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[00:00.000 --> 00:05.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet.
[00:05.000 --> 00:09.760]  Israeli aircraft struck the Gaza Strip Thursday as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
[00:09.760 --> 00:13.560]  blamed Iran for fighting in the Palestinian territory.
[00:13.560 --> 00:18.520]  Violence has resumed since the collapse of a truce Tuesday, accusing Iran of arming,
[00:18.520 --> 00:22.240]  financing and training Gaza militants and giving them their marching orders.
[00:22.240 --> 00:26.000]  Netanyahu claimed, Gaza is Iran.
[00:26.000 --> 00:32.000]  Pakistan has told the U.S. who will no longer permit drones to use Pakistan's airspace
[00:32.000 --> 00:35.000]  to launch attacks or collect intelligence.
[00:35.000 --> 00:39.000]  If the U.S. continues flying drone missions without Pakistani permission,
[00:39.000 --> 00:45.000]  some Pakistani military officials have suggested Pakistan would be within its rights to shoot them down.
[00:45.000 --> 00:50.000]  In turn, the U.S. could withdraw $4.4 billion in economic assistance,
[00:50.000 --> 00:54.000]  counterinsurgency funding and military reimbursement.
[00:54.000 --> 00:59.000]  The Ohio State Government says earthquakes can now be added to the harmful consequences
[00:59.000 --> 01:05.000]  of the controversial practice of fracking, whereby gas is forced out of the ground by pressurized fluid.
[01:05.000 --> 01:11.000]  In a recent report, the Ohio Department of Natural Resources concluded a rash of 12 earthquakes
[01:11.000 --> 01:18.000]  in the Youngstown, Ohio area between March and December 2011 was likely due to nearby fracking operations.
[01:18.000 --> 01:25.000]  The nonprofit Community Preservation Corporation has teetered on the brink of collapse,
[01:25.000 --> 01:31.000]  ever since starting a for-profit wing that invested hundreds of millions of dollars in luxury condos.
[01:31.000 --> 01:36.000]  The investments were spearheaded by Community Preservation's longtime leader, Michael Lappin,
[01:36.000 --> 01:44.000]  whose salary and bonuses rose to $1.1 million as he pushed the group into risky adventures during the housing boom.
[01:44.000 --> 01:48.000]  Some were financed by Community Preservation, others by its for-profit spinoff.
[01:48.000 --> 01:52.000]  At the peak of the real estate boom in 2007 and 2008,
[01:52.000 --> 01:57.000]  more than half of the $1.5 billion in loans originated by Community Preservation
[01:57.000 --> 02:00.000]  or its for-profit arm were for luxury condos.
[02:00.000 --> 02:05.000]  Nearly two-thirds of CPC's condo loans are delinquent.
[02:05.000 --> 02:09.000]  Iranian human rights activist Abdullaji Al-Kawaja,
[02:09.000 --> 02:14.000]  who had been fasting for five weeks protesting his detention and that of other activists arrested
[02:14.000 --> 02:20.000]  during pro-democracy demonstrations, has lost 31 pounds and is so weak he can barely stand.
[02:20.000 --> 02:25.000]  Al-Kawaja won a 14 activists and political leaders taken from his home at night
[02:25.000 --> 02:28.000]  was not allowed to bring his diabetes medication with him.
[02:28.000 --> 02:31.000]  He and six others were given life sentences by a military court.
[02:31.000 --> 02:36.000]  A committee investigating abuses during last year's crackdown on mass demonstrations
[02:36.000 --> 02:41.000]  recommended that a civilian court review all convictions handed down by military trials.
[02:41.000 --> 02:46.000]  However, most are being reviewed by a committee appointed by the Supreme Judicial Council,
[02:46.000 --> 02:49.000]  a body chaired by Bahrain's King.
[02:49.000 --> 02:54.000]  For more details on this story, visit INS.org before.net
[03:20.000 --> 03:25.000]  Bad boys, what you want, what you going, what you going to do
[03:25.000 --> 03:29.000]  When you have a son broken for you
[03:31.000 --> 03:36.000]  Tell me, what you going to do, what you going to do
[03:38.000 --> 03:45.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you going to do, what you going to do when they come for you
[03:45.000 --> 03:51.000]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you going to do, what you going to do when they come for you
[03:51.000 --> 03:54.000]  When you were eight and your had bad creates
[03:54.000 --> 03:57.000]  You go to school and earn the golden rules
[03:57.000 --> 03:59.000]  So why are you acting like a lucky fool
[04:01.000 --> 04:03.000]  This is your goodness
[04:03.000 --> 04:05.000]  What you going to do
[04:11.000 --> 04:13.000]  When they come for you
[04:13.000 --> 04:20.800]  Alright folks, good evening. This is Lula's Law Radio. It is March 15th, 2012. We are
[04:20.800 --> 04:26.400]  live, not Memorex tonight. This is our Thursday night show. First thing I'd like to do is
[04:26.400 --> 04:31.440]  say thank you all very much to everyone that has been contributing to the legal fund to
[04:31.440 --> 04:38.560]  get this appeal process done. We managed to get the money we needed to get the appeal
[04:38.560 --> 04:43.840]  bond done, but we're not out of the woods yet. We are still looking for donations to
[04:43.840 --> 04:51.280]  continue beyond this into the federal lawsuit. We will update the ticker there on the front
[04:51.280 --> 04:57.480]  page of the ruleoflawradio.com website to reflect that the funds are going toward the
[04:57.480 --> 05:03.040]  federal suit so that everybody knows what they're contributing to. The estimated cost
[05:03.040 --> 05:11.480]  is anywhere from $3,500 to $8,000 to see that suit through beginning to end. For those
[05:11.480 --> 05:15.560]  of you that are asking, well, I contribute this money, what do I get out of it? How
[05:15.560 --> 05:21.080]  does freedom from government regulation sound? How does all the money that you were paying
[05:21.080 --> 05:29.040]  in traffic fines, registration fees, licensing fees, and all the other crap taxes they were
[05:29.040 --> 05:37.360]  charging you with that you never owed back in your pocket permanently? That's what's
[05:37.360 --> 05:43.200]  in it for you if we get this to the federal court and get the case one that we need one.
[05:43.200 --> 05:48.800]  This is our opportunity to get the right to travel issue back in front of the federal
[05:48.800 --> 05:58.760]  courts to get a new updated ruling and precedent set on the fact that we cannot be compelled
[05:58.760 --> 06:08.400]  as private citizens to participate in commerce against our will. We cannot be licensed to
[06:08.400 --> 06:16.280]  exercise a right. We cannot be licensed to make use of our own private property or its
[06:16.280 --> 06:24.520]  intended purposes. That's what's in it for you. I just agreed to be the guy that gets
[06:24.520 --> 06:30.640]  crap kicked in his face, courts brow beating him to death, and having to put up with the
[06:30.640 --> 06:35.680]  general harassment of the police officers by getting the tickets and going through the
[06:35.680 --> 06:42.880]  arrests and all this other stuff so that we can get this into the courts for everybody's
[06:42.880 --> 06:52.120]  benefit. I took that upon myself to do. Those of you out there that don't really care, then
[06:52.120 --> 06:56.760]  I guess this really won't apply to you. You'll sit back and reap the benefits either way
[06:56.760 --> 07:04.560]  in the long run. The problem is, is that's pretty much a chicken crap way out if you
[07:04.560 --> 07:14.040]  ask me. If you want the freedom, help support the fight needed to get it. It's that simple.
[07:14.040 --> 07:18.400]  If you don't have the capability to go to court and win it for yourself, support those
[07:18.400 --> 07:26.800]  of us who are doing our very best out here to get it done on your behalf. This show and
[07:26.800 --> 07:33.800]  the people on it, we've dedicated ourselves to helping everyone. We're not in this for
[07:33.800 --> 07:40.120]  the money. None of us have bank accounts to speak of. Hell, I barely have $2 bills to
[07:40.120 --> 07:47.480]  rub together at any given time, most days of the week. People call me constantly. I still
[07:47.480 --> 07:51.040]  have to pay that phone bill. I still have to pay all the other bills that are normally
[07:51.040 --> 08:00.400]  associated with living. We can't do that without your help because this is all we do.
[08:00.400 --> 08:07.240]  For those of you that have given so far, thank you so much. It is absolutely greatly appreciated
[08:07.240 --> 08:13.960]  more than you know. In fact, a very dear friend of mine in Nacogdoches found out how much
[08:13.960 --> 08:22.160]  we had and despite the fact that he is living on a very limited income, he's in his 70s
[08:22.160 --> 08:29.000]  and he didn't really have it to give, he gave the balance of $1,000 left to make sure that
[08:29.000 --> 08:38.000]  come tomorrow, this opportunity was not missed for lack of funds. Even at his age, he sees
[08:38.000 --> 08:44.080]  hope on the horizon and knows what we're trying to do and the justice of it and the rightness
[08:44.080 --> 08:50.680]  of it and he gave everything he could above and beyond his means. Richard, I greatly appreciate
[08:50.680 --> 08:55.880]  you doing that. I begged you not to do that because we do have listeners that are willing
[08:55.880 --> 09:03.120]  to help. Folks, we got people out there that are given till it quite literally financially
[09:03.120 --> 09:11.880]  hurts, okay? And that's the least anyone out there should be willing to do for what they're
[09:11.880 --> 09:21.960]  going to get in return, our freedom back. Let's make that happen, okay? Yes, again, now Thursday
[09:21.960 --> 09:26.840]  night sounds just like the Jerry Lewis telephone all over again, but it's for a good cause,
[09:26.840 --> 09:33.040]  folks, just like the Jerry Lewis telephone. It's here to benefit everyone, not just a
[09:33.040 --> 09:40.240]  select few and don't think that what we win is limited to Texas either because the precedent
[09:40.240 --> 09:47.480]  we said here will carry over to other states. It will absolutely carry over when there's
[09:47.480 --> 09:54.640]  nothing in that state that is equal or on par with it, then you get to use it. So it will
[09:54.640 --> 10:00.200]  be available to the folks in every state to say, hey, look, even Texas agrees this is
[10:00.200 --> 10:05.720]  commercial. What makes you think you have the right to deprive me of the use of my car
[10:05.720 --> 10:11.320]  that I bought and paid for to go where and when I want to, which is what liberty is all
[10:11.320 --> 10:17.640]  about? Folks, I'm telling you right now, if you've got that license, you go through that
[10:17.640 --> 10:22.960]  registration, you go through all the other mandatory things they demand you do before
[10:22.960 --> 10:29.000]  you're even allowed to set foot outside your door and travel of your own free will, you
[10:29.000 --> 10:38.720]  are not free. You are only living under the illusion of being free. And you have convinced
[10:38.720 --> 10:49.000]  yourself that freedom has governmental limits. And that is absolutely not true.
[10:49.000 --> 10:59.280]  Okay, okay, guys, okay, I'm going to make the supreme sacrifice. I'm going to donate
[10:59.280 --> 11:03.680]  my beer fund to the cause.
[11:03.680 --> 11:09.200]  Deborah, how much is in that fund? I'll have to check.
[11:09.200 --> 11:13.840]  I think he's got more stock than the fridge and root beer than what's in the fund.
[11:13.840 --> 11:16.600]  Well, I had to get off the root as well.
[11:16.600 --> 11:20.000]  Oh, you did too much sugar.
[11:20.000 --> 11:27.840]  Too much carbonation. Ah, that's what happens when you get old. Just for the record, I quit
[11:27.840 --> 11:35.880]  drinking root beer and I quit having lung congestion all together. If I drink one root
[11:35.880 --> 11:39.320]  beer, I'll have lung congestion for a week.
[11:39.320 --> 11:46.120]  Yeah, there is medical information that says that sweetener, one of the things they use
[11:46.120 --> 11:52.000]  in that sweetener can cause lung congestion. So drinking soda is not only as bad for you
[11:52.000 --> 11:57.200]  for the carbonation and the sugar alone, but for the actual chemicals in that sweetener
[11:57.200 --> 12:04.680]  they're using. That's the information that Ms. Carolyn provided me with on her research
[12:04.680 --> 12:07.200]  on the contents of these things.
[12:07.200 --> 12:16.640]  That's free medical advice that we'll accept donations for.
[12:16.640 --> 12:21.880]  We do actually have a caller on the board, Randy. So let's take our caller here. Even
[12:21.880 --> 12:23.840]  then, Steve, what can we do for you?
[12:23.840 --> 12:28.040]  Well, Eddie, I don't know if you know who I am, but you share a house with us.
[12:28.040 --> 12:30.880]  Yeah, I'm pretty sure I got that far down.
[12:30.880 --> 12:33.400]  Hey, this is Eddie the Chomp?
[12:33.400 --> 12:34.400]  Yeah.
[12:34.400 --> 12:37.400]  I mean, Steve the Chomp?
[12:37.400 --> 12:38.400]  Yeah.
[12:38.400 --> 12:40.400]  You going to stump me, Randy?
[12:40.400 --> 12:45.400]  I haven't stumped you in a while, but I am going to talk about something you're going
[12:45.400 --> 12:47.400]  to want to listen to in a bit.
[12:47.400 --> 12:52.960]  Well, I'll do that. I'll do that. I just wanted to chime in here and let all the listeners
[12:52.960 --> 12:59.040]  know that since Eddie does live with us, my wife and I, and has for a year and a half,
[12:59.040 --> 13:05.840]  I have physically seen the man hours that has gone in to Eddie's studies, his diligence
[13:05.840 --> 13:12.080]  and folks. This man ain't playing. If this were a job and everybody owed him for doing
[13:12.080 --> 13:16.320]  that job, he'd be a millionaire by now. If he got a dollar an hour, he'd be a millionaire
[13:16.320 --> 13:24.080]  by now. He's got that kind of hours in his research. Please, please, please donate to
[13:24.080 --> 13:31.880]  this cause. It's worthy. It's very worthwhile. Eddie, my hat's off to you. I don't know anybody
[13:31.880 --> 13:39.040]  on the face of this planet that can rattle off at least Texas transportation because
[13:39.040 --> 13:43.920]  the way you can, you breathe this stuff and my hat's off to you. I'm just calling to let
[13:43.920 --> 13:53.280]  everybody know that Eddie doesn't just sit there and do nothing. He's got unimaginable
[13:53.280 --> 14:01.760]  numbers of hours in diligent research. If you won't do your due diligence listener, then
[14:01.760 --> 14:07.760]  pay somebody to do it for you. Pony up to what he's asking of you. He's not doing it
[14:07.760 --> 14:12.720]  just for himself. He's doing it for you. He's doing it for me. He's doing it for my wife
[14:12.720 --> 14:20.520]  and my kids. He's doing it for all of us. Support him in his effort. That's about all
[14:20.520 --> 14:28.440]  I got to say. Steve, we certainly appreciate the call and everything else greatly. I really
[14:28.440 --> 14:34.480]  do. Yeah, folks, and I'd like to say thanks to Steve, too, on the air because they literally
[14:34.480 --> 14:39.120]  have opened their home to me for the entire year and a half that I've been in Austin.
[14:39.120 --> 14:44.000]  I was only supposed to be here for two or three months tops to deal with the legislature.
[14:44.000 --> 14:48.760]  Instead, they've allowed me to stay here and continue to help as many people here in Austin
[14:48.760 --> 14:54.560]  as I possibly could while I'm waiting for the next legislative session to begin to try
[14:54.560 --> 15:03.840]  this stuff all over again. Just as many kudos to the Skidmore's for allowing me a place
[15:03.840 --> 15:08.240]  to live here in Austin so that I could be available to teach people in the classes at
[15:08.240 --> 15:15.080]  Brave New Books to go down and help them with their court cases and to go down and testify
[15:15.080 --> 15:22.640]  at the legislative hearings and so on and so forth. Folks, they're just as much a part
[15:22.640 --> 15:28.120]  of my being able to do this as my willingness to study it and put it into words. So don't
[15:28.120 --> 15:34.080]  forget that they're going through foreclosure issues and everything here on this house.
[15:34.080 --> 15:38.840]  They're just like everybody else. They're struggling to make ends meet with work that
[15:38.840 --> 15:44.560]  just no one wants to contribute to because it actually costs money to get anything done.
[15:44.560 --> 15:50.400]  It's amazing. That's the one thing about the Patriot community I have come to despise.
[15:50.400 --> 15:56.160]  For the most part, I completely agree we're good people all looking for good ends. But
[15:56.160 --> 16:03.400]  when it comes time to financially put out to make the rubber meet the road, everybody
[16:03.400 --> 16:08.360]  in this movement seems to think they're entitled to what everybody else has put their blood,
[16:08.360 --> 16:15.560]  sweat and tears into for free. I can't figure that out. Everybody wants help, but nobody
[16:15.560 --> 16:21.920]  wants to support those that spend the time and effort necessary to provide that help.
[16:21.920 --> 16:27.680]  And I find that kind of disheartening in so many ways. Now I'm not directing that at everyone.
[16:27.680 --> 16:33.000]  I know that there are many out there that give till it hurts and that's greatly appreciated.
[16:33.000 --> 16:38.280]  But I can tell you that in numbers, I have met far more people that want it for nothing
[16:38.280 --> 16:43.160]  in this movement than I have those that are willing to financially support it. And we
[16:43.160 --> 16:48.600]  need to change that, folks, because there's a fight to be had and like any other fight
[16:48.600 --> 16:53.160]  and war, it costs money to run it. All right, this is Rural Law Radio, calling
[16:53.160 --> 16:58.160]  numbers 512-646-1984. This is Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens. We'll be right
[16:58.160 --> 17:04.400]  back after the break. America is in trouble. Washington is a disgrace. Government has
[17:04.400 --> 17:09.600]  become too big. It's overtaxing, overspending. We need to change direction. We really need
[17:09.600 --> 17:14.120]  change. You can't afford to make the same mistakes we've made in the past. Mitt Romney's reputation
[17:14.120 --> 17:18.680]  is a flood flopper. He went the other way when he got paid to go the other way. There is
[17:18.680 --> 17:24.120]  need for economic stimulus. It's about serial hypocrisy. This election is about trust. There's
[17:24.120 --> 17:29.480]  been one true consistent candidate, and that's Dr. Ron Paul. Ron Paul has been so consistent
[17:29.480 --> 17:33.320]  from the very beginning. He seems like a more honest candidate. He tells the truth about
[17:33.320 --> 17:37.720]  what he believes, whether you like it or not. He's never once voted for a tax increase,
[17:37.720 --> 17:43.120]  never once voted for an unbalanced budget. Ron Paul's plan is bold. Cut five departments
[17:43.120 --> 17:47.080]  is what we need. When he says he's going to cut a trillion dollars in the first year,
[17:47.080 --> 17:51.440]  I believe it. If you don't like how things are going, if you're tired of politicians,
[17:51.440 --> 17:56.960]  he's something different. Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Ron Paul. He's the one we've been
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[18:57.760 --> 19:13.760]  to learn how to stop debt collectors next.
[19:13.760 --> 19:30.960]  Let's ask those people out there how much debt they want to make, and how much are Crystal
[19:30.960 --> 19:41.960]  and Russell good fortune you speak for.
[19:41.960 --> 19:48.960]  and angry. Let them act standing up and fighting for the freedom and the free. And they let
[19:48.960 --> 19:56.960]  them look slavery and get hand out for the government's sake. We ask the question.
[19:56.960 --> 20:07.960]  We don't have the answer. We ask the question.
[20:07.960 --> 20:30.960]  We don't have the answer. We ask the question.
[20:30.960 --> 20:32.960]  All right folks, we are back.
[20:32.960 --> 20:38.880]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Debra Stevens, and again you can
[20:38.880 --> 20:45.840]  donate to Eddie's legal fund to take his case into the federal courts. Go to ruleoflawradio.com
[20:46.720 --> 20:52.400]  and you'll see there's a chip-in widget on the homepage and we very much appreciate any help
[20:52.400 --> 20:59.760]  that you folks can give. We are also hoping to be able to give a little bit back to Eddie's friend
[20:59.760 --> 21:06.960]  in Nacodotus who's 70 years old and couldn't really afford to give what he gave, so we need to try
[21:06.960 --> 21:13.280]  to reimburse him for that because that really, you know, it's really hurting him right now,
[21:13.280 --> 21:18.960]  but he knows how important this fight is. In the meantime, right now I have a guest,
[21:19.600 --> 21:26.720]  Mr. Harold Fenton from Truth News Radio Australia. He is our newest host on the network.
[21:26.720 --> 21:33.120]  You folks may have heard some of his podcasts the last few weeks, the last three weeks,
[21:33.120 --> 21:37.840]  last three Wednesdays at 8 p.m. Central Time. We've been playing his podcast. He's been doing
[21:37.840 --> 21:44.400]  podcasts for quite a while now and now he is going to be on the network doing live radio shows.
[21:45.120 --> 21:49.440]  He's got some things that he wants to talk about tonight and I just wanted to introduce him
[21:49.440 --> 21:55.120]  to our audience. We've had him on before in the past, but I'd like to bring him on tonight
[21:55.120 --> 22:02.160]  because Harold is going to go live this coming Wednesday at 8 p.m. and Harold, thank you for
[22:02.160 --> 22:07.600]  joining us tonight. Welcome to the show. Hi Deborah, thanks for having me aboard.
[22:07.600 --> 22:15.280]  Yeah, it's great to be able to chat with you. Okay, wonderful. Harold, you have a new project
[22:15.280 --> 22:19.920]  that you've been working on. We want to give out some of your websites here. Give us the links to
[22:19.920 --> 22:25.200]  some of your websites, your main website with your blog and your podcast and then also talk about your
[22:25.200 --> 22:30.960]  new project. We will not be scanned. Tell us about your websites. Yeah, absolutely. Well,
[22:30.960 --> 22:37.760]  the main website for the show is truthnews.com.au, just truthnewsradioaustralia. We'll get you there
[22:37.760 --> 22:44.720]  on Google and that's got all our podcasts going back to 2008. We've done a lot of interviews.
[22:44.720 --> 22:51.040]  We've done quite a lot of interesting coverage of all the subjects that are important in the
[22:51.040 --> 22:58.240]  kind of freedom and liberty movements, including issues about health and the military industrial
[22:58.240 --> 23:03.360]  complex and what's going on in our part of the world, which is obviously probably not
[23:04.000 --> 23:11.200]  highly on the radar of people in the US. So if you want to get a perspective of this side of
[23:11.200 --> 23:17.760]  the world, you'll find a lot of original stuff on our show. Now, a new project that I launched
[23:17.760 --> 23:24.880]  a few weeks ago was inspired by the fact that we are now getting the body scanners,
[23:24.880 --> 23:30.000]  which have been of course installed around the world by various governments, and the body
[23:30.000 --> 23:38.400]  scanners have been in trial in Melbourne and Sydney last year and they've now decided,
[23:38.400 --> 23:44.080]  having done their trials and decided that it's all perfectly safe, that we will now be getting them
[23:44.080 --> 23:54.400]  in Australia and they're due to go into full use in July 2012. So the body scanners that
[23:54.400 --> 24:01.440]  they're actually bringing into Sydney Airport are not the X-ray backscanner scanners. They are the
[24:01.440 --> 24:08.240]  millimeter wave scanners and it is being basically pushed through the government that this is
[24:08.240 --> 24:13.600]  perfectly safe. They're saying that unlike the X-ray backscanner, there is no danger with these
[24:13.600 --> 24:18.000]  particular scanners and of course they're saying that they've introduced these modesty features,
[24:18.000 --> 24:23.920]  which means that the operator only sees a stick figure and doesn't actually see the contours
[24:23.920 --> 24:31.040]  of your naked body. Now, I've got criticisms and I've got challenges to all of the claims
[24:31.040 --> 24:36.880]  that are made about the body scanners and actually when you look at it, when you examine it, there's
[24:36.880 --> 24:44.160]  actually about five levels of reasons why we totally oppose the introduction of these scanners.
[24:44.160 --> 24:50.480]  There is the issue of privacy, which is not really addressed by the stick figure version,
[24:50.480 --> 24:54.640]  which I'll address in a minute. There is the violation of civil liberties, which of course,
[24:54.640 --> 24:59.120]  you know, putting a passenger in a position of essentially being strip searched, essentially
[24:59.120 --> 25:06.000]  being rendered with their hands in the air and subjected to an invasive procedure. That's
[25:06.000 --> 25:10.720]  certainly violation of civil liberties. There is a lack of research of the health risks of the
[25:10.720 --> 25:16.240]  scanners and the millimeter wave scanner, which is different to the backscatter, has even less
[25:16.240 --> 25:22.720]  research done on it than the backscale ones. So when they say there is no evidence that suggests
[25:22.720 --> 25:27.360]  that these are harmful, what they really mean is there really hasn't been any research and of
[25:27.360 --> 25:32.640]  course the precautionary principle should indicate that in that case you should not deploy them until
[25:32.640 --> 25:37.360]  you've done the research to ensure that they're safe. Then of course, there's the manifest
[25:37.360 --> 25:43.360]  corruption and conflicts of interest within the companies that are selling this equipment,
[25:43.360 --> 25:50.720]  including the large company L3 Provision, which was funded initially by the US Defense Department
[25:50.720 --> 25:58.080]  and Michael Chertoff, the former head of the Department of Homeland Security, was of course the
[25:58.080 --> 26:04.000]  head of that and he was also a major shareholder in that company. And of course, then we have
[26:04.000 --> 26:11.360]  the final insult to our intelligence, which is that the clear use of force flag staged attacks
[26:11.360 --> 26:18.480]  such as that now fully exposed by Kurt Haskell in order to trigger and justify the bringing in
[26:18.480 --> 26:24.720]  of these machines. Well, absolutely. And you really spoke correctly when you're talking about
[26:24.720 --> 26:29.600]  the lack of research and these millimeter waves, which are actually in the radio wave
[26:30.880 --> 26:38.560]  band, which is infrared and below. And of course, the backscatter, which is in the X-ray band,
[26:38.560 --> 26:45.200]  which is past the ultraviolet on the other side of the visible spectrum. Well, from the research
[26:45.200 --> 26:52.960]  that I have done on the millimeter wave, basically those waves are analogous to a microwave oven.
[26:52.960 --> 26:58.320]  And so now you get your choice. You can either get fried by the X-rays or you can get fried by the
[26:58.320 --> 27:04.400]  microwave oven either, you know, either or. I mean, the bottom line is these machines are very
[27:04.400 --> 27:09.840]  dangerous and this nonsense about, oh, well, it's a stick figure. So you don't have to worry about
[27:09.840 --> 27:16.480]  privacy. That is complete and utter just rubbish, I have to say, because what ends up happening is
[27:16.480 --> 27:23.360]  that there is the actual image of your naked body that is stored on the machine. And then it gets
[27:23.360 --> 27:31.920]  processed through a piece of software so that at least maybe one end user of the machine only sees
[27:31.920 --> 27:39.840]  a stick figure. But there are other users of the machine that can see the actual image of your
[27:39.840 --> 27:44.560]  naked body at any point in time. So it's just complete and utter nonsense to say that it protects
[27:44.560 --> 27:50.640]  your privacy. That's just crap. I'm sorry. Absolutely, Deborah. And I'm glad you pointed that out.
[27:50.640 --> 27:56.960]  And unfortunately, this has not been raised at all. We have had some objections to the scanners
[27:56.960 --> 28:02.560]  from the Australian Council of Civil Liberties. But I think the point you made is absolutely
[28:02.560 --> 28:08.400]  correct when they say that the stick figure version is a protection of privacy. That is
[28:08.400 --> 28:14.560]  really, I think, an outright lie because I think that when you look at what the machine really
[28:14.560 --> 28:19.760]  does, it does take a full image of your body. That's what it does. Consider it as like a camera.
[28:19.760 --> 28:26.960]  It basically is taking an image of your body in detail. Now, it renders a view of that to the
[28:26.960 --> 28:33.200]  monitor. That's all we're talking about is a view which is one view of that image which has some
[28:33.200 --> 28:38.320]  of that, most of that detail removed. But of course, the full image is still there. And it would be
[28:38.320 --> 28:43.520]  ridiculous to assume that that full image can never be accessed because it has to be there
[28:43.520 --> 28:48.240]  in order for the stick figure version to be generated. And of course, in the event that they
[28:48.240 --> 28:54.720]  did find something that was contraband or whatever on your body, they would of course have that as
[28:54.720 --> 28:59.920]  evidence. And I think this is really important to understand is that this is actually evidence that
[28:59.920 --> 29:04.880]  they're going to use against you if they find something. So the idea that there would never
[29:04.880 --> 29:11.600]  be an image stored is just utterly, I consider it to be a complete furphy. And it treats the general
[29:11.600 --> 29:18.080]  public with a degree of contempt, I believe. Right, absolutely. And for those of you who
[29:18.080 --> 29:25.520]  follow Infowars and Alex Jones, I'm sure you've seen the video which has been censored by YouTube
[29:25.520 --> 29:32.080]  right now, showing an engineer who basically shows that these machines are complete and total,
[29:32.080 --> 29:36.400]  they're just utter frauds. And I'm going to talk about that some more on the other side.
[29:37.040 --> 29:43.920]  You can get anything through these machines. And so it just goes to show that this is just all about
[29:43.920 --> 29:48.640]  conditioning. It's about the mental, emotional, psychological conditioning of the people to
[29:48.640 --> 29:54.080]  just be treated like animals. It has nothing to do with security. It's security theater,
[29:54.080 --> 29:58.400]  and it actually makes us less safe than the metal detectors. We'll be right back.
[30:00.400 --> 30:06.000]  A noble lie, Oklahoma City, 1995 will change forever the way you look at the true nature of
[30:06.000 --> 30:10.640]  terrorism. Based on the damage pattern to the building, but the government seems impossible.
[30:10.640 --> 30:16.400]  The grand jury did not want to hear anything I had to say. The decision was made not to pursue
[30:16.400 --> 30:22.880]  any more of those individuals. Some of these columns were ripped up, shredded, tossed around.
[30:22.880 --> 30:26.560]  The people that did the things they did knew doggone well what they were doing.
[30:26.560 --> 30:29.840]  Expose the cover up now at anoblelie.com.
[30:31.760 --> 30:36.160]  Is it stealing to download music from the internet? You might be surprised at the way
[30:36.160 --> 30:40.240]  college students answer that question. I'm Dr. Katherine Albrecht, and I'll be back in a
[30:40.240 --> 30:45.120]  moment with results of the new study that explores current attitudes about digital piracy.
[31:11.200 --> 31:18.720]  You've probably seen public service messages about digital piracy.
[31:18.720 --> 31:24.080]  One of the most famous ads likens illegally downloading digital content to stealing a car,
[31:24.080 --> 31:29.120]  but apparently those education efforts aren't working. A new study by the University of Nebraska
[31:29.120 --> 31:33.840]  found that students believe shoplifting a CD from a music store is wrong, but those same
[31:33.840 --> 31:39.600]  students view illegal digital downloads as far less serious. Researchers believe digital piracy
[31:39.600 --> 31:44.400]  is more acceptable because there's no physical danger and no visible victim. And since the
[31:44.400 --> 31:49.120]  practice is widespread on college campuses, there's a lot of social support. But as an
[31:49.120 --> 31:53.360]  author who's had my own work pirated, I can say it's pretty unpleasant from this end.
[31:54.080 --> 31:58.400]  I'm Dr. Katherine Albrecht. More news and information at KatherineAlbrecht.com.
[31:58.400 --> 32:12.640]  Okay, folks, we're back. We're very special guests.
[32:12.640 --> 32:21.120]  Hair word, Fenton from Sydney, Australia. He is our newest host. His show is on Wednesday nights at
[32:21.120 --> 32:29.120]  8 p.m. Truth News Radio Australia. And his topics are not just about things going on in Australia,
[32:29.120 --> 32:34.240]  but things going on worldwide, also things going on in the U.S. And when we went to break,
[32:34.240 --> 32:42.800]  we were talking about, we're about to talk about Jonathan Corbett, the engineer who posted the video
[32:42.800 --> 32:52.560]  how to get anything through the TSA nude body scanners. And this video, which has been posted
[32:52.560 --> 33:00.800]  many times now by many different people, is being consistently flagged for parental security.
[33:00.800 --> 33:05.840]  Okay, in other words, you have to verify you're 18 or older in order to watch it. And it absolutely
[33:05.840 --> 33:12.080]  has nothing that is lewd or lascivious at all. Even the images of the naked bodies,
[33:12.080 --> 33:17.520]  I mean, you can't really see anything. It's like he even tried to white out the private parts,
[33:17.520 --> 33:26.800]  etc. But the point of the video is his own experiment, what he did to get metal objects
[33:26.800 --> 33:33.120]  through these body scanners. And the whole idea here is that if you look at the images that these
[33:33.120 --> 33:39.600]  body scanners take, they basically, they film you from the front and the back. And the idea is that
[33:39.600 --> 33:47.360]  an object appears as a black object on your white body. It looks like, you know, it's a,
[33:47.360 --> 33:52.080]  the image of your body is white. And if there's any objects in your pockets or anything,
[33:52.080 --> 34:01.680]  then it appears black. Well, the problem is that the image is on a black background. So you've got
[34:01.680 --> 34:08.240]  the white body on a black background, and the objects that may be on your body are black.
[34:08.240 --> 34:16.560]  And so all you have to do is put something on your side and it won't show up because it'll be
[34:16.560 --> 34:21.120]  sticking out from your side and it would appear black. But since there's a black background,
[34:21.120 --> 34:25.840]  you can't see it. All right, well, this turns out to be more than just a hypothesis, more than just
[34:25.840 --> 34:32.560]  a theory. He actually did this. He got a metal object. It was some kind of a metal case, some
[34:32.560 --> 34:39.440]  kind of a metal case about the size of his fist. And he sewed an inside pocket in his shirt and
[34:39.440 --> 34:43.600]  right out of his waist. And he put, he shows it with his little iPhone camera or whatever
[34:43.600 --> 34:48.400]  smartphone he's got. He filmed himself going through security. He filmed himself putting the
[34:48.400 --> 34:53.360]  metal object in his pocket, in the, in the special pocket on the inside at his waist.
[34:53.360 --> 34:57.040]  And then he runs the, you know, he's got to put all those electronics and everything
[34:57.040 --> 35:02.640]  into the X-ray machine. And you see, you know, the camera's like all twirling around and everything
[35:02.640 --> 35:06.320]  as it's going through the machine. And then he picks it and then he walks right through.
[35:06.320 --> 35:11.200]  He goes through the naked body skater. He goes through. He gets the phone. He gets the camera
[35:11.200 --> 35:18.880]  and he opens his shirt. Boom. There's the metal object. Well, he did this several times at several
[35:18.880 --> 35:26.160]  different airports. And this is all in the video. And of course, there's an easy way for the TSA
[35:26.160 --> 35:31.920]  to solve this problem, which is, well, let's just take photographs of people from the front
[35:31.920 --> 35:35.680]  and from the side and from the other side or whatever. So I mean, they could easily solve
[35:35.680 --> 35:39.840]  the problem by frying people with radiation from multiple different angles. But I mean,
[35:39.840 --> 35:43.920]  they may have to do it at a 45 degree angle. I mean, they'd have to do like a whole 360 thing.
[35:43.920 --> 35:50.560]  But the point is they haven't done it up until this point and they're still not doing it.
[35:50.560 --> 35:54.320]  And the whole point is anybody could easily get on the plane with a gun
[35:54.320 --> 36:00.800]  by putting it on their hip. Okay. I mean, this makes us much less safe. I mean, and now that I
[36:00.800 --> 36:06.080]  find this out, I really don't want to get on a plane because for sure anybody could easily sneak
[36:06.080 --> 36:10.800]  a gun on a plane. I mean, this is just absolutely preposterous. So, Harold, what is your take on
[36:10.800 --> 36:18.400]  this? What is the TSA's response to this? Yeah, look, the TSA has responded, but they've responded
[36:18.400 --> 36:27.280]  in this kind of condescending, really almost jokey kind of way on their blog. And what they've
[36:27.280 --> 36:34.000]  actually said, I've just, by the way, I've posted this on and many other articles on the new site,
[36:34.000 --> 36:39.840]  wewillnotbescanned.org. And I do encourage your listeners to visit that site because I'm actually
[36:39.840 --> 36:45.360]  trying to maintain this as an archive of any news that's relevant to this subject. And if you've
[36:45.360 --> 36:51.120]  got news that you want to add to it, you can go to the site, just send me a message through the
[36:51.120 --> 36:56.640]  links on the site and we'll post it because I really wanted to have a central hub of information
[36:56.640 --> 37:01.680]  because it does get quite overwhelming and it's hard to find sometimes what you're looking for.
[37:01.680 --> 37:09.760]  Now, the article here on the TSA blog states that a video is making its way around the interwebs and
[37:09.760 --> 37:15.440]  they use this phrase interwebs, which is a condescending term basically to make it look like
[37:15.440 --> 37:23.360]  what people saying on blogs and forums is stupid, from a guy claiming that he figured out a way
[37:23.360 --> 37:30.080]  to beat our body scanners. And it says here, I watched the video and it is a crude attempt
[37:30.080 --> 37:37.680]  to allegedly show how to circumvent TSA screening procedures. Now, he calls it crude and he says
[37:37.680 --> 37:43.280]  allegedly, but then if you read the short article, there is absolutely no refutation
[37:43.280 --> 37:49.520]  of anything that Jonathan Corbett has said. So the article itself tacitly acknowledges
[37:49.520 --> 37:56.720]  that Jonathan Corbett is correct. But they kind of cover that by saying for security reasons,
[37:56.720 --> 38:03.760]  we can't discuss our technology's detection capability in detail. However, TSA conducts
[38:03.760 --> 38:08.960]  extensive testing of all screening technologies in the laboratory and at airports, blah, blah,
[38:08.960 --> 38:17.680]  blah. Anyway, just marketing promo, you know, crap basically. No fact there to actually say
[38:17.680 --> 38:23.040]  yes or no. Well, if this was totally wrong, I guarantee you they would have said that.
[38:23.680 --> 38:31.200]  Well, and here's the other thing. They try to twist this or paint it as this is a crude method
[38:31.200 --> 38:38.720]  of how to circumvent the detection machines. No, folks, this is not a method of how to circumvent
[38:38.720 --> 38:44.560]  the detection. This video proves that their machines are complete and total fraud, okay?
[38:44.560 --> 38:51.520]  It's utter fraud. It's not a way to circumvent or get around the security. It proves beyond
[38:51.520 --> 38:58.080]  a shadow of a doubt that it is no security. It's complete and total fraud. It's security theater.
[38:58.080 --> 39:02.160]  It's just all about psychological conditioning people and it doesn't make you safe at all.
[39:02.160 --> 39:06.400]  And in fact, it makes you less safe. It makes you completely vulnerable because anybody can get
[39:06.400 --> 39:12.000]  any metal object through. Period. I mean, it's ridiculous. Exactly. And, you know, the final
[39:12.000 --> 39:17.440]  insult here is that it's just this baby language. It's kind of talking down to the audience.
[39:17.440 --> 39:22.960]  It's one of the best tools available to detect metallic and non-metallic items such as, you know,
[39:22.960 --> 39:28.240]  things that go boom. So this is actually from the article on the TSA, things that go boom.
[39:28.240 --> 39:33.280]  We're all just little babies and they're just going to talk down to us in this silly condescending
[39:33.920 --> 39:43.920]  language. Is he saying this thing will detect plastic? Well, it can detect plastic.
[39:44.480 --> 39:48.560]  But see, one of the problems with this... No, it's plastic. Plastic explosive.
[39:48.560 --> 39:54.320]  It's not. It can detect plastic explosives. But see, one of the problems with these scanners
[39:54.320 --> 39:58.560]  is that on the one hand they have these flaws where they won't detect things. On the other hand,
[39:58.560 --> 40:03.760]  they're overly sensitive. Now, this is particularly a problem with the millimeter wave scanners,
[40:03.760 --> 40:11.120]  which will detect perspiration on your body and then, you know, flag that. It will actually
[40:11.120 --> 40:19.520]  falsely represent things on a large scale and it will also miss things. The machines are very
[40:19.520 --> 40:25.040]  ineffective in terms of what they do. But yes, they can detect things. They do have that ability,
[40:25.040 --> 40:31.920]  but they're not reliable. And I just would like to point out that the whole concept of airport
[40:31.920 --> 40:37.920]  security right from the beginning, right going back to the 70s when we first started seeing this,
[40:37.920 --> 40:45.040]  really was theatre. And as theatre, I think most people just accept that and don't really mind it
[40:45.040 --> 40:49.200]  too much. Yeah, a little bit of theatre as you go onto the plane. It makes the bad guys think
[40:49.200 --> 40:54.240]  twice about what they're doing. But we know you can't really stop terrorism because there are so
[40:54.240 --> 41:01.120]  many different ways that terrorists can actually carry out their attacks, especially if the terrorists
[41:01.120 --> 41:06.160]  are prepared to kill themselves in the process. Once you get a situation where you have suicide
[41:06.160 --> 41:13.440]  bombers, there is nothing you can do to stop terrorism because let's take the scenario where
[41:13.440 --> 41:19.920]  the terrorist turns up at the airport, joins the queue for the security. He gets flagged to go into
[41:19.920 --> 41:24.800]  the body scanner. He's now standing in a queue surrounded by hundreds of people. And those
[41:24.800 --> 41:29.920]  airports get absolutely packed out. I mean, I remember when I was going out of JSK last year,
[41:29.920 --> 41:33.680]  I was in this sea of people. There were like a thousand people standing all around me in
[41:33.680 --> 41:38.080]  close proximity. And I hadn't gone through any screening to get into the airport
[41:38.800 --> 41:43.680]  departure area. And there I was going through security. Now, if I had a bomb on at that point,
[41:43.680 --> 41:47.840]  well, I just detonate it right there, don't I? And then you're going to kill a thousand people
[41:47.840 --> 41:56.400]  easily by doing that. So the security screening theatre does not stop terrorism because it's never
[41:57.200 --> 42:01.120]  actually stopped a terrorist attack. And logically, if you think it's true,
[42:01.120 --> 42:08.240]  it doesn't work. It is a complete furphy. But as theatre, I think, as long as it's not too invasive,
[42:08.240 --> 42:13.440]  most people do accept it. Yeah, why bother trying to sneak a bomb on a plane? We can just blow up
[42:13.440 --> 42:21.280]  the airport. I mean, give me a break. And besides, John Corbett pointed out in his video, which was
[42:21.280 --> 42:26.720]  a piece of information I didn't even know, nobody has tried to sneak explosives on a commercial
[42:26.720 --> 42:33.760]  air liar in the United States since the 1940s. So just how much of a threat is this anyway?
[42:33.760 --> 42:38.640]  Give me a break. Yeah, I mean, it just fails on so many levels. Sorry.
[42:40.480 --> 42:43.920]  Nobody's done it except the US Marshals.
[42:47.840 --> 42:54.640]  Yeah, I'm sure they have. I just want to point out something about the radiation
[42:54.640 --> 42:59.760]  aspects you were talking about there before, Deborah. It's correct, as you were saying,
[42:59.760 --> 43:03.680]  that the millimetre wave scanner which they're planning to bring into Australia
[43:03.680 --> 43:13.600]  uses essentially microwave radiation spectrum. Now, there has not been much research about these
[43:13.600 --> 43:18.240]  particular types of machines. But of course, we know that microwave radiation can be very
[43:18.240 --> 43:23.360]  dangerous and it really depends on the level of it. In this case, we've got a machine which
[43:23.360 --> 43:31.360]  bathes your whole body in an array, which I believe it's at the lower end of the microwave spectrum.
[43:31.360 --> 43:38.320]  It's not as high as, for example, the transmission towers that take care of mobile networks.
[43:38.320 --> 43:43.680]  But it's within that range because mobile networks use the microwave spectrum as well,
[43:43.680 --> 43:50.480]  as well as I think wireless devices. But there is a very wide range of wireless
[43:50.480 --> 43:55.600]  devices. Okay, hold on one moment here. We've got to go to break. We'll be right back, folks.
[43:55.600 --> 43:56.640]  This is the rule of law.
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[47:22.560 --> 47:41.600]  Okay, folks, we are back. We're discussing the scanners watching the sparks fly and we are talking
[47:41.600 --> 47:48.160]  about these millimeter wave machines and the frequency range. They are radio frequencies.
[47:48.160 --> 47:56.560]  They're basically just under the infrared. It's right before it goes into infrared, right before
[47:56.560 --> 48:03.200]  it goes into the visible light spectrum. There's actually the microwaves and then the millimeter
[48:03.200 --> 48:09.680]  waves and then the terahertz. There are these different categories of waves of radio frequency
[48:09.680 --> 48:18.560]  rays, waves. Once you break it down for us, Howard. There really hasn't been a lot of research on
[48:18.560 --> 48:22.480]  this type of thing, especially the way they're actually doing it. This is not the same as using
[48:22.480 --> 48:29.120]  a mobile phone. Of course, there has been research that indicates that mobile phones are not safe.
[48:30.560 --> 48:34.800]  One of the arguments that is being used by governments and corporations
[48:34.800 --> 48:38.880]  selling this equipment is saying, well, this is no more dangerous than using a mobile phone. Of
[48:38.880 --> 48:45.280]  course, the safety issues of mobile phones are hotly contested. Again, this is not the same as a
[48:45.280 --> 48:50.240]  mobile phone. It's totally different waves being applied. Now, there has been some research into
[48:50.240 --> 48:55.600]  terahertz waves and there's a couple of articles there on my site on wewillnotbescan.org that
[48:55.600 --> 49:04.560]  explains that they've shown that these terahertz waves can actually unzip DNA. The results were
[49:04.560 --> 49:11.040]  not the result of a very intense study, but they were disturbing enough in themselves,
[49:11.040 --> 49:17.760]  because it shows that the DNA can be affected by these terahertz waves in quite a surprising way
[49:17.760 --> 49:25.120]  that it actually unzips. Obviously, more research needs to be done. I think the point here is it
[49:25.120 --> 49:31.760]  shouldn't be up to us to have to prove that these things are not safe. It's up to those who are
[49:31.760 --> 49:36.560]  enforcing these to prove that they are safe. If there is a lack of research, that's equivalent
[49:36.560 --> 49:40.800]  to saying it's not safe. If there's a lack of research, you can't then say, well, there's no
[49:40.800 --> 49:45.680]  research that indicates it's not safe. That's, again, that's a word game. This is a typical
[49:45.680 --> 49:51.200]  strategy that's being currently used to just confuse people. They say, well, our research
[49:51.200 --> 49:55.520]  doesn't show there's a problem. Okay, what do you really mean? You really mean you haven't done any
[49:55.520 --> 50:02.160]  research? And this is the problem that we're constantly up against. Now, when the TSA said
[50:02.160 --> 50:07.440]  that the backscatter was safe according to the research results that they had endorsed,
[50:07.440 --> 50:13.680]  it turned out that these universities like Johns Hopkins had done a study, but they were never
[50:13.680 --> 50:19.360]  given access to the machine itself. All they actually received in terms of information was
[50:19.360 --> 50:27.440]  like a data sheet from the TSA, a file with numbers in it, and the TSA said, here, this is
[50:27.440 --> 50:32.400]  what our machine puts out. Tell us if it's safe or not. Now, most people would think that if it was
[50:32.400 --> 50:36.640]  research and if a proper team had done the research, they would have been given a machine
[50:36.640 --> 50:42.000]  to test with. No, the TSA didn't provide that. Why not? You really got to wonder, why didn't
[50:42.000 --> 50:48.000]  they provide Johns Hopkins University with a machine to test with? Doesn't that indicate there
[50:48.000 --> 50:54.000]  might be some problems there that they don't want to come public? And again, should we be trusting
[50:54.000 --> 50:57.520]  it when they just say, well, here's the data, but you can't get access to the machine?
[50:58.400 --> 51:04.560]  Well, not only that, Johns Hopkins University ended up coming out public anyway and saying,
[51:04.560 --> 51:10.560]  no, the machines aren't safe. And then the TSA lies and on their PR page, they say,
[51:10.560 --> 51:15.200]  oh, Johns Hopkins said that it's safe. And that's a complete and total lie. Johns Hopkins never
[51:15.200 --> 51:19.520]  said it was safe. In fact, they said the opposite. They said it was not safe. So they just lie.
[51:21.040 --> 51:26.480]  Yeah. And you'll find that there'll be different sort of different spin put on it
[51:26.480 --> 51:31.440]  by whoever's being interviewed at a given time. And I think there was a couple of big articles
[51:31.440 --> 51:35.360]  that came up. One was in Scientific American. And I'm not sure if that is referring to the
[51:35.360 --> 51:41.040]  same study. But that article in Scientific American really did a lot of damage to our cause
[51:41.040 --> 51:45.680]  by saying that, you know, one of these studies had concluded that it's safe. And well, that's
[51:45.680 --> 51:50.080]  the one that was only given a data sheet and didn't have access to the machines at all.
[51:50.080 --> 51:55.840]  But there are so many different ways you can spin it. Of course, the point here is that
[51:57.440 --> 52:02.640]  there is a commercial objective here in selling the machines. We're being lied to about the facts.
[52:03.360 --> 52:08.240]  And it is such an invasion of people's basic dignity, people's basic civil liberties,
[52:08.240 --> 52:13.680]  that what I'm trying to do, because they're not in force here in Australia yet,
[52:13.680 --> 52:20.080]  I'm really trying to drum up some public interest to take this to the next level.
[52:20.080 --> 52:25.760]  And it's really hard, as I guess you guys know, to get people to that point of being motivated.
[52:25.760 --> 52:31.360]  But Australia is one of the last countries now to go under this system in the Western world.
[52:31.360 --> 52:35.680]  Of course, by the way, they're not using them in Asia. They're not using them in the Middle East.
[52:35.680 --> 52:39.360]  They're not using them in South America. And I guarantee they never will.
[52:39.360 --> 52:45.920]  But it is our Western pseudo-democracies going under this global totalitarian grid
[52:45.920 --> 52:50.400]  where these machines are being put into effect. And in countries where they have real threats
[52:50.400 --> 52:57.840]  of terrorism, like in China, like in the Middle East, like in the Arab Emirates, Dubai, no chance.
[52:58.480 --> 53:04.160]  And guess what? It's against Islamic law. I mean, it is, Islamic countries won't do it
[53:04.160 --> 53:10.720]  because they have more respect and dignity than do the Western pseudo-democracies.
[53:10.720 --> 53:18.240]  And I guess it's a really interesting point. Absolutely. So, you know, and then what they do
[53:18.240 --> 53:24.240]  is they say, oh, well, if you don't want to go through the machine, then you get to have this
[53:24.240 --> 53:30.800]  invasive enhanced pat-down, which amounts to nothing less than a sexual assault.
[53:30.800 --> 53:36.000]  And what I find striking about all of this is that, hmm, we didn't have to go through these
[53:36.000 --> 53:41.200]  so-called enhanced pat-down sexual assaults before they had these machines in place.
[53:41.200 --> 53:46.560]  And so it has nothing to do with security. This is all about intimidating people
[53:46.560 --> 53:50.160]  into going through the machines. Why do they want us to go through the machine so bad?
[53:50.160 --> 53:55.440]  And I have my own theories about this. I believe it can't be proven, but this is what I think.
[53:56.000 --> 53:59.040]  There's got to be a reason why they want us into the machine so bad.
[53:59.040 --> 54:03.760]  We know they're storing the data. I think it's because of biometrics. They're trying to capture
[54:03.760 --> 54:07.680]  everyone's biometric data. And so if you don't want to go through the machines,
[54:07.680 --> 54:12.880]  well, they're just going to make your life miserable enough so that you'll go through them anyway.
[54:12.880 --> 54:18.640]  Well, yeah, there's certainly a rush to collect as much information as possible on people.
[54:18.640 --> 54:24.720]  Now, unfortunately, in Australia, Deborah, the pat-down has been ruled out. We will not have
[54:24.720 --> 54:31.760]  the pat-down option at all. And this is what makes it really critical now that Australian people
[54:31.760 --> 54:38.800]  stand up and resist this. Because when these machines go into operation in our international
[54:38.800 --> 54:44.160]  airports initially, if you are selected for scanning and you don't get scanned,
[54:44.160 --> 54:51.760]  you will not be allowed on the plane. It's that simple. So it's really quite an extreme situation.
[54:51.760 --> 54:56.160]  And for me to actually start a new website on it, that's quite a big thing for me to do.
[54:56.160 --> 55:01.040]  I've got a lot of other things I'm doing and I don't normally have the time to do that.
[55:01.040 --> 55:06.560]  But I find that this particular issue is so critical and it goes to the heart of so many
[55:06.560 --> 55:11.840]  issues about the new world order and what is going on globally that it's something we really do
[55:11.840 --> 55:17.680]  have to focus on. And we have to try and educate those who don't understand its importance as to
[55:17.680 --> 55:22.720]  why it's important. You know, I went through some of those points there about the privacy issues,
[55:22.720 --> 55:28.160]  the civil liberty issues, the safety issues, the corruption issues, the efficacy issues.
[55:28.160 --> 55:34.640]  And of course, the ultimate icing on the cake is the use of false flag staged events which we
[55:34.640 --> 55:40.800]  have such strong evidence now to prove that they use that in order to simply justify bringing in
[55:40.800 --> 55:49.760]  the machines in the first place. And we have such a catalogue now of staged terror events
[55:50.480 --> 55:54.960]  that have been done and Australia is part of that. We've got a lot of things that have happened here,
[55:54.960 --> 55:59.840]  Deborah, which you probably don't know about. But we have a police organisation here called the
[55:59.840 --> 56:05.600]  Australian Federal Police and they have been doing very same type of thing that you see in the US
[56:05.600 --> 56:12.560]  where they basically coach and groom marginal, quite often psychotic people who are of Middle
[56:12.560 --> 56:19.440]  Eastern backgrounds in our community and they coach them into terrorist plots. And in one case,
[56:19.440 --> 56:25.680]  which is one of the major cases in Australian law, they arrested about five of them and the whole
[56:25.680 --> 56:31.760]  case was built on mobile phone calls between a federal police officer and one of these so-called
[56:31.760 --> 56:37.520]  conspirators. And it turned out that this guy was mentally ill. He was on major anti-psychotics.
[56:37.520 --> 56:43.040]  He was a delusional and had never taken any steps towards making a bomb. But he and his cohorts
[56:44.080 --> 56:48.640]  prosecuted to the full length of the law. They used control orders. They used all of the
[56:48.640 --> 56:54.560]  anti-terror legislation that was passed here similar to the Patriot Act in the first few years
[56:54.560 --> 57:02.400]  after 9-11. And so this is well documented that these types of techniques are used to
[57:02.400 --> 57:09.520]  drum up the fear of terrorism and, of course, to justify new procedures and legislations.
[57:09.520 --> 57:13.440]  And, of course, this body scanner is exactly that type of thing.
[57:13.440 --> 57:20.560]  Well, absolutely. And as Jesse Trinadu says in a mobile live documentary on Oklahoma City
[57:20.560 --> 57:26.800]  bombing, Jesse Trinadu says from his research in Elohim City, whenever you have four people
[57:26.800 --> 57:30.320]  sitting around talking about overthrowing the government, three of them are working for the
[57:30.320 --> 57:36.880]  government. And the other one is some crazy psychopath that's drugged out of his mind
[57:36.880 --> 57:41.360]  on psychotropic that have been fed to him by the other three that work for the government.
[57:41.360 --> 57:49.680]  So give me a break. Exactly. So, you know, look, we understand it. You understand it.
[57:49.680 --> 57:57.120]  I know many of your listeners understand it. The challenge is to reach out and reawaken
[57:57.120 --> 58:03.680]  this rebellion against the scanners, because I know you had it over there in 2010. And I'm really
[58:03.680 --> 58:08.240]  wondering what happened, because you had this big movement. You had this We Won't Fly group,
[58:08.240 --> 58:12.880]  and it was really taking off. And actually, when I was over there, I noticed all the body
[58:12.880 --> 58:16.960]  scanners were switched off, and I think they switched them off for about two or three months
[58:16.960 --> 58:21.600]  because of this protest movement. And then they just quietly switched the scanners on again.
[58:21.600 --> 58:25.200]  And now all the news I'm getting from the U.S. is that everyone's just going through and
[58:25.200 --> 58:29.760]  there's no complaint. I mean, there's complaints, blog posts and stuff, but there's things like
[58:29.760 --> 58:36.320]  that movement has just died out. Absolutely. Well, listen, we're at the top of the hour.
[58:36.880 --> 58:40.320]  You had a few other things you wanted to go over tonight. Harrowood, do you want to stay
[58:40.320 --> 58:45.040]  with us for another segment or so? Well, look, if you want to get me on for one more segment,
[58:45.040 --> 58:48.960]  I'm fine with that. It's great talking to you. I'll come on for one more. That's okay.
[58:48.960 --> 58:52.800]  Okay, just one more segment, because we're wanting to have you on for about an hour.
[58:52.800 --> 58:58.800]  And then after that, we'll have open phone lines. So, folks, 512-646-1984.
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[01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:10.240]  A Ugandan gay rights group Wednesday sued US Christian evangelical leader Scott Lively
[01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:14.560]  for conspiring to persecute people on the basis of their sexual identity.
[01:00:14.560 --> 01:00:19.600]  In February, one of Lively's associates in Uganda, parliamentarian David Bahati,
[01:00:19.600 --> 01:00:24.640]  reintroduced the so-called kill the gays bill he'd first introduced in 2009.
[01:00:24.640 --> 01:00:30.400]  US evangelical missionaries have been widely condemned for fermenting anti-gay sentiment in Uganda.
[01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.200]  Republican Congressman Cliff Stearns told constituents last month, quote,
[01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:41.920]  we need to sell off some of our national parks. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney
[01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:47.440]  has said he doesn't know what the purpose is of public lands. The national park service says
[01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:55.600]  in 2010 America's parks created $31 billion in economic benefits and 258,000 jobs as well as
[01:00:55.600 --> 01:01:03.200]  providing recreation and access to nature for everyone. In an effort to project a greener image,
[01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:09.760]  the US Navy plans to use a 50-50 mix of biofuel and regular jet fuel in its drones, ships,
[01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.440]  and supersonic aircraft. The US military generates nearly a ton of toxic pollution a minute,
[01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.080]  500,000 tons annually, more than the five leading chemical companies combined.
[01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:28.080]  Leaders of the nation's largest labor federation Wednesday unanimously backed Barack Obama for
[01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:33.360]  reelection, claiming he, quote, had moved aggressively to protect workers' rights, pay, and
[01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:38.800]  health and safety. The endorsement nearly six months before the Democratic National Convention
[01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:45.040]  contradicts AFL-CIO president Richard Trump's declaration last May of labor's independence
[01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:52.080]  from the party. South Carolina AFL-CIO president Donna DeWitt, who opposed endorsing Obama, said,
[01:01:52.080 --> 01:01:57.600]  quote, anybody who negotiates a contract knows that you start off with an ultimate idea of what
[01:01:57.600 --> 01:02:03.040]  you want and you don't stop negotiating till the very end. I don't know why they are doing this so
[01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:08.240]  early, adding, I don't think they know how to negotiate anymore. The Building and Construction
[01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:13.920]  Trace Department of the AFL-CIO is boycotting the Democratic Convention because it's being held in
[01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:20.000]  largely non-union facilities located in North Carolina, one of the most poorly unionized states
[01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:26.880]  in the country. A former Colombian paramilitary testified Tuesday before a US court that US
[01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:34.080]  coal giant Drummond Ltd. paid paramilitaries $1.5 million to murder union leaders in Colombia.
[01:02:34.080 --> 01:02:39.280]  Alcides Matos Tabares admitted he took part in murdering employees ordered by Drummond.
[01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.280]  Tabares said from 2002 until his 2005 capture he patrolled Drummond's railway lines,
[01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:50.480]  where he participated in killings, sometimes directed by Drummond employees. Tabares was
[01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:55.760]  testifying during the first hearing in a civil lawsuit in which more than 600 alleged victims
[01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.040]  and relatives are filing a class action suit against Drummond.
[01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:45.120]  Okay folks, we are back. This is the rule of law.
[01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:51.200]  Ruleoflawradio.com is the site where you can donate to Eddie's legal fund. We got to get
[01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:57.920]  him going with this appeal. He is definitely in a position to take this case into the federal courts.
[01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:03.760]  We've got one more segment with my good friend, special guest, Harold Fenton, and we've been
[01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:10.000]  tirading about the scanner issues. And you also wanted to talk about some other stuff that's
[01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:17.840]  going on regarding the carbon tax. Yeah, well, coincidentally, July is the big month this year
[01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:22.160]  in Australia. We've got the body scanners coming in. We've also got the carbon tax,
[01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:29.440]  which was passed into legislation late last year, going into effect in July of 2012.
[01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:36.880]  Now, there's been a long saga over the Australian carbon tax, and I might just give you a quick
[01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:45.760]  recap on the history of that. Now, we currently, our government in Australia is the Labor Party,
[01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:50.400]  which traditionally would be considered a left-wing-type party. It has sort of
[01:05:51.120 --> 01:05:58.800]  similarities to the Democrats in the US. It is a party which tends to encourage more government,
[01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:05.680]  more taxes, as opposed to the Liberal Party, which is a more conservative end of the spectrum.
[01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:13.120]  But of course, as we have seen, the two major parties in the two-party dictatorships
[01:06:13.120 --> 01:06:19.840]  of our modern Western system don't really vary much. Their rhetoric is a little different.
[01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:27.920]  And of course, you will find that the rhetoric of the right-wing conservative so-called free market
[01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:35.600]  parties is against taxation or wants to lower taxation, wants to give more independence and
[01:06:35.600 --> 01:06:40.640]  freedom to people and to businesses. And of course, the rhetoric of the left has always been,
[01:06:40.640 --> 01:06:44.320]  you know, we've got to sacrifice for the greater good. We've got to have more taxation
[01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:50.400]  because then there's a safety net that protects everyone. And what you really find in practice
[01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.400]  is that it's always about the same. Do you find that, Deborah, that it's always about the same,
[01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:58.400]  like between the rhetoric of the right and left, what you end up with just always seems to be about
[01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:05.200]  the same kind of dysfunctional mess? Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's the two sides of the same coin.
[01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:10.240]  They're both working for the international bankers, the banksters, I call them. And it's just
[01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:15.840]  totally ridiculous. They're all complete and total frauds, every single one of them.
[01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.360]  The only one that's any different, the only one that's real at all is Ron Paul.
[01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:29.440]  Absolutely, yeah. Now, so in Australia, the first introduction of a carbon trading scheme,
[01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:35.440]  as it was initially called, was through the policy of the Labor government that came into power
[01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:44.000]  in about 2007. Previous to that, our Liberal Party government was a, well, they were actually,
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.640]  this is where it gets really complicated, because the Liberals also, and I also explain,
[01:07:48.640 --> 01:07:52.560]  in Australia, liberal, it does not mean the same thing as in the US. In Australia,
[01:07:52.560 --> 01:07:59.280]  the Liberal Party is the Conservative Party. Okay, that's confusing. So the previous Liberal
[01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:08.080]  government, led by John Howard, actually implemented many of the Kyoto Protocol Agenda 21 provisions.
[01:08:08.720 --> 01:08:15.440]  Many of them went into law under that government. And that includes things like reclaiming land,
[01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:21.440]  declaring certain land as a carbon sink. And farmers have actually been told under these
[01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:27.280]  provisions that they're not allowed to grow crops or do farming on their own land because it's now
[01:08:27.280 --> 01:08:32.480]  a carbon sink as designated under the Kyoto Protocol. Now, of course, that was all continuing
[01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:40.480]  right through the so-called free market right-wing government of John Howard. Then when Kevin Rudd
[01:08:40.480 --> 01:08:46.320]  was elected as Prime Minister in 2007, he announced that we were going to have an emissions trading
[01:08:46.320 --> 01:08:53.280]  scheme. And this was to be a cap and trade system similar to what they brought in in Europe,
[01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:59.680]  where there was going to be a price on carbon. And this was policy and it was extremely controversial
[01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:04.400]  right from the beginning. There were many people against it. And as they started to move closer
[01:09:04.400 --> 01:09:09.920]  to the policy implementation stage, the Prime Minister at that time, he started slipping in
[01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:15.680]  the polls dramatically. I mean, he actually really went from being quite popular to being
[01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:22.400]  really low, almost record level lows in the polls. And a large part of this was the public reaction
[01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:27.280]  to the emissions trading scheme because it's well known that this will actually affect
[01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:31.360]  everyone in the economy. It doesn't just punish the polluters, it punishes everyone,
[01:09:31.360 --> 01:09:37.760]  it taxes everyone at the lowest level. Now, at the point where Kevin Rudd had really dropped
[01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:44.400]  to a low point in the polls, there was this sudden leadership spill. And Kevin Rudd was thrown out
[01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:48.720]  of the leadership of the country. He was the sitting acting Prime Minister. He was thrown out
[01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:55.440]  and he was replaced with our current Prime Minister, Julia Gillard. And the emissions trading scheme
[01:09:55.440 --> 01:10:01.680]  which had been on the books up to that point was completely shelved. And I should also point out
[01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:08.800]  that at the same time as that happened, we had the opposition party led by Malcolm Turnbull,
[01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:13.520]  who was actually a supporter of the emissions trading scheme. He also got thrown out as the
[01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.800]  leader of the opposition. Now, what was really going on is that almost the entire population of
[01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:24.880]  Australia was against this emissions trading scheme. The right wing, the left wing, it was
[01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:30.640]  really across the board. And the opposition was replaced with a new leader who was dead
[01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:35.120]  against the carbon tax and dead against the emissions trading scheme. And the government was
[01:10:35.120 --> 01:10:42.720]  replaced with a new leader who said famously in a quote, she said, there will be no carbon tax
[01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:48.080]  under a government I lead. And she said that one month before she went into the election.
[01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:55.280]  And many people say that because she said that, that is why she won the election. Because people
[01:10:55.280 --> 01:11:00.400]  were suspicious of the government. People didn't want this tax. The opposition was saying they're
[01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:06.160]  not going to can it. And she then said, well, we're going to can it too. There will be no carbon
[01:11:06.160 --> 01:11:11.760]  tax under a government I lead. Then within literally two weeks of her winning the election,
[01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:17.200]  she completely reversed that policy. She completely broke the promise,
[01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:23.360]  completely reneged on her campaign commitment and said actually there will be a carbon tax.
[01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:28.480]  In fact, they now were calling it outright a carbon tax. Up to that point, they were calling
[01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:32.000]  it an emissions trading scheme. They then said, well, actually it's not an emissions trading
[01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:39.200]  scheme, it's a carbon tax. And that's better because an emissions trading scheme could be
[01:11:39.200 --> 01:11:44.800]  fiddled and could be used by big companies for their own benefit. This will be an across the
[01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:49.760]  board carbon tax, which will be much more fair. Therefore, it's okay. Now, of course, there was
[01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:56.800]  uproar again. The radio talk shows were going crazy with it. The polling has gone crazy. And
[01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:02.080]  ever since then, Julia Gillard just keeps getting worse and worse in the polls. It's just unbelievable.
[01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:09.360]  She is down now to like 30% approval and she's been down at 27 for a while, but she hovers
[01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:17.200]  around 30%. She's probably the most unpopular leader we've ever had. So unfortunately though,
[01:12:17.200 --> 01:12:22.960]  however, the government was able to pass the legislation through even though they only had a
[01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:28.640]  knife edge majority with that last election that it could easily have gone the other way.
[01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:34.400]  But they were able to form government because of two seats that were held by the Greens. And the
[01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:40.400]  Greens have now become a very powerful third party in Australia, up to 15, 20% of the vote
[01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:45.280]  in some parts of Australia. And because the government did a deal with the Greens,
[01:12:45.280 --> 01:12:50.160]  they were able to actually govern. They had enough seats in Parliament to govern. But the
[01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:56.160]  deal they did with the Greens locked them in to the carbon tax. And it was passed through both
[01:12:56.160 --> 01:13:04.080]  houses of Parliament in December last year. And now it is due to go into effect in July 2012.
[01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:07.520]  Sorry for that massive tirade. Is there anything you want to ask me about it?
[01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:16.000]  No, but I mean, it just, it just sounds like the same, same old, same old here, there and yonder
[01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:21.680]  of these politicians promising things. And then when they get into office, it just doesn't happen.
[01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:25.440]  You just can't trust any of them.
[01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:33.680]  Is there any form of initiative in referendum in Australia?
[01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:41.760]  Ah, now there have been discussion of a type of referendum on the issue of the carbon tax
[01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:48.480]  itself. Now this was raised by the leader of the opposition, Tony Abbott. What he actually
[01:13:48.480 --> 01:13:55.040]  asked for and he asked for it in Parliament because this can only be done by an act of
[01:13:55.040 --> 01:14:01.840]  Parliament. A referendum has only been done, I think, twice in the history of the Australian
[01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:08.080]  government. It was done once, I think, over the death penalty because we did revoke the death
[01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:14.400]  penalty in Australia in the mid-1960s. That was done by a referendum. And I think there was
[01:14:14.400 --> 01:14:21.200]  another referendum that was done over giving the vote to Indigenous people in Australia. Again,
[01:14:21.200 --> 01:14:25.920]  both of those actually happened in the 60s. But it's a very rare event and, of course,
[01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:31.280]  the government, who still has the majority in the House, blocked it. So no referendum, sorry.
[01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:40.800]  Okay, well it would seem that if there was a lot of push for referendum, it's not that you
[01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:50.800]  actually get it, but the threat of it is often much worse than in reality. What is the likelihood of
[01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:58.640]  a new government if there's enough backlash against the sitting politicians? The likelihood
[01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:06.400]  of a new government would revoke the carbon tax. The opposition has made a central plank
[01:15:06.400 --> 01:15:14.640]  of their policy to repeal the tax. So even if the tax does come in, which I probably will,
[01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:21.280]  because it's only about three months away now. So if the tax comes into law and then there's
[01:15:21.280 --> 01:15:27.120]  an election and then, let's say, the government loses the election, then the opposition is pledged
[01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:34.080]  as a central plank of their policy that they will repeal the tax. However, that is a statement
[01:15:34.080 --> 01:15:39.440]  that we've heard from the leader of the opposition, the current leader of the opposition, Tony Abbott.
[01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:46.640]  There are other people within the Liberal Party who are pro-carbon tax, or as they call it,
[01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:51.600]  a price on carbon. And they use different words to sugarcoat it and to make it seem
[01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:55.920]  more palatable. But I've heard a number of people within the Liberal Party state that
[01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:00.880]  it is inevitable that we will have a price on carbon sooner or later. And those people are
[01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:07.520]  waiting in the wings to take over the leadership of the party if Tony Abbott has a fall from grace.
[01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:13.760]  And it's very easy for leaders to be kicked out. We've had so many scandals. So many issues can
[01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:19.280]  basically cause a leader to just be thrown out almost overnight that relying on Tony Abbott
[01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:25.440]  still being there in a year or two's time is not a great thing to actually pin our hopes on.
[01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:31.920]  But there is a possibility in the short term that if one of the sitting members is forced to stand
[01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:37.600]  down, that they could actually have a no confidence vote and that they could force a new election.
[01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:42.160]  Yeah, I like that. No confidence. Yeah, I like that no confidence vote. I wish we had that here.
[01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:48.000]  Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us tonight here. I would really appreciate it.
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:52.160]  It's been great. It's been great. Thanks a lot. And folks, make sure you check out here which
[01:16:52.160 --> 01:16:57.200]  show this coming Wednesday night. Truth News Radio Australia at 8 p.m. Central Time. We'll be right
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[01:19:52.880 --> 01:20:14.880]  Okay, folks, we are back. This is the Rule of Law.
[01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:20.880]  Yes, I am going to be speaking to a very sobering subject.
[01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:30.880]  And because I've given up on my beer fund, okay, I'm going to ask everybody to put on their thinking caps.
[01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:38.880]  I'm going to give you a riddle and see if I can get some input on how to sort this out.
[01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:48.880]  I have been reading the securities manual for Ginny May. Ginny May is the governmental agency
[01:20:48.880 --> 01:21:02.880]  that backs the securities pools. Now, I think everyone knows by now about the mortgage-backed securities.
[01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:10.880]  Loans on consumer properties being converted into a security instrument.
[01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:20.880]  There's been a lot of stuff all over the web, and you hear a lot of talk about these lenders selling the security into a pool,
[01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:26.880]  and we want to find out where this pool is and where the note is and all this stuff.
[01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:38.880]  Well, I started meeting the requirements for how this is all done, and what I found in there surprised me.
[01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:46.880]  All of this stuff about finding the pool that your loan is in.
[01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:58.880]  Well, the way this works is that the lender will register with Ginny May as an issuer,
[01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:04.880]  and as an issuer, the lender will issue the security.
[01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.880]  He doesn't sell it to somebody else who converts it to a security. He's the guy who does it.
[01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:23.880]  Each lender will have a number of pools set up because each pool can only handle notes with the same interest rates.
[01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:30.880]  So if a lender is doing different interest rates, every one of those has to go in a different pool.
[01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:35.880]  The lender will set up a number of pools. Some of them only have two or three notes in it,
[01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:46.880]  and you can find those notes, those pools, by going to the Securities Exchange Commission's database computer.
[01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:55.880]  It's called Edgar, and just do a search on the lender's name, company name.
[01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:04.880]  And the pools will be in the lender's name with a four-digit and a two-digit number after it.
[01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:11.880]  The four-digit number is the year, the two-digit number is the month.
[01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:22.880]  So the pools are only open for 90 days. They open, they can put notes in them for 90 days, and they have to close the pool.
[01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:26.880]  But I don't know why that is, but that's what the rule is called for.
[01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:40.880]  So if you do a search, you do a search for 120 days around the time you wrote the note so that you catch a full three months in both directions.
[01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:56.880]  Anyway, that will find you the pools that you're noticing. Once you find a pool with your date and month on it, then you can go to that pool and search for information on your particular note.
[01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:09.880]  So that's how to find it. The lender creates the pool, and when he creates the pool, he must employ a document custodian.
[01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:19.880]  Now, there are companies out here that do that. Someone recently said, if you want any records from Merge, you have to go to San Antonio.
[01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:29.880]  And they said, can that be the truth? And he said, absolutely it can, because Merge probably has a document custodian in San Antonio who handles all their business.
[01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:40.880]  Well, the document custodian will be a company that only does that, and they will be the custodian for a number of lenders, for a great number of pools.
[01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:56.880]  The lender, when he writes the note, must submit all the documentation, and specifically the original security instrument to the document custodian.
[01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:16.880]  Then the document custodian will essentially underwrite by examining the documentation, and then the document custodian must certify to Ginny May that the loan meets Ginny May's requirements.
[01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:28.880]  Then the document custodian is required to maintain those documents for the full term of the loan.
[01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:41.880]  Question. When you go to court and you ask the lender to produce the note, they're not producing the note.
[01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:47.880]  What is wrong with this picture?
[01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:59.880]  I'm beginning to think that most of the crapola we're reading on the web about the lending crisis is misguided.
[01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:14.880]  It's not working the way they're saying it's working. The lenders puts all these notes into a pool, and then these pools are combined into a pass-through PSA, a trust.
[01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:33.880]  So the pools themselves are relatively small. It's the conglomeration of pools that gets large, and then they sell tranches or slices, percentages of the pass-through to different investors.
[01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:42.880]  Well, when we go in and ask for that original security instrument, what is the problem?
[01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:50.880]  Now we've heard this story about MERS when a company registered their loan with MERS.
[01:26:50.880 --> 01:27:01.880]  They gave MERS all the documentation. MERS scanned them into their system and then shredded the originals. That's the story.
[01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:12.880]  But when I go back and look at Ginny Mae's requirements, so wait a minute, they can't do that. MERS can't have these documents.
[01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:26.880]  If this document is in a pool backed by Ginny Mae, which most of them almost certainly are going to be, the document custodian must have those documents.
[01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:35.880]  So what the heck is going on here? And this, thus my conundrum.
[01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:51.880]  Why would the lender not go through the custodian, the records custodian, and request that the records custodian make the original security instrument available for inspection?
[01:27:51.880 --> 01:28:00.880]  The original security instrument that he must, as a matter of law, have in his constructive possession.
[01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:12.880]  Let's say constructive because he may have farmed it out to somebody else, but he will have control over it, so therefore it's in his possession and he could produce it.
[01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.880]  So why doesn't he? What the heck is going on here?
[01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:24.880]  All the stuff about MERS destroying him? I think there's a bunch of hooey.
[01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:31.880]  There's another reason the lender doesn't want to produce this note.
[01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:35.880]  And frankly, I don't know what it is yet.
[01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:45.880]  But being an engineer by nature, I presume that everything has purpose.
[01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.880]  And I certainly couldn't presume that these guys are just stupid.
[01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:57.880]  We're making some kind of horrendous mistake that would be nonsense. Of course, that's not what's going on.
[01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:02.880]  These guys have a motivation.
[01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:06.880]  If you have a clue, give us a call.
[01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:11.880]  512-646-1984. I'd like to hear some opinions on this.
[01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.880]  What is going on?
[01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:18.880]  Now, I think I may have a clue.
[01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:33.880]  I kind of think I understand or at least have put together a scenario that would explain why the lender doesn't want to go to the document custodian.
[01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:42.880]  But I would like to hear your opinions and I will go to that when I come back and I'd like to get your opinion on it.
[01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:46.880]  If anybody has any insight, I would certainly like to hear it.
[01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.880]  This is Randy Calving, David Stevens, David Craig.
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[01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:42.880]  I jumped in on poor old Pat a little quick there.
[01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.880]  There's another issue.
[01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:50.880]  This robo-signing issue.
[01:32:50.880 --> 01:33:04.880]  In light of the requirements of Ginny May, in light of what the lender is required to do in order to issue a security,
[01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:12.880]  and specifically that he's required to give all of the documentation to a document custodian,
[01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:21.880]  why would the lender then have to recreate these documents?
[01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:26.880]  Because the document custodian would have to have them.
[01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:39.880]  So, either the lender's lying to the court when they tell the court they can't get the original document,
[01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:46.880]  or they lied to the SEC when they securitized the note,
[01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:56.880]  telling them that they had met the requirements of Ginny May by giving all of these documents to the document custodian.
[01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:02.880]  And I have an idea of what may be going on here.
[01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:17.880]  We've heard of, everybody's heard about the derivatives issue, and all of that went to an unregulated insurance scheme.
[01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:33.880]  And while I haven't been able to find hard data to support this presumption of what we think is going on, there is a lot of evidence pointing in that direction.
[01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:50.880]  And what it points at is that the lender secured a note that he did not intend to be paid back, that he gave the borrower a rather large amount of money
[01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.880]  and never intended that that money be paid back.
[01:34:54.880 --> 01:35:07.880]  And the reason being is once he secured a signature on the note, then he would sell that security entity,
[01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:18.880]  securitize the note and sell it to an investor, 403% of the original principal.
[01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:33.880]  And he would also give the investor the private market insurance policy that was written on the property to protect the holder of the note in case of default
[01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:39.880]  and would pay or repay 85% of the original principal.
[01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:55.880]  So then once he got that done, he would go on the derivatives market and write another insurance policy and go to another investor and sell it to the other investor
[01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:58.880]  and give him the insurance policy.
[01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:07.880]  Well, that's the metaphor used to describe what was going on, that the seller leaves over and over.
[01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:21.880]  And that's the reason he doesn't want you to pay the note back because if you pay the whole note back, then he's got to pay all these people off and he loses his big pool of money.
[01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:35.880]  If you default, then each of the lenders collects 85% of the principal from the insurance companies and he gets to walk away keeping the whole pool.
[01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:56.880]  As I'm looking at this, it may have been easier than it appeared because what if the lender has simply taken the note and stuck it in several different pools?
[01:36:56.880 --> 01:37:07.880]  All he'd have to do is change the interest on the note and stick it in another pool, needing more interest or less interest.
[01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:10.880]  And he could adjust more or less.
[01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:24.880]  He'd sell one with more interest, one with less interest and the two balance each other out because he's going to have to match all the payments the lender makes until the defaults.
[01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:29.880]  So he could stick it into a number of pools.
[01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:43.880]  And then what would happen if he went to the document custodian and asked the document custodian to produce the original security instrument for this particular property?
[01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:45.880]  Oops.
[01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:50.880]  Good chance the custodian's going to come up with a number of them.
[01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:56.880]  And the custodian is a separate company from the lender.
[01:37:56.880 --> 01:38:06.880]  So if he comes up with a number of them, the fact that they're there would jeopardize his position.
[01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:14.880]  That would explain why they're not producing the notes when according to the law they have to be there.
[01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:21.880]  The document custodian has all of these or the lender's going to get securities for it.
[01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:30.880]  So if he does have these, then the lender's lying to the judge or to the court when he refuses to produce them.
[01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.880]  That's my story, that's my theory.
[01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:36.880]  It's my opinion of what's going on.
[01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.880]  I'm hoping I can get some input.
[01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:47.880]  And we have Tim from Illinois that I'm hoping is going to shed us some light on this situation.
[01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:49.880]  Hello, Tim.
[01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:51.880]  Hey, how are you doing?
[01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:52.880]  I am doing good.
[01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:55.880]  Are you ready to stump this jump?
[01:38:55.880 --> 01:39:03.880]  Well, I wish I had actual information, but I've got, you know, I've been doing some research just like you.
[01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:17.880]  And I have read that when they securitize the mortgage that they've got to destroy the note.
[01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:18.880]  Whoa.
[01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.880]  Now, that's what I've read.
[01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:23.880]  Where did you read that?
[01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:30.880]  Yeah, you know, I've read so damn much, I can't even come up with it at the moment.
[01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:34.880]  But just something that you, you know, I'm just throwing this in.
[01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:40.880]  I do not have, you know, 100% guarantees on anything at this moment.
[01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:52.880]  That I would like to find because it is so incongruous, the uniform commercial code which all of the states have adopted.
[01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:59.880]  And it made minor adjustments too, but I've never seen an adjustment to 3-5.01.
[01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:16.880]  And 3-5.01 says that when the creditor, the lender, makes the presentment of the debtor, presentment meaning a demand for payment.
[01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:30.880]  If the debtor demands production of the original security instrument, the creditor must make the instrument available for inspection by the debtor.
[01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.880]  Now, that is very clear in law.
[01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:44.880]  It has been very clearly addressed by the legislature and the legislative intent is hard to misconstrue.
[01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:51.880]  All of us older people, we remember mortgage burning parties.
[01:40:51.880 --> 01:41:04.880]  When someone paid off their mortgage, they'd have a big party and get all together and burn their mortgage because the bank gave it back to them.
[01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:10.880]  Just like when I write a check, you know, now they've got it so that they give me a photocopy of it.
[01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:22.880]  But once it's endorsed and given to the bank, you know, until we had all these electronic media, I would get that very check back in my hand.
[01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:27.880]  So that I could demonstrate that this thing has been endorsed, it has been canceled.
[01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:30.880]  Nobody else can show up with this check.
[01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:33.880]  Somebody may make an exact duplicate.
[01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:41.880]  And if they come to me with their exact duplicate, I've got the original and they've got that to overcome.
[01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:47.880]  Well, in a real estate note, the same thing.
[01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:52.880]  The note is what makes the claim.
[01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.880]  And once it's paid off, that's supposed to be given back to you.
[01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:58.880]  That is your property.
[01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:03.880]  But they can't produce it because it doesn't exist anymore.
[01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:12.880]  This is what, like I said, I've read that they can't, they can't have this debt instrument.
[01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:18.880]  They can't have this debt instrument as a security.
[01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:23.880]  Also, once they do it.
[01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:28.880]  Okay, the note is not a security.
[01:42:28.880 --> 01:42:30.880]  It never is.
[01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:36.880]  The lender will create a security based on the note.
[01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:39.880]  The note is the evidence of the security.
[01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:44.880]  It's the evidence and support of the security.
[01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:46.880]  Okay.
[01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:54.880]  They almost have to have that thing. Their law is just too well established.
[01:42:54.880 --> 01:43:04.880]  Well, I think you're hitting the nail on the head with the fact that something fraudulent's happening there.
[01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:16.880]  If they do have the note, then you're probably correct that they have sold it more than once, which is total fraud.
[01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:26.880]  If they go to that document custodian and ask him for it, that's going to open a Pandora's box for them.
[01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:36.880]  Right. They're losing, they're losing houses from well pleaded cases, but they just hope that they don't have any well pleaded cases.
[01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:44.880]  Yeah, that's, and they can consider the ones that they lose acceptable losses.
[01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:59.880]  Okay. Hold on. We're going to go to break. This is Randy Kelton.
[01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:03.880]  Hey, did you hear Ron Paul has announced he's running for president in 2012?
[01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:04.880]  It is Ron Paul.
[01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:10.880]  Really? Okay. Put down the cell phone for one minute. Your friends really don't care about your Twitter updates on what you had for breakfast.
[01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:13.880]  Oh, but I love to make those little smiley faces with punctuation marks.
[01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:20.880]  Of course you do. Now, listen closely. You need to go down to Brave New Books and learn as much as you can about Ron Paul and his message before it's too late.
[01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:28.880]  They have all of his books and many of the books he talks about. They also have t-shirts, bumper stickers, and yard signs so that you can show your support for him during the campaign.
[01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:31.880]  Brave New Books? Did they have Harry Potter and Twilight?
[01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:37.880]  No, but they do carry a large selection of survival and preparedness books to protect your family in time of emergency.
[01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:39.880]  Oh, that sounds like that show on the Discovery Channel.
[01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:47.880]  Yeah, there's even a wilderness survival expert that teaches classes called Earthskill School that you can sign up for on the website BraveNewBookstore.com. What are you doing?
[01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:53.880]  I'm tweeting all my friends that they should go to BraveNewBookstore.com or down to the bookstore in person. Where's it located?
[01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:55.880]  1904 Guadalupe Street.
[01:44:55.880 --> 01:44:58.880]  There, it's sent. I even made a smiley face.
[01:44:58.880 --> 01:44:59.880]  Great.
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[01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:29.880]  Okay, we're back. We're talking to Tim, and I don't know why.
[01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:52.880]  Tim, there's something else that came across in studying this stuff, and what it was is that the lender is allowed to endorse the security instrument in blank.
[01:46:52.880 --> 01:47:11.880]  So I've got to thinking about that. What is wrong with that picture? The lender endorses the security instrument in blank, so it doesn't go into any one particular's name.
[01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:25.880]  It's just kind of sitting there. There's nobody actually out there who can say, my name's on this note, that I am the holder of the note.
[01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:45.880]  And then they put it into this pool, and the pool sells it back and forth all over the place, and then when the contract reaches its climax, or if it forecloses or the person refinances or something,
[01:47:45.880 --> 01:48:01.880]  then they'll endorse the note. And all of those who had beneficial interest in the note in the interim were not registered with the county registrar's office.
[01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:25.880]  And that particular scenario opens the door for massive fraud, and the law is very well settled, and it has been for a couple hundred years, that the lien document, the mortgage or the deed of trust, whatever it's called in Massachusetts,
[01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:38.880]  it's called a mortgage, in Texas it's called the deed of trust. The mortgage or deed of trust, the lien document, follows the note, not the other way around.
[01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:56.880]  An assignment of the lien document without an assignment of the note is a nullity. The courts presume that the lien will follow the note, so when the lender comes to foreclose, the court presumes he has the note,
[01:48:56.880 --> 01:49:13.880]  because they presume the two move together. Well, we know now that with the securitization process that didn't happen, that the lender, the originator of the note, deliberately bifurcated the two.
[01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:30.880]  He assigned the lien document to a servicer. In some cases the lender would remain as the servicer, in which case the lien document would remain in his possession.
[01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:54.880]  And he would have the appearance of being able to express that meme problem. He securitized the note, he created security, put that security into a pool and then sold that pool into a PSA.
[01:49:54.880 --> 01:50:06.880]  When he sold that into the PSA, he received consideration. Now, some people talk about there is no money, well, it doesn't matter.
[01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:29.880]  This is about offer and acceptance. The lender made an offer to the PSA and the PSA granted him consideration and he accepted that consideration, doesn't matter if it was hairballs. If he accepted it, he's been paid, he received the benefit of the bargain.
[01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:39.880]  Now, he cannot be harmed. So, even if the note is in his name, he can't express it.
[01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:51.880]  I'm sorry, even if the lien document, the deed of trust or mortgage is written in his name to protect him, he can't express it because he can't be harmed.
[01:50:51.880 --> 01:51:02.880]  And the person holding the note, well, there's a lien document out there, but it's not written in their name. It hasn't been assigned to them.
[01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:21.880]  Now, if it was assigned to them, and they could express a sign to them, they would have to file a record of that change of ownership in the county registrar's office. But they're not doing that.
[01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:44.880]  They're assigning even the trust document in blank. So, then they can subsequently appoint substitute trustees or services, all they want to, and they're all kind of covered under that blank endorsement.
[01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:57.880]  When they get to the end, if they're going to go into foreclosure, then they will appoint, the original will appoint a substitute trustee.
[01:51:57.880 --> 01:52:05.880]  Because it was never actually transferred out of his name when it was, but it wasn't transferred into anyone else's name.
[01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:15.880]  And a lot of times we find that the original lender has gone out of business. And we've talked about that before about how that's planned.
[01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:29.880]  So, all of this looks like it's set up for the purpose of running this scam of selling the note a number of times.
[01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:41.880]  Well, that's my story. I'm sticking to it. Okay, go back to Tim. What is your opinion on that? Have you done any research on that issue?
[01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:43.880]  Oh.
[01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:45.880]  The stages? I've been...
[01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:51.880]  I'm sorry, start over. Somebody muted you. I don't know how that happened.
[01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:53.880]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:52:53.880 --> 01:53:06.880]  That sounds like it's a very good possibility. I mean, we know that they can't come in there with the documents because it would just show fraud.
[01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:17.880]  Period. Whatever, whether you're right, I'm right, no one else is right, it doesn't matter. We know it's going to show fraud.
[01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:28.880]  Well, if the lender could come in holding a note assigned to him and a lien document assigned to him...
[01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:38.880]  As long as the lien document stayed with the note the whole time, and I believe that's got to be...
[01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:46.880]  Once that note is transferred, I believe that lien has got to be transferred within 30 days in the county.
[01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:59.880]  No, there's something in the real estate settlement procedures act that says that if a lien is assigned to a party,
[01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:15.880]  and that party does not intend to hold the lien for more than 60 days, then they don't have a requirement to register as a holder of the document.
[01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:24.880]  And see, they've kind of used that. That's how they get it in unsigned, but they've only got 60 days.
[01:54:24.880 --> 01:54:37.880]  After the 60th day, that's required to be filed in the court record, whoever is the holder, unless they change the hands, they reassign it every 60 days.
[01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:45.880]  But then they would have to come up with a record of those assignments. What I'm...
[01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:55.880]  One of the things I'm kind of looking at in all of this is we're going to a quiet time action.
[01:54:55.880 --> 01:55:00.880]  Okay, it is... I didn't realize how late it was. I was having too much fun.
[01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:14.880]  It's 9.54, and I will pick up this issue again tomorrow. I would like to, Tim, if you will, if you don't have any questions that I haven't addressed,
[01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:17.880]  I'd like to go to Lewis before we run out of time.
[01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:19.880]  Absolutely, thanks.
[01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:21.880]  Okay, call back tomorrow night.
[01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:23.880]  All right, goodbye.
[01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:25.880]  Okay, goodbye.
[01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:28.880]  Okay, Lewis in Texas.
[01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:34.880]  Good evening. I hope that he's awake over there. I have a question about the certificate's title.
[01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:36.880]  I am.
[01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:50.880]  I am about ready to purchase a pickup truck, and I was wondering, do I need to interact with the taxing authority to transfer the title,
[01:55:50.880 --> 01:56:00.880]  or do I just go ahead and create some kind of an affidavit for the seller to indicate that he sold the truck to me,
[01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:06.880]  and then include my own affidavit when I send all that stuff to the Secretary of State?
[01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:11.880]  All you need is a notarized bill of sale and a signed copy of the certificate.
[01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:23.880]  However, if you take this on, then you need to be aware it is not so simple and cut and dry as you just take it off the rolls
[01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:27.880]  and they're going to leave you alone.
[01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:33.880]  No, I agree with that. It's a learning process for wherever you are going to be.
[01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:41.880]  Well, this learning process could cost you a truck and a lot of money if you aren't careful and don't know what you're doing with the fight.
[01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:50.880]  I'm not trying to tell you not to do it, but folks, I'm telling you, taking this fight on is not to be taken on lightly.
[01:56:50.880 --> 01:57:00.880]  It is a very large risk as far as loss of property, time and money, and possibly even sitting in jail is concerned.
[01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:07.880]  None of what they're doing is right, but that doesn't mean you're not going to have to fight them to prove it.
[01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:10.880]  So keep that in mind on whatever it is you're thinking of doing.
[01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:13.880]  Right, I understand that. So let me ask you this.
[01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:17.880]  I donated some money to you through the paint pal on the donate button.
[01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:24.880]  I was wondering because it's not showing up on the chip in whether or not you guys got those.
[01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:29.880]  I'm pretty sure it probably cleared the account. Deborah could answer that.
[01:57:29.880 --> 01:57:34.880]  The chip in thing is not accurately reflecting what's actually gone through it for some reason.
[01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:36.880]  We're trying to figure out why that is.
[01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:40.880]  That's just a standard with the chip in. It just takes a while to update.
[01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:43.880]  It's not necessarily going to update immediately.
[01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.880]  I didn't go through the chip in. I went through the donate button.
[01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:55.880]  Okay, then it's definitely not going to show up on the chip in because that chip in widget goes through the chip in website.
[01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:57.880]  Yeah, he just wants to make sure we got it.
[01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:02.880]  I didn't ask about the chip in. I just said that. I think I did that before I found the chip in.
[01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:07.880]  I was in there and I wanted to make sure there's something.
[01:58:07.880 --> 01:58:11.880]  Okay, well can you send me an email please and then I'll verify for you, okay?
[01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:15.880]  Yeah, just tell her how much you donated and we'll check it for you.
[01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:17.880]  I'm probably one of the major contributors.
[01:58:17.880 --> 01:58:24.880]  Okay, please send me an email. You need to send me an email and tell me who you are so that I can verify it for you, okay?
[01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:25.880]  Okay, thank you.
[01:58:25.880 --> 01:58:30.880]  All right, thank you.
[01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:36.880]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Debussy, and J.D. Craig with L'Oridio.
[01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:40.880]  We're about to close out our show. We thank you all for listening.
[01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:51.880]  We'll be back tomorrow night with our Friday night info marathon and I'll try to propose some more interesting conundrums.
[01:58:51.880 --> 01:59:00.880]  Maybe we can get it all worked out. Thank you for listening and good night.
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