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[00:00.000 --> 00:04.400]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.400 --> 00:10.000]  Antifadar Kanbar, a member of Iraq's National Alliance, has warned that the U.S. may attempt
[00:10.000 --> 00:13.280]  to manipulate the results of the country's general elections.
[00:13.280 --> 00:17.540]  Kanbar said, quote, we are afraid there is some sort of American intervention inside
[00:17.540 --> 00:21.660]  the Electoral Commission, maybe altering those numbers.
[00:21.660 --> 00:26.740]  The House of Representatives Wednesday rejected an effort by anti-war lawmakers to force a
[00:26.740 --> 00:31.240]  withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by the end of the year.
[00:31.240 --> 00:39.320]  Sixty-five lawmakers, mostly Democrats, voted for the resolution, while 356 voted against.
[00:39.320 --> 00:45.600]  A U.N. official says 90 Hutu Rwandan rebels were killed in eastern Congo during a two-week
[00:45.600 --> 00:49.760]  Congolese army operation supported by U.N. peacekeepers.
[00:49.760 --> 00:54.000]  Hutu rebels are blamed for killing hundreds of villagers in eastern Congo.
[00:54.000 --> 00:58.320]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:58.320 --> 01:03.600]  According to the journal Science, huge quantities of methane below the Arctic seabed are showing
[01:03.600 --> 01:06.120]  signs of destabilizing.
[01:06.120 --> 01:10.080]  Scientists aboard Russian icebreakers have discovered that methane is leaking from the
[01:10.080 --> 01:14.720]  sub-sea permafrost far faster than previously estimated.
[01:14.720 --> 01:19.880]  The discovery is raising concerns that climatic tipping points may have already been reached.
[01:19.880 --> 01:25.280]  Although methane is 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas, emissions
[01:25.280 --> 01:30.480]  from sub-sea permafrost are not included in climate change models.
[01:30.480 --> 01:36.560]  Research Professor Natalia Shakova of the University of Alaska said, quote, the sub-sea permafrost
[01:36.560 --> 01:42.960]  should act as a cap or seal, preventing leakage, adding, quote, beneath it, methane has accumulated
[01:42.960 --> 01:49.300]  at high pressure, but the permafrost is losing its ability to be an impermeable cap.
[01:49.300 --> 01:54.440]  The permafrost that covers vast tracts of the far north is thawing, steadily adding
[01:54.440 --> 01:56.320]  methane to the atmosphere.
[01:56.320 --> 02:00.120]  The Arctic has warmed at about twice the rate of the rest of the planet.
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[02:04.320 --> 02:09.640]  The European Parliament Wednesday urged its 27 member states to monitor the Israeli and
[02:09.640 --> 02:15.080]  Palestinian probes into alleged war crimes committed during the Gaza conflict.
[02:15.080 --> 02:21.200]  The Parliament's resolution backed the findings of a UN panel chaired by Judge Richard Goldstone,
[02:21.200 --> 02:26.360]  which concluded both sides committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity.
[02:26.360 --> 02:29.280]  The US, however, has rejected the same report.
[02:29.280 --> 02:33.920]  The parliamentary move, which would give the EU an unprecedented role in evaluating the
[02:33.920 --> 02:39.440]  progress of Israel's war crimes probe, was sharply criticized by Israel.
[02:39.440 --> 02:45.000]  In December, the EU accused Israel of trying to divide the bloc to stop it from passing
[02:45.000 --> 02:50.320]  a resolution calling for Jerusalem to be the shared capital of Israel and for a future
[02:50.320 --> 02:52.160]  Palestinian state.
[02:52.160 --> 03:20.720]  The measure was adopted despite Israel's opposition.
[03:20.720 --> 03:25.800]  We know the official story is impossible, so we set about scientifically to cover the
[03:25.800 --> 03:28.800]  hypothesis and then to test that.
[03:28.800 --> 03:35.000]  All right, we've been searching for the truth so far, we've been truthless, we don't mean
[03:35.000 --> 03:41.720]  to be ruthless, I do, it was a ten second free fall, that's what I saw, that's what
[03:41.720 --> 03:50.400]  you saw, that's what everybody saw, ten second free fall, official story, don't make a lick
[03:50.400 --> 03:55.080]  of sense at all, it was a ten second free fall, where were the bill makers are brought
[03:55.080 --> 04:01.560]  down by controlled demolition, it was controlled demolition, concrete engines find us, that's
[04:01.560 --> 04:09.640]  a hell of a transition, from controlled demolition, they believe in fairytale, that's a 9-1-1
[04:09.640 --> 04:16.360]  commission, but not controlled demolition, well I would just ignore that idiot, I see
[04:16.360 --> 04:31.120]  that piece of shite, yeah!
[04:31.120 --> 04:40.600]  I ain't no rocket scientist, but I got two good eyes and I can see right through your
[04:40.600 --> 04:41.600]  trip.
[04:41.600 --> 04:47.240]  I ain't no rocket scientist, you can't change the laws of nature, you can't change the laws
[04:47.240 --> 04:48.240]  of physics.
[04:48.240 --> 04:51.720]  I don't need to be a rocket scientist.
[04:51.720 --> 04:57.760]  Professor Stephen Jones, he has a doctorate in physics and he has now gotten samples,
[04:57.760 --> 05:02.240]  they've taken the samples, they've done scientific tests on them.
[05:02.240 --> 05:07.320]  Professor Jones just doesn't find evidence of thermite, they find the byproducts of thermate
[05:07.320 --> 05:10.920]  patented for specific use in cutting steel columns.
[05:10.920 --> 05:13.920]  The hair on the back of my neck is standing up.
[05:13.920 --> 05:19.920]  Ten second free fall, that's what everybody saw.
[05:19.920 --> 05:26.920]  Ten second free fall, feels like my best friend just about to punch me up out of my jaw with
[05:26.920 --> 05:27.920]  a ten second free fall.
[05:27.920 --> 05:32.920]  The ground breaking test, why don't you tell us about it?
[05:32.920 --> 05:39.520]  Yeah, so I was rather surprised when we did the analysis with the amount of sulfur, and
[05:39.520 --> 05:44.880]  sulfur added to thermite, it's called thermite, and that is used specifically to cut through
[05:44.880 --> 05:45.880]  steel.
[05:45.880 --> 05:50.880]  I mean, when you put sulfur in thermite, whammo, that's like a hot knife through butter.
[05:50.880 --> 06:00.880]  Six point five seven, collapse of building seven.
[06:00.880 --> 06:03.880]  The man wants to cut to his fruition.
[06:03.880 --> 06:05.880]  He's in control demolition.
[06:05.880 --> 06:08.880]  6.57, collapse of Building 7.
[06:08.880 --> 06:10.880]  Search on Building 7.
[06:10.880 --> 06:14.880]  And it might turn out that it's your own neck that you are saving.
[06:14.880 --> 06:17.880]  Do a search on Building 7.
[06:17.880 --> 06:21.880]  It might turn out that it's your republic that you're saving.
[06:21.880 --> 06:24.880]  Do a search on Building 7.
[06:24.880 --> 06:29.880]  We looked at the free fall compared to the fall of Building 7.
[06:29.880 --> 06:31.880]  They're almost the same.
[06:31.880 --> 06:33.880]  When I saw the collapse of Building 7,
[06:33.880 --> 06:35.880]  I said to myself, that is true.
[06:35.880 --> 06:36.880]  I'd never seen it before.
[06:36.880 --> 06:39.880]  You know, collapse that late afternoon, it was never hit by a jet.
[06:39.880 --> 06:41.880]  But here it comes, straight down.
[06:41.880 --> 06:43.880]  I don't see any raging inferno in this building,
[06:43.880 --> 06:46.880]  but I do see it fall straight down.
[06:46.880 --> 07:11.880]  Real investigation, that's what we need, so we can take back our nation.
[07:11.880 --> 07:16.880]  Real investigation, that's what 10 seconds free fall,
[07:16.880 --> 07:20.880]  so I want you all to call out for a real investigation.
[07:20.880 --> 07:23.880]  If you've ever had a wood-burning stove,
[07:23.880 --> 07:26.880]  but you've never had that puppy melt on you, I dare say.
[07:26.880 --> 07:31.880]  Alright, if you've ever had a wood-burning stove,
[07:31.880 --> 07:35.880]  you'll notice that it's never melted on you
[07:35.880 --> 07:38.880]  with temperatures that were approximately the same
[07:38.880 --> 07:42.880]  as were the fires in the buildings that day.
[07:42.880 --> 07:47.880]  That's our band, our song Three Shoes Posse with 10 Second Free Fall,
[07:47.880 --> 07:51.880]  and I'm playing that tonight because we have a very special guest,
[07:51.880 --> 07:56.880]  Mr. Ron Avery from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
[07:56.880 --> 07:59.880]  Ron, thank you for joining us tonight.
[07:59.880 --> 08:00.880]  Welcome to the show.
[08:00.880 --> 08:01.880]  Hey, you're welcome.
[08:01.880 --> 08:02.880]  Glad to be on.
[08:02.880 --> 08:03.880]  This is awesome.
[08:03.880 --> 08:07.880]  We have Ron on this evening because we're making the announcement
[08:07.880 --> 08:12.880]  that Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth is holding a press conference
[08:12.880 --> 08:16.880]  and seminar at the Devil Tree Hotel here in Austin, Texas,
[08:16.880 --> 08:20.880]  next Saturday, March 20th.
[08:20.880 --> 08:22.880]  Ron is hosting the event.
[08:22.880 --> 08:24.880]  He's going to be one of the main presenters.
[08:24.880 --> 08:30.880]  He's got diagrams, models, videos, slideshows, you name it,
[08:30.880 --> 08:33.880]  and he's going to be hosting the event.
[08:33.880 --> 08:34.880]  We're going to be participating.
[08:34.880 --> 08:39.880]  We're going to be broadcasting the event live on the air, the entire event.
[08:39.880 --> 08:43.880]  Randy and I will be there, and also special guest speakers.
[08:43.880 --> 08:45.880]  Ron, from what I understand,
[08:45.880 --> 08:51.880]  you've managed to get Alex Jones is going to be one of the speakers at the event.
[08:51.880 --> 09:00.880]  Yes, he's agreed to be there from 3.30 to 4 p.m. on Saturday the 20th,
[09:00.880 --> 09:03.880]  and so we look forward to hearing from him.
[09:03.880 --> 09:05.880]  Absolutely.
[09:05.880 --> 09:08.880]  Now, tell us a little bit about this presentation.
[09:08.880 --> 09:10.880]  What can folks expect?
[09:10.880 --> 09:13.880]  What are we going to find out?
[09:13.880 --> 09:15.880]  Give us a little preview.
[09:15.880 --> 09:17.880]  Well, okay.
[09:17.880 --> 09:20.880]  First of all, let me just cover who all the speakers are going to be
[09:20.880 --> 09:23.880]  and what their topics will be.
[09:23.880 --> 09:27.880]  This will not cover anything related to the Pentagon.
[09:27.880 --> 09:34.880]  As architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth really don't deal with the Pentagon,
[09:34.880 --> 09:39.880]  what happened there, they deal only with what happened at the World Trade Center
[09:39.880 --> 09:43.880]  and the evidence that's been uncovered there.
[09:43.880 --> 09:47.880]  I'm the only architect in the group,
[09:47.880 --> 09:51.880]  but one of the other speakers is Dr. Almon Hayes.
[09:51.880 --> 09:59.880]  He is an environmental engineer, and he has an undergraduate degree in chemistry.
[09:59.880 --> 10:06.880]  He will present the material related to nanothermite that was found,
[10:06.880 --> 10:08.880]  and so that should be really good.
[10:08.880 --> 10:17.880]  He will also talk about the probability of all the things that occurred on 9-11 in 2001
[10:17.880 --> 10:26.880]  on one site there of all the kinds of things that defied physics happening in one day there.
[10:26.880 --> 10:29.880]  Also, we'll have Dr. Robert Bowman.
[10:29.880 --> 10:36.880]  He's a retired Air Force colonel, and he was head of Star Wars under Reagan,
[10:36.880 --> 10:41.880]  and he will talk about the 9-11 Commission Report.
[10:41.880 --> 10:44.880]  He calls it the O-Mission Report.
[10:44.880 --> 10:47.880]  I think that's kind of funny.
[10:47.880 --> 10:53.880]  Then he'll also talk about corporations related to the 9-11,
[10:53.880 --> 10:59.880]  or the wars that have come about after 9-11.
[10:59.880 --> 11:03.880]  Then Derek Johnson, he will be speaking.
[11:03.880 --> 11:05.880]  He's actually an engineer in training,
[11:05.880 --> 11:10.880]  but he has joined the 9-11 Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth,
[11:10.880 --> 11:14.880]  and he makes a lot of presentations around in Texas,
[11:14.880 --> 11:22.880]  and I've seen one that he did in North of Dallas in Plano,
[11:22.880 --> 11:25.880]  and he did a pretty good job of that.
[11:25.880 --> 11:33.880]  He's mainly going to cover the 47-story World Trade Center No. 7,
[11:33.880 --> 11:38.880]  that a portion of it fell at freefall speed and what that really means.
[11:38.880 --> 11:44.880]  He also has a background in foundry, which a lot of people didn't know.
[11:44.880 --> 11:48.880]  That means he's into metals and how metals respond
[11:48.880 --> 11:52.880]  and at what temperatures and what they're made out of.
[11:52.880 --> 11:55.880]  So that's interesting, too.
[11:55.880 --> 11:58.880]  Then we'll also show part of the,
[11:58.880 --> 12:05.880]  we'll show videos of part of the 9-11 press conference,
[12:05.880 --> 12:08.880]  Architects and Engineers 9-11 press conference,
[12:08.880 --> 12:12.880]  that was held in San Francisco on February the 19th
[12:12.880 --> 12:22.880]  by the founder of 9-11 Truth, Architects and Engineers, Richard Gage.
[12:22.880 --> 12:29.880]  We'll also see some of the video they did of the speech of Stephen Jones
[12:29.880 --> 12:33.880]  and a fireman named Eric Lawyer,
[12:33.880 --> 12:37.880]  who was part of it and went to that press conference.
[12:37.880 --> 12:41.880]  Anyway, so we do have some good speakers lined up,
[12:41.880 --> 12:43.880]  and I think you're going to really enjoy it.
[12:43.880 --> 12:46.880]  Now let me tell you a guess about my main thing,
[12:46.880 --> 12:54.880]  is I focused on the Twin Towers and how those are really constructed.
[12:54.880 --> 12:59.880]  And even though it's been this long since it all happened,
[12:59.880 --> 13:03.880]  I have just now begun to really analyze everything
[13:03.880 --> 13:07.880]  in terms of the structure of the way that building was built.
[13:07.880 --> 13:12.880]  And I'm amazed that there has not been more commotion
[13:12.880 --> 13:18.880]  about the collapse of that building because just the construction methods
[13:18.880 --> 13:25.880]  and the way it was put together is like a plane running into a mountain.
[13:25.880 --> 13:30.880]  And I'm going to be able to prove that by showing diagrams
[13:30.880 --> 13:35.880]  of how that building was actually put together.
[13:35.880 --> 13:37.880]  This is fantastic, Ron.
[13:37.880 --> 13:38.880]  I am so excited.
[13:38.880 --> 13:40.880]  I can't wait to see this.
[13:40.880 --> 13:43.880]  I remember several years ago, I believe it was in 2006,
[13:43.880 --> 13:48.880]  my husband Jerry and I, we went to the American Scholars Symposium
[13:48.880 --> 13:51.880]  out in Los Angeles.
[13:51.880 --> 13:53.880]  That was almost four years ago,
[13:53.880 --> 13:56.880]  and there was so much information at the time.
[13:56.880 --> 13:58.880]  It was just almost overwhelming.
[13:58.880 --> 14:02.880]  And now there has been, I mean, it's four years later.
[14:02.880 --> 14:05.880]  There's been so much more research that has been done,
[14:05.880 --> 14:08.880]  and the architects and engineers for 9-11 TruthNow,
[14:08.880 --> 14:11.880]  and you guys have just done tremendous work.
[14:11.880 --> 14:14.880]  I really applaud and congratulate you.
[14:14.880 --> 14:17.880]  We all thank you very much.
[14:17.880 --> 14:18.880]  You're welcome.
[14:18.880 --> 14:24.880]  One thing is that we are required to maintain our license in Texas
[14:24.880 --> 14:27.880]  of eight hours of continuing education,
[14:27.880 --> 14:29.880]  and we normally have to do,
[14:29.880 --> 14:33.880]  it has to be in areas of handicap requirements
[14:33.880 --> 14:38.880]  and various things that the state feels is beneficial to the public
[14:38.880 --> 14:40.880]  in terms of health and welfare.
[14:40.880 --> 14:44.880]  And I thought, what would be more beneficial to the public
[14:44.880 --> 14:46.880]  in terms of health and welfare
[14:46.880 --> 14:49.880]  to know exactly how those buildings came down
[14:49.880 --> 14:54.880]  and whether or not they were brought down by airplanes
[14:54.880 --> 14:57.880]  or by some other means?
[14:57.880 --> 15:01.880]  And so I'm doing, in fact, all my continuing ed hours
[15:01.880 --> 15:06.880]  will be on this subject this year.
[15:06.880 --> 15:07.880]  That's awesome.
[15:07.880 --> 15:08.880]  This is just fantastic.
[15:08.880 --> 15:10.880]  I am so excited.
[15:10.880 --> 15:12.880]  I mean, and it's just going to be right down the street for us.
[15:12.880 --> 15:15.880]  We don't have to travel all the way to Los Angeles this time.
[15:15.880 --> 15:16.880]  That's right.
[15:16.880 --> 15:19.880]  Be right there in Austin.
[15:19.880 --> 15:20.880]  This is wonderful.
[15:20.880 --> 15:24.880]  So you're going to have models, I understand.
[15:24.880 --> 15:25.880]  You were telling me that they're so big,
[15:25.880 --> 15:27.880]  they won't fit through the door once you assemble them.
[15:27.880 --> 15:29.880]  What is this?
[15:29.880 --> 15:32.880]  Yeah, that's a pretty cool thing.
[15:32.880 --> 15:36.880]  I did a model back several years ago
[15:36.880 --> 15:39.880]  of the World Trade Center, the entire complex.
[15:39.880 --> 15:41.880]  It's at one inch equals 30 feet.
[15:41.880 --> 15:44.880]  So the base of it is four foot by four foot,
[15:44.880 --> 15:48.880]  and it's probably about five and a half feet tall
[15:48.880 --> 15:53.880]  with the twin towers and the 300-foot tower
[15:53.880 --> 15:57.880]  on top of the twin tower, the north tower.
[15:57.880 --> 16:00.880]  And what we're going to study in terms of this building,
[16:00.880 --> 16:04.880]  I've analyzed about five different parts of this building
[16:04.880 --> 16:11.880]  that prove that several stories of severe damage
[16:11.880 --> 16:15.880]  cannot cause a global collapse of the tower.
[16:15.880 --> 16:18.880]  And we're going to get into the five-story hat truss
[16:18.880 --> 16:22.880]  that sat on the roof and what that really did.
[16:22.880 --> 16:25.880]  We'll get into the verandah wall trusses
[16:25.880 --> 16:28.880]  and show that those things were not just columns
[16:28.880 --> 16:35.880]  spaced closely together, but they were actually wall trusses.
[16:35.880 --> 16:37.880]  Should we take a break and come back?
[16:37.880 --> 16:39.880]  Yes, we're going to break right now.
[16:39.880 --> 16:42.880]  I want to hear some more about this on the other side.
[16:42.880 --> 16:43.880]  Great.
[16:43.880 --> 16:45.880]  You are listening to Rule of Law Radio.
[16:45.880 --> 16:48.880]  We've got very special guests, architect Ron Avery
[16:48.880 --> 16:50.880]  from Architects and Engineers from 9-Eleven Truth.
[16:50.880 --> 16:59.880]  We will be right back.
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[18:29.880 --> 18:30.880]  All right.
[18:30.880 --> 18:36.880]  We asked the questions, and they don't have the answers.
[18:36.880 --> 18:38.880]  But we do.
[18:38.880 --> 18:42.880]  We have to find out the answers for ourselves.
[18:42.880 --> 18:44.880]  We've got Ron Avery here,
[18:44.880 --> 18:46.880]  Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.
[18:46.880 --> 18:48.880]  So continue, Ron.
[18:48.880 --> 18:50.880]  You were talking about the trusses.
[18:50.880 --> 18:51.880]  Yeah.
[18:51.880 --> 18:53.880]  Just to do it all in one segment here,
[18:53.880 --> 18:56.880]  I'm going to analyze five parts of the building
[18:56.880 --> 18:59.880]  of the World Trade Center towers,
[18:59.880 --> 19:01.880]  analyzing the way they were built.
[19:01.880 --> 19:05.880]  And we're going to get into the five-story hat truss on the roof
[19:05.880 --> 19:08.880]  and how significant that really was
[19:08.880 --> 19:13.880]  in terms of how the building would react to a
[19:13.880 --> 19:16.880]  severing of columns on the exterior wall.
[19:16.880 --> 19:19.880]  Then we'll consider the verandah wall trusses,
[19:19.880 --> 19:21.880]  and that's really what they're called.
[19:21.880 --> 19:23.880]  Even though they don't look like trusses,
[19:23.880 --> 19:26.880]  they don't have diagonals.
[19:26.880 --> 19:29.880]  When you have rectangular-type trusses,
[19:29.880 --> 19:32.880]  you have something called a verandah truss,
[19:32.880 --> 19:35.880]  and that's what the exterior walls were.
[19:35.880 --> 19:38.880]  We will show that they were made out of the strongest steel
[19:38.880 --> 19:42.880]  you can get, 100,000 PSI,
[19:42.880 --> 19:44.880]  and they were heat-treated.
[19:44.880 --> 19:48.880]  Then we're going to look at the space-frame floors.
[19:48.880 --> 19:53.880]  Most people think that the floors were just bar joists
[19:53.880 --> 19:56.880]  that ran from the core out to the exterior wall.
[19:56.880 --> 19:58.880]  That's really not correct.
[19:58.880 --> 20:02.880]  They had cross trusses that went the other way,
[20:02.880 --> 20:06.880]  and they were all manufactured that way and put in place.
[20:06.880 --> 20:11.880]  In fact, the core, the metal core that held the concrete,
[20:11.880 --> 20:15.880]  the pan that the concrete was poured into,
[20:15.880 --> 20:23.880]  ran parallel to the trusses that went out to the wall,
[20:23.880 --> 20:27.880]  and that means that if something hit the exterior wall,
[20:27.880 --> 20:29.880]  it wouldn't fold up.
[20:29.880 --> 20:33.880]  It wouldn't roll up because the corrugation
[20:33.880 --> 20:37.880]  was going towards the outer wall, not the other way.
[20:37.880 --> 20:40.880]  That makes a very exceedingly strong floor
[20:40.880 --> 20:44.880]  in terms of pressure against the exterior wall.
[20:44.880 --> 20:47.880]  Then we covered the space-frame floors.
[20:47.880 --> 20:50.880]  Then we're going to get into the moment-reducing truss belts
[20:50.880 --> 20:55.880]  that went around the building at two other layers
[20:55.880 --> 20:58.880]  down at about every 34th floor
[20:58.880 --> 21:02.880]  and what those really did in terms of the structure of the building
[21:02.880 --> 21:06.880]  because they were actually trusses that ran in those floors
[21:06.880 --> 21:10.880]  that connected the core to the outer columns.
[21:10.880 --> 21:14.880]  Then one of the most interesting pieces that I've been trying
[21:14.880 --> 21:17.880]  to figure out for some time has finally been confirmed
[21:17.880 --> 21:23.880]  that the core, there was 47 powerful core columns
[21:23.880 --> 21:26.880]  that were connected not by bar joists,
[21:26.880 --> 21:31.880]  but by heavy steel I-beams and box girders,
[21:31.880 --> 21:36.880]  but also in the corners of the core, in each corner,
[21:36.880 --> 21:41.880]  that's where the climber cranes sat to build the building.
[21:41.880 --> 21:45.880]  When they put those in, they're very heavy steel columns
[21:45.880 --> 21:51.880]  that are cross-braced very often in all four directions
[21:51.880 --> 21:54.880]  around the base of this crane.
[21:54.880 --> 21:57.880]  That stuff was left in place, so they didn't take it out.
[21:57.880 --> 22:00.880]  It was hard to take it out as they went up,
[22:00.880 --> 22:02.880]  and so they just left it.
[22:02.880 --> 22:06.880]  The corners, all four corners of the core are exceedingly strong
[22:06.880 --> 22:11.880]  because that's where the crane that actually built the building sat
[22:11.880 --> 22:14.880]  as it went up.
[22:14.880 --> 22:19.880]  All these things just prove how really strong these buildings were
[22:19.880 --> 22:24.880]  and were really not susceptible to an interior pancake,
[22:24.880 --> 22:28.880]  which they claim that these floors pancaked.
[22:28.880 --> 22:33.880]  I will also get into a type of construction called lift slab,
[22:33.880 --> 22:37.880]  and this is where the term pancaking really came from,
[22:37.880 --> 22:39.880]  and it's a totally different kind of construction,
[22:39.880 --> 22:47.880]  and we'll have some examples of pancaked lift slab type structures.
[22:47.880 --> 22:52.880]  These kind of structures that the World Trade Center has built from,
[22:52.880 --> 22:58.880]  they simply do not have what they call pancaking.
[22:58.880 --> 23:00.880]  It never occurred.
[23:00.880 --> 23:02.880]  Yeah, it's outrageous.
[23:02.880 --> 23:04.880]  It's absolutely preposterous.
[23:04.880 --> 23:06.880]  The government's story is a complete fraud.
[23:06.880 --> 23:08.880]  It's a complete lie.
[23:08.880 --> 23:14.880]  I mean, you can't even stretch it to even pretend that an airplane
[23:14.880 --> 23:19.880]  hitting a building like this would cause it to collapse in any manner
[23:19.880 --> 23:23.880]  whatsoever, much less a 10-second free fall,
[23:23.880 --> 23:28.880]  and then the whole building is obliterated, pulverized, powdered.
[23:28.880 --> 23:30.880]  The concrete was powdered.
[23:30.880 --> 23:35.880]  There were pools of molten metal in the basements of all three of those
[23:35.880 --> 23:36.880]  buildings.
[23:36.880 --> 23:40.880]  Everything came down, even the core columns.
[23:40.880 --> 23:44.880]  If they were even going to try to stretch that pancaking idea,
[23:44.880 --> 23:47.880]  it was even on, I believe, the Discovery Channel.
[23:47.880 --> 23:53.880]  They had some cover-up piece that someone had constructed,
[23:53.880 --> 23:57.880]  and it even showed like a spindle of a record player,
[23:57.880 --> 24:03.880]  the old-style phonograph where the pancake parts of the floors drop,
[24:03.880 --> 24:05.880]  but the core columns are still left standing.
[24:05.880 --> 24:08.880]  Okay, people, this is outrageous.
[24:08.880 --> 24:15.880]  I cannot believe that this lie has gone on as long as it has,
[24:15.880 --> 24:16.880]  but you know what?
[24:16.880 --> 24:18.880]  We're about to bust it wide open.
[24:18.880 --> 24:22.880]  Jerry's been on top of the 9-11 movement in the news a little bit more
[24:22.880 --> 24:24.880]  than I have lately, and it's exploding.
[24:24.880 --> 24:28.880]  One of the main reasons for this conference, for this presentation,
[24:28.880 --> 24:32.880]  this seminar and press conference, is because it's a celebration and
[24:32.880 --> 24:36.880]  announcement that Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth now has
[24:36.880 --> 24:38.880]  over 1,000 members.
[24:38.880 --> 24:41.880]  It's over 1,100 members at this point.
[24:41.880 --> 24:43.880]  Is that correct, Ron?
[24:43.880 --> 24:45.880]  Well, let me clarify that just a little bit.
[24:45.880 --> 24:50.880]  What we have is over 1,000 architects and engineers who have signed a
[24:50.880 --> 24:55.880]  petition calling for a real investigation of the collapse of the
[24:55.880 --> 25:01.880]  three, we call it the outright demolition of the three skyscrapers
[25:01.880 --> 25:03.880]  at the World Trade Center.
[25:03.880 --> 25:08.880]  However, there are probably near 8,000 members of architects and
[25:08.880 --> 25:10.880]  engineers for 9-11 Truth.
[25:10.880 --> 25:14.880]  They just all are not signers, architects and engineers.
[25:14.880 --> 25:18.880]  We have people that are in the construction trades.
[25:18.880 --> 25:23.880]  We have people that are actually in the development of codes or their
[25:23.880 --> 25:24.880]  code enforcers.
[25:24.880 --> 25:30.880]  They work for cities and counties, and they study the code,
[25:30.880 --> 25:32.880]  and some of them write the codes.
[25:32.880 --> 25:35.880]  So these are people that really know buildings well,
[25:35.880 --> 25:39.880]  even though they're not architects and engineers.
[25:39.880 --> 25:41.880]  Okay, but they are members of the group.
[25:41.880 --> 25:46.880]  Yes, they're actually members of architects and engineers for 9-11
[25:46.880 --> 25:47.880]  Truth.
[25:47.880 --> 25:51.880]  But what we have is 1,000 of these architects and engineers have
[25:51.880 --> 25:57.880]  signed a petition, and I think there's about 1,120 right now.
[25:57.880 --> 26:05.880]  And you can go to ae911truth.org, and you can actually see immediately
[26:05.880 --> 26:09.880]  how many there are from, you know, on a daily basis.
[26:09.880 --> 26:11.880]  Okay, so let me get this straight.
[26:11.880 --> 26:15.880]  The Organization of Architects and Engineers actually has over 8,000
[26:15.880 --> 26:20.880]  members and 1,100 actual architects and engineers that are licensed and
[26:20.880 --> 26:23.880]  degree professionals have signed a petition.
[26:23.880 --> 26:24.880]  Correct.
[26:24.880 --> 26:25.880]  That is awesome.
[26:25.880 --> 26:31.880]  Can you please tell us what are the requirements or what is the
[26:31.880 --> 26:32.880]  protocol?
[26:32.880 --> 26:35.880]  What requirements does someone have to meet to become a member of
[26:35.880 --> 26:38.880]  architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth?
[26:38.880 --> 26:42.880]  Well, actually, I don't think there are many to do that.
[26:42.880 --> 26:46.880]  I think all you want to do is if you want to support it and join the
[26:46.880 --> 26:51.880]  group, and I think most people that are members, sustaining members,
[26:51.880 --> 26:54.880]  they give money to it.
[26:54.880 --> 26:59.880]  But so that's the kind of membership we have.
[26:59.880 --> 27:03.880]  So we take everybody regardless of whether they're architects and
[27:03.880 --> 27:04.880]  engineers.
[27:04.880 --> 27:08.880]  We like it if they are related to the building industry,
[27:08.880 --> 27:10.880]  which a lot of them are.
[27:10.880 --> 27:12.880]  That is amazing.
[27:12.880 --> 27:17.880]  Ron, can you please give us a Web site of where people can go to find
[27:17.880 --> 27:19.880]  out more about this and make donations?
[27:19.880 --> 27:23.880]  Because people putting on an event like this is not cheap, all right?
[27:23.880 --> 27:28.880]  It costs a lot of money, I think upwards of around $3,000 just to rent
[27:28.880 --> 27:32.880]  the room, and there's all kinds of equipment involved.
[27:32.880 --> 27:36.880]  And so Ron is doing this out of his own pocket, people.
[27:36.880 --> 27:40.880]  So people need to make donations ahead of time and not only just when
[27:40.880 --> 27:44.880]  you go, because this is a free event offered to the public,
[27:44.880 --> 27:46.880]  so we want to get as many people there as possible.
[27:46.880 --> 27:47.880]  But you do need donations.
[27:47.880 --> 27:50.880]  So can you please give us a Web site where people can go for more
[27:50.880 --> 27:52.880]  information and to donate?
[27:52.880 --> 27:53.880]  Yes.
[27:53.880 --> 27:56.880]  You know, when you sign up for one of these things,
[27:56.880 --> 28:02.880]  they give you a rather long, complicated Web page for that.
[28:02.880 --> 28:05.880]  So I'm going to give you a more simple one.
[28:05.880 --> 28:10.880]  It's silveregletaphouse.com.
[28:10.880 --> 28:18.880]  That's S-I-L-V-E-R-T-A-P-H-O-U-S-E, or Silver Eagle, E-A-G-L-E,
[28:18.880 --> 28:21.880]  T-A-P-H-O-U-S-E.com.
[28:21.880 --> 28:26.880]  And then get into the site and go all the way to the bottom of the menu
[28:26.880 --> 28:30.880]  on the left and just click there and it will take you to a page
[28:30.880 --> 28:32.880]  where you can donate.
[28:32.880 --> 28:33.880]  Now we'll have that fixed up better,
[28:33.880 --> 28:37.880]  but we've been trying to do all this in about two weeks while we do
[28:37.880 --> 28:42.880]  other things and we just don't have all that fixed up real good yet.
[28:42.880 --> 28:43.880]  Right.
[28:43.880 --> 28:47.880]  So the Web site will be, it's in progress right now.
[28:47.880 --> 28:52.880]  More information, so you'll be listing on that site who all the speakers are
[28:52.880 --> 28:54.880]  going to be and what the schedule is and all that?
[28:54.880 --> 28:55.880]  Yes.
[28:55.880 --> 29:02.880]  We'll put up the brochure and we'll have the times that these individuals
[29:02.880 --> 29:03.880]  will present their material.
[29:03.880 --> 29:07.880]  And it will last all day long, really, or eight hours.
[29:07.880 --> 29:11.880]  It's going to be from 1 p.m. to 9 p.m. at night.
[29:11.880 --> 29:17.880]  And so people will be able to come and go and to hear the various speakers
[29:17.880 --> 29:18.880]  that they want to hear.
[29:18.880 --> 29:21.880]  And basically each one gets about an hour long,
[29:21.880 --> 29:26.880]  but we are going to be showing some other information ahead of time to
[29:26.880 --> 29:28.880]  and during the presentation.
[29:28.880 --> 29:32.880]  So it will take about that long to cover all this material.
[29:32.880 --> 29:33.880]  Yes.
[29:33.880 --> 29:34.880]  It starts at 1 p.m.
[29:34.880 --> 29:35.880]  Correct.
[29:35.880 --> 29:37.880]  And the speakers will start at 3.
[29:37.880 --> 29:40.880]  Will you stay on the line with us for a few more minutes, Ron?
[29:40.880 --> 29:41.880]  Sure.
[29:41.880 --> 29:42.880]  Okay, great.
[29:42.880 --> 29:44.880]  Callers, if you have a question for Ron, if you'd like to speak with our
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[31:47.880 --> 31:51.880]  Okay, we are back with Ron Avery, architect.
[31:51.880 --> 31:54.880]  With architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth,
[31:54.880 --> 31:57.880]  we're discussing the event that's going to be held at the
[31:57.880 --> 32:02.880]  DoubleTree Hotel here in Austin, Texas next Saturday, March 20th.
[32:02.880 --> 32:04.880]  I'm so excited.
[32:04.880 --> 32:05.880]  I'm going to be helping out.
[32:05.880 --> 32:07.880]  I'm going to be writing sound for Ron.
[32:07.880 --> 32:09.880]  We're going to be broadcasting the event live on
[32:09.880 --> 32:14.880]  ruleoflawradio.com and here on 9.1 FM in Austin, Texas.
[32:14.880 --> 32:17.880]  And we've got some callers on the line.
[32:17.880 --> 32:20.880]  Ron, this is just, I am just so stoked about this.
[32:20.880 --> 32:21.880]  This is great.
[32:21.880 --> 32:22.880]  We've got Bob Bowman.
[32:22.880 --> 32:23.880]  We've got all these people.
[32:23.880 --> 32:24.880]  This is going to be fantastic.
[32:24.880 --> 32:26.880]  All-day events.
[32:26.880 --> 32:28.880]  All right.
[32:28.880 --> 32:31.880]  We've got Guy from Arkansas that has a question.
[32:31.880 --> 32:32.880]  Guy, thank you for calling in.
[32:32.880 --> 32:34.880]  What is your question for Ron?
[32:34.880 --> 32:38.880]  Well, if you'll allow me, I'd just like to thank him for his organization.
[32:38.880 --> 32:45.880]  I think it is so important that the engineers get together on this
[32:45.880 --> 32:50.880]  because their whole credibility is being slapped back in their face as liars.
[32:50.880 --> 32:52.880]  So I really appreciate what they're standing up for,
[32:52.880 --> 32:56.880]  and I regret that I can't make the, you know, the seminars at all.
[32:56.880 --> 33:03.880]  Now, my question is, you know, I may have been lax or maybe I just didn't hear it.
[33:03.880 --> 33:09.880]  Maybe it's, I would like to know how many of the actual architects who actually
[33:09.880 --> 33:16.880]  built the towers and that whole complex there are actually, you know,
[33:16.880 --> 33:19.880]  signed up with your organization and everything,
[33:19.880 --> 33:23.880]  and I'll take your comments off there, and thanks again.
[33:23.880 --> 33:24.880]  You bet.
[33:24.880 --> 33:29.880]  Well, I actually don't know, I don't know, for one thing,
[33:29.880 --> 33:34.880]  all the architects and engineers that are in this group.
[33:34.880 --> 33:41.880]  I know, in fact, I'm not sure I know any other architect, maybe one or two.
[33:41.880 --> 33:48.880]  There's only 43 in the whole state of Texas, including both architects and engineers.
[33:48.880 --> 33:52.880]  And by the way, when I say engineers, it's engineers of all types,
[33:52.880 --> 33:58.880]  mechanical, electrical, and structural, and civil, and on.
[33:58.880 --> 34:04.880]  But so, and we have just about all kinds in our group.
[34:04.880 --> 34:11.880]  But as far as the ones that actually worked on the World Trade Center,
[34:11.880 --> 34:16.880]  you know, that was actually started back in the late 60s,
[34:16.880 --> 34:24.880]  and I remember I was still in architectural school when these towers were going up,
[34:24.880 --> 34:28.880]  and they weren't completed, I don't believe, until 73,
[34:28.880 --> 34:32.880]  and they made other changes to them as well.
[34:32.880 --> 34:38.880]  So it took over 10 years to actually conceive, design, and build them.
[34:38.880 --> 34:43.880]  And those people would be fairly old, because, like, I'm 62,
[34:43.880 --> 34:48.880]  and guys that would have actually really been working on those towers,
[34:48.880 --> 34:50.880]  they're in their 70s.
[34:50.880 --> 34:57.880]  And I think the ones that actually owned the firm, the engineering firm,
[34:57.880 --> 35:03.880]  and I know the architect is actually dead, the main architect.
[35:03.880 --> 35:10.880]  So that's one reason you don't see so much of these guys are just kind of old or maybe dead.
[35:10.880 --> 35:14.880]  Yeah, I knew that the main architect was deceased.
[35:14.880 --> 35:19.880]  However, I have seen a documentary, and I can't remember which one it was.
[35:19.880 --> 35:26.880]  We watched the premiere of all these documentaries at the Scholar's Symposium back in 2006 in LA,
[35:26.880 --> 35:32.880]  and on one of those documentaries, the main architect was interviewed,
[35:32.880 --> 35:41.880]  and he said on the record that there's no way that a plane hitting those buildings could have caused it to come down like that.
[35:41.880 --> 35:48.880]  Yeah, I've seen some of that same interview, and one of the architects probably that was at the firm at the time,
[35:48.880 --> 35:57.880]  he did say that they actually designed the building to withstand multiple impacts of a 707,
[35:57.880 --> 36:05.880]  which is a comparable jet to the 767 that hit the tower.
[36:05.880 --> 36:11.880]  And we're not absolutely sure of what kind of the jet, the pictures of it.
[36:11.880 --> 36:19.880]  It's kind of hard to tell exactly the exact model of the plane that actually hit it.
[36:19.880 --> 36:24.880]  Yeah, they designed these buildings. They way overdesigned them.
[36:24.880 --> 36:29.880]  I mean, these buildings, it was my understanding that most buildings when they are designed,
[36:29.880 --> 36:34.880]  they are designed with the intention that eventually they will have to come down,
[36:34.880 --> 36:41.880]  and so they have the takedown, the controlled demolition in mind as they're designing the buildings.
[36:41.880 --> 36:46.880]  And these buildings, from what I understand, they were not designed with that intention.
[36:46.880 --> 36:51.880]  This is one of the only ones. They were in some kind of a race to build the tallest buildings.
[36:51.880 --> 36:54.880]  I would actually debate that as an architect.
[36:54.880 --> 37:01.880]  I've worked on not high-rise anything this tall, but I've worked on mid-rise buildings.
[37:01.880 --> 37:07.880]  And the job of an architect is to make sure the buildings will stay there, not how to bring them down.
[37:07.880 --> 37:09.880]  I see.
[37:09.880 --> 37:14.880]  Bringing down, I've even heard people say, oh, well, they can wire these buildings ahead of time
[37:14.880 --> 37:19.880]  when they build them. No way, Jose. You cannot do that.
[37:19.880 --> 37:24.880]  In fact, you have to get a permit to demolish a building, and it can't be occupied.
[37:24.880 --> 37:33.880]  And certainly, you're not going to build a building that has in-place demolition charges.
[37:33.880 --> 37:38.880]  That is just not acceptable. No one would ever permit that.
[37:38.880 --> 37:46.880]  And certainly, anybody that wires a building while it's occupied is in a heap of trouble and without a permit,
[37:46.880 --> 37:51.880]  and that's exactly what happened here at the World Trade Center.
[37:51.880 --> 37:55.880]  Yeah, I was understanding from the documentaries.
[37:55.880 --> 38:04.880]  I mean, they built these buildings to, like, withstand an F-4 tornado and hurricanes and just off the charts.
[38:04.880 --> 38:05.880]  There's no way.
[38:05.880 --> 38:11.880]  Well, the code itself requires the building withstand 100-mile-per-hour wind.
[38:11.880 --> 38:22.880]  And on a surface the size of an acre wide, 209 feet wide and 1,386 feet high, the wind load,
[38:22.880 --> 38:33.880]  which we will also talk about that, actually produces a pressure against the exterior face of 45 pounds per square foot.
[38:33.880 --> 38:44.880]  So you just want to multiply 209 by 1,386 by 45 and then apply that at one point on the wall,
[38:44.880 --> 38:51.880]  and you will see what the building has to resist just from the wind load alone.
[38:51.880 --> 38:58.880]  And it's much greater than any kind of a jet hitting a small part of it.
[38:58.880 --> 38:59.880]  Incredible.
[38:59.880 --> 39:03.880]  All right, we have another caller on the line, Ted from Texas. Let's take Ted.
[39:03.880 --> 39:05.880]  Ted, thanks for calling in.
[39:05.880 --> 39:07.880]  What is your question for our guest?
[39:07.880 --> 39:09.880]  Oh, thank you for having this wonderful program on tonight.
[39:09.880 --> 39:11.880]  Thanks for taking my call.
[39:11.880 --> 39:14.880]  It's kind of a follow-up on what you just said.
[39:14.880 --> 39:18.880]  Well, how were these things taken down?
[39:18.880 --> 39:20.880]  How were these buildings taken down?
[39:20.880 --> 39:30.880]  Well, I was always wondering if they did pre-engineer the explosives into it to bring it down, but you just said,
[39:30.880 --> 39:41.880]  and I just realized that probably no self-respecting architect or construction worker would want to put explosives in the workplace like that.
[39:41.880 --> 39:43.880]  Well, you're absolutely right.
[39:43.880 --> 39:52.880]  I mean, the whole idea behind codes, the whole idea behind architecture, why you have to have a license to do this, is to protect the public.
[39:52.880 --> 39:59.880]  There's only one reason to license architects and engineers, and that is to protect the public.
[39:59.880 --> 40:06.880]  And you can't protect the public by putting explosive charges on buildings as you're building them,
[40:06.880 --> 40:10.880]  because some moron might do something that sets the thing off.
[40:10.880 --> 40:19.880]  Well, there's another problem with that, too, is that the types of explosives they use in that type of demolition degrade over time.
[40:19.880 --> 40:20.880]  They become unstable.
[40:20.880 --> 40:22.880]  They can't be used in that fashion.
[40:22.880 --> 40:25.880]  You don't set those things up for years and leave them.
[40:25.880 --> 40:26.880]  Good point.
[40:26.880 --> 40:28.880]  I think that is an excellent point.
[40:28.880 --> 40:32.880]  First of all, the whole premise of that is insane.
[40:32.880 --> 40:38.880]  I've never even heard of such a thing until after this event.
[40:38.880 --> 40:48.880]  Do you have any opinions on how those so-called explosives or whatever, thermite cutters, whatever, were placed there?
[40:48.880 --> 40:56.880]  Well, I would say that somebody did place them, and it had to be more than one or two people.
[40:56.880 --> 41:02.880]  It had to be more than a terrorist that just could sneak in there at night acting like a janitor.
[41:02.880 --> 41:12.880]  It would just take too long to put that many charges that were required and the evidence that we've seen from the columns,
[41:12.880 --> 41:14.880]  the way the columns were cut at angles.
[41:14.880 --> 41:21.880]  That's how you do bring down buildings is by angling the charges so that they shift back and forth.
[41:21.880 --> 41:26.880]  If you cut them off square, the columns just come down and hit on top of the column.
[41:26.880 --> 41:28.880]  They just kind of sit there.
[41:28.880 --> 41:35.880]  One of the things you really don't want in a demolition of a building, and it has occurred, is a failed demolition.
[41:35.880 --> 41:37.880]  That is when you harm it.
[41:37.880 --> 41:40.880]  You actually harm the structure, but it doesn't come down.
[41:40.880 --> 41:47.880]  Now you've got a more dangerous situation than you did when you started because now not only is it standing there,
[41:47.880 --> 41:53.880]  it's unstable and could fall over in any way, so you don't want that.
[41:53.880 --> 42:01.880]  These things have to be very carefully done, and they have to be done, I would say, in this building.
[42:01.880 --> 42:06.880]  The charges were set on virtually every column on every third floor.
[42:06.880 --> 42:12.880]  That would have been a very difficult thing for a hijacker of a jet to do.
[42:12.880 --> 42:21.880]  It also brings up the whole question of what all was this jet stuff about if these buildings were pre-wired ahead of time,
[42:21.880 --> 42:24.880]  which we know they were.
[42:24.880 --> 42:33.880]  The other thing, the existence of the nanothermite that's been found in the dust samples and on columns, I believe,
[42:33.880 --> 42:44.880]  and in some of its unspent nanothermite, meaning the actual product that has not been exploded, has been found in the dust samples.
[42:44.880 --> 42:50.880]  This is absolute proof that there were explosive charges used in these buildings.
[42:50.880 --> 42:58.880]  It goes to the point where I'm surprised the official story about how they came down just wasn't one word, gravity.
[42:58.880 --> 43:07.880]  As far as how they got there, the information that I've read and studied on this since it occurred,
[43:07.880 --> 43:10.880]  I was right across the river in New Jersey the day this happened.
[43:10.880 --> 43:12.880]  We were standing there watching it.
[43:12.880 --> 43:20.880]  The thing that I've noticed is that one, as he was talking about, every third floor would have had to have been wired because
[43:20.880 --> 43:27.880]  every single piece of metal beam would fit directly onto a flatbed truck the moment it was taken out of the rubble.
[43:27.880 --> 43:30.880]  It was done that way intentionally.
[43:30.880 --> 43:36.880]  On top of that, when you see the columns standing up out of the crumbled building, when it's all said and done,
[43:36.880 --> 43:44.880]  you'll see about 10 or 12 feet of columns sticking up out of the foundation, and every single one of them is sheared at a 45-degree angle.
[43:44.880 --> 43:45.880]  Absolutely.
[43:45.880 --> 43:47.880]  Listen, Ted, hang on the line.
[43:47.880 --> 43:49.880]  Do you have more comments for...
[43:49.880 --> 43:50.880]  Yes, what is it?
[43:50.880 --> 43:51.880]  It is from Building 7.
[43:51.880 --> 43:52.880]  Okay, all right.
[43:52.880 --> 43:53.880]  Hold on, Ted.
[43:53.880 --> 43:54.880]  We'll be right back.
[43:54.880 --> 43:55.880]  We're going to break.
[43:55.880 --> 44:10.880]  Yes, Ron Avery, Architects and Engineers for 9-11-3.
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[45:43.880 --> 46:02.880]  All right, watching the Sparks live.
[46:02.880 --> 46:11.880]  We are speaking with a very special guest, Architect Ron Avery from Architects and Engineers for 9-11-Truth.
[46:11.880 --> 46:16.880]  And I got to tell you, Ron, we have a bumper sticker on our car that we made ourselves.
[46:16.880 --> 46:17.880]  We make our own bumper stickers.
[46:17.880 --> 46:23.880]  And it says how many current architects and engineers have signed onto the petition.
[46:23.880 --> 46:32.880]  And so as you guys update, as more architects and engineers sign, we print off more stickers and we just slap on the new number.
[46:32.880 --> 46:38.880]  And so we've got like 10 or 15 where, you know, you could see the previous stickers there from the previous numbers.
[46:38.880 --> 46:39.880]  That's great.
[46:39.880 --> 46:49.880]  They really have started growing fairly rapidly, especially after the February 19th press conference they had in San Francisco,
[46:49.880 --> 46:58.880]  because I remember looking at it about that time and they had about 1,100 and no, it was just over 1,000.
[46:58.880 --> 47:06.880]  And then I went back the next week or two and they had over 100 after that.
[47:06.880 --> 47:08.880]  So they had 1,100.
[47:08.880 --> 47:09.880]  Amazing.
[47:09.880 --> 47:14.880]  And I went, well, are you telling me you got 100 architects in two or three weeks?
[47:14.880 --> 47:21.880]  It was a group that grew rather slowly in the beginning, but it does seem to be gaining momentum now.
[47:21.880 --> 47:22.880]  That's awesome.
[47:22.880 --> 47:30.880]  And you guys, I have so much respect for all of you all because you all are putting your professional credibility on the line here by coming out and saying this.
[47:30.880 --> 47:31.880]  And you know what?
[47:31.880 --> 47:34.880]  The more the numbers grow, the stronger this is going to be.
[47:34.880 --> 47:35.880]  It's undeniable.
[47:35.880 --> 47:39.880]  Eventually, we are going to bust this thing wide open.
[47:39.880 --> 47:41.880]  This is the whole reason I got into radio to begin with.
[47:41.880 --> 47:44.880]  It's the whole reason I got hooked up with Randy Kelton.
[47:44.880 --> 47:45.880]  And Ted, stay on the line.
[47:45.880 --> 47:47.880]  I just wanted to finish this story briefly.
[47:47.880 --> 47:57.880]  The whole reason I got into this from the beginning was because I noticed that there had never been any criminal charges brought against anybody.
[47:57.880 --> 48:04.880]  Nothing had ever gone down in the court system until I guess recently the whole cooked up bogus Massawi thing.
[48:04.880 --> 48:07.880]  But nothing had ever been done in the courts.
[48:07.880 --> 48:08.880]  And I was like, what is going on here?
[48:08.880 --> 48:10.880]  We need to have a grand jury investigation.
[48:10.880 --> 48:14.880]  And so I started looking into, you know, well, how do we get this done?
[48:14.880 --> 48:16.880]  Possibly citizens grand juries.
[48:16.880 --> 48:17.880]  And I started looking into that.
[48:17.880 --> 48:20.880]  And then I found out that that was a total dead end.
[48:20.880 --> 48:32.880]  And so just about when I was getting to the point where I realized, well, we can't just make up our own citizen grand juries and have our own in that sort of way
[48:32.880 --> 48:39.880]  and have these investigations and expect that we could force that into the court system by any means.
[48:39.880 --> 48:41.880]  We have to use the existing system.
[48:41.880 --> 48:47.880]  We just have to get criminal charges and evidence brought to a real grand jury that's already impaneled.
[48:47.880 --> 48:52.880]  And so I was just about getting to that point when I was referred to Randy Kelton.
[48:52.880 --> 48:55.880]  And that's how I got into this whole thing from the beginning.
[48:55.880 --> 49:05.880]  And since then we're working, Randy's mission is to fix the courts so that we can actually get this into the court system once and for all.
[49:05.880 --> 49:07.880]  So I just wanted to get that out there.
[49:07.880 --> 49:08.880]  So I am so excited.
[49:08.880 --> 49:10.880]  It's all coming together right now.
[49:10.880 --> 49:12.880]  This is why I am doing this.
[49:12.880 --> 49:15.880]  I am so happy that I can participate and help you out, Ron.
[49:15.880 --> 49:16.880]  Great.
[49:16.880 --> 49:18.880]  I appreciate the help too.
[49:18.880 --> 49:19.880]  Absolutely.
[49:19.880 --> 49:24.880]  I'd like to add also, speaking of the court system, I'm pretty familiar with the court system.
[49:24.880 --> 49:28.880]  I've been to the Supreme Court of Texas about five times now.
[49:28.880 --> 49:35.880]  And so I've discovered a lot about the court system in Texas and, in fact, throughout the United States.
[49:35.880 --> 49:38.880]  Yeah, it's just as bad here as it does there, right?
[49:38.880 --> 49:41.880]  That's right.
[49:41.880 --> 49:50.880]  But one of the things I may spend a little time on on Saturday is a lot of people throw the word conspiracy around.
[49:50.880 --> 50:04.880]  And they make fun of people that are trying to find out about what really is the real evidence that is shown and what has been uncovered since 9-11, 2001.
[50:04.880 --> 50:07.880]  And they call them conspiracy theorists.
[50:07.880 --> 50:11.880]  And conspiracy, they throw that word around.
[50:11.880 --> 50:17.880]  As soon as you hear it, you know you're supposed to laugh off the person that's trying to make a point.
[50:17.880 --> 50:23.880]  But a conspiracy is actually a legal concept.
[50:23.880 --> 50:26.880]  And it is provable in court.
[50:26.880 --> 50:37.880]  And if people really knew what a provable conspiracy is in a court of law, they wouldn't be so sloppy with their language and their behavior.
[50:37.880 --> 50:43.880]  Because you can become part of a conspiracy and not even know the other actors.
[50:43.880 --> 50:58.880]  If you're in agreement with the ultimate end of what the conspiracy sought after or you're a benefactor of it or you somehow participated in or covered up any information about it,
[50:58.880 --> 51:06.880]  you can be proven to be a conspirator even though you really didn't exactly kind of know who you were dealing with.
[51:06.880 --> 51:10.880]  Yeah, that's the concept of compartmentalization.
[51:10.880 --> 51:14.880]  Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley have discussed that at great length.
[51:14.880 --> 51:15.880]  All right, let's go back to Ted.
[51:15.880 --> 51:16.880]  He's been patiently holding.
[51:16.880 --> 51:19.880]  Ted, sorry to not bring you right back in.
[51:19.880 --> 51:22.880]  This is just such a riveting conversation.
[51:22.880 --> 51:24.880]  What else do you have for our guests here?
[51:24.880 --> 51:25.880]  Oh, no problem.
[51:25.880 --> 51:26.880]  Thanks a lot.
[51:26.880 --> 51:37.880]  The organization that came up with the official excuse for why Building 7 fell, please tell us about that.
[51:37.880 --> 51:38.880]  Yeah, okay.
[51:38.880 --> 51:45.880]  Well, the first I believe FEMA didn't touch on Building 7 originally.
[51:45.880 --> 51:46.880]  One of the groups didn't.
[51:46.880 --> 51:59.880]  I know NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology, they finally addressed Building 7 after people complained that it fell at freefall speed.
[51:59.880 --> 52:04.880]  At least part of the fall was at freefall speed.
[52:04.880 --> 52:09.880]  They didn't address that until they were forced to.
[52:09.880 --> 52:21.880]  In fact, architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth have become a little bit stronger in their language these days.
[52:21.880 --> 52:40.880]  In fact, they're calling for a grand jury investigation of the head of NIST or the guy that was the head of that project looking into the collapse of Building 7.
[52:40.880 --> 52:56.880]  What that means is we know enough about Building 7 now that we can probably show that the report that NIST made was intentionally falsified and came up with it intentionally.
[52:56.880 --> 52:58.880]  In fact, let me say this.
[52:58.880 --> 53:02.880]  When I first heard this, I can't remember the man's name.
[53:02.880 --> 53:03.880]  I don't have it right in front of me.
[53:03.880 --> 53:11.880]  That's the head of NIST, but he gave the presentation and I watched it on video.
[53:11.880 --> 53:21.880]  I actually started laughing because he said they had come up with a new reason for the collapse, a new way of studying collapses of buildings.
[53:21.880 --> 53:25.880]  He called it thermal expansion.
[53:25.880 --> 53:29.880]  If you're an architect, you deal with thermal expansion every day.
[53:29.880 --> 53:50.880]  I sent out an email to some of my friends and to even Richard Gage, and I said we ought to have the American Institute of Architects ought to have this guy as a stand-up comic for some of their banquets and stuff because this guy is a riot.
[53:50.880 --> 54:02.880]  The idea that expansion joints that we've been dealing with for years deal with nothing but thermal expansion, that's what expansion joints are all about.
[54:02.880 --> 54:10.880]  We know all about heat and what it does to buildings, heat and coal and the constant contraction and expansion.
[54:10.880 --> 54:11.880]  That's ridiculous.
[54:11.880 --> 54:12.880]  Forget that.
[54:12.880 --> 54:14.880]  That's no new brand of study.
[54:14.880 --> 54:25.880]  Then his other most amazing comment was that one of the columns failed, causing global collapse, eventual global collapse.
[54:25.880 --> 54:27.880]  We know better than that.
[54:27.880 --> 54:37.880]  If you build a building that's 47 stories tall, you cannot have a building that only one column in that building could cause total collapse.
[54:37.880 --> 54:41.880]  Buildings have to be built with redundancy, or they're unstable.
[54:41.880 --> 54:53.880]  If you have one column in a building that if you know that that building, that column collapsed or was unstable or buckled, the whole building would fall down?
[54:53.880 --> 54:54.880]  That's insane.
[54:54.880 --> 55:00.880]  I would recommend that no one ever enter a building over two stories tall ever again.
[55:00.880 --> 55:01.880]  That's insane.
[55:01.880 --> 55:06.880]  That building could not have fallen from the buckling of one column.
[55:06.880 --> 55:10.880]  The real difference there, Steve, is you're not a government employee.
[55:10.880 --> 55:12.880]  Yeah.
[55:12.880 --> 55:14.880]  I'm sure that's the difference.
[55:14.880 --> 55:16.880]  Well, thanks for taking my call.
[55:16.880 --> 55:18.880]  I burn stuff.
[55:18.880 --> 55:20.880]  I've got a fire pit in my backyard.
[55:20.880 --> 55:22.880]  I burn all kinds of things in it.
[55:22.880 --> 55:23.880]  It's still there.
[55:23.880 --> 55:25.880]  It didn't melt to the ground.
[55:25.880 --> 55:27.880]  There's no problem there.
[55:27.880 --> 55:38.880]  I just remember when George had his ranch in Texas, airplanes would fly over his ranch by accident, and man, jets were on them just like that.
[55:38.880 --> 55:40.880]  Yeah.
[55:40.880 --> 55:41.880]  Thanks.
[55:41.880 --> 55:43.880]  I'm really looking forward to your conference.
[55:43.880 --> 55:44.880]  Thank you very much.
[55:43.880 --> 55:44.880]  Okay, great.
[55:44.880 --> 55:45.880]  You going to be there?
[55:45.880 --> 55:46.880]  Yes, I am now.
[55:46.880 --> 55:49.880]  I just heard about it tonight, and I really want to be there.
[55:49.880 --> 55:50.880]  All right, super.
[55:50.880 --> 55:51.880]  Thanks, Tim.
[55:51.880 --> 55:52.880]  All right, bye-bye.
[55:52.880 --> 56:04.880]  Yes, and Ron, give out that website one more time where people can go so that they can donate and find out more information about the schedule and all of that as it progresses.
[56:04.880 --> 56:06.880]  Okay, very good.
[56:06.880 --> 56:11.880]  That is silvereagletaphouse.com.
[56:11.880 --> 56:21.880]  Click on the logo and then go to the menu on the left-hand side and go all the way down to the bottom and click on it, and it will take you to the chip-in page where you can donate.
[56:21.880 --> 56:23.880]  All right.
[56:23.880 --> 56:28.880]  Callers, if you'd like to call in and speak with Ron, 512-646-1984.
[56:28.880 --> 56:31.880]  This is excellent, excellent stuff here.
[56:31.880 --> 56:38.880]  And we are also going to be streaming video as well as audio of the entire event.
[56:38.880 --> 56:47.880]  We'll have more information on that and where the links will be as this planning stage progresses.
[56:47.880 --> 56:50.880]  So there will be streaming audio, streaming video.
[56:50.880 --> 56:57.880]  We're going to be streaming the audio live on ruleoflawradio.com and here on 90.1 FM.
[56:57.880 --> 57:05.880]  But, folks, don't – if you're here in Austin, don't just sit home or – and listen to the radio or whatever.
[57:05.880 --> 57:07.880]  You've got to get out to this event.
[57:07.880 --> 57:13.880]  This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal here that something like this – something this huge would be held in Austin.
[57:13.880 --> 57:17.880]  Last time we had something like this, we had to go to Los Angeles.
[57:17.880 --> 57:19.880]  So this is just fantastic.
[57:19.880 --> 57:20.880]  I am so excited.
[57:20.880 --> 57:21.880]  Bob Bowman, all these people.
[57:21.880 --> 57:24.880]  Ron, can you stay with us for a few more minutes?
[57:24.880 --> 57:26.880]  Because I have some more questions for you.
[57:26.880 --> 57:27.880]  Sure.
[57:27.880 --> 57:28.880]  Okay, fantastic.
[57:28.880 --> 57:29.880]  Again, we're about to go to break.
[57:29.880 --> 57:39.880]  But again, callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984 and go to SilverEagleTapHouse.com.
[57:39.880 --> 57:46.880]  And you'll see on the menu at the bottom, on the left, there's a link that says,
[57:46.880 --> 57:51.880]  Support Texas Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
[57:51.880 --> 57:54.880]  And that is the chip-in button.
[57:54.880 --> 57:57.880]  And that will lead you to the chip-in button, a page where there will be more information
[57:57.880 --> 58:01.880]  so that we can help support Ron in this event.
[58:01.880 --> 58:04.880]  These people are doing everything to get the truth out there.
[58:04.880 --> 58:07.880]  They're putting their professional credibility on the line.
[58:07.880 --> 58:10.880]  They're spending their own money.
[58:10.880 --> 58:11.880]  We're going to be there.
[58:11.880 --> 58:13.880]  We're going to bring sound system.
[58:13.880 --> 58:16.880]  We're going to broadcast the events.
[58:16.880 --> 58:19.880]  And we need your help because it's very expensive.
[58:19.880 --> 58:21.880]  It's going to cost several thousand dollars to rent the room and everything.
[58:21.880 --> 58:24.880]  And it is a free event, so we need your donations.
[58:24.880 --> 58:30.880]  We'll be right back with Ron Avery, Architects from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
[58:30.880 --> 58:33.880]  Callers, 512-646-1984.
[58:33.880 --> 58:35.880]  We'll be right back.
[58:35.880 --> 59:03.880]  My name is Randall Kelton, and I co-host on Rule of Law Radio.
[59:03.880 --> 59:08.880]  We specialize in showing people how to strike back against corrupt public officials.
[59:08.880 --> 59:12.880]  With the mortgage crisis worsening, we set our sights on finding a remedy
[59:12.880 --> 59:15.880]  for people who have been cheated by their lenders.
[59:15.880 --> 59:20.880]  If you have a mortgage or have paid yours off, you have probably been cheated out of thousands.
[59:20.880 --> 59:21.880]  But there is a remedy.
[59:21.880 --> 59:29.880]  Go to remediesinrealestate.com or call me at 512-430-4140
[59:29.880 --> 59:34.880]  and find out how to use the consumer protection laws to recover what the lenders have stolen
[59:34.880 --> 59:36.880]  through fraud and deception.
[59:36.880 --> 59:40.880]  We will prepare for you a qualified written request that will expose the fraud
[59:40.880 --> 59:42.880]  and put the lenders on the dime.
[59:42.880 --> 59:47.880]  Lender fraud is bankrupting this country, and it's time to fight back.
[59:47.880 --> 59:54.880]  Go to remediesinrealestate.com or call 512-430-4140
[59:54.880 --> 01:00:03.880]  and get the information you need to stop the money changers in their tracks.
[01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:08.880]  Liberal and progressive organizations that helped propel Barack Obama to the White House
[01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:12.880]  are now turning on him a little more than a year after he took office.
[01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.880]  Their collective discontent on issues from health care to nuclear energy
[01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.880]  to the handling of terrorism suspects could mean bad news for Democrats
[01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:23.880]  during this year's midterm elections.
[01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.880]  The State Department says in its latest human rights report,
[01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.880]  many governments use the Internet to curtail freedom of expression.
[01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:35.880]  The report highlights human rights violations in China against the Uighurs
[01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.880]  and extrajudicial killings in North Korea.
[01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.880]  Iran's human rights record also degenerated after elections.
[01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.880]  Barack Obama has urged China to raise the value of the yuan
[01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.880]  and thus benefit U.S. exporters.
[01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.880]  Obama said China should help rebalance global trade to ensure
[01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.880]  that U.S. goods were not completely disadvantaged.
[01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:01.880]  His comments risk upsetting Beijing, which says currency issues are an internal matter.
[01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:06.880]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:10.880]  A new report by the Congressional Oversight Panel to be released Thursday
[01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.880]  says the Treasury Department sank billions into auto finance giant GMAC
[01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.880]  without proof the company was viable and without an exit strategy.
[01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:24.880]  The decision could cost taxpayers $6.3 billion.
[01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.880]  The government said the bailout was needed to save troubled automakers
[01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:29.880]  General Motors and Chrysler.
[01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:34.880]  GMAC provides interim financing to auto dealers for their fleets
[01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.880]  until cars can be sold to consumers.
[01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.880]  The report says GMAC faced far fewer conditions than the bailed-out automakers.
[01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.880]  When the automakers were rescued, they were forced into bankruptcy.
[01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.880]  Shareholders lost their investments, creditors took a hit,
[01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:54.880]  and executives were forced to detail plans for making the companies viable.
[01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.880]  GMAC was treated more like a bailed-out bank,
[01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.880]  not having to explain what it was doing with the money.
[01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.880]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Network.
[01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:09.880]  New research by University of California professor Dr. Kirsten Bibbins Domingo
[01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.880]  reveals that over the last decade, soda consumption has conservatively caused
[01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:20.880]  130,000 new cases of diabetes and 14,000 new cases of heart disease.
[01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:22.880]  Bibbins Domingo says,
[01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.880]  The findings suggest that any kind of policy that reduces consumption
[01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.880]  might have a dramatic health benefit.
[01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.880]  The lobbyists American Beverage Association says the study doesn't count
[01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.880]  because it hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.
[01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:41.880]  Critics blast the lobbyists' defense, saying high fructose corn syrup,
[01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:46.880]  sometimes dubbed liquid Satan, should be considered a dietary poison
[01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.880]  that causes disease while contributing to nutritional deficiencies
[01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:52.880]  that accelerate disease.
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[01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:50.880]  Okay, we are back.
[01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:58.880]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens.
[01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.880]  We are here with a very special guest, Ron Avery from Architects and Engineers
[01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:06.880]  for 911 Truth.
[01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.880]  And Ron, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions.
[01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:15.880]  Okay, you're going to have some brochures on this event.
[01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:17.880]  Where could people get the brochures?
[01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.880]  And you need to give me some so we can put them at Brave New Books.
[01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:27.880]  Okay, well, we have put off finalizing them until this very hour
[01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:32.880]  because we didn't know until earlier today that Alex Jones had agreed
[01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.880]  to be one of our speakers.
[01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.880]  We thought it would be good to have him as he was one of the initial questioners
[01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.880]  of the 911 official story.
[01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:46.880]  And so we thought since he's an Austinite,
[01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:50.880]  we thought it would be very great to have him as a speaker.
[01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:57.880]  And he did finally agree to do that, but it was only just a few hours ago.
[01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:01.880]  So as soon as we finalize and make that change to our brochure,
[01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:03.880]  we will be getting them out to people.
[01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:08.880]  I can send you a PDF copy of that on email,
[01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.880]  and you can print it and use it wherever.
[01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:12.880]  Oh, that's fantastic.
[01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:14.880]  So people can print off their own brochures.
[01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:15.880]  Sure.
[01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:17.880]  Wonderful, wonderful.
[01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:24.880]  And I am going to be posting links to all of these sites and PDF files.
[01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:29.880]  So definitely get that to me, and I will link it on my site as well.
[01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:30.880]  Very good.
[01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.880]  Yeah, I'll just probably post then at our Web site the actual file,
[01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.880]  so people can just go to it and download it straight from there.
[01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:42.880]  The Silver Eagle Tap House?
[01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:43.880]  Yeah, I can put it there.
[01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.880]  I'll put it at that location for now.
[01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:48.880]  We just don't have a better place to do it.
[01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:55.880]  We could also put it at meetup.com forward slash Tap House.
[01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.880]  That's where we can also place files that you could download from.
[01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:01.880]  All right, so folks, if you're on Meetup,
[01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:09.880]  if you're a member of meetup.com, go to meetup.com forward slash Tap House.
[01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:10.880]  That's right.
[01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.880]  Now, just as an aside, what is the Tap House?
[01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:20.880]  Well, that is a bar that I built about 11, well, 14 years ago,
[01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.880]  and it is a Patriot bar.
[01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:24.880]  We call it the Patriot Bar of Texas,
[01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:31.880]  and we've hosted everybody from G. Edward Griffin to Randy Weaver to,
[01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:36.880]  you just about name it, we've had all kinds of Patriot speakers.
[01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:40.880]  Dave von Kleist was there several times.
[01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.880]  We've had, let's see, Michael New.
[01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:50.880]  We held the first fundraiser for Michael New ever was held there.
[01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:55.880]  We've had some big news people come out to cover some stories there.
[01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:00.880]  So we kind of have a reputation of hosting Patriot events.
[01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:02.880]  Where is the Tap House?
[01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:07.880]  It is in McQueenie, Texas, about 50 miles south of Austin
[01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:13.880]  between New Braunfels and Seguin, Texas on Highway 725.
[01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:14.880]  Wonderful.
[01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:19.880]  So folks in the Austin, San Antonio, New Braunfels, San Marcos area,
[01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:21.880]  please visit the Tap House now.
[01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:23.880]  Is it the Silver Eagle Tap House?
[01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.880]  Is that the website for the Tap House?
[01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:26.880]  Yes, it is.
[01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:27.880]  Let me say this.
[01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:31.880]  I closed it generally of December 31st of last year,
[01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.880]  and we're only open there now for special events,
[01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:40.880]  and on our Saturdays for our Saturday meetup group meets there every Saturday.
[01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:41.880]  Okay. All right.
[01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:42.880]  Very good.
[01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:43.880]  So it's not open on a regular basis?
[01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:45.880]  It's not open to the public anymore.
[01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:46.880]  No, that's right.
[01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:47.880]  Well, that's too bad.
[01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:48.880]  Yes, it is.
[01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:49.880]  All right.
[01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:55.880]  The other question I wanted to ask you, Ron, is how did you get into all of this?
[01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.880]  I mean, on the day of 9-11 and you saw the building fall,
[01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.880]  did you just like immediately go, no way, no way?
[01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:06.880]  Or did it, I mean, how did you get into this and decide to do something about it?
[01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.880]  When did you recognize that there was something wrong here?
[01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:11.880]  Well, that's a very good question.
[01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:16.880]  But I must say, first of all, I'd already been into the Patriot movement.
[01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:23.880]  I'd already had Michael Neu's first benefit, and I'd had Sheriff Mack there before.
[01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:28.880]  And some of these things, Patriot movements, were already in progress.
[01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:32.880]  And there were some groups in America that were already calling or predicting
[01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:37.880]  that the police state would arrive in America in the year of 2000,
[01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:43.880]  and they were one year off because the police state in America
[01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:50.880]  is based on the premise of the reality or the myth of the 9-11 event.
[01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:57.880]  And so those that had predicted it arriving in 2000 were a year off.
[01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:03.880]  And so when it happened, I knew right then that this would be the event
[01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.880]  that would bring about the police state in America.
[01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:11.880]  And then I, now, when I looked at it, though, from just the videos
[01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:18.880]  and the things that were being said about it, I could not tell anything from that.
[01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:22.880]  And, of course, they gave you misinformation,
[01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:28.880]  and an architect can be just as misled as anyone else if he's not given the right information.
[01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:34.880]  So it wasn't until information, more in-depth information,
[01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.880]  started coming out about the structure of the building,
[01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:45.880]  how it was really made and the potential of the things that were said about it actually happening.
[01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.880]  But I knew there was a flying ointment the very day of.
[01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:59.880]  I knew there was something more to it than just an airplane crash and a building falling down.
[01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.880]  So when did you decide to do something about it?
[01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:09.880]  And when did you decide to start researching the architectural structure of this building
[01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.880]  and getting into uncovering all this evidence?
[01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:14.880]  How did that come about?
[01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:21.880]  Well, I would say the first thing that I ran across that was really educational for me
[01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:28.880]  was a book that was written by, it was both a book and about a two-hour long video.
[01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:32.880]  And it was done by Eric Huff-Schmidt.
[01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:39.880]  And the book, he calls it Painful Questions, an Analysis of the September 11th Attack.
[01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:47.880]  And he covered just a lot of material in there about the World Trade Center and the Twin Towers,
[01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:55.880]  especially the 33-story or 32-story top part of the South Tower that tilted 22 degrees.
[01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:07.880]  And by all physics, it should have fallen in one compact structure that had integrity at least 32 stories tall.
[01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:13.880]  It'd be like a Pennzoil building in Houston falling off the top of the World Trade Center.
[01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:22.880]  And when I first saw that video, I was just grieved because I was kind of picturing in my mind
[01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:28.880]  that 32-story segment falling off onto the ground in one piece.
[01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.880]  And that was a proper and accurate fear, and it should have happened.
[01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:34.880]  But it did not happen.
[01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.880]  It was blown to smithereens long before it got to the bottom.
[01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:47.880]  Ron, I can't tell you how many times I have watched the video clip over and over and over
[01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:53.880]  of that section of the building that you're talking about, the top third basically of the building,
[01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.880]  as it's starting to lean over at like a 20, 30-degree angle,
[01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:07.880]  and then this huge cloud of dust comes up and engulfs it, and then it's just gone.
[01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:09.880]  And then it just disappears.
[01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.880]  Let me tell you mathematically what that really amounts to.
[01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:19.880]  That sets up, when anything starts into a rotation movement like that, it's called a moment.
[01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:23.880]  And you can calculate the moment of something about a particular point
[01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:31.880]  by multiplying the weight of it times the distance from the point it's rotating around
[01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:36.880]  to the midpoint, the center of it.
[01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.880]  And so I've done a calculation showing what that is,
[01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:50.880]  and it's 192 feet, it's rotating, the center of the mass is rotating 192 feet from the hinge.
[01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.880]  And then you take the weight of the upper third of that building,
[01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:08.880]  and you multiply it by 192 feet, and you arrive at 55,680,000 foot kips.
[01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.880]  And a kip is 1,000 pounds.
[01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:17.880]  So you're talking about, in order to stop that rotation about that hinge,
[01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.880]  you would have to apply the same force in the opposite direction.
[01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:31.880]  You would have to come up with 55,680,000 foot kips to be applied against that building to stop its rotation.
[01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:38.880]  Now, there was just nothing there to stop that, and it should have just come completely off of there.
[01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.880]  And it simply did not.
[01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.880]  It was blown up into the cloud by explosives.
[01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:45.880]  Wow.
[01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:47.880]  And that's amazing, Ron.
[01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.880]  That must have required an unbelievable amount of explosives.
[01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.880]  And I know exactly what you're talking about, because I have a degree in mathematics myself,
[01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.880]  so I've studied physics and angular momentum and all that kind of thing.
[01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.880]  This is just basic Newtonian physics here, people.
[01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:12.880]  I mean, there were steel beams, girders, that were catapulted over 600 feet away.
[01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:18.880]  There's pictures of it, giant chunks of steel girders that landed on top of the,
[01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.880]  I forgot what it was called, the something gardens.
[01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.880]  It was a glass building two football fields away.
[01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:31.880]  I mean, if you knew which floor it came from,
[01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:38.880]  you could calculate exactly the force that would have been required for that projectile.
[01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.880]  I mean, it's ridiculous.
[01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:41.880]  Yes.
[01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:42.880]  It's unbelievable.
[01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:44.880]  Okay, we've got some more callers.
[01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.880]  We've got Daryl from Austin.
[01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:49.880]  Hi, Deborah.
[01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:50.880]  Hey, Daryl.
[01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:51.880]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:52.880]  What is your question for our guest?
[01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:53.880]  Great.
[01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:55.880]  Well, I just wanted to comment on this.
[01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:57.880]  I'm glad that you're talking about 9-11.
[01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:01.880]  It is possibly the most important issue that we're dealing with right now.
[01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:08.880]  But I was really impressed by the media involvement in covering World Trade Center 7.
[01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:17.880]  Of course, they released the report that the building had collapsed prior to the collapse.
[01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:18.880]  Right.
[01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:19.880]  Had collapsed.
[01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:20.880]  That was the BBC.
[01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:21.880]  That was the BBC.
[01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.880]  And the reporter, Jane – I forgot her last name – she's – I'm sorry?
[01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:27.880]  Jane Stanley.
[01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:28.880]  Jane Stanley.
[01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:39.880]  She's standing there and there's Building 7 is behind her in the camera as she's saying that it had already collapsed.
[01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.880]  Come on, people.
[01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:48.880]  Maybe that was the British's subtle way of letting the public in the USA know what was going on.
[01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:49.880]  Oh, my God.
[01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:50.880]  Unbelievable.
[01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:51.880]  That's released too soon.
[01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:52.880]  Right.
[01:15:52.880 --> 01:16:01.880]  And well, regardless, several years after the fact, the head of BBC World issued a statement about it on his blog.
[01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:06.880]  And I think there was about 200 replies to it.
[01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:11.880]  And most of them just found his reply to be absolutely ridiculous and unsatisfactory.
[01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:17.880]  And the thing is, this reveals that they concealed their foreknowledge of this event
[01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:26.880]  because the coincidence is too strong to just say that, oh, we made a mistake is not sufficient explanation.
[01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:31.880]  And if there was a legitimate explanation for this, they would have offered it by now
[01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:34.880]  because they've come up with so much baloney.
[01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:41.880]  Because the media report corresponded to the event and they could not offer an explanation.
[01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:43.880]  Absolutely.
[01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:47.880]  Daryl, Daryl, stay on the line, we'll talk to you some more on the other side.
[01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:48.880]  We're going to break.
[01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:49.880]  Right.
[01:16:49.880 --> 01:17:00.880]  Callers, if you'd like to call in and speak with very special guest Ron Avery from Architects and Engineers, call in 512-646-1984.
[01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:01.880]  Hello, Austin.
[01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:05.880]  My name is Harlan Dietrich, owner of Brave New Books, a local independent bookstore here in town.
[01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:09.880]  Many of you are familiar with the bookstore and have attended some of our events.
[01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:14.880]  We've been proud to host speakers like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Mars, Katherine Albert, Webster Carpley,
[01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.880]  G. Edward Griffin, and many other heroic figures in the Patriot Movement.
[01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:20.880]  But now Brave New Books needs your help.
[01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:25.880]  In order to continue to provide a space for these events and be an outlet for hard-to-find materials,
[01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:29.880]  we're going to need you, Austin, to help spread the word about the bookstore.
[01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.880]  Please tell your friends and family about the wide variety of materials we offer.
[01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.880]  We also have DVD duplication capabilities for all you activists.
[01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:41.880]  Also, if you haven't visited us yet, please come down and show your support.
[01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:46.880]  It is so easy to support the big corporate chain stores that do nothing to further our message.
[01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:48.880]  Remember, you vote with your dollars.
[01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:50.880]  We're counting on you, Austin.
[01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:57.880]  If you need any information, please call 512-480-2503 or visit us at 1904 Guadalupe Street.
[01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:12.880]  Thank you, everyone.
[01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:13.880]  All right.
[01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:15.880]  We are back with Ron Avery.
[01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:17.880]  I am psyched.
[01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:19.880]  I am stoked to the hilt.
[01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.880]  I am so honored and blessed to be able to help you guys with this.
[01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:30.880]  It's humbling, and folks out there, I'm going to need a little bit of help.
[01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.880]  I'm going to be basically in charge of the sound system,
[01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.880]  and I've got people helping for the audio and streaming.
[01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:44.880]  But because it's such a huge event, it's going to be a 600-person room.
[01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:51.880]  We're going to need to set up projectors and screens along the sides and towards the back
[01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:57.880]  so that people who are in the middle and in the back will be able to see what's going on.
[01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:02.880]  We'll have cameras on the diagrams and the models and all this kind of thing.
[01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:08.880]  So folks out there, if you have experience with this sort of thing or projection equipment,
[01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:15.880]  professional stuff, not like your home slide projector or your home screen setup,
[01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:20.880]  but if you have connections with professional equipment and can help me out with this,
[01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:21.880]  I'd really appreciate it.
[01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:26.880]  Send me an email so that we can take care of all these things for Ron.
[01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.880]  I was flabbergasted when I called Ron yesterday
[01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.880]  and told him that I would like to broadcast the event on the radio.
[01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:39.880]  I asked him who was running sound for him in the audio-video streaming, and he said he was.
[01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:44.880]  Ron was going to run sound himself, bring his own sound system,
[01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:51.880]  and run his own audio-video streaming equipment, all of it, and be the main presenter
[01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:54.880]  and do all the models and the diagrams and deal with everything else.
[01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:58.880]  Ron, you're a dynamo, but I said no, Ron.
[01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.880]  You need to let us take some of that burden off of you.
[01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:04.880]  You just need to be concerned with your presentation.
[01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:07.880]  Let me correct you just a little bit.
[01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:09.880]  You've almost got it right.
[01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:15.880]  Let me say that I do have a very good team that's working with me.
[01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.880]  It's called We Are Change out of San Antonio.
[01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:26.880]  We have two or three volunteers also from We Are Change, Austin.
[01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:31.880]  Shanda had agreed to operate my little amplifier I had
[01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:37.880]  just for making small presentations and my speakers and remote mics.
[01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:40.880]  Then I had another.
[01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.880]  Hisna Joseph Lopez was going to run the laptop with the projector
[01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.880]  for stuff we wanted to download off the Internet.
[01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:57.880]  Then I was going to have someone operate my little bitty Sony camera for my live streaming.
[01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.880]  But that still was not what I was looking for.
[01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:09.880]  When you came along with this volunteer idea of doing all this, I couldn't pass that up.
[01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:13.880]  Well, Ron, like I said, I'm humbled and honored and blessed that I can help.
[01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:20.880]  We're just going to make this just an unbelievable knock it out of the ballpark event.
[01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.880]  We're going to go back to Darryl in Austin now.
[01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.880]  Darryl, please continue.
[01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:28.880]  Sorry we were going to break when you were speaking.
[01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.880]  It's great.
[01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:36.880]  I think this whole thing about the media cover-up warrants some really close scrutiny
[01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:41.880]  because it really could be one of the several checkmates in this issue
[01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:45.880]  in uncovering corporate complicity in the event.
[01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:51.880]  Because the BBC AP Reuters, nobody will even admit that they knew
[01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.880]  that they had foreknowledge of the event, that they even had any evidence.
[01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:00.880]  But the cat's out of the bag, folks.
[01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:09.880]  They released the report and it was very clear that came through on many major mainstream media outlets
[01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:12.880]  that the billing had collapsed.
[01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:14.880]  That was the report.
[01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:19.880]  But looking at this incident, all anybody knew about the condition of World Trade Center 7
[01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:25.880]  is that there were some relatively minor office fires going on in it.
[01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:29.880]  There was no reason to suspect that that building would collapse.
[01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:35.880]  Because prior to the day, no steel frame building has collapsed due to fire.
[01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:39.880]  Of course, one of the videos that came out, too,
[01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:43.880]  and was taken during the collapse of the World Trade Center
[01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:49.880]  was one where Giuliani was saying that one of the Twin Towers was going to collapse as well.
[01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:56.880]  How do you know that kind of stuff from just having a plane crash and a fire?
[01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:02.880]  The firemen certainly didn't know it because the firemen climbed right on up in the South Tower
[01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:07.880]  and reached the floor 78, the first damaged floor,
[01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:13.880]  and they said they had a couple of pockets of fire and they were going to put it out with two lines,
[01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:15.880]  two fire hoses.
[01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:19.880]  Apparently, the firemen weren't scared of all this.
[01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:24.880]  In fact, that's why I believe the discovery of nanothermite involved in this,
[01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:29.880]  the explosive residues and some unexploded nanothermite,
[01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:37.880]  is that it changes the whole notion of how we look at the destruction of the World Trade Center.
[01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:41.880]  It also reveals that that's why Tower 2 had to come down first
[01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.880]  because if the firemen would have put the fire out,
[01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:50.880]  well then, whoever wired those buildings, and we know they were wired,
[01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:55.880]  we know there was nanothermite in them, what were they going to do then?
[01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:00.880]  Whoever wired it certainly couldn't have the fires put out.
[01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:05.880]  They had to be destroyed before the fires went out.
[01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:15.880]  I believe that's why Tower 2 fell first because the fire was going to be put out in it.
[01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.880]  Indeed.
[01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.880]  So to quote Giuliani, they had to pull it.
[01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:31.880]  Well, that was the pulling remark came from Silverstein, Larry Silverstein.
[01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:32.880]  Silverstein, yeah.
[01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:42.880]  The leaseholder that leased it six weeks ahead of 9-11.
[01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:43.880]  Incredible.
[01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:46.880]  Anything else, Daryl?
[01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:48.880]  That's all fascinating information.
[01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:54.880]  Another thing I'd like to throw in briefly is one of the things that people come up with
[01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.880]  when they just can't believe that there could be corporate complicity
[01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:02.880]  and 9-11 and government complicity is why would they do that?
[01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.880]  They just can't wrap their minds around it.
[01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:12.880]  Well, throw the Virginia resolutions on them and the Project for a New American Century document
[01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:18.880]  called Rebuilding America's Defenses where you have really stark information up here
[01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:20.880]  of how this is why they would do it.
[01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.880]  I mean, Thomas Jefferson repeatedly wrote this, the Virginia resolutions in response
[01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:34.880]  to the Alien Incidition Act, and he says that this legislation will furnish new counties
[01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:43.880]  against Republican government and new pretext, pretext for those who wish it to be believed
[01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:48.880]  that man cannot be governed by a rod of iron.
[01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:50.880]  And what do we have after 9-11?
[01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:57.880]  It's the justification for every kind of despotic legislation, nightmarish legislation
[01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.880]  that has come across this country.
[01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:01.880]  That's correct.
[01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:08.880]  And one of them was the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act of 2007,
[01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:11.880]  which, I mean, I'm still amazed that people don't know about this.
[01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:14.880]  I run into people that are like, what?
[01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:20.880]  Amma was on that committee when he was a senator to push that through, and frantically,
[01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:22.880]  we patriots rode in.
[01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:24.880]  I rode every one of those people.
[01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:27.880]  We were just like alarmed that these people were going to become
[01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.880]  busting down our doors at any minute.
[01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:31.880]  Right.
[01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:33.880]  Daryl, you are absolutely correct.
[01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:37.880]  This is why I am so on it for 9-11 Truth.
[01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:39.880]  It's one of my main missions in life.
[01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:45.880]  It's not my main mission in life right now to get this kind of evidence into the court system
[01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:54.880]  so we can have justice once and for all because 9-11 is the cornerstone for the entire police state,
[01:26:54.880 --> 01:27:02.880]  all these tyrannical draconian measures, the Patriot Act, the whole Department of Homeland Security,
[01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:08.880]  and also TSA, all this crap, the backscatter machines and naked body scanners,
[01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.880]  all the wiretapping, everything.
[01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:20.880]  It's all based on the lie of 9-11, and if we can expose it once and for all publicly,
[01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:25.880]  what really happened, I really think that the whole House of Cards will come crumbling down
[01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:31.880]  regarding this entire draconian police state because they don't have anything else
[01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:35.880]  other than the Oklahoma City bombing, which was an inside job too,
[01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:38.880]  and there is so much evidence on that.
[01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:42.880]  Chris Emory, one of my best friends in the whole world, his show Radio Free Oklahoma,
[01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:46.880]  they discuss this frequently on their show on Wednesday nights.
[01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:54.880]  Once we bust open 9-11 and especially in addition the Oklahoma City bombing,
[01:27:54.880 --> 01:28:02.880]  I really think we will get a lot of this nightmarish draconian legislation repealed
[01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.880]  and just totally done away with.
[01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.880]  We've got to do this, people. It's our freedom.
[01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:12.880]  Yeah, I don't buy any of all of this conspiracy stuff.
[01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.880]  I just have one minor question.
[01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:21.880]  What was Zachariah Masawi doing registered in the same motel
[01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:25.880]  on the day of the J.P. Murrow building as Terry McVeigh?
[01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:29.880]  Yeah. Oh, come on. Come on.
[01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:34.880]  Those guys are obviously they were working for the CIA.
[01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:43.880]  It's documented, and they were together in the same hotel before the Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:46.880]  Give me a break, people.
[01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:48.880]  That was sheer coincidence.
[01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:54.880]  There is so much evidence. It's insurmountable. It's unsurmountable.
[01:28:54.880 --> 01:29:02.880]  If you guys haven't read the final reports, the Oklahoma City bombing commission
[01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:07.880]  led by Charles Key, I believe, put together this investigation, it's devastating.
[01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.880]  It's absolutely devastating.
[01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:14.880]  So, yeah, we've got to keep pushing. We've got to keep pushing.
[01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.880]  We are making a difference.
[01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.880]  Which leads to my question.
[01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:22.880]  How do we get past the cognitive dissonance?
[01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:24.880]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.880]  How do we get past the people who look at this and somewhere in their mind think,
[01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:37.880]  if I accept that what you're saying is true, I have to give up all my personal security?
[01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:41.880]  Absolutely. All right, we're going to answer that question on the other side.
[01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:43.880]  Daryl, did you have anything else?
[01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:47.880]  All right, you are, just like George Bush said.
[01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:49.880]  Well, wait a minute. Hold on. We're going to break.
[01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:51.880]  Do you need to stay on the other side?
[01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:52.880]  We're good.
[01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:53.880]  Okay, great. Thank you.
[01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:54.880]  I'll see you out of the way.
[01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:55.880]  Thank you, Daryl.
[01:29:55.880 --> 01:29:59.880]  If you'd like to stay and make a comment on Randy's question, you're welcome to.
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[01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:26.880]  Okay, we are back.
[01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.880]  And before we go back to your question,
[01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:35.880]  I'm getting repeated Skype chats from Bill and Christine Veith,
[01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:37.880]  who say that they know you, Ron.
[01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:39.880]  Christine is one of my best friends in the whole world.
[01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:40.880]  You're a kid.
[01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:45.880]  Bill and Veith are my other two best friends, other than Randy and Wes,
[01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:47.880]  and, you know, my husband and Eddie.
[01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:49.880]  Bill and Christine are two of my closest friends,
[01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:53.880]  and she's sending me Skype chats telling me to tell you hello.
[01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:55.880]  Well, hello back.
[01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.880]  We're good friends, and Bill and Christine both.
[01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:05.880]  Yes, and she wanted me to let you know that they're donating to the event
[01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:09.880]  to help fund some of the expenses for the equipment in the room and everything,
[01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:11.880]  so she just wanted me to let you know that.
[01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:12.880]  That is fantastic.
[01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:13.880]  Thank you very much.
[01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:14.880]  Absolutely.
[01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.880]  Okay, so back to the question.
[01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:19.880]  And callers, if you'd like to call in and comment on this question,
[01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:24.880]  it's a very good question that Randy has concerning cognitive dissonance
[01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:31.880]  and how to present this information to people so they don't summarily just reject it
[01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:37.880]  because it would cause their paradigm to crash.
[01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:39.880]  And so this is a very good question.
[01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:40.880]  Go ahead, Ron, please.
[01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:43.880]  It is a very good question, and I've come up with something
[01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:51.880]  because I've noticed that the question always given to those who are questioning the 9-11,
[01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.880]  you know, what the real facts of what happened that day,
[01:32:55.880 --> 01:33:00.880]  the news media always ask the question, including, you know, people like Glenn Beck
[01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:03.880]  and major network people, they will say,
[01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.880]  do you actually believe the government had something to do
[01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.880]  or in some way involved with 9-11?
[01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:14.880]  And, you know, really that's a trick question.
[01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.880]  It's a lawyer trick.
[01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:23.880]  Like if you were in a deposition and a lawyer was trying to get you to admit
[01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:27.880]  that you had a contract with somebody, he wouldn't use the word contract.
[01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:31.880]  He wouldn't say, did you have a contract with Billy?
[01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:35.880]  And, you know, the person would certainly say, no, I didn't.
[01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:44.880]  But what a lawyer will do is he says, well, when did you first have this deal with Billy?
[01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:48.880]  Well, you know, if you're not thinking real clear, you'll say, well, you know,
[01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.880]  it's back on some date.
[01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.880]  Well, a deal is different from a contract.
[01:33:53.880 --> 01:34:01.880]  And so the government is also different from what or who in government had something to do with it.
[01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:08.880]  So they're asking you a global question that does not have really a global answer.
[01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:12.880]  But I found one answer that just really is good for that.
[01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.880]  And it's actually an answer that I believe.
[01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:22.880]  And it's I don't believe the government actually did this crime on 9-11 at the World Trade Center.
[01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:30.880]  I believe that we have a foreign army, a foreign military that is acting in our country.
[01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:37.880]  And when people hear that, they take a whole different perspective of it.
[01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:42.880]  And when you say, now, there may be some people in our government
[01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.880]  that are protecting this foreign military in its operations,
[01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:50.880]  but it's not really the government of Americans.
[01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.880]  It's not an American government project.
[01:34:53.880 --> 01:35:00.880]  It is a small group of political operatives that are covering up for the fact
[01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.880]  that we have a foreign military operating in our country.
[01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:07.880]  And they are much more willing to hear that and entertain that than they are,
[01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:13.880]  oh, yeah, your local FBI guy or your local police department
[01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:19.880]  or your local mayor had something to do with that.
[01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:21.880]  That's a good point.
[01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:30.880]  And it's adding to that, since I've been doing radio, I've seen a dramatic shift.
[01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:35.880]  Originally, people were talking about those who were asleep and those who were awake.
[01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:37.880]  We don't hear that anymore.
[01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.880]  If you're not awake now, you're in a coma.
[01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:48.880]  So have you noticed a difference in people's receptiveness
[01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:56.880]  to the possibility that this was not done by the folks that are accused of doing it?
[01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:00.880]  Well, I will say this.
[01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:05.880]  Of course, I've been heavy into 9-11 for some time, especially being an architect.
[01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:14.880]  I see it really as my professional duty to prove the real facts of 9-11.
[01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:20.880]  And I believe there are a lot of other architects now that feel the same obligation
[01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:27.880]  to do this on behalf of their own profession because they are really using our work
[01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:32.880]  to do their crimes and state crimes, if you might want to call it that.
[01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:38.880]  And we can't permit this for the health and welfare of society.
[01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:43.880]  So this must be resisted and proven, what the real facts of it are.
[01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:49.880]  But I have noticed this, and I don't know that there's any really good way around this totally,
[01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:55.880]  because it all depends on the individual and what's in his mind and heart.
[01:36:55.880 --> 01:37:09.880]  Most people generally are not comfortable with the idea that there are people high up in government
[01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:13.880]  in holding office, even if they be politicians.
[01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:19.880]  It's amazing how much they curse these people from day to day and what they're doing in the legislation.
[01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:26.880]  Obama and this horrible socialistic medicine thing and all these other guys,
[01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:31.880]  including Republicans and what they do and the spending and all.
[01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:34.880]  They just curse those people night and day on that.
[01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:42.880]  They bring up 9-11 and the political cover-up of that, and they just clam up.
[01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:46.880]  It's like they just turn white, like they've seen a ghost all of a sudden.
[01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:53.880]  And the reason is, I believe, is that it takes them totally out of their comfort zone,
[01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:55.880]  because they like to vote.
[01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:57.880]  They feel like voting takes care of everything.
[01:37:57.880 --> 01:38:03.880]  Just vote every four years and you get the right administration in there and things are going to improve.
[01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:07.880]  But they do not like the idea that the country is so far gone
[01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:13.880]  that portions of it running it can actually destroy the rest of it.
[01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.880]  And they have no solution for it.
[01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:23.880]  They don't have any internal capacity to say, I can live with this truth.
[01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:25.880]  I know how to handle this truth.
[01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:28.880]  I'm going to take this truth and I'm going to go do something with it.
[01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:30.880]  They can't. They're not there.
[01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.880]  They just don't know how to deal with the truth.
[01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:35.880]  Absolutely.
[01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:37.880]  And Todd from Ohio, I see you there.
[01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:44.880]  I just want to make a comment before we go to your call concerning this cognitive dissonance thing.
[01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:49.880]  One of the most common responses that I get, and I've heard this from other people too,
[01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:56.880]  when they start discussing this issue with people who aren't awake yet, who are just finding out about it,
[01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:01.880]  you have to tell them about the forensic evidence and they interrupt you
[01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:06.880]  and they want to jump to the end and say, well, then who did it then?
[01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:08.880]  And how many people were involved?
[01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:13.880]  And how could they possibly keep it a secret this long and all this kind of thing?
[01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:21.880]  And so they use that to convince themselves that the facts that you're presenting just couldn't possibly be true.
[01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:25.880]  And so one thing that I've learned to do when I'm dealing with people like that
[01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:29.880]  is to say, well, now you're asking me to speculate.
[01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:35.880]  Now you're asking me to get into pure speculation and that I'm not going to do.
[01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:37.880]  I'm not going to go there with you on that.
[01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:40.880]  We haven't gotten to that part yet.
[01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:45.880]  But what we do have is we do have this particular evidence.
[01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:48.880]  We do know that these are the facts here.
[01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:51.880]  And so that's what we're going to discuss.
[01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:57.880]  And my main point is that we need a new investigation and the government's story is a lie.
[01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:04.880]  But I'm not going to get into speculation about who possibly could have been involved or how many or any of this sort of thing.
[01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.880]  I will only agree to discuss facts.
[01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:10.880]  So let's just talk about that for now.
[01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:23.880]  And that generally seems to sort of diffuse that particular kind of response and get people to be a little bit more reasonable.
[01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:32.880]  Well, there is one thing about it, though, that in police work when you're investigating a homicide or something of that nature,
[01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:38.880]  there's always one question and it's usually the first question, who benefits?
[01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:43.880]  When you're trying to figure out who had motive, cause and opportunity
[01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:50.880]  and a reason that would give them everything, the motivation needed to do this, who benefits?
[01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:51.880]  Correct.
[01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:52.880]  Yes.
[01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:57.880]  And I used to know a guy who epitomized my concern here.
[01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:01.880]  And this was a grown man that actually said this to me.
[01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:08.880]  Well, by God, that's the way it is, and I don't want to hear no proof to the contrary.
[01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:10.880]  Sounds like most officers.
[01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:11.880]  I like this one.
[01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:12.880]  I think it's kind of humorous.
[01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:21.880]  You know, I'll present this evidence to someone and they'll say, well, you know, Ron, you can hold that opinion if you want to.
[01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:22.880]  But I don't.
[01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:24.880]  That's not my opinion.
[01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:28.880]  And I'd say, well, you know, it's not an opinion.
[01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:34.880]  I said that what I've just got through telling you is facts and I didn't tell you an opinion.
[01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:39.880]  Now, you told me that I had an opinion when I just had some facts.
[01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:41.880]  And now you say your opinion.
[01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:48.880]  I would say I would like to entertain your opinion if your opinion can explain the facts.
[01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:54.880]  But if your opinion doesn't explain the facts, then it's the wrong opinion.
[01:41:54.880 --> 01:42:02.880]  And so people move away from facts and they want to put everybody in just what you want to believe.
[01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:10.880]  It's what, in other words, the truth in the world is just what you want to believe, not what is the truth.
[01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:11.880]  Exactly.
[01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:19.880]  And one of the other things that I will say sometimes, too, when people are like, well, the government could never do something like that.
[01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:20.880]  How dare you?
[01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.880]  You think the government would actually kill its own citizens?
[01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:26.880]  You think they'd actually try to pull something off like this?
[01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.880]  What I do is I say this is the history of the world.
[01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.880]  Governments pull these false flag operations all the time.
[01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:38.880]  As long as we have had a history of mankind, this is what governments do.
[01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:46.880]  And I bring up the Northwoods documents, which is well documented and declassified on mainstream media, ABC News.
[01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:49.880]  And I bring up the Gulf of Tonkin.
[01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:54.880]  Hundreds of thousands of soldiers, of our soldiers died.
[01:42:54.880 --> 01:43:00.880]  Millions of people died in Vietnam based on a lie of the Gulf of Tonkin.
[01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:02.880]  This is mainstream media.
[01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:03.880]  This is well documented.
[01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:06.880]  So I say, of course, what are you talking about?
[01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:08.880]  The government kills its own citizens all the time.
[01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.880]  We're over in Iraq right now.
[01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:18.880]  The government is killing our soldiers as we speak and other people based on a lie of the weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist.
[01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:20.880]  So, yes, people.
[01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:23.880]  And that usually seems to calm them down a little bit, too.
[01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:26.880]  Yeah, remember the main.
[01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:28.880]  Brought us into the Spanish-American War.
[01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:30.880]  Lusitania.
[01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:38.880]  But I think I'd like to go back to the concept of, well, you know, if we could all just hold the same opinion, would that change the fact?
[01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:40.880]  Really?
[01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:41.880]  It wouldn't.
[01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:43.880]  This is the doublethink.
[01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:45.880]  This is the Orwellian doublethink.
[01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:48.880]  Okay, listen, we got one more segment.
[01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:50.880]  Ron, I am so happy you stayed with us the whole time.
[01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:51.880]  This is great.
[01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.880]  Well, I guess I'll drop off now.
[01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:55.880]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:56.880]  We've got a caller, Todd from Ohio.
[01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:57.880]  We'll be right back.
[01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:05.880]  Okay.
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[01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:25.880]  Amen.
[01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:27.880]  That's some Route 1 music for you, my husband.
[01:45:27.880 --> 01:45:28.880]  All right.
[01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:31.880]  Callers, we've got one final segment left in the show.
[01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:33.880]  One final segment left with Ron Avery.
[01:45:33.880 --> 01:45:38.880]  We originally had only planned to have him on as a guest for a segment or two just to promote the event,
[01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.880]  but this has turned into one of the best shows we've ever had here on Rule of Law Radio.
[01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:44.880]  So happy to have you on, Ron.
[01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:46.880]  And we are the callers.
[01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.880]  If you'd like to call in, one final segment to speak with Ron.
[01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:52.880]  512-646-1984.
[01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:54.880]  And we've got Todd from Ohio on the line.
[01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:56.880]  Todd, thanks for calling in.
[01:45:56.880 --> 01:45:59.880]  What is your question or comment for our guest?
[01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:01.880]  A couple comments.
[01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:04.880]  I listen to the show, you know that.
[01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:10.880]  And I love your controlled demolitions song that you did with Three Shoes Posse, by the way.
[01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:16.880]  I actually was a flaming liberal before I found out about 9-11 Truth.
[01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:19.880]  I didn't understand politics, economics or anything.
[01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:22.880]  I was just basically voting for whoever I liked or hated.
[01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:27.880]  The 9-11 Truth movement opened the gates for me to discover everything else that I've discovered.
[01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:28.880]  Wow.
[01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:32.880]  And I think that what you're doing and what I was doing when I was with 9-11 Truth Cleveland,
[01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:36.880]  and it kind of dissipated, I think, because there was a bunch of socialists in there,
[01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:41.880]  and petty differences probably broke up the group along with finances and whatnot.
[01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:45.880]  But what you're doing is important for everything.
[01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.880]  I appreciate that, and I do see that that is true.
[01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:54.880]  I've heard a lot of people tell me, they will say, well, Ron, this is history.
[01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:58.880]  We need to move on with things that are happening today.
[01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:05.880]  And I reject that because I say, well, yes, but if we don't deal with the truth of what happened on 9-11,
[01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:12.880]  it has become the cornerstone of every political decision made in Washington
[01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:19.880]  and in our state capitals are all based on the myth of 9-11 and what really happened.
[01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:22.880]  That's why we have a Department of Homeland Security.
[01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:26.880]  That's why the state of Texas has a Department of Homeland Security.
[01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.880]  And it's all based on the wrong notion.
[01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:43.880]  And we're not going to fix it until we fix what brought about the tyranny that we have in our land right now.
[01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:44.880]  Absolutely.
[01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:49.880]  Dealing with 9-11 is dealing with the events of today and the issues of today.
[01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:50.880]  Yes, it is.
[01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:52.880]  There's no question about it.
[01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:57.880]  And it all connected for me because it all just shows that an unchecked government cannot be trusted.
[01:47:57.880 --> 01:48:00.880]  And, you know, government is not meant to be trusted with total power at all,
[01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:03.880]  especially when you see where you get the power from.
[01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:07.880]  Now, I know Randy was talking about cognitive dissonance.
[01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:11.880]  And man, when I first started off in this thing, I was hot and angry.
[01:48:11.880 --> 01:48:15.880]  And boy, I could bark down a tree, but I couldn't get rid of people
[01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:19.880]  because I never thought about who my audience was.
[01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:24.880]  Now, when I was talking to conservatives, you know, I'd say, you know, they'd say,
[01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:26.880]  oh, would the government really kill 3,000 people?
[01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.880]  And then I'd say, well, how many abortions are every year?
[01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:30.880]  They let those deaths happen.
[01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:31.880]  Why wouldn't they let that one?
[01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:36.880]  So everybody, you just kind of have to relate to them to make them understand that, hey, you know,
[01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:39.880]  you're defending the guys that do this that you don't like.
[01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:41.880]  But I guess it's more of an incremental approach.
[01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:44.880]  I mean, heck, they use it and it works beautiful for them.
[01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:48.880]  I got at least two or three friends at work that it took about a month or two
[01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.880]  and sometimes even a year for one of them to finally get the concepts.
[01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:57.880]  You just have to bring up a little bit at a time, have a solid argument that's not invasive
[01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.880]  because, heck, if these people are getting their paradigm changed,
[01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:03.880]  they can't be thrown directly into the fire.
[01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:05.880]  They have to realize it for themselves,
[01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:10.880]  and then that way they'll be soldiers for it instead of just people who know it and don't do anything.
[01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:15.880]  Well, I can guarantee you there is one easy way to spot a government conspiracy.
[01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:19.880]  It is an absolutely, and it's happened in every single one of them,
[01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:27.880]  and that is there is a sudden rash of accidental slash suicidal deaths of government officials.
[01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:28.880]  Oh, Arkansas?
[01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:34.880]  It happens every single time the government does something like this.
[01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:37.880]  And the deaths of all the biologists during the swine flu
[01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:40.880]  and it's basically about everything else that happens.
[01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:42.880]  I'm with you on that one.
[01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:47.880]  And to try to bring everything together, I guess people just need time,
[01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:52.880]  and one of the things I realize is they need to be treated like adults.
[01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.880]  I was acting like I knew everything and kind of forcing it down their throat,
[01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:59.880]  but these guys are men just like me and I have to treat them like what they are
[01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:01.880]  and let them find it for themselves,
[01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:06.880]  and that's what ended up working for me as long as I provide a good source of information for them
[01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:09.880]  and not acting as the dictator who I hate.
[01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:10.880]  Good point.
[01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:11.880]  Yeah.
[01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:13.880]  So that's the only points that I had.
[01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:18.880]  I went through a lot in the eight years that I've been studying this stuff,
[01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:20.880]  and you meet all kinds of people.
[01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:22.880]  You just need to know which ones you're wasting your time on
[01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:24.880]  because if you plant that seed, it's up to them to make it grow.
[01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:25.880]  It's not up to you.
[01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:30.880]  It's up to you to be there in case the seed needs extra advice.
[01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:31.880]  Excellent point.
[01:50:31.880 --> 01:50:32.880]  I agree.
[01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:34.880]  All right, guys, keep up the good work, man.
[01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:35.880]  I love your show.
[01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:39.880]  Continue to listen, and congratulations on what you're doing, and don't quit.
[01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:40.880]  Thanks.
[01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:41.880]  Thank you.
[01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:42.880]  Thanks, sir.
[01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:43.880]  Wonderful.
[01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:44.880]  Wonderful.
[01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.880]  Fantastic.
[01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:53.880]  Yeah, I think that there are ways to present this information to people
[01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:55.880]  and get them to understand things.
[01:50:55.880 --> 01:50:58.880]  You just have to find ways of relating to people,
[01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:03.880]  and another approach I've used is to ask them questions
[01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:10.880]  and to lead them to a place where they are able to see the flaws
[01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:15.880]  and see the inconsistencies in what they believe in a gentle way
[01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.880]  and get them to question themselves.
[01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:20.880]  That's another valid technique.
[01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:25.880]  And we have Chris Emery on the line here, like I was saying before,
[01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:31.880]  one of the premier people going after the Oklahoma City bombing debacle.
[01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:33.880]  He's a filmmaker, he's a guest.
[01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:35.880]  I mean, he's a host on this network.
[01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:36.880]  Chris, thanks for calling in.
[01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:38.880]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:39.880]  Hi, Deb.
[01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:41.880]  Thanks for taking my call.
[01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:43.880]  I got a heads-up from Randy here.
[01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:47.880]  I was in the studio just working on some miscellaneous film footage,
[01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.880]  and I understand you have Dr. Gage on as your guest this evening.
[01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:52.880]  No, no, we have Ron Avery on tonight.
[01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:53.880]  Ron Avery, okay.
[01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:54.880]  Good, good.
[01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:56.880]  I'm sorry about the mix-up there.
[01:51:56.880 --> 01:52:00.880]  But is Ron affiliated with the 9-11 or AE911 Truth?
[01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:01.880]  He's an architect.
[01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:04.880]  He's a member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
[01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:06.880]  He's putting on an event next Saturday.
[01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:08.880]  We're going to be there, and we're helping.
[01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:10.880]  We're going to be broadcasting it and everything.
[01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:11.880]  Awesome.
[01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:12.880]  I wish I could make it.
[01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.880]  Yes, I just wanted to relay.
[01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:18.880]  I guess I was like a number 135 out of the 7,000 supporters now,
[01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:20.880]  the miscellaneous ones that signed up.
[01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:22.880]  And as soon as I saw the Web site, I said,
[01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:24.880]  my gosh, this is exactly what they're needing.
[01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:26.880]  You guys are steering in the right direction.
[01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:31.880]  My background, I came in as a former civil engineering student turned filmmaker.
[01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:32.880]  It's kind of a long process there.
[01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:36.880]  But anyway, as soon as I saw the buildings collapse on 9-11,
[01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:38.880]  I knew there was something horribly wrong,
[01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:42.880]  having taken statics and strengths and moments of stress classes
[01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:44.880]  and having it drilled into my mind for years.
[01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.880]  So I'm very honored to be on that group.
[01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:53.880]  And as a filmmaker, as they say, 99% of the time, you don't have a dog in that hunt.
[01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.880]  You look at things objectively for what they are and what they're not,
[01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:00.880]  and you have to go with the facts to appoint you if you have any credibility.
[01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:02.880]  So you guys are doing an awesome job.
[01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:03.880]  Thank you.
[01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:07.880]  I wish I was going to be at that presentation, and I know you're going to do well.
[01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:09.880]  It's quite an honor.
[01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:10.880]  I'm looking at the Web site now.
[01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:12.880]  You have 1,115 accredited architects.
[01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.880]  That's amazing.
[01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:16.880]  Yes, it is.
[01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:19.880]  Twenty percent of them are from other countries.
[01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:22.880]  Eighty percent of them are from the United States.
[01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:26.880]  Well, I emphasize with what you're going through to a certain degree,
[01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:32.880]  we have been fighting the good fight up here for the truth for close to seven years,
[01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:36.880]  and my colleagues have some of them within 30 days after the bombing happened.
[01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:38.880]  So we see a repeat in history,
[01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:42.880]  so I can emphasize with your frustration and what you're going through.
[01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:46.880]  And really, you have 100% support of our group up here in Oklahoma City.
[01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:48.880]  Fantastic. Thank you.
[01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:49.880]  You're very welcome.
[01:53:49.880 --> 01:53:50.880]  Have a good evening, sir.
[01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:51.880]  All right.
[01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:52.880]  Thank you, Chris.
[01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:53.880]  Thank you.
[01:53:53.880 --> 01:53:54.880]  You're welcome.
[01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:57.880]  Chris Emery from Radio Free Oklahoma.
[01:53:57.880 --> 01:53:58.880]  He's a filmmaker.
[01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:01.880]  He is working on a documentary right now.
[01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:03.880]  It's taking several years to make,
[01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:08.880]  but he is in the process of putting together the documentary,
[01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:13.880]  the first and only documentary so far, one does not even exist yet,
[01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:17.880]  concerning the evidence of the Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:19.880]  It's unsurmountable.
[01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:26.880]  I mean, it's unbelievable the amount of evidence that these people have gathered
[01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:28.880]  on the Oklahoma City bombing.
[01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:29.880]  It's just amazing.
[01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:33.880]  I mean, this is excellent that we've got all these people doing these things.
[01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:39.880]  So, Ron, like I said, we really appreciate it very much, what you guys are doing.
[01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:42.880]  Yes, I'd like to thank you two for having me on the show tonight
[01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:49.880]  and for helping us promote the architects and engineers,
[01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:52.880]  the Texas portion of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth,
[01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:57.880]  our press conference and seminar that we're going to hold on the 20th
[01:54:57.880 --> 01:55:03.880]  at the DoubleTree Hotel there in Austin.
[01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.880]  And I just want to thank you for all the work you're doing
[01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:10.880]  and running the sound system and volunteering to do that
[01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:16.880]  and broadcast your show from there and have your friends also livestream it.
[01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:17.880]  That's fantastic.
[01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:19.880]  Oh, we're happy to help.
[01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:25.880]  And I did have a question from, Christine wanted to know which DoubleTree it is.
[01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:28.880]  I think there's two, one downtown and maybe one north.
[01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:31.880]  Yeah, this is, I believe this is the, well, I know it is.
[01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:35.880]  It's the one at I-35 and 290.
[01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:39.880]  It's the one between the two lovely restaurants that I like.
[01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:41.880]  I think it's Pappado's.
[01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:44.880]  Is this 290 on the north side of town?
[01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:46.880]  Well.
[01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:50.880]  Because there's 290 west that comes into I-35.
[01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:54.880]  I-35 and 290, I didn't know there was more than one of those intersections.
[01:55:54.880 --> 01:56:00.880]  Well, 290 west comes in on the south side of town and then it runs along with I-35
[01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:02.880]  and then 290 east heads out.
[01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:03.880]  Well, I know this.
[01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:06.880]  I have to cross the river and go by the Capitol to get there.
[01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:07.880]  Okay, then it's north.
[01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:08.880]  Okay, so DoubleTree.
[01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:10.880]  And I'm coming from the south, so it's the north side.
[01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:12.880]  Okay, so it is on the north side.
[01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:19.880]  The north side of town, 290 at I-35, the DoubleTree, and the event starts at 1 p.m.
[01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:23.880]  You're going to have videos for the first couple hours, is that correct?
[01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:26.880]  Well, not for a full two hours,
[01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:32.880]  but we will have videos for about 45 minutes to an hour during that time, yes.
[01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:35.880]  Okay, so technically the event opens at 1, the doors open at 1,
[01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:38.880]  and then the speakers will begin at 3.
[01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:40.880]  You're opening the event, is that correct?
[01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:42.880]  Well, let me see.
[01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:43.880]  Yes, I believe that's right.
[01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:48.880]  It will start at 3, and Alex Jones will be on at 3.30 and go to 4,
[01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:51.880]  and we are going to have to reschedule the times.
[01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:52.880]  We haven't done that.
[01:56:52.880 --> 01:56:53.880]  I came on the show before.
[01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:56.880]  As I said, all of this is happening rather fast,
[01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:59.880]  so we're going to redo the schedule slightly,
[01:56:59.880 --> 01:57:03.880]  but I would say the first speaker begins at 3 o'clock.
[01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:04.880]  Okay, fantastic.
[01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:12.880]  So, folks, keep a watch on SilverEagleTabHouse.com for more information
[01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.880]  as this unfolds what the actual schedule is going to be of all these fantastic speakers,
[01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:20.880]  Bob Bowman, Ron Avery, and more.
[01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:24.880]  Alex Jones, it's going to be just a monumental event.
[01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:27.880]  Everybody needs to get out there and please donate.
[01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:34.880]  You can go to that SilverEagleTabHouse.com website to donate.
[01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:35.880]  This is just fantastic.
[01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.880]  I'm so excited, Ron.
[01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:38.880]  Yes, thanks again.
[01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:40.880]  Oh, sure, of course.
[01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:43.880]  We're almost out of time, but we do have a caller.
[01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:45.880]  Caller, you're not screened yet, but we're almost out of time.
[01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:48.880]  What is your question or comment for Ron?
[01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:51.880]  Hello, I'm Kay, and I'm from Austin.
[01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:53.880]  I just wanted to mention that something that helps me,
[01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:57.880]  talking about 9-11 with people who are not awake yet,
[01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:04.880]  is to tell them that six out of the ten commissioners originally appointed
[01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:08.880]  to investigate 9-11 say they need to be re-investigated.
[01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:09.880]  Wow.
[01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:10.880]  It was flawed.
[01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:11.880]  It was a lie.
[01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:14.880]  Information was kept from them.
[01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:20.880]  And the fact that Building 7 was never mentioned in the original commission's report.
[01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:26.880]  And people really stop because they may not want to identify with me what I say,
[01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:29.880]  but they feel it kind of legitimizes it to think,
[01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:33.880]  hey, six out of the ten commissioners want to re-investigate it.
[01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:35.880]  Maybe there's something to that.
[01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:37.880]  That is a very good point, Kay.
[01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:40.880]  Thank you for calling in and letting us know that.
[01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:41.880]  I didn't even realize that.
[01:58:41.880 --> 01:58:43.880]  There's so much news.
[01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:44.880]  It's just moving so quickly.
[01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:45.880]  Thank you so much.
[01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:47.880]  All right, we're out of time.
[01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:48.880]  We're out of time.
[01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:49.880]  Ron, thank you.
[01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:50.880]  Kay, thank you.
[01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:51.880]  Thank you, Eddie.
[01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:52.880]  Thank you, Randy.
[01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:53.880]  And thank you, Deborah.
[01:58:53.880 --> 01:59:20.880]  And stay tuned for English fraud detection coming up next.
[01:59:20.880 --> 01:59:35.880]  Thank you.
[01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:54.880]  Thank you.