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[00:00.000 --> 00:04.800]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.800 --> 00:09.000]  Benigno Aquino has been sworn in as the Philippines' 15th president.
[00:09.000 --> 00:12.100]  Hundreds of thousands of people yelled his nickname, Noy Noy,
[00:12.100 --> 00:14.400]  as Aquino promised to fight corruption,
[00:14.400 --> 00:20.600]  particularly in the notoriously graft-ridden bureaus of customs and internal revenue.
[00:20.600 --> 00:25.100]  General David Petraeus, the new chief of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan,
[00:25.100 --> 00:27.600]  has vowed to protect Afghan civilians.
[00:27.600 --> 00:31.700]  Petraeus said he had no plans to change current rules of engagement,
[00:31.700 --> 00:36.600]  which limit some uses of force to prevent civilian casualties.
[00:36.600 --> 00:40.900]  Barack Obama said Thursday the US has thrived as a nation of immigrants,
[00:40.900 --> 00:44.900]  but reform has been held hostage by political posturing.
[00:44.900 --> 00:48.200]  Arizona recently enacted a law which makes it a crime
[00:48.200 --> 00:50.700]  to be in the state without immigration papers.
[00:50.700 --> 00:54.500]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:54.500 --> 01:00.100]  Afghan President Hamid Karzai pushed back Wednesday against allegations of government corruption,
[01:00.100 --> 01:03.900]  saying their international partners must shoulder some of the blame for waste,
[01:03.900 --> 01:07.400]  graft and the billions of dollars streaming out of the country.
[01:07.400 --> 01:13.000]  Afghan Finance Minister Omar Zakhilwal said the bulk of the $4 billion in cash
[01:13.000 --> 01:17.100]  blown out of the country in the past three years was from huge contracts
[01:17.100 --> 01:21.800]  the international community awarded large Afghan and foreign companies.
[01:21.800 --> 01:26.800]  Zakhilwal also said Representative Nita Laoui, chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee
[01:26.800 --> 01:31.800]  overseeing the State Department's budget, was wrong to suggest Afghan government officials
[01:31.800 --> 01:33.800]  had pocketed donor funds.
[01:33.800 --> 01:38.300]  Zakhilwal acknowledged there is graft and corruption in the Afghan government,
[01:38.300 --> 01:43.900]  but stressed 77% of the $29 billion in aid spent in Afghanistan
[01:43.900 --> 01:49.300]  has been dispersed on projects with little or no input from Afghan government officials.
[01:49.300 --> 01:53.600]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:53.600 --> 01:59.100]  A war crimes court has ruled that model Naomi Campbell can be called to testify
[01:59.100 --> 02:02.600]  in a case against former Liberian President Charles Taylor.
[02:02.600 --> 02:06.800]  Prosecutors for the Special Court for Sierra Leone sitting in The Hague
[02:06.800 --> 02:11.400]  say Campbell was given a blood diamond by Taylor in 1997
[02:11.400 --> 02:14.200]  at Nelson Mandela's house in South Africa.
[02:14.200 --> 02:19.200]  Taylor is accused of using such diamonds to fuel an insurgency in Sierra Leone
[02:19.200 --> 02:21.000]  that cost many lives.
[02:21.000 --> 02:24.500]  Taylor is accused of selling diamonds and buying weapons
[02:24.500 --> 02:27.500]  for Sierra Leone's Revolutionary United Front rebels
[02:27.500 --> 02:31.300]  notorious for hacking off the hands and legs of civilians
[02:31.300 --> 02:35.300]  during the 1991-2001 Civil War.
[02:35.300 --> 02:41.000]  Taylor has pleaded not guilty to 11 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
[02:41.000 --> 02:45.000]  Blood diamonds is the name given to diamonds mined in areas of conflict
[02:45.000 --> 02:50.000]  that are sold to fund warfare.
[03:45.100 --> 03:47.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:47.500 --> 03:49.200]  Bad boys, bad boys
[03:49.200 --> 03:50.600]  Whatcha gonna do?
[03:50.600 --> 03:53.200]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[03:53.200 --> 03:56.000]  When you were E and you had bad trees
[03:56.000 --> 03:58.700]  You'd go to school and learn the golden rule
[03:58.700 --> 04:01.400]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[04:01.400 --> 04:04.000]  And if you get caught then you might get crewed
[04:04.000 --> 04:05.700]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:05.700 --> 04:07.000]  Whatcha gonna do?
[04:07.000 --> 04:09.500]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:09.500 --> 04:11.200]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:11.200 --> 04:12.500]  Whatcha gonna do?
[04:12.500 --> 04:15.300]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:15.300 --> 04:17.100]  Bad boys, bad boys
[04:17.100 --> 04:21.600]  What are you going to do when we come for you?
[04:21.600 --> 04:24.300]  Here on The Rule of Law
[04:24.300 --> 04:28.000]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens
[04:28.000 --> 04:31.200]  The Kubosh Brothers, Mike and Paul Kubosh
[04:31.200 --> 04:36.000]  and Jim Ash from College Station
[04:36.000 --> 04:41.700]  Tonight the topic is red light cameras
[04:41.700 --> 04:44.800]  Now, folks out there who have been listening for a while
[04:44.800 --> 04:47.300]  you may have heard Jim on this show in the past
[04:47.300 --> 04:49.200]  Jim's been our guest a few times
[04:49.200 --> 04:53.300]  Jim got the red light cameras done away with
[04:53.300 --> 04:55.200]  in College Station, Texas
[04:55.200 --> 04:56.800]  Woohoo!
[04:56.800 --> 05:00.200]  With the help of the Kubosh boys
[05:00.200 --> 05:03.000]  The Kubosh Brothers, excuse me
[05:03.000 --> 05:08.300]  Already taking the call on y'all with nicknames here
[05:08.300 --> 05:11.700]  So, Paul is an attorney, Mike is his brother
[05:11.700 --> 05:14.900]  and the Kubosh Brothers have been fighting the red light cameras
[05:14.900 --> 05:18.500]  since when, Jim? How long?
[05:18.500 --> 05:20.100]  Paul, didn't you guys start about 98?
[05:20.100 --> 05:21.300]  I mean, Mike?
[05:21.300 --> 05:24.700]  Yeah, we started back in 1990, about 1994
[05:24.700 --> 05:27.300]  We've been wrestling with these things at the legislature
[05:27.300 --> 05:31.800]  and actually prior to that we were going to San Diego in 1996
[05:31.800 --> 05:33.000]  is when it really all started there
[05:33.000 --> 05:35.400]  when we realized they had shortened the caution lines there
[05:35.400 --> 05:37.000]  We were helping some attorneys there
[05:37.000 --> 05:40.300]  Wow, so since 94, folks
[05:40.300 --> 05:42.900]  the Kubosh Brothers have been on the crusade
[05:42.900 --> 05:44.700]  against red light cameras
[05:44.700 --> 05:48.600]  That's 14 years, I really, really commend and applaud you guys
[05:48.600 --> 05:51.200]  Alright, Jim can only stay for a couple of segments
[05:51.200 --> 05:54.300]  So, Jim is going to go first and tell his story
[05:54.300 --> 05:57.100]  and Jim, just start from the beginning
[05:57.100 --> 05:58.700]  How did you get into this?
[05:58.700 --> 06:02.100]  What made you so irate about the red light cameras in the first place?
[06:02.100 --> 06:04.900]  And how did you hook up with the Kubosh Brothers?
[06:04.900 --> 06:09.200]  Apparently the Kubosh Brothers helped you throughout this whole ordeal
[06:09.200 --> 06:12.700]  of getting the cameras removed from College Station
[06:12.700 --> 06:15.100]  Well, I'll kick off on the story
[06:15.100 --> 06:18.000]  and I'll kind of give the Reader's Digest version of it here
[06:18.000 --> 06:23.400]  In late 98, the first part of September
[06:23.400 --> 06:26.500]  I received a photo-enforced ticket
[06:26.500 --> 06:28.900]  crossing the intersection in College Station
[06:28.900 --> 06:35.000]  My vehicle was photographed crossing the stop bar
[06:35.000 --> 06:38.100]  three-tenths of a second after the light had turned red
[06:38.100 --> 06:39.900]  making a right turn on red
[06:39.900 --> 06:45.900]  I got a ticket just like thousands and thousands of Texans have received by now
[06:45.900 --> 06:49.000]  Received it in the mail, was in typing on the computer
[06:49.000 --> 06:53.000]  to release the funds through Bank of America to pay the $75
[06:53.000 --> 06:57.000]  I flipped the ticket over and started reading on the back
[06:57.000 --> 07:02.600]  The front of it declared that I was guilty in the past tenths
[07:02.600 --> 07:06.200]  It has been found that you're guilty of this
[07:06.200 --> 07:08.100]  I said, we've never even gone to trial
[07:08.100 --> 07:11.400]  I haven't even been accused by anybody
[07:11.400 --> 07:13.600]  So it kind of set wrong with me
[07:13.600 --> 07:18.500]  I thought in the United States, we got a trial by jury
[07:18.500 --> 07:22.600]  I thought that that would be a prerequisite to find anybody guilty
[07:22.600 --> 07:24.500]  So I just slept on it overnight
[07:24.500 --> 07:26.000]  The next day I thought better of it
[07:26.000 --> 07:28.700]  And I said, well, I'm going to appeal this
[07:28.700 --> 07:36.000]  And I went to the city before the municipal court judge
[07:36.000 --> 07:38.300]  The judge, of course, found for the city
[07:38.300 --> 07:42.100]  And I wanted to appeal from there
[07:42.100 --> 07:44.300]  Sent letters of appeal to the city
[07:44.300 --> 07:46.300]  The city denied me any appeal
[07:46.300 --> 07:50.300]  The very first judge you go in front of on a photo-enforced ticket
[07:50.300 --> 07:52.200]  is the last judge you'll ever see
[07:52.200 --> 07:56.600]  The municipal court judge's decision in photo-enforced tickets
[07:56.600 --> 08:01.200]  is the final word, according to Texas state law
[08:01.200 --> 08:08.100]  Well, it goes back and forth between the red light camera interests
[08:08.100 --> 08:10.800]  and cities, they say there is an appeal
[08:10.800 --> 08:13.400]  because you can go before an administrator
[08:13.400 --> 08:15.600]  Normally the judge is secretary initially
[08:15.600 --> 08:17.800]  and then you appeal it to the judge
[08:17.800 --> 08:21.100]  But when you think about an appeal in a legal sense
[08:21.100 --> 08:23.900]  it's normally you move to a different court
[08:23.900 --> 08:27.900]  not just from the judge's secretary to the judge
[08:27.900 --> 08:32.300]  So I just thought that was wrong
[08:32.300 --> 08:36.700]  I thought it was wrong that any governmental entity
[08:36.700 --> 08:39.400]  could file charges against somebody
[08:39.400 --> 08:41.800]  declare them guilty without a trial
[08:41.800 --> 08:43.900]  and deny them the right to a jury trial
[08:43.900 --> 08:47.800]  and deny them the legal right to an appeal
[08:47.800 --> 08:49.400]  I thought about that
[08:49.400 --> 08:52.100]  I went to the Texas legislature
[08:52.100 --> 08:55.100]  There was a bill, House Bill 3000
[08:55.100 --> 08:59.100]  that had ended up on the big transportation bill last year
[08:59.100 --> 09:00.300]  We fought it through there
[09:00.300 --> 09:03.300]  When it became apparent that the red light cameras
[09:03.300 --> 09:06.600]  were almost overturned in that session of the legislature
[09:06.600 --> 09:08.300]  the city of College Station
[09:08.300 --> 09:11.200]  signed a preemptive 20-year extension
[09:11.200 --> 09:14.800]  to the red light camera contract that they had
[09:14.800 --> 09:18.400]  They did that on the last day of July
[09:18.400 --> 09:26.100]  and on July 3rd
[09:26.100 --> 09:31.500]  I kicked off the campaign to do the petition
[09:31.500 --> 09:34.200]  We set up a little tent beside the road
[09:34.200 --> 09:37.100]  one of the University Drive here in College Station
[09:37.100 --> 09:39.200]  started collecting signatures
[09:39.200 --> 09:43.300]  My goal was maybe I could get 100 signatures
[09:43.300 --> 09:45.100]  by the end of the first weekend
[09:45.100 --> 09:50.000]  It turned out in 88 hours of sitting beside the road
[09:50.000 --> 09:53.200]  over three weekend periods
[09:53.200 --> 09:56.000]  we had enough signatures to submit the petition
[09:56.000 --> 09:59.700]  That is what a base feel the community has
[09:59.700 --> 10:03.000]  about the wrong that red light cameras are
[10:03.000 --> 10:04.600]  in its totality
[10:04.600 --> 10:08.700]  The cities normally say it's about safety
[10:08.700 --> 10:14.300]  Our research, the research that we've done through now years
[10:14.300 --> 10:16.900]  indicates that that's just not the case
[10:16.900 --> 10:18.700]  In the city of College Station
[10:18.700 --> 10:22.000]  they didn't even put the cameras at the most dangerous intersections
[10:22.000 --> 10:23.800]  If it was about safety
[10:23.800 --> 10:26.400]  they would have put them at dangerous intersections
[10:26.400 --> 10:29.500]  It's about exploitation of engineering problems
[10:29.500 --> 10:31.400]  that exist on the roadways
[10:31.400 --> 10:34.000]  in order to generate revenues for the cities
[10:34.000 --> 10:36.300]  And at the end of the day
[10:36.300 --> 10:38.000]  our side of the argument won
[10:38.000 --> 10:40.700]  During that petition drive
[10:40.700 --> 10:42.700]  I met the Cubash brothers
[10:42.700 --> 10:46.800]  Paul came down to College Station
[10:46.800 --> 10:48.200]  and sat out with us at the tent
[10:48.200 --> 10:52.400]  and told us of his years and years of struggles
[10:52.400 --> 10:55.500]  against the red light camera interest here in the state
[10:55.500 --> 10:58.600]  And he certainly supported us
[10:58.600 --> 10:59.900]  from that perspective
[10:59.900 --> 11:01.900]  gave us some of the background that he had done
[11:01.900 --> 11:05.100]  And in the ensuing six months
[11:05.100 --> 11:08.800]  we took it to get the petition approved
[11:08.800 --> 11:10.000]  got it on the ballot
[11:10.000 --> 11:11.600]  ran through an election cycle
[11:11.600 --> 11:14.200]  were outspent ten to one
[11:14.200 --> 11:16.300]  by the red light camera interest
[11:16.300 --> 11:17.600]  compared to what we spent
[11:17.600 --> 11:19.300]  and we won the election
[11:19.300 --> 11:21.200]  I think no one was more surprised
[11:21.200 --> 11:22.800]  than the city of College Station
[11:22.800 --> 11:25.100]  because photo enforcement
[11:25.100 --> 11:26.500]  the red light camera interest
[11:26.500 --> 11:29.600]  always promote that
[11:29.600 --> 11:31.700]  citizens support their activities
[11:31.700 --> 11:34.900]  by a measure between 65 and 70 percent
[11:34.900 --> 11:37.800]  I say if they really believe that
[11:37.800 --> 11:39.800]  they wouldn't have spent $100,000
[11:39.800 --> 11:42.500]  trying to stop us in College Station
[11:42.500 --> 11:45.300]  And that number comes from the
[11:45.300 --> 11:46.500]  campaign finance reports
[11:46.500 --> 11:49.400]  that are available to the city of College Station
[11:49.400 --> 11:51.100]  And they know
[11:51.100 --> 11:54.000]  they know that when red light cameras go to a vote
[11:54.000 --> 11:56.800]  citizens understand it's about generating revenue
[11:56.800 --> 12:00.400]  So that's kind of my story
[12:00.400 --> 12:02.400]  Well that's fantastic Jim
[12:02.400 --> 12:07.200]  How long did it take from start to finish to get this done?
[12:07.200 --> 12:08.800]  Well the petition
[12:08.800 --> 12:10.800]  well it took really
[12:10.800 --> 12:13.000]  I'm going to say about eight months
[12:13.000 --> 12:15.100]  eight months of work
[12:15.100 --> 12:17.600]  It was a fantastic experience
[12:17.600 --> 12:19.400]  I tell you particularly
[12:19.400 --> 12:22.100]  when you think about your listeners
[12:22.100 --> 12:23.500]  I and I've done it
[12:23.500 --> 12:24.300]  when I talk
[12:24.300 --> 12:25.800]  the first time I was on your program
[12:25.800 --> 12:27.500]  I wanted to say I'm sorry
[12:27.500 --> 12:30.900]  that I took me till I was 50 years old
[12:30.900 --> 12:34.500]  to stand up and say enough is enough
[12:34.500 --> 12:37.400]  Governments continue to pass
[12:37.400 --> 12:39.600]  more owners and more owners laws
[12:39.600 --> 12:41.400]  My belief was
[12:41.400 --> 12:42.400]  that
[12:42.400 --> 12:43.600]  if we let it stand
[12:43.600 --> 12:45.100]  that the government could charge us
[12:45.100 --> 12:47.400]  with something as simple and as innocuous
[12:47.400 --> 12:49.500]  as a $75 fine
[12:49.500 --> 12:51.300]  for running a red light camera
[12:51.300 --> 12:53.300]  a red light
[12:53.300 --> 12:55.500]  that the government
[12:55.500 --> 12:56.800]  if they get away with
[12:56.800 --> 12:58.900]  not giving us a chance to an appeal
[12:58.900 --> 13:00.300]  and a jury trial
[13:00.300 --> 13:01.500]  on this
[13:01.500 --> 13:04.100]  they can get away with it on anything
[13:04.100 --> 13:05.900]  It's turning the degrees up
[13:05.900 --> 13:08.900]  a little bit more on the frog in the hot water
[13:08.900 --> 13:10.200]  I just felt like
[13:10.200 --> 13:12.500]  this is where I draw the line
[13:12.500 --> 13:13.100]  you know
[13:13.100 --> 13:15.000]  from my perspective
[13:15.000 --> 13:16.700]  What I did learn about this though
[13:16.700 --> 13:18.100]  that and as your listeners
[13:18.100 --> 13:19.100]  think about that out there
[13:19.100 --> 13:21.400]  there is something that is
[13:21.400 --> 13:23.200]  they need to stand up for too
[13:23.200 --> 13:24.200]  and when they do it
[13:24.200 --> 13:27.200]  and they stand up and become involved
[13:27.200 --> 13:29.300]  in resolving that issue
[13:29.300 --> 13:30.200]  they will
[13:30.200 --> 13:31.600]  I believe
[13:31.600 --> 13:33.400]  they will never be the same
[13:33.400 --> 13:35.200]  and I know your listeners are good about that
[13:35.200 --> 13:36.700]  about becoming involved
[13:36.700 --> 13:39.000]  it was a huge awakening for me
[13:39.000 --> 13:43.000]  I will never be the same after this struggle
[13:43.000 --> 13:44.700]  I have to concur with that
[13:44.700 --> 13:46.000]  this is Michael Kubosh
[13:46.000 --> 13:48.300]  that when I ran the light today
[13:48.300 --> 13:51.200]  that back in 1996
[13:51.200 --> 13:53.400]  it wasn't until after the occasion
[13:53.400 --> 13:55.000]  that I realized that
[13:55.000 --> 13:57.100]  the same thing that caused me to do that
[13:57.100 --> 13:58.800]  is what made the forefathers
[13:58.800 --> 14:01.100]  get on the boat and pour out the tea
[14:01.100 --> 14:03.000]  I realized that day
[14:03.000 --> 14:05.000]  Jim, that I was a patriot
[14:05.000 --> 14:07.500]  and I say that with great humility
[14:07.500 --> 14:09.900]  that I had no idea
[14:09.900 --> 14:11.900]  the fabric of a being
[14:11.900 --> 14:13.400]  that I really was to do that
[14:13.400 --> 14:14.800]  because the day I ran the light
[14:14.800 --> 14:16.200]  the police came to me
[14:16.200 --> 14:18.000]  and got my driver's license from me
[14:18.000 --> 14:19.100]  before I ran the light
[14:19.100 --> 14:20.100]  my family was there
[14:20.100 --> 14:22.100]  about 30 something family members and friends
[14:22.100 --> 14:22.900]  and the news media
[14:22.900 --> 14:25.100]  I was live on a radio station
[14:25.100 --> 14:26.700]  they took my driver's license
[14:26.700 --> 14:29.000]  wrote me the ticket before I ever ran the light
[14:29.000 --> 14:30.200]  and asked if I was going to do it
[14:30.200 --> 14:30.900]  and I said yes
[14:30.900 --> 14:32.100]  they blocked the intersection
[14:32.100 --> 14:33.900]  my family watched for traffic
[14:33.900 --> 14:34.700]  I ran the light
[14:34.700 --> 14:36.800]  they gave me the ticket and let me go
[14:36.800 --> 14:38.600]  and I realized that day
[14:38.600 --> 14:41.500]  that I'm a little different than a lot of folks
[14:44.400 --> 14:45.300]  Amen
[14:45.300 --> 14:46.000]  Indeed
[14:46.000 --> 14:47.400]  We have to stand up
[14:47.400 --> 14:48.600]  for what's right
[14:48.600 --> 14:49.800]  Go ahead, Eddie
[14:49.800 --> 14:51.500]  Well, there is a question
[14:51.500 --> 14:52.300]  as an attorney
[14:52.300 --> 14:54.800]  I would like to see what your response to this would be
[14:54.800 --> 14:57.600]  Wait, his brother Paul is an attorney
[14:57.600 --> 14:59.800]  Yeah, my brother Paul is the attorney
[14:59.800 --> 15:01.900]  The news media calls me an attorney all the time
[15:01.900 --> 15:03.400]  because I'm with Paul
[15:03.400 --> 15:05.300]  but actually I'm not an attorney
[15:05.300 --> 15:07.300]  I'm a businessman here in Houston
[15:07.300 --> 15:09.500]  but I did take my court to case the trial
[15:09.500 --> 15:11.900]  and I did win it on constitutional grounds
[15:11.900 --> 15:13.500]  and Judge Wood here in Houston
[15:13.500 --> 15:16.700]  the longest sitting Republican judge in Harris County at the time
[15:16.700 --> 15:18.600]  she ruled that I won
[15:18.600 --> 15:22.500]  because the evidence used in the hearing is unauthenticated
[15:22.500 --> 15:25.000]  because you cannot authenticate a video
[15:25.000 --> 15:27.700]  without an individual being present to testify
[15:27.700 --> 15:30.700]  there's a true and actual depiction of the events
[15:30.700 --> 15:32.900]  that occurred at the time and place in question
[15:32.900 --> 15:34.600]  or they can do it by affidavit
[15:34.600 --> 15:36.400]  and neither one of those applied
[15:36.400 --> 15:38.500]  so I won on constitutional grounds
[15:38.500 --> 15:40.800]  but she did not take down the cameras
[15:40.800 --> 15:43.100]  and that's what I was trying to get done
[15:43.100 --> 15:43.900]  Yeah
[15:43.900 --> 15:45.800]  Well, a couple things on that
[15:45.800 --> 15:48.200]  one of which is that it's my understanding
[15:48.200 --> 15:49.900]  that even with an affidavit
[15:49.900 --> 15:52.900]  without the person that signed the affidavit
[15:52.900 --> 15:55.100]  being available to be cross-examined
[15:55.100 --> 15:58.400]  even the affidavit can't stand in court
[15:58.400 --> 16:02.900]  but besides that the question I would like to ask
[16:02.900 --> 16:05.500]  and you may want to pass this on to your brother
[16:05.500 --> 16:09.400]  is how can it not be a crime
[16:09.400 --> 16:11.100]  for them to put those in
[16:11.100 --> 16:13.300]  when in the writings of the documentation
[16:13.300 --> 16:16.100]  they acknowledge that they know
[16:16.100 --> 16:20.200]  they are going to cause an increase in rear-end accidents
[16:20.200 --> 16:23.900]  thus creating a danger and harm to the public at large
[16:23.900 --> 16:26.800]  all in the name of money
[16:26.800 --> 16:28.500]  I totally agree with you on that
[16:28.500 --> 16:30.900]  in fact, when I ran the life
[16:30.900 --> 16:32.100]  one of the things I talked about
[16:32.100 --> 16:37.100]  was just that it was a money grab by the vendors
[16:37.100 --> 16:37.900]  Yes
[16:37.900 --> 16:40.100]  Yeah, Mike, hold that thought right there
[16:40.100 --> 16:41.900]  about the money grab by the vendors
[16:41.900 --> 16:43.900]  absolutely
[16:43.900 --> 16:46.000]  and folks, we're going to be opening up the phone lines
[16:46.000 --> 16:49.700]  in a few minutes for folks who have questions
[16:49.700 --> 16:53.300]  for Mike or Jim about the red light camera issue
[16:53.300 --> 16:55.800]  and Mike is going to tell his story as well
[16:55.800 --> 16:57.300]  we'll be right back
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[17:43.600 --> 17:49.100]  or call 512-646-6440 with any questions
[17:49.100 --> 17:52.400]  ask for Chad and say you heard about us on Rule of Law Radio
[17:52.400 --> 17:53.900]  or 90.1 FM
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[18:23.900 --> 18:27.200]  we ask the question
[18:27.200 --> 18:28.900]  let's love again
[18:28.900 --> 18:31.700]  and they don't have the answer
[18:31.700 --> 18:33.700]  let's hope there's peace beside
[18:33.700 --> 18:38.500]  I can't go easy on how the war will end if it's easy
[18:38.500 --> 18:41.000]  them I can't wait to politically end
[18:41.000 --> 18:43.500]  them getting mad and angry
[18:43.500 --> 18:45.700]  but them not standing up and fighting
[18:45.700 --> 18:48.500]  fight for the freedom and be free
[18:48.500 --> 18:51.400]  and they like them love slavery and get hanged
[18:51.400 --> 18:54.500]  them like them love slavery
[18:54.500 --> 18:57.400]  because they're getting a handout from the government
[18:57.400 --> 18:59.200]  don't you see
[18:59.200 --> 19:03.800]  some words of wisdom from my singer Patterson Martin
[19:03.800 --> 19:07.000]  of our band The Three Shoes Posse
[19:07.000 --> 19:11.500]  this is how people get enslaved by taking the government handout
[19:11.500 --> 19:13.000]  okay so at any rate Mike
[19:13.000 --> 19:15.700]  before you finish your thought about the vendors
[19:15.700 --> 19:17.100]  the money vendors
[19:17.100 --> 19:19.700]  I wanted to just go back to Jim real quick
[19:19.700 --> 19:22.200]  I remember Jim when you won the big battle
[19:22.200 --> 19:23.400]  we had you on last time
[19:23.400 --> 19:25.500]  but they hadn't taken the cameras down yet
[19:25.500 --> 19:27.900]  and I remember talking to my
[19:27.900 --> 19:29.800]  our mutual friend Aaron on the phone
[19:29.800 --> 19:31.700]  and Aaron was telling me
[19:31.700 --> 19:32.600]  well they turned them off
[19:32.600 --> 19:34.100]  but they hadn't taken them down yet
[19:34.100 --> 19:35.600]  but I want them to take them down
[19:35.600 --> 19:39.300]  so I can run over them with my truck
[19:39.300 --> 19:40.600]  that's what Aaron told me
[19:40.600 --> 19:42.100]  so what is the status
[19:42.100 --> 19:44.100]  did they take them down
[19:44.100 --> 19:46.200]  they did take them down
[19:46.200 --> 19:50.000]  I have a webpage it's more of a history right now
[19:50.000 --> 19:52.900]  but civilviolation.com
[19:52.900 --> 19:57.300]  and in that picture you can see the red light camera vendor truck
[19:57.300 --> 19:59.800]  taking the red light cameras down
[19:59.800 --> 20:03.000]  and our no red light cameras
[20:03.000 --> 20:06.900]  and college station stickers on the actual equipment
[20:06.900 --> 20:08.100]  it's there
[20:08.100 --> 20:10.600]  so you know it was ultimately a victory
[20:10.600 --> 20:12.500]  there was an ensuing lawsuit
[20:12.500 --> 20:15.500]  that really gets down in the weeds
[20:15.500 --> 20:19.100]  as far as the technicalities of that
[20:19.100 --> 20:23.200]  referendum petition type thing
[20:23.200 --> 20:26.000]  but at the end of the day the cameras are gone
[20:26.000 --> 20:30.800]  and the existing mayor and council members that were
[20:30.800 --> 20:33.800]  the mayor in fact was thrown out of office
[20:33.800 --> 20:34.900]  I should say
[20:34.900 --> 20:36.200]  we've got a brand new mayor
[20:36.200 --> 20:38.300]  and the new mayor ran on
[20:38.300 --> 20:41.000]  if you want to get treated like
[20:41.000 --> 20:44.000]  the former mayor treated you with the red light cameras
[20:44.000 --> 20:48.000]  this is an example of you know municipal problems
[20:48.000 --> 20:50.200]  now we have a new mayor in college station
[20:50.200 --> 20:53.300]  and it's a new world in college station
[20:53.300 --> 20:55.500]  well that's awesome I'm so glad to hear it
[20:55.500 --> 20:58.200]  okay now back to the vendors the money vendors
[20:58.200 --> 21:01.400]  Eddie made the point that statistics have shown
[21:01.400 --> 21:03.800]  official research studies have shown
[21:03.800 --> 21:06.400]  that it increases accidents
[21:06.400 --> 21:08.800]  especially rear end collisions and so
[21:08.800 --> 21:11.500]  what's the deal that they're still putting them up
[21:11.500 --> 21:14.200]  isn't that some kind of cause of action for lawsuit
[21:14.200 --> 21:15.300]  I would believe that it is
[21:15.300 --> 21:17.800]  so Mike you were about just about to comment on
[21:17.800 --> 21:20.600]  on the money vendors when we went to break
[21:20.600 --> 21:23.500]  well we learned that the in the city of Houston
[21:23.500 --> 21:25.400]  the vendors are getting somewhere between
[21:25.400 --> 21:29.000]  five and six thousand dollars a month per camera
[21:29.000 --> 21:30.400]  on the lease
[21:30.400 --> 21:32.700]  and so consequently whether or not they
[21:32.700 --> 21:34.300]  they generate any money at all
[21:34.300 --> 21:36.600]  the vendors going to make money big money
[21:36.600 --> 21:38.100]  because there's 70 of them now
[21:38.100 --> 21:40.700]  and they're about to implement another 50
[21:40.700 --> 21:46.700]  and it's just a gigantic money grab for the for the vendors
[21:46.700 --> 21:49.700]  and so the taxpayers are paying for this anyway
[21:49.700 --> 21:53.400]  regardless if they're issuing any tickets or not
[21:53.400 --> 21:55.200]  right one of the city councilmen told me
[21:55.200 --> 21:58.200]  that it's approximately that the net is about 15
[21:58.200 --> 22:01.000]  or the gross is about 15 million dollars a year
[22:01.000 --> 22:02.800]  and I want to give the city of Houston
[22:02.800 --> 22:05.400]  a stimulus package of 15 million dollars
[22:05.400 --> 22:07.000]  by keeping the money here
[22:07.000 --> 22:10.300]  the tickets in Houston come from Mesa Arizona
[22:10.300 --> 22:13.400]  and they you mail the money to Cincinnati Ohio
[22:13.400 --> 22:17.600]  it's a it's just a real joke
[22:17.600 --> 22:19.800]  is now wait a minute
[22:19.800 --> 22:22.300]  what is the transportation code say about this
[22:22.300 --> 22:25.400]  about collecting revenue on these red light cameras
[22:25.400 --> 22:26.800]  Eddie do you know anything about this
[22:26.800 --> 22:30.300]  is that according to law that the the money
[22:30.300 --> 22:32.400]  for the tickets is to be sent to these vendors
[22:32.400 --> 22:34.200]  or their subcontractors
[22:34.200 --> 22:36.300]  they can pay them for it of course
[22:36.300 --> 22:38.300]  for the maintenance the management and all that
[22:38.300 --> 22:42.900]  what they cannot do is pay them a cut of the fine
[22:42.900 --> 22:46.100]  but what about the people who are mailing in the revenue
[22:46.100 --> 22:47.000]  for the tickets
[22:47.000 --> 22:49.500]  he's saying that you mail in the you send the money
[22:49.500 --> 22:53.100]  to Cincinnati when you get a red light camera ticket
[22:53.100 --> 22:54.100]  nothing wrong with that
[22:54.100 --> 22:56.000]  if that's where the contract says send it
[22:56.000 --> 22:57.700]  you agree that you owe it
[22:57.700 --> 23:01.500]  the problem is is are you guilty of the act
[23:01.500 --> 23:03.400]  that they're accusing you of
[23:03.400 --> 23:05.500]  if you feel that you are and that you owe the money
[23:05.500 --> 23:08.800]  well nobody's going to stand in your way and sending it in
[23:08.800 --> 23:11.600]  but when you understand what's being done to you
[23:11.600 --> 23:14.300]  whether you've run the light or not
[23:14.300 --> 23:16.500]  you have the opportunity to say no
[23:16.500 --> 23:18.800]  I intend to fight this and do something about it
[23:18.800 --> 23:21.500]  as these gentlemen did
[23:21.500 --> 23:23.100]  otherwise it's a simple matter
[23:23.100 --> 23:24.300]  if you agree you owe it
[23:24.300 --> 23:25.600]  nobody's stopping you
[23:25.600 --> 23:27.000]  nobody can
[23:27.000 --> 23:28.300]  well remember this
[23:28.300 --> 23:31.000]  that many of the police officers talk to me
[23:31.000 --> 23:32.800]  saying Mr. Kubach over half the time
[23:32.800 --> 23:34.800]  that I stopped somebody in a car
[23:34.800 --> 23:36.600]  they're not in their own cars
[23:36.600 --> 23:37.500]  I'm a businessman
[23:37.500 --> 23:39.200]  I own about three or four different cars
[23:39.200 --> 23:40.700]  and I only drive one
[23:40.700 --> 23:41.700]  my wife drives one
[23:41.700 --> 23:42.800]  two of my sons drive
[23:42.800 --> 23:44.400]  and some of my employees
[23:44.400 --> 23:48.200]  and so when a ticket is issued to somebody
[23:48.200 --> 23:49.700]  it's issued to the last person
[23:49.700 --> 23:51.700]  who legally registered the car
[23:51.700 --> 23:53.300]  so if you sell your car
[23:53.300 --> 23:55.200]  and somebody who has not registered it
[23:55.200 --> 23:56.700]  well the ticket's going to come to you
[23:56.700 --> 23:58.200]  and if you're a grandmother
[23:58.200 --> 24:00.900]  and your grandsons come visit you from Chicago
[24:00.900 --> 24:01.900]  and they drive your car
[24:01.900 --> 24:02.800]  you're going to get the ticket
[24:02.800 --> 24:05.000]  while your grandsons are driving your car
[24:05.000 --> 24:06.400]  it's just not right
[24:06.400 --> 24:08.500]  and here's the real twist for me
[24:08.500 --> 24:10.300]  is that the burden of proof
[24:10.300 --> 24:12.800]  is on the owner of the vehicle
[24:12.800 --> 24:14.700]  under the civil statute
[24:14.700 --> 24:18.300]  that they're persecuting people with
[24:18.300 --> 24:19.600]  the burden of the proof
[24:19.600 --> 24:23.300]  is on the person being charged with the crime
[24:23.300 --> 24:26.000]  which is reversed from the criminal law
[24:26.000 --> 24:29.300]  which says the state has to prove you wrong
[24:29.300 --> 24:31.400]  it has to prove you did the crime
[24:31.400 --> 24:34.000]  in this case you'd have to go prove
[24:34.000 --> 24:35.500]  that you sold the vehicle
[24:35.500 --> 24:37.000]  or it was transferred to someone
[24:37.000 --> 24:38.200]  or it had been stolen
[24:38.200 --> 24:40.000]  you're required to go do that
[24:40.000 --> 24:41.600]  or that somebody else was driving it
[24:41.600 --> 24:43.700]  you're going to have to finger somebody else
[24:43.700 --> 24:45.000]  and if it's your wife driving it
[24:45.000 --> 24:46.900]  I thought you had immunity
[24:46.900 --> 24:49.700]  where you didn't have to testify against your wife
[24:49.700 --> 24:51.200]  right
[24:51.200 --> 24:52.900]  there's all kinds of problems with it
[24:52.900 --> 24:55.500]  from that perspective
[24:55.500 --> 24:56.700]  in College Station
[24:56.700 --> 25:02.100]  the cameras were $4750 a month per camera
[25:02.100 --> 25:04.000]  the red light camera interest
[25:04.000 --> 25:05.300]  according to the contract
[25:05.300 --> 25:08.800]  guaranteed them a certain number of tickets
[25:08.800 --> 25:10.100]  in my opinion
[25:10.100 --> 25:14.700]  when you guarantee a certain number of actionable tickets
[25:14.700 --> 25:17.700]  it's constructive
[25:17.700 --> 25:19.500]  you know revenue generation
[25:19.500 --> 25:20.600]  in that it's a good
[25:20.600 --> 25:22.600]  from that perspective
[25:22.600 --> 25:25.200]  they're guaranteeing the total number of the tickets
[25:25.200 --> 25:27.100]  if they don't deliver that number of tickets
[25:27.100 --> 25:29.300]  they'll reduce their fees
[25:29.300 --> 25:30.900]  you can say it in different ways
[25:30.900 --> 25:33.000]  but to me that's a quota
[25:33.000 --> 25:34.700]  that that machine has
[25:34.700 --> 25:36.500]  and they're going to ensure that they deliver
[25:36.500 --> 25:39.900]  a number of actionable items to the city
[25:39.900 --> 25:40.900]  in College Station
[25:40.900 --> 25:43.700]  the city also paid them $3.75
[25:43.700 --> 25:46.300]  for every ticket collected
[25:46.300 --> 25:48.200]  on where you paid online
[25:48.200 --> 25:50.600]  which is in direct violation of state law
[25:50.600 --> 25:52.300]  those are things that people around the state
[25:52.300 --> 25:55.000]  need to look into the contracts that exist
[25:55.000 --> 25:57.100]  these contracts are cookie cutter contracts
[25:57.100 --> 25:59.000]  that go from city to city to city
[25:59.000 --> 26:02.200]  they're all very similar
[26:02.200 --> 26:04.100]  Eddie you were going to make a comment about this
[26:04.100 --> 26:06.700]  yes in that particular area
[26:06.700 --> 26:09.500]  paying that fee for every ticket issued
[26:09.500 --> 26:13.000]  that's absolutely illegal under Texas law
[26:13.000 --> 26:14.900]  it's every ticket
[26:14.900 --> 26:17.600]  it's a fee they pay
[26:17.600 --> 26:21.500]  when you pay online with a credit card
[26:21.500 --> 26:23.900]  and the city instead of passing it on to the
[26:23.900 --> 26:26.000]  to the defendant
[26:26.000 --> 26:28.100]  just pays the red light camera company
[26:28.100 --> 26:36.200]  and that like I say is a direct violation of the state law
[26:36.200 --> 26:37.500]  well there
[26:37.500 --> 26:39.900]  the second book that I'm doing right now
[26:39.900 --> 26:41.600]  is going to be documenting
[26:41.600 --> 26:43.300]  quite a few of these laws
[26:43.300 --> 26:44.900]  where our legislature
[26:44.900 --> 26:47.100]  has completely departed from what
[26:47.100 --> 26:50.000]  authority we the people gave them
[26:50.000 --> 26:53.100]  and it's going to address that in specificity
[26:53.100 --> 26:55.800]  right along with actual legislation
[26:55.800 --> 26:57.500]  to correct the problem
[26:57.500 --> 27:00.200]  and allow us as the people
[27:00.200 --> 27:01.800]  to have some say so
[27:01.800 --> 27:04.200]  and ability to hold them accountable
[27:04.200 --> 27:06.000]  when they do these things
[27:06.000 --> 27:08.600]  now whether or not we'll actually get it enforced
[27:08.600 --> 27:10.400]  and passed into law
[27:10.400 --> 27:11.800]  that's a whole another question
[27:11.800 --> 27:13.900]  not without public support
[27:13.900 --> 27:17.900]  but we really need to be riding our legislature
[27:17.900 --> 27:20.800]  with very sharp spurs
[27:20.800 --> 27:22.800]  to do what we want them to do
[27:22.800 --> 27:25.700]  not what they think they can get away with
[27:25.700 --> 27:26.700]  correct
[27:26.700 --> 27:28.700]  well Eddie the ticket itself
[27:28.700 --> 27:30.500]  is supposed to have language on it
[27:30.500 --> 27:31.700]  according to state law
[27:31.700 --> 27:33.000]  that requires them to say
[27:33.000 --> 27:35.500]  that you cannot be arrested if you don't pay it
[27:35.500 --> 27:37.500]  and that it can't go on your credit
[27:37.500 --> 27:41.400]  and we see that they're now sending out
[27:41.400 --> 27:43.400]  that you can't renew the license plate of your car
[27:43.400 --> 27:45.200]  they call it scoff law
[27:45.200 --> 27:48.200]  but we have a website up where that
[27:48.200 --> 27:50.200]  we have Ed Emmett our county judge
[27:50.200 --> 27:52.700]  who says it's just not simply not true
[27:52.700 --> 27:57.200]  we're not withholding the renewal of the license plate of the car
[27:57.200 --> 27:58.900]  but they're doing this to scare people
[27:58.900 --> 28:00.600]  and they come from the police department
[28:00.600 --> 28:02.400]  and if you know anything about the law
[28:02.400 --> 28:04.100]  you know the police cannot
[28:04.100 --> 28:06.100]  get involved in civil matters
[28:06.100 --> 28:07.700]  they only get involved in criminal matters
[28:07.700 --> 28:09.800]  that's why you have constables and sheriff's deputies
[28:09.800 --> 28:11.000]  for civil matters
[28:11.000 --> 28:13.000]  but this notice comes to you
[28:13.000 --> 28:15.300]  with Houston Police Department
[28:15.300 --> 28:17.300]  photo enforcement program
[28:17.300 --> 28:21.700]  PO Box 59995 in Phoenix, Arizona
[28:21.700 --> 28:24.300]  and you mail the money to Houston Police Department
[28:24.300 --> 28:27.500]  photo enforcement PO Box in Cincinnati, Ohio
[28:27.500 --> 28:29.700]  it just reeks with injustice
[28:29.700 --> 28:32.500]  yeah, this is one place where I believe
[28:32.500 --> 28:36.200]  Mike Mears' Fair Debt Collection Practices Act package
[28:36.200 --> 28:39.200]  might get a secondary finding of good use
[28:39.200 --> 28:41.300]  because that's all that notice is
[28:41.300 --> 28:43.100]  is a notice of a debt
[28:43.100 --> 28:45.200]  and an attempt to collect it
[28:45.200 --> 28:47.200]  an alleged debt to boot
[28:47.200 --> 28:49.000]  it's nothing more
[28:49.000 --> 28:52.400]  which you sign no document that you're in a contract with them
[28:52.400 --> 28:53.600]  exactly
[28:53.600 --> 28:58.400]  so what you've got is a fraudulent attempt to collect an alleged debt
[28:58.400 --> 29:02.400]  which is a violation of your civil rights
[29:02.400 --> 29:03.700]  as the law likes to put it
[29:03.700 --> 29:07.100]  yeah, I bet there's not even a mini Miranda on it either
[29:07.100 --> 29:11.400]  so given that there is a good chance
[29:11.400 --> 29:14.700]  that Mike Mears' package could be used to prosecute
[29:14.700 --> 29:16.500]  I was just thinking that
[29:16.500 --> 29:18.100]  in federal court too
[29:18.100 --> 29:20.500]  you know what, guys, you know what I mean by mini Miranda
[29:20.500 --> 29:22.700]  it says that this is an attempt to collect a debt
[29:22.700 --> 29:25.500]  and any information obtained will be used to blah blah blah
[29:25.500 --> 29:26.600]  yeah, that's the mini Miranda
[29:26.600 --> 29:29.600]  I bet there's not even a mini Miranda on these things
[29:29.600 --> 29:32.300]  and yeah, it's time to file against them in federal court
[29:32.300 --> 29:36.400]  for under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act
[29:36.400 --> 29:37.800]  let's get out of here
[29:39.400 --> 29:40.500]  okay, listen folks
[29:40.500 --> 29:41.700]  Jim is going to have to run
[29:41.700 --> 29:43.600]  but he's agreed to stay on for a few more minutes
[29:43.600 --> 29:47.200]  so folks, if you want to ask Jim Ash a question
[29:47.200 --> 29:50.800]  about his ordeals or anything else
[29:50.800 --> 29:51.800]  call in right now
[29:51.800 --> 29:53.000]  Jim will stay on a few more minutes
[29:53.000 --> 29:55.500]  Mike Kubosh is going to stay on with us for a little while longer
[29:55.500 --> 29:58.000]  we're on the topic of red light cameras
[30:00.800 --> 30:04.000]  it is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM
[30:04.000 --> 30:06.600]  but finding things on the internet isn't so easy
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[32:27.000 --> 32:29.000]  when you're going to stop abuse, you're power
[32:29.300 --> 32:42.300]  when you're going to stop abuse, you're power
[32:42.300 --> 32:45.100]  when you're going to stop abuse, you're power
[32:45.100 --> 32:48.400]  when you're going to stop abuse, your power
[32:48.400 --> 32:53.700]  well they're not going to, folks, until we make them stop
[32:53.700 --> 33:00.700]  That's why we do this radio show, that's why we got 90.1, we got Rule of Law Radio Network,
[33:00.700 --> 33:07.160]  we got GCNLive.com, Alex Jones, we got the Kubosh Brothers, Jim Ash, Randy Kelton, we
[33:07.160 --> 33:12.540]  got Agenda 21 Talk, all the great shows on Rule of Law Radio Network, Radio Free Oklahoma
[33:12.540 --> 33:21.540]  exposing the Oklahoma City bombing as an inside job, just like 9-11, the whole nine yards.
[33:21.540 --> 33:27.060]  Oh yes, and by the way, the cat is out of the bag, it's okay to make the announcement.
[33:27.060 --> 33:32.020]  Chris Emery from Radio Free Oklahoma, the reason he's not doing the show right now currently
[33:32.020 --> 33:39.900]  is because after seven years, he's finally managed to get the funding to make his documentary
[33:39.900 --> 33:47.980]  that he's been preparing ever since 1995, folks concerning exposing the Oklahoma City
[33:47.980 --> 33:52.660]  bombing, what really happened, the evidence that they have, I mean, obviously we don't
[33:52.660 --> 33:59.060]  know every detail, but boy, do they ever have a mountain of evidence.
[33:59.060 --> 34:06.060]  So Holland Vanden Nieuwenhof, Chris Emery and the gang, James Lane of Radio Free Oklahoma
[34:06.060 --> 34:13.300]  and We Are Change Oklahoma, documentary should be ready in less than one year, the first
[34:13.300 --> 34:17.100]  one ever made on the Oklahoma City bombing, so that is coming up, they talked about it
[34:17.100 --> 34:18.100]  a little bit last night.
[34:18.100 --> 34:23.460]  So at any rate, we're going back now to Mike Kubosh and Mike, you're going to tell your
[34:23.460 --> 34:28.780]  story of how you got into all this and there was the stage running of the red light and
[34:28.780 --> 34:32.540]  all this kind of stuff, so why don't you just back up and tell your whole story from the
[34:32.540 --> 34:35.780]  beginning, how you and Paul got into this crusade.
[34:35.780 --> 34:42.340]  Well before the cameras ever came up in Houston, there was a tweaking of the transportation
[34:42.340 --> 34:47.300]  code, the commercial transportation code against the legislature and Linda Harper Brown in
[34:47.300 --> 34:53.640]  Dallas had a third reading of an amendment, on the third reading, she was the author so
[34:53.640 --> 34:57.380]  she could amend it, so she amended and put the word civil in the commercial trucking
[34:57.380 --> 35:04.060]  code and then the state senator concurred, but before they did, they asked one of the
[35:04.060 --> 35:09.420]  state reps, is this going to just affect commercial trucking and she never responded, but another
[35:09.420 --> 35:16.700]  one of the representatives said yes, so as a result it passed and then the next week
[35:16.700 --> 35:20.740]  she said in the Dallas Morning News, the trick of the amendment was now they can have photo
[35:20.740 --> 35:26.940]  enforcement, so the city scan, so as soon as this came up, we realized in Garland they
[35:26.940 --> 35:32.420]  had cameras, we ran up to Garland and I got a red light in Garland, a ticket in Garland,
[35:32.420 --> 35:38.300]  so you have to get a ticket to be harmed so you can challenge it in court, so I got the
[35:38.300 --> 35:44.860]  ticket and I was going to file a federal state lawsuit and in the meanwhile I saw the city
[35:44.860 --> 35:48.340]  of Houston was about to do it so we decided just well we'll just wait and do it in Houston,
[35:48.340 --> 35:52.340]  so we had let the media know we had ran the light in Garland and they said when you're
[35:52.340 --> 35:55.820]  going to do it in Houston let us know and the next thing you know we make a press release
[35:55.820 --> 36:00.500]  and on a Sunday morning we have about 30 to 40 folks out at this intersection called Milam
[36:00.500 --> 36:05.980]  and Elgin downtown Houston, there was no traffic and two squad cars pull up and say hey Michael
[36:05.980 --> 36:08.700]  are you going to run the light and I said yes and they said well let me have your drivers
[36:08.700 --> 36:14.860]  license, the media was if I was on TV I had to, I was mic'd up on one of the radio stations
[36:14.860 --> 36:20.940]  and they took my license and said we'll block the intersection for you, we don't want to
[36:20.940 --> 36:25.980]  be here, mayor's office made us come and in that way it would trump the red light camera
[36:25.980 --> 36:29.420]  ticket but they said look they've already turned the cameras off at every intersection
[36:29.420 --> 36:33.180]  thinking we didn't know which one of you was going to run so they're all off because they
[36:33.180 --> 36:38.780]  didn't want me to do it so at the right time I ran the light and there was quite a bit
[36:38.780 --> 36:42.540]  of emotion inside of me running the light right in front of the cops you know and anyway
[36:42.540 --> 36:46.740]  and so I pulled over and they handed me my ticket and the media ran up to the window
[36:46.740 --> 36:49.780]  and photographed me and the question they asked is well what do you think now that he
[36:49.780 --> 36:54.340]  gave you a ticket, I said well he should have, he seen me run the red light, I said that's
[36:54.340 --> 37:00.620]  what we need is more cops, he can tell why I ran the light, was I drunk, was I intoxicated,
[37:00.620 --> 37:04.820]  you know was I in a hurry but that red light camera can't tell why I ran the light but
[37:04.820 --> 37:10.540]  this police officer can, we need more cops and so the next thing you know we're on national
[37:10.540 --> 37:17.300]  TV, I'm on Fox, we're on CNN, you know all of a sudden I'm having these national interviews
[37:17.300 --> 37:21.740]  and had the cop not been there and I just ran the light it would have been a small matter
[37:21.740 --> 37:26.220]  but because they put the police there it just made it huge.
[37:26.220 --> 37:31.500]  Now wait a minute, okay let me get this straight, you were going to run, your intention was
[37:31.500 --> 37:40.060]  to run a red light where there was a red light camera at the intersection but when they somehow
[37:40.060 --> 37:46.140]  the word got spread that you intended on doing this and so they turned off all the red light
[37:46.140 --> 37:47.140]  cameras?
[37:47.140 --> 37:50.780]  All the cameras, yeah, in the entire city which there was only 10 of them at the time.
[37:50.780 --> 37:55.500]  And because they didn't want you to do it because they knew you were going to sue them?
[37:55.500 --> 37:56.500]  That's right.
[37:56.500 --> 38:02.180]  Oh my gosh, okay so you did it anyway and just got a ticket from the police instead?
[38:02.180 --> 38:07.180]  The police and then I get a call from one of the city councilmen and he said look you
[38:07.180 --> 38:11.500]  know there's a huge mistake and I've been called and asked you to go ahead and run the
[38:11.500 --> 38:20.100]  light again and we'll let you have a red light camera ticket and so they dismissed the actual
[38:20.100 --> 38:26.700]  running of the red light and you know the police wrote me and then they wrote me the
[38:26.700 --> 38:31.780]  other ticket and that's the one we took all the way to state court and we won the case
[38:31.780 --> 38:37.460]  on constitutional grounds that the evidence was unauthenticated but the judge did not
[38:37.460 --> 38:39.260]  go far enough and take the cameras down.
[38:39.260 --> 38:43.060]  Had she done that she'd probably still be in office today, she got voted out shortly
[38:43.060 --> 38:44.060]  thereafter.
[38:44.060 --> 38:45.060]  What year was this?
[38:45.060 --> 38:51.700]  Well it happened in 96 and the ruling was somewhere around 98, 99 and then the election,
[38:51.700 --> 38:58.020]  I mean 2009, it was the 90, not 90, it was 2006, by the time it took about two years
[38:58.020 --> 39:04.140]  to go to court about 2008, Bracewell and Giuliani's law firm represented the city of Houston and
[39:04.140 --> 39:09.300]  it just kept dragging on and finally upon the ruling you know if she would have taken
[39:09.300 --> 39:14.580]  the cameras down she would have been a hero and she would have won the next election but
[39:14.580 --> 39:15.580]  she didn't do it.
[39:15.580 --> 39:18.980]  Well did you ask for the cameras to be removed as part of your injunctive release?
[39:18.980 --> 39:19.980]  Of course, yeah.
[39:19.980 --> 39:23.340]  You know I wanted the cameras down, that was the whole motivation, everybody knew that.
[39:23.340 --> 39:29.820]  So she denied at least some of the items of your injunctive release that you asked for?
[39:29.820 --> 39:34.740]  But I won the case on constitutional grounds which then I couldn't appeal the case because
[39:34.740 --> 39:39.740]  I won it you know and she said under the Home Rule Charter she believes they have the right
[39:39.740 --> 39:43.900]  to have the cameras you know I mean she should have went further in taking the cameras down
[39:43.900 --> 39:48.900]  and we could have got her 77,000 people who hadn't paid the ticket to probably vote it
[39:48.900 --> 39:53.140]  for her what do you think?
[39:53.140 --> 39:59.220]  There's no way that you could have appealed her denying you those items of your injunctive
[39:59.220 --> 40:01.420]  release in your prayer?
[40:01.420 --> 40:07.500]  We won the case, we won it on constitutional grounds, it's just that we couldn't, we figured
[40:07.500 --> 40:11.060]  that to go any further we're just throwing money away.
[40:11.060 --> 40:17.420]  Right, so you got the ticket dismissed but you didn't get all the items of the injunctive
[40:17.420 --> 40:20.180]  release requested in your prayer?
[40:20.180 --> 40:21.180]  That's true.
[40:21.180 --> 40:25.820]  I will say this to you, we have been effective and the state convention at the Republican
[40:25.820 --> 40:32.180]  Party this past month, we got it on the Republican Party platform that the Republican Party wants
[40:32.180 --> 40:33.820]  to ban red light cameras.
[40:33.820 --> 40:39.100]  We were trying to get it on the Democratic ticket down in Corpus Christi and couldn't
[40:39.100 --> 40:42.900]  get anybody to get any traction to carry it down there but we're going to have to get
[40:42.900 --> 40:49.820]  back to the legislature again and we're going to have to get the legislature and the representatives
[40:49.820 --> 40:53.980]  to vote these cameras out and the state senators to get rid of these cameras.
[40:53.980 --> 40:54.980]  Absolutely.
[40:54.980 --> 41:01.140]  Indeed, oh my goodness, okay so this was in 96 you said?
[41:01.140 --> 41:04.020]  I said 96 but I mean 2006.
[41:04.020 --> 41:16.060]  Okay, okay so what else has happened in this crusade that y'all started way back in 94?
[41:16.060 --> 41:19.460]  What happened between 94 and 06?
[41:19.460 --> 41:24.260]  Well they came to Houston in 06, had they not came to Houston we were going to take
[41:24.260 --> 41:29.860]  up the battle when the first ones came up in Garland and we went up there and got a
[41:29.860 --> 41:36.300]  ticket in Garland and they put them up first so that's where the battle was going to take
[41:36.300 --> 41:41.740]  place but instead we heard that Houston was going to do it and now I think about 40 different
[41:41.740 --> 41:43.900]  cities have these red light cameras.
[41:43.900 --> 41:49.100]  These vendors have been really successful in selling this safety issue to folks and
[41:49.100 --> 41:53.900]  we're going to make you safe if you give us your money, you know?
[41:53.900 --> 41:54.900]  It's unbelievable.
[41:54.900 --> 42:00.860]  And when city councils are beginning to talk about this the city of Dickinson, Texas was
[42:00.860 --> 42:06.980]  considering red light cameras and the night they were doing the proposal I drove to Dickinson
[42:06.980 --> 42:11.380]  and did a presentation and told them about what was going to happen in their city when
[42:11.380 --> 42:13.500]  they got these red light cameras in.
[42:13.500 --> 42:20.900]  The city council voted unanimously to not put in the cameras so the time to strike is
[42:20.900 --> 42:25.700]  while the city councils are thinking about these contracts it will be in the news and
[42:25.700 --> 42:30.940]  go down and talk to the city council about what you're about to do to them when they
[42:30.940 --> 42:34.300]  put these cameras in.
[42:34.300 --> 42:39.220]  Well we did that in the city of Houston but Mayor White had already drank too late and
[42:39.220 --> 42:43.220]  he wanted the cameras and so did the red light.
[42:43.220 --> 42:48.100]  The red light camera folks had already had too much of an influence on these folks here.
[42:48.100 --> 42:56.620]  Oh my goodness, okay so you won the case in 06 in Houston, however the cameras were not
[42:56.620 --> 42:57.620]  taken down.
[42:57.620 --> 42:58.620]  Were they disabled?
[42:58.620 --> 42:59.620]  No, no, no.
[42:59.620 --> 43:04.860]  All they did was change and add an affidavit that doesn't, in my opinion, doesn't do a
[43:04.860 --> 43:05.860]  thing.
[43:05.860 --> 43:09.980]  Bracewell and Giuliani told the judge that they would make sure an affidavit was attached
[43:09.980 --> 43:15.540]  to be able to authenticate the fact that the videos were true and actual depiction of the
[43:15.540 --> 43:16.540]  events that occurred.
[43:16.540 --> 43:17.540]  Wait, wait, wait.
[43:17.540 --> 43:21.260]  Mayor Giuliani's law firm, Bracewell and Giuliani.
[43:21.260 --> 43:26.380]  Okay, yeah, this is the same Giuliani that was instrumental in the cover-up of 9-11.
[43:26.380 --> 43:29.740]  Oh it was, huh?
[43:29.740 --> 43:32.540]  Yeah, okay, okay.
[43:32.540 --> 43:39.980]  Oh my goodness, the same Giuliani who as soon as all the gold bars and silver bars were
[43:39.980 --> 43:47.180]  removed from the rubble, he stopped the firefighters and everyone else from rescuing any of the
[43:47.180 --> 43:48.660]  remains of the parish.
[43:48.660 --> 43:52.500]  Yeah, this is the same scum bag Giuliani.
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[45:08.060 --> 45:34.820]  Okay, we are watching the sparks fly.
[45:34.820 --> 45:40.420]  Okay, so Giuliani's law firm was representing the city in this case, and they lost.
[45:40.420 --> 45:45.660]  However, ultimately, the city won because the cameras were not taken down.
[45:45.660 --> 45:52.220]  As you can tell, I have zero respect for that liar, Giuliani, because I know what happened.
[45:52.220 --> 45:53.940]  I know people in New York.
[45:53.940 --> 45:57.100]  I have done so much research on 9-11.
[45:57.100 --> 46:00.580]  For years and years and years, I have researched it, and I know everything this man has done
[46:00.580 --> 46:06.820]  is just horrible, the way he treated the first responders and the victims of the families
[46:06.820 --> 46:07.820]  and everything.
[46:07.820 --> 46:09.780]  It was just horrible.
[46:09.780 --> 46:14.700]  All he cared about was rescuing the gold, and there are remains of thousands and thousands
[46:14.700 --> 46:23.220]  of people sitting in the landfill on Long Island right now, because Giuliani didn't
[46:23.220 --> 46:26.860]  care enough to recover the remains.
[46:26.860 --> 46:28.380]  All he cared about was getting the gold.
[46:28.380 --> 46:34.660]  Then, he wants to run for president on the 9-11 platform and have this big donation campaign
[46:34.660 --> 46:36.740]  of everybody give him $9.11.
[46:36.740 --> 46:39.660]  Yeah, he's going to get his one of these days.
[46:39.660 --> 46:40.660]  He's going to get his.
[46:40.660 --> 46:43.500]  At any rate, we're here with Mike Kubas right now.
[46:43.500 --> 46:47.780]  Mike, why don't you tell us right now what's going on?
[46:47.780 --> 46:49.780]  Where is the red light camera fight?
[46:49.780 --> 46:54.100]  What is the status in Houston now that you have won this case, but yet they're still
[46:54.100 --> 46:55.460]  going on?
[46:55.460 --> 46:58.300]  What's going on in the battle against the red light cameras in Houston?
[46:58.300 --> 47:05.540]  Well, we made a decision that once they weren't going to take the cameras down, we said, you
[47:05.540 --> 47:11.260]  know, we've got to have a vote, and we've got to get the citizens to vote.
[47:11.260 --> 47:15.860]  We came up... We had a number of planning meetings with lawyers that know how to talk
[47:15.860 --> 47:20.540]  about these charter amendment, challenge amendment.
[47:20.540 --> 47:25.580]  We drafted a petition that people can sign, and we send it out to them.
[47:25.580 --> 47:34.220]  Paul and I have 129,000 clients here in Harris County area, and we found that about somewhere
[47:34.220 --> 47:39.540]  around 30,000, 40,000 of them are registered voters here in Houston.
[47:39.540 --> 47:45.620]  A lot of them are outside of the actual Houston area, but they're in Harris County.
[47:45.620 --> 47:52.620]  We sent out a letter, and we've got right now about 12,500 verifiable signatures, and
[47:52.620 --> 47:56.900]  so we're about to do another mailing of 30,000 to people who live in the areas around the
[47:56.900 --> 48:02.060]  cameras who I'm sure are frustrated, because they're now writing tickets for write on red,
[48:02.060 --> 48:05.820]  so if you stop and look, and you stop and look, and you don't stop at a specific stop
[48:05.820 --> 48:10.980]  point on that line, they'll send you a ticket in the mail, and so people are really getting
[48:10.980 --> 48:15.820]  frustrated about this, and I get about 10 to 20 calls a day about red light cameras
[48:15.820 --> 48:18.100]  I have for years.
[48:18.100 --> 48:22.300]  People are angry about these cameras, so we decided, like I say, we would take it to the
[48:22.300 --> 48:27.140]  voters, and once we get all these signatures, we're going to take them to the city, we're
[48:27.140 --> 48:33.500]  going to have a big signature gathering on July the 4th, there's a fireworks display
[48:33.500 --> 48:37.620]  downtown Houston, and we've got about 30 votes coming down, we're going to have flipboards
[48:37.620 --> 48:41.180]  and petitions that can fill them out, take them around, and get them signed, hopefully
[48:41.180 --> 48:46.020]  we get 5,000 to 6,000 this weekend, and we're going to turn them in, we're going to try
[48:46.020 --> 48:49.740]  to get them on the ballot in November, now we've already been told by the red light camera
[48:49.740 --> 48:56.940]  vendors, they're lobbyists, they're consultants, they're hired guns, they've said, oh, this
[48:56.940 --> 49:01.420]  will never stand, they're not collecting them right, this didn't ever happen, but you know,
[49:01.420 --> 49:03.980]  we're going to do it, we're going to get it on the ballot, and if they don't put it on
[49:03.980 --> 49:07.140]  the ballot, we're going to meet at city council every meeting, and we're going to hammer them
[49:07.140 --> 49:09.860]  about it.
[49:09.860 --> 49:14.540]  The citizens need to vote, and remember this, every time a municipality has ever had an
[49:14.540 --> 49:20.540]  opportunity to vote against cameras, they've done it 100% of the time, take down the cameras.
[49:20.540 --> 49:21.540]  Absolutely, absolutely.
[49:21.540 --> 49:28.420]  When I go to city council, I would tell the mayor, I said, like Ronald Reagan said to
[49:28.420 --> 49:35.260]  Gorbachev, tear down that wall, I'm asking you mayor, tear down those cameras, and of
[49:35.260 --> 49:40.020]  course, I'm sure he'd act like he didn't even know I was in the room.
[49:40.020 --> 49:47.380]  He'd act like I didn't exist, that's okay, I know he heard me.
[49:47.380 --> 49:52.500]  Oh my goodness, all right, so give out your website, Mike, where people can go and get
[49:52.500 --> 49:53.500]  more information.
[49:53.500 --> 50:04.900]  Yes, it's www.nocameras.com, I'll say it again, no cameras, Houston.com, and if you go to
[50:04.900 --> 50:09.540]  the website, you'll find there's a lot of little buttons to push, you can see the media,
[50:09.540 --> 50:13.980]  you can see the mailing we've done, you can see all the little media things, you can sign
[50:13.980 --> 50:17.700]  up to, hey, I just want to know, I'll let you know I'm supporting you.
[50:17.700 --> 50:21.580]  If you live in Houston, or you know somebody who does, you can put their name and date
[50:21.580 --> 50:27.580]  of birth in, it'll print up their actual ballot, their petition, and they can sign it, mail
[50:27.580 --> 50:30.500]  it in, or you can mail it to them, let them sign it, mail it in.
[50:30.500 --> 50:37.020]  But we're doing everything we can to get rid of these cameras, because they're not helpful,
[50:37.020 --> 50:39.980]  they're actually increasing accidents everywhere they put them up.
[50:39.980 --> 50:44.420]  Has anybody filed any more lawsuits in Houston regarding these cameras?
[50:44.420 --> 50:53.380]  No, you know, I've learned that when you start doing things like this, you know, a lot of
[50:53.380 --> 50:58.140]  folks are really for you, but a lot of times, you know, they just don't have the means to
[50:58.140 --> 50:59.140]  do it.
[50:59.140 --> 51:03.460]  It costs a lot of money, it costs us $155,000 to do that, you know, and people aren't just
[51:03.460 --> 51:07.340]  going to spend that kind of money to take up an issue.
[51:07.340 --> 51:10.700]  Once they realize how much it costs, I have people tell me all the time, oh, it's a principal
[51:10.700 --> 51:13.820]  thing, I don't care what it costs, well, I'm going to tell you how much it costs, all of
[51:13.820 --> 51:16.340]  a sudden, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to do that, you know.
[51:16.340 --> 51:19.820]  Yeah, either that, or you have to learn how to do it pro se, you have to learn how to
[51:19.820 --> 51:20.820]  do it yourself.
[51:20.820 --> 51:27.500]  Absolutely, and the struggle continues, but without people getting politically active,
[51:27.500 --> 51:32.780]  the government will run roughshod over us.
[51:32.780 --> 51:37.500]  We must get involved, we must get engaged, we have to get engaged.
[51:37.500 --> 51:42.460]  Absolutely, I can't concur more, I mean, I'll tell you what, Mike, so, you know, I started
[51:42.460 --> 51:49.860]  getting active as an activist probably back in around 03, 04, when I first started learning
[51:49.860 --> 51:56.220]  about the truth about 9-11, and, you know, my degree is in math, okay, I'm a mathematician
[51:56.220 --> 52:01.820]  and a computer scientist by trade, and I also am a physical therapist, that's the field
[52:01.820 --> 52:08.260]  I got into after I was in the science field, okay, but since then, I've had to become an
[52:08.260 --> 52:14.980]  architect, I've had to become an engineer, I've had to become a physicist, I've had
[52:14.980 --> 52:22.220]  to become, study electromagnetics, I've had to become a forensics analysis in order to
[52:22.220 --> 52:26.700]  learn about, you know, the spheres and the nanothermite with the barium and all that
[52:26.700 --> 52:32.700]  kind of stuff, military-grade nanothermite that was found in the dust, unexploded military-grade
[52:32.700 --> 52:38.460]  nanothermite, I might add, that was found in the paint chips from the dust, from 9-11,
[52:38.460 --> 52:44.100]  so I've had to become a physicist and all these things, and now I've had to become a
[52:44.100 --> 52:50.220]  lawyer, so to speak, without a bar card, study law, learn about their code of criminal procedure,
[52:50.220 --> 52:54.820]  learn about the rules of evidence, and, you know, the federal civil rules of procedure
[52:54.820 --> 52:59.700]  and all these kinds of things, and now we're having to become chemical engineers so that
[52:59.700 --> 53:06.340]  we can learn about all these noxious gases like methylene chloride and benzene and hydrogen
[53:06.340 --> 53:11.820]  sulfide and whatever else from these volatile organic gases, low boiling point compounds
[53:11.820 --> 53:15.580]  and all these things, so it's like, yeah, it's a matter of survival, we've had to,
[53:15.580 --> 53:21.340]  Jerry and I have had to basically educate ourselves with degrees and like, at least
[53:21.340 --> 53:27.420]  a dozen different sciences in order just to learn how to survive, and so, yeah, unless
[53:27.420 --> 53:33.300]  you've got deep pockets to fight these people, you just have to learn to fight it yourself,
[53:33.300 --> 53:39.220]  you just have to get what we used to call in the old days, cracking the books, it's
[53:39.220 --> 53:43.900]  called hitting the books and studying, and thank God we have the internet, and I don't,
[53:43.900 --> 53:47.740]  Jerry and I don't have any children, I mean, I don't think, I don't see how we would have
[53:47.740 --> 53:52.420]  time to have children, the tremendous responsibility that's been placed on us, we feel like we
[53:52.420 --> 53:57.260]  have 10,000 children already just to take care of the listeners, so, yeah, folks, if
[53:57.260 --> 54:03.300]  it really means that much to you, you have to stand up and fight for your freedom because
[54:03.300 --> 54:08.460]  our forefathers put their lives on the line, and a lot of them did die, you know, including
[54:08.460 --> 54:14.140]  some of my ancestors, so I agree wholeheartedly, Mike, you know, folks are going to have to
[54:14.140 --> 54:18.740]  do it themselves if they don't have the money, and if we had the deep pockets, we probably
[54:18.740 --> 54:22.340]  wouldn't be fighting this battle anyway because it's the guys with the deep pockets that are
[54:22.340 --> 54:25.740]  calling all the shots, the guys and gals that is.
[54:25.740 --> 54:31.620]  Absolutely, and we're going to continue this battle, and we're going to get these cameras
[54:31.620 --> 54:36.260]  out of Houston, and once we do, we're also going to take all this to the legislature
[54:36.260 --> 54:41.100]  this next session here in Texas, and we're going to do everything we can to get the word
[54:41.100 --> 54:47.220]  out that we have got to, we've got to save our state, and we've got to save this country
[54:47.220 --> 54:51.540]  from this spiraling out of control government takeover.
[54:51.540 --> 54:59.060]  Good people are being convinced because they're not thinking, you know, they're being tricked
[54:59.060 --> 55:00.060]  in their mind.
[55:00.060 --> 55:07.660]  I was listening to a Christian radio station the other day, and the DJ said, I got a red
[55:07.660 --> 55:12.140]  light camera ticket in the mail, and I looked at the video they sent, and I was so glad
[55:12.140 --> 55:16.340]  they sent me the ticket because I didn't know I ran that light, and I paid it.
[55:16.340 --> 55:20.580]  So I called her, and it took me a while to get a hold over that day, but I got a hold
[55:20.580 --> 55:23.460]  over it, and I said, so you're glad you got the ticket?
[55:23.460 --> 55:28.100]  She said, well, yes, I said, well, you know, they now have black boxes they're putting
[55:28.100 --> 55:32.060]  in cars and have GPS, it'll also tell you every place where you sped because it knows
[55:32.060 --> 55:36.220]  what the speed limit is, it can tell you when you didn't turn your turn signal on, it can
[55:36.220 --> 55:37.860]  tell you when you didn't stop fully.
[55:37.860 --> 55:42.140]  I said, why don't we just have it download onto a modem at night and send you about 50
[55:42.140 --> 55:44.860]  to 100 tickets every day for everything you've done wrong?
[55:44.860 --> 55:49.260]  And we can just set one up in your living room, too, and see how many times you go to
[55:49.260 --> 55:50.260]  the restroom.
[55:50.260 --> 55:51.260]  I said, well, what are we doing here?
[55:51.260 --> 55:52.260]  We don't need all this surveillance.
[55:52.260 --> 55:55.900]  She said, you know, you're right, I don't know why I said that, but you have to convince
[55:55.900 --> 56:02.820]  people that, hey, this isn't the way to go, all this government surveillance is wrong.
[56:02.820 --> 56:03.820]  It absolutely is.
[56:03.820 --> 56:07.500]  I want the government to get out of my life.
[56:07.500 --> 56:10.100]  I'll pay my taxes, just leave us alone.
[56:10.100 --> 56:12.860]  That's how I feel.
[56:12.860 --> 56:13.860]  Absolutely.
[56:13.860 --> 56:14.860]  It's totally unnecessary.
[56:14.860 --> 56:22.700]  It's more funny staying attached to us than leaving us alone, see?
[56:22.700 --> 56:28.580]  Our biggest mistake was allowing the government to presume that it has a right to generate
[56:28.580 --> 56:31.340]  revenue when it doesn't.
[56:31.340 --> 56:35.780]  It should never have one dime more than it takes to do the functions for which we put
[56:35.780 --> 56:40.580]  them in office and designed the government to run, and no more.
[56:40.580 --> 56:46.100]  It's not supposed to be a business, and it's definitely not supposed to be for profit.
[56:46.100 --> 56:48.820]  Absolutely not.
[56:48.820 --> 56:53.420]  And I believe the whole thing is completely satanic, and all of this surveillance, all
[56:53.420 --> 56:59.140]  of the technology, it's all headed towards the mark of the beast, the RFID chip implants,
[56:59.140 --> 57:03.060]  who where eventually, and a lot of people have already taken it.
[57:03.060 --> 57:04.540]  You think the mark of the beast isn't here?
[57:04.540 --> 57:11.540]  A lot of people have already taken it voluntarily in some circles because it's convenient to
[57:11.540 --> 57:18.340]  have this little chip implanted in your head or in your hand, the back of your hand, so
[57:18.340 --> 57:22.620]  that they can just scan it so that you can do all your banking and business.
[57:22.620 --> 57:24.420]  That's where it's headed right now.
[57:24.420 --> 57:26.220]  It already is here, people.
[57:26.220 --> 57:28.740]  It already is here.
[57:28.740 --> 57:29.740]  It's just right now.
[57:29.740 --> 57:30.740]  It's voluntary.
[57:30.740 --> 57:35.340]  And so this is how they push it off on people all the time, these draconian measures more
[57:35.340 --> 57:36.340]  and more and more.
[57:36.340 --> 57:40.460]  First, it's for convenience, and it's voluntary.
[57:40.460 --> 57:45.940]  Look how cool it is, and you'll save money and all these kinds of perks, but then eventually
[57:45.940 --> 57:51.220]  when it reaches a certain critical mass, that's when they make it mandatory.
[57:51.220 --> 57:53.340]  We have to say no.
[57:53.340 --> 58:00.100]  We have to say no because I do not believe that the Lord ever intended for us to worship
[58:00.100 --> 58:02.500]  the government as God.
[58:02.500 --> 58:03.500]  Absolutely not.
[58:03.500 --> 58:04.500]  No way.
[58:04.500 --> 58:10.060]  I mean, I know about the Romans 13 and everything, but this is an illegitimate government.
[58:10.060 --> 58:13.100]  These people are criminals, and they're trying to kill us.
[58:13.100 --> 58:15.120]  They're into population control.
[58:15.120 --> 58:21.380]  It's strictly all about revenue generation and controlling us and suppressing our freedom
[58:21.380 --> 58:25.540]  of speech and ultimately stopping the preaching of the gospel.
[58:25.540 --> 58:31.620]  All these hate crimes laws, it's to end freedom of speech to stop the gospel, and I am not
[58:31.620 --> 58:34.540]  in agreement with it, and I never will be.
[58:34.540 --> 58:41.460]  All right, so folks, if you would like to call in 512-646-1984, this is the rule of
[58:41.460 --> 58:42.460]  law.
[58:42.460 --> 58:43.460]  We've got one more hour.
[58:43.460 --> 58:45.940]  You can call in and ask Mike or myself or Eddie a question.
[58:45.940 --> 58:48.320]  Randy has the night off.
[58:48.320 --> 59:12.620]  We will be right back.
[59:12.620 --> 59:41.180]  All right, folks, thank you so much for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
[59:41.180 --> 01:00:04.340]  Thank you.
[01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:09.700]  The British government plans to begin forcibly returning child asylum seekers to Afghanistan
[01:00:09.700 --> 01:00:11.740]  possibly as early as August.
[01:00:11.740 --> 01:00:17.140]  The UK border agency aims to initially deport 12 boys a month to a reintegration center
[01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:22.620]  in Kabul that would provide care when their families cannot be found.
[01:00:22.620 --> 01:00:27.800]  Israel has renewed its offer to release 1,000 Palestinian prisoners if the captured soldier
[01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.040]  Gilad Shalit is freed.
[01:00:30.040 --> 01:00:34.580]  The Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned he would not pay any price for the release
[01:00:34.580 --> 01:00:41.380]  of Sergeant Shalit, seized by militants on the Gaza border in 2006.
[01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:45.100]  Attempts to contain the growing oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico have been hampered by
[01:00:45.100 --> 01:00:47.500]  the first hurricane of the season.
[01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:51.780]  Hurricane Alex slammed into Texas several hundred miles to the west of the oil slick.
[01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:57.100]  High winds and waves caused by the storm forced BP to call many boats back into port.
[01:00:57.100 --> 01:01:01.740]  This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet.
[01:01:01.740 --> 01:01:06.940]  Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's fury at being told the Iraq war was illegal was
[01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:11.540]  revealed Wednesday after secret memos from his Attorney General were published.
[01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:16.580]  The Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war released Attorney General Lord Goldsmith's warnings
[01:01:16.580 --> 01:01:22.340]  to Blair the first time a government has ever declassified legal advice to ministers.
[01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:27.460]  The memos detail how time and again Goldsmith told Blair he risked taking the UK into an
[01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:31.780]  unlawful war and Blair's refusal to accept that fact.
[01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:36.500]  In one damning letter to Blair less than two months before the invasion Goldsmith told
[01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:42.760]  him UN Resolution 1441 on which the government came to rely does not authorise the use of
[01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.100]  military force.
[01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:49.780]  An aide to Blair wrote we specifically said we did not need further advice on this matter.
[01:01:49.780 --> 01:01:56.760]  In October 2002 Goldsmith warned Foreign Secretary Jack Straw Blair had gone too far in pledging
[01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.540]  support to George Bush.
[01:02:00.540 --> 01:02:05.940]  A key house that represented its panel voted Wednesday to cut off $4 billion in aid to
[01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:11.560]  Afghanistan pending an investigation into charges Afghan officials are blocking corruption
[01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:15.340]  probes and that huge amounts of foreign aid are being stolen.
[01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:20.100]  The move by the Foreign Aid Appropriations Subcommittee comes after the Washington Post
[01:02:20.100 --> 01:02:24.620]  reported the Karzai government was blocking corruption probes of political allies and
[01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:28.740]  that Afghan power brokers were moving billions of dollars out of the country.
[01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:33.500]  The panel's chairwoman representative Nita Lowy is demanding that the Government Accountability
[01:02:33.500 --> 01:02:38.220]  Office conduct an audit of billions of dollars of US aid.
[01:02:38.220 --> 01:02:42.820]  Representative Lowy said I do not intend to appropriate one more dime for assistance to
[01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:48.860]  Afghanistan until I have confidence US taxpayer money is not being abused to line the pockets
[01:02:48.860 --> 01:03:09.260]  of corrupt Afghan government officials, drug lords and terrorists.
[01:04:18.860 --> 01:04:46.020]  I do not intend to appropriate one more dime for assistance to Afghanistan until I have
[01:04:46.020 --> 01:05:05.820]  confidence US taxpayer money is not being abused to line the pockets of corrupt Afghan
[01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:13.420]  government officials, drug lords and terrorists.
[01:05:13.420 --> 01:05:39.340]  All right, we are back for our two of the rule of law.
[01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:43.260]  I'm Deborah Stevens, we're here with Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton has the night off, we're
[01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:47.980]  here with our guest Mike Kubash, one of the Kubash brothers has been on the crusade against
[01:05:47.980 --> 01:05:55.460]  red light cameras ever since 94, he won a case in Texas court here, however not all
[01:05:55.460 --> 01:06:01.160]  of the points of his injunctive relief were granted mainly, namely having the cameras
[01:06:01.160 --> 01:06:06.780]  removed from Houston so they're still on the campaign to have them removed and get the
[01:06:06.780 --> 01:06:08.980]  issue on the ballot this coming election.
[01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:15.500]  So folks, if you want to call in 512-646-1984, we do have some callers on the line, but before
[01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:21.340]  I go to the callers, Mike, would you please let folks know how they can get involved if
[01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:28.140]  they want to contact you to help set up, would you be able to help folks set up a campaign
[01:06:28.140 --> 01:06:30.260]  in their hometown against red light cameras?
[01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:32.380]  We'll do everything we can to help them.
[01:06:32.380 --> 01:06:42.900]  If they go to our website, www.nocamerasHouston.com, they can go on the website, fill out a part,
[01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:47.900]  one of the little areas there that gives us their information and they can contact us
[01:06:47.900 --> 01:06:51.140]  and we can furnish that information to them.
[01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:56.820]  It's important that people get active and get involved because this government's just
[01:06:56.820 --> 01:07:00.060]  going to continue taking away our liberties.
[01:07:00.060 --> 01:07:07.820]  And so please contact us and you can go to the area that in our website, there's a street
[01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:09.820]  sign that says Merge.
[01:07:09.820 --> 01:07:13.620]  You can join us on Facebook, Citizens Against Red Light Cameras.
[01:07:13.620 --> 01:07:19.420]  You can join our email list and there's other organizations that are involved in doing this
[01:07:19.420 --> 01:07:23.300]  around the country and you may want to join one of theirs if it's near you.
[01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:30.020]  But we're here in Houston and it's www.nocamerasHouston.com.
[01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:31.900]  Excellent.
[01:07:31.900 --> 01:07:38.380]  And I don't know that there is a significant organized movement here in Austin yet against
[01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:40.660]  the red light cameras in Austin.
[01:07:40.660 --> 01:07:43.660]  I know that there's a lot of really good activists here in town.
[01:07:43.660 --> 01:07:48.500]  There's a movement against the fluoride, getting the fluoride, evil fluoride removed from the
[01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:49.500]  water.
[01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:54.180]  There's toxic waste from the fertilizer and aluminum industry to get that out of our water.
[01:07:54.180 --> 01:07:57.300]  There's a lot of activist groups here in Austin.
[01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:00.820]  I don't know of any specifically against the red light cameras.
[01:08:00.820 --> 01:08:05.540]  So folks here in Austin, if you would like to start something up or get involved, please
[01:08:05.540 --> 01:08:09.220]  contact Mike at www.redlightcamerasHouston.com.
[01:08:09.220 --> 01:08:11.540]  No, it's www.nocamerasHouston.com.
[01:08:11.540 --> 01:08:14.540]  Oh, I'm sorry, www.nocamerasHouston.com.
[01:08:14.540 --> 01:08:15.540]  That's it.
[01:08:15.540 --> 01:08:16.540]  Okay.
[01:08:16.540 --> 01:08:17.540]  Sorry about that.
[01:08:17.540 --> 01:08:18.540]  www.nocamerasHouston.com.
[01:08:18.540 --> 01:08:19.540]  Okay.
[01:08:19.540 --> 01:08:25.060]  We're taking your calls, 512-646-1984, just like the George Orwell book.
[01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:27.460]  We are going now to Matt in Texas.
[01:08:27.460 --> 01:08:28.860]  Matt, thanks for calling in.
[01:08:28.860 --> 01:08:29.860]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:08:29.860 --> 01:08:32.380]  Hey, thanks for having me.
[01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:37.820]  I recently got these red light camera tickets here in Austin, and I had no intention of
[01:08:37.820 --> 01:08:38.820]  paying it.
[01:08:38.820 --> 01:08:44.820]  And through communicating with the clerk of the municipal court that they have here, I've
[01:08:44.820 --> 01:08:51.260]  got them to admit that the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure don't apply, the Texas Rules
[01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:56.860]  of Criminal Procedure don't apply, the Texas Rules of Evidence does not apply.
[01:08:56.860 --> 01:09:04.660]  They've admitted that, they say in the ticket that it's a civil penalty, and that there's
[01:09:04.660 --> 01:09:12.380]  an administrative hearing, and so they've also said that this particular administrative
[01:09:12.380 --> 01:09:18.340]  hearing is not governed by the, what is it, the state board that governs all administrative
[01:09:18.340 --> 01:09:19.340]  hearings.
[01:09:19.340 --> 01:09:25.540]  And the Administrative Hearings Act within Texas specifically says that the Texas Rules
[01:09:25.540 --> 01:09:29.860]  of Civil Procedure apply within the administrative hearing.
[01:09:29.860 --> 01:09:38.780]  So my strategy for dealing with this, and I want to see these, you know, totally removed
[01:09:38.780 --> 01:09:46.220]  from Austin, I feel like it's tiptoe totalitarianism for sure, and we need to get these things
[01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:47.700]  out of here.
[01:09:47.700 --> 01:09:58.020]  So I'm thinking that if they go forward and they end up finding me, or putting some sort
[01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:01.900]  of a mark against my credit rating, because that's what I understand this will do if I
[01:10:01.900 --> 01:10:08.940]  don't show up for the ticket, that that will give me grounds then to sue them in federal
[01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:20.740]  court for deprivation of rights, civil rights, and that that could possibly be a vehicle
[01:10:20.740 --> 01:10:22.980]  for getting these things thrown out.
[01:10:22.980 --> 01:10:27.740]  Yeah, we were just discussing that earlier using the Mike Maris method, if they get into
[01:10:27.740 --> 01:10:32.420]  your credit report and all these kinds of things, violations of the Fair Debt Collections
[01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:34.020]  Practices Act.
[01:10:34.020 --> 01:10:35.020]  Right.
[01:10:35.020 --> 01:10:38.060]  So what do you think about that?
[01:10:38.060 --> 01:10:46.900]  I mean, I really don't have the time to, you know, put the suit together, but I'd be happy
[01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:55.260]  to fund it if somebody would help me put everything together and I'd go and do the filings if
[01:10:55.260 --> 01:10:56.980]  I actually came down to that.
[01:10:56.980 --> 01:10:58.700]  Now have you already paid the tickets?
[01:10:58.700 --> 01:11:00.260]  No, I haven't paid the ticket.
[01:11:00.260 --> 01:11:02.020]  I'm not going to pay the ticket.
[01:11:02.020 --> 01:11:03.820]  How long ago did this happen?
[01:11:03.820 --> 01:11:11.580]  So right now, I'm in the process of waiting for a 30-day reply to get them to admit that
[01:11:11.580 --> 01:11:18.220]  basically that I don't have to testify against myself.
[01:11:18.220 --> 01:11:22.380]  I'm waiting for them to answer a question relative to am I compelled to actually testify
[01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:30.860]  against myself by showing up, because I believe that I should be presumed innocent, right?
[01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:34.220]  And evidently, I'm not.
[01:11:34.220 --> 01:11:40.900]  In the case of these camera tickets, you're not presumed innocent at all.
[01:11:40.900 --> 01:11:41.900]  Right.
[01:11:41.900 --> 01:11:46.260]  And that by itself is a violation of civil rights, is it not?
[01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:50.260]  Well, it's a violation of due process is what it is.
[01:11:50.260 --> 01:11:51.260]  Okay.
[01:11:51.260 --> 01:11:52.260]  Very good.
[01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:56.660]  And they cannot put it on your credit, so if you want to, you know, don't worry about
[01:11:56.660 --> 01:11:57.660]  that.
[01:11:57.660 --> 01:11:59.420]  It's not going to go on your credit.
[01:11:59.420 --> 01:12:03.540]  Well, that's what they say they're going to do, they're going to turn it over to a collection
[01:12:03.540 --> 01:12:04.540]  agency.
[01:12:04.540 --> 01:12:05.540]  Well, right.
[01:12:05.540 --> 01:12:10.780]  Then it gets turned over to a collection agency, and I'm not going to pay the collection
[01:12:10.780 --> 01:12:14.180]  agency either, so I would think that at some point that's actually going to show up on
[01:12:14.180 --> 01:12:15.180]  my credit report.
[01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:19.620]  Well, that's where the Mike Mears stuff would actually come in handy.
[01:12:19.620 --> 01:12:23.020]  The fact that they've told you that they're attempting to collect the debt and give it
[01:12:23.020 --> 01:12:29.380]  to a credit agency shows that the applicability of Michael Mears' Fair Debt Collection Practice
[01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:35.380]  and Texas's procedures most likely will carry enough weight to bury them.
[01:12:35.380 --> 01:12:43.380]  Now, under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedures, this photo enforcement camera is found in
[01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:50.780]  the transportation code, it's in Title VII, Chapter 707, and one of the last things that
[01:12:50.780 --> 01:12:56.380]  it says at the very bottom, and I'm reading it, it says, pay you to pay a civil penalty,
[01:12:56.380 --> 01:13:02.460]  it says the imposition of a civil penalty on this chapter is not a conviction and may
[01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:08.660]  not be considered a conviction for any purpose, and the only enforcement there is, is under
[01:13:08.660 --> 01:13:14.140]  Section 707.017 where it says, enforcement, if the owner of a motor vehicle is delinquent
[01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:18.900]  in the payment of a civil penalty imposed on this chapter, the county assessor collector
[01:13:18.900 --> 01:13:22.860]  or the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles may refuse to rest for a motor vehicle alleged
[01:13:22.860 --> 01:13:27.860]  to have been involved in the violation, this section does not apply to the registration
[01:13:27.860 --> 01:13:33.980]  of a motor vehicle under Section 501.0234, which simply means that that other section
[01:13:33.980 --> 01:13:39.340]  is if your dealer is trying to transfer a car, then they do away with it once it gets
[01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:40.340]  to the dealer.
[01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:46.820]  That amendment was made to this last legislative section by one of the, by the House and the
[01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:52.260]  Senate, but I want you to understand that the tax assessor collector, it says, are the
[01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:57.860]  Department of Motor Vehicles may refuse, it doesn't say shall, shall is a must, they
[01:13:57.860 --> 01:14:02.420]  have to do it, may is, they can if they want to, and our tax assessor collector has already
[01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:08.060]  said no, and our county judge has to, here in Harris County.
[01:14:08.060 --> 01:14:12.780]  And also, we do have Paul Kubosch on the line, he's joined us, he was able to break free
[01:14:12.780 --> 01:14:15.740]  from his other obligations, Paul, thank you for joining us.
[01:14:15.740 --> 01:14:17.740]  It's good to be on the show.
[01:14:17.740 --> 01:14:22.460]  Okay, Paul, you said, absolutely, Paul, you said that you had some comments for the caller
[01:14:22.460 --> 01:14:23.460]  Matt.
[01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:33.220]  Yeah, you know, Mike, he hit the nail dead on the head, he hit the nail on the head.
[01:14:33.220 --> 01:14:36.460]  They can't do anything but suspend your registration.
[01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:41.540]  If your county, if your county Commissioner's Court, if they're on board, well then that's
[01:14:41.540 --> 01:14:46.220]  all they can do, they can just hold up the registration.
[01:14:46.220 --> 01:14:52.300]  As far as suing in federal court, you know, I would encourage you before you spend a lot
[01:14:52.300 --> 01:14:57.300]  of money to do some research about the lawsuits that have been filed, a lot of people have
[01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:04.940]  run the gamut federal court and the judges just will not, will not throw these cameras
[01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:07.020]  out based on civil rights violations.
[01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:12.460]  Paul, I think what we were talking about was suing under the Fair Debt Collections Practices
[01:15:12.460 --> 01:15:19.020]  Act for, against civil rights violations, for violations of collections practices statutes
[01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:24.020]  under federal law, you know, things like not putting the mini Miranda and these sorts of
[01:15:24.020 --> 01:15:25.020]  things.
[01:15:25.020 --> 01:15:28.020]  The government's going to be immune.
[01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:33.020]  Well, this would be, this would be suing the contractors and why, why would the government
[01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:34.020]  be immune?
[01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:35.020]  Sovereign immunity.
[01:15:35.020 --> 01:15:36.020]  Sovereign immunity.
[01:15:36.020 --> 01:15:37.020]  The government's going to be immune.
[01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:44.020]  That's, that's, the government's going to be immune, that's why the government can screw
[01:15:44.020 --> 01:15:48.820]  up, they can, they can sue you bad water bills, they can sue you all kinds of stuff like that,
[01:15:48.820 --> 01:15:52.700]  kind of lawyers would go all over that if you, if you could sue under the Debt Federal
[01:15:52.700 --> 01:15:53.700]  Act.
[01:15:53.700 --> 01:15:57.460]  But the, but the private, but if they're private contractors, if they're private entities,
[01:15:57.460 --> 01:15:58.460]  they're not immune.
[01:15:58.460 --> 01:16:03.020]  Well, they could be immune, but the private entity is operating under the, under the color
[01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:04.900]  of, under the color of the government.
[01:16:04.900 --> 01:16:10.620]  It's not, it's not APS who's sitting out the bill, it's the city of Austin.
[01:16:10.620 --> 01:16:11.620]  Okay.
[01:16:11.620 --> 01:16:13.620]  It's the city of Austin.
[01:16:13.620 --> 01:16:19.260]  It's just, it's just like if they, if they hire deputies, contract deputies to come and,
[01:16:19.260 --> 01:16:24.740]  they come and they beat up someone, you're not suing Wackahut Security Company, you're
[01:16:24.740 --> 01:16:31.060]  suing the, the local, the local cities who hired them.
[01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:34.780]  All right then.
[01:16:34.780 --> 01:16:39.540]  They've, they've, you know, they, they have thought this through, APS has got, they've
[01:16:39.540 --> 01:16:44.220]  had a bunch of lawyers sitting around for a very long time thinking this stuff through.
[01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:49.020]  And, and the longer start of it is the politicians have sold their souls for 20 pieces of silver.
[01:16:49.020 --> 01:16:53.260]  You know, I would, I would encourage the people in Austin if they're upset, but start, start
[01:16:53.260 --> 01:16:54.260]  a petition drive.
[01:16:54.260 --> 01:16:57.260]  Okay, listen, hold on, we're going to break, we'll be right back.
[01:16:57.260 --> 01:17:02.260]  Matt, stay on the line.
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[01:18:24.260 --> 01:18:50.460]  Okay, we are back folks.
[01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:55.900]  The topic tonight is the red light cameras.
[01:18:55.900 --> 01:19:02.300]  Mike had to go, however, Paul Kubasch is here and okay, Paul, I was under the impression
[01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:06.780]  that the bills were coming from the private contractors themselves, but if they come from
[01:19:06.780 --> 01:19:08.780]  the government, that's a different story.
[01:19:08.780 --> 01:19:10.820]  We've got Matt from Texas on the line.
[01:19:10.820 --> 01:19:12.860]  Matt, do you have any more questions for Paul?
[01:19:12.860 --> 01:19:20.620]  One of the things that I'm wondering though is how is it even possible for them to have
[01:19:20.620 --> 01:19:29.060]  this court that is said to be, but it's not under the Administrative Procedures Act, it's
[01:19:29.060 --> 01:19:35.660]  not civil, it's not criminal, doesn't there specifically have to be some sort of legislative
[01:19:35.660 --> 01:19:43.420]  act that allows them to create this thing and because they're not actually, they don't
[01:19:43.420 --> 01:19:52.300]  have the authority to do that, I mean who really has the, I don't know, who has the
[01:19:52.300 --> 01:19:55.300]  responsibility of showing up in a court that's totally sham?
[01:19:55.300 --> 01:20:02.260]  Well, you know, you raised a good question because truthfully we did not litigate that
[01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:06.940]  part and the reason why we did not litigate that is because they could have easily have
[01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:10.860]  set it up under the authority of the municipal court.
[01:20:10.860 --> 01:20:19.780]  We didn't even look at that because they can get around that very easily.
[01:20:19.780 --> 01:20:21.180]  How can they get around that easily?
[01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:26.500]  Well, because all they have to do is if they didn't run it in that court, they can hold
[01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:29.100]  the hearings in this regular old municipal court.
[01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:32.780]  Well, what court has subject matter jurisdiction, I think is the real question.
[01:20:32.780 --> 01:20:39.340]  But if they hold them in the municipal court, then they still have to adhere to the Texas
[01:20:39.340 --> 01:20:46.740]  Rules of Civil Procedure and Civil and Criminal Procedure and Texas Rules of Evidence, do
[01:20:46.740 --> 01:20:47.740]  they not?
[01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:50.900]  I mean, they said specifically that they don't have to follow those things.
[01:20:50.900 --> 01:20:57.740]  Well, and that's why they go through the administrative stuff and we didn't fight that part.
[01:20:57.740 --> 01:21:02.220]  You know, in Houston, they hold it like a parking ticket, they do it just like a parking
[01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:03.220]  ticket.
[01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:07.620]  Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, did you just say any court would have subject matter
[01:21:07.620 --> 01:21:08.620]  jurisdiction?
[01:21:08.620 --> 01:21:11.620]  I mean, don't courts specifically?
[01:21:11.620 --> 01:21:17.620]  I think since it's a local art that enables it, we always thought that they could do it
[01:21:17.620 --> 01:21:18.620]  under the municipal court.
[01:21:18.620 --> 01:21:19.620]  Okay.
[01:21:19.620 --> 01:21:22.660]  But what court did they do it under then?
[01:21:22.660 --> 01:21:23.660]  I'm sorry?
[01:21:23.660 --> 01:21:26.460]  What court was it done under if it wasn't the municipal court?
[01:21:26.460 --> 01:21:29.940]  No, it was done in an administrative court and the municipal court.
[01:21:29.940 --> 01:21:33.980]  It wasn't done in the same traffic court that handles the class seating.
[01:21:33.980 --> 01:21:38.020]  The traffic court is the appellate court and that's where it stops.
[01:21:38.020 --> 01:21:43.700]  You cannot get it to the county and you can't get it to the court of appeals to get a written
[01:21:43.700 --> 01:21:44.700]  opinion.
[01:21:44.700 --> 01:21:50.980]  Here's the problem that I see, when a city creates an ordinance, even if the ordinance
[01:21:50.980 --> 01:21:56.980]  is based upon a state law, they're writing their own criteria for what the ordinance
[01:21:56.980 --> 01:21:58.620]  is.
[01:21:58.620 --> 01:22:04.020]  Texas Constitution Article 3, Section 29 says that all laws in Texas must have the enacting
[01:22:04.020 --> 01:22:08.460]  clause and that they must stipulate that they are passed by the legislature of the state
[01:22:08.460 --> 01:22:12.020]  of Texas, not a municipality and not a county.
[01:22:12.020 --> 01:22:17.700]  Well, how are they getting around the enacting clause requirement of the state constitution
[01:22:17.700 --> 01:22:22.580]  to charge you under an ordinance that the constitution says cannot possibly be law?
[01:22:22.580 --> 01:22:27.940]  Well, don't you think that whenever they made the amendments to the transportation
[01:22:27.940 --> 01:22:34.420]  code, when Senator Corona and Representative Murphy carried those bills through, don't
[01:22:34.420 --> 01:22:37.100]  you think that the transportation code would have enabled it?
[01:22:37.100 --> 01:22:43.340]  One of the things that we were finding is that all the tickets prior to that were in
[01:22:43.340 --> 01:22:46.340]  conflict with state law.
[01:22:46.340 --> 01:22:51.340]  Well, that was our position and that the municipal order should be thrown out because the municipal
[01:22:51.340 --> 01:22:55.020]  order cannot be in conflict with state law.
[01:22:55.020 --> 01:23:00.940]  That's true, but the problem that I see in your question there is, one, the legislature
[01:23:00.940 --> 01:23:06.580]  cannot legislatively alter the constitution or make any part of it null and void, so no
[01:23:06.580 --> 01:23:11.060]  legislative enactment has that power and authority.
[01:23:11.060 --> 01:23:15.660]  So whether they want to do it that way or not, to me, would seem to be irrelevant because
[01:23:15.660 --> 01:23:19.020]  they cannot legislatively alter the constitution.
[01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:22.340]  Well, while you have a...
[01:23:22.340 --> 01:23:26.580]  Well, I give you sympathetic gear on that.
[01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:36.220]  They did pass the transportation code, and they said that they could do it, and Judge
[01:23:36.220 --> 01:23:38.220]  Woods said it was okay.
[01:23:38.220 --> 01:23:43.180]  But the amendments to the constitution also specifically state that no amendment or change
[01:23:43.180 --> 01:23:47.100]  to the constitution can affect a vested right.
[01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:52.780]  So if they can't even affect a vested right through amendment of the constitution, how
[01:23:52.780 --> 01:23:54.900]  are they going to do it through legislative enactment?
[01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:58.660]  Well, what is the vested right?
[01:23:58.660 --> 01:24:01.620]  In this particular case, the right to due process of law.
[01:24:01.620 --> 01:24:07.780]  Now, see, you got the custody process, one is procedural, one is substantive due process.
[01:24:07.780 --> 01:24:13.580]  Procedural due process has been watered down so much that if they give you a hearing, it
[01:24:13.580 --> 01:24:15.180]  doesn't even have to be a fair hearing.
[01:24:15.180 --> 01:24:18.500]  They give you a hearing, and then you got procedural due process.
[01:24:18.500 --> 01:24:22.780]  And substantive due process, it's...
[01:24:22.780 --> 01:24:29.300]  You know, I agree with you, the laws should not be that way, but we spent a small fortune
[01:24:29.300 --> 01:24:36.220]  to get it through district court, and the judge just didn't agree with us.
[01:24:36.220 --> 01:24:39.660]  That's why we decided it had to be a political decision.
[01:24:39.660 --> 01:24:44.180]  We had to attack it politically, not legally.
[01:24:44.180 --> 01:24:53.020]  But you know, it would be interesting if somebody would file under those arguments in your county.
[01:24:53.020 --> 01:24:55.020]  They have to file a lawsuit.
[01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:56.020]  Yeah.
[01:24:56.020 --> 01:25:01.340]  Well, that's what I'm currently working on, is I'm actually working on a book with legislative
[01:25:01.340 --> 01:25:05.820]  enactments and everything else to put before the legislature to say, here's where you
[01:25:05.820 --> 01:25:12.620]  screwed up the Texas laws and made them completely incompatible with the Texas Constitution.
[01:25:12.620 --> 01:25:14.940]  And here's what we need to do to fix it.
[01:25:14.940 --> 01:25:16.940]  And it's expected that you do so.
[01:25:16.940 --> 01:25:22.220]  Well, I tell you what, if you're going to be in the legislature this year, please go
[01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:25.060]  to my website, pocahontahouston.com.
[01:25:25.060 --> 01:25:28.140]  I guarantee you I'll be there, and that's over.
[01:25:28.140 --> 01:25:33.820]  A vast majority of the House members agree with you, agree with you with the end result
[01:25:33.820 --> 01:25:39.500]  that they hate cameras, and a majority of the senators do, because they need to choose
[01:25:39.500 --> 01:25:43.420]  their majority to pass something, they can't get it passed.
[01:25:43.420 --> 01:25:50.420]  But a majority of the representatives and senators don't like the camera.
[01:25:50.420 --> 01:25:56.220]  So you know, I'd love to stay in contact with you if you're going to be up there.
[01:25:56.220 --> 01:26:01.620]  Well, that's the opportunity we've been offered, is the way it was put to me.
[01:26:01.620 --> 01:26:06.780]  I've been told that if I can get the materials together and get them presented to the Speaker
[01:26:06.780 --> 01:26:12.820]  of the House, that they will schedule something for us to make an appearance for that purpose.
[01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:15.820]  Now, Tal, why are you saying two-thirds?
[01:26:15.820 --> 01:26:18.820]  Well, it's the blocker bill.
[01:26:18.820 --> 01:26:21.820]  The Senate has a blocker bill before they can get something on the floor.
[01:26:21.820 --> 01:26:29.820]  I believe they have two-thirds or something like that to get it on the floor to be voted
[01:26:29.820 --> 01:26:30.820]  on.
[01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:34.820]  Even though it's only required of majority for it to pass.
[01:26:34.820 --> 01:26:35.820]  That's right.
[01:26:35.820 --> 01:26:37.820]  It's their own local rule.
[01:26:37.820 --> 01:26:43.820]  One senator here from Houston, a Republican senator, was trying to get them to back off
[01:26:43.820 --> 01:26:45.820]  of that, and they never would do it.
[01:26:45.820 --> 01:26:48.820]  This is like parliamentary tricks.
[01:26:48.820 --> 01:26:52.820]  Yeah, I think it's, I can't remember exactly what they do, but they call it the blocker
[01:26:52.820 --> 01:26:53.820]  bill.
[01:26:53.820 --> 01:26:55.820]  It's the very first bill that passed the Senate.
[01:26:55.820 --> 01:26:59.820]  That's why you don't ever see a lot of debate in the Senate, because before they bring stuff
[01:26:59.820 --> 01:27:02.820]  up, they have to make all the deals behind doors.
[01:27:02.820 --> 01:27:03.820]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:27:03.820 --> 01:27:05.820]  Oh, yeah, they've got to have the secret deals.
[01:27:05.820 --> 01:27:06.820]  No question about it.
[01:27:06.820 --> 01:27:07.820]  Yeah.
[01:27:07.820 --> 01:27:12.820]  Well, and in the House, you'll see debate, but in the Senate, you won't see much debate
[01:27:12.820 --> 01:27:15.820]  on the floor, because you need the two-thirds, folks.
[01:27:15.820 --> 01:27:17.820]  No, it's all backroom deals.
[01:27:17.820 --> 01:27:20.820]  All right, Matt, do you have any other questions for Paul?
[01:27:20.820 --> 01:27:22.820]  No, not right now.
[01:27:22.820 --> 01:27:23.820]  Okay.
[01:27:23.820 --> 01:27:24.820]  Please stay in touch.
[01:27:24.820 --> 01:27:25.820]  I'd love to hear from you.
[01:27:25.820 --> 01:27:26.820]  Okay.
[01:27:26.820 --> 01:27:27.820]  Thanks, Bob.
[01:27:27.820 --> 01:27:28.820]  All right, yeah.
[01:27:28.820 --> 01:27:29.820]  Thank you, folks.
[01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:36.820]  Anyone who wants to contact the Kubosh brothers, go to NoCamerasHouston.com, because we definitely
[01:27:36.820 --> 01:27:40.820]  need something started up here in Austin against the red light cameras.
[01:27:40.820 --> 01:27:43.820]  We've got to get these things thrown out.
[01:27:43.820 --> 01:27:46.820]  How are people in Austin, how are they feeling about it?
[01:27:46.820 --> 01:27:48.820]  Are they as angry as we are in Houston?
[01:27:48.820 --> 01:27:50.820]  Oh, everybody's angry about it, absolutely.
[01:27:50.820 --> 01:27:54.820]  I mean, it crosses party lines in Houston, Republican and Democrat.
[01:27:54.820 --> 01:27:55.820]  It's a voter revolt.
[01:27:55.820 --> 01:28:03.820]  The thing is, Paul, is that Austin is so full of activists, and there are so many issues
[01:28:03.820 --> 01:28:06.820]  that we're working on, on so many levels.
[01:28:06.820 --> 01:28:11.820]  I mean, like getting the fluoride out of the water and things like that, that I think that,
[01:28:11.820 --> 01:28:18.820]  you know, people just haven't taken up the red light camera issue yet as much as could be.
[01:28:18.820 --> 01:28:21.820]  Well, they haven't written up tickets yet.
[01:28:21.820 --> 01:28:24.820]  Exactly, exactly.
[01:28:24.820 --> 01:28:31.820]  Well, I mean, right now we're trying to stop, I mean, these draconian measures of the Agenda 21,
[01:28:31.820 --> 01:28:35.820]  the U.N. Agenda 21 being implemented through our own electric company.
[01:28:35.820 --> 01:28:38.820]  They want to tax us unbelievably.
[01:28:38.820 --> 01:28:41.820]  I mean, it's going to like double and triple the electric bills.
[01:28:41.820 --> 01:28:47.820]  This is like the litmus test here in Austin before they bring it to the rest of the state,
[01:28:47.820 --> 01:28:55.820]  where they're going to have special kinds of power meters that are going to meter your power consumption,
[01:28:55.820 --> 01:29:01.820]  and it's even going to be attached to your thermostats of your refrigerator and your air conditioning.
[01:29:01.820 --> 01:29:06.820]  And if they decide that you're using too much power, you know, you've got it too cool in your house,
[01:29:06.820 --> 01:29:11.820]  it's going to automatically change the temperature in your refrigerator and your air conditioning
[01:29:11.820 --> 01:29:12.820]  and things like this.
[01:29:12.820 --> 01:29:20.820]  And so people are a little bit, I say so much up in arms over the invasion into your own home
[01:29:20.820 --> 01:29:29.820]  under Agenda 21, under these pretty little fluffy phrases like smart growth and smart grid
[01:29:29.820 --> 01:29:31.820]  and sustainable development.
[01:29:31.820 --> 01:29:38.820]  Folks, anytime you hear the words sustainable or smart, just realize that's all global government,
[01:29:38.820 --> 01:29:45.820]  UN, Agenda 21 crap to take away your private property and control your life.
[01:29:45.820 --> 01:29:52.820]  So folks are fighting on like some higher levels here in Austin because we're serving as a litmus test
[01:29:52.820 --> 01:29:53.820]  for these folks.
[01:29:53.820 --> 01:29:56.820]  So the red light cameras have taken the back burner, but yeah, we've got to take that up.
[01:29:56.820 --> 01:29:59.820]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:59.820 --> 01:30:05.820]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy,
[01:30:05.820 --> 01:30:08.820]  and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
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[01:30:11.820 --> 01:30:12.820]  Brave New Books?
[01:30:12.820 --> 01:30:17.820]  Yes, Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones,
[01:30:17.820 --> 01:30:19.820]  Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin.
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[01:30:31.820 --> 01:30:35.820]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[01:30:35.820 --> 01:30:41.820]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility
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[01:32:14.820 --> 01:32:18.820]  All right, we're not going to let them chip us either with the RFID chip implant,
[01:32:18.820 --> 01:32:21.820]  Mark of the Beast, which is already upon us.
[01:32:21.820 --> 01:32:23.820]  We were discussing that earlier.
[01:32:23.820 --> 01:32:29.820]  All right, we're speaking with Paul Kubasch, heir of NoCamerasHouston.com,
[01:32:29.820 --> 01:32:34.820]  an attorney who's leading the charge against the red light cameras in Houston,
[01:32:34.820 --> 01:32:37.820]  helped my good friend Jim Ash defeat red light cameras
[01:32:37.820 --> 01:32:41.820]  and have them removed out of the city of College Station.
[01:32:41.820 --> 01:32:42.820]  We're very happy about that.
[01:32:42.820 --> 01:32:44.820]  And now we're going to take them down here in Texas.
[01:32:44.820 --> 01:32:47.820]  And yeah, Paul, absolutely, we need a group here in Austin.
[01:32:47.820 --> 01:32:49.820]  But, you know, we've been, here in Austin,
[01:32:49.820 --> 01:32:54.820]  some of the main issues that we've been fighting are like the trans-Texas corridor, okay,
[01:32:54.820 --> 01:32:57.820]  trying to keep the NAFTA highway and the trans-Texas corridor
[01:32:57.820 --> 01:33:01.820]  from coming right up through the center of our town and the center of the state.
[01:33:01.820 --> 01:33:06.820]  And so that's one reason why the red light cameras have taken a little bit of a back burner,
[01:33:06.820 --> 01:33:10.820]  because, you know, we're trying to keep our sovereignty here of the state
[01:33:10.820 --> 01:33:14.820]  and keep all the illegal trade and all the vaccinations,
[01:33:14.820 --> 01:33:19.820]  which are poisoned with cancer viruses and such from coming in up this highway.
[01:33:19.820 --> 01:33:22.820]  So at any rate, we've done a lot of good work there.
[01:33:22.820 --> 01:33:24.820]  We've stopped the toll roads.
[01:33:24.820 --> 01:33:28.820]  One of the most major highways here in Austin, East Ben White,
[01:33:28.820 --> 01:33:33.820]  anybody that travels on Ben White from I-35 towards the airport,
[01:33:33.820 --> 01:33:36.820]  that was going to be a toll road, people,
[01:33:36.820 --> 01:33:41.820]  if it wasn't for the likes of Richard Reeves and Sal Castello and all the others
[01:33:41.820 --> 01:33:47.820]  who put in so much work to stop the toll roads here in Austin.
[01:33:47.820 --> 01:33:51.820]  And, of course, there still are some toll roads, but they're mostly new roads.
[01:33:51.820 --> 01:33:56.820]  But we did do a considerable amount of work to keep them from turning existing roads
[01:33:56.820 --> 01:33:59.820]  that have already been paid for into toll roads.
[01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:03.820]  So, Paul, those are some of the issues that we've been fighting really hard over
[01:34:03.820 --> 01:34:09.820]  concerning, you know, traffic and toll roads and all these kinds of issues here in Austin.
[01:34:09.820 --> 01:34:12.820]  So, but, yeah, it's time to take up the red light cameras, too.
[01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:14.820]  The battle never ends, it seems.
[01:34:14.820 --> 01:34:15.820]  All right.
[01:34:15.820 --> 01:34:18.820]  The battle is to stop overreaching.
[01:34:18.820 --> 01:34:20.820]  That's good work.
[01:34:20.820 --> 01:34:21.820]  Exactly.
[01:34:21.820 --> 01:34:24.820]  Okay, we're going now to Stan in Texas.
[01:34:24.820 --> 01:34:26.820]  All right, Stan, thanks for calling in.
[01:34:26.820 --> 01:34:27.820]  What is your question for Paul?
[01:34:27.820 --> 01:34:28.820]  Hi, Deborah, Eddie.
[01:34:28.820 --> 01:34:29.820]  How are you?
[01:34:29.820 --> 01:34:30.820]  Pretty good.
[01:34:30.820 --> 01:34:31.820]  All right, Stan, how are you doing?
[01:34:31.820 --> 01:34:32.820]  I'm doing great.
[01:34:32.820 --> 01:34:35.820]  Paul, nice to hear you guys talking about this.
[01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:36.820]  There were a couple things.
[01:34:36.820 --> 01:34:41.820]  I heard you guys talking earlier about governmental immunity,
[01:34:41.820 --> 01:34:48.820]  and definitely under the 11th Amendment there's a bar where states,
[01:34:48.820 --> 01:34:53.820]  you can't bring a suit against a state in a federal court,
[01:34:53.820 --> 01:35:00.820]  but you can bring, a citizen can bring a suit against a governmental subdivision,
[01:35:00.820 --> 01:35:08.820]  like a county or a city, or an individual governmental agent who's acting on behalf of those subdivisions.
[01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:14.820]  You can certainly bring the bar for the 11th Amendment bar.
[01:35:14.820 --> 01:35:16.820]  That's the exception.
[01:35:16.820 --> 01:35:24.820]  So there definitely is a possibility of bringing federal suit against the state,
[01:35:24.820 --> 01:35:27.820]  I'm sorry, against the city or the county.
[01:35:27.820 --> 01:35:30.820]  And also, I haven't heard anybody mention it,
[01:35:30.820 --> 01:35:35.820]  but earlier on you guys were talking about how the college station rolls
[01:35:35.820 --> 01:35:42.820]  where they were basically spiffing the contractor for every ticket they wrote.
[01:35:42.820 --> 01:35:50.820]  I've actually been helping Matt a little bit with his case against the city or with the city.
[01:35:50.820 --> 01:35:58.820]  And if you look at the statute, it says also they have to have an engineering study that is submitted
[01:35:58.820 --> 01:36:07.820]  to have proof that has information about why they need to have a traffic camera at that particular light.
[01:36:07.820 --> 01:36:09.820]  Like I said, I didn't hear anybody mention it.
[01:36:09.820 --> 01:36:11.820]  Maybe it's been taken out of the law or whatever.
[01:36:11.820 --> 01:36:14.820]  But from what I saw when I started looking into it,
[01:36:14.820 --> 01:36:18.820]  there were like two or three different criteria that had to meet.
[01:36:18.820 --> 01:36:26.820]  They had to have a sign within like 100 or 300 feet announcing that there was a red light camera in action.
[01:36:26.820 --> 01:36:29.820]  And there was also something about an engineering study.
[01:36:29.820 --> 01:36:35.820]  So to me, if we were to try to defeat this en masse as a group,
[01:36:35.820 --> 01:36:38.820]  we would just get a bunch of people to go out and start running these lights
[01:36:38.820 --> 01:36:42.820]  and keep going and asking saying where's the engineering study, where's the sign.
[01:36:42.820 --> 01:36:47.820]  Now I know Matt said that he went back to the intersection where he had gotten the ticket
[01:36:47.820 --> 01:36:50.820]  and that there was now a sign.
[01:36:50.820 --> 01:36:59.820]  But, you know, it seems to me that if the city just wants to blatantly disregard the law,
[01:36:59.820 --> 01:37:01.820]  then they need to be held accountable.
[01:37:01.820 --> 01:37:05.820]  Just like if I walked around with a 12-gig loaded with DuctLock buckshot
[01:37:05.820 --> 01:37:10.820]  and said I'm just going to shoot every one of these traffic cameras that I see,
[01:37:10.820 --> 01:37:13.820]  they would be on me with a SWAT team within about 10 minutes.
[01:37:13.820 --> 01:37:14.820]  Why?
[01:37:14.820 --> 01:37:15.820]  Because I'm violating the law.
[01:37:15.820 --> 01:37:22.820]  And I'm sure I would get some sort of contractual thing from the contractor who said,
[01:37:22.820 --> 01:37:24.820]  you're now responsible for destroying our property.
[01:37:24.820 --> 01:37:29.820]  So I mean the door can definitely swing both ways.
[01:37:29.820 --> 01:37:34.820]  And I know Paul has definitely, you know, been in the trenches and seen that it might swing both ways,
[01:37:34.820 --> 01:37:39.820]  but there's a bunch of people that like to stick their foot on it and not let it swing that way.
[01:37:39.820 --> 01:37:45.820]  But I don't know, Paul, did you see anything in the statutes about the engineering studies
[01:37:45.820 --> 01:37:48.820]  that were supposed to be submitted?
[01:37:48.820 --> 01:37:50.820]  Yeah, I did.
[01:37:50.820 --> 01:37:54.820]  But, you know, when we were looking at finding the cameras,
[01:37:54.820 --> 01:37:57.820]  you have the engineering studies that are supposed to be submitted.
[01:37:57.820 --> 01:38:01.820]  So you meet a bunch of tickets, but you don't solve the problem.
[01:38:01.820 --> 01:38:06.820]  That's why we ignored that, because we felt like we had to go for the juggler.
[01:38:06.820 --> 01:38:10.820]  And that's what we're tempted to do.
[01:38:10.820 --> 01:38:15.820]  So we ignored some of the more obvious things because they could fix it.
[01:38:15.820 --> 01:38:17.820]  You know, they don't have an engineering study.
[01:38:17.820 --> 01:38:22.820]  The City of Houston doesn't have a committee to review whether cameras are supposed to go up.
[01:38:22.820 --> 01:38:24.820]  They don't do a lot of things like that.
[01:38:24.820 --> 01:38:28.820]  And if we were to fall, we would spend a lot of time and effort,
[01:38:28.820 --> 01:38:32.820]  and yeah, we would have beat the tickets, but the end result is we still have cameras.
[01:38:32.820 --> 01:38:34.820]  So that's why we bypassed those.
[01:38:34.820 --> 01:38:39.820]  Well, wouldn't that be, and Eddie might be a more appropriate person for this question,
[01:38:39.820 --> 01:38:44.820]  wouldn't there be sort of a mandate in the sense that if you can show, say,
[01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:48.820]  to the attorney general that you have a municipality who's knowingly
[01:38:48.820 --> 01:38:55.820]  and intentionally violating a state law by enacting these, by putting up these cameras,
[01:38:55.820 --> 01:39:00.820]  or a city actually would be, who's putting up these cameras,
[01:39:00.820 --> 01:39:07.820]  and they're just not paying attention to the rules, they're sniffing the contractor,
[01:39:07.820 --> 01:39:14.820]  or they're submitting engineering studies, wouldn't that be grounds,
[01:39:14.820 --> 01:39:19.820]  wouldn't somebody have grounds to go to the A.A.G. and say, why aren't you prosecuting this?
[01:39:19.820 --> 01:39:22.820]  I mean, here's the statute, here's what they're doing.
[01:39:22.820 --> 01:39:23.820]  They're not doing this.
[01:39:23.820 --> 01:39:27.820]  We need, I want, to ever respond.
[01:39:27.820 --> 01:39:32.820]  Yeah, you should be able to do that, Stan, I completely agree,
[01:39:32.820 --> 01:39:36.820]  but you're also operating under the presumption that these cities and the judges
[01:39:36.820 --> 01:39:41.820]  and the prosecutors in these cities would actually be willing to obey the law in the first place,
[01:39:41.820 --> 01:39:42.820]  and they aren't.
[01:39:42.820 --> 01:39:47.820]  They won't even obey the law and the procedure they're supposed to follow for a standard traffic ticket.
[01:39:47.820 --> 01:39:53.820]  They're certainly not going to do it in whatever would be part of their biggest revenue generation.
[01:39:53.820 --> 01:39:54.820]  They're not doing it now.
[01:39:54.820 --> 01:39:56.820]  I wouldn't expect them to do it later.
[01:39:56.820 --> 01:39:58.820]  That's exactly right.
[01:39:58.820 --> 01:39:59.820]  I'm sorry?
[01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:00.820]  That's exactly right.
[01:40:00.820 --> 01:40:02.820]  You're just dead on.
[01:40:02.820 --> 01:40:09.820]  Basically, unless you actually get people in government that are willing to do what the law says they must,
[01:40:09.820 --> 01:40:10.820]  it's a moot point.
[01:40:10.820 --> 01:40:15.820]  Short of tar feathers, a rope, and a tree, we're not going to change it any other way
[01:40:15.820 --> 01:40:18.820]  if these people aren't willing to do it.
[01:40:18.820 --> 01:40:20.820]  That's the whole problem.
[01:40:20.820 --> 01:40:26.820]  They believe they've now made themselves completely immune from the will of the people
[01:40:26.820 --> 01:40:33.820]  and have turned it into the will of the legislature, and that's not what we're supposed to be about.
[01:40:33.820 --> 01:40:41.820]  Now, Paul, what is your take on what Stan was saying earlier about suing municipalities?
[01:40:41.820 --> 01:40:45.820]  Here's what happens when you sue a municipality.
[01:40:45.820 --> 01:40:51.820]  First thing you can do when you sue a municipality is they'll file what's called a plea to the jurisdiction,
[01:40:51.820 --> 01:41:00.820]  and that means they'll suit it up to the appellate courts to litigate whether or not sovereign immunity applies,
[01:41:00.820 --> 01:41:05.820]  and then after you go to the Court of Appeals and after you go to the Texas Supreme Court,
[01:41:05.820 --> 01:41:09.820]  then you're sent back down to the traffic court.
[01:41:09.820 --> 01:41:15.820]  I'm not talking about the traffic court, but the district court, probably about three and a half years later.
[01:41:15.820 --> 01:41:18.820]  There's a problem.
[01:41:18.820 --> 01:41:20.820]  They stall it.
[01:41:20.820 --> 01:41:24.820]  You have to be able to get it out.
[01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:30.820]  And sometimes, you know, we always felt like whenever you're suing a municipality through that mechanism,
[01:41:30.820 --> 01:41:34.820]  then, you know, it becomes a form of political issue.
[01:41:34.820 --> 01:41:36.820]  You know, people aren't said anymore.
[01:41:36.820 --> 01:41:37.820]  You still have the people with you.
[01:41:37.820 --> 01:41:39.820]  It's just a problem.
[01:41:39.820 --> 01:41:45.820]  Well, Paul, what if you sued as a counter-complaint in the traffic ticket case?
[01:41:45.820 --> 01:41:46.820]  Say that again?
[01:41:46.820 --> 01:41:52.820]  What if your lawsuit was a counter-complaint because they have a case against you,
[01:41:52.820 --> 01:41:54.820]  so you file a counter-complaint?
[01:41:54.820 --> 01:41:57.820]  Then they can't argue that jurisdiction issue.
[01:41:57.820 --> 01:42:02.820]  You mean, but if you file a counter-complaint, where would you file it?
[01:42:02.820 --> 01:42:11.820]  You know, that's the whole thing, if, you know, you can't file it in the administrative hearing.
[01:42:11.820 --> 01:42:12.820]  So where do you file it?
[01:42:12.820 --> 01:42:16.820]  You have to file it in the district court.
[01:42:16.820 --> 01:42:19.820]  Why wouldn't you file it in the municipal court?
[01:42:19.820 --> 01:42:25.820]  Because the municipal court won't have jurisdiction because that's a traffic court.
[01:42:25.820 --> 01:42:28.820]  That's a criminal court.
[01:42:28.820 --> 01:42:31.820]  You're making a counter-criminal complaint.
[01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:33.820]  No, you can't make a counter-criminal complaint.
[01:42:33.820 --> 01:42:34.820]  Under what procedure?
[01:42:34.820 --> 01:42:36.820]  How would you do that?
[01:42:36.820 --> 01:42:40.820]  Well, now, I actually was talking about a civil counter-complaint.
[01:42:40.820 --> 01:42:43.820]  Yeah, you'd have to file that in the district court.
[01:42:43.820 --> 01:42:45.820]  Or what about county court?
[01:42:45.820 --> 01:42:48.820]  Or you could file it in county court.
[01:42:48.820 --> 01:42:51.820]  I would assume you could file it in county court.
[01:42:51.820 --> 01:42:52.820]  I'm not real sure.
[01:42:52.820 --> 01:42:56.820]  I don't see the – I think you'd have to go in district court.
[01:42:56.820 --> 01:43:00.820]  I think that's where the jurisdiction would be, but I'm not sure.
[01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:06.820]  We're always filing district court, but I guess you could file in county court.
[01:43:06.820 --> 01:43:08.820]  Okay.
[01:43:08.820 --> 01:43:09.820]  All right, folks.
[01:43:09.820 --> 01:43:11.820]  We've got one more segment here.
[01:43:11.820 --> 01:43:13.820]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:13.820 --> 01:43:18.820]  Folks, if you want to call in, 512-646-1984.
[01:43:18.820 --> 01:43:20.820]  We're taking your calls.
[01:43:20.820 --> 01:43:24.820]  We've got one more segment with Paul Kubasz talking about the red light camera issue.
[01:43:24.820 --> 01:43:28.820]  When we come back, we're going to go to Gary in Georgia.
[01:43:28.820 --> 01:43:30.820]  And then we have open phone lines.
[01:43:30.820 --> 01:43:37.820]  So, folks, if you'd like to call in, one more segment to talk to Paul Kubasz or Eddie or myself.
[01:43:37.820 --> 01:43:38.820]  We'll be right back.
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[01:45:17.820 --> 01:45:19.820]  We've got Gary from Georgia on the line.
[01:45:19.820 --> 01:45:22.820]  Gary, before we go to you, Paul had some comments.
[01:45:22.820 --> 01:45:24.820]  Go ahead, Paul.
[01:45:24.820 --> 01:45:31.820]  You know, guys, probably I think the most effective thing you can do is that every time you get a red light camera ticket,
[01:45:31.820 --> 01:45:35.820]  you call your city councilman and you tell them you're not going to vote for them.
[01:45:35.820 --> 01:45:39.820]  And you call each single city councilman and you tell them that.
[01:45:39.820 --> 01:45:45.820]  When we've had issues in the municipal court where they've set up bad procedures, bad problems,
[01:45:45.820 --> 01:45:49.820]  we actually got them to change it because every time somebody calls,
[01:45:49.820 --> 01:45:52.820]  they can sit and tell them that they're not going to vote for them.
[01:45:52.820 --> 01:45:58.820]  They can sit at that, akin to 100 people calling because one person is mad at us.
[01:45:58.820 --> 01:45:59.820]  You've got to speak up.
[01:45:59.820 --> 01:46:01.820]  You've got to be politically active.
[01:46:01.820 --> 01:46:08.820]  If you can call and talk show and fuss, which is a good first step because the community is great,
[01:46:08.820 --> 01:46:09.820]  call your councilman.
[01:46:09.820 --> 01:46:12.820]  Let them know you're not going to vote for them because you don't like what they're doing.
[01:46:12.820 --> 01:46:15.820]  And eventually they'll start listening if enough people call.
[01:46:15.820 --> 01:46:19.820]  Yeah, and maybe calling your state representatives, too.
[01:46:19.820 --> 01:46:20.820]  Absolutely.
[01:46:20.820 --> 01:46:25.820]  Call every politician you voted for and tell them that you're not going to vote for them
[01:46:25.820 --> 01:46:28.820]  and you're going to tell 10 other people not to vote for them.
[01:46:28.820 --> 01:46:32.820]  And you know what I found is very effective with this sort of activism, Paul, is sending faxes
[01:46:32.820 --> 01:46:39.820]  because when you call, what happens is you end up talking to an aide or you end up talking to a voicemail or something.
[01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:40.820]  You'll never talk to the rep.
[01:46:40.820 --> 01:46:42.820]  You'll never talk to the city council member.
[01:46:42.820 --> 01:46:45.820]  And then the lackey on the phone either will or won't take the message.
[01:46:45.820 --> 01:46:47.820]  And it just ends up being like a sticky note somewhere.
[01:46:47.820 --> 01:46:50.820]  And if you send an email, it may get thrown in the junk box.
[01:46:50.820 --> 01:46:53.820]  But if you send a fax, it's a piece of paper coming in.
[01:46:53.820 --> 01:46:58.820]  Generally these people use old school technology of paper fax machines.
[01:46:58.820 --> 01:47:02.820]  I mean, I know there's email faxes now where you send a fax and it ends up being an email.
[01:47:02.820 --> 01:47:06.820]  But you send faxes and then their office gets flooded with paper.
[01:47:06.820 --> 01:47:09.820]  And now they're having to pay for the ink and the paper and everything going through the fax machine.
[01:47:09.820 --> 01:47:14.820]  And so now they've got like physical objects that are like stacking up around their office over this thing.
[01:47:14.820 --> 01:47:18.820]  And so even if they're not reading at all, it's like what are all these pieces of paper around here?
[01:47:18.820 --> 01:47:20.820]  Oh, well, it's people mad about the red light cameras.
[01:47:20.820 --> 01:47:22.820]  So I think faxes are very effective.
[01:47:22.820 --> 01:47:23.820]  Absolutely.
[01:47:23.820 --> 01:47:24.820]  I agree completely.
[01:47:24.820 --> 01:47:25.820]  Okay.
[01:47:25.820 --> 01:47:26.820]  We've got callers on the line.
[01:47:26.820 --> 01:47:27.820]  We've got Gary and Chase.
[01:47:27.820 --> 01:47:29.820]  We're going to go to Gary first.
[01:47:29.820 --> 01:47:31.820]  Gary, what's your question for Paul?
[01:47:31.820 --> 01:47:40.820]  Well, it's more of a comment, Debra, than a question. First of all, we're speaking about an inanimate object.
[01:47:40.820 --> 01:47:47.820]  It says that I committed a criminal and I'm predicated on a picture.
[01:47:47.820 --> 01:47:49.820]  And I can't take a picture.
[01:47:49.820 --> 01:47:55.820]  I can't take anything they present and ask it under my sixth amendment right,
[01:47:55.820 --> 01:48:02.820]  as well as State of Texas to testify that I did this, did that.
[01:48:02.820 --> 01:48:09.820]  So therefore, it can be struck down as even unconstitutional because of the Confrontation Clause.
[01:48:09.820 --> 01:48:13.820]  Paul, isn't that how you and Mike won the case back in 2006?
[01:48:13.820 --> 01:48:16.820]  Well, not quite like that.
[01:48:16.820 --> 01:48:24.820]  This Confrontation Clause only applies to criminal cases and the sixth amendment right to cross-stabbing your accuser.
[01:48:24.820 --> 01:48:28.820]  And this is a civil.
[01:48:28.820 --> 01:48:34.820]  One of the reasons we won is because they didn't properly authenticate their evidence.
[01:48:34.820 --> 01:48:37.820]  So they fixed it.
[01:48:37.820 --> 01:48:44.820]  And that goes back to why we don't find that they can fix because we're going for the jugular.
[01:48:44.820 --> 01:48:48.820]  We're not trying to cut off a digit that will go back.
[01:48:48.820 --> 01:48:49.820]  Now, Paul, I have a question for you.
[01:48:49.820 --> 01:48:55.820]  I thought the transportation code falls under the criminal side of statute in Texas.
[01:48:55.820 --> 01:49:00.820]  So what's up with the red light cameras being on the civil side?
[01:49:00.820 --> 01:49:07.820]  Well, I believe it says in there that it's civil.
[01:49:07.820 --> 01:49:09.820]  It's not a criminal violation.
[01:49:09.820 --> 01:49:10.820]  That's true.
[01:49:10.820 --> 01:49:11.820]  It does say that.
[01:49:11.820 --> 01:49:14.820]  And so they don't have to give you a trial.
[01:49:14.820 --> 01:49:17.820]  They do it all administratively and just take your money.
[01:49:17.820 --> 01:49:21.820]  That alone makes it unconstitutional.
[01:49:21.820 --> 01:49:30.820]  Well, if they pass it and say it, if they pass it and say it, when the legislature passed the law to take half the money,
[01:49:30.820 --> 01:49:36.820]  all those arguments, I think all those arguments are going out the window.
[01:49:36.820 --> 01:49:38.820]  Well, it would have to be challenged in court.
[01:49:38.820 --> 01:49:43.820]  I mean, that's the role of the judicial branch is to interpret the law of the legislature
[01:49:43.820 --> 01:49:46.820]  and decide whether the law is constitutional or not.
[01:49:46.820 --> 01:49:49.820]  And you see, the judge we had was quite clever.
[01:49:49.820 --> 01:49:54.820]  She threw out our ticket, and when she threw out our ticket, we won.
[01:49:54.820 --> 01:49:59.820]  But then we couldn't appeal because we won our issue.
[01:49:59.820 --> 01:50:01.820]  If we won, then an appeal would be moved.
[01:50:01.820 --> 01:50:03.820]  We would have had to start all over.
[01:50:03.820 --> 01:50:07.820]  Right, right.
[01:50:07.820 --> 01:50:11.820]  She was clever.
[01:50:11.820 --> 01:50:22.820]  But again, the Confrontation Clause applies to civil or criminal because it's the act of the legislature.
[01:50:22.820 --> 01:50:29.820]  The unintentional, the unambiguous intent of the legislature when they pass the public law says,
[01:50:29.820 --> 01:50:32.820]  sir, you have a right of confrontation.
[01:50:32.820 --> 01:50:34.820]  You have a right of cross-examination.
[01:50:34.820 --> 01:50:39.820]  That means civil or criminal because not only that, it's constitutional.
[01:50:39.820 --> 01:50:50.820]  And then, again, I agree totally with Eddie in that no man, a walking human being in our society
[01:50:50.820 --> 01:50:54.820]  can make law contrary to a right.
[01:50:54.820 --> 01:51:00.820]  So Eddie's proposition, he knows I'm totally in accordance with it.
[01:51:00.820 --> 01:51:03.820]  We've got rights versus privileges.
[01:51:03.820 --> 01:51:10.820]  There's no act of the legislature can tell a man that he has a privilege to breathe on Monday
[01:51:10.820 --> 01:51:13.820]  and women on Tuesday and blah, blah, blah.
[01:51:13.820 --> 01:51:15.820]  It will never happen.
[01:51:15.820 --> 01:51:16.820]  Now, here's the issue.
[01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:23.820]  As a matter of law, sir, either we're going to have a constitution which the legislature,
[01:51:23.820 --> 01:51:29.820]  all three branches of government, are bound by the change of that constitution.
[01:51:29.820 --> 01:51:35.820]  And just a call due process, due process is a broad word, really means just fairness
[01:51:35.820 --> 01:51:38.820]  or even those who have to be heard.
[01:51:38.820 --> 01:51:47.820]  But all of these things where you get a municipality that the state operates by,
[01:51:47.820 --> 01:51:56.820]  the consent of even the state legislature to pass an ordinance, that's what it is.
[01:51:56.820 --> 01:52:02.820]  If it's a county law, then it's an ordinance and therefore it's a regulation who can regulate
[01:52:02.820 --> 01:52:05.820]  and we get right back the right to travel.
[01:52:05.820 --> 01:52:15.820]  So those issues right there, sir, it really gets to a constitutional issue and it's civil or criminal.
[01:52:15.820 --> 01:52:23.820]  You have a right of confrontation and it is written in stone even by an act of the legislature.
[01:52:23.820 --> 01:52:25.820]  All right, absolutely.
[01:52:25.820 --> 01:52:28.820]  Okay, Gary, listen, we've got two more calls on the line.
[01:52:28.820 --> 01:52:30.820]  I want to take these other calls before the end of the show.
[01:52:30.820 --> 01:52:31.820]  Okay, ma'am.
[01:52:31.820 --> 01:52:32.820]  Thank you very much.
[01:52:32.820 --> 01:52:34.820]  Okay, thanks, Gary.
[01:52:34.820 --> 01:52:37.820]  Okay, we're going now to Chase in Texas.
[01:52:37.820 --> 01:52:39.820]  Chase, what is your question for Paul?
[01:52:39.820 --> 01:52:40.820]  Hey, thank you.
[01:52:40.820 --> 01:52:45.820]  Well, I've always thought that it's extremely unfair, the red light cameras,
[01:52:45.820 --> 01:52:50.820]  and I've always wondered if they can continue to use them for red lights,
[01:52:50.820 --> 01:52:58.820]  if they can use them to try to avoid the due process by photographing you doing something else
[01:52:58.820 --> 01:53:00.820]  and just send you a bill for it.
[01:53:00.820 --> 01:53:03.820]  That's exactly what they're trying to do with these.
[01:53:03.820 --> 01:53:08.820]  They're setting the stage with these types of tickets to see how long the public will put up with it,
[01:53:08.820 --> 01:53:14.820]  and the more acceptance that they ingrain, the more you're going to see offenses handled in this manner.
[01:53:14.820 --> 01:53:16.820]  Yeah, notice there's cameras all over downtown Austin.
[01:53:16.820 --> 01:53:18.820]  Paul, what are your comments?
[01:53:18.820 --> 01:53:23.820]  Well, they're not supposed to use the camera for anything other than the intended purpose.
[01:53:23.820 --> 01:53:28.820]  If they do, I think it's a Class A or a Class B misdemeanor.
[01:53:28.820 --> 01:53:35.820]  We also got speed cameras banned in Texas by legislation whenever the red light cameras went through.
[01:53:35.820 --> 01:53:37.820]  However, I agree with you.
[01:53:37.820 --> 01:53:43.820]  The way the cameras are supposed to work, they're supposed to work like they work in California
[01:53:43.820 --> 01:53:49.820]  where the fine is $375, it's a moving violation, and your insurance goes up.
[01:53:49.820 --> 01:53:54.820]  That's why all of these insurance institutes for highway safety and all of that,
[01:53:54.820 --> 01:53:59.820]  that's why they all back the cameras, because in other states, the criminal violations,
[01:53:59.820 --> 01:54:05.820]  and you don't have a right to a jury trial, and you don't have your protections that you have in Texas,
[01:54:05.820 --> 01:54:08.820]  and the whole scheme there is to raise rates on these things.
[01:54:08.820 --> 01:54:11.820]  Well, think about if they did it with jaywalking as well.
[01:54:11.820 --> 01:54:13.820]  I mean, that would be absolutely ridiculous,
[01:54:13.820 --> 01:54:18.820]  because they'd be sending out hundreds of tickets a day just on that.
[01:54:18.820 --> 01:54:19.820]  I agree with you.
[01:54:19.820 --> 01:54:21.820]  Well, certainly it would.
[01:54:21.820 --> 01:54:26.820]  I mean, that's a violation of your right to confront your accuser in court, for one thing,
[01:54:26.820 --> 01:54:32.820]  and the whole red light camera thing is just ridiculous on its face because it turns it into a crime by ownership,
[01:54:32.820 --> 01:54:36.820]  because it goes to the registration of whoever registered the car.
[01:54:36.820 --> 01:54:44.820]  That doesn't necessarily mean it's a person that was traveling in the car or driving the car, whichever the case may be.
[01:54:44.820 --> 01:54:46.820]  And consider this for a moment.
[01:54:46.820 --> 01:54:53.820]  Instead of making the punishment tougher, instead of it being a criminal fine that goes on your record,
[01:54:53.820 --> 01:54:56.820]  affects your insurance, you pay a $1 to $200 fine.
[01:54:56.820 --> 01:55:00.820]  They move it into a parking ticket, and they don't put it on your record.
[01:55:00.820 --> 01:55:05.820]  So they have made the punishment less, not more.
[01:55:05.820 --> 01:55:08.820]  It's in a parking ticket category, these red light cameras?
[01:55:08.820 --> 01:55:12.820]  A red light camera is exactly like a parking ticket.
[01:55:12.820 --> 01:55:13.820]  It's crazy.
[01:55:13.820 --> 01:55:19.820]  Well, I've always thought this to be a serious injustice by any governmental area that is implementing it,
[01:55:19.820 --> 01:55:21.820]  and I haven't heard of anybody fighting it now.
[01:55:21.820 --> 01:55:25.820]  When I heard it on the radio, I was delighted to hear what you guys were up to.
[01:55:25.820 --> 01:55:28.820]  And they've already won a case in 06?
[01:55:28.820 --> 01:55:29.820]  Fantastic.
[01:55:29.820 --> 01:55:34.820]  We'll get rid of them before too long if we just keep this up and keep exposing even what the government is doing,
[01:55:34.820 --> 01:55:36.820]  which is illegal, trying to make it legal.
[01:55:36.820 --> 01:55:37.820]  Absolutely.
[01:55:37.820 --> 01:55:42.820]  And Jim and the Kubosh has got the red light cameras done away with in college stations,
[01:55:42.820 --> 01:55:44.820]  so that means we can do it here.
[01:55:44.820 --> 01:55:45.820]  Absolutely.
[01:55:45.820 --> 01:55:48.820]  If they voted them out in college stations, they'll vote them out anywhere.
[01:55:48.820 --> 01:55:49.820]  Yeah.
[01:55:49.820 --> 01:55:50.820]  It's time to go to the...
[01:55:50.820 --> 01:55:54.820]  That's something that the liberal side of society is absolutely opposed to,
[01:55:54.820 --> 01:55:56.820]  which is anything that the government's doing that's illegal.
[01:55:56.820 --> 01:56:00.820]  So Austin is actually not a bad place to get rid of it first.
[01:56:00.820 --> 01:56:01.820]  All right.
[01:56:01.820 --> 01:56:02.820]  All right.
[01:56:02.820 --> 01:56:03.820]  Thanks, Chase.
[01:56:03.820 --> 01:56:04.820]  Thanks a lot.
[01:56:04.820 --> 01:56:09.820]  I think we should start getting rid of a few of these guys that are enacting these things first.
[01:56:09.820 --> 01:56:10.820]  Right.
[01:56:10.820 --> 01:56:11.820]  Exactly.
[01:56:11.820 --> 01:56:12.820]  Speaking of enacting.
[01:56:12.820 --> 01:56:13.820]  Okay.
[01:56:13.820 --> 01:56:14.820]  We are going now to Frank in New York.
[01:56:14.820 --> 01:56:17.820]  Frank, what is your question for Paul?
[01:56:17.820 --> 01:56:18.820]  Hi.
[01:56:18.820 --> 01:56:28.820]  I'm having problems with PayPal trying to get the course, the seminar, and I need an alternate way to pay.
[01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:29.820]  Okay.
[01:56:29.820 --> 01:56:34.820]  So talk about this offline.
[01:56:34.820 --> 01:56:37.820]  Send me an email because we only have two more minutes left.
[01:56:37.820 --> 01:56:41.820]  Do you have questions about the red light cameras or traffic issues?
[01:56:41.820 --> 01:56:42.820]  No.
[01:56:42.820 --> 01:56:45.820]  We don't have red light cameras up here because we just break them if they put them up here.
[01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:46.820]  Okay.
[01:56:46.820 --> 01:56:48.820]  We shoot them out with a BB gun or something.
[01:56:48.820 --> 01:56:51.820]  Okay.
[01:56:51.820 --> 01:56:53.820]  Works for me.
[01:56:53.820 --> 01:56:54.820]  All right.
[01:56:54.820 --> 01:56:55.820]  Okay.
[01:56:54.820 --> 01:56:56.820]  Send me an email, Frank.
[01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820]  Okay.
[01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820]  Thanks.
[01:56:56.820 --> 01:56:57.820]  Okay.
[01:56:57.820 --> 01:56:58.820]  All right.
[01:56:58.820 --> 01:57:03.820]  It's on the home page, and last I heard, everything was fine.
[01:57:03.820 --> 01:57:05.820]  Somebody just bought a seminar a few days ago.
[01:57:05.820 --> 01:57:09.820]  So, Frank, maybe you're just not seeing the right button or something.
[01:57:09.820 --> 01:57:11.820]  So we have about a minute and a half left.
[01:57:11.820 --> 01:57:14.820]  Paul, do you have any closing comments for us?
[01:57:14.820 --> 01:57:20.820]  I would just encourage people to keep the fight because, you know, sometimes we feel like we're alone,
[01:57:20.820 --> 01:57:23.820]  but this makes me realize there's a lot of people with us.
[01:57:23.820 --> 01:57:28.820]  So please join us on Facebook at Citizens Against Red Light Cameras
[01:57:28.820 --> 01:57:32.820]  and visit our Web site, NoCamerasHouston.com,
[01:57:32.820 --> 01:57:34.820]  because I tell you, every time you join us on Facebook,
[01:57:34.820 --> 01:57:40.820]  it makes the traffic camera people upset, makes them nervous.
[01:57:40.820 --> 01:57:42.820]  Yeah, I'll bet it does.
[01:57:42.820 --> 01:57:44.820]  Because we have 2,000 members.
[01:57:44.820 --> 01:57:49.820]  They have 500.
[01:57:49.820 --> 01:57:51.820]  They have 2,000 members?
[01:57:51.820 --> 01:57:54.820]  Y'all have 2,000 members, and they have 500.
[01:57:54.820 --> 01:57:55.820]  That's correct.
[01:57:55.820 --> 01:57:57.820]  Yeah, yeah, I'll bet they do.
[01:57:57.820 --> 01:58:03.820]  All right, folks, go to NoCamerasHouston.com,
[01:58:03.820 --> 01:58:05.820]  where you can get more information,
[01:58:05.820 --> 01:58:10.820]  and you can contact the Kuboshes, Paul and Mike Kubosh,
[01:58:10.820 --> 01:58:17.820]  and find out more about how you can do away with the red light cameras in your area,
[01:58:17.820 --> 01:58:19.820]  in your hometown, in your home state.
[01:58:19.820 --> 01:58:23.820]  Paul, thank you so much, and we thank your brother Mike.
[01:58:23.820 --> 01:58:25.820]  Thank you so much for having me.
[01:58:25.820 --> 01:58:26.820]  You have a good evening.
[01:58:26.820 --> 01:58:29.820]  You have a good evening, too, and we thank Jim Ash also.
[01:58:29.820 --> 01:58:30.820]  This is The Rule of Law.
[01:58:30.820 --> 01:58:32.820]  We will be back tomorrow night.
[01:58:32.820 --> 01:58:34.820]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with Eddie Craig.
[01:58:34.820 --> 01:58:36.820]  We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well.
[01:58:36.820 --> 01:58:38.820]  Y'all have a good night.
[01:58:38.820 --> 01:58:50.820]  We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well.
[01:58:50.820 --> 01:59:18.820]  Thank you so much for having me.
[01:59:18.820 --> 01:59:20.820]  We'll be back tomorrow night with Randy Kelton as well.
[01:59:48.820 --> 01:59:57.820]  It's a dream, let's move, you better dream, go, it's a dream, go, go.