ROL_2010-07-23_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:09.840]  U.S. Special Forces have begun venturing out with Pakistani troops on Pakistani territory
[00:09.840 --> 00:13.080]  that up to now has been off limits to U.S. ground troops.
[00:13.080 --> 00:19.120]  The expansion of U.S. cooperation is significant given Pakistan's deep aversion to foreign
[00:19.120 --> 00:22.680]  military forces on its soil.
[00:22.680 --> 00:27.080]  Deputy U.K. Prime Minister Nick Clegg was forced to backtrack after pronouncing the
[00:27.080 --> 00:30.480]  invasion of Iraq illegal in the House of Commons.
[00:30.480 --> 00:35.520]  Clegg insisted he was speaking in a personal capacity after a leading international lawyer
[00:35.520 --> 00:40.040]  warned a statement by a government minister in such a formal setting could increase the
[00:40.040 --> 00:45.640]  chances of charges against Britain in international courts.
[00:45.640 --> 00:50.280]  The Obama administration announced Wednesday a new round of sanctions against North Korea
[00:50.280 --> 00:53.680]  to punish, quote, its illicit and provocative policies.
[00:53.680 --> 00:59.680]  Analysts say the bans are nothing new and for the benefit of South Korea.
[00:59.680 --> 01:04.720]  The International Court of Justice said Thursday Kosovo's Unilateral Declaration of Independence
[01:04.720 --> 01:10.040]  from Serbia in February 2008 did not violate international law.
[01:10.040 --> 01:14.920]  The groundbreaking ruling could have far-reaching implications for separatist movements around
[01:14.920 --> 01:19.080]  the world as well as for Belgrade's stalled EU membership talks.
[01:19.080 --> 01:23.800]  The long-awaited ruling which the court took up after a complaint to the UN from Serbia
[01:23.800 --> 01:30.400]  is now likely to lead to more countries recognizing Kosovo and move Pristina closer to entry into
[01:30.400 --> 01:31.400]  the UN.
[01:31.400 --> 01:37.280]  The court's president, Hisashi Awada, said international law contains, quote, no prohibition
[01:37.280 --> 01:40.160]  on declarations of independence.
[01:40.160 --> 01:45.480]  Serbia has continued to demand Kosovo be returned, arguing it has been the cradle of their civilization
[01:45.480 --> 01:52.000]  and national identity since 1389 when a Christian army led by Serbian Prince Lazare lost an
[01:52.000 --> 01:55.480]  epic battle to invading Ottoman forces.
[01:55.480 --> 02:00.300]  The ruling is expected to bolster demands for independence by half a dozen other territories
[02:00.300 --> 02:03.560]  around the world.
[02:03.560 --> 02:07.880]  The nominee for director of national intelligence has warned North Korea's thinking of a South
[02:07.880 --> 02:09.360]  Korean warship.
[02:09.360 --> 02:12.240]  May Harald, quote, a dangerous new period.
[02:12.240 --> 02:17.760]  James Clapper told a Senate hearing Tuesday Pyongyang might seek to advance its internal
[02:17.760 --> 02:21.120]  and external political goals through direct attacks.
[02:21.120 --> 02:26.540]  Earlier, the US and South Korea said they would hold large-scale joint military exercises
[02:26.540 --> 02:32.560]  next weekend in a show of force intended to send a clear message to North Korea that its
[02:32.560 --> 02:34.880]  aggressive behavior must stop.
[02:34.880 --> 02:39.800]  Testifying to the Senate's Intelligence Committee, Clapper brushed aside suggestions he would
[02:39.800 --> 02:45.000]  be beholden to the Pentagon and reluctant to share information about intelligence activities
[02:45.000 --> 02:50.040]  with Congress, saying he had been out of uniform for 15 years.
[02:50.040 --> 02:55.080]  The DNI was created by Congress in 2004 in response to 9-11.
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[02:59.280 --> 03:08.280]  You are listening to the Rule of Law Radio Network at ruleoflawradio.com, live free speech
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[04:08.280 --> 04:31.400]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, and girls, what are you going to do when we come for
[04:31.400 --> 04:38.640]  you here on the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens?
[04:38.640 --> 04:46.240]  Tonight, for the first half hour, we've got very prolific libertarian author Tom Woods
[04:46.240 --> 04:47.560]  as our guest.
[04:47.560 --> 04:49.360]  Thank you for joining us tonight, Tom.
[04:49.360 --> 04:50.720]  Well, my pleasure.
[04:50.720 --> 04:55.640]  I'm coming to you from the Delta Sky Club here at the Atlanta airport, so I'm going
[04:55.640 --> 04:59.320]  to keep my voice at about this level, or they'll just throw me out.
[04:59.320 --> 05:03.120]  The quietest place I could find in the whole airport, you won't be hearing airport announcements
[05:03.120 --> 05:04.120]  the whole show.
[05:04.120 --> 05:06.160]  Well, Tom, thank you.
[05:06.160 --> 05:07.160]  You sound fine.
[05:07.160 --> 05:08.160]  You sound plenty fine.
[05:08.160 --> 05:13.640]  Now, folks, I'm so happy to have Tom on the show tonight, and for those of you listening
[05:13.640 --> 05:20.440]  to the show on 90.1 FM here in Austin, especially, I wanted to get Tom on tonight for our Austin
[05:20.440 --> 05:24.000]  listeners because, Tom, you're going to be in town tomorrow, you're going to be speaking
[05:24.000 --> 05:29.520]  at the We Texans Pillars of Liberty Symposium at the Radisson.
[05:29.520 --> 05:30.520]  You bet.
[05:30.520 --> 05:34.000]  I'll be speaking as part of the symposium, and then after the symposium is over, that
[05:34.000 --> 05:37.600]  night, I'll be the banquet speaker, so it's just, you just won't be able to get rid of
[05:37.600 --> 05:38.600]  me.
[05:38.600 --> 05:39.600]  You'll be sick of me by the end.
[05:39.600 --> 05:43.240]  You'll be throwing things, but I'll do my best to keep you entertained and informed.
[05:43.240 --> 05:50.080]  Yes, and Deborah Medina, who was a candidate for a Republican nominee for governor here,
[05:50.080 --> 05:55.280]  she's also going to be a speaker, and that event is tomorrow at the Radisson from 9 AM
[05:55.280 --> 06:01.520]  to 5 PM, and you can go to wetexans.com to get more information on that.
[06:01.520 --> 06:06.800]  Now, back to more of what's new with Tom Woods, Tom, you are the author.
[06:06.800 --> 06:09.960]  You have written 10 books so far, very prolific author.
[06:09.960 --> 06:16.480]  You also are a writer for the Lou Rockwell website, and your latest book is Nullification,
[06:16.480 --> 06:20.920]  How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century.
[06:20.920 --> 06:27.120]  So will you please explain to us, Tom, a bit about what state nullification is?
[06:27.120 --> 06:33.240]  Well, this is Thomas Jefferson's idea that is making an astonishing and long overdue
[06:33.240 --> 06:35.760]  comeback in our society.
[06:35.760 --> 06:40.160]  It's Jefferson's answer to the question, what do you do when the federal government
[06:40.160 --> 06:42.160]  violates the Constitution?
[06:42.160 --> 06:43.160]  This can happen.
[06:43.160 --> 06:44.160]  This has happened.
[06:44.160 --> 06:45.160]  It happens every five seconds.
[06:45.160 --> 06:47.240]  So what do we do about it?
[06:47.240 --> 06:51.080]  And his answer was, first of all, what do we not do about it?
[06:51.080 --> 06:56.640]  We do not sit around waiting for the federal government to apologize to us, change its
[06:56.640 --> 07:00.240]  ways, wait for the Supreme Court to fix things.
[07:00.240 --> 07:03.360]  He says, come on, the federal courts are just going to rubber stamp everything.
[07:03.360 --> 07:04.360]  You know it and I know it.
[07:04.360 --> 07:05.360]  He says, no, no, no, no, no.
[07:05.360 --> 07:07.640]  What we need instead is the state.
[07:07.640 --> 07:11.160]  The state has to be the sentinels of the liberty of the people.
[07:11.160 --> 07:16.400]  They have to stand up and say the federal government has done something unconstitutional
[07:16.400 --> 07:21.600]  and therefore we respect the Constitution too much to allow this unconstitutional law
[07:21.600 --> 07:23.440]  to be enforced in our state.
[07:23.440 --> 07:24.880]  So it will not be.
[07:24.880 --> 07:26.600]  That was Jefferson's solution.
[07:26.600 --> 07:27.600]  Okay.
[07:27.600 --> 07:32.760]  So this isn't like an entirely new violent idea.
[07:32.760 --> 07:35.000]  It's not even a violent idea at all.
[07:35.000 --> 07:40.640]  It's not some new radical idea that people are just coming up with in this era or in
[07:40.640 --> 07:41.640]  this generation.
[07:41.640 --> 07:48.240]  This is a remedy that was proposed for future generations by one of the primary founding
[07:48.240 --> 07:49.560]  fathers of this country.
[07:49.560 --> 07:50.560]  Oh, absolutely.
[07:50.560 --> 07:51.560]  Yeah.
[07:51.560 --> 07:52.560]  It's very old.
[07:52.560 --> 07:54.240]  So it's not something that Tom Woods invented.
[07:54.240 --> 07:57.160]  It wouldn't really have much credibility if I just came up with it.
[07:57.160 --> 08:00.360]  So indeed it comes right from the pen of Thomas Jefferson.
[08:00.360 --> 08:03.200]  The word nullification, that's his word.
[08:03.200 --> 08:09.120]  He first penned that word to describe what he was suggesting the state do and this has
[08:09.120 --> 08:10.840]  in fact been used.
[08:10.840 --> 08:16.720]  Virginia and Kentucky used nullification to fight against a law in 1798 that made it a
[08:16.720 --> 08:20.960]  crime you could go to jail for criticizing the president or the Congress.
[08:20.960 --> 08:25.160]  And Thomas Jefferson along with James Madison looked at their copy of the Constitution and
[08:25.160 --> 08:28.080]  they said, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do this.
[08:28.080 --> 08:30.080]  So they urged nullification.
[08:30.080 --> 08:34.960]  The northern state used it to fight against unconstitutional searches of seizures, to
[08:34.960 --> 08:40.240]  fight against the prospect of military conscription coming up and even to fight against the fugitive
[08:40.240 --> 08:41.240]  slave laws.
[08:41.240 --> 08:46.680]  Numerous northern states in effect made it very difficult, if not impossible, to carry
[08:46.680 --> 08:47.960]  out those laws.
[08:47.960 --> 08:52.400]  And this was all done under the banner of nullification, quoting Thomas Jefferson all
[08:52.400 --> 08:53.400]  the while.
[08:53.400 --> 08:58.840]  So yes, this is something that Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, the New York Times, they're
[08:58.840 --> 08:59.840]  not going to like it.
[08:59.840 --> 09:02.480]  But you know, it's them versus Thomas Jefferson.
[09:02.480 --> 09:05.600]  I know who's side I'm on.
[09:05.600 --> 09:07.480]  Well, absolutely.
[09:07.480 --> 09:13.440]  And I believe a lot of states are stepping up to the plate, so to speak, as of late,
[09:13.440 --> 09:19.320]  especially concerning nullification of this Obamacare, if you even want to call it that.
[09:19.320 --> 09:23.680]  Yeah, we're seeing it, definitely there's interest in it because of health care.
[09:23.680 --> 09:26.160]  There's interest in it because of cap and trade.
[09:26.160 --> 09:30.720]  Like there are some states, even very small states like North Dakota, North Dakota would
[09:30.720 --> 09:31.720]  be ruined.
[09:31.720 --> 09:34.800]  The whole economy is based on energy, be ruined by cap and trade.
[09:34.800 --> 09:38.040]  So numerous states are getting ready just in case that happens.
[09:38.040 --> 09:44.400]  They're drafting nullification, legislation for cap and trade, there is gun regulation
[09:44.400 --> 09:50.920]  nullification going on in numerous states, and more issues are coming up all the time.
[09:50.920 --> 09:55.840]  It is a wonderful, it is, I think, the most exciting political development in my lifetime.
[09:55.840 --> 10:00.440]  And I have a site of my own that I set up just for this called statenullification.com.
[10:00.440 --> 10:05.400]  And if you go to statenullification.com, you'll find a lot of links and stuff.
[10:05.400 --> 10:09.720]  But in particular, you'll find links to find out where in the country is this going on?
[10:09.720 --> 10:10.720]  What state?
[10:10.720 --> 10:11.880]  Over what issues?
[10:11.880 --> 10:13.320]  How do I be part of it?
[10:13.320 --> 10:17.840]  Because I'm telling you folks, this is one bandwagon you are going to want to jump on
[10:17.840 --> 10:20.320]  because this is a brand new thing.
[10:20.320 --> 10:25.200]  Even though it's old, in recent memory, this is something brand new that we are actually
[10:25.200 --> 10:26.480]  saying no.
[10:26.480 --> 10:30.280]  We're not just saying, well, let's wait four years and vote for some other bum who's going
[10:30.280 --> 10:32.520]  to elude us just as badly as the first bum.
[10:32.520 --> 10:36.560]  No, we're actually trying something new for a change, something we haven't tried a million
[10:36.560 --> 10:38.800]  times before that's failed.
[10:38.800 --> 10:44.280]  We're going to try something different and a Jefferson as our inspiration.
[10:44.280 --> 10:45.640]  Absolutely.
[10:45.640 --> 10:52.640]  And I do know that Montana had passed the law concerning federal firearms regulations.
[10:52.640 --> 10:59.520]  And that state has basically said, if we are manufacturing the firearms here and the ammunition,
[10:59.520 --> 11:04.640]  we're mining the metal here, we're manufacturing it here, we're assembling it here, it's not
[11:04.640 --> 11:12.000]  leaving the state, then the feds have no jurisdiction to regulate what type of firearms people can
[11:12.000 --> 11:17.000]  or cannot use or have or cannot have or how they're going to carry them or whatever.
[11:17.000 --> 11:18.400]  And I think that's a great thing.
[11:18.400 --> 11:21.360]  Yeah, you said it though, Wyoming has done the same thing.
[11:21.360 --> 11:24.640]  It's been introduced in South Carolina, New Hampshire.
[11:24.640 --> 11:28.040]  That's really spreading because some people are skeptical that a Supreme Court decision
[11:28.040 --> 11:31.400]  means that our Second Amendment rights are secure forever.
[11:31.400 --> 11:32.400]  No need to worry.
[11:32.400 --> 11:34.800]  Well, you know, we're a little more skeptical than that.
[11:34.800 --> 11:38.200]  So yeah, so nullification has been used on behalf of that.
[11:38.200 --> 11:42.360]  Five years ago, what really sort of kicked us off in recent times, was five years ago
[11:42.360 --> 11:48.160]  about two dozen states resisted a piece of legislation called the Real ID Act.
[11:48.160 --> 11:54.560]  And the federal government was just stunned at this, that states, the peons have the nerve
[11:54.560 --> 11:58.760]  to resist their overlords in Washington, they couldn't believe this.
[11:58.760 --> 12:04.360]  But yet the federal government, seeing the scope, the size of the opposition, ultimately
[12:04.360 --> 12:05.360]  had to back down.
[12:05.360 --> 12:09.600]  They said, well, this is just hopeless, now they're trying to draft new legislation, but
[12:09.600 --> 12:11.200]  the states are watching them.
[12:11.200 --> 12:16.000]  So in California, the medical marijuana case is even more interesting, because there the
[12:16.000 --> 12:20.400]  Supreme Court ruled against them, they said, you cannot make an exception to the drug war
[12:20.400 --> 12:21.400]  for medical marijuana.
[12:21.400 --> 12:26.040]  You cannot do it, you're violating federal law, cut it out, we're sick of it.
[12:26.040 --> 12:28.280]  The Justice Department told them to cut it out.
[12:28.280 --> 12:31.920]  And yet, in spite of all this, they're still doing it, they're still doing it.
[12:31.920 --> 12:38.200]  So it shows that if the resistance is widespread enough, there is nothing the federal government
[12:38.200 --> 12:42.960]  can do if we simply say, no, we're not going along with it.
[12:42.960 --> 12:43.960]  Absolutely.
[12:43.960 --> 12:50.200]  And I heard Judith McGarry today on Catherine Albrecht's show, here on 90.1 FM in Austin,
[12:50.200 --> 12:55.320]  and there was a major victory there concerning farming and farm animals.
[12:55.320 --> 13:02.720]  The federal government's been trying to push this idea of forcing ranchers and farmers
[13:02.720 --> 13:09.080]  and people who deal with livestock and even fish to RFID implants all of their animals,
[13:09.080 --> 13:14.040]  even fish in a pond, even if it's personal pets, everything, so that all the animals
[13:14.040 --> 13:15.520]  can be tracked and traced.
[13:15.520 --> 13:21.800]  And they put up such a fight, the whole country, they rallied all kinds of support from different
[13:21.800 --> 13:29.280]  political spectrums, whether it's leftist leaning people, right leaning people, whatever.
[13:29.280 --> 13:33.280]  And so many people around the country banded together against this, that finally the news
[13:33.280 --> 13:39.840]  came down just today that the feds are backing off of this idea and that they're only maybe
[13:39.840 --> 13:47.160]  considering it now concerning interstate commerce, but not trying to enforce anything like that
[13:47.160 --> 13:50.960]  at the intrastate level, which they certainly don't have any constitutional authority to
[13:50.960 --> 13:51.960]  do that anyway.
[13:51.960 --> 13:55.800]  Well, that is good news, because I was thinking actually that that law would be an excellent
[13:55.800 --> 14:00.920]  candidate for nullification, because who in his right mind would support the federal government
[14:00.920 --> 14:05.960]  coming in and arresting a farmer, you know, if he's got a chicken without a chip in it.
[14:05.960 --> 14:10.560]  I mean, this would be, if you're going to nullify something, take that, where the whole
[14:10.560 --> 14:12.040]  country would be supporting you.
[14:12.040 --> 14:14.680]  That's a very, very encouraging thing to see.
[14:14.680 --> 14:15.680]  That's wonderful.
[14:15.680 --> 14:16.680]  I'm very happy to do that.
[14:16.680 --> 14:17.680]  Yes.
[14:17.680 --> 14:22.160]  Now, Tom, I wanted to ask you concerning these different nullification laws that are being
[14:22.160 --> 14:29.080]  proposed and those that have been passed, how do the nullification laws differ from
[14:29.080 --> 14:33.120]  a resolution, say for example, are they little more than a resolution or do they carry the
[14:33.120 --> 14:34.680]  same weight as the resolution?
[14:34.680 --> 14:41.680]  I mean, what's going to happen when the rubber hits the road and say a state passes a nullification
[14:41.680 --> 14:46.080]  of a federal law and the feds just come in and say, no, we're enforcing the federal law
[14:46.080 --> 14:47.080]  anyway.
[14:47.080 --> 14:48.080]  Well, what then?
[14:48.080 --> 14:54.720]  Well, then we'd see how serious states are about it, because what would happen, I think
[14:54.720 --> 15:00.280]  in some cases, is that if nullification occurs on the part of enough states, the federal
[15:00.280 --> 15:03.800]  government would not bother and would have to just figure out, we have to have a meeting
[15:03.800 --> 15:04.800]  of the minds here.
[15:04.800 --> 15:10.040]  This is not plausible that we could seriously impose this on so many recalcitrant states.
[15:10.040 --> 15:12.560]  But let's suppose they actually did try to do that.
[15:12.560 --> 15:18.000]  Then the states would have to basically say, we are going to protect our citizens who are
[15:18.000 --> 15:19.080]  disobeying this law.
[15:19.080 --> 15:22.120]  We're going to protect them from the consequences of their civil disobedience.
[15:22.120 --> 15:24.640]  State officials are going to protect them.
[15:24.640 --> 15:28.560]  And if the federal government really wants to have a showdown over this, well, we'll
[15:28.560 --> 15:30.320]  see who the aggressor really is.
[15:30.320 --> 15:35.600]  But ultimately, I think a good example of this from American history was the best known
[15:35.600 --> 15:39.200]  example of nullification involved South Carolina.
[15:39.200 --> 15:42.960]  South Carolina was nullified in Paris in the early 1830s.
[15:42.960 --> 15:45.560]  And it looked like this was going to come to blows.
[15:45.560 --> 15:50.400]  But in cases like this, somebody always, it's like a game of chicken.
[15:50.400 --> 15:52.960]  The two cars never actually smash each other.
[15:52.960 --> 15:54.760]  Somebody swerves, ultimately.
[15:54.760 --> 15:58.840]  And what wound up happening was that both sides decided we do not want to come to blows
[15:58.840 --> 16:00.120]  over this issue.
[16:00.120 --> 16:01.120]  So they came to a compromise.
[16:01.120 --> 16:04.440]  The federal government said, all right, how about this, we'll lower the tariffs gradually
[16:04.440 --> 16:05.440]  over the next 10 years.
[16:05.440 --> 16:06.440]  Can you live with that?
[16:06.440 --> 16:08.440]  South Carolina said, yeah, OK.
[16:08.440 --> 16:09.440]  And it worked out.
[16:09.440 --> 16:11.480]  So that's what I rather expect to see.
[16:11.480 --> 16:15.800]  I do not think the federal government wants the US to have a reputation around the world
[16:15.800 --> 16:20.800]  for, you know, marching troops into its own states at the very time that it's claiming
[16:20.800 --> 16:22.280]  it's spreading democracy around the world.
[16:22.280 --> 16:24.400]  It just doesn't make very good PR.
[16:24.400 --> 16:25.400]  Absolutely.
[16:25.400 --> 16:31.600]  And I know in the case concerning the Real ID Act, our state, Texas, was one of the states
[16:31.600 --> 16:33.320]  that opposed it.
[16:33.320 --> 16:37.800]  And basically, our state stood up to it just by saying, well, we're not going to fund it.
[16:37.800 --> 16:38.800]  It's an unfunded mandate.
[16:38.800 --> 16:40.440]  And so we're just not going to pay for it.
[16:40.440 --> 16:41.440]  So we're not going to do it.
[16:41.440 --> 16:47.480]  And that, to me, is a weak argument because on its face, just fundamental principles,
[16:47.480 --> 16:50.080]  we should be opposing it and not just because of money.
[16:50.080 --> 16:52.400]  But at least it was a way that the state could stand up.
[16:52.400 --> 16:53.400]  All right.
[16:53.400 --> 16:55.840]  We'll be back with Tom Woods when we get back on the other side.
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[19:13.260 --> 19:20.260]  It's all about justice. Justice is the key here on the rule of law. We're so happy to have Tom Woods with us for about another
[19:20.260 --> 19:28.260]  10 minutes or so. He's got to go because he's got to jump on the plane and come to Austin for his big speech tomorrow.
[19:28.260 --> 19:31.260]  So, Tom, why don't you give out some of your websites?
[19:31.260 --> 19:40.260]  Okay. Well, the key one for this is speaknotification.com. This is the website you are not supposed to look at if you were
[19:40.260 --> 19:45.260]  in the New York Times and so on if you go by what they say. You're not supposed to read this information. You're not supposed
[19:45.260 --> 19:51.260]  to know that Jefferson said these things because we are not supposed to resist our wise overlords. We're supposed to just
[19:51.260 --> 19:59.260]  sit back and take it. But Jefferson gave us this great arsenal of weapons and one of them is the peaceful remedy of
[19:59.260 --> 20:06.260]  nullification. So this is all about it. All kinds of good stuff on there, free stuff, videos, articles, links, state
[20:06.260 --> 20:08.260]  nullification.com.
[20:08.260 --> 20:14.260]  And also another thing I was thinking concerning how the states would enforce this, if it was a state law, if the states
[20:14.260 --> 20:22.260]  actually passed these nullification laws, then the sheriff would have no excuse not to enforce these laws across the
[20:22.260 --> 20:26.260]  states and it would be a way to rally the sheriff's support.
[20:26.260 --> 20:32.260]  The sheriffs are going to play an increasingly significant role in American life because they're going to understand,
[20:32.260 --> 20:37.260]  they're going to come to understand their constitutional responsibilities. So you're absolutely right about that.
[20:37.260 --> 20:50.260]  So Tom, and there's also, you also have a website, ThomasEWoods.com, that's T-H-O-M-A-S-E-Woods, W-O-O-D-S.com,
[20:50.260 --> 20:57.260]  where folks can buy any one of your numerous writings, very prolific author here, 10 books on various different
[20:57.260 --> 21:04.260]  topics. And can you give us, hit some of the high points of what people can find in your latest book, Nullification,
[21:04.260 --> 21:07.260]  How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century?
[21:07.260 --> 21:13.260]  Sure. An even easier way to find that website is actually just to go to TomWoods.com. I also own TomWoods.com.
[21:13.260 --> 21:22.260]  It gets you to the same place. But yeah, the book itself, I, you know, I'm not, I don't go around boasting about my stuff,
[21:22.260 --> 21:29.260]  but I am pleased with this book in the sense that it gives you the argument, the ammunition you need so that you will be
[21:29.260 --> 21:36.260]  able to win any argument on this subject. It's like when a grandmaster plays an amateur chess player, it's just,
[21:36.260 --> 21:42.260]  it's not even fair. There are just bodies all over the floor. Well, I think with this, because the evidence,
[21:42.260 --> 21:46.260]  it's not even because I'm such a great guy, it's because if the evidence is there, then you win.
[21:46.260 --> 21:51.260]  Well, I've taken all the evidence and put it into this one, one book, and all the objections they might raise,
[21:51.260 --> 21:56.260]  you've got 58 quotations from the founding fathers, you've got documents, you get, it's all there.
[21:56.260 --> 22:00.260]  Like, you can't lose. They're going to change the subject, they're going to run out of the room, whatever.
[22:00.260 --> 22:07.260]  But you're going to win if you read this stuff. The book gives us, it gives you an overview of what's going on
[22:07.260 --> 22:15.260]  with nullification today, where it comes from, whose idea it was, how you can justify it on the basis of the Constitution.
[22:15.260 --> 22:21.260]  And then it talks about what are the problems that we are doing right now. And they are, for example,
[22:21.260 --> 22:27.260]  the misinterpretation of several key clauses in the Constitution, the general welfare clause, the commerce clause,
[22:27.260 --> 22:33.260]  all these clauses that we're told in our seventh grade class, these clauses allow the federal government
[22:33.260 --> 22:39.260]  to do anything it wants to. No, they don't. I mean, the framers in the Constitution would have shot themselves
[22:39.260 --> 22:44.260]  in the head before they would have approved the document that had clauses in it that just authorized
[22:44.260 --> 22:48.260]  the federal government to act however it wished. There is no such clause in the Constitution.
[22:48.260 --> 22:54.260]  So the book goes in and explains what did these clauses actually mean? What did the commerce clause actually mean?
[22:54.260 --> 22:59.260]  And it shows what the federal government has done with these clauses.
[22:59.260 --> 23:06.260]  The commerce clause talks about regulating interstate commerce, that is, commerce that goes from one state to another.
[23:06.260 --> 23:13.260]  Well, the federal government wants to regulate, of course, everything. So the way it does that is it defines everything
[23:13.260 --> 23:20.260]  so that it somehow qualifies as interstate commerce. So, for example, in the early 40s there was a case involving
[23:20.260 --> 23:26.260]  a farmer, and he had grown some wheat or his own land for his own use, and the federal government argued
[23:26.260 --> 23:30.260]  that this was interstate commerce. And he said, now, wait a minute, how could that be interstate commerce?
[23:30.260 --> 23:35.260]  The wheat never left my own property. I grew it. I consumed it. In what way can you regulate that?
[23:35.260 --> 23:38.260]  That's not interstate commerce. And you know what the federal government's argument was?
[23:38.260 --> 23:43.260]  The federal government said, well, but what if you hadn't grown that wheat on your own property?
[23:43.260 --> 23:46.260]  Then you might have bought wheat from another state in that case.
[23:46.260 --> 23:51.260]  So by growing it on your own property, you are thereby abstaining from buying it from another state,
[23:51.260 --> 23:56.260]  and so you're indirectly affecting interstate commerce, and we can regulate you. I mean, is that a joke?
[23:56.260 --> 24:04.260]  That is a similar argument to what happened in the Rach v. Ashcroft case about medical marijuana,
[24:04.260 --> 24:09.260]  because that case was actually about states' rights, where it had to do with, there wasn't even any
[24:09.260 --> 24:14.260]  commerce involved. There were private growers that were donating the marijuana to the legal,
[24:14.260 --> 24:20.260]  lawful clinics that were regulated under California state law, and the federal government argued
[24:20.260 --> 24:29.260]  and said, well, if some of it got out and crossed state lines, then it would affect the law of supply
[24:29.260 --> 24:35.260]  and demand over the whole nation for marijuana, and it would affect the price by like a billionth
[24:35.260 --> 24:42.260]  of a penny. And so the Supreme Court said, oh, okay. I mean, how ridiculous of an argument was that?
[24:42.260 --> 24:46.260]  And plus, it was preemptive. They couldn't prove that any marijuana had already gotten out.
[24:46.260 --> 24:49.260]  They just said, if it could. So it was a totally ridiculous ruling.
[24:49.260 --> 24:55.260]  Yeah, and they never gave any evidence that this would actually happen. That was an unbelievably
[24:55.260 --> 25:03.260]  absurd case. Then I loved the case involving, this one the Supreme Court actually did overturn.
[25:03.260 --> 25:08.260]  One time in 60 years, they overturned something on Commerce Clause grounds.
[25:08.260 --> 25:15.260]  The Lopez case, 1995. Now here's this case. It's about the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990.
[25:15.260 --> 25:19.260]  It says you can't bring a gun with an X number of feet of a school. Now there were already laws
[25:19.260 --> 25:24.260]  on the books of this effect in 40 states anyway, so it doesn't seem necessary. They have a federal law.
[25:24.260 --> 25:28.260]  They have this law, and it was challenged in the courts in 1995. And the question was,
[25:28.260 --> 25:31.260]  how do you justify constitutionally having this law?
[25:31.260 --> 25:35.260]  Where do you get the authority to deal with this issue? It's obviously a state issue.
[25:35.260 --> 25:42.260]  And the government's lawyers responded as follows. Well, they said, let's suppose there's a chance
[25:42.260 --> 25:46.260]  that there's a gun near a school. Well, that'll make the students nervous. And if they're nervous,
[25:46.260 --> 25:50.260]  they can't learn as well. And if they don't learn as well, they'll become ignorant.
[25:50.260 --> 25:55.260]  And if they're ignorant, they won't be able to produce as much. And when they don't produce as much,
[25:55.260 --> 25:59.260]  they will have impaired interstate commerce. And the Supreme Court said, all right, look,
[25:59.260 --> 26:03.260]  we've been pretty indulgent over the years with you guys, but this is just stupid.
[26:03.260 --> 26:07.260]  Like, there's no way you can. And in fact, on the basis of some of the government's arguments,
[26:07.260 --> 26:13.260]  I don't see how they can deny that on the basis of those arguments, they could regulate human reproduction.
[26:13.260 --> 26:17.260]  I mean, why couldn't they limit the number of children or mandate number of children?
[26:17.260 --> 26:20.260]  The number of children you have would influence interstate commerce, wouldn't it?
[26:20.260 --> 26:25.260]  I mean, if I have 12 children, they're going to produce a lot more widgets than if I had only one.
[26:25.260 --> 26:31.260]  But you don't want to suggest it to them. You don't want to bring up this point. You don't dare mention it.
[26:31.260 --> 26:33.260]  Well, Tom, I mean, we all know...
[26:33.260 --> 26:36.260]  Yeah, they're already trying to. I'm sorry, Deborah.
[26:36.260 --> 26:41.260]  No, I was just going to say, it's open and above board that they're already into population control.
[26:41.260 --> 26:50.260]  I mean, there's a UT professor that goes around and gives seminars to audiences of 2,000 people or more with standing ovations.
[26:50.260 --> 26:54.260]  So yeah, they're onto the one-child policy already.
[26:54.260 --> 26:58.260]  Well, there you have it. They've got the doctrine all lined up for it.
[26:58.260 --> 27:01.260]  But I mean, it's just...
[27:01.260 --> 27:07.260]  Our argument, we've got 1,000% of the logic and the history and the constitutionality on our side.
[27:07.260 --> 27:14.260]  So it's like where shooting fish in a barrel is hugely complicated compared to what's in front of us.
[27:14.260 --> 27:16.260]  It's clearly...
[27:16.260 --> 27:18.260]  We're clearly the winners intellectually.
[27:18.260 --> 27:21.260]  But it's just a matter of, you know, they have the gun, more or less.
[27:21.260 --> 27:25.260]  They do not have the argument. They don't have the logic. They don't have the history. They don't have the constitution.
[27:25.260 --> 27:28.260]  We've got all of it. This is not hard.
[27:28.260 --> 27:35.260]  Well, yeah, they actually argued here in court, the FDA, the other day that nowhere in the Constitution
[27:35.260 --> 27:40.260]  does it say the people of the states have the right to eat certain kinds of foods.
[27:40.260 --> 27:46.260]  So if the government regulates it or lets Monsanto regulate it, nobody's harmed.
[27:46.260 --> 27:50.260]  Yeah, see, that just goes to show how totally upside-down they've got it.
[27:50.260 --> 27:54.260]  The Constitution doesn't have to specify what the rights of the people are.
[27:54.260 --> 27:58.260]  I mean, the Constitution doesn't specify you can get married. It doesn't say anything like that.
[27:58.260 --> 28:02.260]  The Constitution is supposed to specify what the government's powers are. It doesn't specify.
[28:02.260 --> 28:07.260]  Like, I don't go to Taco Bell and then say, wait, I better check the Constitution to see if I'm allowed to go there.
[28:07.260 --> 28:13.260]  The Constitution, you're presumed to have rights unless the law says to the contrary.
[28:13.260 --> 28:18.260]  You can't murder somebody or something. But the government is not presumed to have powers.
[28:18.260 --> 28:23.260]  The government is the one that has to look in the Constitution to see if it can do things, not individuals.
[28:23.260 --> 28:28.260]  That's absolutely right. And the Bill of Rights is actually a bill of restrictions.
[28:28.260 --> 28:33.260]  It's a bill of restrictions on the government of specifically what they cannot infringe upon.
[28:33.260 --> 28:39.260]  But it also says that all other rights that are not enumerated are presumed to be protected as well.
[28:39.260 --> 28:42.260]  Exactly. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments are so important.
[28:42.260 --> 28:46.260]  And yet, the Tenth Amendment, the cornerstone of the Constitution, said Jefferson,
[28:46.260 --> 28:49.260]  the amendment that reserves all undelegated powers to the state,
[28:49.260 --> 28:52.260]  the most important part of the whole Constitution, according to Jefferson,
[28:52.260 --> 28:58.260]  right now that part of the Constitution has been reduced to like a question on jeopardy.
[28:58.260 --> 29:00.260]  Like it's not even there.
[29:00.260 --> 29:06.260]  A question on jeopardy? Oh, Tom, you're great.
[29:06.260 --> 29:11.260]  Well, in fact, if you study for the bar exam and you take one of these crash courses, you know,
[29:11.260 --> 29:15.260]  how do I prepare for the bar exam, one of the test-taking tips they give you, I'm not joking,
[29:15.260 --> 29:20.260]  is that if you're taking the multiple-choice section and you get to a question where one possible answer
[29:20.260 --> 29:26.260]  is the Tenth Amendment, you can rule that out because the Tenth Amendment is never the correct answer to anything.
[29:26.260 --> 29:29.260]  You can just eliminate it right off the bat.
[29:29.260 --> 29:33.260]  Oh, my goodness. Well, Tom, listen, I know you have to run and get on the plane.
[29:33.260 --> 29:34.260]  I wish we could have a longer interview.
[29:34.260 --> 29:38.260]  We've got to have you back and talk about the Seventeenth Amendment issue,
[29:38.260 --> 29:46.260]  which is a very big deal with me, and you've got information on that on your website as well.
[29:46.260 --> 29:48.260]  Give out your website one more time, Tom.
[29:48.260 --> 29:50.260]  TomWoods.com.
[29:50.260 --> 29:53.260]  Okay, great, and we're looking forward to seeing you tomorrow.
[29:53.260 --> 29:55.260]  Thank you very much, Tom.
[29:55.260 --> 29:56.260]  Thanks for having me.
[29:56.260 --> 30:01.260]  Okay.
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[31:01.260 --> 31:14.260]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the head of amendment them, prosecute them.
[31:14.260 --> 31:17.260]  Okay.
[31:17.260 --> 31:21.260]  All set.
[31:21.260 --> 31:38.260]  Yes, we do need a prosecutor.
[31:38.260 --> 31:45.260]  They are murderers, liars, they tell sick, sick stories.
[31:45.260 --> 31:49.260]  And we do need some prosecutors to come and prosecute them.
[31:49.260 --> 31:53.260]  It would be nice if we had private prosecution back in this country
[31:53.260 --> 31:59.260]  so that the state prosecutor doesn't have a monopoly on criminal prosecution.
[31:59.260 --> 32:03.260]  I mean, that's another kind of a libertarian pet peeve of mine.
[32:03.260 --> 32:07.260]  You know, anybody can hire whatever lawyer they want for a civil suit.
[32:07.260 --> 32:12.260]  Well, why shouldn't victims of crimes be able to hire whatever lawyer they want to prosecute a crime?
[32:12.260 --> 32:15.260]  You know, that's the way it should be.
[32:15.260 --> 32:17.260]  The state prosecutor shouldn't have the monopoly on it
[32:17.260 --> 32:22.260]  because if the prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute the case, then you have all kinds of problems.
[32:22.260 --> 32:24.260]  You've got to file criminal charges against the prosecutor,
[32:24.260 --> 32:27.260]  and it's just like pulling teeth to get the case prosecuted.
[32:27.260 --> 32:31.260]  So that's something that is a definite problem that needs to be resolved.
[32:31.260 --> 32:36.260]  But in the meantime, we're talking about this state nullification issue.
[32:36.260 --> 32:41.260]  So Eddie, what are your thoughts here on state nullification?
[32:41.260 --> 32:44.260]  Well, I mean, I've said it over and over and over again
[32:44.260 --> 32:47.260]  that the Constitution restricts government.
[32:47.260 --> 32:50.260]  It does not restrict people.
[32:50.260 --> 32:53.260]  It was never intended to do that.
[32:53.260 --> 32:55.260]  And as our guest aptly noted, you know,
[32:55.260 --> 33:00.260]  we don't look to the Constitution to see what we can do.
[33:00.260 --> 33:04.260]  That was never its intent or its purpose.
[33:04.260 --> 33:14.260]  And so where we have failed ourselves for the most part is keeping government bound to that same objective.
[33:14.260 --> 33:17.260]  And I mean, what they're doing now with the health care bill
[33:17.260 --> 33:24.260]  and all these other things they're doing is perfect examples of just how ludicrous they have become
[33:24.260 --> 33:32.260]  in their obsession to control everything and everyone absent any lawful authority to do so.
[33:32.260 --> 33:34.260]  Absolutely.
[33:34.260 --> 33:37.260]  And folks, if you'd like more information on the symposium tomorrow,
[33:37.260 --> 33:45.260]  the We Texans Pillars of Liberty Symposium, you can go to wetexans.com and get more information on that.
[33:45.260 --> 33:50.260]  And folks, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984,
[33:50.260 --> 33:54.260]  and also I need to mention that we don't have Randy with us tonight.
[33:54.260 --> 33:58.260]  He is giving a seminar out on the West Coast in San Diego,
[33:58.260 --> 34:01.260]  and so he will not be able to join us this evening.
[34:01.260 --> 34:03.260]  Unfortunately, there was a scheduling conflict.
[34:03.260 --> 34:08.260]  He tried to get his seminars, his two-day seminar on mortgage fraud scheduled over the weekend,
[34:08.260 --> 34:09.260]  but was not able to do it.
[34:09.260 --> 34:11.260]  He had to do it on a Friday and Saturday night.
[34:11.260 --> 34:15.260]  So instead of running an archive, you've got Eddie and I live for the rest of the evening.
[34:15.260 --> 34:22.260]  So folks, please call in 512-646-1984.
[34:22.260 --> 34:29.260]  And Eddie, I wanted to get your take also on an issue that is very important to Tom
[34:29.260 --> 34:32.260]  that we did not have a chance to get into tonight.
[34:32.260 --> 34:37.260]  I want to get into that with him on the next show that we have him on as a guest,
[34:37.260 --> 34:41.260]  and that is concerning repealing the 17th Amendment.
[34:41.260 --> 34:49.260]  Now, a lot of folks may not know what the 17th Amendment is or what it's all about or why should it be repealed.
[34:49.260 --> 34:52.260]  Okay, because most of us are focused on the Bill of Rights
[34:52.260 --> 34:56.260]  and these 10th Amendment issues that are, of course, very important,
[34:56.260 --> 35:01.260]  state nullification and stuff like that that seems to be at the forefront of the liberty movement these days.
[35:01.260 --> 35:05.260]  But 17th Amendment is very, very critical.
[35:05.260 --> 35:11.260]  Now, what happened with the 17th Amendment is it changed the Constitution.
[35:11.260 --> 35:16.260]  Originally, the federal Constitution was set up so that the state governments
[35:16.260 --> 35:21.260]  would appoint the U.S. senators by some kind of means.
[35:21.260 --> 35:29.260]  And it was the state governments that would basically choose the senators to represent the states.
[35:29.260 --> 35:34.260]  And the House of Representatives represented we, the people,
[35:34.260 --> 35:43.260]  whereas the Senate represents the states, literally, the state governments, the actual entity of the states.
[35:43.260 --> 35:53.260]  Well, somewhere along the line, the bad guys got the bright idea to pitch the lie to the public
[35:53.260 --> 36:00.260]  that we would have more representation and better representation and more accurate representation of we, the people
[36:00.260 --> 36:06.260]  if we could make up the 17th Amendment and change the Constitution
[36:06.260 --> 36:13.260]  so that the senators would be elected at large by we, the people, just like the House reps,
[36:13.260 --> 36:20.260]  bypassing the state governments, appointing them because, oh, wow, how could we have control over our senators
[36:20.260 --> 36:22.260]  if we don't get to vote for them?
[36:22.260 --> 36:24.260]  Why, we have to be able to vote for them.
[36:24.260 --> 36:30.260]  We can't let the state governments appoint the senators because, well, that bypasses the will of the people somehow.
[36:30.260 --> 36:38.260]  Well, the public bought it, hook, line, and sinker, and probably through some election fraud as well, I would imagine.
[36:38.260 --> 36:41.260]  The 17th Amendment was passed.
[36:41.260 --> 36:46.260]  We're changing the Constitution so that now the senators are elected at large.
[36:46.260 --> 36:54.260]  And it has just recently come to my attention just how dangerous of a practice this is
[36:54.260 --> 37:04.260]  and just how unbelievably evil it is and how it does everything but allow we, the people, to have our voice heard in government.
[37:04.260 --> 37:08.260]  What it does is basically it abolishes the states' rights.
[37:08.260 --> 37:17.260]  It takes away the power of the states themselves to have a voice in the federal government, okay?
[37:17.260 --> 37:28.260]  The reason that it was set up for the state governments to appoint senators was so that if the senators started acting up
[37:28.260 --> 37:34.260]  and getting out of control and getting bought off by special interests and corporate interests and bankers
[37:34.260 --> 37:42.260]  and things like this and doing things contrary to what is good for the people and good for states' rights,
[37:42.260 --> 37:49.260]  then the state governments could pull the senators at any point in time at the drop of a hat.
[37:49.260 --> 37:58.260]  You didn't have to wait years and years and years for the next election cycle to come around in order to get the bums out
[37:58.260 --> 38:01.260]  while that much more damage would be done.
[38:01.260 --> 38:02.260]  I mean, think about it, people.
[38:02.260 --> 38:08.260]  The senators are only changed over once every six years, all right?
[38:08.260 --> 38:19.260]  And so that was the way that the states would have a voice in the federal government to protect the states' rights above all else,
[38:19.260 --> 38:25.260]  to protect the states from federal intrusion into the states' business, period,
[38:25.260 --> 38:33.260]  because the senators were constantly beholden to the state governors and to the state legislatures
[38:33.260 --> 38:38.260]  because they knew they had to stay on their toes all the time.
[38:38.260 --> 38:44.260]  If they made one false move, the governor would pull them and they would appoint a different one.
[38:44.260 --> 38:48.260]  But now they're elected at large, so now they can do whatever they want
[38:48.260 --> 38:54.260]  and they're totally bought off by the bankers and the corporate interests, and look at what we've got.
[38:54.260 --> 39:03.260]  If you look at the situation today, we the people have almost no control over our Senate at all.
[39:03.260 --> 39:08.260]  And especially now that we've got the black box voting, it's almost hopeless.
[39:08.260 --> 39:11.260]  It's almost hopeless to try to get anywhere with your senator.
[39:11.260 --> 39:23.260]  Jerry has been calling, writing to both our state senators, we call her Kay Bailout Hutchinson and John Cronian, okay?
[39:23.260 --> 39:25.260]  And we get nowhere with them.
[39:25.260 --> 39:29.260]  Most of the time the phone is either busy or it just rings and rings and rings.
[39:29.260 --> 39:32.260]  You can't even leave a message.
[39:32.260 --> 39:34.260]  Nobody returns emails.
[39:34.260 --> 39:35.260]  You write letters.
[39:35.260 --> 39:37.260]  You may get a form letter back.
[39:37.260 --> 39:42.260]  Our federal senators are completely untouchable.
[39:42.260 --> 39:48.260]  We have marginal, maybe negligible control over our House reps.
[39:48.260 --> 39:53.260]  But this is the reason why I believe the 17th Amendment needs to be repealed.
[39:53.260 --> 39:59.260]  And I've had a long talk with Michael Badnerich about this, about how could this practically go about?
[39:59.260 --> 40:07.260]  Well, it would take three-fourths of the states, he said, to basically come,
[40:07.260 --> 40:12.260]  they could get an amendment going to repeal the 17th Amendment on their own,
[40:12.260 --> 40:16.260]  or it could start within the federal legislature.
[40:16.260 --> 40:19.260]  So which is easier?
[40:19.260 --> 40:26.260]  Well, if the states get set up with this crapola enough and people start to get educated enough,
[40:26.260 --> 40:37.260]  maybe we can start pushing our state legislatures to pass resolutions to repeal the 17th Amendment
[40:37.260 --> 40:39.260]  and get this more widespread into the public.
[40:39.260 --> 40:42.260]  So that's my little discussion on the 17th Amendment.
[40:42.260 --> 40:45.260]  What do you have to say about it, Eddie?
[40:45.260 --> 40:53.260]  Well, the 17th Amendment was put into place in 1913, and we all know what came about originally in 1913.
[40:53.260 --> 40:56.260]  That was when the Federal Reserve was created.
[40:56.260 --> 41:03.260]  It was also when the 16th Amendment was set up.
[41:03.260 --> 41:05.260]  But now here's the other problem with it.
[41:05.260 --> 41:17.260]  This is what I have for the Constitution is I have a Word document that is the actual U.S. Senate reference copy of the United States Constitution.
[41:17.260 --> 41:22.260]  And for all of you with the traffic seminar, it is in the resources folder.
[41:22.260 --> 41:27.260]  But this is what the Senate reference comments are on this particular amendment.
[41:27.260 --> 41:31.260]  The original system of having state legislatures elect U.S. senators
[41:31.260 --> 41:35.260]  began to break down with the growth of political parties in the mid-19th century.
[41:35.260 --> 41:40.260]  See, folks, just another reason why it's not supposed to be a two-party system.
[41:40.260 --> 41:48.260]  Disagreements between and within parties produced deadlocks that delayed state legislative business
[41:48.260 --> 41:53.260]  and left states without their full Senate representation, often for lengthy periods.
[41:53.260 --> 42:01.260]  This amendment provides for senators to be elected the way members of the House are by direct election of the people.
[42:01.260 --> 42:07.260]  Now, if any of you are in Texas that are listening to us right now,
[42:07.260 --> 42:15.260]  you are completely aware of the problem that Texas has with its senators and its representatives in Washington.
[42:15.260 --> 42:26.260]  They are self-profiteering, self-motivated, rich, greedy, oligarchical individuals
[42:26.260 --> 42:36.260]  that could care less about what the people of this country deserve or are entitled to as a matter of right,
[42:36.260 --> 42:41.260]  most of all which is to have the government leave them alone.
[42:41.260 --> 42:46.260]  Kay Bellout Hutchinson, as Deborah likes to call her, is a prime example of that.
[42:46.260 --> 42:55.260]  This woman has never served anyone but her own interests, not as senator nor as governor of Texas.
[42:55.260 --> 43:02.260]  The best thing about this woman will be the day she quits politics entirely.
[43:02.260 --> 43:06.260]  And I can't say much for any of the rest of them from Texas,
[43:06.260 --> 43:11.260]  with one given exception with whom we're all familiar, and that's Ron Paul.
[43:11.260 --> 43:22.260]  So for what it's worth, I completely agree that the 17th Amendment was an in-run around the people's ability to have direct representation.
[43:22.260 --> 43:33.260]  And the entire government business that was being obstructed were by those that were trying to circumvent the rights of the people in the first place,
[43:33.260 --> 43:40.260]  and they were being obstructed by the representatives that were in place at the time.
[43:40.260 --> 43:44.260]  Well, I honestly feel that's why it was done away with.
[43:44.260 --> 43:46.260]  Anyway, it sounds like we're going to break.
[43:46.260 --> 43:48.260]  This is Rule of Law Radio.
[43:48.260 --> 43:50.260]  Granny Kelton has the night off.
[43:50.260 --> 44:00.260]  Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, y'all just hang in there, folks, and we will be right back.
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[45:20.260 --> 45:40.260]  Okay, folks, we are back, and we decided that since this past Monday night we had Dave Champion on,
[45:40.260 --> 45:45.260]  we decided to make tonight is going to be traffic night this week since Randy is not here.
[45:45.260 --> 45:53.260]  So, folks, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984 to ask Eddie or myself questions about traffic,
[45:53.260 --> 45:56.260]  mainly Eddie, he's the traffic expert.
[45:56.260 --> 45:59.260]  So, folks, 512-646-1984.
[45:59.260 --> 46:10.260]  And also, folks, the listener line, if you just want to listen, is 512-485-9010.
[46:10.260 --> 46:11.260]  That's just to listen.
[46:11.260 --> 46:17.260]  512-646-1984 is to call in to talk with us live on the air.
[46:17.260 --> 46:23.260]  And if you're out there listening on the airwaves on an AM or FM affiliate of ours,
[46:23.260 --> 46:26.260]  we have about 20 AM and FM affiliates around the country,
[46:26.260 --> 46:35.260]  please also tune in to ruleoflawradio.com and pull the strings so we can get our numbers up on Shoutcast.
[46:35.260 --> 46:37.260]  All right, we've got open phone lines right now.
[46:37.260 --> 46:42.260]  And in the meantime, I just want to make one more little comment about the 17th Amendment issue, Eddie.
[46:42.260 --> 46:49.260]  I think the fact that the 17th Amendment was passed in 1913 just says it all, okay?
[46:49.260 --> 46:53.260]  The bankers wanted to be able to buy off the Senate.
[46:53.260 --> 46:56.260]  And that's when the Federal Reserve came into existence.
[46:56.260 --> 47:00.260]  And, folks, if you think about it, that's exactly what has happened ever since.
[47:00.260 --> 47:02.260]  The bankers control the Senate.
[47:02.260 --> 47:05.260]  The bankers control the whole government right now.
[47:05.260 --> 47:14.260]  I mean, every single one of Obama's appointees worked for Goldman Sachs, okay, just about every single one.
[47:14.260 --> 47:17.260]  And every single one for sure, hundreds on the list.
[47:17.260 --> 47:19.260]  He's even made up new positions.
[47:19.260 --> 47:28.260]  They all either Bilderberg members or Trilateral Commission or Council on Foreign Relations or a combination of the three.
[47:28.260 --> 47:32.260]  All right, so that tells you where we are at today.
[47:32.260 --> 47:34.260]  We've got to get the bankers out.
[47:34.260 --> 47:38.260]  We have to get them routed out, as Andrew Jackson said.
[47:38.260 --> 47:49.260]  All right, I wanted to go over this article here, Eddie, see what you think about this talk about crazy laws.
[47:49.260 --> 47:57.260]  And I'm sure that Bruno Brewiler would appreciate this one concerning the eye rolling,
[47:57.260 --> 48:04.260]  the fact that he got thrown out and apparently charged because he rolled his eyes in the courtroom.
[48:04.260 --> 48:08.260]  Well, this looks like it's becoming more of a common occurrence.
[48:08.260 --> 48:11.260]  Officials don't like the eye rolling.
[48:11.260 --> 48:16.260]  And I've come across this article at The Consumerist.
[48:16.260 --> 48:20.260]  An Illinois town wants to outlaw eye rolling.
[48:20.260 --> 48:22.260]  See what you think about this, Eddie.
[48:22.260 --> 48:23.260]  Okay, I'm going to read the article.
[48:23.260 --> 48:24.260]  It's pretty short.
[48:24.260 --> 48:30.260]  Next time you're in line at the grocery store and you roll your eyes at the person with two carts full of items,
[48:30.260 --> 48:35.260]  refusing to leave the 10 items or fewer line, you might be in trouble with the law,
[48:35.260 --> 48:38.260]  at least if you live in Elmhurst, Illinois.
[48:38.260 --> 48:45.260]  Officials of the Chicago suburb are looking into finding a way of putting an end to the practice by legal means.
[48:45.260 --> 48:53.260]  The idiocracy stems from a recent city council meeting where an Elmhurst resident was ejected from the room
[48:53.260 --> 48:58.260]  after rolling her eyes in reaction to something that was said by a council member.
[48:58.260 --> 49:03.260]  Members of the Elmhurst city council have asked the city attorney to look into the creation of a,
[49:03.260 --> 49:08.260]  quote, disturbance and disorderly conduct, end quote, violation,
[49:08.260 --> 49:13.260]  and to see if eye rolling could somehow be shoehorned into its definition.
[49:13.260 --> 49:19.260]  Sorry folks, I can already keep from laughing while reading this article.
[49:19.260 --> 49:24.260]  Illinois state law defines disorderly conduct is an act, quote,
[49:24.260 --> 49:32.260]  an act in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another or to provoke a breach of the peace.
[49:32.260 --> 49:36.260]  While she apparently is against a prohibition on eye rolling,
[49:36.260 --> 49:44.260]  the Elmhurst citizen who was booted from the meeting says she's all for having a definition of disorderly conduct in the city's books.
[49:44.260 --> 49:50.260]  Quote, I'd like for them, the city officials, to have a better understanding of the Open Meetings Act
[49:50.260 --> 49:56.260]  and its meaning and to understand what disorderly conduct is, she explained.
[49:56.260 --> 50:02.260]  As for the city attorney who is slated to report back to the council on his findings on January 26th,
[50:02.260 --> 50:08.260]  he seems doubtful that rude behavior at a city council meeting should be an issue for law enforcement.
[50:08.260 --> 50:15.260]  Quote, it's not in any way punishable offense by a fine, he said, it's a matter of decorum.
[50:15.260 --> 50:16.260]  What do you think?
[50:16.260 --> 50:24.260]  At what point does eye rolling and such behavior cross the line and become something that could be considered disorderly conduct?
[50:24.260 --> 50:31.260]  Okay folks, so this is how bad, this is how out of control our governments have gotten,
[50:31.260 --> 50:39.260]  that they actually want to pass laws to prohibit eye rolling at city council members, at city council meetings.
[50:39.260 --> 50:40.260]  Go ahead.
[50:40.260 --> 50:43.260]  Yeah, they've been doing stupid stuff like that for a while.
[50:43.260 --> 50:51.260]  For instance, it's considered assault to talk loudly or aggressively to a police officer,
[50:51.260 --> 51:00.260]  but it's not considered an assault for that same police officer to accost you or manhandle you in any way, shape, or form.
[51:00.260 --> 51:02.260]  We're living in a double standard society.
[51:02.260 --> 51:11.260]  Those that think they have the right and the authority to make the rest of us do whatever they want, how they want, when they want.
[51:11.260 --> 51:15.260]  And it doesn't matter whether it's a city councilman, who this one in particular,
[51:15.260 --> 51:26.260]  I'd really like to just hand them a rope and tell them to take a walk in the park and find the best looking tree they can and use it appropriately.
[51:26.260 --> 51:33.260]  But the simple fact of the matter is the government's way beyond out of control.
[51:33.260 --> 51:39.260]  They have become completely sadistic in their treatment of citizens.
[51:39.260 --> 51:44.260]  They believe that all the power is theirs instead of the other way around.
[51:44.260 --> 51:46.260]  Absolutely.
[51:46.260 --> 51:53.260]  That's exactly what I've gotten sick and tired of and why I do what I do and why I'm not putting up with it anymore.
[51:53.260 --> 51:57.260]  Yeah, and all the city council members that are pushing for this,
[51:57.260 --> 52:03.260]  they all need to be ousted at the next earliest possible convenience.
[52:03.260 --> 52:06.260]  I mean, they need to be voted out of there.
[52:06.260 --> 52:16.260]  They need to be run out of town on a rail for even considering passing some kind of a law to ban rolling your eyes.
[52:16.260 --> 52:19.260]  I mean, I cannot believe this article is real.
[52:19.260 --> 52:23.260]  I mean, when you read the comments on the article, people are like, this is a joke, right?
[52:23.260 --> 52:24.260]  This isn't from the onion, is it?
[52:24.260 --> 52:25.260]  It's from the onion.
[52:25.260 --> 52:26.260]  It has to be.
[52:26.260 --> 52:28.260]  No, folks, it's not from an onion.
[52:28.260 --> 52:31.260]  I mean, that's what's happening.
[52:31.260 --> 52:34.260]  So, all right, we do have some callers on the line.
[52:34.260 --> 52:36.260]  We've got Gary from Texas.
[52:36.260 --> 52:38.260]  Gary, thanks for calling in.
[52:38.260 --> 52:39.260]  What's on your mind tonight?
[52:39.260 --> 52:40.260]  Hey, good evening.
[52:40.260 --> 52:45.260]  Hey, guess what 5,000 of your listeners just did when they heard you read that story?
[52:45.260 --> 52:46.260]  What?
[52:46.260 --> 52:49.260]  We all wrote it.
[52:49.260 --> 52:50.260]  Good.
[52:50.260 --> 52:52.260]  It's ridiculous.
[52:52.260 --> 52:59.260]  Hey, the reason I'm calling is to ask, on behalf of a friend of mine who's listening,
[52:59.260 --> 53:07.260]  but he's just too shy to get on the phone, I wondered if you would tell in kind of flowchart format
[53:07.260 --> 53:16.260]  what a man should do if he gets a citation in the mail for a red light camera.
[53:16.260 --> 53:18.260]  Would this be in Texas?
[53:18.260 --> 53:21.260]  This would be in the great state of Texas.
[53:21.260 --> 53:22.260]  Okay.
[53:22.260 --> 53:23.260]  Eddie, that's your department.
[53:23.260 --> 53:30.260]  What I'd like to do if it's okay is I want to hang up and just listen to what Eddie says if that's okay.
[53:30.260 --> 53:31.260]  All right.
[53:31.260 --> 53:32.260]  Thanks for the question, Gary.
[53:32.260 --> 53:34.260]  Well, where was it given?
[53:34.260 --> 53:45.260]  It was given in Balcony Heights, which is an incorporated city within the city of San Antonio.
[53:45.260 --> 53:51.260]  Eddie just got a bill that says here you owe us $75, here's your picture, blah, blah, blah.
[53:51.260 --> 53:54.260]  Okay.
[53:54.260 --> 54:03.260]  Well, first thing is I would find out who the camera company was that issued the photo citation.
[54:03.260 --> 54:09.260]  And then you'd need to find out whether or not that particular company is licensed to operate
[54:09.260 --> 54:13.260]  as an investigative company within Texas through the Secretary of State.
[54:13.260 --> 54:17.260]  If they are not licensed as such, they have a real problem.
[54:17.260 --> 54:18.260]  You said something interesting.
[54:18.260 --> 54:26.260]  Is it the manufacturer or the servicer of the camera that issues a citation?
[54:26.260 --> 54:28.260]  That is correct.
[54:28.260 --> 54:36.260]  Very rarely will the operator and maintenance and care of those cameras be entrusted to the local municipalities.
[54:36.260 --> 54:40.260]  It is almost always in the hands of an out-of-state company.
[54:40.260 --> 54:47.260]  And there aren't but somewhere between five and nine of them total in all of the U.S.
[54:47.260 --> 54:48.260]  My goodness.
[54:48.260 --> 54:56.260]  But in any case, it has been shown that they are absolutely illegal.
[54:56.260 --> 54:59.260]  You do not have the ability to face your accuser.
[54:59.260 --> 55:05.260]  It is an administrative determination of guilt, not a judicial determination.
[55:05.260 --> 55:10.260]  And that by any legal definition constitutes a bill of attainder.
[55:10.260 --> 55:20.260]  There has already been rulings in Texas stating very clearly that red light cameras are illegal in the manner
[55:20.260 --> 55:29.260]  that the company operating them is doing so without the investigator's license under the occupations code.
[55:29.260 --> 55:36.260]  And I believe that is Section 1701 or 1702 of the occupations code.
[55:36.260 --> 55:43.260]  But in any case, I would have to look them up, Gary.
[55:43.260 --> 55:44.260]  I don't know what they are off.
[55:44.260 --> 55:52.260]  We had one of the gentlemen that was the attorney, the brother, the attorney brother of one of the folks that got it banned.
[55:52.260 --> 55:55.260]  What city was it in, Deborah?
[55:55.260 --> 55:57.260]  It was in College Station.
[55:57.260 --> 55:58.260]  That was about a month ago.
[55:58.260 --> 56:01.260]  Well, these gentlemen have now made it a practice.
[56:01.260 --> 56:04.260]  This is what they do is help cities.
[56:04.260 --> 56:07.260]  They're in Houston right now.
[56:07.260 --> 56:10.260]  And yeah, they helped Jim Ash.
[56:10.260 --> 56:12.260]  This is the Kubosh brothers.
[56:12.260 --> 56:20.260]  They helped Jim Ash get the red light cameras banned in College Station, and they're working on it in Houston right now.
[56:20.260 --> 56:24.260]  In fact, one of the brothers won a case.
[56:24.260 --> 56:32.260]  I think the brother who was the attorney helped his brother who was not an attorney, and he won a case in 95.
[56:32.260 --> 56:35.260]  That's how long these people have been fighting red light cameras.
[56:35.260 --> 56:40.260]  And he won his case against the red light cameras.
[56:40.260 --> 56:46.260]  However, he was not granted his injunctive relief, which was to get them banned in Houston.
[56:46.260 --> 56:52.260]  And so now they're trying to take a political angle against it to get them voted out.
[56:52.260 --> 56:53.260]  Interesting.
[56:53.260 --> 57:00.260]  Well, the one argument that I have yet to see anyone make against these is a bill of attainder argument.
[57:00.260 --> 57:13.260]  And in any legal definition, I can find every element that constitutes a bill of attainder is there.
[57:13.260 --> 57:22.260]  In the interest of time, should he – because here's a little ploy that they did.
[57:22.260 --> 57:34.260]  They said that he had to reply by the 20th of the month, but it wasn't even received until yesterday, the 22nd.
[57:34.260 --> 57:39.260]  And so he had no time to formulate any type of timely reply, et cetera, et cetera.
[57:39.260 --> 57:41.260]  When was it postmarked?
[57:41.260 --> 57:44.260]  I didn't ask, and that is a question that I will get.
[57:44.260 --> 57:48.260]  But it's one scam stacked on top of another.
[57:48.260 --> 57:50.260]  That's all these things are.
[57:50.260 --> 57:52.260]  Oh, yes, that's exactly what it is.
[57:52.260 --> 57:53.260]  Yes.
[57:53.260 --> 58:01.260]  The thing you want to notice about the postmark is where was it mailed from, where is he told to send the fine, so on and so forth.
[58:01.260 --> 58:06.260]  That will give you the information to determine who is actually running that camera,
[58:06.260 --> 58:17.260]  because almost always the fine is to be mailed to the company that runs the camera, whereas the charge is being instituted by the locality.
[58:17.260 --> 58:21.260]  And personally, I have a severe problem with that as well.
[58:21.260 --> 58:22.260]  Yeah, me too.
[58:22.260 --> 58:25.260]  But maybe we'll be able to get the Kubach brothers on again.
[58:25.260 --> 58:28.260]  If you'll hang on, Gary, we'll go over this in just a few more minutes on the other side.
[58:28.260 --> 58:29.260]  Thank you, Eddie.
[58:29.260 --> 58:30.260]  Okay.
[58:30.260 --> 58:31.260]  All right.
[58:31.260 --> 58:32.260]  Yeah, just hang on, Gary.
[58:32.260 --> 58:35.260]  And we've also got Janet from Texas and then Danny from Illinois.
[58:35.260 --> 58:42.260]  So, folks, if you would just hang on through the top of the hour break, we'll be getting to your calls as soon as possible on the other side.
[58:42.260 --> 58:47.260]  Janet said she has one quick question for us, and we'll take Janet after Gary, and then we'll go to Danny.
[58:47.260 --> 58:57.260]  Folks, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984 to talk live on the air, if you just want to listen, 512-485-9010.
[58:57.260 --> 59:00.260]  We'll be right back.
[59:00.260 --> 59:09.260]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy, and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[59:09.260 --> 59:12.260]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[59:12.260 --> 59:13.260]  Brave New Books?
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[59:20.260 --> 59:24.260]  They even stock Interfood, Berkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[59:24.260 --> 59:26.260]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[59:26.260 --> 59:28.260]  Go check it out for yourself.
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[59:32.260 --> 59:36.260]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[59:36.260 --> 59:44.260]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK Parking Facility, just behind the bookstore.
[59:44.260 --> 59:47.260]  It does exist, but when are they open?
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[01:00:00.260 --> 01:00:04.260]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:00:04.260 --> 01:00:10.260]  The African Union says its peacekeepers are indiscriminately shelling residential areas of Somalia's capital.
[01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:19.260]  The evaluation was made months before Somali terrorists claimed responsibility for the twin bombings that killed 76 people in Uganda last week,
[01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:25.260]  avenging civilian deaths caused by AU soldiers in Mogadishu.
[01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:31.260]  The information war over the natural gas drilling practice, called fracking, is heating up,
[01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:37.260]  as filmmaker Josh Fox responds to an industry attempt to debunk his hit film, Gasland.
[01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:46.260]  The film exposes the environmental and health dangers associated with largely unregulated hydraulic fracturing practices, or fracking.
[01:00:46.260 --> 01:00:55.260]  Energy analyst Matt Simmons predicts the ultimate cleanup cost for the BP oil disaster would likely be well over $1 trillion,
[01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.260]  and that BP's stock will fall to $1.
[01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:05.260]  Simmons also alleges there is a cover-up between the administration and BP.
[01:01:05.260 --> 01:01:13.260]  One of the poorest cities in Los Angeles County has come under public scrutiny for paying its top officials some of the highest salaries in the nation,
[01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:19.260]  including $787,000 a year for Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo.
[01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:22.260]  The Los Angeles Times report Rizzo was unapologetic, saying,
[01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:29.260]  I could go into private business and make that money. Bell Mayor Oscar Hernandez defended the salaries,
[01:01:29.260 --> 01:01:36.260]  noting their city was near bankruptcy when Rizzo came aboard. Since then he has put Bell on the sound financial footing.
[01:01:36.260 --> 01:01:42.260]  Bell made headlines recently when the city agreed to take over operations of the neighboring city of Maywood,
[01:01:42.260 --> 01:01:46.260]  which fired its employees and disbanded its police department.
[01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:56.260]  The LA District Attorney's Office is investigating Bell over the hefty compensation amounts, including $100,000 a year payments for part-time positions.
[01:01:56.260 --> 01:02:02.260]  Council members in a city the size of Bell are normally paid about $400 a month.
[01:02:02.260 --> 01:02:11.260]  Government watchdogs told a Senate panel Wednesday the Obama administration's effort to help homeowners avoid foreclosure isn't working,
[01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:14.260]  and the Treasury Department has failed to fix the program.
[01:02:14.260 --> 01:02:20.260]  Special Inspector General Neil Borowski said the program has not put an appreciable dent in foreclosure filings,
[01:02:20.260 --> 01:02:26.260]  adding the Treasury Department ignored earlier demands to set clearer goals for the program.
[01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:30.260]  Elizabeth Warren, who chairs a separate Congressional oversight panel on the bailouts,
[01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:36.260]  said Treasury's failure to act more quickly could be hurting the economic recovery.
[01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:43.260]  The homeownership program aims to reduce mortgage payments for millions of homeowners who can't afford their monthly bills.
[01:02:43.260 --> 01:02:48.260]  Recent data suggests it has helped about 400,000 households avoid foreclosure.
[01:02:48.260 --> 01:03:14.260]  About 530,000 have fallen out of the program.
[01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:26.260]  This all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:33.260]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly
[01:03:33.260 --> 01:03:42.260]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:49.260]  I won't pay for the war with my body Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money
[01:03:49.260 --> 01:03:56.260]  I won't pay for the fun with my body Their plans wicked and their logic shoddy
[01:03:56.260 --> 01:04:03.260]  Ain't gonna pay for the oil with my body I won't pay for the boys with my money
[01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:10.260]  Ain't gonna pay for the kids with my body The whole agenda smells funny
[01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:23.260]  I wanna fight in a war of my own That one would be less active than a pro
[01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:37.260]  I wanna pay for a war of my own They live in glass houses so I can watch them grow old
[01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:43.260]  I wanna fight in a war I can win I can never win no one and they got me in
[01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:50.260]  That one I lose long before it begins I wanna pay for a war I can win
[01:04:50.260 --> 01:05:04.260]  When I'm fighting in my own war It's such a peaceful feeling
[01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:21.260]  When I'm paying for my own war I take time for the healing
[01:05:21.260 --> 01:05:28.260]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:37.260]  All right, folks, we are back and Eddie, you were finishing up with Gary concerning the red light camera issue
[01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:42.260]  and then we're gonna go to Janet, then Danny, and then Mark. Go ahead, Eddie.
[01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:47.260]  Yeah, the first thing you want to do is take a look at the envelope and the ticket.
[01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:52.260]  Where was it mailed from? What day was it mailed? Where is the payment going back to?
[01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:58.260]  Who allegedly is responsible for the hearing that you're going to?
[01:05:58.260 --> 01:06:08.260]  How does an out-of-state entity set up a local hearing in a local court if the out-of-state entity has no standing to appear in court?
[01:06:08.260 --> 01:06:15.260]  Does the local entity have a license to act as a private investigator within the borders of Texas as required by Texas law?
[01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:25.260]  Is the entity a corporation and is that corporation registered with the Texas Secretary of State as a foreign corporation as required by law?
[01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:30.260]  There is so many ways to go after these guys it's not even funny.
[01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:36.260]  But the most basic aspect and principle is you're being denied the right to face your accuser,
[01:06:36.260 --> 01:06:42.260]  which one of the cases in Texas has already said is the reason they're not allowed to begin with and why they won't hold up.
[01:06:42.260 --> 01:06:50.260]  And from everything I've researched, despite what some of the judges want to call a bill of attainder,
[01:06:50.260 --> 01:07:00.260]  the historical case history shows that these things meet every requisite of a bill of attainder.
[01:07:00.260 --> 01:07:10.260]  Very interesting. So this is actually an easy win. That's what I'm getting from you.
[01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:14.260]  Well, never say easy win when you're dealing with a crooked municipal judge.
[01:07:14.260 --> 01:07:19.260]  And that's exactly who you're dealing with in these red light camera tickets.
[01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:22.260]  Well, at least on the appellate level then, huh?
[01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:30.260]  No, that's the problem. The legislature wrote it right into this where you don't have to be given an appeal,
[01:07:30.260 --> 01:07:37.260]  which is another reason why it's strictly an administrative process and not a judicial one.
[01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:40.260]  Which is another reason why it's a bill of attainder.
[01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:41.260]  Right.
[01:07:41.260 --> 01:07:45.260]  Right. Now here is their biggest, most profound issue.
[01:07:45.260 --> 01:07:55.260]  In every city in Texas, the red light cameras are enforced via city ordinance, not state law.
[01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:59.260]  And we all know what the problem with a city ordinance is, don't we?
[01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:00.260]  Yes.
[01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:10.260]  It is a violation of Article 3, Section 29, the enacting clause.
[01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:15.260]  If it is not a law, it is not binding upon the people.
[01:08:15.260 --> 01:08:26.260]  And according to that section of the Constitution, it cannot be a law.
[01:08:26.260 --> 01:08:37.260]  Do you also get into the fact that they'll probably have some hired attorney acting as the prosecutor?
[01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:42.260]  Well, the thing about it is normally there isn't, in at least the cases I've been told about.
[01:08:42.260 --> 01:08:48.260]  Even if there is, it's still going to be the city attorney who still cannot act as an attorney for the state.
[01:08:48.260 --> 01:08:56.260]  Now they can, since you're being charged under a city ordinance, as long as they're charging you under a city ordinance
[01:08:56.260 --> 01:09:04.260]  and the complaint does not say in and by the authority of the state of Texas, then he can represent in that case.
[01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:11.260]  But the problem still is, it's not binding on the people.
[01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:14.260]  So they have no cause of action.
[01:09:14.260 --> 01:09:22.260]  The only way they can do it is to show that it's a civil action, not a criminal, which they did in the statute.
[01:09:22.260 --> 01:09:25.260]  So where's the contract?
[01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:37.260]  There can't be a civil tort without a breach of contract or a harm that they can show.
[01:09:37.260 --> 01:09:46.260]  There are so many ways red light camera issues go beyond anything that's allowable under the Bill of Rights
[01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:52.260]  and the Constitution itself, it's not even funny.
[01:09:52.260 --> 01:10:01.260]  And any judge that had more than two operating brain cells would know this.
[01:10:01.260 --> 01:10:06.260]  But most of them only have the two that say eat and sleep.
[01:10:06.260 --> 01:10:11.260]  That's really very, very good information and I really appreciate it.
[01:10:11.260 --> 01:10:16.260]  And I'll make sure that we get the archives and study this flow that you gave us.
[01:10:16.260 --> 01:10:18.260]  I'm going to help them with it.
[01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:19.260]  All right.
[01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:20.260]  Thanks, Gary.
[01:10:20.260 --> 01:10:21.260]  Yeah, thank you.
[01:10:21.260 --> 01:10:23.260]  Really appreciate it.
[01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:24.260]  You're welcome.
[01:10:24.260 --> 01:10:25.260]  Okay.
[01:10:25.260 --> 01:10:26.260]  We're going now to Janet in Texas.
[01:10:26.260 --> 01:10:27.260]  Janet, thanks for calling in.
[01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:29.260]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:10:29.260 --> 01:10:30.260]  Hi.
[01:10:30.260 --> 01:10:36.260]  I'm really concerned that I keep hearing people say, you know, with good meaning people say let's vote them out.
[01:10:36.260 --> 01:10:37.260]  Let's vote them out.
[01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:43.260]  You know, but that implies that they get to stay in doing bad things and unconstitutional things
[01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:50.260]  and robbing us of our rights for their entire terms only to be reelected by reelections.
[01:10:50.260 --> 01:10:54.260]  But, you know, why can't we, what are our recourses?
[01:10:54.260 --> 01:10:59.260]  Why can't we rewrite these city charters to get them out and make it easier to get them out?
[01:10:59.260 --> 01:11:02.260]  And what are our current recourses to get them out?
[01:11:02.260 --> 01:11:07.260]  You know, our current recourse to get them out is to go through them to get them out.
[01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:14.260]  Well, I know, Janet, that in some cities, the charter, and in some states, there are provisions for recall
[01:11:14.260 --> 01:11:17.260]  where you can recall elected officials.
[01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:21.260]  I don't think we have that here in Texas now.
[01:11:21.260 --> 01:11:25.260]  In the case of the eye rollers, that was in Illinois,
[01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:30.260]  and I don't know if they have recall in that state or in that particular city or not.
[01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:38.260]  Why can't we rewrite our city charters to limit the duties of what we want city people to do?
[01:11:38.260 --> 01:11:40.260]  Well, the thing is we've already done that.
[01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:42.260]  That was done within the Constitution.
[01:11:42.260 --> 01:11:45.260]  That's exactly what it was for.
[01:11:45.260 --> 01:11:52.260]  What we have not done as the people is enforce it upon them and make them abide by it.
[01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:57.260]  They've gotten too complacent with their misappropriation of the duties we gave them
[01:11:57.260 --> 01:12:00.260]  and misapplication of the power and authority we gave them.
[01:12:00.260 --> 01:12:02.260]  That's our fault.
[01:12:02.260 --> 01:12:03.260]  So, yes, it is.
[01:12:03.260 --> 01:12:09.260]  Well, I know that we had in the past, it seems to me that maybe 15 or 20 years ago,
[01:12:09.260 --> 01:12:15.260]  I understood that there was a recall of some of the city council people.
[01:12:15.260 --> 01:12:20.260]  I don't know if we can do that at the state level, but at the city level,
[01:12:20.260 --> 01:12:25.260]  which is what I really started to focus on because I realized that if we can't control what goes on locally,
[01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:28.260]  we don't have a prayer any other place.
[01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:32.260]  That's very true.
[01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:38.260]  The people who do the recall actually just fudge the names and addresses
[01:12:38.260 --> 01:12:49.260]  because the city is the one that's responsible for looking at all the names that you get on the petition for recall.
[01:12:49.260 --> 01:12:56.260]  Yeah, and do not expect a government employee of any kind to do their job.
[01:12:56.260 --> 01:12:58.260]  Not today.
[01:12:58.260 --> 01:13:04.260]  If we're not standing there in front of them with our pitchforks and torches making them do their job,
[01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:07.260]  they're going to continue to operate as a status quo for them.
[01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:09.260]  So what do we do?
[01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:11.260]  I mean, I –
[01:13:11.260 --> 01:13:14.260]  The state constitution says very clearly what we can do.
[01:13:14.260 --> 01:13:22.260]  The people have the right to abolish and reform their government in any manner they deem fit or necessary
[01:13:22.260 --> 01:13:27.260]  when that government becomes injurious to them or their rights.
[01:13:27.260 --> 01:13:32.260]  The problem is getting the people united to make that happen.
[01:13:32.260 --> 01:13:34.260]  I'd like to make it happen.
[01:13:34.260 --> 01:13:41.260]  I'd like to have a meeting at my place of all the people that want to abolish our government and redo it because I –
[01:13:41.260 --> 01:13:46.260]  Janet, I don't know if that's really necessary because if you really read the constitution,
[01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:53.260]  and as Randy calls it, the corpus juris, the body of law that we have, it's actually set up quite well.
[01:13:53.260 --> 01:13:56.260]  And there's only a few minor changes that really need to be made.
[01:13:56.260 --> 01:13:59.260]  We don't really need to throw the whole thing out.
[01:13:59.260 --> 01:14:06.260]  What we need to do is enforce the good law and the good constitution that we already have.
[01:14:06.260 --> 01:14:13.260]  And I've heard of this gentleman, Bill Still, who has this documentary, The Secret of Oz, concerning –
[01:14:13.260 --> 01:14:18.260]  he did the documentary, The Money Masters.
[01:14:18.260 --> 01:14:22.260]  And I've heard him say a few times on some of these radio interviews that he's been on
[01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:27.260]  that we need to have a law that makes it illegal for the government to be in debt.
[01:14:27.260 --> 01:14:34.260]  Well, there's – I kept wanting to call into some of these shows and tell them there's already a law in the books that says that.
[01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:38.260]  All right. It's called HJR 192, which was codified into law.
[01:14:38.260 --> 01:14:41.260]  It wasn't just a house joint resolution.
[01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:49.260]  And it specifically says that no one is allowed to add any more debt or credit into the public bankruptcy, period.
[01:14:49.260 --> 01:14:53.260]  All right. We don't need another law saying that.
[01:14:53.260 --> 01:14:57.260]  What we need to do is enforce the laws that we already have.
[01:14:57.260 --> 01:15:01.260]  And so I don't think that we need to rip up the constitution and start all over.
[01:15:01.260 --> 01:15:03.260]  I don't think we need to rip up the whole corpus juris and start all over.
[01:15:03.260 --> 01:15:10.260]  We need – maybe there needs to be some changes or some amendments or some things repealed, but –
[01:15:10.260 --> 01:15:18.260]  Well, actually, Deborah, I think that that's a misunderstanding of what that particular article of the Constitution actually says.
[01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:25.260]  Remember, it says that we can do it in any form or manner that we the people deem necessary.
[01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:31.260]  We do not have to throw out the Constitution to throw out the people in government that aren't abiding by it.
[01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:38.260]  We don't have to destroy government in its form to get rid of the people that are filling the positions.
[01:15:38.260 --> 01:15:39.260]  Right, right.
[01:15:39.260 --> 01:15:42.260]  Because we can choose how we correct the problem.
[01:15:42.260 --> 01:15:43.260]  Right, right.
[01:15:43.260 --> 01:15:52.260]  And by firing everybody and telling the next people that get in there, obey it or get your tar and feather suit ready.
[01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:55.260]  Get your tar and feather suit ready.
[01:15:55.260 --> 01:15:59.260]  I'm ready.
[01:15:59.260 --> 01:16:04.260]  And believe me, if you wanted to hold a meeting of all the people that are wanting to do this,
[01:16:04.260 --> 01:16:09.260]  you would need 10 compact centers, not your house.
[01:16:09.260 --> 01:16:13.260]  Because I guarantee you there's enough people out there that are sick and tired of this mess.
[01:16:13.260 --> 01:16:17.260]  We'd be able to fill 10 compact centers to overflowing.
[01:16:17.260 --> 01:16:18.260]  All right.
[01:16:18.260 --> 01:16:20.260]  Janet, why don't you make a post on the forum?
[01:16:20.260 --> 01:16:22.260]  And folks, we do have a forum now.
[01:16:22.260 --> 01:16:30.260]  A listener has volunteered to step up and host a forum, ruleoflawradiofan.com.
[01:16:30.260 --> 01:16:35.260]  You'll click on the forum button on ruleoflawradio.com and you can get to that forum.
[01:16:35.260 --> 01:16:39.260]  So, Janet, you maybe want to make a post about that.
[01:16:39.260 --> 01:16:40.260]  All right.
[01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:43.260]  Thank you very much for calling in, Janet.
[01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:44.260]  Okay.
[01:16:44.260 --> 01:16:50.260]  When we get back on the other side, we're going to go to Danny in Illinois and then Mark in Wisconsin.
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[01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:19.260]  All right, we're going to talk to Danny in Illinois now.
[01:19:19.260 --> 01:19:23.260]  Danny, thank you for calling in. What's on your mind?
[01:19:23.260 --> 01:19:30.260]  I got myself in a bit of a jam by not doing something that you guys mention all the time.
[01:19:30.260 --> 01:19:34.260]  I sent in my, I got a couple of tickets,
[01:19:34.260 --> 01:19:39.260]  and I sent in something saying that I was not going to be available for the next month and a half
[01:19:39.260 --> 01:19:44.260]  because I was going well out of town to work.
[01:19:44.260 --> 01:19:48.260]  And by the time I got back, I found out that they already found me guilty,
[01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:51.260]  and they went through with it anyway.
[01:19:51.260 --> 01:19:54.260]  But I can't prove that they actually got the letter.
[01:19:54.260 --> 01:19:59.260]  And I'm just trying to get a little advice on how I should handle this.
[01:19:59.260 --> 01:20:02.260]  I'm going to have to go out on Tuesday.
[01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:06.260]  Is it civil or criminal in the state you're in?
[01:20:06.260 --> 01:20:09.260]  It's civil. It's just the traffic stuff.
[01:20:09.260 --> 01:20:14.260]  Okay, so it's civil. Okay.
[01:20:14.260 --> 01:20:20.260]  So how were you served?
[01:20:20.260 --> 01:20:23.260]  I had to change your address.
[01:20:23.260 --> 01:20:24.260]  No, no, no.
[01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:29.260]  How were you served by the court to make your appearance?
[01:20:29.260 --> 01:20:31.260]  By mail.
[01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:32.260]  Okay.
[01:20:32.260 --> 01:20:37.260]  Are they allowed to serve you civil process by mail only?
[01:20:37.260 --> 01:20:42.260]  Or does it require to be certified mail?
[01:20:42.260 --> 01:20:44.260]  I couldn't say for sure one way or the other.
[01:20:44.260 --> 01:20:46.260]  I mean, that's how they do it all the time.
[01:20:46.260 --> 01:20:50.260]  Okay, so you're saying you haven't read the statutes involved in the issue
[01:20:50.260 --> 01:20:52.260]  you're discussing.
[01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:53.260]  No, I haven't.
[01:20:53.260 --> 01:20:58.260]  I just got back today and I found out that this was all screwed up,
[01:20:58.260 --> 01:21:01.260]  so haven't gotten into that yet.
[01:21:01.260 --> 01:21:02.260]  Okay.
[01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:06.260]  Well, just as an admonishment, first thing is don't ever send anything to them
[01:21:06.260 --> 01:21:09.260]  that's not since certified mail return receipt requested.
[01:21:09.260 --> 01:21:10.260]  Right.
[01:21:10.260 --> 01:21:14.260]  Second thing is don't go to court fighting blind.
[01:21:14.260 --> 01:21:16.260]  Know what you're getting into.
[01:21:16.260 --> 01:21:18.260]  Know what you're being charged with.
[01:21:18.260 --> 01:21:21.260]  Know what the nature of the cause against you is.
[01:21:21.260 --> 01:21:26.260]  And most of all, know what the procedure they are required to follow in every
[01:21:26.260 --> 01:21:29.260]  step of the process is.
[01:21:29.260 --> 01:21:35.260]  When you don't know these things, you will lose because you have no clue how to
[01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:37.260]  fight back.
[01:21:37.260 --> 01:21:38.260]  Right.
[01:21:38.260 --> 01:21:42.260]  So the first thing you need to do is find out just exactly where did they
[01:21:42.260 --> 01:21:46.260]  violate the law from beginning to end of this process.
[01:21:46.260 --> 01:21:49.260]  And you're only going to do that by reading.
[01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:50.260]  Okay.
[01:21:50.260 --> 01:21:54.260]  So you need to look and see what the rules of civil procedure say that they
[01:21:54.260 --> 01:21:57.260]  are required to do and how they're required to do it.
[01:21:57.260 --> 01:22:02.260]  Then you also need to see if there is a specific separate statute dealing with
[01:22:02.260 --> 01:22:05.260]  the citations issued to you.
[01:22:05.260 --> 01:22:10.260]  Now, if this is a civil matter, did they charge you under a state law or an
[01:22:10.260 --> 01:22:13.260]  ordinance?
[01:22:13.260 --> 01:22:16.260]  I believe these are all state laws.
[01:22:16.260 --> 01:22:18.260]  Okay.
[01:22:18.260 --> 01:22:21.260]  If they're under state laws, what are the laws?
[01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:23.260]  Did you read them?
[01:22:23.260 --> 01:22:24.260]  No.
[01:22:24.260 --> 01:22:28.260]  Like I said, I just got back today and I tried to make some phone calls to
[01:22:28.260 --> 01:22:33.260]  look up the oaths and how the place are supposed to be.
[01:22:33.260 --> 01:22:37.260]  Do you not have Internet access where you were?
[01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:39.260]  Not where I was, no.
[01:22:39.260 --> 01:22:41.260]  Okay.
[01:22:41.260 --> 01:22:48.260]  Well, it being a civil matter, the only thing they can do is the next time
[01:22:48.260 --> 01:22:52.260]  you go in to register your automobile or get your license renewed is to give
[01:22:52.260 --> 01:22:56.260]  you flack over that and delay that or deny that.
[01:22:56.260 --> 01:23:00.260]  Being a civil matter, they can't arrest you for it.
[01:23:00.260 --> 01:23:05.260]  But what you need to be researching and finding out as quickly as possible is
[01:23:05.260 --> 01:23:08.260]  where did they screw up in this process?
[01:23:08.260 --> 01:23:14.260]  And until you know that, I can't tell you anything about how to fight back.
[01:23:14.260 --> 01:23:15.260]  Okay.
[01:23:15.260 --> 01:23:20.260]  Well, right now, I tried calling and talking to somebody about it and I told
[01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:22.260]  them, well, I didn't receive your notice.
[01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:25.260]  You're saying you didn't receive mine, so we're kind of in the same position
[01:23:25.260 --> 01:23:28.260]  and that's natural and I didn't get anywhere.
[01:23:28.260 --> 01:23:29.260]  Well, true.
[01:23:29.260 --> 01:23:32.260]  But who did you talk to?
[01:23:32.260 --> 01:23:38.260]  This was just the, I called the clerk originally on the way back from out of
[01:23:38.260 --> 01:23:42.260]  town to let them know that I was coming back into town, that they can reschedule
[01:23:42.260 --> 01:23:43.260]  the court date.
[01:23:43.260 --> 01:23:49.260]  And then she proceeded to tell me that I was found guilty on all counts.
[01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:50.260]  Okay.
[01:23:50.260 --> 01:23:56.260]  Well, that's a problem.
[01:23:56.260 --> 01:24:01.260]  I mean, simply it's a problem for them if you do your homework, okay,
[01:24:01.260 --> 01:24:05.260]  because to convict you in absentia without proper service, the court lacks
[01:24:05.260 --> 01:24:09.260]  jurisdiction without proper service.
[01:24:09.260 --> 01:24:15.260]  So what you need to find out first is were you served as the law requires and
[01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:20.260]  were all of the steps involved in that service and in the proceeding cause of
[01:24:20.260 --> 01:24:24.260]  action followed verbatim?
[01:24:24.260 --> 01:24:26.260]  Okay.
[01:24:26.260 --> 01:24:31.260]  So you need to research that and find out.
[01:24:31.260 --> 01:24:36.260]  Does your, I guess, traffic?
[01:24:36.260 --> 01:24:38.260]  In Texas, they're criminal.
[01:24:38.260 --> 01:24:41.260]  They cannot prosecute you in absentia.
[01:24:41.260 --> 01:24:43.260]  No matter what they want to say, they can't.
[01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:47.260]  It's a criminal charge.
[01:24:47.260 --> 01:24:52.260]  Okay.
[01:24:52.260 --> 01:24:57.260]  Does your traffic seminar tell me where to look for this stuff and so on?
[01:24:57.260 --> 01:24:58.260]  It does in Texas law.
[01:24:58.260 --> 01:25:01.260]  It's not going to tell, where are you?
[01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:03.260]  Illinois.
[01:25:03.260 --> 01:25:07.260]  Yeah, you'd have to take what you know from the traffic seminar and convert
[01:25:07.260 --> 01:25:11.260]  that over to researching the Illinois statutes.
[01:25:11.260 --> 01:25:15.260]  The seminar will tell you how to read a statute and how to dissect it and
[01:25:15.260 --> 01:25:20.260]  understand it and how to further research it, but it's not going to give you
[01:25:20.260 --> 01:25:23.260]  specifics about Illinois law.
[01:25:23.260 --> 01:25:26.260]  That's going to be up to you to come up with.
[01:25:26.260 --> 01:25:27.260]  I see.
[01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:32.260]  You don't have anybody that's like a regular caller that's familiar with
[01:25:32.260 --> 01:25:33.260]  Illinois law, do you?
[01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:37.260]  If we've got any callers out there that are familiar with these issues and
[01:25:37.260 --> 01:25:41.260]  know the statutes and listens to the show and knows how to fight these
[01:25:41.260 --> 01:25:46.260]  things, please send me an email, and if this gentleman will also send me one,
[01:25:46.260 --> 01:25:51.260]  I'll be happy to link you two up so you all can discuss this.
[01:25:51.260 --> 01:25:53.260]  So far that hasn't panned out.
[01:25:53.260 --> 01:25:56.260]  I've had several people say they would do that and no one sent me any
[01:25:56.260 --> 01:25:59.260]  information, and next thing I know I'm getting a nasty email saying,
[01:25:59.260 --> 01:26:01.260]  you never gave me this.
[01:26:01.260 --> 01:26:04.260]  Well, you know, I'm not the amazing Kreskin.
[01:26:04.260 --> 01:26:08.260]  If no one contacts me, I can't link them together.
[01:26:08.260 --> 01:26:10.260]  Right.
[01:26:10.260 --> 01:26:16.260]  So one's just a I didn't have a valid insurance card with me,
[01:26:16.260 --> 01:26:24.260]  so they got me for the insurance and registration and the other one.
[01:26:24.260 --> 01:26:28.260]  I think it was the driver's license.
[01:26:28.260 --> 01:26:32.260]  Well, again, until you learn what the law is and what it says and how it
[01:26:32.260 --> 01:26:36.260]  applies, you're fighting blind.
[01:26:36.260 --> 01:26:37.260]  Okay.
[01:26:37.260 --> 01:26:43.260]  And as much as I wished I could know every state as well as I know Texas on
[01:26:43.260 --> 01:26:45.260]  this subject, I don't.
[01:26:45.260 --> 01:26:47.260]  Right.
[01:26:47.260 --> 01:26:53.260]  I'm supposed to be in on Tuesday, so I guess I have no real choice except to
[01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:58.260]  pay him for now and then try to go back and get him.
[01:26:58.260 --> 01:26:59.260]  Well, no.
[01:26:59.260 --> 01:27:02.260]  Here's a standing rule no matter what state you're in.
[01:27:02.260 --> 01:27:06.260]  If you pay the fine, you're not going to get it back,
[01:27:06.260 --> 01:27:09.260]  and you're not going to get any chance of recovery on it because you've
[01:27:09.260 --> 01:27:15.260]  acquiesced.
[01:27:15.260 --> 01:27:21.260]  That's actually written right into most statutes or in some way that if a
[01:27:21.260 --> 01:27:27.260]  convicted person pays the fine, then there is no remedy short of the court
[01:27:27.260 --> 01:27:31.260]  having zero jurisdiction in the first place.
[01:27:31.260 --> 01:27:35.260]  And unless you are able to do the research and prove the court never
[01:27:35.260 --> 01:27:39.260]  acquired proper jurisdiction, there is not going to be a fight.
[01:27:39.260 --> 01:27:44.260]  You're going to pay it, and that's going to be the end of it.
[01:27:44.260 --> 01:27:47.260]  That's no good.
[01:27:47.260 --> 01:27:49.260]  Not if you're right.
[01:27:49.260 --> 01:27:52.260]  Yeah.
[01:27:52.260 --> 01:27:55.260]  But that's the way the system is rigged, so I just figured you need to be
[01:27:55.260 --> 01:27:58.260]  aware of it.
[01:27:58.260 --> 01:27:59.260]  Okay.
[01:27:59.260 --> 01:28:03.260]  They said the target told me there was a way to, I guess, to bring it all
[01:28:03.260 --> 01:28:05.260]  back up again.
[01:28:05.260 --> 01:28:09.260]  I paid $40 per violation.
[01:28:09.260 --> 01:28:14.260]  And I said, okay, then if I get these tickets thrown out, then I get the
[01:28:14.260 --> 01:28:16.260]  $40 back per violation.
[01:28:16.260 --> 01:28:18.260]  She says, no, you don't get that back.
[01:28:18.260 --> 01:28:19.260]  Exactly.
[01:28:19.260 --> 01:28:24.260]  It's a way for them to get your money regardless.
[01:28:24.260 --> 01:28:25.260]  Right.
[01:28:25.260 --> 01:28:33.260]  That in and of itself makes it a serious issue because that's taking your
[01:28:33.260 --> 01:28:37.260]  money without due process.
[01:28:37.260 --> 01:28:39.260]  That's what I tried to tell her.
[01:28:39.260 --> 01:28:43.260]  I said, I didn't get your notices, and you say you didn't get mine, and I
[01:28:43.260 --> 01:28:45.260]  didn't have my day in court.
[01:28:45.260 --> 01:28:47.260]  I'm supposed to get that.
[01:28:47.260 --> 01:28:50.260]  And she said, well, I can't help you.
[01:28:50.260 --> 01:28:52.260]  Yeah, and they won't.
[01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:59.260]  There's nothing for them to help you with.
[01:28:59.260 --> 01:29:04.260]  So they don't need to get me my day in court then?
[01:29:04.260 --> 01:29:08.260]  Well, not if you're not willing to fight for it and demand it.
[01:29:08.260 --> 01:29:12.260]  But until you know what you're fighting for and against, it's not going to
[01:29:12.260 --> 01:29:15.260]  help you.
[01:29:15.260 --> 01:29:18.260]  No matter how you do this, there is no silver bullet.
[01:29:18.260 --> 01:29:24.260]  It's time to buck up, study up, get smart, and learn the rules.
[01:29:24.260 --> 01:29:28.260]  If you're not willing to do that, give them your money and quit wasting your
[01:29:28.260 --> 01:29:32.260]  time because that's exactly what you're doing.
[01:29:32.260 --> 01:29:34.260]  Okay.
[01:29:34.260 --> 01:29:38.260]  All right, if there's some folks out there that are familiar with Illinois
[01:29:38.260 --> 01:29:41.260]  traffic law, maybe you could call in.
[01:29:41.260 --> 01:29:44.260]  All right, thank you, Danny.
[01:29:44.260 --> 01:29:45.260]  All right, thank you.
[01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:49.260]  Try to read up on the traffic code this weekend so maybe you'll have something
[01:29:49.260 --> 01:29:53.260]  to, you'll be able to have something for them before Tuesday.
[01:29:53.260 --> 01:29:54.260]  All right, thank you.
[01:29:54.260 --> 01:30:00.260]  Okay, we'll be back right after the break.
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[01:31:32.260 --> 01:31:35.260]  We're going to go now to Mark in Wisconsin. Mark, thanks for calling in.
[01:31:35.260 --> 01:31:37.260]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:31:37.260 --> 01:31:41.260]  Hi, yeah, Eddie answered a question for me the other night.
[01:31:41.260 --> 01:31:46.260]  When you're mailing back and forth to an attorney for settlement purposes,
[01:31:46.260 --> 01:31:51.260]  I guess in Wisconsin if you put inadmissible-for-settlement purposes only
[01:31:51.260 --> 01:31:58.260]  at the top of the letter, they can't use that against you in discovery.
[01:31:58.260 --> 01:32:01.260]  I just thought I'd say thanks for that, Eddie.
[01:32:01.260 --> 01:32:03.260]  Yeah, no problem.
[01:32:03.260 --> 01:32:09.260]  And I had another small problem. The client has just sent me a letter.
[01:32:09.260 --> 01:32:16.260]  They signed the waiver of service of summons, and the attorney sent me a letter
[01:32:16.260 --> 01:32:20.260]  and called me and said that they're not going to waive service.
[01:32:20.260 --> 01:32:22.260]  So now I need to go down to the courthouse,
[01:32:22.260 --> 01:32:27.260]  and I want to make a motion to tell the judge decide should I send the sheriff
[01:32:27.260 --> 01:32:33.260]  after him or is the waiver of service, is that good enough?
[01:32:33.260 --> 01:32:36.260]  Now, what would you call that motion and what would you say in that motion,
[01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:38.260]  you guys?
[01:32:38.260 --> 01:32:43.260]  Okay, say that, try to clear up for me one more time.
[01:32:43.260 --> 01:32:46.260]  Who waived service?
[01:32:46.260 --> 01:32:48.260]  The opposing party?
[01:32:48.260 --> 01:32:55.260]  Yeah, the defendant waived it, and his attorney says they're not going to waive it.
[01:32:55.260 --> 01:32:58.260]  Who has a copy of the signed waiver?
[01:32:58.260 --> 01:33:02.260]  I do. I just took it to the clerk today.
[01:33:02.260 --> 01:33:07.260]  And she says she wants to see a letter from him saying that he's not going to waive it.
[01:33:07.260 --> 01:33:10.260]  I think he's in trouble with the court already because he can't get –
[01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:13.260]  Wait, wait, wait. This is your attorney?
[01:33:13.260 --> 01:33:18.260]  No, he's the defendant's attorney. I'm the plaintiff.
[01:33:18.260 --> 01:33:22.260]  You're the plaintiff. And so the defendant – okay,
[01:33:22.260 --> 01:33:25.260]  how did you get a copy of the defendant's waiver?
[01:33:25.260 --> 01:33:32.260]  Oh, I sent it to him with a self-addressed envelope, and he sent it back to me.
[01:33:32.260 --> 01:33:33.260]  Signed.
[01:33:33.260 --> 01:33:36.260]  Signed.
[01:33:36.260 --> 01:33:48.260]  Okay. Well, then he has a problem because he acted –
[01:33:48.260 --> 01:33:51.260]  if he did not consult his counsel before making that determination,
[01:33:51.260 --> 01:33:55.260]  that's not your problem.
[01:33:55.260 --> 01:34:02.260]  And counsel can't renege on what his client has done without him.
[01:34:02.260 --> 01:34:06.260]  Oh, that sounds good because I was writing up his bar complaint tonight.
[01:34:06.260 --> 01:34:07.260]  He's reneging, isn't he?
[01:34:07.260 --> 01:34:13.260]  Well, right up two.
[01:34:13.260 --> 01:34:20.260]  One for perpetrating fraud upon the court by stating that service was not waived when it was.
[01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:26.260]  And another bar complaint just on general principle that he lied to the plaintiff
[01:34:26.260 --> 01:34:32.260]  as to the necessity of service in order to incur additional expense upon you.
[01:34:32.260 --> 01:34:36.260]  Oh, my God. That's good. That's good.
[01:34:36.260 --> 01:34:40.260]  What would you – see, I want the judge to decide on this too, Eddie.
[01:34:40.260 --> 01:34:42.260]  What would you say in the motion?
[01:34:42.260 --> 01:34:48.260]  See, I would just say I moved the court to make a decision on whether to go ahead
[01:34:48.260 --> 01:34:54.260]  and send the sheriff out for service or is the waiver of service from the actual client good enough?
[01:34:54.260 --> 01:34:57.260]  Well, how would you word it?
[01:34:57.260 --> 01:35:02.260]  Well, just I moved the court to make a judicial determination as to whether or not
[01:35:02.260 --> 01:35:08.260]  the waiver of service by defendant shall stand as issued.
[01:35:08.260 --> 01:35:09.260]  Damn, you're good.
[01:35:09.260 --> 01:35:10.260]  That sounds good.
[01:35:10.260 --> 01:35:13.260]  You said that right off the top of your head.
[01:35:13.260 --> 01:35:15.260]  One other small question.
[01:35:15.260 --> 01:35:22.260]  If you're standing in federal court and an attorney is attempting to offer up evidence
[01:35:22.260 --> 01:35:27.260]  through his own mouth without introducing it through a witness, what would you do?
[01:35:27.260 --> 01:35:30.260]  That's testifying and you need to object immediately.
[01:35:30.260 --> 01:35:34.260]  Object and say what?
[01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:38.260]  Objection. Facts not in evidence or objection.
[01:35:38.260 --> 01:35:41.260]  The attorney is testifying.
[01:35:41.260 --> 01:35:49.260]  Please have him recuse himself and assume the stand under oath so that he may be properly cross-examined.
[01:35:49.260 --> 01:35:54.260]  Oh, my God, you're good, Eddie.
[01:35:54.260 --> 01:35:55.260]  Hey, thanks a lot.
[01:35:55.260 --> 01:35:56.260]  I appreciate it.
[01:35:56.260 --> 01:35:57.260]  You guys have a good night.
[01:35:57.260 --> 01:35:58.260]  Damn, you're good.
[01:35:58.260 --> 01:35:59.260]  See you later.
[01:35:59.260 --> 01:36:00.260]  You're welcome.
[01:36:00.260 --> 01:36:01.260]  All right.
[01:36:01.260 --> 01:36:02.260]  Thanks, Mark.
[01:36:02.260 --> 01:36:05.260]  Okay, we're going now to Sam in Georgia.
[01:36:05.260 --> 01:36:07.260]  Sam, thanks for calling in.
[01:36:07.260 --> 01:36:09.260]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:36:09.260 --> 01:36:10.260]  How are you guys?
[01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:12.260]  Long time no talk to you.
[01:36:12.260 --> 01:36:14.260]  Doing pretty well.
[01:36:14.260 --> 01:36:20.260]  I have to give the great and mighty Eddie Craig many kudos,
[01:36:20.260 --> 01:36:30.260]  and you can go ahead and chalk me up as another victor by the use of some of your methods.
[01:36:30.260 --> 01:36:35.260]  Well, thank you, but I would definitely not accept the great and mighty title.
[01:36:35.260 --> 01:36:40.260]  I may be 6'3 and 240 pounds, but great and mighty is not what I'm after here.
[01:36:40.260 --> 01:36:44.260]  It's for hearing things like what you're about to say about winning.
[01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:45.260]  That's what I'm after.
[01:36:45.260 --> 01:36:47.260]  Yeah, because you know what?
[01:36:47.260 --> 01:36:50.260]  And humility is a beautiful thing.
[01:36:50.260 --> 01:36:52.260]  Well, let me tell you the quickie.
[01:36:52.260 --> 01:36:57.260]  I got a ticket, I-75.
[01:36:57.260 --> 01:36:58.260]  I'd say ticket.
[01:36:58.260 --> 01:37:00.260]  That's what Gary says.
[01:37:00.260 --> 01:37:03.260]  Gary Bryant says that's what you buy for a movie.
[01:37:03.260 --> 01:37:05.260]  So let me clarify.
[01:37:05.260 --> 01:37:13.260]  It's a citation, and of course the officer says, I'll clock you at 85 and a 65.
[01:37:13.260 --> 01:37:14.260]  And I said, really?
[01:37:14.260 --> 01:37:15.260]  How did you do that?
[01:37:15.260 --> 01:37:19.260]  Because of course he wasn't outside of his vehicle pointing the gun at me.
[01:37:19.260 --> 01:37:24.260]  Oh, well, I used my forward antenna array under my hood.
[01:37:24.260 --> 01:37:25.260]  I said, okay, I got you.
[01:37:25.260 --> 01:37:26.260]  I know where you're coming from.
[01:37:26.260 --> 01:37:29.260]  I didn't say that, but I knew where he was coming from.
[01:37:29.260 --> 01:37:30.260]  So he gives me the citation.
[01:37:30.260 --> 01:37:35.260]  But of course, thanks to you, I dissected the citation.
[01:37:35.260 --> 01:37:40.260]  And the first thing he says is offense, speeding.
[01:37:40.260 --> 01:37:45.260]  Well, of course, Georgia OCGA official code of Georgia annotated.
[01:37:45.260 --> 01:37:48.260]  There's no such charge as speeding.
[01:37:48.260 --> 01:37:50.260]  He forgot to put the code.
[01:37:50.260 --> 01:38:01.260]  Then in the remarks section, he put all this really MR slash FA slash SD, you know, just codes
[01:38:01.260 --> 01:38:08.260]  or abbreviations that are, you know, unintelligible to the average layman, only known to a police officer.
[01:38:08.260 --> 01:38:13.260]  And then he even said estimated speed, 85.
[01:38:13.260 --> 01:38:21.260]  But then in the actual charge, he said, yeah, because he told me through the window, well, I'm just going to, you know,
[01:38:21.260 --> 01:38:27.260]  hey, man, you're in a gang of traffic and y'all were all going about the same speed, you know.
[01:38:27.260 --> 01:38:31.260]  And I'm thinking, of course, I'm the dumbass that was on the back end of it.
[01:38:31.260 --> 01:38:37.260]  And of course, I pull over when I see the blue lights because I'm just that kind of law-abiding guy.
[01:38:37.260 --> 01:38:41.260]  But anyway, he says, I'm just going to be nice.
[01:38:41.260 --> 01:38:46.260]  I'm going to charge you with 76 and a 65, you know, so you don't get any points.
[01:38:46.260 --> 01:38:52.260]  Of course, those are the things I put in my affidavit of my statement of facts.
[01:38:52.260 --> 01:39:00.260]  And, you know, of course, I challenged the standing because of the ticket being defective on its face.
[01:39:00.260 --> 01:39:02.260]  And I went through a bunch of those.
[01:39:02.260 --> 01:39:08.260]  And then, you know, I put in the statement that the accused makes this special appearance in order to determine
[01:39:08.260 --> 01:39:14.260]  what rights will be afforded him by this court, which rights will be denied, you know, on and on.
[01:39:14.260 --> 01:39:22.260]  There's no evidence to support that the accused is a person under 28 U.S.C. 3002 wherein person is defined as corporation.
[01:39:22.260 --> 01:39:30.260]  You know, no evidence to suggest that I was engaged in driving or commerce at the time of the arrest, on and on.
[01:39:30.260 --> 01:39:37.260]  But the little zinger that I put in there was, and I think I've talked to you guys about this before,
[01:39:37.260 --> 01:39:41.260]  all the incorporations, all the courts are incorporated.
[01:39:41.260 --> 01:39:45.260]  The judges are incorporated separately from the court.
[01:39:45.260 --> 01:39:49.260]  They all have their own DUNS number on Dun and Bradstreet.
[01:39:49.260 --> 01:39:52.260]  So, of course, I put all that in the statement.
[01:39:52.260 --> 01:40:02.260]  Then I went into the fact that, you know, I was not afforded the opportunity to examine the time date stamp,
[01:40:02.260 --> 01:40:06.260]  you know, print out of the radar gun and on and on.
[01:40:06.260 --> 01:40:10.260]  So, basically, I just used a lot of the things that you've taught us.
[01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:14.260]  And then in my demand for production of documents,
[01:40:14.260 --> 01:40:20.260]  because I feel a sovereign doesn't ask, they demand, because it's what's rightfully ours.
[01:40:20.260 --> 01:40:22.260]  As do I.
[01:40:22.260 --> 01:40:28.260]  You know, I mean, that's a Randy Kelton-ism there, and, you know, thanks to him.
[01:40:28.260 --> 01:40:30.260]  Anyway, I just wanted everything.
[01:40:30.260 --> 01:40:38.260]  I wanted to own some office of everybody, solicitor general, the assistant solicitor that's going to handle my case,
[01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:41.260]  the judge, of course, the police officer.
[01:40:41.260 --> 01:40:44.260]  Then I wanted the bar number of all the people involved.
[01:40:44.260 --> 01:40:49.260]  Then I wanted the, you know, cover page of their blanket insurance policy.
[01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:58.260]  I wanted the contact with the Office of Risk Management to, you know, talk about their bond and on and on.
[01:40:58.260 --> 01:41:01.260]  I wanted the manufacturer of the radar.
[01:41:01.260 --> 01:41:03.260]  Now, let me tell you real quick.
[01:41:03.260 --> 01:41:08.260]  In Georgia, they use three types of radar, X, K, and KA bands.
[01:41:08.260 --> 01:41:15.260]  Well, the widest range is 18 degrees, and the lowest range is 11 degrees.
[01:41:15.260 --> 01:41:17.260]  So I subpoenaed all that.
[01:41:17.260 --> 01:41:24.260]  I wanted the manufacturers of the radar apparatus used in this vehicle, the serial number.
[01:41:24.260 --> 01:41:30.260]  Of course, I wanted the serial number of the tuning fork that was used to calibrate.
[01:41:30.260 --> 01:41:40.260]  I wanted the certificates of competency of that officer, you know, show that he was adequately trained, on and on and on.
[01:41:40.260 --> 01:41:49.260]  And then when I said I want the financials of the judge, the solicitor, the officer involved,
[01:41:49.260 --> 01:41:58.260]  to determine whether or not they have investments in any of the companies that securitize the bonds upon the citations,
[01:41:58.260 --> 01:42:07.260]  and then the zinger of zingers I put in there, I would like the CUSIP number of any bid bond,
[01:42:07.260 --> 01:42:13.260]  performance bond, or payment bond generated from my signature upon this citation.
[01:42:13.260 --> 01:42:21.260]  Well, let me tell you, my friend, when I went into that courtroom, you know how they have the little railing, you know,
[01:42:21.260 --> 01:42:29.260]  so you, you know, enter the bar or not, and they always have the solicitor, her little table is outside of the bar,
[01:42:29.260 --> 01:42:35.260]  or if it is inside the bar, they don't invite you, and they talk to you across that little railing.
[01:42:35.260 --> 01:42:37.260]  So that's how she was.
[01:42:37.260 --> 01:42:43.260]  She was in this little corner, and she's calling names, and these young kids would go up there with their picket in hand,
[01:42:43.260 --> 01:42:50.260]  and they'd give their plea or whatever, and then she calls my name, and she says,
[01:42:50.260 --> 01:42:57.260]  yeah, I've been talking to my boss, and I just want to get a couple of things from you.
[01:42:57.260 --> 01:43:03.260]  Based on your decision today, it's going to, you know, that will determine how we proceed.
[01:43:03.260 --> 01:43:07.260]  Well, now, I've never heard that in my whole life, okay?
[01:43:07.260 --> 01:43:11.260]  Based on my decision, that's going to determine how the prosecution is going to proceed,
[01:43:11.260 --> 01:43:13.260]  but, you know, I decided to play along.
[01:43:13.260 --> 01:43:20.260]  I tried not to chuckle in her face, and I'm telling you, she actually, her hands are shaking.
[01:43:20.260 --> 01:43:23.260]  She was actually nervous, okay?
[01:43:23.260 --> 01:43:29.260]  So she says, yeah, Mr. Morgan, he's the solicitor general.
[01:43:29.260 --> 01:43:34.260]  She goes, Mr. Morgan is trying to, I got to hold over, don't I?
[01:43:34.260 --> 01:43:36.260]  Yeah, hang on just a minute.
[01:43:36.260 --> 01:43:38.260]  We'll be right back on the other side of the break.
[01:43:38.260 --> 01:43:43.260]  This is Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton has the night off, Rule of Law Radio.
[01:43:43.260 --> 01:43:44.260]  Just hang in there, folks.
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[01:45:42.260 --> 01:45:45.260]  Okay, please continue.
[01:45:45.260 --> 01:45:53.260]  I was just saying that when I got up to the little podium there to talk to the prosecutor,
[01:45:53.260 --> 01:46:02.260]  you know, she had said that, you know, my superior had actually basically said that
[01:46:02.260 --> 01:46:08.260]  based on your decision as to how you're going to handle this, you know,
[01:46:08.260 --> 01:46:13.260]  we'll proceed and, you know, based on that, which I thought was odd.
[01:46:13.260 --> 01:46:19.260]  But anyway, she says, what are you planning on doing?
[01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:26.260]  I said, well, it depends on what the judge says because there are some housekeeping matters
[01:46:26.260 --> 01:46:31.260]  that I intend to before I enter your jurisdiction by entering a plea.
[01:46:31.260 --> 01:46:33.260]  And man, her head shot up in that paper.
[01:46:33.260 --> 01:46:36.260]  And she's like, what do you mean?
[01:46:36.260 --> 01:46:40.260]  And I said, well, you know, there's a little matter of standing, of course,
[01:46:40.260 --> 01:46:44.260]  because I believe that the citation is defective on its face.
[01:46:44.260 --> 01:46:50.260]  And I said, secondly, no one has determined whether or not I'm a citizen of the United States
[01:46:50.260 --> 01:46:54.260]  under the 14th Amendment, which actually places me under your jurisdiction.
[01:46:54.260 --> 01:47:01.260]  And no one has determined, you know, I've already faulted and defaulted the prosecutor's office
[01:47:01.260 --> 01:47:03.260]  and gotten no response.
[01:47:03.260 --> 01:47:11.260]  No one has even bothered to ascertain whether or not I was involved in commerce
[01:47:11.260 --> 01:47:13.260]  at the time of the arrest.
[01:47:13.260 --> 01:47:20.260]  And I said, and not to mention, I really need to see the office of office of all the parties involved.
[01:47:20.260 --> 01:47:23.260]  And she said, well, so you're probably going to just plead not guilty.
[01:47:23.260 --> 01:47:31.260]  I said, well, if it comes to that, I suppose that the least I'll do is plead not guilty
[01:47:31.260 --> 01:47:36.260]  and demand a jury trial so that I can adequately prepare my defense.
[01:47:36.260 --> 01:47:40.260]  And she just goes, you know what, I don't think it's really going to come to that,
[01:47:40.260 --> 01:47:43.260]  because really you were only doing 11 over.
[01:47:43.260 --> 01:47:47.260]  And I thought to myself, what is this woman?
[01:47:47.260 --> 01:47:50.260]  You know, all they're about is revenue.
[01:47:50.260 --> 01:47:53.260]  And I never heard of them cutting somebody some slack
[01:47:53.260 --> 01:47:56.260]  because they were only doing 11 over the speed limit.
[01:47:56.260 --> 01:48:00.260]  And so I said, well, you know, I said, whatever you want to do, you know.
[01:48:00.260 --> 01:48:05.260]  And she said, well, go have a seat, and I'll call you in a minute.
[01:48:05.260 --> 01:48:11.260]  And no, I mean, no less than, I mean, no more than a minute expired.
[01:48:11.260 --> 01:48:13.260]  And she says, Mr. Gaglin, I said, yes, ma'am.
[01:48:13.260 --> 01:48:14.260]  She goes, you're free to go.
[01:48:14.260 --> 01:48:17.260]  I said, pleasure doing business with you, ma'am.
[01:48:17.260 --> 01:48:22.260]  And I walked out the courtroom with a Cheshire cat grin on my face.
[01:48:22.260 --> 01:48:26.260]  And people were looking at me like, what just happened?
[01:48:26.260 --> 01:48:29.260]  So let me just tell your listeners,
[01:48:29.260 --> 01:48:34.260]  oh, here's one I forgot to tell you that I interjected.
[01:48:34.260 --> 01:48:38.260]  I asked for in my demand for the documents.
[01:48:38.260 --> 01:48:42.260]  I wanted to know, you know, of course, there are oaths of oaths.
[01:48:42.260 --> 01:48:44.260]  I told you about that.
[01:48:44.260 --> 01:48:48.260]  And let me take you through my paperwork here.
[01:48:48.260 --> 01:48:49.260]  Oh, here's the zinger.
[01:48:49.260 --> 01:48:52.260]  I think this is the one that really put him over the top.
[01:48:52.260 --> 01:48:59.260]  I wanted a true and accurate accounting of the previous year of cases tried
[01:48:59.260 --> 01:49:03.260]  in courtroom B in front of this judge, Judge Castellano.
[01:49:03.260 --> 01:49:07.260]  And I wanted the percentage of those cases that were adjudicated
[01:49:07.260 --> 01:49:10.260]  in favor of the state.
[01:49:10.260 --> 01:49:14.260]  And I think if you put that in your paperwork as an addition to everything
[01:49:14.260 --> 01:49:18.260]  that they've learned from you guys, I think that puts them over the top
[01:49:18.260 --> 01:49:21.260]  because they're not about to spend, you know, who knows?
[01:49:21.260 --> 01:49:26.260]  I mean, hell, a jury trial in Georgia costs like $10,000 at the bottom end.
[01:49:26.260 --> 01:49:30.260]  You know, for a $110 ticket, they're not going to go through all that.
[01:49:30.260 --> 01:49:37.260]  So, you know, whatever state you live in, of course, you know,
[01:49:37.260 --> 01:49:39.260]  file your paperwork accordingly.
[01:49:39.260 --> 01:49:42.260]  But I mean, there's so many things that you can do.
[01:49:42.260 --> 01:49:46.260]  When you're slinging so many arrows at them that they're ducking
[01:49:46.260 --> 01:49:50.260]  and running for cover, I think it puts you in a superior position.
[01:49:50.260 --> 01:49:53.260]  You know, so that's my story.
[01:49:53.260 --> 01:49:59.260]  I just wanted to tell you, victory was sweet, sweet taste in my mouth.
[01:49:59.260 --> 01:50:00.260]  So...
[01:50:00.260 --> 01:50:01.260]  Good for you, Sam.
[01:50:01.260 --> 01:50:03.260]  Congratulations.
[01:50:03.260 --> 01:50:08.260]  Well, I owe it to you guys and with Mr. Randy Kelton as well,
[01:50:08.260 --> 01:50:10.260]  even though he's not there to hear my story.
[01:50:10.260 --> 01:50:14.260]  But I mean, you know, I listen to a lot of different law shows,
[01:50:14.260 --> 01:50:15.260]  but there are a few things.
[01:50:15.260 --> 01:50:18.260]  You know, I even owe a couple of little things to Mark Stevens.
[01:50:18.260 --> 01:50:21.260]  I was, you know, my wife was laughing because she was like,
[01:50:21.260 --> 01:50:24.260]  why are you preparing so, you know, just vehemently?
[01:50:24.260 --> 01:50:26.260]  Because I had everything.
[01:50:26.260 --> 01:50:27.260]  I wrote it all out.
[01:50:27.260 --> 01:50:29.260]  I said, well, if he says this, I'm going to say that.
[01:50:29.260 --> 01:50:32.260]  You know, I just, I'm challenging standing in jurisdiction.
[01:50:32.260 --> 01:50:34.260]  I'm going to just beat him to death.
[01:50:34.260 --> 01:50:36.260]  And it never came to that, you know.
[01:50:36.260 --> 01:50:40.260]  And what was so funny, the judge, when everybody, you know,
[01:50:40.260 --> 01:50:41.260]  the lady goes, all rise.
[01:50:41.260 --> 01:50:43.260]  Of course, I didn't rise.
[01:50:43.260 --> 01:50:47.260]  And the judge comes out from behind a little wall there
[01:50:47.260 --> 01:50:51.260]  and he says, thank you, thank you people for coming.
[01:50:51.260 --> 01:50:52.260]  I really appreciate it.
[01:50:52.260 --> 01:50:55.260]  It's got a big old mother coughing in this hand, you know.
[01:50:55.260 --> 01:50:58.260]  And I mean, it looks like somebody's uncle.
[01:50:58.260 --> 01:51:04.260]  And he says, look here, the courtroom is not very, you know,
[01:51:04.260 --> 01:51:05.260]  it's not very packed today.
[01:51:05.260 --> 01:51:08.260]  It doesn't look like we've got a lot of cases on our caseload.
[01:51:08.260 --> 01:51:09.260]  Let's get to it.
[01:51:09.260 --> 01:51:12.260]  I'm going to dispense with my usual speech.
[01:51:12.260 --> 01:51:15.260]  I want to meet you people on the road back to your business.
[01:51:15.260 --> 01:51:18.260]  So let's call the first case.
[01:51:18.260 --> 01:51:23.260]  I just sat there in stunned amazement because this is actually
[01:51:23.260 --> 01:51:28.260]  the largest and most affluent county in the whole state of Georgia.
[01:51:28.260 --> 01:51:35.260]  And they had about, I would say, a 20% capacity.
[01:51:35.260 --> 01:51:39.260]  You know, the seating was filled about 20%.
[01:51:39.260 --> 01:51:42.260]  And that completely is the opposite of some of these little
[01:51:42.260 --> 01:51:45.260]  ponon counties I've been to where they're out the door
[01:51:45.260 --> 01:51:47.260]  and lined up around the block.
[01:51:47.260 --> 01:51:52.260]  So I just had a good feeling all day long from the moment
[01:51:52.260 --> 01:51:54.260]  I got in the courtroom.
[01:51:54.260 --> 01:52:00.260]  And let me tell you, your other listeners too, dress in a suit.
[01:52:00.260 --> 01:52:02.260]  Don't go in there with some torn-up jeans
[01:52:02.260 --> 01:52:06.260]  and a raggedy-ass T-shirt because you show disrespect.
[01:52:06.260 --> 01:52:10.260]  When you show up with a suit, you know, people go,
[01:52:10.260 --> 01:52:11.260]  oh, are you in attorney?
[01:52:11.260 --> 01:52:12.260]  No, ma'am.
[01:52:12.260 --> 01:52:14.260]  I'm just here to answer this.
[01:52:14.260 --> 01:52:16.260]  You know, they summons me to court.
[01:52:16.260 --> 01:52:19.260]  It shows respect whether or not you have it for the court,
[01:52:19.260 --> 01:52:21.260]  which courts most of us don't.
[01:52:21.260 --> 01:52:26.260]  But it's still a little tip of the hat to the decorum of the courtroom.
[01:52:26.260 --> 01:52:29.260]  And it also commands respect too.
[01:52:29.260 --> 01:52:33.260]  Well, it does because oddly enough, I mean, I had people ask me questions,
[01:52:33.260 --> 01:52:36.260]  hey, man, you know, how did you do that?
[01:52:36.260 --> 01:52:38.260]  And I was like, well, you know, and I showed them, of course,
[01:52:38.260 --> 01:52:41.260]  I showed them my motions and my demands, and they were like,
[01:52:41.260 --> 01:52:43.260]  wow, man, you're not even a lawyer.
[01:52:43.260 --> 01:52:44.260]  How did you?
[01:52:44.260 --> 01:52:45.260]  I was like, well, I read a lot.
[01:52:45.260 --> 01:52:48.260]  And secondly, and I gave them your websites and all.
[01:52:48.260 --> 01:52:53.260]  I just, I sat out there for like 45 minutes after I had left the courtroom
[01:52:53.260 --> 01:52:58.260]  because people were stunned because, you know, like myself,
[01:52:58.260 --> 01:53:01.260]  I've been to several court, you know, hearings,
[01:53:01.260 --> 01:53:07.260]  and I've never seen anybody walk out with a dismissed, you know, under their belt.
[01:53:07.260 --> 01:53:10.260]  And you always have to pay something, you know.
[01:53:10.260 --> 01:53:14.260]  They either go on probation or, you know, they're paying a fine.
[01:53:14.260 --> 01:53:18.260]  And it's just, you know, I guess, you know, like you said,
[01:53:18.260 --> 01:53:21.260]  Debra, you know, that's the key right there.
[01:53:21.260 --> 01:53:23.260]  And you command respect.
[01:53:23.260 --> 01:53:27.260]  And that's what I think that, you know, just accidentally,
[01:53:27.260 --> 01:53:31.260]  I mean, I wasn't going in there like, you know, I'm the superstar or whatever.
[01:53:31.260 --> 01:53:38.260]  I just walked in there, conducted myself with respect and dignity and humility.
[01:53:38.260 --> 01:53:42.260]  And I dressed well and bada bing, you see what happened.
[01:53:42.260 --> 01:53:44.260]  So that's all I'm saying.
[01:53:44.260 --> 01:53:45.260]  I love you guys.
[01:53:45.260 --> 01:53:48.260]  I really appreciate everything you do.
[01:53:48.260 --> 01:53:54.260]  And, you know, the learning is just, to me, I think knowledge is power.
[01:53:54.260 --> 01:54:00.260]  A lot of people learn a lot of stuff, and it's frustrating to them or it's scary.
[01:54:00.260 --> 01:54:03.260]  You know, knowing the world we live in and the powers that be,
[01:54:03.260 --> 01:54:07.260]  how they're trying to, you know, just keep us under thumb.
[01:54:07.260 --> 01:54:10.260]  But I think knowledge is power.
[01:54:10.260 --> 01:54:13.260]  That's, you know, that's really the way I roll.
[01:54:13.260 --> 01:54:16.260]  That's the way I approach life because I used to be angry.
[01:54:16.260 --> 01:54:20.260]  I'd listen to Alex Jones and all these guys, and I'd just be all mad.
[01:54:20.260 --> 01:54:24.260]  Oh, man, they're not going to chip me, and they're not going to do this and that.
[01:54:24.260 --> 01:54:30.260]  Instead, now I approach things from a position of peace, you know.
[01:54:30.260 --> 01:54:32.260]  Hey, man, I come in peace.
[01:54:32.260 --> 01:54:33.260]  Let's resolve this matter.
[01:54:33.260 --> 01:54:42.260]  And I found that now things, you know, sort of in a sort of, I don't know,
[01:54:42.260 --> 01:54:44.260]  I hate to use the word cosmic or whatever.
[01:54:44.260 --> 01:54:51.260]  I don't want to sound like voodoo voodoo, but your attitude really dictates the outcome.
[01:54:51.260 --> 01:54:57.260]  So, you know, it's great to have that, you know, fighting warrior spirit.
[01:54:57.260 --> 01:55:00.260]  You have to have that because otherwise you won't even get in the game.
[01:55:00.260 --> 01:55:04.260]  But you don't want to go in there cocky and arrogant.
[01:55:04.260 --> 01:55:08.260]  You just want to go in there with a sense of confidence, with people in the eye.
[01:55:08.260 --> 01:55:12.260]  You know, if they challenge you, I stand on my paperwork, Your Honor.
[01:55:12.260 --> 01:55:14.260]  I don't even call them Your Honor.
[01:55:14.260 --> 01:55:15.260]  I just call them Judge.
[01:55:15.260 --> 01:55:19.260]  But, you know, did you not read the paperwork, Judge?
[01:55:19.260 --> 01:55:22.260]  Everything's in my pleadings.
[01:55:22.260 --> 01:55:24.260]  I don't need to say anything, see?
[01:55:24.260 --> 01:55:27.260]  And that's how you get respect from the court.
[01:55:27.260 --> 01:55:31.260]  And another thing, in my state, of course, they don't like pro se.
[01:55:31.260 --> 01:55:33.260]  They don't like that at all.
[01:55:33.260 --> 01:55:37.260]  I've heard a lot of judges talking about, you know,
[01:55:37.260 --> 01:55:40.260]  how they really actually want to knock out the pro se.
[01:55:40.260 --> 01:55:45.260]  So I put sui juris slash improprio persona
[01:55:45.260 --> 01:55:49.260]  because that tells them that I have no mental defect.
[01:55:49.260 --> 01:55:51.260]  It prevents me from standing for myself.
[01:55:51.260 --> 01:55:53.260]  I'm standing in my proper person.
[01:55:53.260 --> 01:55:58.260]  And that puts the ball, I mean, that puts the game up to another level.
[01:55:58.260 --> 01:56:03.260]  And then when you start asking for cusive numbers and, you know, bond numbers,
[01:56:03.260 --> 01:56:08.260]  all that, that lets them know without being arrogant that you know what they're up to.
[01:56:08.260 --> 01:56:11.260]  You know what I mean?
[01:56:11.260 --> 01:56:12.260]  You know what I mean?
[01:56:12.260 --> 01:56:18.260]  In other words, it lets them know that you're not the average schmuck.
[01:56:18.260 --> 01:56:22.260]  And, of course, sui juris tells them I don't need an attorney.
[01:56:22.260 --> 01:56:26.260]  I'm not admitting that I'm incompetent in front of this court.
[01:56:26.260 --> 01:56:32.260]  I am completely mentally competent to handle my own matters.
[01:56:32.260 --> 01:56:39.260]  And that sort of gives them that roundabout view of respect for your paperwork.
[01:56:39.260 --> 01:56:44.260]  And believe it or not, you don't even have to, like I've done before,
[01:56:44.260 --> 01:56:47.260]  file 30, 40, 50 pages of motions.
[01:56:47.260 --> 01:56:48.260]  You don't have to.
[01:56:48.260 --> 01:56:53.260]  You just got to put the key elements in there that get their attention.
[01:56:53.260 --> 01:56:59.260]  You know, hey, I want an accurate accounting of how many cases have been adjudicated
[01:56:59.260 --> 01:57:01.260]  for the state in the last year in this courtroom.
[01:57:01.260 --> 01:57:05.260]  That scares the heck out of them because now they've got to pay some file clerk
[01:57:05.260 --> 01:57:09.260]  to go down to the basement for three days or four days to dig out.
[01:57:09.260 --> 01:57:11.260]  You know, they're not going to do that, you know.
[01:57:11.260 --> 01:57:14.260]  And that lets them know you're aware.
[01:57:14.260 --> 01:57:17.260]  You've pierced the corporate veil, you know.
[01:57:17.260 --> 01:57:22.260]  And, of course, I put all their Dun & Bradstreet numbers in my paperwork.
[01:57:22.260 --> 01:57:24.260]  And that's the easiest thing, people.
[01:57:24.260 --> 01:57:27.260]  Go on Dun & Bradstreet, punch in.
[01:57:27.260 --> 01:57:32.260]  Municipal court of such-and-such city or state court of such-and-such state.
[01:57:32.260 --> 01:57:34.260]  And it all comes up.
[01:57:34.260 --> 01:57:36.260]  And they give you the Dun's number.
[01:57:36.260 --> 01:57:43.260]  And that way you understand and they know that you know what they're up to
[01:57:43.260 --> 01:57:48.260]  because it's all a corporate, it's just all a money-making racket.
[01:57:48.260 --> 01:57:56.260]  And then, you know, it's a corporation cannot sue an individual,
[01:57:56.260 --> 01:57:59.260]  a living, breathing, sovereign man.
[01:57:59.260 --> 01:58:01.260]  They can't do it legally.
[01:58:01.260 --> 01:58:06.260]  A corporation in black's law is a dead, fictional entity.
[01:58:06.260 --> 01:58:08.260]  So, all right, that's it.
[01:58:08.260 --> 01:58:09.260]  Love and peace.
[01:58:09.260 --> 01:58:10.260]  You guys are doing.
[01:58:10.260 --> 01:58:11.260]  All right.
[01:58:11.260 --> 01:58:13.260]  Thank you, Sam.
[01:58:13.260 --> 01:58:14.260]  Good night.
[01:58:14.260 --> 01:58:15.260]  Okay.
[01:58:15.260 --> 01:58:17.260]  We're at the halfway mark.
[01:58:17.260 --> 01:58:21.260]  And I would like to see some case law or some statute
[01:58:21.260 --> 01:58:26.260]  regarding that a corporation cannot sue a person, a human breathing person.
[01:58:26.260 --> 01:58:29.260]  I've heard that for a while, but I've never seen it written in law.
[01:58:29.260 --> 01:58:32.260]  Sam, if you could send me some information on that, I'd really appreciate it.
[01:58:32.260 --> 01:58:35.260]  When we get back, we're going to go to Mike in Texas.
[01:58:35.260 --> 01:58:38.260]  Then we've got Ken and Janet.
[01:58:38.260 --> 01:58:40.260]  This is the rule of law.
[01:58:40.260 --> 01:58:42.260]  Randy Kelton is on seminar tonight.
[01:58:42.260 --> 01:58:45.260]  We've got Eddie Craig and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:45.260 --> 01:58:48.260]  We'll be back after the top-of-the-hour news.
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