chest about as big as the end of my finger.
[01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:34.880]  And I said, Lou, you really need to go get that looked at.
[01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:43.880]  Two months later, I came into the shop, and he was there working, and that spot on his chest was as big as my thumb.
[01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:48.880]  I took one look at it, and I thought, this is a dead man.
[01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:54.880]  I said, Lou, why didn't you go have that looked at?
[01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:59.880]  He said, I was afraid of what they would tell me.
[01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:02.880]  Right, he didn't want to hear the truth.
[01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:07.880]  He could not accept that that could happen.
[01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:08.880]  Right.
[01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:11.880]  Even knowing this was going to kill him.
[01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:12.880]  Yeah.
[01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:18.880]  Now that, you know, in that case, that's maybe even a little more understandable, you know.
[01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:25.880]  There might be a lot of people that would react like that, that they really don't want to, but it, but that just shows that it happens in all kinds of things.
[01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:27.880]  It even happens with our monetary system.
[01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:30.880]  People don't want to hear the truth about money.
[01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:34.880]  They don't want to hear the truth about what the government and the Federal Reserve have done to us.
[01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:38.880]  But you ignore the truth to your detriment.
[01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:44.880]  You know, I may not always really want to hear the truth, but actually I really do want to hear the truth.
[01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:51.880]  Even no matter how it shakes out or how it's going to affect me or what it's going to do to me, I want to know the truth.
[01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:53.880]  I want to know what's going on.
[01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:54.880]  Okay.
[01:54:54.880 --> 01:55:01.880]  Not everybody feels like that and I don't know why, but maybe that's the way they have to adapt to life.
[01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:04.880]  Maybe that's the way they get through life and maybe that works for them.
[01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:06.880]  It doesn't work for me.
[01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:12.880]  And so that's what I think all of this boils down to is who are true to truth seekers.
[01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:14.880]  And I think they're the minority of us.
[01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:19.880]  I don't think in my observations, this is not a psychological or clinical opinion.
[01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:29.880]  This is a personal opinion. In my observations of people's thinking and their behavior, I would say that most people do not want to know the truth.
[01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:31.880]  They might have got certain things, but not other things.
[01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:37.880]  But if you said you want to know the truth about everything, most people really don't.
[01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:44.880]  And even if they say they do, when you start giving them evidence for it, they'll reject it or they'll counter it, even if they don't have any evidence.
[01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:50.880]  So we almost live in a delusional world, a false world.
[01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:57.880]  We've been given false information in our textbooks, in our news media, in our newspapers, by our parents.
[01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:00.880]  Some of it not intentional and some of it not intentional.
[01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:04.880]  We've been given a lot of false information about history and about how the world works.
[01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:10.880]  And some people, if you believe that just because it's information doesn't mean it's truth.
[01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:18.880]  So if you believe it and you read a lot about it, you may be well informed, but it doesn't mean you have truth.
[01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:25.880]  So there's a difference between having knowledge and there's a difference between having information and having truth.
[01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:30.880]  So some people want to continually pursue the truth.
[01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:36.880]  And some people don't. They're happy with just consuming information and swallowing it.
[01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:49.880]  I suspect that if everyone was a truth seeker, this would be a very complex world we live in.
[01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:59.880]  So one of the things I've had to come to accept is that each of us has our own place and our own purpose.
[01:56:59.880 --> 01:57:08.880]  And I suppose it's left to those of us who are here to seek truth to find it and make it available to the rest.
[01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:14.880]  Some will be able to take advantage of it, some will not.
[01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:25.880]  And Eddie, Deborah, and I have made it our purpose and Dr. Vieth to bring as much of the truth to people as we possibly can.
[01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:30.880]  And just hope that someone comes away with something they can keep.
[01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:38.880]  And I understand I hear the frustration in your voice and I feel the same frustration.
[01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:43.880]  Well, you know, Randy, the other thing is the truth is not easy to find.
[01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.880]  I mean, there have been many times in the past when I thought I had the truth.
[01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:51.880]  I mean, I was very committed to my opinions 20 years ago.
[01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:55.880]  And my opinions have changed dramatically since I thought I had the truth then.
[01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:03.880]  But see, at least I realize when I find new evidence that supports a different conclusion, I'm willing to say I was wrong.
[01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:08.880]  You know, when I was voted Republican or when I voted for this guy, I thought I had the truth and I didn't.
[01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:11.880]  And so now I think I have the truth now.
[01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:16.880]  I may find in 10 years from now that I'm wrong now, but I'm in continual pursuit of the truth.
[01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:18.880]  I have no other agenda.
[01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:21.880]  I don't sell anything with my opinions to make money.
[01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:23.880]  I don't have a website.
[01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:29.880]  All I want is to try to find the truth because I really do believe know the truth and the truth will set you free.
[01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:32.880]  OK, we're about to do a breakdown, Steve.
[01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:39.880]  I had the truth once, but that's when I was 16 and it's went downhill from there.
[01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:42.880]  This is Randy Kelton, David Stevenson, Eddie Craig from Rural Radio.
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