ROL_2009-11-13_16k_Hr3-4.timecode

[00:10.540 --> 00:14.060]  city which has the country's highest murder rate.
[00:14.060 --> 00:20.680]  6,476 people have been killed in Mexico this year because of drug violence.
[00:20.680 --> 00:25.160]  The health care reform bill recently passed by the House of Representatives requires people
[00:25.160 --> 00:31.480]  to purchase a government-approved plan or face a penalty of up to 2.5% of your income
[00:31.480 --> 00:35.680]  if you fail to maintain acceptable health insurance coverage.
[00:35.680 --> 00:42.320]  Refusal to pay the penalty is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and or imprisonment
[00:42.320 --> 00:44.600]  for up to five years.
[00:44.600 --> 00:50.640]  A former US ambassador was forced to defend himself Thursday against accusations he used
[00:50.640 --> 00:53.600]  his influence in Iraq to enrich himself.
[00:53.600 --> 01:00.960]  Peter Galbraith struck a lucrative oil deal in Iraqi Kurdistan that could earn him $100
[01:00.960 --> 01:02.420]  million.
[01:02.420 --> 01:08.560]  The website Infowars reports local newspapers in Kiev, Ukraine received a flood of phone
[01:08.560 --> 01:15.200]  calls October 30th from people reporting low-flying aircraft spraying an unknown substance
[01:15.200 --> 01:18.520]  over Lviv, Tonopil and other cities.
[01:18.520 --> 01:24.520]  Three days earlier, the Ukrainian media reported an unknown flu had killed seven people in
[01:24.520 --> 01:25.520]  Tonopil.
[01:25.520 --> 01:31.880]  Over one million people in Ukraine have contracted flu-like illness, double the number of confirmed
[01:31.880 --> 01:36.440]  H1N1 cases in the rest of the world combined.
[01:36.440 --> 01:39.300]  One hundred and fifty-five people have died.
[01:39.300 --> 01:45.320]  On October 29th, a report from Ukraine describing the deaths of six young people said the cause
[01:45.320 --> 01:49.480]  of death was a severe hemorrhagic pneumonia.
[01:49.480 --> 01:54.240]  Unconfirmed reports from bloggers in western Ukraine said doctors were seeing this as a
[01:54.240 --> 02:00.080]  new form of flu that kills much faster than the H1N1 virus.
[02:00.080 --> 02:04.120]  Ukrainian and Russian media say the outbreak is pneumonic plague.
[02:04.120 --> 02:14.080]  Incredibly, this news has received minimal coverage in the western media.
[02:14.080 --> 02:19.000]  Foreign prosecutors took steps Thursday to seize four U.S. mosques and a Fifth Avenue
[02:19.000 --> 02:25.480]  skyscraper owned by a non-profit Muslim organization suspected of being controlled by the Iranian
[02:25.480 --> 02:27.040]  government.
[02:27.040 --> 02:32.520]  Prosecutors filed a civil complaint in federal court against the Alavi Foundation, seeking
[02:32.520 --> 02:35.760]  to forfeit $500 million in assets.
[02:35.760 --> 02:40.960]  Confiscating the properties would be a sharp blow against Iran, which the U.S. is accused
[02:40.960 --> 02:45.960]  of bankrolling terrorism and trying to build a nuclear bomb.
[02:45.960 --> 02:50.920]  Seizing a house of worship is a step fraught with questions about the First Amendment right
[02:50.920 --> 02:52.860]  to freedom of religion.
[02:52.860 --> 02:58.080]  The action against Shiite Muslim mosques is sure to inflame relations between the government
[02:58.080 --> 03:20.880]  and American Muslims.
[03:28.080 --> 03:44.200]  Well, I received my remedy today, came in a box just like they say, I accepted it for
[03:44.200 --> 03:50.440]  value right away, if not sooner, not later.
[03:50.440 --> 03:58.840]  We are originators, and the pathway seems to get straighter every day, and I can take
[03:58.840 --> 04:08.240]  anything that belongs to me and put it to good use, but I was good for the gander, gonna
[04:08.240 --> 04:12.240]  work for the goose.
[04:12.240 --> 04:19.640]  I know some architects, I know some engineers.
[04:19.640 --> 04:25.080]  Okay, we're back with Eric Madsen from Team Law, and we are now going to get into the
[04:25.080 --> 04:30.600]  property tax issue and dealing with the assignments, so please continue, Eric.
[04:30.600 --> 04:37.760]  So again, now that we've established that when you acquire a land is done by grant,
[04:37.760 --> 04:44.040]  and when it is granted to you in a patent, it's granted not just to you, but to you and
[04:44.040 --> 04:47.880]  to everyone to whom it may ever come thereafter.
[04:47.880 --> 04:53.320]  So when you are granting it to someone else in a deed where it says grants, bargains,
[04:53.320 --> 04:58.760]  sells, and conveys, all you're doing is adding them to the chain of assignment.
[04:58.760 --> 05:03.600]  Your right to the land does not leave, and the reason why that is so important when you're
[05:03.600 --> 05:09.440]  dealing with a fee-simple title is when you look at the warranty deed, and the warranty
[05:09.440 --> 05:15.920]  deed says that not only are we going to grant, bargain, sell, and convey this land to this
[05:15.920 --> 05:21.800]  person who is named and to their heirs and assigns forever, but we're going to warrant
[05:21.800 --> 05:31.320]  that we have full title to do this and guarantee, and not just us guarantee, but our heirs and
[05:31.320 --> 05:39.040]  assigns forever will stand up and defend your rights to this land and property pertinent
[05:39.040 --> 05:40.040]  to it.
[05:40.040 --> 05:49.720]  Now, how can anybody ever write a contract that controls someone that does not yet even
[05:49.720 --> 05:55.840]  exist and or someone who is not signing on the contract?
[05:55.840 --> 05:59.540]  And that's where the land ownership issue comes in when dealing with these fee-simple
[05:59.540 --> 06:06.640]  titles, because what happens is because you own that land right, now what have you done?
[06:06.640 --> 06:13.680]  And the property right is a right in concert, held in concert with that land right, and
[06:13.680 --> 06:18.360]  the property changes hands according to the terms and conditions of the price of the sale
[06:18.360 --> 06:24.560]  or the bargain of the conveyance, but the land ownership adds new assigns and new heirs
[06:24.560 --> 06:25.560]  to it.
[06:25.560 --> 06:32.600]  So how do you control the warrant on the warranty to pass that on to your heirs and assigns
[06:32.600 --> 06:38.520]  forever, and the answer is, because that's written in the warranty deed, now when this
[06:38.520 --> 06:45.680]  property is sold to someone else who also is granted that land, and there's a dispute
[06:45.680 --> 06:52.520]  comes up, and the person that granted the land no longer exists, he was there a hundred
[06:52.520 --> 06:55.920]  years ago and now we've gotten down through some grandchildren, and here's somebody who
[06:55.920 --> 07:02.000]  has a right to the land from the past, it's listed there, it shows this right, his grandfather
[07:02.000 --> 07:05.840]  owned this land, it goes to the heirs and assigns forever, he can clearly demonstrate
[07:05.840 --> 07:10.440]  he's an inherent heir, he's the one that inherited all the physical properties and everything
[07:10.440 --> 07:15.080]  else, he's the one that would inherit that land, and now he wants to come and take that
[07:15.080 --> 07:21.840]  title to that land, because he can't, he doesn't want to recognize your interest in the land
[07:21.840 --> 07:25.720]  and property, and you've got a chain of deeds that comes and brings it to you.
[07:25.720 --> 07:27.600]  Who's the one that's right?
[07:27.600 --> 07:35.000]  Well when you go into court, that warranty from the grandfather says that the only right
[07:35.000 --> 07:40.920]  you have to execute against that land and property is your right to stand up in court
[07:40.920 --> 07:49.560]  and say, yes, those documents prove that you are in full right and title and interest in
[07:49.560 --> 07:55.280]  that land, so when he stands up to say something contrary to that, and the chain of documents
[07:55.280 --> 08:00.720]  says that, then the written document with the signature on that warranty will stand
[08:00.720 --> 08:07.560]  and speak louder than your parole voice can speak, and that signatory on that warrant
[08:07.560 --> 08:13.880]  will compel that the only part of that person's testimony that is acceptable for the court
[08:13.880 --> 08:21.920]  to be able to use as evidence is that part that says, I'm an inherent heir of this person,
[08:21.920 --> 08:26.960]  and they acquired the title to the land by this chain of documents, and we're here to
[08:26.960 --> 08:28.920]  defend that title.
[08:28.920 --> 08:31.840]  Even though their words might be something different, the mere fact that they stand and
[08:31.840 --> 08:35.160]  say that, the warranty says, that's what it means.
[08:35.160 --> 08:40.800]  And so, when they want to stand and say something about their land rights, their land rights
[08:40.800 --> 08:46.960]  are bound with the land rights of that grandfather who said, I warrant that our entire chain
[08:46.960 --> 08:54.280]  hereafter will stand up for your rights to that, does that make sense?
[08:54.280 --> 08:55.280]  Yes it does.
[08:55.280 --> 09:04.560]  Yeah, it's essentially, you enter into a contract that those who inherit the patent inherit
[09:04.560 --> 09:06.280]  the contract as well.
[09:06.280 --> 09:14.280]  Well, only because they inherit the land right, and the land right has already spoken.
[09:14.280 --> 09:18.560]  So when the land right has already spoken, if they want to stand up and say, this is
[09:18.560 --> 09:25.720]  my land, that right which they have to that land speaks for the inherent property owner's
[09:25.720 --> 09:26.760]  land right.
[09:26.760 --> 09:32.560]  Now notice that the inherent heir can't prove the property right, because the chain of deeds
[09:32.560 --> 09:36.960]  proves that was sold from grandfather.
[09:36.960 --> 09:42.800]  So his land right is the only thing they can stand, because the documents prove the property
[09:42.800 --> 09:47.720]  right, the documents prove the warranty, and therefore when the person stands to raise
[09:47.720 --> 09:53.160]  the contest, the court simply recognizes that the only thing that person can say that will
[09:53.160 --> 09:58.320]  have any merit on that subject is that those documents are accurate and true, because my
[09:58.320 --> 10:01.040]  grandfather said so.
[10:01.040 --> 10:04.760]  And even if those aren't his words, that's the only words the court will hear.
[10:04.760 --> 10:06.860]  Does that make sense?
[10:06.860 --> 10:07.860]  That makes sense.
[10:07.860 --> 10:10.840]  Because they're in writing, and they're signed by the signatory.
[10:10.840 --> 10:16.520]  So the person who wasn't even born, if they want to rise up and raise to their right,
[10:16.520 --> 10:17.920]  what do they raise their claim to?
[10:17.920 --> 10:19.720]  The terms of the contract.
[10:19.720 --> 10:20.720]  Okay?
[10:20.720 --> 10:22.240]  And that's where it binds.
[10:22.240 --> 10:28.220]  And so the fee simple title or the odeo title process, the land ownership does not give
[10:28.220 --> 10:33.080]  you something that rises you above the property ownership when you're dealing with that fee
[10:33.080 --> 10:36.160]  simple process being passed from person to person down to the president.
[10:36.160 --> 10:37.160]  That's good news.
[10:37.160 --> 10:39.720]  You see all too often where people go out there and they say, well, grandfather owned
[10:39.720 --> 10:43.720]  this piece of land and I want to raise up the patent so that I can get this land and
[10:43.720 --> 10:47.160]  it's like, well, you have it, you know, you got to have the chain of title, somebody has
[10:47.160 --> 10:52.260]  to have actually granted you the property as well, or you won't be able to do that.
[10:52.260 --> 10:58.160]  And also, it raises another question, which is just because somebody is a descendant,
[10:58.160 --> 11:00.440]  does that necessarily make them an heir?
[11:00.440 --> 11:02.000]  No, it doesn't.
[11:02.000 --> 11:08.060]  And that's another thing that people get wrong all the time, heirs are you have you have
[11:08.060 --> 11:10.680]  an heir and you have the heir apparent.
[11:10.680 --> 11:15.280]  The inherent heir is the one who actually gets the property they inherit.
[11:15.280 --> 11:19.080]  And so they are the inherent heir because they got the property, okay, but you have
[11:19.080 --> 11:20.460]  the heir apparent.
[11:20.460 --> 11:23.940]  That's the person who is a descendant that didn't receive the inheritance.
[11:23.940 --> 11:28.560]  And all you have to do to see the effect of that is again, go back to the Bible, look
[11:28.560 --> 11:33.920]  at Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their brothers and whatnot, and see who got what, you know,
[11:33.920 --> 11:45.160]  and when Jacob passed the birthright to his son, it went to Joseph, but Joseph was off
[11:45.160 --> 11:47.520]  in Egypt for years.
[11:47.520 --> 11:57.280]  And Joseph was not the firstborn son of Jacob, he was the firstborn son of Rachel with Jacob.
[11:57.280 --> 12:02.040]  And all the others had reasons why Jacob didn't give them the birthright, there are all kinds
[12:02.040 --> 12:03.040]  of reasons.
[12:03.040 --> 12:08.200]  And again, they were all heirs apparent until the inheritance was granted.
[12:08.200 --> 12:10.880]  They each received an inheritance.
[12:10.880 --> 12:15.800]  And the inheritance that they received was different, each one receives something different.
[12:15.800 --> 12:20.840]  The one that received all of the property and the control of it was again, Joseph, along
[12:20.840 --> 12:23.480]  with the Abrahamic Covenant and all the stuff that went with that.
[12:23.480 --> 12:28.320]  So the same thing, today, you've got you've got five cars and five children and you grant
[12:28.320 --> 12:32.680]  each one of them a car, do each one of them that might have been heirs apparent have the
[12:32.680 --> 12:34.080]  rights to all of the cars?
[12:34.080 --> 12:37.400]  No, each one of them only gets that which was granted to them.
[12:37.400 --> 12:44.200]  So what happens is, if you're an heir apparent, and a person dies without passing the land
[12:44.200 --> 12:50.600]  or selling it to someone else, then yes, as an heir to the land, the land right, you have
[12:50.600 --> 12:56.800]  the land interest, even if you didn't receive the inheritance, because you have the right
[12:56.800 --> 13:01.080]  to receive that, though it was not granted before the person died.
[13:01.080 --> 13:06.480]  But if you don't have the property pertinent to the land, again, if I own the land, and
[13:06.480 --> 13:14.920]  you own the property, and I don't own the property, and you are on my land, by my authority,
[13:14.920 --> 13:18.980]  we have an agreement like the king, you're a tenant on my land, right?
[13:18.980 --> 13:23.080]  So you're a tenant on my land, you own the property pertinent to my land, and you have
[13:23.080 --> 13:26.580]  the right to have your property on my land.
[13:26.580 --> 13:30.560]  So now you decide you're going to sell it and pass it on to somebody else.
[13:30.560 --> 13:37.580]  And I'm the landowner, and our agreement says that you can't do that.
[13:37.580 --> 13:39.000]  And then you do that.
[13:39.000 --> 13:46.000]  What right does the person that you sold the property to have to come on to my land?
[13:46.000 --> 13:50.700]  He's bought the property, and you can sell the property, but he has no right to enter
[13:50.700 --> 13:53.240]  my land.
[13:53.240 --> 13:55.560]  So what right does he have to come on to my land?
[13:55.560 --> 13:58.300]  He doesn't have any right to come on my land.
[13:58.300 --> 14:00.320]  He might own the property.
[14:00.320 --> 14:03.340]  You might have lost it in a poker game, I don't care.
[14:03.340 --> 14:09.320]  But because it's my land, and he is foreign to my land, and he has no right of tenancy
[14:09.320 --> 14:17.040]  on my land, his property sitting on my land is a violation of my agreement for that property
[14:17.040 --> 14:18.840]  to be on my land.
[14:18.840 --> 14:20.920]  So he has no right to enter my land.
[14:20.920 --> 14:32.080]  By the same token, if I own the land, and you own the property, and you lawfully have
[14:32.080 --> 14:37.760]  the ownership of the property, and I have no right to enter your property, and your
[14:37.760 --> 14:44.880]  property sits on my land, can I enter my land?
[14:44.880 --> 14:47.920]  This sounds like an esoteric issue.
[14:47.920 --> 14:48.920]  Not an esoteric issue.
[14:48.920 --> 14:49.920]  It comes up all the time.
[14:49.920 --> 14:50.920]  I'll show you that in just a minute.
[14:50.920 --> 14:54.160]  Let's go into property taxes, and we'll take a look at that issue and see how esoteric
[14:54.160 --> 14:55.160]  it is.
[14:55.160 --> 14:56.160]  Okay?
[14:56.160 --> 15:05.200]  And it also brings up an issue of what happens if you are on the land patent and someone
[15:05.200 --> 15:09.480]  else is too, and there's a dispute?
[15:09.480 --> 15:10.480]  Then what?
[15:10.480 --> 15:15.240]  Well, again, the land ownership issue is going to be defined by the terms and conditions
[15:15.240 --> 15:19.720]  of the land, and you're going to have many owners of the land, it won't make any difference.
[15:19.720 --> 15:24.160]  The issue in that dispute that you're talking about is usually going to rest in who has
[15:24.160 --> 15:25.160]  the right to the property.
[15:25.160 --> 15:29.940]  Well, see, like what I'm saying is, say I'm on the patent of the land, and I have ownership
[15:29.940 --> 15:34.880]  of the property, but there's other people alive that are also on the patent of the land,
[15:34.880 --> 15:38.480]  but they don't have ownership of the property, and I want to sell...
[15:38.480 --> 15:40.480]  By the way, that happens every time the property is sold.
[15:40.480 --> 15:45.040]  Yeah, and so then I sell the property, but then one of the other people on the patent
[15:45.040 --> 15:50.360]  of the land say, well, I don't want this other person that you sold the property to to come
[15:50.360 --> 15:51.360]  on my land.
[15:51.360 --> 15:52.360]  They don't have that authority.
[15:52.360 --> 15:53.560]  Again, look at the issue, okay?
[15:53.560 --> 15:58.320]  The land ownership controls the domain, and the property ownership controls the property.
[15:58.320 --> 16:04.000]  So if I sell a person the property with a full right to that property, is it my property
[16:04.000 --> 16:06.000]  anymore?
[16:06.000 --> 16:07.000]  Not esoteric at all.
[16:07.000 --> 16:09.720]  Is it my property anymore?
[16:09.720 --> 16:13.280]  Like the dirt we talked about before, I dig the swimming pool, and I sell the dirt.
[16:13.280 --> 16:15.160]  Is that my dirt anymore?
[16:15.160 --> 16:16.160]  No.
[16:16.160 --> 16:19.680]  Yeah, but you're saying that if you still own the land, I can't come on your land and
[16:19.680 --> 16:20.680]  take my dirt.
[16:20.680 --> 16:23.440]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[16:23.440 --> 16:24.440]  When you...
[16:24.440 --> 16:33.440]  Again, notice the conditions of the sale, grants, bargains, sells, and conveys.
[16:33.440 --> 16:36.160]  The grants, bargains, sells, and conveys, okay?
[16:36.160 --> 16:39.920]  So now they own the property, but I don't.
[16:39.920 --> 16:44.560]  I no longer have the right to enter their property, even though my land is just as much
[16:44.560 --> 16:47.560]  as it is theirs.
[16:47.560 --> 16:50.080]  Okay, we'll be right back.
[16:50.080 --> 16:55.240]  We're going to talk about this more on the other side, because I want to find out what
[16:55.240 --> 17:00.020]  are the advantages to having a land patent in this situation?
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[18:27.880 --> 18:42.920]  Okay, so we just quickly want to go over what the advantages are to being on the land patent
[18:42.920 --> 18:45.200]  if you don't own the property.
[18:45.200 --> 18:50.000]  Well, better to understand it than to worry about the advantages, and that's where we're
[18:50.000 --> 18:52.680]  dealing with the understanding, and again, when you're dealing with the land ownership
[18:52.680 --> 18:56.560]  and the property ownership, you've got the land ownership and property ownership when
[18:56.560 --> 19:00.560]  you have the fee simple title, but when you sell that property and grant that land to
[19:00.560 --> 19:05.200]  somebody else, now they have the same land ownership interest that you do, because you
[19:05.200 --> 19:10.060]  can't get rid of that no matter what you do, and you sold them the property rights so you
[19:10.060 --> 19:12.200]  no longer have the property rights.
[19:12.200 --> 19:16.720]  So the question is, after you sell the property and grant them the land, can you enter in
[19:16.720 --> 19:20.240]  on that property?
[19:20.240 --> 19:22.800]  Because you're a landowner, does that give you the right to enter in on that property
[19:22.800 --> 19:26.540]  when you sold the property to somebody else and you no longer have any right to the property
[19:26.540 --> 19:29.960]  at all?
[19:29.960 --> 19:33.400]  Clearly not if you contracted away that right.
[19:33.400 --> 19:34.400]  That's exactly correct.
[19:34.400 --> 19:38.400]  You contracted that away, and you got the funds or whatever it was that was the reason
[19:38.400 --> 19:44.120]  why you sold it, so you no longer have the authority to go in on that property, but your
[19:44.120 --> 19:49.920]  land ownership rights, according to the terms of your grant and the warranty that was granted
[19:49.920 --> 19:56.640]  with it, bind you forever to stand up along with your heirs in the sign, to stand up and
[19:56.640 --> 20:03.720]  admit that they have the, and acquired lawfully, the right and title and interest to that land
[20:03.720 --> 20:04.960]  and property.
[20:04.960 --> 20:09.560]  Now the other thing, the advantage, to address the advantage a little bit, one of the advantages
[20:09.560 --> 20:15.280]  that that gives you in being the ongoing landowner is, it gives you the right of an elector.
[20:15.280 --> 20:20.320]  Back in the beginning of the country, when they started dealing with the republic nature,
[20:20.320 --> 20:25.920]  which means the right of the people's voice in the formation of the government, republic
[20:25.920 --> 20:29.000]  is kind of a dual-fold thing.
[20:29.000 --> 20:31.640]  It's a government controlled by law.
[20:31.640 --> 20:35.560]  It's also a government controlled by the voice of the people.
[20:35.560 --> 20:40.640]  Not democracy, because it's a government controlled by law.
[20:40.640 --> 20:44.080]  Democracy is a government controlled by whoever has the loudest voice.
[20:44.080 --> 20:49.360]  But a republic is governed by the voice of the people and the law.
[20:49.360 --> 20:53.720]  What happens is the voice of the people takes you against the law, it doesn't work.
[20:53.720 --> 20:58.240]  You have to stay focused on the law, God's law stays supreme through it, and man can
[20:58.240 --> 21:02.720]  set statutory adjustments so long as they fit with a hierarchy of contracts and laws
[21:02.720 --> 21:04.240]  that already exist.
[21:04.240 --> 21:05.560]  So again, it's an existent thing.
[21:05.560 --> 21:10.960]  So you have the electoral right, when you are a landowner, whether you own the property
[21:10.960 --> 21:15.480]  or not, you have the right of an elector, which is the right to elect presidents and
[21:15.480 --> 21:17.520]  governors in this country as it goes forward.
[21:17.520 --> 21:21.560]  Some states don't address that issue anymore, but in the foundation in the beginning, it
[21:21.560 --> 21:24.000]  was an elemental necessary issue.
[21:24.000 --> 21:29.720]  It's the very thing that the people here said to the parliament in Great Britain, wherein
[21:29.720 --> 21:31.960]  do you have any authority to speak to us?
[21:31.960 --> 21:35.680]  We're sovereign, and you're subjects.
[21:35.680 --> 21:41.160]  What do you call the king of France when he's in Great Britain?
[21:41.160 --> 21:42.160]  Tenant.
[21:42.160 --> 21:48.080]  Well, I was going to say captured.
[21:48.080 --> 21:51.920]  Might be visiting by permission, and if he's visiting by permission, what is he?
[21:51.920 --> 21:53.560]  He's a tenant.
[21:53.560 --> 21:57.400]  He's there by the terms of the contract that allowed him to come and visit.
[21:57.400 --> 22:04.040]  Either that, or he's a spy, or he's captured, as you said.
[22:04.040 --> 22:05.480]  That's exactly correct.
[22:05.480 --> 22:11.560]  So now when we deal with the land and property, as you sell the property and you grant the
[22:11.560 --> 22:14.800]  land with it, you remain owner on the land, because you can't get rid of that no matter
[22:14.800 --> 22:15.800]  what you do.
[22:15.800 --> 22:16.800]  Why?
[22:16.800 --> 22:18.160]  Because the patent says so.
[22:18.160 --> 22:23.640]  And the property is acquired, the new property owner has both the property rights and the
[22:23.640 --> 22:27.640]  land rights, and accordingly he has power there.
[22:27.640 --> 22:32.160]  There are elements of these issues as we are dealing with them that I cannot share with
[22:32.160 --> 22:36.080]  you unless you're a team law beneficiary.
[22:36.080 --> 22:41.840]  And how to deal with that, you can go to that team law website on teamlaw.net and or teamlaw.org,
[22:41.840 --> 22:46.280]  and when you go there on the left-hand side, there's a link that says becoming a beneficiary,
[22:46.280 --> 22:48.220]  and you can go down and read that.
[22:48.220 --> 22:51.960]  And there's a link on there, it's how do I join team law, you really can't, there's nothing
[22:51.960 --> 22:53.040]  to join.
[22:53.040 --> 22:58.920]  But it does tell, it goes into that issue and in depth, it says how a person can get
[22:58.920 --> 23:05.400]  involved with team law and get the, all the stuff we're talking about, we've already published,
[23:05.400 --> 23:09.120]  everything that we're not talking about, I can't share with you on the phone, because
[23:09.120 --> 23:14.720]  those issues are so critical and powerful for the process of saving our nation and saving
[23:14.720 --> 23:18.880]  ourselves that we just can't put it out there for everybody and their brother to have.
[23:18.880 --> 23:24.040]  It's not that it's a restriction on the information, you could go out and get it the same way I
[23:24.040 --> 23:29.760]  got it at the school of hard knocks and study and learning, or you can take the shortcut
[23:29.760 --> 23:32.060]  and learn how to do it and do it right.
[23:32.060 --> 23:35.960]  By the way, we've seen everybody else doing it and trying to do it, they get it wrong.
[23:35.960 --> 23:40.040]  That's going to be exemplified as we take this issue of property taxes, and we'll jump
[23:40.040 --> 23:42.040]  into that right now, then we'll go to Q&A.
[23:42.040 --> 23:47.920]  Okay, so in the property taxes, again, where the constitutions don't give any rights or
[23:47.920 --> 23:52.280]  authority for government to control or limit the people, how could they possibly tell you
[23:52.280 --> 23:55.920]  you have to pay a property tax on property that you own?
[23:55.920 --> 24:00.640]  The number one right, you look at Colorado's enabling act, as a state comes into the union,
[24:00.640 --> 24:04.840]  there's an enabling act, the enabling act says what the state has to do, or what the
[24:04.840 --> 24:09.320]  territory has to do, and the people of the territory, what they have to do in order to
[24:09.320 --> 24:13.160]  form a state and a union of states of the United States of America.
[24:13.160 --> 24:23.520]  And it says, under an ordinance irrevocable, that the state cannot pass any law that would
[24:23.520 --> 24:27.400]  be repugnant to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the
[24:27.400 --> 24:28.400]  United States.
[24:28.400 --> 24:32.980]  Now, CARA is the only one I know of that references the Declaration of Independence as well,
[24:32.980 --> 24:38.040]  but virtually every state in the union has the reference to the Constitution of the United
[24:38.040 --> 24:44.760]  States, even the original 13 states' own constitutions reference that requirement, okay?
[24:44.760 --> 24:51.400]  So there is no authority for them to pass any law repugnant to those principles, and
[24:51.400 --> 24:55.320]  the number one principle of both of those documents is the right of liberty.
[24:55.320 --> 24:59.960]  Now, the right of liberty is defined as your right to take your property and come and go
[24:59.960 --> 25:03.720]  as you please without interference from government.
[25:03.720 --> 25:08.840]  So if you have the right of liberty, then you have the right to take your property and
[25:08.840 --> 25:13.760]  come and go as you please publicly and privately without interference from government.
[25:13.760 --> 25:19.840]  Again, it's an incredible reservation against the allegation that government has the authority
[25:19.840 --> 25:20.840]  to control you.
[25:20.840 --> 25:21.840]  It does not.
[25:21.840 --> 25:22.960]  It never has had.
[25:22.960 --> 25:28.120]  That was the number one elemental principle of the Constitution, your right of liberty.
[25:28.120 --> 25:32.680]  So how can they possibly tell you that you have to have a license to drive your car or
[25:32.680 --> 25:38.320]  to own your car or that you have to pay property taxes simply because you own property?
[25:38.320 --> 25:42.920]  Again, it makes reason stare to have those two things appear.
[25:42.920 --> 25:48.000]  What the lawyers and the politicians will say in their ignorance is that you have to
[25:48.000 --> 25:51.080]  give up some rights in order to maintain others.
[25:51.080 --> 25:52.380]  That is false.
[25:52.380 --> 25:57.880]  Elemental principle of law in this republic is you cannot be compelled by law or any other
[25:57.880 --> 26:01.880]  means to waive one right in order to enforce another.
[26:01.880 --> 26:05.720]  Your right of liberty is supposed to be sacrosanct.
[26:05.720 --> 26:07.840]  It cannot be interfered with.
[26:07.840 --> 26:12.400]  The only thing that interferes with it is your own trespasses.
[26:12.400 --> 26:17.760]  If you trespass against another person's person or property, then you owe them the remedy
[26:17.760 --> 26:23.600]  of your trespass, whether that remedy is criminal or civil or both.
[26:23.600 --> 26:27.680]  And because you owe them that remedy when someone brings the charges against you in
[26:27.680 --> 26:33.440]  court, it is your own trespass that grants them the authority to hold that jurisdiction
[26:33.440 --> 26:34.440]  upon you.
[26:34.440 --> 26:40.200]  And if, in fact, you were served with the notice of the opportunity to defend and you
[26:40.200 --> 26:46.920]  don't defend, then that is an admission of your responsibility to the obligation.
[26:46.920 --> 26:50.120]  And that is elemental to the nature of our Constitution.
[26:50.120 --> 26:54.240]  But that's the only thing that gives any authority over the people.
[26:54.240 --> 26:57.720]  That authority that if you trespass, you are accountable.
[26:57.720 --> 27:04.160]  Now, when we deal with a property tax, those things being true, how can they possibly create
[27:04.160 --> 27:05.160]  a property tax?
[27:05.160 --> 27:08.120]  Well, all you have to do to test it again.
[27:08.120 --> 27:09.760]  Don't believe the things we say.
[27:09.760 --> 27:11.040]  Look it up and prove it for yourself.
[27:11.040 --> 27:12.400]  Here's how you prove it.
[27:12.400 --> 27:15.620]  You go to the statute itself about property taxes.
[27:15.620 --> 27:19.900]  You follow it back to the first property taxes that were ever put in place.
[27:19.900 --> 27:22.200]  You take a look at what happened.
[27:22.200 --> 27:29.200]  It says, okay, all of these people who are going to vote on this issue that comes before
[27:29.200 --> 27:34.040]  this election are voting on whether we're going to build this bridge or this school
[27:34.040 --> 27:35.040]  or whatever.
[27:35.040 --> 27:38.280]  They're going to build something or they need funds to do something.
[27:38.280 --> 27:42.640]  In order to generate the funds, they need to float a bond.
[27:42.640 --> 27:46.880]  In order to float the bond, they need to have the permission of the people.
[27:46.880 --> 27:51.840]  So they put the permission of the people issues out to them and the people get to then vote.
[27:51.840 --> 27:59.640]  When the people vote, because they have the right to vote, whether they vote or not is
[27:59.640 --> 28:03.960]  irrelevant because they have the right to vote because the issue that's placed before
[28:03.960 --> 28:08.320]  them is a reasonable issue that can be placed before a vote.
[28:08.320 --> 28:11.880]  They say, are we going to float this bond?
[28:11.880 --> 28:18.600]  And if we do, what we're going to do to pay it off, we're going to have every person within
[28:18.600 --> 28:30.440]  this venue pay so many mills of their property value to the state so that the state can collect
[28:30.440 --> 28:36.320]  those funds and mills is a thousandth of a dollar.
[28:36.320 --> 28:39.640]  And so they're going to collect this levy.
[28:39.640 --> 28:45.040]  They're going to levy this amount from the people based upon the property.
[28:45.040 --> 28:52.080]  Now if the thing passes, then they've got the vote of the populace that says that this
[28:52.080 --> 28:54.840]  issue has passed and so they can go get the bond.
[28:54.840 --> 28:58.360]  They go get the bond and now you've got to pay the tax.
[28:58.360 --> 29:01.280]  So how do you get involved in the relationship?
[29:01.280 --> 29:04.840]  Well, another issue comes into play here.
[29:04.840 --> 29:10.960]  And that is the issue that we talked about government forming back with the Constitution,
[29:10.960 --> 29:12.280]  the Constitution of the Republic forming.
[29:12.280 --> 29:19.120]  Then you had the Civil War and then the politicians who were in Washington at the end of the Civil
[29:19.120 --> 29:22.560]  War needed to find a way of bringing the South in.
[29:22.560 --> 29:27.800]  And in order to bring the South back in, even though they were violators of the law and
[29:27.800 --> 29:32.640]  they were war prized, they needed to find a means where they could legally bring them
[29:32.640 --> 29:35.320]  back in and take care of that.
[29:35.320 --> 29:42.360]  The way they did that was they formed a private corporation called the District of Columbia.
[29:42.360 --> 29:43.360]  Okay.
[29:43.360 --> 29:45.920]  Boy, this is a lot of information.
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[32:08.800 --> 32:37.200]  An orange is an orange and will never be an apple.
[32:37.200 --> 33:02.080]  Okay, we're back with Eric Madsen and Eric, please continue and I also want to get into
[33:02.080 --> 33:08.120]  how bringing your land patent forward can help you deal with all those issues about
[33:08.120 --> 33:09.720]  property taxes and such.
[33:09.720 --> 33:13.840]  When you say that, bringing your land patent forward, there is no such thing.
[33:13.840 --> 33:17.520]  I realize in the Patriot community they use that language, that pattern, that process,
[33:17.520 --> 33:19.080]  they're wrong, it's false.
[33:19.080 --> 33:21.440]  There is no way to bring your land patent forward.
[33:21.440 --> 33:26.720]  The land patent is what it is, it's patent, it stays where it is, it doesn't change, there's
[33:26.720 --> 33:28.940]  nothing that you can do to change it.
[33:28.940 --> 33:33.740]  You can't change it in any manner or form and nothing you do will change its effect
[33:33.740 --> 33:37.440]  or how it functions or who it applies to or anything else.
[33:37.440 --> 33:42.080]  So what do you call this process then?
[33:42.080 --> 33:43.080]  What process?
[33:43.080 --> 33:44.800]  What are we doing here?
[33:44.800 --> 33:50.560]  Are you talking about Team Law's land patent sandwich process, what we do with land patents
[33:50.560 --> 33:51.560]  for that?
[33:51.560 --> 33:52.560]  Yes.
[33:52.560 --> 33:54.920]  We secure your acceptance of that.
[33:54.920 --> 34:02.440]  Again, if I give you a gift and you choose not to accept it, who does it belong to?
[34:02.440 --> 34:04.840]  Whoever, you, because you were the giver.
[34:04.840 --> 34:05.840]  The giver.
[34:05.840 --> 34:06.840]  It belongs to me, yeah.
[34:06.840 --> 34:08.480]  The giver is always the person it belongs to.
[34:08.480 --> 34:10.480]  In the case I just gave the example, that would be me.
[34:10.480 --> 34:11.480]  So you secure the acceptance.
[34:11.480 --> 34:12.840]  You're giving the gift, it belongs to me.
[34:12.840 --> 34:18.680]  So if I grant you the title to the patent and you choose not to accept it, or you live
[34:18.680 --> 34:24.160]  in a society where they've forgotten what the patent is, and then powers of governance
[34:24.160 --> 34:29.680]  and others start acting like it doesn't exist or that it is of nil effect, as you'll hear
[34:29.680 --> 34:32.840]  attorneys say, then what happens?
[34:32.840 --> 34:36.840]  Well, if you don't know the land law, if you don't know the foundation, if you don't know
[34:36.840 --> 34:39.840]  title, see these guys are all used to title insurance.
[34:39.840 --> 34:43.200]  And all title insurance does is secures that the bank is going to get back the money it
[34:43.200 --> 34:44.200]  loaned.
[34:44.200 --> 34:46.680]  It doesn't secure anything else.
[34:46.680 --> 34:51.380]  And as the property goes up in value, title insurance stays where it was.
[34:51.380 --> 34:56.360]  There is no equitable increase in title insurance, and very often doesn't even cover what you
[34:56.360 --> 35:00.960]  spent on the property on the onset, let alone anything you put into it afterward.
[35:00.960 --> 35:06.140]  Title insurance is not title, it's insurance that whatever the goombah before you did,
[35:06.140 --> 35:07.960]  they did it with some kind of an authority.
[35:07.960 --> 35:11.840]  If there's any kind of contest, you lose the property and they pay the bill to the bank
[35:11.840 --> 35:12.840]  and that's it.
[35:12.840 --> 35:18.320]  Okay, so in short, why do you even care about a land patent?
[35:18.320 --> 35:22.080]  Owning the patent, well, because the land patent is the title.
[35:22.080 --> 35:25.800]  If you don't have the land patent, you don't have the title.
[35:25.800 --> 35:29.080]  You simply have the title that may or may not be accurate.
[35:29.080 --> 35:31.240]  What difference does that make to me?
[35:31.240 --> 35:32.560]  What difference does it make to you?
[35:32.560 --> 35:33.560]  Yeah.
[35:33.560 --> 35:35.960]  Whether you actually own the land or you don't own it at all?
[35:35.960 --> 35:41.240]  Or if I, I've heard this argument about my car is I don't own the car, I just have title
[35:41.240 --> 35:42.240]  to it.
[35:42.240 --> 35:46.240]  Well, it looks like I own it and it feels like I own it, and I can do pretty much anything
[35:46.240 --> 35:47.640]  I want to with it.
[35:47.640 --> 35:48.640]  What's the difference?
[35:48.640 --> 35:53.400]  Well, typically it's a patriot argument when they say that, but it's actually also true,
[35:53.400 --> 35:54.880]  but you probably don't understand that.
[35:54.880 --> 35:57.560]  Let's go on where we were and you'll understand that really quickly.
[35:57.560 --> 36:02.560]  Okay, we were at DCOA, the District of Columbia Organic Act, all right?
[36:02.560 --> 36:06.920]  The District of Columbia Organic Act created a private corporation.
[36:06.920 --> 36:08.580]  How do we know it's a private corporation?
[36:08.580 --> 36:13.920]  You read the first paragraph out of it, it says it's going to create a municipal corporation,
[36:13.920 --> 36:17.520]  and it names that municipal corporation the District of Columbia.
[36:17.520 --> 36:23.520]  Notice also the act is called the Organic Act, the District of Columbia Organic Act.
[36:23.520 --> 36:27.720]  Organic Act in the title of an act means it's the first act.
[36:27.720 --> 36:32.080]  So let's go back in history and see if we can find any other act forming the District
[36:32.080 --> 36:33.080]  of Columbia.
[36:33.080 --> 36:34.080]  Hey, guess what?
[36:34.080 --> 36:38.240]  1801, the District of Columbia was incorporated.
[36:38.240 --> 36:43.240]  So the District of Columbia as a municipality was incorporated in 1801, which it was, is
[36:43.240 --> 36:48.400]  plainly clearly elementally demonstrated in law, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly
[36:48.400 --> 36:54.240]  ruled over and over and over again, repeatedly ruled that that act was the incorporation
[36:54.240 --> 37:01.080]  act that incorporated the District of Columbia as a body to consume or be sued, okay, 1801.
[37:01.080 --> 37:06.760]  So what is this thing in 1871 that says it's creating a municipal corporation?
[37:06.760 --> 37:11.240]  Well, considering the fact that the municipality of the District of Columbia was created in
[37:11.240 --> 37:18.720]  1801, the only other possible meaning of the term municipal corporation would be a corporation
[37:18.720 --> 37:22.880]  owned by the municipality, is that not correct?
[37:22.880 --> 37:24.360]  I'm not sure.
[37:24.360 --> 37:28.840]  Well, what possibilities could it mean if you say municipal corporation?
[37:28.840 --> 37:33.200]  One would be an incorporated municipality, correct?
[37:33.200 --> 37:34.860]  Yes.
[37:34.860 --> 37:40.680]  And would not another one be a corporation owned by a municipality?
[37:40.680 --> 37:44.880]  I don't see how that necessarily follows.
[37:44.880 --> 37:49.240]  If something's called a municipal corporation, okay, if you have a corporation owned by a
[37:49.240 --> 37:52.360]  municipality, would it not be a municipal corporation?
[37:52.360 --> 37:56.640]  Yes, but to say-
[37:56.640 --> 38:00.040]  When you answer yes to that, that's exactly what I asked before, you said you didn't see
[38:00.040 --> 38:01.040]  how that would follow.
[38:01.040 --> 38:08.080]  Yeah, but what you're implying is, is that it would always be owned by the municipality.
[38:08.080 --> 38:09.960]  No, I didn't say always.
[38:09.960 --> 38:13.080]  I said when they created it, they owned it.
[38:13.080 --> 38:14.080]  They created a corporation.
[38:14.080 --> 38:18.200]  I say they're creating a municipal corporation, and the only thing that I'm saying, and I'm
[38:18.200 --> 38:19.200]  not implying anything-
[38:19.200 --> 38:21.200]  Okay, the day-lax reference to the day-lax, who they?
[38:21.200 --> 38:22.200]  You're talking about-
[38:22.200 --> 38:23.200]  Congress.
[38:23.200 --> 38:25.200]  The legislature of the United States-
[38:25.200 --> 38:26.200]  United States Congress.
[38:26.200 --> 38:27.200]  United States Congress.
[38:27.200 --> 38:28.200]  United States Congress.
[38:28.200 --> 38:29.200]  United States Congress.
[38:29.200 --> 38:38.800]  United States Congress in 1871, the nation's Congress, formed a corporation that they called
[38:38.800 --> 38:44.640]  the District of Columbia, and they did it in an organic act, an original act, a first
[38:44.640 --> 38:48.960]  time act, as if no such act had ever been done.
[38:48.960 --> 38:54.780]  That being the case, we go back to 1801 and see that the municipality of the District
[38:54.780 --> 39:01.560]  of Columbia was formed in 1801 and incorporated at that time, and the Supreme Court as well
[39:01.560 --> 39:03.800]  recognized that fact.
[39:03.800 --> 39:10.600]  So this thing that is being formed in 1871 cannot be that municipality that was formed
[39:10.600 --> 39:15.980]  in 1801, because if it were, it wouldn't be an organic or an original act.
[39:15.980 --> 39:16.980]  It would be an amendment-
[39:16.980 --> 39:21.800]  Exactly, and that says to me that it is something else.
[39:21.800 --> 39:28.320]  It is something other than the municipality, because the municipality was formed 70 years
[39:28.320 --> 39:29.320]  earlier.
[39:29.320 --> 39:36.280]  Okay, so, because the municipality has existed for 70 years, this new thing that they're
[39:36.280 --> 39:40.880]  formed cannot be the municipality incorporated, that's already been done.
[39:40.880 --> 39:42.760]  It has to be something else.
[39:42.760 --> 39:49.320]  The only other thing defined by municipal corporation would be a corporation owned by
[39:49.320 --> 39:50.320]  the municipality.
[39:50.320 --> 39:54.360]  I don't see how that follows.
[39:54.360 --> 39:56.040]  But when I asked it the other way around-
[39:56.040 --> 40:01.000]  20 municipalities created by the Congress.
[40:01.000 --> 40:08.000]  No, no, no, your misunderstanding is that Congress is not creating the municipality.
[40:08.000 --> 40:11.960]  The municipality Congress created in 1801.
[40:11.960 --> 40:14.720]  There's a lot more than one municipality around.
[40:14.720 --> 40:21.160]  No, this is the exact same location, the exact same venue, the exact same everything.
[40:21.160 --> 40:22.160]  That's what I'm saying.
[40:22.160 --> 40:28.880]  But I think it's something else that if it is not the municipality that created in 1801,
[40:28.880 --> 40:29.880]  then it's something different.
[40:29.880 --> 40:31.880]  No, no, it's not a municipality.
[40:31.880 --> 40:32.880]  It's not a municipality.
[40:32.880 --> 40:37.760]  It doesn't necessarily follow that the municipality in 1801 happens to own this one.
[40:37.760 --> 40:39.000]  I don't see where that-
[40:39.000 --> 40:42.680]  Well, again, that's what the word means, municipal corporation.
[40:42.680 --> 40:48.320]  There's only two meanings that it can mean, it's either the municipality that is incorporated
[40:48.320 --> 40:50.600]  or it's a corporation owned by the municipality.
[40:50.600 --> 40:53.480]  Those are the only two options.
[40:53.480 --> 40:56.440]  You can discuss or go through that on your own.
[40:56.440 --> 40:59.160]  Like I say, don't believe what I tell you, go prove it for yourself.
[40:59.160 --> 41:01.640]  Bottom line, that's what happened.
[41:01.640 --> 41:05.160]  And from that time forward, you've got this private corporation.
[41:05.160 --> 41:07.680]  Why would they need to create that private corporation?
[41:07.680 --> 41:11.560]  Well, because again, they're trying to bring the South back in.
[41:11.560 --> 41:16.000]  And in order to bring the South back in, the only way these politicians can see to do it
[41:16.000 --> 41:20.040]  is by doing things that the Constitution forbids them from doing.
[41:20.040 --> 41:25.560]  So if they create a private corporation that can privately contract from private issues
[41:25.560 --> 41:30.480]  with private parties, then the private corporation by agreement with the parties that it's dealing
[41:30.480 --> 41:35.560]  with can do the things they need to do to bring the South back in with less turmoil
[41:35.560 --> 41:37.040]  than by any other means.
[41:37.040 --> 41:42.440]  And it also gave them some nice advantages to start dealing with monetary interests and
[41:42.440 --> 41:48.560]  bond relations and debts and things of that nature that Andy Jackson had removed the ability
[41:48.560 --> 41:53.480]  to do back when he was the President, recognizing that they can't have a national bank.
[41:53.480 --> 41:55.640]  The Constitution didn't provide for it.
[41:55.640 --> 42:00.600]  So, anyway, you come from that point in time, and now this corporation starts carrying out
[42:00.600 --> 42:06.760]  it was charged with the responsibility of carrying out the business needs for the government,
[42:06.760 --> 42:13.480]  and then the Constitution again provides that within the 10-mile square of Washington, D.C.,
[42:13.480 --> 42:16.620]  Congress can do anything that can lawfully be done.
[42:16.620 --> 42:21.840]  So by creating this private corporation, they can enter private contracts that the government
[42:21.840 --> 42:29.160]  couldn't do lawfully, but a private corporation can do, and they can own the private corporation
[42:29.160 --> 42:35.600]  in the District of Columbia, because the Constitution says they can pass any such law and enforce
[42:35.600 --> 42:36.600]  it.
[42:36.600 --> 42:37.600]  So that's why they set this thing up.
[42:37.600 --> 42:42.440]  Well, actually, anything involving the District of Columbia, the territories, or enclaves,
[42:42.440 --> 42:44.160]  they have plenary jurisdiction.
[42:44.160 --> 42:47.920]  They can do anything constitutional or not.
[42:47.920 --> 42:54.940]  Well, it has to fit within the constitutional confines for their control of that district,
[42:54.940 --> 42:59.800]  and the Constitution says they can do anything that they can do lawfully.
[42:59.800 --> 43:03.420]  And that means if they can create the law, they can do it.
[43:03.420 --> 43:07.820]  And that, in effect, says the same thing as what you just said, it's just clarifying it
[43:07.820 --> 43:08.820]  a little bit more.
[43:08.820 --> 43:12.180]  It's not that they just can do anything, they actually have to go through the process of
[43:12.180 --> 43:16.000]  making things that they can do available to be done.
[43:16.000 --> 43:18.060]  But anyways, beyond that-
[43:18.060 --> 43:19.060]  Okay, wait a minute.
[43:19.060 --> 43:20.060]  Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[43:20.060 --> 43:22.360]  I have to interrupt here, because we're about to go to the break.
[43:22.360 --> 43:26.640]  All right, we have about an hour left, and I want to open up the phone lines for questions.
[43:26.640 --> 43:32.820]  And I also, on the other side, if you could address how you trace back to being able to
[43:32.820 --> 43:38.980]  get the acceptance of this grant, of this land patent, by buying the property, if you
[43:38.980 --> 43:44.560]  want to use the term buying, if somebody owns, quote unquote, owns a piece of property, in
[43:44.560 --> 43:53.100]  the normal conversational sense of those words, how do you get traced back through title to
[43:53.100 --> 43:54.540]  get the acceptance of the land patent?
[43:54.540 --> 43:56.660]  I'd like to address that on the other side, and then we'll take calls.
[43:56.660 --> 43:59.660]  We'll be right back.
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[45:23.400 --> 45:27.160]  Okay, callers, we're going to take your calls now.
[45:27.160 --> 45:32.480]  I had the phones turned off so that our guests could present material up until this point,
[45:32.480 --> 45:36.360]  but we've got an hour left, so we're going to take calls now and questions.
[45:36.360 --> 45:40.760]  And first, I have a question because I just want to make sure it's...
[45:40.760 --> 45:44.960]  Really quick, really quick, really quick, let's finish that thing off we were and then
[45:44.960 --> 45:45.960]  do that.
[45:45.960 --> 45:47.600]  And it'll only take me about two minutes to finish it off.
[45:47.600 --> 45:48.600]  Okay, go ahead.
[45:48.600 --> 45:57.000]  I want it to say that this thing that we call CorpUS, this corporation was created in 1871
[45:57.000 --> 45:58.600]  and then it continues forward to act.
[45:58.600 --> 46:01.360]  We're not going to go into all the details of what happens when it actually takes another
[46:01.360 --> 46:12.080]  four hours, but the states then in 1962 were warned that they needed to set private corporations
[46:12.080 --> 46:18.520]  as well and by 1972, they all set private corporate bodies that they operate under and
[46:18.520 --> 46:23.200]  now the government itself, you don't even see it, doesn't operate, and for the most
[46:23.200 --> 46:24.200]  part, it's vacant.
[46:24.200 --> 46:29.160]  It's one of the principal elements of what TMWA does is we're in the process of reseating
[46:29.160 --> 46:32.400]  the governors so we can reseat the presidency.
[46:32.400 --> 46:36.920]  You can go onto our website under the governor's corner and see how that is doing.
[46:36.920 --> 46:42.080]  We just got governors elected in Virginia and New Jersey and those are done.
[46:42.080 --> 46:43.600]  That was the only ones available this year.
[46:43.600 --> 46:45.420]  Next year is the biggest governor election.
[46:45.420 --> 46:48.920]  We need governors from every state that comes up for election.
[46:48.920 --> 46:52.200]  We need people to fill those seats if not already filled.
[46:52.200 --> 46:53.200]  We need people to do that.
[46:53.200 --> 46:56.120]  So we need people to participate in the election.
[46:56.120 --> 47:00.920]  Before 2012, we need to have the electoral college set back in place so we can put our
[47:00.920 --> 47:05.000]  president back for the first time since 1913.
[47:05.000 --> 47:08.560]  Now, on the issue you asked about...
[47:08.560 --> 47:09.560]  No, wait a minute.
[47:09.560 --> 47:10.800]  Hold on because I haven't asked you on the air.
[47:10.800 --> 47:11.800]  We talked about it on the break.
[47:11.800 --> 47:12.800]  Wait a minute because the callers, the listeners...
[47:12.800 --> 47:13.800]  No, no.
[47:13.800 --> 47:14.800]  I said the issue you asked about.
[47:14.800 --> 47:15.800]  Okay.
[47:15.800 --> 47:16.800]  Ask that question.
[47:16.800 --> 47:17.800]  Okay.
[47:17.800 --> 47:18.800]  Here we go.
[47:18.800 --> 47:19.800]  Okay.
[47:19.800 --> 47:20.800]  Because I want to get into...
[47:20.800 --> 47:23.480]  It sort of sounds sometimes like, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
[47:23.480 --> 47:27.240]  You can't have the title without the patent so how do you get the patent if you already
[47:27.240 --> 47:29.960]  have the quote unquote title?
[47:29.960 --> 47:32.560]  So can you please explain that?
[47:32.560 --> 47:35.920]  You can't have the title without having the patent because the patent is the title.
[47:35.920 --> 47:37.880]  There is no title outside of the patent.
[47:37.880 --> 47:40.420]  The patent is the title to the land.
[47:40.420 --> 47:43.340]  So how do you get the title to land?
[47:43.340 --> 47:48.920]  You acquire the land and the property with your deed and it's a fee simple title to the
[47:48.920 --> 47:54.080]  land typically and that means, again, a low deal title, the land and the property together
[47:54.080 --> 47:56.640]  and they come to you by deed.
[47:56.640 --> 48:01.080]  Now the person that sold it to you, they acquired it by their document.
[48:01.080 --> 48:04.280]  Those documents, deeds or whatever, are colors of title.
[48:04.280 --> 48:09.720]  You track those back from today, your date, back to the patent.
[48:09.720 --> 48:12.880]  You need every change of hands of documents with that.
[48:12.880 --> 48:15.320]  You used to get a thing called an abstract.
[48:15.320 --> 48:22.200]  The abstract is a printout that shows all of those change of hands in the title from
[48:22.200 --> 48:24.240]  the patent, which is the title.
[48:24.240 --> 48:30.160]  The abstract will show every change of hands, every assignment on the land to the present
[48:30.160 --> 48:32.080]  and that's what the abstract would be.
[48:32.080 --> 48:35.840]  If you get that certified, it costs a whole lot more because some lawyer's putting his
[48:35.840 --> 48:38.840]  name on it saying, I guarantee this is right.
[48:38.840 --> 48:45.640]  The best way to do it is to go and pull the actual document so that you get the actual
[48:45.640 --> 48:49.600]  certified document from the patent to the present.
[48:49.600 --> 48:56.160]  I remember when I was a child and I watched land transactions take place and I'm not young
[48:56.160 --> 48:57.700]  anymore.
[48:57.700 --> 49:01.560]  My wife was calling me old today.
[49:01.560 --> 49:07.280]  You go back to the, and I bought my movie tickets as a senior citizen.
[49:07.280 --> 49:13.000]  Anyway, you go back to chain a title from the patent to the present and it goes down
[49:13.000 --> 49:20.720]  through that chain, each assignment and you get the physical document, the certified document
[49:20.720 --> 49:25.680]  for each change of hands and when you have that, you have the patent and every change
[49:25.680 --> 49:30.960]  of hands of the original document, you have what's called a perfect title.
[49:30.960 --> 49:36.480]  The perfect title is the patent itself with all of the documents between the patent and
[49:36.480 --> 49:41.960]  the present and I remember when I was young, when they did the deed, they wrote the deed
[49:41.960 --> 49:48.020]  and then they took that thing and they attached it to a stack of other deeds, which was the
[49:48.020 --> 49:53.080]  original document of the change of hands from the patent to the present.
[49:53.080 --> 49:57.520]  The patent was at the bottom, that current deed was on top and then they fold the thing
[49:57.520 --> 50:02.880]  up and they wrap this cord around it and then on the outside of this sheepskin thing, it
[50:02.880 --> 50:08.680]  says land title and that's how it's done and it's still done that very same way to this
[50:08.680 --> 50:10.160]  very day.
[50:10.160 --> 50:20.000]  Now, what we do in team law, we simply secure your acceptance of the patent based on the
[50:20.000 --> 50:29.120]  documents that you have, that being your deed and the patent itself, your rights to the
[50:29.120 --> 50:33.520]  patent and the patent itself, we secure your acceptance with documents that we generate
[50:33.520 --> 50:34.880]  that secures that acceptance.
[50:34.880 --> 50:37.780]  We don't do anything with the chain of title from the patent to the present, you still
[50:37.780 --> 50:39.240]  need to do that.
[50:39.240 --> 50:45.000]  You can use a certified abstract but personally, if I had an abstract, I'd go pull the records
[50:45.000 --> 50:48.920]  and get the actual copies and pay for the price for the copies.
[50:48.920 --> 50:54.760]  In the original 13 states, that's a lot of money sometimes but if you're not, it doesn't
[50:54.760 --> 50:55.760]  cost that much.
[50:55.760 --> 51:01.840]  We have a question that's been sent to me actually from a caller earlier on the show
[51:01.840 --> 51:08.960]  wanting to know if you can get a patent or get your acceptance of patent if there is
[51:08.960 --> 51:13.480]  a current lien on the property like a mortgage.
[51:13.480 --> 51:18.400]  When patents were initially issued, the reason why you hear stuff like that is when patents
[51:18.400 --> 51:23.160]  were initially issued in the United States of America, the United States government would
[51:23.160 --> 51:33.920]  not issue a patent if the person that was applying for the title to the land had the
[51:33.920 --> 51:38.200]  property appurtenant of the land encumbered by debt or if they were encumbered by debt.
[51:38.200 --> 51:42.080]  So they wouldn't issue the patent until the person could demonstrate that they were not
[51:42.080 --> 51:44.120]  encumbered by debt or taxes.
[51:44.120 --> 51:50.680]  The reason for that then was to secure that the grant was being made clean.
[51:50.680 --> 51:56.800]  In other words, there was no underlying obligation that would preclude that person from the right
[51:56.800 --> 52:01.560]  of acquiring the property appurtenant of the land that would be granted in the patent.
[52:01.560 --> 52:06.000]  When they were granted that land, it would come to them unencumbered and without encumbering
[52:06.000 --> 52:07.000]  ability.
[52:07.000 --> 52:09.360]  So that was the case then.
[52:09.360 --> 52:15.080]  Today, virtually all of the land in the country has been patented and that which has not been
[52:15.080 --> 52:21.920]  patented is under moratorium, CorpUS is not granting patents today.
[52:21.920 --> 52:25.120]  We need to put back the original jurisdiction of government to get that back in place.
[52:25.120 --> 52:31.320]  So CorpUS has stopped the issuing of patents even as a business need for the government.
[52:31.320 --> 52:35.240]  So anything that doesn't have a patent on it now won't get a patent on it until the
[52:35.240 --> 52:37.640]  original jurisdiction of government is back in place.
[52:37.640 --> 52:42.420]  So the answer to the question is whether you have a debt or encumbrance today has no bearing
[52:42.420 --> 52:46.680]  on the patent because the patent was issued 100, 200 years ago.
[52:46.680 --> 52:51.920]  Because the patent was issued before the lien would have been placed on that property.
[52:51.920 --> 52:55.480]  Yeah, the patent already exists and again the land has nothing whatsoever to do with
[52:55.480 --> 52:59.360]  the property appurtenant of the land other than it's the place where the property appurtenant
[52:59.360 --> 53:01.280]  of the land exists or set.
[53:01.280 --> 53:09.580]  So if someone gets their acceptance of the land patent after there has been a lien placed
[53:09.580 --> 53:12.600]  on the property, how does that affect the lien?
[53:12.600 --> 53:14.200]  It doesn't.
[53:14.200 --> 53:17.240]  Okay, so the lien is still there.
[53:17.240 --> 53:23.800]  On our website, you can go to our teamlawforum.net and on that there's a subforum called Land
[53:23.800 --> 53:25.600]  Patents.
[53:25.600 --> 53:30.440]  And you go on the Land Patents subforum, the lead article on that forum is called Land
[53:30.440 --> 53:31.440]  101.
[53:31.440 --> 53:34.400]  It's like a mini college course on land issues.
[53:34.400 --> 53:37.900]  Most of what we've talked about today is there and if we don't get to the property tax issue
[53:37.900 --> 53:40.560]  then that's covered in there as well.
[53:40.560 --> 53:46.200]  Again, property taxes, mortgages, all of those kinds of things, they're contracts dealing
[53:46.200 --> 53:47.880]  with property.
[53:47.880 --> 53:51.540]  The land is not physical, tangible property.
[53:51.540 --> 53:53.480]  It cannot be bought, sold, or traded.
[53:53.480 --> 53:59.120]  It already is owned by anyone that might ever receive an inheritance or assignment to it.
[53:59.120 --> 54:07.460]  So it can't affect or be affected by your otherwise ability to contract.
[54:07.460 --> 54:14.620]  So if you have your acceptance of land patent for your property, can you then have your
[54:14.620 --> 54:18.920]  property taken off of the tax roll for the property taxes?
[54:18.920 --> 54:22.180]  Again, we just answered that question.
[54:22.180 --> 54:27.060]  And the answer to that question was the land patent has nothing whatsoever to do with your
[54:27.060 --> 54:29.160]  private contractual relation.
[54:29.160 --> 54:34.240]  Again, property taxes come from private contract.
[54:34.240 --> 54:38.940]  The voting registration, and again, today when you're a registered voter, you're not
[54:38.940 --> 54:43.420]  a registered voter for the state of the union that you reside in.
[54:43.420 --> 54:48.540]  You are a registered voter for the corporation, the state of tax.
[54:48.540 --> 54:51.500]  Like the name of California is the California Republic.
[54:51.500 --> 54:53.580]  The name of Colorado is Colorado.
[54:53.580 --> 54:54.820]  The name of Texas is Texas.
[54:54.820 --> 54:57.300]  The name of Virginia is Virginia.
[54:57.300 --> 55:02.700]  But the name of Virginia is the Commonwealth of Virginia, excuse me.
[55:02.700 --> 55:06.100]  But in the Commonwealth of Virginia, there's a thing called the state of Virginia.
[55:06.100 --> 55:08.260]  It's the private corporation we were talking about.
[55:08.260 --> 55:10.420]  California has the state of California.
[55:10.420 --> 55:14.380]  Texas has the state of Texas, and Colorado has the state of Colorado.
[55:14.380 --> 55:16.300]  Those are not the state's names.
[55:16.300 --> 55:24.940]  Those are the names of the corporations that were created between 1962 and 1972.
[55:24.940 --> 55:27.460]  That's where people are registering to vote today.
[55:27.460 --> 55:33.940]  When you register to vote in those relations, you are registering as a voter in that corporation.
[55:33.940 --> 55:36.380]  It's a voluntary act.
[55:36.380 --> 55:41.340]  Typically, in order to be able to do that, today in this homeland security world, they
[55:41.340 --> 55:45.300]  have a thing called legal presence.
[55:45.300 --> 55:50.820]  You establish legal presence by proving that you have a Social Security number.
[55:50.820 --> 55:56.420]  The bottom line, when Social Security Administration, when you set up a relationship with Social
[55:56.420 --> 56:00.500]  Security Administration, the way that happens is someone, it doesn't have to be you, it
[56:00.500 --> 56:07.200]  can be anyone, and nowadays it's almost never the person to whom the card is sent, anyone
[56:07.200 --> 56:08.580]  can make the application.
[56:08.580 --> 56:10.480]  The application goes to Social Security Administration.
[56:10.480 --> 56:15.460]  They take the data off the application, enter it into a database, and register the name
[56:15.460 --> 56:17.620]  and account number in the database.
[56:17.620 --> 56:22.020]  Then they send out a card with that registered name that they created and that registered
[56:22.020 --> 56:24.000]  account number that they created.
[56:24.000 --> 56:26.760]  Those are printed on the card and there's a space for a signature.
[56:26.760 --> 56:30.380]  When they send that out, they say, this card does not belong to you, it belongs to the
[56:30.380 --> 56:31.740]  United States government.
[56:31.740 --> 56:36.340]  What we want you to do is hold this card until such time as we want it back.
[56:36.340 --> 56:42.780]  Now, if you agree to that, they say, you have to notice this card has not yet been activated.
[56:42.780 --> 56:49.140]  So if you agree to hold this card until such time as we want it back, you need to activate
[56:49.140 --> 56:52.300]  this card by signing it.
[56:52.300 --> 56:57.980]  Now, the signature, when you look at signatures, it's not the pen and ink on the paper.
[56:57.980 --> 57:00.780]  Signature, that's evidence of a signature.
[57:00.780 --> 57:04.500]  When you look at pen and ink on a paper, that's evidence of a signature.
[57:04.500 --> 57:13.020]  The signature is the act that causes the pen to move over the paper and leave that evidence,
[57:13.020 --> 57:16.200]  and the act has to be an annoying, willing, consensual act.
[57:16.200 --> 57:21.680]  So when a person signs that card to accept that card and hold that card, a signature
[57:21.680 --> 57:25.940]  act might be the pen and ink on the paper, it might be opening up a bank account, it
[57:25.940 --> 57:30.940]  might be using that name and account number for employment or whatever.
[57:30.940 --> 57:37.380]  Bottom line, in law, any time anyone gives somebody something to hold that does not belong
[57:37.380 --> 57:41.020]  to them, a trust is created.
[57:41.020 --> 57:46.820]  The trust being created creates an agency of the United States government called the
[57:46.820 --> 57:53.940]  Social Security Numbered Person, the taxpayer identification number.
[57:53.940 --> 57:58.260]  This is why I said before what I said about the tax protesters, they're ill-informed.
[57:58.260 --> 58:02.900]  They go out fighting as if they were sovereign, but they admit that it's the taxpayer that's
[58:02.900 --> 58:03.900]  doing the fighting.
[58:03.900 --> 58:06.400]  Same thing happens with property taxes.
[58:06.400 --> 58:12.060]  The person contracting for the property tax is the taxpayer, not the man.
[58:12.060 --> 58:18.100]  Okay, so what we need to do is we need to somehow annul that contract.
[58:18.100 --> 58:19.100]  No.
[58:19.100 --> 58:20.100]  No?
[58:20.100 --> 58:24.140]  That's only what appears to be what we need to do.
[58:24.140 --> 58:27.220]  Okay, well- I can't find a point here.
[58:27.220 --> 58:31.260]  I'm lost in legal land.
[58:31.260 --> 58:33.540]  No idea what you're talking about now.
[58:33.540 --> 58:37.300]  Okay, we do have a caller.
[58:37.300 --> 58:39.020]  We've got Gene from Wisconsin.
[58:39.020 --> 58:40.980]  I'd like to start taking some calls at this point.
[58:40.980 --> 58:41.980]  That'd be great.
[58:41.980 --> 58:42.980]  512-646-1984.
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[01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:25.060]  a debit card.
[01:00:25.060 --> 01:00:30.900]  Overdraft fees currently earn banks $25 to $38 billion a year.
[01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:37.700]  Armed conflict in Afghanistan claimed the lives of 2,021 civilians from January to October,
[01:00:37.700 --> 01:00:42.580]  and the numbers are rising, according to the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan.
[01:00:42.580 --> 01:00:47.940]  August was the deadliest month, with 294 reported deaths.
[01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:55.220]  In south Wajiristan, at least 17 Pakistani soldiers were killed Friday in fierce fighting.
[01:00:55.220 --> 01:00:59.260]  Pakistan launched the offensive in October at the behest of the US.
[01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:03.800]  The offensive has driven hundreds of thousands of civilians from their homes, and locals
[01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:09.820]  say the military's constant airstrikes have left many towns completely bombed out.
[01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:16.220]  A UN special investigator who was blocked from visiting the US by the Bush administration
[01:01:16.220 --> 01:01:21.380]  has accused the government of pouring billions of dollars into rescuing banks while treating
[01:01:21.380 --> 01:01:24.340]  the homeless crisis as invisible.
[01:01:24.340 --> 01:01:29.400]  Raquel Rolnick, the UN special rapporteur for the right to adequate housing, who has
[01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:34.940]  just completed a seven-city tour of America, said it was shameful that a country as wealthy
[01:01:34.940 --> 01:01:41.180]  as the US was not spending more money on lifting its citizens out of homelessness and substandard
[01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:42.900]  overcrowded housing.
[01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:47.980]  Rolnick said the worst conditions she saw were on Pine Ridge Native American Reservation
[01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:49.680]  in South Dakota.
[01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:54.820]  She said, you see total hopelessness, despair, very bad conditions.
[01:01:54.820 --> 01:01:56.140]  They're not visible.
[01:01:56.140 --> 01:01:57.140]  They're isolated.
[01:01:57.140 --> 01:01:58.600]  They're lost.
[01:01:58.600 --> 01:02:02.900]  More than three million people were believed to be homeless at some point over the last
[01:02:02.900 --> 01:02:03.900]  year.
[01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:08.940]  The fastest growing segment of the homeless population is families with children, often
[01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:09.940]  single parents.
[01:02:09.940 --> 01:02:14.400]  This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet.
[01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:20.040]  At least nine US states face similar fiscal strains as those that left California on the
[01:02:20.040 --> 01:02:23.060]  brink of insolvency four months ago.
[01:02:23.060 --> 01:02:29.620]  According to the Pew Center, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon,
[01:02:29.620 --> 01:02:35.620]  Rhode Island, and Wisconsin are dealing with declining tax revenue, resurgent deficits,
[01:02:35.620 --> 01:02:38.540]  and increasing unemployment and foreclosures.
[01:02:38.540 --> 01:02:44.460]  All but New Jersey, Illinois, and Wisconsin have been hampered by a rule requiring a two-thirds
[01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:48.060]  legislative vote to approve tax increases.
[01:02:48.060 --> 01:02:55.420]  Lawmakers in California have slashed $32 billion from spending and raised taxes by $12.5 billion
[01:02:55.420 --> 01:03:25.180]  to close budget gaps brought on by
[01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:32.180]  the state.
[01:03:32.180 --> 01:03:39.020]  Okay, we are back with Eric Madsen from Teen Law.
[01:03:39.020 --> 01:03:41.160]  We have some callers on the line.
[01:03:41.160 --> 01:03:44.300]  We are going to go to our callers now.
[01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:46.140]  We've got Gene from Wisconsin.
[01:03:46.140 --> 01:03:47.860]  Gene, thanks for calling in.
[01:03:47.860 --> 01:03:49.860]  What's your question for our guest?
[01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:50.860]  Hi, everybody.
[01:03:50.860 --> 01:03:51.860]  Hi, Eric.
[01:03:51.860 --> 01:03:52.860]  Hey.
[01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:58.340]  Did you finish your point on the trust, where you started mentioning the trust that was
[01:03:58.340 --> 01:03:59.340]  formed?
[01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:02.340]  Well, you're talking about the trust that was created by Social Security Administration?
[01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.340]  Right.
[01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:07.620]  I mean, that wasn't my question, but I didn't hear you finish that point, so I was just
[01:04:07.620 --> 01:04:10.180]  wondering if you were finished with it or not.
[01:04:10.180 --> 01:04:14.460]  Well, I could finish it real quick.
[01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:17.540]  If you didn't get the finish of it, I can finish it again for you real quick.
[01:04:17.540 --> 01:04:18.540]  Oh, okay.
[01:04:18.540 --> 01:04:23.540]  For the purposes of this conversation, I could finish that fairly quickly.
[01:04:23.540 --> 01:04:29.500]  Once the trust is formed, because of the ignorance of the people dealing with what they're working
[01:04:29.500 --> 01:04:33.820]  with, they think that they're acting in their own natural capacity, and again, you can go
[01:04:33.820 --> 01:04:41.940]  to our website on the TeamLaw.net, go to Patriot Mythology, and Myth 22 is the one you'd want
[01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:47.780]  to focus on that would address that, and make sure that you review every one of the seven
[01:04:47.780 --> 01:04:50.660]  points that it says are necessary to understand that myth.
[01:04:50.660 --> 01:04:55.520]  Go down through those, and it will go over that element, but again, when they start acting
[01:04:55.520 --> 01:05:01.860]  in the capacity of that trust, the only thing that they need to do in the capacity of that
[01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:08.960]  trust is hold the cart, but what they will do, because of commerce, is virtually everything
[01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:15.040]  that they do, they do through that trust, and they don't even realize that that's not
[01:05:15.040 --> 01:05:16.040]  them.
[01:05:16.040 --> 01:05:21.900]  So the first thing that you have to do to resolve the issues of property taxes, of debts,
[01:05:21.900 --> 01:05:28.820]  of liens, of whatever issue it is, first you have to realize who the parties are that are
[01:05:28.820 --> 01:05:30.840]  involved in the process.
[01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.980]  The instant presumption that everybody makes is, that's me.
[01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:39.460]  But if you look at the terms and conditions of the documents that are expressed, they
[01:05:39.460 --> 01:05:45.260]  will plainly and clearly show you who the parties are, and if that taxpayer identification
[01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:51.500]  number is used, then the party involved in that relationship is not you, it is, in fact,
[01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:52.500]  that trust.
[01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:58.460]  So the first thing that you do, and that's why people use the land patent service that
[01:05:58.460 --> 01:06:05.380]  Team Law provides, because our land patent sandwich takes that property and that land,
[01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:12.560]  and its ownership, from that trust, and moves it to you.
[01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:17.620]  So the trust loses the ownership, and you gain the ownership.
[01:06:17.620 --> 01:06:25.960]  So if a person already has the property bound up because they've lost it for all intents
[01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:31.100]  and purposes to their contract relations while they were acting in ignorance, they may or
[01:06:31.100 --> 01:06:36.600]  may not be able to resolve that in a timely manner, such that they can save that property
[01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:41.100]  and convey it, because their conveyance has already been made by another process.
[01:06:41.100 --> 01:06:47.660]  If they're processed dealing with a mortgage, or they're processed dealing with a tax liability,
[01:06:47.660 --> 01:06:52.060]  or the process is dealing with those things, usually not the tax liability in this case,
[01:06:52.060 --> 01:06:59.420]  but the mortgages, if the process of the mortgage was an unlawful process, and most of the time
[01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:03.480]  it's not, but very often today we find it is.
[01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:07.760]  And that would be like, for example, when you took out the mortgage, if there was a
[01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:14.540]  promissory note in the documentation for the mortgage, in all likelihood today, if there
[01:07:14.540 --> 01:07:19.980]  was a promissory note in that application documentation, in all likelihood, when the
[01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:26.340]  bank got that promissory note, they recorded it in their records, the sooner they can record
[01:07:26.340 --> 01:07:31.540]  that in their records, the sooner they can attribute that, and 80% of the face value
[01:07:31.540 --> 01:07:41.060]  of that promissory note, they can hold in their account as a base for lending new funds
[01:07:41.060 --> 01:07:42.060]  to someone else.
[01:07:42.060 --> 01:07:44.500]  That's how that kind of a loan is hypothecated.
[01:07:44.500 --> 01:07:50.540]  They'll put the promissory note in, and immediately, it's a $100,000 promissory note, $80,000 they
[01:07:50.540 --> 01:07:52.460]  can loan out to somebody else.
[01:07:52.460 --> 01:08:01.500]  Yes, they will hypothecate it by monetizing it at the Fed window, or tracing that down.
[01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:03.900]  It's automatic at the bank.
[01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:08.720]  They can invest 80% of their average daily flow.
[01:08:08.720 --> 01:08:13.700]  So as soon as they put that promissory note into their records, it's considered an account
[01:08:13.700 --> 01:08:20.900]  receivable, and 80% of the value of that account receivable can be invested, and that can be
[01:08:20.900 --> 01:08:22.500]  done eight levels deep.
[01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:25.080]  It's called fractional reserve banking.
[01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:26.780]  They don't have to go to the Fed window at all.
[01:08:26.780 --> 01:08:27.780]  The Fed's not even involved.
[01:08:27.780 --> 01:08:29.340]  It's an automatic process.
[01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:30.340]  Every bank can do it.
[01:08:30.340 --> 01:08:34.260]  Once they do that, so when they get the promissory note...
[01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:39.100]  The fractionalization goes to their reserve at the Fed, and until they monetize it at
[01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:41.700]  the Fed window, they can't add it to their fractional reserve.
[01:08:41.700 --> 01:08:45.420]  You have to count it that way, but at the bank, as soon as they put it on their books,
[01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:46.420]  they start lending.
[01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:47.420]  Okay?
[01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:48.420]  It's an automatic thing.
[01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:50.300]  They get it on their books, they start lending.
[01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:56.100]  So when they have that promissory note sitting in a file, who's to know when they put that
[01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:57.100]  in the records?
[01:08:57.100 --> 01:09:03.300]  When you go to closing on a piece of real estate, what is it that's securing the note
[01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:04.300]  in the real estate?
[01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:05.860]  The property or the promissory note?
[01:09:05.860 --> 01:09:09.700]  Well, now you've got the property and the promissory note in the situation.
[01:09:09.700 --> 01:09:10.900]  You don't need both.
[01:09:10.900 --> 01:09:12.020]  You only need one.
[01:09:12.020 --> 01:09:18.500]  So if there's a promissory note in there, and that's part of the package, in all likelihood,
[01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:21.420]  they're using that promissory note to generate resources.
[01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:27.080]  So if you get involved in a foreclosure process, then the remedy is you take that promissory
[01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:29.340]  note, how are you going to get the promissory note?
[01:09:29.340 --> 01:09:34.420]  Well, you have to use the court power to summon it from the bank.
[01:09:34.420 --> 01:09:39.460]  So you summon it from the lender, and then they have to produce it.
[01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:42.060]  Now you turn it over and see what the date stamp is on it.
[01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:46.960]  If the date stamp was before the closing, you just won, and they've loaned you your
[01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:51.060]  own credit, and the loan was fraud, and you've kept your property.
[01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:55.980]  But if you go past the foreclosure process and allow it to go purely administrative and
[01:09:55.980 --> 01:10:00.780]  don't even make the challenge of the thing, then you waive your opportunity to do so,
[01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:04.840]  and you can't go back and get the bank to show it up unless you can show something else
[01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:07.100]  that wasn't evident in the process of the trial.
[01:10:07.100 --> 01:10:08.400]  It's a very difficult thing.
[01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:15.060]  The way you save the property in dealing with mortgages and other things is not by using
[01:10:15.060 --> 01:10:18.460]  the land patent itself for that purpose.
[01:10:18.460 --> 01:10:24.460]  It's by using the contracts and relations and addressing them directly.
[01:10:24.460 --> 01:10:25.780]  Why get the patent itself?
[01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:35.700]  Again, because if you secure the property and the land from the trust to the man, and
[01:10:35.700 --> 01:10:42.180]  or you follow along with that process that Teamwalk can help with, if you do that, then
[01:10:42.180 --> 01:10:44.220]  the land ownership transfers.
[01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:49.660]  Again, if you're doing, you can't do that after the fact, but you can do that before
[01:10:49.660 --> 01:10:50.660]  the fact.
[01:10:50.660 --> 01:10:54.780]  And then if you're stuck in the situation with a foreclosure or something of that nature,
[01:10:54.780 --> 01:10:59.860]  the manner in which you fight something like that is by going after the actual instruments
[01:10:59.860 --> 01:11:04.780]  that were used in the process of getting you involved with that lending process.
[01:11:04.780 --> 01:11:05.780]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:05.780 --> 01:11:06.780]  Let me ask you something.
[01:11:06.780 --> 01:11:12.100]  Let me ask you something, Eric, because you just said about the land ownership transfers.
[01:11:12.100 --> 01:11:16.980]  And earlier, it sounded to me like you were saying regarding the acceptance...
[01:11:16.980 --> 01:11:19.660]  No, I said the land and property ownership transfers.
[01:11:19.660 --> 01:11:20.660]  Okay.
[01:11:20.660 --> 01:11:26.420]  So at least the land ownership is included in that statement, and it sounded to me earlier
[01:11:26.420 --> 01:11:32.340]  like you were saying that with the land patent, the acceptance of the land patent, that the
[01:11:32.340 --> 01:11:35.700]  person who is on the land patent always stays there.
[01:11:35.700 --> 01:11:37.380]  They can't grant it.
[01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:39.640]  So how does that transfer?
[01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:40.640]  What does that mean?
[01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:43.540]  Well, the reason it transfers is because, again, and I appreciate the question.
[01:11:43.540 --> 01:11:45.180]  It is really an excellent question.
[01:11:45.180 --> 01:11:49.460]  The reason why there's a little bit of a difference there is because in the treaties under which
[01:11:49.460 --> 01:11:54.780]  the land came to the United States of America, it says that the land belongs to the people.
[01:11:54.780 --> 01:12:02.100]  And so the only way a business entity can acquire land patent-secured land ownership
[01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:04.180]  is by an act of Congress.
[01:12:04.180 --> 01:12:09.840]  Otherwise, the trust is simply holding it until it can pass it to people.
[01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:16.260]  So while the trust has the right of passing the patent-secured right, it cannot execute
[01:12:16.260 --> 01:12:17.260]  patent-secured rights.
[01:12:17.260 --> 01:12:20.940]  In other words, the trust will never be an elector.
[01:12:20.940 --> 01:12:25.540]  It doesn't have the authorities that come along with land ownership, but it does hold
[01:12:25.540 --> 01:12:28.140]  it so that it can pass it.
[01:12:28.140 --> 01:12:32.080]  And then when it passes it, the trust will not continue to have it.
[01:12:32.080 --> 01:12:35.600]  It would be different because, again, when we were talking before, we were talking about
[01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:36.860]  people.
[01:12:36.860 --> 01:12:39.020]  We were talking about corporations and trust.
[01:12:39.020 --> 01:12:40.140]  That is a difference.
[01:12:40.140 --> 01:12:45.500]  They cannot, in and of themselves, own land except by an express act of Congress.
[01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:46.500]  Does that help?
[01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:47.500]  Yes.
[01:12:47.500 --> 01:12:54.940]  Are you saying that the individual human themselves cannot transfer it, but the trust can?
[01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:58.020]  Well, the trust only holds it for somebody else.
[01:12:58.020 --> 01:12:59.380]  It doesn't really...
[01:12:59.380 --> 01:13:03.540]  Trusts don't have any possession of anything.
[01:13:03.540 --> 01:13:07.260]  No title that a trust holds is the trust's own.
[01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:13.420]  The trust always holds what they hold for the beneficiary to whom it's going to be granted,
[01:13:13.420 --> 01:13:16.980]  unless it's transferred to somebody else.
[01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:21.220]  That's why when you're talking about a trust relationship, you're talking about the property,
[01:13:21.220 --> 01:13:24.460]  whether it sells it or otherwise, when you're talking about it with land, it can't sell
[01:13:24.460 --> 01:13:29.640]  it because it doesn't have any monetary value, but it transfers it so that the ownership
[01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:35.180]  that was held by people before passes them through the trust to people after.
[01:13:35.180 --> 01:13:39.220]  The trust doesn't have any ownership interest in it, and it can't maintain land ownership.
[01:13:39.220 --> 01:13:40.860]  This doesn't have the capacity.
[01:13:40.860 --> 01:13:46.540]  So even though it can be in a sign and hold it, it's holding it for its beneficiary, and
[01:13:46.540 --> 01:13:49.020]  then it can pass that to another person.
[01:13:49.020 --> 01:13:53.820]  So though a trust can do that with people, they're the inherent heirs, they're the ones
[01:13:53.820 --> 01:13:59.180]  that the territorial lands, when they were granted the United States of America, they
[01:13:59.180 --> 01:14:02.700]  were acquired initially, and the treaties themselves say that the land belongs to the
[01:14:02.700 --> 01:14:03.700]  people.
[01:14:03.700 --> 01:14:06.860]  And the Constitution says that government can't own the land, it can only hold it for
[01:14:06.860 --> 01:14:09.460]  the people, except for the pocket yards and stuff like that.
[01:14:09.460 --> 01:14:11.300]  So does that help?
[01:14:11.300 --> 01:14:14.480]  Trusts don't own anything of their own natural right.
[01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:21.580]  They hold things in what's called legal title, and the equitable title that anything that
[01:14:21.580 --> 01:14:30.540]  a trust owns belongs to the beneficiary, unless the beneficiary never receives the transfer,
[01:14:30.540 --> 01:14:34.820]  it's granted or sold or assigned to someone after the trust, at which point in time the
[01:14:34.820 --> 01:14:40.100]  trust was there in the chain, but it doesn't have any ownership or control interest, unless
[01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:41.620]  it received it by an act of Congress.
[01:14:41.620 --> 01:14:43.260]  And legal title control.
[01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:44.260]  Exactly.
[01:14:44.260 --> 01:14:46.500]  And that's the right term.
[01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:56.340]  They have legal control of the title while they hold it, but they can't execute the powers
[01:14:56.340 --> 01:15:00.520]  of the patent other than the ability to assign it to someone else.
[01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:05.580]  And so we say transfer because when they transfer it, they lose it.
[01:15:05.580 --> 01:15:07.540]  Does that make sense?
[01:15:07.540 --> 01:15:08.540]  Oh yeah.
[01:15:08.540 --> 01:15:15.020]  Again, trusts don't have the capacity to hold title to property themselves for themselves.
[01:15:15.020 --> 01:15:17.980]  That's the whole essence of what a trust is.
[01:15:17.980 --> 01:15:21.460]  That's why the United States government, when they give you the card and they say this card
[01:15:21.460 --> 01:15:26.380]  does not belong to you, that language, this card does not belong to you, secures that
[01:15:26.380 --> 01:15:31.180]  the relationship with the card is that of a trust.
[01:15:31.180 --> 01:15:34.260]  Great.
[01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:35.260]  You answered my question.
[01:15:35.260 --> 01:15:37.220]  Are you ready for the next one?
[01:15:37.220 --> 01:15:38.220]  You bet.
[01:15:38.220 --> 01:15:39.220]  Okay.
[01:15:39.220 --> 01:15:40.220]  And I'm glad you asked those.
[01:15:40.220 --> 01:15:42.740]  Both the phone call and those were excellent.
[01:15:42.740 --> 01:15:43.740]  Thank you.
[01:15:43.740 --> 01:15:50.300]  You mentioned where the city floats a bond and then people vote on it, et cetera, et
[01:15:50.300 --> 01:15:51.300]  cetera.
[01:15:51.300 --> 01:15:54.620]  What I wanted to know, and I also know that they get block grants from the Fed.
[01:15:54.620 --> 01:15:55.620]  Absolutely.
[01:15:55.620 --> 01:16:05.100]  Is that another layer of trust, if you will, that attaches to the taxpayer, if you will,
[01:16:05.100 --> 01:16:06.100]  or how does that...
[01:16:06.100 --> 01:16:10.140]  What's the nexus between the body and the tax?
[01:16:10.140 --> 01:16:11.140]  Yeah.
[01:16:11.140 --> 01:16:14.860]  Again, there's three ways that it happens.
[01:16:14.860 --> 01:16:20.100]  First of all, whether it be bond or whatever the measure is that the obligation to pay
[01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:30.460]  comes to the state, they pass it by their statutory provision to their registered voters.
[01:16:30.460 --> 01:16:31.680]  Okay?
[01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:37.420]  And when they do that, they put that in the mill levy and because you're a registered
[01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:41.060]  voter, it automatically applies to you.
[01:16:41.060 --> 01:16:45.340]  If you acquire it for someone else that already has it, then that comes to you.
[01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:48.180]  And or if they send you a bill and you pay it, then that comes to you.
[01:16:48.180 --> 01:16:49.180]  That's the three ways.
[01:16:49.180 --> 01:16:50.180]  Okay.
[01:16:50.180 --> 01:16:51.180]  Hold on.
[01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:52.180]  We're going to break.
[01:16:52.180 --> 01:16:53.180]  Gene, hold on the line and we've got Jeff from Michigan.
[01:16:53.180 --> 01:16:54.180]  We'll be right back.
[01:16:54.180 --> 01:16:55.180]  Bye.
[01:16:55.180 --> 01:16:56.180]  Hello, Austin.
[01:16:56.180 --> 01:16:57.180]  My name is Harlan Dietrich, owner of Brave New Books, a local independent bookstore here
[01:16:57.180 --> 01:16:58.180]  in town.
[01:16:58.180 --> 01:16:59.180]  Many of you are familiar with the bookstore and have attended some of our events.
[01:16:59.180 --> 01:17:00.180]  We've been proud to host speakers like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jim Mars, Catherine Albrecht,
[01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.180]  Webster Tarpley, Gia Brooke Griffin, and many other heroic figures in the Patriot movement.
[01:17:01.180 --> 01:17:02.180]  But now, Brave New Books.
[01:17:02.180 --> 01:17:03.180]  We're going to break.
[01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:04.180]  Gene, hold on the line and we've got Jeff from Michigan.
[01:17:04.180 --> 01:17:05.180]  We'll be right back.
[01:17:05.180 --> 01:17:06.180]  Bye.
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[01:19:53.180 --> 01:20:13.180]  Okay, we are here with Eric Madsen from Team Law.
[01:20:13.180 --> 01:20:16.180]  We're speaking with Gene in Wisconsin.
[01:20:16.180 --> 01:20:18.180]  Gene, go ahead.
[01:20:18.180 --> 01:20:19.180]  Okay.
[01:20:19.180 --> 01:20:23.180]  So, I'm not sure I caught that all because my phone kind of burped a little bit here,
[01:20:23.180 --> 01:20:30.180]  but did you say registered voters and if a person pays it and if it's inherited?
[01:20:30.180 --> 01:20:31.180]  No.
[01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:34.180]  I said, well, I guess you could call it that way.
[01:20:34.180 --> 01:20:40.180]  The three ways people get bound into property taxes are, one, they register to vote and
[01:20:40.180 --> 01:20:48.180]  the issue of changing the mill rate levy that sets the base for property taxes is elemental
[01:20:48.180 --> 01:20:53.180]  to that voter's registration and the acts that are passed twice every year.
[01:20:53.180 --> 01:20:57.180]  So, there's two elections every year, the November election and the election when the
[01:20:57.180 --> 01:21:01.180]  primaries take place, whenever it is, and most of the bond issues really come in the
[01:21:01.180 --> 01:21:06.180]  first one, but that's when that happens and that's tied to the registration to vote.
[01:21:06.180 --> 01:21:11.180]  Second way, you go acquire a piece of property and the seller says, I'll pay the property
[01:21:11.180 --> 01:21:16.180]  taxes for the part of the deer up until the time of the sale and you'll pay the property
[01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:18.180]  taxes from then on.
[01:21:18.180 --> 01:21:21.180]  When you make that agreement, you agree to the property tax terms and conditions and
[01:21:21.180 --> 01:21:23.180]  now you're bound to the contract.
[01:21:23.180 --> 01:21:27.180]  And the other way is they send you a bill and you pay the bill.
[01:21:27.180 --> 01:21:30.180]  When they send you the bill and you pay the bill, you accept and ascend the terms and
[01:21:30.180 --> 01:21:33.180]  conditions of the contract by novation.
[01:21:33.180 --> 01:21:39.180]  So, by novation, by contract in the purchase in the property and or by contract when you
[01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:41.180]  do the registration to vote.
[01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:44.180]  Those are the three ways property taxes apply and it's always contractual.
[01:21:44.180 --> 01:21:45.180]  It's never any other means.
[01:21:45.180 --> 01:21:51.180]  Once you get bound to the contract, then what they say in the court system when they say
[01:21:51.180 --> 01:21:53.180]  it's not contractual, it's statutory.
[01:21:53.180 --> 01:21:55.180]  Yeah, once you're in the contract, it's statutory.
[01:21:55.180 --> 01:22:00.180]  It's controlled statutorily, but to get into the statutory construct, you've got to enter
[01:22:00.180 --> 01:22:01.180]  by contract.
[01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:04.180]  Okay, so let me ask something here.
[01:22:04.180 --> 01:22:10.180]  How does, if somebody acquires their acceptance of their land patent, how can that be used
[01:22:10.180 --> 01:22:19.180]  to revoke or annul whatever kind of terminology that you believe is appropriate to remove
[01:22:19.180 --> 01:22:20.180]  themselves from the contract?
[01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:23.180]  Because what if somebody had bought a piece of property and they've been paying taxes
[01:22:23.180 --> 01:22:24.180]  on it?
[01:22:24.180 --> 01:22:25.180]  It cannot be used.
[01:22:25.180 --> 01:22:26.180]  I said this from the very beginning.
[01:22:26.180 --> 01:22:31.180]  From the very beginning and on our documents everywhere, the Patriot community grabs hold
[01:22:31.180 --> 01:22:38.180]  of the issue where it says the land controlled by land patent cannot be subject to debt or
[01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:39.180]  taxes.
[01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:40.180]  That's true.
[01:22:40.180 --> 01:22:47.180]  The land cannot, but the property appurtenant to the land can be, and that's all done contractually.
[01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:54.180]  And again, the land patent has nothing whatsoever to do with and cannot interfere with your
[01:22:54.180 --> 01:22:55.180]  right to contract.
[01:22:55.180 --> 01:22:59.180]  If you want to enter into a contract for a mortgage or property tax or anything else
[01:22:59.180 --> 01:23:09.180]  and say you will secure that obligation by paying the bill or by surrendering your property
[01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:14.180]  to auction so that the auction can pay for the bill, that's your private contract and
[01:23:14.180 --> 01:23:19.180]  the land patent will never stop you from doing it and it won't save your property from that
[01:23:19.180 --> 01:23:25.180]  process and there is nothing you can do with the land patent to make that happen and thinking
[01:23:25.180 --> 01:23:27.180]  that you can, you're dealing with something else.
[01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:29.180]  No, I wasn't thinking that I could.
[01:23:29.180 --> 01:23:31.180]  I was just asking if you could.
[01:23:31.180 --> 01:23:32.180]  I know.
[01:23:32.180 --> 01:23:33.180]  I'm telling you.
[01:23:33.180 --> 01:23:34.180]  It has nothing to do with it.
[01:23:34.180 --> 01:23:36.180]  The land patent does one thing and one thing only.
[01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:39.180]  It secures the title to the land.
[01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:45.180]  It does not affect the property appurtenant to the land if you want to privately contract
[01:23:45.180 --> 01:23:46.180]  it otherwise.
[01:23:46.180 --> 01:23:51.180]  Now, there are a lot of things that you can do with it, but I can't go into the details
[01:23:51.180 --> 01:23:55.180]  with that with you here on this call because you're not team law beneficiaries.
[01:23:55.180 --> 01:23:57.180]  The only place where I can deal with that is as a team law beneficiary.
[01:23:57.180 --> 01:23:58.180]  Okay, that's fine.
[01:23:58.180 --> 01:24:00.180]  You can learn how to do that on our website.
[01:24:00.180 --> 01:24:01.180]  Okay, that's fine.
[01:24:01.180 --> 01:24:06.180]  So what you're saying is acquiring the land patent will not help someone in any way whatsoever
[01:24:06.180 --> 01:24:10.180]  to deal with the contractual obligations of the property.
[01:24:10.180 --> 01:24:11.180]  Is that what you're saying?
[01:24:11.180 --> 01:24:12.180]  That's an absolute fact.
[01:24:12.180 --> 01:24:14.180]  Okay, that's what I wanted to say.
[01:24:14.180 --> 01:24:18.180]  The land patent will not interfere with the contract, no matter what.
[01:24:18.180 --> 01:24:21.180]  No matter who says it, no matter where they get it from, I don't care.
[01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:27.180]  It doesn't matter in law, the land patent will not interfere with your right to contract.
[01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:33.180]  If you contract for a property tax or for a mortgage, you're subject to the terms and
[01:24:33.180 --> 01:24:37.180]  conditions of that contract unless you get rid of it.
[01:24:37.180 --> 01:24:39.180]  And everybody knows how to get rid of property taxes.
[01:24:39.180 --> 01:24:42.180]  It's the easiest thing in the face of the planet.
[01:24:42.180 --> 01:24:44.180]  Everybody knows how to get rid of property taxes.
[01:24:44.180 --> 01:24:45.180]  You sell the property.
[01:24:45.180 --> 01:24:47.180]  That's how you get rid of property taxes.
[01:24:47.180 --> 01:24:48.180]  You sell the property.
[01:24:48.180 --> 01:24:51.180]  Now, the question is...
[01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:52.180]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:24:52.180 --> 01:24:54.180]  Let me ask you another question.
[01:24:54.180 --> 01:25:00.180]  Will getting the land patent help somebody annul the contract that they entered into
[01:25:00.180 --> 01:25:03.180]  involuntarily, an unbeknownstly?
[01:25:03.180 --> 01:25:07.180]  There is no such thing.
[01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:11.180]  It's impossible to enter into a contract unknowingly or unbeknownst to you.
[01:25:11.180 --> 01:25:12.180]  It's impossible.
[01:25:12.180 --> 01:25:14.180]  The only way you can enter a contract is by...
[01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:18.180]  Well, if there was no disclosure, then yes, there is.
[01:25:18.180 --> 01:25:20.180]  Knowing, willing, consent.
[01:25:20.180 --> 01:25:23.180]  If there was no disclosure, there was no knowing, willing, consent and you're not a part of
[01:25:23.180 --> 01:25:24.180]  the contract.
[01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:26.180]  Without full disclosure, there can be partial disclosure.
[01:25:26.180 --> 01:25:27.180]  That's right.
[01:25:27.180 --> 01:25:29.180]  Knowing, willing, consent.
[01:25:29.180 --> 01:25:31.180]  You have to have knowing, willing, consent.
[01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:33.180]  You can't have knowing, willing, consent without full disclosure.
[01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:35.180]  Of course you can.
[01:25:35.180 --> 01:25:38.180]  Well then, you can have apparent consent.
[01:25:38.180 --> 01:25:40.180]  Well, you can have the apparent consent, absolutely.
[01:25:40.180 --> 01:25:45.620]  Absolutely, which is why, again, you have to raise a contest against it.
[01:25:45.620 --> 01:25:47.600]  You're making an esoteric argument.
[01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:53.580]  You're saying that if a person enters into a contract, he necessarily had full disclosure.
[01:25:53.580 --> 01:25:55.380]  No, I didn't say that.
[01:25:55.380 --> 01:26:00.500]  I say you have to have full disclosure, or you can't enter into a contract.
[01:26:00.500 --> 01:26:04.740]  So I have the appearance of being engaged in a contract.
[01:26:04.740 --> 01:26:08.700]  Absolutely, and you might have full belief that you're engaged in the contract, but you
[01:26:08.700 --> 01:26:09.700]  didn't know the detail.
[01:26:09.700 --> 01:26:11.580]  Well, they're going to act like I'm engaged in the contract.
[01:26:11.580 --> 01:26:12.580]  That is correct.
[01:26:12.580 --> 01:26:15.500]  They're going to act like they're going to take my property and sell it on the courthouse
[01:26:15.500 --> 01:26:17.540]  steps, and it's really going to look like that.
[01:26:17.540 --> 01:26:19.020]  Then it's going to really be that.
[01:26:19.020 --> 01:26:20.020]  I don't deal with that.
[01:26:20.020 --> 01:26:21.900]  No, no, it's really going to be that.
[01:26:21.900 --> 01:26:24.860]  The problem is you're presenting another issue.
[01:26:24.860 --> 01:26:27.480]  You're saying that they didn't give you full disclosure.
[01:26:27.480 --> 01:26:31.220]  If they didn't give you full disclosure, when you discover that they didn't give you full
[01:26:31.220 --> 01:26:34.940]  disclosure, you have remedy to go after the lack of disclosure.
[01:26:34.940 --> 01:26:35.940]  That's the question we ask.
[01:26:35.940 --> 01:26:37.860]  But you have to go after the lack of disclosure.
[01:26:37.860 --> 01:26:45.660]  How do we go to the issue of lack of full disclosure and rescind the contract, or what
[01:26:45.660 --> 01:26:47.660]  we call rescission of the contract?
[01:26:47.660 --> 01:26:49.380]  You can't rescind the contract.
[01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:55.340]  You challenge the contract in a case called fraud and the inducement.
[01:26:55.340 --> 01:26:58.940]  If they did not give you full disclosure, that constitutes fraud and the inducement.
[01:26:58.940 --> 01:27:02.260]  You just prove fraud and the inducement, and you just won your case.
[01:27:02.260 --> 01:27:05.780]  Not easy to prove fraud in any case, but that's all you have to do.
[01:27:05.780 --> 01:27:10.340]  But fraud by non-disclosure is not so difficult to prove.
[01:27:10.340 --> 01:27:15.580]  No, that's not so difficult to prove if, in fact, there's no disclosure.
[01:27:15.580 --> 01:27:21.100]  See, when you're dealing with fraud by non-disclosure, you're trying to prove the lack of existence
[01:27:21.100 --> 01:27:22.100]  of something.
[01:27:22.100 --> 01:27:26.780]  It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist.
[01:27:26.780 --> 01:27:30.940]  It's not impossible to prove that something does exist.
[01:27:30.940 --> 01:27:31.940]  That's correct.
[01:27:31.940 --> 01:27:34.540]  And that the existence was not fully disclosed.
[01:27:34.540 --> 01:27:36.060]  That's correct.
[01:27:36.060 --> 01:27:42.060]  When an actor gives partial disclosure, he's bound to give full disclosure.
[01:27:42.060 --> 01:27:43.620]  And that's the remedy.
[01:27:43.620 --> 01:27:44.620]  And that's the remedy.
[01:27:44.620 --> 01:27:45.700]  And that we can prove.
[01:27:45.700 --> 01:27:46.700]  And that's the remedy.
[01:27:46.700 --> 01:27:51.700]  When people make, for example, people are all the time saying, well, and the appearance,
[01:27:51.700 --> 01:27:54.940]  when you learn about what the relationship is with social demonstration, the first thought
[01:27:54.940 --> 01:27:57.180]  is, well, we've got to get out of that.
[01:27:57.180 --> 01:27:59.020]  We've got to find out, we've just got to get out.
[01:27:59.020 --> 01:28:02.420]  The answer to that is no, that is not the answer.
[01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:07.740]  Getting out of that relationship, once that relationship is in place, isn't even a functional
[01:28:07.740 --> 01:28:08.740]  possibility.
[01:28:08.740 --> 01:28:09.740]  It's recognized.
[01:28:09.740 --> 01:28:12.940]  Again, they say, well, we didn't have full disclosure.
[01:28:12.940 --> 01:28:17.460]  Yes, you did have full disclosure because they published it all in their act and in
[01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:18.740]  everything that went along with it.
[01:28:18.740 --> 01:28:19.740]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:28:19.740 --> 01:28:20.740]  Hold on.
[01:28:20.740 --> 01:28:21.740]  Hold on.
[01:28:21.740 --> 01:28:22.740]  Okay, hold on.
[01:28:22.740 --> 01:28:23.740]  I have another question.
[01:28:23.740 --> 01:28:29.740]  If someone acquires their acceptance of land patent, can that be used to establish some
[01:28:29.740 --> 01:28:36.320]  kind of a legal or lawful basis that they have a private ownership of their property,
[01:28:36.320 --> 01:28:40.740]  that their property is private property rather than real property?
[01:28:40.740 --> 01:28:43.580]  So let me ask you a question that relates to that.
[01:28:43.580 --> 01:28:44.580]  Okay?
[01:28:44.580 --> 01:28:46.380]  I appreciate that question.
[01:28:46.380 --> 01:28:52.500]  The next question is, okay, is this thing that they did to acquire the ownership of
[01:28:52.500 --> 01:28:57.860]  the property in its first instance related to the question that you're asking?
[01:28:57.860 --> 01:28:58.860]  Not necessarily.
[01:28:58.860 --> 01:29:04.100]  Okay, because if you're talking about they went out and borrowed funds from a bank in
[01:29:04.100 --> 01:29:08.860]  order to purchase a piece of property, and then they got the grant on the land and the
[01:29:08.860 --> 01:29:15.540]  property bargained, sold, and conveyed based upon the fact that they had the relationship
[01:29:15.540 --> 01:29:18.620]  with the bank.
[01:29:18.620 --> 01:29:24.540]  And now you want to go back and say that you have the ownership of the land, and that's
[01:29:24.540 --> 01:29:27.940]  your control over the relationship on the mortgage.
[01:29:27.940 --> 01:29:31.460]  You see, they didn't even get to have the relationship on the mortgage or acquire the
[01:29:31.460 --> 01:29:32.460]  land.
[01:29:32.460 --> 01:29:33.460]  No, no.
[01:29:33.460 --> 01:29:34.620]  I'm not talking about the mortgage.
[01:29:34.620 --> 01:29:41.820]  I'm talking about whether the property is classified as real property or private property.
[01:29:41.820 --> 01:29:45.460]  This is getting a lot more interesting.
[01:29:45.460 --> 01:29:47.260]  Private property are the same.
[01:29:47.260 --> 01:29:48.700]  No, they're not the same.
[01:29:48.700 --> 01:29:49.700]  Okay.
[01:29:49.700 --> 01:29:50.700]  Okay.
[01:29:50.700 --> 01:29:51.700]  We're going to break.
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[01:31:28.860 --> 01:31:49.180]  Okay, and Jean, Jeff, just just hold on a second because what we're really trying to
[01:31:49.180 --> 01:31:54.780]  get to is the issue concerning how can someone getting the acceptance of their land patent
[01:31:54.780 --> 01:31:56.980]  help them deal with these issues in their life.
[01:31:56.980 --> 01:32:02.020]  And at least here in this state, in this county, the classifications of property as private
[01:32:02.020 --> 01:32:05.820]  property versus real property are two very different things.
[01:32:05.820 --> 01:32:13.540]  Now private property can also be real property, but private property is not necessarily real
[01:32:13.540 --> 01:32:14.540]  property.
[01:32:14.540 --> 01:32:19.540]  Now real property can be taxed as property tax on the tax roll.
[01:32:19.540 --> 01:32:26.100]  Private property cannot, and so the goal is to get your property classified as private
[01:32:26.100 --> 01:32:31.260]  property so that you can demand under law that it be removed from the tax roll.
[01:32:31.260 --> 01:32:38.060]  And so the real question is how can someone acquiring the acceptance of their land patent,
[01:32:38.060 --> 01:32:43.700]  can it or can it not be, and if it can be, how can that help someone get their property
[01:32:43.700 --> 01:32:49.000]  classified as strictly private property so that they can then get a court order to have
[01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.460]  it removed from the tax roll?
[01:32:51.460 --> 01:32:52.460]  That's the real question.
[01:32:52.460 --> 01:32:59.620]  The other thing you're going to have to do to legitimately have private property is to
[01:32:59.620 --> 01:33:05.100]  go through a process like the team law land patent sandwich process to secure the property
[01:33:05.100 --> 01:33:07.740]  from the trust that was created by social security administration.
[01:33:07.740 --> 01:33:13.300]  Because as long as it's owned by that trust, it is not private property, and I don't care
[01:33:13.300 --> 01:33:14.300]  when you're dealing.
[01:33:14.300 --> 01:33:17.380]  Now the other issue when you're dealing with that private property issue is when you're
[01:33:17.380 --> 01:33:21.340]  talking about in the venue that you're in, the private property and real property issue
[01:33:21.340 --> 01:33:25.140]  that you're discussing is an element of statutory construct.
[01:33:25.140 --> 01:33:29.580]  So you'd have to actually go to the statute and see what that construct applies to.
[01:33:29.580 --> 01:33:35.340]  When I'm talking about the term private property and or real property, real property is tangible
[01:33:35.340 --> 01:33:36.340]  property.
[01:33:36.340 --> 01:33:39.180]  Private property is property that is private.
[01:33:39.180 --> 01:33:42.100]  Real property may be private, and then again it may not.
[01:33:42.100 --> 01:33:49.020]  If real property is owned or any other property is owned even privately by one of those trusts
[01:33:49.020 --> 01:33:52.540]  created by social security administration, taxpayer identification number in relationship
[01:33:52.540 --> 01:33:54.260]  to it.
[01:33:54.260 --> 01:33:58.420]  If property is owned by one of those, then it is no matter what, not private property
[01:33:58.420 --> 01:34:02.620]  is property owned by the United States government through its agency trust.
[01:34:02.620 --> 01:34:03.620]  Bottom line, no answer, but.
[01:34:03.620 --> 01:34:07.660]  Okay, this brings up a question that's been nagging at me.
[01:34:07.660 --> 01:34:10.460]  I did not apply for a social security number.
[01:34:10.460 --> 01:34:11.460]  You too.
[01:34:11.460 --> 01:34:12.460]  Yeah, I did.
[01:34:12.460 --> 01:34:13.460]  Me too.
[01:34:13.460 --> 01:34:14.460]  Forget that question.
[01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:24.180]  I have another question, so what you're saying is that a property cannot be, you cannot get
[01:34:24.180 --> 01:34:29.220]  your property declared as private property if it's somehow held in this trust of the
[01:34:29.220 --> 01:34:30.220]  social security administration.
[01:34:30.220 --> 01:34:31.220]  Is that what you're saying?
[01:34:31.220 --> 01:34:35.300]  If you have a taxpayer identification number attached to the property, even if the state
[01:34:35.300 --> 01:34:40.300]  statute is saying that you can have private property and real property in those relations
[01:34:40.300 --> 01:34:45.880]  like you're talking about, in real life and in the United States of America, that property
[01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:50.980]  will never be private property because it's property held in trust for the United States
[01:34:50.980 --> 01:34:51.980]  government.
[01:34:51.980 --> 01:34:52.980]  Okay, so.
[01:34:52.980 --> 01:34:56.820]  If you have a taxpayer identification number on it, then it is real property owned or private
[01:34:56.820 --> 01:35:02.340]  property or whatever owned by the United States government and you are simply the agent managing
[01:35:02.340 --> 01:35:03.340]  and controlling it.
[01:35:03.340 --> 01:35:09.140]  Again, you want to see the whole elements of that, go to teamlaw.net, go down to the
[01:35:09.140 --> 01:35:15.100]  Patriot Mythology link on the left-hand side, click on that, go down to Myth 22, click on
[01:35:15.100 --> 01:35:16.900]  that and read the entire thing.
[01:35:16.900 --> 01:35:21.100]  There's seven elements of facts you have to understand.
[01:35:21.100 --> 01:35:25.580]  When you get to them, if you think, oh, I know that, don't even tempt yourself to go
[01:35:25.580 --> 01:35:26.580]  by.
[01:35:26.580 --> 01:35:29.900]  Stop and read every one of them, go all the way through it and then go to the next one.
[01:35:29.900 --> 01:35:34.100]  Go through those seven elements and then go the rest of the myth and you can have a significant
[01:35:34.100 --> 01:35:35.100]  understanding of that.
[01:35:35.100 --> 01:35:36.100]  Okay, okay, wonderful.
[01:35:36.100 --> 01:35:38.700]  Let's continue with the callers because we only have a half an hour left.
[01:35:38.700 --> 01:35:42.020]  Okay, Gene, what do you have?
[01:35:42.020 --> 01:35:46.140]  The way they do it up here is when you get a mortgage on a house, that's exactly what
[01:35:46.140 --> 01:35:47.140]  they do.
[01:35:47.140 --> 01:35:49.620]  You mentioned it earlier, but you didn't elaborate on it.
[01:35:49.620 --> 01:35:56.020]  The seller pays up until the sale and then the next person takes over.
[01:35:56.020 --> 01:36:00.220]  That's exactly the way all the loans are done up here that I've seen.
[01:36:00.220 --> 01:36:01.220]  How do you get out of that?
[01:36:01.220 --> 01:36:03.740]  Is there a way to get out of that or is that like a lot?
[01:36:03.740 --> 01:36:04.740]  Well, yeah.
[01:36:04.740 --> 01:36:07.780]  When you write the contract, you write that the buyer agrees to buy it and the seller
[01:36:07.780 --> 01:36:08.780]  agrees to sell it.
[01:36:08.780 --> 01:36:09.780]  This is a two-party agreement.
[01:36:09.780 --> 01:36:11.540]  The buyer and the seller are the only parties to the agreement.
[01:36:11.540 --> 01:36:15.580]  When it comes down to an issue that you reference to the property taxes, which is a wise thing
[01:36:15.580 --> 01:36:19.100]  to have in it, it says that the seller will pay the property taxes that they agreed to
[01:36:19.100 --> 01:36:21.100]  with the assessment at the beginning of the year.
[01:36:21.100 --> 01:36:26.220]  The seller will pay the entire taxes and the buyer will not pay any taxes and this does
[01:36:26.220 --> 01:36:30.460]  not offend or assume any tax relation with the relation to the property at all.
[01:36:30.460 --> 01:36:31.980]  Same thing for the homeowner association.
[01:36:31.980 --> 01:36:36.340]  You asked offline, homeowner association, you enter into the relationship up front and
[01:36:36.340 --> 01:36:39.780]  you say to the seller, you say, what do you care about this homeowner association after
[01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:40.780]  you're gone?
[01:36:40.780 --> 01:36:41.780]  You say, well, I don't care at all.
[01:36:41.780 --> 01:36:44.780]  Well, doesn't the homeowner association say you have to pass it to somebody else?
[01:36:44.780 --> 01:36:45.780]  Yeah, it does.
[01:36:45.780 --> 01:36:46.780]  Okay.
[01:36:46.780 --> 01:36:50.740]  Well, doesn't it say if you violate any of the terms and conditions of this contract,
[01:36:50.740 --> 01:36:51.740]  you have to pay a fine?
[01:36:51.740 --> 01:36:52.740]  It says, yeah, it does.
[01:36:52.740 --> 01:36:55.540]  And if you don't pay the fine, it doesn't say you can lien or levy the property?
[01:36:55.540 --> 01:36:56.540]  Yeah, it does.
[01:36:56.540 --> 01:37:02.260]  Say, okay, so if you sell the property to us and don't convey the homeowner association
[01:37:02.260 --> 01:37:04.420]  to us, wouldn't that be a violation of the contract?
[01:37:04.420 --> 01:37:05.420]  And they say, yeah.
[01:37:05.420 --> 01:37:08.620]  They say, well, then wouldn't that increase your, you know, wouldn't you have to pay the
[01:37:08.620 --> 01:37:09.620]  fine of that amount?
[01:37:09.620 --> 01:37:12.860]  And they say, yeah, once you paid the fine, would they be able to lien your property?
[01:37:12.860 --> 01:37:13.860]  No.
[01:37:13.860 --> 01:37:14.860]  Okay.
[01:37:14.860 --> 01:37:18.900]  So add the fine to the cost of the property, we'll pay the extra amount for the property,
[01:37:18.900 --> 01:37:24.060]  don't convey it to us, sell the property to us and pay your fine.
[01:37:24.060 --> 01:37:25.060]  I like that.
[01:37:25.060 --> 01:37:26.060]  See you later.
[01:37:26.060 --> 01:37:27.700]  No more homeowner association.
[01:37:27.700 --> 01:37:35.380]  So if I entered into a contract of sale and I subsequently find that the mortgage company
[01:37:35.380 --> 01:37:47.340]  perpetrated fraud in the preparation of the contract and I rescind the contract.
[01:37:47.340 --> 01:37:48.700]  You can't resend the contract.
[01:37:48.700 --> 01:37:51.540]  Don't resend a contract when they perpetrate fraud.
[01:37:51.540 --> 01:37:53.040]  Go after them for fraud.
[01:37:53.040 --> 01:37:56.700]  If you try to resend the contract, all you do is accelerate the mortgage and you'll lose
[01:37:56.700 --> 01:38:01.120]  the property because when you try to resend the contract, they don't agree to it.
[01:38:01.120 --> 01:38:04.060]  You admit to your signature by resending.
[01:38:04.060 --> 01:38:11.500]  The effort to resend a thing is you're saying, I signed this and now I don't want to have
[01:38:11.500 --> 01:38:13.860]  signed it, so I'm removing that.
[01:38:13.860 --> 01:38:19.180]  They say, no, we don't agree, then you just admitted that you signed it and now you're
[01:38:19.180 --> 01:38:20.180]  bound by it.
[01:38:20.180 --> 01:38:21.180]  Resending doesn't work.
[01:38:21.180 --> 01:38:22.180]  Well, you already signed it.
[01:38:22.180 --> 01:38:23.180]  That's not a question.
[01:38:23.180 --> 01:38:24.180]  No, you did not sign it.
[01:38:24.180 --> 01:38:25.180]  That's not something for consideration.
[01:38:25.180 --> 01:38:30.940]  What you're stating is that you signed it without full disclosure.
[01:38:30.940 --> 01:38:34.780]  They didn't disclose to you that they were committing fraud in the process of signing
[01:38:34.780 --> 01:38:35.780]  it.
[01:38:35.780 --> 01:38:38.420]  Again, that's lack of disclosure.
[01:38:38.420 --> 01:38:39.520]  That's not rescinding.
[01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.660]  You didn't sign because you didn't have disclosure.
[01:38:42.660 --> 01:38:46.380]  You can't possibly have signed because you didn't have disclosure.
[01:38:46.380 --> 01:38:51.860]  It's an element of signature, so you go after them for fraud and the inducement.
[01:38:51.860 --> 01:38:59.820]  That's part of the process is you go after them for fraud and one of the things I do
[01:38:59.820 --> 01:39:06.140]  and what I do is I calculate the amount of fraud that would have accrued had their plan
[01:39:06.140 --> 01:39:08.900]  ran to fruition.
[01:39:08.900 --> 01:39:14.140]  I sue them for triple the amount of fraud they would have extracted from me had it ran
[01:39:14.140 --> 01:39:19.140]  to fruition, which generally comes to more than the amount of the mortgage in the first
[01:39:19.140 --> 01:39:20.140]  place.
[01:39:20.140 --> 01:39:25.960]  Then I rescind the contract altogether and you have to give me back every dime I have
[01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:31.860]  given you, you get the property back and I get first option of repurchasing the property
[01:39:31.860 --> 01:39:34.780]  at current value at current prime.
[01:39:34.780 --> 01:39:43.120]  Okay, but that still doesn't address the issue of getting the property classified as private
[01:39:43.120 --> 01:39:45.780]  property to have it taken off the tax roll.
[01:39:45.780 --> 01:39:47.980]  Now the contract is gone.
[01:39:47.980 --> 01:39:55.060]  Now we come back and now the whole thing starts all over again and I know what I'm doing this
[01:39:55.060 --> 01:39:56.060]  time.
[01:39:56.060 --> 01:39:59.580]  I don't agree to pay the property taxes.
[01:39:59.580 --> 01:40:03.700]  Knowing what you're doing is helpful and that's why again most of these things you're talking
[01:40:03.700 --> 01:40:08.220]  about, about what to do after you've done something wrong is nowhere near as powerful
[01:40:08.220 --> 01:40:13.620]  or as effective as knowing how to do it right in the first place and then following that
[01:40:13.620 --> 01:40:14.620]  properly.
[01:40:14.620 --> 01:40:15.620]  Precisely.
[01:40:15.620 --> 01:40:20.020]  The problem is 90% of our people out there are already stuck in the mud.
[01:40:20.020 --> 01:40:22.140]  Well that's where they got the wake up call.
[01:40:22.140 --> 01:40:23.140]  Right.
[01:40:23.140 --> 01:40:26.140]  Now they're stuck in the mud and that woke them up.
[01:40:26.140 --> 01:40:27.860]  Now they want to get out of the mud.
[01:40:27.860 --> 01:40:28.860]  Yeah.
[01:40:28.860 --> 01:40:33.820]  Well what about the houses that are paid off and this is the way it transpired where the
[01:40:33.820 --> 01:40:36.620]  sellers paid for your stock in the mud.
[01:40:36.620 --> 01:40:45.180]  The statute of fraud told until you discover the fraud because the nature of fraud is for
[01:40:45.180 --> 01:40:46.180]  it to be hidden.
[01:40:46.180 --> 01:40:47.180]  Don't say the statute of fraud, just say fraud.
[01:40:47.180 --> 01:40:52.180]  Because when you say statute of fraud, that's a descriptive term in and of itself.
[01:40:52.180 --> 01:40:56.780]  Which means we can go back after the state for all the traffic tickets they've ever written.
[01:40:56.780 --> 01:41:09.260]  Well it's a nice idea but it doesn't work that way because remedy and fraud only has
[01:41:09.260 --> 01:41:16.620]  a lack of statute of limitations until you discover remedy and if the potential for the
[01:41:16.620 --> 01:41:20.820]  discovery of the remedy was in front of you all along but you just didn't do what you
[01:41:20.820 --> 01:41:22.300]  need to do to do it.
[01:41:22.300 --> 01:41:23.300]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:41:23.300 --> 01:41:24.300]  There's no statute.
[01:41:24.300 --> 01:41:25.300]  No, no.
[01:41:25.300 --> 01:41:31.740]  It's not discover remedy that the statute told when you discover fraud.
[01:41:31.740 --> 01:41:34.740]  Well yeah, when you discover fraud, that's correct.
[01:41:34.740 --> 01:41:35.740]  Remedy would be longer.
[01:41:35.740 --> 01:41:38.460]  It would be nice if it went to remedy, yeah.
[01:41:38.460 --> 01:41:39.460]  You're right.
[01:41:39.460 --> 01:41:41.460]  I said it wrong.
[01:41:41.460 --> 01:41:44.780]  When you discover it, then you generally have four years.
[01:41:44.780 --> 01:41:45.780]  That's kind of the standard.
[01:41:45.780 --> 01:41:47.820]  Well it depends on the venue.
[01:41:47.820 --> 01:41:52.060]  Some places it's one, some places it's 18 months, some places it's two.
[01:41:52.060 --> 01:41:54.380]  I have a game place where it's four but I guess that's where you are.
[01:41:54.380 --> 01:41:55.380]  It does vary.
[01:41:55.380 --> 01:41:57.060]  You've got to go to statute and see what it is.
[01:41:57.060 --> 01:42:01.100]  So when you discover it, then you need to get on the ball and no screwing around.
[01:42:01.100 --> 01:42:02.100]  That's right, that's right.
[01:42:02.100 --> 01:42:04.460]  Get down and do your homework.
[01:42:04.460 --> 01:42:06.880]  And frankly that's what our show is all about.
[01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:15.240]  And the purpose of team law is to help people learn how to learn how to learn the law correctly
[01:42:15.240 --> 01:42:16.620]  and apply it correctly.
[01:42:16.620 --> 01:42:18.540]  We don't do their work for them.
[01:42:18.540 --> 01:42:20.300]  We don't tell them what to do.
[01:42:20.300 --> 01:42:22.140]  We don't tell them how to do it.
[01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:26.820]  We show them how to learn how to do it for themselves.
[01:42:26.820 --> 01:42:32.580]  And then as they're applying it, we have a document review process and things of that
[01:42:32.580 --> 01:42:38.820]  nature where they can run that through our document review process and as they do, we
[01:42:38.820 --> 01:42:44.620]  go over and linguistically help them learn how to adjust the document so it will have
[01:42:44.620 --> 01:42:47.140]  the effect that they desire and intend.
[01:42:47.140 --> 01:42:53.140]  And so with those functions, we have a remedy that remedies the problem that we have in
[01:42:53.140 --> 01:42:56.260]  our country and the problem is ignorance.
[01:42:56.260 --> 01:43:01.420]  It's not a matter of the laws are corrupt, it's not a matter of even the corporate nature.
[01:43:01.420 --> 01:43:04.940]  Generally when you say ignorant, people are insulted by that.
[01:43:04.940 --> 01:43:12.020]  And a lot of people on this program think I'm pretty smart, but I'm going to tell you
[01:43:12.020 --> 01:43:17.220]  I'm only smart in one tiny little place and every place else I'm ignorant.
[01:43:17.220 --> 01:43:20.100]  I'm not ashamed of that.
[01:43:20.100 --> 01:43:24.140]  We all have our strengths and where we don't have our strengths, we have our ignorance.
[01:43:24.140 --> 01:43:25.140]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:43:25.140 --> 01:43:26.140]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:43:26.140 --> 01:43:28.820]  I have to interrupt here because we have a show, there's a time clock.
[01:43:28.820 --> 01:43:31.460]  We're about to go to break.
[01:43:31.460 --> 01:43:36.140]  Can you stay with us another half hour or so past midnight because the caller board
[01:43:36.140 --> 01:43:37.500]  is stacking up?
[01:43:37.500 --> 01:43:39.380]  Well, I try.
[01:43:39.380 --> 01:43:40.380]  You can try.
[01:43:40.380 --> 01:43:41.380]  Okay.
[01:43:41.380 --> 01:43:42.380]  If you fall asleep, we'll get out of here.
[01:43:42.380 --> 01:43:43.380]  We'll try to take as many calls as we can.
[01:43:43.380 --> 01:43:44.380]  I won't fall asleep.
[01:43:44.380 --> 01:43:45.380]  I'm wide awake.
[01:43:45.380 --> 01:43:46.380]  Okay.
[01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:51.380]  Gene, can you, do you need to hang on or can we move on?
[01:43:51.380 --> 01:43:52.380]  Yeah.
[01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:54.380]  My question wasn't quite answered.
[01:43:54.380 --> 01:43:55.380]  Okay.
[01:43:55.380 --> 01:43:56.380]  Okay.
[01:43:56.380 --> 01:43:57.380]  Hang on.
[01:43:57.380 --> 01:43:58.380]  Okay.
[01:43:58.380 --> 01:43:59.380]  Okay.
[01:43:59.380 --> 01:44:06.380]  We'll be right back.
[01:44:06.380 --> 01:44:16.380]  We'll be right back.
[01:44:16.380 --> 01:44:43.380]  We'll be right back.
[01:44:43.380 --> 01:45:11.380]  Thank you.
[01:45:13.380 --> 01:45:37.380]  Okay.
[01:45:37.380 --> 01:45:38.380]  We're back.
[01:45:38.380 --> 01:45:39.380]  We've got a bunch of callers on the board.
[01:45:39.380 --> 01:45:44.580]  We're going to try to take as many calls as we can in as short a time as possible because
[01:45:44.580 --> 01:45:49.780]  our guests cannot stay much later after midnight.
[01:45:49.780 --> 01:45:52.620]  So Gene, quickly, let's try to keep this concise.
[01:45:52.620 --> 01:45:55.620]  Everybody try to keep this concise because we've got four other people.
[01:45:55.620 --> 01:45:59.500]  Eric, you addressed, you know, when I asked the question about the seller says they'll
[01:45:59.500 --> 01:46:05.580]  pay after the sale, I believe you addressed it from the standpoint of an existing mortgage.
[01:46:05.580 --> 01:46:09.580]  What I was talking about was where the mortgage is already paid off.
[01:46:09.580 --> 01:46:10.580]  Okay.
[01:46:10.580 --> 01:46:14.540]  And it's all long gone history and the taxes have been being paid every year.
[01:46:14.540 --> 01:46:18.260]  And then all of a sudden, Hey, wait a minute, you know, now you want to get out of paying
[01:46:18.260 --> 01:46:19.260]  the taxes.
[01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:20.260]  Okay.
[01:46:20.260 --> 01:46:21.260]  Tell the property.
[01:46:21.260 --> 01:46:22.260]  Pardon me?
[01:46:22.260 --> 01:46:23.260]  Tell the property.
[01:46:23.260 --> 01:46:25.660]  There's other ways you can do it, but that's the easiest.
[01:46:25.660 --> 01:46:26.660]  That's the fastest.
[01:46:26.660 --> 01:46:27.660]  That's the best.
[01:46:27.660 --> 01:46:28.660]  Tell the property.
[01:46:28.660 --> 01:46:31.940]  When you say that, when you say that, they say, well, I don't want to sell a property
[01:46:31.940 --> 01:46:35.140]  and say, well, then you don't understand the law.
[01:46:35.140 --> 01:46:36.140]  It's really simple.
[01:46:36.140 --> 01:46:39.620]  As a matter of fact, if you go back to God's law and that's the basis of all of it, you
[01:46:39.620 --> 01:46:43.660]  go to the first law that he ever gave man, be fruitful and multiply replenishments to
[01:46:43.660 --> 01:46:44.660]  do the earth.
[01:46:44.660 --> 01:46:46.380]  That was the first law of man ever received.
[01:46:46.380 --> 01:46:50.260]  It was given right after man was given dominion agency possession, which is the element of
[01:46:50.260 --> 01:46:51.260]  sovereignty.
[01:46:51.260 --> 01:46:54.540]  Then you go down a little bit further and target says, don't take your inheritance before
[01:46:54.540 --> 01:46:55.540]  it's given to you.
[01:46:55.540 --> 01:46:58.460]  So a lot further along the line, you find out you're not going to get the inheritance
[01:46:58.460 --> 01:47:00.300]  until after this lifetime.
[01:47:00.300 --> 01:47:06.360]  So basically it says, don't take ownership of the things of this world.
[01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:07.780]  We weren't given ownership.
[01:47:07.780 --> 01:47:08.780]  We were given stewardship.
[01:47:08.780 --> 01:47:10.780]  We're supposed to operate through stewardship.
[01:47:10.780 --> 01:47:16.420]  Now, if you take the stewardship and you learn how to do what John D Rockefeller did with
[01:47:16.420 --> 01:47:21.220]  property and do what the scripture shows do with property, do what Abraham did with property,
[01:47:21.220 --> 01:47:22.220]  what Isaac did.
[01:47:22.220 --> 01:47:26.260]  Once you learn how to do that, then you don't want the property.
[01:47:26.260 --> 01:47:29.660]  See, I don't care who owns that car out in front of my house.
[01:47:29.660 --> 01:47:33.460]  I just care that when I want to go someplace, the car takes me where I want to go.
[01:47:33.460 --> 01:47:34.460]  I don't care who owns it.
[01:47:34.460 --> 01:47:37.700]  I don't care who drives it.
[01:47:37.700 --> 01:47:41.420]  I just care that it's going to go where I want it to go and do what I want it to do.
[01:47:41.420 --> 01:47:45.980]  Now, if I can do that and not have ownership, I'm better off.
[01:47:45.980 --> 01:47:49.820]  So if I sell the property and get rid of the property taxes, cause I know how to do that
[01:47:49.820 --> 01:47:52.180]  and do that wisely, then I'm better off.
[01:47:52.180 --> 01:47:59.060]  Now all I need to learn how to do is how to hold it and own it and to hold it and control
[01:47:59.060 --> 01:48:00.980]  it without owning it.
[01:48:00.980 --> 01:48:02.580]  Now I know how to do that.
[01:48:02.580 --> 01:48:06.260]  How do you stay in your house and not have to move and all these kinds of things and
[01:48:06.260 --> 01:48:07.580]  still sell the property?
[01:48:07.580 --> 01:48:13.060]  Well, I don't own the house that I live in and I don't rent it from anybody, but matter
[01:48:13.060 --> 01:48:15.000]  of fact, they pay me.
[01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:19.380]  So I don't, I don't care who owns what.
[01:48:19.380 --> 01:48:20.380]  I control it.
[01:48:20.380 --> 01:48:21.380]  Your answer is non-responsive.
[01:48:21.380 --> 01:48:22.980]  Okay, listen, maybe that's a topic for another show.
[01:48:22.980 --> 01:48:27.260]  It's a topic for team law beneficiaries and I can't share the details of it with you.
[01:48:27.260 --> 01:48:29.540]  Do I not have to pay taxes?
[01:48:29.540 --> 01:48:30.940]  How do I do that?
[01:48:30.940 --> 01:48:34.780]  I can teach you that if you're a team law beneficiary, I can teach you how to learn
[01:48:34.780 --> 01:48:36.780]  that, but I can't do that whether you've already done that.
[01:48:36.780 --> 01:48:37.780]  Okay, listen.
[01:48:37.780 --> 01:48:38.780]  Okay, then fine.
[01:48:38.780 --> 01:48:39.780]  Then that's the answer to the question.
[01:48:39.780 --> 01:48:40.780]  We need to move.
[01:48:40.780 --> 01:48:41.780]  Thank you very much, everybody.
[01:48:41.780 --> 01:48:42.780]  We need to go on.
[01:48:42.780 --> 01:48:43.780]  Thank you, Gene.
[01:48:43.780 --> 01:48:44.780]  Okay.
[01:48:44.780 --> 01:48:45.780]  All right.
[01:48:45.780 --> 01:48:46.780]  We've got Jeff from Michigan.
[01:48:46.780 --> 01:48:47.780]  Yeah, thanks, Gene.
[01:48:47.780 --> 01:48:48.780]  Okay, Jeff.
[01:48:48.780 --> 01:48:49.780]  What is your question for our guest?
[01:48:49.780 --> 01:48:50.780]  Hey, hi everybody.
[01:48:50.780 --> 01:48:51.780]  Eric.
[01:48:51.780 --> 01:48:55.460]  I was hoping you can guide me to my remedy, my situation here.
[01:48:55.460 --> 01:48:59.100]  What I did is I bought two commercial buildings a while back.
[01:48:59.100 --> 01:49:05.140]  I paid them off, bought them land contract, paid them off, but my person who represents
[01:49:05.140 --> 01:49:09.860]  the trust is stuck in paying the property taxes.
[01:49:09.860 --> 01:49:18.180]  I've got three years behind and I've got until the end of the year to pay 6,500 bucks and
[01:49:18.180 --> 01:49:22.580]  I need to protect my property from being repossessed.
[01:49:22.580 --> 01:49:27.700]  Well, it wouldn't be repossessed, it would be taken for sale at auctions to be able to
[01:49:27.700 --> 01:49:28.700]  pay that tax.
[01:49:28.700 --> 01:49:29.700]  Yeah.
[01:49:29.700 --> 01:49:36.580]  Well, I'm hoping if they do take it, I've got a year to pay off of the entire tax, something
[01:49:36.580 --> 01:49:37.580]  like that.
[01:49:37.580 --> 01:49:41.020]  Yeah, but you'll have to pay 25% more to get it back.
[01:49:41.020 --> 01:49:42.020]  Yeah.
[01:49:42.020 --> 01:49:43.780]  That's the rule.
[01:49:43.780 --> 01:49:44.780]  That's kind of the standard.
[01:49:44.780 --> 01:49:45.780]  Well, I've been...
[01:49:45.780 --> 01:49:46.780]  Yeah.
[01:49:46.780 --> 01:49:49.260]  Toss to the proceedings to hold me accountable.
[01:49:49.260 --> 01:49:56.300]  From what I understand, when I did a security agreement between my person and my real man,
[01:49:56.300 --> 01:50:00.260]  that transferred it, but I don't know if that's going to be recognized or not.
[01:50:00.260 --> 01:50:02.700]  No, they won't recognize that.
[01:50:02.700 --> 01:50:05.500]  No, they refused to record it.
[01:50:05.500 --> 01:50:09.620]  And for me to say that with you, well, when you say they refused to record it, that would
[01:50:09.620 --> 01:50:13.660]  indicate that even more accurately that they wouldn't...
[01:50:13.660 --> 01:50:19.460]  The remedy that you're dealing with there is, there are other remedies to eliminating
[01:50:19.460 --> 01:50:25.520]  property taxes, but usually, once you get to the point where you're in arrears and they're
[01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:32.620]  trying to hold you accountable to that, once you get to that point, you're usually in a
[01:50:32.620 --> 01:50:41.180]  situation where the best thing to do is find some way to pay the bill, even if it's sell
[01:50:41.180 --> 01:50:44.860]  some of the assets or whatever else you might have, so you can get the funds to pay the
[01:50:44.860 --> 01:50:47.760]  bill and then move on from there.
[01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:53.460]  Because while you're under that subjugation, their entire court system is going to be focused
[01:50:53.460 --> 01:50:55.740]  on the collection of that process.
[01:50:55.740 --> 01:51:02.460]  And almost anything that you do in the process will be seen just as simply a tax dodge.
[01:51:02.460 --> 01:51:03.460]  And so they don't...
[01:51:03.460 --> 01:51:07.900]  It's like they turn off their ears and they don't even listen to legal and lawful and
[01:51:07.900 --> 01:51:11.280]  arguments that might otherwise seem wise or legitimate.
[01:51:11.280 --> 01:51:19.340]  So once you're dealing with that arena where it appears to be a tax protest or whatever,
[01:51:19.340 --> 01:51:24.400]  you really run into a gambit of just delaying the inevitable.
[01:51:24.400 --> 01:51:25.900]  You can...
[01:51:25.900 --> 01:51:28.260]  There are things you can do.
[01:51:28.260 --> 01:51:31.780]  One of the things you can do, you can go and watch the elections and see what's going on
[01:51:31.780 --> 01:51:36.260]  in an election process, and they'll go out in their market that, we're going to float
[01:51:36.260 --> 01:51:38.300]  this bond for this purpose.
[01:51:38.300 --> 01:51:40.740]  And then they get the funds from the bond.
[01:51:40.740 --> 01:51:44.540]  And then they don't use the funds for that purpose, they use it for something else.
[01:51:44.540 --> 01:51:45.540]  Happens all the time.
[01:51:45.540 --> 01:51:49.940]  If you can demonstrate that, you just demonstrated their breach of the contract, and as soon
[01:51:49.940 --> 01:51:54.100]  as you demonstrate their breach of the contract, the contract is done.
[01:51:54.100 --> 01:51:58.220]  That's when you go back and make the contest against the contract and you've got something
[01:51:58.220 --> 01:52:00.620]  they can hold in advance.
[01:52:00.620 --> 01:52:05.600]  There are other things you can do and deal with that type of thing, legal remedies, learning
[01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:07.420]  the law and its application.
[01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:12.500]  But predominantly, when you're dealing with preserving a property from property taxes
[01:52:12.500 --> 01:52:17.940]  and or eliminating property taxes, almost anything that you can do is best done when
[01:52:17.940 --> 01:52:22.760]  you don't have the burden of you already didn't pay the bill.
[01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:27.560]  So at that point in time, what I typically consider is wake-up call time.
[01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:31.260]  You learn what you could have done or should have done, and you can do that next time.
[01:52:31.260 --> 01:52:38.620]  Or find some means to sell something or do something to, or even go down and sit down
[01:52:38.620 --> 01:52:42.860]  with them and say, look, we got stuck behind the eight ball.
[01:52:42.860 --> 01:52:47.420]  Can we pay this off over a period and just start staying current and pay this off over
[01:52:47.420 --> 01:52:48.420]  a period?
[01:52:48.420 --> 01:52:49.420]  Can we work out some of the payments?
[01:52:49.420 --> 01:52:51.260]  And they very often do that today.
[01:52:51.260 --> 01:52:55.540]  And that totally matches up with the principles that Randy and Eddie and I talk about all
[01:52:55.540 --> 01:52:59.500]  the time on this show, which is get yourself out of harm's way first.
[01:52:59.500 --> 01:53:00.500]  Exactly.
[01:53:00.500 --> 01:53:06.340]  And then start to implement some of these remedies because it's hard to go after them
[01:53:06.340 --> 01:53:10.340]  when you're also in a defensive posture.
[01:53:10.340 --> 01:53:11.340]  Almost impossible.
[01:53:11.340 --> 01:53:12.340]  Almost impossible.
[01:53:12.340 --> 01:53:13.340]  Not just hard.
[01:53:13.340 --> 01:53:16.260]  It's almost impossible because you're working against the stack deck.
[01:53:16.260 --> 01:53:21.100]  Almost anything you do when you're already in jeopardy comes back at, look at this guy,
[01:53:21.100 --> 01:53:22.100]  he's already in jeopardy.
[01:53:22.100 --> 01:53:24.980]  It's like, you know, you don't, you can't get anywhere with them.
[01:53:24.980 --> 01:53:32.460]  That's why you come back to us when you make action, you present actions before the court
[01:53:32.460 --> 01:53:38.740]  and they say, well, you're just doing this because you're under pressure.
[01:53:38.740 --> 01:53:44.500]  And then the court acts inappropriately and we can show you how to land on the judge like
[01:53:44.500 --> 01:53:45.500]  a ton of bricks.
[01:53:45.500 --> 01:53:46.500]  Okay.
[01:53:46.500 --> 01:53:48.500]  Listen, Jeff, did that answer your question?
[01:53:48.500 --> 01:53:49.500]  Yeah, I guess.
[01:53:49.500 --> 01:53:54.140]  But, uh, one, I just want to clear one thing because, because my trust is going to contract
[01:53:54.140 --> 01:53:58.700]  with this, doing a land patent is really not going to protect me, right?
[01:53:58.700 --> 01:54:03.820]  Well, again, it's, it's, um, when you say do a land patent, you're going to hear terms
[01:54:03.820 --> 01:54:07.780]  in the Patriot community and those that are out there dealing with law and whatnot.
[01:54:07.780 --> 01:54:12.700]  You're going to hear terms like the one that was used early of bringing the law and patent
[01:54:12.700 --> 01:54:15.340]  forward or doing the land patent.
[01:54:15.340 --> 01:54:19.500]  Again, the land patent is the title to the land.
[01:54:19.500 --> 01:54:24.580]  The chain of title from the patent to the present is the color of title that proves
[01:54:24.580 --> 01:54:26.340]  your assignment on the land.
[01:54:26.340 --> 01:54:29.540]  The land patent is simply the title to the land.
[01:54:29.540 --> 01:54:34.980]  So no matter what you do or do not do, that will remain the case.
[01:54:34.980 --> 01:54:40.220]  However, if you don't know what fits between you, where you are and that patent, and it's
[01:54:40.220 --> 01:54:44.100]  a question that hasn't come up and I address it and deals with the land ownership and that
[01:54:44.100 --> 01:54:45.100]  issue.
[01:54:45.100 --> 01:54:48.740]  Let's go, let's say you go back and you do, you go back through the title and you get
[01:54:48.740 --> 01:54:55.700]  back a few owners back and you find a property tax sale, well then what do you know about
[01:54:55.700 --> 01:55:01.200]  the land patent secured rights coming to you?
[01:55:01.200 --> 01:55:02.900]  You don't have any.
[01:55:02.900 --> 01:55:04.060]  Why?
[01:55:04.060 --> 01:55:05.060]  Because of the tax sale.
[01:55:05.060 --> 01:55:10.620]  The tax sale conveyed the property, but not the land.
[01:55:10.620 --> 01:55:11.620]  Exactly.
[01:55:11.620 --> 01:55:16.420]  You have to go back to the chain of title to somebody that holds title prior to the
[01:55:16.420 --> 01:55:17.860]  sale.
[01:55:17.860 --> 01:55:23.540]  You find that person, you let them know what your situation is and you get them to grant
[01:55:23.540 --> 01:55:26.300]  you title to the land.
[01:55:26.300 --> 01:55:30.820]  You get them to give you a quitclaim deed and they do it all the time.
[01:55:30.820 --> 01:55:33.700]  Offer them 25 bucks, offer them $100.
[01:55:33.700 --> 01:55:37.020]  All they got to do is sign a quitclaim deed, it doesn't change anything for them, but it
[01:55:37.020 --> 01:55:39.060]  gives you the right to the land.
[01:55:39.060 --> 01:55:41.840]  And now you got the land and the property again.
[01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:46.180]  I've got my clear abstract all certified all the way back to the 50s as far as the computer
[01:55:46.180 --> 01:55:48.540]  goes and the rest is in the books.
[01:55:48.540 --> 01:55:55.300]  And I've got my land patent, certified copies, and the only thing I'm missing is the finish
[01:55:55.300 --> 01:55:58.380]  of the abstract and the acceptance letter.
[01:55:58.380 --> 01:55:59.980]  And again what I would do...
[01:55:59.980 --> 01:56:04.360]  Okay, listen, we got two and a half minutes.
[01:56:04.360 --> 01:56:09.100]  What I would do is I would get the actual documents, I wouldn't stop in the 1950s and
[01:56:09.100 --> 01:56:13.380]  say it's all in the books because it's all in the books is a good way of losing your
[01:56:13.380 --> 01:56:14.380]  land.
[01:56:14.380 --> 01:56:16.700]  We've seen it all too many times.
[01:56:16.700 --> 01:56:19.100]  The bottom line is you need all of the title.
[01:56:19.100 --> 01:56:23.660]  You need the title, you need perfect title, you need the title and all of the documents.
[01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:28.140]  Abstract, the certified abstract is okay, it'll hold up in court, but it's not good
[01:56:28.140 --> 01:56:29.140]  enough for me.
[01:56:29.140 --> 01:56:30.140]  I want the actual document.
[01:56:30.140 --> 01:56:33.060]  Okay, listen, we got less than two minutes.
[01:56:33.060 --> 01:56:34.300]  Jeff, you're welcome to stand alone.
[01:56:34.300 --> 01:56:38.020]  I want to bring Mark from Wisconsin up because he's one of our affiliates broadcasting us
[01:56:38.020 --> 01:56:39.020]  in Madison.
[01:56:39.020 --> 01:56:40.020]  Mark, thanks.
[01:56:40.020 --> 01:56:41.020]  Thanks, Mark.
[01:56:41.020 --> 01:56:44.100]  What's on your mind?
[01:56:44.100 --> 01:56:45.100]  You're welcome.
[01:56:45.100 --> 01:56:47.060]  Gene in Wisconsin is fighting these taxes.
[01:56:47.060 --> 01:56:49.060]  He's in the trenches doing that right now.
[01:56:49.060 --> 01:56:53.460]  If he wants to email me at info at survivorseeds.com, that'd be great.
[01:56:53.460 --> 01:56:55.220]  I'd like to find out how he's doing with that.
[01:56:55.220 --> 01:57:01.980]  And I'm wondering how I entered into a perpetual contract for property taxes without any disclosure
[01:57:01.980 --> 01:57:02.980]  whatsoever.
[01:57:02.980 --> 01:57:08.180]  And how does this renew year after year or is there a renewal date?
[01:57:08.180 --> 01:57:10.820]  Am I unknowingly renewing this every year?
[01:57:10.820 --> 01:57:14.380]  Well, Mark, you're saying it's undisclosed, it's not disclosed.
[01:57:14.380 --> 01:57:18.400]  But if you go and read the statute, it is disclosed.
[01:57:18.400 --> 01:57:19.660]  It's clearly disclosed.
[01:57:19.660 --> 01:57:25.140]  If you read the bills that come out that are promoted to the voting populace of what is
[01:57:25.140 --> 01:57:29.620]  going to happen in the mill rate levies and the changes, it's very definitely disclosed.
[01:57:29.620 --> 01:57:34.340]  And then when you go and you acquire the piece of property and the seller says, I'll pay
[01:57:34.340 --> 01:57:37.860]  the property taxes up until the time of the sale and you'll pay the property taxes from
[01:57:37.860 --> 01:57:39.940]  then on, it's definitely disclosed.
[01:57:39.940 --> 01:57:46.060]  Now, the allegation that property taxes are not disclosed is a foolhardy allegation that
[01:57:46.060 --> 01:57:51.260]  will never survive the day in court because it's blatantly disclosed.
[01:57:51.260 --> 01:57:56.260]  And the court, the judge, everybody in the whole process knows it, even if you don't.
[01:57:56.260 --> 01:57:58.020]  It's too compliant and too clear.
[01:57:58.020 --> 01:57:59.020]  It's disclosed.
[01:57:59.020 --> 01:58:01.860]  We're just ignorant of the nature of disclosure.
[01:58:01.860 --> 01:58:02.860]  Exactly.
[01:58:02.860 --> 01:58:05.380]  And all ignorant means is that you don't know something.
[01:58:05.380 --> 01:58:08.540]  We need to fix that.
[01:58:08.540 --> 01:58:09.540]  That's why we're here.
[01:58:09.540 --> 01:58:10.540]  We need to fix that.
[01:58:10.540 --> 01:58:14.540]  Does it make any difference, Eric, if I've rescinded my voter's registration?
[01:58:14.540 --> 01:58:19.340]  Well, again, you don't you don't have to resend the voter registration when you go there and
[01:58:19.340 --> 01:58:20.340]  take it to them.
[01:58:20.340 --> 01:58:21.940]  You say, I don't want to do this anymore.
[01:58:21.940 --> 01:58:22.940]  You can have this back.
[01:58:22.940 --> 01:58:23.940]  Take it back.
[01:58:23.940 --> 01:58:24.940]  They'll take it back.
[01:58:24.940 --> 01:58:27.740]  But that's when you say resend.
[01:58:27.740 --> 01:58:30.440]  That's the proper way when you're dealing with the word resend.
[01:58:30.440 --> 01:58:36.380]  You go to them, you say, I want to resend this relationship and they'll say, OK, and
[01:58:36.380 --> 01:58:37.380]  they'll take it back.
[01:58:37.380 --> 01:58:38.380]  So you have agreement.
[01:58:38.380 --> 01:58:40.780]  Recision always has to go along with agreement.
[01:58:40.780 --> 01:58:41.780]  Yeah.
[01:58:41.780 --> 01:58:42.780]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:58:42.780 --> 01:58:43.780]  Hold on.
[01:58:43.780 --> 01:58:44.780]  Hold on.
[01:58:44.780 --> 01:58:45.780]  I have to.
[01:58:45.780 --> 01:58:46.780]  I have to hold on.
[01:58:46.780 --> 01:58:47.780]  Hold on.
[01:58:47.780 --> 01:58:48.780]  I have to stop everyone here because we're about to go off the air.
[01:58:48.780 --> 01:58:49.780]  We've got two more callers.
[01:58:49.780 --> 01:58:51.780]  Can you stay on with us for a couple more calls?
[01:58:51.780 --> 01:58:52.780]  OK, great.
[01:58:52.780 --> 01:58:53.780]  We'll be right back on the other side.
[01:58:53.780 --> 01:58:54.780]  We can finish his answer.
[01:58:54.780 --> 01:58:55.780]  OK.
[01:58:55.780 --> 01:58:56.780]  Yeah.
[01:58:56.780 --> 01:58:57.780]  Jeff, Nicholas, Mark, Carl stay on the line.
[01:58:57.780 --> 01:59:14.380]  And then we got to get back on course from the man that came all the way to be where
[01:59:14.380 --> 01:59:17.340]  I don't have to work so hard to be free.
[01:59:17.340 --> 01:59:21.940]  Some guys are trying to rewrite history, but they got caught.
[01:59:21.940 --> 01:59:46.900]  Some guys got the bleep, looks like justice, looks like justice, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[01:59:46.900 --> 01:59:56.820]  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.