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[00:00.000 --> 00:09.920]  Five people were killed and dozens injured Thursday in Sulaimaniya, Iraqi Kurdistan's
[00:09.920 --> 00:14.680]  second largest city, as protesters attacked the headquarters of one of the two ruling
[00:14.680 --> 00:20.440]  Kurdish parties. The violence broke out following a rally organized to express solidarity with
[00:20.440 --> 00:26.400]  protesters in Egypt and Tunisia and to protest corruption and the poor state of public services
[00:26.400 --> 00:34.360]  in the autonomous Kurdish region. 101 physicians, nurses and physical therapists were charged
[00:34.360 --> 00:41.960]  Thursday with Medicare fraud for falsely billing the program more than $225 million. The healthcare
[00:41.960 --> 00:46.600]  providers were accused of submitting Medicare claims for treatments that were medically
[00:46.600 --> 00:53.200]  unnecessary or not even provided. In Ohio, thousands of public workers descended on the
[00:53.200 --> 00:58.080]  state house Thursday protesting a bill that would restrict collective bargaining rights.
[00:58.080 --> 01:03.160]  The Ohio protests mirror those taking place in Wisconsin, where a similar measure has
[01:03.160 --> 01:09.720]  been proposed. In Yemen, police shot and killed three people Thursday as tens of thousands
[01:09.720 --> 01:15.920]  took to the streets of Aden, calling for an end to President Ali Abdullah Saleh's 32
[01:15.920 --> 01:21.080]  years of rule. Three more demonstrators were killed in Taiz Friday, including one from
[01:21.080 --> 01:26.760]  a hand grenade. In the capital Sanaa, pro-government forces Thursday attacked student activists
[01:26.760 --> 01:31.840]  with daggers. On Friday, riot police failed to stop thousands marching towards the presidential
[01:31.840 --> 01:37.000]  palace chanting anti-government slogans. Demonstrators' grievances included poverty
[01:37.000 --> 01:42.240]  and government corruption. Saleh, who has accused protesters of being anarchists, has
[01:42.240 --> 01:48.840]  promised not to seek reelection in 2013 or to position his son as a successor. But demonstrators,
[01:48.840 --> 01:54.320]  mindful of Saleh's history of broken promises, have vowed to keep packing the streets until
[01:54.320 --> 02:02.280]  he steps down. In Libya, 24 people were killed and scores injured Thursday in a violent crackdown
[02:02.280 --> 02:08.080]  on demonstrations during Libya's Day of Anger against strongman Moammar Gaddafi, the regime
[02:08.080 --> 02:13.280]  of Gaddafi who has been in power since 1969 with its own pro-government rallies in the
[02:13.280 --> 02:19.200]  capital Tripoli and other cities. Human rights solidarity, said rooftop snipers in al-Bida
[02:19.200 --> 02:25.560]  killed 13 protesters. Despite the crackdown, resistance continues to build as the opposition
[02:25.560 --> 02:31.080]  mobilizes via Facebook and cell phone messages, emulating protest movements that have already
[02:31.080 --> 02:37.160]  brought down the regimes in Egypt and Tunisia. Lawyers demonstrated in Benghazi demanding
[02:37.160 --> 02:43.520]  a constitution. Demonstrators in Zentan set fires to the police station, the city's court,
[02:43.520 --> 02:47.720]  the posts of the internal security forces and the People's Guard and offices of the
[02:47.720 --> 03:11.400]  Revolutionary Committees, which form the backbone of the Gaddafi autocracy.
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[06:15.000 --> 06:28.520]  What are you going to do when we come for you
[06:28.520 --> 06:58.480]  Tonight we have a very special guest for y'all very good friend of mine gentleman named Harman Taylor he was an attorney he's no longer an attorney he's gotten out of the system so to speak and he was an attorney representing family members and survivors of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing in a litigation that he calls the Terre Haute litigation where they filed suit to try to get a stay for a
[06:58.480 --> 07:28.040]  of execution of Timothy McVeigh to preserve evidence for many reasons not only because of knowledge that Timothy McVeigh had but also potential evidence in his body there was a suspicion that he was under some type of mind control possibly from RFID chips or other mechanisms so we're going to discuss this Terre Haute litigation and Harman thank you very much and welcome to the show
[07:28.040 --> 07:30.440]  Thank you it's a pleasure to be here
[07:30.440 --> 07:52.200]  So Harman just start off telling us a little bit about the background that you have of the research in the Oklahoma City bombing and how did you get into this litigation did these people come to you or did you seek them out I mean how were you motivated and driven to get into this case to begin with
[07:52.200 --> 08:20.640]  The case started from the trial side what happened at the trial level shook me to the core on the legal analysis side article 3 section 2 article 4 section 2 and the 6th amendment all teach us the same thing there's one state that has jurisdiction of the crime so what happens in the murder building bombing cases
[08:20.640 --> 08:42.880]  But they're exported across the state line so that was very upsetting from the beginning wasn't a whole lot of opportunity to participate at the trial first direct opportunity to participate was an amicus brief in the 10th circuit on direct appeal and amicus briefs appellate matters at the federal appellate court aren't really that significant
[08:42.880 --> 09:05.760]  It turns out there were at least 5 others to my understanding there were at least 6 briefs asserting essentially the same position there's a problem with the transfer there's no authority in it you can't take a criminal case and export it across the state lines so of course it goes up through the appeal convictions confirmed
[09:05.760 --> 09:23.600]  Goes to the Supremes the Supremes don't change anything and so he's on death row where is that terror out in the end they built the facility there and he's sitting there sitting there comes up for execution and some things had happened in the in between
[09:23.600 --> 09:37.360]  I had started a website legalreality.com to address certain issues and at the time I started that I was still a constitutionist so I was asserting the constitutional position and why these things can't happen
[09:37.360 --> 09:56.480]  The website was where I posted my letter to the president saying if there's ever going to be a review of these constitutional issues you're going to have to allow it so that we can run the appeal through the court through the courts
[09:56.480 --> 10:15.360]  And in that exchange of information out on the website there were people directly related to the murder building bombing incident who read the letter and they got in touch with me and communications got around and a couple of the survivors
[10:15.360 --> 10:30.480]  Jane Graham who was on the ninth floor and BZ Lawton who was on the eighth floor agreed basically to be spokespersons for the entire group of survivors to go to try to do what we did which was preserve evidence
[10:30.480 --> 10:44.960]  Key in the evidence thing here of course is the destruction of the building what's the best evidence of what happened in the Kennedy assassination his body what's the best evidence of what happened in this bombing case the building
[10:44.960 --> 11:03.280]  So what happens the building comes down and there's just too much destruction of evidence going on so we've got one more piece of evidence to get the information that McVeigh has there is some theory about whether he had something actually in his body
[11:03.280 --> 11:24.160]  And whether or not that was the case there's only one way to find out and that's to preserve the evidence how do you preserve the evidence of someone on death row you stop the execution how do you stop an execution you go to the mainstay of an issue that can be raised anytime subject matter jurisdiction
[11:24.160 --> 11:43.520]  So it happens that we had brilliant subject matter jurisdiction challenges to what was going on in the Murrah building bombing what are those article three section two article four section two sixth amendment there's one state that has jurisdiction of the crime
[11:43.520 --> 12:07.360]  Okay what state is that Oklahoma one of these cases being tried not only in a federal court homicides of state law matter we can go through article one section eight through all the enumerated subject matters that are there and realize very plainly that there's a whole lot of items subjects for legislation that are not delegated to that system
[12:07.360 --> 12:14.960]  Yeah and Harman wasn't even also the case that this federal building wasn't even technically on federal land
[12:14.960 --> 12:33.360]  Yes now that's another issue that we raised in a couple of different ways where are we going there what we're distinguishing here is the difference between the article and enumerated subjects and the clause 17 area about what's referred to as exclusive legislative authority
[12:33.360 --> 12:49.520]  There's the judicial there's the legislative power to create law of the United States that's what normally comes to mind in article one enumerated subject matter and then there's another role that the congress is supposed to have designed to have
[12:49.520 --> 13:10.880]  And that's the role of the cause I state legislative role by which they are the legislative body for land and items related to land owned by that governmental system for example district of Columbia so that's that's one land area
[13:10.880 --> 13:34.480]  So let's let's take that path real quick we we have a homicide case normally that state law and in homicide matters instrumentality is completely irrelevant it doesn't matter whether it was paint thinner or a big pen or a shotgun instrumentality doesn't matter except now all of a sudden it matters
[13:34.480 --> 13:48.880]  If you're if you successfully murder somebody with an airplane or a bomb that's no longer a state homicide matter that's federal homicide matter so that was that's the cover story for it
[13:48.880 --> 14:12.720]  The the reason that the land comes into play is this article three jurisdiction the normal area where everyone thinks to go to look for jurisdiction gives authority to an article three judge to preside over matters that arise under the constitution
[14:12.720 --> 14:35.440]  Under the laws of the united states or under the treaties now let's go back to part two laws of the united states how are those made those are made under the subject matters subject items in article one the enumerated subject matters are the ones in which that body called congress
[14:35.440 --> 14:51.280]  Theoretically we get to this the rest of the story in a minute but just presume a constitution for now article one enumerated powers are the areas in which the congress has the authority to make what law of the united states
[14:51.280 --> 15:02.560]  What does article three address what does an article three judge jurisdiction over a case that involves law of the united states okay
[15:02.560 --> 15:24.320]  Outside of that congress does have the authority to legislate matters but that's law of the district that's the exclusive legislative authority so where we don't have the law of the united states at issue why because it's not a law of the united states doesn't go to homicide
[15:24.320 --> 15:46.720]  It doesn't get us there so there would be the appearance of federal authority if everything was on that land and then we could come in under the state legislation through congress law of the district if it were on that land if it were federal land if it were united states government land
[15:46.720 --> 16:01.520]  Okay so we check in and find out there's never been a title transfer of the property and there was never an act by the state legislature and in this case it would be oklahoma legislature to cede title to united states
[16:01.520 --> 16:04.400]  And Harman they also have to cede jurisdiction too
[16:04.400 --> 16:12.240]  And that's what happens when they consent to the title transfer they're consenting loss of their authority over that property
[16:12.240 --> 16:12.560]  Right
[16:12.560 --> 16:15.360]  It's exactly right and neither one of those happen
[16:15.360 --> 16:22.160]  Because in the state of texas that document that ceding document actually even has to be signed by the governor
[16:22.160 --> 16:22.560]  Okay
[16:22.560 --> 16:40.000]  And this was what happened with the burks from air force base technically even if the federal government owned the land which even in that case it didn't but say like the federal government buys land for a post office it still doesn't necessarily mean they have jurisdiction over it
[16:40.000 --> 16:49.360]  It's not enough for them to just own the land that the governor has to cede jurisdiction to it too and so that didn't happen in this murrah building case either
[16:49.360 --> 16:50.240]  Correct
[16:50.240 --> 17:11.600]  All right we're going to break and we will be right back with our very special guest Harman Taylor
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[19:19.280 --> 19:44.080]  Okay folks we are back
[19:44.080 --> 19:56.400]  We see justice that is the goal that is the key here on the rule of law radio show ruleoflawradio.com
[19:56.400 --> 20:03.760]  Speaking with a very good friend harman taylor talking about the tarot litigation okay so harman please continue
[20:03.760 --> 20:10.720]  The fundamental objective of the tarot litigation is to stop the execution in order to preserve evidence and the question is
[20:10.720 --> 20:15.760]  Did the trial court in colorado ever have subject matter jurisdiction to try these cases
[20:15.760 --> 20:22.080]  Yeah that whole thing seemed ridiculous to me it should have been in the state court this has never gone to federal court in the first place
[20:22.080 --> 20:25.760]  It should have been in the state court it never should have gone to federal court and it should have stayed in oklahoma
[20:25.760 --> 20:34.880]  Yes if we had a constitution and if any of those concepts and limitations mattered it should never have been transferred at all
[20:34.880 --> 20:42.640]  It should have been the the community victimized by this should have been respected enough to seat the jury
[20:42.640 --> 20:50.800]  And we know the real reason why they moved it is because everyone in oklahoma city knew that there was multiple bombs that went off that day
[20:50.800 --> 21:02.320]  That's exactly right part of the plan here part of the litigation plan was to demonize mcveigh and thereby justify this this ungodly transfer
[21:02.320 --> 21:10.800]  And it's not ungodly it's very self-consistent with the system it's just the system has nothing to do with the constitution
[21:10.800 --> 21:20.720]  So here we are talking about whether there's even a case how do they get it there and the land itself was never seated it's not federal lands
[21:20.720 --> 21:30.160]  All of this happened on state land no question so we've got a state homicide on state land being tried in federal court
[21:30.160 --> 21:40.560]  In in another state in another state this is ridiculous how does how does it so in the in trial court we assert our position
[21:40.560 --> 21:50.400]  The trial judge very diplomatically says effectively i don't see it try again so submitted another brief and in that we change gears a little bit
[21:50.400 --> 21:56.400]  He's giving a very nice hint you're you're not giving me a case that i can help you with
[21:56.400 --> 22:04.160]  So we changed strategy a little bit same time around and said okay if there's no way to stop the execution
[22:04.160 --> 22:13.520]  At least let us take his deposition that's called perpetuation of testimony and it's a process
[22:13.520 --> 22:20.800]  We cited one rule the seventh circuit of appeal cited three our rule and two more so
[22:20.800 --> 22:27.120]  There's a the seventh circuit understood exactly what we're talking about when we go up to the appeal and
[22:27.120 --> 22:34.880]  That's part of the thing that gives the padding on the two by four sorry
[22:34.880 --> 22:40.640]  But at any rate the the fundamental question was was there a jurisdiction
[22:40.640 --> 22:49.440]  We threw article one at them saying this is not homicide we distinguished law of the united states from law of the district
[22:49.440 --> 22:59.200]  And law of the district is not the basis for jurisdiction in the article three judges court
[22:59.200 --> 23:05.520]  None of it worked none of it worked the trial court dismissed the case
[23:05.520 --> 23:12.000]  And the debate was do we even appeal this when it first came out when the trial decision first came out
[23:12.000 --> 23:17.280]  The decision was okay there's not really a whole lot left to appeal a lot of communications happen
[23:17.280 --> 23:22.480]  It was a very busy weekend no need to get into all those details but i was on the road at the time
[23:23.040 --> 23:30.480]  The phone call came with an authority that has very good authority in the area of constitutional law
[23:31.360 --> 23:36.560]  And the end of that conversation was this you have about 10 minutes to file your notice of appeal
[23:37.920 --> 23:45.440]  It's raining i'm on my way from dallas to houston on the road and so how do you get
[23:45.440 --> 23:53.120]  information to the appellate court you get creative stopped off at a truck stop that's very modern
[23:53.120 --> 23:58.080]  They had a fax machine i wrote out the notice of appeal by hand remembering everything from the
[23:58.080 --> 24:03.040]  case in the case style wrote it out by hand faxed it from the truck stop to the appellate court
[24:03.040 --> 24:08.960]  Called them to make sure they got it and they're very nice and the basic thought at the time was
[24:08.960 --> 24:15.120]  What took you so long? The lady the person i talked with said we've been waiting on this all day
[24:15.920 --> 24:25.200]  So anyway we got it we got the appeal filed and it was that weekend that the appellate court wrote
[24:25.200 --> 24:30.400]  The ruling they didn't waste any time on it at all they got on it immediately and all of this
[24:30.400 --> 24:36.000]  Information the documents the arguments that we filed at trial and the appellate ruling are
[24:36.000 --> 24:45.040]  are found online the website there is Ken and Joan Vardens which they they do all kinds of stuff to
[24:45.760 --> 24:58.800]  to defend and support america and apfn.org www.apfn.org forward slash apfn forward slash okc
[24:58.800 --> 25:05.840]  and then the underscore character cover up okc underscore cover up dot htm is the website you
[25:05.840 --> 25:12.240]  search that page for taylor you'll go directly to the top of the set of pdf links that are
[25:12.240 --> 25:16.880]  essentially the record and not all of it there's some other things that that aren't there but the
[25:16.880 --> 25:23.520]  essence of the case is there and it really helps to understand the appellate ruling by understanding
[25:23.520 --> 25:28.960]  what was argued at trial the appellate ruling is not that long the appellate ruling starts off agreeing
[25:28.960 --> 25:34.960]  with us because standing was a huge issue would the survivors of the bombing the actual people who
[25:34.960 --> 25:40.800]  were there and are victims of attempted murder because they didn't die do they have standing
[25:40.800 --> 25:47.520]  to assert the challenge at all and the seventh circuit said yes they agreed with us a critical
[25:47.520 --> 25:53.120]  issue who do we get to advance this and the answer is the victims should be able to do this and they
[25:53.120 --> 25:58.400]  did and they agreed with us and the other thing they agreed with us on is the perpetuation of
[25:58.400 --> 26:05.840]  testimony side as i mentioned we mentioned one rule in our in our brief and the seventh circuit
[26:05.840 --> 26:12.080]  mentioned two more they understood exactly what we are doing they agreed with us and that's where
[26:12.080 --> 26:18.560]  the padding is the rest of the padded two by four in other words the two by four is next and to
[26:18.560 --> 26:26.160]  summarize that two by four part they characterized as purely constitutional position this way four
[26:26.160 --> 26:35.760]  four different ways they categorize this frivolous without merit of no authority and ludicrous we
[26:35.760 --> 26:45.680]  argued the constitution frivolous without merit of no authority and ludicrous they cured me at
[26:45.680 --> 26:51.120]  that instant when the time i got to the parenthetical that said of no authority there's the third item
[26:51.120 --> 26:56.400]  in there by the time i got to that the information went in instantly like the instant absorption
[26:56.400 --> 27:03.200]  hand creams or or novocaine it went in instantly and i understood what they were teaching me they
[27:03.200 --> 27:09.920]  took the time to teach and they did it immediately the perfect approach because they agreed with us
[27:09.920 --> 27:15.920]  on two critical points and then basically communicated fasten your seat belt this is going to be a bumpy
[27:15.920 --> 27:22.320]  ride and then they just they just trashed the case frivolous without merit of no authority and
[27:22.320 --> 27:28.480]  ludicrous and what do we argue the constitution and so they went beyond the issues this is the
[27:28.480 --> 27:31.920]  best thing about it they went beyond the issues they answer the question the question is how
[27:31.920 --> 27:37.360]  they will they do this and the answer is it doesn't have a thing to do the constitution
[27:37.360 --> 27:42.160]  the lesson here cured me forever of arguing the constitution or thinking the constitution was
[27:42.160 --> 27:48.800]  relevant ever again did they say in did they further explain their themselves or did you
[27:48.800 --> 27:54.240]  like file up for findings of fact and conclusion at law no all of this is in reflection just
[27:54.240 --> 27:59.360]  reading their ruling they they they're really i don't remember four pages three pages wasn't
[27:59.360 --> 28:07.760]  four pages three pages wasn't that long wasn't that long and they very clearly documented that
[28:07.760 --> 28:13.920]  they didn't like what we were arguing all we argued was constitution and frankly we argued it
[28:13.920 --> 28:21.760]  brilliantly if the constitution had mattered if the constitution were relevant then we would have
[28:21.760 --> 28:27.040]  popped mcveigh out of jail so fast it had to be spinning to this day well did they say what was
[28:27.040 --> 28:33.040]  relevant did we say something about uh they were saying all of this was in proper compliance with
[28:33.040 --> 28:40.560]  statute they did their jurisdiction is article uh 18 title 18 section 7 special territorial
[28:40.560 --> 28:46.800]  maritime jurisdiction maritime jurisdiction yeah let's go with it section 7 special maritime
[28:46.800 --> 28:53.120]  territorial jurisdiction they said under title 18 section 7 maritime jurisdiction we've got the
[28:53.120 --> 28:58.400]  authority well that kind of just says it all right there doesn't it it explained everything to me
[28:59.120 --> 29:05.120]  it took two months for me to recover from the shock of this it took did they say why they were
[29:05.120 --> 29:10.720]  claiming this was maritime jurisdiction nope they didn't get into it they didn't explain it they
[29:10.720 --> 29:17.360]  just said it's ludicrous to challenge jurisdiction go look at uh the title 18 section 7 and then they
[29:17.360 --> 29:23.760]  you know they explained it it wasn't it wasn't uh a sledgehammer it was a padded two by four but
[29:23.760 --> 29:30.560]  they swung true and the the lesson for me and i don't at the time i don't know is anyone else
[29:30.560 --> 29:36.080]  in a position to hear it but the lesson to me was you need to start arguing that stuff you need to
[29:36.080 --> 29:42.240]  get into the reality because we're under maritime yep that's what they said all right you heard it
[29:42.240 --> 29:49.120]  right here on first folks on rule of law with mr harman taylor we will be right back with more
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[32:05.040 --> 32:09.120]  yeah i got a warrant and i'm gonna solve them
[32:11.040 --> 32:16.160]  to the government them prosecute them okay
[32:16.160 --> 32:20.960]  all right
[32:31.440 --> 32:36.960]  well i need a prosecutor to come and help me prosecute them wicked leader yeah you see
[32:36.960 --> 32:53.120]  okay folks we're back very good friend harman taylor talking about this terra haute litigation
[32:53.120 --> 32:59.360]  terra haute being the the place in indiana where the federal prison was where tothy mcveigh was
[32:59.360 --> 33:05.200]  being held on death row and you know that that was another issue i mean we we got three states
[33:05.200 --> 33:11.600]  going on here oklahoma then colorado and then they put them in indiana okay and there's a
[33:11.600 --> 33:17.360]  direct connection between oklahoma and indiana would you like to know what it is sure the facility
[33:17.360 --> 33:26.080]  in which mcveigh was housed is on land transferred in title to the united states government but guess
[33:26.080 --> 33:33.360]  what you have to have two pieces it wasn't seated correct legislature of state of indiana never
[33:33.360 --> 33:41.360]  transferred title solve that's state land too and how does how does that factor into this it factors
[33:41.360 --> 33:47.920]  into it on who you give notice of the suit to if they're doing a non-profit thing in this prison
[33:49.120 --> 33:53.200]  then the state attorney general has to be involved in the case because if you don't give notice to
[33:53.200 --> 33:57.920]  the right parties state attorney general can show up later and say well you never gave us notice
[33:57.920 --> 34:03.920]  so even if we had prevailed on something and we don't cover all these kinds of bases we can get
[34:03.920 --> 34:09.120]  kicked in the head in the end anyway but we did cover the base going in and explained to judge
[34:09.120 --> 34:14.560]  right there look we've got the problem in oklahoma that's state land because they didn't do both of
[34:14.560 --> 34:20.080]  these things didn't do either of them in oklahoma and you've got one of them and that was an
[34:20.080 --> 34:26.400]  interesting vignette in this whole case getting the documents that prove the title of transfer
[34:26.400 --> 34:32.560]  was basically a godsend i've tried to get in touch with that person several times since and they've
[34:32.560 --> 34:42.000]  moved and in that same line of uh assistance from friends that sometimes we just never meet
[34:42.000 --> 34:48.480]  though we talk with them on the phone or by email there was a huge contribution of research through
[34:48.480 --> 34:57.520]  a very well staffed library in indiana and you can you can probably figure out which one
[34:57.520 --> 35:01.840]  but it doesn't matter which one the point is someone who understood exactly what the issue
[35:01.840 --> 35:08.480]  was spent a lot of time looking through the legislative materials a lot of time conclusion
[35:09.440 --> 35:17.200]  no no legislation by state of indiana regarding that property so we have what we needed and you
[35:17.200 --> 35:21.840]  know these two contributions coming in from time to time from from friends we'll probably never
[35:21.840 --> 35:28.000]  meet any other way and it just made it made the entire case line up correctly we're just banging
[35:28.000 --> 35:33.680]  on all eight cylinders anyway that's just another interesting vignette on the case but that facility
[35:33.680 --> 35:38.880]  wasn't any more transferred over into title of the united states government completely
[35:38.880 --> 35:43.200]  i mean they had the deed for it i can show you the deed i've got a copy of it they'd never had
[35:43.200 --> 35:49.440]  legislation so anyway that's another interesting connection here and it's it's why the case is
[35:49.440 --> 35:52.960]  dialed the way it is and it's why the people who are served the way they are because you have to
[35:52.960 --> 35:57.600]  cover all those bases but we don't know if it's for profit or not for profit system they're running
[35:57.600 --> 36:09.200]  there at any rate the the litigation when filed um well actually is before us file on thursday night
[36:09.200 --> 36:18.960]  before was filed on friday ashcroft makes the announcement that there are some 3000 pages
[36:18.960 --> 36:27.040]  of materials that hadn't been turned over to the defense and so because they had found these 3000
[36:27.040 --> 36:34.400]  pages somewhere of materials ashcroft was initiating an administrative stay for 30 days
[36:34.400 --> 36:39.920]  and of course the the formal defense council did habeas and all that again on those documents
[36:40.400 --> 36:48.560]  and to no end i mean to no to no fruit to no to no benefit but i personally am satisfied that it
[36:48.560 --> 36:53.360]  was a letter to the president not long after he had taken office there's a little bit time in there
[36:53.360 --> 37:00.640]  a lot of transitions go on at the beginning of the the the new system the new administration
[37:00.640 --> 37:06.560]  and the letter went out about the earliest it could go out and be treated the way it needed
[37:06.560 --> 37:10.800]  to be treated which was with respect and they were treated with very high respect and i'm
[37:10.800 --> 37:17.600]  satisfied is because everyone knew ahead of time what was going on that this was possible to
[37:17.600 --> 37:24.320]  orchestrate and it was interesting in the neighborhood in dallas because couldn't go
[37:24.320 --> 37:30.720]  anywhere without seeing unmarked cars they were everywhere i had i had people going with me
[37:30.720 --> 37:36.160]  everywhere they know where the grocery store is and the post office and all of the gas station
[37:36.160 --> 37:41.200]  they know where all of that is because they were with me for i'm i'm i'm thinking several weeks
[37:41.200 --> 37:46.240]  four weeks anyway before we got that done and as you get closer to the day closer to the day closer
[37:46.240 --> 37:51.120]  to the day the more and more people around in the neighborhood oh my god it was a fascinating
[37:51.120 --> 37:54.960]  experience and so i'm sure what they were doing just keeping tabs on when what was going on
[37:54.960 --> 38:02.000]  that's fine they had to know they had to know and so we had delivered the documents to the
[38:02.000 --> 38:08.240]  process server thursday and of course they had followed all that they knew exactly what's going
[38:08.240 --> 38:13.840]  on and who was doing what and so it's thursday evening i'm thinking six something eastern time
[38:14.560 --> 38:18.160]  the news comes out over the internet that there's been a
[38:18.160 --> 38:23.760]  a change in the case and that an administrative stay was being issued and that's what happened
[38:24.320 --> 38:30.160]  so that's how the stay happened it was administrative it wasn't judicial but it was a direct result to
[38:30.160 --> 38:35.920]  the lawsuit and you can picture around the the death facility got all the journalists out there
[38:35.920 --> 38:41.280]  doing the reporting on it oh he's about to get the needle and doing the final story on all that and
[38:41.280 --> 38:48.080]  of course they they left someone said oh there's been a lawsuit filed and so the whole camp of
[38:48.080 --> 38:55.200]  journalists just emptied out you never heard about it though the case was no no there was some news
[38:55.200 --> 38:59.760]  there was we there was one interview and i didn't see it but i'm sure they put it on the tv
[38:59.760 --> 39:09.200]  there was a one interview by local tv about the case and that's it all the journalists were
[39:09.200 --> 39:15.680]  there as if all of the national media was still on denver all of it none of it transferred over
[39:15.680 --> 39:21.680]  to tarot in the end and at first it really upset me and then the case came out and then i reflected
[39:21.680 --> 39:27.840]  on the ruling of it and i thought okay they did they did exactly right they did it exactly right
[39:28.800 --> 39:35.280]  and so i've forgiven them for not giving us more attention on the case but fundamentally the
[39:35.280 --> 39:42.480]  uh the case went along in this fashion from the beginning the stay was announced actually the day
[39:42.480 --> 39:48.880]  before the case was filed case was actually filed on that friday and then it just went through the
[39:48.880 --> 39:54.560]  normal process the judge entered so cause order saying i don't get it i just don't i just don't
[39:54.560 --> 39:59.520]  say i mean i read everything that you've got and i don't see it so try again so we did more briefs
[39:59.520 --> 40:06.480]  and then he dismissed it and then we appealed it and the real lesson the real lesson comes from the
[40:06.480 --> 40:15.680]  from the seventh circuit opinion the the details of the issues are a little bit we're going to
[40:15.680 --> 40:21.760]  spend a few more minutes here on the actual position there were there are two subject matter
[40:21.760 --> 40:25.920]  jurisdiction problems one is the transfer and the other is the source of authority where the
[40:25.920 --> 40:31.120]  statute comes from we've hit on that a little bit but let's go a little bit more into the transfer
[40:31.120 --> 40:36.960]  because this this is the biggie this is the one where they had to i say they paid them it's just
[40:36.960 --> 40:42.720]  an expression they paid the media to demonize mcveigh to justify the transfer and as you've
[40:42.720 --> 40:49.200]  already mentioned they had to transfer the case why because a jury pool from oklahoma county
[40:49.200 --> 40:56.160]  is going to have personal experience with multiple explosions multiple explosions everyone within
[40:56.720 --> 41:04.560]  the tri-state area everyone within the county experienced multiple explosions that even showed
[41:04.560 --> 41:10.960]  up on the seismograph equipment you can hear it in the tape there's an audio tape there's a hearing
[41:10.960 --> 41:15.520]  in the water resources building going on at the time they had an audio tape going because that's
[41:15.520 --> 41:21.600]  how you record the administrative hearings and you hear the multiple explosions in the audio
[41:21.600 --> 41:28.400]  recording it's a basic cassette tape it's nothing fancy you don't need to have fancy equipment to
[41:28.400 --> 41:34.800]  pick up on this and it's right there and all this information is available of course on on the
[41:34.800 --> 41:43.840]  internet the so the the legal side of this starts with the obvious the constitution says there's
[41:43.840 --> 41:49.680]  one and only one state that has jurisdiction of the crime and here we are transferring across the
[41:49.680 --> 41:56.480]  state lines i want to i want to explain this a little bit because it's the transfer out of
[41:56.480 --> 42:04.960]  a constitutional mindset and into a reality mindset how does this transfer work here's how
[42:04.960 --> 42:12.720]  the transfer works we were never in the state of oklahoma what you say we were never in the state
[42:12.720 --> 42:18.480]  of oklahoma where were we we were in a federal district some people are familiar with the buck
[42:18.480 --> 42:24.080]  act those who may have heard discussions on this before have heard me to talk about federal zones
[42:24.080 --> 42:32.080]  or federal areas it's a different place it's it's fictional and in the sense that it's like a
[42:32.080 --> 42:38.800]  corporation you can't touch it but it's extremely real in the eyes of the legal theorist it's very
[42:38.800 --> 42:44.800]  real like corporations are very real in the eyes of the law okay the federal district is a very real
[42:44.800 --> 42:51.600]  place since not the state everything happened in the federal district who says the defendant
[42:53.120 --> 42:57.440]  the defendant said so the defendant the defendant responded to the charges
[42:58.080 --> 43:05.040]  okay so everything happened in a federal district and in the federal district all of them
[43:05.040 --> 43:12.000]  in involve a place called this state the language is in the state statutes this way you find in those
[43:12.000 --> 43:18.560]  state statutes the phrase this state you don't see too much of that in the in the u.s code but if we
[43:18.560 --> 43:23.360]  don't if we go to state code to understand the concept it's a little easier to understand it
[43:23.360 --> 43:31.120]  there's one state the capital of that state is dc the the subject of the the land area the land mass
[43:31.120 --> 43:37.280]  the land mass oh cliffhanger we'll come back to the definition of this state after this break
[43:37.920 --> 43:45.200]  the big cliffhanger all right we'll be back right after this short break with more from harman taylor
[43:45.200 --> 44:01.200]  we'll be right back folks this is the rule of law rule of law radio.com
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[46:16.800 --> 46:20.480]  oh
[46:23.680 --> 46:32.800]  always i must be careful what i'm wishing for when i'm hungry i'd like to know just what i'm
[46:32.800 --> 46:46.560]  fishing for i ain't asking for much i ain't trying to be no blood i'm just here making my living pushing buttons
[46:46.560 --> 47:06.320]  my message out to anyone in shouting distance i'm both for bravery and against slavery showing resistance first i'm crawling then i'm walking then i start strutting just so glad to make my living pushing buttons
[47:06.320 --> 47:13.440]  oh
[47:13.440 --> 47:20.960]  okay folks we are back with a very special guest harman taylor okay harman the cliffhanger
[47:20.960 --> 47:26.960]  cliffhanger the definition of this this state a place called this state the place called this state
[47:26.960 --> 47:36.960]  is pictured this way picture 48 contiguous states alaska hawaii of course dc american samoa guam
[47:36.960 --> 47:42.960]  northern mariana more yeah sure easy for me to say northern mariana islands puerto rico virgin
[47:42.960 --> 47:46.880]  islands and all the rest of territories and protectorates you can picture in your mind that
[47:46.880 --> 47:57.840]  landmass now picture a clear acrylic layer hovering 25 feet above the land if you can see that clear
[47:57.840 --> 48:03.360]  acrylic layer hovering 25 nothing magic about 25 feet it's just if you're on the ground looking at
[48:03.360 --> 48:07.120]  something 25 feet in the air you're looking up which is the whole point it helps understand the
[48:07.120 --> 48:13.200]  jurisdictional issue if you can see that clear acrylic layer in the air you can see the place
[48:13.200 --> 48:20.400]  called this state there's two fundamental choices of law it's where all choice of law analysis
[48:20.400 --> 48:28.320]  starts choice of law of law of the land or law of the sea if a matter accrues relative to the land
[48:28.320 --> 48:34.480]  typically the law of the land applies to provide the rules of decision to settle the dispute if the
[48:34.480 --> 48:42.480]  matter arises either relative to the water or relative to the air we're talking about choice of
[48:42.480 --> 48:48.480]  law the law of the sea and apparently that's what happened with this terraho litigation because
[48:49.040 --> 48:53.360]  they threw out all the constitutional law of the land arguments and said no because
[48:53.360 --> 49:00.640]  under title 18 section 7 maritime this and that we have authority to do this and they do and that's
[49:00.640 --> 49:05.440]  exactly right this is that's an excellent tie-in it's excellent because that's exactly what we're
[49:05.440 --> 49:09.520]  talking about special maritime territorial jurisdiction it's exactly where we are that's
[49:09.520 --> 49:15.920]  where this state is when we picture that place we know separate places have their own laws
[49:16.800 --> 49:21.840]  law of germany is separate from law great britain separate from law of italy separate from law of
[49:21.840 --> 49:26.720]  egypt they're all different they're all separate places that's kind of a two-dimensional model
[49:26.720 --> 49:32.880]  because all of it is on the on the land if we make a three-dimensional model we start to understand
[49:32.880 --> 49:42.240]  it because the the law of the sea issue is directly tied to this place so i put this state
[49:43.200 --> 49:48.320]  in the air to make the direct connection between the law of the sea which covers
[49:48.320 --> 49:54.960]  everything that accrues relative to the air and this state that's why i describe it that way
[49:54.960 --> 50:00.960]  to make that direct connection so in in this state there's just one there's just one state
[50:00.960 --> 50:07.920]  there's just one state in this state okay so from the federal map what i mean by federal map okay
[50:07.920 --> 50:13.840]  let's take uh two of your favorite soda water companies they're going to divide their sales
[50:13.840 --> 50:19.840]  territory differently exact same geographic outline two different sales territories okay
[50:21.280 --> 50:26.560]  one of those sales territories is going to be what we would consider to be states the other sales
[50:26.560 --> 50:32.320]  territory is going to be any one of a number of federal maps okay we've got a federal map in
[50:32.800 --> 50:42.320]  title 28 all the u.s districts for the judicial power for for all the judges okay that's one
[50:42.320 --> 50:49.520]  federal division of this state so western district of oglom was a county in this state
[50:49.520 --> 50:55.360]  district of colorado is a county in this state there was never a state line cross because there's
[50:55.360 --> 51:01.600]  only one state we went from one county to the other county that's one way to look at this transfer
[51:02.160 --> 51:09.280]  there's another way to look at the transfer and that is to look at the map that we attribute to
[51:09.280 --> 51:16.000]  states okay we look at oklahoma as a state we look at colorado as a state and we realize that
[51:16.000 --> 51:23.920]  even under that map oklahoma is just a county within the place called this state colorado
[51:23.920 --> 51:32.560]  colorado is just a county within the place called this state and in this state there's no state line
[51:32.560 --> 51:41.600]  to cross we we can talk about it as semantics we can talk about it as splitting hairs we can talk
[51:41.600 --> 51:47.600]  about it on practical matter however we want to talk about it the reality is there was never a
[51:47.600 --> 51:55.200]  state line crossing and transferring that out of oklahoma western district of oklahoma into
[51:55.200 --> 52:04.720]  the district of colorado there's no state line crossed and so in this state we have actually no
[52:04.720 --> 52:10.720]  violation of any of these constitutional provisions and when we understand that we come back to the
[52:10.720 --> 52:15.440]  seventh circuit's description of this purely constitutional case and they describe it as
[52:15.440 --> 52:20.880]  frivolous without merit of no authority the constitution is of no authority and ludicrous
[52:20.880 --> 52:26.160]  why because there's no state lines crossed everybody knows that i mean how stupid can you
[52:26.160 --> 52:30.320]  be to think there are states there and there's a constitution in the article three section two
[52:30.320 --> 52:35.840]  article four section two and sixth amendment relatively just stupid it's ludicrous okay so
[52:35.840 --> 52:42.400]  this is the case and it's a padded two by four it's a wicked paradigm shift now now harman this was
[52:42.400 --> 52:47.600]  the appellate court that ruled this way correct the trial court dismissed we appealed and the
[52:47.600 --> 52:53.040]  seventh circuit actually spent some time teaching us what was really going on and the reason that
[52:53.040 --> 52:59.120]  you were saying that you you couldn't file for uh findings of fact and conclusion at law is because
[52:59.120 --> 53:03.360]  you can't do that with the appellate courts you can only do that at the trial court correct did
[53:03.360 --> 53:08.800]  you guys appeal to the supreme court after that no didn't didn't need to they had already explained
[53:08.800 --> 53:16.000]  it and it's too late we could have gone on i'm i'm sure there are people on standby in washington
[53:16.000 --> 53:22.800]  i'm sure there were no i mean they were on standby in chicago how come you didn't get this sooner
[53:22.800 --> 53:27.040]  bless your heart i mean they really were waitouts at nine thirty or ten o'clock that morning
[53:27.920 --> 53:33.040]  i would really consider not doing it but then you know as i mentioned on the road get these
[53:33.040 --> 53:38.640]  conversations going and then it made sense to i'm i just the world would be a different place if we
[53:38.640 --> 53:45.440]  hadn't if we had to take that appeal i had to get that patty two by four experience so as to be cured
[53:45.440 --> 53:53.920]  of my red white and blue fever it's a it's a phrase that pat chanin coined he says effectively
[53:53.920 --> 53:58.960]  these things aren't supposed to happen in america well they do and those who don't see them have red
[53:58.960 --> 54:06.000]  white and blue fever okay so going into this i had red white blue fever and the the whack upside the
[54:06.000 --> 54:14.720]  head with the proverbial patty two by four forever cured me and so from that moment to this it's been
[54:14.720 --> 54:20.960]  a mission to help those that are interested in this is not this isn't easy to go through it's
[54:20.960 --> 54:27.920]  not the the concept or intellectually all that difficult but not it's just there's such emotional
[54:27.920 --> 54:35.200]  tie to the ideas on which we've all been raised that it makes it a very difficult paradigm shift
[54:35.200 --> 54:39.760]  but as we go through it we say oh this is what they're doing and so now at least we have an
[54:39.760 --> 54:47.360]  understanding we now have a a glimpse from the tarot litigation we get a really good glimpse
[54:48.160 --> 54:54.240]  into the real book and what these cases are telling us what the statutes are telling us
[54:54.240 --> 55:01.760]  how the whole system is structured so when we toss the constitution out we start to understand things
[55:02.880 --> 55:10.560]  and that's that's the key key lesson there from tarot litigation really that's it there's more
[55:10.560 --> 55:15.840]  details about the case we can talk about the the fact of the difference in article 3 jurisdiction
[55:15.840 --> 55:21.760]  and statutory jurisdiction but the the thing i definitely wanted to cover was okay what's the
[55:21.760 --> 55:26.640]  answer i mean it looks horrible you're going from oklahoma to colorado yeah that's pretty
[55:26.640 --> 55:32.640]  obviously a problem so what's what's the magic trick here the magic trick is not looking at it
[55:32.640 --> 55:37.680]  the way we've always been taught to look at it if we look at it from the federal point of view from
[55:37.680 --> 55:46.640]  this state from the funny money zone then we get a very clear shocking alarming at the time
[55:46.640 --> 55:55.520]  physically sickening understanding of the problem but we move through that because we now we now
[55:55.520 --> 56:03.360]  understand it so that's that's tarot litigation in a nutshell there is there is another vignette on
[56:03.360 --> 56:09.520]  this i should mention here in the next 30 seconds or so we made a video it was a two-hour video
[56:09.520 --> 56:18.640]  that aired on the public access channel in houston and the long and the short of it is it aired once
[56:18.640 --> 56:22.960]  it's early sunday morning as i'm recalling i'm thinking maybe seven o'clock on sunday morning
[56:22.960 --> 56:31.120]  two-hour show monday they are very nice about it the fbi guy went to the to the video producer's
[56:31.120 --> 56:37.440]  studio and said we want the original and all the copies we've never seen that video again well
[56:37.440 --> 56:44.880]  well uh harman i heard this i'd heard about this already did the fbi have a warrant for this no
[56:44.880 --> 56:50.000]  warrant they just showed up and took it well but why did the video producer didn't have to give
[56:50.000 --> 56:55.360]  it to him without a warrant that's true we could have gotten into a hassle about it i mean talk
[56:55.360 --> 57:01.600]  about squelching some things called freedom of the press and freedom of speech i mean they talk
[57:01.600 --> 57:07.680]  they talk about censorship but at the end of the day what are they saying they're saying you can't
[57:07.680 --> 57:14.640]  talk about this reality we're going to control you and you can't talk about it okay okay so we're not
[57:14.640 --> 57:19.760]  talking about it no more videos on the houston public access channel seven o'clock sunday morning
[57:19.760 --> 57:28.640]  showing well you can talk about all you want here there we go and it's too late if they want to seize
[57:28.640 --> 57:33.600]  anything because archives are always posted immediately after the shows there you go yeah
[57:33.600 --> 57:37.680]  well that was that was the early threshold i think they finally settled down a little bit
[57:38.320 --> 57:43.360]  well that's just crazy that they intimidated the the video producer into handing over the originals
[57:43.360 --> 57:48.560]  and all the copies with no warrants yeah it's pretty intimidating i mean it's outrageous it is
[57:48.560 --> 57:54.400]  just screaming outrageous but here's the thing if it hadn't had some pretty good information in it
[57:54.400 --> 58:00.000]  they wouldn't have taken that much action so the point is as a confession that we had genuinely
[58:00.000 --> 58:07.440]  learned the essence of the terror litigation all right well now we got it out in the public again
[58:08.400 --> 58:18.000]  thank god all right great we've got three more hours here on our friday four hour info marathon
[58:18.000 --> 58:24.320]  we've got a lot of other topics to cover harman wants to talk about the birther issues some the
[58:24.320 --> 58:32.560]  obama birth certificate debacle and also get into some transportation code discussion with eddie so
[58:32.560 --> 58:39.840]  we've got a lot on the plate for y'all tonight a veritable smorgasbord of legal information and
[58:39.840 --> 58:45.520]  we'll also be talking taking your calls later on this is the rule of law randy kelton eddie craig
[58:45.520 --> 58:50.400]  deborah stevens stay tuned after this top of the hour news break and we'll be right back
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[01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:08.160]  all right folks we are back here on the rule of law friday february 18th
[01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:14.640]  2011 we're here with a very special in-studio guest very good friend of mine mr harman taylor
[01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:21.440]  he's done a lot of work on the oakland homo city bombing issue among other things and now
[01:04:22.080 --> 01:04:28.320]  harman wants to talk about the this birther issue and the obama birth certificate and was he really
[01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:35.920]  a natural born citizen etc etc and harman's position is that uh basically all these kinds
[01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:41.200]  of arguments are are not going to go anywhere is that what you're trying to say it's fundamentally
[01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:47.440]  yet it's okay so harman's taking the opposite issue of the birther so tell us what's the deal
[01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:54.240]  harman we from the let's apply the tarot litigation lesson if there were a constitution it would have
[01:04:54.240 --> 01:05:01.920]  been impossible for there to have been a transfer across the state line so as the the judge in the
[01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:09.200]  obama death health scare case recently noted about that legislation there was no severability
[01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:15.200]  clause so if any of it's bad yet throw the whole thing out okay applying that concept with the
[01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:22.240]  constitution there's no severability cause it's a it's an all or nothing deal you take all of it
[01:05:22.240 --> 01:05:27.280]  or you get none of it and we've just established there's nothing about article three that applies
[01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:33.440]  there's nothing about it that applies okay so there's an answer but let's look at article two
[01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:44.240]  for a minute article two section one sets up a process it sets up a procedure by which the
[01:05:44.240 --> 01:05:51.040]  the church there church of the united states elects its chief executive and we can go through the
[01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:57.440]  details of that procedure the key thing about the procedure is it was followed nine times
[01:05:58.240 --> 01:06:05.760]  the first nine elections were done in direct application of article two section one which is
[01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:12.080]  the procedure you do the electors and the electors meet and they do the voting and they and they send
[01:06:12.080 --> 01:06:17.440]  it to the congress and the congress does the ballots and the most votes is the president the
[01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:23.040]  and the most votes is the president the second most votes of the vice president end of discussion
[01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:30.800]  that's the process that's the procedure by which the chief executive is elected that happened nine
[01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:39.120]  times and then what happened in the 10th election in 1824 we went to the popular vote we've never
[01:06:39.120 --> 01:06:47.920]  looked back there's a manifest change a material change in article one article two section one if
[01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:54.160]  we if we understand the severability concept was very well explained in this recent
[01:06:54.160 --> 01:07:00.880]  abomination case and just as a footnote i'm i'm sure that ruling will be overruled i'll take
[01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:07.360]  let me put it this way i'm sure the abomination death health scare plan is going to be approved
[01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:15.360]  it doesn't apply yet so i think all the litigation is premature and the the mechanism there is a
[01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:23.520]  fairly commercial mechanism if people don't want to be taxpayers stop volunteering it's a commercial
[01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:29.360]  thing they can't make us do it so anyway we can talk about the obama death health scare
[01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.200]  thing one of these days the point is from that recent case that recent ruling out of virginia
[01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:42.480]  the trial court there the concept came up in no severability clause well the constitution is
[01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:47.920]  exactly this way it's an all or nothing deal it's an all or nothing deal we learned in terror
[01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:53.680]  litigation that article three is irrelevant article three article four is irrelevant sixth amendment
[01:07:53.680 --> 01:08:01.200]  is irrelevant we can transfer a criminal case anywhere we want to okay that's the story we see
[01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:06.720]  the same thing in in article two section one article two section one hasn't been applied since
[01:08:06.720 --> 01:08:14.560]  the 1820 election the ninth election was in 1820 the tenth election is 1824 we've never done it
[01:08:14.560 --> 01:08:22.240]  according to that process since it it's just another point in the evidence about the fact
[01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:27.040]  that when you argue the constitution frivolous without merit of no authority and ludicrous
[01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:35.040]  okay well let me ask you something harman okay fire because we're talking about the this place
[01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:42.240]  called this state being like federal zone right good so uh if it's a federal zone then wouldn't
[01:08:42.240 --> 01:08:50.400]  somehow if is aren't there statutes regarding uh the birth certificate issue or not necessarily
[01:08:50.400 --> 01:08:56.080]  birth certificate but the natural born citizen issue because in the terra ho case they said okay
[01:08:56.080 --> 01:09:01.280]  they said okay the constitution doesn't apply but the section of title 18 applies right so if
[01:09:01.280 --> 01:09:08.320]  there's some statute having to deal with being a natural born citizen then couldn't these birthers
[01:09:08.320 --> 01:09:15.920]  go to that place they could if it existed but there's no statutes correct everything about that
[01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:21.360]  this system and the executive we'll find somewhere between title one and title five
[01:09:21.360 --> 01:09:27.280]  if there were a problem if let me put it this way let me put it this way if there were a requirement
[01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:34.480]  of citizenship it would be found in the statutes if there were a requirement it'd be in the statutes
[01:09:34.480 --> 01:09:44.720]  so there's no no statute anywhere requiring that the president be uh a natural born citizen
[01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:50.160]  correct it's not there the only place that you ever see that is in constitution that's the place
[01:09:50.160 --> 01:09:58.080]  for it if it were somewhere else then there would be basis in that position to hang a peg on something
[01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:02.800]  and say you can't do it well it would seem like title 18 would be the place for that it might be
[01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:08.080]  that's the that's the penal code and it might not necessarily be there but it'd have to be in
[01:10:08.080 --> 01:10:14.320]  something that set up the executive branch it would have to be in that title and there's nothing
[01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:21.600]  and there's nothing nothing there we have to i say we don't have to we can give the dnc a
[01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:26.720]  little bit of credibility on their side of picking this guy as the candidate in the first place
[01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:31.920]  if there really were a legal barrier to it it wouldn't have gone as far as it did
[01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:40.800]  that's just that's just the the practical reality in it the people that run that game that facade
[01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:49.200]  that show that entertainment thing called the convention have absolutely researched the issue
[01:10:49.200 --> 01:10:57.280]  well well for sure they don't seem to care that different states capital s like we're talking
[01:10:57.280 --> 01:11:03.040]  about like texas oklahoma they obviously didn't care that those states if you want to call them
[01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:10.160]  states have laws regarding uh deadlines for filing requirements if you want to be on a ballot because
[01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:19.600]  the dnc held its convention after the filing deadlines for the state of texas and a number
[01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:24.560]  of other states as well it's not like they just didn't get a piece of paper in on time like it
[01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:30.720]  was just some sort of minor technicality no they actually held their convention after these
[01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:36.880]  deadlines and he was on the ballot anyway and he was on the ballot anyway yeah and and i think the
[01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:42.720]  libertarian candidate bar i think he tried to file a lawsuit over it and it didn't really go anywhere
[01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:49.840]  and what you have there is just all the more confirmation that the normal thinking about all
[01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:55.840]  of this doesn't help us and this is this is why i raised this issue this is one that has
[01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:04.320]  an awful lot of people really upset and it's okay we have to start somewhere where they're
[01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:11.040]  starting is with the constitution it's where we're all taught to start and in the in the context here
[01:12:11.040 --> 01:12:16.560]  of the tarot litigation we're applying that lesson we're applying it and applying it and applying
[01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:22.320]  and applying it everywhere we can apply it and this is another application of that lesson
[01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:31.040]  to go to article 2 section 1 well wherever the requirement is to go to article 2 for anything
[01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:39.680]  relevant to the federal government is to be frivolous without merit and etc why the constitution
[01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:44.000]  we didn't think about it any number of ways constitution never existed it was never admissible
[01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:49.360]  evidence of law if it were admissible evidence of law it is relevant to a law of the land system
[01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:54.800]  we haven't had law of the land system since not long after the kennedy assassination for sure
[01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.880]  because you can't have a law of the land system without legitimate money so where we got funny
[01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:04.400]  money we know instantly there's no constitution but even before then we trace it all the way back
[01:13:04.400 --> 01:13:12.000]  to the beginning the the concept in the constitution were whittled away starting immediately after it
[01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:17.920]  got started and this is one of the early ones it wasn't the earliest but this issue about the
[01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:25.840]  procedure on how the executive is elected was one of the early ones kicked in the head and the reason
[01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:33.040]  we bring that up in the birther issue is this it's all article 2 we can't look at the citizenship
[01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:36.720]  requirement the natural born requirement which i'm going to get some more details in that just a
[01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:43.280]  second we can't look at that and not look at the rest of article 2 there's been absolutely no
[01:13:43.280 --> 01:13:50.640]  objection to the procedure since 1824 and it just astounds me it just astounds me there's been no
[01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:57.360]  objection to the procedure now let's look at the electors a little bit the whole procedure in article
[01:13:57.360 --> 01:14:04.160]  2 is to have the electors make the decisions nothing about the constitution talks about a
[01:14:04.160 --> 01:14:11.600]  requirement to be associated with guess what a political party to add a political party requirement
[01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:18.000]  which is exactly what we've got is to amend the of a national office how do we say that because the
[01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:24.080]  office of elector is a national office if we had a constitution it's the constitution that would
[01:14:24.080 --> 01:14:31.520]  create that office so it's not a state office it's a national office can a state add or subtract
[01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:39.440]  modify in any way the requirements or eligibility for a national office no see we've got legislation
[01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:45.120]  going on state of arizona right now they're trying to make a birth certificate thing a requirement to
[01:14:45.120 --> 01:14:50.960]  any candidate state or national that's going to go on a ballot in arizona what they're trying to
[01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:58.320]  do in a sense is add a citizenship requirement to national offices through state legislation
[01:14:58.320 --> 01:15:04.800]  and it won't work why because a state cannot modify eligibility requirements for a national
[01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:12.320]  office and there's no there's no federal statute to deal with that i haven't found it well now
[01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:19.360]  harren let me ask you this fire okay if the federal statute you know according to our
[01:15:19.360 --> 01:15:24.240]  previous concepts are supposed to hang on the constitution and be in compliance with the
[01:15:24.240 --> 01:15:30.080]  constitution but then there's no constitution how are the courts supposed to interpret federal
[01:15:30.080 --> 01:15:37.040]  statutes as being legitimate or not or constitutional or not the constitutional barrier is a tough one
[01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:40.960]  because there's nothing that's constitutional or unconstitutional so does that mean that the
[01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:46.320]  legislative branch can just make laws saying whatever they want almost it's not quite that
[01:15:46.320 --> 01:15:54.240]  bad they can't change due process and they can't compel commerce so there are some fundamental
[01:15:54.240 --> 01:15:59.760]  limits but where you're headed is excellent because why because now we're trying to understand the
[01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:04.480]  reality about where the limits on this thing called the federal government are this is where
[01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:09.520]  we need to be what are the limits and how can we apply them we keep going to the constitution to
[01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:13.760]  try to find limits for it and the constitution doesn't exist but if it did exist it didn't
[01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:19.600]  create this thing called the federal government it didn't create it the federal government is a
[01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:25.040]  commercial system it's declared into existence just like american airlines or general mode well
[01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:31.440]  general mode is a government motor now pick another one um mcdonald's they declared into
[01:16:31.440 --> 01:16:37.680]  existence commercial entities federal system is commercial it wasn't declared by law into existence
[01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:42.640]  it declared commercially into existence and that's how it functions and you're saying the only
[01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:47.920]  exception to that is title 18 if there is an exception it'd be title 18 title 18 is very
[01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:52.160]  commercial too all right all right we'll get into that some more on the other side all right folks
[01:16:52.160 --> 01:16:56.400]  we'll be right back on the other side of this break with a very special guest mr harman taylor
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[01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:17.360]  okay folks we're talking about where the actual limits on the federal government are
[01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:24.480]  harman mentioned before the break one of them has to do with uh commerce and that they can't compel
[01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:28.320]  us to engage in commerce with them and he's going to get some more into that in a minute and
[01:20:28.320 --> 01:20:31.840]  also they can't violate due process we're going to talk about that a little bit later too
[01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:36.000]  but before we go back to harman i just want to get randy's take on all of this
[01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:41.440]  emails have been popping up into my email box where's randy is he listening to this randy needs
[01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:48.640]  to be here in this randy uh you're still here right yeah i'm still here so what is your take
[01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:56.800]  on all of this so far okay this will take me a while to sort out i really want to understand
[01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:05.840]  how to get to the maritime my research says i can't get there harman's research says he can
[01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:11.200]  get there and i've learned from dealing with harman's research to pay attention to harman's
[01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:20.000]  research and throw up on my own because harman is so much deeper than me and the idea that the
[01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:30.240]  the constitution doesn't apply i find frustrating and distressing while on the other hand
[01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:36.160]  we've heard we made the comment he make the comment here that i don't need the constitution
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:43.360]  i'll do what i need to do with statute because just about everything that's in the constitution
[01:21:43.360 --> 01:21:47.840]  is in the statute and that's and harman was discussing that earlier with the tarahult
[01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:54.240]  litigation they went straight to statute the title 18 section 7 thing yeah that's a pretty big almost
[01:21:54.240 --> 01:22:00.160]  though randy that's yeah that's that was it the problem is is just about everything is in there
[01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:06.800]  and not everything not everything and specifically regarding this birther issue that's where harman
[01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.720]  is saying that the the burgers are going to have a problem because it's not in statute
[01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:17.280]  i never had much concern about that i've got more important issues than whether or not
[01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:23.360]  uh he's got a birth certificate because i don't see that it makes any difference to the president
[01:22:23.360 --> 01:22:27.360]  well i do see that it makes a difference and the reason that the founders of this country put that
[01:22:27.360 --> 01:22:33.760]  in the constitution while it was still in application is because they wanted to make sure that a foreign
[01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:43.200]  entity could not come in to this state okay or to this country and take over and become our leader
[01:22:43.200 --> 01:22:50.640]  uh to co-op this nation for foreign interests it is very important it's exactly what's there
[01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:56.480]  okay and it should be in statute unfortunately apparently it's not so i just wanted to get you
[01:22:56.480 --> 01:23:02.560]  guys's take on that okay we're going to go back to harman now okay so harman please get into uh what
[01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.960]  you were speaking about before we went to break concerning the the where the true limits on the
[01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:13.680]  federal government are regarding the statute and i was asking about uh concerning these statutes
[01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:20.640]  uh and if if if they don't necessarily have to be in compliance with constitution as what we've
[01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:26.400]  always thought then what do they have to be in compliance with where where are the limits on
[01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:31.520]  congress as far as whatever laws they want to try to pass here as a practical matter there
[01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:40.080]  are almost none what we'd like to think is that article one supplies limits article one lists
[01:23:40.080 --> 01:23:45.520]  certain subject matter areas and we're all over the place night right now with it what we're
[01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:52.560]  dealing with is a system that proposes agreements there will be some in the audience that remember
[01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:57.680]  monti hall's let's make a deal i understand there's a newer one now there may be a different host
[01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:03.200]  but in the let's make a deal concept if we have that in mind and think governmentally we've got it
[01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:11.680]  the federal government can do just about anything they can talk us into agreeing to being regulated
[01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:22.160]  about if we consent to being regulated then they've got the authority in that matter it's where
[01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:28.000]  it's where and we see this in cases and we see it in search warrant cases and there's some things
[01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:34.800]  from we the people the cases where the mostly appellate status is there where the court
[01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:43.120]  basically says why in the world did you consent to that and oh we did this and we did that and
[01:24:43.120 --> 01:24:48.480]  they did this and we didn't object and the court says why didn't you object yeah just like when
[01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:55.120]  these police want to search your car and people say oh okay or just like in with the terra haute
[01:24:55.120 --> 01:25:01.040]  video at the cable access the fbi comes and says they want the tapes and the guy just gave it to
[01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:06.080]  them well why did they consent that's a question that's a very good question we're we're trained
[01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:11.920]  that way we're good prussians we've been taught to do that what we've been told to do and not ask
[01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:18.880]  questions and as people get out of thinking that there are external limits on the federal
[01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:24.160]  government through the constitution and it's a wicked paradigm shift uh it it does take a
[01:25:24.160 --> 01:25:29.920]  while it is frustrating it is upsetting as i mentioned i was physically sick over that ruling
[01:25:30.480 --> 01:25:35.920]  and uh it was i wasn't physically sick for the two months but probably two weeks of the two months
[01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:42.080]  it it may it just had a physical reaction on me and that may be the way it is on a lot of people
[01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:48.320]  and having been there and done that i understand the rest of it is it was the prescription that
[01:25:48.320 --> 01:25:54.880]  worked for me now not everyone needs a padded two by four some people need an unpadded two by four
[01:25:54.880 --> 01:26:04.480]  with spikes in it and some people need the the feather bed at the end of the day we've got a
[01:26:04.480 --> 01:26:11.440]  wicked bad transition in our understanding to go through and it starts with understanding that what
[01:26:11.440 --> 01:26:18.240]  we're dealing with is not created by the language of the constitution the constitution did not
[01:26:18.240 --> 01:26:26.000]  create the federal government and when we have that in mind then we stop looking to the constitution
[01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:32.400]  to figure out what the limits are and we start looking somewhere else and that somewhere else
[01:26:32.400 --> 01:26:40.320]  the key thing is in the label federal i write notes it's a by request only list because a lot
[01:26:40.320 --> 01:26:45.920]  of people really don't want this information they really don't want it but the people on the list
[01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:54.800]  for legal reality here read quote unquote here they read the concept from me very regularly
[01:26:54.800 --> 01:27:02.320]  and that's this federal means federal federal does not mean national federal most certainly does not
[01:27:02.320 --> 01:27:09.760]  mean constitutional federal means federal what does federal mean at the level of a state federal
[01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:18.960]  means by compact or by treaty the state enters into an agreement in other words by treaty or
[01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:24.720]  by compact that's at the level of the state at the level of the individual not very many dictionaries
[01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:30.880]  go here they don't distinguish it and they need to and we need to understand that there is a level
[01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:35.680]  of federal that involves the individual and what does it mean when it applies the individual by
[01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:41.680]  agreement at the level of state federal means by compact or by treaty at the level of the individual
[01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:52.960]  federal means by agreement where is the power in the federal system our signature they use our
[01:27:52.960 --> 01:28:01.760]  signature as the blackjack against us they use our consent and they bully their way into our consent
[01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:10.400]  an awful lot and we just have to know that it's not a law driven system than the way we think
[01:28:10.400 --> 01:28:16.640]  about law it's not created by law it's not limited by law it's created commercially and therefore
[01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:24.400]  it's limited commercially that commercial consent comes effectively through our signature
[01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:31.040]  there's a benefit where the agreement of this type and that type the other type have to be in
[01:28:31.040 --> 01:28:39.520]  writing but at the end of the day pleadings can constitute agreements pleadings can be used
[01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:45.440]  as mechanisms to show that an agreement exists so even up to and including the litigation process
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:52.720]  if we don't understand that the limit comes through our consent then we're going to get
[01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:59.200]  suckered into getting our consent and they never had it before then but they have it then and
[01:28:59.200 --> 01:29:04.320]  because they have it then they can then go on to say well here's the agreement it's simultaneously
[01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:12.080]  breached so the mechanism on the federal system which is what take a level it's federal at the
[01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:17.920]  municipal level let's go even further down than that school board things like that federal
[01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:25.360]  municipalities federal counties federal states run federally what by agreement
[01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:29.600]  okay of course at the national level by agreement
[01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:37.280]  okay we'll come back to the money issue and explain this a different way in the next segment
[01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:46.320]  all right sounds good well i wish there was hope for the birther people but it sounds like from
[01:29:46.320 --> 01:29:49.920]  what you're saying they're going to have to find something in statute if they really want
[01:29:49.920 --> 01:30:00.640]  to have a chance yep all right we'll be right back folks the rule of law top 10 reasons to
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[01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:20.960]  over 2500 autopsies in his time stated there's never been an unknown victim this leg belonged to
[01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:26.000]  a perpetrator close enough to the bomb or his body to be damaged leaving only a left leg behind
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[01:32:21.200 --> 01:32:48.560]  all right we're back very special guest tonight
[01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:56.720]  all right former attorney harman taylor of the famous tarot held litigation and you're talking
[01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:01.680]  about the commercial nature of the system and you're about to get into money getting into the
[01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:08.160]  money uh going back to judge vinson's concept about the obama death health scare legislation
[01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:14.160]  he says there's no severability clause this part of it's bad so the whole thing goes out
[01:33:14.160 --> 01:33:18.320]  we apply that to the constitution there's no severability clause it's an all or nothing thing
[01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:23.920]  and the all or nothing thing we've talked about already is article three then we went into article
[01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:33.280]  two and we can move into the money issue what does it say about money no state shall do what
[01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:42.480]  make anything but gold or silver coin tender and payment of debt and we don't have that anymore
[01:33:42.480 --> 01:33:49.040]  we haven't had it on the gold side since fdr stole it all starting what 33 or something
[01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:56.560]  and then the the thing about kennedy is this he wasn't going there he had no intention of
[01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:02.800]  backing the play of the international bankers he thought the same way lincoln did and that is if
[01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:10.720]  we got a money issue let's print united states notes no interest and then after the time we
[01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:14.400]  don't need those anymore we take them back out of circulation get back gold silver
[01:34:16.400 --> 01:34:20.800]  kennedy was assassinated the motive for the assented all these people talking about motive
[01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:24.800]  we got to understand the money issue and we when we understand the money issue we understand the
[01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:32.320]  motive instantly the motive was to get rid of honest weights and measures why because honest
[01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:37.760]  weights and measures when we use those bring with it the choice of law of guess what the law of the
[01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:44.960]  land where's the connection scripture where is silver money in scripture what is the basis of
[01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:53.440]  the common law scripture so when we use an honest system of weights and measures we are bringing
[01:34:53.440 --> 01:35:01.200]  into that transaction the choice of law of the law of land it's just it's just that simple when
[01:35:01.200 --> 01:35:07.360]  we don't have an honest system of weights and measures to use as currency then there's an issue
[01:35:07.360 --> 01:35:13.120]  what's the choice of law where we're using funny money funny money under the law of the land is
[01:35:13.120 --> 01:35:21.040]  fraud the the interest bearing debt instruments that pass as currency that are the federal reserve
[01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:28.800]  notes i call them funny money those if evaluated if that practice was evaluated under the law of
[01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:34.400]  land somebody be going to jail for fraud now it's actually worse than that i'm not going to spend
[01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:41.120]  time on this just to give a character of the level of the problem that we're dealing with
[01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:47.200]  if we evaluate funny money under the law of land we're talking about treason i'm not going to spend
[01:35:47.200 --> 01:35:52.640]  any time on it i'm just going to mention that to say it's an act of war to bring funny money into
[01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:59.920]  a legitimate system okay how do you get around that picture yourself on the council of all these
[01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:04.960]  evil people that want to take over the world they got to take over america to do it america's got
[01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:10.800]  this apparent constitution there and part of the concept is legit money how do you change it well
[01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:16.240]  you got to change the place we got to go from great britain where we got sterling silver to
[01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:21.840]  world war one post world war one germany where they had runaway inflation because of paper money
[01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:26.880]  we got to make that transition how do you do it you destroy the definition of the term dollar
[01:36:28.480 --> 01:36:32.880]  this state where funny money circulates without anybody going to jail can't happen
[01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:39.440]  where the term dollar is defined in terms of of silver the best definition for circulating would
[01:36:39.440 --> 01:36:45.600]  pick pick whatever weight you want dollars a measure of weight like pound ounce ton dollar
[01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:54.480]  represents weight okay what's the weight well 377 grains of fine silver 371 point something
[01:36:54.480 --> 01:36:58.080]  something something right yeah grains of fine silver that's what dollar is supposed to be
[01:36:58.080 --> 01:37:02.400]  defining it was defined as that and then they just they whacked the definition what's the
[01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:08.880]  definition of dollar now it's in tile 31 hello it's x5101 somewhere there dollar is 100 cents
[01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:15.120]  what's a cent one one hundredth of a dollar you just get on this treadmill it's a cyclical
[01:37:15.120 --> 01:37:19.120]  redundant definition exactly what do you mean it doesn't define anything circular reasoning
[01:37:19.120 --> 01:37:26.000]  exactly it doesn't get you anywhere it's not a definition it's an excuse it's a it what do
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:30.320]  we have here we have destruction of term dollar what did that allow creation of this state
[01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:36.640]  if the term dollar were defined in terms of silver every everything commercial would be
[01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:42.880]  under the law of the land to change that they had to change the money to change the money
[01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:48.400]  they changed definition of dollar now we got commerce at two levels in this system we have
[01:37:48.400 --> 01:37:53.600]  commerce at the national level we got commerce guess where the state level contract law trust
[01:37:53.600 --> 01:38:00.640]  law all of these things where we're dealing with the commerce is state law stuff now you
[01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:05.280]  know why we have the uniform commercial code uniform commercial code did to the states
[01:38:05.280 --> 01:38:10.560]  what change in the definition of dollar did at the national level it clobbered the law of land
[01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:16.560]  system money is sort of defined on the uniform commercial code but dollar isn't they sort of
[01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:22.240]  defined money and of course included in that's federal reserve notes but that had to change in
[01:38:22.240 --> 01:38:26.720]  order to change commerce at the state level the state law questions in this and there's federal
[01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:32.880]  questions the state law questions are where all the commerce goes on well almost all of it so to
[01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:40.240]  destroy that they had to destroy the money okay we don't have gold and silver coin in general
[01:38:40.240 --> 01:38:45.760]  circulation in right now so it's just one more piece of the constitution is not there and there's
[01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:51.440]  no severability clause we only have to see one piece of it well we have to see two things we
[01:38:51.440 --> 01:38:57.040]  have to see there's no severability clause and we have to find that at least one piece is missing
[01:38:57.040 --> 01:39:03.600]  well we've gone through three already well six actually but the point is all these things that
[01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:08.080]  people say oh constitution this constitution that what constitution if we had a constitution we'd
[01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:12.560]  have on a system weights and measures we would have gold and silver coin in general circulation
[01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:19.280]  there wouldn't be any funny money there wouldn't be any but all we have is funny money so we're not
[01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:24.880]  under the law of land so we create this fictional system this state and that's the that's the thing
[01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:32.720]  i want to say about the money to do what to come back to this article two section one discussion
[01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:40.000]  about the eligibility for the president now we've got the clause in there it's real clear
[01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:47.520]  it's very clear see if i can find it no person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of
[01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:53.520]  the united states at the time of the adoption of the constitution shall be eligible to the
[01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:57.600]  office of president now this is the basis of the brother's issue they go to the constitution they
[01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:02.160]  see this i don't know how much the rest they've read i mean i'm going to say this obviously not
[01:40:02.160 --> 01:40:06.960]  much they've either not read this i mean bless their hearts either they have never read the
[01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:12.000]  constitution and i while i'm saying this i'm picturing all these brilliant minds i'm not
[01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:16.880]  kidding they're brilliant minds don't misunderstand this they're not stupid people arguing this
[01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:22.800]  position they're not they're very smart people but bless their hearts they either never read
[01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:29.120]  the constitution or they just don't get it yet and maybe they're not supposed to get it i'm not
[01:40:29.120 --> 01:40:34.400]  judging them for it i'm just saying let's don't go down that path they mean well they do they
[01:40:34.400 --> 01:40:38.720]  look at this language they're trying to find something to stop the insanity but they keep
[01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:43.200]  throwing the constitution out of system that is never created by the constitution therefore
[01:40:43.200 --> 01:40:48.080]  is not limited by the constitution so they read this language they're 100 correct they don't get
[01:40:48.080 --> 01:40:55.680]  it it doesn't stop anything why not okay i want to get into a little bit of details about this
[01:40:55.680 --> 01:41:02.800]  language there's some information here that isn't common knowledge probably because it hadn't just
[01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:09.280]  haven't been studied into to the depth yet so let's kick open the the conversation on this right now
[01:41:09.280 --> 01:41:14.560]  for what purpose for the primary purpose of putting to bed the issue of whether he needs
[01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:18.960]  to have a birth certificate or not i'm not an abomination fan you've probably figured that out
[01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:24.960]  already okay but but that's irrelevant does he have to have a birth certificate to hold that
[01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:30.080]  office no he has sufficient citizenship there's articles going around about how many social
[01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:36.160]  security numbers does a man have plenty okay so he's citizen enough to be chief executive officer
[01:41:36.160 --> 01:41:42.560]  of that commercial system he's got a social okay he's citizen enough in that system to be
[01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:46.160]  its chief executive officer it's commercial system he's got enough citizenship for that
[01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:53.840]  okay now i want to go into the concept of the actual wording of that clause the one i just read
[01:41:55.200 --> 01:42:02.880]  i want to go into the grammar of that when that language started this 1787 we're in philadelphia
[01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:09.360]  we're in september those people have been there since may most of them and we're we're getting
[01:42:09.360 --> 01:42:17.280]  down toward the end of the session at that stage they made a committee they called it the committee
[01:42:17.280 --> 01:42:22.240]  of 11 and the committee of 11 consists of one representative from each of the states that were
[01:42:22.240 --> 01:42:26.640]  still there okay they already know that at least two states were not participating and they weren't
[01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:32.320]  they left they said you can't do what you're doing and they left so we've got 11 of the 13 still
[01:42:32.320 --> 01:42:38.720]  there they got one representative from each state committee of 11 and the language approved at that
[01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:47.360]  time didn't have the commas in it is tough on the radio to describe the grammar so i'm going to go
[01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:51.120]  through this and if we need to replay the tape or something we can replay the tape i'm going to tell
[01:42:51.120 --> 01:42:56.560]  you where the commas are and the existence of the commas and the non-existence of the commas
[01:42:56.560 --> 01:43:03.920]  either turns this clause into a grandfather clause or a self-destruct clause okay as it was
[01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:11.120]  originally written is a grandfather clause as it is presented now and it i'll tell you where this
[01:43:11.120 --> 01:43:17.280]  comma came in it turned into a self-destruct clause just by changing the grammar of the sense
[01:43:17.280 --> 01:43:24.640]  it's amazing no person except a natural-born citizen comma or a citizen of the united states
[01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:29.760]  comma and that's the huge one that one right there the second one at the time of the adoption
[01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:37.120]  of the constitution comma shall be eligible to the office of president a natural-born citizen comma
[01:43:37.120 --> 01:43:42.400]  or a citizen of the united states comma at the time of the adoption of the constitution
[01:43:42.400 --> 01:43:46.080]  we'll come back after the break i'll explain to you what the change in the grammar was
[01:43:46.080 --> 01:43:52.640]  and what it means all right really good stuff this is awesome thanks harman we'll be right
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[01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:52.080]  now we're about to get into some basic grammar lessons sentence diagramming
[01:46:52.080 --> 01:46:58.400]  putting things in outline form if necessary to figure out what the true meaning of a sentence
[01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:04.800]  or a paragraph is and all these commas and all these semicolons are very very important so go
[01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:10.160]  ahead harman what we have there the those first two commas are the are the key ones and of course
[01:47:11.120 --> 01:47:16.720]  in the very first version there were no commas out of out of the approval at the time of the
[01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:23.040]  committee of 11 there were no commas i should mention here an excellent resource for this
[01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:33.040]  the accumulation of documents in the the edited publication called documents illustrative
[01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:40.880]  of the formation of the union of the american states is a great reference to have in the library
[01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:45.360]  it's got all of the discussions and it got all for example madison's notes which is one i'm going
[01:47:45.360 --> 01:47:51.280]  with here all kinds of documents there and it's a chore to read through that it's the thing you have
[01:47:51.280 --> 01:47:55.520]  to read through and read through and read through and make a lot of notes and make their own charts
[01:47:55.520 --> 01:48:00.800]  and cross-reference this and cross-reference that and where was the motion where was the second
[01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:05.360]  where was the vote did they actually follow the procedure and these sorts of things okay documents
[01:48:05.360 --> 01:48:11.280]  illustrative it's got a forward in the version i have the edition i've got has afford by tupper
[01:48:11.280 --> 01:48:16.560]  saucy and people may remember tupper saucy from the from the tax days of course bless his heart
[01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:23.040]  he's passed away since then but that's the one i'm talking about document illustrative and
[01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:32.000]  in there is all the information that i'm going through here so we find about what the fourth
[01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:37.120]  of september 1787 approval of the language you're taught that we're talking about here
[01:48:37.120 --> 01:48:44.960]  about no person except a natural-born citizen etc okay no comments on the 4th of september 1787
[01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:54.480]  and it's clear because there are no commas it's clear that we've got two different things and
[01:48:54.480 --> 01:48:59.040]  here's one of them and i'm going to use space on the line we haven't gone anywhere we're just
[01:48:59.040 --> 01:49:07.200]  going to use pregnant space on the line to show the differences a person is eligible if a he's a
[01:49:07.200 --> 01:49:14.800]  natural-born citizen or b a citizen of the united states at the time of the adoption of the
[01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:22.960]  constitution let's go through these again a natural-born citizen what does that mean that
[01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:29.280]  means it's timeless a natural-born says someone is born here after our flag flies okay what's the
[01:49:29.280 --> 01:49:35.840]  example what flag think about it what flag was george washington born under okay he's born in
[01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:43.760]  the place called virginia but what was the flag british what was the flag under which all our
[01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:48.800]  founding fathers were born all of them were born over here well not all of them the ones they're
[01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:58.240]  born over here okay we're born where under what flag british what was their nationality british
[01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:03.840]  no they've been separated from great britain that was the that was the deal about the war
[01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:09.600]  we talked about that one these days but fundamentally their nationality which is a thing
[01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:20.560]  determined at birth british okay kenya is basically british so the obama nation's nationality is no
[01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:26.560]  different from george washington's and it's a thought that not very many people have taken
[01:50:27.280 --> 01:50:33.440]  to the task yet but just illustrate that george washington was born under british flag okay
[01:50:33.440 --> 01:50:40.400]  okay so he was not a natural-born citizen but was what was he see here's the thing 14th amendment
[01:50:40.400 --> 01:50:45.520]  gets into defining citizen there were no citizens of the united states at this time the constitution
[01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:53.040]  never defined it never defined it but presume that we had a definition would george washington
[01:50:53.040 --> 01:50:57.600]  have been a natural-born citizen no what would he have qualified under if he qualified which he did
[01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:02.400]  citizen of the united states at the time of the adoption of the constitution well we don't know
[01:51:02.400 --> 01:51:07.520]  who that is because the term was never defined but if he qualified that'd be it the point being this
[01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:12.240]  clause this is what we're going to focus on at the time of the adoption of the constitution it turns
[01:51:12.240 --> 01:51:20.960]  everything it controls this entire issue at the time of the adoption of the constitution who does
[01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:27.760]  that apply to citizens of the united states in its original version without the comments
[01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:37.360]  okay now friday september 7 three days later what happens we get the appointment
[01:51:39.040 --> 01:51:42.480]  no no this is on the eighth sorry i got a day ahead of myself
[01:51:42.480 --> 01:51:51.040]  as of as of the seventh when we get into the discussions it was very clear that this was
[01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:55.040]  the second clause here system of the united states at the time of the adoption of the
[01:51:55.040 --> 01:51:59.120]  constitution was intended to be a grandfather clause because they were not natural-born citizens
[01:51:59.120 --> 01:52:04.080]  and they weren't pretending to be natural-born citizens they wanted them themselves to be
[01:52:04.080 --> 01:52:11.120]  eligible so they had to define this in eligibility two different ways okay on the eighth of september
[01:52:11.120 --> 01:52:20.720]  on the eighth of september this is a saturday what happened a committee of style and arrangement was
[01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:28.960]  appointed committee of style and arrangement okay there are five people on that see if i've got the
[01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:41.600]  here jefferson hamilton morris madison and king jefferson hamilton morris mass and king the
[01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:51.920]  committee of style and arrangement five people are going to write up the document okay now
[01:52:51.920 --> 01:53:00.960]  now 12 september four days after the appointment we get the draft of the constitution guess what
[01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:10.080]  shows up for the first time ever the commas 12 september okay this language is approved
[01:53:11.120 --> 01:53:15.840]  right after the committee of 11 on the fourth of september so we're eight days later
[01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:23.680]  now we've got the commas now the obvious fix for this is to remove that second comma the obvious
[01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:30.880]  fix is to remove the comma let me guess who put it in hamilton that's who i that's who i attribute
[01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:35.360]  because he's the one that was all up in bed with the banker with the banksters at the time right
[01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:40.960]  he was he was definitely a foreign interest holding guy that's my guess but i don't know if
[01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:44.160]  that can be proven or not anyway sorry to interrupt go ahead no no it's an excellent
[01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:49.680]  no no it's an excellent it's an excellent segue because the point is we've got a comma in here
[01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:57.040]  that literally changes the grandfather clause into a self-destruct clause why because both clauses
[01:53:57.040 --> 01:54:05.200]  natural born citizen and citizen of the united states both clauses both clauses are now modified
[01:54:05.200 --> 01:54:12.880]  by the by the next clause at the time of the adoption of the constitution no one is eligible
[01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:18.720]  for even if we had a constitution there would have been two generations worth of people here
[01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:25.520]  and that would have been it why because no one was no one after these groups passed away this
[01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:32.480]  group passed away no one after this group passed away would have qualified because no one would
[01:54:32.480 --> 01:54:38.720]  have qualified because both of those clauses would have had to be satisfied in order for someone at
[01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:43.840]  the time of the constitution exactly at the time of adoption both of those clauses would have had
[01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:48.080]  to be had to have been satisfied at the time of the adoption of the constitution in order for
[01:54:48.080 --> 01:54:54.240]  anyone to be eligible to be president so basically when you dissect the grammar here it means
[01:54:54.240 --> 01:54:58.800]  nobody's ever been eligible to be president is that basically what you're saying correct on the
[01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:03.920]  one hand citizen of the united states was never defined so no one qualified as citizen united
[01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:11.040]  states we have no idea what the term is so the the whole issue here raised by the birther's issue
[01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:18.400]  goes straight to one of the most fatal problems with the constitution and that is citizen was
[01:55:18.400 --> 01:55:24.400]  never defined which means no one qualified for president which means there can be no executive
[01:55:24.400 --> 01:55:29.840]  thing which means what there can be no presentment of any legislation because why no one's home
[01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:36.800]  the presentment is made to the chief executive to sign or to veto okay the 10 day time period
[01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:45.680]  has never started because no one's home but if there were someone home we we'd go through a
[01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:51.760]  different analysis on the that on the on the procedural side and understand how democracy
[01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:57.600]  works and the democracy never met on the substantive side what we have is a problem with this very issue
[01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:03.040]  citizen was never defined we have a we have a definition through the 14th amendment
[01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:08.480]  okay but you can't amend a document that never existed in the first place at least not by the
[01:56:08.480 --> 01:56:18.800]  articles article five doesn't exist okay so that process is irrelevant which means for article 14
[01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:25.360]  to apply we've got to submit the whole thing back to the democracy that has yet to act on any of it
[01:56:25.360 --> 01:56:32.800]  but fundamentally about the brothers issues and and to nail this concept down even if we have the
[01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:42.560]  constitution that the the brothers depend on even if that existed which it doesn't even if it existed
[01:56:43.120 --> 01:56:49.920]  there's no one eligible today because there's no natural born citizen or citizen of the united
[01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:57.760]  states even if the term were defined that exists today that also existed at the time of the adoption
[01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:03.440]  of the constitution it's a moot issue well now harvin hasn't there been case law where
[01:57:04.160 --> 01:57:10.960]  some courts have ruled that natural born citizen actually means that your parents both both of your
[01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:17.120]  parents were born here not necessarily that that you yourself was born here we can get to that
[01:57:17.120 --> 01:57:22.960]  argument there's a we get into nationality we get into these sort of things there's a just solely
[01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:31.920]  concept and there's the just sanguineous concept about how we determine nationality
[01:57:33.200 --> 01:57:43.840]  the orient just about everywhere except the the european nations go on a just sanguineous
[01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:50.880]  theory which means you have the nationality that your parents have the bloodline sanguineous blood
[01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:56.320]  sang okay so of the bloodline you're not it doesn't matter where you're born in that theory
[01:57:57.280 --> 01:58:04.240]  if your parents are japanese you're japanese okay that's the just saying that the just solely says
[01:58:04.240 --> 01:58:09.840]  you're a you're a national of the place where you're born and that's the american rule that's
[01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:15.520]  typically western european rule you're you're a national of the place where you're born so
[01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:20.480]  there's two theories does that even really matter in this particular case that was what you're
[01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:25.680]  saying doesn't matter at all that's okay that's what i didn't that's what i was thinking all right
[01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:32.720]  very good this is an excellent discussion i'm loving it you want to stay with us uh a little
[01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:37.760]  more harmon sure be glad to okay all right we got two more hours we're at our midway point of our
[01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:41.920]  four-hour info marathon here on the rule of law i'm sure there's a lot of you that want to call
[01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:46.800]  and ask some questions we will be taking some questions a little bit later i think bent harman
[01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:53.600]  and eddie want to discuss some transportation code issues and uh in the next hour so folks just hang
[01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:56.960]  on the line and we will see you on the other side of the top of the hour break
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