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[00:04.380 --> 00:09.220]  Quarters, photographers and TV crews, say BP and Coast Guard officials are restricting
[00:09.220 --> 00:14.420]  and denying members of the media access to oil-covered beaches, staging areas of cleanup
[00:14.420 --> 00:16.880]  efforts and even flyovers.
[00:16.880 --> 00:21.520]  Critics say the ability to document a disaster is key to focusing the nation's attention
[00:21.520 --> 00:24.920]  on it and the resulting cleanup efforts.
[00:24.920 --> 00:29.240]  The House of Representatives voted Thursday to let the Pentagon repeal the ban on gay
[00:29.240 --> 00:35.260]  and bisexual people from serving openly in the military, a major step toward dismantling
[00:35.260 --> 00:38.440]  the law known as Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
[00:38.440 --> 00:43.360]  The provision would allow military commanders to repeal the ban, meaning gay men and lesbians
[00:43.360 --> 00:48.280]  could openly serve in the military for the first time.
[00:48.280 --> 00:53.760]  Military exercises conducted by the Israeli Army set fire to 17,000 acres of the occupied
[00:53.760 --> 00:57.800]  Syrian Golan Heights, destroying plant life in the region.
[00:57.800 --> 01:04.880]  Israel seized the Golan Heights from Syria in 1967 and annexed it in 1981 in a move not
[01:04.880 --> 01:08.240]  recognized by the international community.
[01:08.240 --> 01:13.240]  In Iraq, the spread of illegal squatter settlements has aid groups fearful of a looming social
[01:13.240 --> 01:14.240]  crisis.
[01:14.240 --> 01:19.680]  Recent reports from two international agencies found that of Iraq's 1.5 million internally
[01:19.680 --> 01:26.120]  displaced people, at least 500,000 have been forced to live in squalid camps without access
[01:26.120 --> 01:28.640]  to health care or public services.
[01:28.640 --> 01:35.080]  The UN High Commission for Refugees, the UNHCR, has recorded a sharp increase in squatters
[01:35.080 --> 01:41.400]  since 2009 and activists are demanding the US and UN tackle the problem before it gets
[01:41.400 --> 01:42.840]  out of control.
[01:42.840 --> 01:48.400]  Daniel Ander, UNHCR's Iraq representative said, quote, we have also found that many
[01:48.400 --> 01:53.120]  refugees who returned recently from other countries have ended up in camps.
[01:53.120 --> 01:58.400]  Ander says, quote, the squatter camps are the biggest humanitarian problem facing Iraq.
[01:58.400 --> 02:06.120]  Britain's $6.5 billion national identity card scheme is to be scrapped within 100 days.
[02:06.120 --> 02:11.040]  Abolishing ID cards will be the first piece of legislation introduced by the new government.
[02:11.040 --> 02:15.400]  The publication of the identity documents bill Friday marks the end of an eight-year
[02:15.400 --> 02:21.200]  struggle over compulsory ID cards since they were first floated by the then Home Secretary
[02:21.200 --> 02:24.360]  David Blunkett in the aftermath of 9-11.
[02:24.360 --> 02:28.800]  More than 5 million combined passports and identity cards were due to be issued when
[02:28.800 --> 02:31.040]  the scheme was to have started next year.
[02:31.040 --> 02:35.960]  The difficulty facing officials will be how to disentangle the ID card scheme from the
[02:35.960 --> 02:38.280]  system for issuing passports.
[02:38.280 --> 02:41.600]  The government's decision was welcomed by privacy campaigners.
[02:41.600 --> 02:47.320]  Phil Booth, the national coordinator of the No2ID group, says, quote, that the very first
[02:47.320 --> 02:52.640]  bill to be presented by the coalition government will repeal the Identity Cards Act is a sign
[02:52.640 --> 02:54.240]  that the tide has turned.
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[03:18.000 --> 03:45.800]  OK, we are back, this is the Rule of Law.
[03:45.800 --> 03:50.480]  We're here with Dr. Bill Veath, and we're taking your calls.
[03:50.480 --> 03:54.520]  He's agreed to stay on the line for a little while longer to take your calls.
[03:54.520 --> 03:56.760]  We've got Michael from New York.
[03:56.760 --> 03:58.400]  Michael, thanks for calling in.
[03:58.400 --> 04:00.040]  What is your question for Dr. Veath?
[04:00.040 --> 04:02.920]  Dr. Veath, you're awesome, God bless you.
[04:02.920 --> 04:03.920]  Thank you.
[04:03.920 --> 04:10.480]  The problem is you're so good and people are going to get a response from what you're saying
[04:10.480 --> 04:14.720]  and they're going to believe that all of the psychologists are the same way you are.
[04:14.720 --> 04:20.360]  In my experience with a psychologist is what got me, my kids, taken away.
[04:20.360 --> 04:27.320]  I was forced to go in with the family court and I went in and when I went in, I was led
[04:27.320 --> 04:31.880]  to believe that that was the only way that I would be able to see my children and possibly
[04:31.880 --> 04:33.200]  get custody.
[04:33.200 --> 04:37.960]  Well, what happened when I went in, I signed all the papers under threat, duress and coercion
[04:37.960 --> 04:43.000]  because I wasn't in agreement, but I did take the test evaluation.
[04:43.000 --> 04:49.440]  He came out and when the court convened and he came back, he was on a stand and he says
[04:49.440 --> 04:57.800]  according to the test results in my case that they were not politically correct because
[04:57.800 --> 05:03.320]  he went up one side and down the other on questioning me on my religious beliefs.
[05:03.320 --> 05:12.040]  He went through with the way I raised my children, what my thoughts were and he said to the court
[05:12.040 --> 05:16.920]  that had I lived 50 years prior to when we were in the courtroom, it would have been
[05:16.920 --> 05:22.640]  fine, but because things are so different now and I have changed that the way I think
[05:22.640 --> 05:25.880]  and the way I want to raise my children is not correct.
[05:25.880 --> 05:33.200]  Well, I would love to see the research data that he based those conclusions on.
[05:33.200 --> 05:34.760]  There is no research data on that.
[05:34.760 --> 05:37.040]  What he did was just gave you his opinions on everything.
[05:37.040 --> 05:38.040]  Exactly.
[05:38.040 --> 05:41.040]  It was all subjective.
[05:41.040 --> 05:47.320]  The court used him for the simple reason that they were trying to get back at me for years
[05:47.320 --> 05:52.520]  in the past with my second wife when I did sue the family court because of other altercations
[05:52.520 --> 05:56.480]  that they were guilty of and they were just trying to get back at me because I cost them
[05:56.480 --> 06:01.400]  so much money and I wasn't in agreement with anything that they had done and I was fighting
[06:01.400 --> 06:06.240]  the system and they used that against me that the psychologist did as well.
[06:06.240 --> 06:08.240]  Listen to this.
[06:08.240 --> 06:10.240]  Two questions.
[06:10.240 --> 06:13.240]  Number one, does the psychologist have a note of office?
[06:13.240 --> 06:14.240]  No.
[06:14.240 --> 06:17.240]  Does he have a bond?
[06:17.240 --> 06:18.240]  No.
[06:18.240 --> 06:19.240]  No.
[06:19.240 --> 06:20.240]  Because you know why?
[06:20.240 --> 06:23.600]  Because when we render our results, it's just an opinion.
[06:23.600 --> 06:24.840]  It's just an opinion.
[06:24.840 --> 06:27.320]  It's really no more valid than anybody else's opinion.
[06:27.320 --> 06:30.960]  If the court doesn't want to give, if the jury or judge doesn't want to give any weight
[06:30.960 --> 06:33.240]  to it, they don't have to give any weight at all.
[06:33.240 --> 06:36.240]  They can give a little weight and they can give a lot of weight to our opinions.
[06:36.240 --> 06:37.840]  That's all we give is opinions.
[06:37.840 --> 06:40.840]  It may be based on data, but it's an opinion.
[06:40.840 --> 06:44.760]  If they believe on the opinion and they rule on your opinion and they use it against the
[06:44.760 --> 06:47.840]  person, then it's the judge that's guilty, not the psychologist.
[06:47.840 --> 06:53.480]  Well, you know, yeah, I mean if you have a judge and the judges usually have an agenda,
[06:53.480 --> 06:58.400]  I would rather have a jury trial and hope there's enough smart jurors in there that
[06:58.400 --> 07:00.560]  they wouldn't give any weight to that kind of an opinion.
[07:00.560 --> 07:03.720]  I wouldn't give any weight to that psychologist's opinion.
[07:03.720 --> 07:07.800]  In fact, if he delivered an opinion like that, I not only wouldn't give weight to that opinion,
[07:07.800 --> 07:12.360]  I wouldn't give weight to anything he did based on his having done that.
[07:12.360 --> 07:15.360]  Well, there's no jury in a family court.
[07:15.360 --> 07:19.360]  They don't even let anybody come in and witness what the crimes the court is committing.
[07:19.360 --> 07:20.360]  It's a rigged game then.
[07:20.360 --> 07:22.040]  I mean, I've never been in family court.
[07:22.040 --> 07:23.800]  I guess it's a rigged game then.
[07:23.800 --> 07:24.800]  It's very rigged.
[07:24.800 --> 07:25.800]  It's very rigged.
[07:25.800 --> 07:26.800]  But listen to this.
[07:26.800 --> 07:33.800]  When, before I had that psychological evaluation, the court had ordered me prior to go to the
[07:33.800 --> 07:37.960]  psychologist for an appointment and they made the appointment for me and said that I had
[07:37.960 --> 07:40.040]  to go and they appointed him.
[07:40.040 --> 07:45.680]  Well, in the mail, a week later, I received a court date that was on the same date and
[07:45.680 --> 07:48.080]  the same time as the hearing.
[07:48.080 --> 07:51.000]  So I'm kind of tossing it up in the air figuring what am I going to do?
[07:51.000 --> 07:55.000]  Well, I went to the court instead of going to the psychologist.
[07:55.000 --> 08:00.280]  So the judge said to me, the first question was, he says, well, did you go see the psychologist?
[08:00.280 --> 08:03.080]  Do we have a psychologist report today?
[08:03.080 --> 08:07.800]  And I says, well, I can tell you right now that I passed with flying colors.
[08:07.800 --> 08:10.080]  And the judge looked at me and he says, oh, you did?
[08:10.080 --> 08:12.200]  I don't have a report here in front of me.
[08:12.200 --> 08:16.040]  I says, well, the court had ordered me to go to both of them at the same time and that's
[08:16.040 --> 08:17.520]  an impossibility.
[08:17.520 --> 08:22.640]  So I came to court so I wouldn't be having my kids taken away or to have the court rule
[08:22.640 --> 08:23.840]  against me.
[08:23.840 --> 08:27.000]  So it's obviously, I would have been crazy if I would have went to the psychological
[08:27.000 --> 08:28.000]  evaluation.
[08:28.000 --> 08:30.200]  I'm sure he didn't appreciate that.
[08:30.200 --> 08:31.200]  No, he didn't.
[08:31.200 --> 08:32.200]  Did he even smile?
[08:32.200 --> 08:33.200]  No, he did not.
[08:33.200 --> 08:34.200]  OK, no sense of humor on the judge.
[08:34.200 --> 08:35.200]  We're going to have to reschedule it then.
[08:35.200 --> 08:44.200]  And then they postponed the trial until I was able to go to the stupid thing.
[08:44.200 --> 08:45.200]  Right.
[08:45.200 --> 08:51.160]  Well, you know, those kinds of psychologist opinions, that's what gives psychology and
[08:51.160 --> 08:53.360]  psychiatry a bad name.
[08:53.360 --> 08:59.280]  Because again, if used properly, the professions can help people that want to be helped.
[08:59.280 --> 09:02.680]  Not necessarily everybody that wants to be helped, because a lot of that comes from the
[09:02.680 --> 09:03.680]  person themselves.
[09:03.680 --> 09:10.360]  But when they're used as a forceful mechanism, you know, they're of no use to the person.
[09:10.360 --> 09:14.480]  They're only of use to the system that wants to put people away or keep them put away or
[09:14.480 --> 09:16.480]  to control them.
[09:16.480 --> 09:17.480]  Exactly.
[09:17.480 --> 09:18.480]  Exactly.
[09:18.480 --> 09:20.720]  Well, OK, I've got some other questions for Randy.
[09:20.720 --> 09:25.480]  I'll call in another time so other people can call and talk to you because you're valuable.
[09:25.480 --> 09:26.480]  Thank you, sir.
[09:26.480 --> 09:29.720]  Thank you, and I appreciate all your information.
[09:29.720 --> 09:32.840]  There's no way that we can overturn that, is there?
[09:32.840 --> 09:33.840]  Or be able to...
[09:33.840 --> 09:37.560]  Well, you know, I'm not a lawyer, so I can't answer that.
[09:37.560 --> 09:39.000]  You'd probably have to answer...
[09:39.000 --> 09:46.520]  Well, Bill was saying earlier that these opinions, these, you know, the evaluations, the interpretations
[09:46.520 --> 09:49.920]  of these tests can be challenged.
[09:49.920 --> 09:55.040]  Bill gave an example earlier this evening about the insurance company and the guy that
[09:55.040 --> 10:04.080]  was saying he had brain damage, and Bill and his group re-evaluated or reinterpreted the
[10:04.080 --> 10:06.120]  data to show differently.
[10:06.120 --> 10:12.160]  Debbie, the problem is it's expensive to challenge them because for somebody to hire a forensic
[10:12.160 --> 10:16.680]  psychologist to go review all that secondary data, you know, go review, I mean, give a
[10:16.680 --> 10:22.120]  secondary opinion to review the original data is time-consuming and expensive, and the court
[10:22.120 --> 10:23.120]  knows that.
[10:23.120 --> 10:24.640]  Most people can't afford to challenge it.
[10:24.640 --> 10:28.680]  Because now you've got to start hiring professionals to find out what the other professionals...
[10:28.680 --> 10:30.880]  Well, who paid for the first one?
[10:30.880 --> 10:31.880]  The court did.
[10:31.880 --> 10:35.720]  The court did, but they're not going to pay for him to get a second opinion.
[10:35.720 --> 10:37.200]  The court got the opinion they wanted.
[10:37.200 --> 10:39.920]  They're not going to pay for him to get a contrasting opinion.
[10:39.920 --> 10:45.600]  Well, not only that, but they paid for the original evaluation, and I said, well, I want
[10:45.600 --> 10:48.080]  to have my own psychologist.
[10:48.080 --> 10:49.240]  And then you have to hire your own.
[10:49.240 --> 10:50.840]  They're not going to pay for it.
[10:50.840 --> 10:51.840]  Exactly.
[10:51.840 --> 10:56.480]  And that's why I think they were working together, they're in bed together, and the result was
[10:56.480 --> 11:01.920]  exactly how the judge wanted it, so that they could use it against me in retaliation.
[11:01.920 --> 11:05.600]  That's why they don't let you pick the psychologist they send you to want, because they already
[11:05.600 --> 11:08.640]  know that the guy gives them the results they want.
[11:08.640 --> 11:09.640]  That's why they send you there.
[11:09.640 --> 11:11.720]  And that's why he gets a lot of business from the court.
[11:11.720 --> 11:14.560]  Yeah, but he's the only one the court uses in our area.
[11:14.560 --> 11:15.560]  Right.
[11:15.560 --> 11:20.680]  And, you know, to me, that's totally unethical, immoral on the part of these psychologists
[11:20.680 --> 11:22.760]  and psychiatrists, but they do it.
[11:22.760 --> 11:26.440]  I'm not saying everyone does it, but I'm sure there are some out there that are probably
[11:26.440 --> 11:32.320]  ethical that give a valid opinion or give a valid result, but the court probably won't
[11:32.320 --> 11:35.760]  use them anymore, so they're probably not in the court system very long.
[11:35.760 --> 11:39.840]  Roy, I don't think you're one that the court would want to hire.
[11:39.840 --> 11:42.760]  No, I don't think so.
[11:42.760 --> 11:43.760]  Okay.
[11:43.760 --> 11:46.760]  Well, not more than one time.
[11:46.760 --> 11:51.600]  Yeah, well, I'll let you guys go so other people can call and get their answers.
[11:51.600 --> 11:52.600]  All right.
[11:52.600 --> 11:53.600]  Thanks, Michael.
[11:53.600 --> 11:54.600]  Thank you very much, guys.
[11:54.600 --> 11:55.600]  Good night.
[11:55.600 --> 11:56.600]  Good night.
[11:56.600 --> 12:00.280]  Yeah, and I guess if you're facing some kind of a criminal situation, if you already found
[12:00.280 --> 12:06.800]  yourself having submitted to one of these exams, boy, God help you, somebody better
[12:06.800 --> 12:12.480]  be coming up with some money to challenge the interpretation, and if it has to do with
[12:12.480 --> 12:17.320]  family issues, I guess if you really want the kids, people are going to have to scramble
[12:17.320 --> 12:23.960]  to challenge these interpretations by these rigged psych exams.
[12:23.960 --> 12:24.960]  Right.
[12:24.960 --> 12:29.760]  Now, remember, even in these child custody cases, sometimes one or both parents want
[12:29.760 --> 12:33.000]  to take the exam, and that's fine if they want to take it.
[12:33.000 --> 12:39.440]  One parent knows, I'm stable, I don't have any problem taking the exam, I'd like the
[12:39.440 --> 12:44.000]  court to have that piece of evidence, and I know my spouse is not going to take the
[12:44.000 --> 12:47.480]  exam, and I'd like the court or the jury to know that I'm willing to take it, and
[12:47.480 --> 12:48.480]  they're not.
[12:48.480 --> 12:52.160]  As long as they're voluntarily taking it, there is no problem with it.
[12:52.160 --> 12:55.800]  The problem I have is when they're forced to do something against their will.
[12:55.800 --> 12:56.800]  Right, exactly.
[12:56.800 --> 12:59.400]  Okay, we're going to move on now.
[12:59.400 --> 13:01.560]  We're going to Jim in New York.
[13:01.560 --> 13:03.720]  All right, Jim, thank you for calling in.
[13:03.720 --> 13:05.560]  What is your question for Dr. Vease?
[13:05.560 --> 13:08.600]  Hi, Randy, and Debbie, and Dr. Bill.
[13:08.600 --> 13:10.960]  Okay, this is briefly.
[13:10.960 --> 13:15.840]  My spouse is 55 years old, diagnosed with hypothyroidism.
[13:15.840 --> 13:18.920]  She went to work August 4th, 2008.
[13:18.920 --> 13:24.120]  Her family, like the last caller, they didn't appreciate our religious beliefs, and they
[13:24.120 --> 13:29.280]  needed to break us up, and her brother is actually a diplomat in the State Department.
[13:29.280 --> 13:33.480]  Her other brother is a 911 program manager.
[13:33.480 --> 13:39.040]  We gave them a video, Freedom to Fascism, and they basically labeled us enemy combatant
[13:39.040 --> 13:40.040]  type of a status.
[13:40.040 --> 13:45.640]  They came to her job, told her they wanted to take her to lunch, whisked her off to her
[13:45.640 --> 13:48.560]  other brother's house where the family members were waiting.
[13:48.560 --> 13:54.440]  Shortly after that, I called the police, telling them of a kidnapping.
[13:54.440 --> 13:59.920]  When the police questioned Patricia, she told them she was being kidnapped, and they ignored
[13:59.920 --> 14:00.920]  her.
[14:00.920 --> 14:04.280]  Then when she told the police she was afraid of her brothers, the police told her to shut
[14:04.280 --> 14:05.280]  her mouth.
[14:05.280 --> 14:10.400]  They took her away, threw her up in the psychiatric clinic up at Strong Hospital, immediately
[14:10.400 --> 14:14.760]  started to drug her with Risperdal and Ativan.
[14:14.760 --> 14:19.480]  She was an accounts payable clerk, never had a problem, no history of anything like psychiatric
[14:19.480 --> 14:22.000]  problems or disturbances.
[14:22.000 --> 14:27.280]  Within 24 hours, she was labeled dementia and incompetent, was held at the psychiatric
[14:27.280 --> 14:33.240]  clinic for over four months, was appointed a court appointed guardian.
[14:33.240 --> 14:37.720]  The court appointed guardian then immediately placed her in a nursing facility where they
[14:37.720 --> 14:39.520]  continued drugging her.
[14:39.520 --> 14:42.000]  Presently, she's not allowed visitors.
[14:42.000 --> 14:44.240]  I haven't seen my wife in almost two years.
[14:44.240 --> 14:51.520]  She's not allowed visitors, she can't go outside, mail is confiscated, flowers are thrown away.
[14:51.520 --> 14:55.560]  She's placed in a room with four screaming women, and they're basically keeping her in
[14:55.560 --> 14:59.480]  an environment to make her lose her hope and embrace her hope.
[14:59.480 --> 15:02.680]  Was there ever a trial, a competency trial?
[15:02.680 --> 15:04.760]  Excellent question.
[15:04.760 --> 15:07.400]  There was an ex parte behind closed doors trial.
[15:07.400 --> 15:09.400]  Oh, not a trial.
[15:09.400 --> 15:14.520]  They decided to appoint a guardian, but at the trial, the family all said she could function
[15:14.520 --> 15:15.520]  properly.
[15:15.520 --> 15:20.240]  She just needed financial oversight, and the fiduciary was appointed.
[15:20.240 --> 15:25.040]  When the order of the court came out, the court order went back to the original incompetent.
[15:25.040 --> 15:29.320]  She's not able to do anything on her own, so they totally ignored what was transpired
[15:29.320 --> 15:31.560]  at that hearing.
[15:31.560 --> 15:36.800]  The guardian was originally supposed to put her in a assisted living facility so we could
[15:36.800 --> 15:37.800]  sort this out.
[15:37.800 --> 15:41.760]  I was told go along with everything, because I had strongly opposed that.
[15:41.760 --> 15:46.280]  We've lived together for 10 years, never had an incident, no problems, never had an argument
[15:46.280 --> 15:47.280]  with the family.
[15:47.280 --> 15:54.120]  They just didn't like our religious beliefs, and I think they influenced the court.
[15:54.120 --> 15:58.640]  I think they're basically killing her now because if she does expire, she does have
[15:58.640 --> 16:01.080]  life insurance policies on her life.
[16:01.080 --> 16:07.160]  Also, the court charged her $11,000, $14,000 to do this to her for the court evaluator,
[16:07.160 --> 16:12.040]  the attorneys, and the court appointed attorney for the hospital, Strong Hospital.
[16:12.040 --> 16:18.920]  You've got about a million issues in there from all kinds of force, but that's the problem
[16:18.920 --> 16:22.400]  with once you get that label of incompetence, you've lost your freedom.
[16:22.400 --> 16:23.400]  It's done.
[16:23.400 --> 16:26.120]  And you may or may not ever get it back.
[16:26.120 --> 16:30.680]  That's why it is such an important, absolute important matter and needs to have a full
[16:30.680 --> 16:35.960]  blown trial in open with a jury, because they're going to take away your freedom if you're
[16:35.960 --> 16:36.960]  incompetent.
[16:36.960 --> 16:44.880]  And if they committed her without this trial, well then it's time for some legal action.
[16:44.880 --> 16:48.000]  And forcing drugs on her, even if you're committed, they can't force you to take drugs.
[16:48.000 --> 16:49.000]  That's right.
[16:49.000 --> 16:50.000]  That's right.
[16:50.000 --> 16:51.000]  All right.
[16:51.000 --> 16:52.000]  We're going to break, Jim.
[16:52.000 --> 16:55.000]  We're going to break the line and we will be back on the other side.
[16:55.000 --> 17:03.240]  This is a rule of law.
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[18:38.700 --> 19:02.200]  Okay, we are back. We're speaking with Jim in New York and then we're going to go to
[19:02.200 --> 19:10.200]  Gail and as Bill was saying on the break, there's like so many issues here. I mean we
[19:10.200 --> 19:16.600]  could sue the doctors for malpractice. I mean you could sue the attorney. I mean there's
[19:16.600 --> 19:23.760]  all kinds of remedies, all kinds of things that we could do here. I mean Randy was speaking
[19:23.760 --> 19:29.520]  earlier concerning a habeas. I mean if they've had some kind of an ex parte trial, I mean
[19:29.520 --> 19:33.520]  there's something that we could do about that. Randy, you want to address these issues?
[19:33.520 --> 19:40.200]  Yeah, when your wife told the police that her family had abducted her and they told
[19:40.200 --> 19:49.080]  her to shut up? Originally she told the police that she was being kidnapped and her family
[19:49.080 --> 19:53.200]  surrounded her and said, you're mistaken, you're wrong. Then when the police ordered
[19:53.200 --> 19:58.360]  me into the house, I protested and they made me crawl through my own home window to open
[19:58.360 --> 20:03.280]  up the door. At that point she did tell the police she was afraid of her brother.
[20:03.280 --> 20:06.520]  They made you climb through your own window? Didn't you have a key?
[20:06.520 --> 20:11.480]  Actually, I had just changed the locks on the door so I had to climb through the window,
[20:11.480 --> 20:12.480]  yeah.
[20:12.480 --> 20:14.960]  So you didn't have a key to the...
[20:14.960 --> 20:19.360]  No, she didn't have a key either and what they did is the police originally denied that
[20:19.360 --> 20:24.620]  they ever showed up to the property but then I hired a private investigator and we ran
[20:24.620 --> 20:29.480]  into the officer and he admitted that he was at that property and I had a letter from the
[20:29.480 --> 20:32.360]  town saying, we never responded to your house but then he said...
[20:32.360 --> 20:35.240]  Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, you avoided the question.
[20:35.240 --> 20:36.360]  I'm sorry.
[20:36.360 --> 20:44.560]  When your wife told the police she was being kidnapped, they told her to shut up?
[20:44.560 --> 20:46.800]  Yes, that's right.
[20:46.800 --> 20:49.840]  Why did they tell her to shut up?
[20:49.840 --> 20:52.040]  Because her brothers have a lot of political clout.
[20:52.040 --> 20:57.840]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, you're saying that her brothers, that she didn't do anything
[20:57.840 --> 21:03.680]  else to annoy the police, that this was totally her brothers having that much influence over
[21:03.680 --> 21:05.680]  local policemen?
[21:05.680 --> 21:09.440]  That's right and what had happened is they turned it into, since they got caught lying,
[21:09.440 --> 21:14.120]  they turned it into, they said that she wanted to leave the premises and that she wanted
[21:14.120 --> 21:18.560]  to get her property, that was their justification for coming in the house and Patricia had never
[21:18.560 --> 21:19.560]  said anything.
[21:19.560 --> 21:24.320]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, you keep shifting to different places.
[21:24.320 --> 21:25.320]  What house?
[21:25.320 --> 21:31.680]  Okay, so the family kidnapped her and now the police are coming into the house, how
[21:31.680 --> 21:35.560]  did they get to the house from where the family, did the family kidnap her and take her to
[21:35.560 --> 21:36.560]  her house?
[21:36.560 --> 21:42.720]  No, I had, when she was not at work they said that her brothers came to take her to lunch
[21:42.720 --> 21:47.920]  and then when I located her they took her out, they made her to believe they were going
[21:47.920 --> 21:53.360]  to lunch locally but then when they got her into the car, the diplomat's wife took my
[21:53.360 --> 21:59.000]  vehicle, dropped it off at the house and they transported her out to the brother's house
[21:59.000 --> 22:03.360]  where all the family members were waiting and at that time I had contacted the police
[22:03.360 --> 22:05.720]  and said I believe she had been kidnapped.
[22:05.720 --> 22:10.080]  They contacted the police and that's when they asked her about what was going on and
[22:10.080 --> 22:12.800]  they ignored her pleas for, for them to kidnap me.
[22:12.800 --> 22:16.080]  Wait a minute, you said, you said they contacted the police?
[22:16.080 --> 22:20.200]  The police contacted the brothers.
[22:20.200 --> 22:21.960]  Oh, okay.
[22:21.960 --> 22:24.200]  And then when they arrived at the house.
[22:24.200 --> 22:27.320]  Do you know what the brothers told the police?
[22:27.320 --> 22:32.480]  That she wanted to, well, we're not allowed the initial report, their death's been kept
[22:32.480 --> 22:36.280]  held up, we're not allowed the court transcripts, we're not allowed any information.
[22:36.280 --> 22:40.840]  Do you have any idea what they told her?
[22:40.840 --> 22:46.200]  From what we understand that we were talking about conspiracy theories and that she was
[22:46.200 --> 22:47.200]  mentally ill.
[22:47.200 --> 22:53.400]  They portrayed her to be mentally ill, which she wasn't at all, she's a normal, quiet,
[22:53.400 --> 22:56.160]  very quiet person.
[22:56.160 --> 23:05.440]  It just, it's hard to get everybody to all go in the same direction even when everybody's
[23:05.440 --> 23:12.880]  on the same team and here you have everybody in town going in what sounds like an outrageous
[23:12.880 --> 23:15.280]  direction.
[23:15.280 --> 23:16.280]  That's right.
[23:16.280 --> 23:21.320]  Her name is Patricia K-O-B-Y-L-A-K and if you were to Google that, you'll get all the
[23:21.320 --> 23:26.960]  video evidence and there's extreme lot of professional videos I produced to get attention
[23:26.960 --> 23:27.960]  to her story.
[23:27.960 --> 23:28.960]  K-O-B-Y?
[23:28.960 --> 23:29.960]  L-A-K.
[23:29.960 --> 23:30.960]  L-A-K.
[23:30.960 --> 23:38.720]  Okay, I will look into that, but we've got a lot of callers, we do need to move on.
[23:38.720 --> 23:45.840]  Would I be able to file a habeas corpus, probably, like a Frank's hearing maybe, because she
[23:45.840 --> 23:47.840]  doesn't have a high rate of condition?
[23:47.840 --> 23:53.720]  No, a Frank's hearing is for the purpose of, it has to do with a warrant.
[23:53.720 --> 23:59.120]  A Daubert's hearing would be to test, neither one of those would be appropriate here.
[23:59.120 --> 24:05.800]  A habeas sounds like the most likely, but your story would have to be much more clear
[24:05.800 --> 24:11.920]  than it is here, because in listening to your story, you created more questions than you
[24:11.920 --> 24:12.920]  answered.
[24:12.920 --> 24:15.680]  That's very complicated, I'll tell you that.
[24:15.680 --> 24:19.780]  I understand, it gets complicated quickly, but if we're going to address these issues,
[24:19.780 --> 24:26.120]  we have to find a way to break the story into manageable and understandable pieces, otherwise
[24:26.120 --> 24:28.980]  everybody comes away confused.
[24:28.980 --> 24:34.880]  So far, I'm more confused than anything else, I have no idea what's really going on yet.
[24:34.880 --> 24:40.760]  Okay, we wanted to break this up, and that's what they did, and they did a good job.
[24:40.760 --> 24:44.120]  I will look into it, but we really need to move on, we've got more callers.
[24:44.120 --> 24:45.120]  Thank you.
[24:45.120 --> 24:46.120]  Okay, thank you, Jim.
[24:46.120 --> 24:47.120]  Thank you.
[24:47.120 --> 24:48.120]  All right.
[24:48.120 --> 24:49.920]  Okay, we're going now to Gail in Minnesota.
[24:49.920 --> 24:52.800]  Gail, you had a question for Dr. Vieth?
[24:52.800 --> 24:55.200]  I do, thank you very much for taking my call.
[24:55.200 --> 24:56.200]  Hi, Dr. Vieth.
[24:56.200 --> 24:57.200]  Hello, Gail.
[24:57.200 --> 25:05.400]  Quick question, in the court case that I'm in, I was forced to take a vocational evaluation,
[25:05.400 --> 25:11.040]  I was forced to take a custody evaluation with MMPIs, and I was also forced to take
[25:11.040 --> 25:16.600]  breast MRIs to see if the cancer, how active the cancer still was.
[25:16.600 --> 25:23.480]  My question is, because the vocational evaluation, they did just what you said, they picked who
[25:23.480 --> 25:31.480]  they wanted, it's the only vocational evaluation doctor that even does MMPIs in the whole area,
[25:31.480 --> 25:39.640]  maybe the state that I was told, but they did put his results in, he did say that he
[25:39.640 --> 25:44.320]  felt they were invalid, no one was in the room watching me take them, there were all
[25:44.320 --> 25:49.820]  kinds of extenuating circumstances, they gave me directions that were contrary to other
[25:49.820 --> 25:53.640]  directions I'd been given and taken MMPIs before.
[25:53.640 --> 26:01.520]  Bottom line is this, since the tests have already been done, since it's very subjective,
[26:01.520 --> 26:07.840]  do you know if Randy or Deborah or Eddie know, is there possibly case law that would be able
[26:07.840 --> 26:16.160]  to prevent those from going into evidence since they are very subjective and they weren't
[26:16.160 --> 26:17.160]  valid?
[26:17.160 --> 26:21.600]  Okay, well let me ask you this question first, the person that gave you the vocational exam
[26:21.600 --> 26:28.800]  that included the MMPI, what was that person's credentials, was he a psychologist or what
[26:28.800 --> 26:29.800]  was he?
[26:29.800 --> 26:34.200]  His credentials were supposed to be a psychologist, yes.
[26:34.200 --> 26:39.840]  Okay, because if he's not a psychologist, he's not qualified to give an MMPI, because
[26:39.840 --> 26:48.240]  an MMPI is a psychological assessment instrument, it's not a vocational assessment instrument,
[26:48.240 --> 26:56.600]  so if the person is not a licensed psychologist, you don't have to have a PhD and be a licensed
[26:56.600 --> 27:02.080]  psychologist, he can't even administer that exam, so you need to find that out first,
[27:02.080 --> 27:08.000]  because most licensed psychologists don't really spend their time giving vocational
[27:08.000 --> 27:13.000]  tests, they spend their time giving psychological tests, so the fact that this person gave a
[27:13.000 --> 27:19.720]  vocational test indicates that there's a possibility he may not even have been a psychologist
[27:19.720 --> 27:30.600]  and can't give, administer an MMPI, so you need to verify that first, and the fact that
[27:30.600 --> 27:36.160]  they're subjective doesn't matter if once you decide to take them, you've agreed to
[27:36.160 --> 27:41.720]  take them, that's why you have to kind of take your stand, and even if they're ordered
[27:41.720 --> 27:45.920]  to take them, you either then take them and then the results are there, or you don't take
[27:45.920 --> 27:46.920]  them.
[27:46.920 --> 27:48.400]  Right, it was ordered.
[27:48.400 --> 27:53.640]  Okay, it was ordered, but again, that's what this whole show tonight is about, most people
[27:53.640 --> 27:58.160]  don't know that they should probably stand on their Fifth Amendment rights not to provide
[27:58.160 --> 28:04.920]  evidence or testimony against themselves and don't take them, but once you take them, the
[28:04.920 --> 28:07.360]  results are there.
[28:07.360 --> 28:13.000]  So even though once you take them, if you took them and you were forced to it, you were
[28:13.000 --> 28:19.240]  ordered and you did not know you had a Fifth Amendment right protecting you, is there possibly
[28:19.240 --> 28:23.680]  any case law or is there anything to bring up that might be able to keep them from being
[28:23.680 --> 28:25.400]  entered into valid evidence?
[28:25.400 --> 28:31.120]  Okay, that's a legal question that one of the other people here will have to answer.
[28:31.120 --> 28:37.880]  And I would want to say absolutely, if in order to take the test you had to sign anything
[28:37.880 --> 28:50.120]  that waived any right and you were ordered to do so, that is a clear violation and would
[28:50.120 --> 28:55.360]  go to, if it was criminal, it would go to habeas corpus, but otherwise it should go
[28:55.360 --> 29:06.000]  to disqualification of the test and invalidation of your signature on whatever document you
[29:06.000 --> 29:13.560]  signed because clearly we can't be forced to waive a right.
[29:13.560 --> 29:21.040]  Okay, you can waive one voluntarily, but you can't be compelled to waive one, okay?
[29:21.040 --> 29:24.160]  Clearly you can't be forced to sign anything.
[29:24.160 --> 29:25.160]  That'd be fraud, right?
[29:25.160 --> 29:28.680]  That would be being compelled to waive a right.
[29:28.680 --> 29:29.680]  Okay.
[29:29.680 --> 29:30.680]  Okay.
[29:30.680 --> 29:38.880]  But find out if that guy was even a psychologist, because if he's not, he can't administer
[29:38.880 --> 29:41.960]  an MMPI, so at least that couldn't be used.
[29:41.960 --> 29:42.960]  Okay.
[29:42.960 --> 29:48.360]  All right, great, excellent show, thank you so much, you guys have a great night.
[29:48.360 --> 29:49.360]  Thank you, Gail.
[29:49.360 --> 29:54.000]  Okay, we have another caller, Frank from New York, who has a question for Dr. Reath.
[29:54.000 --> 30:01.280]  We will be right back on the other side.
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[31:21.640 --> 31:27.360]  We're here with Dr. V, our very good friends, and we are taking your calls.
[31:27.360 --> 31:29.240]  We have Frank from New York.
[31:29.240 --> 31:31.120]  Frank, thank you for calling in.
[31:31.120 --> 31:33.120]  What's your question for Dr. V?
[31:33.120 --> 31:37.880]  Okay, I was in the town of Ulster.
[31:37.880 --> 31:42.720]  I called in before and told you briefly what I had a problem with, a couple of traffic
[31:42.720 --> 31:49.440]  tickets, serious ones, no insurance, no registration, no license, all that stuff, which were all
[31:49.440 --> 31:51.320]  expired and everything.
[31:51.320 --> 32:01.000]  I decided to fight and put in a claim of right, notice of understanding, and a notice of intent.
[32:01.000 --> 32:07.600]  I asked them to rebut my claims, and I think it was 14 days, I gave them a couple extra
[32:07.600 --> 32:08.600]  days.
[32:08.600 --> 32:14.560]  They told me how generous I was, and they kind of liked me, but they still tried to
[32:14.560 --> 32:17.600]  pull all this psychological evaluation thing on me.
[32:17.600 --> 32:25.160]  I told them I would be happy to entertain their psychological evaluation if they would
[32:25.160 --> 32:32.120]  honor my fee schedule, which I had put in my claim, which was $200 an hour.
[32:32.120 --> 32:39.080]  Every time I mentioned that, I would be glad to go and see the psychologist that they recommended
[32:39.080 --> 32:44.920]  as long as I got paid $200 an hour.
[32:44.920 --> 32:45.920]  That was my deal.
[32:45.920 --> 32:52.440]  If they were going to rebut it with any claims that they had, they had plenty of time to
[32:52.440 --> 32:53.440]  do so.
[32:53.440 --> 32:59.280]  I stood on my paperwork, like I said, hello, Randall, I talked to you the other day on
[32:59.280 --> 33:03.960]  the phone, and hello, Eddie, and it worked.
[33:03.960 --> 33:10.440]  Basically they asked me or begged me to talk to the prosecutor, and I asked to make a deal
[33:10.440 --> 33:13.800]  with the prosecutor they wanted me to do, and I said, well, does the prosecutor have
[33:13.800 --> 33:14.800]  an oath?
[33:14.800 --> 33:17.360]  They said no, but her boss might.
[33:17.360 --> 33:19.840]  Well, I said, that's not good enough.
[33:19.840 --> 33:25.680]  I'm going to stand on my papers, basically, and I shut up.
[33:25.680 --> 33:31.320]  They tried to wait me out, and it didn't work, so I came back again, and they had this other
[33:31.320 --> 33:32.320]  deal for me.
[33:32.320 --> 33:38.800]  They said, well, we're going to throw out the insurance, throw out the registration,
[33:38.800 --> 33:43.720]  but you can plead to a simple non-governmental license, and I said, is there a fine?
[33:43.720 --> 33:47.840]  They said, we're going to waive the fine, and I said, is there a surcharge?
[33:47.840 --> 33:54.040]  They said, we'll discharge the surcharge, and I said, no, I would like it to be dismissed
[33:54.040 --> 33:55.040]  with prejudice.
[33:55.040 --> 34:02.040]  He said, well, I can't do that, and I said, well, I can, and I said, I know this is all
[34:02.040 --> 34:10.240]  about revenue, and I told the whole court how I wanted them to ask me what I wanted,
[34:10.240 --> 34:14.040]  and I told them I wanted them to start educating the children younger, and I made up all this
[34:14.040 --> 34:15.040]  stuff.
[34:15.040 --> 34:21.800]  It was really silly, but I just wanted to entertain the audience.
[34:21.800 --> 34:25.400]  Did they force you into a psychological or psychiatric exam?
[34:25.400 --> 34:30.880]  No, they couldn't force me because they would have to pay me, because they didn't rebut
[34:30.880 --> 34:31.880]  my claim.
[34:31.880 --> 34:37.240]  Can I interject something here?
[34:37.240 --> 34:44.600]  When you were talking about entertaining the audience there, if you're going to do this
[34:44.600 --> 34:52.040]  stuff in court, throw out the entertainment and provide an education, because once you
[34:52.040 --> 34:58.280]  start entertaining, you invalidate the efforts of everyone that comes behind you.
[34:58.280 --> 35:07.640]  Well, I told them my duty was for the future generations, and that they asked me what generations.
[35:07.640 --> 35:10.000]  I said the children coming behind me.
[35:10.000 --> 35:15.760]  Yeah, but you said yourself that you did silly stuff with it, which invalidates it in the
[35:15.760 --> 35:20.320]  eyes of those that are going to be judging it over others, is all I'm getting at.
[35:20.320 --> 35:24.240]  It was silly to me at the time because I was always acting like it was a puppet, like Toto,
[35:24.240 --> 35:27.040]  pulling the curtain behind and showing with a wizard.
[35:27.040 --> 35:30.280]  Okay, and I have a question, hold on, I have a question, Frank.
[35:30.280 --> 35:34.600]  When I screened the call, when I screened your call, I asked you if you had a question
[35:34.600 --> 35:40.440]  for Dr. Vieth, and you said yes, so what is your question for Dr. Vieth?
[35:40.440 --> 35:46.360]  You think it's an effective thing to throw a claim in there with a fee schedule attached
[35:46.360 --> 35:50.240]  so that they can't force you or order you to do something without a bill coming?
[35:50.240 --> 35:54.680]  Well, that's a legal question, so I'm going to have to let one of the others answer that.
[35:54.680 --> 36:00.600]  Okay, well I thought it was pertinent to your psychological thing, that's all I thought.
[36:00.600 --> 36:06.000]  Well, but I'm not a legal person, I'm really incompetent to give legal advice, and I'll
[36:06.000 --> 36:07.000]  admit that.
[36:07.000 --> 36:11.040]  I'm a psychologist, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't deal with the court system anymore,
[36:11.040 --> 36:17.560]  so if that works, I guess it's okay, I mean, you know, you've got to do what works.
[36:17.560 --> 36:21.160]  You could ask one or the other one if they think it worked because it's a good tactic
[36:21.160 --> 36:23.040]  or they just didn't want to mess with you anymore.
[36:23.040 --> 36:28.000]  When I went to the hospital to look for the order from the judge, okay, because I did
[36:28.000 --> 36:32.320]  go there, I said, I would like to see the order, and I called the court and they said,
[36:32.320 --> 36:37.240]  well, the order is at the psychological court or the psychological examination, and I went
[36:37.240 --> 36:41.600]  there and I talked to the psychologist there and I said, do you have an order from the
[36:41.600 --> 36:42.600]  judge?
[36:42.600 --> 36:44.440]  And she said no.
[36:44.440 --> 36:52.760]  So does the judge give an order to them or to me or, I don't know, how did that work?
[36:52.760 --> 36:58.680]  Well, the judge, it looks to me like in these cases, the judge orders whoever is involved
[36:58.680 --> 37:04.440]  with the court system, whether they're a defendant in a criminal case or whether they're involved
[37:04.440 --> 37:10.320]  in some kind of a civil suit, like a family court, the person involved with the court
[37:10.320 --> 37:17.160]  is the one that gets ordered to go take the exam, and apparently, that individual has
[37:17.160 --> 37:25.040]  to sign a waiver and voluntarily do it, so no, I would believe the answer is no, the
[37:25.040 --> 37:27.800]  doctor is not ordered to do it.
[37:27.800 --> 37:34.120]  Okay, so I asked for a copy of the order from the judge for my records so I can charge the
[37:34.120 --> 37:40.600]  fee schedule, and I didn't receive one, but they told me it was at the shrink's office,
[37:40.600 --> 37:45.720]  so I went down there to get it, and when I went there, they didn't know nothing about
[37:45.720 --> 37:46.720]  it.
[37:46.720 --> 37:47.720]  Sounds like a runaround.
[37:47.720 --> 37:48.720]  That's what I'm saying.
[37:48.720 --> 37:50.400]  They're just trying to mess me around.
[37:50.400 --> 37:53.640]  You know, another question that came to mind is, what if they had said, well, we won't
[37:53.640 --> 37:58.480]  pay you $200 to take it, but we'll pay you a dollar an hour to take it, now you've already
[37:58.480 --> 38:03.320]  agreed that you'll take it with some money, so now you're just arguing over the amount,
[38:03.320 --> 38:07.320]  you know, I don't know if that could compromise your position and cause you, is there some
[38:07.320 --> 38:12.400]  amount in between that you could, you know, once you've agreed to take it, that they could
[38:12.400 --> 38:15.200]  make you take it now by paying you some amount in between?
[38:15.200 --> 38:21.240]  Well, I was just, I pay them $200 an hour as my fee schedule for any orders that they
[38:21.240 --> 38:22.240]  make.
[38:22.240 --> 38:26.000]  Well, I wouldn't rely on that, because you never know, and depending on the case, they
[38:26.000 --> 38:28.160]  just might take you up on the offer, and...
[38:28.160 --> 38:31.560]  Yeah, I mean, even there, yeah, you put yourself in a position, you might wind up taking an
[38:31.560 --> 38:32.800]  exam that you don't want to take.
[38:32.800 --> 38:38.640]  The whole point of the show is that, just don't take it, period.
[38:38.640 --> 38:39.640]  Just don't take it.
[38:39.640 --> 38:40.640]  That's good advice, now.
[38:40.640 --> 38:41.640]  I'm not saying it's legal advice.
[38:41.640 --> 38:47.960]  I mean, what if you, what if it's like some, you know, somebody that the court really,
[38:47.960 --> 38:53.040]  really wants to nail for some serious charges or something, and they're already spending
[38:53.040 --> 38:57.320]  hundreds of thousands of dollars on a prosecution, so, hey, what's a couple hundred bucks?
[38:57.320 --> 39:00.120]  The guy said he would take the test, so here you go.
[39:00.120 --> 39:04.760]  I wouldn't, I would never rely on that when my liberties and freedoms are at stake.
[39:04.760 --> 39:06.200]  Right, because what if they have said yes?
[39:06.200 --> 39:12.000]  I'm asking so many questions that I would have been there for like 20 or 30 hours.
[39:12.000 --> 39:17.440]  Yeah, but as far as your offer of $200, what if they had said, okay, we'll do it?
[39:17.440 --> 39:18.440]  That's the whole problem.
[39:18.440 --> 39:22.480]  Well, I would have had enough money by the time I was over to pay all the tickets.
[39:22.480 --> 39:28.080]  No, no, no, because a psychological, you could give a psychological battery, a good person
[39:28.080 --> 39:31.280]  in ministry could probably give it in three hours, okay?
[39:31.280 --> 39:32.280]  That's $600.
[39:32.280 --> 39:37.960]  So, for $600, if they want to nail you even for being, if they perceive you as a smart
[39:37.960 --> 39:42.200]  aleck, what if they do it and you wind up taking it and you wind up getting labeled
[39:42.200 --> 39:46.160]  with a mental disorder or incompetent over $600?
[39:46.160 --> 39:47.640]  I don't know if that's worth it.
[39:47.640 --> 39:49.640]  Yeah, the whole point that Bill...
[39:49.640 --> 39:50.640]  I took a risk anyway.
[39:50.640 --> 39:51.640]  Yeah, you took a risk.
[39:51.640 --> 39:53.480]  That is a serious risk.
[39:53.480 --> 39:57.840]  You bluffed them and they took it, but you could have put yourself in serious trouble
[39:57.840 --> 39:59.080]  if they hadn't taken your bluff.
[39:59.080 --> 40:03.760]  Yeah, the point that Bill's been trying to make the whole show is that if a court rules
[40:03.760 --> 40:10.880]  someone incompetent, that is probably more serious than any jail sentence you could ever
[40:10.880 --> 40:15.320]  face because once you're ruled incompetent, they can take away all your freedoms, all
[40:15.320 --> 40:18.480]  your liberties, and there's no going back.
[40:18.480 --> 40:23.840]  Maybe they might reverse it at some point in time, okay, with all kinds of evidence
[40:23.840 --> 40:29.680]  and psychological testing to prove that maybe you become competent again, but you just don't
[40:29.680 --> 40:30.680]  want to go there.
[40:30.680 --> 40:31.680]  That's a life sentence.
[40:31.680 --> 40:34.840]  Yeah, I wouldn't mess with that over $600.
[40:34.840 --> 40:38.040]  Well, I did mess with it one time and I did squeak by.
[40:38.040 --> 40:41.120]  I don't recommend it for anybody because you really have to be a sweetheart.
[40:41.120 --> 40:44.880]  You have to go in there as a sweetheart no matter what they do or what they say.
[40:44.880 --> 40:45.880]  It's hard to do.
[40:45.880 --> 40:53.720]  I mean, I was cringing trying to hold my tongue because I didn't want to enter any
[40:53.720 --> 41:01.080]  conversation with them whatsoever and it was my first time and everything, so it was really
[41:01.080 --> 41:02.080]  hard for me to do.
[41:02.080 --> 41:03.080]  I was shaking at first.
[41:03.080 --> 41:05.080]  It sounds like you did really good.
[41:05.080 --> 41:06.080]  I did.
[41:06.080 --> 41:10.280]  Well, I think he lucked out because if he had taken him up on his offer, he could have
[41:10.280 --> 41:12.720]  put himself in some serious trouble.
[41:12.720 --> 41:15.080]  I was trying to be like Toto.
[41:15.080 --> 41:17.960]  No one kicks the puppy and that's all I had in my head.
[41:17.960 --> 41:19.320]  Nobody ever kicks the puppy.
[41:19.320 --> 41:26.000]  Just be a puppy and just innocently pull the curtain back from the wizard.
[41:26.000 --> 41:29.680]  It basically worked, but I couldn't do it twice.
[41:29.680 --> 41:33.200]  You obviously haven't watched very many of these YouTube videos where they're stomping
[41:33.200 --> 41:35.320]  the kittens and the puppies, okay?
[41:35.320 --> 41:41.920]  No, I'm not crazy with YouTube, no.
[41:41.920 --> 41:47.000]  I see where you're coming from and they did say they felt sorry for me, so I guess I did
[41:47.000 --> 41:48.000]  my job.
[41:48.000 --> 41:49.640]  I don't think I could do it again, though.
[41:49.640 --> 41:50.640]  I don't recommend it.
[41:50.640 --> 41:53.200]  No, I wouldn't recommend that tactic either.
[41:53.200 --> 41:56.960]  No, it's nerve-racking and it really has to come from your heart.
[41:56.960 --> 42:03.080]  If you don't come out leading with your heart, which is really hard in today's age, I don't
[42:03.080 --> 42:06.960]  know where I got it from, but it just happened.
[42:06.960 --> 42:11.680]  I impressed everybody and I impressed myself and my father was impressed and I don't think
[42:11.680 --> 42:13.680]  I'll ever do that again.
[42:13.680 --> 42:17.280]  Well, it's something you'll get to carry with you.
[42:17.280 --> 42:19.720]  At least one time you stood up to the bear.
[42:19.720 --> 42:20.720]  Yeah.
[42:20.720 --> 42:22.720]  I don't think I'll do that again, though.
[42:22.720 --> 42:23.720]  I was too nerve-racking.
[42:23.720 --> 42:29.160]  Unless it goes to your head a little bit, I noticed.
[42:29.160 --> 42:34.760]  I have lots of those things that I will never do again.
[42:34.760 --> 42:42.240]  I think back on three dislocated ribs, broken elbow, two broken collarbones, there's a lot
[42:42.240 --> 42:43.880]  of stuff I'm not going to do again.
[42:43.880 --> 42:49.080]  Randy, I admire you and I've told you this, I admire you and I really do.
[42:49.080 --> 42:55.360]  You remind me of a lot of veterans I've known who've done courageous things.
[42:55.360 --> 43:00.480]  You still got that heart, you still got it in you and I really admire you and I recommend
[43:00.480 --> 43:01.480]  you to everybody.
[43:01.480 --> 43:02.480]  Well, thank you.
[43:02.480 --> 43:07.400]  In fact, Larry and Krista are listening.
[43:07.400 --> 43:13.480]  I think you met them in Albany for briefly before you caught your train.
[43:13.480 --> 43:15.560]  Krista the paralegal.
[43:15.560 --> 43:17.960]  Right, right, right.
[43:17.960 --> 43:22.800]  I recommended that to you to talk to you briefly just to get the spirit, just to feel the spirit
[43:22.800 --> 43:23.800]  from you.
[43:23.800 --> 43:26.600]  Can you get her to send me an email?
[43:26.600 --> 43:28.040]  She's on the phone listening right now.
[43:28.040 --> 43:29.040]  She's listening.
[43:29.040 --> 43:30.040]  She's talking to Larry right now.
[43:30.040 --> 43:31.040]  Oh, good.
[43:31.040 --> 43:32.040]  She's listening to the show.
[43:32.040 --> 43:33.040]  Wonderful.
[43:33.040 --> 43:34.040]  All right.
[43:34.040 --> 43:35.040]  See you guys later.
[43:35.040 --> 43:39.880]  Listen, yeah, we're going to break and when we get back on the other side, I want to get
[43:39.880 --> 43:45.040]  a wrap up from Dr. Veece so that we can let him go, he's spent a long time with us.
[43:45.040 --> 43:47.000]  So I appreciate that Bill.
[43:47.000 --> 43:49.040]  Thank you so much for hanging on the line with us so long.
[43:49.040 --> 43:50.040]  You're quite welcome.
[43:50.040 --> 43:52.080]  Very, very valuable information.
[43:52.080 --> 43:54.160]  We will be back on the other side.
[43:54.160 --> 43:56.160]  This is the rule of law.
[43:56.160 --> 44:00.160]  We'll be right back with Dr. Veece.
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[45:14.880 --> 45:33.640]  Alright, always must be careful what you're wishing for by saying that's a good word of
[45:33.640 --> 45:36.760]  wisdom for our friend Frank there.
[45:36.760 --> 45:39.040]  So we are here with Dr. Veev.
[45:39.040 --> 45:41.240]  Thank you so much for staying on the line with us so long.
[45:41.240 --> 45:43.360]  Can you please give us a wrap up, Bill?
[45:43.360 --> 45:45.440]  Sure, I'd be glad to.
[45:45.440 --> 45:51.920]  Yeah, I just kind of would like to let the people that are listening understand that
[45:51.920 --> 45:55.760]  the psychological tests are, there's nothing wrong with them per se.
[45:55.760 --> 45:57.720]  In fact, they're very good.
[45:57.720 --> 46:00.320]  It takes a lot of research to design them.
[46:00.320 --> 46:03.000]  Over the years they've improved them.
[46:03.000 --> 46:07.480]  They certainly serve a function for people that want to take them and need them and they
[46:07.480 --> 46:09.760]  can be very beneficial.
[46:09.760 --> 46:13.480]  You need to find, even then, you need to find somebody who's good at administering them
[46:13.480 --> 46:18.800]  and good at interpreting them and writing up the proper report so they're helpful.
[46:18.800 --> 46:24.440]  But you can't give somebody a good treatment plan unless you come up with a good diagnosis.
[46:24.440 --> 46:25.600]  And that's what they're used for.
[46:25.600 --> 46:32.040]  They're used to diagnose the problem and really figure out how this individual functions.
[46:32.040 --> 46:33.200]  And it's not the whole story.
[46:33.200 --> 46:36.480]  A psych exam is one piece of evidence.
[46:36.480 --> 46:40.160]  You have to look again at how the person has been functioning their whole life, what they've
[46:40.160 --> 46:47.120]  done in their past and their relationships and their stability with relationships and
[46:47.120 --> 46:48.120]  jobs.
[46:48.120 --> 46:52.800]  There's a lot of piece of evidence and a psychological test battery, the data from that is just one
[46:52.800 --> 46:57.760]  piece of evidence to try to figure out how this person functions and then come up with
[46:57.760 --> 46:59.600]  a treatment plan to help them.
[46:59.600 --> 47:04.840]  The problem is I think they're misused in the courts when they're ordered to be taken,
[47:04.840 --> 47:08.960]  when people are ordered to take them or any time somebody is forced to do something against
[47:08.960 --> 47:15.080]  their will, that's a misuse of whatever it is that's being done to them, of the application
[47:15.080 --> 47:16.880]  that's being done to them.
[47:16.880 --> 47:24.920]  So I don't want the audience to get a negative feeling towards the psychological exam itself
[47:24.920 --> 47:30.720]  or towards all psychologists and psychiatrists because there is a place for these things.
[47:30.720 --> 47:34.600]  The problem is always when you're made to do something against your will.
[47:34.600 --> 47:38.560]  That's where the problem comes in because that's taking away your rights and freedoms
[47:38.560 --> 47:41.320]  and so that's what we have to resist.
[47:41.320 --> 47:44.200]  And so anyway, those are my closing comments.
[47:44.200 --> 47:50.040]  All right, thank you Bill, very good words of wisdom.
[47:50.040 --> 47:55.200]  Okay, well it's been a pleasure being on the show again and then thanks for having me and
[47:55.200 --> 47:58.320]  I hope to help out in some little way.
[47:58.320 --> 48:00.000]  Thank you very much Dr. East.
[48:00.000 --> 48:01.000]  Thank you so much.
[48:01.000 --> 48:03.640]  Okay, you're quite welcome and I'm going to turn the show on and listen to the rest while
[48:03.640 --> 48:07.200]  I'm doing some typing some progress notes here at my desk.
[48:07.200 --> 48:08.200]  Okay.
[48:08.200 --> 48:09.200]  Okay.
[48:09.200 --> 48:10.200]  All right, thanks Bill.
[48:10.200 --> 48:11.200]  Okay, bye bye.
[48:11.200 --> 48:12.200]  Okay, good night.
[48:12.200 --> 48:19.800]  This thing of psychological evaluations appears to be becoming more of a problem because the
[48:19.800 --> 48:26.160]  court seems to have realized they can use it as a tool to terrorize people.
[48:26.160 --> 48:32.160]  I had someone I was working with once and they tried to force him to take a psychological
[48:32.160 --> 48:36.640]  evaluation and he said, I can't do this.
[48:36.640 --> 48:45.680]  If I get a ruling against me, it will ruin my entire life and he was far more terrified
[48:45.680 --> 48:50.720]  of that psychological exam than he was of any time he would spend in jail.
[48:50.720 --> 48:56.000]  And with good reason, as Bill just said, they can take away all your liberties and all your
[48:56.000 --> 48:59.360]  freedoms for the rest of your life.
[48:59.360 --> 49:03.520]  It's worse than a jail sentence unless you're sentenced to prison for life.
[49:03.520 --> 49:07.720]  I mean, this is not something to be messing around with.
[49:07.720 --> 49:13.960]  I think that the moral of the story here, the lesson is don't do it.
[49:13.960 --> 49:19.680]  Do not take these tests under any circumstances when you're ordered to by the courts.
[49:19.680 --> 49:26.160]  I mean, I feel sorry for people who are in these situations when it comes to like a child
[49:26.160 --> 49:31.640]  custody case and they're faced with not ever being able to see their kids again or faced
[49:31.640 --> 49:36.240]  with not having custody of their kids or whatever unless they submit to this.
[49:36.240 --> 49:40.800]  That's a very difficult situation, but really, is it worth it?
[49:40.800 --> 49:42.880]  Is it really worth it?
[49:42.880 --> 49:47.880]  I mean, they could put you away forever.
[49:47.880 --> 49:49.680]  You'll never see your kids again.
[49:49.680 --> 49:56.240]  Yes, and it's not criminal, so it doesn't engage your civil rights.
[49:56.240 --> 50:00.960]  You're just some wacko that needs to be doped up and stuffed into a room.
[50:00.960 --> 50:02.440]  This is terrifying stuff.
[50:02.440 --> 50:04.000]  Well, I don't know.
[50:04.000 --> 50:08.640]  There might be some civil rights at stake here regarding this sort of thing, but it
[50:08.640 --> 50:12.960]  certainly, it seems regarding your fundamental basic rights.
[50:12.960 --> 50:19.520]  Well, it's certainly the way the courts are trying to treat it is if we say that you're
[50:19.520 --> 50:26.040]  incompetent, then none of these supposed civil rights apply to you.
[50:26.040 --> 50:32.800]  You somehow become a third-rate citizen or less than a citizen, you become a nonentity.
[50:32.800 --> 50:38.000]  Well, actually, that brings up a good point, Randy, because I would like to see if there
[50:38.000 --> 50:45.160]  are civil rights laws regarding the treatment of people who are declared incompetent because
[50:45.160 --> 50:52.520]  civil rights is a completely different issue from fundamental basic rights.
[50:52.520 --> 50:53.880]  Civil rights are legislated.
[50:53.880 --> 50:58.600]  I mean, this is what the whole Mike Mears method is about.
[50:58.600 --> 51:03.560]  When he deals with the third-party debt collectors and the creditors and such, he goes for civil
[51:03.560 --> 51:04.560]  rights issues.
[51:04.560 --> 51:09.000]  Those are legislated, quote, unquote, rights, if you want to call it, so maybe we should
[51:09.000 --> 51:14.880]  start looking at civil rights, if there are any civil rights laws regarding people who
[51:14.880 --> 51:16.400]  are declared incompetent.
[51:16.400 --> 51:25.760]  That's a good question, something I hadn't considered a separate adjudication.
[51:25.760 --> 51:29.840]  How would you sort that out?
[51:29.840 --> 51:30.840]  I don't know.
[51:30.840 --> 51:34.360]  These are issues that we're just starting to get into.
[51:34.360 --> 51:42.600]  We certainly need to find a way to combat the forced psychological evaluation because
[51:42.600 --> 51:50.800]  the idea that they could force me to take a psychological exam in a hostile environment.
[51:50.800 --> 51:54.320]  Well, Randy, apparently you have to sign.
[51:54.320 --> 51:56.080]  You have to sign a waiver.
[51:56.080 --> 52:04.800]  So what is the case law regarding the courts being able to force anybody to sign anything?
[52:04.800 --> 52:08.720]  You absolutely cannot be forced to waive a right, period.
[52:08.720 --> 52:11.280]  Can you be forced to sign something?
[52:11.280 --> 52:17.080]  That's what that goes to, you waive your right to privacy of your medical records.
[52:17.080 --> 52:23.080]  They want to be able to gather these medical records and then make them available to the
[52:23.080 --> 52:24.080]  court.
[52:24.080 --> 52:28.880]  But if you don't sign, that's a right you have and they can't take it away.
[52:28.880 --> 52:31.400]  Well then the answer is just don't sign it.
[52:31.400 --> 52:38.560]  That's, well, then they, the fellow I was working with, then they put him in jail for
[52:38.560 --> 52:39.560]  contempt.
[52:39.560 --> 52:41.520]  So then what do you do about that?
[52:41.520 --> 52:43.840]  That goes, then you go to habeas corpus.
[52:43.840 --> 52:51.080]  The problem is, is the person on the sharp end winds up looking at their life flushing
[52:51.080 --> 52:52.080]  down the toilet.
[52:52.080 --> 52:56.520]  Yeah, well, it's really going to flush down the toilet if they sign that paper.
[52:56.520 --> 53:04.600]  It clearly is a terroristic tool because they clearly use it to terrorize the individual,
[53:04.600 --> 53:12.200]  especially if the individual has character and is an upstanding citizen.
[53:12.200 --> 53:20.520]  When you've worked your whole life to build a reputation, it can be gone in an instant.
[53:20.520 --> 53:27.520]  Nothing you ever say or do, the rest of your life will make any difference before the effect
[53:27.520 --> 53:28.880]  of the psychological evaluation.
[53:28.880 --> 53:34.880]  Well, I tell you what, after this show tonight, for sure I would rather be thrown in jail
[53:34.880 --> 53:41.280]  for contempt and deal with legal issues and habeas corpus and all these kinds of things.
[53:41.280 --> 53:46.560]  That is a much better scenario than getting declared incompetent and being thrown in a
[53:46.560 --> 53:51.840]  psych ward for the rest of my life and never getting out ever.
[53:51.840 --> 53:55.600]  And there's no legal, I mean, you can't, it's like you can't appeal.
[53:55.600 --> 53:58.840]  It's not like when you're in the legal system.
[53:58.840 --> 54:02.840]  It's not like there's appeals and habeas corpuses and all these kinds of things.
[54:02.840 --> 54:03.840]  It ain't like that.
[54:03.840 --> 54:06.560]  Once you're declared incompetent, it's over, pal.
[54:06.560 --> 54:17.120]  It is over and you have to take more exams and maybe the court might reverse it or conditionally
[54:17.120 --> 54:18.560]  or something like that.
[54:18.560 --> 54:23.520]  I mean, it's like, oh man, you don't even want to go there.
[54:23.520 --> 54:26.200]  You're totally at the mercy of someone else.
[54:26.200 --> 54:33.560]  Totally at the mercy of the handlers, whoever's administering the tests, the court, everything.
[54:33.560 --> 54:36.040]  You don't even have habeas corpus.
[54:36.040 --> 54:37.040]  Forget it, pal.
[54:37.040 --> 54:38.280]  Don't even go there.
[54:38.280 --> 54:39.280]  Don't even go there.
[54:39.280 --> 54:45.240]  It's better to get thrown in jail for contempt and then fight it with the habeas and other
[54:45.240 --> 54:52.240]  means, lawsuits, bar grievances, the standard thing, appeal.
[54:52.240 --> 55:00.160]  You have way more of a chance of surviving with contempt charge than getting declared
[55:00.160 --> 55:01.160]  incompetent.
[55:01.160 --> 55:03.240]  Just don't even do it.
[55:03.240 --> 55:14.120]  We need to do some research on the civil rights issue of a forced examination because there
[55:14.120 --> 55:15.760]  has to be protections there.
[55:15.760 --> 55:20.080]  It seems like there... Well, see, the problem is that it's voluntary.
[55:20.080 --> 55:24.200]  I mean, once you sign the paper, you're waiving your rights.
[55:24.200 --> 55:26.760]  The problem is it's not always voluntary.
[55:26.760 --> 55:29.600]  You just said the court can't force you to sign it.
[55:29.600 --> 55:36.440]  Yeah, but sometimes they can declare you incompetent to the point that you're not even considered
[55:36.440 --> 55:39.080]  competent to do that, then they appoint a guardian to do it.
[55:39.080 --> 55:41.880]  Well, then they're going to have to have a trial then, like Bill said.
[55:41.880 --> 55:44.040]  They're going to have to have a competency trial.
[55:44.040 --> 55:48.240]  If they're going to declare someone incompetent when they haven't even taken a psychological
[55:48.240 --> 55:52.600]  or psychiatric test, then they have to have a full-on trial with hearing and evidence
[55:52.600 --> 55:53.600]  and everything.
[55:53.600 --> 55:54.600]  I agree.
[55:54.600 --> 55:55.600]  I agree.
[55:55.600 --> 55:57.840]  They can't just say you are just because you won't take the test.
[55:57.840 --> 55:58.840]  Well, yeah.
[55:58.840 --> 55:59.840]  I agree.
[55:59.840 --> 56:07.920]  That's where the problem is, and psychological evaluations have a valid place where sometimes
[56:07.920 --> 56:15.680]  you have people that are clearly unable to protect themselves.
[56:15.680 --> 56:25.160]  In those cases, in an ordered and civil society, we need protections in place for them.
[56:25.160 --> 56:29.240]  They can't be... I disagree with the forced psychological examiner in these circumstances.
[56:29.240 --> 56:34.240]  If somebody is a danger to themselves or others, then there needs to be a trial with hearing
[56:34.240 --> 56:39.000]  and evidence, just like a criminal trial, and that is the way the legal system is set
[56:39.000 --> 56:40.000]  up.
[56:40.000 --> 56:41.000]  That's what Bill's been telling us.
[56:41.000 --> 56:42.000]  I agree.
[56:42.000 --> 56:49.800]  They can sit there on the stand, moot, don't say a word, and both sides present the evidence,
[56:49.800 --> 56:58.720]  but I totally disagree with forced psychological exams under any circumstances whatsoever.
[56:58.720 --> 56:59.720]  Not an option.
[56:59.720 --> 57:07.560]  What do you do with someone who clearly is demented?
[57:07.560 --> 57:08.560]  Maybe some...
[57:08.560 --> 57:14.240]  Then there needs to be a trial and evidence presented, and the court make a ruling in
[57:14.240 --> 57:17.760]  front of a judge, or have a jury make a ruling, just like a criminal trial.
[57:17.760 --> 57:18.760]  But how do you...
[57:18.760 --> 57:21.280]  I figured we just elected them to public office.
[57:21.280 --> 57:22.760]  Yeah, that too.
[57:22.760 --> 57:23.760]  Exactly.
[57:23.760 --> 57:29.440]  We only have so many public offices available.
[57:29.440 --> 57:32.080]  And this is not an argument for big government either.
[57:32.080 --> 57:36.560]  We're not going to be creating more public servant offices.
[57:36.560 --> 57:38.800]  So we have a place for these poor incompetents.
[57:38.800 --> 57:39.800]  No.
[57:39.800 --> 57:40.800]  No.
[57:40.800 --> 57:41.800]  I'm totally with Bill.
[57:41.800 --> 57:43.760]  No forced psychological evaluations.
[57:43.760 --> 57:44.760]  And what is this?
[57:44.760 --> 57:47.280]  What do you do with somebody who's clearly demented?
[57:47.280 --> 57:52.640]  Well, let the court and the judge and the jury make that determination with a trial.
[57:52.640 --> 57:56.600]  How do you do that if you can't develop any kind of evidence?
[57:56.600 --> 58:01.600]  If you can't develop evidence, then you wind up on the street and walk out in public parties?
[58:01.600 --> 58:06.080]  Maybe Bill will call back in and talk about the kind of evidence that is admissible in
[58:06.080 --> 58:10.760]  court for an incompetency trial that has nothing to do with the psychological evaluation.
[58:10.760 --> 58:14.680]  Well, I'm just saying everything is not sinister.
[58:14.680 --> 58:19.880]  I'm not saying everything is sinister, but forced psychological evaluations are absolutely
[58:19.880 --> 58:20.880]  sinister.
[58:20.880 --> 58:21.880]  There is no question about it.
[58:21.880 --> 58:27.320]  If the court, if somebody has the intention of declaring someone else incompetent by the
[58:27.320 --> 58:32.560]  court, then there needs to be a trial and evidence has to be presented that has nothing
[58:32.560 --> 58:34.200]  to do with the psychological exam.
[58:34.200 --> 58:36.280]  And Bill is back on the line, by the way.
[58:36.280 --> 58:37.280]  So I think he...
[58:37.280 --> 58:38.280]  Now I'm going to get it.
[58:38.280 --> 58:39.280]  Yeah.
[58:39.280 --> 58:41.280]  You're already in trouble, pal.
[58:41.280 --> 58:42.280]  All right.
[58:42.280 --> 58:46.160]  We will be right back and Bill's going to talk about hopefully what kind of evidence would
[58:46.160 --> 58:50.920]  be submitted in a hearing like this, in a trial, in a competency trial that has nothing
[58:50.920 --> 58:54.240]  to do with a psychological exam.
[58:54.240 --> 59:01.240]  We'll be right back.
[59:01.240 --> 59:06.200]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM, but finding things on the internet isn't so
[59:06.200 --> 59:09.840]  easy and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[59:09.840 --> 59:12.840]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books then.
[59:12.840 --> 59:13.840]  Brave New Books?
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[59:14.840 --> 59:19.200]  Brave New Books has all the books and DVDs you're looking for by authors like Alex Jones,
[59:19.200 --> 59:21.200]  Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
[59:21.200 --> 59:24.520]  They even stock inner food, Berkey products, and Calvin Soaps.
[59:24.520 --> 59:27.520]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[59:27.520 --> 59:29.000]  Go check it out for yourself.
[59:29.000 --> 59:32.920]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street, just south of UT.
[59:32.920 --> 59:36.720]  Oh, by UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[59:36.720 --> 59:42.000]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking
[59:42.000 --> 59:45.000]  facility, just behind the bookstore.
[59:45.000 --> 59:48.000]  It does exist, but when are they open?
[59:48.000 --> 59:52.760]  Monday through Saturday, 11 AM to 9 PM, and 1 to 6 PM on Sundays.
[59:52.760 --> 59:58.880]  So give them a call at 512-480-2503 or check out their events page at Brave New Bookstore
[59:58.880 --> 59:59.880]  dot com.
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[01:00:04.520 --> 01:00:09.440]  Iranian naval forces have detected a U.S. nuclear-armed and powered submarine in the
[01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:15.840]  Persian Gulf, triggering safety concerns in one of the world's most important energy routes.
[01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:21.040]  Experts say the presence of a nuclear submarine in a narrow waterway poses a risk of an ecologically
[01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:25.400]  disastrous accident and nuclear pollution.
[01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:31.480]  Mexican President Felipe Calderon says Mexico does not object to U.S. plans to station 1,200
[01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.600]  National Guard along the border so long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying
[01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:39.240]  to get into the U.S.
[01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:43.920]  Congressional investigators said Wednesday BP engineers tried to activate the huge piece
[01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:49.640]  of underwater safety equipment to plug the massive spill, but failed because diagrams
[01:00:49.640 --> 01:00:55.360]  of the blow-up preventer had been so altered, they were unrecognizable.
[01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.040]  South Korean analysts are questioning how a submarine of a fifth-rate power was able
[01:01:00.040 --> 01:01:06.880]  to penetrate a U.S. South Korean naval exercise and sink a ship that was designed for anti-submarine
[01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:07.880]  warfare.
[01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:11.920]  Articles appearing in the South Korean and Japanese media suggest the naval exercise
[01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:16.520]  was, in fact, intended to provoke the North to attack.
[01:01:16.520 --> 01:01:21.520]  According to this analysis, the resulting public outcry in the South would bolster support
[01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:26.440]  for the conservative South Korean government that is opposed to reconciliation efforts.
[01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:33.000]  Japanese journalist Tanaka Sakai called the ship's sinking, quote, an enigma, adding the
[01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:38.440]  Cheonan was a patrol boat whose mission was to survey the enemy submarines, torpedoes,
[01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:39.440]  and aircraft.
[01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.880]  Sakai wrote, if North Korean submarines and torpedoes were approaching, the Cheonan should
[01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.220]  have been able to sense it quickly and take measures to counterattack or evade.
[01:01:49.220 --> 01:01:55.640]  It is hard to imagine that the Cheonan sonar forces were not on alert.
[01:01:55.640 --> 01:02:01.280]  Amnesty International said in its annual report Thursday the U.S. and members of the EU had
[01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:06.360]  obstructed international justice by using their positions on the U.N. Security Council
[01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:11.600]  to shield Israel from accountability for war crimes allegedly committed during last year's
[01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:13.040]  Gaza war.
[01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:19.120]  The rights group also accused Israel of continually violating human rights in the Gaza Strip.
[01:02:19.120 --> 01:02:24.880]  Amnesty cited Israel's ongoing economic blockade as violating international law, leaving Gaza
[01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.360]  residents without adequate food or water supplies.
[01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:33.840]  In its report, Amnesty praised a U.N. report released last year by South African Justice
[01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:39.120]  Richard Goldstone for highlighting Israeli violations during the Gaza war.
[01:02:39.120 --> 01:02:45.240]  Goldstone found both Israel and Hamas guilty of war crimes during the conflict.
[01:02:45.240 --> 01:02:50.320]  Amnesty said, quote, Israel used Palestinian civilians as human shields and indiscriminately
[01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:54.320]  fired white phosphorus over densely populated residential areas.
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[01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:31.680]  All right, Dr. Veep has called back in.
[01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:42.200]  We're discussing in a trial, in a competency trial, what kind of evidence could be presented
[01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:51.160]  to get a ruling to declare someone incompetent without a psychological evaluation, without
[01:03:51.160 --> 01:03:52.160]  a psych exam.
[01:03:52.160 --> 01:03:54.760]  So, Bill, can you please enlighten us on this matter?
[01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:55.760]  Right, yeah.
[01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.080]  Well, the reason I called back in is Randy had mentioned that, you know, certainly we
[01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:05.280]  need, the society needs to be able to protect us against people that might be incompetent
[01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:10.640]  or even protect them against themselves, or he said, what if somebody is clearly demented?
[01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:18.680]  And my point is that I don't think, if somebody is clearly demented and may be a danger to
[01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:23.280]  self or others, then there's probably all kinds of evidence that somebody can come in
[01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.120]  with testimony, either maybe the person set their house on fire because they forgot to
[01:04:28.120 --> 01:04:32.800]  turn off a burner, or maybe the person has had two accidents in a car because they can't
[01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:33.800]  drive.
[01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.960]  I mean, if the competency is even in question, there's already behavioral evidence.
[01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.800]  So, forcing someone to take a psych exam is not going to contribute any more to the evidence
[01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:44.800]  that exists.
[01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:51.840]  So, the point is that I was trying to make is that I don't think psychological evaluations
[01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.960]  are appropriate under any circumstances when it's forced, ever.
[01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:01.440]  If it's voluntary, then, because first of all, if it's forced, you've got the problem
[01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.960]  with the validity of the data to begin with.
[01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.960]  So, what good did it do?
[01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.080]  It was a waste of time.
[01:05:07.080 --> 01:05:11.200]  That was the point I was trying to get to, that there are other avenues.
[01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:18.080]  If there is concern that someone is incompetent, there are other ways of making these determinations
[01:05:18.080 --> 01:05:19.080]  than a forced evaluation.
[01:05:19.080 --> 01:05:20.080]  Exactly.
[01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:21.080]  Well, yes, that's right.
[01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:22.080]  That's called evidence.
[01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:23.640]  That's what we were saying earlier.
[01:05:23.640 --> 01:05:29.320]  The psychological data from an exam is only one piece of evidence, and it might not even
[01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.240]  be the best piece of evidence.
[01:05:31.240 --> 01:05:32.480]  There might be a lot better evidence.
[01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.480]  The fact that somebody keeps setting their house on fire would be a hell of a lot better
[01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.880]  evidence than the results of a psych exam.
[01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:46.040]  I think it's pretty clear that if a psych exam is forced, it cannot be considered as
[01:05:46.040 --> 01:05:47.040]  best evidence.
[01:05:47.040 --> 01:05:52.320]  It's always in doubt as to the validity, and it certainly isn't the best evidence if you're
[01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:56.000]  talking about the reason you're asking for it is because somebody is a danger to self
[01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  or others.
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.440]  Let's bring forth all the evidence that made somebody think they were a danger to self
[01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:01.440]  or others.
[01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.040]  There's got to be some evidence to begin with before you would even ask them to take a psych
[01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:06.040]  exam.
[01:06:06.040 --> 01:06:07.040]  Let's see that evidence.
[01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:08.040]  Exactly.
[01:06:08.040 --> 01:06:09.400]  That's the problem with the courts.
[01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:11.680]  They just say, well, you disagreed with me.
[01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:13.000]  You didn't do what I wanted you to do.
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.000]  Exactly.
[01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.000]  You didn't cooperate.
[01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:21.720]  I want to say that the therefore is not a conclusion that you can draw from these facts.
[01:06:21.720 --> 01:06:26.840]  What are the real facts that you can use to draw these conclusions and not just that you're
[01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:27.840]  not cooperating?
[01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:28.840]  Right.
[01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:29.840]  Right.
[01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:38.920]  Basically, the premise of my presentation today is that there certainly is a use for
[01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:44.720]  psychological exams, but I don't think it ever should be used in a forced situation.
[01:06:44.720 --> 01:06:48.960]  I personally don't think people should be forced to do anything if they haven't already
[01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:52.720]  been convicted of something like a violent crime or something.
[01:06:52.720 --> 01:06:56.960]  Obviously, you can force to detain somebody in prison, but I don't think you can... If
[01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:01.160]  somebody hasn't violated somebody else's right to his life, liberty, or property, I don't
[01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:05.840]  think you should be able to force them to do anything, not just not take a psych exam,
[01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:06.840]  not do anything.
[01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:07.840]  Absolutely.
[01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:08.840]  Okay.
[01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:13.720]  Anyway, I just wanted to call in and make that point again because I might not have
[01:07:13.720 --> 01:07:14.960]  made it strong enough before.
[01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:15.960]  All right.
[01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.960]  Thank you, Bill.
[01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:17.960]  Okay.
[01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:24.480]  The bottom line is there has to be a trial with evidence presented, clear evidence that
[01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:31.960]  shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is a danger to themselves or others
[01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:36.360]  because they've already caused harm, they've already caused damage to themselves and others.
[01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:43.240]  If that's the case, there's going to be evidence things would have already happened like Bill
[01:07:43.240 --> 01:07:51.260]  said, set the house on fire 10 times already or whatever, so psychological exam has nothing
[01:07:51.260 --> 01:07:52.260]  to do with it.
[01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:57.320]  There has to be a trial, just like in a criminal trial.
[01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:01.400]  They don't make you testify against yourself.
[01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.000]  I think that's something we didn't really address.
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:17.560]  When they bring in the psychologist to bring in his opinion, do they do that in the trial
[01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.520]  at bar or do they convene a whole other court?
[01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:22.200]  They convene a whole other hearing.
[01:08:22.200 --> 01:08:23.200]  That's what Bill was saying.
[01:08:23.200 --> 01:08:25.040]  It's a whole separate trial.
[01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:27.200]  What I've seen is they're not doing that.
[01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:29.400]  Well, then we need to do something about that.
[01:08:29.400 --> 01:08:35.440]  They're just dragging in the psychologist in the trial that they're in and getting him
[01:08:35.440 --> 01:08:42.640]  to declare that this guy can't do anything to annoy the court, that we need to appoint
[01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:47.120]  him a counsel and make him sit over and shut up and we'll put tape on his mouth if we have
[01:08:47.120 --> 01:08:51.640]  to, so he won't be demanding any of his rights anymore.
[01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:53.680]  He's got a lot of gall to do that.
[01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:55.600]  He must be crazy if he comes and expects to be.
[01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:59.240]  Well, according to Bill, there has to be a whole separate trial.
[01:08:59.240 --> 01:09:01.360]  I would very much like to look at that.
[01:09:01.360 --> 01:09:05.920]  When you look up the statute on these sorts of things at the federal and the state level.
[01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:14.560]  We need to bring out the remedies and forcing the trial would be a real good remedy.
[01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:19.720]  The judge would not be quite so quick to order the psychological evaluation if he had to
[01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:24.960]  convene an entire trial to address the issue.
[01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:30.880]  I think they don't care whether the person's competent or not, it's just a terroristic
[01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:31.880]  tool.
[01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.560]  It's something to terrorize them and force them into the deal.
[01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:38.360]  In the case that I mentioned earlier, that's exactly what they're doing.
[01:09:38.360 --> 01:09:41.280]  They're just trying to put people away.
[01:09:41.280 --> 01:09:47.440]  They're trying to avoid having anybody object to them or having to put on an actual trial.
[01:09:47.440 --> 01:09:51.520]  Everything is about the deal and it works well.
[01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.400]  99.6 conviction rate.
[01:09:55.400 --> 01:10:00.720]  It's about to not work so well because people are getting hit to this and they can't make
[01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.080]  you sign anything.
[01:10:02.080 --> 01:10:08.520]  I remember we had a guest on a couple of years ago, Frank Kowalik.
[01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:10.880]  He wrote the book Iris Humbug.
[01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.000]  Now I'm not saying I would recommend doing what he did because he ended up in prison
[01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:24.040]  for a while, but when push came to shove, even the judge did not order him to sign the
[01:10:24.040 --> 01:10:26.080]  tax return.
[01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:29.380]  The court can't order you to sign anything.
[01:10:29.380 --> 01:10:36.120]  They ordered him to cooperate with the IRS, but they didn't order him to fill out the
[01:10:36.120 --> 01:10:38.920]  1040 and sign it.
[01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.120]  They can't make you sign anything.
[01:10:42.120 --> 01:10:43.120]  That's a contract.
[01:10:43.120 --> 01:10:47.160]  They can't make you sign it besides unilateral contracts or debt instruments anyway.
[01:10:47.160 --> 01:10:50.120]  They can't force you to create a debt instrument either.
[01:10:50.120 --> 01:10:52.520]  It goes to securities fraud even.
[01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:58.840]  They can't make you sign anything.
[01:10:58.840 --> 01:10:59.840]  They can try.
[01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:01.520]  They can try?
[01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:02.520]  We can resist.
[01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:03.520]  What are they going to do?
[01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.840]  Grab your hand and put the pen in it and move it for you?
[01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:07.840]  Well then it's not your signature.
[01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:14.520]  No, they're going to strip you naked, throw you in a cell, turn up the air conditioning.
[01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:15.520]  This is the kind of things they have to do.
[01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:20.920]  Okay, well if they're going to do that, then you're faced with they'll do that to you for
[01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:28.400]  the rest of your life forever or you'll have to endure that same treatment for a little
[01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:29.400]  while.
[01:11:29.400 --> 01:11:30.400]  Yeah, but that's...
[01:11:30.400 --> 01:11:31.400]  Okay?
[01:11:31.400 --> 01:11:32.400]  When they throw me in jail...
[01:11:32.400 --> 01:11:35.200]  So take your pick because if they declare you incompetent, it's over.
[01:11:35.200 --> 01:11:38.200]  When they throw me in jail, that's the way I figure.
[01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:39.800]  You have your fund now.
[01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:43.240]  I'll have my fund when I get out.
[01:11:43.240 --> 01:11:49.160]  Speaking of fund, I'm getting ready to fight some traffic tickets and I need Eddie over
[01:11:49.160 --> 01:11:56.240]  there to have all of my arguments in order so that I do everything perfect.
[01:11:56.240 --> 01:11:59.160]  Well, now I can't vouch for that.
[01:11:59.160 --> 01:12:00.800]  All I can do is make the argument.
[01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:05.080]  How you perform them is going to be totally up to you.
[01:12:05.080 --> 01:12:10.160]  You were talking earlier about how you were reworking some of the documents.
[01:12:10.160 --> 01:12:11.400]  Yes.
[01:12:11.400 --> 01:12:14.600]  I am basically going through and checking the wording.
[01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:19.920]  I'm actually preparing them for one of the other folks that listens in to the show, but
[01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.800]  at the same time, I'm making them where they'll be more beneficial.
[01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:29.800]  I've actually instituted things, especially in the prosecutor to show authority petition.
[01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:37.520]  I have actually entered that as a specific contest to violations of the constitution
[01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:39.360]  directly.
[01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:45.960]  So we're actually challenging that on constitutional grounds in the updated form of this motion.
[01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:48.480]  So that's going to be one of the fun things you get to argue.
[01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:49.480]  Good.
[01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:50.840]  I'm looking forward to it.
[01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:56.120]  Well, and speaking of judges trying to force people to sign things, my friend who's fighting
[01:12:56.120 --> 01:13:01.720]  a traffic ticket, it's at the point now the notice of appeal is in, and now there's a
[01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:04.120]  fight over the bond.
[01:13:04.120 --> 01:13:06.480]  They deny him constitutional bail.
[01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:08.800]  They deny him statutory bail.
[01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:16.280]  And as far as we can see, the way we read the law, the cash bond is an option.
[01:13:16.280 --> 01:13:20.600]  It's not something the judge can order, however, of course, they're not obeying the law.
[01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:26.760]  And so the judge says, no, you can't have your constitutional bail, but if you want
[01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:33.360]  to claim indigency, then we'll have a review of that situation and see if you can maybe
[01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:35.640]  get out of having to pay the cash bond.
[01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:43.960]  And so the judge ordered him to fill out and return this indigency paperwork.
[01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:51.800]  However, what it is, is it's a contract for a payment plan on a traffic ticket, okay?
[01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:56.560]  And they want to review all your finances and basically do a profit and loss statement
[01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:01.760]  for you, like they're a CPA or something, to determine what your payments are going
[01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:02.760]  to be.
[01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.400]  And I told my friend, don't sign it.
[01:14:05.400 --> 01:14:14.680]  And so what they did was he submitted a tax return to show what his income status is and
[01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:19.520]  to say, here, well, here you go, pal, I got zero income, I'm indigent.
[01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:21.600]  And the court doesn't want to accept that.
[01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:28.080]  And he told the court, I see no need for you guys to redo my profit and loss statement,
[01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:33.160]  you know, besides the fact that y'all aren't competent professionals to do such a thing
[01:14:33.160 --> 01:14:34.160]  anyway.
[01:14:34.160 --> 01:14:41.600]  And so a second time, the municipal court sent him the same paperwork and there's a
[01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:49.040]  little sticky note on it, not signed by anybody, I might add, that says, please sign and return
[01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:50.760]  so that we can process this.
[01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:54.440]  It's like, no, he's not going to sign it.
[01:14:54.440 --> 01:14:55.440]  We don't want it processed.
[01:14:55.440 --> 01:15:00.680]  Besides, you'd be creating a debt instrument anyway and they can't make you do that.
[01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.280]  It's forget its bill.
[01:15:02.280 --> 01:15:04.240]  So we'll see what the judge says.
[01:15:04.240 --> 01:15:10.160]  We'll see if the judge tries to order my friend to actually sign this contract.
[01:15:10.160 --> 01:15:11.800]  And let's see what happens then.
[01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:16.760]  Well, one of the arguments to make in that regard for anybody listening is going to be
[01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:25.760]  your right to remedy in the courts cannot be limited to the filling out of paperwork.
[01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:31.760]  They can't deny you a right because you won't complete paperwork.
[01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.920]  That's just stupid.
[01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.400]  Now that doesn't mean they won't try.
[01:15:36.400 --> 01:15:41.240]  But when they do, you need to be hammering them with as hard as you can with criminal
[01:15:41.240 --> 01:15:46.200]  complaints and a lawsuit for violation of constitutional rights.
[01:15:46.200 --> 01:15:50.720]  Nowhere does the Constitution say that you will be given this right only upon completion
[01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:54.880]  of Local Form 735-764B, you know?
[01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:00.480]  Yeah, well, and besides the fact that the form has nothing to do with his current action
[01:16:00.480 --> 01:16:01.480]  in court.
[01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:02.480]  They're trying to trick him.
[01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:06.120]  They're trying to trick him into signing a contract for payment plan on the traffic
[01:16:06.120 --> 01:16:07.120]  ticket.
[01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:08.600]  It's like, no, you guys don't get it.
[01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:09.600]  It's being appealed.
[01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:15.440]  They're not signing a contract for payment plan on the traffic ticket.
[01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:18.960]  I mean, this is ridiculous, man.
[01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.640]  I mean, these people are pathetic.
[01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:23.320]  They're absolutely pathetic.
[01:16:23.320 --> 01:16:27.760]  They're to the point of trying to trick people into signing contracts now because they really
[01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.680]  have no force of law over this sort of matter.
[01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:35.320]  All right, we've got Pat from Texas on the line.
[01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:36.320]  He's probably up on the tower.
[01:16:36.320 --> 01:16:37.320]  I was going to say, hang on, Pat.
[01:16:37.320 --> 01:16:38.320]  Hang on, Pat.
[01:16:38.320 --> 01:16:39.320]  We're going to take your call on the other side.
[01:16:39.320 --> 01:16:40.320]  And we met that literally.
[01:16:40.320 --> 01:16:41.320]  We'll be right back.
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[01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:21.880]  We've got Pat from Texas.
[01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:23.040]  Pat, thanks for calling in.
[01:18:23.040 --> 01:18:24.040]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:18:24.040 --> 01:18:25.040]  Oh, not too much.
[01:18:25.040 --> 01:18:26.040]  Never can you.
[01:18:26.040 --> 01:18:29.680]  Pat, are you there?
[01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.560]  Yeah, I'm here.
[01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.960]  You're kind of cutting out some, but go ahead.
[01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.600]  There's a connection out here.
[01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.520]  Go over all the towers.
[01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:47.520]  If they really want to put you in the signature of a social worker, and they can put you in
[01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:53.600]  the state funding or evaluate, they don't need to give you any test.
[01:18:53.600 --> 01:19:02.760]  They don't have to order it to... Within 48 to 72, a psychologist can sign you.
[01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:06.280]  Have you committed as being incompetent?
[01:19:06.280 --> 01:19:09.280]  They don't need anything else.
[01:19:09.280 --> 01:19:11.320]  I'm from Texas.
[01:19:11.320 --> 01:19:21.960]  I know that I battled this on my mom's behalf almost 10 years ago, 11 years ago now.
[01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:26.920]  She was picked up outside of her in Houston.
[01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:27.920]  She called the cops.
[01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:32.560]  I had to throw some trash away that went... Her door closed.
[01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:33.560]  She didn't have her keys.
[01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:34.560]  She called.
[01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:35.560]  I had a neighbor call.
[01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:36.560]  The cops came over.
[01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:50.400]  She was 29 years old, living by herself, shy, still, outgoing, and decided instead of opening
[01:19:50.400 --> 01:19:57.960]  up for her, he was going to take her to a facility in Houston.
[01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.800]  There was a hospital, the social worker hospital.
[01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.240]  All she wanted was her door open.
[01:20:03.240 --> 01:20:09.760]  She kept saying that, that's delusional to have her taken to the state facility there
[01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:11.840]  in Houston.
[01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:16.640]  It took me a week to get her out.
[01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:25.000]  I didn't go to court and know any judges, but we were real close to it, besides me walking
[01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:27.240]  through a couple of them.
[01:20:27.240 --> 01:20:29.200]  That was before I was billed chair.
[01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:33.000]  Well, I'm not sure what the laws are now.
[01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.880]  Bill is saying that there has to be a trial.
[01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:43.200]  I remember when I lived in New Hampshire, I ran into this situation with a friend of
[01:20:43.200 --> 01:20:49.120]  mine, a family member, and at the time, the state law in New Hampshire was that they could
[01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:53.560]  pick you up for evaluation and hold you for 48 hours.
[01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:59.440]  After that, they had to let you go absent of a trial with a court order.
[01:20:59.440 --> 01:21:02.400]  In the state of Texas, it's not changed.
[01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:05.560]  They are supposed to hold a competency hearing.
[01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.400]  They're supposed to notify the next day.
[01:21:08.400 --> 01:21:17.120]  There's a book out that was picked up in San Antonio in the last two years, across a facility
[01:21:17.120 --> 01:21:19.440]  in San Antonio.
[01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:21.880]  Look at Sunny Trail.
[01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:29.600]  They get six times the amount of money for a patient due for a prisoner.
[01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:41.600]  I don't want to tell anybody you have been deemed incompetent, period, if you say has
[01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:42.600]  not.
[01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.880]  All right, Pat, listen, you're kind of cutting out.
[01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.280]  We're having a hard time understanding what you're saying.
[01:21:48.280 --> 01:21:50.400]  Yeah, I'll figure it out.
[01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:54.480]  Okay, maybe, yeah, try to maybe get... I know it's rough out there.
[01:21:54.480 --> 01:21:55.800]  Have a good night.
[01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:56.800]  Okay, thanks.
[01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:57.800]  Thanks.
[01:21:57.800 --> 01:21:58.800]  Okay.
[01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:04.640]  Yeah, it's my understanding that they definitely do not do what they're required to by law
[01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:08.800]  pretty much almost 100% of the time.
[01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:16.320]  This whole issue is really frightening because all they have to do is grab you up and call
[01:22:16.320 --> 01:22:22.640]  you incompetent and everything you say in your defense makes you sound more incompetent.
[01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:26.480]  Well, like I said, we need to look up the specific statutes because I know for a fact
[01:22:26.480 --> 01:22:30.280]  when I lived in New Hampshire, I knew what the law was at the time because I was helping
[01:22:30.280 --> 01:22:36.920]  a friend deal with a family member and the law in New Hampshire at that time was that
[01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:44.500]  they could hold you for 48 hours on the word of a friend or family member or something
[01:22:44.500 --> 01:22:49.800]  like that or the police, but they could only hold you for 48 hours and that was it.
[01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:57.000]  They had to let you go after that absent a trial, a court trial to determine competency.
[01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:02.920]  So, I mean, Bill is saying... Bill works in this industry for years and years.
[01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:04.440]  He's saying there has to be a trial.
[01:23:04.440 --> 01:23:09.200]  Now whether they actually do it or not is a different story.
[01:23:09.200 --> 01:23:16.000]  Well, if you're competent, how can you raise an objection?
[01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.720]  Nobody has to listen.
[01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:20.600]  This is scary business.
[01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:25.960]  Well, if you don't have anybody on the outside to help you... I mean, look, this goes to
[01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:31.720] ... all right, ultimately the bad guys are just going to do whatever they want and you
[01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:32.720]  know what?
[01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:38.320]  If the bad guys really want to pick somebody up and disappear them forever into a black
[01:23:38.320 --> 01:23:43.440]  hole, well, I guess they can do it, okay, unless we can stop them, but that's not what
[01:23:43.440 --> 01:23:45.680] ... I don't think that's what the issue is here.
[01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:50.240]  I think the issue is what does the law say and what are the remedies?
[01:23:50.240 --> 01:23:54.760]  I mean, if you're all alone in this world and you have no friends and no family, well,
[01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:56.560]  then you know what?
[01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.680]  Whether you're young or old, the bad guys can disappear you and nobody would know and
[01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:04.640]  nobody would be able to help you because you're all alone and you don't know anybody anyway,
[01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.440]  but I don't think that that's the scenario that we're talking about here.
[01:24:09.440 --> 01:24:14.440]  I mean, I'm not sure... Like I said, we need to look at what the statute says, but I know
[01:24:14.440 --> 01:24:19.400]  that in New Hampshire it was 48 hours and they could not hold you longer than that without
[01:24:19.400 --> 01:24:20.400]  a trial.
[01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:21.400]  Okay.
[01:24:21.400 --> 01:24:22.400]  Let's go to Michael Anthony.
[01:24:22.400 --> 01:24:23.400]  No.
[01:24:23.400 --> 01:24:27.800]  Like I said, I'm sure they break the law all the time.
[01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:28.800]  Okay.
[01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.080]  Michael, thanks for calling in.
[01:24:31.080 --> 01:24:32.080]  What's on your mind?
[01:24:32.080 --> 01:24:33.080]  Yes.
[01:24:33.080 --> 01:24:35.920]  Thanks again for letting me call in again this evening.
[01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:36.920]  Okay.
[01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:41.800]  This competency hearing, that brings up a very interesting scenario.
[01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:50.840]  Can I bring one in to the family court without giving them jurisdiction on a competency hearing
[01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:54.240]  on my ex-wife as a plaintiff?
[01:24:54.240 --> 01:24:56.920]  I would be the plaintiff, right?
[01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:02.160]  Or does the court have to... I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do.
[01:25:02.160 --> 01:25:03.160]  What are you asking?
[01:25:03.160 --> 01:25:04.160]  Okay.
[01:25:04.160 --> 01:25:09.200]  She went up in front of that same psychologist that I had to go up in front.
[01:25:09.200 --> 01:25:12.880]  I mean, are you saying you want a court-ordered psych eval for someone else?
[01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:14.480]  Is that what you're trying to say?
[01:25:14.480 --> 01:25:15.480]  No.
[01:25:15.480 --> 01:25:17.040]  I don't want a psych eval.
[01:25:17.040 --> 01:25:19.360]  We were going to eliminate those, remember?
[01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:20.360]  How you were talking.
[01:25:20.360 --> 01:25:21.360]  Yeah.
[01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:27.600]  This competency hearing, I would like to get her up on the stand and bring up her past
[01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:36.800]  on how she has ruined her five children from a previous marriage and be able to substantiate
[01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:37.800]  that.
[01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:38.800]  Use that.
[01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.240]  So you're going to competency to raise children.
[01:25:42.240 --> 01:25:43.240]  Right.
[01:25:43.240 --> 01:25:49.840]  So that I can say, going after custody for my children because she's an unfit mother
[01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.840]  and nothing is being brought out.
[01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:55.800]  Can you show that she has caused harm to the children?
[01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:56.800]  Yes.
[01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.320]  I don't think that would go to competency exactly.
[01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:03.960]  It would go to unfit mother.
[01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:07.040]  I would say that's absolutely something you can bring.
[01:26:07.040 --> 01:26:08.040]  Yeah.
[01:26:08.040 --> 01:26:12.600]  In a family court, that would not be like declaring someone incompetent mentally.
[01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:13.600]  Right.
[01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:14.600]  Right.
[01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.960]  I mean, being an unfit parent doesn't mean that they're mentally incompetent.
[01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:21.560]  I mean, they could just be negligent or whatever.
[01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:28.120]  Well, the psychologist can deem her bipolar, so that doesn't help her situation much at
[01:26:28.120 --> 01:26:29.120]  all.
[01:26:29.120 --> 01:26:32.920]  Well, just because somebody has a mental disorder doesn't mean that they're completely incompetent
[01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:33.920]  either mentally.
[01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:38.200]  And then just because somebody has a mental disorder or is diagnosed with a mental disorder,
[01:26:38.200 --> 01:26:40.880]  that doesn't mean that they're unfit parents either.
[01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:48.080]  I mean, Bill was just saying somebody could score all kinds of pathologies on a test,
[01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:51.320]  but they could be a perfectly functional individual.
[01:26:51.320 --> 01:26:55.080]  It goes to how do they function in society and how do they function with their friends
[01:26:55.080 --> 01:26:58.920]  and family and do they have stable relationships and can they hold on to a job and these kinds
[01:26:58.920 --> 01:26:59.920]  of things.
[01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:04.160]  So just because somebody has a mental disorder doesn't mean they're mentally incompetent
[01:27:04.160 --> 01:27:06.000]  and it doesn't mean they're unfit parents either.
[01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.720]  I mean, if you're trying to get her declared an unfit mother, well then that's a family
[01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:14.840]  court issue and you need to show how she has harmed the children or been negligent towards
[01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:15.840]  the children.
[01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:20.000]  Yeah, I can do that and all those things that you just said that she's guilty of as well.
[01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:21.000]  Yeah.
[01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:25.320]  This thing of competency, just because somebody has a mental disorder doesn't mean they're
[01:27:25.320 --> 01:27:26.320]  totally incompetent.
[01:27:26.320 --> 01:27:31.920]  It reminds me of the story of a guy walking past an asylum and he hears a whole bunch
[01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:38.320]  of people in there hollering, 12, 12 and he's wondering what's going on and there's a little
[01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:42.200]  crack in the fence and he looked through the fence to see what was going on and somebody
[01:27:42.200 --> 01:27:47.440]  poked a stick through and stuck him in the eye and then everybody started hollering 13,
[01:27:47.440 --> 01:27:48.440]  13.
[01:27:48.440 --> 01:27:53.680]  I love that, that's great, that's great.
[01:27:53.680 --> 01:28:02.800]  Okay, on the criminal complaint, can, when there's crimes, felonies that have been committed
[01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:10.640]  by two people, when the criminal complaint goes in, can, could I put both defendants
[01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:15.000]  on the crimes that were committed against me?
[01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:16.000]  No.
[01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.200]  Can I put both defendants on the same complaint?
[01:28:18.200 --> 01:28:19.200]  No, no.
[01:28:19.200 --> 01:28:24.920]  Each, each criminal accusation is a, is a separate cause of action.
[01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:25.920]  Okay.
[01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:29.360]  It's not like civil where you can put them all together.
[01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:34.160]  Each crime is a separate crime and it has to be charged separately.
[01:28:34.160 --> 01:28:38.800]  And each defendant is separate even though they were in collusion together.
[01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:39.800]  Right.
[01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:46.520]  You can, what I generally do is I make up one statement of cause and then I put that
[01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:54.640]  on all of the complaints and then I make different criminal accusation for like, like when I
[01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.480]  do this through the courts, I've got a whole bunch of them.
[01:28:57.480 --> 01:29:01.320]  So I, when I get, when I get arrested and they run me through the system, I wind up
[01:29:01.320 --> 01:29:04.120]  with 15 or 20 people I'm filing complaints against.
[01:29:04.120 --> 01:29:10.100]  I have one statement of probable cause and I'll say, based on this, so and so committed
[01:29:10.100 --> 01:29:14.320]  such and such a crime and then I go to the next one and this other one committed this
[01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:17.280]  crime, but same statements of probable cause.
[01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:23.800]  I like it that way because when the magistrate reads it, he reads the same thing over and
[01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:24.800]  over again.
[01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:29.800]  And after two or three times, he kind of knows it.
[01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:34.360]  So it drills it in his mind whether he wants to or not.
[01:29:34.360 --> 01:29:35.360]  Right.
[01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:36.360]  Okay.
[01:29:36.360 --> 01:29:40.040]  Cause I have an appointment with a judge tomorrow and I want to get this thing together and
[01:29:40.040 --> 01:29:41.040]  talk to the judge.
[01:29:41.040 --> 01:29:44.960]  Good and hope the judge is mad duty as a magistrate.
[01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:45.960]  Right.
[01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:46.960]  Right.
[01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:51.280]  Due to he may not shield himself from, okay, we're about to go to break.
[01:29:51.280 --> 01:29:52.280]  Thank you.
[01:29:52.280 --> 01:29:53.280]  Have a good evening.
[01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:54.280]  Okay.
[01:29:54.280 --> 01:29:55.280]  Okay.
[01:29:55.280 --> 01:29:56.280]  Randy Kelton, Denver Stevens, Eddie Craig.
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[01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:13.680]  We're coming into the homestretch.
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[01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:21.680]  Folks, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
[01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:24.320]  I had a question for Eddie.
[01:31:24.320 --> 01:31:32.120]  I heard a talk show earlier and somebody was talking about how the transportation code,
[01:31:32.120 --> 01:31:35.600]  the traffic laws are unconstitutional.
[01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:41.280]  I wanted to pose this question because it's my understanding that the Texas transportation
[01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:48.400]  code, if you stick strictly to the definitions in the law itself, it only applies if someone
[01:31:48.400 --> 01:31:55.240]  is engaged in commerce on the roadways, i.e., transporting goods or passengers for hire
[01:31:55.240 --> 01:32:02.120]  sort of thing and that it does not infringe upon the right to travel at all, but rather
[01:32:02.120 --> 01:32:06.240]  it has to do with licensing commerce.
[01:32:06.240 --> 01:32:12.800]  It's my understanding that we don't have a right to engage in commerce on the public
[01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:13.800]  roadways.
[01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:20.240]  We have the right to travel, but if people are going to make money off of the public
[01:32:20.240 --> 01:32:26.680]  roadways that are paid for by my taxes, well then yeah, I think they should have to pay.
[01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:27.680]  All right.
[01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:33.520]  That goes to licensing a privilege and not licensing a right.
[01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:37.720]  As far as I can tell, it does not infringe upon the right to travel.
[01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:42.000]  It's not an unconstitutional law as far as the statute is concerned.
[01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:43.080]  Is that correct, Eddie?
[01:32:43.080 --> 01:32:44.800]  Could you please explain?
[01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:45.800]  Okay.
[01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:53.280]  Well, in order to explain it properly, you have to understand where jurisdiction lies.
[01:32:53.280 --> 01:33:01.360]  Basically speaking, any law has the opportunity to be unconstitutional, but the courts have
[01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:04.480]  set it up basically like this.
[01:33:04.480 --> 01:33:11.600]  Whenever you are looking at the constitutionality of a law, they try to find some way that the
[01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:19.720]  law can be defined or interpreted that prevents it from being declared unconstitutional.
[01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:25.680]  If there's any way for that interpretation to occur and not cause a problem, then the
[01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:30.200]  law will not be declared unconstitutional.
[01:33:30.200 --> 01:33:34.800]  The problem is not what the law says most of the time.
[01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:37.600]  The problem is the interpretation.
[01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:41.280]  What happens is they don't use the definitions that are in the law.
[01:33:41.280 --> 01:33:47.920]  They don't research what authority a particular legislator or congressional enactment has
[01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:54.280]  to create the proposed law and where their authority is limited to in the effect of that
[01:33:54.280 --> 01:33:56.480]  law.
[01:33:56.480 --> 01:34:02.600]  Those that are actually tasked with enforcing that law operate on presumption, not upon
[01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.880]  statutory fact.
[01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:14.080]  It is not the law itself 99% of the time that is unconstitutional, it is its manner of enforcement
[01:34:14.080 --> 01:34:21.520]  because its enforcement is not based upon the law, it is based upon somebody's perception
[01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:26.920]  or misunderstanding or misapplication of that law.
[01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.800]  That's exactly what the problem is with the state transportation codes or motor vehicle
[01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:35.200]  codes or whatever other kind of code they've got it named.
[01:34:35.200 --> 01:34:42.360]  The code is based entirely on Title 49 United States Code, no question about it.
[01:34:42.360 --> 01:34:46.840]  Up until the federal government decided to use that to regulate interstate commerce,
[01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:52.240]  there were no interstate traffic codes, there just weren't.
[01:34:52.240 --> 01:34:57.160]  Once it was enacted at the federal level and mandated to the states that you'll do it this
[01:34:57.160 --> 01:35:02.040]  way if you want us to pay for part of your roads, then the states adopted the federal
[01:35:02.040 --> 01:35:06.880]  statutes and they quickly came to realize that hey, we can make our own version of this
[01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:14.500]  within the state and then we can use it to regulate intrastate commerce instead of just
[01:35:14.500 --> 01:35:19.160]  the feds regulating the interstate commerce.
[01:35:19.160 --> 01:35:28.720]  The problem is that over time they tend to think that everybody is applicable to these
[01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:34.840]  statutes, we're all subject to them when in fact we're not because we are not engaging
[01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:41.560]  in the act for which the statute was originally intended and written.
[01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:48.760]  One thing about alteration of a statute, it does not occur by osmosis, it does not occur
[01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:56.280]  by intent, it occurs by the words that make it.
[01:35:56.280 --> 01:35:59.720]  What the words say is what the words mean.
[01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:08.400]  When the statute is so ambiguous or unclear, on its face that statute must be declared
[01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:10.800]  null and void.
[01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:17.720]  But what you see today instead is the courts coming up with all kinds of convoluted legal
[01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:26.360]  gymnastics to make an argument validating a statute that nobody in their right mind can
[01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:31.840]  pass around a group of people and every one of them read it to mean the same thing.
[01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:37.360]  Anytime you can do that with a statute, the statute is vague, it's ambiguous and it's
[01:36:37.360 --> 01:36:38.360]  null and void.
[01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:42.080]  I mean that's the whole problem with the income tax code.
[01:36:42.080 --> 01:36:48.920]  You can go to H&R Block, you can go to an IRS official, you can go to a tax attorney
[01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:56.160]  and then you can go to an accountant and every one of them will prepare your tax return differently
[01:36:56.160 --> 01:37:01.520]  and wind up with a completely different set of numbers for what you owe or what you don't.
[01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:08.440]  Something's wrong because everybody's getting something different out of what's written.
[01:37:08.440 --> 01:37:14.320]  The problem is I honestly believe that today that is absolutely intentional.
[01:37:14.320 --> 01:37:24.420]  The law is written to purposely be generic and confusing by not operating with specificity.
[01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:32.280]  It leaves the terms it uses vague enough that people assume they can be applied to things
[01:37:32.280 --> 01:37:35.960]  to which they were never meant to apply.
[01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.120]  So that's really what it is in a nutshell.
[01:37:38.120 --> 01:37:44.880]  No the statutes are not unconstitutional, they are simply being applied in an unconstitutional
[01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:45.880]  manner.
[01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:52.480]  That's pretty much what I thought.
[01:37:52.480 --> 01:37:57.040]  And I'm mad as hell I'm not going to take it anymore.
[01:37:57.040 --> 01:37:58.520]  That's been my theory for a while yet.
[01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:11.800]  So I'm ready to take on the city of Austin and become a litigist, professional litigant.
[01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:13.680]  See if I can make my money suing cities.
[01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:18.960]  Get them to give me a ticket so I can sue the crapola out of them.
[01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.080]  Yeah you'll become vexatious in no time.
[01:38:21.080 --> 01:38:23.720]  Yes sir, only if you lose.
[01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:27.640]  Hey Randy, you sound kind of far away, are you fading?
[01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:32.600]  He's sitting back contemplating, I recognize his posture, he's leaning back right now,
[01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:34.920]  arms back going, yeah that might work.
[01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:37.680]  I was leaning back deep in constipation.
[01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:40.680]  Thanks for sharing.
[01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:45.480]  That's okay, it'll all work out.
[01:38:45.480 --> 01:38:48.120]  Okay we have Mike from Texas.
[01:38:48.120 --> 01:38:51.720]  Yeah we have Mike from Texas.
[01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:55.560]  Mike thank you for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:58.680]  Well I have a little thing that's coming up.
[01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:04.480]  I have a traffic case that I have managed to get all the way up to the fifth court of
[01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:05.480]  appeals.
[01:39:05.480 --> 01:39:09.560]  Mike you sound kind of muffled too, are you on a speaker phone or something?
[01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:10.560]  No is this any better?
[01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:11.800]  Yes it's better thanks.
[01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:21.040]  I'm sorry, anyway I've got a case coming up on June 22nd at fifth court of appeals.
[01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:29.560]  Started out as a no seat belt but the city prosecutor had no anti-bribery statement or
[01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:39.040]  oath of office and he was also the complainant and the prosecutor, the affiant on the complainant
[01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:42.840]  and the prosecutor, both of which are against Texas law.
[01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:46.280]  Like just every law.
[01:39:46.280 --> 01:39:55.400]  Anyway as usual municipal court judge said he didn't care and in fact I even tried to
[01:39:55.400 --> 01:40:03.240]  push him into contempt by calling him a corrupt and running a kangaroo court, an open court
[01:40:03.240 --> 01:40:07.240]  and he just blew it off, he didn't care, he'd heard it probably a million times before and
[01:40:07.240 --> 01:40:10.240]  knew it was the truth.
[01:40:10.240 --> 01:40:18.040]  He brought it to county court and had a little bit fairer judge and he actually stopped court
[01:40:18.040 --> 01:40:22.080]  two or three times to go look up the law just to be sure.
[01:40:22.080 --> 01:40:27.920]  And anyway in the end he basically weaseled out and said I don't really have the authority
[01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:37.360]  to rule on this and punted and so now it's up before court of appeals and I had requested
[01:40:37.360 --> 01:40:44.240]  oral arguments but they basically went back and nope you're not getting that and the only
[01:40:44.240 --> 01:40:53.760]  reason why is because of two reasons, either you're going over already settled law and
[01:40:53.760 --> 01:41:02.600]  no additional arguments are necessary or your arguments are frivolous and I'm afraid I know
[01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:13.240]  which way that one's going but has anybody ever gotten up at that level before and does
[01:41:13.240 --> 01:41:16.080]  anybody have any suggestions or?
[01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:21.400]  We can tell you exactly what the fifth circuit's going to do.
[01:41:21.400 --> 01:41:24.400]  I'm probably pretty sure but go ahead.
[01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:33.000]  They're going to do the same things they do in approximately 100% of all pro se filings.
[01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:36.560]  They're going to rule against you out of hand, this is what they do.
[01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:37.560]  Yeah.
[01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:40.760]  They have a long history of doing this.
[01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:42.200]  Right.
[01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:49.280]  And I have someone who's putting together a lawsuit against the judges in Dallas County
[01:41:49.280 --> 01:42:01.720]  on this issue, he's putting together a private attorney general suit and to sue for the judges
[01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:05.880]  ruling against pro se clients 100% of the time.
[01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:06.880]  Okay.
[01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:11.680]  So we may actually get some traction out of that but good chance they'll rule against
[01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:14.480]  him 100% of the time though.
[01:42:14.480 --> 01:42:25.880]  Yeah, even though we all know all of the multitude of cases and statutes that say everything
[01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:27.360]  they did was illegal.
[01:42:27.360 --> 01:42:28.360]  Okay.
[01:42:28.360 --> 01:42:32.600]  Well, question, you said this was originally a seatbelt ticket, right?
[01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:33.600]  Right.
[01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:36.640]  And you've read the statute on seatbelt tickets, right?
[01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:40.120]  Yeah, but I've never argued it on the merits.
[01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:45.200]  I started it off whenever everything was being run illegally in the first place.
[01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:46.200]  Right.
[01:42:46.200 --> 01:42:50.920]  Well, you were correct in the city attorney having an issue but you didn't argue all of
[01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:51.920]  them.
[01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:52.920]  Okay.
[01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:58.560]  The fact is that the city attorney may not prosecute in the name of the state at all.
[01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:01.440]  Whether they have an oath of office or not is irrelevant.
[01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:02.440]  Okay.
[01:43:02.440 --> 01:43:03.440]  Okay.
[01:43:03.440 --> 01:43:07.040]  It's one of the issues you wish to point out that they don't have those things but even
[01:43:07.040 --> 01:43:12.400]  if they did have them, they are forbidden under the Texas Constitution to act as an
[01:43:12.400 --> 01:43:14.680]  attorney for the state.
[01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:20.600]  They're forbidden in Texas law and other parts of Texas law from acting as an attorney for
[01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:21.600]  the state.
[01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:28.160]  Nowhere in the Code of Criminal Procedure is a city attorney ever addressed as an attorney
[01:43:28.160 --> 01:43:29.600]  for the state.
[01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:30.600]  Okay.
[01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:32.800]  All right.
[01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:37.800]  And even if they were, it would still violate Article 5, Section 21 of the Texas Constitution.
[01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:38.800]  Okay.
[01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:42.640]  Well, I'd like to get in touch with whoever it is that's putting that suit together so
[01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:44.800]  I can be in on part of it.
[01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:50.880]  Send me an email, Randy at ruleoflawradio.com and I'll get it to Kent.
[01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:51.880]  You got it, Randy.
[01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:52.880]  Thank you.
[01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:53.880]  Okey-doke.
[01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:54.880]  We'll be right back on the other side.
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[01:45:37.240 --> 01:45:39.720]  Folks, we are back.
[01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:41.720]  It seems like Randy's got a plan of attack.
[01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:47.280]  The three tickets that you reissued, what now, Randy, driver's license, no insurance, and
[01:45:47.280 --> 01:45:48.280]  registration?
[01:45:48.280 --> 01:45:49.280]  Yes.
[01:45:49.280 --> 01:45:50.280]  Okay.
[01:45:50.280 --> 01:45:56.760]  You folks have all heard me give the dissertation on the driver's license and exactly how you
[01:45:56.760 --> 01:46:03.320]  tear apart the specifics of Chapter 521 regarding the license, of which there are only three
[01:46:03.320 --> 01:46:09.760]  possible things that constitute a driver's license, and how once you prove that none
[01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:16.560]  of those three things can apply to you, neither can the other things that they require, insurance,
[01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:22.240]  registration, or any of that, because you can't register the vehicles without the license.
[01:46:22.240 --> 01:46:25.840]  You can't get the insurance without the license.
[01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:31.200]  Part of the strategy that I believe you should be working toward, Randy, is learn the driver's
[01:46:31.200 --> 01:46:41.000]  license argument, which of course we've got, and then we also have all the pretrial courses
[01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:46.040]  of action, which is the city attorney can't prosecute, and so on and so forth, motion
[01:46:46.040 --> 01:46:48.840]  for a fair and impartial trial, and all that.
[01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:54.000]  But if we do actually wind up going to merits, then we want to argue the three different
[01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:58.520]  things in the driver's license, the temporary license, the learner's permit, and the occupational
[01:46:58.520 --> 01:46:59.520]  license.
[01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:02.920]  Three is the officer saying you're required to have.
[01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:08.080]  I would also highly recommend that you visit several insurance agencies and get them, or
[01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:14.800]  call them, and get them to fax you something in writing stating that you cannot get an
[01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:21.040]  insurance policy with their company without a valid driver's license.
[01:47:21.040 --> 01:47:25.240]  That'll prove right there that insurance and driver's licenses are tied together at the
[01:47:25.240 --> 01:47:31.520]  hip because if you're not required to have the license, and a license is required to
[01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:35.960]  get insurance, then you cannot be required to get insurance because you're not required
[01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:38.820]  to have the license.
[01:47:38.820 --> 01:47:40.520]  Registration works pretty much the same way.
[01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:46.600]  You cannot get registration except on a motor vehicle, and you can't get the registration
[01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:52.740]  without insurance for a motor vehicle, which once again ties you right back to the necessity
[01:47:52.740 --> 01:47:56.000]  of having the driver's license.
[01:47:56.000 --> 01:48:03.240]  The argument being that if all of these things apply to a motor vehicle, and the license
[01:48:03.240 --> 01:48:10.480]  is a requirement that joins all of these things together, the license is in of itself commercial
[01:48:10.480 --> 01:48:16.680]  in nature, then the thing which you are doing with the license that allows you to operate
[01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:23.560]  the thing in conjunction with the license must logically also be attached to that commercial
[01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:24.560]  activity.
[01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:30.400]  In other words, if you have to have a commercial license to operate a motor vehicle, then that
[01:48:30.400 --> 01:48:35.680]  motor vehicle must be being used in something that is in conjunction with the necessity
[01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:38.440]  of the commercial license.
[01:48:38.440 --> 01:48:40.600]  You can't separate the two.
[01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:47.080]  Yeah, you've got to have a commercial license, but no, it's good for only things that aren't
[01:48:47.080 --> 01:48:48.280]  in commerce.
[01:48:48.280 --> 01:48:51.560]  That wouldn't make any sense.
[01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:54.120]  They have to be tied together in that regard.
[01:48:54.120 --> 01:48:55.680]  One depends upon the other.
[01:48:55.680 --> 01:49:00.680]  Now, if anybody's got fault with that argument, please explain it to me because I can't see
[01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.320]  how you can make the distinction and get away with it.
[01:49:03.320 --> 01:49:10.520]  Yes, you can say that that commercial license is valid for non-commercial purposes.
[01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:16.080]  Sure, you can say that, but the difference here is it's not a license for the operation
[01:49:16.080 --> 01:49:17.960]  of a private automobile.
[01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:23.880]  It's a license specifically for the operation of a motor vehicle, which we also know in
[01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:32.200]  Texas law is in Chapter 521 and 522, and they are specifically there for the purposes of
[01:49:32.200 --> 01:49:33.800]  a commercial driver's license.
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:36.440]  What was you going to say, Randy?
[01:49:36.440 --> 01:49:44.760]  The Department of Public Safety does define it was a Type F license that is for private
[01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:47.080]  operator.
[01:49:47.080 --> 01:49:49.240]  They just don't issue any.
[01:49:49.240 --> 01:49:55.920]  Well, the other thing is, is Chapter 522 of the Transportation Code specifically states
[01:49:55.920 --> 01:50:02.600]  that the department is only authorized to issue Class A, B, and C commercial driver's
[01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:03.600]  licenses.
[01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:08.040]  That's the only kind they can issue.
[01:50:08.040 --> 01:50:10.880]  Nothing in there says they can issue a private license.
[01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:11.880]  Nothing.
[01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:16.560]  So, while they have one defined, they're not authorized to issue it.
[01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:17.560]  Exactly.
[01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:23.280]  Then you also go and look at Rule 1.1 under Title 37 of the Administrative Code, and it
[01:50:23.280 --> 01:50:29.080]  specifically says what programs the Department of Public Safety is authorized to supervise
[01:50:29.080 --> 01:50:35.760]  and regulate, one of which is the driver's license program, and then you also look in
[01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:41.840]  that section where it specifically says that the mission of the Department of Public Safety
[01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:50.360]  is the supervision of traffic on rural highways and the supervision and regulation, which
[01:50:50.360 --> 01:50:58.040]  means all the things we're talking about are commercial and for hire traffic.
[01:50:58.040 --> 01:50:59.040]  Okay.
[01:50:59.040 --> 01:51:04.120]  How do I bring this to a municipal police force?
[01:51:04.120 --> 01:51:17.600]  They're standing in the place of the DPS to regulate commerce or commercial traffic.
[01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:20.120]  How do I make that nexus?
[01:51:20.120 --> 01:51:26.840]  There are three sections you can read to help make that a collective idea that you can see
[01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:29.160]  what everybody can and can't do.
[01:51:29.160 --> 01:51:33.480]  Government Code Chapter 411 deals specifically with the Department of Public Safety.
[01:51:33.480 --> 01:51:38.840]  Government Code Chapter 422 deals specifically with local law enforcement, and Administrative
[01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:49.260]  Code Title 37, Rule 4.13 specifically states exactly how training is given and authority
[01:51:49.260 --> 01:51:54.640]  allocated or delegated, rather, to local law enforcement from the Department of Public
[01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:56.840]  Safety.
[01:51:56.840 --> 01:52:04.880]  There is no direct allocation of authority to enforce traffic laws in Texas to local
[01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:11.800]  law enforcement because it says everything about the Department or the Transportation
[01:52:11.800 --> 01:52:17.240]  Code is under the authority of the Department of Public Safety, and if it's under the authority
[01:52:17.240 --> 01:52:22.360]  of the Department of Public Safety, then they have to delegate it for somebody else to get
[01:52:22.360 --> 01:52:26.040]  it.
[01:52:26.040 --> 01:52:32.880]  And that's where Chapter 422 of the Government Code explains how that's going to work.
[01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:39.200]  But 4.13 of Title 37 in the Administrative Code says how the Department of Public Safety
[01:52:39.200 --> 01:52:45.780]  allocates that specific authority to local law enforcement and what criteria that local
[01:52:45.780 --> 01:52:52.960]  law enforcement officer or agency in and of themselves must have in order to comply.
[01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:56.480]  Now someone did send me a very interesting email, Randy.
[01:52:56.480 --> 01:53:01.400]  They took a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Public Safety wanting
[01:53:01.400 --> 01:53:09.800]  to know exactly what municipalities and counties in Texas are in compliance with Rule 4.13
[01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:13.160]  of the Administrative Code.
[01:53:13.160 --> 01:53:19.200]  There are hardly any in this Excel spreadsheet the Department of Public Safety sent back.
[01:53:19.200 --> 01:53:21.000]  Can I get a copy of that?
[01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  Most certainly.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:25.160]  Oh, is City of Austin in it?
[01:53:25.160 --> 01:53:30.160]  Yes, City of Austin Police Department is in it.
[01:53:30.160 --> 01:53:31.760]  Okay.
[01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:37.520]  But the fact that they're in it shows that they know by default their activity is based
[01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:42.280]  on commercial activity, not on private.
[01:53:42.280 --> 01:53:44.400]  Okay.
[01:53:44.400 --> 01:53:49.040]  Because 4.13 specifically says its entire purpose is the regulation of commercial motor
[01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:50.040]  vehicles.
[01:53:50.040 --> 01:53:51.040]  Okay.
[01:53:51.040 --> 01:54:05.160]  I need to work out the proof of facts on this issue, the questions I need to ask to establish
[01:54:05.160 --> 01:54:08.400]  the facts that I need.
[01:54:08.400 --> 01:54:09.400]  Okay.
[01:54:09.400 --> 01:54:16.800]  Well, that we can do, but in the meantime, those are the things that have to be addressed
[01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:19.800]  and the sections we can look at to make the argument.
[01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:24.360]  So folks here in Texas, those are the sections you want to study first and foremost.
[01:54:24.360 --> 01:54:30.800]  Again, Chapter 411 Government Code talks all about Department of Public Safety, and Chapter
[01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:36.760]  422 Government Code talks all about local law enforcement, and all of that ties back
[01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:40.600]  into Texas Administrative Code.
[01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:50.040]  You'll also find that Government Code Chapter 102 specifically shows that law enforcement
[01:54:50.040 --> 01:54:53.760]  in Texas is under the executive branch of government.
[01:54:53.760 --> 01:55:01.400]  But nowhere in that chapter could I find anything relating to the sheriff, because as we know,
[01:55:01.400 --> 01:55:06.680]  the sheriff is not created in Texas under the executive branch.
[01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:11.000]  They're created under the judicial branch.
[01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.360]  So they are not law enforcement.
[01:55:14.360 --> 01:55:18.160]  They can't be law enforcement.
[01:55:18.160 --> 01:55:24.600]  So that's going to be an interesting issue to argue when it comes time to talk to the
[01:55:24.600 --> 01:55:32.640]  legislature and to the court over how can a judicial officer, once again, be enforcing
[01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:35.120]  law using executive power.
[01:55:35.120 --> 01:55:38.680]  That's the division of powers problem under Article 2.
[01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:47.440]  And how does the municipal police department come into existence and gain authority?
[01:55:47.440 --> 01:55:48.480]  Exactly.
[01:55:48.480 --> 01:55:54.000]  There is no law enforcement agency of any kind listed in the Texas Constitution except
[01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:58.520]  for the offices of sheriff, deputy sheriff, and constable.
[01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:04.200]  And the only other mention of law enforcement in the Constitution deals with the facilities
[01:56:04.200 --> 01:56:06.360]  of said offices.
[01:56:06.360 --> 01:56:15.880]  There is no, the word police, the term police power, neither exists in the Texas Constitution.
[01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:22.720]  There is nothing in Article 16, which is the general provisions of the Texas Constitution,
[01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:30.720]  that speaks to corporations such as municipalities creating and managing their own private army
[01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.520]  in the form of a municipal police department.
[01:56:34.520 --> 01:56:37.840]  Yet that's what's happened.
[01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:42.200]  Municipalities through their charter, now get this, through a corporate charter are
[01:56:42.200 --> 01:56:44.480]  creating police forces.
[01:56:44.480 --> 01:56:52.560]  And then the corporation is using those private police forces against the public.
[01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:54.440]  Now there's something wrong here.
[01:56:54.440 --> 01:56:57.160]  Without constitutional authority.
[01:56:57.160 --> 01:57:06.000]  So the Constitution did not grant the legislature the authority to create these policing agencies
[01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:10.760]  and the legislature cannot delegate an authority it does not have.
[01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:12.000]  That is correct.
[01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:15.880]  And there is, in fact, no authority in the Constitution for the Department of Public
[01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:21.400]  Safety or the Texas Rangers, for that matter.
[01:57:21.400 --> 01:57:22.400]  That's right.
[01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:24.400]  There are sheriffs and constables.
[01:57:24.400 --> 01:57:25.400]  And deputy sheriffs.
[01:57:25.400 --> 01:57:30.000]  Well, sheriff, yeah, he's under the sheriff, yeah.
[01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:31.000]  So that's it.
[01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:32.000]  Yeah, that's it.
[01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:36.880]  So constitutionally speaking, they're in a world of hurt.
[01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:42.920]  But I can already play out in my mind exactly what the arguments are the courts are going
[01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:44.360]  to make in regard to this.
[01:57:44.360 --> 01:57:48.120]  Oh, well, that's frivolous, oh, that doesn't matter, oh, you can't read it that way, oh,
[01:57:48.120 --> 01:57:50.280]  it's got to mean this, it's got to mean that.
[01:57:50.280 --> 01:57:55.360]  Which just proves once again what a bunch of criminals we have sitting in these courts.
[01:57:55.360 --> 01:58:01.120]  Well, that's the tact I intend to take.
[01:58:01.120 --> 01:58:08.080]  When I did this in Temple and told them that the court was the real criminal and I was
[01:58:08.080 --> 01:58:14.480]  going to demonstrate it, every potential juror after the juror was picked, the whole panel
[01:58:14.480 --> 01:58:17.680]  stayed to watch the trial.
[01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:20.400]  I'm going to hope I can get the same thing this time.
[01:58:20.400 --> 01:58:22.400]  Yeah, you and me both.
[01:58:22.400 --> 01:58:29.040]  Okay, looks like it's about out of time again.
[01:58:29.040 --> 01:58:31.280]  Thanks for joining us tonight, folks.
[01:58:31.280 --> 01:58:37.120]  We'll be back Monday night, the rule of law with Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig and Deborah
[01:58:37.120 --> 01:58:38.120]  Stevens.
[01:58:38.120 --> 01:58:39.120]  Good night.
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