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[00:00.000 --> 00:04.400]  This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet.
[00:04.400 --> 00:11.800]  Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has allegedly agreed to allow 40,000 NATO troops into a future Palestinian state.
[00:11.800 --> 00:20.000]  This huge military presence would be a means of guaranteeing Palestine remained demilitarized after the end of the Israeli occupation.
[00:20.000 --> 00:27.800]  Abbas is said to have insisted NATO be charged with protecting the future state from future Israeli invasions.
[00:27.800 --> 00:37.200]  The House of Representatives approved almost unanimously to provide Israel with an extra $205 million to pay for its Iron Dome missile defense system.
[00:37.200 --> 00:45.000]  The money is in addition to the $3 billion in military aid the U.S. sends to Israel annually.
[00:45.000 --> 00:50.800]  Raising Taliban attacks this week demonstrated their power to strike at foreign forces in Afghanistan.
[00:50.800 --> 00:59.400]  The U.S. military is studying whether Taliban efforts to reach outside their home base are part of a new campaign to target NATO forces,
[00:59.400 --> 01:04.600]  foreign diplomats, contractors and Afghan government officials.
[01:04.600 --> 01:10.200]  In Britain, the extradition of hacker Gary McKinnon, who broke into the Pentagon's computer network,
[01:10.200 --> 01:15.600]  was put on hold Thursday after intervention from UK Home Secretary Theresa May.
[01:15.600 --> 01:24.800]  May is looking at medical evidence to determine whether McKinnon, who has Asperger's Syndrome and said to be suicidal, is fit to be extradited to the U.S.
[01:24.800 --> 01:27.400]  He has admitted hacking into Pentagon files.
[01:27.400 --> 01:35.600]  If convicted, he could face 60 years in jail, but the review by May opens the possibility of prosecution in the UK.
[01:35.600 --> 01:41.600]  Alan Johnson, the former Home Secretary, had refused to prevent McKinnon being sent for trial in the U.S.
[01:41.600 --> 01:47.400]  The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats were sympathetic to McKinnon's case when they were in opposition,
[01:47.400 --> 01:51.200]  and the Tories said they would change the law if they came to power.
[01:51.200 --> 01:56.800]  McKinnon, who admitted breaking into secret military computers, said he was looking for evidence of UFOs.
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[02:01.400 --> 02:11.000]  Legal experts say BP's estimate that only 5,000 barrels of oil a day are escaping from its oil well could save the company millions of dollars in damages.
[02:11.000 --> 02:19.200]  A month after the well exploded, neither BP nor the federal government has tried to measure the true amount of crude gushing into the water.
[02:19.200 --> 02:26.600]  BP and the Obama administration have said they don't want to take the measurements for fear of interfering with efforts to stop the leaks.
[02:26.600 --> 02:32.400]  Legal experts say not having a credible estimate of the leak's size works to BP's advantage.
[02:32.400 --> 02:42.400]  Marilyn Hyman, a former Clinton administration Interior Department official, said, quote, any company wouldn't have an interest in having this kind of measurement if they can help it.
[02:42.400 --> 02:54.800]  In congressional testimony Wednesday, an engineering professor from Purdue University said he estimated the well was spewing 95,000 barrels of oil a day, 20 times BP's estimate.
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[03:58.600 --> 04:04.200]  Whatever is good for the gander is good for the goose.
[04:04.200 --> 04:08.800]  I'm sorry, we're having a little off-air humor here.
[04:08.800 --> 04:11.800]  And I just got to bring it on the air.
[04:11.800 --> 04:16.400]  I don't know how it got started, but rhetorical questions back and forth.
[04:16.400 --> 04:23.200]  And it ended up that, you know, like if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
[04:23.200 --> 04:30.400]  And I said, if a woman's not there to disagree with a man, is he still wrong?
[04:30.400 --> 04:35.200]  And Randy said, oh, I feel so disparaged.
[04:35.200 --> 04:36.200]  Anyway.
[04:36.200 --> 04:40.800]  Tell me, us guys were so mistreated.
[04:40.800 --> 04:42.000]  So mistreated.
[04:42.000 --> 04:44.200]  And we feel so sorry for us.
[04:44.200 --> 04:45.400]  So sorry.
[04:45.400 --> 04:48.400]  But then we have to, because nobody else will.
[04:48.400 --> 04:48.800]  Okay.
[04:48.800 --> 04:51.600]  But that's okay, because us guys are good at it.
[04:51.600 --> 04:52.600]  Okay.
[04:52.600 --> 05:01.200]  Well, while we're on the topic of law here for a minute, there is one thing I'd like to bring up while I was doing some more research today that I think you'd find interesting, Randy.
[05:01.200 --> 05:16.200]  Everybody after who has the seminar material knows that Subtitle C, Rules of the Road, Texas Transportation Code, is where all the hub-a-bub comes from regarding the right of an officer to arrest and all this for a traffic offense.
[05:16.200 --> 05:21.200]  Well, Subtitle C begins in Section 541.001.
[05:21.200 --> 05:24.000]  That's where the subtitle starts at sections.
[05:24.000 --> 05:28.000]  There's a definition here, and I want you to pay close attention to this.
[05:28.000 --> 05:39.000]  Owner, and this specifically says that this is definition, and it says persons in this subtitle, and then it gives you a list of definitions of persons.
[05:39.000 --> 05:52.000]  The number two is owner, means as used in reference to a vehicle, a person who has a property interest in or title to a vehicle.
[05:52.000 --> 06:07.000]  The term A, includes a person entitled to use and possess a vehicle subject to a security interest, and B, excludes a lien holder, unless C, whose lease is not intended as security.
[06:07.000 --> 06:19.000]  Now, that's the only thing in the definition of owner, is those two things, a person, and this is the definition of security interest.
[06:19.000 --> 06:32.000]  This is out of the Business and Commerce Code of Texas, specifically Title I Uniform Commercial Code, Chapter I General Provisions, Subchapter A General Provisions.
[06:32.000 --> 06:47.000]  And this is the only place that this definition is found, and it is number 35 in Section 1.201 General Definitions.
[06:47.000 --> 06:58.000]  Security interest means an interest in personal property or fixtures which secures payment or performance of an obligation.
[06:58.000 --> 07:12.000]  Security interest includes any interest of a co-signer and a buyer of accounts, a chattel paper or payment intangible, or a promissory note in a transaction that is subject to Chapter IX.
[07:12.000 --> 07:29.000]  Security interest does not include the special property interest of a buyer of goods or the identification of those goods to a contract for sale under Section 2.401, but a buyer may also acquire a security interest by complying with Chapter IX.
[07:29.000 --> 07:38.000]  Now, that's about halfway through that definition, and I'm not going into the rest of it because it does not change as to what it refers to.
[07:38.000 --> 07:58.000]  As far as Subtitle C rules of the road are concerned, according to what I'm reading here, an owner of a motor vehicle is specifically restricted to the one that has a security interest of this type in that vehicle.
[07:58.000 --> 08:13.000]  And if you'll notice, the security interest involves either financing it or it involves using it for some income-producing business.
[08:13.000 --> 08:29.000]  So I just thought I'd throw that out there, that right here, owner, as it's used in all of Subtitle C, relates to commerce.
[08:29.000 --> 08:32.000]  Wow, I killed everything.
[08:32.000 --> 08:37.000]  So if you're not in commerce, can you not own?
[08:37.000 --> 08:43.000]  No, you can own. You just don't meet this particular subtitle's definition of owner.
[08:43.000 --> 08:52.000]  Therefore, you cannot possibly be operating or using a motor vehicle as an owner.
[08:52.000 --> 09:09.000]  And a lot of these statutes say if an owner allows the use of an automobile or a motor vehicle, I'm sorry, in such-and-such manner or in such-and-such a way without proper registration or without proper this or proper that, then that owner is liable under this statute.
[09:09.000 --> 09:11.000]  That's what most of them come down to.
[09:11.000 --> 09:15.000]  It's either an owner or a person or something similar.
[09:15.000 --> 09:25.000]  So the term owner then would only apply if the owner has the piece of equipment used in commerce.
[09:25.000 --> 09:29.000]  Exactly. Let's take, for instance, trucking companies.
[09:29.000 --> 09:35.000]  They own several motor vehicles, all used for the production and purpose of commerce.
[09:35.000 --> 09:41.000]  And the owner is the company, not any one individual but the company.
[09:41.000 --> 09:49.000]  And according to this, that would be who meets the definition of this.
[09:49.000 --> 09:50.000]  So interesting.
[09:50.000 --> 09:57.000]  I'm going to need to assume I'm going to be going to court for some tickets.
[09:57.000 --> 10:03.000]  And I'm going to have an immense amount of fun with them.
[10:03.000 --> 10:04.000]  Let's do that.
[10:04.000 --> 10:08.000]  Deborah, tell them we've got a couple of callers, so let's go ahead and pick those up.
[10:08.000 --> 10:09.000]  We've got some callers.
[10:09.000 --> 10:11.000]  Dan Connecticut and Danny in Texas.
[10:11.000 --> 10:14.000]  I'm going to take Dan first.
[10:14.000 --> 10:15.000]  Hey, Dan.
[10:15.000 --> 10:16.000]  Thanks for calling in.
[10:16.000 --> 10:18.000]  What's on your mind?
[10:18.000 --> 10:19.000]  Nothing much.
[10:19.000 --> 10:20.000]  Interesting discussion.
[10:20.000 --> 10:21.000]  Just a side note.
[10:21.000 --> 10:22.000]  Bear with my voice.
[10:22.000 --> 10:25.000]  I'm getting over a nasty sinus infection.
[10:25.000 --> 10:31.000]  Thank God it's going away and the flu just out of my lungs.
[10:31.000 --> 10:33.000]  It makes life easier to, you know, live like that.
[10:33.000 --> 10:34.000]  Breathe?
[10:34.000 --> 10:37.000]  Yeah, generally.
[10:37.000 --> 10:40.000]  I want to thank you guys for the brain candy, first of all.
[10:40.000 --> 10:44.000]  I don't get that nearly enough.
[10:44.000 --> 10:49.000]  As far as a lot of the points that you guys were touching on, the free market thing, I think,
[10:49.000 --> 10:57.000]  and I run into this running for office, we've really lost the concept of what a free market is, I think.
[10:57.000 --> 11:02.000]  And we have to bear in mind, you know, that the government's only function,
[11:02.000 --> 11:07.000]  the only function of government, at least in this country, is to protect rights,
[11:07.000 --> 11:11.000]  a right being a power, faculty, or ability inherent to ownership and incident upon another.
[11:11.000 --> 11:14.000]  Thank you, Michael Batnarek.
[11:14.000 --> 11:15.000]  I mean, I have to be honest.
[11:15.000 --> 11:21.000]  It's his definition, and it makes the most sense, so I've adopted it.
[11:21.000 --> 11:23.000]  But I think the problem we're running into with free market,
[11:23.000 --> 11:26.000]  and I think that was one of the final points you guys were touching on,
[11:26.000 --> 11:33.000]  is that a free market isn't free unless there's some kind of mechanism to prevent, you know,
[11:33.000 --> 11:39.000]  not necessarily, you know, prevent, but to, you know, correct the imbalance created by fraud,
[11:39.000 --> 11:41.000]  you know, theft, and deception.
[11:41.000 --> 11:45.000]  I mean, and that's it, you know, and that's what government's there for.
[11:45.000 --> 11:50.000]  And I think if we can keep government to that role, we will have a free market.
[11:50.000 --> 11:52.000]  But unfortunately, we don't.
[11:52.000 --> 11:56.000]  Government just kind of got crazy, and it went well beyond that.
[11:56.000 --> 12:02.000]  So essentially, the guys that, you know, made all the money for the last 90 years,
[12:02.000 --> 12:09.000]  their wealth is in fact predicated upon their ability to go in and hijack government.
[12:09.000 --> 12:11.000]  Well, that also is true.
[12:11.000 --> 12:12.000]  Fascism.
[12:12.000 --> 12:17.000]  And just so everyone out there that voted for Obama and is listening understands this,
[12:17.000 --> 12:21.000]  free market does not mean what he's preaching.
[12:21.000 --> 12:23.000]  It's not free.
[12:23.000 --> 12:26.000]  We have to work and pay for that stuff.
[12:26.000 --> 12:32.000]  Yeah, and speaking of Obama, I was always telling my progressive friends, you know,
[12:32.000 --> 12:36.000]  who voted for him, who thought he'd be all this in a bag of chips.
[12:36.000 --> 12:40.000]  I basically said, you're not going to get universal health care out of it.
[12:40.000 --> 12:42.000]  You're going to get fascist health care.
[12:42.000 --> 12:45.000]  You're going to get health care dominated by the insurers.
[12:45.000 --> 12:51.000]  You're going to get a system where employers and doctors are placed between, you know,
[12:51.000 --> 12:52.000]  patients and doctors.
[12:52.000 --> 12:56.000]  It's just amazing.
[12:56.000 --> 12:58.000]  And that's pretty much what it always turns into.
[12:58.000 --> 13:02.000]  Like, I don't know if you guys saw the new financial bill at all.
[13:02.000 --> 13:03.000]  Did you?
[13:03.000 --> 13:05.000]  No.
[13:05.000 --> 13:13.000]  It was really amazing because basically, and I was taking it back, reading a lot of the language.
[13:13.000 --> 13:19.000]  I'll have to send you a write-up I was asked to do by the local Tea Party out here.
[13:19.000 --> 13:27.000]  But one piece of the bill said, and I quote, it is strongly presumed, end quote,
[13:27.000 --> 13:32.000]  that, you know, in a liquidation where a company was failing,
[13:32.000 --> 13:35.000]  that the shareholders would take all the losses.
[13:35.000 --> 13:37.000]  I mean, who writes a law like that?
[13:37.000 --> 13:40.000]  It is strongly presumed.
[13:40.000 --> 13:44.000]  Is it strongly presumed that you stop at a red light?
[13:44.000 --> 13:49.000]  You know, is it strongly presumed that we don't kill people?
[13:49.000 --> 13:55.000]  You know, but these are the kinds of things, you know, that happen when government just gets outside that box.
[13:55.000 --> 14:01.000]  And another thing I found in it is, I believe, and this is the May 4th markup.
[14:01.000 --> 14:02.000]  It could have changed.
[14:02.000 --> 14:08.000]  But in the May 4th markup, I believe it was Section 1155,
[14:08.000 --> 14:14.000]  there was a mechanism for a permanent bailout where essentially the president could, you know,
[14:14.000 --> 14:21.000]  and the word was may, end quote, inform Congress of, you know, different actions that he'd taken.
[14:21.000 --> 14:22.000]  May.
[14:22.000 --> 14:29.000]  And if the president decided to inform Congress, Congress could then vote on it.
[14:29.000 --> 14:35.000]  You know, but this is the thing, I guess, when, you know, the free market discussion goes on,
[14:35.000 --> 14:38.000]  people miss the, you know, the point that, you know,
[14:38.000 --> 14:44.000]  government's sole function in the free market is to prevent, you know, or correct fraud, theft, and abuse.
[14:44.000 --> 14:48.000]  And when it goes beyond that function and starts getting itself involved,
[14:48.000 --> 14:54.000]  it creates all these different agencies and basically all these companies that make all the money on the fraud,
[14:54.000 --> 14:58.000]  just hijack the government, and now they have their own agencies that they control.
[14:58.000 --> 15:01.000]  And by the way, the Fed gets a lot more power out of this, too.
[15:01.000 --> 15:10.000]  So I just figured I wanted to weigh in on that and basically say, you know, I'm glad you guys did this.
[15:10.000 --> 15:14.000]  It's really important to go back to the basics, which I think people have lost.
[15:14.000 --> 15:17.000]  You know, and then if you don't have the basics, you can't really, you know,
[15:17.000 --> 15:23.000]  start looking at different things like this and understanding what's actually happening.
[15:23.000 --> 15:25.000]  Thanks, Dan.
[15:25.000 --> 15:27.000]  Yeah, we got to get back to the basics.
[15:27.000 --> 15:35.000]  In my book, the only financial law that Congress should be writing at all
[15:35.000 --> 15:46.000]  should be having to do with corning silver from the Treasury, constitutional dollars.
[15:46.000 --> 15:49.000]  Yeah, I'd love to see that.
[15:49.000 --> 15:51.000]  I'd love to see that.
[15:51.000 --> 15:52.000]  I can't wait for it.
[15:52.000 --> 15:54.000]  I think it's going to happen.
[15:54.000 --> 15:58.000]  I've got a lot of hope, but, you know, I think it's just a matter of when, not if.
[15:58.000 --> 16:00.000]  Yeah, and this is ridiculous.
[16:00.000 --> 16:05.000]  You know, any president saying, oh, well, I'm going to do this or I'm going to do that,
[16:05.000 --> 16:08.000]  and maybe the Congress will authorize.
[16:08.000 --> 16:14.000]  I mean, I've always said regarding the separation of the branches of government,
[16:14.000 --> 16:18.000]  the executive branch is the lowest rung on the ladder.
[16:18.000 --> 16:28.000]  They're only authorized to enforce and execute law that Congress enacts, and they have to.
[16:28.000 --> 16:33.000]  They don't have a choice over which ones they'd like to or not,
[16:33.000 --> 16:40.000]  and the court interprets the law that Congress enacts as to whether it's constitutional or not,
[16:40.000 --> 16:50.000]  and if none of them do it right, then the juries incite their butts and throw them in prison.
[16:50.000 --> 16:51.000]  Okay, Dan, thanks for calling in.
[16:51.000 --> 16:55.000]  We're going to go to Danny in Texas when we get back on the other side.
[16:55.000 --> 16:56.000]  All right, good talking to you.
[16:56.000 --> 17:03.000]  All right, we'll be right back.
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[18:00.000 --> 18:19.000]  Well, don't let none get to you. Only the Father can deliver you. So don't let bad-minded people hurt you until space and get behind them. Norman, my friend, and all of your children.
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[19:17.000 --> 19:32.000]  Trust in God, my friend. Miracles, you know, He works them. Okay, we're going to calls 512-646-1984. Danny in Texas, thanks for hanging in there.
[19:32.000 --> 19:34.000]  Thanks for holding. What's on your mind tonight?
[19:34.000 --> 19:49.000]  Well, I just thought I'd get things going again between Eddie and Kelton there about the laws and when they apply and all that.
[19:49.000 --> 19:57.000]  Well, I was looking at it that the state exists because the wishes of the sovereign people to take care of certain things for them.
[19:57.000 --> 20:12.000]  And it's done through a contract known as the Constitution. And the state and all its people operating in it are supposed to act under those bounds.
[20:12.000 --> 20:31.000]  And they have like the penal code and a few things to indicate if or nothing else is noticed to what kind of problems you can expect for violating certain behaviors that we expect to not be violated as the sovereign people.
[20:31.000 --> 20:43.000]  And when something comes up, okay, the state does machinery that may do it, but they take that individual before a group of the sovereigns known as the grand jury to make a decision about the allegation.
[20:43.000 --> 21:01.000]  And then if they decide they probably need to do something about this and look into it more and then brought before another group of sovereign people known as the petite jury to decide on the final ruling of it.
[21:01.000 --> 21:11.000]  So that way I think kind of gets back to the sovereigns, but it has the machinery of government doing it to the brute force things that need to be done.
[21:11.000 --> 21:20.000]  The only problem is you don't have people that know that they're sovereign well enough to act properly in their roles.
[21:20.000 --> 21:26.000]  I'd go along with that for the most part.
[21:26.000 --> 21:36.000]  Yeah, that's the part I was trying to get to is what structure do we actually have and what authority does what law actually have?
[21:36.000 --> 21:45.000]  One, some, and none.
[21:45.000 --> 21:52.000]  Okay, Eddie, so get it straight.
[21:52.000 --> 21:57.000]  Well, I work on that.
[21:57.000 --> 22:13.000]  I don't know. We can have the philosophical discussion about it all day, the point being that until a man knows the limits of what he should be doing to another man, it's a moot point.
[22:13.000 --> 22:26.000]  Those are the kind of people that would have to be regulated because they have no self-control or self-worth or whatever you would want to call it that would allow them to live in a polite society and interact with others.
[22:26.000 --> 22:29.000]  I agree with that.
[22:29.000 --> 22:46.000]  Most of us don't need the laws for the most part because God, if there is a God, if in fact he created us, he left a portion of his creation in our hearts.
[22:46.000 --> 22:50.000]  I don't need God to tell me when I did something wrong.
[22:50.000 --> 22:53.000]  He left that part of himself inside me.
[22:53.000 --> 22:56.000]  I do it myself.
[22:56.000 --> 22:59.000]  And most of us are social creatures.
[22:59.000 --> 23:09.000]  And we endeavor to follow the social norms, the social structure so that we do not harm other people.
[23:09.000 --> 23:19.000]  And most of us don't harm other people not from fear of punishment, but because it's in our nature.
[23:19.000 --> 23:24.000]  But from what I understand, some 25% of the population are psychopaths.
[23:24.000 --> 23:35.000]  And they don't have that internal, instinctual imperative to maintain the integrity of the group.
[23:35.000 --> 23:37.000]  And that's the ones we put in office, people.
[23:37.000 --> 23:38.000]  Wake up.
[23:38.000 --> 23:48.000]  That's the ones that tend to gravitate toward those kinds of positions for reasons that should keep them out of those positions.
[23:48.000 --> 23:54.000]  And there's a percentage of the population that doesn't have that control.
[23:54.000 --> 23:59.000]  And so we need some guidelines.
[23:59.000 --> 24:08.000]  And unfortunately, we need some teeth in the guidelines to give them purchase.
[24:08.000 --> 24:13.000]  And so that was my concern earlier about the statement that the laws don't apply to the sovereign.
[24:13.000 --> 24:22.000]  I think they do apply to the sovereign by consensus.
[24:22.000 --> 24:28.000]  And for one, to say, and this is my concern with what the guardians are doing,
[24:28.000 --> 24:36.000]  is this group of Sam Kennedy and Tim Turner are going to go set up their own grand jury,
[24:36.000 --> 24:44.000]  discuss this issue with one of their members recently on a party call, on a conference call.
[24:44.000 --> 24:48.000]  And this was the issue I made.
[24:48.000 --> 24:56.000]  Where did you get authority to create your own grand jury?
[24:56.000 --> 24:57.000]  And they did this.
[24:57.000 --> 25:03.000]  Well, they're not doing things the way they're supposed to, and we have to do something.
[25:03.000 --> 25:06.000]  I said, okay.
[25:06.000 --> 25:08.000]  But where did you get your authority?
[25:08.000 --> 25:15.000]  Well, when people act improperly, men of good conscience have to stand up.
[25:15.000 --> 25:17.000]  I said, yeah, they do.
[25:17.000 --> 25:21.000]  But where do you get your authority?
[25:21.000 --> 25:24.000]  They don't.
[25:24.000 --> 25:32.000]  We have grand juries that were put in place by all of us over time.
[25:32.000 --> 25:38.000]  And instead of trying to utilize and correct the procedures that we have,
[25:38.000 --> 25:45.000]  they just want to, they feel like they're not bound by the laws that they don't like.
[25:45.000 --> 25:48.000]  And they'll just go make up their own.
[25:48.000 --> 25:52.000]  Frankly, that terrifies me.
[25:52.000 --> 25:59.000]  Just the other day when I was in Brooklyn, I watched a movie, The Great Debate.
[25:59.000 --> 26:07.000]  And Denzel Washington was teaching students at Wiley College circa 1935,
[26:07.000 --> 26:11.000]  a black college in Texas, in Marshall, Texas.
[26:11.000 --> 26:15.000]  And they put together a really good debate team.
[26:15.000 --> 26:21.000]  And at the end, they debated Harvard University.
[26:21.000 --> 26:29.000]  And the part that won was about civil disobedience.
[26:29.000 --> 26:35.000]  And the Harvard debater got up and said that recently he had an uncle killed in the line of duty
[26:35.000 --> 26:43.000]  as a police officer and that no one, no one should be allowed to thwart the law.
[26:43.000 --> 26:47.000]  And then Wiley College got up and he said,
[26:47.000 --> 26:52.000]  and in one of the scenes they were going to a debate and they came across a lynching.
[26:52.000 --> 26:54.000]  And it terrified him.
[26:54.000 --> 26:59.000]  And he got up and he said, they lynched Negroes in Texas.
[26:59.000 --> 27:04.000]  And he went on to explain how they saw this and had to,
[27:04.000 --> 27:16.000]  and put their faces to the floorboard but mostly in shame that this sort of thing could happen.
[27:16.000 --> 27:26.000]  And when I talked to the guys with the guardians, that's exactly what they sounded like.
[27:26.000 --> 27:31.000]  The ones who decided they didn't like the world law the way it was,
[27:31.000 --> 27:36.000]  so they would go do it their own way.
[27:36.000 --> 27:42.000]  And granted, I have no doubt that these guys have the best of intentions.
[27:42.000 --> 27:52.000]  But when we throw off the entire culture and step out on our own,
[27:52.000 --> 27:57.000]  it tends to lead to bad outcomes.
[27:57.000 --> 28:11.000]  So this concept of I didn't give the government any authority over me so I can do as I choose,
[28:11.000 --> 28:18.000]  while personally I tend to be an individualist and I like doing what I want to do,
[28:18.000 --> 28:24.000]  as a policy I find it somewhat frightening.
[28:24.000 --> 28:30.000]  And that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[28:30.000 --> 28:33.000]  And I wish you good luck with that.
[28:33.000 --> 28:36.000]  Danny, you have comments?
[28:36.000 --> 28:39.000]  No, I just had that bit to put in.
[28:39.000 --> 28:41.000]  Come on, Danny.
[28:41.000 --> 28:43.000]  Jump in there on my side.
[28:43.000 --> 28:45.000]  Tell Eddie he's wrong and I'm right.
[28:45.000 --> 28:50.000]  Okay, I'm going to jump in on your side, Randy.
[28:50.000 --> 28:57.000]  I'm going to jump in on your side because ironically enough,
[28:57.000 --> 29:06.000]  this was the circumstances under which or with which I happened to meet you
[29:06.000 --> 29:12.000]  because I was investigating the law and grand jury functioning
[29:12.000 --> 29:18.000]  because I wanted to know how we as sovereigns, as citizens,
[29:18.000 --> 29:27.000]  could pursue criminal charges against these rogues that perpetrated 9-11.
[29:27.000 --> 29:37.000]  And so I started looking into the situation and these citizens, grand juries and such.
[29:37.000 --> 29:47.000]  And I want to talk about that on the other side.
[29:47.000 --> 29:52.000]  You can talk a lot about it as long as you agree with me.
[29:52.000 --> 29:56.000]  I'll say whatever I want, whether you agree or not.
[29:56.000 --> 29:58.000]  Okay, you have my permission.
[29:58.000 --> 30:27.000]  I don't need your permission.
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[31:20.000 --> 31:39.000]  I won't, I won't, I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes.
[31:39.000 --> 31:54.000]  They must refuse your note, also doesn't lie. It seems you like the face, but please take some words to the wise.
[31:54.000 --> 32:19.000]  Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
[32:19.000 --> 32:25.000]  Okay, we're back with Taking Your Calls, 512-646-1984.
[32:25.000 --> 32:42.000]  And I was discussing the matter of grand juries and concurring with Randy as far as the matter of the entity of the grand jury
[32:42.000 --> 32:51.000]  and its function within the governmental system. And not just that, but any other governmental entity.
[32:51.000 --> 33:01.000]  I don't agree with just, oh, we're going to impound our own grand jury, or oh, I'm going to say I'm the governor now
[33:01.000 --> 33:10.000]  because of this side or the other, because my friends voted me, or whatever. However, they want to justify it.
[33:10.000 --> 33:18.000]  This is how I met Randy concerning the investigation into 9-11.
[33:18.000 --> 33:26.000]  And I wanted to pursue criminal charges and prosecution and grand jury functioning.
[33:26.000 --> 33:36.000]  And so I came across this citizen and paneling of grand juries and such, and there were multiple such entities
[33:36.000 --> 33:46.000]  presenting their indictments, presentments, whatever you want to call it, presentments it would be to various prosecutors,
[33:46.000 --> 34:00.000]  which ignored them. And of course they are, because it wasn't a legitimate grand jury entity within that governmental system.
[34:00.000 --> 34:12.000]  And that's when Randy showed me the laws, started explaining to me, we don't need to legislate or make some other entity.
[34:12.000 --> 34:17.000]  We already have all the power we need. It's kind of like Alice, I'm sorry, not Alice in Wonderland.
[34:17.000 --> 34:25.000]  It's kind of like, you know, the Wizard of Oz. You know, the ruby slippers are there.
[34:25.000 --> 34:31.000]  Dorothy, she had the power all along. It's like we already have everything we need.
[34:31.000 --> 34:38.000]  We don't need to reach outside of ourselves and establish all these various entities.
[34:38.000 --> 34:49.000]  And so my question is, okay, grand juries have all the power, so how do we wield that?
[34:49.000 --> 34:58.000]  How do we spend all our time trying to get to them? Well, how about if everybody just mobbed the courthouse
[34:58.000 --> 35:04.000]  and said, okay, we're here to be on the grand jury. I mean, I don't know, I'm not necessarily saying in a violent way,
[35:04.000 --> 35:15.000]  but we have to do something, and I'm certainly advocating action in a nonviolent manner.
[35:15.000 --> 35:22.000]  And I don't think impaneling our own citizens grand juries or our own legislators or this or that,
[35:22.000 --> 35:28.000]  I don't really think that's the answer because the structure, the system is already in place,
[35:28.000 --> 35:39.000]  and we already have the power for such. And so my question is, okay, Randy, how do we use this grand jury power that we have?
[35:39.000 --> 35:47.000]  How do we get ourselves on these grand juries? How do we get to them without causing such a spectacle scene
[35:47.000 --> 35:53.000]  and calling 911 and getting ourselves thrown in jail and all these things? I mean, is there a way?
[35:53.000 --> 36:00.000]  I mean, is this what our republic has really come down to? We have to go to the courthouse
[36:00.000 --> 36:06.000]  and demand to either be on the grand jury or present our criminal complaints to the grand jury,
[36:06.000 --> 36:13.000]  and anyone that gets in our way, we have to call 911 and risk going to jail. I mean...
[36:13.000 --> 36:19.000]  Yes, that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it should be.
[36:19.000 --> 36:33.000]  And if dozens of people, hundreds of people did that, then, you know, a very few people wouldn't be going to jail over it, right?
[36:33.000 --> 36:37.000]  Yeah, even if a couple of us are. It's not that big a deal.
[36:37.000 --> 36:40.000]  Okay, you can, since you think it's not that big of a deal.
[36:40.000 --> 36:43.000]  Yeah, and you shouldn't be there. You shouldn't do that. I should do that.
[36:43.000 --> 36:44.000]  Okay, you go ahead.
[36:44.000 --> 36:46.000]  There are enough of us that...
[36:46.000 --> 36:47.000]  I'm not going to bail you out.
[36:47.000 --> 36:50.000] ...spending a day or two in jail is...
[36:50.000 --> 36:52.000]  Maybe I'll bail you out.
[36:52.000 --> 37:00.000]  It's a small price to pay relative to what others have paid. That's nothing.
[37:00.000 --> 37:09.000]  And from my perspective, there is nothing these guys can shake at me that doesn't pale into insignificance.
[37:09.000 --> 37:16.000]  Take your best shot, Bubba, because when you're finished, I'm still going to be there.
[37:16.000 --> 37:26.000]  Descartes once said, nothing can resist the human will that will stake its very existence upon the extent of its outcome.
[37:26.000 --> 37:36.000]  But everybody doesn't have to do that. And all we have to do is stand up and be sovereigns.
[37:36.000 --> 37:39.000]  The system's in place. Everything we need is there.
[37:39.000 --> 37:42.000]  These guys are doing this Citizens Grand Jury crap-ola.
[37:42.000 --> 37:47.000]  Get your behind down there to the grand jury and use the one you got.
[37:47.000 --> 37:55.000]  You take all of these people and get them all to sign their names on a criminal complaint and go down to the grand jury.
[37:55.000 --> 37:57.000]  We would get it changed.
[37:57.000 --> 38:05.000]  I did a presentation to the Republic of Texas several years ago, and they wanted to replace the government with a new one.
[38:05.000 --> 38:10.000]  I said, who here has the brain trust to run a whole government?
[38:10.000 --> 38:17.000]  If you people want to change things, quit sitting around here plotting and planning how we're going to make a new government.
[38:17.000 --> 38:21.000]  Let's fix the one we got. Here I've got a whole bunch of blank criminal complaints.
[38:21.000 --> 38:29.000]  If you think these people aren't acting right, fill out one of these complaints and sign your name on it right there on the bottom in front of a notary
[38:29.000 --> 38:35.000]  and personally take it down there and give it to the grand jury, and we'll get this changed.
[38:35.000 --> 38:42.000]  Well, they wanted me out of there in a hurry,
[38:42.000 --> 38:52.000]  because what they really wanted to do is gripe and complain and wave their arms around in righteous indignation.
[38:52.000 --> 39:03.000]  But when I asked them to stand up and step directly into the line of fire, they all ducked and run for cover.
[39:03.000 --> 39:08.000]  And in my opinion, that's what the guardians are doing.
[39:08.000 --> 39:12.000]  Okay, well, I don't know who the guardians are, but...
[39:12.000 --> 39:20.000]  These are the guys that are putting, that sent the letters to all of them, the governors telling them to vacate the office,
[39:20.000 --> 39:27.000]  and they're making up their own grand juries. That's all smoke and mirrors.
[39:27.000 --> 39:32.000]  That's all a way for these guys to make themselves feel better.
[39:32.000 --> 39:41.000]  But when you ask them to do what really needs to be done, oh, you want me to stand down there in front of these guys who have pistols?
[39:41.000 --> 39:45.000]  Sure, there are public officials and they work for us,
[39:45.000 --> 39:54.000]  but don't ask me to go down there and stand in front of these people in my own person,
[39:54.000 --> 39:58.000]  because something bad might happen to me.
[39:58.000 --> 40:05.000]  If we had more people who would take them on, like I see Wendy from Tennessee is on the board,
[40:05.000 --> 40:15.000]  if we had a Wendy in every county in the country, this problem would have gone away a long time ago.
[40:15.000 --> 40:20.000]  If these guys have quit trying to look for some way to make themselves feel better,
[40:20.000 --> 40:26.000]  get up off their cans and use the checks and balances that are already in the system,
[40:26.000 --> 40:31.000]  this problem will go away very quickly.
[40:31.000 --> 40:36.000]  Yeah, I was going to say, I want to hear about the, you know,
[40:36.000 --> 40:42.000]  Wendy has a story of pulling a Wendy, of handing out information when it comes to jury and paneling.
[40:42.000 --> 40:48.000]  And Randy, I don't know what this, you got this something in your craw concerning this guardian situation.
[40:48.000 --> 40:50.000]  I don't know what it's all about, but...
[40:50.000 --> 40:59.000]  I'm uncomfortable with it. They're leading the legal reform community on a fool's errand.
[40:59.000 --> 41:03.000]  And I'm concerned that it's going to turn into an FBI sting,
[41:03.000 --> 41:14.000]  and they'll use it to discredit the entire legal reform movement when they start indicting these people for treason.
[41:14.000 --> 41:20.000]  I sat in Tim Turner's seminar in the front row with the cameras on me,
[41:20.000 --> 41:25.000]  and he told me about how they had elected a legislature,
[41:25.000 --> 41:31.000]  and they had the Senate and the House of Representatives already elected and a president,
[41:31.000 --> 41:34.000]  and they had two generals who were going to go with them,
[41:34.000 --> 41:39.000]  and they were going to replace this de facto government with their own government that they elected for us.
[41:39.000 --> 41:44.000]  Thank you very much. Where was I when you were doing all this electing?
[41:44.000 --> 41:48.000]  Maybe I was just too stupid to have enough sense to be involved,
[41:48.000 --> 41:51.000]  but they were going to help us out and do this for us.
[41:51.000 --> 41:59.000]  And then he went on to say, we're going to take these politicians and try them for treason and hang them.
[41:59.000 --> 42:07.000]  I'm sitting here in the front row with the cameras on me, and he's talking high treason.
[42:07.000 --> 42:12.000]  I was not a happy camper.
[42:12.000 --> 42:15.000]  Well, you know, I appreciate it.
[42:15.000 --> 42:19.000]  I'm sure we all appreciate that you have to divest yourself from that situation,
[42:19.000 --> 42:27.000]  because after all, this is the rule of law, and we're not into treason.
[42:27.000 --> 42:31.000]  And I'm sure these people have their reasons.
[42:31.000 --> 42:37.000]  I'm sure they believe that the way they structured the story,
[42:37.000 --> 42:43.000]  that they all felt like in their hearts they're doing the right thing.
[42:43.000 --> 42:51.000]  And that's common, but they're taking, from my perspective, they're taking the easy road.
[42:51.000 --> 42:59.000]  We all get together in a group and huddle together and wave our fists in righteous indignation.
[42:59.000 --> 43:02.000]  And I'm saying, get out of that group.
[43:02.000 --> 43:10.000]  Well, listen, we're naive if we don't think for one second that the powers that be,
[43:10.000 --> 43:21.000]  the evil powers that be, are infiltrating our true patriarch groups' causes.
[43:21.000 --> 43:27.000]  And I don't want to promote paranoia or anything like that, but I mean, people, come on.
[43:27.000 --> 43:37.000]  I mean, you know, when you see stuff that just don't make no sense, trust your inner instinct.
[43:37.000 --> 43:39.000]  Trust your inner instinct.
[43:39.000 --> 43:44.000]  So anyway, that's all I've got to say about it.
[43:44.000 --> 43:47.000]  I don't know about these people, but...
[43:47.000 --> 43:49.000]  Yeah, and hang on, callers.
[43:49.000 --> 43:54.000]  If Randy says that he suspects, then it's good enough for me.
[43:54.000 --> 43:56.000]  All right, we're going to go to the callers.
[43:56.000 --> 44:01.000]  Wendy, Jessica, Deloitte, Gene, we'll be right back.
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[45:24.000 --> 45:36.000]  Okay, we are back.
[45:36.000 --> 45:40.000]  We ain't asking for much.
[45:40.000 --> 45:44.000]  Not trying to be no glutton.
[45:44.000 --> 45:48.000]  Just pushing buttons. We're just trying to get by.
[45:48.000 --> 45:57.000]  And okay, enough railing on people we disagree with.
[45:57.000 --> 46:01.000]  We're going now to Wendy in Tennessee.
[46:01.000 --> 46:02.000]  Thank you for calling in.
[46:02.000 --> 46:03.000]  Wendy, what's on your mind?
[46:03.000 --> 46:04.000]  Hey, Deborah.
[46:04.000 --> 46:05.000]  Hey, Randy.
[46:05.000 --> 46:12.000]  I was going to ask a question about serving summons on someone in the federal suit.
[46:12.000 --> 46:23.000]  Everyone on the claim has been summoned and sent for a sheriff and his high priest, okay, his secondhand man.
[46:23.000 --> 46:28.000]  A process server has attempted to serve him five different times.
[46:28.000 --> 46:32.000]  And the last time he called him, he knew he was in his office.
[46:32.000 --> 46:37.000]  He sat out for over an hour and a half waiting on him to come out to get his service, right?
[46:37.000 --> 46:43.000]  He said that he was not going to be available for service.
[46:43.000 --> 46:45.000]  He was too busy.
[46:45.000 --> 46:46.000]  File?
[46:46.000 --> 46:47.000]  What process server?
[46:47.000 --> 46:53.000]  In Texas, it is a felony to avoid service.
[46:53.000 --> 46:56.000]  What do you mean a federal process server?
[46:56.000 --> 46:58.000]  What federal process server?
[46:58.000 --> 47:00.000]  I mean, it's a process server.
[47:00.000 --> 47:04.000]  We found the federal lawsuit, Title 42, 1983.
[47:04.000 --> 47:09.000]  I mean, but what entity was the process server?
[47:09.000 --> 47:11.000]  Was he a U.S. Marshal?
[47:11.000 --> 47:12.000]  No.
[47:12.000 --> 47:13.000]  That's what I was going to say.
[47:13.000 --> 47:14.000]  That's exactly what I was going to say.
[47:14.000 --> 47:19.000]  When it comes to federal lawsuits, U.S. Marshal is the entity that serves.
[47:19.000 --> 47:29.000]  Well, sometimes I was looking at the rules of court in California and I think in the Northern District,
[47:29.000 --> 47:37.000]  and they said the U.S. Marshals only served suits by the government, that you had to hire a third party.
[47:37.000 --> 47:40.000]  So it's probably different in different places.
[47:40.000 --> 47:45.000]  But if your process server is having trouble serving the sheriff,
[47:45.000 --> 47:53.000]  you might go back to the court and ask the U.S. Marshals to do it and accuse the sheriff of avoiding service.
[47:53.000 --> 47:56.000]  You said it was a private process server.
[47:56.000 --> 47:58.000]  What was the private entity?
[47:58.000 --> 48:04.000]  It's not for process services, but now this is an interesting part.
[48:04.000 --> 48:07.000]  An attorney has already answered for him.
[48:07.000 --> 48:09.000]  Then he's waived service.
[48:09.000 --> 48:12.000]  Yeah, I was going to say he's been served.
[48:12.000 --> 48:13.000]  Yeah.
[48:13.000 --> 48:14.000]  So you don't have to bother with it.
[48:14.000 --> 48:15.000]  He waived it.
[48:15.000 --> 48:21.000]  If he answered other than a challenge to subject matter jurisdiction,
[48:21.000 --> 48:30.000]  then he answered in a general, it's a general appearance, and that waives any issue of service.
[48:30.000 --> 48:31.000]  Okay.
[48:31.000 --> 48:36.000]  Now the interesting thing is because he's a sheriff and he wasn't actually there,
[48:36.000 --> 48:43.000]  he said he was not responsible, and all his deputies swore out that the sheriff was not there
[48:43.000 --> 48:46.000]  when they threw this man off his property.
[48:46.000 --> 48:51.000]  The respondeet, and it's not respondent, I used to call it respondent.
[48:51.000 --> 48:58.000]  It's respondeet, D-E-A-T, respondeet superior.
[48:58.000 --> 48:59.000]  Okay.
[48:59.000 --> 49:00.000]  Yes, he is responsible.
[49:00.000 --> 49:04.000]  He did not elect the deputies.
[49:04.000 --> 49:05.000]  Yes.
[49:05.000 --> 49:07.000]  Now, here's another interesting thing.
[49:07.000 --> 49:11.000]  This sheriff is really freaking me out.
[49:11.000 --> 49:16.000]  After all the negative elements and stuff, he's had the same attorney during all this,
[49:16.000 --> 49:19.000]  and he's always been James Leon Boron.
[49:19.000 --> 49:22.000]  All of a sudden, he's not Leon anymore.
[49:22.000 --> 49:27.000]  He's James Lee Boron.
[49:27.000 --> 49:28.000]  Interesting.
[49:28.000 --> 49:29.000]  Yeah.
[49:29.000 --> 49:33.000]  And even the county commissioners, you know, I've asked him, he's Leon,
[49:33.000 --> 49:40.000]  and 411 said he was Leon, and all of a sudden, he's Lee.
[49:40.000 --> 49:43.000]  Does he have a different sign number?
[49:43.000 --> 49:45.000]  No, he don't have a website.
[49:45.000 --> 49:47.000]  What did it say on the ballot?
[49:47.000 --> 49:51.000]  On the county website, he says James L.
[49:51.000 --> 49:54.000]  What did it say on the ballot for the election?
[49:54.000 --> 49:57.000]  James L.
[49:57.000 --> 50:01.000]  Just change it to loser and send it to him anyway.
[50:01.000 --> 50:03.000]  It's crazy.
[50:03.000 --> 50:04.000]  The whole thing is crazy.
[50:04.000 --> 50:06.000]  These people are weird.
[50:06.000 --> 50:12.000]  Okay, now I'm going to ask you, they have 21 days to answer their summons, right?
[50:12.000 --> 50:17.000]  Does that mean it has to be postmarked by the 21st day,
[50:17.000 --> 50:19.000]  or do you have to have it in your hand?
[50:19.000 --> 50:22.000]  It has to be postmarked by the 21st day.
[50:22.000 --> 50:25.000]  When is the time up?
[50:25.000 --> 50:28.000]  It was up Thursday.
[50:28.000 --> 50:35.000]  Get in there Monday morning with a motion for no answer summary judgment.
[50:35.000 --> 50:42.000]  Okay, now here in Tennessee, in order to have service sent to you in answer,
[50:42.000 --> 50:50.000]  they have to do it by certified mail or hand delivery, not just a regular U.S. mail.
[50:50.000 --> 51:01.000]  Would you consider if they just mailed the response a day late, you know, as being served?
[51:01.000 --> 51:05.000]  Okay, wait a minute.
[51:05.000 --> 51:09.000]  You're saying they mailed a response to you?
[51:09.000 --> 51:10.000]  Yes.
[51:10.000 --> 51:12.000]  And it was late?
[51:12.000 --> 51:13.000]  Yes, it was a day late.
[51:13.000 --> 51:16.000]  Okay, here's the problem.
[51:16.000 --> 51:26.000]  If they're late in filing their answer and you don't move for summary judgment before they get an answer in,
[51:26.000 --> 51:30.000]  you waive your right to move to do so.
[51:30.000 --> 51:34.000]  So if they do have an answer in, you can't,
[51:34.000 --> 51:41.000]  and you didn't get a motion for summary judgment before they got the answer, you can't raise it now.
[51:41.000 --> 51:48.000]  We've got a case coming due that came due today.
[51:48.000 --> 51:52.000]  And it goes to the Monday after the 20th day.
[51:52.000 --> 51:54.000]  Today's the 20th.
[51:54.000 --> 52:00.000]  If there's not one in there Monday, Tuesday morning, he's going to be at the court.
[52:00.000 --> 52:02.000]  No answer summary judgment.
[52:02.000 --> 52:04.000]  We don't give them time.
[52:04.000 --> 52:05.000]  Okay.
[52:05.000 --> 52:07.000]  The judge can sign it right there.
[52:07.000 --> 52:10.000]  If it comes in that day, too late.
[52:10.000 --> 52:14.000]  Or if it comes in the next day, sorry, Bubba, life is tough.
[52:14.000 --> 52:19.000]  But that's one of those things where you have to really be on the dime.
[52:19.000 --> 52:21.000]  That's what I thought.
[52:21.000 --> 52:23.000]  This is a federal case, right, Wendy?
[52:23.000 --> 52:26.000]  You're keeping track of this on PACER, right?
[52:26.000 --> 52:29.000]  Yes, yes.
[52:29.000 --> 52:35.000]  Was his answer, did it specifically address each of your causes of action?
[52:35.000 --> 52:37.000]  No.
[52:37.000 --> 52:39.000]  Did move for summary judgment nonresponsive?
[52:39.000 --> 52:40.000]  Okay.
[52:40.000 --> 52:43.000]  Did they just give a general denial?
[52:43.000 --> 52:44.000]  Yes.
[52:44.000 --> 52:47.000]  Did you make specific allegations?
[52:47.000 --> 52:49.000]  Yes.
[52:49.000 --> 52:55.000]  When you make specific allegations, if you make an allegation with specificity,
[52:55.000 --> 53:00.000]  it must be answered with particularity, it must be answered under oath.
[53:00.000 --> 53:01.000]  Yes.
[53:01.000 --> 53:04.000]  And I'm saying that based on Texas law.
[53:04.000 --> 53:08.000]  You would have to look at federal law to make sure it's the same.
[53:08.000 --> 53:14.000]  But good chance it is that the general denial is insufficient.
[53:14.000 --> 53:16.000]  You should maintain it's insufficient anyway,
[53:16.000 --> 53:20.000]  move to strike as nonresponsive and move for summary judgment.
[53:20.000 --> 53:21.000]  Okay.
[53:21.000 --> 53:25.000]  And then bargrieve the attorney just for the heck of it.
[53:25.000 --> 53:27.000]  We will.
[53:27.000 --> 53:33.000]  By the way, we have filed those federal criminal complaints for the grand jury
[53:33.000 --> 53:35.000]  member a while back.
[53:35.000 --> 53:41.000]  Of course, our US Attorney General didn't do anything about them, of course.
[53:41.000 --> 53:48.000]  So we filed criminal complaints with the US Attorney Eric Holder on him, right?
[53:48.000 --> 53:51.000]  Well, he was replaced thirsty.
[53:51.000 --> 53:55.000]  There's a new one in town.
[53:55.000 --> 53:56.000]  Wait a minute.
[53:56.000 --> 53:58.000]  Holder?
[53:58.000 --> 54:00.000]  No, no, no, no.
[54:00.000 --> 54:06.000]  Our US Attorney General in Knoxville District.
[54:06.000 --> 54:08.000]  You mean the State Attorney General?
[54:08.000 --> 54:10.000]  No.
[54:10.000 --> 54:14.000]  Oh, the US Attorney in the Knoxville District was replaced.
[54:14.000 --> 54:16.000]  Yes.
[54:16.000 --> 54:18.000]  Oh, good.
[54:18.000 --> 54:23.000]  So there was two complaints, one from our friend Buddy and one of us.
[54:23.000 --> 54:25.000]  And we both passed together.
[54:25.000 --> 54:26.000]  So he had two complaints.
[54:26.000 --> 54:29.000]  We sent it to Eric Holder.
[54:29.000 --> 54:32.000]  And he was replaced thirsty.
[54:32.000 --> 54:34.000]  They won him out of the line of fire.
[54:34.000 --> 54:39.000]  So now go take your complaints to this one against that one.
[54:39.000 --> 54:41.000]  Exactly.
[54:41.000 --> 54:44.000]  Because she can take it, she's not compromised.
[54:44.000 --> 54:47.000]  And then you compromise her the same way.
[54:47.000 --> 54:53.000]  And since it's a new one, the attorney may actually do something,
[54:53.000 --> 54:57.000]  especially if you stay after them.
[54:57.000 --> 55:01.000]  Did you file complaints with the grand jury?
[55:01.000 --> 55:02.000]  Yes.
[55:02.000 --> 55:04.000]  Good.
[55:04.000 --> 55:06.000]  We filed many complaints.
[55:06.000 --> 55:08.000]  I don't know who I've complained to anymore.
[55:08.000 --> 55:11.000]  Have you put, okay, when you filed to the grand jury,
[55:11.000 --> 55:14.000]  do you put a letter in there to the foreman?
[55:14.000 --> 55:18.000]  In the county or the state or...
[55:18.000 --> 55:19.000]  The Fed.
[55:19.000 --> 55:20.000]  The Fed.
[55:20.000 --> 55:27.000]  Yeah, we did, like a letter telling him what we wanted him to do with him.
[55:27.000 --> 55:31.000]  Okay, if you do that again, put a letter in there
[55:31.000 --> 55:35.000]  and ask the foreman to initial this letter and send it back to you
[55:35.000 --> 55:40.000]  so you'll know he actually received it because you've had experience
[55:40.000 --> 55:44.000]  with U.S. attorneys secreting criminal complaints from their friends
[55:44.000 --> 55:48.000]  and fellow public officials from him.
[55:48.000 --> 55:52.000]  But please don't sign it, initial it,
[55:52.000 --> 55:57.000]  because the U.S. attorney has a stamp with his signature on it.
[55:57.000 --> 55:58.000]  Okay, oh yeah.
[55:58.000 --> 56:01.000]  He's not going to like hearing that.
[56:01.000 --> 56:07.000]  When you don't get that letter back, that's a reasonable probable cause
[56:07.000 --> 56:11.000]  to believe somebody tampered with the U.S. mail.
[56:11.000 --> 56:15.000]  And if you've addressed it to the U.S. attorney's office
[56:15.000 --> 56:19.000]  with the name of the foreman of the grand jury on it,
[56:19.000 --> 56:21.000]  that's a reasonable probable cause to believe
[56:21.000 --> 56:25.000]  that the U.S. attorney tampered with the U.S. mail.
[56:25.000 --> 56:30.000]  And then your next complaint is a complaint against the U.S. attorney
[56:30.000 --> 56:32.000]  tampering with the U.S. mail,
[56:32.000 --> 56:36.000]  secreting criminal complaints against his buddies from the grand jury.
[56:36.000 --> 56:43.000]  I think it's 1512, 18 U.S. Code 1512, Instruction of Justice.
[56:43.000 --> 56:47.000]  So when you send that one to the U.S. attorney's office
[56:47.000 --> 56:50.000]  addressed to the grand jury and the U.S. attorney opens it,
[56:50.000 --> 56:56.000]  he's going to say, oops, they set me up.
[56:56.000 --> 56:58.000]  He's happy.
[56:58.000 --> 57:00.000]  It's the same thing.
[57:00.000 --> 57:03.000]  Once you run to the U.S. attorney,
[57:03.000 --> 57:07.000]  then go to the district judge for the same thing.
[57:07.000 --> 57:13.000]  So when you go back to D.C., you go with the district judge
[57:13.000 --> 57:16.000]  as well as the U.S. attorney.
[57:16.000 --> 57:23.000]  And the district judge is going to be real unhappy with this U.S. attorney.
[57:23.000 --> 57:27.000]  So the only way we're going to get back to the federal grand jury
[57:27.000 --> 57:31.000]  is to sting everybody in between.
[57:31.000 --> 57:36.000]  And somehow I suspect that you're up to the task.
[57:36.000 --> 57:38.000]  We've done just about everything.
[57:38.000 --> 57:42.000]  Oh, I know you gave this to me.
[57:42.000 --> 57:44.000]  You're going to talk to him.
[57:44.000 --> 57:49.000]  When our judge was designated to hear our cases, right,
[57:49.000 --> 57:55.000]  and he was also designated as supposed to hear my friends' buddies' case, right,
[57:55.000 --> 57:57.000]  but he wasn't.
[57:57.000 --> 58:02.000]  The designation, the man ordered everything to be sold of his,
[58:02.000 --> 58:05.000]  and he was not designated to hear the case.
[58:05.000 --> 58:08.000]  Even in the transcript, the judge says,
[58:08.000 --> 58:12.000]  I don't remember me being designated to hear a divorce case.
[58:12.000 --> 58:17.000]  And the other attorneys representing other people says, yes, you are.
[58:17.000 --> 58:18.000]  Yes, you are.
[58:18.000 --> 58:21.000]  They testified.
[58:21.000 --> 58:24.000]  Well, the attorneys don't get to say it.
[58:24.000 --> 58:30.000]  It has to come from the head administrative judge or whoever does the assignments.
[58:30.000 --> 58:33.000]  Doesn't the clerk do that?
[58:33.000 --> 58:36.000]  I'm not sure how it works in Tennessee.
[58:36.000 --> 58:39.000]  In Texas, it would be the head administrative judge of the district.
[58:39.000 --> 58:42.000]  Well, when the case is filed, the clerk assigns a judge.
[58:42.000 --> 58:44.000]  Yes.
[58:44.000 --> 58:48.000]  And that's just in the court of chief judge this year in Tennessee,
[58:48.000 --> 58:51.000]  that assigns the judges.
[58:51.000 --> 58:53.000]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[58:53.000 --> 59:01.000]  We've got Deloitte up next and Jean, Jessica, we'll be right back.
[59:01.000 --> 59:04.000]  It is so enlightening to listen to 90.1 FM,
[59:04.000 --> 59:07.000]  but finding things on the Internet isn't so easy,
[59:07.000 --> 59:10.000]  and neither is finding like-minded people to share it with.
[59:10.000 --> 59:13.000]  Oh, well, I guess you haven't heard of Brave New Books, then.
[59:13.000 --> 59:14.000]  Brave New Books?
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[59:17.000 --> 59:21.000]  by authors like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and G. Edward Griffin.
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[59:25.000 --> 59:27.000]  There's no way a place like that exists.
[59:27.000 --> 59:29.000]  Go check it out for yourself.
[59:29.000 --> 59:33.000]  It's downtown at 1904 Guadalupe Street just south of UT.
[59:33.000 --> 59:36.000]  By UT, there's never anywhere to park down there.
[59:36.000 --> 59:39.000]  Actually, they now offer a free hour of parking
[59:39.000 --> 59:44.000]  for paying customers at the 500 MLK parking facility just behind the bookstore.
[59:44.000 --> 59:48.000]  It does exist, but when are they open?
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[01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.000]  Investigators have arrested a Pakistani army major
[01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.000]  linked to the prime suspect in the botched Times Square bombing.
[01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:17.000]  The major's involvement with suspect Faisal Shahzad remains unclear.
[01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.000]  Millions of Americans arrested for but not convicted of crimes
[01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.000]  could have their DNA forcibly extracted and added to a national database,
[01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.000]  according to a bill approved by the House of Representatives Tuesday.
[01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:35.000]  Civil libertarians say DNA samples should be required only from people
[01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.000]  who have been convicted of crimes.
[01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:43.000]  Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul Friday called Barack Obama un-American
[01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.000]  for putting his boot heel on the throat of BP.
[01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.000]  Paul, a rising star of the Tea Party movement,
[01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.000]  also defended remarks he made about the Civil Rights Act,
[01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.000]  saying he's being trashed by Democrats.
[01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.000]  Paul came under fire after insinuating the Civil Rights legislation
[01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.000]  went too far by forcing private businesses
[01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.000]  to follow federal anti-discrimination laws.
[01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.000]  Dennis Blair announced Thursday he is stepping down
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.000]  as Director of National Intelligence.
[01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.000]  His 16-month tenure has been marked by infighting with the CIA
[01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.000]  and sharp criticism over the intelligence community's failure
[01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.000]  to prevent the botched Christmas Day bombing.
[01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:26.000]  Sources said Obama was having trouble finding a replacement for Blair
[01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:30.000]  because of questions about the Director of National Intelligence's role.
[01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.000]  The DNI serves as the head of the intelligence community
[01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:36.000]  but has limited control of the CIA.
[01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.000]  Officials say Blair locked horns with CIA Director Leon Panetta
[01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:44.000]  when he sought White House support to expand his authority.
[01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  Current and former intelligence officials traced the tensions back to 2004
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.000]  when legislation overhauling the intelligence system
[01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:56.000]  created the office of the DNI without clearly delineating its powers.
[01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:00.000]  Within the bureaucracy, Blair faced an uphill battle.
[01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.000]  Panetta, a former White House Chief of Staff,
[01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.000]  has extensive ties in the administration and Congress.
[01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:10.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000]  The Senate Thursday approved a financial regulatory bill
[01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:17.000]  putting Congress on the brink of approving a broad expansion
[01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:22.000]  of government oversight of the complex banking system and financial markets.
[01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.000]  The legislation is intended to prevent a repeat of the 2008 crisis
[01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:30.000]  but also reshapes the role of numerous federal agencies
[01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.000]  and vastly empowers the Federal Reserve in an attempt to predict
[01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.000]  and contain future meltdowns.
[01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.000]  Democratic congressional leaders and the Obama administration
[01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.000]  must now work to combine the Senate measure
[01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:47.000]  with a version approved by the House in December.
[01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:51.000]  The bill seeks to curb abusive lending, particularly in the mortgage industry,
[01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:55.000]  and to ensure that troubled companies, no matter how big,
[01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.000]  can be liquidated at no cost to taxpayers.
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[01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:56.000]  Okay, we're taking your calls for this final hour.
[01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:00.000]  We're going now to Deloitte in Idaho.
[01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.000]  Deloitte, thanks for holding.
[01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:03.000]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.000]  What's on your mind?
[01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:11.000]  Well, I really was hoping that I would get a hold of the call screener
[01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.000]  so I could leave a phone number so I could get a hold of Wendy.
[01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.000]  I'd like to speak with Wendy privately about some things.
[01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.000]  Okay, I'll talk to you off the air, Deloitte.
[01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.000]  What's that?
[01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.000]  I said I'll talk to you off the air.
[01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:26.000]  That's okay.
[01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:32.000]  Okay, I went to a little kangaroo court,
[01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:38.000]  and I had done a motion for a more definite statement,
[01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:42.000]  and they, the judge, he wouldn't have any of that.
[01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.000]  And, well, here's the number, and, you know,
[01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.000]  I told him that I couldn't properly plead without knowing what the charge is,
[01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:57.000]  you know, and basically it's a bowl of spaghetti, a fraudulent 911 call
[01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:02.000]  or misuse of 911, and, you know, I wanted to know what it was.
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  Well, he just trampled all over that.
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:10.000]  He's an arrogant person, and, you know, he's really firm,
[01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.000]  and he's got to have it his way.
[01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.000]  And so I just let it go about it, and he went ahead
[01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:23.000]  and signed me a public pretender, and it was four weeks before I got in to see her,
[01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.000]  and she refused to answer questions so I could determine her competency,
[01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:31.000]  and she refused to sign a contract, so I don't have a contract with her.
[01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.000]  Wait a minute, Deloitte, did you file a bar grievance against her?
[01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.000]  I have not yet.
[01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000]  Do so quickly.
[01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.000]  First opportunity, grieve her.
[01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:44.000]  And then she's going to go to the judge and ask to be removed from the case,
[01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.000]  and you go in and tell the judge, you leave her alone.
[01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000]  She's my counsel of choice.
[01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  You interfere with that.
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  You're interfering with a private contract, and I'll sue you personally.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:56.000]  Well, that's good.
[01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.000]  I don't have a contract with her.
[01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.000]  Yes, you do.
[01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  She didn't sign the contract.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:02.000]  You have a contract.
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:09.000]  She has a contract with the state, and you are the intended third-party beneficiary.
[01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  Okay.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:16.000]  The judge, I believe that I've got him on seven judicial canons,
[01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:24.000]  and I planned on filing each one of them individually and mailing them each on a separate day,
[01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.000]  at least one day in between each of them.
[01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.000]  Good man.
[01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  I mean, this judge, this is the second time this judge has had a shot at me,
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.000]  and, you know, I don't like him at all,
[01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:44.000]  and I'm going to show my love for him with paperwork.
[01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:45.000]  Yeah.
[01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:52.000]  See, the problem the judge has is once you file these judicial conduct complaints,
[01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:57.000]  then if he renders a ruling that fails to apply the law to the facts,
[01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.000]  you can call it retaliation.
[01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.000]  Well, see, I've been moved on to another judge now.
[01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  He was just to do that.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  One of them will move it to another judge.
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.000]  What it was was kind of like a preliminary hearing.
[01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:15.000]  Okay.
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:21.000]  The thing about judicial conduct complaints is they're secret,
[01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000]  except they're not secret.
[01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.000]  You hammer this guy, the next judge is going to know you're hammering this guy,
[01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:35.000]  and if this judge says one word about judicial conduct complaints against the other judge,
[01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:41.000]  you move to disqualify and file a complaint against him for that.
[01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:46.000]  Once they find out you're coming after them, they get more cautious.
[01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.000]  They're going to rule against you anyways.
[01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.000]  You've got nothing to lose.
[01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  Exactly.
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:09:00.000]  I mean, I'm guilty until I prove myself innocent in this screwed up system that we have in this country,
[01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:05.000]  and it's like the last time I knew I was two days away from trial starting.
[01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:12.000]  I knew I was going to prison, and so I just pulled out all the stops.
[01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:19.000]  I've already had one run in with the public pretender, and they've already got some discovery.
[01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:22.000]  Now, there was a minimum of eight police officers down here.
[01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:26.000]  One of them had a high-powered rifle pointed at me,
[01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:36.000]  and another one had a pistol out of his holster, and the discovery said that there's only three guys.
[01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.000]  You know, I've got video of the cars.
[01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:44.000]  I've got videos of all the – for the end of the world out there,
[01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:49.000]  and yet in discovery they only named three guys.
[01:09:49.000 --> 01:10:01.000]  Did you file a grievance against the prosecutor, motion for sanctions, and obstruction of justice?
[01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.000]  Excellent. Excellent.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.000]  Just grab him by his throat.
[01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:10.000]  He's withholding evidence.
[01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:16.000]  Now, in Texas we have American Bar Association standards,
[01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:23.000]  and then we have the American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function,
[01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.000]  and they're American Bar Association, so they're a model.
[01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:32.000]  You can go to the American Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function,
[01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:41.000]  and 3-3.11 says it is unethical conduct for a prosecuting attorney to refrain from pursuing evidence
[01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:47.000]  because the evidence would show the innocence of the accused or mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:53.000]  He has knowingly and deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence,
[01:10:53.000 --> 01:11:01.000]  or evidence that would tend to mitigate your guilt of anything you may be charged of.
[01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.000]  Uh-huh.
[01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:07.000]  You can call that misconduct and go – these are the –
[01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:14.000]  grievances filed under the Bar Association standards for the prosecutorial function
[01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:20.000]  will have more purchase than just standard bar grievance.
[01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.000]  So do a search for that.
[01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:28.000]  I actually had a prosecutor give me his copy,
[01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.000]  and three months later I hammered him with it in court.
[01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:37.000]  That was a hoot, but look at that.
[01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:41.000]  Go for this guy the way you can.
[01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:46.000]  I just got this friend of mine in Utah.
[01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:51.000]  They were having a mortgage issue, and I told them,
[01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  file judicial conduct complaints, file bar grievances.
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:59.000]  She filed 25 bar grievances, seven judicial conduct complaints.
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.000]  This is in the federal court.
[01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:04.000]  They got in front of the judge, and the judge told them,
[01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.000]  you two can have this courtroom all day.
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.000]  It sure is.
[01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.000]  I'm leaving.
[01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.000]  But when I come back tomorrow, he told the attorneys on the other side,
[01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  you will have made Ms. Burton an offer she cannot refuse.
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:26.000]  I do not want to see her face in my courtroom again.
[01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.000]  He couldn't do anything to her, but he could do something to the attorney
[01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:33.000]  on the other side.
[01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.000]  So we start hammering the judges and the prosecutors.
[01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:38.000]  We're going to get their attention.
[01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:43.000]  And that may be the only way you're going to beat this thing.
[01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.000]  Besides, it's fun.
[01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:53.000]  This is totally ridiculous how these guys function.
[01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.000]  And I looked over the videos at the end of the day,
[01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:02.000]  and when I asked the one cop how come they had to have so many guns out here,
[01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:06.000]  and he said, because of your violent history.
[01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.000]  And I said, what violent history?
[01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.000]  You hear a police sergeant in the face with a flashlight.
[01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:16.000]  I said, oh, that's what this is about, retaliation for my RICO suit
[01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.000]  against your employer.
[01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.000]  They just don't get it.
[01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:24.000]  I hope you got all that recorded.
[01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:25.000]  Yes, yes, I do.
[01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.000]  Good for you.
[01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.000]  I watched this.
[01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:36.000]  In fact, do you guys have any idea how I've got 1.4 gig of videos,
[01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.000]  and I want to send out to people like you guys
[01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:44.000]  and some other people that are interested.
[01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.000]  Wait, do you have it on YouTube?
[01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000]  No, I don't.
[01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.000]  Find the nice clips.
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.000]  If you have a video of you whacking the sergeant in the face with a flashlight,
[01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.000]  that would be nice to put on YouTube.
[01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:06.000]  Did you hear Rick from California last time he was on?
[01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:10.000]  Well, I didn't actually whack the policeman with a flashlight.
[01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:15.000]  He got up on the stand and testified that he didn't get hit with a flashlight.
[01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  See, that's just what this guy out here told me.
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:24.000]  Both times, both on the third and the first,
[01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.000]  they had automatic assault rifles pointed at me,
[01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:32.000]  and I've got several witnesses that saw the gun.
[01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.000]  No doubt about it.
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:41.000]  Did you hear Rick from California last time he was on?
[01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.000]  I probably did, but I don't recall.
[01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:48.000]  He's telling about going to court, and he's met by three bailiffs,
[01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:52.000]  one with a video camera, one with papers to serve on him,
[01:14:52.000 --> 01:15:00.000]  and the papers were forbidding him to record what went on in the court
[01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.000]  and putting it on YouTube.
[01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:07.000]  These guys hate YouTube.
[01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:11.000]  So if you've got video, you can do like a 10-minute.
[01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:17.000]  You go in and cut out 10-minute segments and paste them on YouTube.
[01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:22.000]  This will drive the other guys crazy.
[01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.000]  And make up your own.
[01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:28.000]  Explain what's going on and kind of explain to people,
[01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.000]  this is what you can expect from your officials.
[01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.000]  Name names, dates, put it on YouTube.
[01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:39.000]  It will drive these guys crazy.
[01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:43.000]  Get them a reason to want to make your case go away
[01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:47.000]  and stop you from being upset at them.
[01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:52.000]  Well, there's another way I want to look at this.
[01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  They don't like the idea of filing counterclaims in suits like this,
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:02.000]  and I kind of considered that 911 ticket a present from them,
[01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:09.000]  giving me the opportunity to file a negative impairment with an offer to cure
[01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  and a counter complaint in Admiralty.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:18.000]  And once I do that, then the judge cannot dismiss my counterclaim.
[01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:24.000]  He can dismiss the 911 charge, but he can't dismiss the counterclaim.
[01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.000]  Right.
[01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:26.000]  What do you think about that?
[01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:30.000]  I'm concerned about the Admiralty side.
[01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:35.000]  You know, with the research that I've done, I think Admiralty is really good
[01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:40.000]  because I can tie them down.
[01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  Okay, good.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.000]  We'll go to them back on the other side.
[01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:47.000]  But I would really like to see how you can get into Admiralty
[01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.000]  because my research shows that I can't,
[01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.000]  but I might have missed something I would like to be able to.
[01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:56.000]  This is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig.
[01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:03.000]  We'll be right back on the other side.
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[01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:35.000]  Okay, we are here taking your calls.
[01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:40.000]  We are speaking with Deloitte and then we're going to go to Gene in Wisconsin.
[01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:46.000]  Okay, Deloitte, you're kicking booty. We're very proud of you.
[01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:47.000]  We love you.
[01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:53.000]  I would have to say though I'm concerned about this Admiralty thing.
[01:20:53.000 --> 01:21:04.000]  And the only reason I say that is because I've watched a lot of people around me file these liens in this method.
[01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:11.000]  And yeah, they're sticking and the judges can't remove them, but there's a price to pay.
[01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.000]  There's a backlash.
[01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:14.000]  Yes.
[01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:21.000]  People are getting in trouble in other ways behind the scenes for doing these things.
[01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:24.000]  And personally I wouldn't do it.
[01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:28.000]  I don't think it's worth it because I don't think we need to go there.
[01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:34.000]  We have all the tools we need on the face of the law.
[01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:38.000]  And so that's just what I would say about it.
[01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:41.000]  That's just my opinion.
[01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:44.000]  First of all, I'm afraid of the liens.
[01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:49.000]  I'm afraid of those because if you do something wrong, you can end up in a lot of trouble.
[01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:56.000]  But what's a good part about those liens is you get into their pocket and there's nothing they can do to stop you.
[01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:03.000]  When they start having to double and triple their insurance premiums every month, they start squawking.
[01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:07.000]  And some of them, they take their bonds and they can no longer work.
[01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:08.000]  They can lose their job.
[01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.000]  I haven't done enough research on that to feel safe about it.
[01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:13.000]  Okay.
[01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.000]  Well, put it this way.
[01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.000]  Put it this way.
[01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:29.000]  If there's a situation where like say a judge loses his civil immunity for some reason because he made some ruling that was outside of subject matter jurisdiction
[01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:44.000]  and opened him or herself up to being sued personally and you can show it with a cause of action through civil litigation in regular court like jurisdictionary,
[01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:54.000]  you know, regular judicial proceedings and you get a judgment, either whatever, default judgment, summary judgment or, you know, through litigation you get a judgment.
[01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:59.000]  And so you've got a valid judgment in an above board manner.
[01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:10.000]  Well, then sure, then you've got every cause lawfully to file a lien against that individual's property.
[01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:17.000]  But just to go and just start filing liens, I don't know, I would not recommend it.
[01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:18.000]  That's all I'm going to say.
[01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:23.000]  And we don't give legal advice on this show anyway.
[01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:24.000]  Yeah.
[01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:26.000]  Well, I'll let you go to the next caller.
[01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.000]  I really appreciate your time tonight.
[01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:33.000]  And I'll be sending you guys an email on the last letter I wrote here a couple of days ago.
[01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:40.000]  And let me know if you see anything interesting in there that you want to tell me about.
[01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:41.000]  Okay.
[01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:46.000]  And thank you very much for everything you're doing for America.
[01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:47.000]  All right.
[01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.000]  Thank you, Deloitte, for everything you're doing.
[01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:50.000]  Okay.
[01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:51.000]  Bye-bye.
[01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:52.000]  Okay.
[01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.000]  Good night.
[01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.000]  Okay.
[01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:59.000]  We're going now to Gene in Wisconsin, chomping at the bit, waiting for a very long time.
[01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:01.000]  Thank you so much, Gene.
[01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.000]  What you got for us?
[01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.000]  What an introduction.
[01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.000]  Hi.
[01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:13.000]  Well, I kind of got in on the very tail end of the sovereignty thing.
[01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:22.000]  And I have to say that some of that stuff bothers me a little bit, the way the quote-unquote guardians are handling it.
[01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:24.000]  And I'm not so sure.
[01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:32.000]  But I think certain things are showing up here in other areas, too.
[01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:37.000]  Is anybody familiar with Rodney Dale Klass?
[01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.000]  Oh, wait, wait, wait.
[01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:41.000]  You said Rodney Klass?
[01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.000]  Yes.
[01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.000]  Oh, yeah.
[01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:44.000]  Okay.
[01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:49.000]  Well, he's, you know, shown, at least from what I know about it so far,
[01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:54.000]  I haven't had time to go through that half-inch thick of paperwork, okay.
[01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:59.000]  But he's shown that, you know, the courts are, in effect, administrative, you know,
[01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:09.000]  and the judiciary has never really authorized them to bring us in those courts as a defendant.
[01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:12.000]  Okay. And then, you know, which would make sense.
[01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:16.000]  I mean, you know, and then with regard to the sovereignty,
[01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:21.000]  I think that's where people are trying to draw the distinction, you know, between, you know,
[01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:26.000]  what is being under the government, if you will, as a citizen.
[01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:35.000]  And a citizen, of course, has no authority to, under the 14th Amendment, has no authority to contest the debt.
[01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:39.000]  It's right in the Constitution, you know, whereas on the other hand,
[01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:46.000]  if you look in the preamble, we the people do hereby ordain and establish,
[01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:52.000]  and you don't hear the word people mentioned anywhere else in that Constitution, for instance.
[01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.000]  Okay.
[01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:58.000]  And I'll just, I'd just like to run a couple things by you guys, all right.
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:01.000]  And this is, I don't know where this came from.
[01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:08.000]  I got it off of Thornton's site, after revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people,
[01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:16.000]  and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects,
[01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.000]  with none to govern but themselves.
[01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:27.000]  The citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens and as joint tenants in the sovereignty.
[01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:32.000]  You know, that impresses me that they're distinguishing between the democracy,
[01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.000]  where everybody can vote as a body politic,
[01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:42.000]  and the republic, where everybody has their individual rights, and that's Chris Holm versus Georgia.
[01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.000]  Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:47.000]  I think there may be a piece of information you don't have.
[01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.000]  Okay.
[01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:53.000]  Are you familiar with the Dred Scott decision?
[01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:57.000]  Probably not well enough to, you know, debate it with you.
[01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:07.000]  What it establishes is that sovereigns are not exactly we the people.
[01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:16.000]  That sovereigns are those who signed on to the revolution and their posterity.
[01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:20.000]  The rest of us are the citizens.
[01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:25.000]  You know, there were a lot of people in the country that didn't sign on to the revolution.
[01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:34.000]  And what Dred Scott establishes is that the sovereigns are those who actually signed on to the revolution
[01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.000]  and their posterity.
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:45.000]  If your forefathers didn't sign on to the revolution, you're a citizen but not a sovereign.
[01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:55.000]  When you read that case, that's where it sounded like they were making the distinction between a citizen and a sovereign.
[01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:59.000]  Well, that just proves once again that most judges should be drowned and hung in their own robes.
[01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:07.000]  Yeah, that doesn't really, I mean, you know, there's a lot that's not being said there.
[01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:16.000]  You know, I'd have to read up on that, you know, and study that more in depth.
[01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:23.000]  I got clobbered pretty hard over the sovereign issue and there seemed to be merit to it.
[01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:33.000]  But frankly, I didn't see much difference between a sovereign and a citizen.
[01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:39.000]  That's because they're not supposed to be any.
[01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.000]  I know. That's not what Dred Scott went to.
[01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:46.000]  They were saying there definitely was.
[01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:53.000]  Yeah, I think there's a problem with that because when the king signed off the jurisdiction, you know,
[01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:57.000]  basically that left everybody to their own.
[01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:03.000]  And unless, you know, somebody would have had to, you know, magically become a sovereign.
[01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.000]  I mean, this is just in my mind now.
[01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:09.000]  You know, once the king signs off, he was the original sovereign and who replaces it?
[01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.000]  Who becomes a sovereign at that point?
[01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:17.000]  You know, so the idea that the sovereignty devolves on the people makes sense to me
[01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.000]  just because of the course of events that happened in history.
[01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:27.000]  Yeah, I understand that it made sense, but there may be some more nuances to it.
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.000]  At all?
[01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:31.000]  It would annoy me if that was the case.
[01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:38.000]  I can understand why they would offer a special position to those who signed on
[01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:44.000]  that those who didn't receive. But I don't like it.
[01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:47.000]  Go get the Declaration of Independence and sign our name to it.
[01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:50.000]  Yeah.
[01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:53.000]  We're about to go to break.
[01:29:53.000 --> 01:30:02.000]  We'll be back in a few minutes on the other side.
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[01:31:39.000 --> 01:32:00.000]  And I just wanted to offer my take on the sovereignty citizenship thing, may seem a little backwards or opposite to what was being discussed, but it seems to me like as a sovereign, that's an innate inherent right, powers, etc.
[01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.000]  You are the sovereign.
[01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:16.000]  Okay, you have those rights because you're born with them, and as far as citizenship, well, that would be something that you would sign up for, but hey, that's just me.
[01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:17.000]  Okay.
[01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:24.000]  Well, that's the way I would expect it to be and hope it was that way, but just to come concerned, there's an indication it may not be.
[01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:26.000]  Okay, who's next?
[01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:29.000]  Well, I'm going to make it that way at least in my world.
[01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:38.000]  All right, we're going, we've got Danny from Illinois, Rob from Connecticut, Jessica, Jackie, we're going to Jessica in Texas.
[01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.000]  Jessica, thanks for holding.
[01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:45.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:48.000]  Jessica?
[01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.000]  Okay, Jessica dropped off the line.
[01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:54.000]  We are going to Danny in Illinois.
[01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:55.000]  Danny, thanks for calling in.
[01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:59.000]  Thank you.
[01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:13.000]  I just recently received a tax lien notice and I wanted to find out if you guys would be able to direct me in the proper manner to deal with this or if you can refer me to somebody else.
[01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.000]  But you received a what?
[01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:17.000]  A tax lien notice.
[01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.000]  Oh, tax lien.
[01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:21.000]  Eddie?
[01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.000]  What kind of taxes from what agency?
[01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:27.000]  This is for the federal income tax.
[01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:29.000]  Federal income tax.
[01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:31.000]  Goodie, goodie, goodie.
[01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:32.000]  All right.
[01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:39.000]  First thing is, did you go down and get a copy of the lien document?
[01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.000]  Okay.
[01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:48.000]  Second thing is, did the county clerk file it without verifying the document?
[01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:50.000]  And what state are you in, by the way?
[01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:51.000]  Illinois.
[01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.000]  Illinois, okay.
[01:33:53.000 --> 01:34:04.000]  The problem is if you take the federal tax lien notice and you read it, you'll find that the back of it begins with subsection B of that section of the code.
[01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.000]  Okay?
[01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:08.000]  That's intentional.
[01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:19.000]  If you look at subsection A of that section of the code, it specifically states that that tax lien notice is applicable only to federal employees.
[01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.000]  All right.
[01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:34.000]  So that means unless the county clerk has some information evidencing the fact that you're a federal employee, which as soon as you hand them an affidavit stating that is neither truth nor fact,
[01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:42.000]  and there's also particular requirements, and you have to look up Illinois law to see what goes along with that.
[01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:52.000]  But federal law says very specifically what is required to be filed with any lien to make it a valid federal lien.
[01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:57.000]  The IRS never, ever, ever does that.
[01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:02.000]  The only thing they file is their notice of lien, which is not a lien.
[01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:15.000]  It's just notice that they're telling you they can and will at some future date and time create such a lien, which they also never do.
[01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:16.000]  Okay.
[01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:19.000]  Have you looked at your master file?
[01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.000]  No, I have not.
[01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:27.000]  You need to check the master file and find out what your occupation code is in the master file.
[01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:29.000]  Where would I find that?
[01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:34.000]  You have to get a Freedom of Information Act request to the IRS to get it.
[01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:42.000]  You can get the master file, and then you need to get someone who knows how to read it to tell you where the occupation code is.
[01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:47.000]  You will probably be surprised at what you do for a living.
[01:35:47.000 --> 01:36:00.000]  I've got a guy here in Austin that thought he was a state farm insurance agent, but it turns out he's a narcotics salesman in the Virgin Islands.
[01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:04.000]  So when they say, how do I come under the tax code?
[01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:13.000]  Well, they give you this employment code that makes you either a resident of one of the territories or a federal employee.
[01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:18.000]  It's fraud on its face.
[01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:19.000]  Go ahead, Randy.
[01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:29.000]  You need to attack the veracity of that code and petition to have it changed so that it doesn't reflect you as a taxpayer.
[01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.000]  Yeah.
[01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:34.000]  Have you heard of the book Cracking the Code?
[01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:35.000]  Yes.
[01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:36.000]  Okay.
[01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:37.000]  You need to read that.
[01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:44.000]  It gives you specifically the things that do and do not apply and exactly what sections deal with it the whole nine yards.
[01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.000]  It will tell you everything you need to know in this regard.
[01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:57.000]  And it will even tell you exactly how you go about filing whatever corrective paperwork you put in in the past, if any,
[01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:05.000]  that shows very clearly how to solve this problem because on the amended returns or whatever it is that you have to do in this case,
[01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.000]  it's going to fix that.
[01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.000]  All right.
[01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:17.000]  Would this also work on a past tax lien that they've already taken?
[01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:19.000]  Actually, yes, it would.
[01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:29.000]  Now, the other thing you've got to understand is, first off, in order for a lien to be valid, there has to be a valid IRS assessment.
[01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:33.000]  Have you ever received an IRS assessment?
[01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:34.000]  Yes, I have.
[01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:35.000]  You have?
[01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:40.000]  Well, tomorrow, I think it was more of a notice of deficiency.
[01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.000]  That's not an assessment.
[01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:44.000]  Okay, that's the only thing I remember getting.
[01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:47.000]  Not even close.
[01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:50.000]  An assessment is something else they almost never, ever do.
[01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.000]  Exactly.
[01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000]  If you'll send me an email, I will forward it to Lou Watson.
[01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:00.000]  He's my resident tax expert.
[01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:01.000]  Okay.
[01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:07.000]  He may get in touch with you.
[01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:09.000]  Okay.
[01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:14.000]  But he can probably help you better than we can because we specialize in other areas.
[01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:17.000]  Lou Watson specializes in tax issues.
[01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:33.000]  Yes, and I can also add that when it comes to federal liens, there are special statutes, a uniform code of federal liens that's accepted by all states.
[01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:55.000]  And it basically trumps all state laws and county ordinances and such regarding the procedures and processes that have to be adhered to when it comes to what's necessary to perfect the filing of a lien.
[01:38:55.000 --> 01:39:03.000]  So I would recommend looking that up.
[01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:04.000]  Okay, I sure will.
[01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:21.000]  I mean, I'm not saying that it's lawful or constitutional or anything, but I'm just saying there is a uniform code that's basically been adopted by all the states regarding the filing of federal liens.
[01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:28.000]  Yeah, just remember, IRS actually stands for I'm Really Stupid.
[01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:36.000]  And so I'm going to do to you everything I think I can get away with because I trust that you don't know any better.
[01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:38.000]  Well, I guess most of the time that's the case.
[01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:40.000]  Well, that's exactly the case.
[01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:41.000]  That's where you guys come in.
[01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:43.000]  You're helping everybody out.
[01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:48.000]  Yeah, you get this all fixed and we'll help you sue them really good.
[01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:52.000]  You do all the work and we'll help you along.
[01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:53.000]  Okay, just kidding.
[01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:54.000]  Thanks, Danny.
[01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:55.000]  Thank you.
[01:39:55.000 --> 01:40:01.000]  Okay, we're going now to Rob in Connecticut.
[01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:05.000]  Hey, can you hear me okay because you guys are sounding weird on this end.
[01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:08.000]  Oh, that's just a natural thing for us.
[01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:11.000]  Yeah, I think so.
[01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:18.000]  Okay, well, I just wanted to revisit the sovereignty issue you were just discussing in Dred Scott.
[01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:19.000]  Go ahead.
[01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:29.000]  Now, after Dred Scott's decision, then they came out with the 13th and 14th Amendments after the Civil War.
[01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:40.000]  And the 13th Amendment deals with involuntary servitude, and then the 14th Amendment deals with citizenship.
[01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.000]  They go hand in hand.
[01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:52.000]  And in the 14th Amendment, you have to volunteer to be a citizen.
[01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:59.000]  So if you never volunteer, then you remain sovereign, but you have to assert that.
[01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.000]  And I carry around this little thing in my wallet that says,
[01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:06.000]  I never volunteered to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
[01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:11.000]  which combines the 13th and 14th Amendments into one sentence stating my position,
[01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:15.000]  that I never volunteered to be a citizen of the United States
[01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:25.000]  and to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof of anyone claiming to be representing the United States.
[01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:27.000]  Let me ask you something, Rob.
[01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:37.000]  You were just saying that you have to volunteer to be a citizen, but yet you still have to opt out of it.
[01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:42.000]  So is it considered that you automatically are unless you opt out of it,
[01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:48.000]  or is it considered that you're neither one unless you choose sides?
[01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:55.000]  I mean, how can it be voluntary if they assume that you are unless you opt out of it?
[01:41:55.000 --> 01:42:07.000]  To me, that wouldn't fit the description of voluntarily taking an action.
[01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:17.000]  Well, the 13th Amendment says involuntary servitude shall not exist.
[01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:20.000]  So what's the opposite of involuntary servitude?
[01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.000]  It's voluntary servitude.
[01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:27.000]  So in order to be under the servitude of another, in that case you'd have to volunteer.
[01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:34.000]  So if you never volunteer and if you assert that you are of the posterity of the,
[01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:39.000]  of we the people who originally drafted the Constitution,
[01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:43.000]  because it says we the people for ourselves and our posterity,
[01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:49.000]  okay, well, you were born here and say, yeah, I'm the posterity and I have these rights,
[01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  and when it comes down to the 13th Amendment, first of all,
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.000]  I'm not volunteering to be under your servitude.
[01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.000]  So I'm not going to be subject to involuntary servitude.
[01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:02.000]  And I'm not, and once you state that, well, yeah, I'm a U.S. citizen,
[01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:15.000]  okay, then that means you volunteered to be under their jurisdiction.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:29.000]  Okay, so I guess my question is does one have to assert that Heishi has not volunteered
[01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:35.000]  in order to make it clear that that human has not volunteered?
[01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:39.000]  I mean, do you understand where I'm going with this?
[01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:46.000]  I mean, we shouldn't have to say I claim my right.
[01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:51.000]  I shouldn't have to say I'm not volunteering into this.
[01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:59.000]  It should be automatic that it's not the case unless I say I'm volunteering into it.
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[01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:53.000]  Okay, we're coming into the homestretch here on the Rule of Law.
[01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:56.000]  We've got Rob from Connecticut, Gary and others.
[01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:01.000]  We're going to take your calls in this final segment.
[01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:09.000]  And I guess just another bit of ideological debate or discussion.
[01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.000]  Thanks to Rob for bringing it up.
[01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:14.000]  And we were talking about it on the break.
[01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:19.000]  Even the courts have ruled, apparently, according to Randy,
[01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:29.000]  that unless you assert you're right, they assume you have waived them.
[01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:37.000]  And so that goes back to what I was saying before the break concerning if you have to voluntarily opt
[01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:43.000]  into citizenship or voluntarily opt into waiving your rights or whatever,
[01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:52.000]  if that's a voluntary action, then how can they assume you've already taken that action
[01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:55.000]  if you haven't said you've taken that action?
[01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:58.000]  Oh, but they defy the laws of logic.
[01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:02.000]  They defy all rules of physics and mankind.
[01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:07.000]  And they just assume that you have voluntarily waived your rights
[01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:13.000]  and taken those options unless you say, no, I have not.
[01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:21.000]  So then what's their definition of the word voluntary done jive with mine?
[01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:25.000]  So anyways, I disagree.
[01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.000]  I totally disagree.
[01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:31.000]  I'm going to fight against it with every fiber of my being.
[01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:34.000]  If I have my rights, then that's the way it is.
[01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:38.000]  And I shouldn't have to say, yes, oh, I assert my rights.
[01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:45.000]  And they just assume I waived them unless I say otherwise, no, no.
[01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:47.000]  And I agree with your disagreement.
[01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:49.000]  Okay, we'll get this way.
[01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:52.000]  Look at the United States as a private club.
[01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:55.000]  And if you never joined that private club,
[01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:58.000]  but they're claiming that you are a member of that private club,
[01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:02.000]  the burden of proof is on them to prove that you are a member, that you did join it,
[01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.000]  you are a member of that club.
[01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:06.000]  And you say, no, no, no, no, wait a second.
[01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:08.000]  I'm a sovereign.
[01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:10.000]  I never joined your club.
[01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.000]  I'm of the posterity of we the people,
[01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:21.000]  and I never volunteered to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof of the United States.
[01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:23.000]  And they have to prove it.
[01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:27.000]  And then let them show you how that you are a citizen
[01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:32.000]  and that you are a subject to their jurisdiction.
[01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:33.000]  Well, there you go.
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:38.000]  If they have some cause of action or if they have an attempt at the cause of action,
[01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:43.000]  then, yes, the burden of proof is on them.
[01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:49.000]  If they're trying to get something, yes, burden of proof is on them, absolutely.
[01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:52.000]  Okay, so I'll let you go and let you chew on that and let some other calls in.
[01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:55.000]  All right, thanks, Rob.
[01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:04.000]  Okay, we are going now to Gary in Georgia and then Jeff in Maryland.
[01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:05.000]  Gary, thanks for calling in.
[01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:07.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:11.000]  I would like to discuss the so-called liens and levies.
[01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:20.000]  First, before anyone can have a lien on anything, there must be a nexus between the parties.
[01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:24.000]  That's been in all obligations to another rise either by contract or tort.
[01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:31.000]  And since the federal tax issue is a statutory, you'd have to be a creature,
[01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:36.000]  a statute being, say, a taxpayer as defined by statute.
[01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:40.000]  That's never been defined.
[01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:47.000]  And so Andy and I are right on point between privileges and rights.
[01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.000]  Rights come from God.
[01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:51.000]  Privileges come from who?
[01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:54.000]  The creator of that right.
[01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:57.000]  And, therefore, you're not a taxpayer.
[01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:03.000]  So, therefore, the tax issue, and I've said it several times, is really it's over.
[01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:04.000]  Why is it over?
[01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:10.000]  Because everyone has a right to privacy and be left alone, peaceful ownership of his property
[01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.000]  without tortures that appear for another.
[01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:22.000]  So they have to show you by the Privacy Act statement, even by a statutory right of Privacy Act,
[01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:30.000]  five years C, Section 552, Little A, and even Section 7 of the Act,
[01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:37.000]  Organic Act itself, Lead Slave Act, says that cannot give out your Social Security number.
[01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:41.000]  So they have to show that they have a legal right to even bother you,
[01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.000]  and they give you this in a form called Form 609.
[01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:58.000]  Now, legal right to ask information is 6011, 6012, and 6011, 601, 6012, and what?
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.000]  Their regulation.
[01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:06.000]  Well, ladies and gentlemen, there are no substantive regulations published in the Federal Register
[01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:12.000]  that would affect mine and your substantive right to be a legislative regulation
[01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.000]  to enforce the fact of law.
[01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:19.000]  Since 1953 until today, there are none.
[01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:25.000]  They say the authority for the regulation of the CFR is 17805,
[01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:36.000]  Section 26 U.S.C., Section 17805 says the enforcement authority is on the Secretary and Tax Court,
[01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:43.000]  the Supreme Court, all the other courts will say that that's an interpret regulation,
[01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:51.000]  meaning that's what the individual for that particular agency says has no force effective law.
[01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:59.000]  So they can't be lean, and on the local level, you've got identity theft,
[01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:08.000]  you've got disclosure of Social Security numbers again, just fraud all over everywhere.
[01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:10.000]  So thank you very much.
[01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:11.000]  Thanks, Gary.
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:19.000]  Can you email me what you were deciding concerning the federal regulations having no force
[01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:20.000]  and effective law?
[01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:25.000]  Oh, absolutely, 17805, and how many times do you want it?
[01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:26.000]  More or less, Deborah.
[01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:27.000]  Okay, thanks.
[01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:28.000]  Thanks, Gary.
[01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:31.000]  So I'm trying to be quick.
[01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:34.000]  I always try to give other people their time.
[01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:35.000]  Absolutely.
[01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:41.000]  But he understands the difference in regulations.
[01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:43.000]  He's got housekeeping regulations.
[01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:44.000]  I was talking about liaisons.
[01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:45.000]  Right.
[01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:46.000]  This is 301 regulation.
[01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:53.000]  The housekeeping regulations mean they apply to them, and you'll find it in Chrysler v.
[01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:54.000]  Brown.
[01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.000]  Exactly.
[01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.000]  It has nothing to do with the statute.
[01:52:57.000 --> 01:52:58.000]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:00.000]  It has nothing to do with the people.
[01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:06.000]  So the court in these counties supposed to exercise a due care.
[01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:14.000]  That's the minimum part of court law, because not just negligently telling them it's wrong,
[01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:20.000]  it gets to be punitive, damn it, just because it was willful.
[01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:21.000]  Absolutely.
[01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:22.000]  I don't care.
[01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:24.000]  Okay, Gary, let me take one more call.
[01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:25.000]  Okay.
[01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:26.000]  Sure.
[01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:27.000]  Email me that stuff.
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:28.000]  Okay, thanks.
[01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:29.000]  All right.
[01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:30.000]  We've got a few minutes left.
[01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.000]  We're going to Jeff in Maryland.
[01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:34.000]  Jeff, thanks for holding.
[01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:35.000]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:36.000]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:39.000]  Good evening, Deborah, Eddie, and Randy.
[01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:44.000]  I wanted to ask Randy a question, are you live or are you muted, Randy?
[01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:46.000]  I'm unmuted at the moment.
[01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:47.000]  Great.
[01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:53.000]  How many posterities named in the Declaration of Independence do you know?
[01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:54.000]  I have no idea.
[01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:59.000]  Well, I know you know one.
[01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:01.000]  They talk about people's posterities?
[01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:06.000]  Is the posterity named in the Declaration of Independence?
[01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:08.000]  Oh, there is?
[01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:09.000]  I don't know about it.
[01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:10.000]  Yeah.
[01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:11.000]  Me.
[01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:12.000]  Where are we going here?
[01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:15.000]  Yeah, me.
[01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:18.000]  I am.
[01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:20.000]  Did you hear that at Randy?
[01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:23.000]  Yeah, I heard I am, but I didn't get it.
[01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:30.000]  I am a posterity named in the Declaration of Independence.
[01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:31.000]  Okay, go ahead, Jeff.
[01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:33.000]  I think I missed something there.
[01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.000]  We've got about three minutes left.
[01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:42.000]  Okay, when Gary is just talking about the right to privacy and to be left alone,
[01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.000]  a lot of people are going to say, well, that's not in the Constitution.
[01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:46.000]  Yes, it is.
[01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:47.000]  It's under the Ninth Amendment.
[01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:53.000]  It is one of your unenumerated rights.
[01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:57.000]  Also, Randy, did you read that case in Tennessee against Mears?
[01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:00.000]  Yes, I did.
[01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.000]  Sued him quite tam.
[01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:04.000]  Right.
[01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:08.000]  I think he's also in there as a private attorney general as well.
[01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:12.000]  Yeah, because he's suing for those others similarly situated.
[01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:15.000]  For those listening who don't know what a quite tam suit is,
[01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:20.000]  that's where you sue to recover misappropriated funds.
[01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:25.000]  In this case, this guy sued all of the lenders in Tennessee who used Mears
[01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:30.000]  because they registered the sale of the security instrument with Mears
[01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:34.000]  under the county clerk where they were required to by law,
[01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:38.000]  and he maintained that they denied the county clerk the filing fee,
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:40.000]  and he sued to recover.
[01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:47.000]  And it goes into the millions of dollars on a per-state basis.
[01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:49.000]  Yeah, that was nicely done.
[01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:55.000]  I think he said that they looted the county treasuries throughout the United States
[01:55:55.000 --> 01:56:02.000]  at somewhere in the amount of $2.5 billion just in transfer fees.
[01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:09.000]  And they also hid the current holder in due course
[01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:15.000]  or the real party in interest on the promissory notes.
[01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:18.000]  Yes, they did conceal that.
[01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:24.000]  So that case is going to be a landmark decision if it goes through and they affirm,
[01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.000]  because it names virtually every primary element of fraud that Mears was engaged with
[01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:35.000]  along with just those six banks, I think it was, that were listed there.
[01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:41.000]  You didn't go into all the other possible banks such as AIM, PNC, HSBC,
[01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:44.000]  and some of the other very large banks.
[01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:51.000]  Yeah, but everybody, if this guy wins, everybody sticks to it.
[01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:55.000]  Oh, you see 50 states getting right on that one.
[01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:58.000]  Biggest tar baby in history.
[01:56:58.000 --> 01:56:59.000]  Pardon?
[01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:02.000]  I said the biggest tar baby in history.
[01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:04.000]  Oh, yes.
[01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:09.000]  Every lender out there is going to stick to this tar baby because they all use Mears.
[01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:16.000]  For those who don't know what Mears is, the Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Wells Fargo Chase,
[01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:20.000]  and a number of the other big banks got together and put together this company
[01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:26.000]  where you could register the sale of securities instead of having to go file each one
[01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.000]  with the clerk of the court.
[01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:31.000]  The Supreme Court in Kansas said,
[01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:38.000]  they told the Supreme Court there that the practice was archaic, cumbersome, and costly.
[01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.000]  And the court said, yes, it is archaic, cumbersome, and costly,
[01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:48.000]  but you'll have to take that up with the legislature as it's required by statute,
[01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.000]  as it is in most states.
[01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.000]  Yes, it is.
[01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:56.000]  And that's what the Qui Tam action went to, was to recover the fees,
[01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:00.000]  but it was really to indict the practice.
[01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.000]  And the guy did a nice job.
[01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000]  Oh, did he ever.
[01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:08.000]  I think they're selling like about 40 different causes of actions within the filing.
[01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.000]  I'll have to study that one.
[01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.000]  Yeah.
[01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:17.000]  And if you get a chance to, here's the music, so I'll ring off and talk to you later.
[01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:18.000]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:19.000]  You're welcome.
[01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:21.000]  Thank you, Jeff.
[01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:22.000]  Okay, go ahead.
[01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:23.000]  No, go ahead.
[01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.000]  That was a really great suit.
[01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:29.000]  Someone sent it to me, and it was excellent.
[01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:34.000]  It's helping to throw the lenders to the wolves.
[01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:43.000]  Okay, well, I want to hear more about it on Monday, next week.
[01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:49.000]  Okay, this is Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig, rule of law.
[01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:52.000]  We're about over for this edition.
[01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:57.000]  Thank you all for listening, and we'll be back Monday.
[01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:14.000]  Thanks, folks. Good night.
[01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:54.000]  Good night, everybody.
[01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:58.000]  Good night.