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[00:00.000 --> 00:06.000]  Baby Brain gets blamed for forgetfulness in a host of other postpartum mental states.
[00:06.000 --> 00:09.000]  But does having a baby really turn a new mom's brain into mush?
[00:09.000 --> 00:14.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albert and I'll be back in a moment with surprising research on the maternal mind.
[00:14.000 --> 00:20.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again.
[00:20.000 --> 00:25.000]  And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[00:25.000 --> 00:33.000]  So protect your rights. Say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself. Privacy, it's worth hanging on to.
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[00:44.000 --> 00:51.000]  New moms do indeed experience brain changes, but new research shows they don't lose mental power, they actually get smarter.
[00:51.000 --> 00:57.000]  In the weeks following birth, mothers gain a small but significant amount of gray matter in several areas of the brain,
[00:57.000 --> 01:05.000]  including those associated with reasoning and judgment. The more excited a mom is about her newborn, the more the gray matter increases.
[01:05.000 --> 01:12.000]  Gray matter is the brownish-grey neural tissue in the brain. Generally speaking, more gray matter means higher intelligence and ability.
[01:12.000 --> 01:21.000]  Yes, new moms can sometimes be forgetful, but it's not their brain at fault, say researchers. It's more likely due to the demands of motherhood and sleep deprivation.
[01:21.000 --> 01:32.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht for StartPage.com, the world's most private search engine.
[01:32.000 --> 01:38.000]  A picture is worth a thousand words or maybe a few hundred calories in the cafeteria.
[01:38.000 --> 01:46.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht and I'll be back in just a moment with details on a bizarre government scheme to photograph kids' lunches.
[01:46.000 --> 01:56.000]  Privacy is under attack. When you give up data about yourself, you'll never get it back again. And once your privacy is gone, you'll find your freedoms will start to vanish too.
[01:56.000 --> 02:04.000]  So protect your rights, say no to surveillance and keep your information to yourself. Privacy, it's worth hanging onto.
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[02:15.000 --> 02:20.000]  Hold it right there, kid. I need a picture of that pickle and a photo of that french fry.
[02:20.000 --> 02:26.000]  At five elementary schools in San Antonio, cafeteria cameras are snapping pics of kids' lunches.
[02:26.000 --> 02:36.000]  A barcode IDs each food tray that a camera identifies with the child selected. At the end of the meal, another camera looks at the leftovers to see what actually got eaten.
[02:36.000 --> 02:43.000]  The result is a detailed nutritional profile on each student that the government wants to get its hands on to reduce obesity.
[02:43.000 --> 02:48.000]  So what is the price tag on this invasive plan to record every last french fry and green pea?
[02:48.000 --> 02:53.000]  Two million bucks of our federal tax money. No wonder the country's going broke.
[02:53.000 --> 02:58.000]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht. More news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
[03:23.000 --> 03:33.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
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[04:35.620 --> 04:38.180]  Here on the Rule of Law.
[04:38.320 --> 04:41.180]  I'm your host, Deborah Stevens here with Eddie Craig.
[04:41.260 --> 04:42.820]  Tonight is traffic night.
[04:44.060 --> 04:44.940]  It is
[04:44.940 --> 04:53.460]  Monday, June 25th, 2012, I will be giving a recap of the San Antonio Film Festival in
[04:53.460 --> 04:55.460]  the next segment.
[04:55.460 --> 04:58.620]  But first, we have a guest.
[04:58.620 --> 05:05.100]  We've got Antonio Beeler from Austin, Texas that should be calling in shortly.
[05:05.100 --> 05:11.900]  He's going to be talking about his new project, The Peaceful Streets, and also just giving
[05:11.900 --> 05:17.180]  us an update on his case, which many of you are familiar with, most of you are familiar
[05:17.180 --> 05:18.180]  with.
[05:18.180 --> 05:21.180]  So we have Antonio Beeler on the line right now.
[05:21.180 --> 05:24.180]  Antonio, thank you for joining us tonight.
[05:24.180 --> 05:25.180]  Thank you, my pleasure.
[05:25.180 --> 05:28.180]  So why don't you just, I'm going to give you the floor.
[05:28.180 --> 05:33.460]  Why don't you give the recap of the situation to our listeners and talk about your Peaceful
[05:33.460 --> 05:34.460]  Streets project?
[05:34.460 --> 05:36.460]  Sure, thank you.
[05:36.460 --> 05:40.580]  So on New Year's Day, I was the designated driver.
[05:40.580 --> 05:45.180]  I was driving my friend home before I was going to head home, and we were running low
[05:45.180 --> 05:50.180]  on gas, so we pulled into a 7-Eleven on Lamar and West 10th.
[05:50.180 --> 05:54.700]  And while we were there, we observed a DUI stop in progress.
[05:54.700 --> 06:03.660]  And at one point, one of the two cops began to violently assault the female passenger
[06:03.660 --> 06:07.860]  who had committed no crime, yanking her out of the vehicle, throwing her to the ground,
[06:07.860 --> 06:10.180]  twisting her arms behind her back.
[06:10.180 --> 06:16.220]  And then the other cop, Patrick Gaborski, joined in on the fray.
[06:16.220 --> 06:21.460]  And I started to take pictures with my cell phone camera, so did my friend.
[06:21.460 --> 06:27.100]  When the female passenger who was being abused saw this, she began to scream and cry and
[06:27.100 --> 06:29.700]  beg us to videotape and film it.
[06:29.700 --> 06:35.420]  And so at that point, I started to yell to the cops to stop assaulting her.
[06:35.420 --> 06:39.820]  And that she hadn't done anything wrong, so there was no need for them to do that.
[06:39.820 --> 06:46.660]  That resulted in Patrick Gaborski coming towards me, getting in my face, pushing me at which
[06:46.660 --> 06:51.100]  time I immediately threw my hands up and asked him why he was touching me, and he continued
[06:51.100 --> 06:58.580]  to push me into the back of the truck and then ultimately decided to arrest me, later
[06:58.580 --> 07:08.140]  claiming that I fit in his face, which, fortunately, is disproven by the various audio and videotape
[07:08.140 --> 07:13.980]  that have surfaced, unfortunately, the district attorney and the police department are pushing
[07:13.980 --> 07:20.580]  forward with this charge, which is a felony, which carries two to ten years in prison.
[07:20.580 --> 07:24.740]  We are still waiting for the grand jury to convene, and we're hoping that once it does
[07:24.740 --> 07:30.340]  convene that I will get no bill, and that they will then go ahead and, you know, actions
[07:30.340 --> 07:35.540]  can be taken against the criminal cop who were the ones who broke the law that night.
[07:35.540 --> 07:43.500]  Yes, and this is absolutely wonderful that there were bystanders across the street that
[07:43.500 --> 07:50.700]  videotape this entire interaction between these rogue criminal police officers and yourself,
[07:50.700 --> 07:51.700]  Antonio.
[07:51.700 --> 07:57.380]  And I remember as all of this was going down, and you put out the call into the media for
[07:57.380 --> 08:03.100]  anyone who happened to have witnessed this or videotaped it to please step forward and
[08:03.100 --> 08:11.260]  give you the videotape, and fortunately, thankfully, the Lord always provides some people step forward
[08:11.260 --> 08:16.580]  and they have videotaped this entire transaction, which proves that you never spit in this officer's
[08:16.580 --> 08:19.780]  face, nor did you resist arrest or any of the such.
[08:19.780 --> 08:24.540]  You were not in their face, you were not aggressive in any way whatsoever, and so this videotape
[08:24.540 --> 08:32.340]  has now come forward, and this has prompted you to launch the Peaceful Streets Project.
[08:32.340 --> 08:35.580]  So why don't you tell folks a little bit about this?
[08:35.580 --> 08:36.580]  Right.
[08:36.580 --> 08:42.780]  So after the events of that night, and a lot of scurrying by me and a lot of my friends
[08:42.780 --> 08:47.940]  and supporters to try to get witnesses to step forward, which allowed the video to come
[08:47.940 --> 08:53.540]  forward and the community got on my side and they supported us monetarily to defray the
[08:53.540 --> 08:59.900]  legal class, I was able to take a step back and start listening to the many stories of
[08:59.900 --> 09:04.980]  abuse that people were sharing with me, their personal stories of police abuse, and some
[09:04.980 --> 09:10.180]  of them were really, really heart-wrenching people who've been sexually assaulted, violently
[09:10.180 --> 09:15.220]  physically assaulted, thrown in jail for crimes they didn't commit, had their property stolen
[09:15.220 --> 09:16.740]  by the police.
[09:16.740 --> 09:22.700]  We just realized that this was an opportunity where it was so obvious that I was a victim
[09:22.700 --> 09:28.940]  of police abuse where I had done nothing wrong, there's no way to even spin that I was in
[09:28.940 --> 09:33.420]  the wrong place at the wrong time, I was doing something wrong, I had priors, none of that
[09:33.420 --> 09:34.420]  existed.
[09:34.420 --> 09:39.020]  And so we just felt like this was an opportunity for us to try to help combat the police violence
[09:39.020 --> 09:40.380]  that is going on.
[09:40.380 --> 09:45.020]  So we launched the Peaceful Streets Project with the intention of informing people what
[09:45.020 --> 09:50.540]  their rights are when they interact with police, teaching them how to de-escalate a situation
[09:50.540 --> 09:57.220]  when they come across a rogue criminal cop, and then helping to enable them to record
[09:57.220 --> 10:02.940]  their interactions with police so that the police turn to criminal behavior and assault
[10:02.940 --> 10:09.420]  or set up these victims so that we have a way to help exonerate those people, clear
[10:09.420 --> 10:14.780]  their names, and then hopefully see justice against the criminal cops.
[10:14.780 --> 10:20.980]  And so we've been at it for two and a half months, we've raised over $10,000 to buy 100
[10:20.980 --> 10:25.660]  cameras to hand out to people so that they can go into the streets and videotape interactions
[10:25.660 --> 10:27.580]  between the police and the people.
[10:27.580 --> 10:32.540]  We're setting up a legal defense fund so those people who go out and videotape cops, if those
[10:32.540 --> 10:38.100]  cops turn against them for exercising their First Amendment rights and try to bully them
[10:38.100 --> 10:43.580]  around or arrest them for a bogus crime, like interfering or something, that we can help
[10:43.580 --> 10:45.420]  to free their legal cause.
[10:45.420 --> 10:49.940]  And on July 14th, that's when our summit is being held, and that's when we're going to
[10:49.940 --> 10:51.940]  hand out those 100 cameras.
[10:51.940 --> 10:54.020]  And it's been going great so far.
[10:54.020 --> 10:59.500]  We've got a lot of support, and we're just hoping that as many people come out on that
[10:59.500 --> 11:04.620]  day for the summit as possible as we work to change the culture here in Austin regarding
[11:04.620 --> 11:09.420]  how the police view the populace and how the populace view law enforcement.
[11:09.420 --> 11:10.420]  Absolutely.
[11:10.420 --> 11:17.380]  And you are also taking other items of donation for victims of police abuse to hand out to
[11:17.380 --> 11:22.980]  folks when they finally get released from what I would deem as being kidnapped by the
[11:22.980 --> 11:25.060]  police and assaulted you.
[11:25.060 --> 11:29.500]  You're taking donations for things like cigarettes and food items and clothing and things like
[11:29.500 --> 11:30.500]  that.
[11:30.500 --> 11:32.580]  Is that the case, Antonio?
[11:32.580 --> 11:33.580]  That's right.
[11:33.580 --> 11:39.820]  The Police Abuse Complaint Department tabling event, which primarily we set them up in the
[11:39.820 --> 11:45.740]  morning outside Travis County Courthouse when people are going in to fight the system, fight
[11:45.740 --> 11:50.340]  for their rights, for their freedom, or in the evenings when people are being released
[11:50.340 --> 11:55.220]  from jail after Spain and not in jail, just to provide support and comfort to let people
[11:55.220 --> 12:01.700]  know that people are thinking about them and that not everyone in society deems them guilty
[12:01.700 --> 12:08.660]  until proven innocent, unfortunately like so many in the justice system and so many in
[12:08.660 --> 12:10.740]  the government deem these people.
[12:10.740 --> 12:13.660]  And some of these events have been very, very successful.
[12:13.660 --> 12:18.380]  We've had people come out and share their own personal stories of abuse, clear cases
[12:18.380 --> 12:24.740]  of police corruption and misconduct, you know, where after they victimize the person that
[12:24.740 --> 12:29.260]  night, whether it's sexual assault, whether it's violent assault, whether it's stealing
[12:29.260 --> 12:34.140]  their property, then they victimize them again by forcing them to go through the system and
[12:34.140 --> 12:39.780]  fight focused charges that they should not even have to be dealing with.
[12:39.780 --> 12:44.780]  And through this, we're also getting people who are saying, okay, I now want a camera
[12:44.780 --> 12:51.580]  and I want to become one of these individuals who goes out and records the police so that
[12:51.580 --> 12:56.660]  I can protect my fellow Austinites so they don't fall victim to the system the way that
[12:56.660 --> 12:57.660]  I did.
[12:57.660 --> 13:00.340]  That's such a wonderful project, Antonio.
[13:00.340 --> 13:05.100]  We very much are in support of it and I know our listeners are as well.
[13:05.100 --> 13:13.220]  And speaking of this videotape that exonerates you, we've talked about this exact situation,
[13:13.220 --> 13:19.020]  I mean not yours specifically, but this exact type of situation regarding what's called
[13:19.020 --> 13:21.540]  exculpatory evidence.
[13:21.540 --> 13:25.860]  And exculpatory evidence is evidence which proves someone's innocence.
[13:25.860 --> 13:30.340]  Now obviously the way the criminal justice system is set up, the burden of proof is
[13:30.340 --> 13:34.820]  on the prosecution to come up with evidence to prove that someone is guilty.
[13:34.820 --> 13:41.300]  However, the police often lie and as is the case with your situation, lying and saying
[13:41.300 --> 13:48.100]  that you spit in the cop's face which isn't true and there's, you know, he said he wiped
[13:48.100 --> 13:53.180]  his face so there's no, you know, he didn't collect the spittle in a vial or anything
[13:53.180 --> 13:58.340]  and so if there was no video evidence to prove one way or the other then it would just be
[13:58.340 --> 14:04.580]  your word against his and oftentimes these juries are rigged and set up and the jury
[14:04.580 --> 14:09.700]  most of the time would believe the police officer and so exculpatory evidence is very
[14:09.700 --> 14:16.780]  important in a situation like this and Eddie and I wanted to mention the fact that at this
[14:16.780 --> 14:23.140]  point in time you or any one of our listeners who has seen the video or has access to it
[14:23.140 --> 14:31.260]  on YouTube or your attorney can give this video to the grand jury as exculpatory evidence
[14:31.260 --> 14:37.660]  to prove your innocence in order to seal the deal to prevent you from being indicted and
[14:37.660 --> 14:42.740]  so this is a very important situation so Antonio I just wanted to get your comments on that
[14:42.740 --> 14:44.340]  and how you feel about that.
[14:44.340 --> 14:51.060]  Oh, it looks like he's dropped, he may call back in but at any rate so Eddie do you want
[14:51.060 --> 14:56.540]  to mention, do you want to chime in on this notion about the exculpatory evidence?
[14:56.540 --> 15:02.980]  Well I haven't actually seen the video he's referring to but what I'm getting out of
[15:02.980 --> 15:07.380]  this is very simple based upon the information that we've talked about down at the bookstore
[15:07.380 --> 15:14.460]  regarding the issue that the Austin cops definitely will do everything they can to destroy anything
[15:14.460 --> 15:17.820]  they possess that would prove exculpatory to him.
[15:17.820 --> 15:22.540]  This is also a problem when you were discussing earlier or he was discussing earlier that
[15:22.540 --> 15:26.540]  the district attorney and the police officers are going to press forward even though they
[15:26.540 --> 15:31.260]  know they are falsely accusing him.
[15:31.260 --> 15:35.940]  That fact alone merits these people going to jail.
[15:35.940 --> 15:45.140]  The district attorney has no power to prosecute an individual for a crime he knows never happened
[15:45.140 --> 15:52.300]  and the fact that a police officer would take the stand to testify to facts he knows are
[15:52.300 --> 16:01.980]  blatantly false is criminal as is the attitude and exercise of that unlawful power by the
[16:01.980 --> 16:03.580]  prosecuting attorney.
[16:03.580 --> 16:13.180]  Yes, and also I wanted to add to this the fact that in law the prosecutor is required
[16:13.180 --> 16:20.260]  to submit all exculpatory evidence to the grand jury and so this video Eddie okay you
[16:20.260 --> 16:25.660]  say you haven't seen it yet I have it's all over not only is it all over YouTube but it
[16:25.660 --> 16:30.260]  has been all over the local news media as well.
[16:30.260 --> 16:37.380]  The mainstream media has picked up Antonio's story and that video has been shown on the
[16:37.380 --> 16:45.860]  local news media multiple times and so there is no excuse for the prosecutor to have not
[16:45.860 --> 16:52.380]  already submitted this video to the grand jury he can't say he doesn't know about it
[16:52.380 --> 16:57.460]  it's been all over the news folks will be right back with Antonio Bieler this is the
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[19:21.940 --> 19:41.860]  okay folks we are back this is the rule of law I'm Debra Stevens here with Eddie Craig
[19:41.860 --> 19:47.620]  it's traffic night but before we get to the traffic issues we are speaking with our guest
[19:47.620 --> 19:53.860]  Antonio Bieler here of Austin Texas and we're discussing this situation about the police
[19:53.860 --> 20:00.020]  lying and this exculpatory evidence and as we were saying anyone who has seen the video
[20:00.020 --> 20:04.900]  you can download it from YouTube anyone can submit it to the grand jury and of course
[20:04.900 --> 20:10.740]  the prosecutor is required to submit all exculpatory evidence to the grand jury that is law that's
[20:10.740 --> 20:17.540]  what says in the statute and Antonio you know I would highly advise all of our listeners
[20:17.540 --> 20:22.380]  I mean especially if it's submitted multiple times people need to get this video into the
[20:22.380 --> 20:28.140]  hands of the grand jury and Eddie and I can discuss more later on how folks can actually
[20:28.140 --> 20:32.820]  do that to help you out you don't need your attorney to take care of that for you anyone
[20:32.820 --> 20:39.620]  can do that so Antonio you had some other issues you wanted to discuss concerning exculpatory
[20:39.620 --> 20:46.500]  evidence regarding the dash cam and the 7-Eleven video so why don't you tell us a little bit
[20:46.500 --> 20:55.060]  about that right so if the listeners may recall we originally tried to get the dash cam and
[20:55.060 --> 21:01.020]  the audio from the police from our New Year's and the police department did a request to
[21:01.020 --> 21:06.740]  the attorney general to press the information for the purposes of the investigation and
[21:06.740 --> 21:13.380]  the attorney general approved that request well the internal affairs did their investigation
[21:13.380 --> 21:18.820]  and surprise surprise they claim that all the claims against the cops were unfounded so
[21:18.820 --> 21:25.140]  the internal affairs report will not be released to the public but through the process I got
[21:25.140 --> 21:31.220]  to meet with the officer of the police monitor and they walked me through the report and
[21:31.220 --> 21:36.300]  it was obvious that the internal affairs engaged in a cover up of what happened but I got to
[21:36.300 --> 21:44.300]  watch the videos and listen to the audio and the dash cam video you can't see what happened
[21:44.300 --> 21:49.020]  between the officers when they were abusing the female passenger or the interaction with
[21:49.020 --> 21:55.780]  me but you can hear very very well and it's pretty obvious that I didn't spit it's pretty
[21:55.780 --> 22:00.700]  obvious that everything that's a borscht said in his affidavit was a lie and that Snyder
[22:00.700 --> 22:09.580]  said about the female passenger was a lie and there's also a 7-Eleven video which I
[22:09.580 --> 22:16.060]  got to see and that shows also that a borscht lied about me coming up to him getting in
[22:16.060 --> 22:22.540]  his face you know yelling at him you know escalating the confrontation it shows the
[22:22.540 --> 22:26.260]  exact opposite he's the one who comes to me he's the one who gets in my face he's the
[22:26.260 --> 22:31.580]  one who keeps raising the volume and he's the one who initiates contact and there's
[22:31.580 --> 22:38.460]  absolutely no evidence whatsoever of fit or any aggressive action on my part because it
[22:38.460 --> 22:44.540]  simply didn't happen and I just think it's pretty shameful that the police department
[22:44.540 --> 22:49.700]  has engaged in this cover up when they have such overwhelming evidence that the criminal
[22:49.700 --> 22:53.540]  in this situation was their own police officers.
[22:53.540 --> 22:59.300]  Oh yeah and I'm afraid that this is a rampant situation and that you're you are not alone
[22:59.300 --> 23:04.500]  and that I suspect this sort of thing happens dozens if not hundreds of times a day in the
[23:04.500 --> 23:10.500]  city of Austin alone imagine how often it goes on all across the country Antonio do
[23:10.500 --> 23:15.260]  you have a copy of any of these these other two videos that you saw?
[23:15.260 --> 23:19.340]  No unfortunately not that's the way that the system is set up the officer of the police
[23:19.340 --> 23:26.220]  monitor is what's created under the police officers union contract and and they're just
[23:26.220 --> 23:31.820]  really hamstrung in what they're able to do and so I wasn't provided with the report
[23:31.820 --> 23:37.660]  for the video I just had that opportunity during those few hours that I came in to you
[23:37.660 --> 23:41.380]  know have the report read to me and to view the video.
[23:41.380 --> 23:47.100]  Well certainly those videos could be subpoenaed before the trial if necessary you could probably
[23:47.100 --> 23:54.220]  even get the 7-Eleven video directly from 7-Eleven themselves that's also another option Antonio
[23:54.220 --> 23:58.860]  we do have a caller on the line that has a question for you would you like to take this
[23:58.860 --> 23:59.860]  call?
[23:59.860 --> 24:00.860]  Sure.
[24:00.860 --> 24:05.860]  Okay we've got Johnny in Texas on points on topic with a question for our guest Antonio
[24:05.860 --> 24:06.860]  Bieler.
[24:06.860 --> 24:08.940]  Johnny what is your question for Antonio?
[24:08.940 --> 24:15.820]  Hey guys well my question is not really specifically for Antonio it's just more related generally
[24:15.820 --> 24:18.660]  to exculpatory evidence.
[24:18.660 --> 24:26.900]  I've read in numerous bar journals and various publications that when a prosecutor is aware
[24:26.900 --> 24:33.060]  that there is exculpatory evidence he or she has a duty to present it and to not hide
[24:33.060 --> 24:38.340]  it and my question is related to you know where would that be found in the Texas statutes
[24:38.340 --> 24:41.300]  and how to hold them accountable for that.
[24:41.300 --> 24:45.260]  It is in chapter 2 of the Code of Criminal Procedure.
[24:45.260 --> 24:52.340]  Yes it's actually statutory required and if the prosecutor doesn't do it then the prosecutor
[24:52.340 --> 24:58.380]  is criminally liable as well as civilly liable can sue the prosecutor can go off to the prosecutor
[24:58.380 --> 25:01.260]  for not submitting the exculpatory evidence.
[25:01.260 --> 25:06.060]  Not only is it a deprivation of rights it's tampering with evidence that's the felony.
[25:06.060 --> 25:11.260]  I was going to say that you actually could have a federal law so you could sue the prosecutor
[25:11.260 --> 25:17.900]  in federal courts for deprivation of rights if he doesn't or she doesn't submit the exculpatory
[25:17.900 --> 25:20.180]  evidence to the grand jury.
[25:20.180 --> 25:25.820]  So that would be the sort of thing that maybe one might want to sit on for a little bit
[25:25.820 --> 25:30.140]  and give the prosecutor an opportunity to present it and then upon failure to do so
[25:30.140 --> 25:31.860]  say surprise.
[25:31.860 --> 25:38.860]  Well no you can go ahead or Antonio or I or any of us could go ahead and submit the evidence
[25:38.860 --> 25:44.220]  the exculpatory evidence to the grand jury that does not mean that the prosecutor is
[25:44.220 --> 25:49.220]  off the hook from submitting it to the grand jury also.
[25:49.220 --> 25:55.540]  Well the only downside of doing that is the prosecutor simply stating oh I was going to
[25:55.540 --> 25:57.900]  do that I just wasn't given enough time.
[25:57.900 --> 26:03.500]  Yeah well it's still he's still the prosecutor is still required to submit that exculpatory
[26:03.500 --> 26:09.060]  evidence to the grand jury no matter what even if somebody else also submits it.
[26:09.060 --> 26:12.980]  Yeah well and what as to Eddie's last comment that's that's kind of what I was thinking
[26:12.980 --> 26:16.100]  is that you know they'll always try to find an out so I'm thinking it would be better
[26:16.100 --> 26:20.700]  to give them every opportunity to do it so that it's clear that they intended not to
[26:20.700 --> 26:21.700]  do it.
[26:21.700 --> 26:26.860]  Well in actuality though my statement it can be offset if you make the argument the fact
[26:26.860 --> 26:32.900]  that he attempted to get an indictment by the grand jury absent the production of that
[26:32.900 --> 26:38.860]  is proof positive that he did not submit along with the other information prior to the indictment
[26:38.860 --> 26:39.860]  occurring.
[26:39.860 --> 26:44.900]  Gotcha and but of course you would have to prove that such exculpatory evidence does
[26:44.900 --> 26:45.900]  exist.
[26:45.900 --> 26:51.740]  Well and see this goes to strategy do you want to get something over with quick and move
[26:51.740 --> 26:57.420]  on with your life and yeah maybe the prosecutor may try to weasel out of it and say well I
[26:57.420 --> 27:01.020]  was going to do it but I didn't have time and there's really no reason for me to do
[27:01.020 --> 27:05.780]  it now that the grand jury already has it that still doesn't let him off the hook legally
[27:05.780 --> 27:10.220]  from being required of doing it and you may get the no bill and get to move on with your
[27:10.220 --> 27:12.460]  life if that's the goal.
[27:12.460 --> 27:18.300]  If the goal is to take them to task as hard as possible and sue them every which way from
[27:18.300 --> 27:24.620]  Sunday in federal court and in state court then risk you may risk getting indicted but
[27:24.620 --> 27:29.380]  then you have a bigger lawsuit on your hand so it's just all it all goes down to what
[27:29.380 --> 27:30.380]  is your goal.
[27:30.380 --> 27:36.460]  And the potential for those individuals to wind up in prison for their acts also becomes
[27:36.460 --> 27:37.460]  greater.
[27:37.460 --> 27:43.300]  Yeah well I prefer the strategy of giving them apple rope to hang themselves and then yanking
[27:43.300 --> 27:44.460]  on it real real hard.
[27:44.460 --> 27:45.460]  Right.
[27:45.460 --> 27:49.140]  Yeah well it's the Napoleon Bonaparte quote of never interrupt your enemy while he's
[27:49.140 --> 27:50.980]  busy making a mistake.
[27:50.980 --> 27:57.140]  Well and again it all goes this is a decision of whoever is you know in the victim in this
[27:57.140 --> 27:58.620]  situation which is Antonio.
[27:58.620 --> 28:03.300]  So ultimately in this case it would be Antonio's decision as to which route he would want
[28:03.300 --> 28:04.300]  to take.
[28:04.300 --> 28:05.820]  And do you have anything else Johnny?
[28:05.820 --> 28:08.060]  Nope that answers my questions I appreciate it.
[28:08.060 --> 28:09.460]  Okay great thanks for calling in.
[28:09.460 --> 28:13.540]  All right Antonio do you have any comments on this?
[28:13.540 --> 28:15.460]  On the exculpatory evidence?
[28:15.460 --> 28:17.700]  Not on the exculpatory evidence.
[28:17.700 --> 28:25.420]  I would like to know if there's any way to force the hand of the government to release
[28:25.420 --> 28:32.780]  these videos and audio you know absent another ruling by the Attorney General or is that
[28:32.780 --> 28:36.020]  just something that has to wait until the grand jury convene?
[28:36.020 --> 28:40.700]  Well the Attorney General can't the only way he can withhold it is if it's the product
[28:40.700 --> 28:42.540]  of an ongoing investigation.
[28:42.540 --> 28:48.340]  And if internal affairs has completed their end of it then the other thing that remains
[28:48.340 --> 28:54.380]  is your criminal trial in which case you are now 100% free to demand production of those
[28:54.380 --> 28:57.500]  videos for your defense.
[28:57.500 --> 29:02.500]  The only way the Attorney General opinion would matter is if it was to withhold release
[29:02.500 --> 29:07.580]  prior to the internal affairs investigation against the officer.
[29:07.580 --> 29:13.620]  Does that make sense Antonio?
[29:13.620 --> 29:14.620]  It does.
[29:14.620 --> 29:20.100]  I submitted a new freedom of information request and filled in multiple other people
[29:20.100 --> 29:25.140]  to the city and they came back and replied to us, referred to the previous statement
[29:25.140 --> 29:28.300]  by the Attorney General, we don't have to share it with you.
[29:28.300 --> 29:32.500]  And in fact they said that they can't share with us even if they wanted to because now
[29:32.500 --> 29:34.700]  it's in the district attorney's hands.
[29:34.700 --> 29:39.460]  All right we'll comment on that when we get back on the other side.
[29:39.460 --> 29:42.020]  Antonio do you want to stay with us for a few more minutes?
[29:42.020 --> 29:43.020]  Yes.
[29:43.020 --> 29:47.500]  Okay all right we're here with our very special guest Antonio Bieler of Austin, Texas.
[29:47.500 --> 29:52.620]  We're discussing this situation of him being wrongfully prosecuted, he's got multiple potential
[29:52.620 --> 29:57.140]  lawsuits on his hands that he could pursue if he does so choose, we'll be right back
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[32:22.100 --> 32:23.100]  Okay folks we are back.
[32:23.100 --> 32:24.100]  This is the rule of law.
[32:24.100 --> 32:31.420]  We're here with our very special guest Antonio Bieler we're discussing this, his Austin case
[32:31.420 --> 32:35.860]  and Antonio right before we went to break you were talking about all these lame excuses
[32:35.860 --> 32:41.380]  that they're giving you about why they can't give these other two tapes to you.
[32:41.380 --> 32:46.140]  They're not allowed to this and that and now they can't anyway because it's in the hands
[32:46.140 --> 32:47.140]  of the district attorney.
[32:47.140 --> 32:52.100]  I mean to me that's just an even more smoking gun against the district attorney.
[32:52.100 --> 32:58.900]  The DA has those other two tapes which are also exculpatory tapes well then you know
[32:58.900 --> 33:03.180]  he better give them he better give those tapes to the grand jury if he doesn't again more
[33:03.180 --> 33:08.580]  criminal liability as well as civil liability so Eddie do you want to comment on that?
[33:08.580 --> 33:14.180]  Yeah the other problem is the attorney general's opinion in no way shape or form could ever
[33:14.180 --> 33:20.300]  apply to exculpatory evidence being provided to the defense.
[33:20.300 --> 33:24.980]  If they won't give it to you through a freedom of our open records act or public information
[33:24.980 --> 33:30.700]  request then do it through a motions discover or discovery motion.
[33:30.700 --> 33:36.180]  Just simply do that there's no way they can deny it in a discovery motion and not be in
[33:36.180 --> 33:40.860]  violation of the right of due process.
[33:40.860 --> 33:46.700]  But would the case already have to commence before he could ask for this in discovery?
[33:46.700 --> 33:47.700]  Absolutely not.
[33:47.700 --> 33:51.020]  There's no charges against him it has commenced.
[33:51.020 --> 33:55.860]  Okay so he can already add a file a motion for discovery to ask for these tapes from
[33:55.860 --> 33:56.860]  the district attorney.
[33:56.860 --> 33:57.860]  Absolutely.
[33:57.860 --> 33:58.860]  All right.
[33:58.860 --> 34:01.860]  Does that answer your question Antonio?
[34:01.860 --> 34:03.360]  Yeah thank you.
[34:03.360 --> 34:08.260]  Yeah see in general the situation with the attorney general the attorney general is the
[34:08.260 --> 34:16.060]  defense attorney for the state and for employees of the state all right acting in their professional
[34:16.060 --> 34:18.620]  capacity as state employees.
[34:18.620 --> 34:21.780]  The attorney general has nothing to do with prosecutions.
[34:21.780 --> 34:27.660]  So the attorney general's opinion basically doesn't mean anything okay.
[34:27.660 --> 34:34.900]  The law is very clear on what the duties and requirements are regarding the district attorney
[34:34.900 --> 34:38.020]  who is solely responsible for these types of prosecutions.
[34:38.020 --> 34:43.020]  So for them to try to rely on the attorney general for an opinion in the matter does
[34:43.020 --> 34:48.180]  not by no means shield them from their liability.
[34:48.180 --> 34:54.020]  Well there's also another thing that they don't seem to recall when it comes to those
[34:54.020 --> 34:59.220]  public information requests and their attempt to delay production by asking for an opinion
[34:59.220 --> 35:01.700]  they know has no relevance.
[35:01.700 --> 35:06.260]  That in and of itself has been ruled to be a criminal act here in Texas.
[35:06.260 --> 35:07.260]  Absolutely.
[35:07.260 --> 35:13.420]  They violate the public information act when they intentionally delay production to request
[35:13.420 --> 35:17.340]  an attorney general's opinion that they know is irrelevant.
[35:17.340 --> 35:18.340]  Completely irrelevant.
[35:18.340 --> 35:21.180]  Now there's another thing that they're doing.
[35:21.180 --> 35:26.740]  When you look at this they're required to provide you in writing a copy of what they
[35:26.740 --> 35:31.620]  send to the attorney general requesting that opinion.
[35:31.620 --> 35:37.700]  If you read it carefully you will find they are wording their information to the attorney
[35:37.700 --> 35:43.180]  general in such a way as to intentionally make it appear that the information falls
[35:43.180 --> 35:48.940]  under a protected part of this of the act when in fact it does not.
[35:48.940 --> 35:56.420]  They misname it or misquote what type of information they're being asked to produce and they call
[35:56.420 --> 36:05.100]  it something outside of what it actually is in order to get a favorable opinion to withhold.
[36:05.100 --> 36:07.780]  That also is a criminal act.
[36:07.780 --> 36:12.100]  Okay, Antonio you had another, you had a few other issues you wanted to raise.
[36:12.100 --> 36:13.660]  You talked about on the break.
[36:13.660 --> 36:15.660]  Why don't you go ahead?
[36:15.660 --> 36:16.660]  Right.
[36:16.660 --> 36:23.500]  So I was told by some people that I need to submit notice of claim to the city manager
[36:23.500 --> 36:28.340]  and the mayor and there was differing opinions as to when that needs to be done.
[36:28.340 --> 36:35.420]  I did that at essentially the 89th day mark since New Year's Day but now I'm coming up
[36:35.420 --> 36:41.100]  on a six-month mark and various people are telling me different things as to what I need
[36:41.100 --> 36:46.500]  to get done, you know, but with the criminal case still hanging out there over my head,
[36:46.500 --> 36:52.500]  you know, I'm just unsure of who to believe regarding various actions I need to take.
[36:52.500 --> 36:53.500]  Okay.
[36:53.500 --> 37:00.100]  The way this would work is the 60-day or the six-month requirement can only be for an
[37:00.100 --> 37:04.860]  administrative act that the city performed that harmed you.
[37:04.860 --> 37:10.180]  Then you've only got a limited amount of time to notify them of your intent to sue.
[37:10.180 --> 37:18.260]  They cannot put a limit other than the statutory limitations for the criminal act itself on
[37:18.260 --> 37:24.700]  when you can file and sue for something they did that was illegal on its face.
[37:24.700 --> 37:31.740]  They cannot hide behind the timeline of six months for a criminal act that has a two-year
[37:31.740 --> 37:34.060]  statute of limitations.
[37:34.060 --> 37:39.100]  There are completely different things that six months will only apply if what they were
[37:39.100 --> 37:45.660]  doing was within their alleged authority in an administrative capacity.
[37:45.660 --> 37:53.820]  They never have the legal authority to perpetrate criminal acts or to violate rights that would
[37:53.820 --> 37:56.660]  nullify the statute of limitations.
[37:56.660 --> 38:03.500]  Yeah, this isn't an administrative, this is not, what you would be doing technically
[38:03.500 --> 38:06.540]  would not be an administrative claim.
[38:06.540 --> 38:07.540]  Okay.
[38:07.540 --> 38:17.100]  So this would be a tort action based on deprivation of rights and criminal activity.
[38:17.100 --> 38:18.100]  Under color of law.
[38:18.100 --> 38:19.100]  Under color of law.
[38:19.100 --> 38:24.500]  You'd have a federal lawsuit on your hands as well as a state lawsuit.
[38:24.500 --> 38:28.300]  Eddie, you want to talk about those causes of action?
[38:28.300 --> 38:30.500]  Oh, Lordy, there are so many.
[38:30.500 --> 38:34.220]  Why don't you go over a few while we have Antonio on the line?
[38:34.220 --> 38:40.500]  Okay, there are several different levels of deprivation of rights suits.
[38:40.500 --> 38:43.620]  You've got false imprisonment for one.
[38:43.620 --> 38:49.620]  At the federal level, there is a false arrest tort that you can do as well.
[38:49.620 --> 38:52.780]  There is these officers were armed.
[38:52.780 --> 38:55.060]  That makes it aggravated assault.
[38:55.060 --> 39:00.740]  There is a civil tort remedy for aggravated assault.
[39:00.740 --> 39:05.180]  If they arrested you and removed you from the scene while wearing that gun, that is
[39:05.180 --> 39:11.460]  aggravated kidnapping because the arrest was patently false and illegal on its face.
[39:11.460 --> 39:15.900]  There is a civil tort action for that.
[39:15.900 --> 39:22.820]  That's just a handful, not to mention official misconduct, official oppression.
[39:22.820 --> 39:27.300]  Those are all federal torts.
[39:27.300 --> 39:30.700]  How's that for starters, Antonio?
[39:30.700 --> 39:35.020]  Someone said malicious prosecution as well.
[39:35.020 --> 39:41.460]  Malicious prosecution would also fall in there as well, yes, but that is a particular thing.
[39:41.460 --> 39:48.220]  Malicious prosecution will go against everybody, the judge and the prosecutor as well as the
[39:48.220 --> 39:52.860]  officers involved in the case.
[39:52.860 --> 39:54.380]  You have all things.
[39:54.380 --> 40:00.180]  You want them to get to a point where they file the complaint to which jeopardy attaches.
[40:00.180 --> 40:03.380]  Now, here's the problem for them.
[40:03.380 --> 40:08.460]  If they file and get an indictment, jeopardy has attached.
[40:08.460 --> 40:16.100]  If they then dismiss, then they can't come back because that would constitute double
[40:16.100 --> 40:17.100]  jeopardy.
[40:17.100 --> 40:20.700]  So, you're free and clear if they dismiss.
[40:20.700 --> 40:28.660]  If they dismiss or you're found not guilty, now you've got a malicious prosecution tort.
[40:28.660 --> 40:36.980]  And because the malicious prosecution had evil intent, then it's criminal as well as civil.
[40:36.980 --> 40:40.500]  Yeah, and you want them to dismiss with prejudice, by the way.
[40:40.500 --> 40:41.700]  That won't matter.
[40:41.700 --> 40:48.420]  If they dismiss after jeopardy attaches, double jeopardy automatically makes it where it's
[40:48.420 --> 40:49.660]  dismissed with prejudice.
[40:49.660 --> 40:50.660]  Okay, good.
[40:50.660 --> 40:55.740]  If they attempt to refile, the affirmative defense is double jeopardy.
[40:55.740 --> 41:03.100]  Now, Antonio, another thing you may want to be aware of, this may come up down the line,
[41:03.100 --> 41:08.660]  should the, and we pray that this will not be the case, but in the event that the grand
[41:08.660 --> 41:15.860]  jury does indict you and a prosecution commences, you need to keep a close watch on your attorney
[41:15.860 --> 41:24.380]  because 99.99 percent, the attorney is going to try to pressure you into a plea deal instead
[41:24.380 --> 41:26.220]  of fighting for your rights.
[41:26.220 --> 41:30.820]  And so, you want to watch that so that you can be able to hold your attorney's feet to
[41:30.820 --> 41:34.860]  the fire and say, look, I'm not going to plead to anything.
[41:34.860 --> 41:37.260]  You're going to fight for my rights.
[41:37.260 --> 41:42.540]  There's all this exculpatory evidence going on here, and it needs to be entered into the
[41:42.540 --> 41:46.100]  record and it needs to be used in my defense at the trial.
[41:46.100 --> 41:51.580]  So, just be wary that that may be coming down the pike because that's what they always try
[41:51.580 --> 41:52.980]  to do.
[41:52.980 --> 41:59.500]  Every defense attorney, it doesn't matter whether they are the court appointed or whether
[41:59.500 --> 42:05.980]  you hire them, they all try to get you to agree to a plea deal with the prosecutor.
[42:05.980 --> 42:10.380]  Almost, I don't think any of them actually look out for the best interests of the client.
[42:10.380 --> 42:11.380]  Not one.
[42:11.380 --> 42:16.980]  They all just want to get paid or get through the case as easy as possible.
[42:16.980 --> 42:21.300]  They're best friends with the prosecutor and they just want to go play golf and just get
[42:21.300 --> 42:24.860]  rid of the case and get the plea and all of that.
[42:24.860 --> 42:27.900]  So, just be wary that that may be coming down the pike.
[42:27.900 --> 42:33.700]  Well, I told my lawyer right from the get-go and every lawyer that I met with that there
[42:33.700 --> 42:37.980]  were really two things that I wouldn't do in this case.
[42:37.980 --> 42:44.180]  One was I wouldn't be quiet about it because all lawyers want to tell you to shut up.
[42:44.180 --> 42:49.380]  And two is that under no circumstances will there ever be a plea, will there ever be any
[42:49.380 --> 42:53.260]  sort of settlement or agreement with the prosecution.
[42:53.260 --> 42:55.980]  So, he knows that.
[42:55.980 --> 43:01.180]  I made that very clear to him, to the lawyers and the prosecution.
[43:01.180 --> 43:11.460]  And if the attorney attempts or takes action in the case that is contrary to what you want,
[43:11.460 --> 43:16.220]  there are ways to hold the attorney's feet to the fire and to go after him or her for
[43:16.220 --> 43:17.220]  that.
[43:17.220 --> 43:24.660]  There are multiple ways you can file bar grievances, you can tell him you better do what I want
[43:24.660 --> 43:26.620]  or I'm going to file a malpractice suit against you.
[43:26.620 --> 43:28.740]  There's all kinds of things that can be done.
[43:28.740 --> 43:30.580]  You never really want to fire the attorney.
[43:30.580 --> 43:34.740]  It's better to hold their feet to the fire but we can go over things like that if it
[43:34.740 --> 43:35.740]  becomes necessary.
[43:35.740 --> 43:39.660]  Antonio, I want to thank you for joining us tonight.
[43:39.660 --> 43:40.660]  Thank you for having me.
[43:40.660 --> 43:42.940]  I really appreciate both of your time.
[43:42.940 --> 43:43.940]  Absolutely.
[43:43.940 --> 43:45.500]  We're always here for you.
[43:45.500 --> 43:48.500]  Just let us know if there's anything we can ever do to help.
[43:48.500 --> 43:49.500]  Thanks so much.
[43:49.500 --> 43:50.500]  All right, folks.
[43:50.500 --> 43:51.500]  That was Antonio Bieler.
[43:51.500 --> 43:53.580]  We'll be back and we'll be taking your calls.
[43:53.580 --> 43:55.500]  It is traffic night with Eddie Craig.
[43:55.500 --> 43:56.500]  This is the Rule of Law.
[43:56.500 --> 43:57.500]  We'll be right back.
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[45:00.500 --> 45:04.500]  The Oklahoma City bombing, top 10 reasons to question the official story.
[45:04.500 --> 45:08.500]  Reason number one, John Doe number two, and other accomplices.
[45:08.500 --> 45:12.500]  On the day of the bombing, nearly all of the witnesses that saw Tim McVeigh and the
[45:12.500 --> 45:16.500]  Ryder truck report that he was accompanied by other perpetrators.
[45:16.500 --> 45:20.500]  The FBI and federal prosecutors insist that Tim McVeigh alone
[45:20.500 --> 45:24.500]  delivered the Ryder truck bomb to the Murr Building and detonated it.
[45:24.500 --> 45:28.500]  The only witness the government produced to place McVeigh at the building that morning,
[45:28.500 --> 45:32.500]  Dana Bradley, who lost her children and one of her legs in the bombing,
[45:32.500 --> 45:36.500]  testified that she saw McVeigh with another man, the fable John Doe number two,
[45:36.500 --> 45:38.500]  exiting the Ryder truck.
[45:38.500 --> 45:42.500]  While at least 15 other witnesses claim to have seen McVeigh with other perpetrators
[45:42.500 --> 45:48.500]  the day of the bombing, no less than 226 witnesses placed him with other men
[45:48.500 --> 45:52.500]  in the days before the bombing, including when he rented the Ryder truck,
[45:52.500 --> 45:56.500]  and in some cases have positively identified the other perpetrators.
[45:56.500 --> 46:02.500]  For more information, please visit okcbombingtruth.com
[46:56.500 --> 47:08.500]  Alright folks, we are back.
[47:08.500 --> 47:11.500]  This is the Monday Night Traffic Show rule of law radio.
[47:11.500 --> 47:13.500]  We do have one caller on the board.
[47:13.500 --> 47:15.500]  Bryant, we need some more.
[47:15.500 --> 47:19.500]  Call in number is 512-646-1984.
[47:19.500 --> 47:22.500]  I didn't have a whole lot of time to prepare for tonight,
[47:22.500 --> 47:24.500]  so I'm going to have to make it up as we go.
[47:24.500 --> 47:28.500]  Don't start calling in now and give us enough time to help you out.
[47:28.500 --> 47:31.500]  Alright, Bryant, what can we do for you?
[47:31.500 --> 47:37.500]  Well, Mr. Craig, I want to thank you for yesterday's class that was very informative.
[47:37.500 --> 47:39.500]  Well, thank you.
[47:39.500 --> 47:41.500]  Glad you got something useful out of it.
[47:41.500 --> 47:46.500]  Well, I got something useful out of it, and now that I'm in the middle of this case,
[47:46.500 --> 47:52.500]  I'm realizing just how true everything I ever heard on rule of law radio is correct.
[47:52.500 --> 47:54.500]  You had doubts?
[47:54.500 --> 47:58.500]  Well, I was hoping it would be different from where I'm from in this small town,
[47:58.500 --> 48:00.500]  but apparently not.
[48:00.500 --> 48:02.500]  It's in Texas, right?
[48:02.500 --> 48:03.500]  Yes.
[48:03.500 --> 48:04.500]  Okay.
[48:04.500 --> 48:11.500]  Well, that goes back to that libertarian view of believing it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
[48:11.500 --> 48:13.500]  Yeah.
[48:13.500 --> 48:18.500]  Well, I don't want to pick it up either end, but anyway.
[48:18.500 --> 48:25.500]  So I go down to the court today with a couple of motions that were suggested to me yesterday in class,
[48:25.500 --> 48:29.500]  and before I pull them out, I've got my briefcase down by my side,
[48:29.500 --> 48:36.500]  so they don't know that I have anything, and I ask to see my file.
[48:36.500 --> 48:42.500]  And the lady went and got my file, and I, you know, I see the complaint is now in there.
[48:42.500 --> 48:49.500]  It wasn't there the day of my arraignment or my first appearance.
[48:49.500 --> 48:56.500]  And now the complaint is there, and it's signed the day after my citation.
[48:56.500 --> 49:00.500]  And my question is, is there supposed to be some type of file stamped on this?
[49:00.500 --> 49:01.500]  Absolutely.
[49:01.500 --> 49:02.500]  The day they received it?
[49:02.500 --> 49:03.500]  Absolutely.
[49:03.500 --> 49:10.500]  If it's not stamped by the clerk of the court for the record, it's not part of the record.
[49:10.500 --> 49:17.500]  Well, it's not stamped, and the applicant signed it the 17th of May,
[49:17.500 --> 49:19.500]  the day after my citation.
[49:19.500 --> 49:24.500]  But when I went on there the 30th, there was nothing in the file but my citation.
[49:24.500 --> 49:30.500]  So I asked the lady, I said, can I have copies of everything in the file?
[49:30.500 --> 49:32.500]  She says, no, you may not.
[49:32.500 --> 49:35.500]  I said, I can't even have a copy of the citation.
[49:35.500 --> 49:36.500]  She says, no.
[49:36.500 --> 49:41.500]  Well, then you should have immediately called whoever was wearing a badge and said, look,
[49:41.500 --> 49:45.500]  I'm here to get what's in the public record, and this idiot won't give it to me.
[49:45.500 --> 49:48.500]  Would you please arrest him?
[49:48.500 --> 49:50.500]  Yeah.
[49:50.500 --> 49:57.500]  I asked her by what authority, and she said, I don't have to tell you.
[49:57.500 --> 50:05.500]  See, this is the part where they forget what the word servant in public servant means.
[50:05.500 --> 50:09.500]  I heard the first, I didn't hear the first 15 minutes of the show,
[50:09.500 --> 50:12.500]  but I did hear something about discovery.
[50:12.500 --> 50:15.500]  Would I file a discovery, or would I just go and file a criminal?
[50:15.500 --> 50:20.500]  No, you don't have to file a discovery to get a public record.
[50:20.500 --> 50:22.500]  You don't have to file anything.
[50:22.500 --> 50:28.500]  You walk up to the custodian of records and say, give me the record so I can make copies of what I want.
[50:28.500 --> 50:32.500]  Well, she told me she wasn't going to do that if I had a problem with it to talk to the judge.
[50:32.500 --> 50:37.500]  Well, then file criminal complaints against the clerk.
[50:37.500 --> 50:40.500]  Is that something I would take to the grand jury?
[50:40.500 --> 50:42.500]  Absolutely.
[50:42.500 --> 50:44.500]  Okay.
[50:44.500 --> 50:50.500]  And the criminal complaint, what would the charge be, official oppression or...
[50:50.500 --> 50:57.500]  Official misconduct and official oppression and abuse of official capacity.
[50:57.500 --> 51:02.500]  Tampering with a government record.
[51:02.500 --> 51:05.500]  All of those work.
[51:05.500 --> 51:07.500]  All right.
[51:07.500 --> 51:16.500]  Well, I was pretty, you know, flabbergasted because I figured, well, they'll be intended to file.
[51:16.500 --> 51:19.500]  You have the seminar material, yes or no?
[51:19.500 --> 51:21.500]  Yes.
[51:21.500 --> 51:30.500]  In the seminar material, there is a document specific to demanding production of the public record.
[51:30.500 --> 51:31.500]  Okay.
[51:31.500 --> 51:39.500]  If you have the recent stuff, or at least something within the last eight to 12 months, you've got that document.
[51:39.500 --> 51:40.500]  Okay.
[51:40.500 --> 51:44.500]  If not, send me an email and I'll send you that document.
[51:44.500 --> 51:54.500]  There, I've written a document that is not an open records request, it is not a public information request, it is a demand for production of the public record.
[51:54.500 --> 51:56.500]  Okay.
[51:56.500 --> 52:05.500]  And if they don't abide by it, what you do is you go down, you get it, notarized and file it in the record of the court.
[52:05.500 --> 52:11.500]  And then you give the clerk a copy of it and say, I want that record and I want it right now.
[52:11.500 --> 52:25.500]  Then if they refuse, that goes in to an affidavit state or your criminal affidavit stating that the clerk violated Texas law by refusing to produce the public record for public view.
[52:25.500 --> 52:27.500]  That is a criminal act.
[52:27.500 --> 52:31.500]  It's multiple criminal acts in fact.
[52:31.500 --> 52:32.500]  Okay.
[52:32.500 --> 52:38.500]  Well, that's pretty much what I needed to know what to do next with these people since apparently they're not following any law.
[52:38.500 --> 52:42.500]  Of course not. Didn't I cover that in class on Sunday too?
[52:42.500 --> 52:43.500]  Yes.
[52:43.500 --> 52:53.500]  My citation, I just, I mean, my complaint that I just got today, I noticed I haven't had a chance to look up the code, but it's code, you know, whatever it is.
[52:53.500 --> 52:55.500]  It's a city ordinance.
[52:55.500 --> 52:57.500]  Yeah, I am.
[52:57.500 --> 53:01.500]  Is there any different way of going about fighting that?
[53:01.500 --> 53:03.500]  Absolutely none.
[53:03.500 --> 53:05.500]  Okay.
[53:05.500 --> 53:07.500]  That's all I needed.
[53:07.500 --> 53:08.500]  Thank you, Mr. Craig.
[53:08.500 --> 53:09.500]  You're welcome.
[53:09.500 --> 53:11.500]  And it's Eddie, please.
[53:11.500 --> 53:12.500]  Okay.
[53:12.500 --> 53:13.500]  Well, you know, ex-military.
[53:13.500 --> 53:14.500]  Yeah, same here.
[53:14.500 --> 53:19.500]  I say yes ma'am and no ma'am to five year olds, but still, I understand the way it works.
[53:19.500 --> 53:20.500]  Okay.
[53:20.500 --> 53:21.500]  Thank you.
[53:21.500 --> 53:22.500]  Thanks.
[53:22.500 --> 53:23.500]  Appreciate your call.
[53:23.500 --> 53:24.500]  Yep.
[53:24.500 --> 53:25.500]  All right.
[53:25.500 --> 53:26.500]  Great.
[53:26.500 --> 53:27.500]  We are now rolling in callers here.
[53:27.500 --> 53:29.500]  Let's go to Ray in Texas.
[53:29.500 --> 53:31.500]  Oh, we had somebody drop off.
[53:31.500 --> 53:32.500]  Whoever that was, please come back.
[53:32.500 --> 53:34.500]  All right, Ray, go ahead.
[53:34.500 --> 53:35.500]  Hey Eddie.
[53:35.500 --> 53:36.500]  What's up?
[53:36.500 --> 53:40.500]  You know, my attorney's handling that class B, but the class C, I had to go in there today
[53:40.500 --> 53:42.500]  and take that paper in there.
[53:42.500 --> 53:47.500]  Well, I took it in there and the guy tried to pull fast one and he goes, we're going
[53:47.500 --> 53:52.500]  to give you time's serves, but just sign here, there won't be a ticket.
[53:52.500 --> 53:55.500]  And I'm like, what do you mean?
[53:55.500 --> 53:58.500]  So you're signing, when you're signing here, it's going to be a conviction.
[53:58.500 --> 53:59.500]  I said, a conviction?
[53:59.500 --> 54:01.500]  I said, how can it be a conviction?
[54:01.500 --> 54:02.500]  I haven't even gone to court yet.
[54:02.500 --> 54:07.500]  He goes, well, just sign here and your ticket will be taken care of.
[54:07.500 --> 54:10.500]  I said, but you just said there's no ticket.
[54:10.500 --> 54:15.500]  And then I said, I want to see a judge right now or somebody, I think you talked to somebody.
[54:15.500 --> 54:19.500]  He's, well, you're going to have to plead guilty if you want to talk to somebody.
[54:19.500 --> 54:20.500]  I said, excuse me?
[54:20.500 --> 54:23.500]  I said, I have to plead guilty to talk to somebody.
[54:23.500 --> 54:26.500]  Please tell me you had your recorder running.
[54:26.500 --> 54:28.500]  I did not.
[54:28.500 --> 54:32.500]  Ray, I am going to beat you with a very large bludgeon.
[54:32.500 --> 54:38.500]  You never talk to a public serpent without recording the conversation.
[54:38.500 --> 54:44.500]  Public Access 101, you know that.
[54:44.500 --> 54:50.500]  So anyway, I'm supposed to speak to the prosecuting attorney tomorrow.
[54:50.500 --> 54:52.500]  And I'm like, why do I talk to prosecuting attorneys?
[54:52.500 --> 54:57.500]  So this is pretty open shut.
[54:57.500 --> 54:58.500]  Okay.
[54:58.500 --> 55:05.500]  So I was wondering, do you have any, anything that I need to know or anything?
[55:05.500 --> 55:09.500]  I mean, nothing new that you don't already know.
[55:09.500 --> 55:13.500]  I mean, this, we covered this in the times you were coming to class, but.
[55:13.500 --> 55:16.500]  Well, are they not going to charge me with something if I take my recorder in there?
[55:16.500 --> 55:18.500]  I mean, you know, no, they can't charge you.
[55:18.500 --> 55:20.500]  Don't tell them you have it.
[55:20.500 --> 55:21.500]  Just record it.
[55:21.500 --> 55:24.500]  Put it somewhere where it ain't bumping, banging or scratching.
[55:24.500 --> 55:25.500]  Turn it on.
[55:25.500 --> 55:33.500]  Cover up any lights that are on it and record it.
[55:33.500 --> 55:36.500]  Texas is a one party consent state.
[55:36.500 --> 55:41.500]  All that is required is that at least one party to any conversation.
[55:41.500 --> 55:44.500]  Be aware of the fact that it is being recorded.
[55:44.500 --> 55:53.500]  There is no requirement to tell any other party.
[55:53.500 --> 55:59.500]  Now, what you can tell the prosecuting attorney tomorrow, by the way, who told you that you have to plead guilty?
[55:59.500 --> 56:01.500]  The guy at the window.
[56:01.500 --> 56:02.500]  Okay.
[56:02.500 --> 56:03.500]  A clerk told you that.
[56:03.500 --> 56:04.500]  Yeah.
[56:04.500 --> 56:05.500]  Okay.
[56:05.500 --> 56:08.500]  Then tomorrow tell the prosecuting attorney two things.
[56:08.500 --> 56:10.500]  One, you have no case.
[56:10.500 --> 56:14.500]  The video will prove that the eyewitnesses will prove that.
[56:14.500 --> 56:22.500]  Two, you have clerks that are acting as judicial officers and conducting trials on their own at the window.
[56:22.500 --> 56:26.500]  Demanding production of pleas by the public.
[56:26.500 --> 56:38.500]  So when I sue the clerk for acting as a judicial officer illegally, where in the suit would you like me to list your name as an accomplice?
[56:38.500 --> 56:44.500]  Gotcha.
[56:44.500 --> 56:51.500]  And folks, I'm telling you right now, every time a clerk of the court asks you to enter a plea, they are committing a crime.
[56:51.500 --> 56:55.500]  They are impersonating of just a judicial officer.
[56:55.500 --> 57:06.500]  No magistrate through administrative rules, regulations or directives can require a nonjudicial officer to act at a judicial function.
[57:06.500 --> 57:13.500]  The judges cannot delegate plea entering authority to a clerk.
[57:13.500 --> 57:25.500]  It requires a magistrate and the clerk is never a magistrate.
[57:25.500 --> 57:26.500]  Anything else Ray?
[57:26.500 --> 57:27.500]  That's it.
[57:27.500 --> 57:28.500]  Okay.
[57:28.500 --> 57:29.500]  Beat them up.
[57:29.500 --> 57:32.500]  Record it.
[57:32.500 --> 57:34.500]  All right.
[57:34.500 --> 57:35.500]  Okay.
[57:35.500 --> 57:36.500]  All right.
[57:36.500 --> 57:37.500]  All right.
[57:37.500 --> 57:38.500]  Talk to you later.
[57:38.500 --> 57:39.500]  I'll talk to you tomorrow.
[57:39.500 --> 57:40.500]  Okay.
[57:40.500 --> 57:41.500]  Bye-bye.
[57:41.500 --> 57:43.500]  I'm going to Gary in Texas.
[57:43.500 --> 57:45.500]  Gary, what can we do for you?
[57:45.500 --> 57:46.500]  Boom, Eddie.
[57:46.500 --> 57:53.500]  I got a question about Texas land patents as opposed to U.S. land patents.
[57:53.500 --> 57:54.500]  Okay.
[57:54.500 --> 58:02.500]  Well, I don't know how much of a help I can be on that specific area, but if you'll hang on, we'll pick you up on the other side and see what we can do.
[58:02.500 --> 58:03.500]  All right, folks.
[58:03.500 --> 58:05.500]  This is Rule of Law Radio.
[58:05.500 --> 58:06.500]  We are at the top of the hour.
[58:06.500 --> 58:09.500]  That gives us one more hour in the show.
[58:09.500 --> 58:13.500]  And I hope that we can get enough callers to keep us busy for the rest of the evening.
[58:13.500 --> 58:18.500]  Call in number 512-646-1984.
[58:18.500 --> 58:19.500]  So give us a call.
[58:19.500 --> 58:45.500]  We'll be right back on the other side of the break.
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[59:59.500 --> 01:00:06.500]  When it's time to pop the question, creativity can make the engagement memorable.
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[01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:49.500]  John Cardin is a poster child for how not to pop the question.
[01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:56.500]  A Baltimore legislator thought a staged swat raid would be a romantic backdrop for proposing to his girlfriend, Megan Homer.
[01:00:56.500 --> 01:01:01.500]  So he had Baltimore Marine and helicopter units swarm the boat he was cruising on with his beloved,
[01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:05.500]  pretend to ransack the craft, and confiscate a stashed engagement ring.
[01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:09.500]  After staring the bejeebers out of Megan, Cardin proposed.
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[01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:23.500]  While his abuse of power is shocking, perhaps the biggest surprise is that Megan said yes.
[01:01:23.500 --> 01:01:28.500]  I'm Dr. Catherine Albrecht, more news and information at CatherineAlbrecht.com.
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[01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:27.500]  Alright folks, we are back. This is Rule of Law Radio.
[01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:33.500]  It is 25 June 2012. We are live tonight and not Memorex.
[01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:38.500]  We had a guest earlier, Antonio Bueller, and now we are taking your calls.
[01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:41.500]  We are online with Gary in Texas at the moment.
[01:03:41.500 --> 01:03:46.500]  Lewis, Charlie, Johnny, I see you there, so please hang on and we'll get right to you as quick as we can.
[01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:53.500]  Call in number 512-646-1984. We've got about an hour left in the show.
[01:03:53.500 --> 01:04:03.500]  Alright Gary, let's see what we can do. You had said you had a question on Texas land patents versus US land patents.
[01:04:03.500 --> 01:04:07.500]  Hang on Gary, for some reason, the clicking. Alright, try it again.
[01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:10.500]  Yes, I'll try to be as concise as possible.
[01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:25.500]  My worry or my concern or question is, do you know if a Texas land patent is as strong as a US Bureau of Land Management patents
[01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:38.500]  as it relates to anyone making like a county government coming in trying to put a lien on a property for unpaid taxes?
[01:04:38.500 --> 01:04:49.500]  I understand some folks have thought that with a US patent, but reading the Texas patent, I don't know for sure if that one is quite as
[01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:59.500]  encompassing and giving you the kind of rights that the BLM patent does.
[01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:15.500]  Okay, well let me ask you a question. Yes sir. Why don't you just get a land patent from France or India or Belgium or Switzerland?
[01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:22.500]  Well, because I don't think Belgium or Switzerland has the authority to issue a land patent on my property, I don't think.
[01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:32.500]  Then what in the world makes you think the federal government does? Where is that one of the 18 enumerated powers to seize land within the borders of one of the several states of the Union?
[01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:34.500]  I don't see it in there.
[01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:48.500]  That's right, because it doesn't exist. So it can't in any way shape or form supersede a state land patent unless the state has already seeded that land to the federal government lock, stock and barrel.
[01:05:48.500 --> 01:06:08.500]  Which Texas didn't do? I got you, I'll follow you there. Okay, my main concern being I've got an HLA acting in an ultra-various manner, and I've got a piece of property that's free and clear, but it used to come underneath their deep restrictions, but they let them lapse.
[01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:14.500]  Accidentally, it didn't renew them in a proper vote.
[01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:21.500]  Okay, what's your evidence of the lack of a proper vote? Well, you don't have to answer that. I'm just saying make sure you have it.
[01:06:21.500 --> 01:06:30.500]  It's a file document with the county clerk. They did vote by mail when they didn't have the authority to do it. So I've got it in writing, notarized and signed.
[01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:33.500]  Okay, then that's fine, long as you have it.
[01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:52.500]  So my question is, would a Texas land patent assist me in a situation where I say, okay, you folks don't have the authority to put a lien against my property, because number one, you don't exist any longer.
[01:06:52.500 --> 01:07:06.500]  Number two, I wanted is this land patent supersede any leanable claim that an HLA, even if it wasn't acting ultra-various, would that land patent supersede it?
[01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:10.500]  Okay. A state land patent rather than a federal land patent.
[01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:19.500]  Okay, what you're talking about here is nothing more than a redundancy of how many different ways you own your land.
[01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:39.500]  If the HOA lost the authority over the land that allegedly was within their HOA originally because the HOA self-destructed, they cannot unilaterally proclaim a renewal of authority over that land.
[01:07:39.500 --> 01:07:50.500]  Again, how did they get it in the first place? When you signed the purchase agreement for the land and whatever was on it, it was part of the original contract.
[01:07:50.500 --> 01:08:07.500]  If that contract has since lapsed one party to the contract unless the contract specifically authorizes it within a set date and time, can unilaterally resurrect a completed contract?
[01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:24.500]  If they lost the authority under the contractual agreement by failing to keep the contractual agreement consistent with its own terms, they can't resuscitate it by declaration without consent of the other party.
[01:08:24.500 --> 01:08:32.500]  Well, I agree with you fully. I've gone to the Attorney General. They say that they're too busy to deal with something like that.
[01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:38.500]  Well, the Attorney General wouldn't help you anyway. They're all about land grabs.
[01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:52.500]  Well, I understand, but Article 4 Section 22 does say that basically their only job is to keep the private corporation from attempting to collect an unauthorized tax toll freighter mortgage.
[01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:57.500]  So, you know, that's basically the AG's only job in the Constitution.
[01:08:57.500 --> 01:09:09.500]  I agree, and that's exactly why I argue that they have no authority to do child support, because it's not within a constitutionally assigned power to the Attorney General.
[01:09:09.500 --> 01:09:18.500]  Neither is anything dealing with the land other than preventing a corporation from perpetrating fraud to get it.
[01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:21.500]  Well, I can for that. I agree with you there, but that's what's...
[01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:25.500]  So, sue the HOA in federal court?
[01:09:25.500 --> 01:09:30.500]  Well, I guess I could do that. It's going to be pretty costly.
[01:09:30.500 --> 01:09:40.500]  The statute of limitations does not apply against me.
[01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:48.500]  In other words, I don't have to file a suit. I just want to be able to use it as a defense against any suit they may bring.
[01:09:48.500 --> 01:10:01.500]  The statute does not apply. The statute of limitations doesn't apply against me in it, because I have no legal responsibility to file a suit against them.
[01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:06.500]  I shouldn't have to incur litigation costs just because they screwed up.
[01:10:06.500 --> 01:10:07.500]  Well, but that's...
[01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:18.500]  An incurring litigation cost because they screwed up is not the issue. They died once because they failed to keep the contract valid.
[01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:28.500]  Okay? All we want to do now is shovel dirt on them, tamp it down, and put up the headstone. Here lies an idiot that didn't know any better.
[01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:37.500]  Yes, sir. I'll follow you on that. I'll follow you on that. I was just thinking that the Texas Land Patent may give me a little more...
[01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:42.500]  Okay. Let me explain how I'm pretty certain they're going to make the argument.
[01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:50.500]  If they're making the argument that they still retain rights to the property, then they're maintaining that the original contract never expired.
[01:10:50.500 --> 01:11:01.500]  The original contract then, if that were to be valid, would precede the date of any supposed patent, in which case the patent would be invalidated.
[01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:09.500]  Because you attempted the patent land that was already under contract with someone else.
[01:11:09.500 --> 01:11:12.500]  Okay? That makes you look like the bad guy.
[01:11:12.500 --> 01:11:19.500]  What we have here is someone trying to enforce an unenforceable contract.
[01:11:19.500 --> 01:11:29.500]  If there is no resurrection provision in the contract that was signed and agreed to by both parties at the time the contract originated,
[01:11:29.500 --> 01:11:38.500]  they can't insert, you know, ad nauseam, any new prospect to it that they want.
[01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:45.500]  Either it was there when it was signed or it doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, it has no authority.
[01:11:45.500 --> 01:11:51.500]  No claim will support something that isn't in the contract.
[01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:59.500]  Understood. Okay. So the Land Patent probably wouldn't do me much good. I just need to stand on the back of contract being terminated.
[01:11:59.500 --> 01:12:05.500]  Okay. Well, Eddie, I thank you for clearing that up for me and you saved me a little research time.
[01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:14.500]  Sure. Well, the Land Patent might benefit you in other ways, but because of the way I'm almost certain they're going to come at this,
[01:12:14.500 --> 01:12:18.500]  they would right away say the Land Patent has no bearing on their claim.
[01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:26.500]  Now, it may work fine for any future thing that happens, but it's not going to help you in this particular instance. I don't think.
[01:12:26.500 --> 01:12:31.500]  When you say future thing, let me get a little more knowledge here. When you say future thing that happened.
[01:12:31.500 --> 01:12:40.500]  If you contract with somebody because you want something built on your property or you want to give someone an easement on your property
[01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:50.500]  or anything of that nature, anything that you may do in the future regarding specific ownership or passage rights to the property,
[01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:58.500]  then the Land Patent would give you some tangible method of controlling what can be done with that.
[01:12:58.500 --> 01:13:02.500]  Okay. Okay. Well, I thank you a lot for the help.
[01:13:02.500 --> 01:13:04.500]  Okay. Appreciate you calling.
[01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:06.500]  All right. Bye-bye.
[01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:11.500]  All right. Now we're going to go to Lewis in Texas.
[01:13:11.500 --> 01:13:15.500]  Lewis, what can we do for you?
[01:13:15.500 --> 01:13:20.500]  All right. Go ahead. Sorry, this mouse is not clicking as well as I would like. Lewis, go ahead.
[01:13:20.500 --> 01:13:21.500]  Can you hear me now?
[01:13:21.500 --> 01:13:22.500]  Yes.
[01:13:22.500 --> 01:13:27.500]  All right. I got a funny story out of Brazolia County.
[01:13:27.500 --> 01:13:39.500]  I was out of town visiting family and I was riding with my brother. He gets pulled over and ticketed for speeding and no driver's license.
[01:13:39.500 --> 01:13:43.500]  The cop handed him the ticket. He signed it. He didn't go to jail.
[01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:50.500]  What ended up happening was the cop had put my info on the ticket and my brother signed it.
[01:13:50.500 --> 01:13:56.500]  The ticket is for not having a driver's license. I obviously do have a driver's license.
[01:13:56.500 --> 01:14:03.500]  I wasn't driving. That's pretty much it.
[01:14:03.500 --> 01:14:07.500]  Okay. What kind of commercial vehicle was this?
[01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:14.500]  It was a regular passenger car.
[01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:18.500]  Oh, it was? Okay. So it was a taxi cab or a shuttle bus then?
[01:14:18.500 --> 01:14:25.500]  Oh, no. He was driving. It was like a Dodge something. It was a regular car.
[01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:27.500]  You're in Austin, right?
[01:14:27.500 --> 01:14:30.500]  Right. But I was out of town visiting family.
[01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:34.500]  Right. But what I'm getting at is the usage of the terms you keep throwing out here.
[01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:38.500]  Driving, passenger, so on and so forth.
[01:14:38.500 --> 01:14:42.500]  Don't do that.
[01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:47.500]  He's not a driver. He can't be driving. Only a driver can drive.
[01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:59.500]  And a driver is someone that is getting paid for the purpose of transporting persons, goods, or property for compensation or hire.
[01:14:59.500 --> 01:15:08.500]  You follow? He must be someone engaging in the act of transportation.
[01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:09.500]  Alright.
[01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:10.500]  Alright.
[01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.500]  And I obviously wasn't.
[01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:18.500]  Right. Now, I don't mean to interrupt your story, but just for clarification, the people in my class have to learn this early on.
[01:15:18.500 --> 01:15:23.500]  Every time they use one of those terms, I'm all over them like white on rice.
[01:15:23.500 --> 01:15:30.500]  People need to start developing an allergic reaction to those terms when they're applied to their activity in a car.
[01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:31.500]  Alright.
[01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:36.500]  Okay. But in any case, then they have a severe problem.
[01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:44.500]  What I would recommend is that you let them proceed.
[01:15:44.500 --> 01:15:52.500]  We're back to Napoleon again. Never interrupt your enemy when he's busy making a mistake. And this is a doozy.
[01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:55.500]  Right. And I already have a warrant for my arrest, actually.
[01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:56.500]  On this ticket?
[01:15:56.500 --> 01:15:58.500]  Yes, sir.
[01:15:58.500 --> 01:16:00.500]  Ah, that's even better.
[01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:08.500]  Find a cop, tell him who you are, and immediately let him arrest you and take you to jail.
[01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:09.500]  Okay.
[01:16:09.500 --> 01:16:22.500]  Because here's the thing. The moment they do that, the officer, the judge, everybody is up the creek without any sort of paddle or outboard motor.
[01:16:22.500 --> 01:16:30.500]  Okay. Because they are now maliciously prosecuting the wrong man.
[01:16:30.500 --> 01:16:37.500]  And the cop himself will be the star witness to that effect.
[01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:39.500]  See how that's going to work?
[01:16:39.500 --> 01:16:42.500]  Hang on just a second, Lewis, we'll pick this up on the other side.
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[01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:31.500]  Alright folks, we are back once again. This is Rule of Law Radio, calling number 512-646-1984.
[01:19:31.500 --> 01:19:34.500]  Right now, we are talking to Lewis.
[01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:38.500]  Alright, Lewis, let's give this a get-go and see if we can finish you up here.
[01:19:38.500 --> 01:19:40.500]  Alright.
[01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:56.500]  Okay, now, as I was saying, you're not a driver, neither is your brother, but when they go through this process of prosecuting the wrong guy and the cop is the star witness that, well, that's not the guy I wrote the ticket to,
[01:19:56.500 --> 01:20:00.500]  then what are they going to do?
[01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:12.500]  Once you're at trial and you've been arrested under a false warrant, they've got a problem that's a bell they can't unring.
[01:20:12.500 --> 01:20:18.500]  Okay, all you have to do is be willing to sue.
[01:20:18.500 --> 01:20:40.500]  And I guarantee you, you tell a lawyer, well, they stopped us, my brother was behind the wheel, they wrote him the ticket, but they wrote down all the information from my license and then attempted to prosecute me and arrested me even though the ticket wasn't mine.
[01:20:40.500 --> 01:20:46.500]  Now, if you think a lawyer's not going to jump on that with both clothing feet, you're mistaken.
[01:20:46.500 --> 01:20:48.500]  Alright.
[01:20:48.500 --> 01:20:54.500]  I'm actually visiting there this weekend, so I may have to implement some of that there.
[01:20:54.500 --> 01:20:56.500]  Okay.
[01:20:56.500 --> 01:21:04.500]  Yeah, just walk in and say, hey, I hear you guys having a arrest warrant for me. Who wants to be the first in line to fulfill it?
[01:21:04.500 --> 01:21:10.500]  And make sure you have witnesses with recorders on them when they do it.
[01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:12.500]  Right.
[01:21:12.500 --> 01:21:18.500]  Take the whole family down. It'll be a heck of a show.
[01:21:18.500 --> 01:21:20.500]  Oh, yeah. Alright, well.
[01:21:20.500 --> 01:21:35.500]  Now, even better, do you happen to know anyone down there that is a professional peace officer that your friends are on good terms with that doesn't work in the same place?
[01:21:35.500 --> 01:21:37.500]  I believe I can find something like that.
[01:21:37.500 --> 01:21:45.500]  Well, if you can, take them with you in plain clothes, not in their official capacity.
[01:21:45.500 --> 01:21:46.500]  Right.
[01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:56.500]  Okay. And then let's see what happens when they get on the stand to testify in your lawsuit. Oh, yeah, I'm a license peace officer. I saw the whole thing.
[01:21:56.500 --> 01:22:00.500]  Right. Alright.
[01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:01.500]  So I can sue.
[01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:05.500]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:08.500]  Sounds fun.
[01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:10.500]  Hopefully they don't keep me in there too long.
[01:22:10.500 --> 01:22:13.500]  Well, just have somebody ready to bail you out.
[01:22:13.500 --> 01:22:18.500]  That's all. Just be prepared. You know they're going to arrest you. You know they're going to require a bond.
[01:22:18.500 --> 01:22:28.500]  So just either have a bail bondsman standing by or someone with enough to pay the bond, whatever it is for the ticket.
[01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:36.500]  Right. Okay. Because that money now becomes a financial harm perpetrated on top of the false arrest.
[01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:45.500]  Well, which is actually a false imprisonment, the malicious prosecution, the whole nine yards.
[01:22:45.500 --> 01:22:47.500]  False arrest, false imprisonment.
[01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:55.500]  Well, Texas doesn't have a false arrest. It is a false imprisonment. But if you sue him in the Fed, you've got both of those.
[01:22:55.500 --> 01:23:02.500]  And I highly recommend that you get the attorney to sue him in the Fed, not the state.
[01:23:02.500 --> 01:23:05.500]  Alrighty.
[01:23:05.500 --> 01:23:10.500]  Well, I appreciate that. I knew I could do something there. I just wasn't there.
[01:23:10.500 --> 01:23:18.500]  Oh, there's a lot you can do if you just play the chess game correctly and plan your head on your moves.
[01:23:18.500 --> 01:23:21.500]  Alright. I guess they just gave this one to me.
[01:23:21.500 --> 01:23:28.500]  Yeah. Hey, when you get paid, get us something nicer at rule of law. Okay.
[01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:38.500]  Oh, alright. I should probably mention I was actually wearing a shirt that said the answer to 1984 is 1776.
[01:23:38.500 --> 01:23:41.500]  Oh, really? Is that why he has to see your license?
[01:23:41.500 --> 01:23:52.500]  I believe so. And I think once he caught that it said info wars on there, he kind of changed his attitude.
[01:23:52.500 --> 01:24:02.500]  Yeah. Well, his dyslexia is going to cause him a whole bigger attitude change when it's over.
[01:24:02.500 --> 01:24:03.500]  Alright.
[01:24:03.500 --> 01:24:05.500]  Alright. Sound like fun?
[01:24:05.500 --> 01:24:08.500]  Yes, sir. And I will keep you guys in mind there.
[01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:18.500]  Well, please do. And since you're in Austin, don't forget to come by the class on Sundays from two to five because you would make an interesting test case to run through what we do.
[01:24:18.500 --> 01:24:27.500]  Alright. And is there any other tips I should know besides like not using certain terminology once I'm up in there?
[01:24:27.500 --> 01:24:31.500]  Yeah, but that's all stuff we cover in the class, most assuredly.
[01:24:31.500 --> 01:24:40.500]  We do that every class we go through what terminology we do and do not use. However, you'll never get on trial for the merits.
[01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:46.500]  If they go ahead and put you on trial for the merits after you tell them they've got the wrong guy and prove it.
[01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:52.500]  Oh, that's going to make matters way worse.
[01:24:52.500 --> 01:24:53.500]  Okay.
[01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:54.500]  Alright.
[01:24:54.500 --> 01:25:07.500]  So all you've got to worry about is maintaining. I would go ahead and prepare an affidavit but not give it to anyone and have it signed to have a different affidavit by all parties.
[01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:26.500]  One by your brother stating that he was in fact the person the ticket was issued on such and such day that and then you sign your saying the officer demanded my information and wrote my information as the person being ticketed on the citation.
[01:25:26.500 --> 01:25:32.500]  And thus filed it in the court and proceeded to get me maliciously prosecuted.
[01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:41.500]  And I would get affidavit from all the witnesses to this effect. Go ahead and get them all notarized and have them on hand.
[01:25:41.500 --> 01:25:49.500]  If they're dated and everything real close to the time of the event, it can't look like a contrived thing at a later date.
[01:25:49.500 --> 01:25:58.500]  And what you need to do is keep your brother out of the officer's sight. Never let the officer see your brother.
[01:25:58.500 --> 01:26:00.500]  Okay.
[01:26:00.500 --> 01:26:13.500]  Instead let the officer see you and only you and let him attempt to identify you as the person in the driver's seat quote unquote.
[01:26:13.500 --> 01:26:14.500]  Okay.
[01:26:14.500 --> 01:26:21.500]  Rather than he might get on a stand and go well now wait a minute you you were you were in the passenger seat.
[01:26:21.500 --> 01:26:32.500]  Oh, thank you. Can you explain why you gave me a speeding ticket from the passenger seat? Was this a student driver car with two steering wheels and gas pedals?
[01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:34.500]  All right.
[01:26:34.500 --> 01:26:38.500]  Okay, you see how this little time bomb is going to blow up in their face?
[01:26:38.500 --> 01:26:39.500]  Oh yeah.
[01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:45.500]  The only other alternative the cop has is to lie through his teeth as to who he ticketed.
[01:26:45.500 --> 01:26:50.500]  And your affidavits will poke poke holes in that real quick.
[01:26:50.500 --> 01:26:52.500]  Okay.
[01:26:52.500 --> 01:26:55.500]  And they wouldn't have a video from that on a file would they?
[01:26:55.500 --> 01:26:59.500]  Oh, absolutely they would, including his body mic recording.
[01:26:59.500 --> 01:27:09.500]  So that's the next thing you need to do is file a motion for discovery for all recordings associated with that date.
[01:27:09.500 --> 01:27:30.500]  Or I would go from a certain time of day about an hour or two prior to the stop till an hour or two after the stop from that one police cruiser and all body microphone and dispatch your communications and so on and so forth that the officer used or did while he had you stopped.
[01:27:30.500 --> 01:27:44.500]  You can then browse through that and you can show every point on the timeline where this was said this was said who was in the seat who was not in the seat who actually wind up getting ticketed and so on and so forth.
[01:27:44.500 --> 01:27:51.500]  That video and audio recording is the best evidence you will have to prove the cops an idiot.
[01:27:51.500 --> 01:27:54.500]  That is IQ test anyway.
[01:27:54.500 --> 01:27:58.500]  And should I should I fall for that before I go up there?
[01:27:58.500 --> 01:28:01.500]  Oh, absolutely you must fall for that before you go up there.
[01:28:01.500 --> 01:28:09.500]  Oh, I mean not not to turn yourself in you can or you can do that anytime prior to trial.
[01:28:09.500 --> 01:28:14.500]  Okay, okay, but just do it as soon as possible.
[01:28:14.500 --> 01:28:26.500]  That way if they don't want to provide it to you you have a way of pressing them by going to the court and demanding a hearing on the production.
[01:28:26.500 --> 01:28:28.500]  All right.
[01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:36.500]  And so motion for discovery after David signed and go for it.
[01:28:36.500 --> 01:28:40.500]  Absolutely.
[01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:42.500]  All right, well, I appreciate that.
[01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:44.500]  Not a problem.
[01:28:44.500 --> 01:28:48.500]  Keep us and keep us in touch with what's going on and if you can make the class.
[01:28:48.500 --> 01:28:52.500]  Oh yeah, a friend of mine and myself are actually planning on that.
[01:28:52.500 --> 01:28:53.500]  All right.
[01:28:53.500 --> 01:28:54.500]  Well, that's good.
[01:28:54.500 --> 01:28:56.500]  We'll be there this Sunday then.
[01:28:56.500 --> 01:28:57.500]  All right, we'll do.
[01:28:57.500 --> 01:28:58.500]  All right, Lewis.
[01:28:58.500 --> 01:28:59.500]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:28:59.500 --> 01:29:00.500]  Much appreciated.
[01:29:00.500 --> 01:29:01.500]  Good luck.
[01:29:01.500 --> 01:29:02.500]  Oh yeah.
[01:29:02.500 --> 01:29:03.500]  All right.
[01:29:03.500 --> 01:29:07.500]  Now we're going to go to Charlie in Missouri.
[01:29:07.500 --> 01:29:09.500]  Charlie, what can we do for you?
[01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:10.500]  Hello Eddie.
[01:29:10.500 --> 01:29:13.500]  Thanks for taking my call.
[01:29:13.500 --> 01:29:20.500]  I got to say I got involved with the little law radio and I guess your logo's radio now.
[01:29:20.500 --> 01:29:27.500]  It's been a couple of years ago since then I've taken the courses and got to similar material
[01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:32.500]  and I've been in front of, you know, several municipalities.
[01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:34.500]  Hang on just a second Charlie.
[01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:35.500]  Sorry about that.
[01:29:35.500 --> 01:29:36.500]  We're about to go to break.
[01:29:36.500 --> 01:29:38.500]  We'll pick you up on the other side.
[01:29:38.500 --> 01:29:40.500]  All right folks, this is rule of law radio.
[01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:42.500]  Chris, we see you on the board.
[01:29:42.500 --> 01:29:44.500]  Chris will be our last caller after Charlie folks.
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[01:32:35.500 --> 01:32:44.500]  Call in number 512-646-1984 and right now we are talking to Charlie in Missouri.
[01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:50.500]  Alright Charlie, hang on, let me get you unmuted here and we'll get right with you.
[01:32:50.500 --> 01:32:55.500]  Alright, let's go Charlie. What's up?
[01:32:55.500 --> 01:32:58.500]  Alright, let's continue on.
[01:32:58.500 --> 01:33:03.500]  Yeah, I was just stating that I've come across you guys some years ago and since then
[01:33:03.500 --> 01:33:10.500]  this has given me so much information that I've been able to be several different municipalities in this area.
[01:33:10.500 --> 01:33:13.500]  Just to make it look like both of those. I'll tell you it's been quite an experience.
[01:33:13.500 --> 01:33:18.500]  I've gone from when I first started and I went to court and I was really nervous,
[01:33:18.500 --> 01:33:24.500]  shaken, didn't know how to deal with things and moved slow and now I'm to the point where
[01:33:24.500 --> 01:33:29.500]  when I talk to somebody I'm pretty confident about what I say.
[01:33:29.500 --> 01:33:34.500]  I don't have all those scary feelings inside me and when I address courts and judges
[01:33:34.500 --> 01:33:39.500]  and prosecutors it's actually quite fun but now I'm progressing to another level.
[01:33:39.500 --> 01:33:48.500]  You had mentioned to the previous caller all you have to do is have that desire to sue.
[01:33:48.500 --> 01:33:54.500]  Well, in my first instance I just was learning I didn't have a desire to sue.
[01:33:54.500 --> 01:34:00.500]  I just wanted to have a desire to win and get my point across and see where, you know,
[01:34:00.500 --> 01:34:05.500]  see if justice could be obtained in the appropriate way, huh?
[01:34:05.500 --> 01:34:07.500]  If it could be obtained at all?
[01:34:07.500 --> 01:34:11.500]  Right, and I have. You know, I've won. I mean, it's been a struggle.
[01:34:11.500 --> 01:34:19.500]  It's amazing. You know, I'm an older man and once I started studying this law and stuff,
[01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:22.500]  I get more stuff into more trouble all the time.
[01:34:22.500 --> 01:34:25.500]  It's just great. I don't know if it's me or if it's just that, you know,
[01:34:25.500 --> 01:34:29.500]  all these municipalities are constantly seeking more ways to find revenue.
[01:34:29.500 --> 01:34:32.500]  Absolutely. It's not you, believe me.
[01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:36.500]  Though I would imagine that you take things more head on than you used to,
[01:34:36.500 --> 01:34:39.500]  so it would appear to cause more problems than normal.
[01:34:39.500 --> 01:34:43.500]  In fact, all you're doing is asserting your rights more than normal,
[01:34:43.500 --> 01:34:47.500]  which will automatically create these conflicts.
[01:34:47.500 --> 01:34:51.500]  Certainly does. Certainly does.
[01:34:51.500 --> 01:34:56.500]  I was with my daughter the other day and they said I was speeding and driving,
[01:34:56.500 --> 01:34:59.500]  and I went through the entire thing.
[01:34:59.500 --> 01:35:03.500]  I've been through it several times and, you know, I had to, you know,
[01:35:03.500 --> 01:35:06.500]  whenever I tell them I'm not driving, I'm traveling in my car.
[01:35:06.500 --> 01:35:09.500]  All of a sudden, I go from one police car to three or four or five.
[01:35:09.500 --> 01:35:12.500]  Yeah, exactly. They think that somebody that knows their rights
[01:35:12.500 --> 01:35:16.500]  and what they're actually doing is somehow a threat
[01:35:16.500 --> 01:35:21.500]  because you're informed information is dangerous to their abilities
[01:35:21.500 --> 01:35:26.500]  to generate the revenue and get away with what they do.
[01:35:26.500 --> 01:35:30.500]  Well, I got to tell you that in the same area here as I've been doing this,
[01:35:30.500 --> 01:35:33.500]  you know, and things have been progressing.
[01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:36.500]  You know, I guess the information is getting around
[01:35:36.500 --> 01:35:41.500]  because some of the officers, like them, my last call that I got pulled over,
[01:35:41.500 --> 01:35:45.500]  you know, I had some of the officers really interested in trying to understand.
[01:35:45.500 --> 01:35:49.500]  They've heard about some of this stuff and they're trying to get some of the information.
[01:35:49.500 --> 01:35:53.500]  So my dealings with the last officers that pulled me over,
[01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:57.500]  although it originated at an aggressive stance,
[01:35:57.500 --> 01:36:02.500]  it moved to more of me giving them all kinds of information.
[01:36:02.500 --> 01:36:07.500]  But anyway, it's really been a journey.
[01:36:07.500 --> 01:36:12.500]  And I got to tell you, I haven't, you know,
[01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:16.500]  I haven't listened to the radio show for, geez, over a year or so now.
[01:36:16.500 --> 01:36:21.500]  And one of the things that, you know, I'm still way behind in podcasts on the show.
[01:36:21.500 --> 01:36:25.500]  I do listen to it that way. It's probably a year behind.
[01:36:25.500 --> 01:36:28.500]  Well, one of the things that I needed is I did get the seminar information.
[01:36:28.500 --> 01:36:32.500]  I have the emails here and I was trying to get you up there on the seminar stuff.
[01:36:32.500 --> 01:36:35.500]  Okay. I apologize to everybody that's expecting the updates.
[01:36:35.500 --> 01:36:43.500]  The problem is, is I'm trying to get all of the documents converted to a pellet level court format
[01:36:43.500 --> 01:36:46.500]  so that we have table of authorities, table of contents,
[01:36:46.500 --> 01:36:51.500]  and any indexes or appendixes that are needed and so on and so forth
[01:36:51.500 --> 01:36:54.500]  in all of the paperwork that we have to file.
[01:36:54.500 --> 01:37:00.500]  And that's a time consuming task if you've ever worked with Microsoft Word of any version.
[01:37:00.500 --> 01:37:03.500]  As soon as you think you've got it figured out,
[01:37:03.500 --> 01:37:07.500]  suddenly Word will screw the document up and nothing works.
[01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:11.500]  So I have that to contend with. I have client issues to contend with.
[01:37:11.500 --> 01:37:17.500]  I have the fact that there have been, in Texas, the legislature may meet every two years,
[01:37:17.500 --> 01:37:25.500]  but they set changes to the statutes up to occur three different times during the next two years.
[01:37:25.500 --> 01:37:33.500]  So every three to six months, there will be a statutory change that needs to be addressed in the paperwork
[01:37:33.500 --> 01:37:38.500]  and I have to go back and redo any paperwork that's relevant to that change.
[01:37:38.500 --> 01:37:43.500]  So this folks is exactly why this is a never ending process for me.
[01:37:43.500 --> 01:37:50.500]  This is exactly why I can't jump into a regular job and still keep this stuff updated for us to use.
[01:37:50.500 --> 01:37:54.500]  So I apologize for not being able to get the updates out in a timely manner.
[01:37:54.500 --> 01:38:00.500]  There is only one of me working on 300 and something different pieces of paperwork.
[01:38:00.500 --> 01:38:05.500]  And I sincerely apologize, but I do them as I can.
[01:38:05.500 --> 01:38:12.500]  The only reason I haven't mailed out what I've got is because I don't want to give anybody anything that's not correct.
[01:38:12.500 --> 01:38:15.500]  In order to adapt.
[01:38:15.500 --> 01:38:19.500]  But I'm at a stage where I'm just going to have to say to heck with it.
[01:38:19.500 --> 01:38:26.500]  And I've got a separate folder in my email that everybody that's entitled to an update gets their email put into.
[01:38:26.500 --> 01:38:29.500]  I have a list comprised of everybody in that folder.
[01:38:29.500 --> 01:38:37.500]  So I may just here in the next week, just go ahead and send out what updates I have made so far.
[01:38:37.500 --> 01:38:44.500]  And just please, please go through them carefully before you use them.
[01:38:44.500 --> 01:38:53.500]  Because there are some statutory changes if you're here in Texas that you must be aware of that may not yet be in the paperwork.
[01:38:53.500 --> 01:39:00.500]  So Charlie, I apologize, but you are not alone in the boat about not having updates for a while.
[01:39:00.500 --> 01:39:08.500]  I wish I could clone me so I've got people working on everything that I've got to get out the door.
[01:39:08.500 --> 01:39:12.500]  It would be so nice, but unfortunately, that just isn't the way it works.
[01:39:12.500 --> 01:39:17.500]  I am not a sheeple. Cloning me is not easy.
[01:39:17.500 --> 01:39:19.500]  No, well, I understand.
[01:39:19.500 --> 01:39:21.500]  I understand everything you're telling me.
[01:39:21.500 --> 01:39:23.500]  I just wanted to make, you know, I just wanted to see it.
[01:39:23.500 --> 01:39:25.500]  Should I re-email you?
[01:39:25.500 --> 01:39:33.500]  Yes, just go ahead and re-email me and I'll go ahead and make sure that everybody in that folder is updated on the, on the list.
[01:39:33.500 --> 01:39:44.500]  And by, I'll say by the end of this week, I'll go ahead and email everything I've got to the folks in that list on the documents.
[01:39:44.500 --> 01:39:51.500]  I'm not, the book has not really been updated much, though it's been a little, but I will send you an updated copy of the book.
[01:39:51.500 --> 01:40:00.500]  It may or may not be newer than the one you've got, and I will send out updated copies of the two court document folders.
[01:40:00.500 --> 01:40:03.500]  And that will be the extent of what I can email.
[01:40:03.500 --> 01:40:07.500]  Everything else is far too large to go through email.
[01:40:07.500 --> 01:40:14.500]  I am even in the process still of trying to get this stuff organized where I can even make ISO images to burn DVDs with.
[01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:22.500]  It is a, it really is a monumental task to get this down to something we can even get mailed on DVDs.
[01:40:22.500 --> 01:40:26.500]  Is it still Eddie at Rule of Law or who doesn't know?
[01:40:26.500 --> 01:40:30.500]  No, it's Eddie at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:40:30.500 --> 01:40:35.500]  Okay, and then another thing, Eddie, I didn't get off here.
[01:40:35.500 --> 01:40:44.500]  You know, in regards to what you were just saying, I know not much effort you put into this stuff, and I hope everybody else appreciates it as much as I do as well.
[01:40:44.500 --> 01:40:57.500]  But in regard to that, when I came on tonight to just pick a phone number, I went to your site, I guess it's on Logos now, and then, you know, and what I wanted to do was support a little bit.
[01:40:57.500 --> 01:41:01.500]  So it indicated that, you know, I had to go through a membership.
[01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:05.500]  So I'm just trying to find out about that. I did that too as well.
[01:41:05.500 --> 01:41:12.500]  It took me to say, Kyle, they said they were going to take, you know, the membership due, what's the month, which I accepted.
[01:41:12.500 --> 01:41:17.500]  And then I went back to the site and said, you know, log in, it takes you back to log in.
[01:41:17.500 --> 01:41:21.500]  And then it says, it says, I don't exist.
[01:41:21.500 --> 01:41:24.500]  What's going on there? Do you understand what I'm saying?
[01:41:24.500 --> 01:41:35.500]  What you're saying, you joined and the database that maintains the user IDs and such may not have updated immediately after you attempted to join.
[01:41:35.500 --> 01:41:40.500]  I'm not actually, and I was not involved in the programming aspect of that.
[01:41:40.500 --> 01:41:48.500]  The web programmer that we were using is no longer working with us on that.
[01:41:48.500 --> 01:42:04.500]  I can see if I can get Deborah to send you an email. If you will also send her an email to that effect, she can reply back to that and tell you what's going on or what you need to do to fix it, or she needs to do to fix it.
[01:42:04.500 --> 01:42:05.500]  Okay.
[01:42:05.500 --> 01:42:25.500]  I'll wait and maybe it'll generate one. I'll give it to her or something. And then the final thing, I can ask you, as I had previously told you, you know, my, just what I've been trying to do is just trying to keep you sick if I haven't been trying to pursue any other sort of litigation.
[01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:38.500]  And now I'm to the point where, you know, and I just got some more harassing involvement with the municipalities. So I want to go ahead and pursue the other avenue, which is to mitigate, you know, to these people.
[01:42:38.500 --> 01:42:56.500]  So that's another question, then we agree. For instance, the warrants are issued for one municipality and then the other municipality picks it up and they pull you over for speeding whatever they have forced to be warrant and you get, you know, arrested.
[01:42:56.500 --> 01:43:06.500]  In fact, the first municipality, who is it that is actually best to, is the best to sue the city or individuals?
[01:43:06.500 --> 01:43:07.500]  Both.
[01:43:07.500 --> 01:43:17.500]  You cannot sue the officer that performed the arrest. He is acting under good faith that the warrant is valid.
[01:43:17.500 --> 01:43:23.500]  Now, if you can show he knew the warrant was not valid, that's a horse of a different color.
[01:43:23.500 --> 01:43:31.500]  But the warrant was issued by somebody that would have the knowledge to know whether or not it was valid.
[01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:40.500]  Sue them both in their individual and official capacities because the issuance of a warrant is a magisterial function.
[01:43:40.500 --> 01:43:47.500]  It is not a judicial function and no judge has immunity for a ministerial act.
[01:43:47.500 --> 01:43:48.500]  Okay.
[01:43:48.500 --> 01:43:50.500]  Can I get one more second?
[01:43:50.500 --> 01:43:59.500]  Yeah, hang on. I'll get back with you on the other side. We've got to wrap you up then. All right, folks, we'll be right back.
[01:43:59.500 --> 01:44:03.500]  Hey, did you hear Ron Paul has announced he's running for president in 2012?
[01:44:03.500 --> 01:44:04.500]  It is Ron Paul.
[01:44:04.500 --> 01:44:10.500]  Really? Okay, put down the cell phone for one minute. Your friends really don't care about your Twitter updates on what you had for breakfast.
[01:44:10.500 --> 01:44:13.500]  Oh, but I love to make those little smiley faces with punctuation marks.
[01:44:13.500 --> 01:44:20.500]  Of course you do. Now, listen closely. You need to go down to Brave New Books and learn as much as you can about Ron Paul and his message before it's too late.
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[01:44:37.500 --> 01:44:40.500]  Ugh, this sounds like that show in the Discovery Channel.
[01:44:40.500 --> 01:44:48.500]  Yeah, there's even a wilderness survival expert that teaches classes called Earthskill School that you can sign up for on the website bravenewbookstore.com. What are you doing?
[01:44:48.500 --> 01:44:54.500]  I'm tweeting all my friends that they should go to bravenewbookstore.com or down to the bookstore in person. Where's that located?
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[01:44:56.500 --> 01:44:58.500]  I even made a smiley face.
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[01:46:24.500 --> 01:46:36.500]  Calling number 512-646-1984.
[01:46:36.500 --> 01:46:42.500]  Okay, we are talking to Charlie in Missouri. Charlie, let's get you wrapped up. We've got a couple other callers to deal with.
[01:46:42.500 --> 01:46:54.500]  Okay Eddie, I'm back here. The question I had at hand, I was asking if you sued the city or you sued the physical individuals and you sued both.
[01:46:54.500 --> 01:46:55.500]  Correct.
[01:46:55.500 --> 01:46:57.500]  So if I sued the city, that would be one lawsuit and then I sued...
[01:46:57.500 --> 01:47:03.500]  No, they're all parties to the same lawsuit. It's under the same act.
[01:47:03.500 --> 01:47:11.500]  Under the same act. Okay, and then there must be other individuals involved in this. You do that through the scary and find out who did what.
[01:47:11.500 --> 01:47:16.500]  No, there's a logical chain of custody here that has to follow.
[01:47:16.500 --> 01:47:32.500]  Okay, again, it depends on what you're going to sue for. If you can show that the warrant was illegally issued, knowingly issued by a judge that lacked any jurisdiction or had no issue before them because there was no complaint of any kind,
[01:47:32.500 --> 01:47:42.500]  then you go after the judge in their ministerial capacity as a magistrate. They have no immunity in their ministerial capacity.
[01:47:42.500 --> 01:47:50.500]  And the issuance of a warrant is a ministerial function. It is not a judicial function.
[01:47:50.500 --> 01:47:55.500]  Okay, that's within. So what would be the problem with the city that they allowed all this to happen?
[01:47:55.500 --> 01:47:57.500]  This is a municipal judge, right?
[01:47:57.500 --> 01:47:58.500]  Right.
[01:47:58.500 --> 01:48:04.500]  Okay, who's responsible for training the municipal judge?
[01:48:04.500 --> 01:48:07.500]  Right. Somebody in the city.
[01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:14.500]  Right, and who is responsible for putting a complaint in front of the municipal judge?
[01:48:14.500 --> 01:48:16.500]  Prophecy around who.
[01:48:16.500 --> 01:48:18.500]  Who works for who?
[01:48:18.500 --> 01:48:19.500]  The mayor.
[01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:22.500]  As a city attorney, right?
[01:48:22.500 --> 01:48:23.500]  Right.
[01:48:23.500 --> 01:48:35.500]  Okay, so your magistrate, your city attorney, the city mayor, and the city manager, all of them will be in the suit.
[01:48:35.500 --> 01:48:36.500]  Good.
[01:48:36.500 --> 01:48:37.500]  Okay.
[01:48:37.500 --> 01:48:43.500]  One other question before you. Take it to a federal level, because I know somebody else might want to call in. Take it to a federal level.
[01:48:43.500 --> 01:48:46.500]  You do the same thing on the federal level?
[01:48:46.500 --> 01:48:48.500]  Absolutely.
[01:48:48.500 --> 01:48:51.500]  Okay, and you have the individuals listed in there?
[01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:52.500]  Yes.
[01:48:52.500 --> 01:49:08.500]  I'm pretty – that gives me just about all the information that I need for now. Listen, I appreciate all the time you've taken with me, and I appreciate all your diligence in trying to train all these people out there and what they should be doing, because it only helps us all.
[01:49:08.500 --> 01:49:11.500]  Okay, well, I appreciate you calling in.
[01:49:11.500 --> 01:49:12.500]  Thanks a lot, Eddie.
[01:49:12.500 --> 01:49:18.500]  All right, thanks. All right, now we're going to go to Chris in Texas. Chris, what can we do for you?
[01:49:18.500 --> 01:49:31.500]  Hey, Eddie, thanks for taking my call. I'll make it quick. Would there be any reason why you wouldn't, if you were out traveling on the road and you got a tick – an officer wrote your ticket after telling him all this?
[01:49:31.500 --> 01:49:47.500]  Would there be any reason why you wouldn't go straight to the courthouse if it was during court hours or the next day and demand that you are there to make your appearance even though they would claim that they have no record of it?
[01:49:47.500 --> 01:49:52.500]  Did you file anything with the clerk of the court that would show that you were there?
[01:49:52.500 --> 01:50:04.500]  When I've done it, I've made them give me a receipt stamped with their little fill saying that I came to appear and they were not ready.
[01:50:04.500 --> 01:50:09.500]  Okay, that's fine. Then you have evidence you complied with the notice to appear.
[01:50:09.500 --> 01:50:27.500]  Okay, I was just – The other problem they have, though, is if the citation is for a Class C fine-only offense, there is no authority in Texas statute for that magistrate to issue a warrant for failure to comply with the notice.
[01:50:27.500 --> 01:50:41.500]  Proof of that is in 15.17G of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 27.14D of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Okay, that simply won't fly.
[01:50:41.500 --> 01:50:49.500]  Okay. Well, that wraps up my question. I wanted to go ahead and leave enough room for the next caller.
[01:50:49.500 --> 01:50:51.500]  Okay. Appreciate you calling in, Chris.
[01:50:51.500 --> 01:50:53.500]  Bye-bye.
[01:50:53.500 --> 01:50:59.500]  All right. I would say who this is, but this caller has not been screened, so I have no idea.
[01:50:59.500 --> 01:51:05.500]  Can you give us your name and the state you're calling from, please?
[01:51:05.500 --> 01:51:06.500]  Hello?
[01:51:06.500 --> 01:51:07.500]  Yep, that would be you.
[01:51:07.500 --> 01:51:11.500]  Okay, I was going to say we don't know which caller it is. This is Johnny in Texas again.
[01:51:11.500 --> 01:51:13.500]  All right, Johnny, what's up?
[01:51:13.500 --> 01:51:28.500]  Well, I have a question for you regarding suspension of driver's license. Okay, my girlfriend has quite a few traffic tickets, which she has done a very good job of going and fighting and getting dismissed.
[01:51:28.500 --> 01:51:34.500]  But the Department of Transportation, you know how they work.
[01:51:34.500 --> 01:51:47.500]  Yeah, they operate on an administrative side as well as a judicial side. The administrative process continues even though the judicial process hasn't completed or has in your favor.
[01:51:47.500 --> 01:51:54.500]  Yeah, they don't care whether the tickets are dismissed or dropped. They just see that you have been charged and they suspend your license.
[01:51:54.500 --> 01:52:06.500]  And in her profession, she's required to have a driver's license when she's working, so I'm just curious as to what your suggestion might be as far as a process for...
[01:52:06.500 --> 01:52:23.500]  Okay, first thing is she needs to get a copy of her alleged driving record. She needs to see what municipality or JP's court gave the information through the administrative process to the Department of Public Safety.
[01:52:23.500 --> 01:52:30.500]  And then, which ones failed to notify of the dismissal?
[01:52:30.500 --> 01:52:44.500]  Now that their failure to report the dismissal and withdraw the information from the DPS has resulted in a harm to her ability to make a living, she gets to sue.
[01:52:44.500 --> 01:52:55.500]  Okay, well I know there's a lawsuit in there somewhere and when she's pulled over, she's very well versed on traveling versus driving, but unfortunately that doesn't apply in her profession.
[01:52:55.500 --> 01:53:01.500]  She actually is driving, so we need to get that back for her.
[01:53:01.500 --> 01:53:09.500]  Ah, but the question becomes, can the state prove she is driving?
[01:53:09.500 --> 01:53:14.500]  Well, when she's not, yeah, are you talking about even when she's working?
[01:53:14.500 --> 01:53:15.500]  Correct.
[01:53:15.500 --> 01:53:17.500]  Ah, yeah, I see what you're saying.
[01:53:17.500 --> 01:53:29.500]  Did they collect any evidence of a passenger manifest, a bill of lading, or a logbook that would show she was actively engaging in transportation at the time they stopped her?
[01:53:29.500 --> 01:53:41.500]  To make no effort to gather that evidence, they're not trying to prove transportation and that's what they have to prove for the state to have standing to prosecute.
[01:53:41.500 --> 01:53:58.500]  If they fail to prove that on the record, the court never gets jurisdiction because there is no subject matter over which the state has regulatory authority that has an alleged offense before the court.
[01:53:58.500 --> 01:54:02.500]  You follow?
[01:54:02.500 --> 01:54:03.500]  Oh, hang on.
[01:54:03.500 --> 01:54:05.500]  Somebody muted you and I don't know why.
[01:54:05.500 --> 01:54:06.500]  All right, try that again.
[01:54:06.500 --> 01:54:11.500]  Well, I missed about the last 30 seconds of what you said right in the middle of you talking to me.
[01:54:11.500 --> 01:54:13.500]  It rang through to the screener again.
[01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:15.500]  I don't know what's going on there.
[01:54:15.500 --> 01:54:16.500]  Okay.
[01:54:16.500 --> 01:54:20.500]  What I was saying is that, okay, let's back up and look at this.
[01:54:20.500 --> 01:54:43.500]  When she is actually working, okay, the officer in order for the state to have standing still has to conduct his investigation in order to gather evidence that would prove transportation was occurring because that is the only thing that gives the state standing in court.
[01:54:43.500 --> 01:54:53.500]  Is to prove either through prima facie and unrebutted presumption or through physical evidence that transportation was taking place.
[01:54:53.500 --> 01:54:55.500]  So here's the situation.
[01:54:55.500 --> 01:55:11.500]  If the officer did not get a bill of lading, a passenger manifest or a logbook that would prove that she was engaging in transportation at the time, then all they have is a prima facie presumption.
[01:55:11.500 --> 01:55:16.500]  All she has to do is argue that I wasn't and you have no evidence to the contrary.
[01:55:16.500 --> 01:55:19.500]  So I object to the assertion that I was.
[01:55:19.500 --> 01:55:20.500]  Yeah.
[01:55:20.500 --> 01:55:22.500]  And we usually address that at the time of the stop.
[01:55:22.500 --> 01:55:28.500]  You know, usually what I'm pulled over the first thing I'll ask the officer is, is there a record of this encounter being made?
[01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:30.500]  And they'll say, yes, there is both audio and video.
[01:55:30.500 --> 01:55:34.500]  And I'll say, well, you know, let the record show I'm not engaged in any commerce.
[01:55:34.500 --> 01:55:37.500]  So I mean, we, we rebut the presumptions right up front.
[01:55:37.500 --> 01:55:38.500]  Right.
[01:55:38.500 --> 01:55:39.500]  And then go and get copies of that.
[01:55:39.500 --> 01:55:41.500]  So yeah, that makes sense.
[01:55:41.500 --> 01:55:42.500]  I guess it basically doesn't matter.
[01:55:42.500 --> 01:55:44.500]  She has one for a job or not.
[01:55:44.500 --> 01:55:51.500]  We were just curious as to what the process would be for people who do want to get them back for limited use.
[01:55:51.500 --> 01:55:52.500]  Yeah, it wouldn't.
[01:55:52.500 --> 01:56:05.500]  It would not even matter if you actually were engaging in commerce at the time if the state can't prove it and you actively rebut the only case they can make, which would be presumptive.
[01:56:05.500 --> 01:56:06.500]  Yeah.
[01:56:06.500 --> 01:56:09.500]  Presumption is never evidence.
[01:56:09.500 --> 01:56:12.500]  Never.
[01:56:12.500 --> 01:56:13.500]  Yeah.
[01:56:13.500 --> 01:56:20.500]  Well, you know, you know how they are, their, their statutes are full of, you know, they, they, they shift the burden of proof to you.
[01:56:20.500 --> 01:56:21.500]  They tell you.
[01:56:21.500 --> 01:56:28.500]  Yeah, but the moment you read a statute that attempts to do that, the first argument is a denial of due process.
[01:56:28.500 --> 01:56:32.500]  They cannot shift the burden of proof in an alleged criminal case.
[01:56:32.500 --> 01:56:34.500]  Yeah, we're aware of that.
[01:56:34.500 --> 01:56:35.500]  Okay.
[01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:37.500]  Everybody else listening to this discussion may not.
[01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:39.500]  So I'm going to say it for their benefit.
[01:56:39.500 --> 01:56:41.500]  I hear you.
[01:56:41.500 --> 01:56:42.500]  Okay.
[01:56:42.500 --> 01:56:43.500]  Well, that's very helpful.
[01:56:43.500 --> 01:56:44.500]  I appreciate it.
[01:56:44.500 --> 01:56:45.500]  All right.
[01:56:45.500 --> 01:56:46.500]  No problem.
[01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:47.500]  I thank you much for calling in.
[01:56:47.500 --> 01:56:48.500]  All right.
[01:56:48.500 --> 01:56:49.500]  Bye-bye.
[01:56:49.500 --> 01:56:50.500]  Bye-bye.
[01:56:50.500 --> 01:56:54.500]  All right, folks, we've only got a couple of minutes left in the show and Johnny was our last caller.
[01:56:54.500 --> 01:56:56.500]  So we're going to go ahead and turn the phones off.
[01:56:56.500 --> 01:56:59.500]  We're not going to have time to take another caller even if we wanted to.
[01:56:59.500 --> 01:57:00.500]  Okay.
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