ROL_2010-02-05_16k_Hr1-2.timecode

[00:00.000 --> 00:10.760]  Israeli economists have revealed over the past four decades that Israel has defrauded
[00:10.760 --> 00:16.120]  Palestinians working inside Israel out of more than two billion dollars by deducting
[00:16.120 --> 00:21.980]  from their salary, contributions for welfare benefits to which they were never entitled.
[00:21.980 --> 00:27.560]  In Afghanistan, Afghan and NATO forces killed 32 Taliban fighters.
[00:27.560 --> 00:33.000]  Three Afghan soldiers were also killed and four others, including a NATO soldier, were
[00:33.000 --> 00:34.000]  injured.
[00:34.000 --> 00:40.520]  A study published in the journal Science of a 150 million-year-old dinosaur fossil has
[00:40.520 --> 00:43.400]  revealed that it had multi-colored feathers.
[00:43.400 --> 00:48.680]  Researchers compared the structures that determine color in living bird feathers with those in
[00:48.680 --> 00:49.680]  the fossil.
[00:49.680 --> 00:54.400]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:54.400 --> 00:59.800]  An influential international radiation safety organization has warned that the naked-body
[00:59.800 --> 01:05.960]  scanners currently being rolled out in airports worldwide increase the risk of cancer and
[01:05.960 --> 01:10.160]  birth defects and should not be used on pregnant women or children.
[01:10.160 --> 01:15.200]  The Interagency Committee on Radiation Safety concluded in a report that governments must
[01:15.200 --> 01:20.040]  justify the use of the scanners and that a more accurate assessment of the health risks
[01:20.040 --> 01:21.880]  is needed.
[01:21.880 --> 01:27.600]  Governments worldwide have claimed back-scatter X-ray systems produce radiation too low to
[01:27.600 --> 01:29.080]  pose a threat.
[01:29.080 --> 01:34.080]  The safety committee cited the International Atomic Energy Agency's Basic Safety Standards
[01:34.080 --> 01:37.440]  Agreement that protects people from radiation.
[01:37.440 --> 01:42.060]  And according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, frequent exposure to low doses of
[01:42.060 --> 01:48.000]  radiation can lead to cancer and birth defects, despite the fact that the level of radiation
[01:48.000 --> 01:53.400]  the passenger is exposed to is relatively low, repeated exposure for frequent fliers
[01:53.400 --> 01:55.440]  increases the risk of cancer.
[01:55.440 --> 02:01.080]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[02:01.080 --> 02:05.880]  The House of Representatives overwhelmingly adopted legislation this week mandating the
[02:05.880 --> 02:12.000]  creation of a new kind of terrorist watch list, a database of people who aren't terrorists
[02:12.000 --> 02:15.160]  but are routinely flagged at airports anyway.
[02:15.160 --> 02:19.880]  The government maintains a list of about one million names of suspected terrorists that
[02:19.880 --> 02:24.200]  is cross-checked with passenger names ahead of airline boarding.
[02:24.200 --> 02:30.160]  The list has been dogged by sloppy name matches that have ensnared innocent travelers, children,
[02:30.160 --> 02:36.320]  prominent politicians, government officials and all men named David Nelson.
[02:36.320 --> 02:41.000]  Under the new plan, innocent victims of a terrorist watch list must prove to the Department
[02:41.000 --> 02:43.920]  of Homeland Security they are not terrorists.
[02:43.920 --> 02:48.240]  They would get their names put on what the legislation calls the comprehensive cleared
[02:48.240 --> 02:49.240]  list.
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[02:54.240 --> 03:08.520]  You are listening to the Rule Law Radio Network at RuleLawRadio.com, live free speech talk
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[04:04.680 --> 04:07.980]  Bad Boys What you gonna do or what ya gonna do
[04:07.980 --> 04:09.580]  When they come for you?
[04:09.580 --> 04:11.180]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[04:11.180 --> 04:13.680]  What you gonna do or what ya gonna do
[04:13.680 --> 04:15.380]  When they come for you?
[04:15.380 --> 04:16.680]  You chuck it on that one
[04:16.680 --> 04:17.780]  Ya chuck it on this one
[04:17.780 --> 04:18.980]  You chuck it on your mother
[04:18.980 --> 04:20.680]  And you chuck it on your father
[04:20.680 --> 04:21.980]  Ya chuck it on your brother
[04:21.980 --> 04:23.280]  And you chuck it on your sister
[04:23.280 --> 04:24.680]  Ya chuck it on that one
[04:24.680 --> 04:25.980]  And ya chuck it on me
[04:25.980 --> 04:27.480]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[04:27.480 --> 04:28.880]  What you gonna do?
[04:28.880 --> 04:29.980]  What you gonna do
[04:29.980 --> 04:31.480]  When they come for you?
[04:31.480 --> 04:33.080]  Bad Boys, Bad Boys
[04:33.080 --> 04:34.380]  What you gonna do
[04:34.380 --> 04:37.080]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:37.080 --> 04:39.960]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[04:39.960 --> 04:42.440]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:42.440 --> 04:45.360]  Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[04:45.360 --> 04:47.940]  Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[04:47.940 --> 04:50.820]  Nobody now give you no break
[04:50.820 --> 04:52.920]  Police now give you no break
[04:52.920 --> 04:55.520]  generation old soldier gonna give you no break
[04:55.520 --> 04:57.820]  crochets in your eyes you not giving no...
[04:57.820 --> 04:59.780]  Alright, bad boys, bad boys
[04:59.780 --> 05:04.780]  What are you going to do, and bad girls, when we come for you?
[05:04.780 --> 05:08.220]  This is the rule of law.
[05:08.220 --> 05:10.820]  Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens, Eddie Craig,
[05:10.820 --> 05:12.700]  not necessarily in that order.
[05:12.700 --> 05:15.340]  Just used to say my name after Randy.
[05:15.340 --> 05:16.620]  Should have put Eddie's first.
[05:16.620 --> 05:18.020]  I actually really should put Eddie's first,
[05:18.020 --> 05:22.500]  because Eddie's got some really good material for us tonight,
[05:22.500 --> 05:25.580]  controversial, but good.
[05:25.580 --> 05:27.980]  Controversial because it's going to get the bad boys in trouble.
[05:27.980 --> 05:30.780]  We have a guest, John Rowland.
[05:30.780 --> 05:31.860]  He was on last night.
[05:31.860 --> 05:33.980]  We'll be bringing him up in a few minutes.
[05:33.980 --> 05:36.060]  But Eddie, Eddie's on fire.
[05:36.060 --> 05:37.340]  He was talking to me on the break.
[05:37.340 --> 05:38.420]  Eddie is on fire tonight.
[05:38.420 --> 05:40.620]  So Eddie, let us know what is going on.
[05:40.620 --> 05:41.660]  What did you find now?
[05:44.420 --> 05:46.780]  Is Eddie there?
[05:46.780 --> 05:47.580]  Yes, Eddie's here.
[05:47.580 --> 05:48.940]  OK, very good.
[05:48.940 --> 05:50.780]  OK, I've been going through some stuff again
[05:50.780 --> 05:52.260]  in the Texas Constitution.
[05:52.260 --> 05:54.460]  And for those of you that can get to it online,
[05:54.460 --> 05:57.140]  go to Article 5, Section 17.
[05:57.140 --> 05:59.100]  I'm going to read this to you.
[05:59.100 --> 06:03.980]  Terms of county court, prosecutions, juries.
[06:03.980 --> 06:08.340]  The county court shall hold terms as provided by law.
[06:08.340 --> 06:11.300]  Prosecutions may be commenced in said court
[06:11.300 --> 06:14.580]  by information filed by the county attorney
[06:14.580 --> 06:18.420]  or by affidavit as may be provided by law.
[06:18.420 --> 06:21.260]  Grand juries impaneled in the district courts
[06:21.260 --> 06:25.020]  shall inquire into misdemeanors and all indictments
[06:25.020 --> 06:28.460]  therefore returned into the district courts
[06:28.460 --> 06:31.020]  shall forthwith be certified to the county
[06:31.020 --> 06:34.820]  courts or other inferior courts, having jurisdiction
[06:34.820 --> 06:36.900]  to try them for trial.
[06:36.900 --> 06:39.620]  And if such indictment be quashed in the county
[06:39.620 --> 06:42.820]  or other inferior court, the person charged
[06:42.820 --> 06:46.660]  shall not be discharged if there is probable cause of guilt,
[06:46.660 --> 06:49.700]  but may be held by such court or magistrate
[06:49.700 --> 06:53.420]  to answer an information or affidavit.
[06:53.420 --> 06:57.300]  A jury in the county court shall consist of six persons,
[06:57.300 --> 07:00.540]  but no jury shall be impaneled to try a civil case
[07:00.540 --> 07:02.900]  unless demanded by one of the parties, who
[07:02.900 --> 07:06.140]  shall pay such jury fee therefore in advance,
[07:06.140 --> 07:09.820]  as may be prescribed by law, unless the party makes
[07:09.820 --> 07:13.500]  affidavit that the party is unable to pay the jury fee.
[07:13.500 --> 07:15.420]  Now, this section of the Constitution
[07:15.420 --> 07:20.740]  was amended on November 5 of 1985 and November 6 of 2001.
[07:20.740 --> 07:22.500]  And it's got a note to it.
[07:22.500 --> 07:24.780]  The note says, Temporary Transition
[07:24.780 --> 07:31.140]  Provision for Section 17, C Appendix Note Number 3.
[07:31.140 --> 07:35.100]  So I'm going to read you Note Number 3 here.
[07:35.100 --> 07:36.620]  And it's very short.
[07:36.620 --> 07:39.900]  This is from House Joint Resolution Number 75, Section
[07:39.900 --> 07:44.940]  9.01, 77th Legislature, Regular Session 2001,
[07:44.940 --> 07:48.660]  Temporary Transition Provision, Subsection A.
[07:48.660 --> 07:50.420]  This section applies to the amendments
[07:50.420 --> 07:53.700]  to this Constitution proposed by House Joint Resolution Number
[07:53.700 --> 07:58.340]  75, 77th Legislature, Regular Session 2001.
[07:58.340 --> 08:01.700]  Subsection B, the reenactment of any provision
[08:01.700 --> 08:03.900]  of this Constitution for purposes of amendment
[08:03.900 --> 08:07.300]  does not revive a provision that may have been implied
[08:07.300 --> 08:11.020]  or impliedly repealed by the adoption of a later amendment.
[08:11.020 --> 08:15.220]  Subsection C, the amendment of any provision
[08:15.220 --> 08:21.060]  of this Constitution does not affect vested rights.
[08:21.060 --> 08:25.100]  That last footnote is very, very important.
[08:25.100 --> 08:30.340]  What that is saying is that the original Republic of Texas
[08:30.340 --> 08:36.300]  1836 Bill of Rights, which are the vested rights that
[08:36.300 --> 08:41.500]  were created at the creation of the Republic of Texas,
[08:41.500 --> 08:44.140]  is still intact.
[08:44.140 --> 08:46.420]  They could not, according to this,
[08:46.420 --> 08:49.620]  have made any provision to have altered
[08:49.620 --> 08:52.580]  the vested rights of the people.
[08:52.580 --> 08:56.020]  Now, when you go back to Section 17,
[08:56.020 --> 08:59.540]  that's telling us that were they departed
[08:59.540 --> 09:04.820]  from the necessity of having to have a grand jury indictment
[09:04.820 --> 09:08.940]  for any type of criminal charge, down to where they only
[09:08.940 --> 09:14.540]  had to have a prosecutorial information filed in order
[09:14.540 --> 09:17.100]  to get you locked up for less than a year
[09:17.100 --> 09:21.580]  in a non-state penitentiary facility,
[09:21.580 --> 09:25.020]  they departed from the vested rights, which basically
[09:25.020 --> 09:27.980]  made it where that can't happen.
[09:27.980 --> 09:31.580]  We can't go to jail without a grand jury indictment
[09:31.580 --> 09:34.460]  and without a jury of our peers saying so.
[09:34.460 --> 09:38.300]  So if they could not have changed the vested rights,
[09:38.300 --> 09:41.580]  by what authority did they get to where they are now,
[09:41.580 --> 09:45.980]  where they are bypassing the necessity of an indictment
[09:45.980 --> 09:49.260]  by a grand jury for a misdemeanor, which
[09:49.260 --> 09:52.660]  Section 17 specifically states a grand jury will be called
[09:52.660 --> 09:58.940]  to investigate and hand down indictments in misdemeanor
[09:58.940 --> 10:01.460]  cases?
[10:01.460 --> 10:04.460]  In misdemeanor cases.
[10:04.460 --> 10:08.100]  Now, notice the grand jury is impaneled in the district court.
[10:08.100 --> 10:11.340]  And once they return their indictment decision,
[10:11.340 --> 10:13.700]  it is handed down from the district court
[10:13.700 --> 10:18.500]  to the county or other inferior courts.
[10:18.500 --> 10:23.220]  And this, again, goes right back to 1517B, where by law,
[10:23.220 --> 10:28.940]  they are required, in the case of a misdemeanor,
[10:28.940 --> 10:31.700]  to send that's punishable by fine only,
[10:31.700 --> 10:35.380]  to do nothing more than identify you and send you
[10:35.380 --> 10:37.420]  to the county court or the statutory county
[10:37.420 --> 10:39.100]  court for arraignment.
[10:39.100 --> 10:44.660]  Now, Randy, what's the problem with having an arraignment?
[10:44.660 --> 10:51.740]  According to Article 2601, you can only
[10:51.740 --> 10:58.220]  be arraigned for a crime punishable by imprisonment.
[10:58.220 --> 11:00.820]  So we have a crime punishable by fine
[11:00.820 --> 11:03.260]  only that the law specifically states
[11:03.260 --> 11:06.660]  they send you back to the county court or statutory county
[11:06.660 --> 11:10.180]  court for the sole purpose of arraignment.
[11:10.180 --> 11:12.860]  And then we have a catch-22 in the law that says,
[11:12.860 --> 11:15.300]  you can't hold an arraignment because it's a fine only
[11:15.300 --> 11:17.940]  offense.
[11:17.940 --> 11:20.140]  Now, we talked about this the other night.
[11:20.140 --> 11:23.780]  That's the legal black hole we were talking about.
[11:23.780 --> 11:28.780]  So we get sent to a court that doesn't have jurisdiction
[11:28.780 --> 11:31.660]  because they're commanded to send us to another court.
[11:31.660 --> 11:34.260]  We go to that court, and they don't have jurisdiction
[11:34.260 --> 11:36.380]  because they can't do the thing the law commands
[11:36.380 --> 11:38.380]  them to do because another part of the law
[11:38.380 --> 11:41.180]  says it only applies if this is the case.
[11:41.180 --> 11:44.860]  Sounds like an imperamateria problem.
[11:44.860 --> 11:48.740]  So this goes right down the line to show what I have always
[11:48.740 --> 11:51.500]  argued and a lot of the patriot community has argued.
[11:51.500 --> 11:54.820]  But the statutes now show us there's just
[11:54.820 --> 11:57.420]  no other way it could operate, is
[11:57.420 --> 12:05.740]  that these fine only offenses are administrative only.
[12:05.740 --> 12:08.420]  They can't be anything else because the rules
[12:08.420 --> 12:13.300]  of criminal procedure lack any ability to reconcile them.
[12:13.300 --> 12:16.140]  Not to mention in the case of the traffic tickets,
[12:16.140 --> 12:19.100]  it specifically tells you in the administrative code
[12:19.100 --> 12:21.660]  that when it comes to the Department of Transportation
[12:21.660 --> 12:25.700]  or the Department of Public Safety in Chapter 29
[12:25.700 --> 12:28.500]  that anything that falls under the jurisdiction
[12:28.500 --> 12:32.380]  of those departments is applicable to the Administrative
[12:32.380 --> 12:37.660]  Procedure Act, which is an administrative procedural act.
[12:37.660 --> 12:40.380]  It's got nothing to do with criminal law,
[12:40.380 --> 12:43.020]  which is why the code of criminal procedure
[12:43.020 --> 12:48.260]  does not have any rules that would apply without creating
[12:48.260 --> 12:52.340]  a vortex of problems in this legal black hole.
[12:52.340 --> 12:56.380]  It makes sense to me because if fines
[12:56.380 --> 13:00.340]  were involved in any kind of criminal penalty,
[13:00.340 --> 13:03.220]  then that would be a setup for peonage.
[13:03.220 --> 13:09.940]  Because if it would be a crime and the penalty
[13:09.940 --> 13:12.460]  would be to pay something, if you couldn't pay,
[13:12.460 --> 13:15.380]  then the obvious conclusion where it would lead to
[13:15.380 --> 13:17.380]  is you put the person in prison until they pay.
[13:17.380 --> 13:18.580]  That's peonage.
[13:18.580 --> 13:19.460]  Can't be that way.
[13:19.460 --> 13:22.020]  That's why all these fines are under administrative code
[13:22.020 --> 13:25.540]  and not criminal code, because the legislature knew
[13:25.540 --> 13:27.460]  that they would not be able to do that.
[13:27.460 --> 13:29.540]  It would never hold up to constitutional muster.
[13:29.540 --> 13:32.540]  Right, which now leads us to another hole
[13:32.540 --> 13:35.540]  right back to the same constitutional violation
[13:35.540 --> 13:37.100]  right off the bat.
[13:37.100 --> 13:39.780]  Where does the legislature get the authority
[13:39.780 --> 13:44.700]  to command a policeman to arrest for an administrative offense?
[13:44.700 --> 13:46.780]  I'd say it doesn't exist.
[13:46.780 --> 13:50.540]  But it says to do it right there in 543 transportation code.
[13:50.540 --> 13:53.060]  Any peace officer may arrest a person
[13:53.060 --> 13:56.420]  in violation of anything under subtitle C.
[13:56.420 --> 13:59.220]  That doesn't mean it matches constitution.
[13:59.220 --> 14:00.260]  No, that's what I'm saying.
[14:00.260 --> 14:02.780]  It's in violation of the constitution.
[14:02.780 --> 14:07.620]  If that section of law can be used against the people,
[14:07.620 --> 14:11.260]  it's in direct violation of the constitution.
[14:11.260 --> 14:13.180]  But if it goes back to where it applies
[14:13.180 --> 14:16.140]  to those that have accepted the liability and responsibility
[14:16.140 --> 14:20.260]  for acting on the behalf of a legal entity,
[14:20.260 --> 14:21.940]  it becomes valid.
[14:21.940 --> 14:24.500]  That's how they get around all that.
[14:24.500 --> 14:28.660]  Now, Rainy, does that argument hold water with you?
[14:28.660 --> 14:29.620]  Yes, it does.
[14:29.620 --> 14:35.580]  And our guest tonight, Mr. Rowland,
[14:35.580 --> 14:39.500]  is going to address constitutional issues.
[14:39.500 --> 14:45.460]  And that's why I kind of wanted this on at the beginning,
[14:45.460 --> 14:48.500]  because it's going to go to a point I will raise later
[14:48.500 --> 14:55.020]  about how we have to deal with the law that we already have
[14:55.020 --> 14:57.340]  and get it straightened out.
[14:57.340 --> 14:59.340]  Well, it's just like with the transportation code.
[14:59.340 --> 15:01.740]  It's all written to apply to commercial entity.
[15:01.740 --> 15:04.180]  But they fool us into thinking that it actually
[15:04.180 --> 15:06.220]  applies to we the people.
[15:06.220 --> 15:09.660]  Right, the problem's not so much with the law.
[15:09.660 --> 15:11.060]  It's with the way it's enforced.
[15:11.060 --> 15:12.660]  That this is true.
[15:12.660 --> 15:15.540]  And until we actually start making
[15:15.540 --> 15:17.500]  them pay for the way they enforce it,
[15:17.500 --> 15:19.660]  they're not going to change how they enforce it,
[15:19.660 --> 15:22.340]  because they're reaping a financial windfall by doing it.
[15:22.340 --> 15:25.300]  We need to not only deal with that,
[15:25.300 --> 15:29.100]  but we need to deal with the training.
[15:29.100 --> 15:33.860]  OK, we can't just slap them and kick them and put them
[15:33.860 --> 15:36.180]  in timeout and file criminal charges.
[15:36.180 --> 15:38.620]  We can't just let them go.
[15:38.620 --> 15:44.100]  And we can't just punish them when they violate the law.
[15:44.100 --> 15:45.940]  It's like raising children.
[15:45.940 --> 15:49.340]  You can't just let the children do whatever they want,
[15:49.340 --> 15:51.980]  and then when they do something you don't like, punish them.
[15:51.980 --> 15:54.500]  You have to give proactive guidance.
[15:54.500 --> 15:58.900]  You have to lead them and also punish and discipline
[15:58.900 --> 16:00.140]  when they do something wrong.
[16:00.140 --> 16:03.180]  And this is an area that needs to be addressed regarding
[16:03.180 --> 16:06.020]  the training of the police.
[16:06.020 --> 16:09.140]  We, the people, need to have some oversight over these
[16:09.140 --> 16:12.060]  training programs of law enforcement
[16:12.060 --> 16:15.740]  and not just let the feds run hog wild with them.
[16:15.740 --> 16:16.220]  OK?
[16:16.220 --> 16:17.260]  Well, that's true.
[16:17.260 --> 16:19.780]  And that brings up another point that Randy and I were
[16:19.780 --> 16:21.420]  talking about a little bit ago as well.
[16:21.420 --> 16:26.540]  That has to do with the Judicial Conduct Review Board.
[16:26.540 --> 16:28.900]  I was reading over that the statutes that deal with them
[16:28.900 --> 16:33.380]  today, they're comprised of a total of 13 individuals,
[16:33.380 --> 16:36.180]  only five of which are citizens, which
[16:36.180 --> 16:39.100]  means an eight to five vote in favor
[16:39.100 --> 16:41.980]  of those on the judicial side for any issue
[16:41.980 --> 16:43.420]  that comes before them.
[16:43.420 --> 16:47.020]  Is it any wonder we can't get a complaint to work?
[16:47.020 --> 16:49.820]  All right, I want to talk about that some more on the other side
[16:49.820 --> 16:53.260]  and we'll bring up our guest as well and get his take on it.
[16:53.260 --> 16:56.220]  John Rollin, Libertarian Candidate for Attorney General
[16:56.220 --> 17:00.140]  here in Texas, coming right up.
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[18:30.860 --> 18:43.660]  All right, justice, we are after justice,
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[19:00.780 --> 19:03.860]  OK, Eddie, you want to talk about the Judicial Conduct
[19:03.860 --> 19:06.460]  Committee and the shenanigans that go on
[19:06.460 --> 19:10.940]  and how they are staffed, how the positions are filled.
[19:10.940 --> 19:12.860]  And this is one of the reasons why
[19:12.860 --> 19:15.700]  it's so difficult for the people, we
[19:15.700 --> 19:17.460]  the people, to get any real justice
[19:17.460 --> 19:19.340]  and get the proper rulings in court.
[19:19.340 --> 19:20.980]  So tell us about this.
[19:20.980 --> 19:23.300]  Well, I was going over the laws on that today,
[19:23.300 --> 19:27.700]  and I was reading up on how the Judicial Conduct Committee is
[19:27.700 --> 19:29.140]  put together.
[19:29.140 --> 19:32.460]  And it's a total of 13 individuals.
[19:32.460 --> 19:36.420]  Of those 13 individuals, only five of them
[19:36.420 --> 19:40.140]  are non-state-employed citizens.
[19:40.140 --> 19:44.100]  The other eight are either judges from the various courts,
[19:44.100 --> 19:47.660]  though they're not supposed to be from the same district,
[19:47.660 --> 19:51.020]  prosecuting attorneys, one justice of the peace,
[19:51.020 --> 19:56.620]  one municipal court judge, and various other judges
[19:56.620 --> 19:58.380]  throughout the state.
[19:58.380 --> 20:04.580]  But it's always an 8 to 5 vote, with those on the 8th side
[20:04.580 --> 20:07.500]  being those who have a vested interest
[20:07.500 --> 20:09.420]  in the outcome of their determination
[20:09.420 --> 20:12.020]  of judicial conduct.
[20:12.020 --> 20:17.540]  So contemplatively speaking, if the five citizens all
[20:17.540 --> 20:20.780]  agree that an attorney has done something wrong,
[20:20.780 --> 20:24.540]  they have to manage to convince two of the other people,
[20:24.540 --> 20:27.460]  a minimum of two of the other people,
[20:27.460 --> 20:32.980]  that you need to find your bar-card-carrying brother
[20:32.980 --> 20:35.820]  guilty of doing something wrong with us before we
[20:35.820 --> 20:38.540]  can do anything about it.
[20:38.540 --> 20:41.780]  Now, I would really, really like to ask you
[20:41.780 --> 20:44.860]  if you, anybody out there that's listening,
[20:44.860 --> 20:47.980]  or if you know of anybody out there that
[20:47.980 --> 20:51.420]  has filed a judicial conduct complaint with the State
[20:51.420 --> 20:57.780]  Judicial Review Committee here, and ever had them
[20:57.780 --> 21:01.460]  find a probable cause for taking action
[21:01.460 --> 21:05.340]  against an attorney in Texas, if the person that
[21:05.340 --> 21:09.460]  submitted that complaint was not another attorney.
[21:09.460 --> 21:11.140]  I would really be interested to see
[21:11.140 --> 21:13.020]  if that's ever even happened, because I'm
[21:13.020 --> 21:15.060]  willing to bet it hadn't.
[21:15.060 --> 21:16.420]  Doesn't sound very likely to me.
[21:16.420 --> 21:20.020]  But that's the issues that I've been looking at today.
[21:20.020 --> 21:24.220]  So what's the remedy for how do we fix that?
[21:24.220 --> 21:28.380]  I have a 100-page presentment before them right now.
[21:28.380 --> 21:30.300]  Before who, the Judicial Conduct Committee?
[21:30.300 --> 21:32.820]  Yeah, right.
[21:32.820 --> 21:34.660]  I don't expect anything to come of it.
[21:34.660 --> 21:39.060]  I only made about 20 criminal complaints
[21:39.060 --> 21:43.540]  with what an attorney would call specificity
[21:43.540 --> 21:46.620]  and particularity.
[21:46.620 --> 21:49.980]  But just because they committed to the 2030 criminal acts,
[21:49.980 --> 21:53.740]  that's not enough to be rise to the level of misconduct.
[21:56.660 --> 22:02.660]  I mean, they didn't shoot a room full of kindergartners,
[22:02.660 --> 22:06.260]  or get caught drunk in women's clothes.
[22:06.260 --> 22:07.260]  So what do you expect?
[22:07.260 --> 22:09.500]  OK, let me ask something here.
[22:09.500 --> 22:11.620]  What the heck is the point of the judicial conduct
[22:11.620 --> 22:14.140]  committee anyway?
[22:14.140 --> 22:18.220]  Is this just kind of like an administrative overseeing body
[22:18.220 --> 22:18.820]  or something?
[22:18.820 --> 22:22.740]  Because if they break a law, then you would naturally
[22:22.740 --> 22:23.900]  go to the grand jury.
[22:23.900 --> 22:27.380]  I mean, what's the deal with the Judicial Conduct Committee?
[22:27.380 --> 22:32.460]  That's a good remark, because the very allegations I made
[22:32.460 --> 22:35.540]  were allegations of obstruction of justice
[22:35.540 --> 22:38.620]  and tampering with a witness for filing criminal charges
[22:38.620 --> 22:39.940]  against the judge.
[22:39.940 --> 22:42.140]  For filing criminal charges against me,
[22:42.140 --> 22:44.300]  because I did go to the grand jury.
[22:44.300 --> 22:47.620]  Well, is this even a legitimate government entity?
[22:47.620 --> 22:48.140]  Oh, yeah.
[22:48.140 --> 22:50.380]  It's created by a legislative act.
[22:50.380 --> 22:51.580]  And what is their purpose?
[22:51.580 --> 22:52.340]  What do they do?
[22:52.340 --> 22:56.620]  The purpose is to give the people the appearance
[22:56.620 --> 23:00.980]  that they have some recourse when a crooked attorney robs
[23:00.980 --> 23:01.700]  them blind.
[23:01.700 --> 23:02.660]  OK, well, yes.
[23:02.660 --> 23:03.900]  All right, that's the reality.
[23:03.900 --> 23:04.700]  But wait, hold on.
[23:04.700 --> 23:07.020]  But what is the official story?
[23:07.020 --> 23:11.940]  I mean, what do they actually do other than just?
[23:11.940 --> 23:14.300]  They're supposed to discipline judges.
[23:14.300 --> 23:19.060]  Eddie, you're mixing up state bar with judicial conduct.
[23:19.060 --> 23:20.420]  Oh, they can do either.
[23:20.420 --> 23:22.220]  According to what I read today, they
[23:22.220 --> 23:24.460]  can go after a judge or an attorney.
[23:24.460 --> 23:26.060]  Wait a minute, what does that mean?
[23:26.060 --> 23:29.260]  What does it mean by discipline judges?
[23:29.260 --> 23:31.540]  They can remove them.
[23:31.540 --> 23:33.740]  They can have them barred.
[23:33.740 --> 23:34.860]  They can fine them.
[23:34.860 --> 23:36.460]  They can sanction them.
[23:36.460 --> 23:39.900]  And they can force judges into early retirement
[23:39.900 --> 23:41.300]  if they're eligible for retirement.
[23:41.300 --> 23:42.980]  OK, but they never do.
[23:42.980 --> 23:44.980]  No, they don't.
[23:44.980 --> 23:46.500]  Well, actually, they do.
[23:46.500 --> 23:51.180]  If you make somebody important mad at you, then they do.
[23:51.180 --> 23:54.020]  They're just a public relations agency for the judges.
[23:54.020 --> 23:58.940]  Every once in a while, they'll crucify a low-level judge
[23:58.940 --> 24:01.100]  just to make it look like they're doing something.
[24:01.100 --> 24:03.100]  OK, wait a minute, I have an idea.
[24:03.100 --> 24:04.620]  Maybe we could look into, or you guys
[24:04.620 --> 24:06.820]  may already know the answer.
[24:06.820 --> 24:10.100]  OK, this sounds like some kind of administrative reviewing
[24:10.100 --> 24:15.140]  agency similar to something like the FCC or Department
[24:15.140 --> 24:17.340]  of Agriculture, these things.
[24:17.340 --> 24:19.060]  Is there anything in this statute
[24:19.060 --> 24:20.860]  that governs this judicial conduct
[24:20.860 --> 24:25.340]  committee that allows for either one of the parties
[24:25.340 --> 24:29.500]  to appeal the decision, the final decision
[24:29.500 --> 24:31.100]  of the judicial conduct committee,
[24:31.100 --> 24:34.420]  into the court system?
[24:34.420 --> 24:36.340]  Not into the courts, no.
[24:36.340 --> 24:38.340]  If there is, I didn't read that far.
[24:38.340 --> 24:39.820]  And I read quite a bit through it.
[24:44.060 --> 24:44.980]  I don't remember.
[24:44.980 --> 24:45.980]  I was trying to think.
[24:45.980 --> 24:48.900]  It's been a long time since I've read through all the canons.
[24:48.900 --> 24:54.180]  I don't remember a provision for appealing it to the courts.
[24:54.180 --> 24:58.100]  This is sort of a private disciplinary thing.
[24:58.100 --> 24:59.180]  It's like the bar.
[24:59.180 --> 25:03.180]  You can't appeal the bar to the courts.
[25:03.180 --> 25:04.460]  So I'm not sure.
[25:04.460 --> 25:06.140]  This doesn't make any sense to me.
[25:06.140 --> 25:09.780]  How can this agency, how can this entity
[25:09.780 --> 25:16.700]  have the authority to hand down rulings that
[25:16.700 --> 25:22.020]  would deprive someone of their property, their job,
[25:22.020 --> 25:25.340]  like a judge, and they could not appeal the decision
[25:25.340 --> 25:26.540]  into the court system?
[25:26.540 --> 25:28.540]  That's lack of due process.
[25:28.540 --> 25:29.700]  That does seem like it.
[25:29.700 --> 25:30.780]  But I just don't remember.
[25:30.780 --> 25:35.300]  That doesn't mean it's not there.
[25:35.300 --> 25:37.340]  I mean, if they actually have the authority
[25:37.340 --> 25:42.060]  to remove judges, there has to be some provision in there
[25:42.060 --> 25:45.580]  for a judge to be able to appeal the decision into the court
[25:45.580 --> 25:50.060]  system, or else that's like a bill of attainder or something.
[25:50.060 --> 25:53.540]  There's no due process.
[25:53.540 --> 25:56.540]  A final decision of an administrative agency
[25:56.540 --> 25:57.740]  is a done deal.
[25:57.740 --> 25:59.180]  You can't appeal it into the courts.
[25:59.180 --> 26:00.100]  It can't be that way.
[26:00.100 --> 26:01.900]  That's against the Constitution.
[26:01.900 --> 26:03.620]  Well, it's not supposed to be that way,
[26:03.620 --> 26:06.980]  yet it's the same thing they do to us.
[26:06.980 --> 26:10.580]  It just goes to show that the way they most likely,
[26:10.580 --> 26:13.900]  the reason it's kept this way, is so that if we got
[26:13.900 --> 26:19.380]  an attorney like Mark that actually got a conscience,
[26:19.380 --> 26:22.140]  put it to use, and turned on them,
[26:22.140 --> 26:23.620]  this is their control method.
[26:23.620 --> 26:24.500]  OK, I know.
[26:24.500 --> 26:26.340]  But what they do is one thing.
[26:26.340 --> 26:29.700]  And the wool that's pulled over our eyes is one thing.
[26:29.700 --> 26:31.220]  And what we don't know is one thing.
[26:31.220 --> 26:33.820]  But what the law says is something else.
[26:33.820 --> 26:36.740]  And so that's why I was asking if there's some provision
[26:36.740 --> 26:40.860]  for appeals on either side.
[26:40.860 --> 26:42.620]  I would have to read further into it,
[26:42.620 --> 26:44.780]  but I did not see one while I was reading through it.
[26:44.780 --> 26:45.260]  Interesting.
[26:51.940 --> 26:54.260]  But it's something to consider.
[26:54.260 --> 26:56.420]  That's why we can't get anything done,
[26:56.420 --> 27:00.980]  is because the citizens don't have the majority voice
[27:00.980 --> 27:03.460]  on most of these administrative committees.
[27:03.460 --> 27:08.020]  It's just like the Department of Public Safety Commission.
[27:08.020 --> 27:10.340]  They are comprised entirely according
[27:10.340 --> 27:14.980]  to the specifications of what the governor can appoint.
[27:14.980 --> 27:20.780]  It would appear on its face that only retired, current,
[27:20.780 --> 27:24.180]  or ex-law enforcement are eligible to serve on this.
[27:24.180 --> 27:26.900]  And so we wonder why the rules are set up
[27:26.900 --> 27:30.140]  to favor law enforcement's ability
[27:30.140 --> 27:35.380]  to harm us through the enforcement of these codes.
[27:35.380 --> 27:38.660]  Because we have no voice on this committee.
[27:38.660 --> 27:42.220]  It says five citizens, but these five citizens
[27:42.220 --> 27:47.420]  all have to have exhibited a certain level of skill
[27:47.420 --> 27:50.140]  and knowledge in their enforcement or knowledge
[27:50.140 --> 27:51.780]  of law.
[27:51.780 --> 27:56.340]  So how many people are going to meet that criteria?
[27:56.340 --> 27:59.660]  This sounds like a big dog and pony show to me.
[27:59.660 --> 28:00.300]  I don't know.
[28:00.300 --> 28:03.260]  My gut instinct is forget the Judicial Conduct Committee.
[28:03.260 --> 28:06.140]  If these judges break the law, file criminal charges
[28:06.140 --> 28:07.420]  against them.
[28:07.420 --> 28:09.100]  With who?
[28:09.100 --> 28:09.900]  The grand jury?
[28:09.900 --> 28:11.100]  They're going to protect everybody's ears.
[28:11.100 --> 28:11.940]  The grand jury.
[28:11.940 --> 28:12.740]  That's who?
[28:12.740 --> 28:14.140]  The grand jury.
[28:14.140 --> 28:15.820]  Yes, if you can get to them.
[28:15.820 --> 28:19.020]  Well, according to statute, at least here in Texas,
[28:19.020 --> 28:22.180]  not only is it a right, but it's enumerated.
[28:22.180 --> 28:23.980]  Yeah, but according to the Constitution,
[28:23.980 --> 28:26.140]  they can't do half the things they're doing now.
[28:26.140 --> 28:28.100]  And they seem to ignore that, too.
[28:28.100 --> 28:29.460]  Well, you know what?
[28:29.460 --> 28:32.900]  You remember what Deborah Medina asked?
[28:32.900 --> 28:34.860]  Kay Bailout Hutchinson?
[28:34.860 --> 28:38.420]  The Texas Constitution is 381 pages long.
[28:38.420 --> 28:41.420]  The United States Constitution is nine pages long.
[28:41.420 --> 28:43.900]  You can't uphold the one that's nine pages.
[28:43.900 --> 28:46.700]  How are you going to uphold the one that's 381 pages?
[28:46.700 --> 28:49.220]  I was just talking to somebody about this grand jury
[28:49.220 --> 28:49.940]  thing earlier.
[28:49.940 --> 28:53.140]  And this is how I started getting into all this
[28:53.140 --> 28:54.060]  from the beginning.
[28:54.060 --> 28:55.740]  Because the grand juries are technically
[28:55.740 --> 28:57.020]  our fourth branch of government.
[28:57.020 --> 29:01.020]  That's how we the people keep all the other ones in check.
[29:01.020 --> 29:01.940]  And you know what?
[29:01.940 --> 29:05.060]  Sometimes it comes down to this.
[29:05.060 --> 29:08.020]  You go to file criminal charges against these rogues.
[29:08.020 --> 29:09.260]  The DA won't take it.
[29:09.260 --> 29:10.540]  The magistrate won't take it.
[29:10.540 --> 29:11.660]  On and on and on.
[29:11.660 --> 29:13.580]  You go to the door of the grand jury.
[29:13.580 --> 29:15.260]  The prosecutor gets in the way.
[29:15.260 --> 29:17.820]  This is where it's coming down to, folks.
[29:17.820 --> 29:22.100]  Calling 911 outside the door of the grand jury
[29:22.100 --> 29:25.660]  when the prosecutor's bailiff will not let you in,
[29:25.660 --> 29:27.740]  that's what it's going to take.
[29:27.740 --> 29:28.860]  OK?
[29:28.860 --> 29:29.900]  Seriously.
[29:29.900 --> 29:31.860]  I mean, this is a crisis.
[29:31.860 --> 29:34.580]  I mean, literally, we're talking code blue here, people.
[29:34.580 --> 29:36.580]  You've got to go to the door of the grand jury.
[29:36.580 --> 29:38.580]  And if they don't let you in, you have to call 911.
[29:38.580 --> 29:40.340]  That's really where it's at right now.
[29:40.340 --> 29:41.900]  And I can tell you from experience,
[29:41.900 --> 29:43.700]  doing that is a hoot.
[29:43.700 --> 29:45.580]  Well, it's about what we have to do,
[29:45.580 --> 29:50.380]  because they have to let us in to file our criminal complaints.
[29:50.380 --> 29:51.900]  Otherwise, we're never going to be
[29:51.900 --> 29:55.380]  able to take our courts back.
[29:55.380 --> 29:56.180]  We'll be right back.
[29:56.180 --> 29:57.780]  We're going to get John's take on this.
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[30:59.460 --> 31:06.460]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm going to solve them,
[31:06.460 --> 31:11.940]  to the end, government them, prosecute them.
[31:11.940 --> 31:12.440]  OK.
[31:15.420 --> 31:17.900]  Who's that?
[31:17.900 --> 31:22.900]  The person's a rich, want to establish him.
[31:22.900 --> 31:26.900]  The person's a rich, for a deep change.
[31:26.900 --> 31:27.380]  All right.
[31:27.380 --> 31:30.380]  Citizens arrest, prosecute them wicked leader.
[31:30.380 --> 31:32.380]  Yeah, you see, them a murderer, liar.
[31:32.380 --> 31:35.380]  Them a liar, and tell sick story.
[31:35.380 --> 31:37.380]  Me not believe me, say what them tell me.
[31:37.380 --> 31:40.380]  3% of America vote for him.
[31:40.380 --> 31:42.380]  So how did he get the presidency?
[31:42.380 --> 31:45.380]  That's why me have a warrant for him.
[31:45.380 --> 31:47.380]  Everybody listen to me.
[31:47.380 --> 31:48.380]  Listen to the word.
[31:48.380 --> 31:50.380]  Only 3% vote.
[31:50.380 --> 31:52.380]  We're coming with a citizen's arrest.
[31:52.380 --> 31:53.380]  All right.
[31:53.380 --> 31:57.380]  Only 3% vote, we're coming with a citizen's arrest
[31:57.380 --> 32:01.380]  only under absolute statutory law.
[32:01.380 --> 32:04.380]  And there is statute here in Texas that outlines some provisions
[32:04.380 --> 32:06.380]  for citizen's arrest.
[32:06.380 --> 32:10.380]  At any rate, we have our very special guest with us,
[32:10.380 --> 32:16.380]  John Rowland, libertarian candidate for attorney general.
[32:16.380 --> 32:19.380]  John, thanks for joining us tonight.
[32:19.380 --> 32:20.380]  Good evening.
[32:20.380 --> 32:21.380]  Thank you.
[32:21.380 --> 32:24.380]  Can you give us your take on all this stuff about grand juries
[32:24.380 --> 32:26.380]  and judicial conduct committees
[32:26.380 --> 32:30.380]  and what Eddie's analysis of the Constitution earlier,
[32:30.380 --> 32:32.380]  give us your take on this.
[32:32.380 --> 32:35.380]  Well, if you were to summarize it,
[32:35.380 --> 32:39.380]  it offers a lot of good arguments for my proposal
[32:39.380 --> 32:43.380]  to rewrite the Texas Constitution from scratch.
[32:43.380 --> 32:46.380]  And I started doing that.
[32:46.380 --> 32:50.380]  It's been one of my favorite projects.
[32:50.380 --> 32:53.380]  But to get into it a little bit further,
[32:53.380 --> 32:57.380]  clearly the whole state bar is a problem.
[32:57.380 --> 33:03.380]  And this judicial conduct commission is just one aspect of that.
[33:03.380 --> 33:06.380]  And what it really comes down to,
[33:06.380 --> 33:11.380]  as I've discussed with some of my friendly members of the legislature
[33:11.380 --> 33:13.380]  who are not lawyers,
[33:13.380 --> 33:17.380]  is that most of the members of the legislature are lawyers.
[33:17.380 --> 33:20.380]  And they're not going to let anything pass
[33:20.380 --> 33:25.380]  that adversely affects their profession.
[33:25.380 --> 33:26.380]  Eddie.
[33:26.380 --> 33:28.380]  Yeah, we have a problem with that too.
[33:28.380 --> 33:31.380]  We can solve that problem quickly.
[33:31.380 --> 33:35.380]  We have a severe problem with lawyers occupying the legislature.
[33:35.380 --> 33:37.380]  That is a direct violation of Article II,
[33:37.380 --> 33:41.380]  Texas Constitution, Division of Powers.
[33:41.380 --> 33:47.380]  There should be no Supreme Court bar card carrying licensed attorneys
[33:47.380 --> 33:50.380]  serving on the state legislature ever.
[33:50.380 --> 33:53.380]  That is a direct conflict of interest.
[33:53.380 --> 33:56.380]  It is a direct violation of Division of Powers.
[33:56.380 --> 33:59.380]  Actually, I would have to disagree with that.
[33:59.380 --> 34:03.380]  I might wish it were true, but it's not technically correct.
[34:03.380 --> 34:06.380]  Two offices of public emolument.
[34:06.380 --> 34:08.380]  It's forbidden.
[34:08.380 --> 34:12.380]  So there are no licensed lawyers in Texas.
[34:12.380 --> 34:13.380]  Makes no difference.
[34:13.380 --> 34:15.380]  Actually, there are.
[34:15.380 --> 34:20.380]  Article II says that all they have to be is that any occupant of one branch
[34:20.380 --> 34:24.380]  of government exercising the power and authority of any other branch
[34:24.380 --> 34:27.380]  is in violation of that article.
[34:27.380 --> 34:31.380]  If they carry a bar card, that's what gets them not to license.
[34:31.380 --> 34:33.380]  We're aware of licensing.
[34:33.380 --> 34:38.380]  Technically, a bar card is not a license.
[34:38.380 --> 34:39.380]  That's true.
[34:39.380 --> 34:43.380]  However, by acting as an officer of the court, an attorney,
[34:43.380 --> 34:47.380]  licensed or otherwise, even if it's by concept only,
[34:47.380 --> 34:51.380]  is automatically enrolled in the judicial branch of government.
[34:51.380 --> 34:55.380]  As a judicial officer, they cannot operate in the executive branch,
[34:55.380 --> 34:57.380]  not legally.
[34:57.380 --> 34:59.380]  That's not technically correct either.
[34:59.380 --> 35:03.380]  Let me explain the concept of officer of the court.
[35:03.380 --> 35:09.380]  By ancient definition, anyone with official duties in court
[35:09.380 --> 35:11.380]  is an officer of the court.
[35:11.380 --> 35:15.380]  That includes not only the bench or the attorneys.
[35:15.380 --> 35:20.380]  It includes the jurors, the witnesses, the recorder, the bailiff.
[35:20.380 --> 35:25.380]  Everybody there who has sworn official duties is an officer of the court.
[35:25.380 --> 35:29.380]  But you're only an officer of the court while court is in session.
[35:29.380 --> 35:34.380]  At other times, only the bench has administrative duties.
[35:34.380 --> 35:36.380]  Now, wait a minute.
[35:36.380 --> 35:40.380]  If you are a bar card carrying attorney,
[35:40.380 --> 35:45.380]  you are an officer of the court all of the time.
[35:45.380 --> 35:49.380]  That is not historically correct.
[35:49.380 --> 35:51.380]  Well, we're not talking about ancient history.
[35:51.380 --> 35:53.380]  We're talking about Texas.
[35:53.380 --> 35:59.380]  Yeah, and it wasn't true when our present Constitution was written.
[35:59.380 --> 36:03.380]  Now, Mark White, former Attorney General,
[36:03.380 --> 36:12.380]  wrote an opinion, number 312, designated MW 312 in his initials,
[36:12.380 --> 36:17.380]  that the provisions in the Constitution pertaining to representation
[36:17.380 --> 36:21.380]  of corporations in court,
[36:21.380 --> 36:24.380]  that they may be represented by an attorney,
[36:24.380 --> 36:29.380]  means they have to be represented by a member of the bar.
[36:29.380 --> 36:33.380]  That is contrary to the meaning of attorney
[36:33.380 --> 36:37.380]  at the time the Texas Constitution was written.
[36:37.380 --> 36:43.380]  At that time, an attorney was simply anyone bearing a power of attorney.
[36:43.380 --> 36:49.380]  It was a custom in those days for lawyers to get a client
[36:49.380 --> 36:52.380]  to execute a written power of attorney
[36:52.380 --> 36:56.380]  before they would represent them in court.
[36:56.380 --> 37:01.380]  So over the time, the word has morphed
[37:01.380 --> 37:05.380]  until attorney and lawyer have become nearly synonymous.
[37:05.380 --> 37:08.380]  That's really a hijacking of the word.
[37:08.380 --> 37:12.380]  And if you look to original meaning in the Texas Constitution,
[37:12.380 --> 37:15.380]  an attorney was simply anyone with a power of attorney,
[37:15.380 --> 37:18.380]  didn't have to be a lawyer,
[37:18.380 --> 37:26.380]  which also means that an attorney general
[37:26.380 --> 37:31.380]  is simply anyone with a general power of attorney.
[37:31.380 --> 37:36.380]  When the grand jury returns an indictment to someone,
[37:36.380 --> 37:40.380]  they are in effect appointing him attorney general
[37:40.380 --> 37:43.380]  to represent the state in court.
[37:43.380 --> 37:45.380]  Doesn't have to be a lawyer.
[37:45.380 --> 37:51.380]  Doesn't have to be an elected DA or even an appointed DA.
[37:51.380 --> 37:56.380]  Even state law allows for prosecutors pro tempore,
[37:56.380 --> 38:02.380]  which are non-district attorneys appointed by a court
[38:02.380 --> 38:04.380]  or accepted by a court,
[38:04.380 --> 38:07.380]  doesn't have to be appointed formally,
[38:07.380 --> 38:11.380]  as the prosecutor indicates.
[38:11.380 --> 38:16.380]  And state law even provides for paying them if their funds are available.
[38:16.380 --> 38:23.380]  So if you go back to the Texas Constitution of 1876,
[38:23.380 --> 38:25.380]  as originally understood,
[38:25.380 --> 38:31.380]  you'll see that there's been a lot of changes in legal language
[38:31.380 --> 38:34.380]  between 1876 and today.
[38:34.380 --> 38:38.380]  And you can't really understand a lot of what's been going on
[38:38.380 --> 38:43.380]  unless you understand the transformation of legal language,
[38:43.380 --> 38:48.380]  legal English, between different periods in history,
[38:48.380 --> 38:57.380]  from 1787 to 1876, tonight to 2010.
[38:57.380 --> 39:02.380]  Okay, now that sounds a lot like Alladash.
[39:02.380 --> 39:08.380]  Right now, he's prone to use definitions of words
[39:08.380 --> 39:13.380]  that were definitions of words 100 years ago.
[39:13.380 --> 39:18.380]  I'm only interested in the definitions of words in the current law.
[39:18.380 --> 39:19.380]  Obviously, that's the problem,
[39:19.380 --> 39:23.380]  because law written 100 years ago
[39:23.380 --> 39:27.380]  still has to have the meaning that it had when it was written.
[39:27.380 --> 39:30.380]  If you can change the law by changing the meaning of it,
[39:30.380 --> 39:32.380]  then there's not law.
[39:32.380 --> 39:33.380]  That's a different issue.
[39:33.380 --> 39:36.380]  We were talking about the meanings of the terms, not the law.
[39:36.380 --> 39:40.380]  No, I am talking about the terms used in the law,
[39:40.380 --> 39:44.380]  and it's the meanings that they had when those laws were written.
[39:44.380 --> 39:46.380]  Okay, that's philosophical,
[39:46.380 --> 39:52.380]  but the way we have to deal with it is the way the courts have defined it.
[39:52.380 --> 39:54.380]  And when we talk about the meanings of terms,
[39:54.380 --> 39:58.380]  we don't talk about the meanings we use for the term on the street,
[39:58.380 --> 40:00.380]  but the legal meanings of the terms.
[40:00.380 --> 40:01.380]  That's right.
[40:01.380 --> 40:03.380]  We can't just decide what we think they should be.
[40:03.380 --> 40:08.380]  We have to deal with what exists in the stare decisis,
[40:08.380 --> 40:10.380]  cleaning laws.
[40:10.380 --> 40:16.380]  And keep in mind, too, that stare decisis itself
[40:16.380 --> 40:23.380]  is not authorized by any constitution, a union or a state.
[40:23.380 --> 40:27.380]  It is, in fact, in fundamental illogical contradiction
[40:27.380 --> 40:30.380]  to having a written constitution of government.
[40:30.380 --> 40:35.380]  Yeah, but the Constitution refers to the common law.
[40:35.380 --> 40:38.380]  That's what stare decisis is.
[40:38.380 --> 40:41.380]  But that is, according to the rules of common law,
[40:41.380 --> 40:50.380]  it refers to methods of construction, not the stare decisis.
[40:50.380 --> 40:52.380]  Stare decisis is not...
[40:52.380 --> 40:53.380]  Wait a minute.
[40:53.380 --> 40:56.380]  We have a lot of people talking about common law,
[40:56.380 --> 40:58.380]  and I can never find it.
[40:58.380 --> 41:04.380]  If there's a common law other than the stare decisis, where is it?
[41:04.380 --> 41:06.380]  I've never seen it.
[41:06.380 --> 41:09.380]  I can explain common law.
[41:09.380 --> 41:11.380]  Okay, common law is...
[41:11.380 --> 41:19.380]  The concept of common law is that there is a body of principles
[41:19.380 --> 41:24.380]  arising from nature and the society, the social contract,
[41:24.380 --> 41:28.380]  which are unwritten, lex non scripta,
[41:28.380 --> 41:34.380]  which courts discover in cases before them.
[41:34.380 --> 41:38.380]  So at the time the United States was founded,
[41:38.380 --> 41:42.380]  there was this large body of court decisions,
[41:42.380 --> 41:49.380]  each of which claimed not to be making law, but to be discovering it,
[41:49.380 --> 41:52.380]  discovering the natural principles of justice,
[41:52.380 --> 41:56.380]  which were involved in the cases before it.
[41:56.380 --> 42:00.380]  Frankly, that terrifies me.
[42:00.380 --> 42:03.380]  Yeah, okay, and that created a problem,
[42:03.380 --> 42:11.380]  because by the time that Edward Cook and Blackstone and other commentators
[42:11.380 --> 42:16.380]  started to try to pull together all the cases that had accumulated
[42:16.380 --> 42:19.380]  to try to make sense of it,
[42:19.380 --> 42:22.380]  the study of law was already intractable,
[42:22.380 --> 42:28.380]  because it involved having to study hundreds of years of old cases.
[42:28.380 --> 42:33.380]  And it could take decades to get to the point where you can even begin
[42:33.380 --> 42:36.380]  to confidently argue a case in court.
[42:36.380 --> 42:42.380]  And judges were, you know, for them it was an almost insurmountable problem.
[42:42.380 --> 42:47.380]  You could find precedents for almost any side of any issue.
[42:47.380 --> 42:54.380]  So one of the things that our founders attempted to achieve
[42:54.380 --> 42:57.380]  in adopting a written constitution of government
[42:57.380 --> 43:02.380]  was to establish a new foundation for law.
[43:02.380 --> 43:06.380]  Non-conflicting parts of the common law were incorporated,
[43:06.380 --> 43:11.380]  but there are important parts of it that are in conflict
[43:11.380 --> 43:14.380]  with having a written constitution of government.
[43:14.380 --> 43:18.380]  And binding started to decide this is one of them.
[43:18.380 --> 43:21.380]  Now, if you go to our website, Constitution.org,
[43:21.380 --> 43:24.380]  and you look at the easiest way to find it,
[43:24.380 --> 43:29.380]  look for the documentary history of the Bill of Rights.
[43:29.380 --> 43:34.380]  You go down to the bottom, and you'll find several articles
[43:34.380 --> 43:40.380]  by Kurt Flash and Gary Lawson that discuss this.
[43:40.380 --> 43:42.380]  Okay, great.
[43:42.380 --> 43:44.380]  All right, stay on the line.
[43:44.380 --> 43:46.380]  We are going to be back on the other side.
[43:46.380 --> 43:50.380]  We've got some callers, Ken, Pat, and Joyce.
[43:50.380 --> 43:52.380]  This is the rule of law.
[43:52.380 --> 44:00.380]  We will be right back.
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[45:22.380 --> 45:28.380]  Always, I must be careful what I'm wishing for.
[45:28.380 --> 45:33.380]  When I'm hungry, I like to know just what I'm fishing for.
[45:33.380 --> 45:39.380]  I ain't asking for much, I ain't trying to be no glutton.
[45:39.380 --> 45:45.380]  I'm just here making my living pushing buttons.
[45:45.380 --> 45:51.380]  I give my message out to anyone in shot and distance.
[45:51.380 --> 45:55.380]  Both for bravery and against slavery.
[45:55.380 --> 45:57.380]  Showing resistance.
[45:57.380 --> 46:02.380]  First I'm crawling, then I'm walking, then I start strutting.
[46:02.380 --> 46:06.380]  Just so glad to make my living pushing buttons.
[46:06.380 --> 46:10.380]  Just so glad to make my living pushing buttons.
[46:10.380 --> 46:13.380]  That one goes out to all the push button heads.
[46:13.380 --> 46:16.380]  Pushing the buttons, behind the scenes,
[46:16.380 --> 46:20.380]  putting the word of truth out on the air.
[46:20.380 --> 46:23.380]  You know who you are.
[46:23.380 --> 46:27.380]  Okay, we are with John Rowland,
[46:27.380 --> 46:34.380]  and Randy, you wanted to ask him concerning his platform.
[46:34.380 --> 46:38.380]  Yeah, we kind of jumped into a secondary issue.
[46:38.380 --> 46:47.380]  I'd like to kind of give some time to kind of explain your platform
[46:47.380 --> 46:51.380]  and what the Libertarian Party, as it concerns the Attorney General,
[46:51.380 --> 46:54.380]  would do if you could get into office.
[46:54.380 --> 47:01.380]  Okay, well first of all, there are four platforms of interest.
[47:01.380 --> 47:08.380]  There's of course the national platform at LP.org.
[47:08.380 --> 47:13.380]  There's a Texas platform, LPTexas.org.
[47:13.380 --> 47:20.380]  And there are my two platforms on what will soon be split out into two websites.
[47:20.380 --> 47:29.380]  Apparently they're on one website, one for Attorney General and one for U.S. Senate.
[47:29.380 --> 47:36.380]  So each one of them covers different areas in varying levels of detail.
[47:36.380 --> 47:40.380]  Now, I should explain that I'm on both the national
[47:40.380 --> 47:43.380]  and the state platform committees,
[47:43.380 --> 47:47.380]  and a large part of the platforms of both the national party
[47:47.380 --> 47:51.380]  and the state party are my work product.
[47:51.380 --> 47:57.380]  And I can't say I really disagree with any important parts of them in the most part.
[47:57.380 --> 48:01.380]  So, yes, as far as they go,
[48:01.380 --> 48:09.380]  they are reasonably indicative of where national and state libertarians stand.
[48:09.380 --> 48:13.380]  Although from my viewpoint, they don't go into nearly enough detail,
[48:13.380 --> 48:18.380]  and that's what I try to do in mine.
[48:18.380 --> 48:24.380]  Well, can you give us kind of a general overview of what your planks are?
[48:24.380 --> 48:31.380]  Well, the easiest way to summarize it is a fiscal conservative and social liberal.
[48:31.380 --> 48:36.380]  That's when we try to boil it down to a bumper sticker.
[48:36.380 --> 48:42.380]  Generally speaking, to understand where the Libertarian Party is at now,
[48:42.380 --> 48:46.380]  you have to understand that it's gone through a historical transformation.
[48:46.380 --> 48:54.380]  It started out as an outgrowth of the Goldwater movement in the Republican Party.
[48:54.380 --> 49:01.380]  And when he wasn't elected in 1964, things sort of simmered for a while,
[49:01.380 --> 49:05.380]  and then finally the Libertarian Party was formed.
[49:05.380 --> 49:11.380]  It essentially represented the principles that Goldwater did,
[49:11.380 --> 49:15.380]  which other people believed in, of course,
[49:15.380 --> 49:22.380]  but that wasn't associated with the Republican Party.
[49:22.380 --> 49:29.380]  Initially, it tended to attract a lot of people who were Libertarian on policy grounds.
[49:29.380 --> 49:39.380]  In other words, they wanted small government, weak government, as little government as possible.
[49:39.380 --> 49:47.380]  Now, over a period of the last, I think probably since about 2002,
[49:47.380 --> 49:55.380]  constitutionalists have emerged as the dominant wing of the Libertarian Party.
[49:55.380 --> 50:03.380]  The nomination of Michael Badnarek represented the changeover, as it were.
[50:03.380 --> 50:10.380]  So basically I represent the constitutionalist wing of the party.
[50:10.380 --> 50:15.380]  And my basic position, which I think is shared by many others,
[50:15.380 --> 50:23.380]  is that we start with a constitution and we see small government as simply
[50:23.380 --> 50:27.380]  what would happen if we followed the Constitution.
[50:27.380 --> 50:33.380]  But the Constitution is fundamental rather than small government.
[50:33.380 --> 50:40.380]  In principle, you could need big government under certain circumstances, let's say during a war,
[50:40.380 --> 50:46.380]  but it always has to be compatible with the Constitution.
[50:46.380 --> 50:49.380]  Okay, but you haven't got to your positions.
[50:49.380 --> 50:55.380]  Okay, now on JohnRoland.org, J-O-N-R-O-L-E-N-D.org,
[50:55.380 --> 51:01.380]  you will initially see it set up as my U.S. Senate campaign page.
[51:01.380 --> 51:06.380]  And there's a link there for my Attorney General campaign page.
[51:06.380 --> 51:09.380]  Those are the two that are going to be split out.
[51:09.380 --> 51:17.380] .org will become the Attorney General page, and.net will become the U.S. Senate page.
[51:17.380 --> 51:23.380]  And on each of them, you'll see what I'm advocating.
[51:23.380 --> 51:27.380]  I have a long list of things that I would do as Attorney General
[51:27.380 --> 51:31.380]  and a long list of things I would do if I were elected to the U.S. Senate.
[51:31.380 --> 51:39.380]  And it would be difficult to summarize them except to say that basically what I am going to be trying to do
[51:39.380 --> 51:47.380]  is to bring either state or federal government into strict compliance with the Constitution.
[51:47.380 --> 51:50.380]  So, for example, if I became Attorney General,
[51:50.380 --> 51:58.380]  I would be addressing a lot of the points that were being made by Eddie and others at the beginning of this broadcast.
[51:58.380 --> 52:03.380]  Now, there are limits to what constitutionally the Attorney General can do,
[52:03.380 --> 52:09.380]  but if one is very creative and I try to find creative solutions,
[52:09.380 --> 52:19.380]  you can work around those limitations to try to work on corruption in government.
[52:19.380 --> 52:25.380]  Because in Texas, although there are problems with the statutes,
[52:25.380 --> 52:32.380]  most of the problems are in the implementation that Deborah was mentioning earlier.
[52:32.380 --> 52:40.380]  And the problem is there that the local government in Texas is an incubator of corruption,
[52:40.380 --> 52:49.380]  which then infects state government and ultimately national government.
[52:49.380 --> 52:52.380]  And this is true of states generally.
[52:52.380 --> 53:01.380]  Most of the public officials start at the local level and become corrupt at that level and then are elevated.
[53:01.380 --> 53:05.380]  Now, of course, you should be familiar with the situation.
[53:05.380 --> 53:12.380]  For example, in Williamson County, what I am about to say,
[53:12.380 --> 53:19.380]  or especially if you agree with me, may get you immediately cut off the air as we speak,
[53:19.380 --> 53:26.380]  but Williamson County is one of the centers of corruption in Texas.
[53:26.380 --> 53:29.380]  What I want to know is what can the Attorney General do about that?
[53:29.380 --> 53:31.380]  Because as far as I am understanding,
[53:31.380 --> 53:38.380]  the Attorney General doesn't even have any prosecutorial authority except for in cases of enforcing child support.
[53:38.380 --> 53:42.380]  Mainly the Attorney General is the defense attorney for public officials.
[53:42.380 --> 53:49.380]  So how is the Attorney General's office going to affect policy?
[53:49.380 --> 53:52.380]  Do you understand what I am saying?
[53:52.380 --> 53:57.380]  What else does the Attorney General do besides act as a defense attorney for public officials
[53:57.380 --> 53:59.380]  and prosecuting child support?
[53:59.380 --> 54:04.380]  Because I don't see how the Attorney General is going to be able to deal with city councils
[54:04.380 --> 54:08.380]  and local governments and county commissioners' courts and things like that.
[54:08.380 --> 54:15.380]  Well, first of all, the Attorney General also enforces corporations, including municipal corporations.
[54:15.380 --> 54:19.380]  What do you mean, enforces corporations? What does that mean?
[54:19.380 --> 54:28.380]  If a municipal corporation involves a violation of law, he can't go after city officials.
[54:28.380 --> 54:30.380]  What do you mean by going after?
[54:30.380 --> 54:31.380]  Where does he get that authority?
[54:31.380 --> 54:37.380]  We've only seen that the district attorney and county attorneys have prosecutorial power.
[54:37.380 --> 54:45.380]  The only place I can find a statute where an Attorney General is the prosecutor of original jurisdiction
[54:45.380 --> 54:52.380]  is in a complaint under the Open Records Act, a criminal complaint under the Open Records Act,
[54:52.380 --> 54:57.380]  against a county or district attorney. That's the only place I can find.
[54:57.380 --> 55:09.380]  He can do one other thing, is he can cancel the city charter or the incorporation of that city.
[55:09.380 --> 55:12.380]  Under what grounds?
[55:12.380 --> 55:19.380]  Because he has general authority to suspend or dissolve corporations.
[55:19.380 --> 55:24.380]  Can that be done with no due process that doesn't have to go through a court proceeding?
[55:24.380 --> 55:28.380]  The Attorney General can just dissolve whatever corporations he feels like?
[55:28.380 --> 55:36.380]  No, he's supposed to hold a hearing, but it puts the corporation on the defensive.
[55:36.380 --> 55:41.380]  But a hearing in what court? An administrative court or a court of his own office?
[55:41.380 --> 55:46.380]  Actually, he can pick any court he wants.
[55:46.380 --> 55:51.380]  Of course, what I would have to do as Attorney General is to find a friendly court somewhere.
[55:51.380 --> 55:56.380]  Okay, so technically you're saying the Attorney General doesn't really have the authority to just dissolve the corporations,
[55:56.380 --> 56:02.380]  but he can bring a suit in a court to petition to prosecute to dissolve a corporation.
[56:02.380 --> 56:06.380]  Right. The trick would be to find a friendly court somewhere.
[56:06.380 --> 56:12.380]  For example, we have here in Travis County maybe one of the last honest,
[56:12.380 --> 56:18.380]  confident judges in Texas and the country, Charlie Baird.
[56:18.380 --> 56:30.380]  If you recall, he is the one who opened the Travis County grand jury to a citizen complaint concerning, interestingly enough, open records.
[56:30.380 --> 56:33.380]  Okay, who was this again?
[56:33.380 --> 56:35.380]  Charlie Baird.
[56:35.380 --> 56:37.380]  Baird?
[56:37.380 --> 56:40.380]  B-A-I-R-D.
[56:40.380 --> 56:50.380]  It would take too long to go into the details of the case, but generally basically there was this citizen who was trying to get access to the Travis County grand jury,
[56:50.380 --> 56:53.380]  and of course the DA's office wouldn't let him.
[56:53.380 --> 57:03.380]  So he went to Judge Baird, and Judge Baird says, no, no, no, no, no, you can't block his access to this grand jury.
[57:03.380 --> 57:11.380]  You stand aside and let him talk to the grand jury, and he did, and they brought in a indictment.
[57:11.380 --> 57:26.380]  Oh, wonderful. It took me a year to get Ron Earl to stand aside and give my criminal complaints against all of the justices of the court of criminal appeals to the grand jury.
[57:26.380 --> 57:28.380]  Yeah, well.
[57:28.380 --> 57:30.380]  That was a real fight.
[57:30.380 --> 57:39.380]  So if we've got a judge I could go to who will actually push the district attorney aside, that would save me a lot of fighting.
[57:39.380 --> 57:55.380]  Well, another thing that Judge Baird has threatened to do, although he hasn't done it yet, is to panel grand juries at random, like trial juries, rather than from a list of cronies.
[57:55.380 --> 58:02.380]  And it's definitely doing it good to have a grand jury impose the friends of the prosecutor or the judge.
[58:02.380 --> 58:07.380]  Well, that's why I tell people to go volunteer to be on the grand jury, if you have the time.
[58:07.380 --> 58:16.380]  You have to have the time because you have to commit to a couple times a week, all day long, for three, four months, maybe six months in Texas.
[58:16.380 --> 58:32.380]  So folks out there, if you have the time, if you're a single mom or you've got time on your hands, students, go volunteer to be a grand jury member because it's very difficult to do jury pools for grand jury members because people have to work.
[58:32.380 --> 58:35.380]  So folks, if you've got time on your hands, go volunteer to be on the grand jury.
[58:35.380 --> 58:47.380]  That's one of the best ways that you can actually do something to take this system back so we can start indicting these corrupt people, even the corrupt judges, and start prosecuting them.
[58:47.380 --> 58:50.380]  We have to take back control of our grand juries.
[58:50.380 --> 58:52.380]  Go volunteer to be on a grand jury today.
[58:52.380 --> 59:00.380]  We'll be right back.
[59:00.380 --> 59:03.380]  Our right to bear arms is under attack here in Austin.
[59:03.380 --> 59:20.380]  Police Chief Acevedo and his goons need to know we will not allow them to strong arm private businesses, gun show promoters and vendors, run corrupt sting operations to intimidate legal gun sellers, and cut off public access to purchasing firearms in Austin.
[59:20.380 --> 59:23.380]  City Council needs to hold him accountable.
[59:23.380 --> 59:24.380]  This is it, people.
[59:24.380 --> 59:25.380]  It is starting.
[59:25.380 --> 59:29.380]  And we, the people, are the only ones who are going to do anything about it.
[59:29.380 --> 59:36.380]  If you don't live in Austin and don't help us stop this here, believe it when we say it's coming to attack the city near you.
[59:36.380 --> 59:45.380]  Monday, January 25th, from 5 to 7 p.m. in front of the Austin Police Department, show up, 715 East 8th Street.
[59:45.380 --> 59:47.380]  Come early, park down the street, and walk.
[59:47.380 --> 59:53.380]  Wear your gun holsters on your hip and shoulder, but instead of a weapon, put the Constitution in it.
[59:53.380 --> 59:56.380]  Bring your friends, your voice, and your signs.
[59:56.380 --> 59:59.380]  City Council needs to hold him accountable.
[59:59.380 --> 01:00:04.380]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:12.380]  On Iraq Friday, 31 Shiite pilgrims were killed in a mortar bomb attack, blamed on al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein loyalists.
[01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:23.380]  The bomb struck pilgrims who were leaving the holy city of Karbala, where more than a million devotees had gathered to mark the festival of Arbaeen.
[01:00:23.380 --> 01:00:28.380]  In Afghanistan, Afghan and NATO forces killed 32 Taliban fighters.
[01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:34.380]  Three Afghan soldiers were also killed, and four others, including a NATO soldier, were injured.
[01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:39.380]  Dubai's police commissioner says an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
[01:00:39.380 --> 01:00:49.380]  will be issued over the murder of a Hamas official in Dubai if Israel's Mossad spy service is found to have been behind the assassination.
[01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:53.380]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:59.380]  The Toronto Globe and Mail says Barack Obama has vastly escalated the war against Islamic extremists
[01:00:59.380 --> 01:01:06.380]  with covert and mostly deniable violence, far beyond the 30,000 additional troops being sent to Afghanistan.
[01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:13.380]  In Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, small cadres of special operations soldiers and near-silent unmanned aircraft
[01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:19.380]  capable of assassinations in the middle of the night have taken the fight against Islamic extremists to new levels.
[01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:25.380]  Airstrikes in Pakistan are on pace to reach 150 this year, triple last year's total,
[01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:32.380]  while at the same time top U.S. generals have all but banned warplanes from bombing targets in Afghanistan.
[01:01:32.380 --> 01:01:35.380]  Civilian casualties have caused fury among Afghans.
[01:01:35.380 --> 01:01:42.380]  The killing Thursday of three American soldiers, the first known deaths of U.S. soldiers in Pakistan's border region,
[01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:47.380]  lifted the veil of secrecy that shrouds U.S. covert operations in Pakistan.
[01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:58.380]  Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday Afghanistan is sitting on mineral and petroleum reserves
[01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:01.380]  worth an estimated $1 trillion.
[01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:08.380]  Karzai said he based his assertion on a $17 million survey being carried out by the U.S. Geological Survey
[01:02:08.380 --> 01:02:11.380]  due to be completed in a couple of months.
[01:02:11.380 --> 01:02:17.380]  Afghanistan has a wide range of deposits including copper, iron ore, gold and chromite,
[01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:21.380]  as well as natural gas, oil and precious and semi-freshest stones.
[01:02:21.380 --> 01:02:26.380]  Little has been exploited because the country has been mired in conflict for 30 years.
[01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:32.380]  China and India have bid for contracts to develop mines with the Chinese winning a copper contract.
[01:02:32.380 --> 01:02:38.380]  In 2007, China's state-owned metals giant, Metallurgical Group Corporation,
[01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:46.380]  signed a $3 billion contract to develop the ANAC copper mine, one of the world's biggest, over the next 30 years.
[01:02:46.380 --> 01:03:09.380]  First discovered in 1974, the mine is estimated to contain 11 million tons of copper.
[01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:26.380]  It's all according to the will of the Almighty
[01:03:26.380 --> 01:03:33.380]  I read his book and he says he cares not for the unsightly
[01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:42.380]  These warmongers come by that term rightly
[01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:46.380]  I won't pay for the war with my body
[01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:49.380]  Ain't gonna pay for the car with my money
[01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:52.380]  I won't pay for the fun with my body
[01:03:52.380 --> 01:04:02.380]  Their plan is wicked and their logic is shoddy
[01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:08.380]  We're not gonna pay for their toys with our money
[01:04:08.380 --> 01:04:12.380]  Their whole agenda smells real funny
[01:04:12.380 --> 01:04:14.380]  We're gonna fight in our own war people
[01:04:14.380 --> 01:04:19.380]  We're picking the fight this time
[01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:21.380]  Much less accident prone
[01:04:21.380 --> 01:04:26.380]  Because we're calling the shots this time
[01:04:26.380 --> 01:04:27.380]  We'll pay for our own war
[01:04:27.380 --> 01:04:34.380]  We're making the rules this time
[01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:39.380]  Yeah, they live in the glass houses
[01:04:39.380 --> 01:04:42.380]  We are gonna win this war this time
[01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:44.380]  Because we're picking the fight
[01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:45.380]  We're taking it to them
[01:04:45.380 --> 01:04:47.380]  We're not running anymore
[01:04:47.380 --> 01:04:48.380]  We're not in the defensive
[01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:49.380]  We know the law
[01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:50.380]  We're learning the law
[01:04:50.380 --> 01:04:52.380]  We're taking it to them
[01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:53.380]  We're picking the fight
[01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:54.380]  We're the plaintiffs
[01:04:54.380 --> 01:04:57.380]  We're making the rules
[01:04:57.380 --> 01:04:58.380]  And we're gonna win this time
[01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:00.380]  We are winning
[01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:03.380]  We are gonna go to our collar bridge right now
[01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:06.380]  We've got Pat in West Texas
[01:05:06.380 --> 01:05:07.380]  probably hanging off the water tower.
[01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:08.380]  Pat, thanks for calling in.
[01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:12.380]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:15.380]  Is that Pat or Metta?
[01:05:15.380 --> 01:05:18.380]  No.
[01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:22.380]  Guys, hello?
[01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:25.380]  All right.
[01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:27.380]  All right, well, let's go to Ken in Texas.
[01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:28.380]  Ken, thanks for calling in.
[01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:30.380]  What's on your mind?
[01:05:30.380 --> 01:05:31.380]  Hi, dear.
[01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:35.380]  I have a kind of a simple little situation
[01:05:35.380 --> 01:05:37.380]  that we may get a kick out of.
[01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:40.380]  As I mentioned a few days ago when I called in,
[01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:42.380]  I have a traffic ticket,
[01:05:42.380 --> 01:05:44.380]  a couple of traffic tickets in Plano here,
[01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:48.380]  like one of the most formidable opponents around.
[01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:52.380]  Anyway, I got these tickets about 14 days ago.
[01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:56.380]  And tomorrow is the final day that I have
[01:05:56.380 --> 01:05:59.380]  before I'm supposed to make my appearance.
[01:05:59.380 --> 01:06:06.380]  And so I was looking at the ticket itself,
[01:06:06.380 --> 01:06:08.380]  and it says the days of the court
[01:06:08.380 --> 01:06:11.380]  are essentially Monday through Friday.
[01:06:11.380 --> 01:06:13.380]  And I thought, wait a minute.
[01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:15.380]  The day I'm supposed to be there at the latest
[01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:17.380]  is the 6th of Saturday.
[01:06:17.380 --> 01:06:21.380]  So I thought I would call them and ask.
[01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:25.380]  And they said, well, since it's Saturday and we're closed,
[01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:29.380]  we're going to let our policy as we just come in on Monday
[01:06:29.380 --> 01:06:31.380]  extend it automatically.
[01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:33.380]  So I said, that's pretty cool.
[01:06:33.380 --> 01:06:37.380]  So anyway, I was talking to a friend of mine
[01:06:37.380 --> 01:06:39.380]  who's also a listener.
[01:06:39.380 --> 01:06:42.380]  And he suggested that maybe we have a little fun with this.
[01:06:42.380 --> 01:06:45.380]  And basically, I go to the court tomorrow.
[01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:49.380]  And, you know, hey, I can't help it that they're closed.
[01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:56.380]  I did appear and then file my papers that I want to file anyway,
[01:06:56.380 --> 01:06:58.380]  which is a motion for dismissal,
[01:06:58.380 --> 01:07:01.380]  a motion to improve jurisdiction, et cetera.
[01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:05.380]  And we do this by mail for a while.
[01:07:05.380 --> 01:07:08.380]  So I don't know, maybe it sounds like a silly idea,
[01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:11.380]  but I just wanted to kind of get some ideas
[01:07:11.380 --> 01:07:14.380]  from the experts over there.
[01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:16.380]  Well, the first thing I'd like to ask is,
[01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:18.380]  how do you intend to file these papers tomorrow?
[01:07:18.380 --> 01:07:21.380]  Shove them under the crack in the door?
[01:07:21.380 --> 01:07:26.380]  Well, actually, they told me that at the jail,
[01:07:26.380 --> 01:07:28.380]  which is nearby, there's a little drop box,
[01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:32.380]  and I can put papers in there which they go to the court.
[01:07:32.380 --> 01:07:35.380]  Yeah, unfortunately, they're not stamped by anybody
[01:07:35.380 --> 01:07:37.380]  saying that they've been filed.
[01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.380]  And the next thing you know, you have a warrant in your mailbox
[01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:41.380]  because you have no proof anything was filed
[01:07:41.380 --> 01:07:44.380]  with a clerk or anybody else.
[01:07:44.380 --> 01:07:48.380]  Yeah, you want to get the stamp copy back when you file it.
[01:07:48.380 --> 01:07:49.380]  Right.
[01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:50.380]  And that's not going to happen.
[01:07:50.380 --> 01:07:52.380]  And even if you shove it under the door tomorrow,
[01:07:52.380 --> 01:07:54.380]  technically, it's not going to be filed till Monday
[01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:58.380]  because they're not going to stamp it and file it till Monday.
[01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:01.380]  Right.
[01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:04.380]  The problem with appear and disappear is fine
[01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:08.380]  if you came in early enough to make it work for you.
[01:08:08.380 --> 01:08:11.380]  Basically, Randy and I were talking about that earlier.
[01:08:11.380 --> 01:08:14.380]  What they do is they have you sign the ticket saying
[01:08:14.380 --> 01:08:17.380]  appear on or before, with the intent being that
[01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:21.380]  if you appear before, very few of these places
[01:08:21.380 --> 01:08:24.380]  actually have a judge sitting in a chair all day,
[01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:27.380]  every day, waiting on that on or before date.
[01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:28.380]  Okay?
[01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:31.380]  Normally, the date that's given to you will be the only date
[01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:35.380]  the judge will actually be sitting and be available
[01:08:35.380 --> 01:08:38.380]  unless you just happen to catch them in session for somebody
[01:08:38.380 --> 01:08:41.380]  that's been in there for another period of time.
[01:08:41.380 --> 01:08:42.380]  Okay?
[01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:43.380]  Right.
[01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:48.380]  So what you can do is you can go down and you can file documents
[01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:50.380]  and that shows that you appeared in court,
[01:08:50.380 --> 01:08:54.380]  but you still want to get the stamp that says you were there.
[01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:56.380]  You need something to show that you came
[01:08:56.380 --> 01:08:59.380]  and the judge himself or herself was the one
[01:08:59.380 --> 01:09:03.380]  that was not available, not you.
[01:09:03.380 --> 01:09:06.380]  Okay, so I can do this Monday.
[01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:08.380]  Yes.
[01:09:08.380 --> 01:09:11.380]  Okay, and because they have that policy,
[01:09:11.380 --> 01:09:15.380]  the court told me that that's not a problem here.
[01:09:15.380 --> 01:09:22.380]  Okay, and read 543.006 paragraph B.
[01:09:22.380 --> 01:09:29.380]  It says you are to appear before a magistrate.
[01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:31.380]  That's what it says in the code.
[01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:33.380]  So you're not there to appear before a judge.
[01:09:33.380 --> 01:09:35.380]  You're there to appear before a magistrate
[01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:39.380]  and since you're appearing before the magistrate,
[01:09:39.380 --> 01:09:43.380]  there's only a couple things he can do.
[01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:46.380]  One of them is marry people, and if you're there to get married,
[01:09:46.380 --> 01:09:51.380]  he can do that or hold an examining trial.
[01:09:51.380 --> 01:09:52.380]  That's it.
[01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:54.380]  But there's a problem with municipal courts
[01:09:54.380 --> 01:09:56.380]  holding an examining trial.
[01:09:56.380 --> 01:09:58.380]  Not a municipal court.
[01:09:58.380 --> 01:10:00.380]  You're not there to go to the court.
[01:10:00.380 --> 01:10:04.380]  You're there before a magistrate, not a municipal court judge.
[01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:05.380]  This is true.
[01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:10.380]  However, 1517B specifically says that if you're there for an offense
[01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:14.380]  punishable by fine only and you are not in the county
[01:10:14.380 --> 01:10:19.380]  or statutory county court, the only thing this magistrate can do
[01:10:19.380 --> 01:10:23.380]  is identify you as accurately as possible
[01:10:23.380 --> 01:10:28.380]  and then send you to the county or statutory county court for arraignment.
[01:10:28.380 --> 01:10:33.380]  That's 1517B.
[01:10:33.380 --> 01:10:35.380]  This is an imperameteria problem.
[01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:36.380]  Right.
[01:10:36.380 --> 01:10:40.380]  So even though you are before a magistrate,
[01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:43.380]  you're not before a magistrate that has jurisdiction to hold an arraignment
[01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:46.380]  or an examining trial on this case.
[01:10:46.380 --> 01:10:50.380]  They are recommended by law to send you to the county
[01:10:50.380 --> 01:10:53.380]  or statutory county court.
[01:10:53.380 --> 01:10:57.380]  The fact that they don't do it just shows that they don't care what the law says,
[01:10:57.380 --> 01:11:01.380]  but that is what the law says.
[01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:03.380]  Okay.
[01:11:03.380 --> 01:11:07.380]  Now, I also thought about taking another angle on this,
[01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:11.380]  which is similar but maybe a little more controversial,
[01:11:11.380 --> 01:11:17.380]  and that is to put in essentially my list of questions I'd like for them to answer,
[01:11:17.380 --> 01:11:21.380]  such as the nature of the charges, their jurisdiction.
[01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:22.380]  Well, that's not going to happen.
[01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:24.380]  We'll save you a little bit of time.
[01:11:24.380 --> 01:11:29.380]  The problem with working an angle is you can't see what's coming around the other side.
[01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:30.380]  I like that, yeah.
[01:11:30.380 --> 01:11:36.380]  So you be straight up and you do it the way it needs to be done to bring to the court's attention
[01:11:36.380 --> 01:11:38.380]  that they're acting without jurisdiction.
[01:11:38.380 --> 01:11:43.380]  They can't answer questions over something because that would be advising you, okay,
[01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.380]  which they cannot and will not do.
[01:11:45.380 --> 01:11:50.380]  But the other problem is is they can't hold a court or an examining trial
[01:11:50.380 --> 01:11:54.380]  because they lack jurisdiction under the law.
[01:11:54.380 --> 01:11:58.380]  They are given specific instructions on what to do with you.
[01:11:58.380 --> 01:12:00.380]  They don't do it.
[01:12:00.380 --> 01:12:04.380]  And as Randy likes to say, the minute they violate a law associated with their office,
[01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:08.380]  their entire set of actions is null and void.
[01:12:08.380 --> 01:12:11.380]  Ab initio, from the beginning.
[01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:17.380]  Yeah, and, Ken, here's a technique that I use just to go along with your line of thinking.
[01:12:17.380 --> 01:12:23.380]  Instead of asking them to, you know, come up with these things,
[01:12:23.380 --> 01:12:30.380]  I prove that they did not prove that I broke the law, okay?
[01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:38.380]  I prove that they did not prove that I broke the law or whoever the accused would be in that case.
[01:12:38.380 --> 01:12:43.380]  Line by line through their paperwork, line by line through the statute,
[01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:47.380]  they accuse, you know, a lot of this has to do with, like, the FCC stuff.
[01:12:47.380 --> 01:12:53.380]  They want to say these people broke, you know, they violated some section of the code.
[01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:57.380]  Okay, well, they've got to be more specific than that.
[01:12:57.380 --> 01:13:06.380]  They can't just say you violated Title 47 or you violated Section 301 or whatever.
[01:13:06.380 --> 01:13:07.380]  Okay.
[01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:09.380]  Okay, there are so many little details.
[01:13:09.380 --> 01:13:13.380]  I mean, they have to, if they're going to accuse you of breaking a law,
[01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:15.380]  they have to be real specific.
[01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:20.380]  And so instead of asking them to come up with something,
[01:13:20.380 --> 01:13:22.380]  I mean, you're never going to know what you're going to get there.
[01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:25.380]  And besides, they don't have any, I mean, there's no duty there.
[01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:29.380]  I mean, what I do is I go over their paperwork and I say,
[01:13:29.380 --> 01:13:35.380]  you did not prove that I broke this law, okay, line by line by line.
[01:13:35.380 --> 01:13:39.380]  That's, I think that's a little bit more stronger strategy.
[01:13:39.380 --> 01:13:42.380]  Or you didn't accurately make the accusation.
[01:13:42.380 --> 01:13:43.380]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:46.380]  That's exactly what I'm saying.
[01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:51.380]  I will prove not only did they not accurately make the accusation,
[01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:54.380]  but they also didn't prove that the law was broken.
[01:13:54.380 --> 01:13:57.380]  What is the charge?
[01:13:57.380 --> 01:14:03.380]  Well, it's two charged offenses, one no driver's license and one speeding.
[01:14:03.380 --> 01:14:09.380]  Okay, you need to go back to the January 11th show and download that archive
[01:14:09.380 --> 01:14:13.380]  and listen to it because I go straight into the cross-examination of the
[01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:15.380]  officer regarding the driver's license.
[01:14:15.380 --> 01:14:19.380]  I also go straight into the cross-examination of the officer dealing with speeding
[01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:25.380]  and exactly how to lead him down the little gold layered path to show he's an idiot.
[01:14:25.380 --> 01:14:26.380]  Yes.
[01:14:26.380 --> 01:14:32.380]  Yeah, I just listened to that earlier and that is outstanding.
[01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:36.380]  I didn't know a button in there, you know, there was a pause.
[01:14:36.380 --> 01:14:43.380]  I tried to really approach this from the good angle, I think,
[01:14:43.380 --> 01:14:47.380]  and this may be really the right angle, which is really I don't believe I want
[01:14:47.380 --> 01:14:49.380]  to go in there and start arguing facts.
[01:14:49.380 --> 01:14:55.380]  I want to go in with the real strong position, which is why are you talking to me?
[01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:58.380]  You know, you've got to prove you've got jurisdiction.
[01:14:58.380 --> 01:14:59.380]  That's true.
[01:14:59.380 --> 01:15:00.380]  You do.
[01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:03.380]  But you always prepare for the worst.
[01:15:03.380 --> 01:15:07.380]  And the worst is you go to trial regardless of what the law says you're
[01:15:07.380 --> 01:15:08.380]  supposed to be doing.
[01:15:08.380 --> 01:15:12.380]  That's what their goal is, to get you to trial no matter what.
[01:15:12.380 --> 01:15:13.380]  Right.
[01:15:13.380 --> 01:15:14.380]  All right?
[01:15:14.380 --> 01:15:18.380]  So you always prepare for the entire routine, no matter which part of it you're
[01:15:18.380 --> 01:15:21.380]  trying to avoid, you still better be ready for it.
[01:15:21.380 --> 01:15:25.380]  It's just like if you went into a boxing match and you only wanted the guy to
[01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:28.380]  throw right hooks because you're great at blocking right hooks.
[01:15:28.380 --> 01:15:31.380]  He's not going to do that.
[01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:34.380]  He's not going to assist you in that way.
[01:15:34.380 --> 01:15:39.380]  So you better be prepared to fight all the way around the board.
[01:15:39.380 --> 01:15:40.380]  I understand.
[01:15:40.380 --> 01:15:41.380]  Okay.
[01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:46.380]  So basically I ought to go in one day, essentially come in with my
[01:15:46.380 --> 01:15:51.380]  dispositor emotions and have them on record.
[01:15:51.380 --> 01:15:53.380]  I would, most certainly.
[01:15:53.380 --> 01:15:57.380]  I would do an immediate challenge to the jurisdiction, base it on the
[01:15:57.380 --> 01:16:02.380]  information that we've talked about in the last few shows regarding 1406
[01:16:02.380 --> 01:16:08.380]  and 1517, being in conflict with the transportation code 543.
[01:16:08.380 --> 01:16:12.380]  Because 543, by any chance did they arrest you?
[01:16:12.380 --> 01:16:14.380]  No, they did not arrest me.
[01:16:14.380 --> 01:16:15.380]  Wrong.
[01:16:15.380 --> 01:16:16.380]  Yes, they did.
[01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:18.380]  You people aren't listening.
[01:16:18.380 --> 01:16:23.380]  In Texas, the law says the officer, the arresting officer, can let the person
[01:16:23.380 --> 01:16:27.380]  arrested go if they sign a promise to appear.
[01:16:27.380 --> 01:16:29.380]  You were arrested.
[01:16:29.380 --> 01:16:30.380]  Okay.
[01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:31.380]  Yes.
[01:16:31.380 --> 01:16:38.380]  And he instructed me that I was required to sign a little device there.
[01:16:38.380 --> 01:16:39.380]  Okay.
[01:16:39.380 --> 01:16:41.380]  We'll cover the rest of that when we get back.
[01:16:41.380 --> 01:16:42.380]  All right.
[01:16:42.380 --> 01:16:43.380]  Yes.
[01:16:43.380 --> 01:16:46.380]  And we do have Pat on the line again, Joyce in New Jersey, Steve from
[01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:47.380]  California.
[01:16:47.380 --> 01:17:00.380]  We'll be taking your calls right up on the other side.
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[01:20:24.380 --> 01:20:27.380]  We are here with Ken from Texas.
[01:20:27.380 --> 01:20:33.380]  Randy, you had a comment for Ken, and then we are going to go to Pat.
[01:20:33.380 --> 01:20:37.380]  Oh, actually, Eddie was going to refer him back to the archives.
[01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:40.380]  You really need to understand the jurisdictional challenge, the nature of the
[01:20:40.380 --> 01:20:46.380]  jurisdictional challenge, so that you don't get trapped into arguing issues
[01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:49.380]  before the court.
[01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:53.380]  And it sounds like you already understand that part.
[01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:55.380]  But you really need that...
[01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:57.380]  Of course, there's something else to learn.
[01:20:57.380 --> 01:21:00.380]  Yeah, the issues of why they don't have jurisdiction down.
[01:21:00.380 --> 01:21:01.380]  We need to move along.
[01:21:01.380 --> 01:21:03.380]  We got Pat hanging off the tower.
[01:21:03.380 --> 01:21:06.380]  Yes, we need to go to Pat.
[01:21:06.380 --> 01:21:07.380]  Thank you, Ken.
[01:21:07.380 --> 01:21:09.380]  Okay, we're going to go to Pat from West Texas.
[01:21:09.380 --> 01:21:11.380]  Pat, are you there?
[01:21:11.380 --> 01:21:12.380]  Yeah, I'm here.
[01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:13.380]  Oh, right.
[01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:14.380]  Can you hear me?
[01:21:14.380 --> 01:21:15.380]  Yes.
[01:21:15.380 --> 01:21:16.380]  Okay.
[01:21:16.380 --> 01:21:17.380]  Thanks for hanging in there.
[01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:21.380]  Thanks for hanging out up there, I should say.
[01:21:21.380 --> 01:21:24.380]  Hey, is Mr. Rowland still on the line with you guys?
[01:21:24.380 --> 01:21:25.380]  Yes, he is.
[01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:26.380]  I am.
[01:21:26.380 --> 01:21:27.380]  All right.
[01:21:27.380 --> 01:21:29.380]  All right, Mr. Rowland, I've got a couple of questions for you.
[01:21:29.380 --> 01:21:34.380]  The Attorney General's office is the originator of the ad valorem tax
[01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:39.380]  foreclosure suit brought for property taxes, ad valorem taxes.
[01:21:39.380 --> 01:21:40.380]  That's right.
[01:21:40.380 --> 01:21:48.380]  And most of the land in the state of Texas has land patents filed in Austin
[01:21:48.380 --> 01:21:51.380]  and in each one of the county seats.
[01:21:51.380 --> 01:21:56.380]  Now, here on the show, we've talked about this in the past.
[01:21:56.380 --> 01:22:01.380]  My wife and I have already brought our land patent.
[01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:07.380]  We've accepted the assignment on it and caused a little consternation out here
[01:22:07.380 --> 01:22:08.380]  in the county.
[01:22:08.380 --> 01:22:17.380]  But how can the Attorney General's office bring suit on a piece of property
[01:22:17.380 --> 01:22:20.380]  that is no longer in their jurisdiction?
[01:22:20.380 --> 01:22:24.380]  Because land patents are no longer valid in Texas.
[01:22:24.380 --> 01:22:27.380]  They haven't been for over 100 years.
[01:22:27.380 --> 01:22:28.380]  No, they're not.
[01:22:28.380 --> 01:22:29.380]  No, sir.
[01:22:29.380 --> 01:22:30.380]  The original...
[01:22:30.380 --> 01:22:31.380]  Yes, sir, they are.
[01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:35.380]  I talked to the GLO land patent attorney not more than just a few months ago.
[01:22:35.380 --> 01:22:38.380]  All of the land patents for every piece of property in the state of Texas,
[01:22:38.380 --> 01:22:43.380]  copies of them, are in every county record section.
[01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:47.380]  That doesn't mean that their character as a patent is still valid.
[01:22:47.380 --> 01:22:48.380]  As a matter of record...
[01:22:48.380 --> 01:22:50.380]  Their character as a patent is still valid.
[01:22:50.380 --> 01:22:56.380]  If you want to talk to the GLO, they actually still issue land patents.
[01:22:56.380 --> 01:22:59.380]  Only for respected purposes.
[01:22:59.380 --> 01:23:01.380]  No, sir.
[01:23:01.380 --> 01:23:06.380]  Generally speaking, the only title that anyone has to land in Texas
[01:23:06.380 --> 01:23:11.380]  or any other state are titles in either fee simple or fee tail,
[01:23:11.380 --> 01:23:15.380]  mostly fee simple.
[01:23:15.380 --> 01:23:18.380]  There were originally land patents granted by...
[01:23:18.380 --> 01:23:21.380]  into the original Spanish land grants,
[01:23:21.380 --> 01:23:24.380]  but that only covered parts of Texas.
[01:23:24.380 --> 01:23:29.380]  They are still part of the chain of title if you want to trace things back.
[01:23:29.380 --> 01:23:32.380]  No, sir, I'm not talking about those land patents.
[01:23:32.380 --> 01:23:37.380]  I'm talking about the ones that were signed by the governor and the state of Texas.
[01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:42.380]  Yes, and most of those are no longer valid by statute and by the Constitution.
[01:23:42.380 --> 01:23:44.380]  What statute and where in the Constitution?
[01:23:44.380 --> 01:23:47.380]  I can't find anything that invalidates them.
[01:23:47.380 --> 01:23:56.380]  Well, the concept of patent would essentially mean that it would be a kind of...
[01:23:56.380 --> 01:23:58.380]  Private property?
[01:23:58.380 --> 01:24:01.380]  The thing is, though, is we're not looking at the concept.
[01:24:01.380 --> 01:24:06.380]  You said there's a constitutional prohibition on them and a statutory prohibition.
[01:24:06.380 --> 01:24:07.380]  That I would like to see.
[01:24:07.380 --> 01:24:08.380]  Where is that?
[01:24:08.380 --> 01:24:10.380]  I would love to see that.
[01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:17.380]  The changes that are irrelevant are the ones that made the land taxable.
[01:24:17.380 --> 01:24:24.380]  Now, you can challenge that, but if they were true patents, they wouldn't be taxable.
[01:24:24.380 --> 01:24:25.380]  That's the whole point.
[01:24:25.380 --> 01:24:27.380]  They're not.
[01:24:27.380 --> 01:24:37.380]  But the Constitution, by authorizing the taxation of ad valorem taxation,
[01:24:37.380 --> 01:24:42.380]  essentially revoked their patent status, so their status of patents.
[01:24:42.380 --> 01:24:45.380]  Is there any law or case law on that?
[01:24:45.380 --> 01:24:47.380]  Yeah, plenty.
[01:24:47.380 --> 01:24:50.380]  Where would I find it?
[01:24:50.380 --> 01:24:52.380]  All these challenges have been made.
[01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:54.380]  Some of them carry fairly high.
[01:24:54.380 --> 01:25:01.380]  They've all been struck down and on basically these grounds.
[01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:04.380]  Well, but if they're struck down, then there's no case law.
[01:25:04.380 --> 01:25:07.380]  So what are we using then to say one or the other?
[01:25:07.380 --> 01:25:08.380]  No, no, no.
[01:25:08.380 --> 01:25:15.380]  When they're struck down at the appellate level, it becomes case law.
[01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:20.380]  Are you saying that the land patents were struck down and not deducted?
[01:25:20.380 --> 01:25:22.380]  Well, not as patents.
[01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:28.380]  What was asserted was the power to impose an ad valorem tax,
[01:25:28.380 --> 01:25:42.380]  which has the legal effect of reducing all of the allodial titles to titles in free sample.
[01:25:42.380 --> 01:25:50.380]  Pat, can you address the difference between allodial and free sample?
[01:25:50.380 --> 01:25:54.380]  Well, I'm going to have to go back and do some definition checks,
[01:25:54.380 --> 01:25:58.380]  but there's not a whole lot of difference here.
[01:25:58.380 --> 01:26:00.380]  Well, I can tell you.
[01:26:00.380 --> 01:26:01.380]  All right.
[01:26:01.380 --> 01:26:03.380]  I'm all ears, sir.
[01:26:03.380 --> 01:26:06.380]  The original patents established the allodial title.
[01:26:06.380 --> 01:26:13.380]  In other words, they were grants of land on which taxes did not need to be paid.
[01:26:13.380 --> 01:26:16.380]  But those original patents, if you go all the way back,
[01:26:16.380 --> 01:26:20.380]  there were some later ones, but the original Spanish patents were, of course,
[01:26:20.380 --> 01:26:27.380]  all invalidated by independents, not only of both the Mexico and of Texas.
[01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:28.380]  Wait a minute.
[01:26:28.380 --> 01:26:29.380]  Wait a minute.
[01:26:29.380 --> 01:26:36.380]  I don't remember any reference to invalidating the prior treaties.
[01:26:36.380 --> 01:26:43.380]  Because they were invalidated by superseding provisions allowing for taxation.
[01:26:43.380 --> 01:26:44.380]  Where?
[01:26:44.380 --> 01:26:46.380]  Wait a minute.
[01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:50.380]  The taxation provisions of the state constitution deal with real property
[01:26:50.380 --> 01:26:55.380]  and personal property, which by definition alone in law does not mean private property.
[01:26:55.380 --> 01:26:59.380]  That's commercial corporate owned property, not private ownership of property.
[01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:02.380]  No, that's not true.
[01:27:02.380 --> 01:27:07.380]  In law, there are only two kinds of property, real and personal.
[01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:14.380]  So-called private property is a colloquial term, an ordinary language term.
[01:27:14.380 --> 01:27:22.380]  The only way it's valid is a distinction between titles held by individuals
[01:27:22.380 --> 01:27:28.380]  and titles held by the state or organs of government.
[01:27:28.380 --> 01:27:30.380]  Is this federal or state that you're talking about?
[01:27:30.380 --> 01:27:33.380]  What statute is this?
[01:27:33.380 --> 01:27:43.380]  So this is true of every state and of the federal government in so far as it administers territory,
[01:27:43.380 --> 01:27:47.380]  like the District of Columbia or the territory.
[01:27:47.380 --> 01:27:49.380]  Yeah, but this is in ad valorem Texas.
[01:27:49.380 --> 01:27:51.380]  That's out of the federal realm.
[01:27:51.380 --> 01:27:54.380]  Yeah, that's kind of irrelevant.
[01:27:54.380 --> 01:27:58.380]  What I've seen in the history of the way the property tax in Texas works,
[01:27:58.380 --> 01:28:03.380]  what I'm talking about goes completely against the way it was set up to originally work.
[01:28:03.380 --> 01:28:09.380]  The ad valorem property taxes in Texas only came about when there was a fiscal bill
[01:28:09.380 --> 01:28:12.380]  to be issued where the state needed to get money.
[01:28:12.380 --> 01:28:15.380]  So they would issue bonds for that purpose.
[01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:18.380]  For those that wished to vote positive on the bond,
[01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:23.380]  they had to put up some of their private property for the tax rolls in order to fund the bond.
[01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:28.380]  And for the last term of that bond, that property was to be taxed over that period.
[01:28:28.380 --> 01:28:34.380]  Once that bond's life had expired, the property was to be removed from the tax roll.
[01:28:34.380 --> 01:28:40.380]  It went back to the private sector, not the taxable sector.
[01:28:40.380 --> 01:28:44.380]  Yeah, but that has since changed.
[01:28:44.380 --> 01:28:45.380]  But what changed it?
[01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:50.380]  That's what I want to know, because what you're saying it changed is that it now has made it
[01:28:50.380 --> 01:28:54.380]  where the law now says there was never any such thing as private property,
[01:28:54.380 --> 01:28:58.380]  which that doesn't jive with what the historical facts are.
[01:28:58.380 --> 01:28:59.380]  No, no, no.
[01:28:59.380 --> 01:29:03.380]  None of this has to do with whether there was ever.
[01:29:03.380 --> 01:29:08.380]  What we're talking about is changes in the Constitution and statutes,
[01:29:08.380 --> 01:29:14.380]  which has the effect of changing the character of the property.
[01:29:14.380 --> 01:29:25.380]  You've got a real problem here, and if a land patent was issued before, under a series of statutes,
[01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:35.380]  before the law was changed, that land came out of the jurisdictional area of the state to start with.
[01:29:35.380 --> 01:29:40.380]  And then later you're saying that the law changed, the Constitution changed,
[01:29:40.380 --> 01:29:43.380]  and put it back under the state.
[01:29:43.380 --> 01:29:51.380]  You cannot take back something to the state that the state gave up unless you go to a court.
[01:29:51.380 --> 01:29:53.380]  All right, good point, Pat.
[01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:55.380]  All right, listen, we're going to break.
[01:29:55.380 --> 01:30:00.380]  We'll be right back.
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[01:31:19.380 --> 01:31:36.380]  The wicked come with temptations They're trying to buy the whole place
[01:31:36.380 --> 01:31:47.380]  They want to force new nations Because they've fallen from grace
[01:31:47.380 --> 01:31:57.380]  I will not drink through that cup I just can't act that way
[01:31:57.380 --> 01:32:07.380]  They got this problem they're dreaming of And I won't be the slave come what may
[01:32:07.380 --> 01:32:17.380]  Cause I know you still can't come what you can't become man Because you saved me self from the almighty one
[01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:22.380]  You know child you can't save my man You love me with all my heart and peace and grace man
[01:32:22.380 --> 01:32:27.380]  You love me cause I'm up and I ain't nothing badly But I'm not the other man in the world to come and rule me
[01:32:27.380 --> 01:32:32.380]  You can't tell God man I got the way to be The creative man and me do it equally
[01:32:32.380 --> 01:32:38.380]  It's all for my God and God and we My kind of love and the God is real
[01:32:38.380 --> 01:32:43.380]  It's not for my potential to be a fool But the people of my time man believe in the body
[01:32:43.380 --> 01:32:49.380]  Man you're not the party man you ain't nobody Man you know you're not the starman but this man is me
[01:32:49.380 --> 01:32:54.380]  Be proud of man you love all my things so Get behind time man Satan
[01:32:54.380 --> 01:33:00.380]  You know me not to love myself before love anyone But I said please don't tell them I'm simple
[01:33:00.380 --> 01:33:03.380]  But I'm not the other man in the world to come and rule me
[01:33:03.380 --> 01:33:12.380]  The wicked come with confusion They're trying to keep us in fear
[01:33:12.380 --> 01:33:18.380]  And it ain't gonna work They're trying to sell us solutions
[01:33:18.380 --> 01:33:22.380]  And we ain't buying it I can't live like that here
[01:33:22.380 --> 01:33:25.380]  Not gonna live like that here Not gonna live like that anymore
[01:33:25.380 --> 01:33:30.380]  Okay we got our own solutions we are reading the law ourselves
[01:33:30.380 --> 01:33:36.380]  We are coming up with a remedy and we're not just winging it and making it up as we go along either
[01:33:36.380 --> 01:33:42.380]  We are sticking to the statute and the code and the black letter law and case law
[01:33:42.380 --> 01:33:46.380]  And we are having success in the courts we are actually doing this
[01:33:46.380 --> 01:33:50.380]  We're working in the legislature too so we ain't just winging it here
[01:33:50.380 --> 01:33:53.380]  So Pat go ahead you were finishing up on something
[01:33:53.380 --> 01:33:56.380]  And you're welcome to stay on the line and help us take other calls
[01:33:56.380 --> 01:34:04.380]  Yeah well the land patent and I've already talked to the land patent attorney at the G.L.O. in Austin
[01:34:04.380 --> 01:34:08.380]  And he's the one that directed me towards several different things
[01:34:08.380 --> 01:34:13.380]  And even their own website talks about selling sovereign land
[01:34:13.380 --> 01:34:19.380]  The state still sells land as sovereign land with patents they're signed
[01:34:19.380 --> 01:34:26.380]  And to get them signed properly there's a bill that has to go before the state legislature and everything else
[01:34:26.380 --> 01:34:30.380]  And gets voted on it's a complicated process
[01:34:30.380 --> 01:34:36.380]  But even that young man and his phone number is listed on the site
[01:34:36.380 --> 01:34:39.380]  Because I don't remember it off the top of my head
[01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:43.380]  Said that once it passes out of the state hands once they issue that patent
[01:34:43.380 --> 01:34:49.380]  And it doesn't make any difference if it's one issued today or it was issued 100 or 150 years ago
[01:34:49.380 --> 01:34:54.380]  It leaves the state hands the state cannot take it back
[01:34:54.380 --> 01:35:02.380]  Unless the owner of it wants to sell it back to them or they go to court for some other reason
[01:35:02.380 --> 01:35:09.380]  And there's no state jurisdiction you know on private property
[01:35:09.380 --> 01:35:14.380]  That's why police officers cannot issue traffic tickets on private property
[01:35:14.380 --> 01:35:18.380]  They can't come in and molest people on private property and things of this nature
[01:35:18.380 --> 01:35:27.380]  It is private and yeah there's real property, there's private property
[01:35:27.380 --> 01:35:34.380]  And then there's business property and ad valorem taxes just like Randy and Eddie and you Deborah
[01:35:34.380 --> 01:35:38.380]  All understand it the same way I do and so do a lot of judges out there
[01:35:38.380 --> 01:35:45.380]  So my questions are kind of simple and straightforward
[01:35:45.380 --> 01:35:53.380]  I think Mr. Rowlands answered my question as best he can and I appreciate his frankness
[01:35:53.380 --> 01:36:03.380]  If there's anything else, if anybody has any questions for me I'll take them
[01:36:03.380 --> 01:36:08.380]  But I just wanted to let you guys all know that Metta is running for state senate
[01:36:08.380 --> 01:36:13.380]  When is she coming on the show?
[01:36:13.380 --> 01:36:19.380]  Well I'm hoping to get her back into San Antonio the beginning of next month
[01:36:19.380 --> 01:36:26.380]  And maybe she can come up to Austin on a Friday night or something and be there in the studio with you
[01:36:26.380 --> 01:36:31.380]  Well we don't really have a studio, we're all like in our own homes
[01:36:31.380 --> 01:36:37.380]  It's not really a studio, it's like everything's on like coloed servers like in various places
[01:36:37.380 --> 01:36:41.380]  Yeah she can get a good Skype connection, we can do her
[01:36:41.380 --> 01:36:48.380]  Well she'd be working off of, well if she was in San Antonio she'd be on a BYP phone anyway
[01:36:48.380 --> 01:36:50.380]  So it wouldn't be a problem
[01:36:50.380 --> 01:36:55.380]  Maybe you could get her up on the tower with a safety belt and hang her up there
[01:36:55.380 --> 01:36:58.380]  I was trying to get her up here tonight, talk to y'all
[01:36:58.380 --> 01:37:05.380]  There's a lot of issues, we're reading, she and I both are reading
[01:37:05.380 --> 01:37:09.380]  Being both the libertarian party members as well
[01:37:09.380 --> 01:37:18.380]  Reading all the libertarian stuff and the state code and dealing with local government
[01:37:18.380 --> 01:37:28.380]  And there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense because it's all conflicting the way it's written
[01:37:28.380 --> 01:37:38.380]  And the deeper you delve into it the more you can tell some drunken attorney on a drunken donkey wrote this stuff
[01:37:38.380 --> 01:37:43.380]  And I'm not sure if they had the pen in hand, the attorney of a donkey
[01:37:43.380 --> 01:37:53.380]  But I had a little discussion this afternoon with our county clerk
[01:37:53.380 --> 01:38:01.380]  And I had to explain to her that the libertarian party doesn't do primary like the two major parties do
[01:38:01.380 --> 01:38:07.380]  And we are, the libertarian party is a recognized third party throughout the entire United States
[01:38:07.380 --> 01:38:15.380]  And we have county conventions, district conventions, and the state convention
[01:38:15.380 --> 01:38:18.380]  It's more like a caucus when you get to that point
[01:38:18.380 --> 01:38:27.380]  And we nominate and vote on the people that get on to the ballot then for that election year
[01:38:27.380 --> 01:38:37.380]  And what is unusual is out here we have very, very few people in the whole county
[01:38:37.380 --> 01:38:41.380]  And only 316 registered voters in the whole county
[01:38:41.380 --> 01:38:47.380]  And the county is twice the size of Bexar County, which is considerably larger than Travis County
[01:38:47.380 --> 01:38:53.380]  So you can imagine the distances you have to cover to go bang on doors to meet people
[01:38:53.380 --> 01:38:57.380]  But we all kind of know each other anyway
[01:38:57.380 --> 01:39:02.380]  And our little thing is going to have hot dogs and hamburgers and everything
[01:39:02.380 --> 01:39:07.380]  And if you all want to come out and sit around and meet and greet and talk to people
[01:39:07.380 --> 01:39:14.380]  It will be on the 13th of March, right downtown Sanderson, and it's open to everybody
[01:39:14.380 --> 01:39:16.380]  I'll be there
[01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:20.380]  It sounds like, Pat, that's somewhere within 100 feet of each other all the time, right?
[01:39:20.380 --> 01:39:27.380]  Well, let's put it this way, my closest neighbor is three miles
[01:39:27.380 --> 01:39:33.380]  But I can see his house lights from here up on this tower anyway
[01:39:33.380 --> 01:39:41.380]  But most of the people know each other, and everybody is a fiscal conservative out here
[01:39:41.380 --> 01:39:47.380]  You have to be, and as things start deteriorating with the economy
[01:39:47.380 --> 01:39:52.380]  I think everybody is going to become a great deal more fiscally conservative
[01:39:52.380 --> 01:40:01.380]  And we're going to be looking for different alternative answers to the status quo
[01:40:01.380 --> 01:40:05.380]  And getting the incumbents all out is the start
[01:40:05.380 --> 01:40:09.380]  Taking the government back and putting it back where it needs to belong
[01:40:09.380 --> 01:40:17.380]  And I wouldn't mind seeing the original Constitution coming back for the state, the one we had under the republic
[01:40:17.380 --> 01:40:19.380]  Yeah, 1836, let's do it
[01:40:19.380 --> 01:40:25.380]  Yeah, sir, yeah, sir, I got a nice copy of it, and it reads real well
[01:40:25.380 --> 01:40:35.380]  And I think I've heard several good things from Mr. Rowland about teaching legal stuff in schools and things
[01:40:35.380 --> 01:40:46.380]  I think that's a good idea, but Dr. Graves, over at Jurisdictionary, has been espousing that for the last 15 years
[01:40:46.380 --> 01:40:51.380]  And if anybody wants to listen to him, please call him, talk to him
[01:40:51.380 --> 01:40:59.380]  I had a long discussion with him a couple weeks ago about that very subject, about getting it into the school curriculum
[01:40:59.380 --> 01:41:10.380]  And at least getting the Jurisdictionary program in the junior and senior years of all the high schools
[01:41:10.380 --> 01:41:15.380]  His show is on this network on Monday evenings, 6 to 8 p.m. Central Time
[01:41:15.380 --> 01:41:19.380]  He's got a great show, people, you can call in and talk to Frederick Graves
[01:41:19.380 --> 01:41:21.380]  He's wonderful
[01:41:21.380 --> 01:41:22.380]  He's a wonderful man
[01:41:22.380 --> 01:41:26.380]  A lot of good information, I love the statutory remedies
[01:41:26.380 --> 01:41:33.380]  He straight up teaches procedure, courtroom procedure, what you need to do
[01:41:33.380 --> 01:41:38.380]  So that you just don't go in there and not know what to do, you know
[01:41:38.380 --> 01:41:42.380]  I mean, you have to follow certain procedure, and it works
[01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:52.380]  Well, it's like if you want to get on the dance floor and dance a wall, you're not going to do it until a fox drops
[01:41:52.380 --> 01:41:57.380]  You got to know what you're doing, so it doesn't hurt
[01:41:57.380 --> 01:42:02.380]  And I've said this many times in the past, I think what you guys are doing is great
[01:42:02.380 --> 01:42:10.380]  And I know sometimes it sounds like people get a little hot under the collar, they're not really
[01:42:10.380 --> 01:42:14.380]  It's just different points of perspective for the same subject
[01:42:14.380 --> 01:42:19.380]  That's what I told the fine young folks that we just filed on
[01:42:19.380 --> 01:42:23.380]  Eddie, thanks for the tips
[01:42:23.380 --> 01:42:25.380]  The letters went out
[01:42:25.380 --> 01:42:28.380]  We've got to follow up with some other stuff
[01:42:28.380 --> 01:42:34.380]  And the sheriff today wouldn't even look me in the eye
[01:42:34.380 --> 01:42:37.380]  Yeah, which tip are you referring to?
[01:42:37.380 --> 01:42:46.380]  All the ones about that little incident here a couple weeks ago that we forwarded over to you and back
[01:42:46.380 --> 01:42:49.380]  Just remember everybody
[01:42:49.380 --> 01:42:51.380]  Oh, wait a minute, you're that Pat?
[01:42:51.380 --> 01:42:52.380]  Yeah
[01:42:52.380 --> 01:42:56.380]  I didn't know we were talking on the same one all the time
[01:42:56.380 --> 01:42:59.380]  I'm sorry, I didn't make that connection, but you're welcome
[01:42:59.380 --> 01:43:03.380]  Yeah, that's not a problem, Eddie
[01:43:03.380 --> 01:43:09.380]  Just remember one thing, federal boys are limited in their jurisdiction
[01:43:09.380 --> 01:43:12.380]  Absolutely
[01:43:12.380 --> 01:43:24.380]  And what you and Randy and Debra have been saying about the Constitution being limiting documents is 110% there
[01:43:24.380 --> 01:43:32.380]  And some people have been changing their tones of voice when I come into offices these days
[01:43:32.380 --> 01:43:34.380]  So it's interesting
[01:43:34.380 --> 01:43:37.380]  I'm going to drop off, you guys carry on, and we'll be listening
[01:43:37.380 --> 01:43:38.380]  All right, thanks
[01:43:38.380 --> 01:43:41.380]  Don't drop too far to the ground now
[01:43:41.380 --> 01:43:43.380]  It's only 25 feet
[01:43:43.380 --> 01:43:45.380]  Well, land on your feet
[01:43:45.380 --> 01:43:46.380]  Bye
[01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:47.380]  All right, thanks Pat
[01:43:47.380 --> 01:43:50.380]  Pat in West Texas up on the water tower calling in
[01:43:50.380 --> 01:43:52.380]  What a trooper, him and his wife Metta
[01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:57.380]  We will be back taking more of your calls right on the other side of the rule of law
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[01:46:00.380 --> 01:46:06.380]  Alright, as we so, so shall we reap
[01:46:06.380 --> 01:46:09.380]  We are speaking with the real deal
[01:46:09.380 --> 01:46:13.380]  Dan, real, from Connecticut, Dan, thanks for calling in
[01:46:13.380 --> 01:46:15.380]  What's the good word, my friend?
[01:46:15.380 --> 01:46:17.380]  The good word is I'm out for blood
[01:46:17.380 --> 01:46:18.380]  Uh oh
[01:46:18.380 --> 01:46:20.380]  Specifically, my son's blood
[01:46:20.380 --> 01:46:21.380]  Okay
[01:46:21.380 --> 01:46:26.380]  I know that probably sounds strange, but I figured that was an awesome lead-in and I would use it
[01:46:26.380 --> 01:46:33.380]  In any case, you guys have probably heard about a federally funded DNA collection program, right?
[01:46:33.380 --> 01:46:38.380]  Yes, we have it in Chapter 411 of the Texas Government Code
[01:46:38.380 --> 01:46:46.380]  Yes, I actually found Connecticut's and I was trying to be very astute when my son was born
[01:46:46.380 --> 01:46:49.380]  But apparently I dropped the ball on that
[01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:58.380]  Now basically what they said at the hospital was they were just, you know, collecting, you know, samples to make sure he didn't have any birth defect
[01:46:58.380 --> 01:47:06.380]  Little did I know that information was actually being shared with not only the state of Connecticut, but researchers without my permission
[01:47:06.380 --> 01:47:12.380]  Well, how many people have you got on crucifix at the moment for it?
[01:47:12.380 --> 01:47:19.380]  Not many yet, I just found out yesterday and that's when I sent the tort letter
[01:47:19.380 --> 01:47:21.380]  But basically it works like this
[01:47:21.380 --> 01:47:28.380]  Connecticut General Statute 19A-55 establishes that this information will be collected
[01:47:28.380 --> 01:47:36.380]  Now when I started getting offended was when I read 19A-55B and that covers religious exemption
[01:47:36.380 --> 01:47:45.380]  Now if you have a religious exemption to this, I mean, I didn't obviously, but the fact that I wasn't asked, that kind of irritated me slightly
[01:47:45.380 --> 01:47:50.380]  So I kind of mentioned that in the tort letter and I just, you know, went a little further
[01:47:50.380 --> 01:47:59.380]  But it turns out that Section 19A-56A basically establishes what's called the Birth Defect Surveillance Program
[01:47:59.380 --> 01:48:07.380]  Now basically what they're doing here is they're collecting everyone's data and they don't really tell you about it unless your child is affected
[01:48:07.380 --> 01:48:12.380]  Now obviously we haven't been contacted so he must be fine
[01:48:12.380 --> 01:48:25.380]  So the problem that I have is when I go to 19A-56B and that specifically says that, you know, they're giving this data to different research institutions
[01:48:25.380 --> 01:48:33.380]  So essentially what I asked for in this tort letter was A, hand over all copies of records you have
[01:48:33.380 --> 01:48:38.380]  B, tell me who accessed it and when and for what purpose
[01:48:38.380 --> 01:48:45.380]  And C, I basically said destroy all the records that you have after you provide those copies
[01:48:45.380 --> 01:48:52.380]  And how are you going to prove that they actually did this? God knows where this all went and who has it?
[01:48:52.380 --> 01:48:59.380]  Well, I'm going to look forward to their response, you know, and their response is going to tell me a lot
[01:48:59.380 --> 01:49:02.380]  But here's what I can tell you that I was thinking about doing
[01:49:02.380 --> 01:49:08.380]  Sounds like Randy's really mad about it. I hear him banging around over there
[01:49:08.380 --> 01:49:12.380]  It's muted
[01:49:12.380 --> 01:49:15.380]  But I had a creative idea about this, actually several
[01:49:15.380 --> 01:49:20.380]  One is I don't know how familiar you guys are with what Dave Merland has done
[01:49:20.380 --> 01:49:23.380]  He's kind of done this trick when people's cars have been seized
[01:49:23.380 --> 01:49:30.380]  But basically I was going to do sort of the same thing, namely I was going to assign this data of value
[01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:36.380]  And basically the state, you know, when I went to sue them would be renting this data for my son
[01:49:36.380 --> 01:49:39.380]  And of course if they kept it and they were maintaining it
[01:49:39.380 --> 01:49:44.380]  They would basically deposit it in an escrow account and pay him when he turned 18
[01:49:44.380 --> 01:49:50.380]  Would you be a very interesting idea seeing as they really never actually had permission to go get this?
[01:49:50.380 --> 01:49:52.380]  I mean, no matter how they want to spin it
[01:49:52.380 --> 01:49:55.380]  I mean, after all, they didn't even ask if we had a religious exemption
[01:49:55.380 --> 01:49:57.380]  They just, you know, kind of
[01:49:57.380 --> 01:50:00.380]  They took it without your knowledge. Wait a minute, wait a minute
[01:50:00.380 --> 01:50:04.380]  Why do you need to make excuses like a religious exemption?
[01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:06.380]  This is, this is a human
[01:50:06.380 --> 01:50:09.380]  They never even told me that they were doing this for research
[01:50:09.380 --> 01:50:10.380]  No
[01:50:10.380 --> 01:50:14.380]  It was represented that they were just checking for birth defects
[01:50:14.380 --> 01:50:16.380]  And did you agree to this?
[01:50:16.380 --> 01:50:20.380]  Okay, well that's stealing, identifying information under false pretenses
[01:50:20.380 --> 01:50:26.380]  And did you agree to this ahead of time or did they just inform you after the fact?
[01:50:26.380 --> 01:50:30.380]  They basically said they were just screening, you know, and basically they were just checking
[01:50:30.380 --> 01:50:34.380]  They did not say this information would be shared with anybody
[01:50:34.380 --> 01:50:36.380]  But did they tell you ahead of time?
[01:50:36.380 --> 01:50:38.380]  They told me they were screening
[01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:44.380]  They did not say we're going to give this research to everyone, you know, on the face of the planet
[01:50:44.380 --> 01:50:48.380]  You know, so of course I'm like, well, it's going to make things healthy, obviously
[01:50:48.380 --> 01:50:49.380]  Sue the hospital
[01:50:49.380 --> 01:50:51.380]  Sue the hospital
[01:50:51.380 --> 01:50:55.380]  Yeah, anyway, speaking of the hospital, this goes into the second thing
[01:50:55.380 --> 01:50:58.380]  You guys have heard of the HIPAA Act, right?
[01:50:58.380 --> 01:50:59.380]  Yeah
[01:50:59.380 --> 01:51:05.380]  Yeah, that's really fun because you don't get to do that kind of stuff under HIPAA
[01:51:05.380 --> 01:51:10.380]  You have to disclose where the information is going, which the hospital didn't and the state of Connecticut certainly didn't
[01:51:10.380 --> 01:51:14.380]  That's what I was saying, Sue, under HIPAA, actually it's a crime too
[01:51:14.380 --> 01:51:21.380]  Yeah, well actually you've got, from what it sounds like, if you guys have a Theft of Personal Identifying Information Act of any kind up there
[01:51:21.380 --> 01:51:26.380]  Then you've got multiple causes of action against these guys, all of it criminal
[01:51:26.380 --> 01:51:27.380]  And medical records
[01:51:27.380 --> 01:51:28.380]  We got a big one here in Texas
[01:51:28.380 --> 01:51:30.380]  And medical records too
[01:51:30.380 --> 01:51:36.380]  Yeah, it's a felony to take biometric data without the owner's permission
[01:51:36.380 --> 01:51:45.380]  Well, you guys got a program down there in Texas to do that, so I'll see what I can do, dig around, see if I can't find, you know, some parents down there
[01:51:45.380 --> 01:51:56.380]  But I know in Connecticut that's going to be my next step, you know, because I just figured out, you know, I just figured out that maybe I should check into this like yesterday
[01:51:56.380 --> 01:52:00.380]  And that's when I figured, okay, well this is going on, I should send a tort letter
[01:52:00.380 --> 01:52:08.380]  And then basically my next step is to contact parents who are, you know, kind of aware of this type of thing and we're going to go from there
[01:52:08.380 --> 01:52:12.380]  Good for you
[01:52:12.380 --> 01:52:15.380]  Good for me
[01:52:15.380 --> 01:52:16.380]  You are such a troublemaker
[01:52:16.380 --> 01:52:25.380]  Oh yes, yes, basically the whole idea here is, you know, I'm either going to get them to destroy the information or I'm basically going to get them to fight with HIPAA
[01:52:25.380 --> 01:52:31.380]  And of course this is a federally funded program, so you can imagine what kind of trouble this will cause
[01:52:31.380 --> 01:52:35.380]  Yeah, that's like Randy's plan on getting the postal inspectors on the district attorney
[01:52:35.380 --> 01:52:38.380]  Oh yes, and it will be great fun
[01:52:38.380 --> 01:52:43.380]  Because I know they acknowledged the receipt of it because I'm going to send a hard copy of the tort letter out
[01:52:43.380 --> 01:52:52.380]  But I did send one electronically to the point of contact for this program, you know, and he did send back a read receipt
[01:52:52.380 --> 01:52:53.380]  Cool
[01:52:53.380 --> 01:53:00.380]  So everything's saved, it looks like we're going to go forward on this and we'll see what turns up
[01:53:00.380 --> 01:53:08.380]  But I figured the best, you know, step would be to basically, you know, just put out, look, you know, you stole this data
[01:53:08.380 --> 01:53:24.380]  I mean I'm not even really making, you know, any claim at this point aside from, you know, you have an obligation to return copies of, you know, what data you have, who accessed it, and you have an obligation to destroy it
[01:53:24.380 --> 01:53:25.380]  True enough
[01:53:25.380 --> 01:53:36.380]  But yeah, I'm going to see what, you know, they turn up and, you know, eventually stay, but I also sent it to a legislative aide that I know, so he's aware now
[01:53:36.380 --> 01:53:39.380]  Very good
[01:53:39.380 --> 01:53:42.380]  Go after them
[01:53:42.380 --> 01:53:49.380]  But yeah, I was actually wondering if you guys had any other ideas on that
[01:53:49.380 --> 01:53:55.380]  Besides, well, my idea would always be make them rue the day they were born over that kind of thing
[01:53:55.380 --> 01:54:03.380]  I can agree with that
[01:54:03.380 --> 01:54:11.380]  But as far as other suggestions, I'd definitely look for that theft of Identifying Information Act, which I'm sure your state's got one
[01:54:11.380 --> 01:54:12.380]  Wow
[01:54:12.380 --> 01:54:15.380]  I call it we're just really jacking up
[01:54:15.380 --> 01:54:17.380]  See what you do every time you call Dan
[01:54:17.380 --> 01:54:18.380]  Yeah, really
[01:54:18.380 --> 01:54:20.380]  Oh, it's a great thing
[01:54:20.380 --> 01:54:27.380]  I know I've been raising a lot of trouble lately and, you know, that's just been happening to the website too, so I don't know what to tell you
[01:54:27.380 --> 01:54:29.380]  All right, well, thanks, Dan
[01:54:29.380 --> 01:54:38.380]  Yeah, I'll let you get to those other callers, but if you guys can think of anything, let me know and any opportunity to have fun, I will not pass up
[01:54:38.380 --> 01:54:42.380]  Wonderful
[01:54:42.380 --> 01:54:44.380]  Okay, have a good night, Dan
[01:54:44.380 --> 01:54:45.380]  You too, bye
[01:54:45.380 --> 01:54:53.380]  Okay, we're going to our next caller. This would be Joyce in New Jersey. Joyce, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:54:53.380 --> 01:55:03.380]  Hi, I wanted to, you guys are maybe still familiar with the case I'm fighting in New Jersey, a couple cases
[01:55:03.380 --> 01:55:13.380]  Actually, they're intertwined, but I wanted to go back to what you were talking about as far as the grand juries and being able to access them
[01:55:13.380 --> 01:55:22.380]  They're blocked by court rules here in New Jersey. Prosecutors alone are allowed to access the grand juries
[01:55:22.380 --> 01:55:32.380]  Unless you file something onto the record, specifically address it to the grand jury and then hope that they get it and it's entertained
[01:55:32.380 --> 01:55:47.380]  I filed notice of filing criminal charges today in my case against the clerk for a whole host of crimes
[01:55:47.380 --> 01:56:00.380]  But also against the county and state bar associations for racketeering and I wanted to give you a list of crimes and I'm sure I missed some
[01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:17.380]  Because they are a private corporation operating a for-profit business and they are prejudiced to first aid litigants
[01:56:17.380 --> 01:56:26.380]  I also filed an affidavit of prejudice. I titled my criminal complaint affidavit of prejudice
[01:56:26.380 --> 01:56:37.380]  Okay, but wait a minute, hold on, this brings up something I want to ask Randy about regarding the commercial nature of corporations and how they function
[01:56:37.380 --> 01:56:43.380]  Like you just said, you were talking about them being private corporations
[01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:46.380]  And they're not registered with the Secretary of State
[01:56:46.380 --> 01:56:59.380]  And then them being biased against pro se litigants regarding the proceedings and so now we have two different issues here
[01:56:59.380 --> 01:57:10.380]  First you talk about the courts in their commercial capacity and now we're joining in their constitutional statutory function
[01:57:10.380 --> 01:57:20.380]  And so what I want to know is how do we bring that together because I don't see how we can deal with
[01:57:20.380 --> 01:57:28.380]  Like if the judges are going to break law, statutory law or if the judges are going to violate their oath of office or something like that
[01:57:28.380 --> 01:57:37.380]  You're dealing in the constitutional statutory function of the court and then if you look at them as a commercial animal
[01:57:37.380 --> 01:57:47.380]  I don't see how we can bring the constitutional statutory in with that. This is what I want to know
[01:57:47.380 --> 01:57:52.380]  How can we deal with them together in that manner? You see what I'm saying?
[01:57:52.380 --> 01:57:57.380]  They're in business for themselves. The judiciary is incorporated
[01:57:57.380 --> 01:58:01.380]  So then we have to deal with them in the commercial realm and not
[01:58:01.380 --> 01:58:07.380]  You see if we're going to deal with them, I want to ask Rennie about this, if we're going to deal with them in the commercial realm
[01:58:07.380 --> 01:58:14.380]  I don't see how we can bring in arguments regarding their statutory function
[01:58:14.380 --> 01:58:17.380]  I can address that on the other side
[01:58:17.380 --> 01:58:26.380]  Because if they're breaking financial law or if they're violating UCC code then we go after them as a commercial entity
[01:58:26.380 --> 01:58:31.380]  I don't see how we can... Do you see what I'm saying?
[01:58:31.380 --> 01:58:36.380]  We're going to break. We'll be right back on the other side
[01:58:36.380 --> 01:58:59.380]  This is a rule of law
[01:58:59.380 --> 01:59:06.380]  Our right to bear arms is under attack here in Austin. Police Chief Acevedo and his goons need to know
[01:59:06.380 --> 01:59:12.380]  We will not allow them to strong arm private businesses, gun show promoters and vendors
[01:59:12.380 --> 01:59:16.380]  Run corrupt sting operations to intimidate legal gun sellers
[01:59:16.380 --> 01:59:20.380]  And cut off public access to purchasing firearms in Austin
[01:59:20.380 --> 01:59:23.380]  City Council needs to hold him accountable
[01:59:23.380 --> 01:59:28.380]  This is it people, it is starting and we the people are the only ones who are going to do anything about it
[01:59:28.380 --> 01:59:35.380]  If you don't live in Austin and don't help us stop this here, believe it when we say it's coming to attack the city near you
[01:59:35.380 --> 01:59:41.380]  Monday, January 25th from 5 to 7 p.m. in front of the Austin Police Department
[01:59:41.380 --> 01:59:44.380]  Show up, 715 East 8th Street
[01:59:44.380 --> 01:59:46.380]  Come early, park down the street and walk
[01:59:46.380 --> 01:59:49.380]  Wear your gun holsters on your hip and shoulder
[01:59:49.380 --> 01:59:52.380]  But instead of a weapon, put the Constitution in it
[01:59:52.380 --> 01:59:55.380]  Bring your friends, your voice and your sign
[01:59:55.380 --> 01:59:59.380]  City Council needs to hold him accountable